City of Bloomington, Indiana Plan Commission, 8 Jun 2020

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And let me call to order this meeting of the bloomington plan commission for june.

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8 2020 should we start with a roll call? Yes,.

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No, oh sorry hold on okay. It's all coming back to me.

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Sorry go ahead: fabia, yeah, okay, okay, kate, oh yeah! There you go you're! Thank you.

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Herrera yeah kenzie here, copper.

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Here sandburg here thank john here whistler here cockrum here and right.

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Randolph, okay, thank you. Alright, so looks like we do have a quorum, so the first.

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Item on the agenda is four minutes to be approved. It looks like we do have.

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Minutes from the april 2020 meeting anyone like to make a motion autism.

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Would have any suggestions or corrections for those minutes.

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Move to approve those minutes, we have a second, I see, commissioner burrell.

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Raising my hand and the kids, I second it okay, we have a motion and a second to.

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Approve the minutes from april 2020.

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All in favor of approving, I think we'll just do this by voice vote. If that's.

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Okay, only yes we'll need all commissioners unmuted, then I think you're good.

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I see a few that look like they're still, muted, rios and john randall very funny.

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Muted, let's see here, we go okay, you're asking us anything.

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We cannot respond to you because we're muted, so unless we're left unmuted like.

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You said any changes to the minutes. I don't have any, but if I did, I couldn't.

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Have told you that right, so I don't know why it's different this time. So.

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Basically, I am unmuting you guys, but instead it says asked to unmute. So are you all also muting yourselves, because the last time.

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I didn't have to do that. I could just unmute you come up before and just it.

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Was just a tip if you send that unmute out to everybody, you can leave it to the.

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Side and then leave it there to mute later. I don't know if that will help, but.

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That's what I did is, I just am. I wasn't talking I just left in there and I.

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Unmuted it the next time I wanted to speak, you may just wanders fruit, yeah.

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Basically like right now, I have right all of you. We did that a little bit last.

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Time unmuted, but then some of you would then mute yourselves and then that makes.

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It be so that then I'd then have to any of you. I think, and so I don't know who I.

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Was doing that, but also we did last time we which doesn't ask brad to cover again.

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If you want to say something, is there still the option to do the hand raising.

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Things that we did before we could not that will do that, but yeah yeah. So I.

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Mean like, for example, right now, you're all uh needed and that's fine, but for.

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Like brad is muted and then it says I just have to ask him to unmute. I can't.

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See myself so so I think many things yeah yeah, so there's there's something.

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Wrong key with the settings here, if you knew yourself, cannot underneath your.

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Self you'll have to wait for the host just gonna make this little tedious. I.

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Don't I don't know yeah if anybody knows how to update that setting, I don't know.

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If the top my head so as a general rule, try not to view yourself unless you.

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Absolutely have to let's use the hand raising if you click and look at the.

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Participants window, so, if you're on the grid view at the bottom left of your.

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Screen you can click on participants and then on that window, there's an option to.

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Raise your hand, so you can click raise hand. If you want to make a comment and.

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Get two opportunities for questions and comments or sure at the points where so.

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For example, when eric's speaking I'll just need all of you, but at the points.

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Where it's commissioner question times as most of you, don't have a lot of background noise anyway, we could just leave you all unmuted for that and have.

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That go a little quicker, probably yeah. I think that would be fine. Okay. Thank you.

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Okay, so we have a motion and a second think we're prepared for a voice vote so.

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All of those who are in favor of approving the april twenty twenty.

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Minutes please say hi, I opposed say, nay, okay, so the minutes are approved next up.

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We have your prints resolutions and communications staff commissioners to.

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Start with staff any any reports so you've already seen tonight we have our.

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New plan commission member chris cockrum welcome chris sorry for you to have to.

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Join us in this odd way, the first time, but we're very happy to have you with us.

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And so our second item under reports, resolutions and communications, is that.

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We have the city, has a signed fee amendment proposal going forward and I.

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Think mr. rooker is gonna speak a little bit about that to let you guys know.

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What's going on with that, thank you, jackie. Thank you plan, commission members.

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So the city, and specifically the economic and sustainable development.

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Department is considering a series of packages they're bringing them to.

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Various boards and commissions, as well as to the city council during the next.

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Two weeks you can try to assist the local business community with an.

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Economic recovery during these unusual and unprecedented challenging times.

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Among those measures they will be asking the board of public works to work to.

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Help close down portions of kirkwood avenue specifically beginning the.

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Weekend of june 19th and to turn portions of the right-of-way into into.

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Additional seating for those businesses to assist them in expanding their.

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Capacity while still maintaining safe social distancing for potential patrons.

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And again, this is part of a package of things that we're doing right now to try.

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To keep businesses local businesses on their feet, you may also have read that I.

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Think at this point, we've loaned out approximately 1.2 million dollars to.

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Local businesses using beverage money as well to assist them and another item.

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That we've we've heard from the chamber that they've requested assistance with.

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Is with a relaxing of sign, sign restrictions, and that falls as some.

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Of that falls within the plan commission's authorities, so there's a provision of the unified development ordinance that allows the plan commission to waive sign. Permit fees when the permit is being promoted by the.

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City and I believe, that's in the memorandum that I've prepared for the plan commission and so we're asking that plan commission during this time when.

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It's so important for local businesses to put up signs, given the change in.

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Operations and different protocols that they have that are coded related. It's so.

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Important for them to have some flexibility on those signs and they're going to have to have additional signs. So we're asking for a waiver of sign permit fees through september 30th, 2020 and, as I said, that's a deadline where.

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There are going to be a number of different things happening at the city that expire on. Anybody has any questions about this and more than happy to try to.

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Address those questions from survey, I could help freeze a motion if that would.

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Be helpful when the time is appropriate. Okay and.

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I'd also like to say that I got a suggestion here that makes sense, and so.

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We I made all of you, commissioners, co-host, so you should be able to mute.

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And unmute yourselves without interference. So just if you do need to.

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Do that, thank you.

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Do we need an end date for this memorandum or the waiving fees sign.

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Applications, yes absolute appear, the motion should waive so, and I can phrase.

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It for you, it should be through september 30th 2020, that's the package.

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Of reforms that the board of public works in the city council will also be considering all have that same end date in mind. Thank you.

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Any other questions. Okay, and when is it something you want? You would like us to.

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Take action on we would yeah. The request is to try to take action tonight. This.

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Happened very quickly and we're trying to move very fast. It's been it's been.

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Something that's happening quickly, largely due to the city council's.

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Upcoming recess, so their final meeting before they go into summer recess is.

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June 17th, and so all both the board of public works and this this action in.

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Front of the planning, commission and the city council, all of that is happening this week. Is this something that we do? We have anything in writing you. Can you.

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Just want us to try to call off the motion here. I could put the motion into.

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The chat there is a brief memorandum in the packet discussing this change like.

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Yep, we would love to see whatever motion you've crafted or hear it or see it in.

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Otherwise, I'm and I'm, I think we could just do it off the second paragraph in.

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That memorandum, that would work as well. I would do that, if I can mr. whistler.

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Yes, so pending mr. walker, robert roker.

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Ralpher I'm saying that wrong. Sorry, it's okay! I apologize um depending whatever.

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You're trying to type into a chat which seems like a lot to have to do that on.

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The fly but a motion that the city would waive the application fees I'm reading.

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The second paragraph correct these submitting sign applications between now.

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And september 30th and under the you do section 20 point. Oh six point: oh four: oh.

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C3E the plan commission is authorized to waive application fees when an.

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Application is being actively promoted by a unit of local government, so the.

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Plan commission in the motion would exercise its authority to waive the.

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Signed application fees for temporary signs, which is $75 per application and.

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Permanent signs, one hundred and twenty five dollars per application through.

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September 30 of 2020 how's that okay, so we have a motion and a second the motion.

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Is to to waive sign applications between now and september, 30th for temporary.

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Signs and from the sales do you have any discussion and questions about this like.

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Seeing none let's go to the public. Is there a public about the comments on.

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This motion brad: could you again go over the instructions on how they can get our.

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Attention that they'd like to speak absolutely so, if you're, looking at the.

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Speaker we that chase called the brady bunch for.

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You you're, seeing all the faces on your screen down at the bottom. You'll see one.

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Of the buttons that says participants- well, that's one of the number 52 units.

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Do it so if you click on that it'll launch another window, but that has a.

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List of all participants, and at the bottom of that there should be a button.

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That says, raise hand, and if you raise your hand that is getting in line to.

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Speak in person meetings so once your hand is released the host, I think, jackie.

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Can can recognize you, then it's your turn live up to five minutes to make.

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Comment at this time, this is common all along the motion to waive sign fees.

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Through september yep- and I just unmuted miriam morgan, so you can go ahead and.

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Marry hi, I'm mary morgan, I'm director of advocacy of public policy with the.

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Greater bloomington chamber of commerce, thank you for bringing this forward so.

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Quickly, we support it wholeheartedly and would support any action to ease the.

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Situation for local businesses at this time, thanks.

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Don't see any others, let me check facebook real fast, okay,.

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Nothing okay. Well, there's no additional comment: we'll go back to wish a fool in.

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A final comment: all right: let's call the roll thing.

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Whistler? Yes, amber; yes, copper! Yes! Well! Yes! Okay! Yes, cockrum! Yes, st. john! Yes,.

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Lindsey, yes, tamara! Yes, thank you.

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All right so that motion passes okay, any other reports or communications.

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From staff I don't have any, I'm not sure miss porter had anything terri. If you do.

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Go ahead have two requests: we'll move on.

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No, I I understand that some of the plan commissioners would like to make a.

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Statement about the recent events in our community and around the country- and I.

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Would ask the commissioners if they want to do that to go ahead and lead off? I.

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Think gillian had and asked to to make a statement and after you all speak if, if.

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You would like to hear a statement from me, then I'll be happy to do that.

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Thank you. Okay. I had a report before we moved to that. I feel like if I.

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Was able to jump in, I I'm not sure if it's set up for the planning commission.

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To give reports at the beginning or end but it'd be real, quick yeah. Well, what.

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Will allow a report from the mini commission area, which is to give a.

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Report, so what the hell first go ahead. Please and thank you brett appreciate.

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That and just be a moment, we did our we're moving forward with the county's.

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Cdo consolidated development ordinance, we did our virtual kickoff meeting june.

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4Th a lot of the focus was going to be on public engagement and then topics of.

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Focus groups and who would be good focus groups. We had about 60 people in.

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Attendance on zoom' and, of course we had cats, recording thanks cats, I'll be sure.

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To thank you on all the meetings. I do I'm sure they'd gotten familiar with my.

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Face by now, but thank you for always being there and willing to continue to.

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Broadcast these meetings, so there was a couple of conversations there's a.

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Recording on cats there's also a recording on monroe, see do.com. That's.

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Where we're putting all of the information and there's email lists, you.

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Can sign up for there's a lot of different ways that you can get involved.

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Now, there's gonna be more to come. Like I said we just did the kickoff.

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We're gonna kind of now bring that back to the planning commission to the.

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Planning office and then move forward, and there will be more dates to come and.

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I'll be sure to communicate those dates to you as they are set and again you can.

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Find all of this information on monroe m, o n, ro e cd, o calm and again cdo is the.

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Consolidated development ordinance are, the city is the heartbeat of monroe.

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County in a sense, I don't know how many people would love me for saying that, but.

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That's how I feel- and I think that this is only part of my.

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Role as the representative of the monroe county planning commission, so um thank.

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You and, like I said more to come with set dates as they are determined. Okay,.

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Thank you. I just wanted to make a statement as a commissioner. I'm not.

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Speaking on behalf of other commissioners or anybody in a office or.

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The staff, but I thought as a commissioner, I just wanted to acknowledge the current protest demanding racial justice across the.

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Country, including bloomington's large enough, is enough peaceful march and rally protesting police brutality. Last week. They demand.

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Our attention in action- and I know we're all reflecting on how our personal.

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Beliefs and actions and our community's practices, policies and beads perpetuate.

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Racial injustice and as a commissioner, I believe it's incumbent to examine my own.

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Decision-Making for racial bias to deeply consider the impact of decisions.

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Made and plan commission to ensure they're, not racist and in fact.

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Anti-Racist is really the goal here and to interrogate and strive to understand.

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The historical roots and influence of racist acts that continue to influence.

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Policymaking city commissions, particularly ours, that influence.

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Important issues of housing, land use the environment in our local economy should.

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Take bold, admittedly, challenging anti-racist action, including soliciting.

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And including voices from racially minoritized populations in our community.

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Identifying and dismantling racist and colonizing structures and policies and.

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Taking decisive action to make our community more equitable include an.

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Inclusive space, I look forward to making greater strides on these goals with my.

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Colleagues on the commission, the staff and leadership in bloomington and all.

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Members of our community towards these very important equity goals, thanks.

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Everybody thank you.

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I would like to make a clarification. The kickoff meeting was may 27th and that's.

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Relative because there might have been more people presence due to current.

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Events, so it wasn't june 4th that's the email I was just referencing, but the.

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Actual meeting was on may 27th. I would like to just voice support for.

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Commissioner kinsey's statement, I think it was well crafted and I am in support.

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Of of what she said without saying it all again, knowing something. Oh sorry, I.

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Wanted to do the same, I just want to just say: I think the problems in our.

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Community and our nation, what we're protesting aren't going to go away until.

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We eliminate persistent and indefensible gaps in access to high-quality education.

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Well-Paying jobs, safe can affordable housing and water and, as commissioner.

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Kinsey mentioned what we do on the plan. Commission affects critical issues.

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Relating to all of this, so you know it's dealing with those problems. It's going.

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To take bold thinking and informed by experiences across the whole community.

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So, although I think the commission itself can and should be as a.

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Representative, as it can be of the many types of housing and people found in.

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Bloomington, I want to say that I do think the values of equity and.

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Inclusivity have been evident in the work of the staff and the commission and.

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I also look forward to keeping those values at the forefront of our work.

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Going forward right, thank you. Okay, all right! Thank you for that. We will move on.

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Now to the petitions on our agenda tonight, first there's one petition that.

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Is to be continued to the july 13th 2020 meeting that is sp 11-20 johnson freeway.

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About 400 west 7th street, that's the first, their site plan approval to allow.

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The construction of a mixed-use building, 258 dwelling units, an administrative lee.

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Continued, we don't need to take any action on that. Yes,.

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All right so, mr. president, I'm so sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to. I guess.

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Since we didn't really address this, we do have a lot of participants. I'm not.

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Sure, if they're here for these two petitions um and I'm not sure if we're.

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Is there a public comment at the end of the agenda? That's not typically, we do on.

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Story short: are we asking them to stick around because they think there's a.

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Chance to talk, or are we going to, let them know right now, there's no chance to.

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Talk or if we do want to listen to what they have to say, I would say we suspend.

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Our rules and let the public speak first, but either way. I think we should make it.

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Clear because I doubt they're all here for these two petitions to the case, so I.

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Would I'd like to ask my colleagues what they think or what you, what direction.

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You would prefer to take president go ahead. Sorry, tron I'll just go ahead and.

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Clarify for those of you who are new or haven't been around quite as long our.

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Agendas are published and they are always the same format in that format.

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Does not include a public comment on items not on the agenda portion like.

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Would happen at a council meeting, maybe or commissioners meeting? That's not.

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Something that's typically included at the plan commission level, so I think.

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That's what tron is asking is whether or not you all want to suspend your rules.

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And include that tonight mr. wicker may be able to speak to more.

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What you would have to do to do that? What limits you would have to put on an.

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Etc, but yes, that is not something that this body typically addresses yeah, so.

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Just to I guess, to clarify by my preference would be to just continue as.

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Our normal agenda would be, but of course any commissioner is free at any time to.

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Make a motion to suspend the rules and change the agenda. So that's something.

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I'd like to do feel free to do so. In the absence of such a motion, I guess I'm.

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Gonna just seek some clarification here, so try and your question is that or the.

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Assumption is that there are folks who have joined us here today, who are not.

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Here to speak on the two or potentially three petitions, not on the continued.

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Petition or the other two that are before us, but that's what you're.

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Indicating right, okay, I'm just you- know, hate to address this difficult.

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Conversation, but I just feel like there are people that attended this meeting.

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That do want to speak to kind of the current events that you alluded to.

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Earlier today, and if we would like to do that, I would just like to know that they.

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Too, to alert them that they have the chance to do that at the end of this.

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Meeting or maybe at the beginning, but if we don't intend to let people speak, that.

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We just let them know now, so they can drop out of the meeting. Thank you. I am. I.

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Am a non-voting member, but I am allowed to make a motion so I mean I would make.

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A motion to suspend the the rules at the end of the meeting. I think these.

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Petitions have been here for a while, so we can move those accordingly to engage.

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In public comment.

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And I guess logistically: if jackie has the ability we could just kind of set it.

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To like a you know, a three minute.

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Three to five minutes worth of speaking time or you know, we have 50 participants.

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I wouldn't assume it's a lot I'd hate to do this. Just for four or five people to.

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Speak but it's worth it to let them know, and I think it's worth it to let them.

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Speak to so I'll make that motion. If anyone wants to get behind it, that would.

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Be great sharan just can we just? I just want to.

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Clarify so your motion is to suspend the rules to add to our agenda a public.

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Comment period on for items that are not on the agenda for three minutes: yeah and.

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If anyone needs to go twice or we, you know, we could be a little relaxed there.

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But yeah exactly you know. Yes, absolutely my motion. Okay, I just want to clarify.

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Because I'm not sure what they're gonna talk about it feels like trying. You know.

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What people are here to talk about? No, I just want to open it. I think we have the.

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Opportunity to listen today, and we should take advantage of that. And if it.

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Keeps us here for another hour, so be it that's kind of. I guess in my mind,.

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There's I just I'm not against what you're proposing I just would like to.

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Clarify because I felt like maybe you knew so there's the one topic of anti.

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Racism that commissioner kinsey brought up that's possibility and the other.

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Would be this question about the appointment of a plan, commissioner, and.

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In my mind, people are here for either one of those right. I wouldn't want to.

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Limit it, I just want to add yeah right, so I just want to be appropriate yeah. It.

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Could be about any yeah yeah, let's be clear, let's have my.

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Bonus to rip away and yeah and let's be clear, let's have mr. ricker way and we.

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Can't limit what they're going to speak about if you're going to open it up for.

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Public comment on the agenda to be literally anything right, so I don't know.

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Mike, if you might have a comment about what they would need to consider or what.

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Limits they would need to include yeah. I think you guys have the framework.

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Correct here you can't limit the content if you're gonna allow general public.

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Comment, you have to allow general public comment on any topic, so you can't limit.

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The content in that way, you can set a time limit for it. I do also want to be.

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Clear there are going to be additional public meetings, quite a few of them coming up where these comments would be very appropriate. The city council of.

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Course is meeting on wednesday evening. The board of public safety is meeting next tuesday and they always allow generalized public comment by the board.

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Of public safety, of course, being the board that governs the police department.

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For the city of bloomington that the civilian review board, so there are other.

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Forums- lots of other forums as well on for folks to attend and we certainly.

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Hope and encourage people to attend those meetings and comment at those.

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Meetings as well, of course, this is, we need to honor the people they are here.

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For for their plans to be approved, and they should take priority.

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We are the plan commission and that's our job and if their public comments, it.

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Should be done at the end, so that was that was part of my motion yeah, that is.

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The motion that's on the floor is two.

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Items that are not so, I think that the motions on the floor it's been seconded.

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The other discussion, or are you ready to.

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I'll call it a question: okay, we need to have a roll call. Yes, so let's call the.

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Morrell? Yes, okay, yes, kenzi, f, sandburg! Yes,.

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Whistler, yes herrera, he was having technical difficulties, I'm not sure he's.

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With us, yes, okay, great, thank you, copper, yes, say john, yes, cockrum! Yes, okay,.

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So that motion passes, we will have a public comment period on conclusion.

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About two petitions on the agenda tonight so moving along. The next item is.

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The petition for peteanddee 10 20, that's for habitat, for humanity at 700,.

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West guy avenue, this is a request for an amendment to the preliminary plan and.

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District board minutes for the thompson pud to add 8.46 acres to about 70 single.

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Family lots. This also has a request to delegate the final plan approval to.

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Staff we have here eric. Are you with us mr. speck eric? Are you there? I'm here.

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But I can't share my screen. Well, that's weird! Okay hold on. Let me just check.

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Make sure your? Oh, I'm, sorry, just a sec! Okay! Try it again! Sorry about.

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That! Yes, all right here, okay first case pud.

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10-20, this is a petition for habitat for humanity, for eight and a half acre.

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Property, that is on the southwest side of town. The property has split zoning on.

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It portion of it is zoned r2, and a portion of this lies within the thompson.

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Pud so, as you can see on the site plan or I'm sorry on the jas location map on.

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The right side of your screen, this is located at the west end of cherokee.

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Drive chambers drive duncan drive guy avenue and then a section of barnard.

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Drive stubbs into the south side of the site, so the petitioners are requesting.

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An amendment to the preliminary plan and the district ordinance for thompson pud.

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To add the 8.46 acres of this property into the thompson pud to allow for 70.

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Single-Family homes so they're also requesting delegation of final plan.

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Approval to staff so real crack I'll, just kind of show the aerial photograph.

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Of the site, it is undeveloped. There is a garage that is on this far south east.

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Side of the property- that's access from guy avenue, so the red line represents.

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The property boundaries, so you can see there's a little bit of thompson, beauty.

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To the north, so here is the zoning for the area, so the thompson pud.

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Is outlined in the bold black line, so the petition site is in the dashed blue.

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Line that I have drawn and you can see the residential zoning, that kind of.

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Makes up 3/4 of the site, so the petitioners are requesting to amend the.

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Thompson pd to fold this in for a couple different reasons, one of those being.

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That the site has split zoning on it. Now it is in the thompson pud. This is on.

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Parcel d of the thompson pd, which you can see right here. This is the thompson.

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Pud parcel map again the site location is outlined in the blue on the bart.

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Bottom, southeast side of the site, so parcel d allowed for single-family.

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Residences in this area it allowed for the residences along chambers, drive.

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Cherokee duncan, in order to kind of facilitate residential houses in that.

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Area of the pd because it was adjacent to residential housing. It was.

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Appropriate in that area, so the parcel deed did allow for single-family housing.

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So the petitioners with their request, they want to create 70 single-family.

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Lost these lofts would range from 4000 to 3000 square feet in size. So if you.

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Recall from the conversion map discussions that we went through just a.

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Few months ago, as the city was converting previous zoning districts to.

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The new zoning districts, all portions of the city that were zoned rs, got.

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Converted to r2 zoning, all portions that were zoned rc were.

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Converted our three zoning, so the petitioner, as I mentioned with the lot.

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Sizes that they are looking for here, the four thousand, a 3,000 square-foot- would.

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Not be possible in the r2 districts, even with the single-family reduced lot sizes.

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That are in the you do so I just briefly mentioned that the the lot sizes and the.

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Layout that they're proposing here is almost identical to the dip to their.

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Development on the b-line trail, a lot sizes, setbacks etc is pretty much.

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Identical to that, so the current zoning of the r2 would not allow for them to.

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Get down to the four thousand and three thousand square foot lots, so they have.

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To request this rezoning in order to accomplish that product, so amending the.

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Thompson pud seemed to make the most sense as a portion of the property is.

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Already in the thompson pd, the thompson, pd kind of enforce, saw and encouraged.

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Some residential dwelling units at the far southeast corner, because it was.

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Adjacent to that and it helped the businesses within the thompson pd. So the.

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The request for the expansion that thompson pd was based on on those two.

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Aspects, the split zoning and that the zoning districts that are there now.

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Would not allow for the loss sizes that they are shooting for. So what the.

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Planning commission is approving, tonight is just the district ordinance in the.

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Preliminary plan for the property, so the preliminary plan shows the layout of.

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Roads approximate layout of the lots and then the district ordinance approves.

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The standards, the development standards that will govern that development, so we.

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Are not approving a site plan, we are not approving a plan, but what the petitioner.

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Has prepared what those will look like in order to help base some of the.

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Decisions that are before the planning commission tonight so one of the things.

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That we are required to review with rezoning petitions certainly is the.

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Comprehensive plan- and there are several aspects of the comprehensive plan that.

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Support this petition, certainly the owner occupancy and the affordable.

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Housing is very heavily discussed and promoted in the comprehensive plan.

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Neighborhood, an enhancement of public improvements, is again discussed in the.

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Comprehensive plan I'll kind of talk about that in a second optimizing.

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Pedestrian connectivity to adjacent neighborhoods is also an essential.

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Component immediately to the west of this property is the rc a community park.

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So that, if that is immediately to the west of that- and the petitioners are tying into that with a multi-use path, that they've kind.

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Of shown around the central portion of the site, the petitioners are also.

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Working on- and I discussed this in my staff report- a connection on the north.

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Side of the property so real quickly on the aerial photograph. Here, I'm just.

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Going to kind of outline a corridor that runs through the the north side of this.

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Site it connects from roger street all the way over to wiemer road, and it has a.

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Large electric transmission line that runs through that corridor, so the parks.

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Department has been looking at this corridor for a while, as a prospective.

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Area that would provide a major link in the alternative transportation network.

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In the southwest portion of the city, it would connect to the clear creek trail.

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And wapa honey park over on weber road. This corridor ties in literally to the.

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Front door of switch art park, so this petition is looking at ways that they.

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Can contribute to the the possible construction of that part, so we're.

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Continuing to have those conversations with the petitioner and the parks department, but that is something that would be an aspect of this petition in.

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Terms of the pedestrian connectivity and improvements and enhancement of public.

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Improvements in this area, so the comprehensive plan certainly encourages.

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Of many aspects of this petition, so, as I mentioned, this petition is requesting a.

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Specific set of district ordinance guidelines and standards that are being.

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Proposed the development and the district standards are based on the r4.

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Zoning district, so the rfo rezoning district allows for a lot size of 4,000.

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Square feet: minimum lot; width of 35 feet; side, yard, setbacks of 5 feet and rear.

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Yard of 25, so the petitioners are requesting to amend that rear yard.

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Setback to 20 feet instead of 25 they're requesting for the minimum lot width to.

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Be allowed to be 30 feet rather than 35 feet for the attached residences. Only so.

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The attached residence is are the ones that are kind of along the.

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Multi-Use trail kind of on the north central portion of the site. Those are.

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Proposed to be 30 foot wide locks, so that is one of the specific district.

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Standards and then, as I mentioned, a well as as well the minimum lot size of three.

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Thousand square feet and four thousand square feet for the minimum lot size so.

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One of the other things that is being requested with this would deal with the.

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Further subdivision that would come down the line. The traditional subdivision.

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Type requires a minimum of sixty seven percent of the lots.

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Be served by an ally. This petition is proposing fifty seven percent so that.

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Would be for the lots that are located in the central portion of the site as.

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Well, as just to the east of those, those are all alleys serve due to a lot of the.

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Trees that are being preserved along the property boundaries they're not able to.

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Incorporate an alley through all of those lots as well as well as preserve.

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The trees, so one of the stains that they're requesting here would be to.

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Allow for the 57 percent, so one of the other unique aspects of this that I.

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Briefly, talked about at the beginning revolves around a garage and workshop.

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That is at the southeast portion of the site. Habitat would like to be able to.

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Utilize that, during the construction of this development for the on-site.

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Construction office, as well as to store some of their building materials so that.

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Is that is located on the southeast side? So we we address that in our staff.

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Report as well as with a condition of approval, so all of the the public.

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Streets within this development would be public. They would have on street parking.

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One of the other aspects, and again this is not specific to the approval tonight.

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But deals with the subdivision in the future would be to allow for some of.

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These streets to not have on street parking the traditional subdivision type.

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Requires that so they are requesting for the extension of chambers and for duncan.

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To not have that on street parking real quickly. I just gotta talk about.

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Those streets, chambers and cherokee and duncan and.

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To the east are very narrow streets in some instances there is no dedicated.

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Right away and the travel lanes are very narrow, so in keeping with that kind of.

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Layout, it doesn't really work to extend those and have the on street parking.

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So the petitioners are simply requesting for those two extensions: do not have the.

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On street parking, but that's something that the plat committee would deal with.

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Or the plane commission, whichever board here, is preliminary plat. However, we did.

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Want to call that out in in early conversations here. But there are all of.

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The streets would be public, the alleys would be public, they would be dedicated with and built to all of our standards. So with that, as I mentioned, you know the.

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Specific four standards that are being requested that deviate from the code are.

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Outlined in the staff report and are on the screen right now, so we have.

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Expressed to the petitioner some concerns about making sure that we've.

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Got a diversity in architectural styles again: this is something that was brought.

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Up with the b-line neighborhood, the petitioners came up with several.

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Different renderings and architectural styles for housing in order to make sure.

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That we did have some diversity so we're we will continue to have those.

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Conversations we did propose a condition of approval that dealt with that, so they.

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Have submitted a rendering that shows some different gables patio styles along.

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The front so we'll continue to explore those those conversations and deal with.

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That with the final plan approval, but we do have a tradition that at least.

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Guarantees that so this is a rendering looking along that multi-use trail, that.

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I mentioned connects to the rca part to the west, so you can see that prospective.

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Houses and kind of how that would look and feel with the trail running through.

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The middle of development- you know this provides a central connectivity for this.

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Project to help promote connections to the park that is immediately to the west.

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So the the location of this development is very unique in ideal and an excellent.

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Place for some increased density in housing.

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Especially affordable housing and next to a major employment center, such as all.

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The businesses that are within the thompson park just to the north of this.

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So as I as I kind of just just mentioned, you know, the pud amendment provides a.

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Very unique and needed housing type within the community.

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It is infill development next to housing next to employment. Next to a city park.

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So is exactly the kind of development that the comprehensive plan encourages.

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So we are recommending approval or I'm sorry, approval of the waiving the.

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Required second hearing and forwarding the petition to the common council with.

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A favorable recommendation and these six conditions that I've listed in the staff.

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Report and I'm happy to answer any questions all right.

A

Thank you eric is there. Anyone from the petitioner would like to presentation.

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Okay, let's see if you want to talk through the turn. Okay, here we go mark.

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Thank you, hi, okay! Yes, all right! This is mark's wife, I'm here with linda fight.

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We're the owners of the house and property at a 812 west chambers. That's.

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At the end of the dead-end street right now and we I'm sorry I'm sorry sorry.

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This is we're not time for public comment, yeah right now, we're just.

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Looking for someone representing the petitioner, okay, we'll come back yeah.

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Nathan raised his hand that did nathan he's representing petition area yeah.

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Share my screen as well hold on, I can do that just a sec.

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I'm sorry, okay nate! You should be able to go ahead. Okay, so you can see my.

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Jackie, are you let's see, I can't see your screen, I'm still, I we still see.

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Eric's, but you should be able to share yours. I think you'll need to stop again.

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Let me stop sharing mine and see if that helps sorry, I'm looking for where to.

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Share mine you're fine, it should be on the bottom of your.

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Screen nathan, you hold your cursor over the bottom. There it is yep. Thank you.

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Alright, alright, sorry for the delay yeah, my name is nathan ferrara, I'm the.

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Director of land development and production for habitat for humanity, I'm.

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Joined by harry clapper from spring point and katie stein from smith, rehab.

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And then wendy goodlet, our ceo, is also with us so good evening and thank you so.

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Much for being a part of our first public hearing for habitats, osage place.

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Community- and it's been a long time in coming- we are building osage place to.

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Further, our mission to eliminate poverty housing by building decent, affordable.

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Homes and partnership with qualifying families, since our affiliate was founded.

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In 1988, we've housed 740 people and we just completed our 208 home we've been.

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So successful on habitat has been so successful in the world and in our.

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Community because it's based on a simple model, future homeowners, contribute.

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Through sweat, equity by hit building their own homes and contributing to.

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Homes of other future homeowners. Additionally, they participate in.

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Homeownership and financial planning classes, by the time they close on their.

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Own home and sign off on their affordable mortgage, they have put in an.

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Incredible amount of time and effort, and this results in habitat families.

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Becoming proud and responsible and taxpaying homeowners, as you all know, we.

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Have a lot of urgency in our community. One in five residents here live in.

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Poverty there's a number of stats there and a number of resources out there.

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Talking about how much we need more, affordable housing, habitat homeowners.

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Pay back their mortgages over 15 to 30 years. This benefits the community and a.

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Lot of ways listed there on the right, I mentioned property taxes, the amount of.

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Home equity, that's developed by these homes. Last year we had six homeowners.

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Pay off their mortgages and their foreclosure rate is less than the.

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National average it's less than 1%. This will be our third community that we've.

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Built we've learned quite a bit from the last two. I think eric mentioned trail.

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View the trail view neighborhood, which, and our view has been an incredible.

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Success, those lots are actually a little smaller than these lots here at osage.

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Place as mentioned, we want to maximize density so that we can carry out our.

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Mission to the highest degree possible, we see incredible points of connectivity.

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Pedestrian connectivity is there's going to be a lot of it here, as eric mentioned.

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The two trails that would connect rca park and switch are parked to the.

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Neighborhood and then the additional factors that we plan to build all of.

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These homes to be zero ready energy homes, which means essentially they're.

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Energy, star plus, meaning that every house will be ready for a solar.

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Installation if homeowners choose to go that path, so that's our brief statement.

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And we are here to answer questions we thank you for your time.

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Oh time line really quickly, sorry and so we're hoping that the plan application.

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Will contain you as planned and that by the end of this year we'll have final plan approval. Our hope would be that for phase one.

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Infrastructure we would be able to start next march and complete that by the fall.

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So that we can begin building habitat houses, the second phase of.

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Infrastructure, we would hope to begin in fall of 2023 and a year later, beginning.

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On those houses in the neighborhood, so what questions can we answer for you.

A

Thank you, mister fair. Are there any questions from commissioners at this.

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Time or their staff will forward the petition. Excuse me brad. I have a.

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Question: okay: this is actually for eric, so eric. How is the? How are this? How is.

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The parking managed along chambers and duncan now, and how do you feel that.

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Transition will be going from a non parking street into if it is a parking.

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Street or do they allow parking on those streets now.

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Okay, so a good question chris, so right now duncan's chambers, cherokee. Let me I.

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Would have to check real quick to see if there are any signs that prohibit on.

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Street parking right now there is just there's: a the streets aren't wide enough.

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To park on and even still be able to pass along there they're just that.

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Narrow in some some instances you may not even have to 12 10 foot travel lanes.

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So, given how narrow those were, you know tying into those, they will be wider, so.

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They will be a guaranteed to ten foot travel lanes for the extensions of those.

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But given just how narrow they are, and if those few extensions and I'll see if.

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I can share my screen here again that we can look at the site plan. The few lots.

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That are that are on those are alley served and there is on street parking.

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Just next to them, so the lots that are being affected here still have on street.

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Parking pretty much right in front of them. You know the on street parking, just kind of deals with the the guest parking for.

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Those particular areas you know: they'll have dedicated spaces for the residents.

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That live there and so the on street space. Is there just kind of helps.

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Supplement that so, as you can see in their site plan and I'll zoom in just a.

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Little bit on those areas, you know you can see how narrow duncan drive is right.

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There and how its widening out to at least a guaranteed ten to ten foot.

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Travel lanes, so it's just so very narrow right now, I'd be surprised if there's.

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Even room to park a car and still drive on duncan.

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Same same thing, on cherokee chambers might be a little bit wider, but they're.

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They're very narrow streets. Does that answer your question.

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It does it does. It makes me think of the management of the parking along those.

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Narrower streets, but but I do like the improvements so most and most of the.

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Houses along those have very have longer driveways, so I think that helps some of.

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The the parking needs along there. You know they've got dedicated driveways.

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They're longer I'd have to pull up google street view to know real quickly.

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If there any signs say no on street parking or not so give me a second, I can.

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Do that, if we want to answer some more questions, I can come back. Okay. Are there.

A

Any other questions from commissioners at this time, like kinsey, has a question.

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I have one, unfortunately, though it might require erik's attention, so I don't know.

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If I alright, so my question is about the your discussion about the concern about.

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Monotony of design- and I was trying to figure out if that's really addressed in.

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I guess you're referencing condition number five to me that didn't strike me.

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Condition: five as addressing the design aspect, as you were describing it when we.

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Talked and I wonder if, if the number five references for housing elevations.

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And I wondered what is the elevation difference that is mentioned in the.

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Condition? Okay! I'm sorry! Yes! So so when I, when I.

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Use the word elevations, I was referring to the look of the houses from the.

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Street, you know not nestle elevation topographic wise, but the different.

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Housing types that people have to choose from, you know: how do the gables look, how.

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Did the patios look, you know those small little elements, so that was kind of just.

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The same concerns that were dealt with with the b-line trail neighborhood just.

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To have different housing options available for how houses look, so we.

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Didn't have the same, looking houses repeated over and over again, okay, I get.

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That I just I was trying to clarify if the language elevation just struck me as.

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As not as clear, and I just wanted to make sure that I mean if that matches.

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And that language is understood by everybody, then I'm fine with that, but I.

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Just wanted to make sure I was reading that clearly sorry, yes, and that really.

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Isn't referring to the renderings the architectural view of the house? Okay, all.

H

Right, thank you thanks. I have a question for the petitioner. I'm just curious.

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With the 70 lot sizes, there are 70 single-family residences being an.

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Affordable housing that habitat does so well. What is your anticipation on how.

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Long, it will take to put people in all those homes. Does it like fun there is it.

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Two years or we anticipate that this will take us about seven years to build.

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Out this neighborhood, and so sorry when you say so, build-out is you're talking.

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About actually building the homes, no so so we are a little different than other.

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Developers and that we are housing people as we go right horseface. We would.

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Hope to be done in 2023 year, 2024 and that'll be 30. Homes followed very.

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Shortly by closing on those homes with habitat homeowners right, that's right.

E

Because you only build when you, when you have people, that's right about that. Okay,.

E

Thank you after I had a question for eric. There.

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Was something about in? In the let's see I'm gonna get back on the six conditions.

E

Recommended by the planning department, could you talk one more time about was.

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It the trees was that on here the tree plots. Can you talk just a little bit.

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About that tree plots have to be widen. Yes, so the the newly newly someone knew.

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The transportation plan calls out for sidewalks to be six foot wide and.

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Minimum tree plots at six foot wide as well, so the petitioners are showing five.

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Foot sidewalks five foot tree plots. However, the transportation plan calls.

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Out for six foot, so our recommendation is that we follow the transportation.

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Plan and have six foot sidewalks and six foot tree blocks within this development.

N

Okay, all right, thank you.

A

Okay, any other commissioners question for the petition, I'm sorry brad. I.

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Actually have one more question: that's not really about the designer features.

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But it's about the process related to the request for delegation of final.

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Approval, so I think this might go to staff so so my question is more about.

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The how the public is noticed about the final staff and if there's any room for.

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The public to have input on at that level, so once we, if we were to move with.

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The recommendation here and go with that straightforward there there, aside from.

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Me city council meetings: there really no other opportunities, then for public.

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Comment is that right, correct, so, if final plan approval is.

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Delegated to staff, there is not a public hearing for that. There would be another.

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Public hearing for the plant, so the primary plat that would be.

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Approved with this would have a public hearing, people would get notices on that.

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But the final plan approval would not go to a public body that would just be done.

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At staff level there would be at least at least one more here in the city.

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Council for pbs this petition itself certainly has another hearing series of.

N

Hearings in front of the common council, thank you yeah. I just want to make sure.

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We're clear on what we are moving, what we could be moving towards: okay, thanks.

A

Any other questions from commissioners.

A

Okay, seeing none, I think, it's time to go to the public for public comment. You are.

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A member of the public and you'd like to make public comment. If you could try to.

A

Raise your hand through that just fit them though, and leave jackie. Will you.

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When it is your turn, you have five minutes to make your comment please, as.

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Soon, as you are underneath it, if you would first just state your name for the.

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Record appreciate that and jackie, I don't know.

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If you have a way to keep them apprised of time remaining, oh my my let me see if.

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I can do that real fast hold on just a second.

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Brad, I can share your screen and I have the timer pulled up.

N

Oh yes, eric will you do that? Yes, thank you and and just to not lose track. I see.

H

One of our participants physically raising her hand, which is a totally.

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Polite thing to do, and so I just want to make sure that someone else has noticed.

H

That, because it doesn't seem like she has motioned on the official chat.

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Got it? Yes, we will not forget I've unmuted, mr. five, since he who had.

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Already begun before, when I unmuted him for the petitioner statement, so yes, we.

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Will go to her next, but mister fights. You can go ahead and eric. You can start.

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The timer all right, yeah, sorry for speaking out of.

O

Turn earlier, this is I'm here with the land of fife, where the property owners.

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At 812, west chambers, that's at the end end of the dead end on chambers. So this.

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Project is essentially happening in our backyard. I just have one concern here.

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About the the extending of chambers into a neighborhood, the end of chambers, that.

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Connects to rogers is like two car lengths from the rogers and rockport.

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Intersection and it's already pretty seriously impact to impacted by that.

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Intersection and I'm concerned to the increase in vehicle traffic would be.

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Detrimental just based on how much traffic we already have and how.

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Difficult, it is, you know, just getting out of our neighborhood also wanted to.

O

Point out we do have a parking signs to say no parking on friday nights. I.

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Believe I don't remember the exact times, but it's neither respected nor enforced.

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As far as I know, street parking is very common on chambers and many of the homes.

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That are already here, don't appear to have ample parking for.

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The number of vehicles owned by the people who live there- I do want to say.

O

Thanks for saving the trees, we got these nice pine trees on the edge like just.

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Across the edge of our property- and it looks like in the plant, those trees will.

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Remain so I just want to say: yes keep those trees there. They provide nice.

O

Shade for us- and they look good well well- just wanted to suggest that if the.

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New part of chambers and the existing part of chambers could be just not open.

O

To vehicle traffic, if pedestrian and bicycle traffic could.

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Go through, but maybe not car that would that would more or less.

O

Satisfy our concern: okay, just a sec yeah. I clicked on you oakley carlisle, but.

C

You'll then have to unmute yourself. We cannot hear you you're going to have to.

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Yourself: okay, here you go dad. You know just a reminder for all those here from.

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The public, if you have questions this is this- is not a time for back and forth.

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Since the clock is running, but if you ask your questions, we'll do our best to get answers to you only only go back to our final. Thank you.

S

I'll make sure government I'll make this quick cuz, I'm really hungry. Thank you. So.

S

Much for your for your information concerning this, I happen to live right.

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Next to the playground on rca park and I'm concerned for number of things, I was.

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A first one, the first residents to move into that area 30 years ago. I was the.

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Second house that was built and I'm concerned for one of the density. I think.

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It's a great thing to have affordable housing, because I was up that same time.

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I would said that person that need affordable housing, but I was in a.

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Starter house, I went through a full mortgage through a bank, and that was.

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Very difficult for me as a single person, no children and just starting out in a.

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Job, so I applaud this idea. However, my concerns is that for 30 years I've seen.

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Nothing but a lot with deer in wild animals and habitats, natural habitat. My.

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Concern is that, with the density of extra housing,.

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That will bring on the people that will be the primary homeowners david moved to.

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Things so doesn't say: vibrate their primary home owners of the habitat.

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Houses are good people like myself, but we're not sure how you do go about.

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Screening and who comes in afterwards, I am from detroit and I've seen results of.

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Affordable housing, the good part and the bad part, and what happens afterwards.

S

Affordable housing has been made affordable, but, and it turns into a.

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Project and the project, eventually it is not upkept- can be turned into something.

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Else like excuse the expression, a ghetto, so I'm very careful that we don't.

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Escalate into a problem that we already have to deal with right now in our ca.

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Park right now, I'm at a dead-end street and every night I'm dealing with someone.

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Driving into the park dealing with some type of illegal activity- and it's very.

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Scary for me, and I'm concerned that, with the the congestion of more housing, it.

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Will just perhaps add on to this activity and if I may sound, I'm just.

S

Being real right now, because I've been around a while, and I see what this is.

S

What has happened to friends who have also been in habitat houses? I I think.

S

It's a wonderful idea, but 70 houses in such a small area. I've looked at the.

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Plan and it looks conceivable, but that's very little like that's a very small.

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Amount alot and we're actually on top of each other. On top of that and another.

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Question I have is: what will that do to the value the home of the other.

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Homeowner values of their home, the equity that they built their home with.

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About other homes continue to go up or will.

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They go down dena oakley carlisle. Thank you. Thank you. So much for your comment.

A

Thank you. Okay. I'm trying to unmute willow hughes, so.

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You'll have to unmute yourself there we go hello. Thank you.

T

I also adjacent property owner. My name is willem hughes. I live at 2024 south.

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Bernard as my street is a connecting street to this development, I have.

T

Questions about because you perhaps we clarify the timeline of the project and.

T

Also give perhaps from experience with other developments, what construction.

T

Phases will look like on the adjoining streets. I also have concerns about the.

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Habitat destruction: there is a lot of beautiful natural wildlife here and I am.

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Concerned about that and how far back it develops into the tree line.

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I believe those are all my questions for now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay,.

C

Going to you greg alexander, go ahead, hello, I'm greg alexander! I'm really.

U

Impressed by this project, to be honest, um I'll start with one of the most.

U

Awesome things is that it connects five streets that really should already be.

U

Connected to each other, the transportation plan that the city.

U

Adopted last year says that there should be a new connection there, and this project includes that new connection, and that is just incredibly awesome. I can't.

U

Overstate the benefits the people that live on cherokee, their kids will play now with the kids that live in the other.

U

Neighborhood, that used to be almost completely inaccessible, even though it.

U

Was literally 500 feet away, it is amazing what that does. Last year I came.

U

To all these meetings- and I point out that there were no sidewalks and that.

U

Was really detrimental to the projects you approved last year because they only.

U

Had one entrance for the most part, they were essentially a coldest act that.

U

Opened onto a highway and then the highway didn't have sidewalks. Luckily,.

U

This doesn't have that problem. We've got five different entrances, not one of.

U

Those is a highway, and so the fact that people will be walking in the street on.

U

Cherokee is not a huge concern. I think the density of this project is.

U

Is fantastic? I mean that really is the secret recipe to affordable housing to.

U

Real affordability, not relying on subsidies or different kind of.

U

Regulatory mechanisms but actually affordable housing is density. That said,.

U

I a little bit concerned about this coming forward as a pud, the the you do.

U

That was approved just a couple months ago. It says that the purpose of a pud is.

U

You know, I'm not gonna read the whole thing to you. It has the word new.

U

Imaginative distinct, unique, innovative and and frankly, there's nothing remotely.

U

Innovative about the variances that that require this to be a you do, instead of.

U

Just a straightforward application or a pud sorry, instead of a straightforward.

U

Application of the r4 zoning district- it's it's simply asking for smaller lots.

U

So that it can be more affordable, which is literally the entire reason for every.

U

Single residential pud- that's ever come before this body. If you, if you make the.

U

Lots smaller if you allow a higher density than the developer. You know if.

U

It's a private developer. The developer thinks they can make more money, but the fact that matter is whether you're for-profit or not it's more affordable.

U

If you allow smaller units and a higher density and all the variances they're.

U

Asking for are just a higher density and I don't think that's a problem with this.

U

Proposal, I think, that's a problem with the r4 zoning district. The intention.

U

When the you do was passed is that the r3 zoning district would be approximately the same as the the current neighborhoods, but it isn't my.

U

House in a core neighborhood, it barely is.

U

Legitimate within the r4 district, if you were to actually build my house today, I.

U

Would need the exact same rear yard setback that's proposed in this in this.

U

Plan and so basically the core neighborhoods when they were built a.

U

Hundred years ago, when bloomington's population was ten thousand already had.

U

A level of density as dense or more dense as the r4 district and so really.

U

The r4 district is what we should have used as the default. Then we should have.

U

An actual more dense district for new development, where we recognize the.

U

Benefits that density provides to affordability and, ultimately to.

U

Diversity and so that's a larger problem. I really hope you guys get a chance.

U

Sometime in the next year or two to go back and fix up the r4 district, so it's.

U

Actually is meaningfully dense, so it's more dense than the way we were.

U

Developing bloomington, when it was literally ten thousand people, we need.

U

More dense residential neighborhood styles. Thank you so much for your time.

U

Thank you. Thank you. Okay, adam I'm meeting you so you'll have to unmute.

C

Yourself there you go all right, my name is adam hamill and I live on cherokee.

V

Drive another question about the multi-use path way behind chair feet. My.

V

Concern is if we are going to have lighting along that pathway and also I.

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Have a large brick shed, that is on the properly property line, where my house.

V

Was built in the 1920s, so it has been accepted since then, but if the path is.

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Going to go right behind the house, I'm concerned about how close that path is.

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Going to be directly on top of the shed that I have that well, it's like a barn.

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House in the back, and so my real concerns are safety along the back. There.

V

Was nothing else behind and if you're gonna be polluting lighting back there.

V

A

Thank you great for the answers. Okay, jacob, I'm trying to unmute you so unmute.

C

Yourself there you go: okay, thanks um yeah, my name is jacob.

W

Schumacher my wife steph and I live up here at the end of cherokee 8:16. So this.

W

Will be right in our backyard as well and generally we support habitat. We.

W

Support this project, but I just have a few concerns as well and I'm pretty, but.

W

Cherokee really narrow streets, I'm concerned about it becoming a through.

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Street we do have on street parking on cherokee and we have camp on the street.

W

So I'm a worried that the increase in traffic may not be safe and also access.

W

Unto rogers, as someone mentioned earlier, I'm also concerned with the density 70.

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Units by my rough count, that's about as many residences or as.

W

Are on cherokee chambers, guy and duncan combined, so I'm worried that the.

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Increase in volume on all these four narrow streets will be unsafe, and I.

W

Agree with what someone said earlier about developing all of the green space.

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On the parcel you know, one of the things we love about being up here is seeing.

W

All the birds and that wildlife back there- and I I just I wonder if the our new neighbors in the habitat community would.

W

Like that, too, thanks for your time, thank you.

C

That was the last of those I think brad. I don't see any other hands raised of.

A

Anyone on the facebook good fucking right now, I don't think so. No well! I do.

A

See one more hands: oh yep there that that was that before just a sec, okay, go.

C

Ahead and unmute yourself there you go. Can you hear me all right? I'm donna, reed.

X

And we live on rca park drive, so our backyard is going to it overlooks.

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The entire property- and I spent quite a bit of time eric- was so gracious to give.

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Me time and explains anything for me earlier today, so I don't have a lot of.

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Questions- and I do appreciate all of my neighbors and their concerns, but just.

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Want to say that we're quite excited that we're going to have a neighborhood.

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Behind our house and believe that the deer will move on to the park, this is.

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Where we see them many times and we have been up in the feline.

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Neighborhood and we've been out to the neighborhood off of matron, david leonard.

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Springs road and when we go into those neighborhoods, we see how well the homes.

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Are taken care of lucy gardens? We see children playing and we believe that if.

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We do have more families and more children visiting our ca park believes.

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That might cut down on some of the shadier activities that do take place.

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There sometimes so we're gonna, give our support and and how much we really.

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Appreciate having a wonderful habitat in this town like we do and helping people.

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Have decent homes too liberal? Thank you so much for all your time and all your.

X

Hard work, thank you right. Are there any other members of the.

A

Public would like to comment this petition. Okay, oh wait. We have one. We.

C

Have a live hand raising here hold on, let me get down to them just a second.

C

Okay, johnson, definitely johnson, I tried any at you so then you just turn you. It.

C

Yourself, hi, I'm stephanie. This is my husband, josh johnson, we're on cherokee.

Y

And, first of all, thank you so much for your commitment to affordable housing.

Y

This is something that was, you know difficult for us, as I think, a lot of people in this neighborhood. So we really appreciate your commitment to that. Our.

Y

Big concern is it's just 70 houses, it's so dense also with the switchyard.

Y

Apartments and the affordable housing apartment complex on the opening of.

Y

Switchyard part: that's that's a lot of that's just a lot of new development, a.

Y

Lot of housing all in the same area, traffic wise, it's already really.

Y

Difficult to get out of gerry keon rogers, and it seems like especially you.

Y

Know with cherokee, that's just gonna be more difficult beyond even just the.

Z

Difficulty to get out like, as you know, being frustrating it's super super.

Z

Dangerous you cannot see, as traffic is backed up. You can't see around coming.

Z

Out of cherokee, and so you just have to have hope somebody waves you through and.

Z

They're, looking through on the other side, to tell that nobody else is coming.

Z

So without putting in some sort of stop sign or something.

Z

I mean adding 70 more if you're looking at a car and a half on each of those, I'm.

Z

These streets, trying to get out onto rogers, is beyond what will be.

Z

Frustrating it'll be extremely dangerous. A second adams concerned with the.

Y

Lighting on that trail, if there is a trail kind of goes behind her.

Y

On one side, you have the backup people's houses. On the other side, you have just.

Y

Open woods, it just seems pretty unsafe. So um I just.

Y

Be curious know a little bit more about that development as far as lighting or.

Y

Any safety measures also of concern so we're putting 70 houses, possibly in an.

Y

Area that is actually a food desert. The nearest grocery store is 1.3 miles away.

Y

So that's kind of concerning it doesn't really seem like it. Then the homeowners.

Y

At kenneth's best interest also, I did have some questions as far as with.

Y

Habitat, I know the first development and habitats per habitat and in bloomington.

Y

Was on the city's southwest side and the second one was on the north side of the.

Y

Beeline- and you know the third one here is on the south side of town: do you have.

Y

Big plans for the east side of bloomington and one final follow-up to.

Z

With the pathway behind cherokee, is there going to be a crosswalk? Is there.

Z

Going to be something that can stop traffic and even if it did stop traffic.

Z

There it's so backed up. I don't really understand how that could be safe, but.

Z

The safety of getting from the walking or biking path across to switchyard park.

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Is a huge concern, and so how would that be handled? Thank you very much for your.

Y

Time, thank you great, hey. Anyone else from the public.

A

Last off of the comments.

A

Okay well seeing them, and we are back to the commission for comments or motion. I.

H

I appreciate several of the questions that were raised by commenters and I.

H

Wonder if we could resolve some of those, if people could speak to a couple of big.

H

Broad topics the traffic is certainly one. I don't know if we can answer the.

H

Question about lighting, I'm cherokee yeah I'd be happy to try to jump in and.

M

Answer some of those, so one thing that I want to clear up just a little bit is.

N

The multi-use path and and the chambers drive so what they are showing is a.

N

Multi-Use path that connects from rci from rca park extends through this site.

N

And then it'd be kind of stops. Let me see if I can zoom in here a little bit.

N

And so it stops when it stubs into chambers drive so from chambers drive.

N

Then there will be sidewalks, as is required on all new public streets along.

N

Both sides of chambers drive, as you can see, and then those will stop at the.

N

Property line for here because there's there's just simply not room along.

N

Cherokee chambers, duncan guy all of those streets to get in sidewalks.

N

You know that was that was something that was a concern from staff of how do.

N

We connect this development pedestrian wise. You know, vehicular connections are.

N

There, but it's just as important for pedestrian connections as well from this.

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Development to roger street, so given the narrow right away or even lack of right.

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Away along all of these stub streets, extending the pedestrians through there.

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Just it wasn't possible, so that's why the petitioner is looking at and.

N

Pursuing the option of the connection along the north side of this property.

N

Along that electric line corridor that ties in with kind of what the parks.

N

Department is looking for that would extend pedestrian.

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Connectivity along that entire corridor along the north, where it's it's more.

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Appropriate, where it's better and easier so the multi-use path, you know just.

N

Extends on this property, it kind of stops the chamber's drive. I don't know.

N

If the fisher has even given any thought to lighting along, there is at this point.

N

Or not, but it just kind of stops there. So you know, as this petition you know.

N

Several the adjacent property owners have brought up and something that we.

N

Hear on other petitions throughout the past years are connections. If you look.

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At the map for all of these streets, they stub into this property. It was always.

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The intention to extend these stub streets through this property and that.

N

Is something that the comprehensive plan and the transportation plan? All of our.

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Planning documents just reiterate over and over again the need for connectivity.

N

It distributes vehicular connections. You know what we've learned through other.

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Developments, certainly is that people will learn which of these streets are.

N

The safest to get out on- and it might be, that most of the people end up using.

N

Bernard drive to the south through countryside and exit there, where there.

N

Is a little bit more visibility? Maybe they will go to cherokee, but having.

N

These multitude of connections helps distribute and disperse that traffic, so.

N

That everybody is not going to one place. Certainly the multimodal aspects of this.

N

The the trail to the north, the bloomington transit eric, are you still.

A

With us, while we're waiting for eric I'd like to invite the petitioner to feel.

A

Free to respond to these questions as well. Thank you bad yeah. I just I wanted.

P

To thank everybody for their comments. I also wanted to extend an invitation.

P

For all neighbors to contact us, they can contact me directly or I know, there's.

P

Other people on our staff that are happy to answer questions. We understand this.

P

Is a work in progress, and this is truly we're in the early phases of this. So.

P

This is a good time for comments and in terms of the trail, and that is the.

P

Newest part of this whole project and in terms of lighting and that kind of thing.

P

We would have to defer to the parks department and its decisions that they.

P

Will have to make if, if that trail does in fact take place speaking to our.

P

Habitat about our habitat home owners, our experience I just wanted to.

P

Reiterate that they go through a year's worth of classes on home ownership and.

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Financial management, our experience with our home owners, is that they are some of.

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The most responsible homeowners in this city and they take pride in their homes.

P

And they took care of them. You can visit our current neighborhoods to see that in.

P

Terms of home values, our most recent build just appraised for one hundred and.

P

Seventy thousand dollars so again, our experience is that habitat homes raise.

P

Property values, and so just answer that concern and then in terms of where we.

P

Build bloomington is getting more and more filled in finding land on the east.

P

Side has never been an option to us, so we we love this location for lots of.

P

Reasons, but one of the basic ones is that it's where we could find land but.

P

More importantly, it's close to jobs, it's close to resources for our families and.

P

Especially for low income, families that is critical in terms of transportation.

P

We did do a little surveying with our current habitat homeowners and our are.

P

20 families that are in the program about five of them use public.

P

Transportation, five of the 20- so not everybody, has a car, so those those.

P

Walking trails that pedestrian connectivity is going to be is going to.

P

Be critical for this for this community and it may not be as much traffic as as.

P

Homeowners, maybe neighbors may be anticipating so again and just feel free.

P

To call me eight one, two, three, three one: four: zero, six, nine thank you.

A

Only we have eric back with us now as well.

A

Hello, yes, we lost like a ten minute presentation that I realized ii didn't.

A

Hear a word of it: well, I'm sorry! So if you want, I can id an idea. I only saw the.

N

Nathan, alright kind of heard that nathan said a few things. So let me attempt to.

N

Reiterate or repeat my wonderful response to all those comments and see.

N

If we can get somewhere again so what I talked about the multi-use path, yes, the.

A

Sidewalks, we heard that I don't know where you lost me or not so I'll. Try not.

M

To repeat too much of what I said so so the multi-use path, you know it just kind.

N

Of tees into the chambers drive sidewalks, you know we looked at.

N

Connecting all of those to the east and there just wasn't right away and room to.

N

Do that along cherokee and chambers and duncan so that's why the path along the.

N

Switch you're, I'm sorry that the electric line corridor toward north that.

N

Ties into the switch art you know played a key role in booming pedestrians to the.

N

East, you know the multi-use paths mostly will.

N

Be for the neighbors honestly of chambers and cherokee and duncan and and.

N

Certainly, the people that live in this development as well, you know one of the.

N

Things that we we hear a lot with petitions.

N

Is connecting to existing streets, the comprehensive plan and the.

N

Transportation plan reiterate time and time again the importance of.

N

Connectivity both for vehicles as well as pedestrians, so so having those.

N

Connections is essential to creating the gridded network that our zoning code and.

N

The comprehensive plan encourages- and you know what we've we've also learned.

N

Is having that distribution of connections helps disperse vehicular.

N

Traffic, so that everybody's, not using one connection, you know they've got.

N

Multiple ways to get in and out so it decreases traffic on those areas and.

N

It's very possible that the residents here might be using bernard drive.

N

For the majority of this to get out the countryside, so bloomington transit also.

N

Has pickup points along countryside as well, so that provides another.

N

Opportunity for people to use public transit rather than their own vehicles.

N

So that that helps address concerns of increase of vehicles driving along those.

N

Existing streets was that, were there other questions did that help? I'm not.

N

Sure what else nathan was able to help maybe address with their timeline and.

N

Construction, if you know I have to meet address that I draw on here, and I was.

F

Just thinking you could show the guy street and the curve how it curves into.

F

Duncan to kind of not just extend it right to that connection, that's gonna go.

F

To the rca area it looks like that was, I'm not sure, maybe part of the design or.

F

Maybe something you were working with a petitioner to try to mitigate some of.

F

The traffic issues- I think that is kind of a really neat feature to kind of show.

F

Some displacement of traffic that could mitigate it, so so tirana, I'm sorry! I I.

M

Didn't quite hear I lost some of what you were saying. There see that you're.

M

Asking about guy having an yeah guy avenue goes into duncan, and it doesn't.

F

Go all the way straight up to where you have the connection to rca. So it looks.

F

Like that helps mitigate some of this through traffic on some of.

F

Those connectors, so I just feel like that's an added feature that helps them.

F

Mitigate some of the traffic that might end up on guy street or people may be.

F

Worried about the rca park and traffic coming through there and criss-crossing.

F

You it looks well-designed where it's meant to really kind of focus.

F

Transportation and people aren't really gonna find shortcuts. If you will in.

F

Maybe some of the concerns with you know: traffic going up and down the streets.

F

Are valid, but I think this design helps mitigate some of the issues. Yes,.

M

Certainly, I would agree with that. Okay.

A

Thank you. Are there any other questions from commissioners either for staff, or I.

L

Have a question: yes, I plan in front of us and I see that all the corners they.

L

Bubble out a little bit I am wondering, are we do we have provisions for the.

L

School buses to come through the neighborhood and be able to make the.

L

Tight turns on the corners there if we're gonna have a lot of families here.

L

We need to account for the buses as they are coming through in and out. Yes, so.

M

That is, that is something that we would deal with with the the final plan.

N

Approval you know so what the planning commission is just looking at right now.

N

Is the preliminary plan which just shows the location of roads and there and you.

N

Know just a layout of roads and ss, so those fine details of turning radiuses.

N

You know sidewalk design. That is something that would be looked at more.

N

Closely with the final flavor.

A

Okay, any other questions for commissioners or a motion for cyber yeah.

AA

I heard complaints about the security now in this moment and with moorefamily.

AA

70, you know, like places this mine in certain way possible a increase in.

AA

Security, so I don't know what a plans do you have to first to to help with the.

AA

With the security in this area, no, and also the security that is going to be.

AA

Provided more more people, more families, and and mainly because this will be a.

AA

Place with more children, so I'm gonna let the petitioner answer that question.

P

Sure I can try to speak to that and it is not something we've planned for at.

P

This point, and actually I I think we heard some others and the public.

P

Comments speak to this that we actually think that more presence is actually.

P

Going to create more safety, adding population that lives directly on the.

P

Park is is actually going to result in more people being around. So it's it's.

P

Something we will certainly discuss.

A

Okay, thank you. Any other questions. Is there one.

H

Sorry, but is there one more community question or maybe I was trying to keep.

H

Track of some other community questions that seemed to me the confirmation that.

H

The trees will remain mark. Fife's original question is that true nathan, I.

H

Think it is based on what I saw the pine trees. He was referencing. I don't know.

H

Our eric of you and the map up, we have met with linda thompson out there and.

P

The tree preservation at the moment is just on the west side and the north side.

P

Of the lot I, those trees were not necessarily in the tree preservation.

P

Easement, so that's it also doesn't necessarily look like something we may.

P

Need to remove so they're not protected, but I can't speak to whether they'll be.

P

There for sure in yeah it'll be related to grading and again, I think the tree.

P

Preservation, easement is something that will get worked out during the planting.

A

Do we have one other question as soon as the dogs start barking, obviously, but.

Q

They're not gonna, calm down, okay, so as far as open streets go in the allen.

F

Street and how that is meant to kind of be kind of an open street concept. I'm.

F

Really curious about where you have that pedestrian and if you could zoom back in.

F

Where you have the pedestrian path on there now, this is something I observed.

F

Going out there and walking that area and the owner of the dogs are here, but.

F

Chambers like where the sidewalks are, I honestly think that could be like a.

F

Potential greenway concept like allen street.

F

Is what's connecting up to brian park and when you go through the transition.

F

Where it does have sidewalks and curbs, you just lose that entire feel. So it's.

F

Kind of like the reverse concept, if you go to allen street, when you're crossing.

F

Washington and I think until you get to lincoln, it has sidewalks and then, as you.

F

Continue up the road, it's just it's just open from you know, and it doesn't have.

F

Those sidewalks and it creates a great green pedestrian feel so I just wanted.

F

To kind of you know address that observation I had that it might tie into.

F

That concepts- and I I don't you know in building out those sidewalks now.

F

Wouldn't really add to it. So if that's any idea that the city has, I would.

F

Really look into it.

E

Brett, I have a question for eric just about process, so when what we're doing.

E

Tonight or what you're asking the plan commission to do tonight and I'd like you to just confirm this is basically wave the second hearing so that you take.

E

This back to the planning transportation department, figure out everything and.

E

Then it it does not come back to the planning commission, but it goes directly.

E

To the council, correct, correct, okay, and so I'm wondering, in light of.

E

Commissioner comments and questions here about the curb bump outs and tron's just.

E

Comments about the multi-use path and some of the lighting and safety like.

E

What is your thinking and maybe said this earlier, but I missed it. What is.

E

Your thinking, the department's thinking around asking us to just move and send this on to the council. So the things that the planning.

M

Commission should consider in terms of waiving the required second hearing.

N

Would be information that they feel is essential to determine if the standards.

N

Of district ordinance in the preliminary plan are appropriate or, if there's more.

N

Information they need to approve the district ordinance and the.

N

A plant, so would they like more information on you know the the lot with.

N

Reductions that they're requesting or the the lot sizes you know what.

N

Information, do you feel like you are lacking right now that you would like.

N

Before you could say a yes forward this to the common council with a positive.

N

Recommendation, sorry, could I maybe clarify I don't know, are you asking.

A

About waiving the second hearing, or are you asking about delegating the final.

A

Cyclonically to stab well, I'm cuz, I think they're. I think.

AB

They're really there's I mean both requested a really typically, we might.

A

Have a two hearings on something like this before we make a recommendation.

A

Making that not all there's an occasion you might with it, but I think by our.

A

Standard process after this is approved even by the counselor, to come back to us.

A

For final cycle, that's being requested by staff, we don't have a motion on the.

A

On the on it on the table yet so if you want to see this come back to us for.

A

Final site plan approval you'd want to include that in the motion exclude the.

A

Delegation of that to staff formation.

A

Yeah, I was mostly just wanting to hear eric's the just the reasoning behind it.

E

Just to get that said out loud, so we understand hello, sorry go ahead.

M

So so our thinking, you know basically on the recommendation for the the waiver of.

N

The second hearing was, for the most part. You know we expected concerns from.

N

Neighbors but for the most part, the petition is a fairly straightforward.

N

Petition they're they're extending the stub streets they're, connecting in.

N

Accordance with what the comprehensive plan and the transportation plan is.

N

Calling out, for you know the land use, it was something that the thompson pud.

N

Kind of called out for that, they, you know sing. A family was appropriate in.

N

This area, the land use, is compatible with adjacent properties, so you know we.

N

The the waiver, the second hearing, was kinda based on. We didn't really feel.

N

That there were a lot of things in the air that had to be worked out between.

N

The second and second hearing you know the street connection seemed pretty.

N

Straightforward, the the architecture was pretty straightforward, you know, so we.

N

Hadn't really identified a lot of issues, but certainly if the plane commission.

N

Feels like there's more information they need between now and the second hearing.

N

Then you know you would not approve the waiver and require a second hearing with.

N

The expectation that there would be changes that you would want to see kind.

N

Of likewise, with the final plan approval, you know that we've, the petitioner, feels.

N

Pretty confident you know that this is the layout that they're going with.

N

There's not really going to be much it's going to change. The road network is.

N

Going to stay pretty much as you've got it now, so you know between what you're.

N

Seeing now in the final plan, you know we expect it to be almost identical, so you.

N

Know the delegation to final plan approval just kind of helps, speed up the.

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Process for the petitioner and reduces the burden on the plane commission for.

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Something that they feel that you know they're pretty confident with the layout.

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And and being able to address the issues that are on the table, great, thank you. So.

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That's very helpful, so it's really good to read like the packet and the.

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Recommendations and very nicely professionally presented and it's super.

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Helpful just to hear you verbalize the summary of what the department is.

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Thinking behind why they're asking us to do that, I find that to be incredibly.

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Helpful and I'm supportive of the department's stance- and I really want to.

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Just say thank you for explaining that so well and in such a nice summary.

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Fashion you're welcome. Thank you.

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Okay, any additional questions or someone like to make the motion I'll make a.

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Motion to support pud, 10:20 habitat humanity to amend the preliminary plan.

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And the district ordinance for the thompson pud to add 8.46, acres and.

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Allowed the seventy single family lots and to also request delegation of the.

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Final approval to staff second, there are, there are within the staff.

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Recommendation there were six: oh yeah, yes, what the conditions yeah delegation.

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Of delegation of the final plan to staff, as only was the first of those six so.

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Let me just make sure to clarify here julie, your your your. Your motion is to.

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To forward this petition to the council with a favorable recommendation with the.

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Conditions exactly as their yes thank you and we'll need you to address.

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Whether or not you're recommending waiver of the second required hearing.

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That's on eric green yeah. Can we put that that make that in.

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The part of the same motion, or do we need set sure this is this- is your.

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Motion so you you'll feel free to add a seventh position or add as well that.

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Your motion concluded that the forwarding directly to the contractor.

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I'll second, okay, a second okay. So we have a motion and a second. The motion is.

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To date, the second hearing to forward this to the county council with a.

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Favorable recommendation and the six conditions, as included in the packet, is.

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There any final comments from commissioners before.

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Thank you. In reading this proposal, habitat has been a very good partner.

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With the city of lymington, as evidenced by the first two communities, and so I.

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Was very excited to read this and see what the staffs recommendations were and.

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I did support it upon first blush hearing the members of the public.

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Tonight, I think, adds a richness to the conversation, because there are concerns.

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I think, with respect to the density, it's been made very clear that this is gonna.

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Be phased in over a number of years, so we're not talking about 70 units. You.

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Know suddenly appearing that are going to clearly cause some adjustment issues.

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Those adjustments are going to be made over time and that's what makes me feel.

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Very comfortable about the level of density and as many people have already.

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Spoken, this is critical to being able to get the affordable housing that this.

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Community desperately desperately needs, and so moving forward on this, I think, is.

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Valuable but there were some great comments made about the food desert.

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I think the mountains made a good point about again as more and more people.

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Start living here and we've got other other projects along the switchyard. That.

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Hopefully, is going to drive more energy toward the kind of food distribution.

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That we're going to need us. We have debt, more dense populations. Many concerns.

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About housing, values and what's it's going to do, but I especially appreciated.

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Mrs. reed's comment about being excited about this because there's some kind of.

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Unsavory activity and that our see a park as right now and I think always.

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Having more eyes more population, there is going to do nothing but improve the.

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Safety concerns in that area so again much appreciation for the public comment.

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That does help us in our decision-making and it helps us moving forward as this.

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Project becomes more fully developed, but ice completely support the project and.

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Look forward to seeing it come online. Thank you. Mr. king has.

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I just want a second what susan just said. I think this plan is: it's really.

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Beneficial for the community. I appreciate the public comments. I do.

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Think that those help identify some issues for ongoing attention. As this.

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Unfolds but I, but it looks great on so many fronts and very helpful to the.

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Community as well that there are features of this, including that new.

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Multi-Purpose path which looks like it will be very beneficial for the rest of.

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The community as well, so I I think it it looks- really good all around I'm very.

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Happy to support it I'll just add one final comment: in addition to everything.

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Else everyone said already said about this. I think one of the most outstanding developments and aspects of this plan is.

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The park to park connections- and I think that is such a wonderful way to think.

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About this work as we're building bridges from parks to park and and.

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Really, I think deriving tremendous public benefit from this project, so I'm.

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Really excited about it quickly, echo also them it's been mentioned. A number.

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Times of connecting all these dead-end streets and which I think it's really.

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Great there was a big knowledge of concern earlier about somebody on.

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Chamber drive and how it can be difficult to turn out on to rogers, and I.

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Think eric did a good job of describing some of the benefits of the connected.

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Grid but one appoint it, those benefits aren't just for the new homes giving.

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Them options of where to go out, but also today, if you live on chambers, drive that.

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Is your only option to come in and out, and so you know, even if it's peak hour.

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And you know it's gonna be hard to make a left turn on the risers. That's your.

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Only option so once those connections are made, then you can also make those.

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Other choices and go to go down to guy and turn onto rockport or go down and.

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Get out of countryside so I think there's a lot of benefit.

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Thing. Thank you. Any other final comment.

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All right we're ready to call the question then, on the motion to forward.

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This without a second hearing to become a counselor positive recommendation with.

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The six conditions I don't want to okay can I have clarification on the second.

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Thank you cochran, yes, herrera. Yes, eight! Yes,.

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Copper? Yes, kenzie! Yes, burrell, yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Saint john, yes whistler! Yes, thank you.

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Okay, so that my passes eight nine, zero; okay, it's okay, all right! So next up on.

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Our gender that is pg 12-20, is trinet oz ventures at 1515, north arlington park.

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Drive this is the quest for final approval and thank you yes, so next.

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Petition this is a request from the trinity development team for the project.

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At 1723 west arlington park says council are the the planck commission is.

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Familiar with this site a little bit, this receive the rezoning request.

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Earlier this year was finally approved, and so the.

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Petitioners are moving forward with their final plan approval to allow for.

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The carrying out of the preliminary plan that was approved earlier so in essence,.

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The preliminary plan was approved as a plan commission saw it. So the final plan.

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That they are coming forward with tonight is is almost literally identical.

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There are the node changes overall to the layout of the roads. There been a few.

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Changes just to the on street or the the parking arrangement on parcel b, but I'll.

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Go through that just briefly in a second here, so just a real, quick, quick, quick.

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Overview of the project, it's composed of four separate parcels, so you've got a.

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Parcel a on the north side of the site that was approved for 45 single family.

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Locks to the south of that parcel b was approved for a mix of townhomes and.

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Duplex style development, parcel c had a large four-story multi-family building.

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And then, just to the south of that parcel d again was a mix of townhomes.

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And attached residences as well, so the internal roads are all public for the.

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Most part parcel b, those will be private roads, they have modified the design of.

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That to have parallel on street spaces, there is an electric line easement that.

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Runs north-south at the property that would have some parking along the west.

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Side of that, that would be private, but overall the streets in here would be.

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Public there is a 10-foot wide multi-use path.

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That extends from arlington park, drive or arlington drive to the east. The.

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Multi-Use path extends through the site, goes south and then connects down to.

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17Th street, to the south of this, so there are still connections. There are.

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Still, two connections that are shown extending the 17th street, the petitioner.

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Is working with the adjacent property owners to get them to sign on to.

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Dedicating, anyway, to make those both fold public.

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Street connections that would be a full public street connection, al to our.

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Linkedin to the east, so real, quick I'll, just kind of go through each of the.

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Areas, as I mentioned area a would be 45 single family lots. These would be.

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Dedicated to the city, there would be streets. These would all.

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Be alley loaded, public streets on the front public alleys along the rear, so.

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Those would be dedicated to the city and developed according to the r4 standards.

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Which, as we just discussed with the previous petition, allowed for small lot.

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Sizes allowed for single-family duplexes triplexes, so the city is still working.

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On a development plan for that, but those would be dedicated to the city and built.

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With all infrastructure, just as south of that area b, this is a mix of townhomes.

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Along the street on the north side and the interior roads would be private. They.

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Modify the design of those streets to have parallel, rather than the pull in.

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Perpendicular spaces, so this creates a lot more of a neighborhood feel to this.

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Area and certainly was an improvement you can see here in this site plan the.

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Hatched area represents the riparian buffer and wetlands areas, the planning.

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Commission approved those crossings, as the you do does allow for crossings.

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Through riparian buffer areas as needed for connectivity, so one of the things.

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That happened during the plan committee. The council review some of the the.

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Townhomes were brought up along the streets a little bit more so kind of a.

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Staggered approach, which increases some of the modulation along there, which was.

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Certainly a benefit as well, but more or less. This is this is exactly in line.

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With the preliminary plan that was approved so area c was the multifamily.

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Building so this had four storeys of apartment, with ground-floor parking.

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Garage as well as a small retail component, the overall building size was.

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Reduced a little bit as a result of actual design, drawings.

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That were more accurately prepared, so that got a little bit smaller. So there.

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Would be a parking garage that would have parking for, I believe, 50 parking.

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Spaces and this would serve all of the the residents that live in this building.

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And I'll go through an elevation of that right now, so you can see kind of a.

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Masonry base around the bottom, the upper areas consist of fiber cement board that.

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Is a mix of horizontal, as well as a vertical kind of board and batten? Look.

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It's got resonator a pitched roof along the top of that as well, and so I believe.

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That this also will have a white roof design, which is something that they.

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Called out for earlier in the preliminary plan hearings, so the area.

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Just south of that area d, as I mentioned, these are townhomes and paired patio.

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Homes, these all front on public streets, as you can see here, with parallel spaces.

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So these would be fully dedicated public streets that run through here again. This.

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Is exactly as the plan commission saw it not too long ago, with the preliminary.

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Plan so one of the things that we've been working with them are the design of.

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The townhomes, so that was something that the preliminary plan urged diversity of.

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Architecture, so the renderings for these have a variety of building heights. That.

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You can see as well as modulation, so they've got ins and outs along the.

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Building line there are patios that are shown along the fronts of the units. The.

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Gifts of diversity and break up to that as well, so you can see here another.

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Rendering a lot of the end units and interior buildings kind of have built.

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Out dormers, almost that give it more modulation, they've got sills and lentils.

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Along the building's, as well as the diversity of shutter types as well. So if.

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You've got a good break up of architecture. You know you're not looking.

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At the same building type over and over again, they've also got a variety of.

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Colors that they've shown those specific elevations are shown in.

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The packet as well, so you just kind of get a feel fear of how the buildings.

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Look along the street and the modulation that the petitioners were able to.

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Accomplish so staff is very, very satisfied with the diversity of the.

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Architecture here, they've also submitted a landscape plan.

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That shows a typical landscaping arrangement around each building.

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Consisting of a mix of flowers and shrubs and small trees, as well as, inter.

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Dispersed within the buildings, there will be talk and ep trees. In addition to.

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The tree plant and the street trees that we've got along the fronts as well, so.

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We've been working with them to build up the landscape plan, build up the.

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Architecture, so that we've got a diversity, so the petitioners have have.

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Accomplished that staff satisfaction, so we didn't really have a lot of.

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Details that we were really trying to work out with the final plan, a lot of.

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That got discussed at length with the plane commission, hearings and the city.

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Council hearings, the petitioner is finalizing the agreement with.

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Bloomington transit that was specifically laid out in a detailed.

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Reasonable condition so that is being finalized as well. So with that, you know.

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We are recommending approval of the proposed plan with the eight conditions.

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That are listed in staffs report and real quickly. I'm just going to kind of.

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Address condition: number eight, which deals with an outfall structure that is.

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Located on parcel c, so that is in an area that is roughly right around here.

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And that is an area where it is a treif reservation area. However, after.

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Discussing with the engineer, there are not any actual trees in that area where.

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That outfall structure is being shown, so the condition eight is not needed since.

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There are not any trees that are in that area.

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There is still a tree preservation requirement so as it comes down to final.

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Grading if it appears that there are any trees that will be impacted, then.

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We'll make them move the outfall structure. The condition number eight is.

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Not needed at this time, so we are recommending approval with the seven.

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Conditions that are listed in staffs report and I'm happy to answer any.

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Questions, thank you very cuz there. Anyone from the petitioner from trinity.

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Asks if s would like to add anything more to the presentation, please jeff.

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Yeah you're unmuted go ahead great. Thank you good evening. Everyone, my name is.

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Jeff knable, I'm what trinette sauce ventures and I don't have any additional.

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Comments to add to eric's presentation, but just wanted to say hello and thank.

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You for your consideration and our team is present this evening, including myself.

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And kimberly hansen from trinity toss, we have our architect online dan moriarty.

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From studio m, we also have christina from spring point architects, as well as.

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Jeff feo, and/or daniel butler on from adam fan, you thank you, okay, thank you.

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Are there any questions from commissioners for the I had a question? I.

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Think the last time we reviewed this there were some questions about.

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Transportation and the transportation study that was actually I don't know if.

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There were some disagreements or different interpretations on that.

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Transportation aspect, but I remember that from the last conversation and I.

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Wonder if there's been any further discussion about the in and out, I.

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Remember there being a weight that was determined when someone was trying to.

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Leave the area- I'm sorry, I can't remember all those specifics, but I.

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Wondered if you had any comments about the transportation.

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um Implications, yes, thank you julie. I meant to mention that in my presentation.

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I got excited about that so yes, so the petitioner did submit a traffic study.

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For this- and there was, there- was a lot of information that kind of kept getting.

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Modified with that a little bit so our transportation folks did look at that.

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Study and we decided that the the development that is being proposed here.

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All of the benefits for that and the recent work that we just did to 17th.

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Street installing turning lanes wasn't something that was absolutely essential.

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It might have might have negative impacts to the infrastructure that we.

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Just put in so we are not requiring turning lanes to be installed along 17th.

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Or arlington we felt like the impacts you know for this development. You know.

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As we mentioned previously, you know any delayed time, I'm getting out with simply.

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Impacting the people that live here it wasn't immediately causing any kind of a.

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Hazard to the traffic on 17th or arlington, but certainly that's something.

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That the department will continue to monitor, and you know if there are.

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Changes that need to be made in the future. We can. We can look into that.

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Thank you thanks any other questions for.

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Commissioners, okay, I assume none and we will go to the public or for comment on.

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This petition, with the public and you'd like to comment on community 12-20.

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Please, in the participants, tab click the raise hand, button.

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Just don't let me check facebook really bad. None there. Okay last call to public.

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Comment: that's 12-20, okay, I'll sing that, and we are back to the.

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Commission for additional questions, comments or emotion. Susan again, I've.

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Been a fan of this project since it came forward and it seems to have met.

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Everybody's suggestions and I appreciated the last piece and the.

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Question about the traffic study, that's helpful, but I'm most excited about the.

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Parcel of land that's going to be dedicated to the city for development as.

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We see fit, there's just so much variety here in this project that I.

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Wholeheartedly support it and we'll be glad to have the chance to vote on it.

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Tonight, thank you. I'm sorry, I'm just seeing in the chat now one term about.

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Stephanie johnson working earlier, oh yeah, yeah. I do find that bigger thing.

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Yeah so yeah, I just saw the it's response to what I miss something: okay,.

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Very good sara this would be a good time to get a.

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Motion and move that we approve pud 12:20, with the seven conditions outlined.

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By staff and just to be clear, that's conditions.

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One through seven: well, yes, okay, motion in a second any final questions.

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Okay, well, yes, kenzi! Yes, I remember yes, cockrum! Yes, whistler, yes, amber! Yes,.

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Hopper, yes, saint john, yes, okay, okay, that pass is not easy. Okay, so we are now.

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Completed our two petitions and to the point in our general, you have suspended.

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The rules to add a period of public comments and we're at that point now so.

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What we will do is we will remove public comments if you wish to make public.

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Comment raise your hand in the participant window. We will state your.

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Name for the record, I watched three minutes to comment on any item. That's.

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Not on tonight's agenda, jackie did you lose yeah, sorry, so, jim mr. shelton, I'm.

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Gonna unmute you in just a sec and then I'll try to just scream I'll. Let you.

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Know when you your time is running short, so jim, I am, you did try down at you. So.

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You can unmute yourself now there you go, go ahead.

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Good evening, I'm jim shelton with the chamber of commerce, but speaking at this.

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Moment on behalf of the casa pro, I can't resist this opportunity to speak to a.

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Different group of people than I usually and I was surprised to find there would.

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Be such an opportunity, and so I want to try to spread the word about casa cause.

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This stands for court appointed special advocates. These are volunteers who have.

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Been trained by the casa program to work for and work with, and support and.

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Advocate for children who are in the court system because their parents have.

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Abused or neglected them. Some of you may remember that, just about a year ago, you.

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Probably read or heard that we had adequate casas for all the cases that.

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Were being found at that time, this was due to the recruiting efforts of the.

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Casa program, but also to dcs, is changing their standards dc. Has the department of.

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Child services for bringing a case dcs, has reverted to their original standards.

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And the co mid-nineteen situation has put a tremendous strain on families. You.

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Can imagine people being out of work having no income having no childcare.

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Available for their children no school to send the children to puts a.

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Tremendous stress on the family and, as a result, we've had many more cases brought.

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To the extent that at the moment, well, two weeks ago we had 49 children waiting.

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For a volunteer to be assigned when the court asked us to provide one, so I bring.

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This forward to get people started to think about it. It's a great volunteer.

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Opportunity you can learn more about it by go into monroe county considine to.

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Work: click on the volunteer link and there's a frequently asked question page.

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And a lot of information, we have a training that started a week ago, one of.

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The first things that would happen is, you would apply, be interviewed, passed a.

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Background screening and then have a 30 hour training session. Well, there's one.

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Going on the house, so obviously you can't join it if you're interested, we.

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Have definitely got one scheduled in october and we're because of the demand.

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For more casas that we've got the program is seriously thinking about.

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Having another session later this summer, so please folks out there look into it.

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It's a great way to help your communities great way to work and help kids. They desperately need a volunteer like this.

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To advocate for most of the kids are under five, so they really can't speak.

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For themselves, they can't judge, even if their parents are cooking meth in the.

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House and endangering their health, they still want to be with mom and dad. So.

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It's a great thing that you can do to help, and I thank you guys very much for.

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The opportunity to bring this to your attention. Thank you. Thank you. The.

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Participants, you don't see any outs on facebook, okay! Well! Thank you all for.

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Joining us for our second zoom based plan commission meeting here appreciate.

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Your patience with the technical challenges and hope they've done.

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Everything you can do if you've ever want an opportunity to speak before the.

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Student, all in person again soon: okay, that's the end of our agenda, so we are.

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