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Good
evening,
everybody
welcome
to
the
Boise
City
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak.
As
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you
will
be
called
upon
and
unmuted.
There
is
a
chat
function
in
Zoom,
but
this
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
be
only
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
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Our
proceedings
for
public
hearings
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
Star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
Testimony.
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Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
You
know
in
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
in
tonight's
meeting.
That's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
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We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment:
core
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
Hearing
in
the
order
of
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff,
applicant,
neighboring,
Association
and
then
public
testimony.
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D
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
A
little
bit
of
housekeeping
to
start
us
off
tonight.
We
have
a
few
things
eligible
for
the
consent
agenda,
but
first
without
objection,
I
will
place
the
minutes
from
our
November
7th
and
November
14th
meetings
on
the
consent
agenda.
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The
first
item
on
our
genotypes
item:
a
is
the
cup
20-50
Anderson
Whalen
and
Associate
and
Associates
at
11304
West
Fairview
Avenue.
This
is
also
just
a
Time
extension,
so
without
objection,
I
will
place
that
time.
Extension
on
the
consent
agenda.
This
is
a
one-year
time
extension
for
a
cup
for
a
drive
up
window
with
the
financial
institution
on
5.09
acres
in
a
c2d
Zone.
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And
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
items
that
are
eligible
for
consent.
Item
number
one
is
cup
22-49
Givens
personally
LLP.
This
was
deferred
from
our
meeting
last
week
on
December
5th.
The
address
the
project
address
is
three
637
North
Harbor
North
Lake
Harbor
Lane.
This
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
modification
to
allow
an
animal
hospital
on
0.32
acres
in
an
R2
Zone
and
is
the
applicant
with
us
this
evening
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
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Okay,
very
good
looks
like
we
have
no
hands
up
online
and
no
one
present
that
wants
to
testify
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
place
item
number
one
on
the
consent
agenda
and
then
the
other
item
eligible
for
consent.
Consideration
is
item
number
five.
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There
I
see
you're
the
applicant
on
this
project.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
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J
D
Thank
you
all
right,
we'll
go
ahead
with
the
remainder
of
our
agenda
this
evening.
The
first
item
is
item
number
two.
This
is
Dr
h22-345.
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Brent
Matthew
and
the
address
is
4306
West
State
Street.
This
is
an
appeal
of
the
design
review
committee's
approval
tour
of
an
existing
site
in
buildings
for
a
shelter
on
2.04
acres
in
a
c2d
Zone.
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself
from
this
item
and
hand
the
mic
off
to
commissioner
stead.
My
office
is
handling
the
site
and
landscape
design
for
this
particular
project.
So
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself.
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K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
before
you
tonight
on
the
appeal
of
drh-22-00345
at
4306,
West,
State
Street.
It
was
an
approval
for
rent
of
sight
and
building
Renovations
to
to
allow
a
shelter
home
to
move
on
to
the
property.
So
the
site
is
approximately
two
acres
in
size
as,
as
previously
mentioned,
it
is
located
on
State
Street,
very
near
the
intersection
with
Willow
Lane.
The
site
has
a
split
zoning
designation
of
c2d
and
r1c.
K
You
will
likely
recall
that
this
received
conditional
use
permit
approval
on
an
appeal
to
City
Council
in
April
of
this
year
and
then
subsequently,
the
applicant
submitted
their
designer
View
application
to
make
those
site
and
building
improvements
necessary
to
conduct
the
new
use
on
the
property.
So
I'll
start
with
an
overview
of
their
proposal
that
was
approved
by
the
designer
view
committee
and
then
move
on
to
the
appeal
grounds.
K
So
the
existing
site
does
contain
one
large
structure
that
was
previously
used
as
a
Salvation
Army
location.
There
is
a
smaller
accessory
building
towards
the
rear
of
the
property
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
to
to
reuse
these
buildings
for
the
shelter
home
use
along
with
that
are
associated
parking
lot.
Upgrades
building,
upgrades
Landscaping
upgrades
with
that
project
in
association
with
that
conditional
use
permit
that
was
approved.
K
The
applicant
has
worked
with
sold
waste
and
the
trash
collection
agency
to
ensure
that
the
standards
are
met
and
with
the
fire
department
for
the
fire
turnaround
in
the
rear
of
the
property
pedestrian
circulation
routes
have
been
provided
both
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
along
the
north
side
of
the
building.
Additionally,
that
enhanced
landscape
area
in
the
north
west
corner
of
the
property
has
a
pedestrian
path
and
seating
areas
for
use
of
the
occupants
of
the
site.
K
Answer
a
condition
of
approval
in
the
design
review
approval
was
to
ensure
that
the
required
110
bicycle
parking
spaces
are
provided
on
site.
The
proposed
locations
by
the
applicant
are
highlighted
here
in
blue.
There
is
a
location
along
the
north
property
line
and
then
at
the
front
of
the
building
and
again
they
will
have
to
demonstrate
with
their
construction
documents
that
those
quantities
have
been
met
in
areas
that
meet
city
of
Boise
standards
for
dimensionals
for
dimensional
standards,
foreign
with
the
project.
K
K
In
addition
to
that
along
the
rear
of
the
property
again
that
enhanced
landscape
area,
with
the
proceeding
for
the
use
by
the
residents
and
families,
some
new
trees,
retaining
the
existing
mature
trees
and
then
adding
shrubs
grass
areas
and
again
those
Associated
pedestrian
walkways
foreign
to
accommodate
the
proposed
use.
The
applicant
is
constructing
some
building
additions.
There
are
some
small
Locker
structures
proposed
along
the
north
side,
again
adjacent
to
that
emergency
access
drive
for
residents
belongings.
K
There
is
a
proposed
billing
Edition
on
the
North
side
near
the
East
end
of
the
building
to
accommodate
the
internal
needs
of
the
facility
and
then
a
proposal
for
a
small
addition
on
the
front
of
the
building
along
the
street
Frontage
foreign
for
building
design
and
elevations.
The
applicant
is
going
to
paint
and
repair
much
of
the
existing
building.
There
is
metal
siding.
There
is
CMU.
K
Some
perspectives
that
the
applicant
has
provided
both
from
the
front
of
the
building
and
then
also
in
the
rear
of
the
structure
again
highlighting
those
new
awnings,
the
landscape
areas
and
the
and
the
circulation
areas
around
the
building,
some
more
illustrations
of
the
lockers
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
that
smaller
accessory
building
that
is
being
repurposed
into
rooms
and
then
exterior
shots
of
the
building
and
that
enhanced
landscape
area
for
the
for
the
client's
use.
K
So
at
the
October
12
2022
design,
Review
Committee
hearing
the
design
view
committee
considered
the
application.
K
The
required
findings
for
approval
of
a
designer
view
permit
include
those
related
to
site
design,
the
impact
on
the
traffic
Network
landscaping
and
screening,
grading
and
drainage,
signage
and
utilities,
and
the
structure
design
in
that
the
building,
Mass
facades
materials
and
openings
in
the
facade
are
consistent
and
compatible
with
surrounding
structures
and
that
the
materials
are
of
equality
and
complement
the
surrounding
buildings
and
then
that
the
plans
do
comply
with
the
city-wide
design,
review,
guidelines
and
standards,
which
is
a
comprehensive
document
containing
building
and
site
design
requirements
for
properties
within
design.
Review.
K
Overlays
in
the
city
of
Boise,
thank
you.
After
the
design
review
committee's
approval,
we
did
receive
an
appeal
from
Brent
Matthew.
His
grounds
for
appeal
are
on
the
screen
here,
a
site.
He
cited
these
four
four
grounds
for
appeal
that
the
designer
view
committee
did
not
discuss
specific
recommendations,
but
the
recommendations
were
appropriate
and
would
improve
ifs
property
recommendations
would
benefit
the
neighborhood
in
which
I
reside
and
that
the
recommendations
would
cost
effectively
improve
privacy,
reduce
noise
and
protect
property
values.
Mr
Matthew
submitted
additional
materials
in
support
of
these
appeal
grounds.
K
He
is
here
tonight
and
will
expound
on
those
additionally
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association
submitted
an
appeal
with
these
grounds
for
appeal.
These
are
the
grounds
found
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
appeals
of
this
body's
decision
to
city
council
that
the
decision
is
in
violation
of
constitutional
state
or
city
law,
that
the
committee's
decision
exceeded
statutory
Authority.
K
K
The
planning
team
finds
that
the
design
Review
Committee
considered
all
relevant
application
materials.
They
considered
public
testimony
both
verbal
and
written
and
they
adequately
and
correctly
applied.
The
design
review
findings
found
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
approval
of
a
designer
view.
Permit
the
committee
adequately
considered
all
these
materials
deliberated
to
a
decision
and
their
decision
was
supported
by
substantial
evidence.
K
K
K
In
addition
to
these
conditions
of
approval
on
the
designer
view,
permit
this
property
and
application
is,
of
course,
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
included
in
the
conditional
use
permit
for
operational
facility.
There
are
extensive,
extensive
conditions
referencing
that
conditional
use
permit
approval.
Most
of
those
are
operational
in
nature,
where
there
were
requirements
of
the
cup
that
did
affect
the
site
design
and
the
design
review
application.
The
applicant
addressed
those
and
we
condition
them
as
necessary,
a
prime
example
being
that
bicycle
parking
requirement.
K
As
of
referenced
in
the
late
correspondence
memo
distributed,
commission,
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association
did
submit
a
due
process
objection
regarding
the
handling
of
the
two
appeal
applications.
We
did
receive
subsequent
applications.
We
received
an
initial
one
from
Mr
Matthew,
and
then
we
received
one
from
Veterans
Park
a
few
days
later.
K
K
The
planning
team
maintains
that
vpna
was
adequately
notified
of
this
hearing,
as
evidenced
in
their
own
materials
that
they
have
submitted
under
city
code.
Designer
View
Community
applications
are
open
records,
meaning
that
there
is
no
restriction
on
parties
of
record
or
news
information
submitted.
So
they
have
the
full
opportunity
to
submit
materials
to
you
tonight.
K
They
have
there's
a
number
of
materials
in
your
packets,
both
in
the
I
think
they're,
both
in
the
late
correspondence
packet,
but
they
will
also
be
given
time
to
testify
tonight,
equal
to
the
applicant,
the
appellant
and
the
appellant
as
dictated
city
code.
So
we
do
find
that
their
due
process
has
been
preserved.
They've
been
adequately
notified
and
allowed
to
comment
on
the
proposal
tonight.
K
Finally,
vpna
has
recommend
or
requested
to
submit
additional
written
materials
tonight
I
believe
they
have
those
with
them.
There
was
some
correspondence
received
from
the
Boise
Police
Department
after
the
late
correspondence
deadline
on
Thursday.
They
would
like
to
present
those
two
tonight,
so
they
will
make
that
request.
As
outlined
in
code.
You
will
need
to
vote
whether
or
not
to
accept
those
into
the
record
with
that
I
am
available
for
questions
and
I
know
that
the
applicant
and
appellants
are
here
and
ready
to
testify
as
well.
Thank.
I
You
Mr
Wilson.
Yes,
let's
please
start
with
the
appellant
Mr
Matthew.
L
I
begin
by
thanking
this
commission
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this,
and
I
would
also
express
my
gratitude
for
your
prior
denial.
The
application
based
on
my
beliefs
that
no
Desi
no
conditions
can
really
mitigate
the
impact
on
a
residential
neighborhood.
L
L
M
L
As
I
understand
the
design
presented
by
or
set
Architects
that
they're
going
with
a
minimum
standard
for
a
composite
perimeter
fence
to
eight
feet
in
height
and
why
I
say
minimum
is
my
understanding
of
the
materials?
Is
that
it's
kind
of
like
the
very
basic
minimum
that
meets
code
and
as
a
veteran
Parks,
neighborhood
association.
President
Katie
Decker
testified
before
the
design
Review
Committee,
it's
graded,
as
considered
like
poor,
or
about
minimum
for
noise
control,
and
in
in
this
instance,
noise
is
one
of
the
most
critical
issues
that
is
going
to
impact
the
neighborhood.
L
L
If
this
is
going
through,
we
need
a
better
fence
and
the
design
Review
Committee
did
not
specifically
address
that
other
than
mentioned
that
it
would
be
an
eight-foot
perimeter
fence,
but
they
did
not
specifically
speak
to
the
materials
of
that
fence,
which
is
one
of
the
main
basis
of
my
appeal.
I.
Don't
fully
understand
this
process,
I'm,
getting
better
educated
on
the
process
of
working
with
the
city
and
I
I
would
commend
City
staff
at
planning
and
zoning
and
being
very
helpful
and
courteous
in
me.
L
L
So
in
the
memo
and
as
I
think
Josh
Wilson
just
reviewed.
L
I'd
refer
to
number
one.
The
design,
Review
Committee
did
not
discuss
specific
recommendations
in
your
packet
here
and
I'd
like
to
read
one
specific
short
version
of
that.
L
L
No
discussion
or
consideration
given
to
the
impact
on
noise
that
that
material
could
have
that's
one
of
the
main
purposes.
That's
that
is
like
the
main
purpose
of
my
appearance
here
today
and
the
Appalachian,
and
the
appeal
is
to
ask
the
city,
through
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
to
consider
the
materials
and
Advocate
or
provide
for
better
materials
to
dampen
the
sound
and
and
help
with
the
harm,
harmonious
development
and
enjoyment
of
our
property
rights
and
help
protect
our
property
value.
And
one
specific
way
to
do
that.
L
That
I'm
advocating
is
that,
since
it
would
be
a
hardship
for
interface,
Sanctuary,
the
property
owner
to
to
fund
and
design
the
quality
of
perimeter
fence
I
would
propose
that
the
city
design,
fun
and
construct
and
maintain
a
masonry
fence
that
could
do
a
better
job
at
mitigating
noise.
L
L
L
Disrespect
of
any
person's
testimony
and
I
do
feel
that
this
whole
process
has
been
ex
very
disrespectful
of
my
neighbors
and
myself
in
our
testimony
were
made
out
to
be
the
opposition
and
the
bad
people
for
opposing
or
even
really
advocating
for
improvement.
L
So
I
really
want
to
go
on
record,
stating
that
the
city
needs
to
hold
to
that
standard
and
and
facilitate
meetings
that
allow
for
respectful
discourse
civil
conversation
and
that
pretty
much
sums
it
up.
If
you
have
any
questions
here,
I
am
thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
Matthew,
okay,
I
was
going
to
read
this
before
we
got
to
the
that's
it
for
now,
we'll
get
to
questions
in
a
few
more
speakers
so
feel
free
to
take
a
seat,
and
we
will
Circle
background
when
we
have
questions.
Thank
you.
I
was
going
to
read
this
before
we
started
the
public
testimony,
but
since
Mr
Matthew
brought
it
up,
I
figured
now
is
a
good
time.
I
If
you
attended
these
hearings
earlier
this
year
and
late
last
year,
you've
heard
this
before,
but
I
will
say
it
again.
Our
main
goal
tonight
is
to
have
a
fair
hearing
where
all
voices
are
heard
with
courtesy
and
respect,
and
so
we
have
a
couple
of
simple
rules
for
tonight's
hearing.
First,
do
not
call
out
cheer
clap
or
Heckle
from
the
audience.
Please
do
not
interrupt
the
speaker.
Everyone
will
get
a
chance
to
speak.
I
Second,
when
speaking,
please
address
your
comments
only
to
the
Commissioners
and
not
to
the
audience,
members,
the
applicant
or
the
city
staff.
If
we
receive
comments
with
raised
voices
or
profanities
that
are
disrespectful
to
the
commission,
to
the
staff
or
to
the
applicant,
we
will
stop
your
time
and
push
you
to
the
the
end
of
the
line
for
public
comments.
If
you
ask
a
question
the
app
the
applicant
may
choose
to
answer
your
question
during
their
rebuttal
time.
The
commission,
however,
cannot
answer
questions
during
the
testimony.
I
We
are
here
to
listen
to
all
the
evidence
and
make
a
decision.
We
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
item,
so
so
we
want
to
outline
a
few
things.
If
you
submitted
written
comments
ahead
of
the
hearing,
we
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
commission
has
read
them.
You
do
not
need
to
repeat
your
comments
verbally
tonight,
we'd
like
to
make
sure
we
hear
from
everyone
who
wants
to
speak,
but
do
not
need
to
hear
from
those
who
have
already
submitted
written
comments
and
out
of
respect
for
time.
I
We
don't
need
to
hear
the
same
comments
over
and
over
again,
we
plan
to
close
the
hearing
tonight
around
10
or
10
30
this
evening.
If
we
got
much
later,
it
makes
for
a
tough
deliberation,
so
none
of
us,
the
commission
staff
or
all
of
you
want
to
be
here
into
the
morning
hours.
This
is
why
we
ask
for
new
comments
and
new
information
on
the
record
and
this
evening,
and
so
that
we
hear
from
everyone
who
hasn't
submitted
written
comments
in
advance.
I
A
couple
of
other
things,
I
want
to
mention,
based
on
what
we
just
heard
from
the
appellant.
This
is
not
the
testimony
tonight
will
not
stop
this
project
from
happening.
We're
here
to
discuss
the
decision
made
by
the
design
review
committee,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
One
of
the
things
that
we
heard
that
we
just
heard
was
that
we
were
asked
to
deny
the
application.
I
That's
not
what
this
is
about
tonight,
we're
speaking
specifically
about
the
design,
review
committee's
opinion
or
decision
and
we'll
be
looking
at
the
specific
design
standards
required
by
our
code
and
I
was
here
for
all
of
those
hearings
previously,
and
there
was
quite
a
little
quite
a
bit
of
disrespect.
I
would
argue,
though,
that
it
wasn't
just
towards
the
neighbors.
It
was
on
both
sides
and
I.
Think
that's!
I
Our
culture
today
is
to
make
an
enemy
out
of
the
other,
so
we
will
proceed
tonight
with
respect
and
if
comments
get
off
topic,
I
will
interrupt
to
try
to
redirect
us
if
they're
not
relevant
to
the
design
review
committee's
decision,
then
we
I
will
ask
you
to
hold
your
comments
and
we'll
move
on
so
that
we
hear
the
relevant
topic
tonight.
I
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
that.
Little
house
cleaning
moment
there
and
next
we'll
move
on
I
know.
So
next
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
neighborhood
association,
but
I
know
that
there
is
some
information
that
they're
asking
you're
asking
for
us
to
review
so
I'm
going
to
just
ask,
because
you
have
a
one-page
summary
on
that.
Katie
I'll
take
the
summary
now
and
then
we'll
take
a
vote
on
whether
we
want
to
receive
the
additional
information
or
not
I.
N
Was
instructed
by
Josh
via
email
that
he
would
bring
that
up
without
me,
bringing
in
the
hard
copy
when
I
asked
by
hard
copy
I
do
have
slides,
showing
the
full
text
in
my
slideshow
that
I
can
show
you
I
would
say
the
one
page
summary.
I
N
I
N
And
so
I
provided
the
one-page
summary
in
the
cover
email
to
Josh.
Okay,
like
that
exists,
I
did
not
sure
and
hard
copy,
though.
N
I
N
I
Don't
know
how
that
works.
Well,
we
have
to
take
a
vote
to
add
it
to
the
written
record.
Okay
and
I
understand
that
there's,
maybe
additional
so
here's
a
question
for
James
I
think
that
there's
perhaps
the
public
has
information
to
add
to
do.
We
have
to
vote
on
each
one
separately,
or
can
we
like
vote
on
a
blanket
policy
for
the
night
or
how
does
that
work?
No.
O
Reviewing
the
information
during
the
hearing,
taking
a
recess
to
review
the
information
or
deferring
the
hearing
and
or
action
until
the
testimony
or
document
can
be
reviewed.
The
action
to
be
taken
on
such
requests
shall
be
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
review
body
membership
in
deciding
whether
or
not
to
accept
the
information.
The
review
body
shall
consider
Prejudice
to
other
parties
if
the
information
is
accepted.
O
So
that's
that's
a
quote
from
the
from
the
development
code.
As
far
as
receiving
substantial
information,
I
wouldn't
say
that
that
goes
for
for
every
slideshow.
Those
are
those
are
demonstrative
and
and
by
way
of
Aid
of
oral
testimony.
I
Okay,
I
would
love
to
hear
from
the
commission.
I
guess:
I
see
it.
As
you
know
the
like
a
slideshow,
we
see
where
we
accept
the
information,
but
does
some
with
somebody
else
like
to
share
an
opinion.
I.
I
We
would
love
to
see
your
presentation,
I
think,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
necessarily
means
that
it
would
be
part
of
the
written
record.
However,
any
verbal
testimony
that
you
make
tonight
becomes
part
of
the
written
record
is:
can
we
take
a
vote?
If
do
you
do
we
have
to
make
a
motion?
Can
I
just
call
for
okay?
Somebody
doesn't
make
much
Madam.
Q
Chair
commissioner,
Finn
frog,
I
think
I
understand
this
right.
I
move
that
we
deny
the
correspondent
the
late
correspondence
or
deny
the
correspondence
from
the
neighborhood
association
regarding
the
Willow
Lane
facility.
I
F
I
So,
unfortunately,
the
request
has
been
denied
to
accept
additional
written
material
up
here
tonight
or
add
presentations
to
the
record,
but
we'd
love
to
hear
your
testimony
and
see
your
presentation
and
you'll
have
10
minutes.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Thank
you,
foreign.
N
N
It
is
not
our
intent
to
re-liticate
this
cup
tonight.
We
understand
that
is
outside
the
scope
of
design
review
to
revoke
the
conditional
use
of
approval,
but
we
are
pursuing
that
that
separately
through
to
judicial
review,
but
on
design
review.
We
are
addressing
specific
design
elements
of
the
approval
and
recommending
updates
within
the
decision
authority
of
design
review.
N
Specifically
if
Boise
code
does
provide
the
design
review,
has
the
authority
to
ensure
that
conditions
of
approval
are
met,
ensure
that
standards
on
design
are
met.
For
example,
this
includes
minimizing
impact
on
residential
neighbors
and
traffic,
as
well
as
giving
a
broader
scope
to,
for
example,
limit
density
for
reasons
of
Public,
Safety,
health
or
diminution
of
property
values.
N
Most
notably
Veterans.
Park
has
been
unambiguously
informed
by
BPD
that
the
Willow
Lane
substation
will
not
be
reopened
on
Friday.
After
the
comment
deadline,
we
received
this
email
from
Jody
mccrosky,
the
BPD
chief
administrative
officer
with
the
following
response
to
our
question
on
whether
the
substation
would
reopen
quote.
N
N
Council's
approval
was
made
following
testimony
from
chiefly
describing
the
use
of
this
facility
with
regard
to
any
off-site
security
provided
by
Interfaith.
The
applicants
team
made
extensively
clear
at
city
council
that
they
have
no
plans
to
provide
off-site
security,
except
via
collaboration
with
police
resources.
They
also
made
clear
that
the
good
neighbor
agreement
would
not
provide
a
venue
for
agreeing
on
any
additional
off-site
security
measures
or
reviewing
on-site
security
that
could
impact
off-site
security.
N
It
is
inconsistent
with
the
purpose
and
objectives
of
this
code
to
carry
forward
the
approval
with
regard
to
site
Security
in
light
of
this
information,
an
additional
without
additional
conditions,
so
to
address
this
and
protect
the
reasons
of
Public,
Safety
health
and
diminution
of
property
values.
Vpna
has
the
following
proposed
conditions,
which
could
be
added
to
minimize
the
impact
on
adjacent
residences
and
protect
public
safety
and
health.
First,
you
can
add
a
condition
that
an
occupancy
permit
shall
not
be
granted
until
a
police.
Substation
is
is
operational
within
a
quarter
mile
of
the
site.
N
Two,
you
can
add
a
condition
that
the
applicant
provides
to
security
guards
through
a
third
party
company
to
patrol
a
half
mile
radius
around
the
site
at
all
times.
There
is
precedent
for
this
and
the
city's
contract
for
shelter,
services
at
the
hotel,
shelters
and
third,
you
could
reduce
the
proposed
density
of
the
shelter,
as
is
allowed
by
code,
to
address
Public
Safety,
for
example,
to
a
hundred
bed.
Family
Shelter.
N
The
second
piece
of
new
information
is
that
vpna,
through
getting
a
neighborhood
watch
program
set
up,
has
now
become
aware
that
the
enforcement
mechanisms
that
have
been
relied
upon
to
mitigate
impacts
of
transient
Vehicles
attracted
to
the
area,
namely
the
towing
contracts
and
the
parks
that
superintendent
Tomlinson
testified
to
on
November
15th
and
the
72-hour
parking
ordinance
are
both
not
enforced.
If
there
is
any
indication
that
the
vehicle
is
being
lived
in
again,
we
know
that
this
shelter
serves
fewer
people
than
interfaiths
current
operations.
N
They've
testified
that
they
typically
fill
up
each
night
and
turn
away
late
arrivals.
In
other
words,
it's
reasonable
to
expect
people,
camping
and
or
living
in
cars
and
proximity
to
the
proposed
shelter,
but
without
the
ability
to
tow
cars
parked
in
the
park
in
the
Willow,
Park
and
athletic
complex
Lots
overnight,
or
to
enforce
the
72-hour
parking
limits.
There's
no
way
to
enforce
restrictions
on
parking
in
this
area,
so
bpna
recommends
the
following.
N
Second,
to
address
the
issue
of
drawing
people
to
the
area
beyond
the
shelter's
capacity
to
serve
them,
we
recommend
adding
a
condition
to
allow
admission
by
referral
only
rather
than
by
walk-up
referrals
to
the
site
will
be
made
only
when
there
is
confirmed
shelter.
Capacity
available
and
reserved
referrals
can
be
provided
by
Street
Outreach
teams,
First
Responders
through
other
social
service
agencies
or
by
the
individual,
seeking
shelter,
calling
the
shelter
directly
or
calling
a
centralized
referral
system
such
as
coordinated
entry,
entry's
new
phone
line
in
Boise
to
be
clear.
N
Now,
moving
over
to
the
design
review
committee's
responsibility
to
ensure
that
design
complies
with
the
conditions
of
approval,
I'd
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
conditions
two
and
three
of
the
council's
approval
of
the
project.
These
two
constitutions
respectively,
require
that
the
facility
plans
and
specifications
or.
A
N
Well,
the
cup
specified
making
some
changes
to
separate
families
from
Singles
interface
team
brought
major
modifications
to
their
plans
to
design
review
with
many
changes.
Clearly,
not
driven
by
providing
extra
separation
for
families,
for
instance,
they
removed
the
day
shelter
building.
Well,
they
tout
the
added
exterior
space
available.
They
ignore
the
added
impact
on
adjacent
residents
of
of
the
noise
impact
from
converting
this
area
near
the
single
family
homes
to
high
intensity
outdoor
use
without
providing
meaningful
noise
mitigation.
N
The
kitchen
and
dining
areas
are
now
relocated
into
what
was
previously
the
separate
family
building
and
they
are
added
exterior
storage,
pods
relocation
of
private
rooms
to
an
unstaffed
building
and
the
family
rooms
have
been
reconfigured
to
have
less
privacy.
The
new
new
design
features
the
removal
of
Windows
and
solatubes.
This
is
a
material
change.
Removing
natural
light
in
these
rooms
only
provides
additional
impetus
for
guests
to
leave
the
site
and
enter
the
neighborhood
and
is
contrary
to
the
design
and
benefits
presented
to
a
council
and
conditioned
and
conditioned
to
per
conditions.
N
Two
and
three
these
changes
do
not
stem
from
new
requirements
imposed
by
other
conditions.
Therefore,
they
should
revert
to
the
September
2021
plans
in
order
to
comply.
The
design
failure
to
adhere
to
the
conditions
of
approval
constitutes
a
due
process
violation
when
we
have
been
denied
the
opportunity
to
confront
and
rebut
the
dubious
claims
that
these
design
aspects
mitigate
impact
on
the
burden
and
burden
on
the
cup
approval
criteria.
N
In
addition,
city
council
went
out
of
their
way
to
require
that
separate
spaces
be
provided
to
allow
families
with
children
to
remain
entirely
separate
from
the
single
adult
population
conditions.
9,
25
and
26
shown
here
require
separate
outdoor
spaces,
physically
separate
spaces
and
processes
for
intake
and
physical
barriers,
including
locked
doors
between
family
and
adult-only
households.
Accordingly,
we
recommend
the
following
modifications.
A
N
N
Second,
provide
security,
screening
and
intake
area
for
families
that
opens
directly
into
a
dedicated
family
space
without
traversing
through
the
single
Adult
Space.
Currently,
Interfaith
has
said
that
in
a
staff
escort
will
be
required
to
accompany
each
admission
from
security
screening
to
the
family,
shelter
and
third
provide
a
separate
de-escalation
room
in
the
family
side
of
the
shelter
in
accordance
with
condition
20c.
Currently,
it's
only
on
the
single
side.
N
A
N
I
B
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jeffrey
Wardle.
My
address
is
251
East,
Front
Suite
310
here
in
Boise.
So
one
year
ago
tonight
we
were
in
front
of
you
on
what
was
the
third
night
of
proceedings
before
this
body
on
this
application.
And
after
that
you
deliberated
for
several
hours.
There
was
an
appeal
to
the
city
council
and
the
total
deliberations,
questions
and
hearing
time
at
city
council
was
approximately
25
hours.
B
Significant
changes
happen
to
the
project
as
a
result
of
additional
conditions
that
the
city
council
adopted
and
imposed
tonight,
we're
in
front
of
you
on
an
appeal
of
the
design
review
committee's
approval
of
this
application
and
I
appreciate
this
body's
sensitivity
to
the
understanding
of
what
we're.
Here.
B
What
was
in
those
original
plans
that
you
reviewed,
contemplated
a
high
degree
of
flexibility
for
us
to
meet
the
need
of
overflow
guests
city
council,
specifically
eliminated
that
provision
of
the
project
established
a
firm
cap
on
the
number
of
guests
and
provided
additional
Direction,
yet
limited
capacity
to
205,
guest
plus
cribs.
It
identified
additional
procedures
on
the
intake
of
those
guests
and
Assurance
of
adequate
area
for
those
guests
to
spend
their
days.
B
It
also
provided
for
a
redesign
of
the
family
area
with
the
division
of
those
areas.
We
believe
that
the
modifications
that
we
have
made
have
greatly
improved
it,
consistent
with
the
conditions
that
the
city
council
imposed
to
address
the
issues
of
capacity
service,
families
and
security.
But
tonight
the
appellants
would
have
you
disregard
the
language
from
the
conditional
use,
permit
approval
which
says
as
mattified
by
and
there
were
material
modifications
that
were
made
in
the
course
of
those
25
hours.
B
So
tonight
the
only
issue
before
you
is
what
is
in
the
design
review
requirements,
what
guidelines
and
standards
are
applicable
and
the
manner
in
which
the
design
Review
Committee
failed
to
appropriately
apply.
Those
I
think
we've
already
heard
an
attempt
to
challenge
and
further
litigate
issues
that
were
fully
vetted
by
the
city
council.
There
was
extensive
discussions
about
the
substation
and
whether
or
not
it
would
ever
come
back.
B
B
R
Thank
you,
Jeff
Madam,
chair
and
commission
members,
Andy
erstad,
310,
North,
5th,
Street,
Boise
Idaho,
we're
here
in
the
appeal
mode
right,
so
we're
a
little
bit
in
on
the
defense.
R
I
guess
I
would
tell
you
that
design
review
made
all
of
the
correct
decisions
and
the
application
as
it
was
submitted,
met
the
city's
conditions
of
approval
I
think
we
had
30
something
36
conditions
of
approval,
a
couple
things
in
our
the
first
appellant
Mr
Matthew
made
a
comment
about
the
fence
around
the
perimeter
of
the
building
and
I
I
wanted
people
to
know,
and
this
was
actually
within
our
submission
to
design
review,
so
they
were
able
to
make
a
an
appropriate
decision.
The
the
fencing
that
we
are
proposing
is
an
acoustic.
R
R
We
are
at
an
eight
foot
tall
fence
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
of
the
property.
Nobody
goes
into
the
neighborhood,
everyone
enters
and
exits
onto
State
Street.
R
We
think
that
the
the
map,
the
the
fencing
that
we
selected
with
the
help
of
our
acoustical
consultants
and
our
Security
Consultants,
is
a
much
Superior
Solution
and
a
much
greater
benefit
to
the
neighborhood.
So
it
doesn't
look
like
a
concrete
block
wall
so
again,
I
think
there's
a
clarification
on
on
that.
That
may
may
help
and
I
I
know
these
are
complicated
applications
and
whatnot.
The
the
question
also
with
design
review
design
review,
does
not
their
their
purview
is
really
the
exterior
and
the
side
of
the
project.
R
They
are
not
going
to
drill
down
to
the
inner
workings
of
everything,
but
I
will
tell
you
a
couple
things.
The
the
conditions
of
approval
from
Council
all
were
greatly
influenced
by
the
neighbors
and
the
neighbors
request,
and
we
were
happy
to
be
able
to
meet
meet
those
requests.
Separation
of
populations
huge.
R
We
we
were
able
to
enhance
that
working
with
with
our
client
who
operates
this
Jody
Peterson
and
Interfaith
Sanctuary,
the
other.
The
other
thing
is:
we've
created
a
whole
number
of
security
separations
to
again
isolate
the
various
populations.
R
We
do
have
a
security
team
and
that
security
team
includes
some
pretty
lofty
resumes
around
the
world
and
we
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
security
and
that
security
is
both
internal
and
external
to
the
project,
and
so
we
feel
very
confident
that
what
we're
doing
is
again
in
response
to
many
of
the
neighbor's
concerns
the
the
other
thing
the
conditional
use,
the
application
that
was
was
denied
and
then
ultimately
appealed
up
to
council
and
approved
was
the
basis
of
many
of
the
comments
that
formed
those
conditions
of
approval
and
so
I
think.
R
From
that
perspective,
we
are
meeting
the
conditions
of
approval.
There
was
going
to
be
change
that
was
anticipated
to
be
changed
by
Boise
city
council
when
they
did
make
that
approval
and
we've
embraced
those
changes.
The
other.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
to
point
out
is
that,
with
the
separation
that
the
the
neighborhood
really
pushed
for
as
from
adult
to
families
with
children,
we
have
different
entrance
points
along
the
building.
You
know
the
the
single
adult
male
enter
on
the
West
Side,
the
families
in
or
on
the
east
side.
R
There's
a
great
amount
of
Separation.
There
was
concern
about
access
in
the
evening
that
access
is
office
off
of
State
Street.
It
goes
through
a
secured
salary,
a
secured
port
or
entry
point,
and
also
a
security
entry
point
for
the
single
males
as
well.
R
We
believe
that,
and
and
I
I've
been
around
this
block
a
few
times,
so
we
we
really
believe
that
the
design,
Review
Committee
reviewed
all
of
the
materials
and
made
the
absolute
right
decision,
and
we
also
feel
that
staff
under
certain
under
the
intense
scrutiny
that
this
project
has
gone
under,
left
no
stone
unturned
and
so
staffs
report
and
staff's
Analysis
and
staff's
review,
including
the
the
fencing
materials
that
we
identified,
the
materials
and
the
and
the
the
treatment
of
the
Aesthetics
on
the
exterior
were
were
met
and
they
met
the
intentions
of
the
city
of
city
council
and
it
gave
it
gave
design
review
confidence
in
their
decision
stand
for
questions.
R
I
Q
Thoughts
their
moment,
Madam
chair,
commissioner
I,
got
a
question
for
the
cities,
all
right,
Josh,
so
I'm,
looking
at
our
site,
specific
conditions
for
the
design
review
guidelines,
and
it
says
basically
that
everything
so
we
have
to
comply
with
all
the
requirement
requirements.
Excuse
me
of
cup
21-26,
so
everything
that
city
council
put
into
place
is
essentially
moving
forward,
along
with
the
other
recommended
conditions
that
the
design
committee
put
into
place.
Is
that
correct?
So
nothing
has
changed.
It's
just
enhanced
upon
Madam.
K
Chair
commissioner,
Finn
frock
correct.
Q
It's
also
for
Josh,
so
I
I
know
that
there's
now
going
to
be
an
eight
foot
composite
fence
that
is
going
to
be
put
around
the
parameter.
But
my
question
is
what
is
required
by
code?
Is
it
six
feet
or.
K
Madam
chair
commissioner
Finn
frock,
so
there
aren't
minimum
requirements
in
code
what
there
are
or
maximum.
So
if
this
was
a
residential
property
strictly,
it
would
be
limited
to
six
feet,
but
because
there's
a
commercial
property
with
a
general
exception
applied
to
the
entire
thing,
then
that
takes
away
that
six
foot
limit
so
that
eight
foot
fence
that
is
required
by
Council
has
a
condition
of
approval.
The
cup
can
be
accommodated
on
the
site,
but
there
is
not
in
code
or
the
design
guidelines,
a
minimum
fence.
K
You
know
that
there's
combinations
of
fencing
and
Landscaping
that
can
that
can
meet
the
buffer
requirements
and
design
guidelines,
but
there
wouldn't
be
like
certainly
not
specifications
of
offense
right
in
terms
of
sound
attenuation
or
anything
like
that.
Really.
K
I
I
S
I
Commissioner,
more.
S
So
I
think
this
is
a
question
for
the
city.
So
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
in
our
packet
about
the
internal
workings
of
the
building
on
what
exactly
in
terms
of
the
program,
what
does
design
review
take
into
account
for
internal
workings
of
the
building,
as
opposed
to
what's
separated
by
building
code
plan
review.
K
Madam
chair
commissioner
Moore,
so
the
designer
view
committee
does
not
and
and
beyond
that
the
city-wide
design,
standards
and
guidelines
do
not
dictate
for
plans
uses
of
areas
that
is,
as
you're
aware,
is
dictated
by
Building
Code
by
fire
code
by
the
various
Health
codes
that
govern
our
work.
So
the
design
Review
Committee
does
not
have
specific
guidance
in
the
guidelines
or
an
ordinance
about
what
takes
place
inside
the
building.
It
would
strictly
be
what
was
regulated
by
a
council
through
the
cup
and
then
apply
or
meeting
all
applicable
codes.
S
Manager,
commissioner,
more
and
so
just
to
follow
up
on
that
so
I
know
part
of
a
design
review.
Application
is
a
building
plan
like
floor
plans.
Is
that
just
to
provide
kind
of
context
to
the
building
on
site?
Is
that
kind
of
the
intent.
K
You'd
be
surprised
a
lot
of
times
you
get
a
floor
plan,
there's
Windows
where
there
shouldn't
be
or
or
they
don't
match
up,
so
that's
to
confirm
that
the
elevations
they
provide
are
correct.
Thank
you.
T
U
I've
got
some
process
or
procedural
questions,
since
that
seems
to
be
much
of
the
concern
from
the
appellants,
so
starting
with
the
neighborhood
association,
the
way
I
understand
it.
Their
appeal
was
filed
after
the
10-day
period.
Is
that
correct.
K
Mount
chair
commissioner
Mooney.
That
is
not
correct.
It
was
the
second
appeal
that
was
filed,
so
we
just
received
an
initial
appeal
from
Mr
Matthew
and
then
Veterans
Park
filed
an
appeal
three
or
four
days
later,
but
it
was
within
the
10-day
appeal
period.
U
Okay,
great
the
so
the
fall
into
that
is
with
multiple
Appeals
in
the
staff
report
we
obviously
dealt
are
you're.
You
and
your
staff
dealt
with
Mr
Matthew's
concerns
from
his
his
appeal.
The
question
is:
why
weren't
the
neighborhood
association's
concerns
also
covered
in
the
staff
report.
K
Madam
chair
commissioner
Mooney,
so
there
are
not
prescriptive
standards
in
code
about
what
is
included
in
the
staff
report,
our
it.
The
code
is
a
little
unclear
about
multiple
appeals.
Certainly
so
our
standard
practice
is
that
the
first
appeal
has
standing
as
appellant.
The
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association
submitted
their
materials
of
well,
which
were
included
in
your
packet
and
presented
tonight,
so
they
have
the
same
opportunity
as
the
appellant
as
the
primary
appellant
to
provide
that
information.
K
You
know,
hindsight
being
what
it
was.
Probably
shouldn't
have
accepted
their
appeal
application
honestly,
but
that's
kind
of
some
process
things
we
can
work
through
on
our
side.
T
I
U
So
I
guess
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
then
for
the
Appellate
Mr
Matthew.
So
it
sounds
like
much
of
your
concern
is
regarding
when
the
public
comes
forward
to
the
design,
Review
Committee
or
to
this
body
with
suggested
improvements
that
you
you've
come
up
with.
In
this
case,
it's
the
fencing
in
the
in
that
area
in
the
northwest
corner.
U
L
No
I
would
be
saying
that
There's
an
opportunity
here
to
improve
the
site
design,
specifically
the
perimeter
fence,
as
it
relates
to
noise
affecting
my
neighborhood
and
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
code
or
zone,
or
an
attorney
that
can
speak
to
the
process
of
design
review.
L
U
And
I
think
that
answers
my
question.
So
what
I
was
what
I
was
searching
for
and
I
appreciate
your
consideration
for
the
neighborhood
and
coming
forward
and
doing
that?
What
I
was
looking
for
was
kind
of
a
limiting
principle
that
we
as
a
as
a
body,
do
we
listen?
U
I
Please,
commissioner,
Minnie.
U
The
close
the
the
substation
Katie
the
question
I
have
regarding
that
was
that,
from
my
way,
I
understand.
Your
rationale
is
that
that
changes,
the
design,
the
fact
that
that
substation
is
long
no
longer
there
is
functionally
part
of
the
cup.
So
my
question
is
which
one
of
the
30
cup
conditions
does
that
substation
affect.
N
There's
a
cop
condition
that
it
follow:
Boise,
Police,
Department's,
written
memo
and
Boise
Police
Department's
written
memo
included
a
note
that
no
matter
where
the
shelter
were
located,
a
police
substation
nearby
would
be
necessary.
N
So
it
plays
into
the
security
plan
which
is
outside
of
public
review.
But
it
was
clear
from
city
council
deliberations
that
they're
not
planning
on
having
requiring
ex
privately
hired
site
security
to
be
provided
on
the
behalf
of
the
applicant
and
I
think
in
light
of
what
we
Now
understand
about
the
conditions
which
was
not
the
understanding
when
City
Council
made
those
deliberations
that
specific
security
measures
should
be
enacted.
Okay,.
U
So
much
of
the
Public's
concern
seems
like
is:
is
the
council
and
in
our
our
view
here
a
year
ago?
Was
that
mitigation
is
in
the
design
and
that's
kind
of
how
Council
developed
additional
conditions
that
that
the
elected
council
members
were
comfortable
with?
So
this
is
a
subjective
ruling.
It
seems
that
at
some
point
the
design
is
not
what
council
ruled
on
and
the
conditions
there
are
30
conditions.
K
Madam
chair
commissioner
you're
right,
it
is
a
there
is
a
distinction
between
design
and
function.
Certainly,
some
of
council's
conditions
did
directly
apply
to
the
design
review
process
and
the
design
of
the
site
and
structure.
Things
like
you
know,
making
sure
that
the
entrances
are
separated.
That's
absolutely
a
building
design
factor
right.
The
eight
foot
fence
I
mean
these
are
physical
design
factors,
but
there
are
certainly
a
number
of
conditions
that
Council
considered
and
put
on
the
application
that
do
not
have
anything
to
do
with
the
design
review
application.
U
V
V
I
have
a
good
question
for
Miss
dagger.
If
I
can,
thanks
for
being
here,
I
wouldn't
just
make
sure
I
understand
the
premise
of
your
argument.
Following
up
on
commissioner
Mooney's
question
I
think
I
get
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it
and
I
think
the
gist
of
your
argument
is
that
you're
arguing
that
design
review.
V
Essentially
they
they
they
sort
of
failed
in
the
sense
that
they
were
missing
information
and
that
the
chain
such
as
the
substation,
for
example,
and
that
the
the
the
application
has
changed
in
some
material
ways
that
their
mitigation
or
the
design
standards
I
should
say
that
they
applied,
are
essentially
enacting
on
a
different
application
than
what
was
put
in
fourth
put
forth
by
the
council
a
year
ago,
and
so
it's
not
necessarily
that
they
aired
but
they're
missing.
V
Some
things
and
you're
asking
us
to
put
some
additional
conditions
on
their
findings
because
of
the
changes
that
have
been
had
from
council's
decision
to
this
tonight.
I
think
I,
probably
butchered
that
didn't
I
foreign.
N
So
I
want
to
clarify
that
when
I
filed
the
appeal
within
10
days
of
the
October
hearing,
I
was
unaware
that
there
would
not
be
a
Boise
Police
Station.
So
that
was
not
part
of
the
grounds
for
appeal,
but
because
the
record
remains
open.
I
felt
that
it
was
important
to
add
to
the
record,
as
I
would
have
added
that
to
the
design
review
record
had
I
had
the
opportunity,
because
again,
I
think
it's
very
relevant
and
wasn't
available
to
council.
N
I.
Do
think
that
design
review
aired
in
in
not
addressing
the
many
ways
in
which
the
design
deviates
from
the
previously
provided
design,
which
was
made
a
condition
of
approval.
So
I
do
understand
that
design.
Review
very
frequently
has
swings
and
changes
in
the
design
from
what
was
previously
approved
under
the
conditional
use.
But
in
this
instance,
Council
made
the
design
a
condition
of
approval,
got.
I
Josh,
do
you
so
do
you
feel
like
design
reviews
decision
like
burdens,
the
conditions
that
Council
put
on
this
application.
K
Madam
chair
I
may
not
fully
understand
your
question.
I'm
sorry.
I
K
Madam
chair
I
guess.
My
impression
of
their
argument
is
that
what
the
applicant
has
proposed
has
changed
since
Council
and
therefore
doesn't
comply
with
the
council's
approval.
I
would
just
pause
it
that
multiple,
so
applications
at
the
cup
levels
are
not
developed
to
the
to
the
extent
that
window
locations,
materials,
colors
things
like
that
are
identified.
They
will
always
change
going
through
design
view
process,
Council,
May,
specific
recommendations
and
requirements.
Reducing
the
number
of
beds
allowed
reduce
the
need
for
how
much
space
they
had.
K
They
had
some
programmatic
changes
that
changed
the
design
you
know
so
certainly
it
is
not
the
intention
of
counsel
in
that
condition
that
this
application
come
to
design
review
with
exactly
what
was
proposed
at
the
cup.
These
evolved.
There
are
conditions
to
meet
and
they
do
change.
Yes,.
I
I
Okay,
if
there
are
no
further
questions
from
the
commission,
we
all
take
five
minutes
before
we
move
into
public
testimony.
So
we'll
return
here
at
about
7
17.
I
We're
all
up
here,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
again.
So
I
have
a
sign
up
list
up
here:
hey
folks,
we're
gonna
get
started
again.
Sorry
to
interrupt
the
conversation
we
are
I
have
a
sign
up
list
here.
So
let's
start
Mr
Matthew
you're
at
the
top
of
this
list,
but
my
guess
is
that
was
you're.
This
was
the
sign
up
sheet
and
UCS
okay,
perfect.
So
we
have,
if
you
all,
don't
as
I
call
your
name,
we'd
love
to
cue.
I
Then
we
have
Paul
on
Willow
Lane
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
hear
from
Connie
Seward
and
Gretchen
Hoyt.
So
if
Connie
and
Gretchen
want
to
just
come
right
on
up
so
we
can
keep
it
moving.
That
would
be
great.
I
P
P
We
have
had
problems
on
will
Lane
with
the
vehicles
that
are
being
lived
in
by
people
and
I
was
absolutely
astounded
at
how
ineffective
the
Boise
Police
Department
is
in
addressing
that
issue.
It's
not
because
they
don't
want
to
it's,
not
because
they
don't
try.
They
don't
have
the
laws,
they
don't
have
the
Manpower
and
they
have
zero
commitment
from
the
city
to
manage
this
issue.
P
If
it
happens
in
our
neighborhood,
the
buy
appointment
design
would
be
much
preferred
for
me
and
if
we
don't
have
spillage
of
cars
across
Willow
Lane,
it's
I
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
for
you
to
review
that
policy.
It
is
amazing
how
little
defense
we
have
against
cars
that
are
lived
in
by
people
on
our
street
that
will
essentially
never
be
took.
P
P
F
P
Was
mentioned
earlier
as
an
issue
related
to
the
design
and
the
spillage
from
the
facility
related
to
security.
That
was
my
point.
Actually,
all
I
really
wanted
to
do
is
become
a
party
of
record
for
a
later
date.
So
good
luck!
Thank
you,
sir.
This
is.
I
W
S
I
O
Chair
members
of
commission,
thank
you
for
the
record.
James
Smith,
Deputy
City
attorney
just
one
point
of
clarification.
As
far
as
as
far
as
testimony
and
I'll,
if
you'll
indulge
me,
I'll
quote
again
from
from
development
code
that
the
the
record
shall
be
fully
developed
at
the
commission
level
and
so
to
the
extent
that
that
this
commission
is
asked
to
to
sustain
the
appeal,
deny
the
appeal
or
modify
the
decision
and
any
conditions
in
it
that
the
record
shall
be
fully
developed
and
also
with
that.
O
O
Code
goes
on
to
say
that
the
decision
that
is
here
designer
view
committee's
decision
is
accorded
weight.
To
the
extent
it
is
the
result
of
the
application
of
special
administrative
and
Technical
expertise.
O
So
just
while
I
realize
we're
not
at
deliberations
yet
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
out
there,
and
so
that
the
record
is
clear.
That
development
code
does
not
require
a
finding
of
error
in
order
for
this
body
to
sustained,
deny
or
or
modify
the
decision
below.
I
W
Seward
my
address
is
in
the
signed
record.
Please
consider
this
application
as
an
incomplete
application,
exterior
and
interior
design.
This
application
includes
pets,
but
has
omitted
any
designated
pet
areas.
There
are
no
temperament
and
disease
pre-screening
and
holding
areas,
no
exercise
yards,
kennel,
crate
or
quarantine
areas.
There
are
no
areas
for
sanitary,
relieving,
secured
feeding
or
storage
of
prescriptions
disinfectants
and
food
two
years
in
and
no
spot
for
spot
current
applicant
allows
a
few
pets.
W
At
a
time,
however,
both
applicants
and
City
staff
have
indicated
intent
to
follow
best
practices,
recommendations
to
include
unlimited
pets,
shelters
following
these
recommendations
are
currently
hosting
up
to
200
pets
per
night
guest
pets,
often
lack
adequate
Veterinary
Care
pets
enter
the
shelter
and
diverse
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
lacking
in
necessary
vaccines
such
as
rabies,
parvovirus,
distemper,
Bordetella
and
others.
These
pets
are
also
highly
likely
to
be
untreated
for
parasites.
W
Unless
carriers
of
fleas
tapeworms
might
mange
round
worms,
hookworms
and
more
all
of
these
parasites
can
infect
humans
as
well,
especially
those
most
vulnerable
by
age
or
compromised
immunity.
These
diseases
and
parasites
can
infect
the
wildlife
within
the
green
belt
and
Wetland
Corridor
and
Beyond.
Once
deposited
in
soil,
some
of
these
diseases
and
parasites
are
nearly,
if
not
impossible,
to
eradicate
currently
applicant
rebrands
guests,
Pets
As
service
or
Companion
Pets.
These
pets
are
then
allowed
to
move
freely
in
group,
eating
cooking
showering
and
sleeping
areas.
W
This
is
a
huge
concern
for
disease
spreading
to
both
guests
and
other
animals
under
the
designation
of
service,
companion
or
animals.
These
rebranded
pets
are
also
Allowed
by
law.
In
most
public
and
private
places.
Public
areas
such
as
Parks
schools,
libraries,
businesses
and
transportation
are
at
risk
of
unmedical
negative
impacts
for
the
health
and
safety
of
the
guests,
their
pets,
the
neighborhood
and
the
community.
W
In
addition
to
feeding
and
quarantine
times,
a
relieving
station
with
disposable,
Solid
Waste
bags,
closed
lid
trash
receptacles
hand,
sanitizer
and
water
hose
for
rinsing
hard
surfaces,
Lock
storage
for
medications
and
disinfectants,
pest
free
food
storage,
container
area
cat
litter
box
stations
both
indoors
and
Outdoors.
With
a
closed
lid,
trash
containers
and
sanitation
stations
nearby,
all
outdoor
pet
areas
should
be
located
away
from
neighboring
residences
or
businesses.
This
includes
the
intake
lines
where
pets
should
be
pre-screened
time.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
Mr,
and
we
don't
have
your
address.
If
you
can
state
that
again,
please
it
is
2421
joretta.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
please
miss
Gretchen
and
then
we'll
hear
from
David
burgert
and
then
Dave,
Ellis
and
then
Brian
ertz.
X
Gretchen
Hoyt
891
North,
Lander
Street
I
am
0.2
miles
from
the
proposed
shelter.
I've
been
a
nurse
for
30
years.
First
I
stand
in
support
of
Brett
Matthews
appeal
for
a
better
fence,
although
that
sounds
like
that
has
been
handled.
Secondly,
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
shelter
guests
who
will
be
in
the
medically
fragile
area.
The
Idaho
Department
of
Health
and
Welfare,
confirmed
to
me
last
week
that
they
do
not
have
oversight
in
the
shelter
what
patient
care
standards
will
be
in
place
and
who
will
oversee
and
enforce
these
standards.
X
Medications
needed,
especially
by
the
hospice
patient,
are
narcotics
and
other
Controlled
Substances.
How
will
they
be
handled
safely?
The
updated
floor
plan
now
has
three
bathrooms
for
21
patients.
The
city
approved
12
people
using
three
bathrooms,
but
that
now
ratio
has
now
doubled.
I
do
not
see
how
26
21
sick
people
can
be
accommodated
by
three
bathrooms
number
three,
since
the
Interfaith
cup
approval
the
homeless
traffic
in
Willow,
Lane
Athletic
Park
has
increased
substance
eventually,
as
have
my
personal
calls
for
service
which
have
gone
up
75
since
June.
Two
of
those
six
calls
were
critical.
X
One
concern
to
Growing
homeless
camp
near
the
boat
ramp
at
Willow
Lane
that
took
over
a
week
to
clear
public,
defecation,
urination
and
intoxication
outpace,
the
accumulating
litter.
The
other
call
was
a
near-death
narcotics
overdose
20
feet
from
my
home
on
city
property.
The
mayor
was
informed
of
both
of
these
occurrences.
I
am
acutely
aware
that
none
of
the
conditions
placed
on
the
shelter
cup
approval
would
have
changed
the
need
for
any
of
these
calls.
X
I
commend
the
majority
of
this
p,
z
and
Z
commission
for
realizing
early
on
that,
even
with
conditions,
mitigating
many
adverse
effects
from
the
proposed
shelter
to
surrounding
properties
is
impossible,
and,
lastly,
I
take
umbrage
with
the
umbridges
that
have
been
tossed
around
repeatedly
during
these
hearings.
I
am
not
a
member
of
any
group.
I
have
never
been
opposed
to
the
shelter
or
their
guest
at
the
proposed
show.
State
Street,
Street
location
I
remained
against
the
low
barrier
population
in
any
residential
area.
Many
people
that
have
testified
I
believe
feel
the
same.
X
I
also
personally
put
forth
a
clear
alternative
concept
to
the
current
model
for
the
shelter
over
on
January
28th
of
this
year.
That
plan
was
sent
to
over
a
hundred
people
in
this
process.
Not
only
was
it
apparently
disregarded.
Only
one
person
responded
to
me
as
a
resident
of
Boise
for
over
36
years.
I
am
demoralized
and
deeply
saddened.
X
I
personally
do
not
have
the
wherewithal
to
take
a
sabbatical,
and
if
I
did,
I
would
return
to
a
home
and
a
life
that
is
being
impacted
by
adverse
effects
and
a
continuing
need
for
calls
for
service
related
to
a
shelter
that
is
not
even
here
yet
I.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
I
was
here
a
year
ago
and
I
followed
this
very
closely.
I
Thank
you
so
next
we'll
hear
from
David
Berger
and
then
Dave
Ellis.
T
One
after
the
other
live
on
4837
West,
Willow,
Lane
Boise
and
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
and
I'm
gonna
go
off
track
here.
I'm
just
going
to
say
the
impact
on
this
to
our
neighborhood
has
been
substantial.
It
has
just
created
so
much
consternation.
T
So
much
concern
to
our
neighbors.
We've
had
friends
that
have
left
they've
got
to
move
that
just
left
because
they
couldn't
stand
the
stress
we
can't
sleep
at
night.
This
thing
has
been
a
disaster
for
us
and
I
know.
This
is
not
the
mission
that
you're
out
for
tonight,
but
it's
for
a
moment
for
me
to
just
vent
that
we're
just
really
extremely
saddened.
By
this
whole
thing.
Y
Okay,
I'm
a
little
I'm
gonna,
be
a
little
off
the
side
side
here,
but
so
I'm
new
to
this
process.
I
first
of
all,
David
Ellis
address
is
one
three
zero
five
two
NOS
Road
in
Lake
Oswego,
Oregon
I'm
here
tonight,
because
we
bought
the
Flying
Pie
Pizzeria
building
next
door
in
April
of
this
year,
June
April
of
22.,
the
first
notification
that
I
received
that
this
design
review
was
going
on
was
in
late
September.
Y
So
we
bought
the
building
in
April.
September
I
get
notification
that
there's
a
homeless
shelter
going
in
next
door.
So
that's
run
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
in
this
process.
Since
then,
I've
learned
a
tremendous
amount
about
the
process
and
what
you
guys
have
gone
through,
I
understand
it.
I'm
in
the
commercial
real
estate
world
I've,
been
in
the
business
for
37
years
and
I
would
just
say
that
this
is
going
to
have
a
huge
economic
impact
on
the
Flying
Pie
Pizzeria
next
door.
Y
Y
I
am
concerned
that
when
you
or
I,
or
any
of
us,
bring
our
kids
or
grandkids
to
that
location
that
they're
going
to
be
met
with
some
eye-opening
situations,
so
I
came
into
town
on
yesterday,
specifically
for
this
meeting
and
I
didn't
know
anything
about
interface
sanctuary
drove
over
there
sat
in
my
car
and
watched
a
series
of
events
again.
I
know
nothing
about
Interfaith.
Y
A
gentleman
pulled
his
pants
down
and
defecated
in
the
in
the
alleyway
50
feet
from
me.
Another
gentleman
climbed
over
a
fence
that
look
to
be
have
barbed
wire
on
it
of
some
sort.
I
then
drove
around
to
a
side
street
again
I'm
there.
Five
minutes,
I
drove
around
to
the
dead
end
cul-de-sac
to
the
back
of
the
building
and
was
scared
to
death.
Y
To
get
out
of
my
car
and
all
I'm
going
to
say
is
I
hope
that
you
can
address
the
security
and
and
I
know
real
estate
and
I
know
design
review,
and
if
you
approved
a
conditional
use
permit
with
with
with
conditions
and
those
conditions,
aren't
met,
particularly
the
security
conditions
aren't
met.
That's
a
big
problem
and
it's
going
to
cause
heartburn
from
my
tenant
again.
I
would
just
say
the
first
time
a
child
or
a
daughter
or
a
son.
A
young
person
gets
accosted
in
that
parking
lot.
Y
Y
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Mr
Alice
next,
we'll
hear
from
Brian
ertz
and
then
Kelly
Hawkins
and
then
Jody
Peterson.
Z
I
represent
Veterans
Park,
neighborhood
association.
I
just
want
to
quote
the
second
and
third
conditions
of
approval.
The
facility
shall
comply.
The
facility
shall
comply
with
plans
and
specifications
submitted
to
and
on
file
in
the
planning
and
development
services
department
dated
received
April,
28
2021
and
the
revised
project,
drawings
and
letter
dated
September,
28
2021,
except
as
modified
herein.
Z
That's
germane
to
approve
the
design,
review,
approval
criteria,
one
and
two
unreasonable
economic
hardship.
Another
is
the
Western
entry
which
didn't
exist
before
but
which
now
exist
directly
on
face
with
the
previous
member
of
the
public,
the
Flying
Pie
Pizzeria,
so
that
change
in
the
design
will
have
a
material
impact
economic
impact
to
him
in
a
way
that
it
didn't.
Z
Has
been
removed
from
sleeping
in
other
areas
by
the
removal
of
29
solar
tubes.
Now
only
20
percent
of
beds
have
daylight
again
that's
going
to
encourage
people
to
leave
during
the
day,
whereas
before
it
was
argued
by
the
applicant
themselves,
that
daylight
would
encourage
them
to
stay
that
would
mitigate
those
adverse
impacts.
That's
a
design
feature
that
has
an
appreciable
impact
on
unreasonable
economic
hardship.
That's
going
to
be
felt
by
the
neighborhood
and
members
of
the
neighborhood
association.
Z
Foreign
families
are
no
longer
in
their
own
separate
building,
there's
no
longer
staff
that
are
supervising
people
in
the
same
building.
That's
a
design
feature
by
separating
those
into
separate
buildings,
there's
no
more
Reliance
on
a
supervisory
role
of
Staff.
Ensuring
that
impacts
don't
take
place
both
within
and
outside
with
that.
Well
I'll.
Also
just
mention.
Z
I
Mr
it's
okay,
Kelly,
Hawkins
and
then
Jody,
Peterson,
steiger's
and
then
Dan
fank.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
You'll
have
three
minutes:
hi.
AA
There,
my
name
is
Kelly
Hawkins
I
am
residing
at
13052
NOS
Road
in
Lake
Oswego
Oregon.
I,
too,
am
impacted
by
this
because
we
purchased
the
building
that
Flying,
Pie
Pizzeria
is
is
renting
from
us,
and
I
could
not
say
it
any
more
clearer
than
David
Ellis
did
so
I'm
gonna
spare
you
all
of
it,
but
you
heard
him
loud
and
clear
and
that's
exactly
how
I
feel
thank
you.
Miss
Hawkins.
AB
Hi
Jody
Peterson's,
Dikers,
1620,
West,
River,
Street
I,
am
the
executive
director
of
NFA,
sanctuary
and
I.
Think
for
me,
I
just
want
the
Commissioners
to
understand
about
the
thoughtfulness
of
the
design
of
this
building
and
I'm
scared
about
the
misunderstandings
and
the
facts
that
are
not
facts
that
sometimes
hang
in
this
process
and
so
important
to
this
building
is
that
24
7
aspect?
This
is
a
building
that
was
designed
to
keep
people
safe
and
sheltered
during
the
day
and
night
if
they
so
choose.
AB
AB
Lounge
is
in
the
open
back
area
where
there's
a
playground
and
green
space
and
a
huge
Park
and
the
dining
areas
that
are
designated
for
single
adults
and
single
women
with
big
doors
that
open
up
so
that
outdoor
kind
of
feels
indoor
too
there's
a
dedicated
staff
of
family
case
management
in
a
separate
building
with
a
separate
entrance,
there's
dedicated
staff
for
single
men
and
women.
There
are
classrooms
for
Recovery
well-being,
preschool
teen
activities,
art
and
music.
This
is
a
place
that
doesn't
have
a
line
because
it's
open,
24
7..
AB
AB
AB
They
keep
that
business
open.
There's
a
beautiful
relationship
within
that
pizza
place
and
we
have
guests
who
are
employable
and
would
be
happy
to
work
at
a
pizza.
Parlor
would
be
happy
to
work
at
a
restaurant
and
they
are
very
useful,
they're
very
eager
to
get
back
to
work.
These
are
people
who
have
chosen
shelter,
they've
chosen
to
take
steps
to
get
back
to
permanent
housing,
get
back
to
employment.
So
please
remember
ersted,
designed
this
building
to
create
a
home
for
our
unhoused
because
they
deserve
it.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
Miss
Peterson,
Strikers
next,
we'll
hear
from
Dan
Fink,
Bridge,
sober
and
then
Ming
Corin,
maybe
Mary
Corn,
of
course,
hi
Mr
Finn.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
Daniel.
F
Think
943
North
Haynes
Boise
in
the
words
of
the
late
great
Yogi
Berra.
This
feels
like
deja,
vu
all
over
again
I'm
hearing
a
long
laundry
list
of
complaints
of
fears
of
accusations
that
are
the
same
thing
that
we
heard
the
first
time
and
that
we
heard
in
city
council
again
and
none
of
it.
None
of
it
is
relevant
because
essentially
we're
hearing
at
a
request
to
relitigate
relitigate
a
case,
and
that's
not
the
issue.
That's
before
us
this
evening,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
neighbors
the
neighborhood
association
who
are
fighting.
F
We've
crossed
that
bridge:
that's
water,
underneath
the
bridge.
We
want
to
care
for
our
people
at
Interfaith,
we
care
for
our
guests,
and
we
have
worked
diligently
with
counsel
with
design
to
do
just
that.
Our
design
is
there
and
has
been
modified
again
and
again,
to
speak
to
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
Fink,
so
rich
is
up
next.
Thank
you
and
then
I
think
it's
Mary,
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
Mary,
okay,
moving
right
along
then
we
have
Karen
Shriver,
maybe
on
Garnett
Street
and
then
Katie,
Decker
and
then
David
shurtleff
are
any
of
these
folks
here.
I
Are
you
Karen?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
Karen
and
then
once
so.
Those
are
the
only
two
folks
that
I
have
left
here,
we'll
go
to
Just
hands
or
just
come
right
on
up
to
the
podium
after
that,
if
you're
online
and
you'd
like
to
testify,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
once
we're
through
all
the
folks
here
in
person,
we'll
move
to
the
online
testimony.
N
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
stereotypes
among
the
homeless
Community,
as
well
as
toward
the
homeless
community
and,
from
my
perspective,
I've
spoken
with
a
lot
of
families
who
are
looking
for
a
solely
family
shelter.
When
I
told
him,
I
had
heard
testimony
from
multiple
neighbors
asking
for
this
to
be
a
family
shelter,
he
was
surprised.
N
I
You
Miss
Decker,
thank
you
and
then
the
last
time.
I
sign
up
list
is
David,
shurless
shirtless
and
then,
if
there's
anybody
else,
I
would
like
to
testify.
Now
is
the
time
to
please
come
on
up
to
the
podium
and
queue
up.
Please
pull
that
microphone
down
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
hear
you
that
one!
Yes,
there
you
go,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
You'll
have
three
minutes.
AC
AC
11-0204.1
specifies
that
the
design,
Review,
Committee
duties,
jurisdictions
and
Authority
are
to
quote
protect
property
rights
and
values.
Development
of
the
land
does
not
impair
or
preclude
an
orderly
and
harmonious
development
of
the
community
and
assures
General
appearances.
Well.
As
far
as
the
general
appearances
part
of
that
are
concerned,
there's
no
question
that
the
erstad
Architects
design
is
a
primary,
a
great
Improvement
of
the
existing
building
and
would
be
a
great
enhancement
to
any
neighborhood.
AC
However,
the
several
days
of
testimony
and
pnz
and
city
council
indicate
that
the
four
neighborhood
associations
do
indeed
oppose
this
this
project,
so
what
I
have
to
do
is
show
where
perhaps
the
design
Review
Committee
failed,
and
it
would
seem
that
there
really
are
no
amount
of
conditions
that
can
mitigate
all
of
the
problems
that
come
up.
AC
One
big
problem-
and
this
this
is
a
difficult
one
for
the
architect
to
design-
is
the
lack
of
space
for
parking,
and
we
know
that
as
the
years
go
on
and
the
conditions
of
approval
perhaps
are
less
well
enforced.
Then
you'll
see
parking
not
just
on
site,
but
you'll
see
parking
around
in
front
of
the
neighborhoods
on
Plum
Plum
Street
and
along
Wiley
Lane.
AC
So
that's
that's
the
intent
of
what
I
have
to
say
that
we
believe
that
the
design
Review
Committee
needs
to
reconsider
some
of
these
things.
Thank
you.
I
AD
Just
real
quickly,
can
you
hear
me
is
my
audio
working?
Yes
yeah?
My
name
is
Gary
zorman
I
live
on
Plum
Street
at
the
October
hearing
committee
members
and
Interfaith
remark.
They
didn't
see
how
internal
design
mattered,
calling
it
out
of
purview
and
a
distraction
they're
wrong.
The
interior
design
does
not
need
best.
AD
Removal
of
natural
light
from
solar
tubes,
unless
windows
will
increase
sense
of
crowding
and
is
detrimental
to
mental
health,
is
clearly
shown
in
lenninger's
paper
interior
design
in
the
realm
of
Social
Services
housing,
the
homeless,
these
unsafe
and
crowded
feelings
are
well
understood
to
cause
people
to
leave
or
avoid
shelter,
Hud's
2019
paper,
understanding,
encampments,
clearly
calls
out.
Shortcomings
in
the
shelter
system
are
consistently
identified
as
a
primary
factor
that
pushes
people
to
congregate
in
encampments.
AD
We
also
know
from
City
staff's
testimony
to
council
and
interface
own
recent
comments
in
the
media
that
the
nature
of
the
proposed
shelter's
use
and
design
will
bring
guests
and
others
to
the
vicinity
and
magnet
areas.
It's
also
been
well
documented
in
the
record
for
interface,
current
shelter
and
other
case
studies
that
this
increases
crime
and
nuisances
in
those
areas
causing
adverse
impacts
to
health,
safety
and
property.
AD
Dismissing
the
importance
of
internal
design
and
its
best
practices
led
to
DRC
to
make
a
capricious
and
arbitrary
decision
example,
erstadt
said
don't
get
distracted
by
comments
on
the
interior
of
the
building
and
many
of
the
conditions
were
based
on
British
Columbia
that
has
no
jurisdiction
or
applique
application.
This
shows
a
lack
of
understanding
of
how
internal
design
can
impact
externally.
He
also
doesn't
get
best
practices.
Of
course,
Vancouver
and
other
best
practices
apply.
It's
obvious
that
virtually
none
of
interface,
Cherry
Picked
best
practices
come
from
this
jurisdiction.
AD
Choosing
to
ignore
other
best
practices
will
lead
to
adverse
impact
in
the
vicinity.
As
clearly
pointed
out
by
council
member
Beijing
in
April's
deliberations,
Committee
Member
Zuckerman
was
also
confused
about
drc's
purview
I'm,
not
really
sure
where
the
interior
of
the
project
comes
into
this
discussion.
So
that's
not
our
purview
but
Boise
code
clearly
states
the
duties,
jurisdiction
and
Authority,
protect
property
rights
and
values
and
goes
on
to
say
the
DRC
can
require
reductions
in
density,
floor
area
ratio
Etc,
if
required
by
reason
of
Public
Safety
health
diminution
of
property
value.
AD
AD
I
It
thank
you,
okay.
Next,
we
will
hear
from
Georgia
Meacham
Georgia.
Please
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
start
with
your
naming.
Address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
I
Thank
you.
Sorry,
Georgia,
we'll
de-escalate
you,
okay,
let's
go
to
Pete
Barnes
then,
and
that
appears
to
be
the
last
hand.
So
unless
we
see
other
hands
go
up,
this
is
looking
like
that.
Maybe
the
last
testimony.
AE
Yeah,
my
name
is
Pete
Barnes
properties,
4077
West,
Plum,
Street
I'm.
My
property
is
located
about
400
feet
from
the
shelter
and
I'd
like
to
bring
back
the
absence
of
the
police
station
the
substation
just
about
three
weeks
ago.
Four
weeks
ago
we
saw
the
Boise
Police
Department
had
to
go
in
and
clean
up
the
alley.
That
is
part
of
interface
Sanctuary,
where
we
all
know
that
sport
is
provided
to
them
and
it
Harbors
a
lot
of
un
common
things
to
a
neighborhood
like
ours.
AE
We
don't
have
support
systems
out
there
or
one
of
the
poorest
neighborhoods
in
Boise.
You
really
need
to
deny
this
appeal,
because
it
has
not
addressed
the
issues
about
the
police
station,
how
we're
going
to
have
security
around
our
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
I
AD
That
may
be
my
wife
Denise
Zimmerman.
If
she
can
testify
here
from
my
computer,
would
that
be
okay
either.
I
Computer
is
fine,
we
just
need
a
name
and
address,
and
three
minutes.
AF
Denise
Zimmerman
Plum
Street
I've
been
reviewing
the
Boise
Citywide
design
standards
and
guidelines
document
previously
referenced
by
Josh.
In
this
document,
a
requirement
for
design
of
new
and
remote
model,
remodeled
buildings
and
Meredith.
It
says
the
design
shall
maintain
and
enhance
property
values
within
Boise.
AF
Take
a
good
look
at
the
RFS
design,
because
they're
really
maintained
and
enhance
the
property
values
in
Boise.
Just
the
thought
of
locating
a
homeless
shelter
in
a
neighborhood
decreases
its
value.
It
turns
that
neighborhood
into
an
undesirable
place
to
live
this,
isn't
because
current
or
potential
owners
don't
like
people,
homeless,
people
or
afraid
of
homeless
people,
but
the
fact
that
there
are
many
examples
of
how
homeless,
shelters,
including
the
current
ifs
shelter,
can
turn
the
surrounding
area
into
a
trash.
Heap
and
a
place
of
unbridled
crime.
AF
Ifs
is
proposed,
proposing
to
move
to
a
building
in
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
my
neighborhood
I
love.
My
neighborhood
I
can
walk
to
Parks
the
library,
the
gym,
there's
the
stores
and
restaurants,
the
Advent
of
a
homeless
shelter
will
bring
more
of
the
unfortunate
homeless,
sheltered
and
unsheltered
into
the
neighborhood.
Therefore,
a
decrease
in
the
value
of
living
there
and
the
value
of
doing
business
there
when
visiting
with
some
of
the
local
business
owners.
AF
The
Boise
Citywide
design,
standards
and
document
guidelines
document
says
the
treatment
of
the
facade
and
or
Landscaping
elements
shall
provide
visual
interest
to
The
Pedestrian
The
Pedestrian
property
values
are
not
determined
by
people
walking
by,
but
by
people
and
businesses.
Looking
to
move
into
the
neighborhood,
you
can
do
better
ask
for
a
design
that
maintains
or
even
enhances
the
property
values
in
the
surrounding
area.
A
facade
with
Nice
Landscaping
does
not
hide
the
reality
of
homelessness.
You
can
put
lipstick
on
a
pig
but
is
still
a
pig.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
merman,
okay,
with
that
I,
don't
see
any
further
testimony
on
this
topic,
so
we
will
move
to
rebuttals
I'll
start
with
the
applicant,
who
will
have
five
minutes
and
then
we'll
move
to
the
appellants,
both
Mr
Matthews
and
the
neighborhood
association,
who
will
share
their
time
at
five
minutes.
B
The
standards
for
which
design
reviewer
to
be
evaluated
or
set
forth
in
your
code
and
they
are
identified
in
three
specific
categories:
category
one
has
to
do
with
site
design.
Category
two
has
to
do
with
the
design
of
the
structure
in
category
three
is
compliant
with
the
adopted
design,
guidelines
and
standards.
B
Now
in
putting
this
application
together,
erstat
Architects
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
time
with
Interfaith
Sanctuary,
with
its
staff,
with
the
other
parties
that
are
consulted
on
this
and
the
conditions
of
approval
and,
in
fact,
in
your
packet,
was
the
site
plan
that
was
prepared.
That
is
color
coded
and
identifies
each
and
every
element
that
has
been
implemented
to
address
the
conditions
of
approval.
B
B
We
do
have
issues
in
this
community
that
we
need
to
address
and
we
could
have
maybe
addressed
more
of
these.
Had
we
not
spent
the
last
year
having
the
fight
just
to
get
to
this
point,
Cooper
Court
always
gets
raised
as
an
issue
and
we're
hypersensitive
to
Cooper
court,
but
we
don't
control
Cooper
Court.
In
fact,
if
we
did
and
we
had
the
ability
to
serve
that
population
and
it
wanted
to
be
served
by
Interfaith
it
would.
B
B
But
we
had
hours
of
discussion
at
the
city
council
on
how
the
city's
police
would
address
this,
and
the
city
council
was
eminently
aware
of
the
fact
that
that
substation
had
been
closed
and
questions
were
posed
to
police
staff
about
how
they
would
serve
and
what
they
would
do
and
the
testimony
that
was
litigated.
That
is
not
a
design
review
issue.
B
We've
heard
the
criticisms
and
the
fear
of
the
damage
to
the
riparian
areas.
Again,
not
a
design
review
question
a
design
review
I
pointed
out
that
this
is
the
first
time
I've
ever
had
a
client's
application
come
forward
where
it's
actually
been
criticized
by
opponents
of
the
project
for
increasing
the
amount
of
Green
Space.
B
Now,
why
are
we
not
building
that
additional
building?
Because
the
city
council
imposed
the
condition
limiting
the
population
saying
there
would
be
no
no
service
for
overflow.
So
we
didn't
need
that
additional
space,
but
they
also
imposed
a
condition
that
we
had
to
provide
a
minimum
amount
of
day,
shelter,
space
for
both
the
family
population
and
for
the
individuals,
and
we
have
done
that.
B
We
have
done
that
with
the
modifications
we
we
have
been
through
this
process
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
ersted
Architects
has
done
because,
frequently
when
I
work
with
Architects
on
design
review,
applications
I
have
to
encourage
them
to
go
back
and
read
and
re-read
your
ordinances
in
your
design
review
standards
with
erstad
Architects.
We
don't
have
to
do
that
because
they
have
adhered
to
those
provisions.
B
Now
you've
been
invited
to
revisit
many
of
the
issues
that
were
discussed
before
and
that
we
know
you
struggled
with,
because
Mr,
Smith
and
I
are
the
probably
the
only
two
individuals,
with
the
exception
of
a
few
members
of
the
neighborhood
association
and
a
couple
of
my
clients
that
sat
through
all
40
plus
hours
of
those
proceedings,
we
recognize
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
the
knowledge
and
experience
and
time
with
this,
but
we
meet
the
standards
and
there
has
been
cited
and
spit
forth
tonight,
no
basis
for
the
denial
of
design
review
approval.
I
L
I'm
Brent
Matthew
of
4130,
with
Plum
Street
I'm,
not
really
prepared
for
extemporaneous
debate,
I'm,
just
a
resident
and
a
citizen
of
the
neighborhood
that
is
concerned
about
the
site
design
and
how
it
impacts.
L
My
property
value
and
the
quality
of
life
of
my
neighbors
and
myself,
and
my
rebuttal
I
guess,
is
the
focus
that
I
would
think
that
the
perimeter
fence
material
on
this
site
design
is
appropriate
for
the
design
review
committee
and
this
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
I
would
disagree
with
Interfaith
sanctuary
Joffrey
wardle's
assessment,
that
our
comments
are
not
relevant
to
the
design
review
process,
and
my
urging
would
be
is
that
you
do
act
to
modify
and
improve
this
design
per
the
testimony
and
specifically
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that.
L
There's
an
acoustic
quality
to
the
to
the
fencing
material,
I
haven't
really
reviewed.
That
and
I
hear
KB,
vector
or
site
that
there
that
it
is
of
a
poor
standard
and
really
that's
what
I
want
is
an
excellent
standard
to
modify
to
lessen
the
noise
between.
A
N
Katie
Decker
5001,
West,
primosa
Street
I,
want
to
open
by
revisiting
the
due
process,
concerns
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
most
egregious
portion
of
that
is
that
we
specifically
requested
clarification
and
didn't
receive
it
for
10
days.
So
we
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
fully
develop
our
arguments
absent
that
notification,
that
there
would
be
only
one
hearing.
It's
not
addressed
in
code.
What
happens
with
two
appellants?
N
The
city's
communication
was
not
clear
and
I
know
that
the
applicant
raised
that
issue
in
their
appeal
response
as
well,
that
they
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
our
comments
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
want
to
have
a
dialogue
about
these,
but
what
I
heard
tonight
was
the
executive
director
of
interfaith
testifying
that
they
already
do
as
a
standard
practice.
One
of
the
main
requests
that
the
neighborhood
has
been
constantly
making.
N
If
that's
the
case,
put
it
in
a
condition,
that's
what
was
done
with
many
of
the
other
conditions,
legitimates
that
make
it
a
condition
of
approval,
rather
than
just
hoping
that
it
happens
with
regard
to
the
soundproofing.
The
design
review
is
the
first
time
that
we've
had
access
to
that
specification,
so
I
think
it's
fully
appropriate
to
request
a
higher
level
of
soundproofing
to
minimize
impact
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
which
is
specifically
within
design
reviews
authority
to
do
so.
N
With
regard
to
the
police
station,
I
object
to
the
testimony
that
Council
was
already
aware
that
the
substation
would
be
closed.
Council
was
aware
that
the
substation
is
currently
closed,
but
we're
told
that
it
would
be
reopened
as
a
touchdown.
Space
specifically
chiefly
gave
extensive
testimony
on
how
necessary
that
touchdown
space
was
to
improve
efficiency
within
his
Patrol
unit.
N
N
If
you
change
the
design
now
that
takes
away
the
due
process
right
to
comment
on
all
the
conditions
comment
on
the
impacts
that
these
new
design
elements
have,
as
they're
conditioned
so
again,
I
think
that
this
should
revert
to
the
the
plans
and
specifications
as
presented
to
Council
in
September.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
Katie,
okay,
with
that
the
public
portion
of
this
hearing
is
closed.
The
item
is
now
before
the
commission.
Just
as
a
reminder
we're
here
to
look
at
the
did.
The
design
review
findings
meet
the
Citywide
design
standards
and
the
motion
would
be
to
approve
or
deny
the
appeal
that
it
did
not
meet
the
city-wide
design
standards.
I
I
U
Regarding
due
process
and
what
I
think
is
the
recognition
that
we
have
identified,
some
issues,
staff
has
and
the
zoning
code
rewrite
will
help
hopefully
tackle
some
of
those
or
all
of
them.
So
we
don't
deal
with
this
again.
U
But
having
said
that,
what
I
was
hoping
to
be
able
to
read
in
a
staff
report
is
expert
staff
analysis
of
the
neighborhood
association's
concerns
and
that
wasn't
their
the
staff
report
only
concluded
Mr
Matthews
claims,
and
so
what
I'm
offering
is?
Is
there
any
interest
in
deferring
this
to
get
a
staff
report
that
accommodates
all
of
the
appellant
concerns.
I
V
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion:
I'm
gonna,
move
that
item
number
two
Dr.
I
Have
a
second
from
commissioner
Blanchard,
commissioner
Danley,
would
you
like
to
start
the
conversation
absolutely.
V
It's
just
been
so
much
fun
right
for
the
last
two
years.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
just
say
thank
you
to
everybody
for
coming
out
and
testifying
whether
you
know
it
or
not.
It
does
make
a
difference,
and
we
appreciate
you
making
your
voice
heard
as
I.
Think
commissioner
Mooney
just
Illustrated
testimony
is
likely
then
going
to
improve
the
process
and
in
that
instance,
all
right.
V
So
for
me,
I'm
looking
at
our
zoning
code,
I'm
specifically
reading
out
of
our
zoning
code,
if
I
may
our
decision
tonight,
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
how
did
the
design
Review
Committee
perform?
They
are
a
subcommittee
to
us
and
our
job
is
to
determine
in
an
appeal
if
any
of
the
following
took
place,
the
decision
is
in
violation
of
constitutional
state
or
city
law.
I,
don't
think
that
that
took
place,
I
think
everything
that
did
up
was
fine.
V
With
that
the
review
body's
decision
exceeded
its
statutory
Authority
I,
don't
think
that
they
exceeded
their
statutory
Authority
think
that
they
they
upheld,
that
the
decision
is
made
upon
unlawful
procedure.
I,
don't
think
that
they
did
that
the
decision
is
arbitrary.
Capricious
or
an
abusive
discretion
in
that
it
was
made
without
rational
basis
or
in
disregard
of
the
facts
and
circumstances
presented.
V
I
do
believe
at
the
time
that
they
heard
everything
they
had
the
application
they
had
lots
of
conditions
and
that
they
used
their
professional
judgment,
because
that,
by
the
way
is
a
committee
made
up
of
Professionals
in
this
particular
Arena
that
they
made
a
decision
that
didn't
was
not
capricious
and
was
not
arbitrary
and
so
forth.
Lastly,
the
decision
is
not
supported
by
substantial
evidence.
V
H
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
for
the
record
again
James
Smith
Deputy,
City
attorney
just
this
is
not
to
disturb
any
of
the
substance
of
of
the
commissioner's
comments
and
deliberation
there
in
support
of
the
motion,
all
of
which
I
think
can
be,
can
be
viewed
apart
from
the
standard
of
review.
This
is
just
to
clarify
the
standard
of
of
review
underlying
the
this
body's
decision,
and
that
is
that,
citing
a
section
110303.
O
Sub
9
sub
B,
the
header
States
appeal
of
administrative
decisions,
the
the
review
body
that
is
PNC,
Commission,
quote
May,
sustain,
deny
or
modify
the
decision
and
conditions.
End
quote:
there
is
not
a
requirement
that
this
body
find
find
error.
O
The
on
on
appeal
to
council
code
code
sets
out
certain
certain
Provisions
about
about
error.
This
body
make
may
consider
any
evidence,
and
the
code
does
not
impose
a
requirement
that
this
body
find
error.
However,
in
line
with
with
Commissioners
comments
quote
the
decision
that
is
design
review
committee's
decision
here
is
a
corded
weight.
To
the
extent
it
is
the
result
of
the
application
of
special
administrative
and
Technical
expertise.
O
So
with
that
clarification,
that,
and
and
perhaps
that
that
that
opens
deliberation
a
little
wider-
that
that
an
error
finding
is
is
not
is
not
required.
So
is
not
to
do
violence
to
the
motion
or
or
to
to
the
to
the
substance
of
the
commissioner's
comments
just
to
to
clarify
a
bit
on
the
standard
of
review.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
Smith,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
I
I
can
see
both
the
clarifying
point
and
also
that
it
doesn't
degrade
the
motion.
You
know
if
there
is
no.
I
If
commissioner
Danley
doesn't
see
error
with
the
decision,
therefore,
there
is
no
need
to
make
changes
to
their
decision,
so
I
can
see
both
sides
of
that.
Is
there
further
discussion,
commissioner
Blanchard?
Oh.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
I
wasn't
going
to
go
that
direction,
anyways,
which
you
probably
but
I,
appreciate
commissioner
Danley
covering
that,
because
that's
I
mean
that's
the
basics
of
it
really
is
that
I
believe?
Despite
what
we're
being
told,
let
me
just
say
this,
though
you
know
we,
we
all
agreed
with
you
once
on
every
single
one
of
these
points,
and
you
know
it
went
to
council
and
Council,
threw
us
under
the
bus.
J
So
we
are
where
we're
at
and
then
you
know,
for
you
guys
to
get
up
and
say
well,
this
is
going
to
go
to
judicial
review
anyways,
that's
kind
of
like
oh
well.
You
know
thanks
for
getting
me
off
the
couch
on
Monday
night.
You
know
when
you
are
planning
to
appeal
this
anyway,
so
I
think
the
political
calculation
on
the
part
of
the
appellants
is
was
was
pretty
poor.
J
To
think
that
we
would
appreciate
having
a
second
bite
at
this
apple
because
I
don't
think
any
of
us
do
we
we
tried
putting
it.
We
came
to
the
conclusion
that
that
we
couldn't
possibly
put
enough
conditions
on
this
thing
to
make
it
work.
That's
what
we
all
agreed
and
Council
put
the
conditions
on
it
that
they
put
on
Dr,
put
the
conditions
on
it
that
they
went
on
I'm,
not
inclined
to
take
a
second
bite.
J
At
this
thing
we
said
our
piece
and
got
thrown
under
the
bus,
so
that's
where
we
are
and
as
far
as
having
two
different
appellants
and
there
being
some
kind
of
you
know,
potential
problem
with
process
there
again
that's
just
this
is
just
you
know,
mismanagement
to
this.
Frankly,
it's
like
I
I'm,
not
sure
why
Mr
Matthew
thought
that,
once
the
neighborhood
association
had
an
attorney
who
was
doing
this,
that
he
ought
to
jump
the
queue
and
and
file
an
appeal
on
this.
J
U
To
the
to
our
attorney's
discussion
about
the
open
record,
I
wasn't
I
was
going
that
way
as
well.
I
mean
I
was
considering
this
an
open
record
and
we
needed
to
consider
all
the
testimony
and
this,
as
the
code
says,
the
record
shall
be
fully
developed
here.
U
So
that's
the
way
I
was
going
and
so
to
commissioner
Blanchard's
points
about
we
sat
here
a
year
ago
and
and
or
thereabouts,
and
it
was
determined
that
it
was
difficult
for
us,
given
the
conditions
in
the
application
at
the
time
to
determine
future
adverse
impact
could
be
mitigated
that
that
was
a
five
to
one
vote
and
then
it
went
to
council
and
staff
and
all
the
experts
in
this
Arena
convened
and
they
and
they
listened
to
all
that
testimony
and
they
developed
additional
conditions
and
came
up
with
a
what
they
perceived
was
a
better
plan
and
better
conditions
to
mitigate
those
future
adverse
impacts
possible
future
adverse
impacts,
I'm
restating
with
Mr
Blanchard
said,
but
then
and
then
it
goes
to
the
applicant
and
they
work
hard
and
they
listen
all
the
testimony
and
they
further
develop
a
good
plan
for
what
is
a
non-profit,
doing.
U
Yeoman's
work
for
our
community
private
nonprofit,
and
we
said
this
before
last
time
and
in
its
and
they
come
up
with
this
design.
And
now
we're
asked
to
determine
that
conditions.
Two
and
three
mean
this
design
has
changed
enough
that
we
need
to.
As
commissioner
Blanchard
to
take
another
bite
at
the
Apple
and
I'm,
not
there
so
I'm
in
support
of
the
motion.
S
Let
me
show
more
so:
here's
I'm
in
sport
in
motion
I
think
there's
some
fundamental
reasons.
Why
I
think
in
all
of
the
testimony
that
we've
received,
that
we've
heard
and
much
of
the
testimony
that
was
provided
in
our
packet
is
really
related
to
the
interior
of
the
building
and
that's
just
not
part
of
this
particular
application
per
design,
review
staff,
we're
looking
at
the
site,
design
and
structure
design,
the
interior
components,
things
like
site,
room
sizes,
adjacencies
things
like
that.
S
That's
just
not
part
of
this,
and
it's
just
not
in
this
scope,
so
I
think,
because
that
appears
to
be
the
bulk
of
the
arguments.
The
bulk
of
kind
of
the
disagreement
here,
I'm
in
support
of
the
motion,
because
the
exterior
that's
it's
not
been
much
of
the
discussion.
S
I
think
that
there's
an
agreement
that
it
does
look
nice.
We
have
proof-
or
we
have
an
exhibit
in
our
packet
where
this
exterior
does
comply
with
the
conditions.
And
then
we
we've
also
got
you
know
narrative
in
our
packet
as
well,
how
it
complies
with
design
reviews
requirements
both
for
the
site
and
for
the
building.
S
You
know
there's
some
additional
kind
of
applications
in
terms
of
signage,
but
that's
you
know,
the
majority
of
the
narrative
is
is
how
it
complies.
In
addition,
you
know
being
a
reuse
of
an
existing
building.
Things
like
that
I
mean
that's
really
to
preserve
the
the
kind
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
We
we're
using
these
existing
buildings
like
that,
and
so
I
think,
because
of
those
reasons
and
then
support
the
motion,
foreign.
I
Okay,
it
sounds
like
that's
gonna,
be
the
end
of
that.
So,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
deny
drh22-345
at
4306
West
State
Street,
and
we
had
a
motion
from
commissioner
Danley
and
a
second
from
commissioner
Blanchard.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote.
J
K
U
I
Thank
you,
we're
going
to
take
another
five
minute
break
and
we
will
be
back
at
about
8
28
with
number
three
PUD
22-60.
A
A
A
A
F
A
D
Okay,
thank
you
all
welcome
back
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
Tonight.
I
have
number
three:
it's
PUD
22-60
Alpha
Development
Group.
The
address
is
801
East
Reserve
Street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
plan.
Mixed
use,
development
comprised
of
206
residential
multi-family
units
and
a
height
exception
on
4.78
acres
in
a
c2da
Zone
working
from
Staff,
first
Mr
David
Mosher.
AG
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
applicant
requests
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
mixed
use,
development
comprised
of
206
dwelling
units
and
a
height
exception
on
seven
points
or
4.7
Acres,
sorry
located
at
801,
East,
Reserve
Street
in
the
c2d
da
Zone
and
c2da
Zone.
As
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
the
Reserve
Street
and
directly
adjacent
to
a
residential
neighborhood
to
the
east
and
south.
The
neighborhood
contains
a
mix
of
single-family,
townhouses
and
apartment
facilities.
AG
Adjacent
to
the
West
is
a
fire
station
which
the
property
shares
an
access
point
on
Reserve
Street,
with
across
Reserve
Street
to
the
north
is
Fort
Boise
and
the
military
Reserve
open
space
areas,
as
you
can
see
from
the
the
slide
here.
This
is
the
overall
site
plan
shows
the
development
is
comprised
of
four
buildings,
which
include
the
original,
the
original
Armory
building,
which
is
listed
on
the
National
Historic
registry,
the
a
large
four-story
mixed-use
building
along
the
east
side
along
Avenue
H
and
then
to
townhouse
style.
AG
AG
The
applicant
is
proposed
proposes
to
protect
the
Armory
building
and
construct
an
overall
project
that
has
a
phase
as
a
phase
development.
The
first
phase
will
include
the
construction
of
a
four-story
mixed-use
building
and
the
townhouse
style
Apartments
along
Logan,
the
large
mixed-use
building
the
townhouse
style
Apartments
will
contain
the
206
dwelling
units
and
approximately
three
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial
at
the
intersection
of
Avenue,
H
and
reserve.
The
parking
for
the
project
will
be
primarily
located
within
the
parking
garage
which
also
includes
below
ground
parking.
AG
In
addition,
phase
two
of
the
project
includes
the
tenant
improvements
for
the
Armory
which
our
anticipated
to
occur.
At
this
point,
around
2025.,
however,
no
particular
tenants
or
uses
have
been
specifically
identified
for
the
Armory
at
this
time,
although
the
recorded
da
does
prohibit
more
intense
and
auto-centric
uses
from
the
site.
In
summary,
the
mixed-use
development
and
and
the
project
is
in
compliance
with
the
development
code
and
the
multi-living
use
standards.
AG
I
would
also
note
that
the
site
is
located
within
a
Neighborhood
Activity
Center,
as
per
our
comprehensive
plan
and
is
close
to
downtown
less
than
half
a
mile
from
St
Luke's.
Therefore,
the
higher
densities
and
more
intense
uses
are
anticipated
in
this
area.
The
site
is
also
close
to
amenities
such
as
Fort
Boise
in
the
Foothills,
which
would
support
this
higher
density
foreign.
AG
These
elevations
show
the
project
design
and
how
the
apartment
units
will
address.
Avenue,
H
and
Logan
Street,
as
as
seen
here,
and
here
please
note
that
the
project
will
the
project
design
also
breaks
up
the
overall
mass
of
the
building
along
Avenue
H
into
two
structures,
as
seen
here
by
separating
it
here.
This
is
at
the
second
floor
and
up
in
that
second
floor
is
where
the
amenities
will
be
occurring.
AG
AG
The
planning
team
has
received
public
comments
expressing
concerns
with
the
proposed
the
proposed
development,
their
concerns
involved
traffic
and
parking
General
compatibility
of
the
proposed
project
with
the
surrounding
area
and
concerns
with
the
Armory
historic
Armory
building.
A
traffic
impact
study
was
performed
by
the
applicant
indicating
that
there
is
capacity
on
the
adjacent
roadway
to
support
the
project
and
the
traffic
impact
studies
stated
that
no
traffic
mitigation
was
required.
However,
at
this
time,
achg
has
not
formally
commented
on
the
project.
Also,
the
project
complies
with
the
required
amount
of
parking
as
per
code.
AG
The
project
is
similar
to
other
multi-family
projects
in
the
area
in,
in
the
sense
that
it
is
multi-family
and
that
the
building
design
will
lessen
its
impact
by
breaking
up
the
mass
will
lessen
its
impact
on
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
and
reducing
the
the
impacts
from
the
mass
of
the
structure.
Finally,
the
neighborhood
contends
that
the
proposed
apartment
building
will
will
impact
the
historic
character
of
the
building.
However,
the
applicant
house
has
proposed
to
protect
the
historic
Armory
building
and
redevelop
it
with
commercial
uses.
AG
AH
Chair
and
Commissioners
is
that
on
yep,
oh
I,
think
so.
I
I
can't
hear
myself
echo
so
Mr,
chair
and
Commissioners.
Thank
you.
Dustin
Holt
I'm,
a
principal
and
partner
in
Alpha,
Development
Group.
Our
address
for
our
headquarters
is
166
South,
East,
14,
000,
South,
Draper
Utah.
AH
We
are
a
regional
Alpha,
Development
Group
is
a
regional
mixed
use
and
multi-family
developer
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
work.
This
thing
there
we
go,
we've
been
involved
in
many
multi-family
projects
and
mixed
use
projects.
We've
been
involved
in
projects
as
as
low
in
densities,
eight
units
to
the
acre
and
as
dense
as
180
units
to
the
acre
we've
been
involved
in
about
a
million
two
square
feet
of
commercial
uses,
and
we
have
been
involved
in
those
developments
here
in
the
Treasure
Valley.
AH
This
is
our
first
opportunity
to
Boise
I
want
to
want
to
say
thank
you
appreciate
your
time.
I
know,
there's
always
delicate
and
not
so
delicate
matters
that
you
have
to
deal
with
appreciate
your
service
to
your
community.
We're
before
bodies
like
yours
and
I
know
your
volunteers.
So
thank
you
very
much
with
me
tonight
is.
Is
one
of
the
other
partners
of
alpha
development,
Bryce,
Baker,
Brad
Watson
who's,
our
development
manager
for
this
project
specific
to
to
Boise
the
project
architect,
as
well
as
the
project
engineer,
both
here
I
want
to
publicly
thank
staff.
AH
We've
we've
been
working
on
this
for
about
a
year
so
most
recently,
obviously
Mr
Moser.
Thank
you
for
his
time.
Mr
Wilson
their
time,
Jeff,
Lowe
and
then
Celine
and
others
from
the
past
had
also
provided
input.
So
certainly
you've
got
great
staff
and
we
appreciate
their
input.
I
want
to
try
not
to
bore
you
too
much
tonight.
It's
already
been
a
long
night
for
you,
so
I
want
to
tell
you
how
excited
we
are.
AH
How
excited
we
are
about
the
Armory
I
know
the
Armory
was
was
purchased
by
J
M
land
back
in
2011..
That
was
who
we
acquired
the
property
from
in
2021.
AH
So,
as
we've
talked
to
staff,
that's
things
like
betterments,
maybe
some
of
the
windows,
some
of
the
paint
that
is
peeling,
but
you
know
sandblasting
that
going
back
to
the
original
concrete
some
of
those
betterments,
but
not
significant,
nothing
that
would
significantly
modify
the
the
building
itself
under
the
design
rights
under
the
C2
zoning
you've
got
far
calculations.
We've
got
some
unit
per
acre
calculations.
We've
got
some
Heights,
as
previously
noted,
with
the
exception
of
the
the
two
Elevator
Shaft
overruns
were
were
within
that
height
we've
looked
at
the
minimum
set
yard
setbacks.
AH
This
is
a
little
bit
of
the
process
that
we've
been
through
in
the
last
year,
plus
so
October.
We
had
some
initial
meetings
with
East
End
neighborhood
association
Representatives.
We
talked
about
some
ideas,
sketched
some
things
out
and
then
we
went
and
met.
I
had
a
couple
of
virtual
meetings
with
other
board
members
from
the
East
End
neighborhood
association.
We
then
had
personal
and
virtual
meetings
with
greater
neighborhood,
extended
that
that
envelope
and
I'm
I'm
here
to
show
you
some
of
what
we
worked
through.
AH
So
this
was
this
was
an
original
evolution
of
a
concept
plan
that
we
presented.
We
looked
at
just
the
overall
size.
We
call
this
our
our
swiss
cheese
block,
but
we
looked
at
the
Block.
We
looked
at
the
height.
We
heard
some
of
the
comments
from
the
East
End
neighborhood
association
board.
Members
saying
you
know
you
may
want
to
get
that
mass
more
toward
the
middle
of
the
block,
get
it
away
from
Reserve,
get
it
away
from
Logan,
and
so
that's
exactly
what
we
showed
them.
AH
We
could
do
with
some
of
these
cutting
of
some
of
these
red
spaces.
What,
ultimately,
that
created
was
a
what
would
have
been
a
need
or
request
for
a
fifth
floor
on
this,
which
is
highlighted
in
that
teal
color,
when
we
presented
that
to
the
greater
neighborhood
there
was
mass
opposition.
AH
This
was
a
concept
plan
of
that,
but
a
couple
of
stories
of
parking
skirted
with
town
homes
and
then
the
four
stories
of
of
residential
above
that
Podium
level,
and
we
had
215
units
only
330
parking
stalls
in
that
in
that
design,
and
we,
as
I
mentioned,
we
heard
opposition
in
our
meeting.
So
we
heard
that
the
building
was
too
tall
that
we
needed
to
stay
within
that
40
foot,
45
foot
height,
that
we
really
should
consider
Subterranean
level
parking.
They
wanted
to
make
certain.
AH
We
were
preserving
some
type
of
view
from
the
East
bench
back
down
onto
the
Armory
building
itself,
that
the
building
facade
coming
closer
to
the
street
wasn't
as
big
of
a
concern.
As
long
as
we
were
addressing
the
height
concern
and
then
the
amount
of
parking
was
obviously
one
that
that
came
up
so
the
the
concept
plan.
That's
before
you
that
we've
we've
revamped
we've
reworked
through.
We
did
push
a
full
level
of
parking
Subterranean
in
doing
that,
it
actually
allowed
us
to
gain
more
width
which
allowed
us
to
gain
more
parking
spaces.
AH
We
then
have
one
level
of
at
grade
structured
parking
that
is
skirted
with
walk
up
direct
walk-up
units
from
Logan
and
from
reserve,
and
then
the
North
End
along
Logan
and
Avenue
H
and
then
along
Reserve
gives
us
a
chance
to
accommodate
some
retail
Leasing
and
then
you'll
see
the
three
stories
building
a
and
Building
B
with
that
Plaza,
as
you
saw
in
the
elevations
being
an
opportunity
to
really
see
through
to
the
35-foot
height,
which
is
the
coolest
part
of
the
Armory
building
the
wood
barrel,
Vault
of
that
building
itself.
AH
This
is
a
couple
things
to
note
in
the
in
the
far
calculation.
This
does
take
into
consideration
the
55
000
square
feet
of
the
anticipated
Armory
building
itself
and
I
know
that
most
concern
that
you're
going
to
hear
is
the
Armory
building
itself.
What
about
the
Armory
building
and
David
was
absolutely
correct.
We
do
not
have
a
tenant
in
tow.
We
have
multiple
tenants
that
we
are
talking
to.
AH
We
have
letters
of
Interest,
some
that
have
been
presented
from
the
community
to
us,
but
we're
trying
to
get
the
context
of
the
whole
of
this
whole
building
the
as
you
can
see
the
the
town
homes
in
the
blue
that
skirt
the
parking
we've
got
in
this
area.
200
bike
parking,
lockers
we've
got
a
bike
wash
station,
we've
got
a
dog
wash
station.
We've
got
a
leasing
amenity
up
along
the
front
as
we
go
to
the
second
floor.
AH
This
whole
Second,
Story
Plaza,
multiple
fire
pits
a
spool
kind
of
a
Pool
Spa
pergolas
hammock
Garden
barbecue.
This
is
truly
a
a
class,
a
multi-family
building,
a
couple
of
the
elevations
some
things
just
to
to
note.
You
can
see
to
the
to
the
right.
I,
don't
know
if
this
has
a
laser
pointer.
AH
You
can
see
here.
This
is
perceived
as
a
tunnel
or
as
a
drive-through
that
that
does
go
through
the
building,
but
that
will
have
right,
Tech
high-speed
garage
door.
So
it's
not
actually
a
tunnel.
It's
not
a
pass-through.
It's
a
drive
Corridor
for
that.
But
inside
of
that
elevation
right
here,
that
is
where
the
Armory
wood
barrel
Arch.
Would
be
seen
at
about
35
feet
of
height
to
the
peak
of
that
building
itself.
AH
Another
amenity
that
we
have
up
on
the
fourth
floor
is
this
rooftop,
and
this
is
a
photo
from
a
drone
back
to
downtown.
So
from
the
fourth
floor,
rooftop
be
able
to
have
a
Vista
and
a
view
that
area
will
just
have
a
sitting
area
and
a
fireplace
accessible
to
the
to
the
residents.
AH
The
Armory
building
from
my
last
minute,
so
some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
coffee
shop-
absolutely
Bike
Shop.
Yes,
local,
brew
pub;
yes,
restaurants,
food
truck
gathering
for
outdoor
spaces,
Bakery,
an
area
for
Community
meetings.
All
of
those
things
are
absolutely
things
that
we
want
to
figure
out
how
to
integrate
into
the
Armory
building
itself.
We
have
had
a
couple
different
Architects,
look
at
very
rough
space
planning
Concepts.
AH
This
one
shows
inside
of
that
wood
bar
wood
barrel,
roof
about
15
000
feet
how
we
might
have
a
wood
fire
pizza,
oven,
a
micro
Brewery,
some
pop-up
Market
spaces,
a
florist
shop,
little
Bike,
Shop,
bicycle
Center,
repair
shop,
a
little
Lounge
inside
of
that
space,
some
type
of
tiered
seating
for
an
event
center
or
not
an
event
center,
but
an
event
space
somewhere
or
even
the
East
End
Neighborhood
Community
Association
could
gather
for
their
meetings.
AH
This
is
in
a
much
simpler
bubble
diagram,
but
we
have
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
the
Armory
building
itself.
So
this
this
concept,
the
the
teal
is
office
spaces
and
the
green
is
supporting
uses
for
those
office
spaces
or
for
the
Greater
Community.
All
of
those
things
have
been
taken
into
consideration.
As
we've
looked
at
this,
it
was
noted
on
the
by
David
that.
AH
Wrap
it
up.
Okay,
we
heard
from
achd
as
well
that
they
have
not
formally
they've
accepted
it,
but
have
not
formally
approved
it.
We've
talked
about
minimal
mitigation
measures
with
them,
and
I
would
tell
you
tonight,
based
on
our
verbal
conversations
with
them,
that
we
would
be
in
agreement
to
make
whatever
mitigating
measures
they.
They
ultimately
request
very
much
appreciate
your
time
this
evening
and
respectfully
request
your
approval
tonight.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
D
AI
D
That's
fine,
if
you
could
give
us
your
your
full
name
and
your
address.
Okay,.
AI
Greg
Ostro
201
East,
Louisa
Street.
We
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
building
that
was
just
presented
to
you.
We
appreciate
that
Dustin
go
right
back
through
it
with
you
sure,
from
a
being
a
licensed
architect
in
Idaho,
the
building
is
Big.
It's
got
a
lot
of
parking,
it
overshadows
the
Armory,
it's
all
obvious
stuff
from
a
design
standpoint,
but
the
Armory
has
been
vacant
for
a
long
time
and
we
need
somebody
to
take
care
of
the
Armory
and
make
it
into
the
neighborhood
Activity
Center.
AI
AI
We
don't
know
if
this
is
one
property
or
two
properties.
Right
now
we
were
on,
we
were
told
that
it
was
going
to
be
the
two
properties
were
going
to
be
Consolidated
to
one
and
so
that
they
could
get
the
density,
and
we
learned
in
the
staff
report
that
it's
still
two
Parcels.
So
we
don't
know
what
the
parcels
are,
so
that
that's
a
question
that
we
have
number
two.
The
development
agreement
we're
working
on
is
Circa
2012..
We
feel
that
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
revisit
and
re-look
at
the
uses.
AI
AI
A
AI
Shown
up
on
the
screen
be
added
to
the
application,
because
I
don't
plan
your
developments
or
not
my
gig,
but
I
can't
see
how
you
would
approve
one
without
a
design,
regardless
of
the
phasing
on
it.
AI
Okay,
now
I
think
I'm
going
to
go
to
my
letter.
We
we
do
feel
at
least
with
Dustin
and
Brad,
and
those
guys
have
really
done
a
lot
of
work.
They've
done
a
lot
of
changes
to
the
building.
They've
listened
to
us,
they've
been
compassionate,
but
I,
don't
know
if
we,
as
the
Planning
Commission
can
just
go
on
promises
that
we
are
going
to
do
to
the
Armory
that
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of
mechanism
available
to
you
to
ensure
that
the
armory
gets
developed.
AI
You
know
we
don't
feel
it's
appropriate
that
you
steal
a
hundred
units
of
density
from
the
Armory
and
then
put
the
historic
Armory
in
second
place,
because
it's
and
it's
all
in
all
fairness-
they
are
my
impression-
is
they
are
good
good
type,
a
market
rate
Apartments
the
plans
are
good.
The
designs
are
good.
The
amenities
are
good,
I.
Think
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
AI
AJ
AK
I
believe
I'm
here,
it's
Eric
Kingston
I
am
at
1010
East,
Jefferson
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
into
my
PowerPoint
here.
Sorry
about
that.
AK
You
know
what
I
might
I
might
pass
this
off
to
Sheila.
G
In
addition
to
the
summary
that
Greg
gave
you
I
wanted
to
talk
real
quickly
about
the
transportation
and
what
we
consider
to
be
something
of
an
incomplete
dis.
We
think
it's
incomplete
and
we
know
that
achg
has
not
yet
looked
at
it
or
approved
it.
So
we'd
like
to
request
the
city,
send
it
back
because
from
what
we
can
tell
given
that
the
Pud
does
not
address
the
activity
center
in
any
detail
at
all,
neither
does
a
Tas.
G
So
we
don't
think
it
fully
looks
at
the
full
area
and
what
will
really
be
impacted?
It
doesn't
really
consider
much
on
Avenue
H
doesn't
look
at
the
Jefferson
McKinley
quarter
at
all,
and
we
know
today
that
the
Jefferson
McKinley
Corridor
is
and
will
continue
to
be
impacted
by
traffic
growing
traffic
volumes
on
H.
G
So
we
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
we're
our
greatest
concerns
are
biking
and
walking.
Avenue
H
is
heavily
used
as
a
connection
from
our
neighborhood
to
Trails
and
parks
in
the
Foothills
and
there's
a
large
volume.
I
will
say
that
we
really
appreciate
the
work
the
developers
done
to
date.
They
are
doing
a
detached
sidewalk
on
their
portion
of
Avenue
H
they're,
proposing
a
curb
extension
at
Logan
and
Avenue
H.
G
G
Great
picture
pictures
that
are
worthwhile,
so
I'm
hoping
he'll
have
time.
We
really
believe
that
if
the
city
is
truly
committed
to
its
vision
and
blueprint,
Boise
that
this
that
you
want
more
Hyde,
Parks
more
bound
crossings
that
this
is
such
an
opportunity.
The
Armory,
however,
is
a
real
challenging
site,
and
we
recognize
that
we're
not
here
to
oppose
the
density.
We're
not
here
to
oppose
the
height.
G
Our
early
Visions,
actually
looked
at
multi-family
on
this
location,
where
they're
putting
it
our
concerns
are
that
without
planning
the
site
together
the
whole
site,
we
consider
this
PUD
incomplete,
because
the
design
and
nature
and
footprint
of
this
building
really
does
not
take
a
careful
look
at
integrating
it
itself
with
the
Armory
and
its
future
uses,
and
it
also
really
does
not
integrate
with
the
neighborhood.
If
you
look
carefully
at
it,
it
faces
away
from
the
very
neighborhood
that
it
is
inside
of
for
us
to
get
to
it
to
even
access
it.
G
We
have
to
go
around
it
through
into
it
through
from
Reserve
Street,
so
we
would
like
it
the
site
to
be
looked
at
in
an
integral
way
with
they
could
push.
We
also
don't
think
that
there
should
be
additional
commercial
again,
because
the
Armory
is
so
challenging
and
so
large
for
those
of
you
who
might
be
familiar
with
it.
This
property
does
not
need
more
commercial
residential,
yes,
more
commercial.
No,
we
think
if
they
took
the
commercial
out
of
their
building,
they
could
push
the
building
height
up
north.
G
AK
Once
again,
Eric
Kingston
1010
East
Jefferson,
so
got
a
little
slideshow.
This
is
actually
a
a
resurrected
slide
deck
that
we
put
together
back
in
2008.
For
for
the
mayor
and
Council,
the
the
Armory
subcommittee
was
created
in.
K
AK
And
let's
see
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying:
what's
going
right,
I'll
skip
over
that,
because
I
think
you
know
Greg
and
Deanna
have
kind
of
spoken
of
that
were
really
appreciative
of
of
Alpha's
willingness
to
to
get
involved
with
the
public
engagement
lots
of
lots
of
really
great
dialogue
in
this
process.
So
we
appreciate
that
so
as
far
as
Milestones
go
I
know
they,
there
was
some
a
nice
timeline
put
together
earlier.
AK
You
know,
you
guys
all
know
it's
originally.
The
National
Guard
Armory
has
had
several
different
uses
and
and
owners
over
the
over
the
years.
The
new
Heritage
Theater
had
it
for
a
while.
AK
They
had
it
for
a
dollar
year
lease
when
they
owned
it
and
when
they
had
control
over
it,
I
actually
got
a
call
from
Art
Space
in
Salt
Lake,
just
a
random
call
from
somebody
asking
about
potential
buildings
in
in
Boise
that
could
be
used
as
art,
space
and,
and
that
was
one
of
them,
but
New
Heritage
was
not
willing
to
share
it.
So
anyway,
you
can
see
some
of
the
other.
AK
AK
You
know
a
lot
of
us
have
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
this.
Just
as
Volunteers
in
the
neighborhood
we've
worked
with.
You
know
dozens
of
different
dozens
of
different
partners
throughout
the
years,
including
the
National
Guard,
not
you
know,
not
least,
of
which
working
with
the
National
Guard
historians
and
they're
they're
really
interested
in
seeing
the
the
Armory
engaged
and
activated
again
and
they'd
love
to
participate
in
that
you've
got.
You
know
this
location.
AK
We
really
looked
at
this
back
in
2007-2008
and
understood
what
a
what
a
critical
and
strategic
location
this
is
for.
All
kinds
of
uses
tried
to
illustrate
that
there
at
the
time
we
really
wanted
to
encourage
the
city
and
other
entities
to
think
more.
You
know
more
broadly
about
this.
This
this
area
as
a
kind
of
a
fulfilled
Gateway,
complex,
you've
got.
AK
You
know
the
area
to
the
highlighted
area
on
the
left
is:
is
that
area
by
Fort
Boise
and
where
the
Elks
is
and
then
you've
got
the
Armory
off
to
the
right
and
that
shaded
area
in
front
is
the
workforce
housing
study
area
that
was
put
together
had
some
great
historical
photos
here
it
doesn't
look
like
they're
going
to
work
in
this
in
this
iteration
of
of
PowerPoint,
it's
I'm
on
a
new
machine.
AK
So
sorry
about
that,
the
the
slide
decks
in
the
mail
how's
that
we
looked
at
lots
of
different
opportunities
that
were
you
know,
examples
of
how
armories
were
repurposed.
In
other
places,
we've
got
had
Steve
trout,
you
know
in
2012
Drew
up
these
really
great
elevations
at
potential
uses.
10
years
later,
it's
boarded
up.
Thankfully
it's
protected
now,
but
you
know
the
windows
have
all
been
broken
out
and,
and
it
just
shows
science
and
neglect
we
need.
AK
We
need
to
activate
it
and
get
it
occupied
as
far
as
housing
goes.
I
want
to
just
remind
folks,
there's,
you
know,
there's
this
kind
of
answering:
oh
we're
going
to
create
more
housing,
but
we
don't
need
more
expensive
housing.
We
need
affordable
housing
right
now
for
Boise,
that's
kind
of
what
I
do
in
my
day,
job
is
focus
on
housing,
affordability
policy
and
looks
like
I'm
gonna
have
to
sign
off
and
hand
this
over,
but
I
just
want
to
leave
you
with
this.
D
Great,
thank
you.
Mr
Kingston.
Okay,
at
this
point,
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
this
up
for
any
questions
by
the
commission
of
Staff
applicant
or
the
neighborhood
association.
D
H
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
the
developer
or
for
staff.
Typically
before
a
traffic
impact
study
is
started,
there's
an
agreement
between
the
applicant
and
achd
as
to
what
the
study
area
is.
Can
you
speak
to
how
that
conclusion
was
arrived
to
with
this
particular
study
area
and
why
certain
streets
were
baby
excluded.
AH
I
can
try
so
Dr
Hells
of
Hell's
engineering
worked
with
achd
and
compass
in
creating
an
original
scoping
memo
that,
in
my
presentation,
I
think
was
May
of
last
year.
They've
reviewed
that
acht
review
that
scoping
memo
came
back
in
like
June
and
said,
we've
heard
some
complaints
and
concerns
about
a
greater
area.
So
we
want
you
to
expand
part
of
that
Network
how
big
it
went
to
or
where
it
went
to.
AH
That's
the
part
that
I
I
don't
know,
but
I
know
that
the
scoping
memo
was
expanded
and
then
that
was
received
and
accepted
in
August
by
achd
to
their
satisfaction.
H
Follow-Up
questions
of
that
you
mentioned
there
had
been
in
your
slides,
I.
Don't
think
you
actually
addressed
it,
but
there
was
a
conversation
with
achd
this
month
about
accepting
the
traffic
impact
study,
but
not
yet
formally
approving
it
through
the
commission.
Can
you
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more
and
David?
If
you
have
anything
to
add,
I
would
appreciate
it.
Yep.
AH
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Squires,
even
today,
as
as
recently
as
today
from
Paige
and
Mindy
at
achd,
they
acknowledged
that
they
had
accepted
our
traffic
study
in
in
August
that
they
did
not
have
their
formal
review.
But
mitigating
measures
would
be
minimal.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
David
I
think
this
is
for
you,
so
the
neighborhood
association
commented
that
the
development
agreement
needs
to
be
Revisited
in
terms
of
uses.
Has
that
been
a
discussion
amongst
staff
and,
if
so,
obviously,
you're
not
recommending
that?
But
can
you
walk
us
through
that?
A
little
bit
more
sure.
AG
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission
revisiting
the
development
agreement
was
not
really
discussed
among
staff.
It
is
an
entirely
different.
Application
would
have
to
go
back
before
the
city
council
because
it's
considered
part
of
the
Zone.
It's
definitely
something
that
could
be
addressed
or
we
could
talk
about
it,
but
staff
wasn't
was
not
too
concerned.
The
the
existing
da
does
already
prohibit
a
number
of
more
intensive
and
auto-centric
uses,
and
we
thought
those
those
protections
were
adequate.
H
Mr
German
follow-up.
So
what
you're
saying
what
I'm
hearing
you
say,
David
is
you
feel
like
the
development
agreement
in
terms
of
its
limitations
is
appropriate
at
this
time.
Yes
and
then
one
more
follow-up
question
Mr
chairman,
so
regarding
a
Neighborhood,
Activity
Center,
you
seem
comfortable
in
moving
forward
with
the
overall
housing
project
without
a
plan
for
the
Armory.
Can
you
walk
us
through
how
you
all
came
to
that
conclusion?.
AG
Sure
Mr,
chairman
of
the
commission,
that
is,
a
plan
unit
development
for
a
mixed-use
project
comprised
of
both
commercial
and
residential
uses.
The
overall
zone
of
the
site
is
a
C2
zone,
so
the
the
commercial
uses
I
mean
the
C2
Zone
allows
for
a
variety
of
commercial
uses
and
they've
already
been
restricted
by
the
D.A.
So
I
wasn't
going
to
go
into
the
specifics
of
what
they
were
planning
there.
AG
I
just
realized
that
I
mean
they
are
going
to
develop
with
commercial
I
didn't
want
to
get
over
prescriptive
of
what
exactly
they
should
be
putting
into
the
building,
allowing
them
the
opportunity
to
find
the
tenants
that
they
need
so
I
I.
That's
the
reason
why
I
didn't
go
into
too
much
detail
as
to
what
exactly
was
going
to
happen
with
the
with
the
the
Armory
other
than
that
it
would
be
developed
with
commercial
uses
and
that
as
part
of
the
phase,
and
that
would
it
would
and
that
development
would
happen.
H
AG
Mr
chair
members,
commission
that
the
project
is
going
to
provide
55,
000
square
feet
of
commercial
uses
and
a
variety
of
them
that
could
range
from
retail
to
to
restaurants,
to
to
office
on
the
site
and
as
part
of
phase
one
or
phase
two
of
the
project
I
mean.
If
you
look
at
you
could
have
you
could
if
you
want
at
a
condition
that
solidifies
the
phasing
of
this
project
within
as
a
condition
of
approval,
so
you
could
say
phase.
AG
One
would
be
you
know,
first,
one
to
two
years
in
phase
two
would
be
two
to
three
years
to
make
to
get
that
on.
You
know
on
paperwork,
you
know
and
and
down
on
paper,
but
there's
only
two
phases
and
the
applicant's
already
intended
or
stated
that
they're
going
to
be
moving
forward
on
the
tenant
improvements
by
2024,
20
20
25.
That's
only
what
two
three
years
out
so
and
I
felt
comfortable
with
them
on
that.
D
Hang
on,
if
you
will,
what
for
Wednesday
Mr
said,
I
have
one
follow-up
question
for
the
applicant
I
appreciate,
commissioner
Squire's
questioning
about
the
tis
Could.
You
give
us
a
little
for
the
benefit
of
the
audience.
Could
you
give
us
a
little
bit
of
information
is,
what's
included
in
the
scoping
menu,
the
scoping
memo
that
achd
reviewed
prior
to
you
conducting
and
submitting
the
tis.
AH
Yeah
you're
now
you're
getting
into
Tech
super
technical
question.
For
me,
I
I
know
that
the
initial
scoping
memo
was
blocks
a
lot
closer
to
our
property.
Okay,
and
then
there
were
concerns
about
the
hospital
about
Jefferson,
getting
terminated
one
way,
another
intersection
at
warm
Warm
Springs
and
something
down
in
that
area
and
I
know
that
that
scoping
memo
was
expanded
to
include
several
of
those
intersections
that
were
raised
as
concerns.
Okay,.
D
Do
you
happen
to
know,
and
again
this
is
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
audience.
Was
there
any
description
of
the
content
of
what
you're
intending
to
do
with
the
property
within
that
scoping
memo.
AH
Specific
to
our
property
yeah;
yes,
so
bike
Lanes
along
Avenue
H
on
street
parking.
Some
of
those
are
Road
improvements,
site
triangle
on
Reserve
and
then
some
other
bike
improvements
along
Logan
Avenue,
as
well
as
well
as
curb
gutter
sidewalk
and
the
and
side
improvements
there
and
then
burying
power
lines.
Okay,
along
H,
Avenue,
H,
okay,.
AH
We,
oh
yes,
thank
you.
We
also,
and
there
was
a
comment
we
also
scoped,
based
on
55
000
square
feet
of
commercial
uses.
So
there
was
a
comment
about
that.
It
was
only
the
206
multi-family
units.
It
was
all
of
it
in
conjunction
with
assume
a
lot
of
daytime
use
and
evening
use
assumed
in
the
in
the
Armory
building
itself.
U
Chair
while
he's
up
there,
I
got
to
quit
follow-up
for
the
applicant
sure
you
mentioned.
You'd
comply
with
these
PhD
conditions
did.
Was
there
any
reference
from
your
application
to
the
neighborhood
Transportation
plan
that
goes
beyond
motor
vehicles
and
addresses
bike
ped
stuff?
There.
B
U
Okay,
so
follow-up
question
for
the
neighborhood,
then
okay
I
think
Dan
would
be.
U
You
Deanna
Beyond
what
they've
currently
proposed,
what's
in
the
neighborhood
Transportation
plan,
just
to
refresh
for
everyone
that
would
be
appropriate
and
not
significantly
off-site
or
offside
at
all,
that's
within
the
scope
of
this
development.
G
I
think,
within
the
scope
of
this
development,
they
are
doing
well
the
two
things.
First
of
all,
we
did
not
see
the
bike
Lanes
on
H.
So
that's
good
news.
G
We
would
like
to
see
the
the
Franklin
future
Franklin
Bikeway
is
going
to
come
through
here,
at
least
that
that's
our
intent.
We
we're
working
with
achd
to
change
it
a
little
bit
and
we'd
like
to
see
a
three-way
stop
at
Avenue
H
and
Jefferson
McKinley
Corridor
we'd
also
like
to
see
a
three-way
stop
at
Avenue
H
in
reserve.
We've
put
those
preferences
in
that
plan
I,
don't
they
didn't
necessarily
make
it
into
the
plan
as
absolute
projects.
They
were
going
to
be
looked
at.
G
I
I
had
a
question
that
kind
of
that
commissioner
Squires
touched
on
a
little
bit,
but
so
this
is
for
staff
I'm
curious
without
seeing
the
full
property
concept.
Does
the
current
proposal
limit
future
use
of
commercial
like
limit
the
use
in
the
Armory?
I
So,
for
example,
if
they're
talking
about
coffee
shops
and
breweries
or
meeting
spaces,
and
things
like
that,
does
the
current
project
take
away
the
parking
requirements
that
we
would
need
for
those
kinds
of
uses,
or
is
there
still
space
for
I
guess
what
I
would
call
like
a
robust,
Activity,
Center
type
use
in
that
building.
AG
You
know
and
a
shared
parking
plan
that
would
accommodate
for
that.
As
for
the
uses
of
what
happened
there,
it
doesn't
restrict
any
of
those
uses
other
than
what
the
daa
does
already.
They
would
have
to
abide
by
by
the
current
development
code.
So,
if
they're
putting
a
commercial
use
that
requires
some
sort
of
conditional
use
to
permit,
then
they
got
to
come
back
before
the
commission
to
do
that,
but
it
doesn't
restrict
it
beyond
what
the
D.A
already
does.
Thank.
I
J
Think
I'm
in
the
same
vein,
thinking
as
Meredith
is
here
David.
Let
me
I'm
going
to
put
you
on
the
spot
for
a
second
really
quick,
but
I'll
try
to
narrow
it
down
how
if
I
asked
you
how
many
sites
there
are
in
the
city
of
Boise,
where
you
could
put
200
units?
Is
there
20
to
50
or
maybe
more
than
50.
AG
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission
across
the
entire
city
yeah
just
in
the
whole
city
boys
I
mean,
if
there's
spaces
in
the
downtown
that
there
have
there's
no
density
cap
in
the
C5
zone,
so
they're
clearly
any
type
of
depending
on
how
much
money
you
have
you
could
go.
You
could
do
that
there
are
probably
spaces
out
along
or
or
I'm,
not
sure
if
they're
currently
developed
or
not,
but
there
might
be
space
along
between
Fairview
and
Maine
as
you're
going
to
the
connector
that
consensus
currently
still
C5
or
C2.
AG
J
On
the
zone
right,
I
didn't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
pin
you
down
here
too
much
but
anyways
I
guess.
The
question
for
the
applicant,
then,
is
just
why
this
site
for
200
units
I
mean
we
approved
200
units
every
week
up
here.
AH
Why
why
this
site
for
200
units
I
think
that
my
response
would
be
we?
When
we
looked
at
acquiring
this
property,
we
looked
at
underlying
zones,
we
looked
at
permitted
densities,
Heights.
We
certainly
looked
at
the
Neighborhood
Activity
Center
and
we
looked
at
an
ability
to
accommodate.
Let's
call
it
55
000
square
feet
of
of
commercial
use,
even
at
an
average
of
five
stalls
per
you're
talking
about
200
stalls,
so
an
ability
to
build
400
structured
parking
stalls
with
a
significant
portion
of
them
being
Subterranean.
AH
All
of
that
played
into
US
assessing
this
site,
the
200
units
and
55
000
feet
of
of
commercial
uses
to
to
truly
create
a
sense
of
place,
a
much
less
lesser
number
of
units.
As
we've
looked
at
you
know
the
Pearl
District
we've
looked
at
other
areas
in
Vancouver,
wherever
we've
been
getting
rooftops
getting
people
there
getting
people
that
can
be
there
trying
to
create
truly
trying
to
create
an
18-hour
a
day,
a
type
Center
you
we
need
those
we
need
rooftops.
We
need
those
bodies.
AH
We
heard
grave
concern
about
not
becoming
a
vehicular
destination
and
and
I
said
that
it's
a
double-edged
sword.
If
we
create
something
super
cool
people
are
going
to
come.
Today's
instagramable
moments,
people
from
out
of
state,
want
to
go
to
the
cool
spots
right.
So
it's
a
double-edged
sword,
but
making
certain
that
we're
providing
walkability
other
porous
connections
through
pedestrian
bikes,
local
residents
in
that
immediate
area.
It's
also
something
that
we
absolutely
wanted
to
make
certain.
We
were
accommodating.
AH
J
You
very
much
if
I
could
just
follow
on
really
quickly.
Yeah,
please
I
mean
so
I
mean
the
neighborhood.
Obviously
is
super
concerned
with
the
Armory
like
I
mean
I,
think
they're,
like
they
don't
care.
What
else
goes
on
though
they
want.
They
want
something
to
happen
with
the
Army
and
you
know
to
Echo
a
commissioner
stud's
concerns
is
like
we're
not
looking
at
a
whole
plan
here,
which
makes
it
difficult
it's
like
is
this
the
is.
J
These
guys
are
gonna
freak
out.
If
we
end
up
with
you
know,
200
units
of
Apartments
there
and
you
guys,
sell
the
building
in
three
years
and
then
the
armories
left
abandoned.
You
know
like
okay,
well,
we
sold
a
project
and
we
got
our
money
and
we're
out
and
we're
done
so
just
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
as
far
as
the
auto
Centric
thing
goes.
J
J
And
then
you
know,
as
your
drawing
indicated
there
I
mean
as
an
urban
designer
you're
on
the
right
track,
I
think
with
like
a
pybus
public
market
or
something
like
that
and
Wenatchee,
which
is
super
cool
right,
and
you
could
totally
do
something
like
that
in
the
Army
and
it's
but
you're
gonna
have
to
plan
for
that
on
this
site
with
the
Armory
as
more
of
a
forethought
then
like
well,
we'll
get
to
it
when
we
can
get
to
it.
I
mean
it's
like
we're.
J
I,
just
I
just
feel
like,
and
it
sounds
like
that's
where
you're
going
like
we're.
Gonna
need
to
accommodate
a
lot
a
lot
of
traffic
and
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there,
and
we
just
without
a
real
plan
around
the
Armory
I'm,
just
I'm,
like
a
little
just
a
little
bit
worried
that
the
Commission
in
the
city
is
not
going
to
get
the
the
maximum.
You
know
capacity
and
value
out
of
this
project
and
the
neighbors
are
going
to
be
left.
You
know
where
they've
been
for
the
last
20
years
like
when.
V
Page
12
of
your
traffic
impact
study,
specifically
on
that
page
there's
a
table
that
is
under
the
project
conditions,
section
section
four
and
table
five
is
what
I'm
referencing
it
says:
project
land
uses-
and
you
just
testified
a
moment
ago:
58
000
square
feet
of
commercial,
but
when
you
break
that
down,
there
are
two
components
of
that.
So
I
see
office
space
comprising
46
000
square
feet
in
retail
space
at
12
000
square
feet.
Because
so
can
you
just
give
us
a
little
bit
of
sense
to
commissioner
Blanchard's
point?
Where
did
those?
AH
Yeah
Mr,
chair
and
Commissioners,
and
commissioner
Danley
one
of
those
is
specific,
specifically
from
a
tenant
that
we're
talking
to
so
they
do
a
co-working
type
facility,
with
a
brew
pub
a
pizzeria,
those
other
retail
restaurant
uses
for
not
just
the
building
and
and
the
patrons
of
the
building,
but
for
the
greater
area.
So
some
of
those
statistics
are
straight
from
their
plan.
AH
I
think
that
I
know
this
has
been
I
we've
we
presented
five
slides
and
a
couple
of
the
members
of
the
East
End
neighborhood
association
got
to
understand
our
real
passion
for
for
the
building
as
much
as
I
want
to
say.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
AH
I
also
know
if
I
need
to
build
parking
in
order
for
someone
to
come
right
and
so
to
build
a
massive
amount
of
parking
as
a
as
a
standalone
or
as
a
detached
or
a
disconnected
piece
associated
with
the
building
economically
is
is
not
extremely
viable,
and
so,
as
we
looked
at
how
to
do
the
two
of
these,
we
have
absolutely
put
forethought
into
the
Armory
building
itself.
From
some
of
our
very
first
concept,
drawings.
AH
We've
shown
what
the
Armory
building
could
become,
what
the
interior
spaces
could
be,
what
the
spiral
ducting
inside
of
it
could
look
like
what
Windows
could
look
like.
We've
shown
what
food
trucks
could
be
in
in
in
front
of
it
and
associated
with
it.
So
what
I?
What
I
don't
have
today
is.
AH
This
is
100
what
58,
000
square
feet
looks
like,
but
we've
absolutely
tried
to
Think
Through
the
uses
that
are
in
the
zone,
the
uses
that
we
never
would
want
to
be
associated
with
it,
which
are
prohibited
and
and
making
certain
that
we're
thinking
through
circulation
with
fire,
getting
people
in
getting
food
trucks
in
and
out
and
around
fire
trucks
in
and
around
and
and
around
pedestrians
around
the
the
walkabilities
between
the
two
alleys,
the
the
bike
parking.
AH
That's
right
there
off
of
the
alley,
the
common
area
in
front
of
the
Armory
to
make
certain
that
the
front
of
that
building
is
never
lost
along
Reserve
Street.
There's
been
tremendous
forethought
about
the
Armory
building
itself.
I
know
that
in
this
packet
it
might
feel
lacking.
That's
because
we
had
to
start
from
the
ground
up
on
the
parking
lot
adjacent
to
it.
V
All
right
just
clarify
question
for
staff.
So
last
week
we
had
a
staff
report
from
achd
that
was
in
a
way
that
it
delivered
on
a
lot
of
things
that
we
typically
don't
see
from
achd
Hearing
in
this
application
reading
in
this
application,
a
lot
of
concerns
about
traffic
calming
in
the
neighborhood
and
that
staff
report
in
that
application
addressed
many
of
those
things.
So
my
question
is
to
you:
do
we
have
any
sense
of
when
this
application
may
go
in
front
of
the
achd
commission,
because
timing
matters,
foreign.
AG
AC
S
So
question
for
staff
for
the
ra
building.
So
if
we,
if
the
multi-family
aspect
of
this
aside,
if
this
were
just
an
application
for
the
Armory
building
and
it
was
proposed
to
be
46,
000
square
feet
of
office,
space
with
and
12
000
square
feet
or
I,
guess
it
would
be
9
000
square
feet
of
retail
space.
Would
that
even
come
before
the
commission
at
all?
In
this
Zone
Mr.
S
Mr
chair,
please
so
the
biggest
item
that
we're
really
looking
at
and
obviously
the
site
as
a
whole
is
important,
and
you
know
the
parking
aspect
comes
into
play,
but
the
the
piece
of
this
kind
of
puzzle-
that's
really
triggering
the
cep
process
is-
is
that
obviously
a
PUD
and
the
height
exemption
as
well.
S
AG
It
is
the
Planning
Development,
it's
the
residential
portion
of
this,
and
the
height
exception
that
are.
That
brings
us
before
you.
A
S
One
more
so
because
of
this
historic
aspect:
I
know
it's
not
in
a
C2
DH
Zone,
but
will
it
go
before
any
sort
of
historic
preservation
committee
or
anything
like
that?.
AG
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
it
will
not
go
before
the
historic
preservation
Commission
because
it
is
not
a
historic
district.
It.
The
the
Armory
itself,
is
not
in
the
design
review
overlay,
it's
just
the
apartment
building.
Next
to
it.
That
is
the.
U
Mr
chair,
oh
yeah,
please
drop
a
question
for
staff
reference,
the
Epic
achd
report
from
last
week.
That
was
wonderful.
How
can
we
recreate
that
to
commissioner
danley's
question
specifically,
the
applicant
sounds
like
they're
willing
to
obviously
impose
or
construct
whatever
achd
calls
out
in
that
report
whenever
it
comes
what's
the
status
of
the
city,
communicating
our
vision
to
achd
on
this
about.
This
is
what
we
want
this
neighborhood
to
look
like
Street,
streetscape,
wise.
AG
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
the
city
and
the
highway
district
of
having
ongoing
conversations
on
streetscape
and
and
Road
design
and
and
these
type
of
design
features.
It's
an
ongoing
discussion
that
the
city
and
ACC
are
having
on
this,
and
we
we
hope
that
maybe
they
you
know
that
they
provide
another
Stellar
shaft
report
like
they
did
last
time,
and
that
is
our
plan.
But
we
are
always
working
with
them
and
expressing
our
desires
and
they're
more
than
willing
to
hear
us
out
and
and
work
with
us
on
that.
U
Q
AG
Mr
chair
members
of
the
of
the
commission,
nothing
through
the
city
that
I
know
there
might
be
something
through
shippo
that
might
shiple
might
get
involved
with
the
state.
Historic
preservation.
I
am
not
an
expert
actually
on
that,
but
I
know
the
historic.
The
city
doesn't
get
involved
in
when
it's
when
something's
on
the
National
Historic
register.
Q
AG
E
Q
AG
Mr
Mr
chair
members,
commission,
as
far
as
I
understand
the
being
on
the
on
the
register,
gives
you
certain
benefits
and
bonuses
on
maybe
tax
exemption
or
or
grants
or
things
of
that
nature.
If
you're
trying
to
redevelop
or
improve
the
site,
but
maybe
somebody
else
might
have
a
better
idea.
I
just
don't
know
what
exactly
it
entails.
Mr.
I
Chair
I
believe
in
our
experience
Janelle
that
that's
not,
there
are
no
City
protections
if
something's
on
the
national
register,
historic,
but
the
EastEnders
might
the
neighborhood
might
know
better
than
that.
But
that's
my
understanding.
Okay,
all.
V
Mr
chairman
commissioner,
daily
this
can
be
answered
by
Mr,
Moser
or
Deanna
from
the
neighborhood
association,
but
I
believe
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
the
intersection
of
reserve
and
Mountain
right
there
where
the
park
is.
Is
that
a
isn't
that
not
a
pedestrian
hybrid
Beacon?
Is
it
a
full
Hawk
I
know
it's
also
the
fire
department
there,
though
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
up
and
down
nods,
so.
I
G
A
D
I've
got
a
couple
questions
David,
a
question
for
you:
can
you
confirm
for
us
I
believe
the
applicant
has
submitted
or
started
the
process
to
consolidate
the
two
Parcels
into
one?
Is
that
correct.
AG
Mr
chair
members,
members
of
the
commission,
that
is
correct.
There
is
a
record
of
survey
for
the
parcel
consolidation
the
it
has
been
approved,
but
it
has
not
been
finaled.
A
condition
could
be
added
requiring
that
be
done
before
building
permits,
okay,.
D
Terrific
thank
you
and
then
a
question
for
Deanna
or
gray
from
the
neighboring
Association.
You
know
Greg.
During
your
testimony.
You
mentioned
the
neighbor
Association,
looking
for
some
sort
of
a
mechanism
to
sort
of
keep
in
check
what
the
developers
proposing
on
the
property
and
paraphrasing
what
you
said.
D
I
guess
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused
by
that
statement.
You
know
we
have
a
DA
on
the
property.
You've
had
multiple
yeah.
Please
have
multiple
meetings
with
the
developer.
Here
you
know
the
zone
you've
seen
concept
imagery
regarding
potential
uses
for
the
Army
building
itself.
So
could
you
maybe
clarify
a
little
bit
for
us?
What
you're?
What
you're
thinking
you
might
want
to
see
or
another
mechanism.
AI
Yeah
hi
I,
don't
know
hi
guys
sure
I
was
when
I
went
through
two
days
ago,
when
I
was
typing
up
the
allowed
uses
and
found
70
of
them.
AI
If
you
go
down
that
list
of
70
I
mean
we
know
that
the
bikini
bars
and
the
auto
shops
and
the
bus
stations,
but
halfway
house,
I
I,
don't
know
I
just
think
that
it's
so
important
with
the
Armory
and
the
Neighborhood
Activity
Center
we're
accepting
200
units.
Okay
on
a
site
that,
if
I
don't.
K
AI
U
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr
chair
I
got
another
follow-up
for
the
neighborhood
great,
please,
commissioner,
Moody
yeah.
So
regarding
yeah
regarding
protection
of
the
Armory,
then
in
the
written
testimony
from
Ena
it,
the
the
request
is
for
us
to
condition
the
application
to
require
a
historic
planner
to
come
forward,
and
my
question
is:
what
would
that
plan?
What
would
that
historic
plan
or,
and
what
would
that
plan
serve
to
do
well.
AI
We
have
other
I'm
not
on
the
historic
preservation
side
of
it.
I
think
that's
a
good
question.
Well,.
G
20
minute
presentation,
we're
gonna,
have
20
20
minutes
learning.
We
we're
only
going
to
have
10.,
so
you
didn't
get
all
of
it.
We
do
have
a
couple.
People
in
the
audience
are
going
to
speak
to
that,
but
specifically
to
your
question,
John,
the
historic,
preservationist
and
I
think
you
also
saw
it
very
well
in
in
preservation,
Idaho's
testimony.
G
There
is
there's
lack
of
any
mitigation,
and
one
of
our
greatest
concerns
is
while
you,
the
developer,
has
tried
to
continue
to
provide
some
sight
line
of
the
the
what
we
call
the
North
side
or
the
Avenue
H
side.
That
really
is
a
significant
part
of
the
building,
and
today
you
can
see
it
from
the
neighborhood
and
it's
part
of
the
neighborhood.
It
will
be
lost.
It
will
be
swallowed
by
this
building,
so
we're
concerned
about
just
losing
that
period,
but
there's
other
concern.
There's
no
mention
of.
G
G
Mitigation
and
I
just
want
to
say
to
someone's
Point
earlier
about
the
tax
potential
if
they
do
nothing
the
Armory
for
whoever
might
try
and
develop
or
do
something
with
it
will
lose
any
of
that
potential
for
getting
any
of
those
historic
tax
credits
if,
if
they
develop
this
in
such
a
way
that
the
Armory
loses
enough
of
its
historic
value,
it's
not
just
the
building
itself.
It's
the
site,
great.
U
D
If
this
body
were
to
add
a
condition
tonight
to
give
a
little
bit
more
direction
to
the
developer
regarding
I'm
rebuilding,
do
you
feel
comfortable
with
the
Testament
you've
given
in
so
far
or
do
you
feel
like
we
need
to
get
a
little
bit
more
specific
about
the
uses
that
are
allowed
within
the
zone
that
we
would
like
to
you'd
like
to
verbally
specify
you
don't
want
to
see
with
the
building?
Well,.
AI
That's
a
good
question:
I,
don't
know
what
the
verbiage
of
the
condition
would
be
one
concern,
and
this
is
not
the
alpha
developments
fault.
The
neighbors
have
really
gone
out
of
the
way.
We
have
a
lot
of
very
concerned
neighbors
with
the
Armory,
not
me
so
I'm
just
going
there,
and
they
have
offered
a
lot
of
suggestions
for
local
people
to
take
the
Armory
and
try
to
do
something
with
it.
It's
a
tough,
it's
a
tough
project.
AI
We
all
know
it's
a
tough
project
and
you
know
their
apartment
developers
and
they've
even
said
so,
and
they're
good
guys
and
they're
good
compartment
developers,
but
they
didn't.
They
basically
told
us,
wait,
let's
get
the
apartment
approved
and
then
we'll
talk
to
you
about
the
Armory,
and
so
there
was
there
is
a
you
know.
AI
D
Okay,
all
right!
Thanks,
everybody
we'll
go
ahead
then,
and
open
this
up
for
public
testimony.
I've
got
a
couple
folks
that
signed
up
ahead
of
time.
Gordon,
trouncing
and
Chris
Cook
come
on
up.
Podium's
free
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
testify,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AL
Good
evening,
Gordon
transen
1143
East
Santa,
Maria,
Drive,
Right,
In,
ldapi,
Heights
right
above
the
armory
there's
the
things
that
can
happen
within
the
zoning
requirements,
and
we
have
feelings
that
maybe
it
should
be
looked
at
also
from
a
different
perspective.
AL
I.E.
This
proposal
is
within
the
limits
of
the
height
45
feet,
with
the
exception
of
the
elevator
Towers,
it's
within
the
density.
When
you
combine
the
two
lots
together,
it's
within
the
the
density
of
that,
however,
there's
also
really
is
this
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
and
I'm,
not
sure
whether
that
even
can
restrict
what's
happening
there.
AL
If
you
you've
looked
at
the
plans
that
they've
shown
it's
a
nice
looking
building
not
for
this
site,
though
not
for
this
neighborhood.
What
I'm
saying
is
it's
like
a
big
box,
Warehouse,
that's
plopped
down
in
the
middle
of
the
neighborhood.
That
has
nothing
like
it
around.
It's
the
only
one
that
that
pops
up
and
has
a
a
true
presence
again
nice
looking,
but
as
a
neighbor
looking
down
on
it
driving
by
it
every
day,
it's
a
it's
a
large
building,
it's
a
large
footprint
and
I.
AL
Don't
know
if
there's
anything
that
could
be
done,
that
would
reduce
the
size
or
the
the
height
of
that,
because
it's
within
the
zone,
I'm,
not
sure
I.
Just
don't
think
that
it's
that
compatible
with
it
also
I
do
have
a
concern
with
the
traffic
study.
AL
There
has
been
no
official
traffic
study
on
this
yet
in
years,
it's
in
the
process
of
being
so
I
really
do
feel
that
if
we
approve
this
more
tonight,
but
if
we
approve
this
tonight
that
we're
really
getting
the
cart
before
the
the
horse
on
it,
I
really
would
like
to
see
that
there's
there's
all
sorts
of
things
that
are
brought
up
in
that
mitigation
or
sorry
that
are
brought
up
within
that
study.
You
know
as
far
as
mitigating
the
traffic,
but
the
reality
of
it.
AL
This
many
people
living
in
that
area
is
going
to
have
a
huge
impact
on
the
traffic
I
mean
whatever
it
shows
and
again
I.
Don't
know
how
you're
gonna
balance
that
out
or
what
you
have
to
look
at,
but
I
would
really
like
to
see
that
we
do
have
that
study
before
we
do
pursued
any
further
trying
to
think
what
else
try
to
get
through
I
just
appreciate
tonight.
AL
It's
been
great
working
with
Dave
and
with
the
staff
We've
also
reached
out
to
the
developers
that
perhaps
we
can
get
them
up
to
our
home
to
look
at
it
and
get
a
perspective
from
Ours
from
our
neighborhood
it'd
be
great
to
visit
the
people
that
live
right
down
next
to
it
Etc.
So
you
know,
and
also
that
there
was
new
information
that
was
presented
here.
That
was
not
in
the
package,
which
is
good
information.
The
uses
of
the
armor
Etc.
AL
What
I'd
really
like
to
see
is
that
we
have
that
opportunity
to
to
digest
that
a
little
bit
more
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
developers.
Again,
there's
been
no
official
meeting
between
the
developers
and
Ena
or
the
Armory
committee
since
this
application
was
filed,
so
there's
a
lot
of
new
things,
there's
a
new
design,
a
much
better
design,
even
though
I
don't
like
it,
but
that's
personal
opinion.
So,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
D
Chris
Cook
signed
up
okay.
Anyone
else
here
in
the
audience
would
like
to
testify
come
on
up.
Please.
AM
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Josh
Koontz
I
live
at
2683
North
Peregrine
place
I
own
the
single
family
home
at
611,
East,
Reserve
Street,
which
is
approximately
100
yards
west
of
this
proposed
development
on
reserve.
Within
spitting
distance
of
that
crosswalk,
we
talked
about
just
in
front
of
the
fire
station
at
the
Mountain
Cove
intersection.
AM
I,
really
think
the
committee
and
all
of
you
for
providing
this
time
and
for
the
developers
providing
the
opportunities
they
have
I'm,
not
opposed
to
the
development
of
this
property.
I
think
the
armor
is
in
a
real
special
spot
has
an
opportunity
to
be
a
really
great
spot
for
the
community.
However,
based
on
what
I've
read
and
what
I've
learned
from
attending
earlier
meetings,
I
do
not
think
this
is
an
intelligent
plan.
AM
You
heard
earlier
the
feedback
from
the
neighborhood
when
we
met
earlier
with
the
developers
was
such
that
their
concerned
about
the
Armory
and
the
original
building
I
feel
that
they've
glossed
over.
Those
concerns
about
the
actual
scope,
the
size
of
the
number
of
residences
in
that
building.
I
will
tell
you
from
those
earlier
meetings.
Some
of
those
that
feedback
was
very
heated
felt
that
over
200
units
was
just
ludicrous
for
that
space.
AM
I
see
that
they
did
reduce
that
number
from
the
original
I
believe
it
was
215
to
206..
That's
a
four
percent
reduction.
AM
The
tenor
I
felt
from
that
room
was
people
were
looking
more
for
lucky
north
of
20
reduction,
as
this
gentleman
just
talked
about
the
simple
size
that
building
is
just
something
that
is
not
compatible
with
what
is
currently
in
that
neighborhood
I
know
a
lot
of
you
probably
spent
some
time
in
that
area.
Just
like
to
remind
members
of
the
committee,
that's
adjacent
to
a
busy
City
Park,
the
military
Reserve
Trailhead,
the
bike
park,
the
dog
park,
the
fire
station
there
is
that
crosswalk
right
there.
AM
That
goes
to
a
Girl
Scout
facility
and,
of
course,
many
private
homes.
Syria
is
already
a
busy
Hub.
You
know.
I
am
deeply
concerned
that
if
we
add
a
facility
with
200
units,
we
are
going
to
create
massive
traffic
problems
to
go
forward
per
the
traffic
study.
That
was
in
the
plan.
The
hills
engineering
study
see
that
the
current
average
daily
trips
on
Reserve
Street
was
documented
as
4
390.
AM
That's
an
increase
of
59
on
Reserve
Street
I
may
have
my
numbers
a
little
bit
off
there,
but
please
double
check
those
Reserve
Street
is
already,
in
my
opinion,
a
bit
of
a
drag
race
strip
from
the
roundabout
down
there
by
St
Luke's
towards
military
Reserve.
I
think
we
would
have
major
issues
along
Reserve,
Street
and
I'd.
Ask
that
as
you
guys
meet
with
achd.
Look
at
that
Reserve
Street
quarter,
Corridor
for
safety,
there's
tons
of
kids
using
that
area
to
access
the
park.
I
know
there
is
that
crosstalk,
where
you
can
push
the
button.
AM
I
can
see.
Every
day
from
my
place,
people
go
cruising
across
there.
People
on
trail
runs
biking,
safety
could
be
increased
or
improved
already.
So
I
just
would
in
closing
here
just
like
say
that
I
think
this
is
incompatible.
At
the
current
plan
I'd
like
to
see
the
committee
deny
the
current
proposal
and
ask
them
to
reapply
with
a
substantially
scaled
down
design
with
fewer
residences
and
a
substantially
beefed
up
traffic
and
pedestrian
plan.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
D
D
Right,
we'll
move
to
the
folks
that
are
online.
We'll
start
got
a
few
folks
in
the
queue
we
start
with
Mr
Kingston
staff.
A
AK
Hi
there
Eric
Kingston
again
1010
East
Jefferson
I'm,
not
going
to
try
any
tricky
presentations.
This
time,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
echo
what
Gordon
mentioned
about
the
sort
of
Armory
or
the
the
Armory
Apartments,
really
not
fitting
in
with
the
massing
and
scaling
and
design
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
it's
the
kind
of
it's
the
kind
of
project
that
that
would
fit
in
great
along
Myrtle
Street,
where
we've
already
got.
AK
You
know
a
dozen
of
those,
but
it's
it's
being
cited
right
next
to
a
one-of-a-kind,
historic
Armory
that
has
been
part
of
that
neighborhood's
history
and
Heritage,
and
we're
not
going
to
get
it
back
once
we
lose
the
the
aspects
of
that
building,
they're
gone
forever
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
point
out
the
you
know.
The
piece
on
housing
I
know
Boise's
really
looking
for
more
housing
right
now,
but
the
bottom
line
is
when
housing
is
Out
Of
Reach.
For
for
our
Workforce,
they
are
housing,
costs
burdened.
AK
We
we
wind
up,
seeing
a
shift
in
costs
and
externalized
cost.
It
goes
to
taxpayers
when
people
can't
afford
housing
and
that
represents
or
that
that's
results
in
what's
called
foregone
spending.
That's
money
that
that's
taken
up
by
high
rents
that
consume
more
than
30
or
50
percent
of
the
household
budget
that
aren't
going
into
local
taxable
goods
and
services,
and
the
estimates
in
2020
were
that
Idaho
lost
971
million
dollars
to
foregone
spending
tight
housing
cost
burden.
We
really
need
Workforce
housing.
AK
We've
got
plenty
of
unaffordable
housing
right
now
and
so
I
think
you
know
it's
it's
hard
to
argue
that
there's
a
real
benefit
to
the
community
from
this
project,
without
some
concrete
plan
to
preserve
and
activate
the
Armory
and
and
keep
it,
and
it's
just
keep
its
historic
values
intact.
AK
So
I
think
what
we
really
need
to
ask
ourselves.
Is
you
know
what
what
are
we
going
to
think
you
know,
10
years
from
now
when
the
armor
is
still
empty.
AK
You
know
we've
missed
a
lot
of
opportunities
with
that
building
over
the
last
15
years.
That
I've
been
involved
with
it,
and
it's
really
hard
to
think
that
we're
going
to
just
kind
of
you
know
cross
our
fingers
and
hope
for
the
best
on
this
one,
without
seeing
some
real
definite
plans
in
place.
So
I'd
urge
you
to
reconsider
this
and
maybe
send
it
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
and
take
another
look
at
it.
When
we've
got
some
real
firm
plans
for
the
entire
project,
the
entire
five
acre
parcel.
Thank
you.
AN
Yeah
this
is
Chris
Cook.
My
address
is
1164
Santa
Maria,
Drive
I'm,
also
in
aldaba
Heights,
just
above
the
proposed
site
and
yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
that
the
proposed
the
proposal
is
is
it
would
be
a
great
addition
to
the
neighborhood
I'm,
not
really
super
concerned
about
the
density.
AN
I
think,
ultimately,
that
we
need
developers
to
build
more
housing
in
Boise
and
the
less
housing
that
we
build
means
that
prices
are
going
to
be
higher
and
we
we
do
need
more
supply
and
supply
is
going
to
lower
prices,
and
so
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
project
for
the
neighborhood,
because,
frankly,
the
Armory
site
has
been
sitting
vacant
for
so
long.
That
I
would
hate
to
see
this
thing
pushed
off,
and
then
we
go
into
a
recession
and
then
another
10
years
down
the
road.
AN
We
still
have
nothing
at
the
site
and
so
I
think
what
the
developer
is
pro
proposed
is
looks.
Great
I
would
like
to
see
kind
of
a
flashing
crosswalk
at
Aviation
reserve
and
also
some
kind
of
ensure
that
no
parking
take
takes
place
on
Reserve
Street
I
do
use
that
regularly
with
my
kids
and
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
just
considered
as
far
as
addressing
people
not
parking
along
Reserve.
If
the
event,
if
there's
a
busy
event
at
the
future
Armory
site
but
yeah.
AN
Think
I
think
that
adding
some
some
kind
of
condition
in
in
the
in
the
development
agreement
that
the
developer
needs
to
do
something
with
the
Armory
and
some
timeline
is,
is
relevant
but
I,
don't
I,
think
that's
probably
the
the
moment
would
be.
My
suggestion
also
is
just
to
have
that
and
then,
as
far
as
I
don't
know
if
this
is
relevant
so
much
but
during
construction,
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
all
parking
for
any
construction
workers
is
on
the
site
as
opposed
to
the
nearby
streets.
AN
E
D
N
D
Perhaps
we'll
move
on
Diane,
maybe
move
on
to
the
next
person
in
line
and
we'll
Circle
back
to
you
in
a
minute.
The
next
person
we
have
is
Sheila
Grisham.
AO
Good
evening,
Mr,
chair
and
good
evening,
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Sheila
Grisham
and
I
live
at
1204
East,
State,
Street,
Boise,
83712
I
am
currently
the
president
of
the
Easton
neighborhood
association
and
have
been
involved
in
this
application
process.
The
neighborhood
meetings
and
meetings
with
Alpha
group,
the
Armory
building
at
801
Reserve,
was
built
in
1931
and
is
on
the
National
Historic
register,
which
makes
this
beautiful
building
worthy
of
preservation.
AO
The
East
End
neighborhood
association
and
the
Armory
committee
members
have
had
several
meetings
with
Brad
and
Dustin
at
Alpha
group,
and
they
have
listened
to
the
and
responded
to
our
concerns.
With
the
exception
of
one,
the
Armory
building
itself
that
that
development
would
come
later,
the
Armory
has
been
identified
as
an
activity
center
in
the
East
End
Neighborhood
plan.
An
alpha
group
has
expressed
interest
to
do
so.
However,
there
are
no
actual
plans
in
place
to
date.
AO
Part
of
the
Secretary
of
anterior
standards
would
include
that
any
new
additions,
exterior
alterations
or
related
new
construction
will
not
destroy
historic
materials
features
and
spatial
relationships
that
characterize
the
property.
As
the
plan
of
the
development
stands
now,
the
project
crowds
the
Armory
and
does
not
provide
enough
setbacks.
How
will
this
impact
the
Armory
and
its
status
on
the
National
Historic
register,
not
to
mention
the
close
proximity
of
the
new
building.
AO
To
the
Armory,
what
precautions
will
be
taken
to
ensure
damage
is
not
done
to
the
Armory
during
construction.
We
know
that
housing
is
needed
in
Boise
and
that
this
ear
area
will
be
developed.
Ina
is
asking
that
you
make
sure
the
history
of
the
Armory
building
be
preserved
and
acknowledged
and
honor
its
place
on
the
National
Historic
register
and
in
Boise's
history.
Thank
you.
D
AJ
Hi
Mr,
chair
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Cindy
montoto
I
live
at
718,
East,
McKinley,
Street
and
I.
Apologize
in
advance,
I
am
quite
old
this
evening
and
was
planning
on
being
there
to
testify,
but
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
get
through
my
next
couple
of
minutes,
I
currently
serve
as
Vice
chair
on
the
city's
historic
preservation,
commission
and
I'm.
AJ
Vice
president
on
the
Ina
board,
however,
I'm
speaking
tonight
on
my
own
personal
Accord,
and
to
confirm
the
discussion
of
the
commission
earlier,
there
are
no
protections
for
the
Armory
site
with
national
registry
status
and
easement
would
provide
some
level
of
protection,
but
Alaska
does
not
currently
have
that,
and
commissioner
Blanchard
had
asked
how
many
sites
you
can
put
200
units
on
in
the
city
of
Boise,
and
the
question
really
should
be
how
many
historic
sites
can
you
put
200
units
on
in
the
city
of
Boise
and
the
applicant
had
also
mentioned
in
his
testimony,
maintaining
and
creating
a
sense
of
place
and
a
sense
of
place.
AJ
This
historic
preservation
verbiage?
The
commission
really
needs
to
consider
the
history
of
this
place,
since
this
project
will
not
go
before
historic
preservation.
Commission
preservationists
often
talk
about
a
community's
sense
of
place
in
relation
to
creating
identifying
or
enhancing
the
sense
of
place
of
that
site.
Consider
landscape
purpose
sounds
location,
Etc
I
live
just
to
the
south
of
this
project,
and
traffic
is
critical.
AJ
Myself
and
many
of
my
neighbors
are
deeply
concerned
about
this,
and
I've
personally
met
with
Chief
weiniger
about
the
enforcement
of
the
speeding
on
the
Jefferson
McKinley
Corridor
twice
since
Halloween
today,
officer
Shem
Reilly
was
out
pulling
cars
over
clocking
in
at
above
34
miles
an
hour,
and
we
are
a
residential
20
mile
an
hour
Street.
AJ
AJ
Please
defer
this
project
versus
conditioning
it
until
the
applicant
can
address
all
of
these
concerns.
As
you
well
know,
conditions
are
very
difficult
to
oversee
and
enforce.
Thank
you
so
much.
D
M
Great
I'm
Allison
Hooten
I
live
at
8
22
East
McKinley
I'm,
not
sure
why
I'm
being
identified
as
Diane,
but
this
is
Allison
I
live
at
the
corner
of
Avenue
H
and
McKinley
I.
Don't
have
original
thoughts
to
add
to
the
conversation,
but
I
want
to
share
them
for
the
record.
All
the
same,
as
has
been
mentioned,
achd
has
not
formally
commented
on
this
project,
but
two
different
achg
engineers
and
planners
have
expressed
concerns
to
the
McKinley
Neighbors
about
the
absorption
of
traffic
from
the
development
onto
the
McKinley
and
Jefferson
corridor.
M
I
respectfully
disagree
with
the
applicant's
response
earlier
to
the
commission's
question
about
the
traffic
impact
study
scoping
memo
in
the
report
that
I
saw
achd
looked
at
reserve
and
they
looked
at
Avenue
H
to
Logan.
Only
so
if,
if
the
material
I
got
is
the
most
recent,
then
that
would
mean
that
Jefferson
Warm,
Springs
and
McKinley
were
excluded.
In
the
report
that
I
saw
and
as
Cindy
just
mentioned,
we
have
well-documented
existing
traffic
issues
on
McKinley.
M
Why
not
wait
to
see
if
that
partnership
comes
to
fruition,
and
then
we
can
all
work
with
known
and
real
variables
as
it
relates
to
the
Armory
use
and
the
subsequent
subsequent
traffic
that
commercial
property
might
also
put
into
the
neighborhood
I
want
to
thank
the
commission
and
I
applaud
your
stamina
this
evening.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
D
Okay
looks
like
we
might
be
in
the
clear
there:
staff,
okay,
all
right,
I,
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
testimony
portion
of
this
item
and
now
return
back
to
the
applicant
for
five
minutes
of
rebuttal.
AH
Thank
you
for
your
time.
We
we
certainly
appreciate
the
passion
that
neighbors
have
and
we
appreciate
the
passion
of
the
Armory
building.
I've
told
the
the
neighbors
this
a
couple
of
different
times.
One
of
the
major
reasons
we
bought
this
property
was
because
of
the
Armory
building.
AH
If
you
haven't
been
in
the
Armory
building
the
first
time
you
go
in
the
Armory
building,
you
fall
in
love
with
the
Armory
building,
I
pay,
gobs
and
gobs
and
gobs
of
money
to
do
board
form
concrete
on
new
projects
because
of
how
cool
it
is,
and
it
is
in
this
building
the
wood
bar
the
wood
barrel.
Roof
is
in
this
building.
AH
I
know
that
this
is
anecdotal
and
means
nothing
to
you,
but
my
business
partner
would
tell
you
a
property
called
sink
in
Salt
Lake.
Had
a
four-story
central
warehouse,
I'm
happy
to
send
all
of
you
photos,
we
cut
the
back
half
of
the
warehouse
off
to
make
certain
that
we
could
preserve
it
and
provide
parking
for
that
space
to
become
something
we
spent
three
million
dollars
on
a
historic
building.
That
was
not
on
historic
registry.
That
would
have
been
far
easier
to
raise
the
the
protections
that
this
group
has
I
can't
raise
this
building.
AH
It
says
it
in
the
D.A
I
can't
raise
it.
I
can't
make
substantial
changes
to
the
exterior
of
this
building.
What
I
don't
know
is
my
timing.
If
you
guys
approve
this
tonight,
I
have
an
idea
of
what
my
timing
looks
like
I
have
an
idea
of
how
long
how
quickly
I
can
provide
building
permits
to
the
City
review
them
construct.
AH
A
building
and
I
have
an
idea
that
I
can
tell
a
tenant
in
April
May
of
2025
I
will
have
400
parking
stalls
that,
if
they're
ready
to
open
their
doors
to
use
some
of
those
parking
stalls
great
if
I
don't
get
that
approval,
I,
don't
know,
and
so
I've
got
a
little
bit
of
a
chicken
and
an
egg
I.
The
70
uses
that
that
Greg
talked
about
I
I.
We
we
could
go
through
all
of
those
I'm
sure
some
of
them
are
probably
aren't,
aren't
appropriate.
AH
AH
Inside
of
the
C2,
we've
tried
to
present
what
our
intentions
for
the
Armory
building
itself
are,
and
approval
of
this
PUD
is
is
a
massive
step
for
us
to
be
able
to
deliver
on
this
project
Place
making
and
the
creation
of
what
we're
trying
to
create
at
the
Armory.
So
I
appreciate
that
if
you
have
any
final
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
take
them
on.
Otherwise
we
respectfully
request
your
approval
of
this
matter
tonight.
D
S
D
Great
I
have
a
commission
condition
motion
to
approve
sorry,
it's
getting
a
little
late
motion
to
approve
by
commissioner
Moore
in
a
second
by
commissioner
stead.
Commissioner
Moore,
you
want
to
kick
us
off
on
discussion.
S
Absolutely
so
Mr
chair
the
the
biggest
reasons
I
think
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
between
the
neighborhood
and
developer
and
it's
kind
of
showing
that
you
know
a
great
way
to
work
together
and
I.
Think
that's
really
positive.
I
think
you
know,
there's
still
some
things
that
aren't
disagreeing
and
that's
I
think
that's.
Okay,
getting
everybody
in
agreement
is
going
to
be
extremely
difficult
or
impossible.
I
think
this.
S
The
project
is
doing.
Some
very
does
have
some
Merit
to
it.
It's
providing
housing
near
an
activity
center
near
Recreation
with
the
direct
you
know,
route
to
you,
know,
area,
areas
of
kind
of
work,
and
things
like
that
I
think
it's
a
very
desirable
area,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
actual
Armory
itself.
This
project
will
go
through
design
review
in
those
list
of
uses
there
are
conditional
uses.
Those
would
come
forth
commission
again,
so
in
not
every
sort
of
noxious.
These
are
every
sort
of
use
that
might
not
be
compatible
it.
S
It
will
be
reviewed
again
if
it's,
if
it's
kind
of
in
that
conditional
category
so
I,
think
because
of
those
reasons,
and
because
you
know
the
next
step
for
our
staff
report
is
that
the
project
will
require
a
design
review
for
the
Pud
portion,
I'm
comfortable
with
with
it
as
presented.
I
First,
this
is
such
a
great
spot
for
housing
for
multi-family
housing.
It
is
walkable
to
almost
anything
you
want
to
get
to
in
Boise
to
jobs
and
Grocery
and
downtown
it's
a
great
spot
for
housing.
I
I
I
So
that
is
not
so
much
an
issue
for
me
either
as
far
as
safety
I
heard,
one
of
the
neighbors
talk
about
safety
there
and
it's
true
people
blow
through
like
pedestrians
and
bikers
blow
through
that
by
the
fire
station,
without
stopping
and
waiting
for
the
light
to
change,
but
there's,
although
it
seems
counterintuitive
more
activity,
can
actually
slow
traffic
and-
and
they
shouldn't
do
that.
So
don't
do
that.
If
you
do
that,
wait
for
the
light
and
then
lastly
I
think
another
comment
was
about
street
parking.
I
I
However,
if
it
you
know,
if
parking
becomes
an
issue
achd
has
you
know
you
can
do
residential
parking
only
or
you
know
parking
permits
or
timed
parking
things
like
that.
So
I
encourage,
if
that
becomes
an
issue,
I
encourage
the
neighborhood
to
work
with
achd
on
those
kind
of
mitigation
efforts,
and
for
those
reasons,
and
also
for
what
commissioner
Moore
stated,
I
support
the
motion.
V
Chairman
commissioner
Danley
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
of
the
motion
and
I
I'm,
just
looking
at
some
of
the
evidence,
I
guess
I
have
number
one.
We
have
an
empty
lot
number
two.
We
have
an
Armory
and
I'm
history.
Major
I
was
on
the
Ada
County
historic
preservation
committee
for
a
while
and
I
appreciate
history.
No
doubt
about
that.
I,
look
at
it
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
man.
V
This
is
a
a
building
that
has
not
has
seen
a
heartbeat
in
a
long
time
and
having
a
good
number
of
residents
right
in
this
right
next
door
in
its
Shadows,
basically
or
you
know,
could
very
well
help
make
that
happen
and
prompt
that
and
be
a
catalyst
for
this.
We
know
we
need
housing,
we
have
professional,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
shortage
not
only
that
we
have
large
employers.
V
The
last
thing,
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
with
respect
to
the
traffic
issue
and
achd
I
I
would
prefer
that
we
see
their
plans
I.
Think
that
that's
the
preferred
method.
We
all
know
that
that's
the
system
that
we
have
occasionally
rears
this
type
of
its
head.
D
Okay,
we're
good
I'll
sound
off
real
quickly,
I'm,
also
going
to
be
in
support
of
the
motion.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
the
testimony
and
the
discussion
tonight.
D
I
think
this
is
really
exciting
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
ways,
the
neighborhood
association
is
agreeing
with
what
you're
proposing
I
think
that
there
is
a
question
of
trust
and,
for
me,
I
think
that
a
lot
of
that
was
vetted
out
tonight,
which
is
why
we're
here
right
to
understand
the
concerns
and
the
issues.
D
So
I
have
a
lot
of
trust
that,
as
you
continue
to
work
on
your
programming,
that
you're
going
to
do
the
right
thing
and
continue
to
discuss
with
the
neighborhood
what
they
would
like
to
see
at
that
site.
I
think
there's
a
great
opportunity
here.
There's
a
lot
of
energy
in
that
neighborhood.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
passion
the
bike
park
opened
a
couple
of
years
ago.
D
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
energy,
it's
a
great
spot
for
info,
like
commissioner
stead,
commissioner
Danley
mentioned
previously
in
their
comments,
so
I'm
excited
I
think
it's
a
great
move,
there's
a
lot
of
protections
within
the
D.A
as
well
for
the
site
as
well
and
the
property,
so
my
full
support
for
the
project
moving
forward
and
I
wish
you
all
the
best
of
luck
and
I
hope
that
you
continue
to
keep
the
lines
of
communication
open
with
the
neighborhood
all
right
with
that
any
other
thoughts,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
boat.
K
D
Thanks
everybody,
yes
commissioner's
Dead,.
AI
D
Okay,
folks,
before
we
wrap
it
up,
we
got
a
motion
to
defer
our
last
three
items.
We
got
to
take
care
of
so
one
more
little
housekeeping
item
tonight.
Any
discussion.
D
Gotta
we
gotta
wrap
up.
Thank
you
guys,
okay
motion
to
defer
our
last
three
items.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
V
D
Great
thanks,
everybody
happy
holidays,
see
you
in
2023..
We
are
adjourned.