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B
Counselors
smith,
flaherty
and
sims,
I
think
I
also
saw
council
member
volun
and
on
as
well.
B
Thank
you
for
considering
this
occupancy
affidavit
tonight.
Just
briefly,
you
you
all.
B
Probably
saw
the
q
a
that
was
sent
out
or
that
was
sent
to
you
over
email
last
night
that.
B
B
But
just
briefly
this,
this
affidavit
proposal
is
modeled
after
the
city
of
west
lafayette,
who.
B
Has
an
affidavit
for
occupancy
as
a
way
to
track
occupancy
as
an
attestation
of
of
occupancy.
B
Rental
units
or
less,
which
would
also
that,
would
scoop
in
single-family
rental
properties
as.
B
Well,
so
we
think
this
is
a
good
step
sort
of
a.
We
don't
want
it
to
be
own,
but
we
do
think.
B
It's
it's
important
that
we
have
an
annual
attestation
of
occupancy
in
the
iteration
of.
B
Affidavit
along
with
the
q
a
and
I
want
to
thank
daniel
dixon
from
legal
and
brent
pierce,.
B
Who
who's
our
assistant
director
for
taking
the
lead
on
this?
At
the
beginning,
and
I
came
in
as.
B
You
know
just
a
couple
months
ago,
so
I
want
to
thank
them
for
their
their
front
work
on
this.
I'm.
C
In
place
for
a
while
any
insights
on
how
their
program's
gone,
that
that.
C
Help
us
to
anticipate
any
any
challenges
or
hurdles
and
and
how
we
might
overcome
those.
C
Make
sure
that
we've
thought
through
all
the
potential
pitfalls
and
and
imagine.
C
B
At
the
end
of
my
comment
defer
to
mr
dixon
and
mr
pierce
to
see
what
what
they
learned
on
the.
B
Submitted
to
hand-
and
there
would
only
be
changes
necessary,
you'd-
have
to
resubmit
the
affidavit.
B
If
there
were
changes
in
occupancy
therein,
so
otherwise
you
would
have
just
sort
of
a
simple.
B
Sort
of
step
like
a
box
check
if
there
were
no
updates
to
make
sure
that
it
was
done
annually
so.
B
We
want
to
make
this
efficient
and
the
way
this
works
on
the
ground
is,
as
many
of
you
know,.
B
B
Soon
to
they
have
been
on
our
under-occupied
for
a
long
time,
and
there
was
concern
that
there.
B
B
B
B
B
The
affidavit
could
do
and
how
that
might
work
on
the
ground,
councilmember
flaherty.
So
mr
dixon.
B
Or
pierce,
if
you
want
to
say
anything
about
west
lafayette,
specifically
hi,
this
is
dana
dixon.
D
With
the
legal
department,
I
this
actually
work
on
this
even
began
before
my
time
with
the.
D
City
as
well,
I
do
know
that,
in
conversations
with
wheeler
from
the
legal
department.
D
D
Suited
to
sort
of
unique
situation
in
bloomington
that
that
is
a
little
bit
different
from.
D
E
E
Law,
I
just
wanted
to
reach
out
to
him
to
see
what
they
weren't,
anticipating
changing
once.
E
It
became
law
and
we
did
discuss
the
occupancy
affidavit,
albeit
not
at
great
length,
but.
E
From
what
I
was
able
to
gather
from
him,
he
you
know,
I
didn't
get
any
impression
from
him
that.
E
They
were
having
issues
with
its
implementation
or
its
management,
and
he
just
generally
thought.
E
Of
it
as
a
good
tool,
especially
you
know,
obviously
bloomington
west
lafayette,
heavy
rentals.
E
Loss
of
student
population,
lots
of
concern
or
potential
for
over
occupancy
from
what
I.
F
Yes,
I
am
curious,
why
it
it's
not!
The
affidavit
would
not
be
required
annually.
F
If
there's
no
change
in
tenancy,
it
seems
like
it's.
Even
if
there's
no
change
in
tenants,
it's.
F
In
here,
because
they're
not
on
the
lease
that
kind
of
thing,
can
you
explain
why
you
decided
to
not.
F
B
And
I
want
to
make
sure
I
wasn't
I
didn't
mistake
anything.
Would
you
require
an
annual.
D
F
Know
what
my
colleagues
think,
but
that's
something
that
I'll
think
about.
Thank
you.
G
Another
question:
council
member.
Thank
you
I'm
having
just
a
little
bit
trouble
with
this.
H
Affidavit,
how
is
this
related
to
the
rental
registration
with
the
city?
Is
that
part.
H
B
B
H
B
B
The
documentation
we
have
in
our
system
here
is
the
occupancy
permit.
It
would
be
in
the.
H
And
if
they
sign
the
affidavit,
the
tenants
and
the
owner,
I'm
sorry
what
more
authority
does.
H
B
Really,
I
think,
councilmember
says
there's
an
issue
and
everyone
on
this
call
has
a
little
more.
B
To
know
unless
you
know
it,
you
know
there
are
incidents
and
neighborhoods
like
the
one.
I.
B
That
it
has
this
number
of
tenants
in
it,
they
have
all
signed
it.
The
landlord's
attested.
B
To
that
attendance
and
attested
to
that,
I
guess
it
provides
more
documentation.
If
I.
B
If
I
understand
your
question
correctly,
and
so
that
allows
then
us
the
ability
to
track.
D
Thank
you
john.
I
would
just
add
one
more
thing:
when
housing
and
neighborhood
development
staff.
D
A
That,
like,
of
course,
allow
more
than
three
adults,
so
I
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
how.
A
A
A
Just
have
a
hard
time
with
that
being
a
reason
for
this
coordinates
sure,
thanks
for
the.
B
Excuse
my
question
council
member,
I
would
say
this
speaks
to
the
mission
at
hand.
B
B
B
Dwelling
unit
for
a
reason
right,
and
so
we
have
that
that
cap,
that
three
unrelated.
B
The
technical
definitions
are
different
of
what
what
includes
a
family
so
but
our
jobs,
the.
B
Mission
of
hand
is,
is
to
make
sure
we
are
keeping
that
housing
safe,
and
so
I
think,
that's
part
of.
B
The
reason
that's
in
there
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
continue
to
state
our
reason
for
why
we.
B
I
think
what
I
would
say
for
why
that
language
is
in
there
and
over
occupancy.
A
A
Specific
ordinance
it
to
sort
of
convey
something
that
I'm
not
really
in
agreement
with.
A
I
would
say
that
it
just
seems
like
it's
saying,
like
rent
renters,
you
know
more
more
renters.
A
A
A
When
you're
saying
a
data-driven
process,
like
really
kind
of
try
to
crack
down
on
over-occupancy.
B
Sure-
and
I
I
I
don't
want
to
creep
into,
not
being
a
member
of
this
body-
I
don't
want
to.
B
B
Said
we're
not
trying
to
generalize
renters
at
all,
but
the
city
has
determined
that
you.
B
In
a
unit
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
and
so
that's
that's
the
goal
I'll
leave
it
there
and
let.
A
B
A
Member
flaherty,
I
think
I
saw
your
hand
yes
thanks.
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
enforcement
and
or.
C
Spoke
to
this
already,
but
in
particular
it
sounded
like
planning
a
transportation
if.
C
Over
a
suspected
over
occupancy
was
was
reported
in
some
way.
Let's
say
the
au
report.
C
It
sounds
like
planning
and
transportation
has
the
ability
and
their
course
of
action
would
be
to.
D
Staff
to
really
drive
down
deeper
into
that
if
you'd
like,
but
what
we
were
told
is
that.
D
One
of
the
first
steps
would
be
to
request
the
lease
agreements
and
then
would
be
to
compare
that.
D
With
the
the
occupancy
affidavit,
that's
collected
by
hand.
C
Know
a
living
situation
in
practice
reflects
four
or
five
people
in
in
what
is
a
lot
of
for.
C
Three
occupants,
but
if
the
lease
and
affidavit
both
say
three,
it's
three
people
are
there.
C
Additional
steps
that
the
city
you
know
via
planning
and
transportation
enforcement
takes.
C
To
explore
those
situations,
I
don't
know
how
common
this
is.
There's
sort
of
a
lot
said
about.
C
C
C
Of
magnitude,
including,
like
you
know,
bad
faith
actors,
essentially
and
and
how
much
of
a.
C
C
If,
if
that
doesn't
get
us
where
we
want
in
terms
of
saying
clair,
if
there's
still
a
suspected.
C
Over
occupancy
at
the
affidavit
and
elise,
both
say
it's
three
people,
these
are
the
three.
Is
there.
C
Anything
else
that
planning
transportation
does
at
that
point,
or
is
that
kind
of
the
end
of
it.
B
B
B
Increase
the
ability
to
track
that
problem.
I
I
think
the
you
know
once
if
a
complaint
came
in.
B
The
lease
sign
notarization
the
affidavit
and
read
the
process
here.
B
And
make
sure
it
meets
the
occupancy
limits
if
it
doesn't,
you
know
that
that's
one
matter.
B
Alleged
situation,
if
it's
not
corrected
in
the
60
days,
they
don't
pass
the
hand,
inspection.
B
B
C
A
Thank
you.
So
I'm
sorry,
I'm
still,
I'm
still
stuck
on
this
issue
of
not
having
to.
F
File
the
affidavit,
if
there's
not
a
change
in
tenants,
is
this:
how
west
lafayette.
F
Wrote
up
the
law
in
their
ordinance.
Do
you
know?
I
believe
the
affidavit
is
strongly
modeled
after.
B
E
E
There
is
not
a
change
in
the
exact
tenants,
then
they
don't
have
to.
You
know,
sign
off.
E
On
it
becomes
a
landlord,
a
landlord-only
deal
right,
so
they're
being
noticed
every
year
of
the.
E
Over
occupancy
affidavit
requirements,
it's
just
in
the
event
the
tenants
do
not
change
the
tenants.
E
F
F
F
Name
to
that,
so
that's
that's!
Why
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
be
a
stronger
ordinance
if.
F
E
And
and
daniel
dixon
was
there
any
legal
reason
why
we
weren't
or
we
aren't,
including
that.
E
E
Kinds
of
violations-
I'm
just
curious
if
we
were
to
and
and
to
echo
director
zodi
yeah,
I.
E
I
would
imagine
that
daniel
dixon,
if
it
if
that
language,
was
to
be
added
and.
F
H
Get
a
complaint,
this
apartment
or
this
building
is
over
occupied.
H
H
Complaint
in
the
first
place
for
us
to
address
it,
it
seems
like
we
need
to
know
or
verify.
There's.
H
H
B
Sure,
if
I
so
the
complaints
would
come
in
and
you
know
we
don't
expect
our
residents
to
know.
B
B
B
You
know
someone
documenting
very
heavily
that
I
I
I
saw
you
know
furniture
being
moved.
B
Would
have
so
those
complaints
would
come
in
when
we
back
up
through
your
report
or
during.
B
B
Call
the
due
diligence.
So
it's
not
to
say
that
any
in
any
way,
the
way
something
would
come
in
in.
B
My
experience
just
in
government,
daniel
lebron
or
anyone
else
may
have
may
have
other
thoughts.
E
E
You
know
there's
maybe
north
of
12
15
per
year,
where
inspectors
will
just
happen
upon
evidence.
E
Of
a
of
over
occupancy-
and
so
you
know
that's
one
way
and
as
directors
already
mentioned,
you.
E
E
E
Think
the
city's
in
the
in
a
position
to
be
put
on
defense
because
a
landlord
said
they
don't.
E
Have
adequate
notice
or
they
didn't
know?
This
was
a
thing.
So
I
think
if
there
are
suggestions
for.
E
My
understanding
of
how
things
come
to
the
city
regarding
over
occupancy.
B
I
would
say
also
to
kind
of
close
that
loop,
because
the
board
zoning
appeals
is
the
final.
H
H
Documentation
or
something
like
that,
it's
just
is
it
does
that
make
sense
I
mean
before,
and
I.
H
I
B
B
B
B
B
There
was
something
documented
someone
have
the
the
original
person
issuing
the
concern
or.
B
In
this
department,
in
my
experience,
okay,
thank
you,
and
that
was
just
an
example
and
I'm.
H
Not
insinuating
or
saying
that
any
such
thing
happens,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out.
H
H
What
that
is
so
I'd
like
to
hear
just
more
about
that
a
little
later,
and
maybe
what
you've.
H
H
Oh
as
the
chair
do
I
have
one
more
sure.
Okay,
sorry,
mr
zodie
I'll
switch
just
a
little
bit.
H
B
In
case
of
a
emergency
situation
where
a
fire
broke
out-
and
there
were
more
people
in.
B
B
B
B
For
egress,
that's
that's
two
more
people
that
need
to
get
out
of
that
smaller
room
and
that.
B
B
Increased
vehicle
traffic
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
Could
you
know
if
they're,
if.
B
Could
could
could
allude
to
possible
endangerment
if,
if
a
unit
is
over-occupied?
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Thanks
I'll
ask,
I
have
a
really
quick
question
section,
one
b
when
it
says
on
the
affidavit.
A
B
Well,
I
I
think
I
would
say
we
discuss
this
issue
a
lot
on
kind
of
what
the
threshold
should.
B
Regulate
so
to
speak
in
in
most
cases,
and
so
we
had
to
determine
a
threshold
and
the
four.
B
Units
or
less
per
building,
which
also,
of
course,
would
include
single-family
homes.
That
is.
B
The
threshold
to
receive
city
services,
recycling
trash
yard,
waste,
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so.
B
We
thought
that
was
a
good
threshold.
Right
now
certainly
could
could
change.
B
At
the
discretion
of
of
the
council,
but
it
was
also
pointed
out
to
me
that
there
are
a
number
of.
B
Property
owners
who
own
multiple
single
family
units
so
that
it's
not
necessarily
targeting.
B
Number
of
units,
so
that's
our
rationale
for
why
we
we
went
here
with
the
threshold
at.
B
B
And
we
determined
that,
based
on
that
threshold
of
city
services,
soon
to
be
a
good
place
to
start.
B
B
B
B
Offline,
but
I
think
there
is
heightened
awareness
and
so
complaints
or
communication
or.
A
A
A
A
A
Of
what's
going
on,
but
I'm
still
like
that
warehouse
clause
is
just
rubbing
me
the
wrong
way.
B
A
Over
time,
I
also
understand
it's
like
an
administrative
heavy
lift
to
start
this
project.
A
B
Priority
a
complaint,
a
concern
may
come
in
like
the
one
did
this
morning.
There
wasn't
a.
B
B
A
I
appreciate
that
I
can
appreciate
that.
I
want
to
see
if
other
council
members
have.
F
Sorry,
my
cat
just
yanked
my
earpiece
away,
so
I
am
just
still
trying
to.
F
Understand
the
process
of
what
happens
so,
if
there's
a
complaint
and
of
over
occupancy.
F
Part
does
planning
transportation
deal
with
sure.
So
let
me
and
forgive
me
council
member,
I
am.
B
Concern
a
call
to
concern
comes
in
through
your
report
comes
into
hand
a
call
through
your
report.
B
B
To
hand
okay,
if
the
affidavit
was
in
place,
those
affidavits
would
theoretically
be
on.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Where
they
would
start
the
process
of
of
doing
also
the
additional
verification
that's
needed.
B
B
B
Issued
to
the
property
owner
under
title
20,
so
at
that
point
again
it
shifts
from
title
16.
B
B
B
Okay,
these
you
know
x,
y
and
z,
is
working
and
related
to
the
number
of
occupants.
Here's
what.
B
Should
be
working
and
all
of
those
things
if
those
things
are
not
done
if
it's
not
corrected.
B
Those
are
those
are
incremental,
as
you
know,
with
any
other
fine
with
the
city
or
a
lot
of
other.
B
B
Penalty,
I
guess,
is
to
have
your
your
occupancy
permit
revoked
because
you're
not.
B
B
Daniel
did
I
leave
anything
out
there
or
brent
hi,
john
yeah
I'll.
I
wanted
to
add
a
couple.
D
Of
things
to
that,
just
on
on
the
scope
of
documentation
going
back
to
when
a
a
hand.
D
The
hand
cycle
inspection
report,
which
is
then
provided
to
the
property
manager
or
landlord
along.
D
Title
16
as
well,
so
does
the
hand
inspector
go
out,
even
if
this
was
initiated
through
your.
B
Would
depend
usually,
for
you
know,
a
complaint
that
comes
in
for
overgrowth
or
something
they
can.
B
B
B
A
A
A
Meeting
further,
we
can
I'm
okay
doing
like
comment
questions
right
now
from
council
members.
G
H
And
thank
you
all
for
presenting,
but
I
do
plan
to
support
this
legislation.
Thank
you.
G
Yes,
mr
zodi,
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
hit
the
reaction
button
faster
council
member
sims.
Just
so
we
can.
B
Know
for
follow-up,
you
wanted
to
talk
more
through
the
due
diligence
process
on
a
complaint
coming.
H
Talked
about
different
forms
of
documentation,
the
word
evidence
was
introduced
and
I.
H
F
Or
something
like
that,
because
it
just
didn't
didn't
ring
true
and-
and
I
also
agree
with.
F
Councilmember
rosenberger
that
similar
dangers
could
result
in
other
situations
where
the
city.
F
I
understand
that
health
and
safety
are
paramount,
but
it
seems
to
imply
that
you
know
whenever.
F
There's
four:
instead
of
three
unrelated
adults,
then
danger
danger,
which
may
be
an
exaggeration.
F
So
anyway,
I'm
interested
in
looking
at
that
as
well.
Thank
you,
councilmember
flaherty.
C
Sure,
thanks
and
thanks
again
to
staff
for
the
presentation
tonight,
I'm
happy
to
vote
on.
C
And
do
pass
recommendation
this
evening
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
legislation
and
appreciate.
C
In
in
how
we
follow
city
code,
but
I
too
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
the
language.
C
C
You
know
trying
not
to
have
more
than
three
unrelated
adults
in
a
in,
in
most
cases,
a.
C
Number
of
years
about
a
sort
of
perceived
lack
of
desirability
of
having
four
or
more
unrelated.
C
C
And
policies
like
this
one,
the
one
we
have
in
place
about
300
related
adults,
can.
C
C
Population,
it
can
increase
housing
costs
for
them
as
well.
It's
it's
interesting
because.
C
C
C
Not
having
more
than
that
in
in
a
house,
no
matter
how
many
bedrooms
there
are.
C
To
allow
more
people
to
live
in
bedrooms
where
people
are
made
to
live,
so
I
think
when
we
start.
C
C
Than
bedrooms,
which
also
isn't
allowed
well,
I'm
actually
not
quite
sure
about
that.
Now
that.
C
I
say
it
because
people
multiple
people
can
stay
in
a
bedroom,
especially
partnered.
A
couple.
C
C
C
That
but
I
think
we
should
be
very
clear
that
this
ordinance
is
to
help
enforce
that.
C
Because
that
is
something
different,
which
is
about
number
of
bedrooms
and
occupancy.
C
Of
those
bedrooms,
so
I
I'd
be
interested
in
amendment
frankly
to
strike
the
second,
whereas.
C
Buzz
or
or
modify
it
in
some
way
to
be
more
clear
about
that,
because
I
think
it's
a
it's.
C
Types
of
residents
in
our
community
has
very
real
implications
in
in
how
we
think
about.
C
Greater
housing
policy-
and
I
think,
we've
seen
that
recently,
so
that's
it
from
me.
Thank
you.
A
My
questions
and
comments
earlier
I
I
mean
I
agree
that
for
me
this
is
a
good
step
forward
in.
A
A
Okay,
council,
member
flaherty,
I
move
the
committee
recommend
we
do
pass
ordinance
21-30.
H
A
Four:
zero,
zero
and
that
concludes
our
business
for
the
evening.
Thank
you
very
much
staff
and.