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From YouTube: Boise City Council - Evening Session
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March 8, 2022
A
A
A
And
next
up
we
have
the
roll
call.
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
of
personal
privilege
and
thank
our
clerk
char,
who
will
be
leaving
to
take
the
role
as
chief
clerk
for
the
city
of
nampa,
and
we
have
so
appreciated
your
service,
I've
loved
having
you
by
my
side.
We
will
miss
you
and
won't
hold
it
against
mayor
cling.
E
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
have
two
motions
that
I'd
like
to
make.
One
is
that
I
move
that
we
defer
resolution
135
22
to
a
date
certain
of
march
15th
staff
is
awaiting
additional
documents
that
are
needed
proceed
and,
second,
that
we
pull
the
fy21
comprehensive
annual
financial
report
off
the
consent
agenda
and
put
it
second
on
special
business
to
allow
staff
to
present
a
few
slides,
great.
A
F
E
Mayor,
I
think
I
said,
move
to
approve
instead
of
unanimous
consent,
so
we
either
need
to
ask
for.
A
Okay
yep,
would
you.
A
Okay
and
next
up.
We
will
move
into
special
business
and
we
have
one
item
this
evening
and
it
is
the
appointment
of
timothy
king
to
serve
as
our
director
of
planning
and
development
services.
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
couple
things
before
handing
this
off
to
council.
A
But
importantly,
I
would
say
his
history
in
smaller
communities,
where
design
and
people-oriented
and
neighborhood-oriented
development
was
important,
was
something
that
was
really
important
to
me
and
to
the
selection
committee
and
look
forward
to
the
partnership
and
that
we
will
have
as
a
mayor
and
council
and
with
this
department,
director
and
importantly,
look
forward
to
welcoming
timothy,
if
you're
so
willing
to
join
the
executive
management
team
at
the
city
of
boise,
an
incredible
group
of
directors
whose
time
is
spent
thinking
and
making
not
just
thinking
but
then
doing
what
needs
to
be
done
to
ensure
that
we're
able
to
innovate
and
to
provide
the
services
and
create
the
city
that
our
residents
have
come
to
expect
and
seek
to
envision
with
us.
A
And
so
with
that
it'd
be
an
honor
to
put
this
nomination
before
this
council.
Madam
mayor.
E
I
move
that
we
confirm
timothy
king
as
the
director
of
planning
and
development
services
for
the
city
of
boise.
J
E
F
E
Of
you
know
that
planning
is
awfully
important
to
me
and
filling
this
job
has
been
one
that
has
not
just
been
on
your
mind,
but
on
the
mind
of
many
of
us
in
the
city,
including
myself,
as
it
turns
out,
I
had
the
pleasure
of
listening
to
mr
keane
speak
at
a
conference
many
many
years
ago,
which
I
didn't
put
together
until
after
the
process.
E
But
after
contacting
an
old
dear
friend,
in
charleston
south
carolina,
I
confirmed
that
that
my
memory
was
was
right
and
for
me
that
experience
that
memory
of
that
experience
confirmed
what
I
learned
during
the
confirmation
or
the
selection
process,
which
was
that
tim
comes
to
us
with
a
variety
of
experience
in
a
variety
of
kinds
of
sizes
kinds,
context
of
communities,
including
in
charleston,
south
carolina,
where
there's
a
tremendous
array
of
historic
resources
that
he
was
charged
with
figuring
out
how
to
both
protect
and
make
vibrant
as
the
city
revived
and
grew,
and
from
my
experience
in
that
city,
he
was
very
successful
at
doing
that.
E
His
experience
in
his
earlier
experience
in
davidson
is
one
that
I
had
also
followed
through
some
books
that
I'd
been
reading
early
on
in
my
planning
career
around
rural
design
and
how
to
make
small
rural
communities
work,
as
they
grew
in
this
case
with
the
college
and
davidson
and
most
recently
impressed
with
his
work
in
atlanta,
where
he
was
able
to
take
a
department
that
had
a
long
reputation
of
not
working
very
well
for
either
the
citizens
or
the
development
community
and
turning
that
around
and
for
all
of
those
reasons.
I'm
just.
F
E
So
with
that,
I
heartily
give
my
support.
D
D
He
had
some
really
great
questions
about
the
current
state
of
our
city,
where
we're
at
right
now
and
where
we
hope
that
be,
he
had
great
ideas
around
how
we
serve
our
citizens
better,
including
addressing
some
issues,
issues
and
concerns
that
I've
heard
from
citizens
over
the
years
about
being
able
to
build
their
own
homes
instead
of
having
to
work
with
professionals.
D
When
folks
are,
you
know
perfectly
capable
of
filing
an
application
to
put
a
patio
cover
on
their
home,
for
example.
So
I
was
just
really
impressed
with
his
approach
his
understanding
of
myriad
planning
issues,
and
if
you
look
him
up
online,
he
has
all
these
accolades.
D
K
Mary,
I
can
keep
this
pretty
short.
I
just
want
to
welcome
you
to
to
my
hometown.
My
father
is
also
from
georgia
and
he
came
here
and
he
decided
that
this
was
the
place
for
him
and
and
now
I'm
here
as
well.
So
I'm
excited
to
welcome
you
to
to
boise.
I
think
it's
an
amazing
place
to
be.
Certainly
we
have
some
challenging
times
and
I
would
never
just
discount
any
of
those
challenges,
but
I
also
think
that
I
would
describe
it
as
an
exciting
time.
K
L
A
M
M
Certainly,
it's
the
planning
department's
responsibility
to
help
you
and
and
the
residents
of
the
city
shape
this
growth
such
that
boise
becomes
a
better
place
and
I'm
excited
to
be
in
a
city
where
the
relationship
between
the
physical
place
and
the
prosperity
of
the
people
is
is
recognized
by
its
leadership
and
so
many
of
its
residents,
the
relationship
between
the
physical
place
and
and
the
people
in
boise
such
a
close
one,
that's
exciting
to
me.
It's
it's
one.
M
N
A
I
think
we
do
the
yeah
we
should.
I
I'm
going
to
call
it
the
capper,
because
I'm
not
going
to
get
the
right
words
for
it.
I'm
if
we
change
the
agenda.
Thank
you
and
we're
going
to
move
to
the
next
item.
It's
under
special
business,
it's
just
not
on
the
printed
agenda,
because
the
council
president
made
a
motion
and
to
add
it
to
special
business.
We'll
do
that
next.
O
O
One
thing
that
is
a
little
bit
unique
to
this
year
is
the
report.
Name
did
change,
it
is
now
the
annual
comprehensive
financial
report
us
in
the
accounting
team
have
been
calling
it.
The
ack
fur
a
little
bit
like
a
hairball,
but
the
other.
The
original
acronym
was
found
to
be
not
politically
correct.
O
All
right,
this
is
going
to
be
very
brief,
our
net
position
for
the
year
the
city
continues
to
have
a
good
financial
position.
There
are
increases
in
cash
and
investments,
mostly
due
to
prepaid
federal
grant
awards
that
were
received
and
our
airport
bond
both
of
these
items
are
offset
by
a
liability.
O
O
O
One
other
major
impact
to
our
balance
sheet
is
the
percy
favorable
investments
resulted
in
in
actually
moving
that
liability
into
an
asset
position
for
the
current
year,
and
that
is
an
impact
to
our
financial
statements,
because
we
own
a
portion
of
that
asset.
O
O
O
O
O
Our
our
city
departments
have
done
well
with
reporting
in
the
past
and
will
keep
the
responsibility
of
reporting
with
them.
The
departments
will
provide
a
listing
of
reporting
requirements
to
the
grants
office
as
new
awards
are
received
and
of
existing
awards.
At
this
time,
and
together
the
grants
office
and
each
department
will
collaborate
to
ensure
the
city
is
compliant
with
these
grant
reporting
requirements
going
forward.
O
Madam
mayor
and
council
members,
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight.
Do
you
have
any
questions
on
our
financial
report
or
our
audit
or
corrective
action
plan
at
this
time.
E
Mayor
just
real
quickly,
I
would
note
that
for
the
first
time
that
I've
been
part
of
this,
the
auditors
made
a
special
point
to
praise
the
work
of
sabrina
in
as
they
completed
their
work
and
how
timely
she
was
and
how
much
help
she
was
in
making
sure
that
everything
was
done
well
and
accurately.
So
just
wanted
to
pass
that
along.
A
Thanks
and
now
we
will
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
with
an
asterisk
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion.
There'll
be
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items
unless
a
council,
member
or
citizen
still
requests,
in
which
case
the
item
will
be
removed
from
the
general
order
of
business
and
considered
in
its
normal
sequence.
E
Madam
mayor,
before
we
vote,
if
I
could
just
note
there
is
a
resolution
on
here
that
notes
that
the
company
is
a
subsidiary
of
jacobs.
My
husband
works
for
jacobs,
but
he
does
no
work
in
relationship
to
this
company.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
vote
on
this.
F
B
Ord-9-22,
an
ordinance
coa
21-004,
limiting
the
development
code
regarding
wireless
communication
facilities
and
associated
definitions,
section
11-06-0,
4.2
and
section
11-12-02.1,
including
changes
to
the
review
process
and
site
development
standards
for
attached
and
freestanding
communication
facilities,
ord-10-22
an
ordinance
amending
title,
9
chapter
2
development
impact
fees,
section
12b,
boise,
city
code.
This
amendment
updates
the
development
impact
fees
for
service
per
service
unit
and
provide
an
effective
date
of
may
6.
2022.
B
ord
11-22
an
ordinance
repealing
and
replacing
boise
city
code.
Title
3,
chapter
4,
entitled
sidewalk
cafes,
setting
forth
the
legal
authority,
purpose
and
scope
of
the
ordinance
establishing
that
general
licensing
provisions
are
applicable.
Providing
definitions
requiring
a
permanent
establishing
permits
are
non-transferable
setting
forth
application
requirements.
B
B
An
ordinance
adopting
a
new
chapter
19
to
boise
city
code,
title
3,
entitled
festival,
blocks,
sending
forth
the
legal
authority
purpose
and
scope
of
the
ordinance
establishing
that
general
licensing
provisions
are
applicable.
Providing
definitions
providing
for
the
designation
of
festival
blocks,
providing
an
application
for
festival,
block
designation
setting
for
the
factors
and
standards
for
festival,
block
designation,
providing
the
authority
for
designations
that
no
property
right
is
granted
requiring
designation
to
operate
as
a
festival.
Block
establishing
designations
are
non-transferable,
providing
the
term
of
designation
compliance
with
all
laws
required.
Setting
forth
signage
requirements.
B
Providing
the
uses
allowed
under
festival,
block
designation,
establishing
process
for
designation
reassessment
providing
for
the
denial
suspension
or
ratification
of
a
festival,
block
designation
and
an
appeal
thereof.
Sending
forth
penalties
for
violations
of
the
ordinance
approving
a
summary
of
the
ordinance
and
providing
effective
date.
H
A
D
M
B
P
F
B
B
Ord-5-22
and
ordnance,
car,
21-000-23
or
property
located
at
914,
west
royal
boulevard
and
917
southwest
street.
I'm
going
to
join
in
classifications
of
the
city
of
boise
city
to
change
the
classification
of
real
property,
particularly
described
in
section
1
of
this
ordinance
from
c-2-d
general
commercial,
with
design
review
to
r-o-d-d-d-a
residential
office
with
downtown
design,
review
and
development
agreement.
Sending
forth
a
recent
statement
in
support
of
such
zone
change
and
providing
effective
date.
E
D
R
O
B
A
A
A
Great
thank
you
and
if
folks
were
online
for
this
one,
if
you'll
raise
your
zoom
hand,
our
clerk
will
help
us
go
through
and
call
you
to
testify
on
this
matter,
but
first
I'm
going
to
start
with
and
folks
that
are
here
in
the
room
and
with
that
we've
got
karen
gallagher
and
bree
brush
to
present
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
to
the
public.
To
hear
from,
you
excuse
me
to
hear
your
testimony.
S
T
To
give
you
some
background.
In
2019,
this
body
established
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
vrt
to
outline
a
regular
process
for
public
transit
funding.
As
part
of
that,
you
receive
an
annual
update
from
vrt
to
city
council
each
year.
You
provide
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
public,
that's
where
we
are
now
and
then
our
next
steps
after
this
will
be
a
resolution
to
finalize
a
funding
amount
for
vrt
and
the
annual
projection
for
five
percent
would
be
somewhere
around
8.7
million.
T
You
can
see
on
the
screen
here
our
most
previous
year's
contributions,
as
well
next
I'll
hand
it
over
to
karen
who
will
talk
about
those
fy
23
priorities
and
even
looking
into
some
five-year
priorities
for
transit
as
well.
U
Thank
you
so
for
the
following
year
or
the
next
year
fy23,
we
wanted
to
continue
emphasizing
the
one-time
improvements
on
our
best
in
class
routes
of
fairview,
vista
and
state,
but
just
backing
up
right
before
that
stephen
presented
last
month
on
the
progress
that
brt
has
made
on
the
on-time
performance
and
we'd
like
to
keep
that
as
one
of
our
top
priorities
to
serve
existing
and
to
attract
new
ridership
as
well.
So
on
those
best-in-class
routes.
We
wanted
to
focus
on
the
stop
amenities
throughout
our
system.
Our
bus
stops
are
slowly
making
progress
and
improvements.
U
Our
goal
would
be
to
focus
resources
on
those
best-in-class
routes,
as
we
spelled
out
in
the
transportation
action
plan,
so
that
does
include
the
shelters,
benches
lighting
and
bike
racks.
It
also
includes
real-time
information
which
the
photo
on
the
right
here
is
an
example
of
e-paper.
It's
a
little
different
than
what
vrt
is
looking
at,
but
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
of
the
information
that
we
can
have
at
the
stops
and
we're
looking
at
employing
that
first
on
state
street,
hopefully
through
a
raise
grant.
U
But
if
not,
we've
got
other
ways
to
move
forward
with
that
on
state
street
and
then
our
other
best
in
class
as
well,
and
then
looking
at
the
five-year
horizon.
So
vrt
is
developing
their
five-year
plan
and
we
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
priorities
that
we
have
to
take
forward.
So
one
is
looking
at
improving
the
transit
hub,
that's
out
at
the
mall
and
right
now,
there's
not
much
infrastructure
there.
U
I
mean
there's
plenty
of
room
for
buses
and
we
do
have
six
routes
that
connect
at
the
town
square
mall,
but
looking
to
add
an
actual
facility
there
to
service,
the
riders
would
be
a
wonderful
step
forward
and
then
we'd
want
to
continue
the
bus
stop
improvements
like
I
said
not
only
on
the
best
in
class.
We
have
a
lot
of
improvements.
U
There
would
be
the
fairview
route
to
increase
it
to
the
15-minute
frequency,
which
is
what
we
have
on
state
and
vista
currently,
and
then
our
next
priority
that
we'd
like
to
put
forward,
is
looking
at
our
five.
We've
got
five
routes
that
have
our
lowest
frequency
and
they're
currently
at
60
minutes.
U
U
So
this
is
a
starting
point
and
with
that
we'll
close
out
with
a
map
showing
the
system
and
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
and
then
we
can
transition
into
the
public
hearing.
I
did
also
want
to
just
highlight
that
at
your
at
the
diocese
there
we've
given
you
a
copy
of
an
email
from
kelly,
long
that
we
received
since
the
packet
had
been
sent
to
you
on
her
comments
on
the
system
and
what
she
has
experienced.
E
Madam
mayor
well,
thank
you
excited
to
hear
the
progress
that
we're
making
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
some
of
the
cost
estimates
for
some
of
those
extensions.
My
question
is
this:
if
we
don't
see
a
return
to
ridership
on
fairview
to
pre-covered
levels,
kind
of
thinking,
chicken
and
egg
here,
do
we
wait
if
we
think
we
are
at
a
point
where
we
have
the
funding
to
increase
frequencies
to
15
minutes,
or
do
we
go
ahead
with
a
15
minute
frequency,
anticipating
that
that
will
draw
more
riders?
E
My
memory
is
that
on
state
street
we
went
to
the
15-minute
frequency,
assuming
that
it
would
draw
more
writers
and
it
did.
U
Madam
mayor
council
member,
so
there's
a
few
things
at
play
there
so
on
on
state
street,
we
were
already
in
a
growth
situation
and
then
specifically
on
fairview.
Fairview
is
interesting
because
it
has
what
you
know:
the
seven
fairview
split
into
two
routes,
so
there's
two
routes
that
run
on
a
segment
of
fairview
and
then
the
7b
splits
off
and
goes
down
south
to
the
mall
and
the
7a
heads
up
into
the
west
bench.
U
So
right
now,
with
the
resources
that
we
have,
they
are
timed
such
that
we
have
15
minute
frequency
for
three
quarters
of
an
hour,
so
fairview
almost
has
15
minute,
at
least
during
for
that
segment.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
15
minutes
heading
out
to
the
mall,
so
it's
not
as
far
behind
as
you
might
or
take
just
at
face
value.
U
If
you
looked
at
that
so
in
the
comment
wasn't
just
on
fairview
that
we
would
wait
for
it
to
get
to
pre-co,
but
I
think
it
was
more
of
a
system
that
we
would
wait
till
we
get
to
pre-cobit.
U
U
We
don't
have
a
lack
of
one-time
improvements
that
are
needed,
so
it's
really
an
opportunity
to
invest
in
the
system,
because
otherwise
we
always
have
this
kind
of
tug
between
the
two
of
do
we
just
head
forward
with
increasing
service
and
that
we've,
our
bus
stops,
are
really
in
need.
So
we
did
see
this
as
an
opportunity,
but
that
you
know
we're
of
course,
open
to
how
council
would
like
to
proceed.
That
way.
Thank
you.
E
E
Do
we
you
know
at
what
point
do
we
start
planning
to
for
the
increase
in
service
and
just
making
sure
we
keep
an
eye
on
it?
I
guess
the
other
other
point
for
me
on
fairview
is
at
what
point
do
we
look
at
the
route
structure
even
more
deeply
and
see
if
we
can't
find
a
route
structure
that
helps
ridership?
I
think
we
did
some
of
that
on
state
street
by
splitting
off
the
10
from
the
9
and
the
9x,
and
really
focusing
on
the
nine
and
it
seemed
to
help.
U
Air
council
member,
we
definitely
have
some
opportunities,
especially
in
the
west
bench
and
with
the
7a
and
the
7b
and
vrt's.
You
know
ready
to
engage
in
that.
I
think
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
in
alignment
on
the
land
uses
that
are
currently
there
where
we're
headed
it.
Some
of
the
changes
would
switch
right
now
that
one
of
the
routes
is
a
north-south,
so
it
does
provide
connectivity
to
the
town
square
mall
and
up
through
the
west
bench.
P
Mayor,
I
have
a
question
when
we
look
at
the
budget
projections.
Has
it
always
been
five
percent,
or
has
it
been
a
little
bit
less
because,
as
I
was
looking
at
the
different
years,
it
differentiated
and
I
wanted
to
get
a
better
sense
of
that.
T
Madam
mayor
councilmember
willits,
the
differentiation
you
see
between
2022
and
that
projection
for
fy
23
is
simply
that
there
were
some
federal
relief
dollars
applied.
So
while
the
while
we
had
the
budget
authority
to
go
up
to
five
percent,
our
request
from
brt
was
lessened
and
offset
by
federal
dollars.
E
Madam
mayor,
if
I
could
for
council
member
willets
and
maybe
others
in
the
audience
who
don't
know
the
history
of
this
previous
to
2019,
vrt
would
come
to
us
on
a
yearly
basis.
With
a
request
for
funding.
E
And
while
we
always
met
that
request,
the
their
experience
in
other
communities
was
not
that,
and
so
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
city
of
boise
chose
to
go
to
the
mou
and
commitment
to
funding
was
so
that
vrt
could
do
more
long-range
planning,
based
on
the
knowledge
that
the
city
was
going
to
at
least
fund
it
by
this
much,
and
so
I
you
know.
Hopefully
I
think
that
has
been
helpful,
and
last
year
we
had
the
opportunity
to
reduce
it
just
a
bit
because
of
the
federal.
D
Madam
mayor,
I
appreciate
that
history
a
little
bit.
I
want
to
add
a
little
more
context
for
anyone
who
might
be
new
to
our
community.
So
idaho
is
now
the
only
state
in
the
nation
that
does
not
have
a
dedicated
funding
source
for
public
transit,
and
so
it's
up
to
cities
and
counties
and
the
various
communities
served
by
valley.
Regional
transit
to
fund
brt
through
our
general
fund.
D
A
Thank
you
so
now
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
with
those
of
you
that
are
here
for
this
I've
got
mary
beth
netting
signed
up
on
a
sheet.
So
why
don't
you
come
on
up
mary
beth
and
then
there
were
three
or
four
more
of
you
that
raised
your
hands.
I
don't
have
your
names
on
here.
So
I'll,
probably
just
remember
you,
sir,
did
I'll
just
kind
of
point
into
the
room
and
you
all
can
come
up.
V
Good
to
see
all
of
you,
my
name
is
mary
beth
nutting
and
my
address
is
5390
north
north
wall
avenue,
I
feel
like
my
voice-
is
booming.
Am
I
too
loud?
Okay,
mata
mayer
and
members
of
the
boise
city
council?
I
am
a
multi-modal
transportation
user,
meaning
I
bicycle,
walk,
use,
public
transit
and
drive
in
my
commuting
around
the
community.
V
I
have
used
public
transit
since
I
was
eight
years
old.
I
read
a
lot
about
active
transportation
and
public
transit.
It
is
something
that
I
care
deeply
about.
Having
an
effective
public
transit
system
can
address
many
of
the
inequities
that
we
experience
in
our
community
and
can
support
boys
in
achieving
their
version
of
the
american
dream.
V
Improving
public
transit
in
the
city
can
give
many
boys
access
to
higher
paying
jobs,
access
to
improved
living
conditions
and
access
to
education,
and
when
I
say
education
I
mean
starting
at
the
preschool
level
through
higher
education
at
the
university
college
or
trade
schools.
It
can
support
our
aging
population
in
their
mobility
and
can
help
them
in
continuing
to
live
in
their
homes.
A
reliable
public
transit
system
can
provide
people
with
disabilities
access
to
various
life,
fulfilling
opportunities
throughout
the
city
to
improve
access
to
public
transit
in
boise.
V
The
areas
of
service
need
to
be
expanded.
For
instance,
two
of
the
major
routes
listed
in
the
public
hearing
member
the
state
and
fairview
bus
routes
need
to
be
extended
further
west.
Currently,
the
state
street
route
does
not
go
any
further
west
than
the
walmart
near
glenwood
and
state,
and
the
fairview
route
does
not
go
any
further
west
than
milwaukee
we're
missing
a
lot
of
people
in
a
lot
of
businesses.
V
V
Like
me,
a
lot
of
people
who
use
transit
or
who
would
like
to
use
transit
need
to
have
access
to
it
on
the
weekends
and
evenings
in
order
to
get
to
work
or
various
activities
in
the
city.
In
addition
to
that,
the
frequency
that
a
bus
route
route
that
a
bus
runs
on
a
route
needs
to
increase
several
of
the
bus
routes,
run
hourly,
meaning
if
a
person
misses
their
bus,
they
have
to
wait
another
hour
for
the
next
bus
oftentimes.
V
The
infrequency
of
a
bus
can
cause
someone
because
of
the
timing
and
connection
of
the
buses
to
have
a
bus,
commute
time
of
90
minutes
or
more.
When
that
same
commute
would
take
20
minutes
by
car.
It
would
be
ideal
if
every
bus
route
could
run
buses
every
15
to
30
minutes.
According
to
the
public
hearing,
memo
that
was
released,
five
of
the
routes
are
being
considered
for
more
frequent
service
in
the
five-year
transportation
plan.
One
of
those
routes
is
one
that
I
use
frequently
the
number
10
and
I
am
particularly
excited
about.
B
V
V
Given
all
that
I've
stated,
I
absolutely
support
the
funding
goal
of
five
percent
of
the
city's
property
tax
receipts
to
support
public
transit
in
boise.
Thank
you
to
valley
regional
transit
for
all
the
work
that
they
have
done
on
improving
the
transit
system.
Thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
everything
that
you've
done
in
supporting
transit,
improving
it
especially
council
president
elaine
clegg,
because
I
know
that
this
has
been
a
very
high
priority
of
hers
for
years
and
years,
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
A
A
F
N
Hello
and
thank
you
to
madame
mayor
council
members,
my
name
is
nicholas
latrell,
I'm
new
to
idaho
area.
I
moved
here
in
november
of
2020.,
I
am
a
visually
impaired
person,
and
so
I
do
depend
on
the
buses
to
get
around.
I
recently
moved
from
the
seattle
area
of
washington,
where
they
do
have
fairly
fluent
bus
systems
and,
as
I
came
out
to
idaho
and
I'm
learning
the
bus
system,
I
started
seeing
the
differences
and
the
things
that
idaho
buses
did
not
have
in
july
of
2021.
N
N
A
L
Hello
good
evening,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
My
name
is
becky
walker.
My
address
is
10827
west
view.
Stick
road
and,
like
several
other
people
have
testified.
I
am
a
public
transit
user
and
I
have
been
for
many
years.
I
currently
ride
more
full-time
on
my
bike
than
the
bus
due
to
the
lack
of
connectivity
that
the
the
system
provides.
I'm
excited
about
moving
forward
the
five-year
plan,
but
for
a
lot
of
us
it's
really
hard,
I
can
run
to
work
faster
than
I
can
get
to
work
by
the
bus.
L
L
My
bike
commute
can
average
from
6
miles
to
12
miles
when
I
can
ride
the
bus
into
work.
With
my
bike,
when
I
work
in
the
east
end,
I
still
have
to
ride
several
miles,
which
is
great
for
my
health,
but
in
bad
weather.
Having
more
options
than
just
having
to
ride
in
bad
weather
would
be
excellent.
I
think
that
this
helps
all
of
our
marginalized
communities.
J
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
kelly
fairless
executive,
director
of
valley,
regional
transit.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share
some
of
the
thoughts
from
vrt's
perspective.
J
J
More
often,
I
look
forward
to
this
public
hearing
each
year
because
I'm
reminded
of
the
city
council's
larger
goals
and
the
needs
of
those
who
who
are
here
to
testify
and
the
needs
we
hear
from
of
people
all
over
this
region
all
the
time-
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
all
of
those
who
provided
testimony
here
tonight
and
the
the
issues
that
we
hear
from
the
city
that
vrt
is
listening.
J
They
want,
more
specifically,
to
continue
to
build
great
transit
on
premium
corridors,
to
make
connections,
to
destinations
within
the
city
and
across
the
region
to
invest
in
bus,
stops,
technologies
and
other
facilities
that
improve
the
quality
of
the
customer
experience,
and
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
and
provide
those
weekend
and
evening
services
as
well
also
be
assured
that
vrt
takes
seriously
our
role
to
ensure
the
optimal
investment
of
the
city
of
boise
funds,
as
we
move
forward
to
address
these
important
needs.
We
are.
J
We
understand
that
to
make
connections
to
your
strategic
goals,
whether
it's
housing
for
all
movement
for
all
climate
for
all
or
opportunity
for
all.
We
may
need
to
consider
how
to
do
more
than
one
thing
at
a
time
and
for
us
what
that
means
is
to
continue
to
work
with
our
jurisdiction
partners
to
expand
services
across
the
region
to
respond
to
all
the
changes
and
disruptions
we've
seen
because
of
covid.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
leaving
behind
some
populations
because
of
the
fact
that
ridership
is
down.
J
We
are
still
carrying
really
important
passengers
and
we
want
to
offer
solutions
to
lower
performing
routes
and
advancements
to
and
that
we
see
that
technology
may
offer
for
for
making
those
improvements
and
to
identify
and
align
some
new
federal
resources.
We
talked
about
raise,
but
there's
also
quite
a
few
of
our
formula
resources
that
we
could
maybe
use
in
different
ways
to
stretch
our
local
dollars.
J
We
use
our
five-year
work
program
as
a
mechanism
to
consider
multi-year
investments.
This
may
we
will
be
launching
a
season
of
engagement
with
the
community.
We
are
using
that
time
to
not
only
talk
about
our
transportation
development
plan
and
and
get
comments,
but
also
to
hear
about
the
ideas
on
other
near
and
medium
term
investments.
The
public
would
like
to
see
this
input
will
be
used
to
help
us
update
our
vision
for
the
future.
J
We
hope
to
get
some
time
to
continue
to
bring
those
ideas
back
to
this
council
and
to
to
your
communities
to
help
inform
our
future
planning
work.
And,
finally,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
support
of
valley,
regional
transit
and
that
the
leadership
that
you
demonstrate
to
advanced
mobility
and
access
to
those
you
represent
in
the
community.
It
really
is
a
pleasure
to
work
for
all
of
you.
H
E
E
You
were
prepared,
knowing
what
we
could
apply
for
and
what
was
needed
on
state
street
and
had
that
list
at
the
ready
he'd
also
been
working
hard
on
the
collaborative
relationship
with
the
other
jurisdictions
along
state
street
line.
So
for
all
of
that,
thank
you
really
appreciate
it.
My
question
to
you,
as
the
you
mentioned
it
briefly,
as
the
strategic
plan
for
vrt
goes
along,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
ask
you
this.
J
Madam
mayor
council,
member
clay,
we
will
come
and
present
at
any
time,
so
yes,
that
that
opportunity
is
open
to
any
jurisdiction
that
would
like
it,
like
we
said,
may
is
sort
of
our
our
season
of
engagement
and
outreach,
and
any
time
we
don't
wait,
we
don't
have
to
wait
till
may
to
have
those
conversations
so
we're
happy
to
to
have
those
conversations
at
any
time.
J
We
are
prepared
to
bring
those
ideas
to
the
public
and
have
been
working
with
all
of
our
partners
around
the
region
to
talk
about
how
to
make
these
connections
work
better,
how
to
make
the
services
work
more
efficient,
so
those
are
ideas
that
are
going
to
be
presented
in
may,
but
we're
happy
to
come
and
present
to
the
council
at
any
time.
Thank
you
appreciate
that.
P
J
Madam
mayor
councilmember
willis,
so
we
have
made,
I
think,
a
lot
of
progress
over
the
last
few
years
on
balancing
the
contributions.
J
J
So
at
this
point
the
city
of
boise
is
paying
their
fair
share
of
the
services
that
are
provided
here.
We
have
seen
an
increase
in
the
amount
of
funding
that
that
meridian
has
budgeted
where,
for
many
years
it
was
around
2
300
000.
It's
now
doubled
around
650
to
700
000
a
year.
We
had
to
suspend
or
delay
the
start
of
their
new
service
they're
going
to
have
a
route.
J
J
One
of
the
things
valley,
regional
transit
did
this
last
year
is
a
revenue
analysis,
and
one
of
the
proposals
in
that
that
we
will
continue
to
move
forward
is
the
idea
of
having
a
more
standard
percentage
of
and
more
predictable
amount
of
funding.
So
vrt
can
do
the
five-year
plan
with
a
much
better
understanding
of
what
we
have
available.
P
Might
may
or
may
have
one
more,
so
I
want
you
to
think
of
big
picture
thinking
I'll
call
this
a
santa
claus
question.
You
know
you
I've
heard
here.
I
hear
in
other
places
that
people
like
the
idea
of
public
transit,
but
when
it
comes
to
using
it,
it
can
be
really
difficult
for
all
the
reasons
that
we've
heard,
both
in
public
testimony
and
anecdotally.
P
J
Madame
mayor
councilmember,
well,
it's
this
is
not
really
even
a
santa
claus
thing.
It's
there's
a
number.
We
know
what
it
is
it's
about:
48
million
a
year
and
we
spend
as
a
region
almost
that
much
in
school
bus
transportation.
So
it's
not
like
we,
we
don't.
We
aren't
willing
to
fund
transportation
that
taxpayers
aren't
willing
to
fund
it.
We
do
we
already
do
in
in
many
ways.
So
it's
it
is
about
48
million
a
year
that
would
give
us
four
times
more
service.
J
It
would
provide
for
better
productivity,
more
options
for
people
so
that
that
that
idea
of
freedom
to
move
really
does
mean
something.
For
me,
I
use
the
the
nine
bus
to
come
downtown.
I
rarely
drive
downtown
if
I
can
get
away
with
it.
I
have
to
park
and
ride
to
a
location
and
I'm
able
to
get
on
that
bus
with
a
15-minute
frequency.
I
don't
even
really
have
to
think
about
it
in
the
morning.
It's
not
a
matter
of
oh.
J
Am
I
going
to
be
able
to
make
that
happen
because
of
that
frequency
I
can
make
that
happen.
Regions
that
are
investing
at
that
level
are
getting
about
800
times
more
right
riders
than
we
are
here
so
anywhere
from
10
to
12
million.
So
it
really
isn't
a
magic
number.
It's
just
a
it's
just
takes
funding
to
do
it
and.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
kelly.
So
this
is
the
five
year
plan.
As
we've
learned
over
recent
months,
there's
going
to
be
a
big
employer
coming
to
the
area.
Does
that
figure
in
to
your
planning
as
well,
and
perhaps
getting
financial
support
from
large
employers
like
meta.
J
Yeah,
madam
mayor
councilmember
sanchez-
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
is
also
coming
out
of
the
revenue
analysis.
Is
this
idea
of
finding
sponsors
and
partners
and
working
more
closely
with
with
large
employers
and
really
with
what
we're
doing
under
citigo
is
really
working
with
all
employers,
large
and
small?
It's
it's
not
just
for
large
employers.
It's
not
it
really.
Is
everybody
having
access
to
transit
and
making
it
really
easy
through
past
programs?
J
We
also
are
so.
I
think
there
are
opportunities
for
us
to
even
expand
that
more,
and
we
certainly
want
to
be
able
to
do
that.
The
reason
the
transportation
development
plan
is
so
important
for
us
and
the
reason
that
we
need
to
learn
and
do
more
than
one
thing
at
a
time
is:
we
have
to
be
able
to
have
much
broader
conversations
about
those
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
so
that
we
can
help
people
figure
out.
Where
can
you
plug
into
this
work?.
K
Manager,
well,
first,
council:
member,
will
it's
kind
of
asked
my
question
already.
You
did
a
really
good
job
of
answering
it
so
that
one
kind
of
went
off
the
plate
but
to
expand
on
a
little
bit
further.
You
said
that
some
of
our
neighboring
municipalities
are
meeting
the
funding
for
the
level
of
service.
That's
being
provided,
and
I
guess
I'm
just
you
know
the
next.
I
guess
potential
step
is
that
they
were
providing
more
funding.
Then
that
could
provide
additional
services
in
that
area.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
J
Madam
mayor
council
member,
that
is
exactly
how
that
would
work.
We
are.
We
are
a
lot
more
engaged
in
those
communities,
especially
in
canyon,
county
and
looking
at
one
of
the
things
that
the
kenyon
county
or
napa
city
staff
asks.
How
do
you
make
so
much
progress
in
boise?
J
Since
that
time
we
have
a
strategic
group
that
meets
very
regularly
we're
now
in
working
with
cwi,
napa
and
caldwell
on
solutions
that
would
work
were
part
of
their
advisory
committee.
That's
working
on
their
transportation
system,
they're,
looking
at
their
their
road
dollars
and
thinking
about
ways
that
they
can
optimize
and
leverage
those
with
some
of
the
transit
funding.
That's
available.
So
I
I
often
remind
people
that
I've
been
doing
this
long
enough
in
28
years.
J
I
remember
when
I
would
come
to
the
city
council
meetings
in
boise
and
the
question
was:
why
are
we
funding
empty
buses?
We
need
public
safety,
we
need
libraries,
we
need
all
these
things.
Why
are
we
funding
buses?
It's
an
evolution
and
we
are
I'm
watching
that
same
evolution
in
canyon
county,
I'm
washing
that
same
evolution
in
meridian,
and
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
time
as
and
and
patience
as
we
work
through.
That.
K
And
madam
mayor
just
quick
follow-up
kelly
again
wonderful
answer,
since
it
was
brought
up
earlier
in
tonight's
meeting,
and
I
also
got
some
public
testimony
about
it
in
questions
of,
we
wish
that
our
bus
route
would
extend
further
down
state
street
or
more
towards
eagle.
I
guess
the
question
would
be
if
we,
if
there
was
more
funding,
support
from
eagles
municipality,
it
would
make
it
easier
for
us
to
extend
those
routes
further
in
the
future.
J
Yeah,
madam
mayor
council,
member
halliburton,
what
we're
we
are
actually
working
on
with
directly
with
eagle
to
think
about
how
they
would
like
to
invest
their
contributions,
and
some
of
those
things
we
are
looking
at
also
include
other
ways
of
connecting
people
to
the
transit
so
bringing
people
to
similar.
To
what
I
do.
I
go
to
the
park
and
ride
in
boise,
maybe
there's
ways
we
can
use
micro,
mobility
or
other
on-demand
options
and
some
of
the
resources
that
we're
able
to
develop
in
eagle.
So
sometimes
it's
not
always
one
thing.
J
That's
the
solution.
It's
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
put
things
together.
Harvest
transit
is
a
great
example
in
meridian,
where
we
weren't
getting
a
lot
of
attention
about
transit,
we
started
harvest
transit
through
a
community
effort
and
harvest
transit
has
led
to.
I
think,
the
an
understanding
that
we
need
to
invest
more
in
in
public
transportation,
which
we're
seeing
that
happen
in
meridian.
R
A
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
nobody
else
all
right
and
there's
probably
no
additional
staff
follow-up.
So
there's
no
action
on
this
one
at
this
point,
but
with
that
I'm
going
to
close
public
hearing,
thank
you
all
for
I'm
coming
either
online
or
here
in
person
to
testify
and
valley
regional
transit.
Thank
you
for
your
partnership.
D
Oh
yes,
can
I
just
add
one
comment.
I
really
appreciate
everyone
coming
out
and
sharing
your
stories
of
being
a
being
a
public
transit
writer.
Everyone
feels
really
strongly
about
this
and
we
want
a
better
system
too.
I
would
encourage
you
to
also
reach
out
to
your
legislators
and
let
them
know
how
you
feel
about
public
transit
and
let
them
know
how
you
feel
about
our
state
having
a
dedicated
funding
source
for
public
transit.
D
A
A
Earl
henrichs,
but
I
also
see
estee,
are
you
here
for
the
neighborhood
association?
You
are
not
okay,
all
right
well
with
that.
Has
anybody
nobody
signed
up
on
the
sheet.
Is
anybody
here
to
speak
on
this
one,
all
right,
anybody
online
okay,
nobody's
online
with
that
we'll
move
right
into
this
one.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
This
should
be
pretty
quick.
W
Members
of
the
council,
this
item
before
you
is
a
rezone
of
approximately
one
acre
from
r1a
single-family
residential
at
2.1
units
per
acre
to
r1bda
single-family
residential
with
development
agreement
at
4.8
units
per
acre.
The
property
is
located
between
vincent
street
and
three
mile
creek
road.
It
currently
has
one
single
family
residence
and
the
surrounding
area
is
zoned
r1a
to
the
north
and
south
a1
to
the
east
and
r1bda
to
the
west
across
vanello
street.
W
W
The
applicant
requests
r1
bda
zoning
in
order
to
split
the
property
into
four
lots
for
additional
single
family
homes.
As
detailed
in
the
project
report,
the
planning
team
and
the
zoning
planning
and
zoning
commission
finds
the
r1bda
zone
to
be
most
appropriate
for
the
property
based
on
the
allowed
zones
of
the
suburban
land
use
surrounding
area,
b1
airport
influence
area
and
proposed
development
in
order
to
comply
with
the
b1
airport
influence
overlay.
W
A
E
Mayor
just
just
to
make
sure,
as
I
was
reading
through
the
packet,
I
have
answers
to
some
of
the
questions.
There
was
some
comment
about
the
bridal
path
and
that
somehow
this
development
would
interfere
with
it,
but,
as
I
understood
from
some
previous
applications,
the
bridal
path
does
not
go
across
this
property.
Is
that
correct.
W
A
A
Okay,
mr
hatch,
we
if
you
would
like
to
say
anything
you're
welcome
to
we've
got
nobody
here.
I'm
ready
to
testify
and
council
has
no
questions.
X
We
are
in
support
of
the
the
staff
report
and
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
I
I'll
stand
for
questions,
but
otherwise
I
think
planning
zoning
did
a
great
job,
providing
feedback
and
crystal's
done
a
fantastic
job
as
well.
So.
A
E
I
move
approval
of
car
21-33
hatch,
design
architecture,
824
south
fennell
way,
re-zone
of
approximately
one
acre
from
r1a
to
r1b,
with
a
development
agreement.
D
A
Still
annie
back
there,
wonderful
and
I
can't
remember,
is
it
delaney
or
delany
delaney
delaney,
okay,
great,
so
we've
got
delaney
garlic
for
the
city,
alex
drexel,
rockshield
and
deborah
nelson
for
the
applicant
okay,
estee
friends
for
this
one,
the
neighborhood
association,
so
we'll
go
in
that
order.
I
have
three
people
that
signed
up
in
advance
from
the
public
tom
and
kathy
coops
and
then
david
king.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
take
those
three
folks
first
and
then
I'll
see
who
else
is
in
the
room
and
as
well
as
who
else
is
online.
So
if,
if
you're
online,
I
haven't
called
you,
don't
worry,
the
clerk
will
get
through
and
and
call
you
as
well,
and
I've
got
this
list.
If
you
signed
up
to
testify
and
with
that
go
ahead.
Y
Delaney.
Thank
you
good
evening.
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
before
you
tonight
is
a
request
for
a
rezone.
The
project
site
is
approximately
15
acres
located
at
8373
west
victory
road
at
the
intersection
of
victory,
road
and
south
turbuco
avenue,
and
bordered
along
the
eastern
property
line
is
south
milwaukee
lane
uses
to
the
east
and
south
include
boise,
independent
school
district
office,
high
school
and
junior
high
school
to
the
north
across
west
victory.
Y
Road
is
a
mix
of
uses
including
single
family,
residential
outdoor
storage,
commercial
and
industrial
west
of
trabuco
avenue
is
a
park
crest
subdivision,
which
is
comprised
of
detached
and
attached
residential
homes
located
within
ada
county.
The
site
is
currently
vacant
and
was
recently
annexed
into
the
city
with
a
land
use
designation
of
mixed
use.
Y
The
mixed
use
designation
is
intended
to
promote
a
more
compact,
pedestrian
and
transit-oriented
pattern
of
development.
The
site
is
currently
zoned
a1
and,
due
to
this
location,
a
higher
density
than
what
is
currently
allowed
in
the
a1
would
be
supported
by
blueprint
boise.
The
pro
the
proposed
zoning
of
r3
allows
for
up
to
43.5
units
per
acre.
However,
the
proposed
project
is
for
301
multi-family
units
for
a
total
density
of
20
units
per
acre,
which
is
also
included
in
the
development
agreement
to
for
a
maximum
unit
count
of
320.
Y
Y
This
site
is
specifically
well
served
by
transit
options
with
the
valley
regional
transit
route.
28
run
running
adjacent
to
the
site.
A
bus
stop
to
the
eastern
boundary
along
milwaukee
lane
is
existing.
A
condition
of
approval
does
require
that
the
development
provide
a
permanent,
sheltered
stop
here.
Y
Y
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
unanimously
approved
the
associated
pud
and
recommended
approval
of
the
rezone
and
the
da.
An
amendment
to
the
conditions
of
approval
was
made
at
planning
and
zoning,
which
replaced
the
proposed
detached
sidewalk
along
trabuco
avenue,
with
a
detached
transportation
side
path
that
would
allow
for
multi-modal
use,
including
pedestrian
and
bicycles.
Y
See
there
are
two
access
points
to
the
project
site,
one
from
tribuco
avenue
and
one
from
milwaukee
lane.
Direct
access
off
of
victory
road
is
prohibited
with
the
project.
The
internal
driveways
pathways
do
provide
significant
connectivity
and
integration
to
the
surrounding
properties,
including
to
the
schools
to
the
south.
Y
We
have
received
updated
achd
comment
letter
that
indicated
observations
of
insufficient
storage
of
a
dedicated
northbound
left
turn
lane.
As
a
result,
achd
did
condition
and
recommend
widening
of
trabuco
avenue
to
three
lanes
from
victory
road
to
the
site.
Access
point.
Public
comments
were
also
received
both
during
the
review
period
and
as
late
correspondence.
K
K
Y
Madam
mayor
council,
member
to
clarify,
I
believe,
it's
the
the
northbound
turning
onto
victory.
Road
was
the
concern,
so
the
widening
of
tropucco
would
provide
additional
stacking
for
those
folks
using
tribucco
avenue
to
access
school.
Specifically
during
the
am
peak
hours.
Y
Madam
mayor
council
member,
I
believe
that
is
the
intent
of
the
widening.
P
Y
Yeah,
madame
mayor
council
member,
well,
it's
I
think,
that's
kind
of
up
to
interpretation.
I
think
in
this
scenario
you
know
we
are
looking
at
a
rezone
to
an
r3
zone
which,
ultimately,
in
that
zone
district,
would
allow
up
to
43.5
units
per
acre
at
that
density.
That
would
be
considered
high
density.
With
the
proposal
in
front
of
us.
We
are
looking
at
half
of
that
density,
so
we're
closer
to
20
units
per
acre
again
still
a
lot
more
dense
than
what
you
know
is.
Currently
there
it's
a
vacant.
Y
We
have
some
nearby
surrounding
subdivisions.
Those
are
a
lot
closer
to
maybe
eight
to
ten
units
per
acre.
So
I
think
in
perspective,
if
you're
looking
at
the
surrounding
area,
it
is
denser
than
what
current
residential
is.
However,
it's
kind
of
meeting
in
the
middle
as
a
transition
from
those
existing
residents
to
the
commercial
industrial
and
school
uses
so.
P
The
textbook
might
be
medium
density,
I
mean,
if
we're
playing
goldilocks
here.
Yes,
okay,
I
would.
I
would
agree
with
that.
Okay
and
then
help
me
understand
the
process
here.
So
pnc
has
approved
this.
If
we
want
to
deny
this
what
legal,
what
are
the
legal
requirements
that
we
have
to
have,
because
I
know
it's
different
right.
F
E
Thank
you,
so
I'll
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
that.
As
I
understand
it,
the
pud
was
not
appealed.
Is
that.
E
So
here's
a
question
I
have
if
we
were
to
approve
the
rezone
tonight,
because
it
has
a
development
agreement
that
ties
it
to
that
pud
and
we
had
some
concerns
about
the
design
of
that
pud.
For
instance,
some
of
the
access
points
there's
very
little
cross
access
for
even
pedestrians.
Y
Yeah,
madam
mayor
councilmember,
clay
specifically
to
those
design
items
that
you're
discussing,
we
are
still
open
for
design
reviews,
so
I
believe
a
lot
of
those
can
be
kind
of
addressed
during
our
design
review,
which
will
be
in
front
of
the
committee.
The
da
is
open
for
modifications
at
this
point
in
time,
so
anything
that
gets
modified
tonight
would
be
the
final
say.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
in
terms
of
the
number
of
units
that
is
being
suggested,
as
you
noted
at
the
opening
it's
much
lower
than
what
this
zone
would
allow
without
the
development
agreement
by
more
than
half.
Is
that
correct.
H
E
Then
finally,
the
pud
as
modified
concentrates
the
majority
of
the
highest
density
products
on
the
we've
got
to
get
this
right
now.
North
east
corner
of
the
property,
which
is
the
furthest
away
from
any
single
family
development,
is
that's.
A
Z
Madam
mayor
council
members
good
evening
alex
drexel
33
for
sequoia
development
director
for
lane
construction
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
application
for
8373
west
victory
road.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
our
exciting
project
here
tonight.
Again,
I
want
to
thank
delaney
with
the
city
of
boise
and
the
staff
for
their
hard
work
and
quick
responsiveness
throughout
the
duration,
this
application
process.
Z
Before
we
get
into
the
details
of
the
application
I
hand
it
over
to
my
trusted
colleague
deb
nelson.
I
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
introduce
myself
and
the
team
behind
this
development.
We
are
working
on
behalf
of
the
owner
welter
inc
to
identify
and
deliver
what
we
call
wellness
housing
across
the
greater
treasure
valley.
Layton
has
had
a
presence
in
the
boise
area
since
the
early
1990s
and
many
of
our
employees
were
born
and
raised
here
locally.
Z
This
specific
development
will
likely
be
the
first
wellness
housing
project
we
deliver
in
the
market
and
brings
a
differentiated
for
rent
housing
options
to
boise
residents
in
a
community
that
is
in
desperate
need
of
housing
diversity.
In
the
midst
of
a
challenging
housing
market,
we
will
soon
identify
some
of
the
specific
factors
of
the
project,
but
in
general
this
will
be
a
highly
amenitized
community,
emphasizing
walkability
social
interaction
and
overall
wellness
of
our
residents
well
tower.
The
owner
is
a
national
leader
in
health
and
wellness
base
and
a
long-term
holder
in
all
their
assets.
Z
Z
AA
Mayor
members
of
the
council,
deborah
nelson
601
west
bank
street,
we're
in
full
agreement
with
the
project
report
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
recommended
approval
to
you
this
evening.
As
was
mentioned,
they
also
approved
the
pud
for
the
multi-family
residential
community
and
tonight
we're
here
to
ask
your
approval
of
the
rezone
on
a
the
15-acre
site,
along
victory
from
the
holding
zone
where
it
currently
is
at
eight
one,
two
r
three.
AA
If
we
could
skip
just
two
slides,
we'll
go
on
to
the
site
plan.
Thank
you.
So
we'll
just
start
with
a
brief
overview
of
the
development,
then
we'll
focus
on
the
rezone
and
the
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
development
team
has
taken
a
place,
making
approach
to
design
with
a
focus
on
wellness,
as
alex
mentioned,
with
walkability
healthy,
fit
lifestyle
and
sociability
designed
into
the
site.
Primary
amenities
are
centrally
located,
including
a
clubhouse,
a
large
25
meter
pool
a
dog
park
and
large
landscaped
lawn
areas.
AA
The
clubhouse
includes
indoor
and
outdoor
fitness
areas,
a
lounge
and
work
and
event
space.
The
site
is
organized
in
a
residential
block
design
internally,
with
connecting
sidewalks
and
pathways
to
create
easy
access
to
the
clubhouse
to
the
bus,
stop
and
adjacent
schools.
Creating
a
walking
loop
around
the
perimeter.
Surface
parking
is
minimized.
Internal
trees
provide
shade
and
attractive
streetscapes.
AA
The
buildings
will
include
a
mix
of
studio,
one
two
and
three
bedroom
residences
in
a
variety
of
building
types,
larger
three-story
apartment
buildings
with
tuck
under
parking
are
oriented
on
the
northeast
corner
and
along
victory
away
from
the
single-family
residential
on
the
west.
A
variety
of
two
and
three-story
town
homes,
townhome
style,
multi-family
buildings,
fill
the
rest
of
the
community
two-story
four-plex
town
homes
line
the
perimeter
and
are
centrally
located
around
the
clubhouse,
while
the
back-to-back
three-story
8-12
flex.
Townhomes
are
central
next
slide.
AA
Please
here
you
can
see
the
building
heights
arranged
with
two-story
buildings
along
the
west,
providing
that
transition
along
the
perimeter
next
slide,
please.
So
the
city's
already
determined
that
r3
is
an
appropriate
zone
for
this
site
when
you
designated
the
property
mixed
use
on
the
feature
land
use
map
in
the
comp
plan.
R3
is
one
of
the
allowed
zones
within
this
designation.
AA
A
primary
purpose
of
the
zone
is
to
accommodate
higher
density
residential
development
and
it
allows
for
quality.
Walkable
compact
development
r3
provides
a
much
needed
housing
type
for
this
area,
providing
a
nice
transition
between
the
existing
and
the
planned
uses
based
in
and
that's
consistent
with.
What's
called
for
in
the
comp
plan
as
well,
it
also
complements
the
non-residential
uses
that
are
in
the
area.
AA
We've
received
some
comment:
letters
from
members
of
the
public
saying
that
there
should
be
an
additional
commercial
use
on
this
site,
but
we
want
to
address
that
and
explain
why
this
is
actually
appropriate
for
higher
density
residential.
Only
first
of
all,
there's
no
access
on
victory
and
so
commercial
would
not
be
viable.
It
would
also
decrease
the
needed
housing.
You
lose
the
opportunity
for
that
needed
housing
type
in
this
area.
AA
There
is
already
many
non-residential
zones
and
uses
to
the
north
and
west
and
south
of
the
site,
so
this
site
isn't
needed
to
create
that
mixed
use
element
in
in
the
r3
zone,
which
is
one
of
the
zones
that
the
city
has
designated,
is
appropriate
for
mixed
use.
Most
commercial
uses
are
not
allowed,
and
so
you've
already
contemplated
and
that's
true
of
the
other
residential
zones
that
are
listed
there
too,
so
you've
already
con
contemplated
that
there
could
be
wholly
residential,
not
only
mixed-use
zoning
allowed
here.
AA
Your
plan
specifically
calls
for
locating
higher
density
residential
within
a
quarter
mile
of
transit.
This
site
is
adjacent
to
transit
with
route
28.
Circling
the
site
victory
flats
will
provide
that
needed
housing
along
victory,
road,
the
victory
road
transit
corridor
in
this
rapidly
area,
growing
up
growing
area
of
boise,
and
also
provide
some
connectivity
to
commercial
areas
that
are
nearby
at
cole,
road
and
I-84
next
slide.
Please
also
on
the
transit
note,
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
goal
to
improve
access
to
existing
transit
facilities.
AA
AA
AA
The
sites
also
has
pro
great
proximity
to
schools.
Maple
grove
elementary
is
just
a
half
mile
away
with
access
all
along
sidewalks
with
signals
at
the
intersections
adjacent
to
the
site.
We've
got
the
technical
school
and
junior
high,
providing
a
short
walking
access
next
slide.
Please
looking
to
road
improvements,
achd
has
reviewed
and
approved
the
traffic
impact
study
for
the
development
to
mitigate
traffic
impacts.
AA
Achd
is
requiring
the
development
to
widen
tribuco
avenue
to
three
lanes.
This
will
provide
that
dedicated
turn
lane
into
the
developments.
Access
driveway
on
trabuco
it'll
also
alleviate
the
concerns
that
council
member
halliburton
mentioned
and
were
addressed
by
staff
to
help
alleviate
the
stacking
that
was
going
on
with
that
left
turn
lane
northbound
on
to
victory.
AA
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
also
requested
that
the
developer
construct
that
10-foot
multi-use
pathway
along
our
western
border
that
I
mentioned
to
provide
safe
pedestrian
and
bike
connectivity
to
the
schools
to
the
south
next
slide.
Please,
the
project
has
two
access
locations.
The
primary
access
is
on
the
west
on
tribuco.
The
second
access
is
on
the
east.
On
milwaukee,
where
boise
school
district
has
agreed,
the
project
may
access
the
site
from
their
private
lane.
The
fire
department
has
confirmed
that
these
access
points
are
acceptable.
AA
E
Thank
you.
So
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Maybe
we
could
put
the
site
map
back
up
if
possible.
That
would
be
helpful
for
me
thanks.
So
question
number
one,
as
I
saw
your
original.
E
Concept
had
a
couple
of
additional
access
points
onto
milwaukee,
I
believe
not,
but
not
an
additional
one
on
trabuco,
wonder
what
the
thought
process
is
of
concentrating
all
of
the
access
in
one
point
on
one
side
or
the
other,
rather
than
having
some
disbursement
of
that
access.
AA
Okay,
vehicular
access,
so
we
have
east
and
west.
There
is
one
access
point
that's
allowed
for
each
we
did
have
to
relocate
on
one
access
point
allowed
by
achd
one
and
one
access
that's
been
proposed
as
well.
Okay,.
E
Y
Madam
mayor,
commission,
council
member
clay
staff's
point
of
view
at
this
point
was
really
to
be
restrictive
off
that
victory
road,
and
we
saw
that
having
the
two
access
points
both
on
the
east
and
west,
provided
for
more
distribution
throughout
the
whole
site,
so
we
felt
it
it
met.
The
needs
of
you
know:
access
on
both
sides.
AA
President,
I
might
be
able
to
offer
a
little
more
insight
as
well.
Achd
did
have
a
spacing
requirement
south
of
victory.
We
had
to
get
at
least
275
feet
away
on
the
west
side
of
tribuco.
There
are
two
driveways
that
go
in
and
access
a
small
portion
of
the
residential
development
to
our
west.
They
required
us
to
relocate
our
access
further
south
to
align
with
the
driveway
on
the
west,
so
we
couldn't
go
further
north
for
that
spacing
and
they
wanted
us
to
align
with
the
driveway
on
the
west.
E
You
answered
my
question:
I
think
it's
horrible
urban
design,
but
there
you
go
so.
My
second
question
is
this:
is
a
site
full
of
service
drives
and
very
little
else?
Why
did
you
choose
to
do
that?
Why
do
you
have
a
drive
around
every
single
building,
rather
than
some
green
space
in
between
some
of
those.
AA
Madam
mayor
council
member
clegg-
so
I
think
there's
a
few
reasons
for
that:
primarily
fire
to
provide
good
fire
access
and
because
they
certainly
like
to
have
aerial
access
and
and
driving
access
in
front
of
the
buildings.
AA
Also,
the
design
was
very
purposeful
to
create
that
residential
block
feel
and
with
the
detached
sidewalks
throughout.
It
is
set
up
to
be
to
feel
more
urban.
Really
the
the
parking
is
is
very
minimized.
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
surface
parking,
that's
creating
a
lot
of
that's
taking
up
a
lot
of
space.
It's
it's
distributed.
You've
got
the
tuck
under
garages
that
help
provide
that,
and
so
I,
the
the
design
here,
is
broken
up
into
that
kind
of
urban
like
grid
very
purposefully.
AA
The
internal
trees
as
well,
I
think,
are
going
to
help
that
streetscape
feel
so
it
does
feel
walkable.
You
know
we
feel
that
people
will
be
able
to
get
from
their
home
in
any
location,
get
to
the
central
clubhouse
along
these
street.
These
tree-lined
streetscapes
safely
and
comfortably
okay.
E
AA
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay,
so
just
to
orient
everybody
north
is
to
our
to
the
left
side
of
this.
It's
tipped,
so
the
east
direction
does
have
a
number
of
pathways
that
extend
out
so
the
red
and
the
blue
line.
The
light
blue
lines
all
extend
out
to
the
east,
so
there's
one
two:
three
four:
five:
six
connections
out
to
the
east
and
then
a
detached
sidewalk
that
we
have
to
construct.
We
have
to
take
out
an
attached
sidewalk
and
turn
that
into
a
detached
sidewalk
all
along
milwaukee
there.
AA
So
it
does
funnel
at
multiple
locations
out
of
the
east
side,
similar
to
the
west
side
on
the
south.
This
is
future
plans
for
boise
school
district
to
we
don't
have
a
road
adjacent
to
us
to
the
south,
and
you
know
we
don't
know
exactly
what
they're
going
to
do
on
that
property.
It
very
well
may
be
a
staging
area
for
their
transportation
and
buses,
and
so
it
may
not
be
a
pedestrian,
but
either
way
we
have
accommodated
that
through
both
sides
of
our
property
going
south.
AA
AA
E
Then,
as
to
my
comment
on
the
east
side,
I
wasn't
talking
to
fully
side.
I
was
talking
the
interior
one,
there's
there's
no
connection
from
that.
E
Second
larger
building
next
to
the
the
clubhouse
and
the
parking
and
all
of
that
across
that
park
that
parked
area
to
the
corner
to
get
out
onto
milwaukee,
and
so,
as
you
go
through
design
review,
that's
another
thing
I
would
be
looking
for
is
a
clear
walkway
between
those
two
points.
AA
I
think
we
could
accommodate
some
some
striping
marked
crosswalks,
similar
to
what
was
designated
further
south
of
there
to
create
that
connection.
I
see.
F
AA
K
Quick
easy
question
the
lot
to
the
south
is
that
part
of
the
same
lot
like
when
I
look
at
the
map.
It
doesn't
look
like
it's
a
separate
lot
to
like
between
that
lot
between
salt
creek
and
the
development.
AA
K
Right
great,
that
was
the
quick,
easy
one.
So
the
second
one
really
goes
back
to
traffic
in
the
achd
study
and
we
we
got
a
fair
amount
of
public
comment
about
this
over
email
and
the
concerns
that
they're
talking
a
lot
about
is
the
the
f
rating
that
victory
road
has
for
a
level
of
service
and
the
amount
of
additional
trips
per
day,
and
I'm
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
I
ask
you
that
question
ahead
of
some
of
the
public
testimony
to
see
if
you
had
an
answer
to
that
concern.
AA
Madam
mayor
council,
member
hallie
burton
yes
victory.
Road
currently
does
not
meet
the
planning
level
of
services
that
achd
has
set
for
that
size
of
roadway
for
a
four
or
five
minor
arterial,
but
it
is
already
it
is
planned
for
widening
20
36
to
40
in
the
cip,
but
even
sooner
than
that,
it's
already
in
the
five
year
work
plan
for
design
in
2025.
So
it
seems
like
that.
AA
Will
the
the
actual
construction
does
appear
to
be
expedited,
but
that
we
just
know
what's
in
the
plans
right
now,
so
it
is
planned
to
be
widened
to
five
lanes
to
address
that
deficiency.
This
project
doesn't
have
any
mitigation
requirement
on
that
consistent
with
achds
policies,
but
it
is
in
the
plans
to
be
widened.
K
K
I
do
share
some
concerns
that,
like
yes,
there's
minimized
on-street
parking,
but
there
is
a
whole
heck
of
a
lot
of
blacktop
on
the
plan
and
cars
driving
around
every
single
corner
around
every
single
loop,
and
so
you
know,
while
this
isn't
really
part
of
the
rezone,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
extremely
pedestrian
friendly
on
the
internal,
because
any
which
way
you
go
you're
crossing
a
street
or
blacktop
space
instead
of
green
space.
And
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
same
concern
that
council
president
clay
was
voicing.
K
AA
AA
A
E
Wide
radius
corners
at
all
of
the
corner
that
in
a
very
low
speed,
low
volume
network,
you
would
have
very
narrow,
curb
radius
on
those
corners
and,
as
I'm
looking
at
those
those
are
really
wide.
Is
it
is
there
a
reason?
That's
a
very
suburban
feel.
AA
Madam
mayor
council,
member
clegg,
yes,
there
is
a
reason:
it's
boise
fire
department's
request
to
have
the
right
turning
radiuses
in
there
and
so
the
the
last
slide.
AA
A
The
applicant
thank
you,
we're
gonna,
take
a
break,
and
then
we
will
hear
from
the
neighborhood
association.
AB
AB
My
presentation
will
begin
with
the
surrounding
land
use.
Then
we
will
discuss
the
negative
implications
of
the
traffic
study
and
why
a
rezoned
to
r3
does
not
make
sense.
Then.
Finally,
we
will
show
the
fire
code
violations
that
make
this
development
impossible
for
this
location
next,
so
we
will
start
with
the
surrounding
land
use.
The
property
lies
to
the
south
of
victory.
Road
between
maple
grove
and
coal
to
the
west
lies
the
park.
Crest
subdivision
to
the
south
lies
west
junior
high,
with
a
current
count
of
819
students
and
frank
church.
AB
High
school,
with
a
capacity
of
500.
Students
to
the
east
lies
dennis
technical
center,
which
provides
rotc
and
much
needed
technical
training
for
four
area:
high
schools,
borah
boise
capital
and
timberline
high.
They
bus
students
back
and
forth
throughout
the
day
also
to
the
east,
the
boise
school
district
admin
building.
AB
The
roadway
into
the
property
is
from
tribuco
avenue
to
the
west.
Next
I
want
to
give
you
a
quick
history
on
west
junior
high
west
junior
high
used
to
be
located
at
711
north
curtis
road,
which
is
located
kitty
corner
from
st
house
hospital
and
right
next
to
the
large
white
bulk
fuels,
tanks
that
you
see
along
curtis
and
emerald
at
some
point
in
the
1980s
or
1990s,
it
became
apparent
that
these
bulk
fuel
storage
tanks,
which
contain
gasoline
diesel
and
jet
fuels,
were
leaking.
AB
In
fact,
the
location
where
I
obtained
this
historical
photo
of
west
junior
high
includes
comments
from
its
former
students
who
talked
about
daily
headaches
from
the
intense
smell
of
gasoline.
It
took
several
years,
but
in
2006
a
bond
election
was
passed
with
overwhelming
public
support
to
relocate
west
junior
high.
So
now
it
sits
in
a
much
healthier
area.
Next,
I
want
to
show
you
briefly
why
the
zone
to
the
north
is
industrial,
so
you
have
a
big
picture,
comprehensive
understanding
of
this
location
and
then
go
straight
into
the
traffic
study.
AB
I've
placed
a
red
x
on
the
approximate
location
of
the
land
parcel,
and
you
will
see
that
across
the
street
lies
the
airport
influence
area
b1,
which
only
allows
industrial
development.
Airports
must
maintain
adequate
compatible
land
use
to
ensure
successful
operations,
and
the
pnz
commission
has
requested
the
appropriate
noise
mitigation
be
applied
to
this
development
to
ensure
proper
protocol
for
airport
influence
area
a
next.
AB
Now,
let's
move
on
to
the
traffic
study,
I'm
going
to
start
with
an
explanation
of
los,
which
means
level
of
service
loss
as
it
pertains
to
traffic,
is
defined
as
a
quantitative
stratification
of
performance
measures
representing
quality
of
service
or
how
will
a
transportation
facility
operates
from
a
traveler's
perspective?
The
grading
system
is
similar
to
grades
on
a
report
card,
but
contains
six
categories:
a
b,
c
d,
e
and
f
l,
o
s
f,
is
considered
breakdown
flow,
where
the
amount
of
traffic
exceeds
capacity,
defining
a
worst
worst-case
traffic
condition.
AB
Next,
a
chd's
review
of
the
traffic
study
as
it
relates
to
the
project,
clearly
indicated
problems.
The
first
thing
that
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
victory
road
under
current
existing
peak
hour
conditions
is
los
f
when
adding
in
the
project
with
an
additional
166
vehicle
trips
per
hour
and
1981
additional
vehicle
trips
per
day,
you
will
create
an
even
worse
los
f,
but
they
don't
show
less
than
f,
so
it
was
failing
before
and
it
will
be
even
worse
if
this
development
is
built.
AB
Achd
does
indicate
plans
to
expand
victory
road
to
five
lanes
here,
possibly
as
early
as
2025,
but
I
will
point
out
in
the
footnotes
to
the
table
that
the
five-lane
arterial
still
exceeds
the
acceptable
limits,
and
it
would
still
be
an
los
f
now.
Let's
look
at
tribuco
avenue,
which
is
signalized
intersection
along
the
western
side
of
the
property.
AB
This
roadway
is
the
main
entrance
and
exits
serving
the
existing
subdivision
and
also
four
school
district
buildings.
Existing
conditions
show
peak
hour.
Traffic
is
currently
acceptable
at
losd,
however,
for
existing
plus
the
pros
project,
it
becomes
los
e,
which
is
no
longer
acceptable
based
on
those
achd
footnotes,
even
if
they
expand
trebuco
avenue
to
three
lanes,
because,
as
you
see
in
the
footnotes,
this
would
still
exceed
the
acceptable
volume
limit
of
530
vehicles
per
hour
when
adding
existing
plus
project.
Next,
this
map
is
highlighting
the
existing
road
infrastructure
in
blue.
AB
You
will
see
that
the
subject
property
is
located
along
victory
road
and
is
only
accessible
from
victory:
road,
it's
not
accessible
from
the
west
or
the
east
or
the
south.
Next,
here
I'm
showing
the
collector
roads,
which
are
the
entrance
and
exit
to
the
subject
property
to
the
west.
You
will
see
the
signalized
intersection
at
victory
in
tribuco
to
the
east.
You
will
see
the
right
in
right
out
concrete
barrier
curbing
at
milwaukee
lane.
AB
The
reason
for
this
concrete
barrier
is
that,
due
to
the
volume
of
traffic
on
victory,
road
achd
determined
that
it
was
no
longer
safe
to
make
left
turns
from
the
property
and
to
not
disrupt
the
smooth
flow
of
traffic
from
the
east.
To
remove
left
turns
into
the
property.
In
addition,
achd
defines
milwaukee
lane
as
a
private
drive
and
not
a
public
road.
AB
AB
The
photo
on
the
right
is
where
I
parked
between
frank
church
and
the
tech
center,
and
I'm
looking
at
the
typical
morning,
traffic
along
tribuco,
all
the
way
down
to
victory.
That
travels
about
five
miles
per
hour.
Next
now
I
want
to
focus
on
the
international
fire
code.
Ifc
section
d106
defines
road
access
requirements
for
multi-family
residential
units,
so
then
d106.2
would
apply
which
says
that
projects
having
more
than
200
dwelling
units
shall
be
provided
with
two
separate
and
approved
fire
apparatus
access
roads,
regardless
of
whether
they
are
equipped
with
an
approved
automatic
sprinkler
system.
AB
AB
The
nearest
fire
station
is
station
17
located
at
margerio
park
along
coal.
Road
fire
trucks
would
travel
north
on
coal
to
the
intersection
at
victory,
which
we
can't
turn
left
onto
victoria
anymore,
but
the
fire
trucks
can
stop
traffic
at
the
intersection.
Ignore
the
no
left
turn
and
safely
proceed
through
traffic
during
an
emergency
as
they
approach
the
property.
There's
no
left
turn
from
victory
onto
milwaukee
lane,
due
to
concrete
curbing
in
the
middle
center
line
of
the
road
and
also
the
concrete
triangle
barrier
that
prevents
vehicles
from
that
direction.
AB
So
the
only
access
entrance
is
the
access
to
the
property
at
the
signalized
intersection
at
trabuco
avenue.
Next,
let's
look
at
the
intersection
at
milwaukee
lane.
This
intersection
includes
a
triangle-shaped
concrete
barrier
with
preventive,
elevated,
concrete
curving,
both
in
between
the
yellow
stripe
center
line
of
the
road
and
next
to
the
western
side
of
the
traffic
triangle.
AB
AB
AB
This
location
is
not
in
your
shopping
or
restaurant
areas
and
is
likely
to
contribute
to
worsening
traffic
in
the
area.
Next,
this
pud
conflicts
with
several
of
the
key
principles
of
blueprint.
Boise
contributing
traffic
will
worsen
air
pollution.
It
will
negatively
impact
the
existing
neighborhoods
and
schools
and
it
diminishes
safety.
A
less
dense
development
with
less
traffic
impact
on
traffic
in
this
area
should
be
considered.
AB
Using
emission
frac
emission
factors
from
the
mfac
model
used
to
predict
vehicle
emissions,
1981
vehicles
per
day
would
yield
410
pounds
per
day
of
carbon
dioxide
emissions.
Next,
I
truly
understand
that
our
city
needs
affordable
housing
and
high
density
development
is
one
possible
solution.
However,
I
don't
believe
that
this
design
is
appropriate
for
this
parcel
of
land
due
to
the
existing
losf
traffic
conditions
and
the
potential
for
even
worse
than
worst
case,
traffic
impacts,
creating
the
potential
for
traffic
slowdowns
and
idling,
which
create
air
pollution
and
greenhouse
gas
emissions
based
on
traffic
impacts.
AB
It
simply
does
not
make
sense
here,
but
based
on
fire
code.
I
don't
believe
it's
possible
to
place
this
development
in
a
location
with
a
partially
blocked
access
road.
Please
don't
rezone
this
parcel
to
r3,
because
this
area
can't
handle
additional
traffic
impacts,
and
please
understand
that
the
pued
seems
to
be
in
clear
violation
of
the
fire
codes.
We
need
to
consider
a
less
dense
residential
zoning
along
this
already
congested,
losf,
roadway
and
certainly
less
than
200
dwelling
units,
so
it
would
meet
fire
code
if
we
do
proceed
with
this,
in
violation
of
the
safety.
AB
AB
A
E
Madam
mayor,
yes,
could
I
just
point
out
that
the
planned
unit
development
was
approved
at
planning
and
zoning
and
was
not
appealed,
and
it's
not
before
us
tonight
what's
before
us
tonight
is
the
rezone.
AC
AC
You
want
me
to
repeat
my
name
is
kathy
coops.
I
live
at
8196,
thunder
mountain
drive
and
I'm
a
director
of
friends
of
mcgrudio
park.
Madam
mayor
members
of
city
council,
first
off,
let
me
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I
truly
hope
it
makes
a
difference,
but
based
on
my
experience
over
the
past
few
months,
I'm
pretty
sure
you
already
have
your
minds
made
up.
AC
Look
no
further
than
today's
memo
from
the
city
of
boise
planning
and
development
services
to
you
all
regarding
the
rezone
of
8373,
west
victory.
Road
under
conclusion
and
recommendation
reason
for
decision
quote.
The
associated
project
is
not
a
major
departure
from
what
could
be
expected
to
develop
within
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
is
consistent
with
the
long-term
vision
for
the
area,
and
this
scares
me
I
haven't
given
up,
though,
because
what
goes
on
in
the
southwest
affects
not
only
my
family
but
thousands
of
others.
AC
AC
There
are
times
you
can
barely
get
through
and
haven't
helped
you
if
you're
going
west
and
trying
to
serve
trying
to
turn
south
into
this
very
area,
and
I
certainly
would
not
want
my
child
walking
along
victory,
especially
elementary
age,
to
maple
grove.
Pardon
me,
it
is
just
a
major
safety
concern.
AC
AC
I
have
to
wonder
why
the
city
didn't
think
of
solutions
ahead
of
time,
instead
of
promoting
our
area
as
such
a
wonderful
place
to
live,
which
it
is,
but
what
you're
trying
to
take
away
from
us,
it's
kind
of
like
locking
the
barn
door
after
the
animals
are
out.
If
it's
housing,
you
want
to
provide
there's
thousands
of
acres
further
south
that
could
be
developed
into
housing,
and
you
could
build
plenty
of
infrastructure
out
there
to
handle
all
the
growth.
AC
A
K
Excuse
me
before
you
sit
down
this
question
for
you,
oh
sure,
so
you
just
asked
us
to
be
reasonable
with
the
zoning
and
I'm
curious
as
to
what
you
think
is
reasonable.
AC
To
think
about
the
effects
that
we've
talked
about
tonight
with
the
added
traffic
and
weigh
the
consequences
of
what
is
going
to
happen.
If
we
have
this
many
people
moving
into
that
area
with
the
added
traffic
pattern,
it
is
a
mess
out
there.
I
invite
you
to
come
out
any
morning
and
park
out
there
and
you'll
see
what
I'm
talking
about
yeah.
K
Amanda
mayor
just
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific,
I'm
actually
asking
so
there's
a
rezone
before
us
today
and
there's
multiple
different
zones
that
it
could
be
and
there's
multiple
different
densities
that
it
could
be,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
had
an
idea
of
what
you
thought
was
reasonable
for
the
amount
of
density
that
would
go
into
this
type
of
development.
AC
Well,
first
of
all,
for
me
it
would
be
the
development
altogether,
but
I'm
reasonable,
and
I
know
that's
not
going
to
happen,
so
I
would
just
ask
for
consideration
of
less
density.
I
don't
know
what's
appropriate,
but
I
would
like
to
see
some
other
numbers
considered,
and
I
have
an
engineer
that
is
on
on
this.
AC
AD
AD
I
guess
I've
told
you
everything
was
mandatory
right.
Okay,
this
is
personal.
AD
AD
Un
atypical
spot
out
there,
where
it
is
where
it's
proposed,
I
don't
think
it's
congruent
with
the
rest
of
the
area.
In
any
way,
it
will
be
a
burden
to
the
roads,
it'll
be
a
burden
to
the
environment.
AD
AD
AD
Particularly
in
the
southwest
area,
I
don't
notice
it
in
the
north
end.
I
don't
notice
it
in
east
boise,
but
apparently
somehow
southwest
boise
is
preferred
for
dense
development.
AD
A
AE
AE
Madam
mayor
and
council,
thank
you.
I'm
david
king
at
8172,
west
thunder
mountain
drive.
AE
Okay,
I'm
sorry
about
this.
Okay,
that's
what
you
get
when
you
get
two
computers
going:
okay,
I'm
sorry
david
king
8172,
west
thunder
mountain
drive,
boise,
and
I
am
president
of
friends
of
mccurdio
park
and
I
stand
in
opposition
to
this
project
because
I
think
it's
the
poster
child
for
the
failure
to
disclose
and
study
a
project
when
it
is
initially
up
for
discretionary
approval.
F
AE
An
agent
of
the
idaho
building
contractors
association,
the
process
you
follow
is
secretive
and
it's
destroying
boise
when
this
property
was
originally
annexed
into
the
city.
Last
year,
the
two
neighborhood
associations
called
attention
to
the
impact
of
groundwater
recharge,
which
doesn't
make
the
top
20
list
of
impacts
of
this
project.
This
is
a
gargantuan
high
density
project.
AE
It's
entirely
incompatible
with
the
surrounding
uses.
There
could
be
over
a
thousand
new
residents
into
a
corner
of
land
onto
failing
roadways
which
council
president
clegg
plainly
calls
horrible
planning,
there's
no
mass
transit,
there's
emphasis,
insufficient
infrastructure,
and
it's
a
fire
code
violation.
AE
AC
D
D
Some
of
the
allegations
that
you
had
were
very
serious
and
would
suggest
that
the
city
council
is
engaging
in
corrupt
procedure,
so
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
do
that
if
you
believe
it's
true
and.
F
S
Okay
good
evening,
madam
mayor
city,
council
members,
my
name
is
alexandria,
danilovic
and
I
live
at
85,
66
west
thunder
mountain
in
boise,
I'm
the
co-founder
and
board
member
of
friends
of
mcgrego
park.
I
attended
the
pnz
meeting
last
summer
that
originally
discussed
rezoning
this
partial
from
open
space
to
mixed
use.
At
the
time,
I
personally
asked
to
deny
the
request
due
to
the
convoluted
and
incestuous
nature
of
the
handling
of
the
application
and
procedures
of
it.
S
I
also
requested
that
we
see
some
sort
of
official
plan
from
the
developers
before
they
just
blindly
and
haphazardly
approve
such
a
request.
We
were
all
told
that
this
project
needed
to
be
rezoned
for
mixed
use,
because-
and
I
quote,
this
mixed-use
designation
is
intended
to
promote
a
more
compact,
pedestrian
and
transit-oriented
pattern
of
development.
Mixed-Use
is
typically
located
along
the
corridors
with
the
activity
centers.
I
think
I
lost
it.
Activity
centers
rapidly
served
by
transit
in
order
to
allow
for
a
mix
of
uses,
including
residential.
S
That
is
laughable
because
those
factors
do
not
apply
to
this
area.
The
infrastructure
just
does
not
exist
for
it.
We
were
told
that
this
would
be
a
wellness
development
with
a
few
businesses
to
be
included
in
that
15
acres
beyond
just
cramming
in
high
density
urban
housing
into
a
world
housing
area.
S
S
The
only
thing
that's
close
is
walmart,
and
that
is
a
seven
minute
drive
the
and,
where
pray
tell
the
residents
of
this
development
going
to
be
working
because
gas
stations,
dutch,
bros
and
idaho
pizza
company
is
about
the
only
thing
that
is
nearby
the
bus.
28
runs
only
monday
through
friday,
it
only
runs
from
7
a.m
until
6
p.m.
S
S
Lastly,
you
guys
we're
always
talking
about
high
density
housing,
but
we're
also
talking
about
low
income
housing
and
making
things
more
affordable.
How
in
the
world
is
this
going
to
be
more
affordable?
I
see
nothing
in
the
plans
that
states
that
it
will
be.
However,
I
do
see
that
there
are
expensive
requests,
such
as
electric
car
charging
stations,
and
I
don't
know
anybody
in
the
lower
income
bracket
that
owns
a
tesla.
S
With
all
that
being
said,
I
am
asking
that
you
respectfully
deny
this
new
r3
zoning
request,
make
the
developers
stick
to
a
mixed-use
zoning
to
create
something
that
will
be
beneficial
to
the
entire
area.
Please
do
your
part
to
create
and
encourage
responsible
growth
for
all
of
boise.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Q
Mayor
and
city
council,
I
don't
yes,
we
hire
yeah
and
I'll
try
to
stand
closer.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
anything
significantly
different
to
say
to
you
guys
than
what
you've
heard
before
my
concerns
are
the
density.
I
think,
for
this
area
with
the
access,
so
I
drive
her
frequently.
I
have
a
junior
higher
at
west
and
next
year,
she'll
be
joined
by
her
sister.
So
I
know
what
it's
like
to
sit
in
traffic
in
this
area
and
it
concerns
me
that
it's
just
we
don't
have
the
infrastructure
in
place.
Q
We
may
have
it
in
five
years,
with
victor
b
and
wyden,
but
we're
not
there
yet
so
to
put
this
here
now
in
a
spot
where
we
already
know
that
we
have
traffic
concerns,
just
exacerbates
it
and
I'm
concerned
by
that.
It
worries
me
a
little
bit
for
student
safety
having
that
much
additional
traffic
right
there
and
knowing
that
you
can
only
go
in
at
trebuco
I'll
have
scarily
enough
one
that
may
be
a
driver
next
year
and
I'm
not
sure
I'm
ready
for
that.
But
you
know
these
are
seventh.
Q
Eighth,
ninth
grader
drivers
that
are
going
in
and
out
of
here
in
addition
to
parents
and
buses,
and
then
we
have
this
much
additional
traffic
going
in.
I'm
not
sure
that
I
think
it's
a
safe
situation
or
a
great
situation
for
right
there.
I
think
it
could
support
housing
just
not
this
dense
of
housing
in
the
area.
So
those
are
my
concerns.
Thank
you.
P
Y
Yeah,
madam
mayor
council
member,
well,
it's
this
application
did
get
transmitted
to
several
different
agencies
and
departments,
including
fire
public
works.
Achd
part
of
this
project
did
require
a
tis,
so
the
traffic
impact
study
was
a
requirement
for
the
developer
to
produce
that
went
to
achd
for
their
formal
approval
comments
and
they
were
open
to
provide
any
mitigation.
Y
A
result
of
that
was
the
the
three-lane
widening
on
trabuco.
Fire
is
also
involved
in
the
process
during
the
review
they
provide.
Their
agency
comment
letters
oftentimes.
These
letters
do
have
things
that
the
applicant
needs
to
address
so
site
plans
and-
and
things
like
that,
can
change
as
a
result
of
those
agency
comments.
So
in
this
case
fire
provided
comment.
The
applicant
provided
edits
to
their
site
plan
and
that
satisfied
fire's
comment.
So
throughout
the
process
I
would
say
several
agencies
are
involved.
Y
P
Y
Yeah,
madam
mayor
council
member,
I
think
there's
a
few
levels
of
discretion
there.
Obviously
we
need
fires
approval
for
something
to
get
built,
so
we
are
looking
for
satisfaction
from
our
fire
department.
They
are
involved
in
the
other
processes
down
the
road,
so
design
review,
building,
permit
applications,
grading.
All
of
that
so
they're
an
integral
part
of
that
process.
D
And
mayor
yes,
I
I
don't
actually
think
this
is
a
question
for
delaney
but
just
kind
of
a
general
comment.
We
heard
from
several
parents
today
who
were
commenting
about
getting
their
children
to
and
from
school
and
cars.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
to
see
in
the
school
district
response
to
applications
is
the
busing
situation
from
a
proposed
development
like,
for
example.
D
If
if
this
is
in
bora
high
school's
area,
do
they
bus
would
they
bust
from
this
neighborhood
to
borah
high,
and
that
would
really
help
me
make
a
better
decision,
knowing
what
those
potential
traffic
impacts
are
going
to
be
in
the
morning
or
after
school
time,
and
that's
just
kind
of
a
general
comment,
maybe
for
going
forward.
I
don't
know
if
staff
can
kind
of
work
with
them
to
maybe
provide
something
more
like
that.
D
But
another
thing
that
I
heard
from
a
couple
of
commenters
was
that
there's
no
public
transit
here
and
yes,
we
learned
earlier
in
our
public
hearing
that
our
public
transit
system
could
be
better
like
people
want
it
to
be
better,
but
there
is
public
transit
here.
It
is
an
on
an
arterial
roadway.
This
is
our.
These
are
the
types
of
roadways
where
we
envision
having
a
lot
of
housing.
Frankly,
we
don't
envision
having
a
lot
of
housing
back
inside
neighborhoods,
but
we
do
envision
it
on
arterials,
particularly
where
there's
transit
present.
P
I
have
one
question,
so
the
development
has
already
been
approved.
The
question
is
about
the
rezoning.
If
the
rezoning
isn't
approved
what
happens
to
the
development.
Y
E
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
I
saw
ryan
from
achd
here
earlier.
I
don't
see
him
now.
I
don't
know
if
our
staff
can
answer
this
question,
but
my
question
is
we
heard
that
there
are
improvements
on
the
master
streets
map
plan
for
this
area
over
the
long
term
and,
as
I
understand
it,
that
isn't
in
the
five-year
work
plan
but
would
be
farther
away
than
that
is
from
what
you
know
is
that
correct.
Y
Yeah,
madam
mayor
council,
member
clay,
that
is
correct,
so
the
five-year
work
plan
did
include
those
improvements
on
victory,
road,
the
improvements
farther
to
the
south
that
did
that
east-west
connection,
I'm
not
sure
the
timeline
on
that,
but
it's
not
within
the
five-year
work
plan.
At
this
point
in
time,.
P
Madam
mayor,
I
don't
know
if
you're
the
right
person
to
ask
or
if
the
applicant
is
but
can
you
quantify
how
many
people
we
think
will
be
living
in
this
area,
so
I'm
trying.
I
know
that
that
is
squishy
because
of
units
and
things
like
that,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
conceptualize
we're
checking
a
thousand
we
talking
5000.
What
are
we
talking
about
here.
Y
Madam
mayor
council
member,
I
might
point
to
the
applicant
if
they
have
maybe
an
estimate
based
on
unit
or
bedroom
count,
I
would
say
rather
than
unit
count,
if
there's
any
approximate
that
they
would
like
to
put
out
there
at
this
point,
I
don't
think
we
really
calculate
a
population
from
that.
Q
K
All
right
question
about
the
land
use
map,
so
this
is
a
mixed
use,
designation
on
the
land
use
map.
Annex
recently,
at
some
point,
are
there
any
other
areas
that
we
know
of
south
of
victory
that
have
an
r3
designation
that
are
also
in
that
mixed-use
area?.
K
AA
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
a
few
quick
comments
and
then
some
some
larger
ones-
noise
attenuation.
Yes,
we
will
meet
the
standards
for
the
airport
area,
a
which
requires
attenuation
in
the
building
materials
to
that
25
decibel
level,
and
we
will
meet
that
fire.
There
was
another
comment
about
the
access
and
the
concrete
entry
to
milwaukee.
The
fire
department
has
looked
at
that
and
has
said
that
these
accesses
that
are
shown
in
our
site
plan
are
appropriate.
AA
They
just
need
to
cross-access
easement
with
boise
school
district
and
they've
agreed
to
provide
that
access
traffic.
Obviously
big
topic
from
the
neighbors
and
we've
already
had
some
discussion
of
it,
and
so
you
know,
in
addition
to
what
we've
talked
about
already
a
lot
of
the
commentary
from
neighbors
is
we
have
too
much
traffic
and
we
want
lower
density.
Please
push
this
further
south
pushing
out
density,
creates
more
traffic.
Lower
density
creates
more
traffic
when
you
spread
out
the
housing.
AA
That's
needed
away
from
your
arterials
away
from
your
transit
and
away
from
these
great
info
locations
that
are
next
to
employment
in
schools
and
other
non-residential
uses
that
can
support
it.
Then
you
create
more
of
a
traffic
problem.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
maximize
both
the
transit,
the
arterial
and
the
appropriate
plan
designation
here
to
provide
provide
that
right
level
of
of
density.
AA
AA
I'm
turning
to
some,
I
I
guess
a
couple
other
quick
comments.
There
yeah
schools
do
provide
busing
here,
council
member
weddings,
yes
to
all
all
areas
that
the
public
schools
serve,
they
will
provide
busing.
There
will
be
approximately
six
to
seven
hundred
residents
in
this
location.
AA
Council
member
willets,
just
based
on
bedroom
counts,
that's
an
estimate
turning
to
site
plan
and
some
of
the
comments
that
were
received
there,
one
of
the
answers
about
why
it
feels
like
there's
streets
around
that
we
felt
like
was
kind
of
that
more
urban-like
grid
and
you're,
seeing
it
as
suburban.
AA
So
we're
trying
to
understand
what
what
we
can
do
to
accomplish
that
and
I
think,
there's
actually
quite
a
bit
I
mean
part
of
it-
is
understanding
that
we
have
parking
underneath
the
townhomes,
which
is
part
of
what
creates
that
kind
of
we
think
more
urban
feel
to
it
rather
than
suburban
feeling
apartments,
and
so,
but
that
does
require
the
road
access.
AA
Those
are
back
back-to-back
town
home
units,
so
they
are
grouped,
but
then
they
have
the
garage
access
with
the
front
entries,
but
there's
still
a
lot
we
can
do
and
so
we'll
we'll
work
to
do
that
and
here's
some
things
that
we
think
are
appropriate
in
response
to
the
comments
and
very
good
comments,
we've
heard
we
we
did
respond
to
fire's
request
to
widen
the
fire
lanes
from
20
feet
to
26
feet
and
that
did
create
more
parking,
feel
you
know,
surface
parking
feel
but
we'll
work
with
them
to
see
what
we
can
do,
if
anything
about
that
we'll
certainly
work
with
them
to
sharpen
up
the
corners
wherever
we
can
and
see.
AA
If
there's
room
to
give
there
from
a
design
standpoint
talking
to
our
land,
planner,
there's
more,
we
can
do
from
a
material
standpoint.
So
while
we
may
have
to
provide
that
rounded
radius,
we
can
make
it
not
look
surrounded
with
some
materials,
the
way
that
we
treat
the
cobble
with
some
stamped
and
colored
concrete.
AA
There
are
many
areas
that
we
can
improve,
that
and
not
just
with
some
stamped
and
colored
concrete,
but
by
also
removing
some
of
the
parking
and
replacing
it
with
landscape
islands
to
create
actual
paths,
and
so
we
do
see
some
areas
there.
We
think
that's
completely
still
within
the
site
plan
that
is
appropriately
still
to
be
removed,
reviewed
by
design
review.
AA
We
agree
that
would
be
an
improvement
and
we
would
be
happy
to
add
those
in
our
own
design
going
before
design
review.
We
also
agree
with
the
suggestion
of
those
new
external
paths.
The
land
there's
not
much
time
left
here,
but
our
land
planner
is
also
online.
If
you
have
further
questions
for
for
him,
kurt
massey,
if
you
wanted
to
give
him
privileges,
so
with
that
you
know
I
just
wrap
up
by
asking
for
your
support
of
the
rezone.
A
E
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
comments.
I
did
look
at
the
site
plan
in
a
lot
more
detail
and
realized
that
those
were
back
to
back.
I
still
wonder,
given
the
design,
if
there
isn't
something
you
could
do
to
make
two.
So
so,
when
you
say
it's
a
more
urban
feel.
As
I
look
at
the
dimensions,
we've
got
blocks
that
are
about
100
feet
wide.
I
don't
know
any
city
in
the
country
that
has
blocks
that
small
portland
has
the
smallest
blocks.
E
I
know
of
and
they're
200
feet
so
something
to
gang
those
together
to
make
it
at
least
a
200
feet
would
would
actually
make
it
feel
more
like
blocks
and
not
surrounded
by
by
roadways.
I
realize
that
the
pud
is
already
approved.
I
can't
impact
those
things
but
by
suggesting
them
and
clearly
you
guys
are
open
to
considering
that.
I
thought
I
would
at
least
throw
that
on
the
table.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
G
Thanks,
madam
mayor
hi,
deb
good
to
see
you,
I
haven't
asked
this
question
and
it
seems
like
years
this
time.
How
much
are
those
units
going
for?
AA
D
But
amir
deb
can
you
because
I
I
noted
that,
along
along
trabuco,
where
there's
existing
housing
on
the
other
side,
those
are
where
kind
of
these
town
home
units
the
lower
density
units
are.
Can
you
describe
to
me
the
process
that
your
team
went
through
in
developing
this,
with
neighbor
input
and
kind
of
what
that
looked
like.
AA
AA
Certainly
the
request
from
the
neighbors
included
to
move
density
away
from
that
western
boundary
and
to
make
that
feel
more
like
the
homes
that
are
next
to
it,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
how
those
fourplexes
were
placed
there,
only
being
two-story
being
broken
up
into
four
plexes,
not
being
eight
plexes,
not
being
the
the
twelve
plexes.
AA
There
was
also
changes
based
on
neighbor
input
to
the
larger
apartment
buildings
and
their
orientation
and
breaking
those
up
into
the
two
buildings
and
and
then
also.
I
would
note
that
part
of
a
lot
of
the
design
thinking
that
went
into
the
neighbor
compatibility
to
the
west
is
those
those
four
plexes
that
are
oriented
there.
AA
Have
the
garage
and
driveway
access
internal
on
the
external
they
are
they're
designed
to
face,
as
if
they're
the
front
of
those
homes
with
design
features
that
are
equal
to
the
front
of
a
home
and
with
with
patios,
with
the
connecting
pathways
to
the
walkway
and
with
that
landscaping,
and
so
the
the
idea
of
the
look
of
those
was
really
thoughtful
toward
what
do
the
neighbors
to
the
west
see.
Z
Madam
mayor
council,
members
yeah
just
to
piggyback
on
deb's
point,
she
did
a
fantastic
job
describing
our
process.
We
had
multiple
neighborhood
meetings
and
through
that
process,
I
think
the
the
the
overwhelming
comments
were
with
respect
to
the
larger
denser
buildings,
the
apartments
and
some
of
the
density.
So
we
used
to
have
in
our
original
plan
more
the
density
right
along
victory
and
that
also
extended
over
to
the
corner
of
trabuco.
So
through
that
process
we
shifted
the
tuck
under
apartment
buildings,
along
milwaukee
and
victory
and
away
from
the
housing.
Z
Those
also
used
to
be
four
stories
in
our
initial
concept
plan,
which
was
another
major
concern
of
the
neighbors
and
still
allowed
under
the
45
foot
height
limit
of
the
r3
zone
encode.
So
we
dropped
those
down
to
three
stories
and
that
that
density
that
we
originally
presented
to
the
to
the
community
was
closer
to
the
340
unit
range
and
through
the
process
of
cutting
out
a
floor,
moving
the
buildings
and
decreasing
some
of
the
size
of
those
apartment
units
that
dropped
the
density
down
to
301
units,
which
we
felt
was
a
fair
compromise.
So.
A
O
K
A
little
more
organized
in
my
head,
so
I'm
looking
at
the
land
use
map
of
the
area
and
it
goes
suburban
mixed
use,
school,
suburban
and
then
I
think
we
go
to
office
and
then
commercial
on
the
other
side.
And
if
you
kind
of
you
know
scan
that
further
out
on
the
land
use
map
you'll
see
every
once
in
a
while
there's
a
little
pocket
here
and
there
a
mixed
use
area,
typically
close
to
some
type
of
activity
center,
whether
it's
a
neighborhood
activity
center
or
something
larger.
K
F
Y
K
K
Y
Madam
mayor
council
member,
that
is
correct,
there
would
be
office
type
that
zoning
that
would
be
allowed
in
this
destination
that
would
go
higher
than
that
43
and
a
half.
But
as
we
mentioned
with
the
da,
I
mean
this.
This
project
before
us
is
actually
at
the
20
unit.
So
we're
not
even
meeting
the
max
density
at
r3
and
yes,
there
are
other
zonings
that
would
be
higher
density
than
r3.
K
And
madame
air
just
follow
up
there,
so,
yes,
there
are
zoning
densities
that
would
be
allowed
in
a
mixed
use.
It
would
be
more
than
this,
but
at
an
r3,
this
isn't
even
maxing
out
in
r3.
It
could
be
more
dense
than
this
and
when
we
rezoned
this-
and
we
gave
it
a
mixed
use
allowance
and
included
r3
in
that,
we
knew
that
that
was
the
potential
for
there
to
be
a
larger
amount.
Is
that
correct.
K
And
the
reason
why
I
ask
those
questions
I
always
like.
I
always
try
to
make
sure
that
I'm
thinking
about
a
predictable
development
pattern
and
our
expectations
that
we
give
community
members
and
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
like
okay,
when
this
was
given
this
land
use
designation.
Is
this
a
predictable
development
pattern
I'm
moving
forward?
So
that's
that's
the
reason
why
I
asked
that
I
would
would
note.
E
D
E
Madam
mayor,
you
know
this
is
a
tough
area.
This
is
we
have
a
mixed-use
designation
here.
If
I
look
at
our
comprehensive
plan,
we
haven't
identified
any
activity
centers
in
this
region.
Much
at
all,
there
are
some
on
overland.
There
are
some
on
five
are
on
like
hazel,
there's
nothing
in
between
that's
a
big
distance.
E
If
you
look
across
the
city
for
identifying
places
where
there
should
be
activity
centers
so
that
people
can
walk
and
bike,
we
also
have
a
pattern
that
makes
it
very
difficult
to
provide
access
so
that
those
kinds
of
mixed-use
activity
centers
would
work
as
noted
victory
doesn't
allow
any
access
from
this
at
this
particular
site,
for
instance.
E
Council
member
holly
burton
pointed
out
that,
right
now
there
is
no
other
higher
density
development
any
very
near
here
and
because
there's
no
higher
density
development
very
near
here,
there's
not
enough
residents
to
support
a
mixed
use
activity
center
so
which
happens
first,
and
how
do
you
get
there
and
I
think
I
think
it's
clear
that
there
are
things
that
could
make
this
work
better.
E
The
identified
access
and
roadway
improvements
on
the
master
streets
map,
for
instance
to
the
south,
the
potential
improvement
over
time
of
figuring
out
where
the
mixed
use
activity
centers
should
be
out
here
and
supporting
them
in
a
way
that
make
them
actually
work.
There's
the
beginnings
of
one
at
the
corner
of
victory
and
coal.
It's
about
half
a
mile
from
this
site,
certainly
walkable.
If
it
were
safe
to
walk
down
there.
I
have
a
daughter
who
lives
out
in
this
area,
so
I
know
how
uncomfortable
it
is
to
walk
on
victory
or
on
coal
today.
E
So
the
question
is:
if
we
deny
this,
if
we
don't
do
this
rezone
and
this
housing
doesn't
happen
here,
there
won't
be
the
change
that
you
all
are
concerned
about,
and
I
agree
that
you
have
some
valid
concerns,
but
there
will
also
not
be
the
impetus
to
change
the
other
things
that
will
make
that
better
over
time.
E
E
Aggregated
in
such
a
way
that
you
could
serve
it
with
transit
or
other
mobility
options,
it
will
be
one
car
at
a
time
one
car
at
a
time
through
your
neighborhood,
to
get
to
those
jobs,
so
I'm
not
convinced
that
it
will
decrease
the
traffic
overall.
I
think
it
will
just
put
it
in
a
way
that
will
be
make
it
make
it
really
more
difficult
to
provide
the
mobility
options
that
might
solve
it.
E
I'm
sure
none
of
this
makes
any
of
you
feel
better
doesn't
make
me
feel
better,
because
we
haven't
done
a
good
job
of
planning
in
this
area.
I'm
a
planner
and
we
haven't,
and
the
question
is:
how
do
you
fix
it,
and
I
think
you
fix
it
by
starting
to
take
actions
that
create
impetus
to
fix
it
right
now
we
don't
have
any
impetus
to
fix
it
and
over
time
you
guys
have
just
gotten
drowned
in
traffic.
D
D
One
of
those
is
that
this
development
is
very
near
mullinar
park,
which
we
recently
added
significant
amenities
to,
because
we
heard
from
the
neighborhood
that
there
was
a
shortage
of
park
space
and
we
addressed
it
and
that
was
really
important
to
us.
We
took
that
money
out
of
our
capital
fund
to
correct
that
deficiency.
D
D
It
will
change
the
neighborhood
it's
on
victory
road,
which
is
a
very
busy
road.
It's
an
arterial
roadway
and
it's
smack
in
the
middle
of
coal
and
maple
grove,
which
I
think
we'll
see
some,
as
the
council
president
said
some
activation
around
commercial
uses
in
the
future.
D
So,
while
yes,
it
will-
probably
you
know,
change
some
things:
it's
not
going
to
change,
anyone's
private
enjoyment
of
their
home.
It's
not
going
to
change
the
way.
It
feels
to
walk
down
your
street,
so
I
I'm
in
support
of
this.
I
do
I
want
to
talk
about
some
things.
I
do
appreciate
about
this
development.
D
I
appreciate
the
two-story
townhomes
providing
the
buffer
between
existing
residential
and
higher
density
development.
I
think
that's
really
smart
and
I
think
that
it
is
considerate
to
neighborhood
feedback.
D
I
like
the
mix
of
housing
types,
it's
something
that
we
always
ask
for,
especially
in
developments
of
this
size.
We
don't
want
to
see
a
monolithic
block
of
one
type
of
housing.
We
don't
want
to
see
it
all
be
just
apartment
buildings,
especially
on
this
size
of
acreage.
So
it's
really
nice
to
have
some
of
those
townhomes
triplex's
quadruplexes
and
multi-family
buildings,
and
I
think
that
that'll
give
some
really
nice
selection
to
the
housing
types
out
there.
D
D
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
coming
out
tonight.
I
know
this
is
not
the
outcome
that
you
wanted,
but
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time.
K
Ben
mirror
was
there
a
second
did.
I
miss
it.
Okay,
there
was
great
victory.
Road
is
an
absolute
disaster.
It's
a
mess.
It
doesn't
feel
comfortable
to
walk
on.
It
doesn't
feel
comfortable
to
bike
on
I
biked
on
it
three
days
ago,
east
of
coal
and
then
all
the
way
from
coal
down
to
franklin,
and
I
was
doing
that
to
explore
some
of
the
canal
pathways
opportunities
they're
going
to
be
in
that
area
from
new
york
canal,
all
the
way
down
to.
K
I
can't
remember
which
one
to
do
a
walking
area,
but
on
coal
between
victory
and
amity,
so
people
can
really
see
what
it
is
like
to
walk
and
to
ride
in
that
area,
which
is
important
because
you
know
it's
a
35
mile,
an
hour
road.
That's
five
lanes
wide
and
it
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
The
way
that
it's
set
up.
Those
are
things
that
we
have
to
solve
as
a
city.
K
I
look
at
this
development
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
going
to
make
victory
road
any
better
and
it
certainly
will
be
adding
additional
vehicles
onto
victory
road,
and
that
really
is
my
biggest
hesitancy
towards
this
towards
this
project,
because,
as
far
as
like
the
housing
and
the
type
and
the
density,
I
actually
don't
think
it's
that
bad,
and
I
think
that
it
is
really
close
to
a
lot
of
job
opportunities.
K
People
are
always
going
to
have
to
drive
in
a
lot
of
areas,
at
least
for
some
of
those
trips,
but
if
we
continue
to
build
out
ways
where
trips
to
parks,
trips
to
the
pizza
shop,
treats
or
trips
to
the
brewery
trips
to
you
know
the
canal
pathway
that
may
be
somewhere
close.
Those
are
the
things
I
think
that
we
really
have
to
be
building
for,
and
that's
why
you
know.
K
While
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
traffic
on
victory
road,
I
think
that
those
are
things
that
we
do
have
to
address,
and
I
do
agree
with
council
president
clegg
that
we
have
to
be
able
to
build
in
a
way
that
gets
us
closer
to
those
things
and
and
again
I
know
that
you
know
that's
not
the
answer
that
a
lot
a
lot
of
people
want
to
hear,
but
it
is
something
that
I
know
that
we
do
care
about
what
it's
like
to
walk
and
bike
in
that
area,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
meeting
with
achd
in
about
a
month
to
really
have
that
experience
for
folks
who
haven't
been
out
there.
A
P
Else,
oh
yeah.
I
guess
I
hear
you
and
I
am
struggling
with
this,
because
this
is
tough
stuff
and
I've
been
quoting
jimmy
a
lot
that
road's
a
disaster.
I
have
felt
so
much
rage
on
that
road
and
I
don't
know
what
we
do
when
we
don't
own
the
roads.
So
we
have
a.
We
have
a
report
that
says
it's
it's!
Okay.
P
P
You
know
if
I'm
going
to
support
this
motion
or
not
the
other
thing
that
I've
committed
to
is
to
ensure
that
we
let
the
free
market
help
drive
these
things
when
we
can
and
that
we
put,
you
know,
safeguards
in
there,
but
I
I'm
struggling
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know.
I
don't
know
how
I'm
going
to
vote
on
this
motion,
but
I
want
you
to
know
that
I
hear
you
that
was
the
best
neighborhood
presentation
I
have
seen
in
my
you
know
short
time
on
council.
P
I
know
you
care,
I
know,
that's
why
you
live
in
boise,
because
you
love
it
and
you
want
to
keep
it
what
you
love
about
it,
and
so
I've
got
to
give
some
thinking
time
to
this,
but
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
this
is
tough
for
me
personally
to
decide
what
to
do.
For
all
the
reasons.
You've
said
that
we
don't
have
control
over.
G
Madam
mayor,
yes,
thank
you.
I
too
echo
my
colleagues
and
thanking
you
for
coming
out
tonight.
G
In
fact,
I
would
wager
that
the
reason
you
probably
don't
see
a
lot
of
renters
testifying
when
projects
like
this
come
up
is
their
lifestyle
doesn't
allow
them
to
they're,
probably
working
multiple
jobs.
G
The
rental
market
is
highly
volatile,
and
so
I
see
myself
as
a
fellow
renter
being
that
person
who
has
to
advocate
for
them,
and
so,
even
though
it's
difficult,
I
concur
with
my
colleagues,
I
used
to
visit
a
friend
who
lived
out
near
victory
and
I
had
to
emotionally
prepare
to
go
out
there.
So
I
don't
think
anyone
will
argue
with
anybody's
stance
about
how
difficult
it
is
to
travel
in
that
part
of
boise,
but
we
also
have
to
weigh
the
needs
of
different
members
of
our
community
and
I
would
say
right
now.
G
A
C
Sure
you
know
this
is
r3
permitted
in
our
comprehensive
planning
documents.
It's
consistent
with
bluepoint
print
boise,
it's
transit,
oriented
development,
it's
actually
coming
in
at
a
density
lower
than
r3
would
permit.
There
are
a
few
things
that
I
personally
would
change
about
this
development.
I
don't
like
how
closed
off
it
is.
I
don't
like
the
amount
of
asphalt
in
there,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
achd
has
approved
the
traffic
plan.
The
boise
fire
department
has
approved
the
fire
plan.
E
E
We
add
the
extra
access
points
on
the
pedestrian
way
that
they
live.
Oh
okay,
the
design
of
the
corners,
the
design
of
the
service,
drives
those
kinds
of
things.
Yes,
I
concur.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
K
P
A
A
B
B
No,
but
I
believe,
council,
president
clay
was
asking
for
a
second
on
an
amendment.
V
A
A
The
three
of
you,
please
feel
free
to
come
closer
if
you'd
like
I,
I
should
have
thought
ahead
and
just
decided
to
move
you
guys
ahead.
I'm
sorry
about
that.
So
now,
we'll
move
into
this
appeal.
Drh21423.
A
AB
A
Right
and
then
you'll
do
the
rebuttal
of
yourself
and
yourself.
I
suppose:
okay,
all
right
with
that,
is
anybody
if
anybody's
online
for
this
one,
that's
a
party
record.
Please
just
raise
your
hand,
so
we
know,
and
with
that,
let's
just
jump
right
into
it.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm
before
you
tonight
for
an
appeal
of
a
historic
preservation.
Commission
approval
with
conditions
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
second
story.
Addition
to
an
existing
single-family
residence
in
the
east
end
historic
district.
I
So
the
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
jefferson
street,
between
strawhand
and
elm,
approximately
a
block
west
of
roosevelt
elementary
school,
the
property
is
zoned
r2h,
which
is
medium
density,
residential
with
the
historic
district
overlay
and
the
property
was
determined
to
be
contributing
structure
in
a
survey
conducted
in
2002.
I
I
A
All
right
can
we
refer
to
the
staff
report
or
do.
AD
A
I
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
have
them
numbered,
but
a2
the
elevation
sheet
that
shows
the
north,
south,
east
and
west
elevation
of
the
structure
is
really
the
most
telling.
I
It
you
know
it
depicts
the
second
story,
addition
to
the
home
again
lower
than
the
primary
roofline
of
the
structure
set
back
in
from
the
primary
walls
and
largely
not
visible
from
the
street.
The
historic
preservation
commission
found
that
to
be
appropriate
and
in
compliance
with
the
historic
guidelines,
but
in
adding
that
second
story
addition
and
making
that
floor
space
within
the
roof
usable,
the
applicant
did
add
two
dormers
to
the
street
facing
facade,
and
that
is
what
the
conditions
that
the
applicant
is
appealing
are
in
direct
relation
to.
I
So
the
historic
guidelines
do
directly
address
addition
of
dormers
on
a
historic
structure
that
historic
dormers
that
did
not
exist
should
be
placed
at
the
rear
of
the
house
and
as
much
out
of
view
of
the
street
or
public
right-of-way
as
possible,
and
also
that
the
introduction
of
new
dormers,
when
required
for
the
habitation
of
heretofore
unused
attic
space,
must
be
designed
to
minimize
damage
to
historical
forms
of
the
existing
building.
I
So
we
included
a
condition
of
approval
in
the
report
to
the
commission
that
those
dormers
on
the
front
facade
be
eliminated.
The
historic
preservation
commission
concurred.
They
held
that
fine.
They
held
that
condition
on
the
report
and
also
found
that
the
proposal
for
those
dormers
did
not
comply
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
that
could
threaten
the
contributing
status
of
the
structure
with
that
they
approved
the
project.
With
that
with
everything
you
know
approved,
as
is
other
than
the
removal
of
those
two
dormers
on
the
front.
I
The
applicant
subsequently
appealed
that
decision.
We
would
ask
you
to
deny
that
decision
tonight
and
uphold
their
approval
with
conditions
with
that,
I
could
stand
for
any
questions.
E
Just
to
clarify,
because
we
don't
have
the
computer
working,
the
dormers
are
shown
on
the
south
elevation
as
proposed
and
and
the
condition
is
that
those
be
removed.
I
AF
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
council
members.
My
name
is
curtis
marshall
and
I
live
at
810,
east
jefferson
street,
with
my
wife
and
two
daughters,
nine
and
six,
I'm
going
to
start
with
saying:
okay
got
10
minutes,
I'm
totally
new
to
this
process,
and
I
didn't
understand
how
the
appeal
would
go.
We're
super
happy
with
the
approval
for
the
work
to
be
done
on
the
north
side
of
the
house
and
the
non-street
facade.
AF
The
dormers
on
the
front
were
designed
by
noel
martinez,
with
studio
boise
to
go
and
provide
light
and
space
to
the
current
attic
that
has
been
finished.
It's
the
current
bedroom
of
both
girls.
They
live
up
there.
The
dormers
would
give
more
space
and
more
light.
AF
So
part
of
the
process
was
that
and
I'm
gonna
get
some
of
these
terms
wrong.
But
the
historical
preservation,
office
or
committee
stated
that
you
know
you
can't
do
any
work
on
the
street
facade
to
change
how
the
house
looks
and
a
lot
of
the
concerns
of
the
council
members
back
in
the
end
of
december
was
that
if
you
added
the
dormers
it
could
cause
the
home
to
lose
its
contributing
status.
AF
AF
The
house-
true,
I
think,
1916
it
was
built
that
original
rectangle
is
no
longer
original,
the
back
end
of
it.
It
has
three
sets
of
back
doors
now,
which
is
fine,
because
it's
all
at
the
back
and
I
get
it
it
doesn't
apply
to
what
I'm
trying
to
do
today,
but
the
front
step
is
poured
concrete.
I
don't
know
what
year
that
was
added.
AF
AF
So
how
could
the
addition
in
my
mind,
of
adding
two
dormers
on
the
front
change
its
status
as
contributing
because
in
2008
it
was
already
determined
that,
with
these
newer
things
added
on
it
could
still
contribute,
I'm
hoping
that
it
can
still
contribute
into
the
future.
But
I
don't
know
how
to
go
through,
knowing
that
it
would
work
that
way
if
that
makes
sense,
so
that's
kind
of
the
route
I'm
going
down.
We'd
love
to
have
it,
and
my
main
part
of
this
appeal
is
the
neighborhood
that
we
have
around
us.
AF
We've
had
some
neighbors
right
in
and
I
can't
supply
that
documentation
for
what
we
have
going
on
today,
but
I
have
it
in
front
of
me
and
since
I
have
a
few
minutes,
I'd
like
to
share
some
of
their
support
so
to
start
pam
lemley
she
lives,
I'm
just
gonna
read
how
she
put
it.
I
attended
online,
the
historic
preservation
committee's
february
hearing
for
mr
and
mrs
curtis
marshall,
with
a
planned,
remodel
and
restoration
at
810
east
jefferson.
AF
Mr
marshall
was
present
along
with
miss
noel
martinez.
The
designer
who
gave
a
thorough
presentation
of
the
plans
for
the
remodel
and
presentation.
Miss
martinez
worked
with
two
professors,
one
being
professor,
philip
mead
of
the
university
of
idaho
and
another
professor
in
keeping
the
integrity
of
the
house.
Since
the
house
is
old
and
has
had
little
care
over
the
years
as
a
neighbor.
I
was
delighted
with
the
plan.
AF
There
was
a
surprise
and
disappointment
when
there
were
no
questions
asked
from
your
committee
tip
I'll
skip
that
part,
because
really
it
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
committee
on
on
the
plans,
because
what
we're
trying
to
determine
is
the
dormers
taking
away
the
contributing
factor,
but
pam
goes
on
to
say
the
two
dorm
bedroom
and
bathroom,
designed
for
their
daughters
on
the
second
floor
would
give
the
girls
two
nice
bedrooms
for
play
and
sleeping
the
dormant
windows
would
also
help
with
fire
safety.
AF
It's
my
desire
to
see
the
house
permitted,
so
the
marshall
family
may
have
a
lovely
home
and
the
other
homes
in
the
area.
So
it's
nice.
She
wrote
this
out
and
she
went
around
and
I
know
not
a
lot
of
probably
see
this,
but
people
have
signed
in
support
and
it's
not
just
like
the
neighbors
next
to
us
or
across
the
street,
but
as
people
that
are
a
couple
blocks
away
and
kind
of
represents
the
east
end.
Neighborhood.
AF
There's
also
the
professor
from
up
at
the
university
of
idaho,
he
wrote
in
a
really
nice
email
which
I
can't
submit,
but
stating
that
this
home.
Basically
it's
in.
I
guess
it's
it's
for
adding
them
and
that
it
doesn't
take
away
from
the
house
and
it's
the
current
status
of
being
unusual
and
old,
because
it
fits
more
in
with
an
actual
architectural
design,
which
is
what
noel
martinez
was
going
for.
AF
Hopefully,
my
idea
with
that
is
that
it
would
help
if
you
were
to
reassess
it
with
dormers
that
it
could
still
be
a
contributing
home
for
the
historical
reservation
and
one
of
the
last
people
that
I
will
just
bring
up
because
it
is
10
o'clock
at
night.
AF
AF
I
thought
that
was
very
kind
of
him
to
do.
It's
somebody
in
the
neighborhood,
a
part
of
the
committee,
and
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
your
name.
You
might
know
him.
AF
AF
Yeah
in
closing,
we
bought
the
house
in
2019
with
broken
windows,
rusted
out
pipes,
slanted
floors,
the
foundations
are
falling
out.
We
love
it,
it's
a
project,
we're
gonna
put
it
together
and
we
would
love
to
go
ahead
and
see
it
with
a
little
bit
more
space
up
in
the
finished
attic
and
go
against
the
grain
with
just
hard
and
fast.
You
cannot
put
anything
on
the
front
of
a
house
on
the
street
facade
because
it's
considered
contributing
to
the
historic
neighborhood.
AF
AF
AG
AG
First,
I
would
like
to
thank
the
homeowners
of
this
starling
historic
home
for
not
wanting
to
demo
the
house
and
for
keeping
the
same
footprint
and
keeping
the
same
footprint.
It
also
maintains
the
grease
space,
which
is
part
of
the
character
of
our
east
end
historic
district
ina's.
Only
concern
with
the
addition
of
the
dormers
to
the
front
of
the
house
is
that
it
will
lose
its
contributing
status.
AG
E
I
I
Yep,
you
know
what
we
do
base.
You
know
the
determination
that
would
likely
become
non-contributing
on
are
those
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
and
treatment
of
historic
structures
that
speak
specifically
to
adding
new
architectural
features.
You
know
the
seven
areas
of
integrity,
of
a
historic
structure
that
include
materials
workmanship.
Things
like
that.
I
E
Okay,
one
last
question:
if
I
could,
I
know
that
we
approved
solar
panels
on
a
character
facing
facade.
I
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clegg
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I
think
that
may
be
more
palatable,
because
it's
not
drastically
changing
the
roof
line
of
the
structure.
I
would
need
to
kind
of
dig
into
those
standards
that
I
guess
that's
a
question
that
has
been
posed
to
this
point.
That's
like
it's
a
good
point.
We
need
to
kind
of
dig
into
the
standards
a
little
bit
more
and
see
what
impact
that
would
have
on
us.
Thank
you.
A
P
I
Madam
mayor
councilmember
will
so
when
the
district
was
formed,
surveys
were
performed
throughout
the
district
to
determine
you
know,
contributing
and
non-contributing
properties
and
then
provided
use.
Those
as
the
basis
for
the
formation
of
that
district.
Okay.
After
the
formation
of
district,
is
the
historic
preservation
commission
who
has
purview
over
contributing
our
non-contributing
structures.
AH
W
AH
This
evening
I
am
oh,
I
just
said
it's
great
to
see
you
oh
good.
I
was
like
can't
hear
over
my
own
voice
this
evening.
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
preservation,
idaho,
to
offer
our
support
to
staff
and
the
historic,
preservations
commission,
historic
preservation,
commission's
decision,
4810
east
jefferson,
as
was
mentioned
in
our
letter,
dated
november,
2nd
referencing,
section
4.1
and
per
staff's
recommendations.
AH
We
cannot
support
the
addition
of
dormers
on
the
front
facade
of
this
contributing
historic
home
and
without
any
historical
knowledge
or
consideration
of
existing
guidelines.
One
might
agree
that
the
dormers
would
enhance
the
property
and
unify
what
the
applicants
have
referred
to
as
the
ad
hoc
editions.
However,
it's
just
not
the
case,
and
I
will
chime
in
and
echo
inna's
comments
that
we
are
grateful
to
not
see
a
demolition
application,
because
that's
what
we've
gotten
used
to
lately.
AH
These
dormers
will
add
a
false
sense
of
narrative
to
this
home,
which
is
contradicting
preservation
practices
that
the
city
follows
so
the
impact
that
the
front
dormers
have
on
this
property
could,
as
commissioner
molloy
stated,
be
enough
to
tip
the
home's
contributing
status,
and
that
is
something
that,
as
preservation,
idaho,
we
can't
support
the
the
potential
loss
of
a
historic
contributing
home.
We
do
encourage
the
homeowners
to
look
at
alternative
solutions,
and
perhaps
skylights
may
be
an
alternative
to
that.
AH
You
know
it's
working
with
attic
spaces
challenging
working
with
in
historic
homes
can
be
challenging,
but
they
have.
They
have
shown
that
they
appreciate
the
the
character
and
the
uniqueness
and
the
quirkiness
of
these
homes,
and
we
hope
that
you
know
this
if
we
can
look
at
alternative
solutions
that
that's
something
that
we
can
support
down
the
line.
Thank
you.
C
Mrs
sigliano,
it's
really
nice
to
see
you
again.
I
have
a
quick
question
for
you
just
about
what
yeah
your
organization's
view
is
so
there's
language
in
the
guidelines
about
you
know
sort
of
not
piece
meal
development,
but
architectural
change
over
time.
That
creates
a
false
sense
of
progress
and
then
separately.
C
There's
the
historic
preservation
commission's
concern
about
losing
the
contributing
home,
and
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is
is
preservation.
Idaho
is
your
view
that,
regardless
of
contributing
non-contributing,
these
dormers
should
not
be
allowed
because
they
create
a
false
sense
of
architectural
progress,
or
is
it
rather
that
the
potential
false
sense
of
architectural
progress
could
cause
the
home
to
be
not
contributing,
and
that's
the
part
you're
worried
about.
AH
So,
madam
mayor
councilmember
beijing,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
guess
it's
it's.
My
answer
would
be
a
two-fold
answer
that
you
know.
Yes,
it
does
putting
those
dramas
on.
Has
the
potential
to
make
this
home
lose
its
contributing
status,
which,
at
this
point
in
time,
would
probably
be
our
number
one
concern,
but
also
when
we're
looking
at
you
know,
they're
doing
they're
doing
renovations
to
the
rear
of
the
house,
which
I
don't
think
that
we've
ever
not
supported
renovations
to
the
rear
of
the
house.
AH
C
It
does,
I
think
I
took
your
answer
to
be
we're
very
concerned
that
this
home
could
lose
its
contributing
status.
Comma,
however
comma,
even
if
these
dormers
could
be
added
without
affecting
the
contributing
status,
it
has
a
potential
broader
scale,
negative
impact
on
our
district
as
a
whole,
and
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
with
the
guidelines.
So,
even
even
in
that
circumstance
we
wouldn't
want
to
see
these
dormers
is
that
basically
right.
AH
AH
A
A
AF
No
less
important,
though
yep,
I
guess
in
rebuttal
to
to
this
the
chicken
and
the
egg
it
came
up
before
and
it's
the
battle
that
I
don't
understand
is
how
do
you
go
ahead
and
determine
if
it's
going
to
lose
its
status
or
not?
Here's
my
plan
can't
have
it.
It's
got
to
be
built.
I
can't
build
it
because
I
can't
get
permission
to
so.
You
can't
go
ahead
and
judge
whether
it
can
contribute
or
not.
AF
I
don't
understand
this
at
all,
because
it's
just
in
circles
and
which
office
does
it.
I
don't
know
the
third
party
did
the
last
one.
It
wasn't
any
state
anything
2002.
she
came
through.
You
can
look
up
her
name.
Their
office
is
still
here
in
town,
be
like
just
come
on
by
check
it
out.
Please
submit
this,
they
won't
do
it.
So
here
we
are,
I
understand
the
concerns
of
the
house
losing
its
status.
AF
You
know
the
story,
the
narrative
that
this
house
has
very
basic.
It's
got
some
add-ons
church
it
up
a
little
bit.
I'm
trying
to
continue
that
story
in
that
narrative
by
churching
it
up
just
a
little
bit
more
without
having
it
lose
lose
that
status.
I
don't
know.
I
appreciate
you
guys
time,
take
it
in
consideration
and
I
just
hope
that
we're
not
hampered
by
the
few
words
that
are
put
down
that
you
have
to
follow
this.
AF
No
street
facade
changes
are
allowed
period.
If
you
can't
have
growth
in
a
neighborhood,
you
can't
have
change,
we
don't
want
to
just
stagnate
and
let
the
houses
fall
down.
I
can
live
in
the
house
and
I
can
let
it
deteriorate
and
fall
and
there's
not
a
problem.
AF
We'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
make
it
more
livable,
and
even
once,
we've
moved
on
20
years
from
now,
maybe
30
years
from
now.
Somebody
else
would
want
to
move
into
it
and
not
go
ahead
and
put
an
application
for
demolition
and
tear
it
down,
because
they
don't
have
what
they
think
they
could,
because
it's
an
awesome,
neighborhood
cool
little
house
been
there
for
a
while.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
G
Madam
mayor
sir,
I
just
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
having
a
very
positive
and
gracious
attitude,
because
you're
a
homeowner
and
you
could
very
easily
be
very,
very
upset,
and
I
think,
perhaps
you're
the
type
of
person
to
take
it
all
in
stride
and
you're
right.
You
know
some
of
the
things
you
probably
heard
tonight
probably
put
all
this
in
perspective,
but
I
just
on
a
personal
note,
want
to
thank
you
for
having
a
great
attitude
about
this
process.
A
Any
questions
all
right:
I
actually
have
one
I'm
not
going
to
be
voting,
but
I'm
just
curious.
It
is
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
and
we
don't
we.
We
aren't
the
ones
the
city's,
not
the
one.
That
does
the
survey.
That
then
makes
the
decision.
It
is
that
third
party,
it's
kind
of
nuts,
that
you
can't
project
and
then
make
a
decision,
because
I
appreciate
that
you
don't
want
to
do
it.
It
means
you're
going
to
lose
the
status,
but
you
really
want
to
do
it
because
it
makes
your
life
better.
A
AF
Yeah
I
mean
it'd,
be
something
that
you
know.
If
you
could
do
it
more
light,
is,
is
better
but
skylights
they're
getting
better.
They
don't
look
that
good.
I
don't
think
that
that
same
effect
goes
in
as
with
a
dormer
where
it
can
actually
show
a
bit
of
an
architectural
not
flow,
but
cohesion
and
kind
of
bring
things
together.
Then
you
just
have
big
pieces
of
glass
up
there
and
yeah
you
get
the
light,
but
walking
by.
I
don't
think
it
looks
as
historic.
I
guess.
Madam.
P
Mayor,
I'm
gonna
direct
you
a
little
bit
more.
You
gotta
tell
us
yes
or
no,
because
yeah,
if
you're
good
for
the
lights,
I
think
that
that
will
sway
where
this
council
goes.
Perhaps
so,
if
you
want
your
windows,
I
think
you
need
to
say
I
want
those
domer
where,
however,
you
say
the
dormers
yeah
versus
like.
AF
AF
G
Madam
mayor,
yes,
so
I
don't
know
if
I
heard
you
say
it,
I
thought
is
safety
part
of
the
reason
why
you
want
the
windows.
P
R
Madam
mayor
councilmember
willits
in
order
to
overturn
generally,
you
would
just
find
error
in
in
the
decision
making
process
of
hpc
put
forward
a
reason
statement
as
to
why
you
believe
that
error
is
is
in
the
record.
If
you
do
overturn,
then
you
can
direct
back
additional
information
to
be
requested
in
order
to
make
another
decision.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
You,
madam
mayor,
don't
know
where
we're
going
for
sure,
but
I
I
would
just
ask,
as
I
look
at
these
elevations,
if
you
considered
at
least
a
little
eyebrow
dormer
on
the
non-contributing
facade
side
of
the
roof,
to
at
least
get
a
little
bit
extra
light
and
and
space
in
there.
AF
Z
E
Adam
mayor,
this
is
a
hard
motion
to
make,
because
you
know
my
heart
says
that
dormers
would
be
great
there.
But,
as
I
look
at
the
evidence,
I
think
I
have
to
make
the
motion
to
deny
the
appeal
and
uphold
the
decision
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
on
drh
21
423
at
810,
east
jefferson,.
E
And
mayor,
I
would
just
say
you
know,
the
historic
guidelines
are
notoriously
non-flexible
in
ways
that
sometimes
don't
make
any
sense,
and
in
this
case
I
I
certainly
understand
both
sides
of
it.
I
understand
the
need
not
to
lose
the
contributing
status
of
buildings
in
the
east
end
because
of
the
nature
of
the
overall
survey
and
the
numbers
in
that
at
the
same
time
certainly
understand
the
desire
to
get
more
light
in
space
in
an
attic
space.
E
So,
but
overall,
given
that
and
given
that
the
guidelines
are
pretty
direct
and
pretty
you
know
unquestionable
what
they're
saying
I
have
to
support
what
the
I
don't
see
evidence
to
overturn
what
the
historic
preservation
commission
decided.
C
Madam
mayor
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion
really
begrudgingly
and
I
want
to
just
maybe
flag
a
couple
of
things
since
we're
rewriting
our
zoning
code
and
we're
all
thinking
about
these
things.
Madam
mayor's
correct,
like
it's
a
little
crazy
and
kind
of
unfair
that
a
gentleman
can
come
to
us
and
say
hey.
I
want
to
do
this
with
my
house,
but
I
don't
want
to
lose
contributing
status.
C
If
I
do
lose
contributing
status,
that
would
be
very
bad.
Can
you
help
me
figure
out
if
I'm
going
to
lose
contributing
status
and
given
the
way
the
current
rules
are
set
up?
We
just
can't
answer
him.
That's
that's
tough!
It's
it's
a
little
backwards
and
I
think
we
should
look
for
ways
to
try
to
get
citizens
clear
answers
to
these
kinds
of
questions
so
that
they
can
do
the
things
like
this
gentleman
wants
to
do
to
protect
their
contributing
status
with
their
home.
C
C
He
says
his
children
are
living
up
there
already,
so
there
was
some
misplacement
of
the
guidelines
and
the
rules,
but
the
one
that
I
can't
get
around
explains
that
when
you're
going
to
be
adding
a
dormer
finished
or
not
whatever
the
upstairs
is,
it
must
be
done
in
a
way
that
doesn't
affect
the
integrity
of
the
street
street-facing
roofline,
and
I
don't
understand
how
to
get
around
that.
I
think
the
planning
and
zoning
or
excuse
me,
the
historic
preservation
commission
made
the
correct
decision
there.
I
certainly
don't
see
an
error
and
then
my
final
comment.
C
C
In
my
mind,
that
seems
like
it'd
be
okay,
but
then
my
last
sort
of
side
comment
would
be
south
facing
skylights
are
kind
of
awful,
so
those
are
all
things
to
consider
as
you
go
forward,
sir,
but
given
given
the
the
historic
preservation
rules
and
given
the
way
that
they
reach
their
decision
here.
I
have
to
support
the
motion.
D
And
a
mayor
I
want
to
I
I
love
this
house
like
when
your
house
was
for
sale.
It's
like!
Oh,
it's
such
a
cute
little
franken
house.
Look
how
funky
it
is!
Look
at
all
these
like
fun,
weird
little
things
that
have
been
added
on:
it's
really
a
fun
little
structure
and
I'm
glad
that
it
has
an
owner
who
really
appreciates
it.
D
I
can
definitely
tell
that
you
enjoy
our
neighborhood.
You
enjoy
your
sense
of
place,
but,
like
my
colleagues
like
hpc
made
the
right
call,
it's
super
frustrating.
You
should
be
able
to
have
a
process
by
which
you
can
show
your
plans
to
somebody
and
say:
does
this
impact
my
contributing
status,
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
should
be
looked
into.
D
I
know
we
have
several
other
historic
preservation
items
that
we've
been
wanting
to
look
into
for
a
very
long
time.
Our
planning
and
zoning
department
has
been
woefully
understaffed
for
a
very
long
time,
so
we've
been
kind
of
pushing
those
off,
but
maybe
that
can
be
kind
of
added
to
this
body
of
work
that
we've
been
amassing
for
the
past
several
years
and
we
can
kind
of
figure
out
if
there
might
be
a
process
by
which
a
homeowner
could
ask
first.
I
think
that
that
seems
very
sensible.
D
So
thank
you
for
loving
your
house.
It's
very
cute.
I
hope
that
you're
able
to
add
that
extra
space
for
your
daughters
being
crammed
into
an
attic
seams
and
up
some
spiral
stairs
seems
less
than
optimal,
probably
maybe
not
forever,
though
at
least
while
they're
little
so.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming
out.
P
Madame
this
is
bananas.
I
I
don't
understand
this
process
where
you
have
to
just
try
and
maybe
and
anyhow,
I'm
gonna
vote.
No,
I
want
you,
have
your
windows,
I
think
it
looks
great
love.
Historic
homes
would
love
to
redo
one
in
some
time
in
my
life,
but
I'm
gonna
vote
now.
I
wish
you
could
have
your
windows.