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A
This
is
a
council
special
session
for
thursday
may
13
2021..
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
B
Yes,
councilmemberallo
here,
volin.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
taking
time
out
of
your
busy
day
this
evening,.
A
As
we
all
know,
we
suspended
the
rules
and
what
we
have
in
place
is
public
comment.
Will.
A
Meeting
and
if
we're,
if
we
finish
up,
then
we
can
adjourn
for
the
evening.
A
A
A
We
will
either
recess
and
or
adjourn
as
I
recall
parliamentarian
can
help
me
with
our.
A
I
guess
late
commerce
for
lack
of
a
better
term
and
then
we'll
proceed
from
there.
A
Okay,
miss
lacey,
who
do
we
have
in
the
queue
so
council?
President
sims,
we
had
five
in
the.
C
D
Good
evening,
president
sims
and
council
members
hey
miss
miller.
Yes,
we'll
make.
A
If
you
spoke
on
this
amendment
already,
then
we
only
allow
one
public
comment
per
person.
A
A
D
Hard
hard
to
remember
getting
them
all
correct:
okay,
I'm
gonna
paraphrase
a
short
story.
D
D
She
had
a
friend's
husband
white
husband,
stand
in
to
have
the
third
appraisal
done
and.
D
I
think
we
have
to
keep
that
in
you
know
in
mind.
So
is
this
amendment
anti-racist.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
It's
going
to
cause
strife
between
neighbors.
Sometimes
we
don't
like
something
nope
can't.
D
D
D
Might
have
a
different
opinion
going
in,
but
it
it
it's
just.
The
broadness
is
just
too
broad.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
A
G
H
Hello,
my
name
is
wendy
brisht
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
your
timing,
I'm
afraid.
H
Yeah,
I
didn't,
I
didn't
expect
all
of
this
to
happen
tonight.
I
don't
know
you
know.
H
It's
difficult
to
know
what
to
say
about
this.
This
amendment
is,
is
such
a
little
thing.
H
So
this
is
mamma's
actually
really
good
for
you,
the
plex
proponents.
I
think
it
would.
H
H
This
is
simply
self-defeating,
so
six
people
to
a
plex
means
maybe
three
or
four
cars
per
plex.
H
Southern
indiana
I
drove
two
hours
to
get
one
to
try
to
pump
out
our
basement,
which
flowed
with.
H
A
G
I'm
russ
skeba.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
council
members,
rallo
and
council
member
sandberg.
G
They
have
consistently
put
forward
amendments
that
would
have
yielded.
G
Nothing
short
of
reckless,
really,
it
is
a
true
experiment
on
the
city
of
bloomington.
G
Two
parts
and
two
issues
to
the
amendment.
What
it
boils
down
to
is,
first
of
all,
neighborhood.
G
Grand
experiment,
whether
the
neighbors
of
the
subjects
of
this
experiment
have
any
say-so
in
how.
G
G
G
We're
all
for,
and
yet
I
just
heard
pickyness
after
pickiness,
I
heard
other
council
members.
G
So
much
trouble
these.
This
amendment
is
so
small
compared
to
all
of
the
undefined
parts
of
that.
G
G
Again,
I
you
know,
I
want
to
congratulate
council
members,
rallo
and
and
council
member
sandberg.
G
G
G
I
Of
mine
she,
nobel
prize
in
economics-
and
she
got
her
prize
for
how
you
manage
the
commons
and.
I
I
I
I
That
the
neighbors
have
who
have
experienced
the
higher
density
have
said
that
that.
I
I
J
I'm
not
at
this
moment
I
just
joined
the
meeting.
I
was
at
another
meeting
so
if
I.
J
A
C
Name
for
the
record
hi.
My
name
is
jessica
griffin,
thanks
for
allowing
more
comments
on
amendment.
K
Significant
flaws
with
this
amendment,
if
we're
going
to
single
out
one
use
for
extra
conditional.
K
K
More
neighbors
means
more
cookies,
whereas
those
other
uses,
maybe
would
be
a
little
less
fun.
I.
K
Also
want
to
mention
that
a
commenter
last
night
said
that
they
saw
an
issue
with
cars
having
to.
K
K
K
L
Am
I
a
muted,
can
you
hear
me?
Oh
great,
okay,
let's
just
let
me
get
my
comments
here.
L
L
L
L
L
Appreciated
that
the
terms
need
to
be
flexible,
which
I
find
a
much
more
accurate
term
than
vague.
L
In
order
to
cover
oh,
I
see
it.
I
have
30
seconds
okay
to
cover
specific
complaints
that
neighbors.
L
Might
have
that
wouldn't
have
occurred
to
me.
So
if
the
category
isn't
there
public
safety
for.
L
L
You
disturbing
those
or
I
don't
know
what
they
might
say
so
please
support
amendment
five.
L
These
are
not
an
undue
burden,
they
make
the
homeowner
accountable.
They
give
the.
L
Neighbors
their
say
and
they've
been
used
many
many
times
before.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments
from
stuffy
who
do
we
have
next
miss
lacey?
Next,
I
would
suggest.
M
Okay,
I'm
barbara
moss-
and
I
really
I
don't
have
much
to
say
about
this,
because
I
think
that.
M
Just
done
a
a
brilliant
job,
this
amendment
five
is,
is
really
almost
like
a
boilerplate.
M
Apart-
and
it
just
seems
to
be,
this
is
part
of
the
of
of
a
no
culture
which
is
being
espoused
by.
M
By
the
planning
council,
at
the
behest
store,
at
least
of
the
advice
of
the
planning
department,.
M
Understand
in
advance
had
been
worked
out
and
not
in
response
to
the
to
the
public
comment.
M
You're
you're
really,
as
others
have
said,
you're
simply
not
listening,
and
I
I
it
it's
pretty.
It's.
M
J
J
J
J
Should
pay
more
attention
to
infrastructure
of
all
sorts,
and
this
amendment
integrates.
N
Hello,
so
I'd
like
to
I'm
sorry:
can
you
identify
yourself,
please,
okay,
sure
I'm
alex.
N
Goodlad
and
yeah-
and
I
you
know,
live
in
the
core
neighborhoods
at
a
regency
court
apartment.
N
Is
one
example
of
how
you
know
the
language
just
seems
to
be
directed
at
plexes
and
not
really.
N
Be
you
know
an
issue
with
plexus,
so
I
I
think
I
think,
a
way
that
might
make
this
amendment
more.
N
N
N
Towards
everything
else,
so
I
I
think
barbara
moss
may
be
onto
something
by
possibly
changing.
N
The
amendment
might
be
better
to
me,
but
but
for
now
I
I
just
think
it's
just
something
directed.
N
A
way
to
go
about
it
consistently,
and
I
I
just
wish
that
the
city
council
in
general,
for.
N
C
C
C
C
My
name
is
linda
stewart
I
live
in
bryant
park.
I
am
not
forgetting
the
division
in
this
city
is.
C
A
A
So
you
could
be
acknowledged
in
order
to
public
speak.
Who
do
we
have
next
miss
lacy.
C
O
And
I
support
amendment
five
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
dave
rallo
and
susan
sandberg.
O
Have
done
to
protect
the
neighborhoods
here
in
bloomington?
Thank
you
very
much.
P
Roloff
for
being
persistent
and
backing
our
neighborhoods
through
this
long
long
process-
and
I.
P
Am
very
much
approving
of
amendment
five.
I
live
in
matlock
heights,
which
is
an
historic
district.
P
Other
council
members
who
have
spoken
against
amendment
five
to
rethink
that
and
public.
P
P
C
Q
Speak
tonight
I
support
this
amendment.
It
seems
like
a
very
small
thing,
as
other
people
have
said,.
Q
Q
That
I've
attended
these
things,
I'm
very
sad
disheartened.
How
so
many
people
on
the
plan.
Q
Commission,
council,
and
in
some
cases
the
public
have
maligned
mr
rolo
and
miss
sandberg
for.
Q
Q
Q
That
desperately
needs
healing.
There
was
a
comment
made
last
night
by
jeff
richardson
that.
Q
A
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
S
Hi
I'm
peter
bogdanoff.
I
would
request
that
you
vote
yes
for
this
amendment.
C
C
T
Thank
you,
president
sims
I'll,
follow
on
a
few
of
the
excellent
comments
that
we
received.
T
This
evening
and
last
evening,
but
first
I'd
like
to
address
miss
ganlin's
comment.
T
That
she
makes
a
to
me
a
compelling
case
to
apply
these
criteria
to
other.
T
Uses,
for
instance,
you
mentioned
quarries
and
commercial
activities.
T
It
was
helpful
and
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone.
I
think
it
was
said
during
comment
that
this
is.
T
Refer
to
also
miss
scanlon
about
seemed
to
be
the
implication
that
this
was
a.
T
I
I
agree
with
peter
dorfman
that
you
know
this
is
this:
is
a
limiting.
T
Zoning
for
single
family
for
all
bloomington
is
a
transformative
thing
to
do
for
the
community.
T
And
last
they
have
a
history
of
adverse
impacts,
and
so
they
they
know
what
deregulation
might.
T
Bring
they
also
have
very
tight,
close-knit
neighborhoods
that,
with
a
lot
of
experience,.
T
Be
taken
seriously
and
just
to
end,
I
I
liked
wendy
bricks.
I
think
she
put
it
well
to
say.
A
U
That
we
have
in
our
udo.
So
if
those
concerns
are
universal,
we
should
wait
and
make
this
a.
U
U
Part
c
of
the
suggested
text
talks
about
undo
adverse
impacts
upon
the
adjacent
property.
The.
U
U
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
Every
time,
frankly,
with
all
due
respect
to
the
sincerity
of
proponents,
this
is
bad
policy,
but.
V
Privilege,
let's
take
grant
street
between
second
and
university,
a
very
short
street
that
I.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
Or
that
they're
that
people
who
have
extra
cars
are
too
lazy
to
put
them
on
their
property.
V
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
Doing
our
best
and
are
of
good
intent
as
we
continue
our
deliberations
on
the
udl.
Thank
you.
X
Echo,
mr
flaherty's,
that
we're
all
trying
to
do
our
best
and
it
is
quite
difficult.
X
The
way
I
was
the
way
I've
been
thinking
about
this
amendment,
it
is
a
small.
X
About
it,
what
what
happens
in
effect
is
that
planning
is
somewhat
limiting
the
influence
of.
X
What
it
does
is
it
undue
burden
for
the
community
more
traffic,
it
kind
of
detracts
from.
X
Probably
not
a
great
idea-
and
I
would
echo
mr
rallo
as
well
as
that:
okay,
let's
revisit
it.
X
X
Y
By
councilmember
rallo
and
myself,
with
urging
from
our
constituents
who
do
have
concerns.
Y
This
was
our
only
recourse
at
this
particular
venture.
To
add
that
language
back
into
the.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Bit
about
the
roles
that
you
play
when
you're
on
the
bza
and
when
you're
on
the
plan,
commission.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
That
are
permitted
by
use
that
are
permitted
on
condition.
The
bza
will
know
what
to
do.
Y
Y
A
Z
Conversation
and
then
also
then,
on
this
amendment,
I
don't
typically
comment
on
process
or
on.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
A
My
comments
are
as
follows:
I've
heard
some
comments
this
evening
from
the
public
about.
A
A
And
again,
this
is
not
a
perfect
situation
that
we're
in,
however,.
A
T
President
council
member
flaherty
raised
the
question
to
both
councilman
sandberg.
T
T
V
V
V
V
As
a
new
house
on
a
lot
that
was
formerly
vacant,
so
I
I
find
that
argument
to
be.
V
V
A
Mr
parliamentarian,
I
do
believe
we
have
legislation,
ready,
coordinates,
21-20,
as
amended.
W
I'm
sorry
before
taking
a
final
vote
on
21
23.
W
T
The
parliamentarian
said
we
would
go
to
questions
and
then
comment.
W
Again,
I
can
clarify,
please
do
most
typically
after
considering
amendments
for
an
ordinance.
W
Questions
for
staff
before
going
to
public
comment
on
the
ordinance
as
amended
and
ultimately.
W
Where
we
are
okay,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
That's
exactly
where
I
thought
I
was
headed.
A
T
T
Numerous
times
to
an
inventory
of
existing
duplexes
in
the
city,
could
you
share
that.
T
V
Question
of
staff,
I
actually
thought
that
she
was
going
to
present
something
to
us
now.
V
From
planning
and
transportation
staff,
their
opinion
of
ordinance,
2123.
V
As
amended,
based
on
all
the
the
changes
that
have
been
made
by
amendments.
AA
Sure,
sorry,
I
thought
yeah
I
mean
it's
it's
an
excel
sheet,
so
I
just
with
700
something
okay.
V
Characterize
how
many
units
are
there
in
plexes?
How
many
bedrooms
are
there
in
plexus
in
the
city.
V
AA
V
Through
an
extended
amendment
process,
what
is
your,
what
is
staff's
opinion
of
the
changes.
AA
AA
So
we
brought
forward
a
proposal
for
the
use,
the
duplexes
to
be
conditional
and.
AA
That
is
where
we've
ended
up
in
the
r1
through
r3.
We
also
originally
included,
of
course,
the.
AA
Space
and
time
separation-
again,
that's
back
in
we
for
those
of
you
who
did
reach
out
to
us.
AA
AA
For
some
time
about
whether
or
not
that
might
be
appropriate,
so
yes,
we
think
that.
AA
That
this
proposal
that's
come
forward
now
is
a
good
middle
of
the
road
proposal.
AA
Across
the
city,
not
in
only
selected
areas
as
well
as
we
think
that
it's
at
at
a
level.
AA
That
makes
sense
that
we
can
watch
it
over
time,
especially
with
the
reporting
that
we'll
be
doing.
AA
Excited
to
see
it
move
forward
cautiously,
you
know
we
understand
that
some
people
wanted
it.
AA
To
be
not
at
all
some
people,
council
members,
as
well
as
members
of
the
public.
AA
Made
that
very
clear-
and
we
have
also
people
on
the
other
side
who
were
hoping
that
it
would
be.
AA
Less
stringent
and
that
we
would
be
welcoming
more
homes
into
these
areas,
but
at
this
point.
AA
We
think
that
this
is
a
good,
a
good
compromise
and
we
are
happy
to
see
it
being
considered.
V
X
AA
Track
how
many
requests
we're
getting
and
just
basic
inquiries
for
this
use,
in
particular,.
AA
AA
AA
AA
That
are,
you
know,
causing
concern
either
for
the
petitioner
for
or
for
the
neighbors,
that.
AA
X
Year
say
you
have
20
applications
and
of
course
I
have
no
idea,
I'm
just
throwing
that
out.
There.
X
Report
that
you
know
there
was
more
than
15
being
requested
in
in
that
okay,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
U
Yes,
I
just
want
to
follow
up
with
ms
ganlon
on
the
reporting.
Would
you
also
be
keeping.
AA
Okay,
we'll
we
will
keep
track
of
the
makeup
and
yes
definitely
and
the
location,
correct,
yeah,
okay,.
U
T
Yes,
another
occurred
to
me
from
miss
scanlon.
T
Miss
gambling
we're
about
to
go
into
debate
on
annexation,
and
I
assume
that
those
areas
will.
T
Have
single-family
home
zoning
eliminated
and
plexus
will
be
the
rule
there.
T
Are
is
there
a
notification
process
that
has
been
taken
to
to
notify
people
in
those
areas.
T
Will
apply
to
them
to
them?
No,
I
believe
we
are
not
the
spearhead
for
annexation.
AA
Will
receive
questions
and
just
as
a
no
plexes
aren't
the
rule
anywhere
they're
just
an
option.
A
V
V
General
observations
on
how
the
I
mean
is
it
is
it
the
hearing
officer?
Is
that
what
it's
called.
AA
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
yes,
so
the
hearing
officer,
yes,
does
also
see
variances
in
conditional
uses.
AA
AA
AA
AA
You,
as
council
approved
that
was
that
it
is
what
some
people
have
said.
You
know
that.
AA
Maybe
it
is
a
little
bit
too
stringent
or
too
too
hard
to
interpret
and
and
so.
AA
The
I
think,
that's
probably
why
it
came
out
in
the
first
place,
but
any
language
in
the.
AA
Code
that
that
may
not
be
specifically
clear,
we
obviously
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
is
directed.
AA
To
use
the
general
regular
definition
of
those
terms
very
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Any.
A
On
ordinance
21-23
as
amended
first,
we
have
dave
warren
who
should
be
able
to
unmute.
AB
Amended
like
amendment
two,
it's
not
perfect,
but
it
is
still
better
than
the
status
quo.
AB
AB
An
incremental
change
allowing
duplexes
is
a
necessary
but
insufficient
step
towards
a
more.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
C
K
To
the
way
our
land
use
is
in
the
city,
I'm
just
thank
you
for
your
patience
too.
I'm.
C
Next
we
have
richard
lewis,
who
should
be
able
to
unmute
good
evening.
President
sims
miss.
AC
Lacey
and
members
of
city
council,
thank
you
and
thanks
to
the
members
of
the
planning
department.
AC
Also
been
participating
from
from
quite
a
while
back
in
meetings
with
planning
department.
AC
AC
AC
AC
My
concern
is
that
the
only
concrete
item
that
we
had
on
the
table
last
night.
AC
AC
A
much
larger
size,
obviously
but
zero
affordability
is
still
zero.
Affordability.
AC
And
to
invite
developers
to
produce
that
affordability
on
our
terms
in
last
night's.
AC
AC
And
any
deadline
by
council
this
week
or
next
is
self-imposed.
So
if,
if
someone
wants
to.
AC
AC
That
but
I
do
appreciate
that
council,
member
sandberg
and
rollo
brought
that
forward
to
address.
AC
AC
Need
at
the
workforce
level,
workforce
income
level
for
for
available
and
affordable
housing.
AC
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
rethink
that
if
you
would
thank
you
again
for
your
time
and.
AC
AD
AD
AD
AD
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
N
Hi
there,
so
I
want
to
first
of
all
advise
city
council
to
vote.
Yes
on
the
on
on
the.
N
Ordinance,
as
you
know,
on
on
the
udo
as
amended
and
just
kind
of
reflect
on
the
discussion.
I
I.
N
Have
to
kind
of
disagree
with
miss
lee
on
on
her
characterization
of
of
this
general
process.
I.
N
It's
a
big
improvement
from
not
to
get
too
much
into
2106,
which
I
I
know
a
lot
of.
You
don't
want.
N
To
talk
about
it,
but
it's
it's
a
big
step
up
from
that.
If,
for
anyone
that
was
there
and.
N
Remember
that
and-
and
let
me
say
why
I
think
the
big
thing
was
that.
N
Even
if
people
like
miss
lee
feel
differently,
I
I
think
that
concerns
from.
N
N
N
Respect
the
fact
that
you
know
that
I
respect
the
hustle
of
the
antiplex
activists
and
I.
N
I
don't
say
that
activists
as
as
a
bad
thing
I
for
one
when
I
was
petitioning
for
2106.
N
I
am
a
activist
for
the
for
the
unhoused
and
and
and
I
I
respect
the
vigor-
that
the.
N
The
the
the
the
residents
of
the
core
feel
about
this
issue-
I
I
don't
agree
with
it.
N
But
again
I
I
respect
it
and
I'm
glad
that
there
was
some
listening
to
it.
N
N
Meetings
and-
and
there
was
most
importantly,
some
some
compromise,
and
I
I
think
that
down
the.
N
Road,
we
should
take
this
model
and
and
apply
it
to
every
issue
of
every
constituency.
N
Because
you
know
the
tables
might
turn
and
for
like
the
on
houzz
issue
and
the
constituency.
N
To
end
my
comment
by
saying
I
I
invite
the
the
lees
to
talk
to
talk
to
me.
You
you
want
to.
N
Talk
to
people
we'll
have
a
conversation
with
me
and
I
would
love
to
yeah.
Okay,
sorry
I'll.
AF
Hi
thanks,
my
name
is
greg
alexander.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
council
members
for
their.
AF
Patience
through
this
extraordinary
public
process,
that's
all
thanks.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
M
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
personally
urge
you
to
vote
no
on
the
udo
and
also
to.
M
M
M
M
M
Show
up-
and
we
have
showed
up
between
seven
to
one
to
eight
to
one
and
when
people
show
up.
M
M
And
to
note
vote
no
on
the
udl,
and
I
just
want
to
add
also
thank
you
to
best
lee
for
her.
M
AH
I
consider
you,
colleagues,
on
on
the
city
council,
and
I
also
want
to
thank.
AH
Up
zoning,
I
would
really
beg
of
you
to
listen
to
the
community,
because
there's
a
wealth
of.
AH
AH
Is
nowhere
to
be
seen
despite
the
city
being
almost
on
fire
there's
such
divisiveness.
AH
AH
In
an
awful
position-
and
I
think
that
it's
really
unfortunate
and
I
think
the
members.
AH
AH
Don't
forget
700
signatures
or
more
on
peter
dorfman's
petition
and
that
we
requested
of
you.
AH
AH
C
AI
AI
AI
AI
To
do
what
you
think
is
the
right
thing.
I
will
hope
that
you
will
give
some
consideration
in
the.
AI
AI
AI
More
built
up
so
better,
I
would
think
to
access
the
wealth
of
talent
that
there
is
in
this
town.
AI
And
not
necessarily
professional
expertise.
The
wealth
of
lived
experience
on
the
part
of
those.
AI
AI
AI
AI
C
Unmute
hi
there
pam
weaver
here
brian
park,
neighborhood
there's
only
one.
AJ
Person
on
this
device
tonight,
since
my
husband's
decided
to
be
a
udo
slacker.
AJ
And
instead
go
play
soccer,
so
it's
just
me:
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
go
ahead
and
support.
AJ
AJ
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
C
O
Too
many
residents
are
seriously
against
the
udo.
I
I
really
feel
like
the
city
in
the
last
few.
A
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
A
AM
AM
AM
D
D
D
Without
knowing
somebody
really
really
well,
so
I'm
a
little
saddened
by
hearing
those.
D
To
pass
this-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
yield
the
rest
of
my
time
thanks.
Thank
you.
A
F
F
F
F
AN
AO
AN
I've
listened
to
some
of
the
council
meetings
before
and
attendance
has
been
kind
of
sparse,
so.
AO
AO
AO
I
guess
at
the
same
time,
I
want
to
encourage
some
caution
in
not
upsetting
too
many
people
who.
AO
Have
been
here
for
a
long
time,
their
voices
are
important,
but
as
a
compassion
to
say
this,
but.
AO
A
privileged
community,
I
think
it's
important
that
we're
aware
of
that,
and
we
consider
that
as.