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From YouTube: Boise City Council - Work Session
Description
Tuesday, May 17 2022 at 3:30 PM
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As
related
to
a
single
line
item
on
the
budget.
Ask,
and
the
question
was
asked:
what
do
we
do
for
that
at
the
city
and
that's
why
we're
here
at
work
session
to
talk
about
what
is
our
program
here
at
the
city
and
answer
any
questions
that
the
city
council
might
have
so
without
further
ado,
I'd
like
to
introduce
david
randall,
he's
our
enterprise
architect
and
cyber
security,
senior
manager
and
he's
here
to
talk
to
us
about
our
posture
and
what
we
do
here
so.
E
Thanks
alex,
madam
mayor
council
members,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
here
today
to
talk
about
our
cyber
security
program,
something
that
obviously
is
of
interest
to
you,
as,
as
from
my
perspective,
it
should
be
so
it's
a
good
opportunity.
I've
been
in
the
it
business
for
about
35
years,
the
last
20
in
enterprise
architecture
and
cyber
security.
I've
been
with
the
city
for
about
two
and
a
half
years,
and
I
have
the
privilege
of
working
with
two
exceptional
cyber
security
professionals:
nick
phillips
and
hojac
kosrovi.
E
E
Cyber
security
is
about
keeping
the
bad
guys
away,
but
making
sure
that
that
our
people
who
need
access
to
the
information
that
we're
trying
to
protect,
do-
and
this
really
distills
down
to
a
a
familiar
three
three-letter
acronym,
but
in
a
different
context.
Cia,
which
refers
not
to
the
the
infamous
agency
in
in
washington
dc,
but
is
an
acronym
that
stands
for
confidentiality,
integrity
and
availability
and
all
three
of
those
things
are
required
for
an
effective
cyber
security
program.
The
confidentiality
is
obvious.
E
We
want
to
keep
our
information,
especially
sensitive
information
out
of
the
hands
of
people
who
shouldn't
have
it.
The
integrity
means
we
want
to
keep
the
information
in
a
good
state,
high
quality
information,
that's
correct
and
free
from
any
kind
of
corruption.
And
then
the
availability
is
sort
of
what
you
might
think
is
the
converse
of
what
a
cyber
security
guy
would
be
talking
about.
Basically,
that
means
the
information
needs
to
be
available
to
the
people
who
need
it
when
and
where
they
need
access
to
it.
E
Our
goals
are
premised
on
a
security
framework
that
the
national
institute
of
science
and
technology
has
defined,
and
basically,
they
called
out
five
major
buckets
of
things
that
a
an
effective
cybersecurity
program
needs
to
deliver.
As
you
see
there
identify
protect,
detect,
respond
and
recover
identify
just
means.
We
need
to
understand
what
the
threats
and
risks
are,
that
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
protect
means.
We
should
put
in
place
whatever
safeguards
we
can
to
defend
against
those
threats
and
risks.
E
Detect
means
in
the
eventuality
that,
in
spite
of
the
safeguards
we
put
in
place,
something
bad
happens
that
we
can
identify
that,
in
fact,
that
is
happening
quickly.
To
enable
timely
response
respond
is
the
next
thing
when
something
bad
happens,
we
want
to
go,
stop
it
and
fix
it
and
then
recover
is
you
know
if
information
has
been
become
corrupted
or
lost?
E
The
problem
is
that
threats
can
come
from
a
lot
of
different
places
and
in
many
different
forms.
The
the
three
major
things
that
that
we're
concerned
about
these
days
are
what
you
see
here:
fishing
ransomware
and
activism,
phishing
you're
all
familiar
with
it,
the
email
that
purports
to
be
from
your
bank
or
some
other
authority.
But
it's
not
it's
it's
from
some
disreputa
disreputable,
individual.
That's
trying
to
tease
your
account
information
or
other
sensitive
information
from
you.
Ransomware
is
the
bad
guys
who
come
and
either
encrypt
your
data.
E
So
they
they
may
not
have
a
financial
motive,
but
they
still
are
using
it
to
to
try
to
send
a
message,
and
these
three
primary
types
of
threats
can
come
in
through
a
variety
of
avenues.
People
are
one
of
our
biggest
threats
and
that's
why
we
maintain
an
active
security
awareness
program
to
make
sure
that
security
remains
in
the
forefront
of
people's
minds
as
they
go
through
their
their
daily
work.
The
ransomware
attacks
are
becoming
increasingly
sophisticated
with
every
passing
day.
E
As
you
all
know,
by
our
covet
experience
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
the
notion
that
workers
are
no
longer
securely
ensconced
within
the
city
network
and
the
protections
that
it
affords
they're
now
working
from
wherever
they
might
be
home,
starbucks
a
hotel
room
on
an
airplane,
so
that
mobility
that
notion
that
they
can
be
on
a
network
that
we
no
longer
control
ads,
adds
a
potential
risk
as
well.
Obsolete
unpatched
systems
are
a
big
big
challenge.
Software
is
somewhat
ephemeral.
E
The
bad
guys
are
finding
vulnerabilities
in
software
every
day,
you've
seen
it
at
home
that
there's
you
know,
weekly
windows,
updates
and
updates
to
to
other
software
products.
The
bad
guys
are
really
good
at
uncovering
the
vulnerabilities
software
vendors
are
pretty
good
at
coming
up
with
fixes
to
them,
but
the
fixes
don't
work
unless
they
get
installed
and
keeping
track
of
that
across
the
500
and
some
applications
in
use
across
the
city
is
a
daunting
task.
E
Vendor
vulnerabilities
as
well,
we
saw
a
an
attack
last
year
with
on
a
company
called
solarwinds
who's,
a
software
vendor
and
the
bad
guys
had
actually
infected
the
software
image
that
solarwinds
distributed
to
their
customers
or
one
of
them
as
the
install
image
to
install
the
their
software
on
premise.
So
by
infecting
that
one
company,
the
bad
guys
were
able
to
extend
their
tendrils
out
to
hundreds
of
other
companies
and
and
have
the
compromises
there.
E
These
are
well-funded,
well-trained
and
focused
teams,
often
all
working
toward
a
common
goal
that
are
supported
by
governments,
notably
russia,
china,
north
korea,
all
have
very
active
cyber
attack
programs
in
place,
and
so
you
know
it's
again:
it's
not
just
watching
out
for
the
mischievous
user.
It's
focused
attacks,
trying
to
achieve
any
any
number
of
different
directives.
So
a
lot
a
lot
of
things
that,
frankly,
keep
me
up
at
night,
and
this
is
just
a
summary
of
some
of
the
recent
attacks
over
the
last
year.
E
E
Analysts
are
now
noting
that
state
and
local
governments
are
increasingly
becoming
targets
of
attack
where
we
weren't
such
such
attractive
targets
in
the
past.
But
you
know,
I
think
I
think
the
bad
guys
are
realizing
that
you
know
there
is
benefit
to
be
made
by
you
know
coming
after
cities
like
us.
So
again
we
just
need
to
be
on
our
toes
with
all
this
stuff.
E
E
Number
one
was
acquiring
and
retaining
talent
well
we're
in
good
shape.
There
number
two
securing
a
remote
workforce,
absolutely
relevant
for
us
because
of
what
I
said
before
the
the
advent
of
the
hybrid
workforce
and
the
notion
that
we
have
people
working
from
wherever
they
might
be
is
you
know,
adds
adds
a
new
dimension
to
the
protections
that
we
need
to
put
in
place
securing
digital
transformation.
E
So,
as
we
introduce
new
solutions
into
the
city,
we
have
now
added
a
technical
questionnaire,
including
a
series
of
security-centric
questions
that
we
include
as
a
part
of
every
rfp
rfi,
that
we
send
out
to
vendors
and
insist
that
they
they
answer
sort
of
what
their
security
posture
is,
so
that
we
can
be
sure
that,
as
we
bring
in
new
solutions
into
the
city,
we're
doing
so
in
a
secure
way,
adopting
zero
trust.
Zero
trust
is
an
industry
sort
of
a
buzz
term.
That's
really
become
in
vogue
over
the
past
few
years.
E
Basically,
what
it
means
is
defense
in
depth.
Never
never
trusts
that
the
person
is
who
they
actually
say.
They
are
so
it's
authenticate
everywhere.
That
may
happen
sort
of
invisibly
behind
the
scenes.
It's
not
that
you're
necessarily
going
to
be
presented
with
a
dialogue
and
have
to
type
in
your
password
every
time,
but
it
does
mean
that
that
authentication
does
need
to
take
place
so
that,
regardless
of
which
application
or
which
data
you're
trying
to
access,
we
have
a
high
degree
of
confidence
that
that
you
are
in
fact
who
you
you
assert.
E
You
are
and
then
the
final
thing
is
protecting
against
and
responding
to
ransomware
and
that's
kind
of
what
we
talked
about
before.
It's
just
maintaining
awareness
of.
What's
going
on
having
in
place
the
pieces
necessary
to
detect
when
an
attack
may
be
maybe
happening
and
then
being
prepared
to
to
defend
against
that.
E
So
here's
what
we've
been
up
to
lately
this
represents
stuff
that
we've
the
major
things
that
that
we've
accomplished
over
the
last
year,
or
so
in
terms
of
maintaining
employee
awareness.
We
do
monthly
fishing
tests,
our
employees
love
those
and
we've
updated
the
awareness
training
just
to
keep
it
fresh.
E
To
further
secure
some
some
critical
elements
of
our
of
our
data
center
infrastructure,
we
applied
multi-factor
authentication
to
accessing
those
servers
to
again
provide
a
higher
degree
of
confidence
that
people
is,
and
especially
the
people
accessing.
These
typically
have
broad,
ranging
administrator
access,
a
higher
degree
of
confidence
that
they
are
in
fact
who
they
who
they
assert.
They
are.
E
We
did
a
a
cyber
security
tabletop
exercise
last
year,
involving
the
it
leadership
team,
where
we
sat
down
in
a
room
and
ran
the
team
through
a
simulated
cybersecurity
event
from
initial
detection
all
the
way
through
response
and
recovery.
It
was
hugely
informative
for
us
as
a
security
team
for
the
it
leadership
team
as
well.
We
are
planning
on
doing
another
one
of
those.
This
year's
as
well
penetration
testing.
E
And
so
here's
what's
coming
next,
the
top
three
things
here
represent
projects
that
we
requested
funding
for
for
fiscal
23.
in
the
identity
and
identify
space.
I
talked
about
the
need
for
effective
patch
management
earlier
we're
looking
to
bring
on
board
a
solution
that
can
track
patch
availability
and
application
across,
not
just
the
microsoft
suite,
which
we
can
do
pretty
well
right
now,
but
across
as
many
vendors
as
we
can
include
in
that
in
the
protect
space
cloud-based
web
filtering
we
the
web
filter.
E
I
mentioned
earlier
we're
we're
going
to
do
a
repeat
of
the
tabletop
exercise,
different
scenario
this
year.
I
we're
we're
targeting
the
june
time
frame
to
get
that
done
and
we're
going
to
expand
the
the
participant
audience
to
include
not
just
I.t
but
legal
ce
risk
management
as
well
to
expand
the
fold
there
and
then
recovery
as
we
go
through
that
exercise,
we
will
be
applying
our
existing
incident
response
plan
and
taking
notes.
What
you
know
is
the
plan
on
point.
F
Mayor.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
have
a
specific
question
about
recovery.
If
ransomware
does
happen
at
my
last
place
of
employment,
we
did
suffer
that
and
it
is
my
belief
that
they
ended
up
paying
off
the
ransom.
I'm
wondering
do
we
have
a
policy
here
of
how
we
respond
to
ransomware.
If
that
were
to
happen,
if
we
were
to
have
our
system
taken
over
our
files
taken
over
and
held
from
us,
what
is
it
that
we
would
do.
E
The
first
thing
we
do
is
really
just
sort
of
assess
the
situation,
and
you
know
how
severe
is
it
and
do
we
have
a
recovery
option
that
would
allow
us
to
avoid
paying
the
ransom
we'd
also
be
engaging
with
our
insurer
and
and
securing
their
advice.
They
have
breach
coaches
that
they
can
bring
to
bear
folks
who
can
who
have
experience
responding
to
these
kinds
of
things
and
can
formulate
a
detailed
action
plan
for
how
to
proceed.
F
G
E
So
yeah
good
question:
there
is
a
an
organization
called
size
of
the
the
cyber
cyber
and
infrastructure
security
agency.
It's
part
of
homeland
security.
We
have
a
strong
partnership
with
those
guys
we
talk
to
them
on
almost
a
daily
basis
and
they're
keeping
their
their
finger
on
the
pulse
of
exactly
those
kinds
of
things.
E
You
know
what
are
the
the
major
sort
of
emerging
threats
that
that
they're,
seeing
and
they're
they're
plugged
into
obviously
lots
of
different
organizations
at
you
know
the
federal
state
and
local
level
as
well,
so
they
have
really
good
visibility
into
what's
going
on.
So
that's
one
of
our
primary
sources.
We
also
stay
plugged
into
other.
You
know.
E
H
F
H
I
I
have
faith
that
you're
doing
that
for
us
I'm
curious
as
far
as
looking
further
into
the
future.
We
we
approved
something
for
this
last
interim
budget
change.
I'm
wondering
if,
if
there's
things
that
are
telling
us
that
five
years
down
the
road
several
years
down
the
road
that
this
is
areas
where
there's
significant
investments
that
need
to
be
made
if
they're
gradual,
if
it's,
if
there's
any
idea
of
what
the
future
might
look
for
us
and
investments
in
this
area,.
E
D
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
It's
I
think
anyone
who's
kind
of
been
high
up
in
an
organization
is
always
like.
Oh
remember
that
one
time
that
we
had
this
happen
or
that
happened
or
someone
got
fished
and
ended
up
buying
a
thousand
dollars
worth
of
walmart
gift
cards
for
a
scammer
somewhere.
So
I
know
that
this
is
an
ongoing
thing
as
these
get
more
complex
and
have
greater
resource
needs
in
the
cyber
security
realm.
D
E
Just
to
forgive
me,
I'm
losing
my
voice
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
and
that
we're
all
aware
of
what
one
another
are
looking
at
and
concerned
about
and
worried
about,
and
that's
all
very
helpful,
and
you
know
you
can't
have
too
many
avenues
of
information,
because
everybody's
got
a
slightly
different
perspective
and
you
know
somebody
you
talk
to
might
might
have
an
observation
that
just
triggers
you
know
a
realization
of.
Oh,
we
should
be
doing
that
too.
So
yeah.
D
That's
great,
I
would,
I
think,
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
learned
with
these
really
complex
issues
is
that
the
more
collaboration
and
the
more
kind
of
pool
of
knowledge
that
exists
the
better
off
we
all
are.
So
I
it's
encouraging
to
hear
that
that
already
exists,
I'm
not
surprised
at
all.
Yeah.
E
Thanks,
I
I
mentioned
saiza
before
and
they're
a
great
forum
for
that
kind
of
information
exchange
as
well.
There's
another
organization
called
ms
isac,
which
is
multi-state,
information
sharing
and
collaboration.
So
it's
literally
what
you're
talking
about
but
formalized
as
a
as
an
online
organization
and
in
fact
we're
sending
these
guys
to
to
a
conference
a
couple
months
sponsored
by
that
organization.
So
there's
lots
of
resources
out
there.
Yeah.
I
Adam
here,
thank
you,
so
my
question
is
just
a
request
that,
as
the
budget
comes
forward,
we're
really
transparent
with
our
constituents
about
the
cost
of
this-
I
I
am
really
glad
you're
doing
it.
It
sounds
like
you're
doing
the
things
that
we
need
done.
As
I
get
tagged
with.
You
know,
increasing
budgets
all
the
time.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
be
really
transparent
and
honest
with
citizens
that
hey,
if
you
want
this
to
be
a
safe
workplace,
a
safe
way.
You
know
your
information
here
to
be
safe.
G
Thanks,
madam
mayor,
I
just
want
to
echo
that
that
is
such
a
great
point,
because
no
one
wants
their
data
stolen.
I
mean
there's
a
there's,
a
cottage
industry
of
folks
who
are
stealing
identities,
and
we
have
we
hold
a
lot
of
constituent
data
here.
So
I
think
that's
an
amazing
point.
I
mean
there's
a
cost
to
this
and
it's
not
just
you
know
someone
in
their
basement
doing
this
anymore.
This
is
these
are
very
sophisticated
players
who
have
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
money
and
a
lot
of
government
support.
E
A
Well,
thank
you
both
for
being
here
and
the
rest
of
the
team
for
all
that
you
do
to
keep
our
data
safe,
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
all.
Okay,
now
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
8th
street
accessibility
and
mobility.
Sean
keepley
will
kick
us
off
and
then
we've
got
don.
I
want
to
say
co-select,
but
is
am
I
constantly
okay
to
join
in
in
the
discussion
as
well?
Thank
you
for
being
here.
J
J
J
I'm
proud
to
say
that
this
has
been
a
well-received
project
broadly
across
our
community,
by
both
businesses
and
the
public,
and
we
really
have
an
opportunity
here
today
to
look
at
the
over
the
course
of
that
two
years
of
the
pilot
project.
Some
of
the
lessons
learned,
as
well
as
some
of
the
opportunities
for
improvements
going
forward
and
to
consider
the
the
future
of
eighth
street
in
a
holistic
way,
with
a
focus
on
the
sort
of
the
primary
objectives.
J
The
first
phase
objectives
as
we
look
at
how
this
might
how
the
street
might
evolve
in
the
future
and
focus
on
accessibility
and
mobility
as
a
primary
part
of
that.
A
big
piece
of
the
of
the
project
since
its
inception
has
been
consistent
and
really
continuous
stakeholder
engagement
and
that
being
a
community
driven
project
has
unveiled
some
great
opportunities
for
improvement
and,
in
the
past
three
months,
with
the
assistance
of
our
our
partners.
J
J
So
what
does
some
of
that
engagement?
Look
like
well,
it's
been.
It's
been
multiple
multiple
stakeholder
group
meetings,
one-on-one
consultations,
a
lot
of
casual
conversations
along
eighth
street
and
site
visits,
particularly
in
the
past
three
months,
site
visits
and
inclement
weather
that
I'm
grateful
for
our
consultant
team
community
to
have
been
a
part
of
considering
what
what
some
of
that
looked
like.
J
But
the
engagement
has
has
gone
across.
The
community
really
represented
a
broad
spectrum
of
of
folks
who've
been
involved
in
this,
and
that's
everyone
from
the
business
community
along
eighth
street
and
the
extended
area
in
the
vicinity
of
eighth,
as
well
as
businesses
that
are
engaged
in
maid
street
in
other
ways
like
delivery
companies
and
in
businesses
that
interact
with
those
those
retail
and
and
and
restaurant
establishments.
There.
J
So
what
we've
heard
has
really
been
about
balancing
needs
and
trade-offs,
and
all
of
these
needs
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
They
relate
to
each
other
in
one
way
or
another,
and
that's
part
of
the
idea
behind
this
project
being
sort
of
a
holistic
look
at
how
we
can
approach
the
future
of
8th
street.
J
Of
course,
primary
among
those
those
needs
are
accessibility
and
safety
for
all
users
and,
as
part
of
that
directly
linked
to
it
are
things
like
aesthetics
and
reduction
in
the
in
the
street.
Clutter
is
something
that
will
help
to
make
this
street.
Ultimately,
a
more
accessible
and
and
an
enjoyable
street
for
everybody,
also,
the
public
and
private
space
question
the
need
for
certainty
around
that
something
that
our
businesses
have
asked
us
for
and
and
something
that
again
relates
to
the
accessibility
and
design
considerations
for
the
street
as
well.
J
J
A
big
piece
of
that
has
been
continuing
the
public
outreach
that
we've
been
doing
for
the
past
couple
of
years
and
really
focusing
and
focusing
in
on
on
users
of
the
street,
particularly
those
with
visual
and
mobility
impairments
and
a
wide
variety
of
other
groups
within
that
again.
A
big
credit
to
folks
in
our
community
engagement
team,
who
have
been
working
with
across
disability
task
force
to
support
that
as
well.
J
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
have
looked
at
this
again
as
a
holistic
approach
and
see
this
as
something
that
will
that
will
complement
eighth
street
as
a
vibrant
public
space
and
and
continue
to
create
it
as
a
place
that
supports
vibrant
economic
development
and
a
supportive
business
environment
as
well.
That's
a
critical
piece
of
whatever
we,
whatever
direction.
We
hope
to
receive
on
this,
so
moving
along
I'll.
Just
use
this
as
a
transition
to
our
to
don
costello.
K
K
We
do
have
some
activities
on
the
north
side
of
that,
so
those
were
kind
of
the
collective
challenges
we
were
facing
with.
I
play
a
game
when
I'm
biking
up
8th
street
to
see
how
far
away
I
can
see
the
orange
barricades,
it's
kind
of,
like
the
you
know,
seeing
the
great
wall
of
china
from
space
kind
of
thing
and
that's
what
everybody's
question
is:
when
can
the
orange
barricades
go
away?
K
If
they
were
not,
there
could
be
walking
down
the
center
of
8th
street
in
its
current
configuration,
miss
the
bollards
and
get
into
the
street
without
having
the
benefit
of
detectable
warnings
or
other
features
in
the
design
to
tell
them
they're
entering
that
risk
area.
So
one
of
our
first
priorities
was
to
identify
the
types
of
things
that
would
have
to
happen
at
the
street
crossings
of
maine
and
idaho
and
bannock
to
some
degree
to
make
sure
the
detectability
was
there.
K
If
you
see
the
yellow
pads
at
a
curb
ramp
out
there,
those
are
generally
called
detectable
warning
surfaces
or
truncated
domes
and
those
are
to
provide
both
the
vision.
Contrast
as
well
as
the
bumps
provide
a
tactile
to
somebody
who
is
blind
or
vision
impaired
and
can
identify
that
they
are
leaving
the
safe
area
of
a
sidewalk
or
pathway
and
entering
a
more
risky
area
of
the
street
and
because
that
transition
does
not
have
those.
K
That's
why
the
barricades
are
there
so
to
remedy
that
issue
and
we
have
buy
in
from
achd,
essentially
putting
truncated
domes
across
the
full
width
of
what
would
be
the
former
street
crossing
is
essentially
the
baseline
improvement
that
would
go
in
there
to
meet
that.
I
will
detail
some
other
pieces
of
that
and
then
we
have,
within
the
blocks
themselves,
accessibility,
issues
related
to
protruding
objects
and
lack
of
consistent
lines.
K
Due
to
what
was
done
and
done
from
a
pretty
good
standpoint,
I
would
say
from
what
I've
seen
from
other
similar
covid
streets,
things
like
the
temporary
ramps
and
bike
parking
and
other
things.
So
our
other
goal
is
to
provide
clean
lines
for
people,
but
that
also
can
pose
other
challenges.
So
that's
the
preface
that
we're
starting
from
on
this
just
kind
of
an
overview
and
what's
happening.
Certainly
the
north
block,
the
idaho
to
bannock
it
really.
K
The
full
sidewalk
space
is
almost
is
100
consumed
by
the
patios
that
were
there
primarily
due
to
the
prevalence
of
the
restaurant
uses.
The
south
block
is
a
little
more
random
because
of
different
retail
establishments.
Jurisdictionally.
Here's
what
we're
talking
about!
Essentially,
the
city-owned
piece
is
the
rectangle
that
runs
between
the
building
faces
on
eighth
street,
but
the
moment
you
get
to
the
building
faces
that
front
on
idaho
or
maine,
that's
achd,
so
those
jurisdictionally
are
what
we
are
dealing
with
and
here's
another
angle
from
an
aerial
standpoint.
K
K
If
someone
is
blind
or
vision,
impaired
and
they're,
walking
down
the
middle
of
eighth
street,
there's
no
cues
to
tell
them
that
they
have
an
access
point
or
a
ramp
to
either
one
of
their
sides.
We
did
hear
from
people
from
the
blind
community
that
they
just
don't
see
downtown
as
theirs
anymore
because
of
the
types
of
things
they
come
across
on
both
existing
sidewalks
with
sidewalk,
dining
and
8th
street.
So
we
were
really
presented
with
our
own
challenge
to
how
to
address
that.
K
Obviously,
the
south
block
there's
no
alley
for
trash
services
and
other
features,
so
that
will
always
need
to
be
opened
at
certain
times
of
day.
Those
are
morning
hours
that
it's
done,
the
crossings
I'll
get
at
the
issues
with
detectability
there
and
obviously
consistency
and
treatment
for
people
with
disabilities.
K
So,
as
I
said,
if
we
think
of
it,
first
as
a
shared
use
pathway,
we
think
of
pedestrians,
people
with
mobility
devices,
bicyclist
scooters
and
others,
and
that's
where
the
challenge
comes
in,
especially
from
a
speed
standpoint
when
you're
out
on
8th
street,
if
you're
there
at
a
high
volume
time,
it's
pretty
impossible
to
move
quickly
through
there.
Although
some
people
may
wish
to
treat
it
like
a
slalom
course
on
a
wheeled
device.
K
The
concern
we
heard
is
more
about
when
it's
empty
and
there
might
be
a
single
person
walking
out
on
the
street
and
if
they
have
a
vision,
disability,
they
really
feel
like
they're,
getting
buzzed
by
the
bicyclists
that
are
traveling
or
the
scooter
users
that
are
traveling
at
a
higher
rate
of
speed.
The
top
image
here
shows
something
that
does
happen
and
creates
additional
conflict
because
of
the
barricade,
because
the
bicyclists
are
also
forced
to
use
the
narrow,
crosswalks
and
curb
ramps,
and
so
it's
the
conflicts
at
the
intersections
by
putting
the
truncated
domes
there.
K
Getting
rid
of
the
barricades
will
satisfy
that.
But
there's
still
some
concern
from
people
with
disabilities
over
the
safety
of
it,
because,
unlike
a
shared
use,
pathway
like
the
greenbelt
they're
coming
out
of
a
restaurant
they're
coming
onto
the
street,
trying
to
orient
themselves
to
go
one
way
or
another
and
there's
through
movements
occurring
by
people
going
12
to
15
or
so
miles
an
hour
on
those
wheeled
devices.
K
H
So,
on
our
bottom
picture,
there
we've
got,
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
walking
in
a
green
painted
bike,
lane
right,
yeah,
and
so
somebody
who
is
visually
impaired
might
be
walking
and
if
they're
on
the
street
instead
of
on
the
sidewalk,
they
have
no
idea.
If
they're
walking
down
the
middle
of
the
street
or
if
they're
walking
down
the
green
path,
those
people
aren't
I'm
assuming
aren't
visually
impaired.
They
just
happen
to
be
walking
there
but
you're.
K
K
Mayor
councilmember,
halliburton
yeah,
that's
that's
essentially
what
we
heard
the
the
it's
a
very
wide
open
space,
and
because
of
that
there
aren't
the
same
kind
of
building,
edges
and
other
cues
that
a
person
walking
say
on
a
sidewalk
space
downtown
would
get
so
it's
almost
like
a
if
you
have
six
or
eight
feet,
there's
some
sideboards.
You
can
kind
of
find
if
you've
got
25
or
30
feet
and
it's
wide
open
and
random.
That
becomes
a
lot
more
complex
and
the
same
is
true
at
the
street
crossings.
K
There's
concern
because
the
street
crossings
are
so
gradual
that
even
with
one
row
of
truncated
domes
at
the
crossings
that
people
with
vision,
disabilities
who
walk
with
a
cane
could
miss
those
and
they
ask
for
basically
making
them
four
feet
deep,
instead
of
two
feet
deep,
so
I
think
you're
getting
at
kind
of
the
concerns
over
both
confusion
and
safety
in
that
environment
that
they
expressed
to
us
great.
Thank
you.
So.
A
K
So
we
came
up
with
really
four
concepts
for
the
street
in
its
existing
physical
condition,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is:
there's
still
a
preference
that
at
some
point
eighth
street.
If
this
is
a
permanent
decision,
be
made
to
look
like
the
grove
plaza
without
curbs
and
without
those
cues,
but
also
there's
a
concern
is
just
been
rebuilt
five
years
ago,
disruption
to
businesses
so
concept.
One
would
essentially
keep
eighth
street
in
its
closed
situation
today
closed
to
motor
vehicles,
but
also
keep
a
pedestrian
access
route
along
the
sidewalk.
K
K
We
observed
people
with
guide
dogs
where
the
guide
dogs
saw
this
space
as
even
too
tight
to
allow
their
person
to
get
through
that
area,
and
so,
while
it's
pros
and
keeping
that
space
and
reducing
conflicts,
if
we
just
default
to
the
minimums
we're
still
not
getting
at
an
ideal
standpoint
concept,
two,
if
we
just
keep
moving
the
patios
out
from
the
building,
if
you
got
there
today,
you
will
find
when
the
streetscape
was
done.
There
is
a
black
strip
of
brick
that
we
traditionally
would
call
the
furnishing
zone.
K
This
is
where
your
lamps,
your
trees,
your
bike,
racks,
are,
and
this
concept
would
allow
what
some
businesses
have
done
and
essentially
come
out
to
that
line
to
utilize
the
sidewalk
for
their
patio
space.
We
heard
stories
of
needing
to
access
a
broken
sprinkler
and
a
tree
well
under
a
fork,
dining
table.
There
are
tables
that
are
overarching
bike
racks,
and
so
this
would
allow
all
of
that
clear.
The
disruptions
out
of
the
street
as
much
as
possible.
K
This
tends
to
be
from
our
feedback,
the
most
favorable
option
among
the
50
or
so
stakeholders
that
we've
discussed
for
this.
Just
because
it
keeps
the
lamp
posts
and
other
things
there,
concept
3
would
really
allow
full
consumption
of
the
sidewalk
space
out
to
the
top
of
the
curb
again.
Some
businesses
have
done
this,
but
that
is
what
ultimately
pushes
all
the
furnishings
out
to
the
street
as
well
as
creates
maintenance
and
access
issues
for
that.
K
K
And
what
this
looks
like
from
a
technical
standpoint.
The
yellow
is
where
the
truncated
domes
would
go
at
the
ends
of
the
streets
for
the
street
crossings.
The
black
lines
would
essentially
be
taking
out
the
existing
curb
ramps
that
are
there
and
building
a
vertical
curb.
So
you
would
not
be
able
to
physically
cross
or
ask
to
cross
at
where
the
existing
crosswalks
are.
We
would
have
crosswalks
markings
in
the
middle
of
the
street
and
from
there
we
would
need
to
reconfigure
other
ramps,
move
pedestrian,
push
buttons
and
move
pedestrian
signal
heads.
K
K
We've
looked
at
both
signs
and
pavement
markings
that
could
be
incorporated
in
this,
as
well
as
the
digital
driver
feedback
signs
that
you've
seen
on
some
achd
routes,
where
you
can
program
them
with
the
messages
like
you
see
here,
slow
down
and
a
frowny
face,
but
that's
definitely
probably
the
biggest
point
of
contention
in
our
discussions
is
trying
to
figure
out
that
user,
conflict
and
user
related
issue
for
those.
So,
like,
I
said
we're
here
today
to
get
feedback
on
a
preferred
direction.
K
The
concepts
we've
identified
have
a
lot
of
similarities
and
generally
have
a
cost
estimate
of
around
600,
000
or
so
dollars.
Those
are
just
planning
level
and
certainly
with
direction
today,
we'll
be
working
to
put
our
concept
report
together
and
then
the
city
transition
at
some
point
soon
into
detailed
design,
engineering.
D
Good
mayor,
thank
you,
for
I
know
that
so
many
people
have
done
so
much
work
and
I
was
on
one
of
those
earlier
kind
of
walkabouts
and
kind
of
looking
at
what
the
possibilities
were.
It's
come
a
long
way
since
then.
My
question
is
related
to
the
access
ramps
as
they
exist
now
would
is
it
envision
that
those
would
change
in
kind
of
the
design
phase,
or
would
we
still
have
those
ramps
that
kind
of
come
out
into
the
street
area.
K
The
only
way
that
those
could
truly
go
away
would
be
a
full
rebuild
to
make
it
with
no
curbs.
Like
the
grove,
plaza.
Okay,
our
recommendation
would
be
come
up
with
a
wider
version.
That's
a
little
more
nuanced
and
permanent.
Looking,
for
example,
if
you
go
to
bitter
creek,
there's
a
four
foot
wide
ramp
in
front
of
an
eight
foot
wide
opening
and
the
ramp
leads
you
straight
into
a
light
pole.
K
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thanks
don
thanks
sean,
I
like
option
two,
where
we
go
back
to
the
black
just
fyi,
if
you're
looking
for
that,
my
question
about
it,
it
looks
like
it
would
allow
us
then
to
put
keep
the
bikes
on
the
black
bike
parking
on
the
black
and
put
everything
and
other
furnishings,
probably
the
planters
as
well
in
between
the
bike
racks
and
keep
most
everything
else
out
of
the
street
itself.
Would
that
allow
us
then,
to
experiment
with?
I
K
K
Essentially,
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
image
here
say
we
scrub
the
street
of
the
pavement
markings,
but
if
you
take
that
first
yellow
line
from
inside
the
curb,
essentially
on
both
sides
of
8th
street,
you
would
line
it
with
these
tactile
strips
that
a
person
with
a
vision,
disability
would
know
that
that's
an
edge.
The
area
between
that
would
be
kept
clear
and
the
things
outside
of
that
is
where
we
could
do
lots
of
things.
K
The
buffer
zone
on
top
of
the
sidewalk,
but
even
in
that
space,
roughly
represented
by
the
green,
could
put
benches
and
flower
pots
and
standardized
restaurant,
signage
and
other
things,
but
while
keeping
the
rest
of
the
space
on
that
street
clear,
I
think
you
bring
up
another
good
point.
It
gives
you
other
options
for
place
making,
which
I
think
is
key
to
helping
slow
the
bike
traffic
from
a
bike
parking
standpoint.
K
Ironically,
if
you
look
in
the
first
half
block
east
and
west
of
8th
street,
there's
almost
no
bike
parking
in
those
areas,
and
we
don't
know
the
full
reasons
for
that.
However,
if
we
think
about
this
scenario,
where
all
of
a
sudden,
we
don't
have
curb
ramps
on
these
corners,
our
ability
to
do
more
place,
making
and
features
as
well
as
bike
parking
within
line
of
sight
of
the
corridor
without
somebody
who's
destined
for
8th
street
having
to
penetrate
that
far
on
8th
street
to
park,
their
bike
would
help
deal
with
the
bike.
D
A
D
I
can
see
why
businesses
would
want
to
keep
concept
three
because
they
do
have
huge
patios,
but
I
feel
like
concept,
two
really
strikes
the
balance
between
having
nice,
patios
and
also
creating
space
for
the
rest
of
the
folks
who
will
be
using
eighth
street
as
well,
and
I
I
think
that
creating
a
more
permanent
solution
for
that
would
be.
I
think,
preferable.
I
can
also
see-
and
I
think
the
slide
says-
that
it
would
limit
or
prohibit
special
events
along
eighth.
D
D
So
I
am
really
excited
that
the
orange
barriers
could
be
coming
down,
and
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
really
nice
use
of
the
space,
a
nice
way
to
maintain
patios
and
maintain
the
vibrancy
that
that's
created
on
8th
street
in
the
activation,
but
still
have
still
have
some
predictability
for
other
folks.
Using
it.
H
Yeah
matamir
I'm
not
necessarily
tied
to
concept
two
over
concept,
one
and
I
can
describe
why,
and
I
think,
there's
probably
ways
to
incorporate
you
know
one
need
versus
the
other
one
of
the
worst
parts
about
riding
a
bicycle
down.
Eighth
street
currently
is
that
the
infrastructure
train
changes
every
single
block
that
you
go
down,
which
is
really
frustrating
if
you're
riding
a
bicycle.
H
Now,
if
you're
somebody
who's
visually
impaired,
if
you're
somebody
who
has
a
disability,
my
concern
about
concept
2
is
that
same
concept
of
riding
a
bike
except
for
now
you're
visually
impaired,
so
you're
you're,
actually
going
from
block
to
block
and
the
treatment
that
you're
walking
down
changes,
and
that
can
be
very
difficult
and
very,
very
confusing.
So
if
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
concept
two,
I
really
do
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
treatment.
H
That's
on
the
road,
the
surface,
that's
on
the
road
and
make
sure
that
there
is
some
consistency
of
what
it
feels
like
to
be
walking
from
one
block
to
another.
So
there
is
less
confusion
of
where
am
I
actually
supposed
to
be
walking
at
this
point
and
concept
number
one.
You
know
there's
a
little
bit
more
of
a
traditional
or
obvious
space,
where
you
would
be
doing
that
there
is
some
crowding.
H
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
this,
that
we're
really
going
to
do
it
right
for
all
the
different
types
of
road
users-
and
we
are
considering
the
folks
with
disabilities
or
who
are
visually
impaired,
who
might
be
getting
a
change
in
road
treatment
every
single
time
they
go
from
one
block
to
the
other,
so
that,
if
we're
looking
at
concept,
two
we're
making
those
kind
of
investments
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I
would
just
say
you
know
to
echo
again.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
bike
parking.
H
I
think
the
scooter
parking
absolutely
needs
to
be
moved
out
of
that
area
and
I
think
that
there's
different
ways
to
do
that
towards
the
end
or
by
corrals
or
things
like
that.
But
if
we
weren't
allowing
any
or
as
much
parking
in
that
area,
then
there
would
be
a
lot
less
clutter
for
folks
who
you
know
are
visually
impaired
or
disabled
yeah.
A
B
A
L
L
So
I'll
start
by
saying
that
that
is,
that
is
how
I've
organized
these
slides
is
to
to
give
you
my
first
impressions
and
to
talk
about
the
direction
that
we'll
be
taking
this
year
as
I'll
be
coming
back
to
you
as
early
as
next
week
to
talk
about
ways
in
which
I
feel
like
we
need
to
be
shifting
the
planning
department
and
that
will
translate
into
even
next
week.
The
discussion,
of
course,
will
be
fiscal
year.
23
funding.
L
Patience
will
be
helpful.
I
I'm
thinking
about
that
this
year
that
we'll
we
need
to
be
patient
as
we
seek
to
make
changes.
You
know
the
the
planning
department
at
the
city
of
boise
has
been
without
a
permanent
director
for
some
quite
some
period
of
time.
There's
there's
been
a
loss
in
some
staff
in
in
planning
in
some
important
areas.
Over
the
past
18
months
to
two
years
we
have
the
good
news.
Is
we
have
a?
L
One
of
the
great
things
about
this
group
of
people,
I
would
say,
is
that
they're,
open-minded
and
welcoming
of
change
when
you
there's
a
lot
of
what
the
planning
department
does,
that
is
very
much
about
routine
and
so
to
speak,
to
people
that
live
that
environment.
About
change
can
be
scary
and
that's
understandable.
L
L
L
You
see
them
going
up
in
2021.
The
number
of
permits
issued
in
the
city
was
about
twenty
four
thousand
five
hundred
and
the
previous
several
years
have
been
between
twenty
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
twenty
two
thousand
five
hundred.
So
we're
up,
and
you
see
the
big
increase
in
construction
value,
that's
been
permitted,
and
that
of
course
has
to
do
with
the
scale
of
what's
happening,
not
just
the
number
of
permits,
but
the
size
of
them
and
that's
represented
on
this
chart.
L
It
is,
of
course,
that
we're
processing
this
huge
volume
of
permits,
but,
more
importantly,
it's
the
experience.
One
has
when
going
through
that
process,
and
we
have
a
very
close
relationship
with
residents
of
this
city.
If
you're
renovating
your
house,
if
you're
putting
a
fence
in
your
yard,
if
you're
doing
anything
at
your
property
or
you're
a
small
business
moving
into
an
existing
commercial
space,
you
experience
us,
and
so
we
want
to
be
very
particular
about
that
experience
and
again
the
good
news
is.
We
have
people
that
love
that
and
and
are
good
at
it.
L
The
issue
is:
we've
got
to
really
critique
our
processes
and
look
at
how
we
can
be
more
consistent
and
predictable
for
people
and
I've.
I've
heard
recently-
and
I
mentioned
this
to
the
mayor
earlier
in
the
week-
that
I
had
an
architect-
a
group
of
architects-
tell
me
that
they
would
rather
build
in
the
city
of
boise
than
any
other
city
in
the
region
in
terms
of
how
they're
treated
with
respect
and
and
and
how
open
and
accessible
our
staff
is,
which
is
wonderful.
L
They
were
there
to
tell
me
about
ways
we
could
improve
by
the
way.
So
it
was,
you
know
you
guys
have
great
people
and
you're
doing
a
good
job
relative
to
what's
happening
in
the
region,
but
here's
some
suggestions
for
how
you
could
do
better,
which
is
what
we
want
and
we'll
absolutely
engage
the
private
sector
in
in
how
do
we
improve
our
processes
this
year?
L
We're
going
to
engage
them
to
come
help
us
change
our
processes,
because
in
the
past,
where
there's
been
discussion
of
process
change,
it's
been
less.
It's
been
left
to
those
doing
the
work
to
make
the
change
which
isn't
really
a
reasonable
approach,
because
we're
so
busy
processing
the
permit.
So
we're
going
to
bring
someone
in
to
help
us
evaluate
the
process
and
then
make
the
change
so
that
in
2022,
you'll
see
improvement.
So
you'll
continue
to
reach
out
to
me
about
people
that
are
hung
up
in
the
permitting
process,
and
that's
just
fine.
L
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
in
the
meantime,
we've
got
this
incredible
focus
on.
How
do
we
actually
improve
it?
So
you're
not
needing
to
call
me
I
don't.
This
is
to
get
me
out
of
the
permitting
business,
essentially
is
what
this
is
all
about,
but
anyway
that's
going
to
be
a
real
emphasis
this
year.
L
This
is
an
area
of
planning
where
we're
really
concentrating
on
recruitment,
intent
and
retention
of
the
talent
that
we
have.
The
planning
department
has
114
positions
within
it.
We
have
only
nine
vacancies.
The
issue
is,
four
of
them
are
in
the
areas
that
do
this
work.
So
that's
devastating
to
that
group,
and
we
have
again
a
group,
that's
really
carrying
the
load
and
not
just
in
a
you
know,
they're
getting
by
kind
of
way,
but
they're
doing
a
wonderful
job.
L
It's
just
they
need
help,
and
so
we're
really
concentrating
on
this
team
to
give
us
the
ability
to
to
improve
the
processes.
I
have
it
here.
Zoning
and
design
review
process
enhancements
in
2022
that
are
concentrating
on
yes,
the
speed
of
how
people
get
through
the
process,
but
at
least,
as
importantly,
the
quality
of
what's
coming
through
those
processes
as
well.
L
L
People
are
just
concerned
about
this
growth,
that's
come
to
boise
and
what
it's
doing
to
the
city,
how
it's
changing
the
city
and
and
a
feeling
that
maybe
we
don't
have
any
control
over
this
situation
and
this
process,
I'm
speaking
to
right
now,
is
the
process
to
get
us
in
control
of
this.
This
situation,
which
is
to
to
do
something
to
to
be
intentional
about
how
growth
shapes
the
city,
I'm
going
to
show
a
couple
of
charts
here
that
kind
of
tell
the
whole
story
in
a
way.
L
I'm
not
I'm
showing
salt
lake
city
because
it's
nearby,
but
I
could
show
you
any
city
in
america,
and
you
would
see
this
a
similar
pattern
here,
which
is
over
the
last
generation
of
growth.
The
region
grew
tremendously,
and
the
city
did
not
in
this
case
much
at
all.
So
really
all
of
the
challenges
that
they
have
as
the
city
and
region
are
pretty
much
represented
in
this
chart,
the
the
sprawling
of
the
city
into
the
region.
L
What
optimally
would
be
the
city's
population
at
that
time?
You
know
over
that
15
to
20
year
period.
What
what
size
city
are
we
designing
for
how
many
people
and
then
optimally?
How
would
that
population
be
distributed
around
the
city?
What
if
it
would
be
downtown
what
if
it
would
be
in
different
areas
of
the
city,
belong
transit
corridors?
L
What
are
we
seeking
to
build
essentially
in
terms
of
a
place
for
people
and
then,
and
then,
very
importantly,
too?
It
has
to
manifest
itself
in
how
the
physical
city
changes
to
accommodate
that
growth
right,
because
the
that's?
What
we're
really
talking
about
when
we're
talking
about
planning
is
the
ways
in
which
we
are
intentionally
shaping
the
city
physically
to
deal
with
this
growth
and
how
that
affects:
mobility
and
housing,
affordability
and
protection
and
repair
of
nature.
L
L
Would
be
one
where
it's
the
first
step?
The
second
step
is
something
like
a
comprehensive
plan
or,
and
then
the
third
step
is
kind
of
zoning.
Well,
we're
we're
halfway
through
a
zoning
process
more
than
halfway
through
a
zoning
process,
so
my
urgency
this
year
will
be
to
have
this
part
of
the
process
catch
up
almost
to
the
zoning
part
by
the
end
of
the
calendar
year.
So
there'll
be
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this,
but
it
will
be
very
helpful
because
it
will
shift
us
from
growth
is
negative.
L
Everything
I
think
about
as
it
relates
to
growth
seems
to
be
something
negative
like
traffic
or
lack
of
housing,
affordability
or
nature
gets
destroyed
and
shift
us
towards
how?
How
can
we
grow
faster
to
get
to
that
city
because
we
will
have
defined?
What
is
that
outcome?
We're
seeking
right
in
terms
of
the
physical
city?
L
So
this
is
a
this
is
an
important
endeavor
for
us
this
year,
then
creating
the
regulations
that
enable
this
condition-
and
this
is
the
process
and
essentially
that
you
all
have
been
participating
in
and
is
the
rewriting
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
which
is
the
foundational
piece
in
terms
of
the
regulations,
and
we
in
are
in
the
process
of
reevaluating,
where
we
left
off.
With
regard
to
the
proposals
we
made
on
the
zoning
map
of
the
city
and
also
the
design
standards,
this
is
what
was
called
modules
one
and
two
of
the
zoning
rewrite
process.
L
So
we
were,
we
have
stepped
back
since
those
public
meetings
finished
and
are
critiquing
where
we
are
and
the
direction
we
should
be
taking
in
response
to
what
the
community
has
been
telling
us
and
the
challenges
we
know
we
have
as
a
city,
and
we
will
present
a
revised
set
of
recommendations
related
to
modules,
one
and
two
in
response
to
that,
and
that
will
be
coming
up
very
soon.
We
actually
have
a
meeting
of
the
of
the
city-wide
zoning
advisory
committee
next
week
to
start
talking
about
this
on
thursday
next
week.
L
Further,
the
innovation
that
we
make
in
housing
in
the
city,
of
course,
is
a
big
emphasis
of
ours.
I'll
actually
talk
about
housing
at
the
end
of
this
presentation
as
well
and
come
back
to
something
I
want
to
share
with
you.
I've
got
a
handout
for
you
that
I'll
go
through
that
relates
to
all
the
housing
efforts
and
investments
we're
making
right
now,
but
before
I
get
to
that,
just
to
mention
this
will
be
a
big
year
for
pursuit
of
that
housing
strategy.
L
You've
been
discussing
discussing-
and
this
has
to
do
with
the
specific
investments
the
city
will
be
making,
through
its
funding
and
partnership
with
developers
to
build
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
But
it
will
also
have
to
do
with
other
things
that
just
have
to
do
with
enabling
the
private
market
to
participate
more
easily
in
providing
affordable
housing.
So,
whether
it's
the
zoning,
ordinance
work
or
other
things,
we
can
do
through
codes
to
help
people
move
faster
when
it
comes
to
building
affordably
you'll,
see
some
requests
from
me
again
next
week
when
we
get
to
budget.
L
But
these
are
all
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
mind
that
we
need
to
be
have
as
expectations
as
a
city
when
it
comes
to
the
role
of
the
planning,
department
and
housing
community
development,
specifically
in
pursuing
this
being
a
city
for
everyone,
and
so
it
has
to
do
with
the
housing
affordability
piece.
But
it's
more
than
that.
You
know
it's.
It's
an
affordable
lifestyle,
it's
how
you're,
how
you're
able
to
live
without
a
car,
for
instance,
which
helps
tremendously
it's.
How
do
you
have
access
to
a
better
paying
job?
L
L
We
need
to
demonstrate
a
commitment
to
that
as
we're
asking
private
developers
to
do
that
so
as
we're,
for
instance,
using
city
property
in
pursuit
of
affordable
housing
that
we're
seeking
to
achieve
all
these
things
and
demonstrate
through
the
city's
assets,
how
you
do
this
better
than
any
other
city,
including
energy
conservation
and
water
conservation,
energy
efficiency.
I'm
sorry,
water
conservation,
beautiful
design,
construction
techniques
pushing
on
that.
How?
How
can
we,
how,
through
con
opening
up
other
construction
techniques,
can
we
make
housing
more
affordable
and
then
financing
mechanisms
such
that
we're
pushing
to
wherever
possible?
L
L
L
A
key
piece
of
that
will
be
how
we're
designing
the
city
relative
to
mobility
and
and
and
pathways
will
be
central
to
that
really
again
back
to.
If
we
are
to
avoid
the
mistakes
of
every
other
city
in
the
country,
then
then
we'll
need
to
really
design
our
growth
around
more
and
more
people's
ability
to
drive
less
it's
not
that
people
won't
drive.
They
will,
of
course,
but
that
people
can
drive
half
as
much
as
they
do
now.
We
will
be
successful,
then,
which
means
we
have
to
design
around
and
the
thing
about.
L
There
is
much
of
us
that
does
have
choices
and
for
those
that
do
the
quality
of
the
public
spaces
are
the
difference
between
choosing
to
or
not
walk
ride
your
bike
or
use
transit,
and
we
have
to
get
so
good
at
this.
Like
mediocrity,
isn't?
Okay!
When
it
comes
to
this
in
a
growing
city,
so
we
have
to
organize
ourselves
to
do
this
well
and
I'll
get
to
how
we
propose
to
do
that
in
a
minute.
L
But
it
relates
very
much
to
ensuring
that
we
have
safe
mobility
options
throughout
the
city
and
and
again
there's
a
relationship
here
between
the
quality
of
these
spaces,
but
that
they
are,
they
are
available
to
everyone.
This
isn't
simply
a
downtown
issue.
This
is
a
city-wide
issue,
one
that
touches
every
neighborhood
and
every
section
of
the
city
a
couple
of
examples
of
two
very
different
environments
on
the
left.
This
is
on
the
bench
and
then
on
the
right
of
course,
downtown.
L
L
D
I
don't
think
I
had
ever
really
thought
about
the
zoning
code
rewrite
quite
in
that
way
like
okay,
let's
actually
envision
the
city,
that
boise
will
become,
including
how
many
people
will
live
here
and
then
write
a
zoning
code.
That
kind
of
underpins
that.
I
think
that's
a
really
innovative
way
of
looking
at
it.
D
One
thing
you
said
in
that
discussion
was
traditionally
you
would
envision.
You
know
figure
out
how
many
people,
how
much
population
boise
will
have
in
the
future
and
then
develop
a
comprehensive
plan
and
then
a
zoning
code
that
supports
that
comprehensive
plan
we're
a
little
bit
out
of
order
in
those
steps.
So
my
question
is:
you
know
we
developed
a
comprehensive
plan
back
during
the
last
recession
or
the
one
before
last.
L
Council,
member
woodings,
what
I
was
envisioning
here
is
that
we
use
blueprint
boise
as
the
base
for
this
work,
and
then
we
we
take
the
work.
That's
been
done
since
blueprint
boise,
so
there's
various
plans,
including
pathways,
which
I
showed
here,
but
all
of
the
plans
that
have
been
done
in
boise
since
blueprint
boise
and
we
use
those
as
the
basis
for
this
design.
L
I
think
that
much
of
it
is
there,
so
all
we'll
be
doing
is
clarifying
and
and
basically
getting
into
the
specific
matter
of
how
the
city
physically,
what
what
blueprint
boise
in
those
plans
are
representing
in
terms
of
the
city's
physical
growth.
I
think
most
of
it
will
come
from
that
work.
That's
already
been
done.
L
One
piece
that
won't,
of
course,
is
this
answering
this
question.
What
size
city
are
we
designing
for?
So
we
do
have
to
do
that,
and-
and
we
will
begin
that
very
soon
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
once.
We
have
engaged
the
group
to
help
us
with
it
we'll
be
able
to
talk
publicly
more
about
it,
but
but
that's
a
piece,
that's
missing
the
remainder
of
it,
I
think,
is
mostly
there
and
and
we'll
be
able
to
just
work
with
that.
G
Madam
mayor
tim,
thank
you
so
much.
This
has
been
really
helpful
for
me
and
I'll
echo.
What
councilmember
wedding
said
about
that
that
bigger
picture
which
is
like
what
size
city
are
we
are
we
designing,
for.
I
want
to
ask
you
shouldn't.
We
also
consider
what
size
region
we're
designing
for,
because
that
was
really
stark
when
you
looked
at
the
numbers
in
salt
lake,
but
the
whole
region
has
exploded,
and
yet
salt
lake
is
the
hub
of
that
valley.
So
walk
me.
L
Through
that,
yes,
councilmember
willets
and
I've
said
purposefully
that
that
we
will,
we
will
use
the
regional
numbers
in
order
to
come
to
our
number
in
terms
of
what
size
city
are
we
designing.
For.
So
we
will
be
basing
all
of
this
work
on
the
region's
projections
and
in
the
context
of
the
region.
So
I
suspect
that
from
this
work
it
will
lead
to
other
questions
regionally.
As
to
maybe
ask
we'll
be
asking
questions
that
haven't
been
asked
before.
I
I
L
L
I
wanted
to
present
this
to
you
tonight.
This
relates
to
our
the
housing
strategy
for
the
city
just
begin
mostly
because
we're
going
to
be,
you
know,
coming
to
you
on
a
regular
basis,
as
it
relates
to
the
action
that
the
mayor
and
council
are
seeking
on
housing,
affordability.
So
there's
going
to
be
various
other
individual
presentations
to
you
in
the
coming
months
related
to
action
on
these
items.
L
L
How
does
this
relate
to
that,
and
and
this
kind
of
thing
that
that
everything
that
will
be
coming
to
you
related
to
as
it
has
to
do
with
cindy
city
funding
and
support,
would
be
represented
in
one
place
and
that's
what
this
is
about
is
is
to
do
that.
So
a
few
things
I
want
to
mention
before
I
go
through
these
slides
one
is
the
date
on
the
top
of
it.
It's
it's
may
17th.
Of
course
it
says
draft,
but
this
is
something
I
would
imagine
that
we
will
be
presenting
to
you
again
periodically.
L
The
second
thing,
I'll
point
out
is
the
years
here,
2022
through
2026..
So
this
is
a
multi-year
kind
of
thinking
here
which
you've
been
doing
yourself,
but
I
just
want
to
make
note
of
that,
because
this
is
talking
about
an
investment
strategy,
but
it's
not
tied
to
an
individual
budget
cycle.
You
know
like
one
fiscal
year.
This
is
looking
at
hey
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
What
are
we
expecting?
L
L
So,
anyway,
I'll
go
through
these
slides
here.
So
the
first
thing
is
these
goals
and
you've
seen
these
for
the
most
part
before
in
one
form
or
another
again,
so
we'll
have
them
all
in
one
place,
but
the
2500
homes
here,
the
permanent,
supportive
housing
units,
the
new,
affordable
homes,
the
preservation
of
homes.
These
are
numbers
that
you've
seen
before.
I
don't
need
to
belabor
this.
The
strategy
optimizing
city-owned
land
again
you've
been
discussing
this
for
people
that
need
it
most.
This
is
a
great
opportunity.
L
All
the
things
I
was
speaking
to
in
the
earlier
presentation
relate
to
the
expectations
the
city
has
for
the
degree
to
which
it
will.
It
will
seek
to
do
the
most
exceptional
kind
of
work
in
this
realm
on
city-owned
property
and
then
seeking
developer
partners
that
are
committed
to
the
same
goals.
You
know
again,
not
just
the
housing,
affordability
piece.
That
is
that's
what
drives
this,
of
course,
but
all
of
the
pieces
of
it
it's.
How
are
we
changing
the
city
in
the
process
of
doing
this?
L
And
then
the
other
piece
is
investing
in
the
supportive
services
needed
to
help
people
in
the
process
of
of
of
their
trying
to
be
successful
in
the
city
and
I'll
speak
to
that
in
this
next
slide
here,
which
gets
to
the
overall
cost,
and
this
these
might
be
numbers
that
you
haven't
necessarily
seen
and
and-
and
I
think
the
main
reason
for
that
is
that
they
haven't
necessarily
been
presented
in
one
place.
Perhaps,
but
what
you're
shown
here
is
in
in
pursuit
of
this.
L
In
these
goals
and
using
this
strategy,
we've
got
a
series
of
costs
here
that
I'm
calling
hard
costs
that
have
to
do
with
the
production
or
pre
or
preservation
of
a
of
a
housing
of
a
house
for
people,
so
whether
it's
permanent,
supportive
housing
or
our
ability
to
either
ourselves
or
with
others,
produce
new
housing
units
or
all
the
efforts
around
preserving
housing
units.
All
those
hard
costs
are
here,
so
you
have
actually
seen
these
numbers
in
one
form
or
another
to
75
million.
What
I've
added.
C
A
L
L
Had
these
discussions
before
in
the
context
of
an
individual
project
or
you've
also
had
it
in
the
context
of
what's
the
long-term
solution
to
this
issue,
I'm
including
in
this
the
long-term
solution
to
this
issue,
which
would
be
the
7.5
million
dollar
investment
in
the
city
seeking
to
achieve
an
equal
amount
through
philanthropy
such
that
we
would
come
to
an
investment
fund
of
15
million
dollars
that
would
be
dedicated
to
support
services
for
permanent
supportive
housing.
I
don't
have
all
the
solutions
for
you
tonight.
What
I'm
doing
is
presenting.
L
This
is
the
collection
of
things
that
we'll
need
to
do
this
year,
as
it
relates
to
all
the
efforts
around
around
housing,
so
the
next
one
has
to
do
with
the
sources
of
funding,
and
this
again
is
this-
shows
you,
city
of
boise,
general
fund.
Again,
this
is
not
simply
the
the
hard
cost.
This
includes
the
soft
cost,
so
included
in
this
number
here
would
be
the
additional
funding
over
that
four
year
period,
2022
to
2026
for
our
path
home.
L
L
The
existing
federal
programs
home
that
is
one-time
federal
philanthropy
is
in
here
at
half
of
that
investment
fund,
at
7.5
million
and
and
remaining
to
be
to
be
identified
is
is,
is
the
15.6
and
I
will
say
that
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
the
preservation
of
housing
units.
You
know
in
identifying
additional
funding
for
that
and
the
discussions,
for
instance,
that
we're
having
with
the
housing
housing
authority
about
deeper
partnership
with
them
around
preserving
existing
units.
So
there
is
work
to
be
done
here.
L
However,
when
you
look
at
sequencing
and
the
projects
that
have
been
identified
or
either
are
through
the
process
with
city
council
or
that
we're
anticipating
over
the
next
few
years,
the
I'm
sorry
the
amount
here
is
when
you
looked
at
the
the
sources
of
funds
and
and
the
sequencing
what's
been
identified
so
far
as
needing
funding
they're
about
the
same
amount.
You
know
the
the
source
of
funds
is,
to
date,
72.9
million
this
number's
at
72
million.
This
is
something
that
we
will
again.
L
You
will
see
a
lot
in
terms
of
as
things
progress
along
the
way
how
the
sequencing
is
working
for
whether
it's
a
city
parcel
that
we're
working
on
whether
it's
a
developer
partnership
that
we
come
to
that
is
building
affordable
housing.
This
would
be
an
important
way
to
keep
track
of.
What's
happening
on
here
include
some
things
that
you've
acted
on
recently
and
are
projects
that
are
in
motion
right
now,
notably
state
and
arthur,
as
well
as
mode
of
franklin
and
then
action
in
2022,
importantly
again,
additional
funding.
L
This
has
to
do
with
the
general
fund
and
the
general
fund
programmed
dollars.
This
doesn't
mean
spending
9.9
million
dollars
this
year.
This
means
this
is
funding
that
will
be
in
addition
to
what
had
already
been
discussed
in
terms
of
general
funds
for
production
of
homes
that
will
be
spent
over
a
period
of
years.
L
Then,
action
on
city-owned
land,
the
city-owned
properties
that
are
in
the
works
right
now,
there'll
be
action
on
various
city
properties.
During
this
current
year
we
have
a
partnership
with
the
housing
authority
that
will
be
coming
to
you.
We
believe
strongly
in
june,
which
has
to
do
with
commitment
related
to
rental
assistance,
which
is
so
important.
So
this
mou
will
be
coming
to
you.
L
L
Otherwise
you
continue
to
have
this
kind
of
annual
discussion
about
the
cost
for
those
services
and
then,
as
I
said,
we'll
be
coming
to
you
and
I'll
discuss
this
next
week
with
some
additional
funding
for
our
path
home.
So
that's
the
action
in
2022
as
it
relates
to
this.
So
with
that
I'll
I'll,
conclude
and
and
answer
any
questions
or
take
any
suggestions
or
comments,
you
have
on
that
and
maureen's
here
as
well.
Of
course,
maureen
brewer
is
here
with
help
answer,
questions.
D
Great,
thank
you
tim.
I
love
having
this
on
one
piece
of
paper
where
we
can
see
everything
that's
going
on
all
together
in
a
comprehensive
way.
I
have
a
million
questions,
but
I'm
only
going
to
ask
one
right
now
and
that's
on
the
services
for
permanent
supportive
housing
side.
So
I
don't
know
if
maureen's
going
to
want
to
address
this
or
not
there's
been
some
talk
about
medicaid
funding
potentially
to
provide
those
services,
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
where
we
are
on
that
conversation.
M
Mayor
council,
pro
tem
weddings
happy
to
answer
that
question.
So
medicaid
is
very
much
still
a
part
of
this
equation
and
we're
continuing
to
work
through
a
medicaid
crosswalk
with
the
corporation
for
supportive
housing,
idaho,
housing
and
finance
association
and,
of
course,
working
closely
with
the
department
of
health
and
welfare.
M
So
right
now
that
crosswalk
is
looking
at
what
is
currently
in
the
state
medicaid
plan.
Is
there
a
delta
between
what's
in
that
plan
and
what
providers
understand
that
they
can
bill
for,
and
then
that
is
there
a
delta,
and
we
know
there
to
be
one
a
difference
between
what
they
can
bill
for
now
and
what
they
should
be
able
to
bill
for
to
provide
the
tenancy
supports
that
we
need
to
stand
up
supportive
services
for
psh.
So
that's
very
much
still
part
of
the
long-term
game.
M
M
M
Madam
mayor
council,
pro
tem
woodings,
the
short
answer
is
yes.
The
longer
answer
is
we
are
looking
to
work
with
ada
county,
specifically
on
one
psh
project
that
will
have
more
of
a
treatment
focus.
That's
that
better
aligns
with
sort
of
the
philosophy.
If
you
will
of
the
current
commissioners
great.
A
I
just
want
to
highlight
what
maureen
said
before
handing
it
over
to
the
council
president
to
end
or
prevent
homelessness,
which
everyone
in
the
city
and
state
says
they
want
to
see
us.
Do
we
need
partnership
with
the
state?
We
need
partnership
with
the
county,
we
need
funding
sources
of
medicaid
and
others,
and
so
it's
really
important.
We
have
said
we
are
committed
to
bringing
these
solutions
to
scale,
because
we
can
do
something
as
a
city
that
others
haven't
because
of
where
we're
at
right.
A
Now,
it's
a
commitment
of
this
council,
it's
a
deep
commitment
of
mine
and
what
we
need
is
partners
that
are
pointing
fingers
on
these
on
these
topics
to
actually
work
alongside
us,
and
I
gotta
say
it
was
super
frustrating
to
be
in
front
of
hud
to
share
with
them
what
this
council
had
said.
Yes,
we
will
do
with
these
goals
when
I
was
back
in
dc
in
march
and
to
hear
that
there's
money
that
they've
allocated
for
permanent,
supportive
housing
for
other
things
in
the
recovery
dollars
that
are
sitting
at
the
state.
A
And
so
I
really
appreciate
how
productively
maureen
and
our
team
is
working
to
move
some
of
these
projects
forward.
But
we've
got
to
see
those
that
profess
to
be
deeply
disturbed
by
the
issues
and
want
to
see
us
be
successful
to
help
us
when
they
have
sources
of
funding
that
we
can't
access
without
them.
I
It
looks
to
me
first
of
all,
like
the
big
lift,
is
in
the
next
two
years,
trying
to
figure
out
these
anticipated
agreements
and
the
partnerships
we're
going
to
need
to
get
there
and
then,
maybe,
more
importantly,
the
kinds
of
partnerships
we're
going
to
need
to
really
identify
a
sustainable
source
of
support
for
the
services
that
we
know
that
the
permanent
supportive
housing
needs,
I
think,
would
be
helpful.
This
is
enormously
helpful
and
and
like
council
member
woodings,
I
thank
you
for
putting
it
all
on
one
sheet.
I
The
next
thing
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
breakdown
in
the
46.5
million.
That's
identified
as
city
of
boise
general
funding,
the
opportunities
that
are
sitting
on
the
table
not
being
tapped
because
our
partners
haven't
stepped
up
and
what
a
difference
that
could
make
for
this
region
for
the
citizens
who
live
in
our
city
and
for
the
overall
reach
of
this
housing
strategy.
I
In
order
to
get
to
the
full
75
million-
and
I
again
you
know,
like
I
said
earlier
on-
another
topic-
the
more
transparent
we
can
make
this
for
people
in
the
city
about
what
the
money
is
that
we're
committing
what
money
other
people
could
commit
that
they're,
not
what
money
is
lying
on
the
table
not
being
used.
I
think
the
more
likely
we're
going
to
be
to
be
able
to
build
the
support
we
need
to
get
those
partnerships
in
place.
I
You
guys
pick
up
the
services
and
then
some
of
our
partners
backed
out
on
that.
It's
so
important
to
me
right
now
to
get
this
in
place
that
I'm
willing
to
go
that
next
step,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
should
forever
say
the
city
of
boise
should
be
on
the
hook.
For
all
of
that,
and
I
think
the
way
we're
going
to
get
there
is
to
make
it
very
explicit
and
very
intentional
what
things
we're
doing,
what
partnerships
we
should.
A
Well-
and
one
thing
I'll
just
say
on
that-
is
that
we've
asked
staff
to
put
together
the
plan
that
reaches
our
goal
of
ending
homelessness,
preventing
homelessness,
housing,
boisians
and
we
didn't.
I
didn't,
want
us
to
see
a
plan
that
you
know
took
what
we
had
and
would
do
what
we
could
do
with
what
we
had,
but
instead
that
we
see
a
plan
that
does
what
we
have
to
do
to
meet
the
goals.
A
That
council
has
said
is
the
goal
of
the
city,
and
so
that
was
our
intent
with
this,
and
I
think
what
you're
asking
for
is
a
follow-on
to
that.
So
to
be
clear,
as
we
go
through
this,
that
these
are,
these
are
the
the
different
steps
and
tactics
we've
got
to
implement.
We
can
do
this
is
what
we're
able
to
do
with
our
commitment,
and
this
is
the
whole
that
we
seek
to
fill
in
partnership.