City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 25 Sep 2019

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Seeing that we have a quorum I'd like to call to order this bloomington common.

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Council special session and committee the whole for wednesday to 25th of.

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September 2019 will the clerk, please call the roll. Remember us here: piedmon.

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Smith, ranger president, here boland here, tim's here, stair bomb, your sandburg here.

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All right before we begin well, our attorney had an announcement, but I see.

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He's out in the hallway, so we will wait on that, and so this is our agenda. This.

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Evening, if you'd like a copy of the agenda, you may find them beside the.

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Clerk, we will have approval of minutes for the 14th of august 2019. We'll then.

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Go to one item for legislation for second reading and resolutions, and that.

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Is resolution 1914 resolution proposing an ordinance modifying local income tax.

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Allocations in monroe county and casting 58 votes in favor of the ordinance.

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Regarding adjusting the allocations between the public safety answering.

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Point psap and general public safety purposes tax rates without changing.

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Other allocations or the total expenditure tax rate, the public safety.

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Local income tax committee, the psle committee of the monroe county, a local.

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Income tax council had a committee recommendation of august 1st 2019 of do.

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Pass 7-0 then we'll introduce legislation for first reading. We have.

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Six items that are budgetary appropriation, ordinance 1905 an.

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Ordinance for appropriations and tax rates establishing 2020 civil city.

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Budget for the city of bloomington second item is appropriation ordinance.

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1906, an ordinance adopting a budget for the operation, maintenance, debt service.

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And capital improvements for the water and wastewater utility departments of.

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The city of bloomington indiana for the year 2020 third item is appropriation.

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Ordinance 1907 appropriations and tax rates for bloomington transportation.

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Corporations for 2020 number four, as ordinance 1920 an.

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Ordinance fixing the salaries of officers of the police and fire departments for the city of bloomington indiana for the year 2020 item five.

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Ordinance, 1921 and ordinance fixing the salaries of appointed officers non-union.

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And asked me employees for all city to all the departments of the city of.

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Bloomington in monroe county indiana for the year 2020 last night, I'm number six.

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Is ordinance 1922 to fix the salaries of all elected city officials for the city.

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Of bloomington for the year 2020, we will review our council schedule before we.

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Adjourn and then we will reconvene as the committee of the whole and we will.

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Hear each one of those budget items at our committee meeting chaired by.

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Councilmember, jim sims, so with that yes, council attorney sherman did you.

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Have an announcement we do have sign language interpreters here. It's sandy.

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Givens, crucem and and kathy vennett, okay they're here to cover our special.

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Session tonight they will not be covering the committee of the whole so.

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You'll see them at one point leaving and that's under an agreement we have with.

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Them so thank you. Thank you for that announcement. When we move now to.

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Approval of minutes anyone like to make the motion, I move approval of the mood.

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Of the minutes, fraud, 14 august 20 19, second, any additions or corrections to.

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Those minutes seeing none all in favor aye.

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Any opposed those minutes are adopted will now go to legislation for second.

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Reading and resolutions 14 be introduced and read by title and synopsis only it's.

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Been moved and seconded that resolution 1914 be introduced and read by the clerk.

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By title and synopsis, only all in favor say aye aye any opposed.

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Will the clerk please read yes, resolution 1914 a resolution proposing.

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An ordinance modifying local income tax allocations in monroe county in casting.

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58 votes in favor of the ordinance regarding adjusting the allocations.

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Between the public safety answering point piece app and general public.

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Safety purposes, tax rates without changing other allocations or the total.

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Expenditure tax rate, your committee recommendation is: do pass 7, 0 0, the.

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Synopsis is as follows. Resolution 1914 proposes an ordinance to the monroe.

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County local income tax council that would modify the allocation of tax.

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Revenues between two components of the local income, tax expenditure, tax rate.

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This reallocation will effect the public safety answering point and general.

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Public safety rates authorized under indiana code, six, three point: six: six.

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Eight, without changing other components of the expenditure rate or the.

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Expenditure rate overall, with adoption of the ordinance the tax rate for the.

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Piece op would decrease 2.06 five four percent representing twenty six point.

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One five percent of the total and the tax rate for public safety would.

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Increase two point: one eight, four, six percent representing seventy three point.

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Eight five percent of the total the reallocation follows a recommendation of.

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The public safety, local income tax committee of the county income tax.

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Council and would go into effect on january 1st 2020. Thank you. Mr. president,.

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I move the resolution 1914 be adopted. Thank you, mr. shermin, will you be.

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Presenting who will be presenting this evening? Oh council, member piedmont, smith.

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Thank you. Yes thank you. It may seem to you that.

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You have just seen this recently, but what we did a few weeks ago was.

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Allocating funds to the fire departments and emergency service providers outside.

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The city limits now we are coming back to you to ask that you approve a.

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Reallocation between funding, piece, app and funding general purpose public.

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Safety piece app is the public safety answering point. That's our central.

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Dispatch and this year, their budget requests to the public safety, local.

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Income tax committee was lower than last year.

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Considerably lower, and so we are that our committee decided to change the the.

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Portion of the public safety, local income tax that went to piece app to be.

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A lower percentage, and thus we were able to increase the percentage that went to.

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The general purpose public safety, so that's the the light green bar is the.

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Piece app, the central dispatch budget and the orange bar is the general.

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Purpose, public safety portion and they add up to 0.25 percent, which is what.

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People pay on their income for public safety, so this is just I was saying last.

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Year we did point zero, nine one, six percent of the point, two five percent.

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Was four piece app and this year, due to their decreased, needs their decreased.

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Request that percentage is down to point zero, six five percent and the remaining.

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Then goes to the general purpose: public safety and just to remind you what we.

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Did a few weeks ago with awarding funds to qualified service providers who apply.

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That is included in that orange part. It's the first line, so the three hundred.

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Eighty nine thousand four hundred sixty one is what we had agreed to provide to.

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The qualified service providers that offer emergency services outside the.

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City of bloomington, so I'm happy to answer any questions. If there are any.

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Thank you are the questions from council.

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No questions will go to the public. The public would like to comment on.

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Resolution: nineteen fourteen you have your opportunity.

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Seeing no public back to council for comment or a recommendation call the.

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Question: okay, the questions been called and seconded on resolution. Nineteen.

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Fourteen well, the clerk, please call the roll councilmember f, biman smith. Yes,.

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Ranger, yes, we're all up. Yes, boland, yes, simms! Yes, mr. baum, yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Thank you. Thank you. Resolution 1914 has adopted aids, zero.

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Moving on to legislation for first reading, mr. president, I move that.

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Appropriation ordinance, 1905, be introduced and read by title and.

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Synopsis, only it's been moved and seconded that appropriation ordinance.

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1905 be introduced in read by the clerk by ted olsen synopsis only on favor, say.

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Aye aye any opposed with equipment fees. Please read appropriation ordinance, 1905.

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An ordinance for appropriations and tax rate's, establishing 2020 civil city.

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Budget for the city of bloomington, there's no synopsis.

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All right, thank you. Mr. president, I moved that appropriation appropriation.

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Ordinance 1906 be introduced and read by title and synopsis. Only it's been we've.

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Been seconded that appropriation or in his 1906 being introduced and written by.

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The clerk by title and synopsis, only all those in favor say aye aye any opposed.

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Please read appropriation ordinance, 1906, an ordinance adopting a budget for the.

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Operation, maintenance, debt, service and capital improvements for the water and.

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Wastewater utility departments of the city of bloomington indiana for the year.

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2020 the synopsis is as follows: this ordinance approved by the utility.

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Utility service board in august of 2019 sets the water and wastewater budgets.

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For 2020, thank you. Mr. president, I move that appropriation ordinance 19:07, be.

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Introduced and read by title and synopsis, only it's been moved and.

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Seconded that appropriation, ordinance 19:07 be introduced in red by the clerk.

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By title and synopsis, only all in favor say aye aye any opposed. Well. The clerk, please read appropriation, ordinance 1907.

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Appropriations and tax rates for bloomington transportation corporation.

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For 2020, thank you. Mr. president, I moved that ordinance, 1920 be introduced and.

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Read by title and synopsis, only it's been moved in second at dave's ordinance.

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1920 be introduced and read by the clerk by title in synopsis only on favor say.

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Aye aye any opposed with the curtain. Please reading ordinance 1920 an.

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Ordinance fixing the salaries of officers of the police and fire.

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Departments for the city of bloomington indiana for the year 2020 synopsis is as.

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Follows this ordinance? That's the maximum salary rates for all sworn fire.

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And police personnel for the year 2020, in accordance with council, approved.

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Collective bargaining agreements. Thank you. Mr. president, I move that ordinance.

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1921 be introduced and arrived by time and synopsis. Only it's been moved and.

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Seconded that ordinance 1921 be introduced in revenue clerk by title and.

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Synopsis only on favor say aye, I, and he opposed what the clerk please.

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Read ordinance 1921 in ordinance fixing the salaries of appointed officers.

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Non-Union and askme employees for all the departments of the city of.

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Bloomington monroe county indiana for the year 2020, the synopsis is as follows:.

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This ordinance, that's the maximum 2020 salary for all appointed officers.

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Non-Union and asked me employees for all the departments of the city of.

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Bloomington indiana. Thank you. Mr. president, I move that ordinance 1920 to.

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Be introduced and read by title and synopsis, only it's been moved and.

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Seconded that ordinance 1922 be introduced in read by the clerk by title.

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And schnapps only on favor say aye aye any opposed with the clerk. Please read.

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Horn enstein 22 to fix the salaries of all elected city officials for the city.

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Of bloomington for the year 2020, the synopsis is as follows. This ordinance.

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That's the maximum 2020 salary rate for all elected city officials, for the city.

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Of bloomington, thank you mr. shermin, shall we review the council schedule? Yes,.

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A reminder that we have a special council work session this friday at noon.

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It's in the mccloskey room we have just received the you do from the planning.

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Commission, today and friday is a chance for you to talk about how you want to.

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Handle this, what's your schedule, what process do you want to follow.

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And the you do should go out in the packet this friday for what you have set.

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Up as a regular session next week, it will be introduced next week and at the.

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Time of introduction, I anticipate you'll entertain a motion to schedule what.

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Would amount to your first hearing on the you do at least two weeks after that.

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Date, so that's one thing, that's happening so could I get a sense of how.

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Many you might be able to come on friday. I've heard from some others who are.

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Otherwise committed so okay good. The second is, I think, an announcement. It.

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Is it doesn't require a motion because council president.

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Rallo is working with the president of the county council on scheduling what.

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Will be a joint city, council, county council and executive branch session.

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Next wednesday, that's october, 2nd starting at 5:30 and at this point.

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Running till maybe 7:15 and followed by your regular session on 7:30, so the.

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Closing times not quite known at this point, but that's the outline for next.

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Wednesday, so it's just making you aware that anticipate coming early and and.

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Joining your compatriots from the county and upstairs for another joint session.

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On the convention center, thank you very good. Any questions regarding your scale.

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Where do we have that reserved? Is it this room? It will be in the counter.

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Right here, yes, all right, very good. Do we have a motion for german.

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All in favor ernie hi, we are adjourned and we will reconvene in a moment saying.

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That we have a quorum we're calling this evenings committee of the whole meeting.

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To order for september 25th committee of the whole meeting before we get into the.

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Agenda the mayor has requested to make brief statements introducing budgetary.

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Items. Thank you very much welcome to everybody here and thank you.

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Council members for an opportunity to speak briefly again about the proposed.

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2020 budget, in light of our presentation last month and discussions and.

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Presentations questions we've had since then. We appreciate your attention and we.

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Ask for your support for the 22 budget, 2020 budget in front of you. I do have to.

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Just make a very brief aside about extraordinary political times, given this.

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Is a political body that we are facing since november 8 2016 we've been.

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Extraordinary political times yesterday was a very notable day. Our country's.

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First hundred eighty years saw one impeachment vote preceded and no.

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Conviction in the last 45 years, we've had a president resigned before.

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Impeachment we've had another president in peace and we have a third impeachment.

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Inquiry underway, I do hope dc- will restore the rule of.

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Law, the dignity and patriotism that we look for out of our capital. We must.

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Continue to work together amid these, I believe extraordinary challenges at our.

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Federal level to do what's right for our community and our country too, and I just.

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Want to note that our obligation and opportunity to do that, I'm not going to.

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Repeat last month's budget comments: just thank you for collaborating and.

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Developing another budget that I believe reflects the goals of our community and.

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Respects the realities, both financial and practical, that set guardrails for.

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Our city government, briefly, you know for the 15 departments in the administration.

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With about 805 the employees, the total operating budget.

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Of about 170 million dollars reflects our investments to serve and support.

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85,000 residents, two million annual visitors and to enhance and protect over.

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1 billion dollars worth of assets with a balanced budget. We keep our general fund.

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Reserves at 30% or more of annual operating expenses, good stewardship.

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Reflected in our excellent and improved city bond rating of double-a, I will note.

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That only 10 jurisdictions in the state of any kind town city county have a bond.

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Rating that is higher than that. It's also worth noting. Just briefly, some.

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Comparisons with our peers in the state that we, this you've seen this chart.

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Before but just to remember, this is a list of the property tax rates paid by.

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The 20 largest cities in the state of indiana you can see bloomington is.

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Number 16 in terms of on that list of 1 to 20 in terms of the tax rates that we.

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Pay residents pay here and I'll also note, if you see the next chart of local.

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Income tax rates, this again lists the 21 largest cities, including indianapolis.

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Local income tax rates, comparing all 21 of the largest cities- and we are number.

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15, I note that just to reflect that we continue to be a fiscally responsible.

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City, the budget continues our strong and investments in our new city, employees.

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Increased training, fair living wages for all, with 12 new positions we embrace.

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Transparency, including a citywide performance report that will be released.

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Next week and our ongoing emphasis on accountability and fishin c is evident.

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The budget reflects key priorities we discussed last month. I won't go into any.

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Details, including major investments in economic health, our quality of life.

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Community justice, affordable housing, public safety- I will share just a few.

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More detailed thoughts about two particular priorities that have been.

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Matters of some recent discussion, our police department and our efforts.

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Regarding climate change, first, as to police, we've been discussing.

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Issues on a couple of different dimensions: one relates to ongoing.

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Contract negotiations with the police, union and appropriate levels of.

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Compensation benefits, conditions etc for the coming several years. A second is.

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With regard to the overall investment in police services, including, for example,.

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The number of badged officers in relation to demands and population.

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Growth as to the first issue, I just want to comment. We conducted a salary study.

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Done regarding all of our employees, which has informed our approach in these.

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Negotiations as well as our treatment of all other employees, we've been in an.

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18-Month negotiation there have been 16 offers and counteroffers back and forth.

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During that period of time, ongoing with a mediator recently, actually we were.

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Within about a five-figure dollar amount in in regard difference, if.

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I figure dollar amount difference for a large multi-million multi-year contract.

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Our ongoing negotiations reflect our deep respect for and commitment to, fair.

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Compensation and conditions- and we do expect discussions to continue.

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I just want to report that to you as to the second police issue, let me say.

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Directly, our administration has been and is fully committed to investing in.

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Public safety and our police department in very substantial ways, as you've heard.

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Me describe before in the last four years, four budgets, including the.

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Proposed budget, we have added five new positions for badged officers and also.

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Freed up three other officers by replacing their work with other non.

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Badged employees for a total of eight badged officers available newly for.

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Services we've also added new help with a social worker to neighbourhood.

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Resource specialists and an after-hours ambassador- I do want to just show a.

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Graph showing the budget history of the last six years, the five budgets, the four.

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Budgets that I have proposed in the two before that, showing the investment in.

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The police department, including dispatch you can see that that graph show.

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A very substantial about 37 percent growth over seven years over five years.

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I'm sorry, including a steady new investment. This.

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Is the operating budget does not include litt capital investments, which is.

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Another about six million dollars that reflects a major investment in our.

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Police and dispatch one. I will note one aspect of this: there is about a under 1.

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Million dollar increase that reflects incorporating the county employees into.

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Our system in 2017, but even if you pull that out, it's a 30 percent growth rate.

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Or so so I just wanted you to see our collective increasing operating.

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Investment in the police department we've also, if you've talked about.

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Officers per 1000- I just want to note, if that's used as a as a touchstone, it's.

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Relevant, I don't think it should drive all of our understandings, but if you.

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Include the iu police force, which provides direct services to the 85, some.

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Of the 85 thousand people, we are right at the national average in terms of.

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Police police per 1000 you'll also remember that the first time ever, we've.

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Had a new national accreditation of our police department after a rigorous third.

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Party outside review of performance and procedures, their training, making our.

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Police department, one of the top handful of indiana departments, to do that and.

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Perhaps most important as we're looking at the police department, let me show one more slide about crime statistics in our city. These are based on the uniform.

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Crime reports done at the national level. These two are not the only touchstone.

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But I think it's important to note in 2018 we actually have had the lowest.

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Overall part, one crime reports in the last 10 years in our city, that is a good.

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Thing those numbers can move around, but that is an important, steady service and.

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I'm very very proud of that activity of our police force, including chief d, cough.

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Who, I believe in their training and performance, are unsurpassed in the state.

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Of indiana, I appreciate your continued support for.

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This outstanding, two-part and all of our officers in the 2020.

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Budget now let me talk just a moment about climate action. I know you have a.

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Lot to do tonight, we all face an enormous challenge: an opportunity in.

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Front of us as a community as well as our country and our planet, we have to.

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Get this right, which is a society and culture. We certainly have not been doing.

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As we know, there is no planet b, I believe- and I believe we all agree on.

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The existential importance of addressing this issue locally, regionally and beyond.

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This evening, I just want to give a very brief look at where we are now as a.

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Community and some, including some of the progress we've made recently and some.

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Look ahead, let me state for the record that I agree wholeheartedly with the.

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Chants that rang through city hall last week, when hundreds of our residents.

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Including many young people and students joined the climate strike, the chant of.

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Not enough is absolutely correct. None of us has done enough. We have a.

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Great deal to do ahead of us, and I know that there may be some different views.

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About how city government itself ought to be restructured or not in connection.

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With this issue, there may be different opinions about how best to achieve very.

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Important important results that is, my talisman doing what works, to get results.

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We cannot and we will not stop as additional efforts are needed. One.

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Important area of effort is political, speaking up and speaking out about this.

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Issue as your mayor, I do that often, as do all of you as a city government, we.

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Have joined important groups to build momentum toward change beyond our own.

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Community, including climate mayor's, including the electric vehicle.

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Purchasing collaborative mayor's for solar energy, we are still in referencing.

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Climate agreements and the global covenant of mayors for climate and.

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Energy now locally, the next slide. We have organized and activated our efforts.

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With our first ever sustainability action.

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Led by city government adopted in october 2018 just a little less than a.

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Year ago, after months of development and hundreds of participants, this plan.

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Outlines eight areas of focus: I'm certainly not going to go in the scores.

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Of particular goals already identified, but let me just mention a few so that.

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You know them in case they're, not front of mind. This plan calls for an 11.

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Percent reduction in community-wide greenhouse gases by 2023, based on the.

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2016 baseline of 1.3 million tons, it also calls for 12% reduction in city.

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Operations with greenhouse gas reductions within four years, 2023.

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It calls for a 20 percent reduction in community-wide building energy use again.

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By 2023, in four years, from a 2016 baseline of nine point, four million btus.

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It calls for a 20 percent reduction in per capita water usage by 2023.

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Again, four years from a 96 gallons per day in 2016 and just as one other.

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Example, a 60% single occupancy vehicle commuting rate is called for in this.

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Plan reducing from sixty three percent in 2016 that by 2022 these are all big.

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Lifts requiring collaborations community-wide of those eight I'm just.

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Going to give very briefly some examples of what is underway, this is all built in.

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And incorporated into the plan, but the first is just about water. If we click to.

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That the the major green infrastructure investments of four million dollars that.

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Are part of the city city of bloomington utilities? Over 10 years the lake monroe.

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Grant which is working with our regional partners on protecting that lake, smart.

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Water meters, major investment to increase conservation and lower our.

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Carbon footprint in the next slide, just to give another example within the.

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Report, ecosystem health, one of the eight categories you may not have seen it.

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Didn't get much coverage. Our tree report last week reported that city trees.

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Increased 56 percent in the last 12 years to 19,000 a.

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Urban canopy of 38 percent overall community coverage is leading indiana.

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Cities, of course, you know about switchyard park examples of more acreage.

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Of public space and the daylighting of the creek just a couple other examples.

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In energy you're very aware of solar, our 5x5 time increase in the city generation.

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Of solar in the last two years also a good fact to remember bloomington with.

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Three percent of indiana's population has 10% of its community based solar and.

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Thanks to our friends at cider and others, the building in which we sit has.

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Now designated leed gold. Lastly, just on transportation again, you know much of.

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This seven new miles of side paths and trails planned and funded, adding to the.

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29 miles we have the second electric bus being purchased this year and, as you.

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Know the citywide transportation demand management plan underway. Lastly, I'll.

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Just note in the connection with this plan, there are a number of important.

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Projects which will be coming up you're aware of the waste-to-energy task force.

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Which will be looking at major ways? We can convert our waste into energy.

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Climate vulnerability assessment, an action plan beginning this year to be.

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Reported next year, with an intensive review again part of the sustainability.

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Plan a greenhouse gas emissions inventory, which we do every two years.

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And report carbon disclosure project and leed for cities communities are both.

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National benchmarks that we are part of to to measure that and finally a.

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Sustainability dashboard to report on how we're doing these. This is a major.

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List of actions and planned activities and the sustainability action plan is.

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Our guidebook for continued efforts. We have established an internal working.

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Group inside city government, which I lead personally, which includes eight.

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Department, heads that will coordinate and oversee our actions with this plan.

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To address climate change, I am proud that bloomington was just.

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Recognized among all the municipalities of the state to win this year's.

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Statewide greening government award for indiana, based on what we've been doing.

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But we're only just getting started on enormous efforts ahead and we look.

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Forward to meeting that challenge head-on with you as a community.

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Together, let me close by just thanking you, the council, for your close attention.

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To this budget, as always, and for public comments as well, I believe this is a.

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Very good budget for our community again reflecting our goals and respecting our.

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Realities, no doubt some parts of this whole will appeal to some and not to.

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Others, each of us may desire a change in this or that particular, but as our.

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Community-Wide budget, I urge you to embrace this whole. Thank you very much.

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For your leadership and support, thank you. Thank you, mayor hamilton, okay, folks,.

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This evening we have six items for discussion: ordinance, 1920 we've asked.

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Miss carolyn shaw to be present, ordinance, 1921 and ordinance. 1922 we've.

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Asked michelle to be present for all of them: appropriation, ordinance, 1905, we've.

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Asked mr. jeff underwood city controller to be present appropriation ordinance.

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1906 we best mr. veeck kelson, director of utilities department to be president.

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Or present and lastly, appropriation ordinance 1907 we've asked mr loom a.

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General manager for bloomington transit to be present and we will start with.

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Ordinance 1920: this is an ordinance fixing the salaries of officers of the.

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Police and fire departments for the city of bloomington indiana for the year 2020.

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The synopsis reads as follows: this ordinance sets the maximum salary.

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Rates for all sworn fire and police personnel for the year 2020 in.

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Accordance with council approved collective bargaining agreements, miss.

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Shaw, if you would members, my name is caroline sean hr director here at the.

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City, as councilmember sims just stated, I will not repeat the ordinance 1920. What.

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It outlines, but I will cover the highlights.

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Oh, I will also say this ordinance includes unit compensation for longevity.

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Education, certification, training and other qualifications defined by and.

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Provided by respective collective bargaining agreements for both police.

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And fire and then I will highlight changes from between nineteen ordinance.

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And a brief description of salaries. First for the fire department, salaries.

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For fire captains, chauffeurs and first-class fire, first-class officers.

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Are listed according to the contract between the city of bloomington and the.

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Bloomington metropolitan firefighters, local 586, the 2020 rate for the officers.

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Covered under this contract is 2%, it's an increase of two percent in 2020. The.

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Logistics officer has been included in this ordinance, rather, the ordinance for.

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Civil city employees, as a matter of housekeeping the prevention, logistics.

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And inspection officers are all at the same maximum salary of sixty one.

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Thousand five hundred seventy three and twenty twenty and finally, all other fire.

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Personnel salaries reflect a two percent pay increase now review the police.

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Contract changes for blue sally ordinance, salaries for first officer.

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First, class and senior police officers are set in accordance with a negotiation.

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Between the city and the fraternal order of police lodge 88 in the car, there's.

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Not a contract salaries for officer first class and senior police officers.

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Will maintain maintained at their current salaries? The other salaries is.

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Listed receive a two percent pay increase and your approval of ordnance.

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Nineteen twenty is requested, I'm happy to take questions at this time. Okay,.

G

Thank you hang on. Okay,.

G

Okay, thank you. Do any of my council members have questions. Councilmember is.

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About the announcement, yes, I am concerned that there has been no.

E

Agreement reached with the fraternal order of police and I wanted to inquire.

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About some of the data that they have brought to our attention in comparing.

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The base salary, longevity pay of the bloomington police department with other.

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Communities in indiana, as we see the base pay, is fifty two thousand nine.

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Hundred sixteen dollars, if we look at salaries base salaries in other.

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Communities, especially communities that are approximately the same size as.

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Bloomington they are much higher. For example, lafayette has a base pay of.

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Sixty three thousand nine sixty two- and I know I discussed this previously with.

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The administration and I was told that you can't really go on base pay because.

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There are many add-ons, but I see that this ordinance limits the add-ons to.

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$4,800 and even if you added that we would be very low compared to other.

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Cities, so I just wanted to get the administration's feedback on that and.

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Why our police officers are not making as much as parallel departments? I will.

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Defer to our lead negotiator, flipbook got their corporation counsel. Thank you.

E

Thank you, philippa guthrie, corporation counsel. We.

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Are happy to talk to you about that, but we don't believe negotiating a contract.

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In public is workable, it's just. There are too many complexities in how these.

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Contracts work, so we can meet with you another time we.

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Are happy to meet with the police again, there have been, as the mayor mentioned,.

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Up to eight offers on each side exchanged, we got very close at one point.

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And then we were very far away at other points and we went through a mediation.

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We are open to negotiating at any time, probably sooner rather than later, since.

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We're getting into the holiday period, but you know we made the last offer and.

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It was put to a vote without a recommendation by the fop, so it that is.

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What it is, and we can't we can't make a new offer, because we would be.

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Negotiating against ourselves! So that's where it stands and if you'd like to.

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Meet with us and talk about you know issues we would be happy to do that.

E

Like categorically, you can say about that, I'm not understanding here when I.

E

Compare salaries well, yeah. There are things in in the contracts that are.

J

Different, that's just the base salary. There are lots of other things and.

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Provided in these contracts that add to the value I see, thank you councilmember.

G

Sandberg, I don't know if this ordinate, if we're only talking about salaries,.

K

Right now are for talking about other conditions. I know in the mayor's initial.

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Report, he was talking about you, know, salaries and conditions for the bpd and.

K

I have a question: it may not be appropriate here about the whole.

K

Accreditation process and what, if anything, that may reflect on the.

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Conditions of the the current enforce and obviously to get accredited.

K

Obviously, that's a good thing, but I want to know a little bit more about. Does.

K

That process give us any indication about some of the things we're hearing.

K

And I don't want this to turn into a qualm it, but we're hearing one thing:.

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From the officers we're hearing an thing from the administration, I just.

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Want to know where we can get facts that we as a council can hang our hats on.

K

When we're making decisions not so much about salaries, which, of course that is a.

K

You know that's a bargaining situation that has to do take place between their.

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Representatives in the administration, but the conditions is what my concern is.

K

About so again, a long way to ask this question that could someone please walk.

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Me through what accreditation means and where we stand with that kanou mighty.

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Cough I'm the police chief, so the accreditation is through the.

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Commission on law enforcement accreditation, it is a national body that.

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Accredited police departments across the country what they do is they take a look.

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At each departments, policies and procedures and how they operate, and they.

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They put those up to national standards and that's basically, what accreditation.

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Is is a complete review of our policies and how we operate, I mean, and in that.

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And each policy, you have to prove that you are doing what your policy says so.

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There's things called proofs that are in in that accreditation review when, when.

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The assessors come and do that it's a it's a three year process. It took us.

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Three years to get accredited, we get recreated. Excuse me.

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Every four years, and so every year we update approximately a quarter of those.

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Those policies to make sure that they are updated and they meet the national.

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Standards and those national standards do they include any data or any.

K

Information that would indicate that we are perhaps understaffed by other.

K

Comparative I'm not aware that they go into staffing levels, it's more on your.

L

Written policies and how you right, okay, I may have some other.

K

Questions later, okay, thank you. Councilmember bowman,.

D

Yeah the first question I have is sort of a technical one. I'm not sure that.

D

This is a question for you as it is for mr. underwood, but don't we need to know.

D

What the eventual salaries will be when so that we can pass the budget in other.

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Words, if you conclude the negotiations after the vote on the budget and the.

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Eventual thing it requires an increase in the budget. How will you achieve that.

D

Well, you can move money around, or are you going to come back to us for another appropriation, two steps to that the salary ordinance would be amended first.

M

And then we would come back for an additional appropriation if needed and.

M

As you know, we typically come to you at least three times a year to talk about.

M

The finances we usually have at least two a borden's app ordinances, one in the.

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Spring and one in the fall, so that would give us the opportunities to amend that.

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Budget and add those funds to it, so the other question I had about that was miss.

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Guthrie talked about the five figure difference between the union and the.

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Administration but that's not the same thing as a vote of the membership in.

D

Other words, while there may have been that close between the union negotiators.

D

And the administration negotiators, any eventual figure- would have had to be.

D

Improved by the membership, isn't that correct.

M

Obviously, any contract would have to be agreed to by the unions, negotiating team.

M

And and and the city that would then go to the vote to the membership and they.

M

Would either vote it up or down if they vote it up, then the two steps that I.

M

Talked about would happen so, but I mean there was an actual vote of the.

D

Membership and they turned down the most recent offer. Is that correct? That's.

D

Correct okay: now those are my questions for the moment. Thank you. Thank you.

G

Council, member rallo, I wanted to pick up on a statement made.

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By the mayor about the contribution of iu police to the community, public safety.

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Efforts- and I suppose my question would be to chief d cough and my question is.

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About to what extent can they police the bloomington area? What limitations do.

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They operate under, in other words, can they operate off-campus and how far and.

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Are they? Are they part of service calls and things like that police, jurisdiction.

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They have jurisdiction throughout the entire state, so they could operate.

L

Anywhere in monroe county in the city, they tend to stay on campus and probably.

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A couple of blocks radius around campus: they we do not dispatch them. They we.

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Will sometimes ask that they back us up and assist us, but they have their own.

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Calls and they have their own dispatch facility or they but they're, aware of.

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Our dispatch they're hearing calls in our in the community both both agencies.

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Monitor each other's radio traffic I see and and obviously we extend our police.

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Force on campus, if, if they were, they would need that assistance. Yes, library.

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Request from the yes thank you.

N

Gfd cough: could you speak to three items? The amount of overtime police leaving.

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For better pay and the unfilled spots on the on the force, why why are these.

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Happening, why are we having more over time than before, wire more people, police.

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Seem to be leaving and why can't we get new police? Well, let's start with.

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Overtime there there we have more and more demands. We have more more requests.

L

If you'll remember a couple of years ago, when we had a lot of issues with.

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Homeless people downtown downtown businesses demanded that we have foot.

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Patrols so there's a lot of overtime that deal with foot patrols downtown any.

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Type of specialty assignment, there's overtime, some of it we get.

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Reimbursed for university sporting events we get reimbursed for that. A lot.

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Of times when there is a police officer sitting in this council chambers at your.

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Regular session meetings more likely and than not they're on overtime and so.

L

There's just a lot of things that a lot of requests that we get that over times.

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The way we have to do that, so we've got more demand than supply. Yes and no.

L

Sometimes the staffing levels just aren't adequate to cover everything and.

L

So it just it really just kind of depends as far as people leaving, we keep.

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A list of people who have left the department and there's a variety of.

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Reasons why people leave? We have people that have put their 20 years in and.

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Retire, we have people that you know are here for a little while and want to move.

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Back closer to wherever they're from we have people that leave and don't want to.

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Be in law enforcement anymore, and we have people that leave to take other law enforcement jobs, because it's it's a better opportunity for them. We have.

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Always tended to be kind of a stepping stone agency, we're not big enough to.

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Have all of the these specialties that a larger department has, and so, if you, if.

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You get hired here, we have many officers, that's been their entire career in.

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Patrol some people don't want to do that. Some people want other op.

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Opportunities like detectives or you know, larger agencies have full-time.

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Tactical teams, they have full-time specialty units and we don't do that and.

L

So there's a variety of reasons why people leave and then the last one was.

L

So recruiting police officers today is much different than it has been over the.

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Last ten years you can, you can just watch the news you can read in the.

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Newspaper people don't really want to be police officers anymore. There's a.

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Variety of reasons for that you know last year we spent a great deal of time.

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Discussing the armored rescue vehicle and that that's taxing on people and.

L

They don't they just get tired of it, they don't feel like they have the.

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Support and so it's hard it's getting harder, not just for us but for police.

L

Departments across the country to recruit people- it's it's not just.

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Germane to bloomington, I last fall attended a hiring and recruiting and.

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Retention seminar put on by the police executive research forum and there were.

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Police agencies from all over the country that we're talking about how they are experiencing the same problems that we are it's hard to find people.

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That want to be police officers and again some of those some of those.

L

Statistics that are some of those instances that I mentioned why people.

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Have left people don't want to remain in law enforcement? There's a lot of.

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Criticism there's a lot of second-guessing that takes its toll on.

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People the economy is fairly fairly good, so people can find other jobs. They don't.

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Necessarily have to have the security of a government job, and so there's just.

L

Lots of reasons that go into that and that's that's- affects more than just.

L

Bloomington right so follow-up is, is overtime, voluntary or they're.

N

Involuntary calls to overtime the only moment, the only mandatory overtime that.

L

We issue yearly is little 500 and we recently did it with the farmers market.

L

Right so you wouldn't really say we're at business as usual, I get the feeling.

N

We're at a point where we need to take some action, even if it's, even if everyone's having the same problem, I think there.

L

Are there are incidences that that present themselves to us that are not.

L

Normal that we're used to dealing with farmers markets a good example that.

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Required a lot of resources, so there are things that have that have happened and.

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That can that probably continue to happen that will attacks our manpower.

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Issues so doing the same thing may not be the solution. Thank you.

G

Thank you, councilmember grainger. Thank you. Go back to the question about the.

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Negotiations and having to then come to council for additional appropriations.

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Where does the money come from next year? I mean if it's not in our budget.

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Here we come from, it would come out of cash balance. Okay, thank you.

M

Thank you, councilmember boland,.

D

Yeah just follow up on the question of jurisdiction. I was a few years ago.

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Standing outside the bluebird and I saw four ie pd cars outside it, and I asked.

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An officer what was happening said well, one of our officers have to be driving.

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By and the call came in and they were the closest ones to it, they answered the.

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Call, I imagine that happens a lot more often than the reverse, where the pd are on campus and they have to answer a call. So.

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Isn't it true that I upd answers off campus calls opportunistically at a much.

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Higher rate and the opposite happens, isn't it reasonable to assume that iep.

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Deed has some place. Some nonzero measurable role in patrol iup d backs us.

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Up more than we back them up, we do not go on campus very often to background. I.

L

Mean so is that figure not factored into the I mean. I know that you sort of you.

D

Add the the compliment of iu pd patrol to be pd patrol to say that were more.

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Comfortable other cities, but I mean it does seem to me like they do, provide a.

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Certain nominal but substantial amount of coverage, so so the university yes.

L

They monitor what we do and they they will assist. But again we do not dispatch.

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For them and if they had their own issues, they're going to take care of.

L

Their own issues too, okay, thank you. Thank you.

G

Council members same birth, this would be a question for the administration. I'm.

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Not sure who, from the administration- but you know we're again we're getting.

K

Different kinds of information you know from the from the administration we're.

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Hearing that bloomington is not experiencing car any crisis and officer.

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Retention nors bloomington experiencing any.

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Unusual problem with recruitment, but then, on the other hand, we're hearing.

K

Information that that is not necessarily the case would the administration be.

K

Amenable to contracting, with some sort of outside, consulting to give us a.

K

Better idea of what is accurate and how we make decisions about appropriate.

K

Levels of staffing and what may be needed- that's not in this year's budget.

K

I mean I don't know that the salary study gets us there when we're talking.

K

About staffing levels and that's my major concern at this point I can say.

J

That the attrition rate is pretty much the same for most departments in the.

J

City, so there's nothing, there's no department, that's a big outlier.

J

Including the police, I don't know that we can commit to a consultant study, but.

J

You know, I suppose we can consider it down the road. I don't it's kind of.

J

Last-Minute in the middle of a budget proposal right- and we may not be able to.

K

Agree on anything for this year, but I mean we're still faced with we're.

K

Getting different kinds of information from different, depending on where.

K

They're you're standing that do we have a problem. Do we not have a problem, and I.

K

Think many well, I'm not going to get into a comment. I'm just I am concerned.

K

About the proper information, I would think that maybe an outside consultant.

K

Might be necessary at this point, and I would hope that would be something we.

K

Could look into thank you.

G

Do we have any further questions, counsel.

G

Comes remember, star bomb, just one last question, as this happened before, where.

N

We've got to budget, and the contract has not been worked out. Is that an unusual.

N

Occurrence, or is this business as usual? I believe since I've been back, this is.

M

The flirt the third time out of five budgets- that's happened, third time, yeah.

M

Thanks. Thank you any further questions from the council. Okay, seeing none. I have.

G

One just wondering we talked a lot about iu pd and I don't know who answers and.

G

How they might impact, is there been any such discussions with sheriff's.

G

Department, and/or indiana state police: do they have any impact on backup.

G

Assistance calls again they all the agencies in monroe county, monitor each.

L

Other's frequency- and there are occasions where they they back us up.

L

There's a case where we backed them up, so I mean the answer is yes, we do do.

L

That but that's broader stuff, that's not well! It's not howdy does not patrol.

G

That's not farmers market, that's not the county and state jurisdictions. It tends.

L

To be further out yeah that I use, I use this inside the city limits, and so it's.

L

Just more natural that iu does it, then anybody else, usually we probably back up.

L

The county more than then they back us up. Okay, thank you.

G

Councilmember, piedmont, samantha. Yes, I have a question. I think it's probably.

E

For miss shaw, looking at the language in the ordinance itself under fire in the.

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Additional pay, it says the maximum annual total for a longevity.

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Professional assignment certification and education pay is four thousand eight.

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Hundred dollars, but for police it exempts the longevity so longevity pay.

E

Is not included in the maximum $4,800. Is that what why is there that difference.

E

There's that just a matter of things and matters a contract contract, so somebody.

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Who has been on the bpd for 20 years? Every year of employment? Is a hundred.

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Dollars so they get two thousand more dollars, so the maximum additional pay.

E

They could get he's not 4800 by six thousand. Eight hundred is that right.

I

That sounds right. I don't have the contract right in front of me. I'd be.

I

Happy to confirm that, for you and get back to you, though, on it: okay, that would.

E

Still put them off against level, but anyway, thank you, councilmember, although.

G

Yeah just to explore this a little bit further. Maybe this is for miss guthrie.

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And it has to do with negotiations, I think either you or or the mayor said.

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That the offer was made, it was rejected and now the administration's in the.

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Position where you're not going to make a further offer without a request from.

A

Union representatives to meet is that correct, so, in other words, the city.

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Administration is is concluded, but is not averse to meeting again you're.

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Simply waiting for another requests from union representatives as a visit right, I.

J

Mean the party who makes the last offer can't then.

J

Say we have another offer, we'd be negotiating our own offer. I mean we're.

J

Not even sure what the discussion was at the fop and why they turned it down so.

J

Okay, so it would it be fair that then to say that you're in a position where, if a.

A

Request was made, you would then go forward in good faith and hear what an.

A

Additional quest might consist of absolutely, I think everybody wants to.

J

Get this result mm-hmm, yeah? Okay, thank you for them. Any further questions.

G

From council seeing none, we now go to the public. If anyone has any public.

G

Comments on ordinance, 1920, 19-20 good evening, paul post, president colonel, were.

P

Police law 88, I had a written statement. I was going to read, I think, there's a.

G

Sign-In sheet up there, these are not no.

P

I'm not gonna read my prepared comments. I'm gonna answer some of the questions.

P

That have come up from your questions, which I think we're very good and well.

P

Received and we appreciate hearing them, we also appreciate hearing from the.

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Mayor tonight that this is an important issue, we feel like we're running out of.

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Time in this year, we want to get a signed contract. That's why it's a very.

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Important issue to us right now: first, the question about iup d and providing.

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Service off-campus from a working point of view. The answer is yes, we do see iup.

P

D, there are thousands of iu students who live off-campus and we provide police.

P

Service to them there are thousands of iu students who live or live off-campus.

P

And go to dinner or go to a movie or crash into each other off-campus. We.

P

Provide that police service to them their parents come to town for parents.

P

Weekend we provide police service to them. That's not provided by the police.

P

Department, if it happens inside the city, it's going to be us. It's very common to.

P

Have say a motor vehicle crash where neither party is from bloomington and we.

P

Still provide that police service to them. We have to work that.

P

Because it happened inside the city limit, the iu police department is their.

P

Their full-time police department, as the chief stated they can answer a call.

P

Anywhere in the city, if they are close to something the opportunistic question.

P

That came up sure they do there. They don't generally get dispatched to our.

P

Calls or call specifically involving iu students, like I said, there's thousands.

P

Of them they live all over our city. We provide the police service to them and.

P

Those apartment complexes or theaters or where they eat out all those things same.

P

Kind of issue, mr. simms you're, talking about with the the sheriff's office or.

P

State police, if they're near something or if we do need help, we will request.

P

Help from them there are times where we run out of officers during a shift and.

P

It says you know on the screen: there's no units available and they'll call.

P

County order arise p for a crash or something like that. It happens. Mr.

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Sandberg you were asking about the the kaliya accreditation issues. One thing.

P

That I'm gonna, I'm gonna, say there is that for feedback on that I would.

P

Recommend, like we told the mayor earlier this year, look at the end of the year.

P

Employee survey that was done under kalia there was a 20 18 employees survey.

P

We took last november, a lot of the department took that survey. It was.

P

Supposed to be anonymous, it was all done online through this portal. The mayor has.

P

Seen it where there's been discussions about it, I think most of the membership.

P

Who took the survey were very frank and their answers. You may find some of those.

P

Those questions answered there. If you read those mr. baum asked about overtime.

P

Voluntary versus mandatory, I can tell you that there is a google drive list of.

P

Mandatory overtime people get held over from shifts because we don't have.

P

Coverage on the next shift and they're told they're ordered to work. The next shift. That's mandatory overtime. It is not done in a very uniform manner.

P

Certain shifts always get held over certain shifts. You just kind of make. Do.

P

So while there is, there is sort of a rule. It's not very uniform.

P

So it's their mandatory, mandatory overtime happens. Yes, most of the.

P

Overtime is you know, people signing up to work, extra shifts or iu football or.

P

Basketball traffic or something like that, but it does exist. The other thing.

P

Miss sandberg was talking about an outside contractor to study the staffing.

P

We would have no issue with that. Again, it was kind of covered. I think it's too.

P

Late for this, this contract negotiation, those answers would have been good, 18.

P

Months ago, when we started this, and it brought some of this forward, I think.

P

That would have been the time to maybe start that that idea and unfortunately,.

P

We're well past that now, if it, if it happens, going into the next, you know.

P

Three years of this contract, that's left. It may be useful for the contract that.

P

Will happen in 2022, so, yes, we would support that. I think it.

P

Would show that you know where we feel that there is a staffing issue, that the.

P

Officers feel that they are, you know, constantly overworked and having to.

P

Cover things, that's why I have like I said: I'm not gonna read my prepared.

P

Statement because I think there was a lot of good discussion that was going on here. I wanted to address some of those things we were happening. It's there.

P

Other questions, I know, we've talked to a few of you, but please let us know if we.

P

Can answer questions? Thank you. You have any further public comments. Please.

G

Approach the podium I will remind of a nice before you get started. I just want.

G

To remind everyone that all your comments should be directed to the chair, so some of these comments are fine, but just direct them, so we can keep going.

G

Q

Hello, my name is jacob woods. I am the nightshift.

Q

Representative for the bloomington police department, bargaining unit spoken.

Q

To you before on a couple occasions now, first, I want to thank the council for.

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Providing us an opportunity and a platform to speak tonight again just to.

Q

Echo some of paul's sentiments we. We do feel that there's a lot more.

Q

Issues at hand here than aren't being addressed appropriately and that's why.

Q

We continue to come forward and speak with you and we greatly appreciate the questions you've had for us tonight. I started for.

Q

The administration in regards to this proposal moving forward. Thank you.

R

Good evening my name is drew bazan on the second shift representative from bpd.

R

I'd like to talk about the recurring retention argument that we have speaking.

R

With my fellow co-workers on second shift, it seems almost weekly that we.

R

Hear about another agency having a significant raise, whether to be a.

R

Neighboring city or county and speaking with the second shift officers, it seems.

R

As though they're on kind of a standby right now seeing what happens with this.

R

Contract I've heard firsthand of people saying there's nothing that keeps me in.

R

Bloomington- and I understand that that's a lot of second shift is, are you.

R

Graduates, they are not from bloomington, they have come here to this police.

R

Department, because they've been in the area for a couple years, they have no.

R

Ties to bloomington other than this job and, as I said, they were on standby and.

R

Waiting to see how this contract is going, I fear that if this contract does.

R

Not suit them or does not meet their criteria, that this retention issue may.

R

Become worse, we may have an exodus of a significant.

R

Number of officers. Thank you.

G

Okay, any further public comments on ordinates, 19-20, okay, seeing none go back.

G

To the counsel, questions or comments from the council, councilmember sandberg.

K

I do not think it is appropriate for this council to be involved in any way.

K

With the collective bargaining agreement, I feel very strongly as someone who is.

K

Very much pro labor and pro union. This is a due process that takes place.

K

Between the bpd and their their representatives and the administration.

K

So again, I think that is a kind of a separate issue from some of the others.

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That have been raised in you know. I think this is kind of an unprecedented.

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Time that we're in where we have heard so much from the rank-and-file from the.

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Bpd from them coming forward and really expressing to us on a personal level, both through emails that we've received.

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And in the various times, they've addressed this body and even before the.

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Bpd representatives came into this chambers and we're sharing their.

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Concerns with us, I think many of us up here on this council have been.

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Questioning for a long time do we have the adequate levels of officers to.

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Address some of the increasing stresses and strains that we've all had to deal.

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With and I think chief d coffey mentioned one- we were dealing with the.

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Crisis on kirkwood, we have an opioid crisis. That is not. You know unusual for.

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Other cities and national crises we have obviously with a university in our myths.

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We have those added strains of the additional population that iu brings and.

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Then, of course, the recent stresses with the farmers market and even before that.

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And I go back to the cert vehicle, the critical incident response team.

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Vehicle that caused such an emotional and such a concern in this community. I.

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Have had concerns about the morale and the well-being of our officers since.

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That debate and being concerned about do we have the right mechanisms in place to.

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Make sure that our police floors are well trained, well, disciplined and well.

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Cared for with respect to having time off being well rested having time with.

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Family, I strongly believe in work-life balance, and so my issue, while salary is.

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Being negotiated by the appropriate mechanism, I am questioning the staffing.

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Levels and our our ability to meet the needs of the officers which we are.

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They're critical to our ability to deliver what the community needs with.

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Respect to responding to crime, responding to problems where we need.

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Sworn well-trained officers and I highly respect our efforts to relieve some of.

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These social tensions that I've referred to through additional social workers and.

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Specialty officers and the dr.oz those downtown resource officers very proud of.

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That, I think that's wonderful, but I want to make it clear. There is no substitute.

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For having well-trained well-cared-for police officers- and so I am strongly.

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Suggesting that if we can't come to an agreement between what we're being told.

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By the administration and what we're hearing from the rank-and-file, I think.

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It might be time for an outside consultant to take a look and give us.

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Some clear idea of where we are where we stand and what our needs are for that I.

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Understand this is kind of late in the game. We're probably not going to be able.

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To make too many significant changes at this point, but I I will probably be.

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Passing tonight, just in the hope that more can be done to kind of clarify some.

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Of these issues, that are, that are certainly still still wrestling with me.

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Given we don't seem, we seem to be at an impasse and.

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That tells me we still have some issues, so we need to take a look at to make.

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Sure that we are doing the right thing by our community and by the very people.

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Who put their lives on the line to protect us in this community? Thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember rollo. I think this topic certainly has received a.

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Great deal of concern by members of the council and regarding the lack of.

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Contract it seems that there was a lot of active act of negotiating if there.

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Were 16 offers or counter offers involved? It seems that the impasse, if it.

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Was as close as a five-digit figure seems resolvable. The ball, it seems, is in.

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The union's court, since the administration has made an offer and and.

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A request for another meeting is is up to the union and I would encourage them.

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To do that and I'll repeat what I said since may.

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Because I still believe this that it would be well served if we added.

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Officers such that we at least keep parity with population increase in the.

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City notwithstanding that figures showing crime dipping right now, but I.

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Just think that, with a reflection of the over time, whether it's voluntary or.

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Involuntary seems to me to speak toward more and more work to do that requires.

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People working after hours, so so I think that that's something that we should.

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Continue focusing on and.

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I'm aware of some details, I'm I agree with the councilmember sandberg that.

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Were not in a position where we negotiate salaries at the council level.

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So I would leave it to the administration and they seem to be.

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Willing now to accept a request, it in good faith to proceed, and so I hope that.

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That happens and I hope that it's resolved because I'm I work. We are very.

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Concerned about about where this stands at this point so I'll leave it at that.

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Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember boland.

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Yeah we've discussed the idea before that. If we added the sworn officer force.

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Of ie pd to bpd, we would be closer to comparable with other cities, and this is.

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A problem in every college town, where the university has its own force, I mean.

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My preference- and I said it many times in this chamber with that our friends.

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From the state would not indulge in municipal functions, they shouldn't have.

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Their own police force any more than they have their own bus system and we.

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Can see that this is an option that universities pick and choose from.

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Because they don't have their own fire department, they contract with us. What I.

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Mean think of the flexibility that we would have from a staffing standpoint if.

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All of iu pd were rolled into one force. It would be much I mean the more people.

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They were there it'd be easier to schedule. You know, and I know.

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Universities that have no city near them that have all their own functions, but I.

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Certainly, don't think that I mean they're that sort of a problem of why.

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Universities, locate the middle of nowhere or what have you.

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One other thing that's come up to me, though, could have come to my thoughts.

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Thinking about this is even if we were, if the council had the authority to.

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Increase salaries, which we don't by state law, we can only cut the budget. We.

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Can't increase it, the increase has to be initiated by the administration. Would I.

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Am confused about the the desire for more pay versus the.

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Desire for more staff, because in my first term when mayor kruzan was in his.

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First term, their administration made a commitment to increasing staff by two a.

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Year until we got 16 more officers- and that happened by early this decade- and I.

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Don't I can't quite tell you know what what the balance is between these two.

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Sort of wishes- and I also think that that maybe that's not a part of.

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Negotiation, it's only about salary at the union negotiation, but even now, I'm.

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Having trouble determining how important it is to add more officers, as opposed to.

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Adding salary to all current officers, so I you know, I'm looking forward to.

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Learning more about this issue, I'd like to to talk to both members of the.

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Administration and the police union to better understand it, because even now,.

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These things aren't clear: I do think that the union has made at least some.

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Case that we are falling behind and I'm sensitive to that, I do think the.

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Administration has made some points that show that we're not as far behind as as.

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We might fear so I can see why there's an impasse, but I not afraid to spend a.

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Little bit more money, and I don't think we should be. I just I agree with my.

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Colleagues that it wouldn't even be right, even if we wanted to to be.

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Involved with negotiations, but I certainly take the concerns of the the.

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Rank-And-File of the force seriously, and I also am concerned about making sure.

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That we don't overspend so I wish I had better answers right now. I'm going to.

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Pass on this budget, thank you councillor, mike repeat, bond smith.

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Yes, I'd like to remind my colleagues that we are discussing ordinance, 1920.

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Which fixes the salaries of police and fire departments.

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It's not until appropriation ordinance, 1905 setting the civil city budget that.

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We would be addressing the number of officers that would be funded in 2020, so.

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As many of my colleagues said, you know we're not on the negotiating team. We're.

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We can't insert ourselves into that process, but it is. It is curious to me.

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That you know I talked to the administration about the figures that.

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The fop provided of the base pay in other cities and they said it's not.

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Comparable and what I'd really like to know, okay, somebody bring me the.

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Comparable numbers, so we can really see if, if it's true that the bloomington.

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Police department makes a lot less than comparable cities, so I mean I that would.

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Take a lot of work. You'd have to look at the ordinances such as this one and see.

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You know what officers can make in addition to base pay and such, but seems.

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To me, that's what needs to be done at some point in the future so that we can.

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Really see whether the salary offer that the city is proposing is fair. I think.

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That the the question of whether we need more police or not, I will you know, talk.

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About that under appropriation ordinance, not you know five that has many.

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Variables, I don't think that's a black-and-white issue either, but just I.

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Did want to address one thing that the mayor said in his opening comments where.

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He had the chart saying how much the investment of the city in public safety.

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Had increased, I think it was 37% in the last five years. I wanted to point out.

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That, since the 2017 budget, we've had a new revenue source, so a big part of that.

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Is because we now have a public safety, local income tax, so.

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I don't think the administration can really take credit for that other than.

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Having supported that text, so I, despite that, I do think that everybody involved.

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In in this negotiation respects what police officers do I I have tremendous.

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Respect for people who put their jobs on the line every day, their lives on the.

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Line every day for us- and I think it's it's a very stressful job and personally.

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If I need a police officer, I don't want one who is working two shifts and has.

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Overworked and doesn't get enough sleep the night before you know. I want one who.

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Is well rested and and candid dedicate their whole attention to the situation.

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At hand so I am concerned about the situation. I think what what I can do is.

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Councilmember is very limited. I hope that the contract negotiations.

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Can be resolved soon? I think it is not a way good way to do business to say you.

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Know we'll just do this appropriation or do this ordinance now and then worry.

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About appropriating more money from reserves later that's doesn't seem like.

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A very smart way to govern, but I know that nobody intended that starting out.

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So I guess that's all I have to say at this point, I'm very concerned about the.

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Situation with the salaries, but um there's not a whole lot. I can do at this.

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Point, thank you. Thank you. Councilmembers starbomb yeah. This would be a different.

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Night and a shorter meeting if the administration had come in and said, we.

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Have settled this contract and the police have come in and said we're happy.

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With this contract and well, we all go on to next ordinance and move along, but I.

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Didn't how it is and that didn't what happened, and I get the impression this.

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Is not business as usual? We have new problems, we have homeless, we have drug.

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Issues and when we are understaffed, we have.

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Issues that can't be addressed, that there's no paperwork for things that.

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Don't happen but they're issues that don't get resolved because we don't have.

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Enough people sometimes so I don't think it's business as usual. I think we I.

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Think we do have a morale problem and I think it's dangerous to go three years.

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Ahead with a contract that doesn't address those that doesn't create a.

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Positive response from the police force that doesn't give incentive for people.

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And say this is where I want to work. This is a good place to be this, where I.

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Don't want to leave, you know, that's that's an outcome. That's an intangible.

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In how we negotiate not how much can we control this? How much can we keep it.

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Down, but can we listen and say these people these workers, these police, these.

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Servants they deserve to be treated fairly, and this should be settled. This.

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Shouldn't be coming to council out like this, and we shouldn't be hearing these.

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Issues they should have been settled before it got here, so I'm gonna pass and.

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I'm gonna want to see this get settled and I want to see it cut. Morale increase.

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In the city- and I want to see- I wanna see this fixed right, not play games with.

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The future gamble into the next three years with the wrong the wrong numbers.

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The wrong situation for for our future. So thank you all for speaking to us and.

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Let's get this fixed. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember otto has a brief question.

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Just a brief question, mr. underwood, regarding the graph indicating the 737.

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Percent increase over. I think it was five years six years, something like that.

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In public safety, I understood that this did not include the lid council, murphy.

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Months misstated, it does, could you clarify, it does include funding from the ps lit. It does include the lid okay.

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All right, thank you, recommend you pass. Second, thank you. You've done your left.

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To your right, starting on my left, please yes, pass.

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Yes, pass pass, pass, that's a zero! The one zero seven.

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Thank you. Next item on the agenda is ordinance. 1921 we've asked mr. shaw.

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Again, director of human resources to be present- and this ordinance is an.

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Ordinance fixing the salaries of appointed officers non-union and f's me.

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Afscme employees for all the departments of the city of bloomington, monroe, county.

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Indiana for the year 2020, miss shaw, ordinance, 1921 sets 2020 pay grades and.

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Salary ranges for appointed officers non-union and asked me employees.

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Consistent with prior years, we intend a 2% increase in civil city salaries.

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Salary ranges associated with civil city pay grades have been adjusted, the.

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Ordinance ordinance to reflect the 2% increase, labor trades and crafts pay.

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Rates which will increase a 2.25 percent according to the collective bargaining.

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Agreement between the city and ask me in 2017, administration and corporation in.

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Cooperation of the city council determined to increase the common law.

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Minimum rates pay rates for the following over the following years to at.

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Least the living wage in 2020, which is set at 1320 what next year.

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Section 2.2 p provided askme employees a contract, ratification bonus at the end.

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Of 2019 that, since this is a one-time bonus, this section has been removed from.

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The ordinance longevity recognition and award amounts remain the same as they.

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Were in 2019, along with with any rates for additional pay for dispatch, trainers.

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And pay allotted in accordance with the apps' me union, collective bargaining.

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Agreement position and great changes from the current salary ordinance or I'm.

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Gonna explain those actually, I will go over the you've. Read them. You've.

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Received my memo goes over it a lot more detail, but I will hit the highlights and.

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Be happy to answer more question if you would like and also I would like to remind you that during budget hearings, each department head, who has been.

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Offered a new position spoke to that during their presentation. Firstly, an.

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Economic and sustainable development they're adding a special projects.

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Manager as a grade 8 cost, the fiscal impact of this is 882 thousand dollars.

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Less the cost savings of paying for fewer contractor hours, no legal.

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Department they're adding another assistant city attorney, which is a grade 10, and this will allow the an existing attorney to completely dedicate their.

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Time to utilities matters the physical impact that this is a little over a.

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Hundred thousand dollars in the parks and recreation department were requested.

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Adding two additional working for persons at grade 108: these are afscme.

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Positions, first of all, the switchyard park, which.

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We're all very excited about needs, a working for person to help manage of.

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That park and then secondly, they're working for time working for a person.

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Dedicated to landscaping our city's natural areas and urban green spaces, so.

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Respectably, I believe, combine those two jobs are valued about 130, 132 thousand.

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Dollars it's a total fiscal impact in public works. They have an immediate need.

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For side work, project management and many other projects, they also need an.

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Operational support, so a new position has been created, gradate the title of.

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Special projects, manager, special projects and operations manager, the.

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Fiscal impact of this job is around 80 mm. Now utilities department has several.

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New positions I'll hit the highlights on those it's data analysts for grade 7.

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Physical impact of $78,000, an environmental program, specialists.

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Replacing temporary positions which, which is a grade six and a physical.

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Impact around seventy five thousand minus the cost savings for temporary.

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Employees who've been doing some of that work or much of that work. The dillman.

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Plan is adding another wastewater plant operator. Another that's an ass knee.

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Position as well grade 106, this will help with the burden with 24/7 operation.

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The cost of that is around sixty six thousand dollars and finally, it's part.

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Of a green infrastructure initiative, which I know we've talked about before dr. kelson- has spoken of it before there's additional line person, I get a.

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National position that grade grade to 110 and a laborer grade 104 the physical.

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Impact of those both of those jobs is about sixty seven thousand dollars and.

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Sixty five thousand dollars respectively. Now we have some. As you know, we always.

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Have a few changes housekeeping changes to existing positions in the mayor's office? I skipped one and the mayor's office.

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Administrative coordinator has been downgraded from a grade five to.

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For there's no fiscal impact to that position was vacant when we did it. So no.

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Fiscal impact we adjusted the salary accordingly and then in the cfr d.

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Community and family resources, the office manager was graded previously.

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Great as a five, but actually is more of a grade three based on responsibilities.

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There's no physical impact there either and then in the parks and recreation.

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Department, our community relations manager, which was previously at grade.

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Seven has moved to a grade eight, the fiscal impact of that is it all around.

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Around six thousand dollars and then more about utilities engineering they.

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Had a position it's been vacant, I think almost the entire time, since it was.

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Created, maybe the entire time and then engineering technician, which was a grade.

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Five, they realized that the requirements were too difficult to recruit people to.

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That position, so we they change the position. It's now at grade, eight and.

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Call the capital projects coordinator physical impact of that changes around.

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Nine thousand dollars and I'm almost to the end, I promise there's some other.

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Housekeeping changes one affecting the each I'm sure you're, aware of the office.

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Of the common council they're an assist, an administrator legal research.

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Assistant has increased their hours by four hours a week and that's have gone.

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From 0.65 ft, two point two point: eight. I believe I think I may be looking at the.

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Wrong member of an old draft, but it's point: eight ft, but an overall fiscal.

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Impact of around seven thousand dollars, I'm I'm fit. Thank you. We worked on those.

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Numbers but I'm parent lee have an old copy of my memo here and then finally,.

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Are not finally, the fires, logistics officer as a matter of housekeeping was.

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Honors civil city ordinance and that's moving to the public safety ordinance.

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Human resources we've had a couple of title changes or better reflect what.

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People are doing, but is our benefits. Manager is now just called the benefits.

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Manager and the manager of workers, compensation and hr administrative.

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Functions which is quite a mouthful, is now called the office manager in public.

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Works and animal care and control we've increased part-time hours for great ones,.

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Of one of six positions also have speed positions to full-time at their request.

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And we've also bumped the hours of an outreach coordinator to full-time.

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Physical impact of those changes are forty thousand dollars and thirteen.

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Thousand dollars respectively, I'm really close to the end. I promise okay and then.

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To two positions in public works street are getting title changes to better.

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Reflect their work signal lighting specialist now the street maintenance.

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Supervisor and the signs and marking specialist is now the traffic manager.

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Also in public works, since we were adding a special project.

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And operations manager grade 108. The current special projects manager is.

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Being retitled coordinator, special projects coordinator, that's and that's more in line with other positions in the ordinance and in utilities, tnd.

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Just does I can't believe we had missed this. One secretary is now caught an.

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Administrative assistant, which we feel is much more appropriate. These are all.

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The changes for this particular ordinance, I'm happy to answer any questions at this time. Thank you very much I'll start off this time with.

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Questions pleasure: you gave us different numbers on a fiscal impact. Do you do by.

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Chance adam: what's the overall fiscal impact, do you mr. shermin, we we talked.

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About that so so I'm always guard about giving an overall fiscal impact, because.

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There's so many things that factored in and actually take away from the actual.

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Costs like the temporary employees or replacing we could use factors. We could.

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Just take the numbers of everything you cite it and based on that, what's the.

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Fiscal impact overall fiscal impact, I believe, mr. chairman, did you put a.

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Number in your- I don't have that in my memo. I got that to you, though. I'm happy.

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To get it to you, I can probably run to my office and look at the spreadsheet and call you right back. I just like to hear it. I mean I'm.

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Hearing all these and I'm sorry, I didn't get the caracal didn't. Do it myself.

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Okay, oh mr. sherman has a number for you. I do have a figure based upon the.

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Estimates provided by miss shaw, and these are for the additional positions.

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And the additional hours and the upgrades- and it was in the $800,000.

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Range: eight hundred and twenty nine thousand five hundred and seventy nine.

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Dollars is what I came up to, but there is the kavya. I heard you heard from miss.

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Sean that is it. These figures, do not reflect the cost savings due to.

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Reduction in hours and what you'll see in the material is that they're going.

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There they're hiring regular help and having less temporaries, and so they say.

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We're not even counting the savings, but they all know that at the end of the.

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Year but with that said, approximately one hundred twenty-nine thousand six.

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Hundred six hundred dollars, this does not include the three year phase-in of.

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Increasing the pay for the lowest paid workers, and- and so that's that's not.

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Included in this number, okay at some point for this budget, I want to know.

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What you say it with taken away everything else he said, and what is the.

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Fiscal impact at some point it is probably lower than what are we saying.

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Just something that interest me so, okay and we'll take. Thank you we'll take.

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More questions from council starting council members star ball. I understood.

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Parkes was it adding two positions to oversee overnight or supervision, but.

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Would that have showed up in this discussion or I'm just aware of two.

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Additional working for persons- okay, but there there has been some discussions.

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About other possible things, we're thinking about for the future years, but.

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I'm not familiar with anything for this current year unless it's being handled.

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With temporaries okay, I can look into that, though,.

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Thank you, councilmember of olan, yes, councillor sims. This question has piqued.

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My interest- I was gonna, say this really isn't number we should know, but because.

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We don't know the reductions and see from savings. I can see that, but we do.

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Know last year's number: what I'd like to know is how much would you ask for that.

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Was net increase before savings and how much savings was there? I mean if you.

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Want us to evaluate this request, we can't really do it without some hard.

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Data and you have it- you may not have it tonight, but I would expect that you.

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Would can you get that? Yes, yes, spreadsheet on that, and do you have that.

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Number I think that he's talking about last 2018, yes, okay, right.

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So you know just go 12 months back and tell us what you asked for last year and.

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How much and I mean what what turned out to be the total net increase after.

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You've got reversions; let's call it that okay from reversion savings, whatever it.

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Was you made an ask last year just like she's making now or I would say ms shaw.

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You asked that so do you and I mean I only make sure it are you talking only.

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New position requests: are you talking overall for personnel? Well, so we just.

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Heard you present the number of changes that you all are proposing. That's a.

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Certain cost mr. shermin estimates it at $830,000. We don't know how much we're.

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Gonna save as a result of these changes, but you did make a similar proposal last.

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Year, I don't know what that's what it was, but we all have all the savings in.

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From that, what was that figure is that it did not hit an unreasonable request.

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No, not when your mr. underwood, it's not unreasonable at all, except even that.

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Well, very closely, together to do yes, yes yeah, I mean, I think, that we.

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Should see that before we can fully evaluate this, that's a request. Thank you.

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Councilmember granger, thank you so basically we're talking about a 2%.

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Increase but the ask me is 2.5: just a minute ago she ate at a contract at the.

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End of last year and may work location, negotiate a rate of 2.25 percent 2.25. I.

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Knew I read those yes right. Yes, thank you, councilmember, piedmont, smith. Yes, I.

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Was reviewing the are, they called common law positions and I'm very pleased to.

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See that we're now all of them are now up to the living wage. I'm curious, though,.

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About to the crossing guard, so their minimum is $23 a day. I'm.

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Thinking that they work at least two hours so at the most they're making. What.

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1150 an hour which is not our living wage, so somebody speak to that. I am. I.

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Don't remember, I remember looking for this. Last year we hit the living wage discussion and questioning the same way and.

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Today we can get back to you on that to confirm that. That's why the best way to.

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Handle it, I don't I remember when I did the math last year, it wasn't, it wasn't.

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It was still okay, but I can double check on that and remind me why chief decaf.

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Would know this, are they affiliated with all the parking enforcement actually.

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Someone's dead, I believe right parking enforcement under the police department.

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Hires crossing guards- I did not know that. Yes, please get back to me on that.

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Okay I'll be happy to thank you any further question from council seeing.

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None going to the public. Do we have any public comment, seeing none going back to.

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Comments of council councilmember rallo: this is the appropriate place to refer.

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To what the mayor introduced since we didn't have questions or comments on the.

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Climate action- I think several of us spoke in favor of several of us booked.

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In favor of a dedicated person who would take on the effort to reduce carbon.

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Emissions as per our commitment and as the mayor said, it does constitute a.

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Daunting task of three four or five percent per year to get to our goal. It's.

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Not reflected in this budget, I I continue believing that this is a very.

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Needed position just doing a little thumbnail sketch I mean you know if we.

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Are if we're going to reduce carbon emissions, we have to reduce energy use.

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Commensurate with that, in order to work for it to reflect a decline in emissions.

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There will be some marginal effect from sequestration. We will have some shift.

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For to renewables so we'll be part of our energy diet.

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Although we're not, you know, we have to do it ourselves since we're not using.

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Hydro or much solar from duke or nuclear here and then so it's a it's a daunting.

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Task just in terms of that shift, I know we've benefited from a shift to.

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Natural gas, but then I think we need to dig deeper and really determine if.

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That's clean or not because it studies show there's a lot of leakage.

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From frank, gas wells and methane is much more, it's a much more potent greenhouse.

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Gas than co2, so that shift from coal and natural gas isn't a bit in question and.

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Then you've got all the players of the community, we're not just talking about.

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The city reducing its emissions, we're talking about the university private.

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Sector nonprofits neighborhoods the whole population of bloomington, reducing.

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Its emissions, even as we add population, because we want to be at net zero by.

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2050 we're going to be growing as a city, so that means their challenge is even.

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Greater so all of this, it seems to me, really require somebody whose full.

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Duties is to to make that effort and to assume responsibility, and especially at.

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Budget time, when we ask have we met our carbon emissions goal and if so, you know.

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What are our successes, what our failures and what can we do about it? Otherwise, if.

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It's dispersed to a number of people, just I fear that it will not. It will as.

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It's everyone's responsibility: it's no one's responsibility in a sense, so I.

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Wanted to just make that pitch, I don't see it in this budget. I truly hope that.

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We can make our 4 or 5% emissions decline by the time we meet next year.

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And I'd like to again to lobby for that position because I think it's needed.

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Any further counsel countenance councilmember granger, I'm going to.

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Follow my colleagues lead and note that there is no additional officer for the.

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Police department- I'm gonna, say it now I'll say it under.

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Preparation ordinance, 19, 0 5. This is something that we've been asking for for.

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Years years and we get a fight every year and I'm not quite sure why it it.

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Bothers me, I don't I hate to see our police officers overworked. I hate to.

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Think about who's out there trying to help us, and I I I just feel like there's.

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A lack of maybe a communication between the mayor and city council. I know he's.

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Calling certain people to encourage them to you know, understand what he's saying.

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About the police and that's his prerogative- and he has is his view, but I.

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Am just concerned that we're not that you know usually when I think about.

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Negotiations, I think of it as a back-and-forth, but there hasn't been any.

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Back and forth for years with us and I'm really going to try to work with.

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Administration to get more of a back-and-forth we've given up a lot. I.

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Think over the past not a lot. I shouldn't say that I think that that we.

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Have have approved all of his budgets in the past few years and have really not.

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Gotten a lot in return- and this is something that concerns me, so I'm just.

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Going on record as that's why I will be passing on this one.

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Thank you, councilmember ruff,.

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The administration on more than one occasion that I think the position of.

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The innovation director at this point in human history hands-down the most.

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Important innovation is to be dedicated, to doing all would possibly can to fight.

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Climate change- and I was not I'm certainly interested in- and I understand.

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That the administration is is concerned and dedicated to this issue, but and the.

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Time wasn't there to necessarily create that position, possibly this. This.

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Go-Around, but that to use that innovation, director position.

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Somehow, in some way to make a major step towards climate action goals or that.

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Somehow have have some form of assurance that that would happen, and, and I haven't.

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Really I haven't received that I'm gonna, so I'm going to be passing on on this.

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One tonight, thank you, councilmember piedmont spent. Yes, I want a second. What.

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My colleagues councilmember ruffin councilmember rollo, have stated I'll.

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Just read my written proposal that I'd sent to the mayor's office a few weeks.

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Ago, and that resulted in some discussions but no commitments, the 2020.

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City budget should include funds for a full-time position of director of.

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Climate action and sustainability reporting directly to the mayor and.

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Having the same authority as the department heads, this position should be.

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In addition to, and not in place of, the current position of assistant director.

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For sustainability in the department of economic and sustainable development, the.

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Current assistant, director of sustainability, could either continue.

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Working in esd or work instead directly under the new director of climate action.

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And sustainability, the climate action and sustainability position is crucial.

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To upholding the city's commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in.

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Bloomington and to implement new, more stringent commitments, as called for in the october 2018 ipcc report, not only our more staff.

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Hours needed than are currently available to address climate change, but.

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The person cordoning these efforts must have the director of the mayor and, as.

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Much clout internally, as any other department head, reducing greenhouse gas.

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Emissions will require strong and lasting commitments, not only from all.

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City departments, but also from the private sector, and only a high-ranking.

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City, government leader would have the clout to bring together the major.

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Players such as corporations and nonprofits in our community only someone.

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With a high level of skills and experience could have success in this.

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Challenging endeavor funding for this new position could come from a.

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Refocusing of the director of innovations portfolio from a reduction.

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Or elimination of the residential curbside leafing program or from a.

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Combination of other cuts, but it is essential that the city have such a.

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Position both to fulfill its obligations and to enlist the private sector in.

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Reducing emissions: this is one of the more modest claims or demands that the.

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Climate strikers issued to the mayor last friday and I think it is imperative.

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That we create and fill this position as soon as possible.

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If only to meet the goals that we've already stated that we're going to meet.

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Because we just don't have enough staff time currently to do that. So while I.

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Appreciate what the mayor has done towards sustainability? I also appreciate.

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And agree with him that it's not enough and we need this director of climate.

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Action sustainability in our budget as soon as possible.

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So I do not see that listed in this particular ordinance.

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Nor is it budgeted for in the civil city budget which we'll discuss next and so.

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At this point, I'm voting no thank you, council, member boland.

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Yeah, I think that the same concern I had about the police and fire budget applies.

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To this one too, but I wanted to point out to my colleagues that and to the.

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Public in general, just a reminder: again: we don't set the budget. Our colleagues.

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In the county, the county council, that's all they do is the fiscal work and even.

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The commissioners who are strangely the executive and the legislative combined.

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Must go hat in hand to the county council for all their funding, whereas.

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Here the administration sets the budget, we can only cut it well, we actually have.

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Two options: we can cut the budget and areas where we think it should be either.

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Because we don't agree with the way that spending is done or because we want to.

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See spending somewhere else or we can reject the budget wholesale, which would.

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Refer to us to last year's dollars, and I don't think anyone really wants that.

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It's kind of a nuclear option. There's reason why we go over a budget every.

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Year because priorities change every year, but I haven't quite heard that yet.

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From my colleagues any kind of actual I mean the the: if we really want to see a.

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Change, we must be prepared to vote no on the budget or to to to cut a budget in.

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Order to get some one aspect of the budget in order to get the.

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Administration to comply with our expectations, and so the fact that I'm.

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Not hearing it makes me think that.

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Various members of this body are not as serious as they claim, and I don't mean.

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To say, put up or shut up; on the contrary, I am not sure how I feel and that's why.

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I'm glad we're having this debate, but I do agree with everyone.

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Who's spoken so far that our concerns aren't reflected in the proposal as.

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Presented- and I don't think we've heard enough yet for the administration to.

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Believe that our concerns will be allayed, so I hope that I'm gonna pass on.

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This budget as well, because I share those concerns, I'm not sure what the.

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Right answer is, I just know that there's a disconnect right now and I don't want.

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To say, that's unusual we've been able to make that concern every year, but it's.

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Not common, like we, the past couple three years, we've had much more agreeable.

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Budgets, I think, and I've heard praise for many of my colleagues for the budget.

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That was eventually passed, so I hope that the administration will take this.

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In the spirit that it's offered, but I also hope that my colleagues will offer.

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Some kind of concrete: what's the word, I'm looking for.

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Consequence if the administration does not meet your expectations. Thank you.

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Thank you any further comments from the council. Okay, I'll make a final comment.

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um This ordinance 19-21 all right plan to.

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Vote, yes and I will support it, but like many of my colleagues, there is somewhat.

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Of a hesitation, but mine is with the fiscal impact, the overall every item not.

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So much tonight as we go through the process, there's going to be certain requests. Many of them are going to be increased. We hear about adding to the.

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Police department, we add about the possibility of some take home cars. I.

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Mean none of this is in concrete, but these are things that we hear and talk about. I hear about sidewalks every week almost.

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We do, I think, this climate sustainability director, many of my.

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Colleagues think we need that and I think the innovation director, if I don't.

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Get any more innovative than a create funding source to provide for a position.

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That you want, but make no mistake. My overall concern is the impact on the.

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Taxpayer, I'm sorry the investment brokers, we normally say tax payers, but.

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It is an investment in our local government, but those are many of my.

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Concerns- and I don't want us to price ourselves even out of some of the.

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Markets that we're already out of due to certain incomes of our populations, so I.

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Just want to keep all that relative so to speak, and hopefully we can get some.

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Other things done and there will be cuts, as some of my other colleagues say that.

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I think, in order for us to maintain our favorable income, tax rates and property.

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Rates and all those things which we all want as compared to other cities in the.

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State, I think we have to really look at some things in order to maintain that so.

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Do we just don't price other folks out of our own bloomington existence, so.

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Having said that, are we ready to consider a do pass recommendation move.

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To pass recommend you pass yeah. Thank you. We'll start on our right. This time.

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No! No! Yes, ass ass! Yes, that's two yeses to pass to nose and.

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Four passes to to four.

G

Thank you. Next item is ordinance 19-22. It is to fix the salaries of all elected.

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City officials, for the city of bloomington for the year 2020 and once.

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More, we get the pleasure of hearing from miss shaw director of human resources.

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Thank you, councilmember ordinance, 1922 sets the maximum 2020 salaries for city.

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Of bloomington elected officials, which includes the mayor city, councilmembers,.

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And the city clerk, as you know, the mayor in the city council chose to defer any.

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Adjustments from the salary benefits survey survey until at the 2019 general.

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Election council members, salary in 2020 will be.

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Eighteen thousand three hundred seven, which is the same as same salaries if.

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All members elected to receive the adjustment recommended by the survey.

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Back in 2017 over the three years, the mayor has chosen to implement only.

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One-Third of his recommended adjustment on the mayor's 2020 salary before him.

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One hundred fourteen thousand five hundred fifty eight dollars and consistent with the current ordinance ordinance 1922, also a science and.

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Ditional one thousand dollars per year for the city council president and a.

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Hundred dollars per year for the council vice-president doing additional responsibilities incurred in those roles. Your approval for this ordinance is.

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Requested and I'm happy to ask any answer, any questions at this time.

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Thank you. Do we have any questions from my council members to trustee arm.

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Council members to bar no okay, seeing none do we have any from the public.

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Seeing none we'll go back to comments from my council colleagues councilmember.

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Pete moss smith.

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Yeah, I just want to to say I know that most members of the public only see us.

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At the most once a week here on wednesday evenings, but there is an awful.

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Lot of behind the scenes work that council members do it's about 20 hours, a.

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Week, sometimes more, and so I think the salary adjustment is fair, even if I were.

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Not coming back for another term in january, I just think it's reflective of.

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The amount of work that we do and the the high level of work and the important.

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Decisions that we have to grapple with- it's not easy for any of us up here and.

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It takes a lot more time than one might think.

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So I'm happy to vote for this. I hope it is not perceived. As you know, those of us.

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Who have been reelected as voting to line our own pockets? If anybody would.

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Like to you know, shadow me for a week and see all the work I do, I would.

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Welcome that, thank you. Thank you, councilmember, although just a.

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Remind I agree with what councilman matt smith said, but just remind that this is.

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A consequence of a sailor study that was done a couple of years ago and in salary.

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Adjustments were made, except for elected officials until the.

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Election year, and so we we've been deferring those increases until this.

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Year and thus now we're we're voting on the salary for next year,.

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Many of those who deferred will not actually see the benefits of that which.

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Is a shame because it does require a lot of work and my colleagues who aren't.

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Coming back next year are going to be, you know, have have done it for a.

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Discount rate, I suppose so I appreciate that.

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But it's the right thing to do so that we're within the range of most cities.

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Our size, thank you. Thank you. My comment is, I probably won't comment on the.

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Discount rate comment: okay, are we ready to consider a do pass recommendation.

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We'll start on our left this time? Yes, yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes, yes, 8, 0, 0! Thank you.

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I think we might be done with you, michelle yeah, all right. Our next item is.

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Appropriation ordinance, 19-0 5. This is an ordinance for appropriation.

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Appropriations and tax rates establishing 2020 civil city budget for.

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The city of bloomington and mr. jeff underwood city controller good evening.

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Jeff underwood city controller again would like to thank my staff and.

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Department heads that have worked very hard on this budget this. This is a.

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Balanced budget, it's also a continuation and taking the next step for program.

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Budgets- and it just to remind you all for this year, we did add populations.

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Served to that as well, some other changes that were asked for by the.

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Council, I just want to remind everybody that what you're seeing tonight is a.

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Different format completely in august, we do more detail budgets with memos and.

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They're actually program budgets, as we go to the formal adoption. There is one.

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Document that you approve an appropriation ordinance that is listed.

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By funding and then shows those funds that have a tax levy and the anticipated.

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Anticipated tax rate for that, as a reminder, should you approve this budget.

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It then gets submitted to the department of local government.

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Finance and then they have the responsibility to put the final approval.

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On that and issue, a budget order, which is mandated to be done by the end of the.

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Year, we do have a few days that we can respond to any changes that they might.

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Make they do get the last swipe at it, so any changes to revenue estimates can.

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Impact those budgets and then make changes to that. As stated, that said, I'm.

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Happy to report, for the first time since I've been presenting budgets, which I.

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Believe this is my 19th or 20th. There were no changes between august and today.

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So the information that we presented in august I'm going to cover quickly again.

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For you to hit the highlights and then we'll be available to ask any questions.

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In addition, the one thing that did happen between the hearings and this.

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Evening was the council did submit a number of questions in writing and the.

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Administration did respond to those as well, so that said, cash reserves. We ended.

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2018 with reserves in the city's general fund and the rainy day fund of fifty.

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Point nine percent of the actual expenditures for 2018 to put this in.

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Perspective this would allow us to pay for approximately six months worth of.

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The city's general fund expenditures with if we didn't receive any other.

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Revenues we're projecting those levels to be thirty. Nine point: one percent at.

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The end of this year and thirty five point: eight percent at the end of 2020.

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Again exceeding our target of four years four months in reserves: revenues for the.

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General fund, the property taxes continue to be the most significant funding.

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Mechanism for that, the city's general fund parks general fund, the cumulative.

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Capital development fund, as well as several of our bond obligations and the.

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C's general fund property tax represents about fifty one point. Two percent of the.

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Total revenues and the state has estimated this source of revenue will.

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Increase by half percent for 2020 and just a.

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Reminder that we are given this by the state, it's based on a seven year, rolling.

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Average of non-farm income statewide, so every unit of government that receives.

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Property taxes, regardless of the economics that there they see themselves.

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In we all receive the same growth quotient, the next highest in the general.

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Fund is local income tax. These are broken out into three categories.

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Distributive shares public safety and economic development. The city's general.

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Fund receives distributive shares, and this represents about twenty five point.

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Nine percent of the total revenues for the city's general fund. We also receive.

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Public safety lit and I'll discuss those in a moment.

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And then finally miscellaneous revenues: these are revenues such as fees for.

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Services for fines, interest income, miscellaneous revenues and.

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Reimbursements from state and federal government they represent about.

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Twenty-Two point: nine percent of the revenues for expenditures the overall.

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Total budget, not including utilities or transit as a request, is ninety eight.

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Million six hundred and sixty one thousand dollars, which is an increase of.

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Seven point: five million dollars or eight point three percent. This includes.

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A twelve hundred dollar request from the affordable housing fund and five million.

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Dollars from the food and beverage fund, which is a new fund for this year's.

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Budget adjusting for these amounts, the overall increase is 1.7 million dollars.

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Or 1.9 percent in the general fund, the overall budget request is forty: six.

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Point: seven: five: nine million dollars. This is an increase of one point. Five.

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Seven, six million or three four point: five percent: this increase reflects six.

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Hundred thousand dollars of one-time expenditures and a seven hundred.

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Thousand dollar decrease in property tax caps. Adjusting for these items, the.

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General fund budget represents a three point: six percent increase in comparison.

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In 2019 the parks general fund, the request is eight point: five to five.

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Million dollars an increase of three hundred and twenty-two thousand dollars or three point: nine percent going back to public.

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Safety and the local income tax. We expect to receive five point. Three three.

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Six million dollars in ps, lit revenue and one point three: six: five million.

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Dollars in a nine one revenue, these are broken down as follows: two point: two.

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Point six: three million dollars for central dispatch, which is a combination.

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Of ps lit and a nine one one which is another one point: three, six: five million.

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Dollars, nine hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars for police capital and.

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Two point: one one: four million dollars for fire capital, as noted by the mayor.

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Other than for dispatch, we continue to use the our share of ps lit for capital.

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Replacement in the police and fire department just some breakdowns for you.

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To show you how the expenditures get broken down, as you know, we budget in.

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Four categories: category one is salary and wages. Category two is supplies.

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Category three is out is other services, and category four is capital. This is.

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Taking a look at the city and parks general fund by function, which is.

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Different than the four categories that I mentioned, as you can see, public safety.

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Accounts for forty four percent parks and recreation, fifteen percent, the tax.

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Caps are about two percent services, are twenty four percent capital three.

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Percent and administration is twelve percent when we look at it as a.

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Breakdown by the categories you can see this most significant cost is personnel.

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Cost and they represent seventy three percent of the total parks and so sifl.

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City general fund budget, that's followed by services of ten point. Seven supplies.

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Of one point: seven, eight, eight and capital of one point: four one: four.

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Six and the tax caps, as we've mentioned.

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Moving on to the overall budget again looking at function, you can see that.

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Public safety is 35% services. These are provided directly to the community. Is.

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42% parks and recreation 9% capital represents 1% administrative services, 9%.

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That services 3% and tax caps 1% when we look at it from the categorical look, you.

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Can see the personnel again the biggest part of what we do so if the total city.

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Budget 51 percent goes to salary and wages. That's followed by services, which.

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Are 30 percent supplies, 6 percent capital, 9 percent and debt service of 3.

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Percent, this is just historically what we've seen the growth portion in the.

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Levy since 2015, you can see where we were at 2.7 and 2.6. It then jumped up to.

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3 8 4, o 3.4 3.5, that's a part of that 7 year, rolling average. So when the.

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Recession hits and and wages drop across the state, then, each year that you have a.

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Recession adds a bad year as we've come out of that we've begun to drop those.

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Off of there so you've seen the growth quotient go up. I believe we've got one.

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More year left from the recession era that will drop off, so I would expect.

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That we will see continuously grow somewhere between three and a half and.

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Four percent for the next year next up is just showing you actuals, budgeted.

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Projected numbers for 2018, 2019 and 2020 again. This is looking at the bottom line.

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Of actual reserves being 50.9% and projected of 39.1 and 35.8%.

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Next, up is just showing you a breakdown of the general fund budget, showing you.

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2018 actual 2019 budget 2020 budget and the dollar change and percentage change.

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By each of the departments will note that the largest growth was in the.

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Controller's budget- and that was an increase, the $600,000 that we talked to.

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You about last time that will be utilized to buy document management.

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Software and community developed software that will be used by primarily.

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Housing, a neighborhood development and planning and transportation, so we have.

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Some funds this year this will help us with the implementation part of that so.

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That's a one-time expenditure that makes our budget jump up. For that reason, this.

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Is just showing you historic cash in your in cash balances since 2008? It also.

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Shows you what the rainy day percentages have been since that time, which fell to.

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A low of ten point: nine percent 2008 and you can see that we're at ended, 2018.

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With 50 point nine percent and then you can see the changes in the various funds.

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As well and these represent the funds that you do appropriate next is police.

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And fire 10 year, capital plan going from 2020 through 2025 as well as future.

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Projects, so you can see those and then finally, at the bottom, is what we're.

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Actually able to fund out of those departments, so the total amount funded.

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Is three million? Seventy two thousand dollars two million one hundred thirty.

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Fourteen thousand of that will go to the fire department and nine hundred and.

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Fifty nine thousand dollars will go to the police department.

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And then, finally, we provided you with the capital requests by funds with.

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Details so that you could see that information that was requested, that we.

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Include that so it lists the funds and then, if there's a department, it lists.

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That so, obviously in the general fund, you have various departments to get.

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Funded and then primarily in the others, it's a single department other than.

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Alternative transportation, where there are several departments, that's the.

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Conclusion of my remarks I'd be happy to answer any questions. Okay, just one.

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Second, um before we go to council comments, the public comment portion of.

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The deliberation on this item will constitute the statutorily required.

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Public hearing on the city budget for 2020 one other comment: I've been.

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Reminded by our city clerk that we still need to sign the form after this meeting.

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For rate resolution, 19 14, okay, now, council or comments or quite I'm sorry.

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Questions from the council members council, member allah. Thank you. Mr.

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Underwood, I am referring back to a question I had earlier in the process.

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And the budget, our budget hearings and by the way, I'm very pleased with the.

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Reserve totals pleased that we have achieved an upgrade and our bond rating.

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I am still concerned about a risk of downturn, an economic downturn. We talked.

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A little bit about that, and so we've got say this- an area where property values.

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Fall a v falls, lits would decline as people's salaries decline or people lose.

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Jobs, food and beverage tax declines, because it's discretionary spending and.

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People are doing less of that, so you've considered all these things.

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And in when we talked last, we I was referring to 2008, which was a severe.

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Decline- and we weathered that we had to do a lot.

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Of very quick belt tightening we were fortunate in that no one was forced to.

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Leave a job at the city is that your worst case scenario at this point, 2008.

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Yes, I would think so, I think, we're much better prepared to weather a storm like.

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That, as you could see, in 2008, the the reserves were 10% mm-hmm, we're.

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Projecting four months worth of reserves, so you have that the advantage of a.

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Seven-Year average is that it takes a while on the property tax side of things.

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To lower your growth quotient again with property taxes, it's the rate is a.

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Combination of what is your levy, did your levy go up or down, and did your.

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Assessed value go up and down then so, typically you what you will see if more.

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Quickly is if a assessed value doesn't grow, your tax rate will go up and then.

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That would be followed by the lowering of your growth quotient on an annual.

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Basis due to bad years coming on, I had you know we pay attention. I do pay.

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Attention to what they're saying we had a rating call yesterday with.

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Standards and poor on the utility refunding issue and that they they they.

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Say the same thing that we're do, but they don't think it'll be that they.

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Think that the economy is better prepared to weather that that it won't.

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Be a 2008 situation, so we think 8 2008 is kind of the benchmark for what is the.

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Worst thing that can happen, we think we're prepared. We talked to department.

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Heads about what would we do if we see that have them thinking about what.

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Recommendations would they make to that? Obviously, the easy things are travel and.

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Training capital replacement, but we can see what the results of those are. You.

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Typically see things like hiring freezes where, if they've got vacant positions.

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But again that hurts those departments at that point.

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That just happened to have a lot of vacancies, so we would take a much more.

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Strategic approach to it, I likened it to the state. When I worked at the state, I.

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Worked for item 90% of our budget was grant money, it was federal money and the.

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State and they and the rest really are our general fund budget was the match.

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For those funds in the budget agency would tell every every department you've.

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Got to cut your budget by 10% without any regard to a strategy of where does.

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That make the most sense and we would look at them and say well, we you know if.

M

We cut 10% of our general fund budget. We're gonna, have a 90 percent decrease.

M

In federal funds that come back to us, so we would look at it very strategically.

M

To say, fund by fund department by department, where would we need to make.

M

Adjustments in order to weather the storm, but I think we're set up to do.

M

That what about so, if we're sort of it before anticipating a downturn, and we.

A

Have growing debt obligations so we take more bonds. That is something that.

A

Persists during downturns sure right and how? Where are we in your in your view, in.

A

Terms of now we are the bonding capacity, but just in case of a downturn, there are.

A

Men amount of that obligation right one of the things we look at as we issue.

M

That is two things is: what's the debt load per capita? Obviously we we don't.

M

Want to be the highest in the state, we measure that and we believe that we're.

M

Relatively conservative with that- and it's also the revenue stream- that's.

M

Based on that, the one good thing is: if it's a general obligation bond, it's paid.

M

By property taxes, the state has to give you the funds to make those payments. The.

M

Other thing and we've talked about this, is you look at two things when you issue.

M

Bonds, as far as how you would fund those do, we have enough money to pay the debt.

M

That annual debt service- and we call that you know one one to one and then.

M

Secondly, in order to issue it, you look at coverage and typically you want to be.

M

At one and a half to two times coverage- and we try to stay in that so that that.

M

Would anticipate that you have additional revenues of at least 50% of what your obligation is in the event that those.

M

Revenue streams would drop, so we think again we're prepared to do that. You also.

M

Have to have a debt service reserve on every bond that you issue. That's equal.

M

To one year, so what? What about debt based on anticipated self liquidation by.

A

Discretions by revenue derived from discretionary spending, in other words,.

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From food and beverage well, we talked about that declining during an economic.

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Downturn and but the debt persists and we will need, might tap into other.

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Sources that that's probably what concerns me, the most, I think, is again.

M

That's why we look to have coverage available revenues of between one and a.

M

Half to two times what the annual debt service is, so in a sense that, if there's.

M

An economic downturn you would eat into that coverage first, so we're saying that.

M

At a minimum, that's usually 50 percent, so you would have to see a 50 percent.

M

Decline in those net revenues before you would get down to okay, now we're having.

M

To have trouble making our bond payments. Okay! Thank you. The city has never.

M

Defaulted on a bond issue that I, in its entirety, yeah. Thank you.

D

We are at 50%, did you say our general fund? We worked at the end of 2018. What.

D

Did we expect that figure to be the end of 2019, 35 39.1 and at the end of 2020,.

M

35.8, so we're spending down the excess in the general fund. Well, we expect it to.

M

Come back down to the target, the target, which is four months or about 33%, so we.

M

Expect to be slightly above what the target is right, but I mean I've also.

D

Noticed a pattern that we sort of keep.

D

The the excess keeps going up year by year.

D

Maybe it's because revenues are going up higher than we can spend it, but I guess.

D

What I'm wondering is, did you assign that excess revenue to you know like new.

D

Programs and positions or what we do is we come to you at the end of these year.

M

You know we tell you, this is how much we reverted back to their various funds. The.

M

Program that we currently have in place, this departments can utilize that up to.

M

50% and then the administration may utilize the other 50%. We typically try.

M

To look at one-time expenditures for that, so that it's not an ongoing.

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Commitment and then the other half is in previous year last year, was theirs in.

M

2019 was the first time that the administration didn't come forth to.

M

Utilize those funds did not yeah the other half of those reversions. We.

M

Elected to put it into the reserve, specifically thinking about, we are past.

M

Due for a downturn- and this is just additional cushion- maybe I should ask.

D

This then, the two issues of this year's budget seem to be police and climate.

D

Change how much the excess in the general fund is going.

D

To address one of those two priorities, I don't have that specific number in front.

M

Of me, I we have the amounts. I can tell you for them in the case of the fire.

M

Department they're getting a one point: five, eight percent increase, so there's one hundred and seventy three thousand dollars going there in the police.

M

Department, six hundred and seventeen thousand dollars, so five percent.

M

Increased there, and what's that figure based on I mean, is that anything to do.

D

With the salary negotiations or just other costs, other cost increases. Okay,.

D

And and then you know there are, there are people there are non uniformed.

M

Officers and others that civilian staff that will receive two percent. So that's.

M

Included in this calculation in that 6:17, yes,.

D

Okay- and I guess climate change is addressed by the new position, it's.

M

Addressed by some of the things that the mayor talked about in his discussion of.

M

Commitments to the climate, change and innovation is our sustainability. Those.

M

Things are already baked into the budget and there may have been increases in.

M

Those items- maybe I should narrow the question just.

D

A little bit and ask of these new dollars how many of them are going to.

D

Ongoing operational expenses, as opposed to one-time costs like buying a new.

D

Vehicle or a solar panel, or something like that, in other words, are we funding.

D

Ongoing personnel, you know we're making a commitment to new personnel with those.

D

Dollars yeah, as you saw, the general fund of parts general fund, 71% of the.

M

Budgeted expenditures are for salary and wages that would go towards a semi union.

M

Contract, it's in place the fire department budget, that's in place, the 2%.

M

For civil city, the last increase in the three-year plan, as well as increases.

M

That the council and the mayor had deferred that are included in this year.

M

Okay, I mean I'm not able to formulate my question accurately tightly enough, but.

D

I'm looking for a little bit more precise thing I'll try to to word it in.

D

A separate email, thank you sure, councilmember granger. Thank you.

O

So I think you said $400,000 request from the housing fund, but then I did a.

M

Million okay, because I thought I had read 1.2, but I couldn't find it. Okay,.

O

Thank you and that's assuming on the revenues coming into the if fund way as.

M

We noted you appropriate, but if the money doesn't come into the fund, then we.

M

Won't be able to spend it, but we're anticipating that will receive about 1.2.

M

Million dollars, so do you have what are the projects that we're using this money.

O

For those have not been identified at this point, and so how did you come up.

O

With a 1.2 million, or how did we come up with it, it was an estimate of what we.

M

You know of available dollars that we would have to spend okay. Thank you.

M

Thank you, councilmember piedmont, smith,.

E

Yeah, mr. underwood, could you tell me again the general fund budget, a minute.

E

Because either I misheard- or it was for some reason different than what's on.

E

Form 4: these are the amounts for the general fund. I can give you the total is.

M

46 million seven hundred and fifty nine thousand three hundred and twenty nine.

M

Dollars- and you will note that there is a difference of about nine hundred and.

M

Sixty eight thousand dollars. Yes, I will note that. That's that that's the.

M

Property tax caps. So if you look, I believe we've got it listed.

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On senator I look here, I thought it yeah here it is right after the police.

M

Department, property, tax caps; it was one point, six, three: nine million dollars in.

M

Twenty nineteen- it's nine hundred thirty eight thousand seven hundred ninety two dollars this: this is I'm surprised, councilmember boland didn't bring it up.

M

Again, this year about the crazy way that they make us do this, we have to budget.

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For it, but then when they do the appropriation ordinance, it comes out and.

M

That's back to, even though we have it's a department in their forms that we have.

M

To budget for so it makes believe me, I redo the math about sixteen times to.

M

Make sure that it balances back, but the difference between the form. The.

M

Appropriation, ordinance and, and the numbers listed, is the the property tax.

M

Caps dollars amount. So when I look at the budget forms per d lgf, where are.

E

Those property tax caps- where is that amount on here.

E

It is not included on the because there's a big there's, a zero in the.

E

Where I thought it would be, which is the controller's budget it's it gets.

M

Footnoted, if you look at.

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On the actual appropriation ordinance budget form for that's that's, my note is.

M

That it's not listed at all, even though we have to budget for it. If you look at.

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The exhibits and you look at the notice to taxpayers it's listed at the top of.

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The form it gives the estimated civil city max levy and then property tax cap.

M

Credit estimate of 938 792, it's very concentrated and very confusing, so let.

E

Me just get down to brass tacks here: for people who are paying property taxes, the.

E

Prod the proposed property tax rate is 0.9, 1/8 4% right. Yes, that's the that's.

M

The advertised rate, so what is the rate for 2019.

E

How much are people's taxes going up or down? Well what we won't know that until.

M

The final budget order, because there's two things that happen: this is.

M

Anticipated and that's at, we always advertise that higher than what we.

M

Anticipated so the advertisers rate is for the general fund is ninety one point.

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Eight four cents- currently, I think the total so the totals listed here- is one.

M

Point three five and I think we're at like eighty nine cents. So I anticipate.

M

That it'll be closer to the eighty nine cents, and that will be the advertised.

M

Rate so for taxpayers who will pay property taxes for 2019? What is the rate.

E

They will pay for the city of bloomington, it's it'll dependent, sorry.

M

To be, it depends on what township you live in there's a different rate, but the.

M

City's tax rate city overall is about eighty nine cents for 2019.

M

And that's for all of the all of the adopted levy, funds that you see on the.

M

Appropriation ordinance, and so when we look at the ninety one point, eight four.

E

Cents you're saying that that's a maximum and it may actually be less yes,.

M

What does that depend on? It depends on the final budget order, so this meant.

M

That the budget may be decreased because of less revenues that they estimate.

M

Towards the end of the year and the final assessed levy, our assessed values.

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And the impacts of the property tax caps, so these are all estimates as far as the.

M

Tax rate and the levy that we use- they're all estimates and that's and the.

M

State gets the last swipe at that, and we won't know it until the end of the year.

M

And then the rates get advertised after that, okay, so the assessed value. That's.

E

Just an estimate at this point: it's just an estimate and and we we get an.

M

Estimate and because of the way you have to advertise, we we utilize a number less.

M

Than that, so that, if there's an error made either by the state or by the city,.

M

Which so far, there's not been any made? It falls within that tax rate. Okay, thank.

E

You I have other questions, but I'll wait: councilmember, grainger thanks! This is a follow up to that. So you say.

O

You're advertising at nine point: nine one, eight four, but the budget that we're.

O

Looking at is is based something closer to 89, I mean 89 cents. If you look at the.

M

Bottom of your appropriation ordinance, so the form for you're, seeing that state.

M

There's there's two sets of funds state controlled and.

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Local control, so what you're voting on is the adopted budget and the estimated.

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Tax levy, we advertise the rate based on an assessed value. That's given to us.

M

That we use a lesser number so that when you look at the bottom line on page one.

M

The estimated tax rate is one point: three, five cents. We end the current rate.

M

For all those funds is about eighty nine cents. We anticipate that by the time.

M

It's all said and done, and the state does their final calculations that will.

M

Be somewhere someone some a whole lot less than the one point. Three five it'll.

M

Be closer to the eighty-nine cents that we see today. So if you look historically.

M

The advertised tax rate is always higher than what the final tax rate is, and it's.

M

A function of how we have to do budgets in indiana, okay, thank you. Councilmember.

G

Piedmont, man did you have a follow up question. I had a totally separate.

E

Question so in the let's see you provided us with a list of expenses over.

E

One hundred thousand dollars that are not in category four and thank you for.

E

Doing that the parking meter fund has two hundred fifty thousand dollars for.

E

Downtown outreach grants. Yes, what are those those are the services that the.

M

Police department utilizes with social service agencies, to assist with issues.

M

In the downtown and the dro private program, the chiefs here, if you have.

M

Specific questions about that, I believe we contract with.

L

That is the grant money that the dro program gives out to our partners and.

L

The social service agencies, okay, thank you.

G

Okay and he counts, remember granger. Thank you. I'm looking at the the fire.

O

Pension and the police pension- I'm just wondering why they're so different. I.

O

Mean I guess I would have thought they're closer, but why? Why is it it's.

M

These are legacy funds way back when units of government if they had police.

M

And fire departments created their own retirement funds and then in the late.

M

70S, as many of those were going bankrupt and pensioners we're not getting paid.

M

The state took overall pension funds, so they administer all pension funds.

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However, because these legacy pension funds have to stay with the city, we get.

M

Estimates from the local pension, secretaries with the police and fire.

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Department, those are submitted to the state they review them. So the long.

M

Answer short, is it's based on the number of pension, tiers and survivors that are.

M

On the system, eventually, these will phase out again. This is an odd one where.

M

We fund the current year out of the monies that are in the account and the.

M

State reimburses us, after the fact for the actual expenditures.

O

I probably asked that last year because that sounded like a familiar answer, so I.

O

Apologize for asking that it's no problem happy to answer them. Thank you.

J

Thank you any further questions from council. Seeing none do we have any.

G

Comments from the public.

G

Appropriation ordinance 19, oh five, is where we are seeing going back to the.

G

Counter saying on our week council member at pima smith yeah, there are.

E

Several there are a lot of good things in the budget, but there are several.

E

Disappointments in the budget as well, I mentioned previously that I think it's.

E

Vital we have a director of climate action and sustainability. That is not.

E

Funded in this budget, I agree that we need more sworn police officers than are.

E

Proposed in the current budget, there are some smaller things that I think should.

E

Be addressed the parking cash out option for city hall, employees, currently city.

E

Employees pay just a pittance, but two dollars a year to park on prime real.

E

Estate in downtown bloomington, I don't want to penalize employees who have to.

E

Drive a lot of them can't afford to live in the city. As we know, rates for housing.

E

Are very high here and I don't want to penalize anybody, but the parking cash.

E

Out is a way to and I'm sure councilmember fallin can speak more.

E

Authoritative lee on this, but it's a way to give all employees a little boost in.

E

Income and that way, those who can use different ways to get to work either.

E

Transit or bike or walk or carpool can save that money and they don't have to.

E

Pay that money and it would be an amount that is commensurate with the prime.

E

Location of our parking lot and it might also open up parking spaces for visitors.

E

And anyway, councilmember fallin has been talking about this for years and again.

E

In response to questions this time around, he received the response that.

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They more need more time to study it, so that that is disappointing, that we.

E

Didn't have better answers. I know that there are some tax implications. I.

E

Believe on the federal level, it can be considered tax, free income or a.

E

Deduction that's made before taxes, but I don't know what the state of indiana.

E

Rules are on that, so obviously I would need more study, but I had hoped that the.

E

Administration would would be able to act on that proposal. It is a way to.

E

Incentivize transportation other than single passenger vehicles, which we need.

E

To do in addition, the many programs of parks and recreation, of course operate.

E

On a subsidy, but what is particularly jarring for me is that the golf course.

E

Has a hundred sixty four thousand dollar subsidy each year, and this is.

E

Subsidizing a very unsustainable use of land, which requires a lot of upkeep and.

E

Could better be used in more environmentally friendly ways such as.

E

Planting trees and the fact that we subsidize it is disturbing to me where.

E

We just built a great new clubhouse, more throwing good money after bad. In my.

E

View the eastside senior center doesn't have any money in this budget and it's.

E

Been a very popular new program in the college mall, and I know it was just a.

E

Pilot program this year- and you know maybe they'll- come to the council and.

E

Asked for jack hopkins social service funding, but that was not made clear and.

E

That it seems like it's a program worth some institutional support from the.

E

Administration now, as I'm listing all these ways to spend money, I also want to.

E

Mention one thing that I think we can cut and we should cut, and that is the $900,000 we spend on sucking up, leaves at the.

E

Curbside four residences around the city- I don't propose, we go cold turkey, but I.

E

Think this is something that we should charge people for, and we should have a.

E

Robust education program to let people know the different options they may have.

E

To compost those leaves on their own property, but I mean paying in as we.

E

Heard during the budget hearings, it's a service that nobody likes, because it.

E

Always comes at the wrong time, and it's very difficult also for people who are.

E

Accepting those leaves as compost, because the vacuum to vacuum up.

E

Everything in their path and not just leaves so it's just a very problematic.

E

Program that I would hope to not see again in next year's budget, so these are.

E

Some of my concerns about the budget- I, of course the big one, as I mentioned.

E

Earlier is that I think when you dedicated a dedicated high-level staff.

E

Member to address climate change- and that is not found here in this budget.

E

And that's well, I haven't decided whether vote no tonight or vote pass, but.

E

I'm not ready to vote. Yes, that's for sure. Thank you comes from members enberg.

K

As council member piedmont, smith has pointed out earlier, as we were.

K

Discussing the salaries of police officers, it really is out of this body's.

K

Hands with respect to that ongoing negotiation.

K

It certainly is my desire, as we've already expressed up here, that we can.

K

Come to some agreement with that, as I think salaries are important for dealing.

K

With recruiting dealing with retention and dealing with morale, it is this.

K

Budget that we're looking at right now, in which we could make our points about.

K

Our desire to have more of a hard look at our staffing levels for the police.

K

Department and as I hear my colleague, isabel pima smith, talk about her kind of.

K

Specifics as to what she's disappointed about in the budget where we might make other cuts, I am very well aware that our job up here is not.

K

To increase this budget, but all we can do is cut, and the last thing I want to.

K

Do for the police department is to cut them. However, I think my vote will be a.

K

Pass tonight just to make my strong opinion heard about my concern that.

K

We're hearing one thing from the administration: there are no recruiting problems, there are no retention problems, but yet we're hearing another side of.

K

That story from the police themselves, and so I, while a lot of these.

K

Discussions typically take place in our may budget advance when we as council.

K

Members are sharing with the administration what our priorities are.

K

So that the staff and and our wonderful controller can work on those things.

K

Throughout the year I agree, this is kind of late in the process. To start our.

K

Recommending things that said my suggestion of hiring consultants to take.

K

A look at this if we can't come to an agreement about what we need and why and.

K

And and where the resources might come, but I just will say in closing: we have a.

K

Morale problem and that's never a good thing, and so my challenge back to the.

K

Administration is, while we're back to the hopefully we're back to the.

K

Negotiating table to get the salaries for the officers straightened out.

K

Through that appropriate process that we are also thinking about how we address.

K

That morale problem either through better communications. How are we going.

K

To retain, how are we going to better recruit because I'm I'm fairly convinced.

K

That we have more of a problem than maybe we're being led to believe, and I.

K

Think that will have some serious consequences into the future. If we don't.

K

Really address that in this year, so while it may be too late in this budget,.

K

Round I just want to put some things out there that I think we all should be.

K

Looking to try to solve and to to make our police officers feel that.

K

They are respected, they are well supported because those are not easy.

K

Jobs, and so that is those my main concern with this budget. Thank you.

K

Councilmember bolden, yes, thank you. I.

D

Don't agree with the idea that salaries are entirely out of our hands again.

D

While our power is to cut and not to increase, we absolutely can have an.

D

Impact, it's just not direct. We can have an indirect impact, that's still very.

D

Strong but a majority has to believe that that action will remedy the.

D

Problems that they identified, I will be passing again on this item tonight as.

D

With the previous ones, although I may not be so inclined to pass on the.

D

Utilities and transit budgets because they're less controversial and separate.

D

But I think if there's one thing that is coming out of this debate tonight for me.

D

It's I'm not sure anybody who's been present in this room is particularly.

D

Enamored of the leaf collection program I mean I.

D

It does seem increasingly absurd, like in the time of climate change, word spending.

D

Gasoline to go out and collect leaves to do what with them they could I mean I I.

D

Came over the last time I write leaves in my own yard,.

D

I don't see a particular need to do so. I mean I think we have a still have this.

D

Obsession with lawns and grass, that is, you know if there's one thing, I think.

D

That, politically, we can come closest to agreeing to on change from previous.

D

Years is rethinking lawns for god's sake, let alone collecting leaves.

D

You know I that's nine hundred thousand dollars that could be put to many other.

D

Uses not the least of which is, you know, breakthrough in the negotiation.

D

Between the police union and the city or any number of other programs, maybe a.

D

Combination of them, but I am having a hard time supporting leaf collection.

D

I'll have to say that thanks very much mr. underwood, I just want to point out.

M

Understand that the whole city budget, the funds are not fungible, so the.

M

Cutting of the leafing program could not be used for the police department. I just.

M

Like I have to, I have a fiduciary duty to point that out that it can only be.

M

Used for the purposes of the fund itself, so in that case this is paid out of the.

M

Street department, it could go to other street department programs, but it could.

M

Not be used for police and fire salary wages. What else could we use that money.

D

For in streets for its sidewalks, maybe streets could we add new sidewalks.

D

Because that's that's money that right now the administration has put in the.

D

Council's fund the council's budget, it wouldn't be trellis, I wouldn't be.

M

Transferable to this council sidewalk fund, but it could be utilized inside the.

M

Street department for the sidewalk program that they administer as well and.

M

Does that involve the building of new sidewalk shows it's maintenance of.

D

Existing sidewalks, both okay, if it can, if it can be used to build new sidewalks.

D

Than the $300,000 that the council has graciously been given by the.

D

Administration for the express purpose of building new sidewalks, it could be.

D

Partially repurposed for some other function. I agree that the funds are not.

D

Fungible for practically speaking, you know, I think we can find some better.

D

Uses for them than whatever leaf collection. Thank you for the clarification, though, council members, star bomb, I was just gonna, say I'm.

N

Supportive of everything, susan sandburg said, and that's why I'm gonna pass also.

G

Can't remember, although you know just reflecting on comments that are made, I'm.

A

Not in disagreement with many of the comments that are made, I don't think.

A

That you know this necessarily this budget is should reflect. You know.

A

Elimination of the of the leaf program, or even a major reduction in it. I think.

A

That it's, I think, what we need is a transition, and I think that I think that.

A

There probably would be a lot of room for the public given alternatives to to.

A

Reduce that service voluntarily, but that's something that needs to be.

A

Explored and because people do rely on it at this point I mean it's not if it.

A

Went away and this fall or next fall, it would be problematic for people. That's.

A

Not to say that it's justified and we ought to continue it's just a transition.

A

It occurs, I'm also cognizant of that. As the mayor said at the beginning that.

A

This administration has done a lot for climate and it's done a lot for its.

A

Commitment to emissions, I understand, there's an emissions report.

A

Coming soon and I've never seen an administration step up and do as much.

A

For solar power, for instance, you know efforts for waste to to energy.

A

Generation, millions of dollars devoted to storm.

A

Storm water, green infrastructure- these are all very important things, and so the.

A

Fact that we don't get exactly what we you know, I think it's a reflection of.

A

How the budget process works and the fact that we make it known at this stage.

A

How we feel you know it's perfectly legitimate and good.

A

There are also raises in this budget- and I'm not going to compromise- I'm not.

A

Going to I'm not going to vote against the budget that it does a lot so much good and also includes raises for employees so I'll.

A

Join my colleagues tonight in in passing, but I anticipate supporting at.

A

Supporting this budget in the end, because, on balance, it does a lot of good.

A

So I'll leave it at that thanks. Thank you. Councilman burrow, I'm.

S

Gonna follow up on a comment that councilman sandberg made during the.

S

Earlier ordinance discussion, our ordinance 1920 before councilman.

S

Piedmont smith pointed out that is probably more appropriate to discuss during 1905, so customer steinberg says she thought maybe was the time might be.

S

Time to to have a third party consultant look in to look into the staffing levels.

S

Yeah, I will see staffing levels and some of these other questions and the.

S

Reaction, I read from the administration's response at the podium.

S

Was it was pretty lukewarm to say the least, and what I want to say is you know.

S

We, as council members, have been getting bombarded with conflicting information.

S

Conflicting data, conflicting evidence, conflicting arguments and I don't know.

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About the rest, my colleagues, but I don't have the resources or expertise to sort.

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It out, you know, the budget of the police department is like it's like 20 million.

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Dollars or something it's it's huge, so the expenditure of a consultant to to.

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Get some outside third-party information that we as council members can can can.

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Face both the administration and the police honestly on is it? Doesn't it.

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Seems like a very reasonable and responsible request. It's a probably.

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Small commitment for such a fundamental and large part of the city's budget. You know this administration has not been.

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Reluctant in the past to use consultants for lots and lots of things, I think this.

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Certainly rises to that level of importance, so I really I'm not gonna, be.

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Around next next year to express, as a council member, at least my frustration.

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If this kind of thing, if this information doesn't come to us in a.

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Better more clear way, which leads me was little to do except protests now by.

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Certainly saying I'm gonna pass tonight and I might I might vote no when, when.

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The vote comes if I don't get a better sense that that's the administration is.

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Taking that very seriously that that moderate, reasonable request.

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So thanks councilman ebberd for making it thank you councilmember granger thank.

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You I want to follow up on my colleague mr. ruff. I believe that I felt kind of.

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Dismissed after ms sandberg made that proposal, because it's so late in the.

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Budget process, but I'm gonna go back to the fact that it's not late the buzz.

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Budget process I've been asking for this. I asked for this this year. I asked for.

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It last year, I think I even asked for it the year before and it's just now. It.

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Feels like there's a lot of effort to to prove that we don't need something. But I.

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I in my heart feel that we do in my head. I feel that we do and if a consultant.

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Can come in and help us weed through all this I think that's great and I think it.

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Shouldn't be dismissed, I do want to make a comment about what the mayor said and.

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His initial calm, I want to make a response. He was talking.

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About all this money that has been put into the police and the dispatch and the.

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Last few years, but as his piedmont smith pointed out there, we had a huge influx.

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Of ps lit money, and I don't- and that was included in this- we also the police and.

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The dispatch budgets are separate and it just it that just kind of seemed.

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Disingenuous also, the police department has been the parking staff have been.

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Folded into the police department and their budget, so that just didn't feel.

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Didn't sit right with me: all I'm asking for is one additional officer in 2020.

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It's all I asked for last year, I'm just one additional officer and what we've.

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Been doing up here, you know in talking about the leaf program and other options.

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Is we're trying to help the mayor figure out how to make this happen so that.

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Other people don't lose their jobs. We can't raise the budget, but all I'm.

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Asking for is one additional police officer and I I am willing to vote no.

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Again, I won't be here next year, I feel. Like a you know, I tried to be a good.

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Girl with all these budget discussions in years past, and it just it just.

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Bothers me that he's not willing to listen, because it's not like this is a.

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New request, the request for the person who would attend to our climate concerns.

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The mayor said to us that, well we, you know if we focus on climate here in.

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Bloomington, then you know, businesses might go to other communities and I.

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Don't think that I I don't agree, but let's.

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It does we could have a person who reports to the mayor, who does outreach.

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With other communities and helps them build on the expertise that we are.

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Developing so that it's not just bloomington that that's you know trying.

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To make this commitment, but working with other communities that will benefit.

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Everybody, I would love to see that I I know some people are saying. Oh that's.

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Just pie in the sky, I know people have compared this. This request for a person.

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To the whole discussion about y2k, remember that discussion remember those.

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That year and and they say, oh see, nothing happened about it. Nothing's.

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Gonna happen about the climate man, that's not true. People don't realize how.

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Hard and dedicated our technology people were to try to deal with this issue of.

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The y2k and what could happen? They did a good job, so nothing happened. We could do.

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A good job now so that nothing happens or everything happens for the good yeah.

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I can't believe I brought up y2k, but I think I read a letter to the editor.

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One additional officer sworn officer, and I think that we should follow crews.

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Ann's lead and develop a plan for adding additional officers. I think the officers.

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Would feel there's a commitment on the part of the the city administration if.

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If we could get them to commit over the next four years to add so many officers.

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I'm we could do four years, seven officers, and I think that would be that.

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Reflects our population as it is now and I'm pretty sure the population is going.

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To grow visitors to the community are going to.

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Grow issues are going to grow and I think we need to have officers sworn.

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Officers to help us as we move forward with all these challenges. Thank you so.

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Much thank you any further comments. Okay, then I'll be the last one. I think.

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Except for I think there may be more after this coming, I've really value the.

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The comments and the expertise of my colleagues and one or two of the.

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Comments of her tonight kind of distresses me, so I don't think there's a need to so much protest now, just like all the rest of our citizens, they.

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Contact us via email, they call us, they write us letters, they come and make.

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Public comments, so this is not the last hurrah as we move forward. I just kind of.

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Want to say that we have talked about a lot of things, climate change. I don't.

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Think there's any disagreement that it needs to be addressed. I think part of.

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The discussion is, how do we get there and what are the some of the things we.

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Do so, I think we're all willing to talk about it. We're just gonna have to work.

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Out how we get there, I'm okay with that. Maybe we just right in other organs and.

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Say we no longer cut grass in this city. We no longer cut grass on your private.

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Property, I think that's going to have a positive effect on climate change. Okay,.

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I'm okay, with with the leaf suck as we call it on a weed there's another term.

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For it, I I don't so much have a problem with that, but, like my fellow colleague.

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And we've talked about this before I want more of a phase-in, because I don't.

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Want us to get some unintended consequences to do some other things or.

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Trying to get some other things done and then particularly, I don't particularly.

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Want to have to deal with the leaves in our sewer system right away. So what how.

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Do we mitigate these things? How do we work toward to where we want to go.

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Without creating these sorts of things sidewalks, you know I've heard some.

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Things about the golf course I'm a golfer. Okay, don't make me a bad person.

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Don't make anybody who says get rid of them a bad person but as opposed to.

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Saying that maybe we say we got three nines, let's talk about, maybe removing.

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Want even though I don't want to talk about that either, but but but but I'm.

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Just saying, there's rule for all of us to work toward the same goal and when we.

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Go to certain different things and you automatically, you know, turn somebody.

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Else off and I'm not saying that happens, so I don't want anybody jump on me, but I.

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Just think, there's a better way to get to where we're going. I am happy with the.

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Progress this city is done. Can we do more? Should we do more, of course, of.

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Course I work out here in the community when you couldn't afford to put solar on.

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Your house and you get some of these with solar, indiana and other.

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Opportunities and some grants and people that are willing to help do sweat, equity.

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To put it on your house, we've come a long way and I don't want us to have.

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These conversations, in many cases where we disregard all of that, and I think we.

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Can get there? Okay, I don't think we can get there. I think golf courses add to.

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The quality of life, as do trails as do parks, I'm not putting them in the same.

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Thing but we'll consider it all of that, and I am willing to work on certain.

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Things, even if I don't particularly get what I want, if it's best for the.

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Community and best for the health of us there is no planet b. I think I heard.

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Someone say that tonight I think we're all in agreement with that. So having.

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Said that are we ready to consider a do pass recommendation? Yes, all right. Let's.

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Start on our left this time again, I think pass pass pass. Yes,.

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No pass it's a one, one, six.

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Anything to move me to the next item: appropriation, ordinance, 1906, an.

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Ordinance adopting a budget for the operation, maintenance, debt service and.

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Capital improvements for the water and wastewater utility departments of the.

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City of bloomington indiana for the year 2020, we have a speaker mr. kelson.

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Director of utilities department to join us this evening good evening, I'm vicki.

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Allison, director of utilities have with me laura pettit who's. Our assistant.

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Director for finance, we can answer any questions that you have just a few short.

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Remarks, the city of bloomington utilities exists to provide safe and.

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Sustainable water, wastewater and stormwater services in an economical.

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Manner, promoting prosperity and quality of life in our community. We will be.

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Engaging actively in three major sorry, six major initiatives that drove our.

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Goals for the 2020 budget year, that's increasing capacity for wastewater.

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Treatment improved continuing our improvements in drinking water quality.

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Completing the installation of the advanced metering infrastructure, the.

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Smart meters, continuing our program of water main replacements, making major.

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Improvements to our stormwater system and just overall process modernization.

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Through the utility we have three funds, we have the water utility water and our.

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The waterworks budget proposed for 2020 is 19 point one: nine million dollars.

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That's a $7,000 difference from 2019 that reflects the fact that we're in the.

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Middle of a rate cycle and we're not anticipate.

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Pre, anticipating growth in demand so we'll get the same amount of money on.

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The for the sewer works. We are proposing a budget of twenty four point. Two nine.

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Million dollars, that's a change of about one hundred, seven thousand dollars.

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Compared to 2019, and that reflects the changes that the council made in 2017 to.

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Our connection fees, the biggest change overall, is the storm.

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Water utility last year, late in the year council, approved a change in our.

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Stormwater rate and that storm water fee sorry.

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And so the 2020 budget is three point: one: six: six million dollars. That's a one.

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Point six one: nine million dollar increase compared to 2019. That reflects.

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The four hundred thousand dollar investment in green storm water.

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Infrastructure and doubling of our neighborhood interest- storm water.

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Infrastructure program and the debt service for several large storm water.

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Projects that will be beginning into in 2020, including the we're, not sure what.

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To call it big, dig, 2020 or something that will complete the jordan river.

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Tunnel project I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about our.

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Budget proposal, thank you, sir. We have any questions from council.

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Councilmember piedmont smith. So what was the increase in the wastewater services.

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Portion of the budget, it's about a hundred and seven thousand, and is that.

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Taken to account the increased fees that we just passed last week, I meant to.

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Mention that it does not, when we wrote the budget, we council had not yet taken.

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Final action on on that item so, as we said, the the primary reason for the the.

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Increases there is to cover major capital projects so that money will go.

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Into our extensions and replacements, the extension and replacements portion of.

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Our of our budget and will be used to subsidize the execution of large capital.

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Projects so that doesn't need to be in this budget to be spent next year.

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Jeff, do we need to amend it? No, this is because they're on a cash.

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Basis, they would have to take it back to their board to expend any funds above.

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What's been approved by the utility service board, so we can pass this.

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Appropriation and then when they start getting the increased income from the.

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Wastewater fees, then their board can approve additional procreation.

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That's correct, okay, thank you! Council members, turbot I'd love to you know, leaf.

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Litter grass cuttings from people's yards weeds that people pull and leave.

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In the driveway and they've they flow down the street. They end up in storm.

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Drains and they plug stream storm drains. In fact, we probably get. I don't know 20.

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Or 30 calls a year to my office that were referred by council members.

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Regarding clogged storm drains that need to be cleaned. So if if if public works.

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Doesn't collect those leaves, I'm very concerned that we're going to have a lot.

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Of stormwater problems with flooding flooding in people's yards.

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Flooding people's basements flooding our streets, we every time there's a range.

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Rain event, we have people from t and d out there with the vactor.

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Vacuuming leaves out of storm linen, let's so you're gonna vacuum them up or.

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Scrape them up or rake them up and carry them away, one way or the other. That's.

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That and so that the reality for us is that leaves plug storm drains. So when we.

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Start thinking about changing a leaf program, we should really consider all.

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Aspects of it because storm water is a big problem and a source of a lot of.

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Complaints for our customers, I'm not saying I'm not saying, don't change it.

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I'm saying there's you know there, there are some real negative side effects from.

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Stopping that program.

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Gods, remember bowling yes, follow-up question there about: how much does it.

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Cost to remediate a clogged storm drain. Well, the problem: isn't there mediation.

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The storm drain: it's the damage that the flooding did. We you don't. We have to go.

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Out and we're always out there monitoring our storm drains anyway. So if.

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They're, if they're clogged up with with debris, then we have to go out and either.

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Rake it and collect it, or we have to go out there with a vacuum truck and suck.

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It up so to get rid of it, so we do that. You know we end up doing some of this.

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Anyway and we'd end up doing a lot more of it, I fear, especially in the fall when.

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There's a lot of rain okay, but I mean we already know we're spending almost a.

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Million dollars a year for preventive leaf collection that you're also already.

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Doing I mean short of getting everybody to create yards that don't create.

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Material runoff: are we duplicated work at all, I mean, couldn't we just let it.

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Leave it all to utilities, that's that's up to the council to decide just.

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Thinking out loud, okay, thank you. Yeah fellow council members saying going to.

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The public, seeing none coming back to the council for a final comment council.

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Member granger, thank you when I'm talking about when I'm thinking about.

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The this isn't your department, but thinking about the leaf sucking to quote.

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My colleague I never mind it's, it's not. I don't think.

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It's any one intention up here to eliminate the program right now I mean.

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It I think that there are things that we could do and we should do if we're.

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Caught talking about cutting back, we need to do a lot of education around.

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Composting and and regreat leaf, raking and bagging and that sort of thing and.

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The concerns about we should do the concerns about the grass clippings and.

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The leaves and the gutters now I mean that in my neighborhood it's it's pretty.

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Severe just all goes in the downhill, but so I don't want you or whoever asked.

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That question, oh dear, thank you thank you. Mister stir bomb that we weren't.

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Just saying ah you know cut it off the top. Everything has to go along with an.

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Education program about why we might recommend doing this, and if I may.

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Councilmember simms the. I will point out that we have been.

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Doing adult education through our stormwater program about this specific.

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Topic- and it has been something- we've been talking to people about and and.

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Occasionally, if I see someone mowing their lawn and the grass is flying out.

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On the street I do stop and talk to them, so we are working. We are working on that.

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But it's a big job. Thank you. Any further comments. Thank you.

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And grass clippings on the street wreak havoc on bicycle riders as well. I mean.

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There are many things for us to talk about any getting to where we need to go.

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And I'm confident we can get there and the phase-in, as we've all talked about.

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It I think, it'll work. So, let's start on my right this time I was a member of yes.

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Yes? Yes, yes! Yes, yes, yes, eight-zero! Thank you. Let's do pass.

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Recommendation of eight zero and finally appropriation ordinance 19-0, seven.

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Appropriations and tax rates for bloomington transportation corporation.

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For 2020 and last and certainly not least, we've asked mr. bloom, a general.

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Manager in transit to join us good evening, loom.

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A general manager, bloomington public transportation corporation good to be.

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Here, for the second time to discuss our 2020 budget at bloomington transit as.

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Mr. kelson said I'll be brief, with my comments as well: maybe even briefer than.

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He was, I will. I will tell you that there's been no changes to our proposed.

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2020 budget, from what I originally presented to you in august, we are.

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Proposing a budget of thirteen million nine hundred and seventy five thousand.

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Two hundred and fifty dollars and that's about a 33% increase over last year. I.

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Will share with you one aside that I think you'll be interested a new.

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Development that has occurred since I was here last in august. Of course, we've.

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Had the start of the iu fall semester, which is always a big time for us as.

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Roughly 70% of our ridership, our college students and we're off to a very good.

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Start the first four weeks of the fall semester. Our ridership is up about 10.

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Percent over the same time last year, so that's a very encouraging development.

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And we're hopeful and optimistic that that trend will continue through the.

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Rest of this year- and it's been a few years since we've seen any kind of.

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Encouraging news like that with regard to ridership, so so with that, I'm glad to.

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Entertain any comments or questions that you may have about our proposed 2020.

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Budget, thank you mr. mahan. Before we see comments up here, I need to make know.

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That the public comment portion of the deliberation on this item will.

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Constitute the statutorily required public hearing on the transit budget for.

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2020 now council comments councilmember rallo. I have a question question and.

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This is a question that comes up now and then it's anticipating you know so. We've talked about climate, we talked about.

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We've talked about garages in the past and so forth, and a strategy for really.

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Attending to these sorts of things is to expand bus service and thinking of ways.

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In which we can do it and accessibility as well, and the question comes that. Why.

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Don't we just offer free, you know no fair ridership and it sounds like a good.

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Thing but it turns out not to be feasible, and could you explain why.

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That's the case: well, I think it is feasible. It takes a commitment of.

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Revenue from another source that we haven't identified, we take in roughly.

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One point: six million dollars in fare revenue from the general public as well.

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As I you, and if that revenue was to disappear from our budget, so we've got a.

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Roughly thirteen million dollar budget and 1.6 million dollars of that would no.

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Longer be available to us, and we would have to come up with a way to replace.

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That somehow, if there was but I'm sorry maybe I should rephrase that maybe I'm.

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Misunderstanding so do we jeopardize, I mean, besides the fair.

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Itself, do we jeopardize any any other revenue streams? I don't think it.

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Jeopardizes any other revenue streams, but that there are some other issues and.

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One that I think is important to point out if we go to a free, fair on fixed.

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Route service, we would have to also do a free, fair on bt access service by strong.

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That's when it was referring by federal law, you're beak access, fair can only be.

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Twice your fixed route fares so two times, zero is zero.

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And no doubt with a free bt access fare bt axis, as you know, is a curb to curb.

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Door-To-Door type service for people with disabilities and they.

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Have a $2.00 fare per one-way trip right now and if that fare became free, no.

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Doubt it would encourage a lot more ridership, which would bring a lot more.

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Cost operating costs that would go with it, so we would have to find a source of.

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Additional operating money to pay for that additional service, so it's kind of.

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Hard to ballpark how much it would cost difficult to know you know I would I.

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Could just take a stab in the dark, edit you're, probably looking at up somewhere.

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In the range of a 20 to 25% increase in additional service on bt access, roughly.

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Just a guess: okay! Well, then, since so it is feasible.

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Maybe okay, if we can identify a source? Thank you. Councilmember boland, a quick.

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Public statement on the amount being contributed by iu and how that's.

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Changing at all, yes, so, and just as background to your question for the.

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Three previous years that I've been here talking to you about the three previous.

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Year, budgets, we had a no increase from iu from all three of those years. We are.

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We do have a 2% increase from iu for the 2019 2020 school year, which has started.

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And so that's encouraging news. In addition, the university is funding some.

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Additional service on the route six route whereby they have moved students.

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Out of residence halls to several private apartment complexes and they.

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Want it to be sure that those additional students would have ample opportunity to.

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Use transit so we've added we've beefed up the frequency on that route. We've.

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Added a couple of buses on that route and the early indications are that it.

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Has paid off greatly as as we've seen, a very significant increase on.

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Around tells us that those students are probably using that service, but that's a.

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One-Year only until that is, it will go through may in the next year, through the.

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Spring semester of next year, and then they anticipate moving those students.

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Back into the residence halls, these are the residence halls that had the mold.

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Issues and as a tangential note have they also increased the student.

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Transportation fee is there more service on iu bus routes that may take pressure.

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Off of ours yeah, I don't know if they've increased the student transportation fee.

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I don't know the answer to that, but I can probably find out. I don't believe.

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The university has substantially increased any of their service. Other.

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Than to put out a bus or two to deal with over overloads, as sometimes happens,.

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Especially at the start of the fall semester, thank you, council members.

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Turbine so here's a thought experiment. The state government has changed to be.

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Very pro, a transit, the federal government has changed to be very pro.

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Transit, what level would you have to multiply your current funding by to be.

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At a level that people certainly all take, it want to take advantage of the.

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The transit and would really seriously think about not driving. I think I can.

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Venture an estimate on that probably an increase in funding somewhere in the.

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Order of 50 to 60 percent, I think, would go a long ways and making public.

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Transportation, more of a full-service than what we have now, for example, sunday.

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Service, which we have very little of right now could could be done if we had.

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Such an infusion of revenue, sources from federal or state frequency improvements.

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You know we have a number of routes at runs: 60-minute frequencies right now,.

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That could be beefed up to a 30 m or better frequency and then potentially.

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There's geographic areas that are unserved right now we're very poorly.

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Served that could be better served to attract more writers, so those are just a.

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Few examples there's other things that we could do from a capital perspective.

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That more and better technology, more, alternatively, fueled vehicles, all kinds.

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Of capital type projects, more shelters, that bus stops things that amenities.

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That would encourage people to use public transportation right just as long.

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As it was a thought experiment, you might still get three or four times the.

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Funding this might suggest, but that would be that would be a dream. Come true.

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Thank you, councilmember, piedmont, smith. Yes, I noticed that the estimated.

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Assessed value is higher in the bloomington transit budget that, in the.

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Civil city budget: do you know why that would be? Are you talking about on our.

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Budget forms- I don't know the answer to that question I would I would have to.

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Ask my controller- and I can get back to you and let you know mr. underwood, do.

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You know the answer. Yes, we both have the we're, given an estimate by the state.

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They encouraged us to use a number smaller than that they've used a higher.

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Number than we have so we went more conservative, but it is the same. It will.

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Be at the end, at the end of the day, they'll through it all up and we'll have.

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Both have the same av. Okay, so the city purposely underestimates the a b or goes.

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Below the estimate we all do, but we went a higher amount than they did wait. No.

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The city's is less than right. We use a smaller av number than they chose to use.

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But the state gives you an estimate and your budget agency or the dl gf.

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Representative always tells you don't use that higher number. You use a number.

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That's smaller than that, I tend to go more conservative in a much.

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Smaller number, if it just allows, there's a for safeguard, but at the end of the.

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Day, it comes back to it gets screwed up at the end.

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Well, mr. may maybe um next week you can, let us know what the rationale is for.

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The estimate that you don't find out and let you know, okay, thank you. Okay, any.

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Further comments: don't were ready to go home, but I do have one final comment.

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This is more of an athletic analogy. Many times when you go from high school to.

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College or college to purl the first thing that they'll say is everything.

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Moves so fast it moves so fast. I can agree with that because that's like.

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Going from a board and commission they're coming to the city council and.

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Legislating on your first couple meetings as a budget of 2017.

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Now what has slowed this process down for me? It has been the questions. The.

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Comments some of the in-depth conversations that I've gotten from my.

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Esteemed colleagues and I do appreciate that, I think we all appreciate.

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Discussing with each other, so I just want to say thank you all to that and.

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With that, are we ready thank you very much we're ready to go home. I do okay. Do.

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We have anybody in the public for public comment, seeing none we'll return back to.

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The council for comment.

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I got one thing, that's a memorable. Thank you. Look the question. The kinds of.

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Receive I've asked is a good one. You know how well we do if we had more.

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Money for public transit, I would again humbly submit the idea that, although the.

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Transit budget is separate from the rest of the city for bureaucratic purposes,.

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There is a funding source we have not tapped, and that is parking that parking.

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Should be funding transit, it's going to take time to figure out how much it can.

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Do but if we were planning our parking system appropriately and not subsidizing.

D

Car drivers and subsidizing the bus; instead, we would have, I don't know, we'd.

D

Have as much as customers, servo or mr. may said, you know like two or three.

D

Times as much would like, but it is within our grasp, it is, and we need to.

D

Not think about them separately. That's certainly my goal. Hopefully by next year.

D

We can start thinking because we have gotten parking under control.

D

But I want everyone to think of parking as a substantial potential. Local thunder.

D

For transit, thank you, councilmember, piedmont, smith. Sorry! I just wanted to.

E

Get in there before somebody said, do pass speaking of other possible funding.

E

Sources for for transit, I think we need to take a good look at possible local.

E

Option: income tax for economic development: that's the category of local.

E

Option- income tax that we do not yet have but are allowed to have here in.

E

Monroe county and I think that would be an excellent source to expand our.

E

Transit services have the buses run more frequently so that they are more.

E

Practical for people to use throughout the city, so let's keep an eye on that.

E

For the coming year as well, thank you, council member, a low, that's given those.

A

Two topics: I prefer the lid and I think that's the way to go. I would be think.

A

That we'd be fortunate. If we had parking that would pay for itself, I'm gonna pay.

A

For the garages, let alone fund a bus service, so I think probably the lid is.

A

The best feasible option for us is banning bus service all right before we.

G

Take the final vote. Don't want to remind my colleagues, we have a forum for resolution, 19 14 design before you go home, starting on my left. Yes, yes, yes, yes,.

T

Yes, yes, and that concludes our eight zero and it.

G

Concludes our business for this evening. Do I need a motion to adjourn or do we.

G

Walk out where john.

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