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A
Wednesday
may
26
2021
to
order
for
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll,
yes
council,
member
volun.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
During
the
agenda
summation,
we
will
have
approval
of
minutes.
This.
A
Evening
for
april
15th
april,
22nd
and
april
29th
of
2020
do
believe
with
corrections
for
april.
A
A
C
Sorry
about
that,
yes,
councilmember
rosenberger.
B
A
E
E
Apply
to
a
council
member's
participation
in
in
meetings
by
any
electronic
means
of
communication.
E
E
That
that
apply
one
set
when
there
is
a
declared
emergency,
as
is
currently
the
case.
E
Council,
so
the
public
would
not
be
able
to
or
entitled
to
attend
any
executive
sessions.
E
Over
the
past
year,
so
while
we
are
now
under
this
new
statutory
scheme,.
E
E
Here
shortly
essentially
track
the
minimum
requirements
that
state
statute
now
now
includes.
E
E
Again,
this
would
apply
when
we
are
not
under
a
declared
emergency
would
require,
or
would
say.
E
E
E
E
E
A
member
attending
electronically
and
again
this
would
be
when
we
are
not
under.
E
A
a
public
health
emergency
can
be
counted
for
purposes
of
quorum,
but
in
order
to
participate
in.
E
E
To
be
taken
by
roll
call
vote
and
just
a
quick
note
in
the
event
of
a
technology
failure.
E
E
Any
quorum
and
voting
requirements.
So
if
a
member
drops
off
as
long
as
there's
a
quorum.
E
E
Rule
regarding
participation
in
more
than
two
meetings
in
a
row.
I
know
when
this
resolution.
E
That
restriction
applied
to
council
meetings,
council
committee
meetings
or
some
combination
of.
E
The
two
that
restriction
would
apply
to
each
governing
body
individually,
so
participating
in.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Policy
just
as
a
point
of
information,
I
know
that
the
county
commissioners
have.
E
E
And
rick
dietz
is
here
tonight
to
speak
to
the
several
upgrades.
E
E
Look
like
and
what
safety
protocols
might
be
in
place.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
E
Seating
by
providing
overflow
seating
in
the
hallways
in
the
balcony
for
members
of.
E
Public
to
make
make
use
of
that
option
and
and
attend
meetings
in
that
manner.
So.
E
With
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
I
do
see
rick
dietz
here
on
the
meeting
and
he
may
may.
E
Council
chambers,
so
with
that
all
I'll
stop
talking
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
The
presentation
I
see,
mr
dicks
as
president,
I
was
wondering
if
you
want
to
speak
on
some
of
the.
G
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
president.
I'm
happy
to
chat
a
little
bit
about
what
we
have
done.
G
Since
the
beginning
of
the
of
the
pandemic,
we
we
knew
that
there
would
be
a
time
when.
G
Late
well,
last
year,
in
the
fall
we
worked
with
our
contractor
and
for
our
audio
visual
system
and.
G
G
Together
the
the
digital,
the
online
remote
meetings
plus
live
is
making
sure
that
the
audio.
G
Doesn't
produce
produce
unnecessary
or
you
know,
feedback
that
would
disrupt
disrupt
the
meeting.
G
In
addition
to
that
that
dry
run
late
last
year,
we're
also.
G
Working
now
to
set
up
another
test
just
to
ensure
that
the
the
guidelines.
G
G
Using
that
space
ensure
that
everything
is
configured
as
transparently
as
possible,.
G
To
ensure
that
they
will
also
be
able
to
use
that
facility
effectively
for
for
remote
meetings.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
very
much
now
we'll
move
to
council
for
any
council
questions.
A
Council
member
bowling,
thank
you.
Mr
president,
thanks
for
the
presentation
one
question
I
have.
B
Is
if
let's
say
that
there
is
a
meeting
where
the
minimum
number
of
of
members
are.
B
Somebody
who
is
attending
virtually
must
come
in
personally
to
for
the
meeting
to
continue.
E
On
on
questions
of
interpretation,
so
this
is
certainly
something
we
could
look.
G
Have
something
that
would
both
integrate
with
and
and
work
in,
the
physical
environment
and
also.
G
Work
transparently,
online
to
date,
we
haven't
been
able
to
identify
what
that
kind
of
solution.
G
Would
be,
but
we
do
anticipate
being
able
to
feel
something
physically.
You
know
on
site.
G
You
know
as
a
as
a
physical,
a
physical
indicator.
You
know
similar
to.
G
A
panel
across
the
the
desk,
with
wood
lights
and
and
and
indicators.
G
You
know
similar
to
to
products
that
that
we've
looked
at
before.
A
F
F
Products
like
what,
in
terms
of
I
think
to
council
member
volunteering,
timers
are.
F
G
So
there's
a
a
number
of
services,
some
of
which
you've
or
at
least
council
member
volun.
G
Has
explored
that
are
online
timers.
G
But
our
research
hasn't
found
anything
that
will
fuse
that
kind
of
online
display
with
within.
G
Know
that
you
know
that
can
be
manipulated
inside
of
the
you
know.
The
council
chambers.
G
For
someone
out
there
an
entrepreneur
to
try
to
to
do
this,
but
we
we
haven't,
haven't
found.
G
A
solution
that
would
work
transparently
in
all
of
these
different
media,
but
if
anyone
on
the.
G
G
Know
we
would
love
to
talk
with
you
about
it.
Okay,
that
being
said,
we
are
able
and
are
planning
to.
G
G
G
Status
as
well
as
numerical
countdowns
that
would
be
visible
to
individuals
who
are.
G
Speaking
physically
speaking
and
facing
the
the
council-
and
we
can-
we
can
have
that
in
chambers.
G
That
the
council
has,
as
we
can
in
the
in
the
device
that
we
ultimately
end
up,
selecting
okay,.
F
D
It's
just
a
brief
one.
Mr
lucas,
you
mentioned
that
each
unique
governing
body
would
have.
D
Its
own
sort
of
two
meeting
set
maximum
for
for
meetings.
I
assume
that
would
apply
to
committee
of.
D
The
whole
as
well,
if
the
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
is
a
stand-alone
meeting
as
in
let's
say.
D
D
Committee
of
the
whole,
in
another
regular
session,
participating
all
three
of
those
meetings.
D
Electronically
would
be
permissible
within
this
resolution
or
no,
I
I
don't
believe
so,.
E
I
don't
know
that
the
statute
distinguishes
between
types
of
meetings
that
that
we
hold
a.
E
Work
session
of
the
council
as
a
meeting
under
the
the
definition
of
of
meeting
in
the
open
door.
E
Law
statute
count
committee
of
the
whole
is
is
a
meeting
of
the
council,
even
though
we.
E
Would
mean
that,
regardless
of
the
type
of
meeting
it's
it's
two
two
meetings.
D
Thank
you.
I
I
actually
do
think
of
community
of
the
whole
as
as
technically
separate.
D
Even
though
it
looks
a
whole
lot
like
the
whole
council,
that's
an
interesting.
E
E
Cities
are
are
asking
similar
questions
and
again
I'll,
be
interested
to
see
what
guidance.
E
The
state
provides,
I
will
say
in
addition
to
the
public
access.
Counselor
aim
has
been.
E
Issuing
guidance
on
this
and
this
this
resolution,
in
addition
to
mirroring
both
the
the.
E
Statute
aligns
with
a
recommended
resolution
that
aim
has
published
so.
E
E
E
E
A
You
very
much
council
member
piedmont,
smith.
Yes,
I
have
a
question
for
mr
dietz.
H
A
hybrid
meeting,
where
there's
at
least
five
council
members
in
person,
those
participating.
G
Council
chambers,
but
there's
one
that's
getting
the
the
camera
feed
from
from
cats
for
for
a.
G
G
And
then
individuals
that
were
attending
in
person
would
just
do
so
in
person
and
then.
A
This
to
mr
lucas
and
maybe
clerk
bowden
would
care
to
speak
on
this.
I
was
thinking
about.
A
With
managing
hybrid
meetings,
can
you
speak
on
that
or
anything
you
may
anticipate.
A
Understanding
where
this
isn't
or
this
will
be
fluid
for
a
while
the
process.
Thank
you.
E
E
Additional
test
runs
in
the
very
near
future
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
ready
to
go,
but.
E
E
Will
be
able
to
handle
both
the
in-person
responsibilities
of
of
staffing,
the
meeting.
E
Require
two
staff
members
and
certainly
for
the
initial
hybrid
meetings,
we'll
we'll
plan
to.
E
Have
multiple
staff
members
there
if
it
becomes
apparent
that
one
one
individual
can
manage.
E
Both
the
zoom
component
and
in-person
requirements
will
proceed
that
way,
but
we
we
just
don't.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
sure
we'll
be
monitoring
that
clerk
bowdoin
would.
A
You
care
to
respond
impacts
on
your
staff
peninsula.
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
that.
I
I
I
don't
know
I
haven't.
You
know
spoken
to
any
council
members
really
about
this
and.
I
I
Yeah,
I
know
no
one
else
to
speak
on
it.
I've
talked
a
little
bit
with
the
clerk
and
mr
lucas.
A
About
that
so
good
point,
mr
lucas,
do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that
at
all?
I
certainly
have.
E
And
if
there's
a
suggested
approach,
we
could
certainly
amend
the
policy
to
include
it.
E
One
of
the
the
possible
additional
limitations
that
the
statute
itself
suggests.
E
J
So,
mr
lucas,
what
does
it
imply
in
this?
In
the
state
statute?.
E
It
doesn't
really
explicitly
get
get
into
that.
I
I
think
my
read
of
of
the
statute
is
that
a.
E
In
two
meetings
in
a
row,
the
member
would
not
be
authorized
or
unable
to
participate.
E
Electronically,
in
that
third
meeting
so
for
purposes
of
quorum,
the
member
wouldn't
wouldn't.
E
Be
counted
as
present
any
votes
wouldn't
wouldn't
include
that
member's
you
know,
votes.
E
Essentially,
you
would
not
be
able
to
participate
in
the
meeting.
I
I
think
is
okay
answer.
A
Councilmember
smith,
moving
to
the
second
round
council
members
canvaleri,
yes,
thank
you.
I.
F
F
F
F
E
E
That
may
be
something
we'd
want
to
nail
down
in
the
very
near
future,
but
the
passage
or
the.
E
Statute
references,
the
executive
of
a
political
subdivision,
so,
okay,
so
but
my
essential.
F
A
B
Yes,
this
question
is
from
mr
dietz
in
january
2020
as
president,
I
spoke
with
you
about.
B
B
Desk
is
where
mr
lucas
and
ms
bolden
sit.
The
members
sit
at
the
desk
on
the
other
side
of
the.
B
B
Room,
and
that
would
also
be
a
place
where
they
might
be
able
to
control
something
like
a
timer.
B
It's
a
seven
dollar
app
and
I
used
it
many
times
when
meetings
needed
to
be
timed.
B
Ios
or
android
apps
or
is
there,
will
there
be
a
tablet
that
will
allow
that
to
happen.
G
I
I
don't
believe
that
unit
will
will
support
that,
but
that's
something
that
we'll
look
into.
G
It's
a
a
specialized
interface
designed
for
use
within
within
the
the
overall
audio
visual.
G
System
that
we
have,
I
don't
believe
it
would
support
escaping
from
that
to
go
to
a.
G
Web
interface,
but
we
will
take
a
look
at
that
tomorrow
and
get
back
with
you
on
it.
Thank
you.
G
Yes,
I
believe
so
I'll
need
to
confer
with
the
the
facility
staff
just
to
make
sure
that
that
is.
G
Fully
operational
but
likewise
I'll
make
sure
that
that
that
information
gets
back
to
you.
B
G
We'll
need
to
explore
that
that
scenario
I
look
forward
to
discussing
it
yeah
you
do
so.
B
A
A
A
We'd
also
ask
if
this
is
the
case
that,
if
you
have
more
than
one
person
on
any
device.
E
E
E
A
Okay,
seeing
none
we'll
return
to
council
for
final
comments
on
resolution,
21-17.
H
May
I
ask
a
follow-up
question?
Yes,
please,
why
is
this
a
resolution
and
not
an
ordinance.
E
Any
less
enforceable
or
any
less
binding
than
than
something
that
would
have
done
by
ordinance.
E
You
didn't
ask
this,
but
I'll
I'll
offer
it
up
as
far
as
enforcement.
Certainly
there
are.
E
Mechanisms
for
for
the
council
to
direct
its
own
staff,
and
so
if,
if
council
staff
was
not.
E
To
amend
the
policy,
so
we
are
certainly
planning
on
hybrid
meetings
in
the
very
near
future.
B
Thank
you,
mr
president,
respecting
the
question
I
asked
at
first
about.
B
How
or
the
question
that
was
asked
about
how
we
would
decide
who,
if
we
have
a
majority.
B
B
B
B
You
know
the
fact
that
meetings
were
going
to
be
hybrid
from
now
on
has
not
precluded
a
solution.
B
B
We
could
accomplish
this
again
with
an
ipad
in
the
chamber
and
a
television
screen
mounted
on.
B
B
B
Would
be
visible
on
cats
that
same
screen
could
be
given
the
treatment
of
a
member
of
council
and.
B
The
in
zoom
so
that
people
watching
at
home
can
see
in
a
separate
screen
with
the
name
speaker.
B
B
Manage
or
experiment
with
such
technologies,
while
also
being
a
full
member
of
council
and.
B
When
we
can't
provide
a
consistent
and
our
and
not
arbitrary,
you
know
respectful
way
of
showing.
B
That
how
much
time
they
have
left,
I
think
the
meetings
we
had
over
the
past
few
weeks
over.
B
The
udo
were
an
extraordinary
example
of
why
we
need
a
timer
solution.
We've
needed
one
yesterday.
B
B
Next
couple
of
days,
because
it's
possible
that
we
may
find
ourselves
meeting
in
person
as
early.
B
As
next
week,
and
I
would
like
to
resolve
this
question
once
and
for
all,
and
I
eagerly.
B
Hope
that
its
will
cooperate
with
council
on
this
most
important
task.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned.
B
F
Yes,
thank
you.
I
I
I
think
this
is
quite
a
paraphrase
for
you,
council,
member
volun,
but.
F
Right
now,
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
me
at
least
even
with
my
relative
lack
of
technical.
F
Knowledge
if
there
are
specific
barriers,
I
would
like
to
know
what
they
are.
In
other
words,
if.
F
F
F
J
Thank
you,
president
sims.
I
will
be
supporting
this
resolution
as
well.
J
And
scandaluri
that
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
at
least
a
year
to
get
a
timer.
J
With
alacrity
night,
mr
dates
and
the
id
department,
if,
if
you
can't
find
one
that
cuts.
J
J
A
Councilmember
smith,
comments,
final
comments
from
any
other
council
members.
A
Okay,
seeing
none
I'll
take
a
crack
at
it.
In
my
conversations
with
mr
deeds
and
with
our.
A
Council
staff
with
regard
to
timer
technology,
it
seems
the
issue
has
been
that
we
have.
A
A
In
combining
both
of
those
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
at,
I
I'm.
A
The
question
earlier
or
statement
earlier
about
which
four
may
need
to
participate
or
not.
A
Or
how
would
that
be
decided
and,
as
mr
lucas
stated,
that'll
require
further
discussions,
but.
A
Council
of
staff,
much
more
than
or
beyond
just
president
council
leadership
and
lastly,.
A
A
Word
arbitrary,
I'm
not
quite
sure.
Maybe
if
I
was
doing
it,
I
might
be
six
seconds
late
before
I.
A
Darn
good
job
of
trying
to
manage
that,
based
on
the
situation
we
were
in
and
not
to
minimize.
A
A
B
President,
you
said
a
thing
or
two
that
I
I
thought
deserved
clarifying.
You
know
I
want.
B
Udo
debates,
which
were
very
intense,
but
she
was
doing
what
she
could
with
I
mean
if
you
were.
B
Basically
using
hand
signals,
and
you
know
like
when
I
to
clarify
the
term
that
you
were.
B
Concerned
about
the
arbitrariness,
my
point
is,
and
always
has
been,
that
if
someone
like
me.
B
Is
running
the
timer
you
know,
there's
a
a
case
that
I
could
be
accused
of.
B
Could
be
accused
of
arbitrarily
starting
or
stopping
the
clock
and
that
my
goal
has
always.
B
B
B
Via
zoom
that
they
can
see
that,
there's
this
clock
ticking
and
I
or
anybody
else
who's
calling.
B
A
Thank
you,
council,
member
volume.
For
that
clarification,
I
will
add
that.
A
Myself
and
I
believe,
every
other
council
members
share
and
support
the
concerns
that
you've.
C
C
A
Mr
lucas,
yes,
thank
you
just
a
couple
of
points
here.
One
is
obviously
that.
E
E
E
On
doing,
but
I
know
that
it
was
mentioned
earlier
in
april
that
the
budget
advance
could.
E
Be
rescheduled
so
happy
to
have
any
discussion
on
that
as
as
needed.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
lucas
council,
member
flaherty.
Yes
with
I'm
just
thinking
through.
D
D
Is
later
in
the
year
was
to
perhaps
allow
the
administration
to
have
a
bit
more
clarity.
D
The
budget
advance
as
we
traditionally
run.
It
includes
council
members
expressing
their.
D
Their
interests
and
thoughts
on
on
what
code
or
should
be
included
in
the
coming
year's
budget.
D
D
Report
or
or
are
we
looking
at
a
different
mechanism
to
sort
of
accomplish
that
this
year.
A
Understanding
of
that,
they
will
present
and
we'll
have
three
reports
that
evening.
A
Submit
to
the
office
of
the
mayor
and
city
staff
and
and
there
will
be
a
certain
amount
of
time.
A
I
believe
a
week
or
so,
and
then
they
will
have
some
time
in
order
to
respond
to
us,
and
I
part
of.
A
A
Just
before
our
recess,
and
although
that's
not
carbon,
concrete
or
carbon
stone,
that
is
the.
A
The
basic:
what's
next,
that,
as
I
understand
it,
is
that
your
understanding
as
well,
mr
lupus.
E
E
E
A
There
is
some
accuracy
to
your
statement.
I
will
share
this
and
I
want
to
thank
councilmember.
A
Scan
blurry
from
email
some
time
ago
with
budget
questions
and
the
gist
will
be.
A
May
be
that
we're
looking
for
close
enough,
but
I
do
believe
our
controller
has
a
good
idea.
A
Of
moving
in
that
direction
that
that's
very
helpful
and
I
can
yield
I
just.
D
Just
one
small
follow
up,
which
is
that
perhaps
at
either
either
you
council,
president
sims
or.
D
D
H
Yes,
one
other
difference
I
see
in
the
proposed
process
is
that.
A
Budget
processes,
now
they
didn't
come
until
later
until
we
got
into
the
budget
process
as
part.
A
A
Well,
they
have
been
every
year,
I've
been
on
the
council.
The
question
I
think
is:
maybe,
when.
H
E
All
be
public
records,
and
certainly
I
had
I
planned
on
on
publishing
these.
I
I
don't
know.
E
A
Alden
just
to
follow
up
on
that
question,
mr
sims,
do
you
the
the
idea?
Is
that.
B
And
that's
in
addition
to
the
questions
we're
going
to
ask
after
budget
week.
In
other.
B
Words,
there's
going
to
be
basically
two
rounds
of
written
statements
and
questions
from
members.
B
One
now
to
say
what
our
priorities
are
and
then
one
after
budget
week,
when
we
file
written.