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From YouTube: Boise City Council - Evening Session
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Tuesday June 7, 2022 at 6:00 PM MDT
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A
B
A
A
D
C
A
A
No,
madam
mayor,
okay.
Well,
I
just
like
for
the
record
to
thank
riley
for
their
continued
service
and
yet
another
term.
We
really
appreciate
it.
It's
residents
of
boise
that
make
all
of
our
citizen
boards
work,
and
so
it
was
great
that
riley
wanted
to
continue.
Thank
you
and
next
up
we
have
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
with
an
asterisk
are
considered
to
be
routine
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion.
There's
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items.
D
A
C
C
For
property
located
at
8373,
west
victory,
road
amending
zoning
classifications
of
the
city
of
boise
city
to
change
the
classification
of
real
property,
particularly
described
in
section
1
of
this
ordinance
and
adjacent
rights
of
way
from
a-1
to
r-3-d
d-a.
Setting
for
the
reason
statement
in
support
of
such
zone
change
and
providing
an
effective
date.
A
D
Mayor,
I
move
to
all
rules
of
the
council.
Interfering
with
the
immediate
consideration
of
ord
27-22
be
suspended,
that
the
portions
of
idaho
code
50-902,
requiring
an
ordinance
to
be
read
on
three
different
days
twice
by
title
and
once
in
full,
be
dispensed
with
and
the
records
show.
It's
been
read
the
third
time
in
full.
Second,.
B
A
A
So
next
step
we've
moving
into
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
the
evening,
we've
got
several
today.
So
what
we'll
do
is
if
there
aren't
many
folks
online,
it
looks
like,
but
for
each
item.
If
you're
here
for
the
item
raise
your
little
zoom
hand
and
we'll
be
sure
to
call
on
you,
I'm
gonna
first
have
it
looks
like
in
the
first
one.
A
Actually
we
do
have
somebody
presenting
by
zoom
and
we'll
have
presenter,
then
the
applicant
and
then
we'll
check
in
to
see
who
on
zoom
is
here
to
testify
and
then
I'll
look
to
folks
in
the
room
to
testify
and
don't
worry.
If
you're
on
zoom,
we
will
make
sure
that
we've
double
checked
before
we
move
ahead
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
call
you
so
this
first
one
is
car
22-1
and
we've
got.
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A
E
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council.
The
item
before
you
is
car
22-1,
a
request
to
annex
approximately
2.1
acres
located
at
11825
victory
road
into
the
city
with
a
zoning
designation
of
r1c
on
april
4th
2022,
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
recommended
approval
to
the
proposal
with
some
neighborhood
opposition
to
the
proposed
zoning
designation.
E
The
commission
found
the
subject.
Property
complies
with
the
requirements
for
annexation,
as
it
affects
the
city
on
the
north
side
and
services
are
either
already
provided
or
available
at
the
site.
Additionally,
the
property
is
located
along
a
section
of
victory
road
that
is
scheduled
for
improvements
on
achd's
five-year
plan.
The
commission
also
found
that
the
zoning
destination
of
r1c
was
appropriate
as
the
site
is
designated
as
suburban
on
the
future
lane
use
map
within
which
the
r1c
zoning
designation
is
allowed.
E
Madam
mayor
council
members,
so
the
neighbors
concerns
were
about
the
density
of
the
r1c
zone,
as
that
allows
for
up
to
eight
units
per
acre.
They
thought
that
was
too
much
for
that
area.
However,
the
applicant
has
not
submitted
any
other
site
plans
or
any
other
intentions
with
this.
This
is
just
for
the
annexation.
With
that
zoning
designation.
G
Well,
madam
mayor
council
members,
I'm
jacob
barrett
with
the
barrett
family
llc,
the
owner
of
this
property.
It
won't
take
too
much
of
your
time.
Just
it's
pretty
straightforward.
I
think
jesse
pretty
much
covered.
We
had
our
public
hearing
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
They
unanimously
recommended
approval.
G
A
A
D
C
A
B
A
H
Good
evening
great
there
we
go
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council
before
you
as
a
request
for
a
rezone.
The
applicant
requests
to
reason
approximately
4.79
acres
from
a
t1d
technological
industrial
park,
with
design
review
to
a
c1d
neighborhood
commercial,
with
design
review
zone
located
at
8837,
south
federal
way.
The
site
is
undeveloped
and
accessed
from
federal
way
with
the
micron
campus
located
directly
east
commercial
office.
Use
is
to
the
north,
I-84
is
directly
west
and
the
properties
located
to
the
south
are
undeveloped
and
planned
as
future
amenity
space
for
the
micron
campus.
H
H
Their
rezone
and
conditional
use
permit
were
approved
on
consent
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
All
agency
comments
support
the
requests
for
both
the
rezone,
as
well
as
the
child
care
facility.
No
public
comments
were
received
and
the
planning
running
commission
recommends
approval
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
H
J
Well,
I
work
pretty
closely
with
delaney
on
this.
I
need
to
thank
her
for
all
her
support,
because
we
don't
do
this
that
often
we
usually
work
in
a
little
bubble
out
there,
but
especially
with
a
project
like
this.
I
think
the
last
time
I
was
with
design
review
on
anything
out
at
micron.
It
certainly
wasn't
something
this.
J
This
commercial-
shall
we
say
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight,
madam
mayor
and
council
members,
and
even
reviewing
this.
We
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
this.
We
analyzed
several
sites
around
several
positions
around
different
micron
properties
and
for
a
whole
bunch
of
reasons,
some
of
which
might
be
obvious.
We
wanted
to
kind
of
keep
it
close,
but
keep
it
out
of
the
main
interior
yard
of
the
manufacturing
facility
for
everybody's
safety,
and
we
have
a
top-notch
ae
team
in
gensler
and
they
specialize.
J
J
A
Any
questions
for
paul-
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
working
on
this
childcare
need.
You
know
we're
doing
we're
having
conversations
with
our
own
employees,
trying
to
figure
out
how
best
to
provide
child
care
or
stipends
or
what
we
can
do
because
of
the
on
both
long
lists
that
everybody's
on
for
their
kiddos
and
then
the
costs
associated
with
it.
So
every
time
there's
a
business
like
micron,
that's
seeking
to
provide
a
space
for
child
care
for
their
employees,
you're
right.
It
lessens
that
load.
D
D
A
K
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
hope
other
employers
follow
the
lead
of
micron.
I
think,
as
we
hear
folks
struggling
to
get
folks
in
place,
I
think
we've
learned
that
over
the
last
couple
of
years
that
child
care
has
been
a
big
factor
in
all
that,
and
not
only
that,
I
think
it's
also
changed
our
culture
where
folks
are
recognizing.
They
want
to
spend
time
more
opportunities
to
spend
time
with
their
family.
B
F
I
just
want
to
say
ditto,
ditto
and
ditto
to
everything
that's
been
said
so
far.
I
relied
on
child
care
and
it's
very
difficult
to
find
high
quality
child
care
at
times,
and
it's
such
a
relief
when
you
do
and
it
helps
you
in
every
aspect.
So
thanks
to
micron,
I
hope
other
businesses
follow
your
lead
and
I
know
that
your
employees
are
just
going
to
love
it.
So
thank
you.
C
A
L
L
The
applicant
is
requesting
an
annexation
of
approximately
eight
acres
from
our
with
an
r1c
zoning
located
at
3750,
south
maple
grove
road
and
a
preliminary
plant
containing
43
dwelling
units
and
six
common
losses
included.
A
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
development
for
43
dwelling
units
was
approved
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
was
not
appealed
as
such.
Only
the
annexation
and
subdivision
before
council
tonight
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
property
is
located
south
of
victory
and
adjacent
to
the
and
adjacent
to
the
east.
L
L
As
seen
on
the
slide,
the
r1c
zone
is
compatible
and
consistent
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
since
the
site
is
adjacent
since
the
site
and
the
adjacent
neighborhood
to
the
north
is
designated
suburban
on
the
land
use
map
and
the
proposed
r1c
zone
is
most
compatible
with
the
adjacent
properties
as
it
would
allow
for
detached
residential
development,
and
it
is
consistent
with
what
is
anticipated
to
develop
in
the
area.
In
addition,
other
agencies
have
commented
on.
The
application
have
stated
no
objections
to
the
annexation
and
the
property
does
abut,
as
noted
before
city
pro
city
limits.
L
This
is
the
site
plan
for
the
development.
The
development
consists
of
a
subdivision
comprised
of
detached
single-family
homes
and
the
pud
granted
reduced
lot
sizes
with
and
reduced
interior
setbacks.
It
does
provide
pedestrian
connectivity
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
which
includes
this
includes
the
school
site
to
the
east
and
the
adjacent
property
to
west.
In
summary,
the
project
complied
with
all
the
required
with
all
the
required
perimeter,
setbacks
and
amenities.
L
As
per
code.
The
one
main
issue
to
be
discussed
today,
I
think,
would
is:
should
the
proposed
project
contain
a
public
or
private
street?
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
private
street
since
achd
suggested
the
right-of-way
be
private.
However,
the
applicant
intends
to
construct
the
roadway
to
achd
public
street
standards,
and
the
reasons
listed
by
the
highway
district
for
not
accepting
the
public
street
are
as
follows:
is
that
it
doesn't
comply
with
achd
successive
driveway
or
traffic
calming
policies
and
the
highway
district
does
not
believe
there
are
any
opportunities
for
future
street
connections.
L
If
this
was
a
public
street,
the
planning
team
and
the
p
and
the
planning
zoning
commission
is
recommending
that
it
be
dedicated
as
a
public
street
and
to
address
these
issues,
I
would
note
that
there
are
design
techniques
that
could
be
used
to
address
traffic
calming
concerns,
and
the
planning
team
be
believes
that
there
is
potential
for
street
connectivity
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
As
I
just
mentioned.
Therefore,
it
is
recommended
the
street
be
dedicated
as
a
public
road
as
a
public
roadway.
L
However,
if
the
act
will
not
accept
a
public
street
and
requires
a
private
street,
then
the
applicant
shall
dedicate
a
private
street
to
achd
with
the
proposed
substrate
connections
in
the
future.
Should
the
highway
district
be
willing
to
accept
it
at
that
time,
the
planning
team
did
receive
several
letters
from
neighbors
expressing
concerns
regarding
traffic
impacts,
compatibility
density
and
loss
of
mature
trees,
and
I
would
note
that
these
concerns
were
addressed
within
the
project
report.
The
planning
team
also
did
receive
a
late
public
comments
which
was
forwarded
on
to
the
council
this
morning.
L
M
I
Mayor
one
one
question
about
this
public
street
private
street
issue,
and
it's
just
it's
my
ignorance.
I
read
it
like
four
times.
One
of
acht's
reasons
was
that
the
street
doesn't
meet
the
successive
driveways
policy
regarding
the
separation
between
a
public
street
and
the
adjacent
curb
cut
to
the
north,
and
I
just
don't
know
what
that
means
like
what
is
the
issue
from
achd's
perspective.
L
I
F
Madam
mayor,
I
have
a
question
on
annexation
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
this
is
the
right
venue
for
this
or
through
discussion,
so
if
this
is
annexed,
then
ambergris
park
is
adjacent
to
this.
Then
what
rights
does
that
give
to
the
city
to
then
annex
mcgradio
park,
because
it's
already
city
owned?
But
it's
not
within
the
city
limits.
L
Members
of
the
council
I
mean
margaritio
park
is
also
currently
adjacent
to
city
limits
because
it's
abuts
the
the
school
site,
which
is
now
currently
in
the
city.
So
at
this
point
the
city
could
annex
mcgregor
park
site
if
it
so
choose,
because
it
is
abutting
this
the
city
limits
and
complies
with
that
requirement
of
the
code.
F
M
Madame
another
follow-up
question:
I
guess
it's
not
a
follow-up
question
in
the
report.
It
talks
about
a
couple
of
different
pedestrian
pathways
and
I
couldn't
get
the
picture
quite
big
enough
to
really
see
where
those
were.
I
think
it
goes
over
to
the
school.
Is
there
a
way
that
you
could
bring
that
up
and
show
on
the?
L
They
have
a
lot
of
members
of
the
council.
They
have
a
pedestrian
pathway
connecting
the
site
to
the
school
site
right
here
and
within
this
micropath
connection.
So
that's
that's
one.
One
of
the
connection
points.
They
also
have
connection
points
that
connect
over
to
the
the
back
of
the
church
facility,
which
is
a
large
sort
of
playground
area
as
well.
N
N
I've
got
a
brief
powerpoint,
I'm
not
going
to
take
a
whole
lot
of
time.
I
agree
with
the
staff's
presentation
and
we
received
unanimous
approval
from
pnc
on
our
pud
and
a
recommendation
for
approval
on
the
annexation
and
preliminary
plot.
So
I
think
that
was
fairly
thorough,
the
discussions,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
take
a
whole
lot
of
your
time.
There
are
just
a
couple
of
things:
I'd
like
to
show
okay,
see
if
that
works,
they're,
ready
to
go.
J
N
So
so,
really
we
can
touch
on
the
on
the
the
traffic
issue
or
the
connectivity
issue
and
also
the
compatibility
issue,
but
I
think
david
described
it
fairly.
Well,
I'd
rather
just
take
your
questions.
If
that's
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
what
some
of
the
homes
that
were
david
are
you?
Could
you
push
play
it's
a
video,
so
this
is
from
our
besserie
subdivision
off
locust
grove
or
excuse
me,
lake,
hazel
and
cole
road,
and
so
it
was
a
similar
product
to
what
we're
proposing
here
on
our
40-foot
lots.
N
So
I
think
it's
a
really
nice
product
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
don't
do
spec
building.
So
these
were
all
customer
pre-orders
before
constructed.
So
there's
a
good
variety
of
single-story
and
two-story
as
well
as
all
of
them
have
a
two-car
garage,
so
they
range
in
square
footage.
The
the
floor
plans
that
we're
proposing
in
this
area
from
a
thousand
square
feet
up
to
1800
square
feet,
with
the
intent
to
being
and
and
part
of
the
intent
of
the
smaller
lots
and
this
smaller
product
is
part
of
it.
Honestly
is
things.
N
N
I
will
point
out
that
in
acht
staff
report
they
they
acknowledge
that
it
did
not
meet
the
separation
distance,
but
this
falls
under
the
category
of
one
that
they
would
consider
or
recommend
a
modification
of
policy
to
allow
it,
recognizing
that
it's
an
odd
shaped
flag
parcel
and
we
really
don't
have
any
other
options
david.
If,
if
I
could
borrow
your
exhibit
that
had
the
two
collector
future
collector
roads
shown
on
it,
I
think
that
that
helps
greatly.
N
We
were
caught
somewhat
in
between
two
agencies
here,
boise
city
wanting
a
public
street
achd
or
yeah
achd,
wanting
it
private,
with
the
condition
that
we
don't
do
any
stub
streets.
But,
as
david
pointed
out,
they
listed
three
conditions
for
eventually
converting
this
to
a
public
street.
One
is
the.
The
main
thing
is
that
between
boise
and
achd,
you
guys
would
have
to
agree
that
it's
in
the
public
interest-
and
so
you
can
see
these
two
green
lines
on
here.
N
You
know:
we've
got
two
stubs
on
our
south
boundary
as
directed
by
staff
that,
whether
it's
a
park
or
a
future
development
could
could
take
that
access
off
maple
grove
or
at
least
convert
that
to
a
right
and
right
out.
So
I
think
I
think
what
we're
proposing
is
a
interim
fix
it's
the
best
we
can
do
caught
in
between
the
two
agencies.
So
I
hope
you
would
recognize
that,
particularly
with
the
the
collector
road
going
over
to
coal,
you
know
we
could
dump
two
have
two
connection
points
there.
D
For
the
applicant,
madam
mayor,
I
just
had
a
question
about,
and
it's
totally
not
it's
not
super
related,
but
I
noticed
that
some
of
your
landscaping
that
you
showed
us
what
looked
like
water-wise
landscaping
is
that
something
that
you're
doing
on
purpose
is
that
I
mean
it
was
small.
Lawns
nice,
you
know
plantings,
but
it
didn't
look
like
all
lawn,
which
we
know
is
probably
not
the
smartest
thing
to
do
in
the
desert.
So.
N
Over
the
past
couple
years,
we've
greatly
reduced
the
amount
of
lawn.
We
find
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
implants
coming
in
here,
that
that
aren't
used
to
having
irrigation
water
and
they
think
it's
free,
irrigation,
water
and
open
the
taps,
and
what
that
does
is
create
a
lot
of
problems
drainage-wise
on
on
their
lawn
and
on
their
neighbor's
property.
So
we've
started
reducing
the
amount
of
lawn
with
more
plant
beds
and
and
the
perma-bark
areas.
N
A
D
M
D
I
D
C
B
A
O
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
the
applicant
for
the
applicant
is
here
tonight
appealing
the
historic
preservation
commission's
denial
of
an
application
to
construct
a
second
story
edition
on
a
contributing
structure
in
the
north
end
at
on
north
8th
street.
The
property
is
located
very
near
the
corner
of
8th
street
and
alturas
on
the
east
side
of
8th
street
is
accessed
by
the
alley
front
8th
street
with
a
detached
garage
in
the
rear.
O
The
site
plan
shows
in
greater
detail
the
layout
of
the
home
and
the
property.
The
applicant's
proposal
for
an
addition
is
located
generally
in
the
middle
of
the
structure
which
you'll
see
in
the
following
slides,
so
to
provide
some
more
living
space
for
their
family.
The
applicant
did
propose
to
add
a
second
story
edition,
consisting
of
a
cross
gable
with
some
clip
gable
ends
to
mimic
the
existing
structure,
along
with
that,
it
would
rework
and
slightly
expand
the
existing
entry
on
the
side
of
the
home.
O
So
staff
finds
that
the
stork
preservation
is
expressly
authorized
to
evaluate
applications
within
the
historic
districts
in
city
code
and
therefore
the
decision
was
within
their
legal
purview.
The
commission
also
considered
relevant
information
and
application
materials
and
users
that
used
adopted
guidelines
and
regulations
to
to
deliberate
to
towards
their
decision.
In
their
decision.
The
historic
preservation
commission
cited
specific
guidelines
which
the
applicant's
proposal
did
not
meet
and
base
their
decision
on
the
facts
and
evidence
in
the
record.
O
M
M
O
The
applica
the
applicant
actually
came
before
the
historic
preservation
commission
in
2021
to
change
the
status
from
contributing
to
non-contributing.
The
commission
denied
that
application
as
well
found
that
it
did
still
contribute,
but
we
did
feel
that
the
the
structure
has
been
modified
significantly.
O
There
are
limited
opportunities
to
expand
this
home
on
the
property
and
we
certainly
like
to
take
that
into
account.
However,
the
commission
felt
that
the
strict
interpretation
of
the
guidelines
that
the
addition
that
they
had
proposed
did
not
comply
with
those
and
based
on
those
guidelines
that
they
specifically
cited.
M
And
then
mayor
follow
up
there
and
I'm
not
an
expert
in
this
area.
That's
why
we
have
the
historic
commission.
My
understanding
was
that
a
lot
of
it
had
to
do
with
the
front
facade
of
the
building
and
some
of
the
the
street-facing
aspects,
and
then,
when
I
have
seen
lots
of
additions
on
historic
buildings,
particularly
in
this
area,
it
does
tend
to
take
place.
You
know
on
the
back
portion
and
we
tend
to
approve
those.
O
Yeah,
madam
mayor
council,
council
member
haley
burton
so
the
guidelines
recommend
differentiating
additions
in
a
couple
of
different
ways.
They
recommend
setting
them
back
from
existing
building
walls.
They
also
recommend
minimizing
the
visual
impact
from
the
street
so
where
this
proposed
cross
gable,
substantially
changes
the
massing
of
this
home
viewed
from
the
street,
whereas
if
this
was,
for
instance,
if
that
gable
was
turned
90
degrees
lowered,
it
wasn't
visible
from
the
street,
but
it
was
was
still
a
second
story.
M
I
O
Madam
mayor
council,
member
beijing,
you
probably
remember
back
in
january,
so
we
heard
one
where
there
was
this
speculation
about
what
the
changes
make
the
structure
not
contributing.
That
is
speculative
and
we
do
not
consider
that
and
the
in
the
guidelines.
You
know
they
do
not
provide
guidance
about.
Maybe
this
would
make
the
structure
non-contributing
because
again
it
isn't
non-contributing
until
it's
re-surveyed,
so
that
would
just
be
purely
speculative.
P
P
The
project
overview
would
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
history
about
how
we
got
where
we
are
today
and
what
our
desire
is
to
add
approximately
500
square
feet
to
our
contributing
home.
This
does
require
a
four
foot
height
increase,
and
I
want
to
to
tackle
straight
from
the
get-go
on
what
you
spoke
about
with
mr
wilson.
We
have
worked
with
the
architect
and
there
is
no
way
to
do
this
lower
turning
type
deal.
P
P
it's
about
1,
600
square
feet.
Since
2005
we
have
had
two
children,
one
is
age
11
and
one
is
age
13.,
and
it's
just
what
you
would
think.
I
want
our
house
to
be
the
place
where
all
of
the
neighborhood
kids
come
they're,
11
and
13.
They
have
more
freedom,
now
walking
riding
bikes,
we're
right
near
longfellow,
near
north
junior
high,
and
I
want
my
house
to
be
the
place
where
all
the
friends
want
to
come,
spend
time
and
not
go
up.
P
The
hill
into
bigger
mansion
houses
and
the
1600
square
feet
is
we're
just
finding
that's
not
very
conducive
to
that.
It's
it's
very
tight
and
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
make
this
addition
so
that
we
have
a
little
bit
more
room
to
welcome
neighborhood
kids
into
our
home
and
procedural
history.
We
started
this
project
a
while
ago.
We
had
a
staff
level
meeting
with
mr
vanagus.
He
was
employed
then,
and
our
architect
byron
falwell.
P
P
Ultimately,
after
expending
some
resources
on
this
issue,
we
found
that
our
home
was
probably
more
like
the
home
on
the
left
when
it
was
born
in
nightborne
when
it
was
erected
in
1900.
This
really
was
not
a
contested
part
of
the
hearing
at
all.
No
one
disagreed
that
this
was
actually
probably
what
our
home
looked
like:
a
pyramid
hip
style,
the
8th
street
entrance.
If
you
go
along
8th
street,
all
the
doors
are
facing
8th
street,
and
now
you
can
see
it
has
a
clipped
gable.
P
They
move
to
the
entrance
to
the
south
side
and
they
enclose
the
front
porch,
and
you
can
tell
that
because
our
front
door
right,
there
is
only
six
feet
away
from
the
sidewalk
and
it
is
the
home
on
the
block
that
is
the
closest.
So
these
were
proven
facts.
However,
it
still
was
determined
to
be
contributing,
so
they
denied
that
we
then
took
a
stab
at
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
showing
our
proposed
remodel
and
they
denied
that.
So
that
brings
us
to
tonight.
P
We
contend
that
the
historic
preservation
commission
aired
in
their
four
findings,
I'm
going
to
first
discuss
finding
three
and
then
findings,
four
five
and
six
together.
We
also
believe
that
they
failed
to
take
into
consideration
a
number
of
factors
when
denying
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
our
project.
P
So
the
first
error
is
finding
number
three.
They
basically
said
the
proposed
edition
overwhelms
the
existing
structure
in
terms
of
height
and
massing,
cited
4.14.2
and
does
not
comply
with
the
requirements
of
the
guidelines.
Here
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
word
height
is
nowhere
in
the
guidelines
when
discussing
additions
to
contributing
homes.
So
in
that
sense
we
absolutely
respect
what
the
historic
preservation
commission
does.
I
do
feel
that
using
the
word
height
in
their
findings
was
a
bit
of
an
overreach,
because
height
is
not
in
the
guidelines
anywhere.
P
So
that
leaves
us
with
massing.
Massing
is
defined,
in
fact,
by
the
guidelines
and
massing
is
simply
the
bulk
and
the
bulk
of
the
home
so
of
the
structure.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that,
in
my
view,
it
is
impossible
to
do
an
addition
to
your
home
unless
it
is
in
the
basement
without
increasing
the
mass
right.
That's
just
the
very
definition
of
what
addition
is
again
unless
it's
a
basement
edition.
P
P
P
Yes,
this
is
the
proposed
edition
right
here,
and
so
it's
set
12
feet
back
from
the
very
front
of
the
home
in
an
attempt
to
comply
with
4.14
4.1.2
I
mean
economically.
It
would
be
great
honestly
if
we
could
use
all
of
that
square
footage
in
the
front
because
we
have,
I
think
our
house
is
our
house-
is
22
feet
wide.
P
So
we
believe
that
exciting
height,
when
the
height
is
not
in
the
guidelines
and
simply
the
word
masking-
was
an
error
from
the
historic
preservation
commission,
the
next
three
I'm
going
to
lump
together.
I
do
do
see
that
they
cited
height
and
massing
again
in
their
finding
number
six,
but
really
the
gravamen
of
findings.
Four
five
and
six
is
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
It
doesn't
fit
in
with
the
character.
It
doesn't
promote
the
historical
and
traditional
character
and
then
again
here
we
have
character
of
the
district.
P
So
I
look
at
the
guidelines
and
say
what
is
the
quote
character
of
the
north
end
district
character
is
defined
in
the
guidelines
and
it
says
that
it's
the
image
and
perception
of
an
area
as
defined
by
its
built
environment.
So
we
look
around
what's
around
us.
We
also
look
at
the
actual
policy
stated
in
the
guidelines.
Section
2.4
for
the
north
end
specifically,
and
it
says
the
most
significant
features
of
the
north
end
district
are
its
overall
scale
and
simple
character
of
the
buildings
grid,
street
layout
and
tree-lined
landscape.
P
P
We
didn't
spend
the
money
to
have
it
really
overlaid
and
everything,
but
this
is
the
view
from
the
street
which
the
policy
of
the
north
end
dictates
is
the
most
important.
So
here
we
have
it
from
the
front
view,
and
it's
really
really
hard
to
separate
this.
This
is
just
a
raw
image
right
and
there's
nothing
around
it.
It's
so
stark
and
that
thing
looks
huge,
but
I
do
just
encourage
you
to
try
and
picture
it
as
viewed
from
the
street.
P
What
is
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
district?
The
guideline
4.1
talks
about
new
additions
policies
and
we
want
to
maintain
the
character
of
a
rooftop
and
the
mass
and
scale
of
existing
buildings
and
then
in
number
six
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
findings.
They
say
that
it's
not
consistent
with
adjoining
properties.
P
So
if
we
are
talking
about
as
they
said,
it's
not
consistent
with
the
character
of
adjoining
properties.
A
small
second
story
in
the
back,
certainly
is
so
we
believe
that
they
aired
in
findings.
Three
four
five
and
six
for
those
reasons,
and
then
part
of
the
reasons
for
appeal
is
that
the
commission
maybe
failed
to
take
into
account
some
things
and
I
think
that
they
failed
to
take
into
account
the
following:
the
property
doesn't
provide
us
any
alternatives.
This
is
a
modest
addition.
P
So
if
we
look
at
our
property
and
guideline
4.1
kind
of
walks,
you
through,
if
you
have
a
historic
home,
what
should
you
do?
Well,
you
should
first
look
at
basement
additions.
We
did
that
we
cannot
do
that
because
that's
where
our
our
bedroom
is.
It's
already
dug
out
that
1600
feet
square
feet
includes
our
basement
bedroom.
So
we
can't
do
that.
We've
considered
additions
on
both
the
back
and
the
side,
but
we
have
a
substandard
lot.
You
can
see
right
here.
Our
home
is
22
feet
wide.
P
P
P
In
some
ways
it
seems
that
they
do
recognize
that
these
historic
homes
need
to
live
and
breathe
with
the
families
that
live
in
them,
but
we
are
not
here
seeking
to
make
a
three
or
four
thousand
square
foot
house.
You
know
it
after
the
addition,
it
would
be
around
2100
square
feet
that
is
still
in
compliance
with
the
modest
look
of
the
north
end
and
what
we're
talking
about
regarding
the
north
end
policy-
and
this
was
a
city
of
boise
housing-
needs
analysis.
P
Number
four
noted
that
neighborhoods
need
to
increase
housing
density
by
26
to
meet
housing
demand,
I'm
not
saying
that
more
people
are
going
to
live
there
if
we
do
increase
the
size,
but
it
would
certainly
be
more
of
an
option
if
we
ever
needed.
Someone
a
family,
member
or
something
to
come,
live
with
us.
That
would
increase
the
housing
density
of
our
little
footprint.
P
If
this
were
to
be
granted
talked
about
this
before
you
know,
this
is
not
a
perfectly
historic
home
that
should
every
effort
should
be
made
to
not
change
it
at
all.
I
think
that
there's
been
four
remodels
and
three
were
done
before
we
moved
in
17
years
ago.
So,
yes,
this
is
contributing.
We
respect
that
finding,
but
it
is
not
original,
so
we
feel
that
it,
a
little
bit
of
latitude,
should
be
given
for
that
and
then
character
of
the
district.
P
I
don't
believe
that
my
next
slide
is
going
to
work
because
I'm
not
hooked
up
to
the
internet
anymore,
but
I
had
a
little
clip
from
commissioner
malloy
and
she
discussed
specifically
that
if
this
were
to
be
re-surveyed,
she
did
not
believe
that
our
area
would
any
longer
be
in
the
historic
district.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
real
quick
right
here,
I'm
going
to
try.
I
only
have
two
minutes
left.
This
is
this:
is
the
area
the
little
blue
is
our
house
right
there?
P
P
So
we
are
right
on
the
edge
and
if
five
of
19.
that's
not
an
opinion,
we
went
and
looked
and
looked
up
every
single
one.
So
when
we're
talking
about
the
character
of
the
district
and
not
allowing
us
to
do
a
500
square
foot,
addition
to
a
district
that
may
or
may
not
even
exist
in
reality,
it's
it's
a
tough
pill
to
swallow.
The
they
denied
it
because
it
didn't
meet
that.
I
want
to
say
that
the
neighbors
disagreed
we
had
12
affirmative
letters
of
support.
P
I
don't
feel
that
was
considered
neighbors
to
the
south,
to
the
north,
to
the
east
and
then
nine
other
letters.
In
fact,
there
was
no
opposition.
The
boise
city
staff
disagreed.
We
talked
about
that.
They
supported
our
project
initially
and
then
nina
disagreed.
This
is
a
very
active
neighborhood
association.
I
know
that
you
all
hear
from
them
all
the
time,
and
these
are
some
quotes.
P
The
proposed
floor
plan
demonstrates
the
desire
to
minimize
the
visual
impact
of
the
changes.
The
historic
guidelines
don't
explicitly
prohibit
a
second
story.
Edition
nina
supports
this
family
and
finally,
the
project
would
not
be
injurious
to
the
character
of
the
district,
so
nina
testified
at
that
first
hearing
and
said
these
these
quotes.
P
I
just
urge
you,
you
know
homes,
historic
homes,
we
love
them.
I
I
love
living
in
one,
they
can't
be
stuck
in
the
past.
We
need
to
be
able
to
adapt
our
homes
to
our
to
our
current
needs
and
desires,
and
I
just
feel
that
a
four
foot
increase
for
a
family
who's
been
there
for
17
years
and
we
want
to
stay
there.
We
can't
afford
to
move
up
in
the
hills,
nor
do
we
want
to
so
I
just
ask
that
you
find
to
agree
with
us
with
that.
P
A
I
P
Yes,
I
will,
when
that
happened,
is
a
little
bit
of
a
point
of
contention.
Our
builder
crawled
up
there
and
he
found
some
lumber
that
he
believed
it
happened
in
what
year
todd
late
60s
that
wasn't,
I
would
say
the
fact
that
it
happened
was
uncontested.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
dispute
about
that
fact
about
when
it
happened
and
when
it
didn't
and
ultimately
they
said
it
doesn't
matter
when
it
happened,
because
the
other
factors
are
met,
but
we
believe
it
happened
in
the
60s.
L
H
I
P
We
plan
to
keep
all
the
trees,
yes
yep,
that
is
the
case
and,
like
I
said,
I
just
literally
went
to
google
maps
and
pulled
that
off.
I
wasn't
trying
to
get
a
good
shot
or
anything.
This
is
obviously
taken
closer
and
the
slide
I
showed
before,
which
I
could
go
back
to
is
taken
from
the
street
view.
So
there's
a
huge
tree
right
there,
that's
not
in
foliage
right
there,
but
yeah
we're
not
taking
down
any
trees.
I
P
P
Well,
when
you
get
up
in
the
attic
and
do
like
the
investigative
work
that
that
we
did
it's
clear
that
that
was,
that
was
the
roof.
The
distance
from
the
sidewalk,
where
in
our
house
would
have
ended
originally,
is
consistent
with
that
size
of
a
porch
8th
street.
All
of
the
entrances
are
on
the
west
side
or
east
side.
You
know
all
the
entrances
of
the
homes
on
eighth
street,
face
eighth
street
and
not
on
the
side
and
as
well
as
the
fact.
M
Matt
mary
continuing
when
you
talked
with
ted
originally
he
he
kind
of
advised
you
to
go
the
route
of
trying
to
get
it
listed
as
non-contributing.
Did
you
say
that?
Because
he
didn't
think
it
was
going
to
be
possible
to
add
the
type
of
edition
that
you
were
wanting?
Was
there
something
that
he
saw?
That
said
like
this
isn't
going
to
be
compatible
unless
it's
actually
a
non-contributing
house.
B
P
M
P
Because,
honestly,
we
didn't
invest
all
the
money
we
could
in
these
architecture
plans
knowing
that
really
we're
talking
about
the
four
foot
height
increase,
so
if
things
can
be
made
or
suggestions,
we're
open
to
that,
I'm
not
in
any
way
tied
to
the
way.
This
thing
looks
now:
it's
just
that
four
foot
height
increase
must
happen
for
anything
else
to
happen.
So
you
know,
if
there's
a
roof
line
that
this
council
thinks
would
look
better,
we're
completely
open.
It's
just
that's.
M
You
know
I
I
ask
because
like
in
the
guidelines,
it
tells
you
to
do
exactly
that
to
relate
the
rule
of
lines,
the
pitch
and
a
variety
of
other
things,
and
so
there's
some
guidance
in
the
in
the
in
the
guidelines
that
I'm
looking
at
here
and
I'll
have
some
questions
for
staff
about
it
here
in
a
little
bit.
That
tell
you
specifically,
if
you
are
adding
a
second
edition
to
make
sure
that
you're
relating
some
of
those
roof
lines
well,.
P
Q
Good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
hi,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
cindy
montoto,
718
east
mckinley
street
boise,
idaho
83712,
I'm
testifying
tonight.
Simply
as
myself,
a
member
of
the
public,
specifically
a
neighbor
within
another
historic
district,
I
do
serve
on
the
hpc.
However,
I
was
absent
the
night
that
this
application
was
initially
heard
and
therefore
did
not
vote,
and
my
testimony
tonight
is
really
not
to
speak
to
this
application
in
general.
Q
We
are
at
a
severe
risk
of
losing
our
status
as
historic
districts,
and
so
I
ask
that
you
take
into
consideration
at
some
point
in
the
near
future
re-surveying
our
districts,
because
we
could
avoid
potentially
situations
like
this,
because
if,
if
this
home
weren't
on
contributing
had
it
been
resurveyed,
it
would
have
gone
through
likely
at
staff
level.
So
I
just
asked
that
this
is
something
you
put
on
your
radar.
Thank
you.
M
Emily
I've
got
some
questions
for
staff,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
looking
through
some
of
the
guidelines
that
were
pointed
out
in
the
historic
commission's
findings
and
I'm
not
like
the
applicant
was
saying:
I'm
not
seeing
a
lot
of
stuff
that
actually
talks
about
height.
I'm
seeing
lots
of
things
that
talk
about
scale,
and
maybe
I'm
missing.
You
know
some
of
those
areas
also
height
of
four
feet-
increase,
isn't
necessarily
significant,
but
there
is
lots
of
stuff
in
here
about
roof
lines.
About
pop-ups
box
tops
things
along
those
lines.
M
O
Madam
mayor
council,
mayor
holly
burton
so
I
think
the
generally
speaking
the
historic
preservation
commission
associates
the
term
scale
size
and
massing
generally
with
hype.
I
think
height
is
a
component
of
those
all
of
those
terms.
So
that's
where
the
height
comes
into
play
and
in
terms
of
the
the
roof
lines.
O
I
think
that
you
know
you
have
to
take
these
guideline
sections
as
a
whole
right,
so
you
can
have
a
roof
line
that
relates
to
the
other
roof
lines
that
it
still
increases
the
massing
inappropriately,
and
I
think
that's
what
they
felt
like
this
did
you
know,
even
though
it
did
have
those
roof
lines,
the
the
clipped
gables
that
you
mentioned
that
do
relate
to
the
existing
structure
you
know
in.
In
addition
to
that
it,
they
did
still
feel
that
the
massing
increased
to
a
level
that
was
unacceptable.
Sure.
M
And
then,
following
up
there-
and
I
kind
of
asked
this
already
so
I
apologize
for
asking
again-
I
guess
the
hard
part
that
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
is
that
there
isn't
anything
in
here.
That
says,
don't
add
a
second
story
onto
your
building.
It
does
say,
like
you
know,
examine
basements
first
examine
some.
You
know
going
off
the
back
first
and
some
other
areas
there
and
then
it
says
you
know
a
variety
of
different
things.
M
If
you
do
at
that
second
story
of
the
building-
don't
do
this
this
and
that
and
do
a
variety
of
these
things.
So
again,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
with
this
particular
house.
You
know-
maybe
it's
just
too
small
in
general,
but
like
how
would
you
ever
add
something
to
the
top
of
the
building
that
was
shorter
than
four
feet
tall?
That
was
set
back
further,
that
you
know
match
the
lines
of
the
roof.
O
Madam
there
council,
member
holly
burton
you
know,
I
think,
a
couple
things
are
important
to
keep
in
mind.
You
know
their
guidelines,
you
know
they
say
it's
generally,
not
appropriate.
Recognizing
that
there's!
No,
you
know
there
are
so
many
unique
circumstances
in
the
historic
districts
that
you
couldn't
certainly
write,
a
bunch
of
rules
that
say
do
not
do
this.
You
know
it's
generally
appropriate
to
do
these
things,
so
there
are
guidelines
that
can
be
applied
to
specific
situations.
O
Second,
I
think
the
applicant
you
know
when
they
referenced
ted's
kind
of
thoughts
and
leading
them
down
the
path
of
changing
the
status
instead
of
constructing
the
addition
I
think
the
applicant
was
was
accurate
in
their
in
their
impression
of
the
commission's
attitude
towards
raising
height
of
structures.
They
are
certainly
very
reluctant
to
raise
the
height
of
additional
of
structures
and
also
to
say
construct
an
adu
behind
a
home
that
is
significantly
taller
and
they
relate
that.
O
You
know
directly
back
to
those
findings
about
neighborhood
compatibility,
the
size
and
scale
of
traditional
homes
in
the
and
looking
at
the
historic
district
as
a
whole,
not
just
a
block
right.
The
generally
homes
were
smaller
in
scale
and
that
it
would
be
out
of
character
with
the
district
as
a
whole
to
really
increase
height
on
a
broad
scale.
O
I
Madam
mayor,
I
think
it's.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
tough
one,
but
I
think
the
commission
did
make
a
decision
that
was
in
disregard
to
some
of
the
facts
and
circumstances
and
that
at
least
in
some
ways
exceeded
its
statutory
authority
and
the
facts
and
circumstances.
I
think
that
were
disregarded
or
not
given
enough
weight.
I
First,
you
know
what
the
commission
was
correctly
concerned
about
was
the
feel
of
the
structure
on
the
street
facing
facade
and
what
the
commission
had
in
front
of
it
were
these
architectural
renderings,
these
elevations
that
just
sort
of
show
the
picture
and
the
abstract
and
what
we
could
see
in
the
google
view.
This
is
a
very
tree-lined
street.
The
trees,
shade
and
block
exactly
what's
being
built
here,
and
so
really
what
you're
going
to
see
is
the
original
facade?
That's
not
even
really
that
original.
I
B
H
H
I
Thing
is
this:
contributing
home
might
lose
its
status
point
because
that's
come
up
twice
now
this
year.
It's
it's
tough,
because
we
had
testimony
from
a
commissioner
who
pointed
out
very
correctly
that
we've
got
to
preserve
what
we
have,
because
we
could
lose.
You
know
the
requirements
that
we
need
for
our
district.
I
I
You
know
help
at
a
policy
level
from
the
council
direct
that
what
the
commission
should
be
applying
are
the
current
correctly
written
guidelines
to
the
facts
and
circumstances
of
each
case
so
that
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
these
kinds
of
things
so
that
they're
not
trying
to
make
that
much
bigger
picture
call.
So
I'd
support
a
further
conversation
about
resurveying
to
to
get
our
district
more
accurately
drawn.
But
in
this
particular
case
I
think
the
disregard
of
the
actual
facts
and
circumstances
on
the
street
and
I
think
the
use
of
height
as
a
proxy.
C
D
D
D
D
I
mean
it's
just
a
tough
one,
because
historic
preservation-
commission,
you
know
they're
the
subject
matter,
experts
on
this.
They
deliberated
they
gave
their.
You
know
based
on
the
guidelines,
they
made
a
decision
and
I
just
don't.
I
don't
think
that
they,
though
they
didn't
talk
about
trees,
they
didn't
talk
about
the
surrounding
homes.
I
don't
think
that
they
disregarded
that
either.
D
D
D
You
know
all
of
these
wonderful
historic
homes
come
to
us
on
appeal
and
they've,
been
considered
by
historic
preservation.
Commission
that
we're
supposed
to
trust
to
apply
the
guidelines
and
then,
if
we
throw
them
out,
then
we're
not
trusting
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
make
decisions
based
on
the
guidelines.
So
it's
it's
a
really
it's
a
rotten
place
to
be.
D
I
think
that,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
this
is
where
we
are
right
now
with
historic
districts,
and
I
would
like
to
help
to
remedy
that
in
any
way
that
I
possibly
can
and
refine
our
policies
so
that
we
can
hopefully
avoid
these
issues
in
the
in
the
future.
But
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
voting
tonight
to
deny
the
appeal.
A
I
won't
be
voting
tonight
because
there
are
five
of
us,
but
I'm
gonna
jump
in.
I
don't
want
any
council
member
to
feel
as
though
making
a
decision
to
grant
an
appeal
is
a
lack
of
trust
for
our
commissions
and
because,
as
council
members
and
if
there
were
six
of
us
I
would
be-
I
could
potentially
be
voting
tonight.
It's
on
us
to
hear
the
record
and
make
a
decision
based
on
what's
been
presented
to
us.
While
reviewing
the
record.
A
Because
then
there
were
two
things
that
the
commission
starts
to
think
about.
Is
you
know
what
happens
if
this
comes
off
and
the
impact
on
the
district
and
then
the
house
itself?
And
while
it
would
have
made
the
whole
process
easier,
because
if
it
was
non-contributing,
they
could
do
whatever
they
wanted
on
this
lot,
I
think
that
it
made
it
more
difficult
for
the
the
commission
to
separate
the
two
issues
and
consideration
and
deliberation,
and
frankly
this
is
a
constrained
law.
A
This
house
is
right
on
top
of
the
street
I
go
by
often
like
it
is
literally
right.
On
top
of
the
street
and
the
houses
on
either
side
of
it
are
taller
than
it,
and
they
are
right
next
to
each
other.
So
there's
no
room
that
way
either
I
mean
there's
nowhere
to
go
but
up
and
when
we're
in
a
city
within
districts
that
are
seeking
to
ensure
that
families
can
stay
in
our
communities.
M
I
agree
with
everything
that
every
single
person
has
said
so
far,
there's
a
couple
things
that
I
want
to
bring
up,
because
I
think
we're
comparing
this
a
little
bit
to
something
that
we
saw
earlier
and
to
me,
there's
there's
two
big
differences
and
one
of
the
big
differences
is
the
last
applicant
was
wanting
a
dormer,
but
the
dormer
wasn't
a
make
or
break
on
whether
or
not
they
would
actually
be
able
to
do
the
construction
on
the
house.
It
was
actually
largely
aesthetic
and
going
to
make
it
a
little
bit
nicer.
M
So
when
we
actually
look
at
the
guidelines
it
talks
about
if
a
dormer
is
necessary,
it
should
follow
this
character
of
things.
In
that
circumstance
it
actually
wasn't
necessary.
They
could
still
do
the
addition.
It
just
wasn't
going
to
be.
You
know
as
bright
and
sunny
on
the
inside
here
we
actually
have
somebody
who
is
doing
it
for
a
reason
that
isn't
decorative
it's
actually
a
necessary
use
on
a
constrained
piece
of
property.
So
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
difference
there.
M
I
think
there's
another
difference
in
that.
The
last
house
that
we
were
looking
at
if
we
would
have
added
that
dormer
that
wasn't
necessary,
there's
a
strong
chance.
It
was
going
to
become
a
non-contributing
house,
and
so
it
might
switch
here.
We
have
a
house
that
we
already
expect,
and
one
of
our
commissioners
already
expect,
isn't
contributing
something's
going
to
happen
to
it
and
it's
still
not
going
to
be
contributing,
and
so,
if
a
survey
was
done
now
beforehand,
probably
wouldn't
be
on
there.
M
It's
going
to
be
done
later,
still,
probably
not
going
to
be
on
there.
So
I
don't
know
that
we're
actually
taking
a
house
and
switching
it
from
one
way
to
the
other.
I
don't
find
like
explicit
error.
I
can
understand
that
the
historic
commission
got
to
where
they
did.
I
can
also
easily
look
through
a
lot
of
these
guidelines
and
say
they
did
this
one.
They
did
this
one.
They
did
this
one
and
it
isn't
out
of
character
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
For
those
reasons
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
F
Sorry
about
that
you're
good,
you
know
I,
my
colleagues
have
made
some
great
comments
and
I
think
we
all
agree
that
there's
more
work
to
be
done
on
this,
I
would
just
say
to
the
applicant.
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
for
your
family
and
I
want
to
do
whatever
I
can
do
to
help
you
get
there
and
that's
why
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
K
This
time
is
it's
kids
and-
and
I
think
you
know
we're
always
talking
about
how
we
want
to
promote
more
opportunities
for
folks
to
get
around
our
city
by
walking
biking,
that
we
want
to
provide
more
opportunities
for
density,
and
that
means
making
the
most
of
what
we
already
have
and-
and
it
sounds
like
after
two
of
these-
maybe
that
will
be
put
on
our
list
of
to-do's-
is
re-serving
our
historic
districts
to
tighten
that
up
a
bit.
So
with
that,
I
I
will
be
supporting
emotion.