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C
Want
to
get
your
trophy
do
that
yeah!
Well
folks,
good
evening,
I
see
it's
six
o'clock
and
I
believe
we
have
all
my
council
members
and
our
critical
staff
members
here
in
present.
So
can
we
go
ahead
and
get
started.
C
All
right
well
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
february
1st
meeting
of
the
boulder
city
council
and
I
want
to
start
I'm
going
to
go
off
script
a
little
bit
before
we
get
started
on
the
regular
announcements.
C
I
just
wanted
to
say
we
had
a
very
frightening
and
potentially
dangerous
situation
here
in
the
city
of
boulder
today,
where
we
had
a
lockdown
and
people
evacuated
to
potentially
very
dangerous,
suspect
and
just
wanted
to
thank
very
much
the
boulder
police
department
and
all
the
other
first
responders
who
were
on
the
scene
and
were
able
to
resolve
that
issue
quickly
and
peacefully
with
no
injuries.
So
I'm
just
grateful
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
then
I'll
just
say
personal
note.
Both
my
kids
attend
classes
within
a
quarter
mile
of
that
spot.
E
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
mayor.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
I
appreciate
the
kind
words
I
am
just
so
proud
of
our
police
department,
ability
to
analyze
intelligence
very
quickly
and
get
with
our
partners
across
not
locally,
but
the
county
as
as
well
as
our
federal
partners
identify
where
this
suspect
was
shut
down.
Everything
evacuate
needed
people
and
really
take
this
person
into
custody
with
without
any
issues
whatsoever.
E
So
I'm
very
proud
of
the
police
work
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
saying
those
kind
words
mayor.
C
Absolutely
well
thank
you
for,
for
you
are
in
the
department's
phenomenal
work
along
with
our
partners,
so
good.
Well,
with
that,
I
will
move
on
to
our
regular
announcements
unless
anyone
else
wants
to
jump
in.
C
Okay,
so
some
announcements
covet
19
testing
and
vaccinations,
so
testing
for
information
and
provider
locations
for
free,
kova,
19
testing-
you
can
go
to
www.boco.org
covet
testing
and
the
boulder
site
is
at
stazio
drive
here
in
boulder.
It's
open
seven
days
a
week.
8
a.m
to
6
p.m,
it's
very
convenient,
and
that
is
a
free
service.
So
please
go
there.
If
you
need
to
and
for
vaccinations,
if
you
need
vaccine
information
and
provide
provider
locations,
you
can
go
to
www.boco.org.
C
C
And
another
announcement
that
we
have
this
is
about
price
gouging.
So
we
wanted
to
get
this
announcement
out
here
in
the
wake
of
the
marshall
fire,
because
we've
had
some
reports
of
potential
price
gouging
on
rent
or
other
services.
So
I
wanted
to
make
an
announcement
here
to
make
sure
that
everyone
know
that
colorado
law
prohibits
charging
excessive
prices
for
certain
essential
products,
goods
or
services
during
a
disaster
period
such
as
we've
just
experienced,
it
makes
clear
that
such
price
gouging
is
a
deceptive
trade
practice
under
the
colorado
consumer
protection
act.
C
So
if
you
witness
price,
gouging
or
think
you
might
be
a
victim
of
price
gouging,
you
should
file
a
report
with
the
attorney
general's
office.
You
can
do
so
at
800-222-4444.
C
And
appreciate
council
member
benjamin
for
for
requesting
this,
it's
a
good
announcement
to
get
out
there.
F
G
H
H
I
K
C
Okay,
thanks
for
following
up
on
that
alicia
and
all
right.
So
now
we
need
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda.
Let's
see,
we
have
two
changes,
one
of
them
I'll
just
notice.
We
don't
need
a
motion
for
that.
Just
to
notice
that
item
3c
from
the
consent
agenda
was
moved
to
a
public
hearing
item
5c
at
the
request
of
council
member
folkerts
and
then
the
one
other
agenda
change.
We
have
is
adding
item
8a,
which
is
the
boards
and
commissions
subcommittee
update
on
proposed
process,
changes
and
bureau
recruitment.
C
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
any
objections
to
that
motion,
not
seeing
any
we'll
call
that
passing
union.
Obviously,
alright,
the
agenda
has
been
amended,
and
our
next
thing
is
that
we're
going
to
go
into
a
declaration
recognizing
black
history
month,
which
just
started
today
to
be
read
by
council
member
weiner.
L
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
This
is
an
honor
for
me.
Black
history,
month
february
2022,
the
origin
of
black
history
month
began
in
1915
half
a
century
after
the
13th
amendment
abolished
slavery
in
the
united
states,
the
month
of
celebration
and
honor
was
created
by
carter,
g
woodson
and
other
founding
members
of
the
association
for
the
study
of
african
american
life
and
history.
L
The
second
week
in
february
was
chosen
for
its
overlap,
with
the
birthdays
of
abraham,
lincoln
and
frederick
douglass,
with
the
civil
rights
movement
and
a
growing
awareness
of
black
identity.
Black
history
month
or
national
african
american
history
month,
evolved
to
an
annual
celebration
of
achievements
by
black
americans
and
a
time
for
recognizing
the
central
role
of
african
americans
in
u.s
history.
L
We,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
boulder
colorado,
declare
february
2022
as
black
history
month
and
encourage
everyone
in
the
community
to
join
in
honoring
and
celebrating
by
seeking
out
and
taking
in
black
culture
and
history,
supporting
black
owned
local
businesses
and
taking
time
to
reflect
on
what
black
history
means
to
each
of
us.
This
month
and
all
year.
C
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
open
comment
and
I
believe
brenda
you
will
read
our
regulations,
guidelines.
D
D
Yeah,
okay,
great
so
we
do
have
some
rules
that
help
guide
our
public
participation
at
our
council
meetings.
The
city
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversations.
D
D
No
participant
shall
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,
obscenity,
racial
epithets
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct.
This
meeting
are
prohibited
and
participants
are
required
to
sign
up
to
speak
using
the
name
they
are
commonly
known
by,
and
individuals
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online
and
currently
only
audio
testimony
is
permitted.
D
M
M
My
previous
presentations
prove
that
it
is
a
carbon
tax
and
that,
over
time,
boulder
has
collected
over
88.2
million
dollars
in
carbon
taxes,
and
more
than
half
of
that
was
never
used
for
real
carbon
reduction
and
the
four
million
dollars
of
carbon
tax
that
is
collected
each
year
and
not
used
for
carbon
reduction
could
enable
all
boulder
residences
and
businesses
to
be
100
renewables
today
using
wind
source
incentives,
solar
incentives
would
provide
value
that
lasted
over
20
years.
This
presentation
is
about
renewable
energy
certificates,
also
known
as
wrecks.
M
Renewable
jet
energy
certificates
wrecks
are
the
currency
of
renewables.
Every
megawatt
of
renewable
electricity
is
assigned
one
wreck
that
megawatt
can
be
sold
separately
or
bundled
with
the
wreck.
Only
the
owner
of
the
wreck
can
claim
that
they
have
credit
for
that.
Renewable.
The
only
way
excel
or
boulder
can
claim
that
they
have
utilized.
Renewables
is
by
retiring
those
wrecks.
The
only
way
boulder
can
claim.
100
renewables
electricity
is
with
rex
period.
There
is
no
other
alternative.
M
Boulder
can
either
generate
renewable
electricity
right
here
in
town
and
own
and
retire.
The
wrecks,
probably
with
solar
or
somehow
own
wrecks
from
other
sources
wrecks,
are
a
tiny
premium
that
the
renewables
industry
uses
to
make
profit
and,
as
we
all
know,
every
industry
needs
to
make
profit
or
it
dies.
Boulder
in
the
past
has
denigrated
buying
wrecks
directly.
That
is
ludicrous
wrecks,
stimulate
the
renewables
industry,
and
we
should
be
doing
that.
The
occupation
carbon
tax
should
be
doing
that
now.
N
I'm
a
board
member
with
boulder
community
rowing,
a
decades-old
non-profit
that
provides
coaching
equipment
and
a
supportive
community.
I'm
also
speaking
tonight
for
a
broader
coalition
representing
multiple
activities:
rowing
paddling,
open
water
swimming
and
more.
Our
participants
range
across
many
generations,
ages,
16
through
80
approximately,
and
we
regularly
enjoy
the
reservoir
together
slide.
N
N
N
We
are
willing
to
pay
reasonable
fees.
We
implore
the
city
to
expand
public
access
hours
in
the
mornings
and
afternoons
and
evenings
the
demand
for
our
quiet
activities
is
extremely
high.
We
look
forward
to
renewing
and
revitalizing
our
talks
with
the
boulder
park
and
recreation
staff,
and
we
appreciate
council
support
in
these
matters.
Thank
you.
C
O
O
Since
I
only
have
a
couple
minutes
to
speak,
I
have
to
be
rather
blunt
in
my
remarks
and
I
I
don't
mean
to
offend
anyone.
As
mark
stated,
the
fees
for
aquatic
sports
teams
at
boulder
reservoir
are
unaffordable
and
current
proposals
will
force
us
to
close
our
programs
or
attempt
to
move
to
another
location.
O
O
It's
been
frustrating
for
everyone
involved.
Fees
for
us
are
up
82
percent
over
the
past
three
years.
Current
proposals
from
reservoir
management
this
year
will
more
than
double
our
fees.
As
a
point
of
reference,
rowing
with
boulder
community
rowing
already
costs
more
than
twice
that
of
comparable
clubs,
and
there
are
not
many
alternatives
in
this
area.
O
O
I'm
asking
for
your
support
to
have
our
service
type
reevaluated
to
the
proper
category
of
recreational,
we're
absolutely
willing
to
pay
our
fair
share,
but
we
cannot
afford
to
be
a
cash
cow
for
the
reservoir
I'll,
be
happy
to
work
with
anyone
you
designate
to
resolve
this
issue.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you
james
before
I
call
the
next
person
just
want
to
make
a
note
that
we
have
a
couple
people
who've
called
in
on
the
phone
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
identify
all
of
them.
So
if
you've
called
in
and
are
registered
to
speak,
please
press
star
9
on
your
phone
so
that
we
know
you're
here
and
with
that.
Next
we
have
lynn
sequel,
then
amy,
rosenblum
and
then
sami
lawrence
iv.
P
You
thank
you.
Yes,
I'm
sorry.
I
couldn't
get
in
on
either
link
and
I'm
scheduled
to
speak,
and
so
I
was
rushing
around,
but
I
got
to
eat
my
cauliflower,
so
I'm
not
as
cranky
as
I
usually
are,
and
I
was
rushing
to
eat
just
in
time.
But
then
all
this
upset
trying
to
get
the
link.
It's
54
degrees
in
my
house,
but
that's
the
main
part
of
the
house
to
keep
my
pipes
from
freezing.
P
But
I
raised
it
to
56
because
it's
even
colder
and
it's
about
35
in
the
part
of
the
house
where
I
live
and
my
refrigerator
even
gets
ice
in
it.
So
the
idea
is
energy
and
I
I
I
think,
I'm
being
pretty
conservative,
you
know
staying
pretty
cold
piled
under
two
comforters
in
my
bed
and
and
look
how
solar
survives
see
that
house
that's
completely
toasted
and
those
are
a
pack
of
three
and
two
solar
thermal
off
of
cherryvale
road.
P
It's
one
of
the
last
houses,
if
you're
coming
from
the
north
on
cherryvale
that
and
that
part
of
the
fire
just
petered
out,
but
look
at
solar
survives
and
you
see
there's
so
many
ironies
here,
because
it's
a
coal
seam
that
caused
this
fire
along.
You
know
and
we've
got
climate
change.
We
shouldn't
have
been
doing
coal
for
a
long
time,
but
remediating
these
coal
mines
is
extremely
expensive.
P
I
want
to
also
know
where
the
north,
what
started
the
north
fires
there's
north
foothills
highway
and
south
footy
hills
highway.
I
think
the
fire
crews
got
mixed
up
or
something
because
there's
also
north
marshall,
road
and
south-
well,
there's
old
marshall,
road
and
new
marshall
road,
but
they
aren't
called
that
they're
parallel
to
marshall
roads,
it's
very
confusing.
We
need
to
name
our
streets
better
and
I
highly
recommend
you
get
some
olive
tea
at
the
yellow
deli.
P
P
Q
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
work,
especially
as
our
communication.
Our
community
has
navigated
so
many
challenges
over
the
past
year.
A
couple
years.
My
name
is
amy
rosenblum
I've
lived
here
for
about
18
years
and
I'm
raising
two
kids
with
my
husband.
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
the
importance
of
maintaining
collaboration
with
the
colorado
junior
crew,
cjc
and
the
boulder
reservoir
as
a
resident
living
in
south
boulder.
My
kids
are
currently
processing
a
mass
shooting
at
our
local
grocery
store
less
than
a
mile
from
our
house.
Q
They
are
supporting
friends,
teachers
and
their
community
after
a
devastating
fire
that
started
just
over
a
mile
away
in
the
other
direction
and
all
of
this,
while
navigating
an
ever-changing
pandemic
for
the
past
two
years.
I
know
we
are
all
concerned
about
the
mental
health
and
of
our
community
members
and
especially
our
children.
Right
now,
our
daughter
started
rowing
last
fall
and
she
plans
to
row
through
high
school
she's
going
to
attend
fairview
in
the
fall
in
such
a
turbulent
time.
Cjc
has
studied
her
through
a
team.
Q
The
cjc
rowing
program
is
one
of
the
few
on
the
front
range,
and
it
makes
boulder
really
special
friends
from
around
the
country
and
even
within
boulder
county
are
surprised.
We
have
this
wonderful
rowing
community
to
maintain
our
mission
as
a
non-profit
and
keep
cjc
accessible
to
all
regarding,
regardless
of
their
ability
to
pay,
we
cannot
commit
to
a
revenue
sharing
model
with
the
reservoir.
Q
This
will
position
our
program
for
financial
hardship
and
force
us
to
look
for
another
practice,
location
or
even
close,
and
I
request
that
you
strike
the
stipulation
from
our
agreement,
given
all
that
families
are
navigating
right
now,
I
would
hope
to
see
city,
council
and
parks
and
rec
work
more
actively,
work
to
see
actively
to
seek
ways
to
get
families
to
the
reservoir
more
to
build
community
help
us
connect
and
play
in
some
of
our
greatest
assets
in
boulder
thanks.
So
much
for
listening,
thank.
D
A
C
Okay,
we'll
move
on
and
see
if
sammy
can
reconnect
before
the
end
of
open
comment.
So
next
we
have
larry
mcqueen,
I'm
sure
I'm
just
pronouncing
your
name.
Apologies,
noah,
greenberg
and
bella
lynch.
F
Thank
you
and
hello
city
council.
My
name
is
larry
mckeow,
I'm
representing
boulder
aquatic
masters
as
our
city
liaison
for
historical
context.
I
was
formerly
the
band
president
and
city
liaison
from
2006
to
2010.,
I'm
here
to
share
why
this
city
council
should
be
concerned
about
the
health
and
well-being
of
purpose-driven
groups
like
ours.
15
years
ago,
the
blue
ribbon
commission
was
set
up
to
evaluate
how
to
provide
the
same
services
in
2030,
as
was
offered
in
2006..
F
F
F
Robert
putnam,
in
a
2000
book
bowling
alone,
used
the
decline
of
bowling
league
and
the
rise
of
individual
bowling.
As
a
metaphor,
for
the
changing
nature
of
american
society,
participation
in
all
kinds
of
community
groups,
characterized
the
rich
civic
fabric
that
existed
during
the
20th
century,
but
noticed
a
close
correlation
between
sick
engagement
and
prosperity,
communities
didn't
become
civic
because
they
were
rich
either.
They
were
rich
because
they
were
civic.
Same
logic
can
be
applied
here.
Older
purpose-driven,
non-profit
groups
such
as
bam
and
lowers,
and
others
are
more
than
just
niche
athletic
groups.
F
We
come
together
to
offer
support,
provide
encouragement
and,
in
this
cove
time,
a
little
sense
of
normalcy.
We
are
the
persistent
fabric
that
sets
boulder
apart
from
other
towns.
Our
nonprofit
charters
compel
us
to
create
an
inclusive
and
supportive
environment
and
pick
up
where
the
city's
physical
facilities
leave
off.
We
are
working
with
city
staff
to
find
ways
to
continue,
but
it
is
getting
tougher
very.
C
S
Hello,
my
name
is
noah
greenberg
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
the
following
comments:
requesting
council
assistance
and
ongoing
negotiations
between
the
city
of
boulder
parks
and
recreation
department
and
boulder
community
rowing.
My
family
is
associated
with
the
colorado
junior
crew
program
and
we've
grown
to
value
rowing
as
a
positive
outlet
for
bolder
teenagers.
S
I'm
speaking
tonight
to
ask
your
help
because
bcr
is
in
a
painful
and
dangerous
negotiation
process
with
park
staff,
whereas
the
previous
agreements
between
parks
and
the
bcr
included
an
85
per
hour
fee
structure
used
for
of
the
reservoir
park's
current
proposal
includes
a
300
rate
increase
to
255
dollars
per
hour.
Additionally,
parks
is
demanding
an
80
20
revenue
sharing
model
that
would
apply
to
bcr
classes,
camps
and
programs.
S
This
revenue
sharing
was
originally
proposed
by
parks
in
2019,
but
was
eventually
abandoned
because
city
language
identified
it
as
a
profit
share
and
as
a
non-profit
organization,
bcr
clubs
have
no
profits
to
share
parks
is
now
trying
to
force
this
issue
again
after
rewording.
The
model
to
be
a
revenue
share.
S
Park's
designation
of
pcr
clubs
as
exclusive
users
has
profound
consequences
on
the
cost
structure
and
appears
inconsistent
with
the
intent
of
the
rule
set
forth
by
the
city.
In
response
to
a
letter,
my
family
sent
to
parks
advisory
board.
We
received
an
email
from
park
staff
indicating
that
parks
is
working
to
find
a
solution
that
allows
bcr
clubs
to
continue
rowing
at
the
reservoir.
S
My
request
to
city
council
is
that
you
can
help
parks,
negotiating
good
faith
effort
to
find
a
solution
that
allows
bcr
to
offset
city
costs,
but
where
bcr
is
not
expected
to
be
an
additional
revenue
generating
machine
for
parks,
bcr
cannot
bear
these
additional
costs
and
we'll
be
forced
to
either
close
move
outside
city
limits
or
become
cost
prohibitive
to
many
of
the
bankers
that
valued
this
organization.
Thank
you
really
your
time.
Oh.
C
T
T
I
found
that
in
my
time
on
the
team,
this
team
in
the
sport
has
given
so
much
to
kids
that
haven't
found
their
place.
Yet,
when
I
think
about
why
rowing
is
so
important,
I
think
about
the
strength
and
confidence
it
gives
younger
kids
and
I
think
about
the
friendships
that
are
built
because
of
it.
The
thing
that's
so
cool
about
our
program
is
that
kids
can
do
whatever
they
want.
With
the
sport.
T
We've
had
some
kids
that
only
come
once
a
week
because
of
their
own
commitments,
but
remain
with
the
team
because
being
at
practice
being
out
on
the
water
with
the
teammates
gives
them
a
positive
outlet
in
their
life.
We've
also
had
kids
that
have
dedicated
most
of
their
time
to
rowing
myself
included.
Rowing
for
many
of
us
is
something
that
we
worked
hard
at
for
all
of
high
school
and
will
most
likely
take
to
a
competitive
level
in
college.
T
I
know
that
without
this
team
I
couldn't
have
accomplished
nearly
as
much
as
I
have
and
wouldn't
be
the
same
person
that
I
am
today
when
I
graduate
this
spring
I'll
have
to
say
goodbye
to
my
teammates
and
my
friends.
Without
rowing,
I
wouldn't
have
met
these
amazing
people
that
have
played
such
a
vital
role
in
my
life.
T
T
C
Well,
giselle,
I
apologize
we're
just
not
able
to
hear
you,
but
I'd
invite
you
to
to
go
to
the
boulder
colorado.gov
website
and
submit
your
testimony
to
us
in
writing.
C
D
I
am
not
seeing
that
number
has
called
back
in,
nor
am
I
seeing
that
sami
has
joined
by
computer.
So
I
think
we
don't
have
sami
tonight.
Aaron,
okay,.
C
Thanks
for
letting
us
know
all
right
well
with
that,
I
think
we
will
end
open
comment
and
then
do
we
have
any
staff
responses
to
any
of
the
testimony.
V
Folks,
I'm
allie
rhodes,
I'm
the
director
of
parks
and
recreation.
Thank
members
of
council,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
members
of
the
community
that
came
to
speak
to
council
on
a
tuesday
evening.
V
V
We,
too
are
very
interested
in
continuing
the
conversations
that
we've
been
having
since
september
to
come
to
mutually
beneficial
agreements,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
hears
that
I
I
mean
personally,
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
both
the
open
water
swims
at
the
reservoir
and
the
roaring
groups.
If
you
have
not
seen
it,
it's
gorgeous,
it's
a
great
place
to
see
the
sunrise
and
it's
very
zen
inducing
professionally.
We
love
what
these
groups
do
too.
They
spoke
to
how
they
promote
physical
and
mental
well-being,
which
we
know
is
more
important
than
ever.
V
This
council
will
learn
more
in
the
second
quarter.
When
we
come
talk
to
you
about
our
master
plan,
we
have
been
working
for
years
to
clearly
and
transparently
identify
the
cost
of
service
delivery
and
then
set
fees
appropriately
and
fairly,
depending
upon
the
degree
of
community
benefit.
The
service
provides.
This
same
process
was
recommended
in
the
blue
ribbon
commission
process
that
mr
mckia
recommended
in
2008
that
was
instated
by
the
city
manager.
At
that
time.
V
We
shared
current
analysis
of
our
costs
based
on
2021
expenditures
with
the
user
groups
in
january,
and
understand
that
that
was
created,
alarm
they're
a
lot
higher
than
the
fees
that
they've
been
paying.
This
is
a
reflection
of
similar
factors,
including
the
rapidly
escalating
costs
of
labor
and
materials,
and
also
that
the
five
to
six
a.m
hour,
that
these
groups
prefer
is
no
longer
part
of
general
reservoir
operating
hours.
V
This
is
a
reflection
of
reductions
related
to
the
pandemic
and
our
analysis
that
identified
that
the
general
public
does
not
visit
the
reservoir
from
five
to
six
a.m.
It's
primarily
these
user
groups
and
that's
in
2021.
These
groups
paid
for
those
hours
that
were
outside
of
the
general
operating
hours
and
that
really
did
contribute
to
a
significant
increase
in
their
expenses,
and
we
understand,
despite
all
that
methodology,
that
sounds
like
we're
supporting
300
an
hour.
V
The
part
I
think
that
is
key
for
folks
to
hear
is
that
our
understanding
was
that
these
conversations
were
ongoing.
We
have
no
intention
for
any
of
these
user
groups
to
be
a
cash
cow
to
support
other
operations,
and
our
goal
is
that
fees
are
fairly
applied,
consistent
with
what
others
pay
and
that
these
groups
can
continue
to
operate
and
keep
people
moving
and
physically.
V
I
spent
several
time
several
hours,
both
this
week
and
last
with
members
of
our
team
to
help
write
responses
to
the
emails
you're
receiving
to
help
understand
where
we're
at
we
have
reached
out
to
the
user
groups
to
make
sure
we
know
who
our
points
of
contact
are
with
all
these
folks
interested
hope
to
sit
down
in
the
middle
of
february
and
keep
cheap,
keep
charging
keep
trucking
forward.
C
V
Yeah,
I
think
we
could
have
done
a
better
job
in
communicating
in
january,
not
only
one
the
analysis
of
the
cost,
but
that
a
document
that
we
shared-
and
I
understand
there-
was
a
clause
in
there
about
a
potential
for
profit
sharing
has
created
alarm.
Our
intention
was
that
that
was
a
draft.
Let's
have
this
be
a
starting
place
to
start
a
conversation,
but
we
obviously
should
have
been
more
clear
about
that.
C
W
Thanks,
aaron
and
ali
thanks
for
your
update
on
that,
and
also
I
do
appreciate,
and
everyone
that
came
forward
to
talk
about
rowing
and
the
use
at
boulder
res.
I
have
a
specific
question,
maybe
about
the
junior
rowing
program
and
whether
or
not
their
program
would
be
applicable
to
apply
for
the
programs.
We
have
around
the
sugary
beverage
tax
which
focus
on
on
health
and
stuff.
So
I'm
wondering
if
that
program
might
find
ways
to
apply.
W
Grant
and
then
have
some
resources
that
might
be
able
to
go
to
help
subsidize
some
of
the
fees
that
they
might
be
incurring
on
this
and
just
support
the
program
and
work
overall,
because
that
seems
like
a
great
program
for
a
lot
of
kids
and
certainly
that
testimony
we
got
seems
like
that.
That
is
right
up
our
alley.
So
just
looking
for
ways
maybe
to
encourage
finding
some
other
resources
to
help
with
those
programs
establish
themselves
but
also
strengthen
some
of
their
bottom
line.
V
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
great
suggestion,
matt.
I
know
that
some
of
the
groups
have
mentioned
they're
interested
in
sponsorships
and
other
partnerships.
Obviously,
in
the
face
of
advancing
expenses,
we
have
to
pay
those
and
there's
there's
user
fees,
but
then
there
are
subsidies
either
from
grants,
philanthropy
or
or
taxes.
Obviously,.
C
That's
lauren
and
then
mark.
Y
Thanks
ali,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
additional
clarifying
questions.
You
know
I
understand
kind
of
the
fear
of
when
your
activity
relies
on
access
to
space,
that
you
worry,
you
might
lose
so
one
just
quick
one
to
start
off
with
so
the
they
me
there's
a
couple:
people
who
mentioned
the
categorization
being
linked
to
more
expenses,
and
so-
and
you
said
that
that's
just
because
they
use
exclusive
hours
or
is
it.
V
There's
two
things
here:
one
what
I
mentioned
the
five
to
six
a.m:
the
user
groups
are
the
in
our
analysis.
The
general
public
was
not
using
those,
so
our
operating
hours
were
prior
to
the
pandemic.
We
did
open
at
00
a.m.
Now.
Are
we
open
at
6
00
a.m?
That's
that's
reflection
again
of
two
things.
One
is
that
all
activities
have
not
returned
to
the
reservoir
prior
to
the
pandemic.
Special
events
was
a
key
source
of
revenue.
V
Not
all
of
them
have
returned,
so
our
operating
hours
are
still
very
much
balanced
with
what
we
expect
to
bring
in
in
revenue.
So
we
we
anticipate
opening
at
6am,
which
means
the
user
group
should
pay
for
the
direct
cost
from
5
to
6am.
The
other
thing
that
folks
have
mentioned
was
the
exclusive
categorization.
V
So,
following
up
on
what
mr
mcchia
recommended
and
something
we've
developed
with
the
prab
since
the
master
plan,
we
have
a
a
tool
that
tries
to
objectively
categorize
programs
that
we
provide
based
upon
degree
of
community
benefit,
so
there's
ways
that
programs
can
demonstrate
that,
whether
they
serve
targeted
populations
like
underrepresented
communities,
people
with
disabilities
and
so
that's
a
tool
we
use
to
help
set
fees
for
our
internal
programs
and
some
of
our
communications.
We've
shared
that
were
we
to
score
this
program.
It
would
score
as
exclusive.
V
However,
it's
not
necessarily
to
be
applied
with
user
groups.
It
was.
It
was
again,
I
think,
storytelling
that
maybe
got
lost
in
email
and
should
be
part
of
the
conversation
as
we
continue
with
these
groups,
because,
as
matt
mentioned
for
cjc
for
sure
and
supporting
the
youth,
there
might
be
a
way
to
find
some
sub
subsidy
to
offset
some
of
those
costs.
Y
Thank
you
and
then
just
to
clarify
what
steps
are
going
to
happen
like
will
this
come
back
before
us
before
fees
are
decided
or
what's
kind
of,
how
are
the?
How
does
that
finalization
process?
Looking
yep.
V
That's
a
really
good
question,
so
user
fees
are
not
codified,
they
are
not
set
by
city
council.
They
are
guided
by
policy
that
you
that
council
sets
so
right
now
we
use
policy
set
in
the
2014
master
plan.
So
this
item
won't
necessarily
come
back
to
you.
Z
V
If,
if
council
is
interested
in
a
report,
I
can
do
that
whenever
you
like,
we've
outlined
the
services
that
are
provided
not
only
directly
at
that
time,
but
any
any
visitor
to
the
reservoir
is
using
that
facility
and
those
who
don't
pay
for
the
access
and
the
use
would
would
be
free
riders
on
that
right.
So
it's
a
it's.
The
use
of
the
reservoir
and
the
services
that
support
the
five
to
six
am
access.
C
Okay,
I
think
that's
it
for
council
hands
so
we'll
move
on
just
before
we
do.
I
I'll
just
mention
that
we
got
noticed
that
bvsd
has
canceled
school
for
tomorrow.
So
if
you
are
an
area
child
you
get
a
snow
day,
I
hope
you
enjoy
it
and
everybody
else
be
careful
out
there
with
all
the
snow.
That's
coming
down.
AA
C
To
the
text,
email
and
phone
call
that
I
got
from
from
the
school
district,
okay,
so
alicia,
I
think
we're
moving
on
to
our
consent
agenda.
J
I
move
items
three:
a
and
three
b
from
the
consent
agenda.
Z
C
Okay,
second,
for
mark
this
is
a
believe
by
show
of
hands
so
which
I
think
we
handle
these
days
by
saying:
does
anybody
object?
B
All
right,
sir.
Thank
you
very
much.
First
on
our
public
hearing
list
is
item
5a.
The
second
reading
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
8496
designating
the
property
at
1,
300
canyon,
boulevard
in
the
city
of
boulder
colorado,
also
known
as
the
midland
savings
and
loan
atrium
building
a
landmark
under
chapter
9-11,
historic
preservation,
brc
1981
and
setting
forth
those
related
details.
AB
Certainly,
I'm
james
hewitt
historic
preservation,
planner
with
the
historic
preservation
program,
planning
and
development
services.
AB
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
mayor.
I
can
go
through
the
procedure
for
quasi-judicial
hearings
or,
if
you'd
like
to
do
it.
That's
fine
too.
C
Just
well
sure
real
quick,
I
guess
we
will
start
by
revealing
any
ex
parte
contacts.
Then
we'll
have
a
staff
presentation
with
questions,
an
owner
presentation
with
questions
public
hearing
for
public
comment,
which
we
can
also
ask
questions
about
and
an
owner
response,
and
then
public
hearing
clothes,
city,
council,
discusses
and
eventually
emotion
of
some
kind
and
I'll
just
get
us
started
with.
Does
anyone
have
any
ex
parte
communications
to
reveal
about
this
item?.
J
Actually
a
new
hand,
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
ex
part
of
communication,
but
james
are
already
aware
of
this.
We
had
some
community
members
who
wrote
into
counsel-
and
I
I
didn't
respond
to
any
of
them,
but
then
we
had
a
follow-up
communication
from
that
group
of
community
members
who
wanted
to
make
sure
we
got
their
emails,
and
so
I
wrote
back
and
said:
yes,
we
got
their
their
emails
and-
and
I
copy
james
on
that-
I
don't
know
if
that's
next
sex
party,
but
I
wanted
to
disclose
that.
Y
Yeah,
so
my
office
does
a
lot
of
work
in
modern
architecture,
and
you
know
this
has
been
something
that
I've
been
aware
of.
Coming
up
before
I
even
considered
running
for
council.
I've
had
a
number
of
community
of
conversations
about
this
build
thing
and
I
think,
prior
to
the
to
it
being
on
our
agenda,
one
of
had
a
discussion
with
one
of
the
groups
bringing
this
forward,
but.
Y
Yeah,
sorry,
I
can
be
what's
sorry,
what's
the
word
aaron
impartial,
I
think
I
believe
I
can
be
fair
and
impartial.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
AC
C
Nicole
and
I'll
just
mention
that,
similarly
to
bob
I
had
a
couple
people
reach
out
to
see
if
we
had
received
their
emails,
we
in
fact
had
not
so
I
informed
them
of
that
and
I
believe
they
resent
them
based
on
that
information,
but
that
does
not
affect
my
ability
to
be
fair
or
impartial
either.
I
do
not
think
so
with
all
that,
then
we
can
move
to
the
staff
presentation.
AB
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'll,
try
and
be
brief.
Len
siegel
will
be
speaking
after
me
as
the
applicant
representing
historic,
boulder,
so
I'll,
try
and
whiz
through
this
as
quickly
as
I
can,
while
giving
you
and
the
public
what
what
you
need
to
understand
this
application,
which
has
been
in
the
mill
for
a
while
so
as
with
every
landmark
designation.
The
city
council's
role
here
is
to
determine
whether
the
proposed
designation
conforms
with
section
9
11,
1
and
9
11
2
of
the
boulder
revised
code,
which
are
really
the.
AB
AB
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
has
been
in
the
mill
for
a
while
and
in
fact
it
dates
back
nearly
seven
years
now
to
2015,
when
historic
boulder
submitted
an
application
to
landmark
the
atrium
building,
also
known
as
the
midland
first
savings
bank
or
savings
and
loan.
I
should
say
at
the
time
there
was
a
lot
of
planning
going
on
in
the
city
in
regard
to
the
east
civic
area,
and
there
were.
There
was
discussion
about
the
farmers
market,
expanding
and
possibly
using
the
building
as
a
market
hall.
AB
So
in
december
of
of
last
year,
2021,
the
landmarks
board
did
feel
that
it
was
important
that
this
application
moved
forward
and
they
reviewed
it
that
the
application
that
evening
and
they
did
find
unanimously-
that
the
property
should
be
landmarked.
AB
So
here
we
are
tonight
after
the
first
reading
on
january
18th
and
this
public
hearing
so
just
to
acquaint
everyone.
I
think
most
people
are
aware
of
this
building
and
and
its
location
at
the
the
east
end
of
what
we
refer
to
as
the
east
civic
area,
and
you
can
see
from
the
map
here.
It
is
across
from
the
central
park
and
on
the
northwest
corner
of
13th
street
and
canyon
boulevard.
AB
AB
But
it
was
designed
specifically
to
be
a
savings
and
loan
building
and
was
a
very
intentional
design
by
the
art,
architect,
hobart
wagner
and
just
a
few
more
photographs
showing
the
building,
which
is
a
roof
dominated
building
in
what
we
refer
to
as
a
regional
variant
of
modernist
design,
that
being
a
very
horizontal
building
with
ribbon
windows
and
the
the
regional
rustic
element
to
that
is
the
the
use
of
the
local
stone
which
is
actually
on
this
building.
Really
quite
finely
done
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
AB
Some
black
and
white
photographs
showing
similar
aspects
of
the
building,
but
just
the
strong
horizontal
lines,
really
indicative
of
architecture
that
was
being
designed
by
a
group
of
architects
of
which
hobart
wagner
the
architect
for
this
building
was
a
part.
It
consisted
of
james
hunter,
roger
easton,
gail,
abels
and,
of
course,
charles
hartling.
AB
There
were
others
as
well,
but
this
was
a
school
of
architecture
or
is
now
being
recognized
as
a
school
of
architecture.
That
was
very
particular
to
the
boulder
locality
and
kind
of
a
remarkable
group
of
architects,
of
which
hobart
wagner
was
perhaps
the
most
prolific
working
in
a
very
specific
mode
of
modernism.
AB
So
here
on
the
screen,
you
have
a
architect's
rendering
from
1968
that
was
done
by
jack
beavers,
who
worked
with
hobart
wagner
and
hobart
wagner
himself
came
to
boulder
after
world
war
ii
and
worked
in
james
hunter's
office.
AB
As
I
mentioned,
a
a
very
strong
and
notable
example
of
the
regional,
modern
movement
in
boulder
and,
of
course,
the
savings
and
loan
system
that
was
set
up
after
world
war
ii
was
was
operating
through.
This
bank
was
one
of
the
many
thousands
actually
that
were
established.
AB
This
was
actually
built
a
year
after
there
were
refer
reforms
in
congress
to
make
housing
more
equitable,
and
there
have
certainly
been
studies
done
and
very
relevant
criticism
of
the
fact
that
the
savings
and
loans
movement
was
not
equitable
for
people
of
different
racial
backgrounds.
AB
But
nonetheless,
this
building
is
representing
that
to
a
certain
extent
and
then
in
2000.
A
study
was
done
looking
at
modernist
architecture
in
in
boulder,
and
there
were
about
70
buildings
that
were
surveyed.
This
was
one
that
was
identified
as
being
eligible
for
both
the
state
and
national
register
and
len
siegel.
Who
is
going
to
be
speaking
after
me?
We'll
talk
more
about
the
history
and
the
architecture
as
well,
so
again,
rustic
modernist
architecture,
hobart,
wagner,
recognized
master
of
architecture
in
boulder
and
in
terms
of
artistic
merit
there.
AB
There
is
a
high
standard
of
construction
and
craft,
and
you
can
see
the
the
attention
to
detail
in
the
the
masonry
construction
of
this
building
and
it
is
uncommon
because
most
of
the
mid-century
banks
and
buildings
actually
in
boulder
or
many
of
them
have
been
lost
so
and
finally,
in
terms
of
indigenous
qualities,
it
was
or
is
constructed
of
local
locally
quarried
stone
and
then
a
photograph
of
hobart
wagner
on
the
right
there
out
in
the
field.
Looking
at
drawings.
AB
AB
So
there
is
a
collection
of
historic
buildings
in
the
area
so
with
that
staff
is
bringing
this
forward
with
the
landmark
board's
recommendation
that
this
property
be
landmarked,
and
you
can
see
the
boundary
here
which
follows
the
lot
of
the
atrium
itself,
including
the
parking
area.
There
were
a
couple
of
questions
about
that
during
the
first
reading.
AB
The
proposed
name
of
the
building
would
be
the
landmark
name
would
be
the
midland
savings
and
loan
slash,
atrium
building,
and
so
with
that,
I
will
leave
you
with
a
motion
and
here
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
any
any
questions
about
any
of
the
information
I've
presented
this
evening.
Thank
you.
C
Thanks
james
questions
for
james
lauren,
is
that
a
new
hand.
C
Well,
it
sounds
like
bob
put
his
hand
up
first
and
we'll
come
back
to.
You
sounds
great.
Y
Yay
so.
Y
Some
of
the
things
you
know
that
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
here,
regarding
you
know,
will
this
promote
health,
safety
and
welfare
and
it's
appropriateness
for
the
site.
I
have
some
con
conflicting
feelings
about.
I
think
that
you
know,
while
this
building
the
roof
form,
and
all
of
that
you
know
clearly
speak
to
its
architectural
heritage,
it
is
in
a
very
key
location
in
the
civic
area
that.
Y
I
think
is
critical
to
kind
of
maintaining
the
liveliness.
We
want
to
see
there,
and
so
my
question
is
around
sort
of
modification
to
this
building.
If
we
enact
it,
what
kinds
of
modifications
would
be
allowed,
particularly
so
there's
been
discussion
about
operable
windows
for
a
market
space,
but
I
also
have
concerns
regarding
you
know:
creating
a
more
friendly
entrance
to
this
building.
If
it's
going
to
be
maintained
as
a
civic
building,
we
really
want
to
have
it
be
welcoming
which
I
don't
think
it
is
all
that
welcoming
right
now
so
yeah.
AB
Well,
you
know
I'm
glad
that
you've
asked
that
question,
because
over
the
course
of
the
last
seven
and
seven
or
eight
years
that
we've
been
talking
about
this,
there
has
been
a
lot
of
consideration
given
to
the
use
for
this
building
in
the
context
of
the
civic
area
and
and
that
it
should
be
a
lively,
it
should
be
an
engaging
building
and
it
should
be
one
that
can
be
ultimately
used
by
the
public.
AB
So
the
feasibility
study
at
the
time
was
looking
at
this
building
as
potentially
being
reused
as
a
market
hall
for
the
farmers
market,
and
it
was
at
the
time
seen
as
being
a
viable,
a
viable
building.
AB
To
do
that,
there
are
flood
issues,
one
corner
of
the
building
is
in
the
flood
area,
so
it
would
need
to
be
modified
to
you
know
to
protect
it
from
that
that
hazard,
but
likewise,
I
think,
from
from
2015
on
there's
been
a
lot
of
consideration
given
to
how
those
openings
in
the
building
might
be
modified
to
make
the
building
more
open
to
interior
exterior
sort
of
use.
AB
So,
yes,
I
think,
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
that
building
to
be
modified
and
and
unlike
earlier
historic
buildings
where
you've
got
punched
openings.
What
you've
got
here
are
glass
walls
which
are
easier
to
do
that.
I
think,
without
really
altering
the
essential
historic
character
of
a
building
or
architectural
character
of
a
building.
So
I
think
the
answer
is
yes
there
there,
I
think,
there's
quite
a
lot
that
could
happen
to
that
building
to
to
make
it
more
welcoming
and
something.
Y
Is
there
any
changes
that
we
might
make
to
the
ordinance
to
make
it
clear
that
that's
allowed
going
forward,
or
you
know,
because
one
something
that
happens
is
sort
of
the
interpretation
of
what's
intended
over
time,
you
know,
can
become
fuzzy.
AB
Yes,
and
and
in
a
you
know,
in
ordinances,
we
describe
some
of
the
character,
defining
features
of
the
building
and
you
know
provided
that
those
character
defining
features
wouldn't
be
you
know,
damaged
irreparably
or
in
a
way
that
would
really
change
change
the
essential
character
of
the
building.
For
instance.
I
think
this
would
be
a
hard
building
to
add
stories
to
the
top
of,
because
it
is
such
a
one-story
roof-dominated
building.
AB
But
again,
I
think
there
certainly
is
and
would
be
some
very
useful
ways
of
changing
the
openings
and
you
know
creating
again
more
a
building.
That's
that's!
That's
more
of
a
public
asset,
so.
Y
And
then
you
mentioned,
I
didn't
wasn't
aware
of
the
floodplain
issue.
I
mean
I
guess
I
I
get
it
it's
right
there,
but
do
you
know
what
the
flood
protection
elevation
is
compared
to
the
existing
floor?
Elevation
of
the
main
level.
AB
You
know
I
don't
know
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but,
as
I
recall
it's
the
northeast
corner
of
the
building
that
is
in
the
500
year.
I
think
it's
the
500
year
flood
area,
so
it's
a
portion
of
the
building,
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure
that's
the
case,
but
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
the
floor
elevation
change
would
be.
AB
I
know
that
in
the
feasibility
study
it
was
looked
at
and
facilities
looked
at
what
might
be
done
to
create
flood
proofing
on
the
walls
or
wall
areas
and
and
the
glass
as
well,
and
there
is
flood
proofing
that
can
be
done
with
very
high-strength
glass,
for
instance.
So
there
are
ways
to
do
it,
but
you
know
would
be
it
would
take
some
resources
and
it
would
take
some
creativity
too.
As
I
understand
it,.
J
My
questions
are
very
similar
to
lauren's.
James
is,
is.
AD
AB
Yeah,
well,
it's
a
really
good
question
and
I
I
think
I
maybe
didn't
answer
the
last
question
very
well,
but
I
think
there
are
ways
to
be
more
specific
in
the
ordinance
itself
to
say
what
could
and
couldn't
happen
and
be
more
specific
about
what
what
are
those
character,
defining
features
and
what
are
less
important,
so
that
would
allow
for,
for
instance,
new
doors
and
new
openings
on
that
building
to
be
reviewed
without
going.
You
know
through
a
great
deal
of
process,
so
that
would
be
defined
in
the
ordinance.
J
AC
Thanks
james
for
the
presentation
and
letting
us
know
about
this,
I
just
had
some
questions
that
were
of
a
similar
vein
to
it.
Lauren
was
asking
but
related
to
the
parking
lot,
so
this
was
new
new
news
for
me
that
parking
lots
can
be
linked.
Part
of
the
landmark
area.
I
hadn't
realized
that,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
know
for
landmarking
this
whole
property,
including
the
parking
lot.
Can
we
re-develop
the
parking
lot?
You
know
at
those
the
original
architect
drawings
that
was
beautiful
right.
AC
It
was
all
you
know,
kind
of
these
trees.
Things
like
that
right.
Now,
it's
pretty
ugly
that
area.
So
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
what
what
is
involved.
You
know
if
we
landmark,
including
the
parking
lot
what's
involved
in
you
know,
maybe
making
it
park
or
outdoor
space
or
bike
storage
or
something
like
that
sure.
AB
Yeah,
a
really
good
question
and
to
be
clear,
the
landmark
boundary
does
include
that
parking
area
on
the
north,
which
is
really
one
row
of
parking,
I
would
say
20
or
30
feet
to
the
sidewalk,
so
that
area.
AB
Yes,
that
is
in
the
you
know,
recommended
landmark
boundary
and,
of
course
the
city
council
could
modify
that,
but
in
terms
of
landscaping
and
that
sort
of
thing
yes,
I
think
that's
something
that
would
certainly
be
to
the
benefit
of
the
building
and
the
setting
and
looking
at
that
rendering
it
was
actually
intended
to
be
more
that
way
than
it
actually
turned
out
being
so
that
would
be
a
guide,
perhaps
to
you
know,
creating
something,
that's
softer
and
and
more
accessible
to
the
public.
AB
Now
the
parking
lot
to
the
east
is
not
in
included
in
that
landmark
boundary.
And,
of
course
you
know,
development
could
occur
without
any
kind
of
historic
review
in
that
area
and
likewise
to
the
south
to
between
the
the
tea
house
and
the
atrium.
C
Nicole,
do
you
mind
if
I
follow
up
on
that
first,
so
thanks
for
that
james,
the
when
you
said
that
the
parking
lot
to
the
east
is
not
included,
I
mean
there
is
a
section
of
the
law
east
of
the
building.
That's
in
the
proposed
landmark
designation.
I
mean
it's
not
the
whole
parking
lot,
but
it
is
a
strip
of
I
don't
know
15
feet
or
something
and
15
feet.
AB
Yeah,
it's
and
I
don't
know
exactly
I'd-
have
to
go
and
scale
it,
but
I
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
off
the
eve
of
that
building.
Actually,
because
the
you
know
it's,
it's
got
very
wide,
overhanging
eaves
and
what
you
see
in
the
site
plan
is
actually
just
the
the
walls
of
the
building.
So
I
don't
think
it
goes
too
much
beyond
those
eaves,
but
in
terms
of
building
a
new
building,
I
I
think
there
would
be
building
separation
anyway,
so
but
that
of
course,
could
be
modified.
AB
If
you
know
the
city
council,
if
you
all
feel
that
that's
appropriate.
AB
C
Just
another
follow-up
that
you
mentioned
that
that
landscaping
to
the
north
would
be
you
know
you
feel
like
it
would
be
compatible
with
the
original
intention
of
the
building,
but
would
it
require
a
landscape
alteration
certificate
in
order
to
make
that
happen,
or
could
that
just
be
done?
You
know
by
writer,
with
a
simple
administrative
process.
AB
Right
well,
technically,
yes,
it
would
require
a
landmark
alteration
certificate,
any
changes
occurring
within
the
the
boundary,
but
again
I
I
think
it
would
be
pretty
straightforward,
but
it
also
that
that
is
something
that
perhaps
could
be
specified
in
the
in
the
ordinance
itself.
To
streamline
that.
AC
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
james.
I
just
really
appreciate
your
noting
some
of
the
different
perspectives
that
some
of
our
buildings
come
with.
AC
As
regards
to
history,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
you
know
whether
you
know
if
this,
if
this
savings
alone,
you
know
participated
in
kind
of
some
of
the
potential
potentially
participated
in
some
of
the
disproportionate
wealth
and
income
growth
among
white
community
members
versus
communities
of
color,
I
mean:
do
you
know
if
they
they
actively
engaged
in
discrimination
or
you
know,
do
we
have
any
any
way
of
knowing
that
other
than
just
sort
of
assuming
given
the
business
and
the
time
they
may
have.
AB
Yeah,
you
know,
I
don't,
I
really
don't
know,
and
they
were
in
existence
prior
to
the
construction
of
this
bank.
They
had
other
branches
as
well,
so
I
can't
say
for
sure
honestly,
one
way
or
the
other,
but
this
particular
building
was
constructed
a
year
after
the
reforms
that
you
know
the
congress
made
to
try
and
try
and
straighten
out
what
was
being
really
identified,
as
as
some
very
problematic
lending
practices
that
were
that
were
occurring
in
including
the
whole
notion
of
redlining,
which
of
course
was.
It
was
a
terrible
thing.
C
Sorry
about
that
lauren
did
you
have
something
else.
Y
AB
No,
they
don't
that's
you.
You
picked
up
on
that
you're
attuned
to
those
kind
of
details.
Yeah.
I
noticed
that
as
well.
There
were
some
landscaping
walls
and
some
small
discrepancies
between
what
was
ultimately
built
and,
what's
shown
on
that
rendering
but
yeah.
I
think
that
that
you
know
could
or
could
not
be
used
as
a
guide
for
future
changes.
Y
Do
you
see
any
down
or
what
are
the
downsides?
You
would
say
that
you
might
see
in
terms
of
reducing
the
boundary
from
being
at
the
property
line.
To
being
say
at
the
edge
of
the
eve.
AB
AB
Create
some
somewhat
of
a
buffer
around
a
building
or
a
site,
you
know
so
it
so
you
don't
have
something
built
right
next
to
it
or
around
it,
and
clearly
there
isn't
the
opportunity
to
build
a
new
building
along
13th
street
or
a
long
canyon,
because
it's
just
there's
space.
Obviously,
so
I
think
from
that
standpoint,
if
if,
if
that
were
to
be
modified
somewhat,
that
would
be.
AB
AF
All
right,
hello,
city,
council,
I'm
leonard
siegel
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
historic,
boulder
and
I've
got
a
presentation
that
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
through
quickly,
but
I
think
it
should
be
informative
for
you
and
help
you
assess
the
landmarking.
So
I'll
start
with
this
slide.
Winston
churchill
once
pointed
out
how
important
buildings
are
in
the
lives
of
people
saying
we
shape
our
buildings
thereafter,
they
shape
us.
Historic
preservation
has
contributed
to
boulder
by
safeguarding
buildings
that
demonstrate
the
spirit
of
our
community
from
different
eras.
AF
Next
slide,
the
midland
savings
atrium
building
is
one
such
building.
You've
seen
this
image
before
I'm
speaking
tonight
to
advocate
for
its
preservation
by
landmarking
it.
The
city
council,
can
maintain
this
legacy
building
and
still
have
room
to
develop
the
adjacent
site
for
more
housing
that
you
so
highly
prioritize
next
slide.
AF
Thank
you.
The
value
of
historic
preservation
in
communities
across
the
united
states
is
that
it
reinforces
the
history
of
a
community,
teaches
relevant
lessons
to
new
generations
and
helps
our
economy
by
stimulating
tourism.
The
spirit
of
boulder
is
embedded
in
the
remarkable
buildings
we
see
around
town
from
the
early
days
right
up
through
current
times
next
slide.
AF
I,
like
the
long
delay
between
the
slides,
add
some
more
drama.
Okay,
it's
been
modern
architecture
exemplified
by
the
midland
savings
atrium
building
that
has
created
the
innovative
backbone
of
the
boulder
of
today.
Modernism
is
not
a
style.
AF
You
may
wonder
the
courthouse
is
made
of
stone
that
doesn't
seem
very
low
cost,
but
that
stone
was
recycled
from
mining
structures
up
the
canyon.
Next
residential
design
has
been
among
the
most
experimental
types
of
modern
architecture
here,
from
single
family
homes
to
apartment
buildings.
Like
golden
west
next
slide,
many
of
our
cultural
buildings
are
modern,
including
the
boulder
theater,
the
huntington
band
show
and
the
museum
of
boulder
next
slide.
AF
AF
AF
So
with
that
overview
of
the
impact
of
modernism
in
the
life
of
boulder,
I
turn
your
attention
back
to
the
midland
savings
atrium
building.
There
are
two
key
aspects
that
make
this
property
worth
landmarking
that
james
has
covered,
but
I
want
to
elaborate
on
the
architecture,
character
and
its
historic
contributions.
AF
AF
He
was
in
the
third
generation
of
boulder
architects
who
followed
the
modern
design
approach
and
he
had
the
most
successful
architecture.
Company
of
all
next
slide.
Glenn
huntington
was
the
founding
father
of
modern
architecture
in
boulder.
Among
his
excellent
building,
designs
are
the
county
courthouse
and
the
central
park
bandshaw
next
slide.
AF
James
hunter
became
huntington's
partner
and
took
over
the
company
when
huntington
moved
to
denver
among
hunter's
great
modern
buildings
are
the
municipal
building
and
the
boulder
library
hobart
wagner,
as
you
saw
in
that
photo
worked
for
james
hunter
that
photo
that
james
had
shown
earlier,
and
he
had
worked
for
james
hunter
for
several
years,
along
with
charles
hartling
titian,
pablo
cristo
and
several
other
modernists
next.
AF
So
I
want
to
show
some
highlights
of
the
architecture
produced
by
hobart
wagner's
company
here
in
boulder.
This
is
a
photo
of
his
architecture,
office
building,
which
seems
to
float
like
a
boat
above
a
pond.
Next,
his
company
was
involved
in
the
design
of
these
very
cutting
edge.
Public
schools
in
boulder
next
slide
wagner
was
also
entrusted
by
startup
companies
like
ball
aerospace
to
embody
their
innovative
missions
in
dynamic
architecture.
AF
Next
slide,
wagner's
architecture
firm
gave
spiritual
expression
to
several
churches
around
town,
the
next
and
at
the
university
of
colorado.
Well,
it
benefited
from
the
large-scale
planning
creativity
of
the
wagner
architecture
office
at
three
villages
on
campus
williams,
engineering
and
kittridge
next
slide.
AF
Now
I
want
to
turn
your
attention
to
the
architecture
of
the
midland
atrium
building.
It
was
designed
with
many
of
the
key
principles
of
the
modern
movement
of
architecture.
The
surprise
of
the
building
is
that
the
ceiling
inside
soars
up
into
the
pyramidal
roof
flooding
the
interior
with
abundant
daylight.
The
really
large
windows
bring
a
sense
of
the
outside
right
into
the
building
and
the
broad
overhanging
roof
shades.
The
glass
reducing
energy
use,
the
materials
are
cost
effective,
being
locally
sourced,
sandstone
lumber
and
roof
shingles,
and
are
very
well
crafted
next
slide.
AF
Next
slide,
many
19th
and
early
20th
century
banks
copied
the
classical
expression
of
ancient
buildings
like
the
pantheon
in
rome
to
give
them
an
image
of
solidity
and
financial
security
wagner
also
borrowed
from
classical
architecture,
but
abstracted
it
with
an
innovatively
modern
sensibility.
The
shape
of
the
midland
bank
roof
is
inspired
by
the
pantheon's
triangular
pediment.
Columns
of
the
pantheon
are
arrayed
across
the
front.
AF
The
midland
bank
design
hints
at
that
with
a
colonnade
that
marches
around
the
four
sides
of
the
building
and
famously
the
pantheon
has
a
skylight
at
the
top
of
the
roof,
and
so
does
the
midland
bank.
Next,
one
subtle
architectural
design
motif
worth
mentioning
that
wagner
use
is
that
is
the
connection
to
the
masonic
image
on
the
dollar
bill.
Note
the
triangular
skylight
on
the
top
of
the
midland
building.
AF
What
could
be
more
symbolic
for
a
bank
next
slide
now?
Turning?
Can
you
go
forward
a
couple
this
one
perfect
now
turning
to
the
historic
significance,
I
want
to
make
two
points
about
the
building.
It
exemplified
the
crucial
importance
of
savings
and
loans
on
the
rapid
growth
of
boulder,
and
it
has
had
a
vital
second
life
as
a
government
office.
Next,
the
midland
bank,
along
with
other
savings
and
loans,
made
it
possible
for
people
across
the
united
states
to
afford
to
buy
a
home
as
portrayed
in
the
movie.
It's
a
wonderful
life.
AF
AF
Remarkably,
the
building
has
had
an
equally
significant
second
life
as
a
center
of
government
activity
for
many
years
as
boulder
grew,
so
did
the
size
of
the
government.
There
has
been
a
continual
need
for
more
office
space.
As
you
well
know,
the
midland
savings
atrium
building
has
filled
that
need
as
an
annex
to
the
municipal
and
park
central
buildings,
just
think
of
the
government
programs
that
were
conceived
here
that
have
and
will
influence
the
history
of
boulder
next
slide.
AF
Landmarking
the
midland
atrium
building
will
ensure
its
usefulness
for
years
to
come.
Here's
a
conceptual
sketch
that
imagines
retrofitting
the
south
side
of
the
building
to
provide
access
to
the
community
activities
on
the
plaza
like
the
farmers
market
next
slide
and
here's
a
conceptual
view
imagining
how
the
building
interior
could
be
opened
up
to
create
a
large
multi-use
space
for
as
many
community
activities.
As
you
can
imagine.
AF
Next,
I
want
to
finish
with
a
few
slides
to
visualize
with
you
a
few
options
for
this
property.
The
first,
of
course,
is
to
save
the
existing
building
repurposing
it
it
would
have
its
third
life
doing.
This
is
the
most
environmental
solution.
The
greenest
building
is
one
that
is
already
built
because
of
the
preservation
of
the
embodied
energy
in
it.
That's
the
energy
it
took
to
build
it,
you
throw
it
away,
you
put
it
in
a
landfill,
and
that
is
gone
next.
AF
The
second
option
is
to
promote
the
development
of
a
new
large
building
that
could
have
many
apartments
and
located
on
the
surface
parking
lots
along
14th
street.
The
midland
atrium
building
could
be
reused
as
an
amenity
space
for
the
new
housing
development,
the
tea
house
b,
mocha
and
the
band
shell.
This
option
would
also
preserve
the
nice
low
scale
along
13th
street,
facing
central
park.
AF
Next.
The
third
option
would
be
to
think
only
like
a
developer
maximizing
the
density
by
throwing
away
the
midland
savings
atrium
building
and
its
legacy
qualities.
A
building
the
size
of
one
boulder
plaza
would
effectively
wall
off
the
tea
house
and
b
mocha
from
visual
access
and
loom
over
central
park,
and
my
last
slide
on
behalf
of
our
community
historic
boulder
is
asking
you
to
value
the
remarkable
qualities
embedded
in
the
midland
savings
atrium
building.
It
has
architectural
historical
and
environmental
attributes
that
can
continue
to
contribute
to
the
innovative
essence
of
boulder.
AF
These
qualities
are
especially
worth
valuing
at
a
time
when
the
character
of
boulder
is
changing
with
so
much
development
happening.
The
timing
is
crucial
now,
as
you
know,
in
the
recent
november
election
a
bond
was
passed
that
includes
some
funding
for
studying
a
redevelopment
of
the
east
bookend
area,
where
the
midland
savings
atrium
is
located.
AF
C
C
All
right
not
seeing
any
so
thank
you
for
that
and
I
believe
we
will
go
to
the
public
hearing
now.
Do
I
have
the
sequence
right.
B
C
K
Thanks
erin
not
having
done
this
before
alicia,
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
we
just
go
through
the
list
that
you
have
starting
with
patrick
o'rourke,.
K
That
is
correct.
Do
we
need
to
run
through
the
guidelines
for
public
participation
again,
or
is
that
okay
to
have
done
it
at
the
outset.
D
K
Perfect
thanks.
Okay,
so
I
think
we
can
get
started
with
mr
o'rourke
and
I
believe
it'll
be
three
minutes
for
speaker.
AG
Thank
you.
I
thought
it
was
two,
but
that's
fine.
B
No,
it
is
two
because
only
seven
people
signed
up.
It
would
be
two
if
it
was
more
than
fifteen.
AG
Thank
you.
That's
the
third
time
I've
seen
that
presentation,
and
I
find
it
amazing.
The
history
that
one
brings
to
the
table
is
unsurpassed
so
good
evening,
city,
council,
my
name
is
patrick
o'rourke.
I'm
the
preservation,
chairperson
for
historic,
boulder
in
2015
historic
boulder,
submitted
the
original
landmark
application.
AG
At
that
time,
we
agreed
to
suspend
the
application
for
up
to
two
years
in
order
to
let
the
city
do
a
feasibility
study.
That
study
was
completed
in
2017.
jump
forward
to
august
2021
to
sport.
Historic
boulder
then
requested
to
the
landmarks
board
that
the
application
moved
forward
and
in
december
of
last
year,
the
landmarks
board
voted
unanimously
to
approve
the
landmark
designation.
AG
K
Thanks
so
much
patrick
next
up
we'll
have
dan
courson
and
ondeck
are
susan
osborne
and
deborah
yen.
AH
Thank
you,
I'm
dan
corson
40
49
year
resident
of
boulder.
First,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
service
and
congratulations
to
new
members
in
1979
historic,
boulder,
leased
and
ultimately
owned
the
boulder
theater
operating
it
at
great
loss.
Running
second
run
movies.
The
man
theater
the
prior
owner
placed
a
covenant
that
no
first
run
movies
could
be
run
there
for
75
years
making
a
bit
of
a
white
elephant.
AH
Historic
boulder's
goal
was
to
find
a
buyer
who
would
not
only
landmark
the
exterior
but
preserve
the
interior
murals,
and
it
was
successful
in
that
respect.
In
1979,
the
boulder
theater
was
43
years
old.
We
heard
such
comments
as
this
isn't
historic.
This
is
not
an
old
building,
I'm
older
than
this
building.
It
was
a
bit
of
a
surprise.
I
suppose
that
some
felt
that
didn't
appreciate
the
architectural
significance
of
art
deco,
something
that's
hard
to
imagine
today.
AH
In
1985,
the
city
using
national
park
service
grants
administered
by
the
state,
historic
preservation
office,
started
a
process
of
surveying,
boulder's,
historic
properties,
neighborhood
surveys
and
also
thematic
surveys
such
as
the
year
2000
survey
of
modern
buildings
in
boulder
built
between
1947
and
1977,
and,
of
course,
the
the
atrium
building
was
featured
in
that
survey
as
one
that
should
be
preserved.
This
was
conducted
by
architects
and
architectural
historians.
AH
Similarly,
somebody
moving
to
boulder
in
1939
probably
would
not
have
recognized
the
boulder
theater
facade
as
one
that
should
be
safe
for
posterity
time
changes
our
perspectives
about
what
is
significant
to
a
community
and
what
makes
the
community
special.
I
urge
you
to
to
designate
this
building.
I
believe
the
questions
you've
asked
are
all
very
fair
questions,
but
these
are
not
issues
that
cannot
be
dealt
with.
They're
made
alteration
certificates
are
quite
common.
AH
If
you
go
down
the
alleys
of
mapleton
hill,
you're
really
going
to
see
a
building
that
hasn't
been
added
on
to
the
back
of
this
building
as
the
images
that
lin
siegel
showed
you,
if
that
were
opened
up
with
large
windows
instead
of
the
small
ones
doorways,
it
would
make
a
big
difference
in
terms
of
that
elevations
ability
to
be
very
welcoming
to
people.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration
and
again.
I
appreciate
your
service.
AI
Hi
everyone.
I
know
you've
received
a
lot
of
letters
supporting
the
landmarking
of
the
atrium
and,
as
president
of
historic
boulder,
I
can
tell
you
and,
as
you've
heard
from
james
we've
waited
almost
seven
years
to
bring
this
nomination
to
you.
We
are
thrilled
that
the
landmarking
of
this
handsome
modernist
building
is
on
your
agenda
tonight
and
even
more
delighted
that
the
designation
comes
to
you
with
the
unanimous
recommendation
of
the
landmark
sport
and
the
city
staff.
AI
AI
Now
you've
already
heard
that
city
study
done
in
the
early
2000s
one
of
66
buildings
is
the
atrium
building,
and
at
that
time
it
was
recommended
to
be
landmarked.
This
is
all
to
say
that
the
city's
own
studies
and
plans
would
suggest
that
the
landmarking
of
the
atrium
building
is
appropriate
warranted.
AI
K
I
Okay,
I'm
deborah
yin
resident
of
boulder,
an
architect
and
a
former
landmarks
board
member
others.
I
I'm
sorry
skip
that
part.
What
distinguishes
boulder
from
other
places
are
the
things
that
are
unique
to
our
town,
its
past
and
present
people
and
their
contributions,
such
as
the
mindset
that
resulted
in
our
protected
natural
setting.
Other
examples
include
the
pearl
street
and
mapleton
hill
historic
districts.
I
I
The
next
point
is
one
that
I
that
may
not
be
obvious,
and
that
is
the
economics
of
preservation.
The
2017
report
preservation
for
a
change
in
colorado
by
colorado
preservation,
inc,
highlighted
several
benefits
of
historic
preservation,
backed
by
data.
Some
benefits
are
as
follows:
jobs
were
created
as
a
result
of
preservation.
I
I
Not
only
do
local
businesses
need
heritage
tourism,
the
city
does
as
well
tourist
spending
taxes
fund,
boulders
programs,
historic
preservation
helps
boulder
achieve
its
goals,
including
environmental
sustainability,
equity
and
programs
to
benefit
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
community.
Landlord
designation
of
this
building
will
strengthen
boulder's
identity
and
further
its
goals.
AK
Okay,
hello,
my
name
is
catherine
barth
and
I'm
a
preservation
architect.
I've
lived
in
boulder
for
30
years
and
have
been
involved
with
being
on
the
landmarks
board
and
being
a
volunteer
with
historic
boulder
for
many
of
those
years.
AK
I
love
this
building
because
of
its
scale
and
the
way
it
sits
on
the
corner,
and
it's
just
like
a
wonderful
object
that
has
enough
changes
on
each
facet
that
you
want
to
look,
and
you
want
to
look
very
closely
at
it.
I
love
the
stone
and
I
love
the
pyramidal
roof.
AK
AK
So
I
think,
I
think
your
consideration
of
a
building
that
can
be
reused
to
benefit
the
entire
community
is
really
very
valid,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
find
so
interesting
about
canyon
boulevard
is
that
I'm
sure
you
all
remember
that
first
it
was
called
water
street
because
it
flooded
so
often,
then
it
was
called
railroad
street
and
then
finally,
it
became
canyon
boulevard
and,
with
the
eclectic
really
eclectic
history
of
boulder,
we
have
so
many
buildings
in
this
area
of
town
in
what
we
call
the
east
book
end
that
just
show
kind
of
the
crazy
development
and
history
of
boulder
that
things
just
happened,
and
you
know
you
had
a
railroad
running
down
the
street
and
until
not
too
many
years
ago,
and
we
had
a
railroad
station
right
in
the
middle
of
14th
street
until
it
got
moved
twice.
AK
P
Hey
the
the
first
thing
I
was
going
to
say:
that's
good
about
this
building
landmarking.
It
is
that
there's
a
toxic
waste
area
around
it
associated
with
that
platform,
where
the
international
dancers
dance
between
that
and
the
duchamp.
P
And
I
I
don't
want
that
land
disturbed
it's
just
like
the
coal
seam
and
the
underground
fires,
and
that
the
association
of
that
it
really
makes
me
afraid
for
boulder
that
we
don't
do
something
to
remediate
the
the
coal
mines,
because
if
this
building
we
land
market
and
then
it
gets
burnt
down-
and
I
don't
want
to
die
in
a
fire
like
robert
did-
you
know
it's
prohibitively
expensive
to
to
take
nature
and
harness
it
and
stop
a
coal
mine
fire.
P
P
I
loved
the
eye
at
the
top,
it's
the
eye
to
boulder
to
see
that
our
housing
is
way
too
expensive.
Here,
like
it's
a
wonderful
life,
it's
saving
the
freaking
savings
alone.
We've
got
to
save
boulder
from
all
of
this
unaffordable
housing.
That's
just
eating
up
our
landscape
and
just
ripe
for
fire,
because
we
need
to
spread
out
more
that's
what
happened
on
these
cul-de-sacs,
the
marshall
fire
just
ate
up
the
whole
cul-de-sac.
P
P
P
Save
boulder
from
this
over
abundance
of
high
high-end
housing
and
make
the
savings
and
loan
that
that
hobart,
wagoner
preserved,
you
know
in
his
design,
make
it
for
what
it
really
is
supposed
to
be,
like
jimmy
stewart
said
for
people
who
can
afford
stuff
so
that
we
don't
have
these
encampments
all
over.
P
AL
The
folks
before
me
have,
by
and
large,
covered
everything
I
guess,
I'm
acting
as
a
sweep.
The
building
is
extremely
flexible.
As
I've
noted
to
you
in
my
letter,
you
could
think
of
it
as
a
commissary
tent
that
the
sides
could
be
moved
up
on
the
city
owns
the
building.
The
city
can
do
a
lot
with
it
through
the
landmarks
death
designation
through
the
landmarks
change
process.
AL
AL
C
Well,
did
we
have
any
response
from
the
applicant
or
the
owner
in
this
case.
C
Seeing
none,
I
think
we
can
move
right
into
comments.
J
I'll
start
with
a
chinese
proverb
which
is
the
best
day
to
plant
a
tree
was
20
years
ago,
and
the
second
best
date
of
planet
tree
is
today
and
that
proverb
came
back
to
mind
when
dan
courson
spoke.
J
Dan,
of
course,
is
a
former
member
of
this
council
many
many
years
ago
and
dan
observed
for
us
that
when
the
boulder
theater
was
landmarked
in
1979,
it
was
a
mere
43
years
old,
and
here
we
are
exactly
43
years
later
and
thank
god,
whoever's
on
city
council
back
in
1979,
saw
fit
to
to
landmark
that
now
86
year
old
building,
and
I
realize
that
the
atrium
building
is
only
53
years
old.
I
think
that
53
years
from
now,
a
future
council
and
a
future
community
will
thank
us
for
landmarking
this
building.
J
So
with
those
thoughts
in
mind,
I'm
fully
in
supportive
of
this
landmarking.
Z
I
am
a
little
short
of
proverbs
this
evening,
so
I'm
not
going
to
do
that,
but
I
will
say
that
architecturally
this
building
is
eminently
landmarkable.
I
support
it
in
full,
but
I
want
to
take
one
cue
from
nicole
and
the
last
speaker
and
suggest
that
we
do
not
name
it:
the
midland
savings
bank,
building
that
we
simply
we
can
call
it
the
hobie
hobie
wagner,
atrium,
building
or
simply
the
atrium
building,
and
I
think
that
will
capture
the
essence
of
this.
Landmarking
is
because
of
wagner's
merit
as
an
architect.
Z
It's
consistency
with
his
other
works
in
town,
and
I
think
the
emphasis
should
be
on
him
and
not
on
the
particular
corporation
that
happened
to
occupy
it
for
a
time
and
might
well
have
been
engaged
in
poor
practices.
So
I
would
be
supportive
of
naming
it
something
else,
not
something
irrelevant,
but
either
the
atrium
building
or
the
wagner
atrium
building
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
not
necessarily
referencing
the
midland
bank,
but
other
than
that.
I
am
very
supportive
of
this
and
will
certainly
support
it
when
it
comes
to
a
vote
thanks
and.
AC
Thanks
for
that,
mark,
you
really
queued
me
up.
Well,
there
I
was
just
gonna
ask
you
know,
I
know
with
the
marpa
house,
we
we
did
something
where
we
acknowledged
kind
of
the
history
of
that
house
in
the
process
of
landmarking,
and
you
know
I'm
curious
just
because
of
this
building's
history.
AC
I
love
the
idea
of
not
including
the
savings
and
loan
in
there,
so
that
we're
not
kind
of
glorifying
that
aspect
of
the
history,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
something
we
could
do
a
plaque,
some
sort
of
those
lovely
educational
things
like
we
have
throughout
downtown.
They
could
really
talk
about
this
and
how
you
know
the
practices
of
things
like
redlining
and
giving
disproportionately
giving
loans
to
white
folks
and
how
that
kind
of
contributed
to
wealth
disparities.
AC
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
could
use
this
as
an
educational
moment
for
the
community
as
well.
I
think
a
lot
of
communities
are
kind
of
reacting
in
a
different
way
to
acknowledging
our
country's
racist
history,
and
I
would
just
really
love
to
see
us.
You
know
particularly
having
read
the
black
history
month
declaration,
I'm
just
really
acknowledging
that
that
is
a
part
of
our
history
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
part
of
our
present
or
future.
Unless
we
choose
that.
W
Yeah
thanks
for
that,
nicole,
thanks
for
sort
of
priming,
the
concept
of
name,
change
and
and
mark.
I
appreciate
you
following
up
on
that
mine's
really
just
a
pr
process
question
I
support
the
name
change.
I
I
think
the
atrium
or
or
using
the
architect
name
with
the
atrium,
is
simplified
and
more
focused
on
what
we're
trying
to
preserve
in
terms
of
process.
Do.
W
Can
we
just
do
we
need
to
decide
what
that
name
is
tonight
as
we
pass
a
motion
to
approve,
or
can
the
name
be
left
in
minuses
to
perhaps
better
minds
to
find
the
right
name
or
do
we
have
to
decide
that
tonight
in
our
approval
process.
AB
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
can.
You
can
amend
the
the
name
tonight,
but
I
would
just
check
with
the
city
attorney
to
make
sure
that
I'm
on
firm
ground
there.
I
think
that's
something
that
could
be
done.
I
don't
know
if
that
would
take
a
third
reading
or
not.
C
Well
and
I'll
just
note
before
teresa
turns
and
the
name
is
in
the
ordinance,
so
we
could
always
pass
an
amended
version
of
the
ordinance
I
believe,
but
I
think
matt
was
also
asking
if
we
could
come
back
later
and
decide
it
later,
so
I
don't
know
teresa.
Do
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
those
couple
things.
G
D
G
Until
someone
some
next
or
future
regular
meeting
where
you
could,
where
you
could
then
do
the
name,
I'm
afraid
I
am
not
terribly
familiar
with
the
landmark
naming
portion
of
the
code.
I
believe,
though,
that
there
are
still
all
recommendations
to
counsel
and
the
council
would
have
the
discretion
to
change
the
name
here
here
on
a
vote
this
evening.
C
Okay,
so
I'll
just
piggyback
on
that
and
say
that
I
think
we
certainly
could
it's
my
understanding
that
we
could.
There
could
be
a
motion
to
pass
the
ordinance
with
an
amendment
of
a
different
name
than
what's
currently
listed
in
it.
We
could
just
do
that
now.
I
think
if
we
wanted
to
to
come
back
to
it,
we'd
need
some
additional
process.
W
Aaron
can
I
would
it
be
helpful
just
because
that
that
embarks
on
a
whole
process?
Is
it
worth,
maybe
just
getting
a
straw
poll
to
some
extent,
if
there's
interest
in
the
name
change,
because
if
there
isn't
or
we
don't
have
a
majority,
then
we
just
move
on,
don't
talk
about
it.
If
there
is,
then
maybe
that
triggers
a
deeper
conversation
on
process.
Z
At
least
okay,
I
would
not
want
to
hold
this
up
on
the
basis
of
the
name.
I
I
think
we
should
just
pick
a
name
whatever
it
is.
We
can
amend
the
name
later,
but
I
would
like
to
see
this
building
landmarked
tonight,
and
so
my
suggestion
would
be
you
know
the
wagner
atrium
building
if
somebody's
got
a
better
suggestion,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
defer
and
then
later,
if
we
find
that
unsatisfactory,
whatever
we
do
tonight,
just
the
atrium
building
is
also
satisfactory.
Z
We
can
go
through
the
process
then,
but
I
think
this
is
a
building
that
deserves
landmarking
at
this
meeting,
rather
than
getting
into
a
long,
drawn-out
tug-of-war
over
what
the
best
name
will
be
and
if
somebody's
got
a
better
name
than
mine,
I'm
I'm
delighted
to
defer.
I
just
just
wanted
to
remove
the
midland
savings
bank
from
the
name
for
the
reasons
stated
by
our
last
speaker
and
nicole
and
and
move
on.
So
that's
my
beautiful.
C
G
Thank
you,
mary.
I
wanted
to
clarify
one
thing
that
I
that
or
more
expand
more
on
one
thing
I
said,
if
amended
tonight,
because
we
are
at
second
reading,
we
would
have
to
go
through
one
more
reading
and
that
would
be
then
on
the
consent
agenda.
At
the
next
meeting.
We
could
place
this
item,
but
so
with
any
amendment
we
would
do
one
additional
reading.
C
K
I
just
wanted
to
add
for
context
on
the
marpa
house
when
we,
because
I
was
the
one
who
who
pushed
for
us
to
pick
a
different
name
for
a
couple
of
landmarks
over
the
last
few
years
and
and
in
some
of
those
situations,
we
had
some
some
real
harm
that
had
come
out
of
like
the
activity
at
that
house,
like
with
martha.
K
There
were
sexual
abuse
victims,
you
know
abused,
arguably
under
that
name,
and
so
I
think
that
there
was
some
some
thought
that
that
people
would
be
harmed
by
seeing
that
and
you
know,
set
in
stone
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
clear
whether
it's
exactly
the
same
situation
here.
K
So
I
just
wonder
if
this
is
maybe
a
broader
conversation
than
this
one
landmark
like
how
do
we
honor
and
reflect
on
on
red
lighting
and
broad
racism,
and-
and
you
know
talking
through
it
at
the
last
minute-
it's
a
little
bit
tricky,
but
I'm
happy
to
do
whatever
the
role
of
council
is.
AN
Rachel,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
add
more
to
what
you're
saying
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
don't
think
if
the
name
is
something
that
is
truly
important
to
us
and
important
to
the
landmarking
of
that
particular
building
or
any
future
building.
AN
We
should
have
a
process,
and
I
don't
think
it
should
be
just
us
coming
up
with
a
name
just
out
of
the
blue,
maybe
some
type
of
a
process
having
maybe
a
class
or
having
community
members
send
in
some
names,
as
opposed
to
just
us
figuring
it
out
by
just
even
though
mark's
suggestion
is
pretty
good.
I
just
think
maybe
having
some
broader
outreach
in
the
name
might
be
useful.
Y
Thank
you,
I
think.
Y
Currently,
I
feel
like
that
building
is
commonly
referred
to
as
the
atrium
building
and
to
me
it
feels
appropriate
that
that
would
that
it
could
either
be
simplified
to
that
or
that,
at
the
very
least,
that
portion
of
the
name
would
go
first,
because
that
is,
I
wouldn't
know
what
the
midland
savings
bank
was,
and
that
isn't
the
part
to
me
of
the
building
that
we're
trying
to
commemorate
as
much.
Y
So
that's
my
thoughts
on
the
naming-
and
I
guess
I
just
want
you
know
earlier
james.
You
had
mentioned
in
response
to
bob's
question
that
you
might
be
able
to
work
with
us
on
if
there
were
any
changes
to
the
ordinance.
That
would
make
it
more
clear
that,
like
the
features
of
the
building
that
we
were
interested
in
protecting,
I
know
for
me
when
I
read
through
this.
It
mentioned
the
sandstone
walls,
and
I
was
thinking.
Y
AB
Yeah,
you
know
in
the
background
chris
maschuk
took
a
a
crack
at
drafting
some
language
that
might
amend
and
clarify
some
of
those,
and
I
can
share
that
with
the
council.
C
C
If
that's
right,
so
I
I'm
hearing
some
different
opinions,
but
a
fair
amount
of
interest
in
not
going
with
the
original
proposed
name.
That
includes
the
midland
savings
bank
and
I'd
be
one
of
the
people
that
would
prefer
to
not
have
that
name
in
there.
So
here's
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
and
feel
free
to
disagree
with
me.
C
I
thought
ginny
had
a
good
point
about
us,
not
necessarily
coming
up
with
a
brand
new
name
on
the
spot,
but
I
think
and
potentially
easy
name
to
go
with
is
just
to
start
with
is
just
the
atrium
building
and
and
then
we
could
do
some
outreach
to
the
historic
preservation
community
around
town
and
see
if
people
had
suggestions
for
an
alternate
that
we
could
then
amend
the
name
later,
but
maybe
just
start
with
that
simple
name
and
that
we
could
finish
out
tonight
and
go
from
there.
Z
I
am
fully
supportive
of
that.
I
think
we
should
get
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
possible
and
then
open
it
up
for
suggestions,
one
and
all
from
the
community
and
engage
in
whatever
process
we
think
is
appropriate
to
improve
the
name.
If
that's
what
we
want
to
do,
but
I
would
not
hold
up
the
landmarking
of
this
building
any
more
than
is
absolutely
necessary.
Z
W
Yeah
I
I
aaron.
I
I
like
that
idea
a
lot
so
that
that
works.
For
me,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
we
circle
back
to
lauren's
question
about
walls
versus
columns,
so
that
may
change
with
language
and
like
to
hear
james
language,
but
with
putting
the
name
to
bed.
I
like
the
atrium,
we'll
tackle
something,
maybe
perhaps
better
down
the
road.
So
thanks
to
that
recommendation,
james.
AB
So
I
think
to
that
extent
the
atrium
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
you
know
I
I
think
the
notion
of
going
out
to
the
community,
because
it
is
a
public
building,
is
an
appropriate
one,
though
it's
it's
not
one
that
I'm
I'm
sure
that
we've
done
in
the
past,
but
it
seems
like
it.
It
makes
sense,
given
that
it
is
a
city-owned
building.
C
Ms
tara,
all
right,
nicole.
AC
It's
just
a
side
comment
that
I
found
amusing
to
try
to
wake
us
up
at
8
o'clock.
I
would
love
to
see
us
at
some
point.
Have
a
naming
thing
kind
of
like
we
do
for
snow
plows,
which
is
kind
of
you
know,
can
go
out
to
the
community
right.
We
can
get
get
folks
to
weigh
in,
and
maybe
we
can
get
a
cool
name
like
darth
later.
C
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
people
are
generally
okay
with
that
approach.
So,
let's
move
on.
I
I've
I'm
hearing
a
couple
of
other
issues.
One
is
about
language
that
sounds
like
chris
may,
have
some
ideas
on
about
the
exterior
and
then
possibly
about
the
what
the
boundary
might
be.
If
lauren,
you
wanted
to
pick
that
back
up
again.
Those
are
the
possible
remaining
issues,
I'm
hearing
outstanding
so
far.
So
do
we
want
to
go
to
james
to
hear
the
language
from
proposed
language
on
that.
AB
You
know
I'm
having
trouble
pulling
it
up
on
my
screen,
but
I
could.
I
could
read
to
you
what
the
suggested
section
is,
so
it
would
be
at
sections
four,
which
is
describing
the
character
defining
features,
so
the
potential
added
language
would
be
in
the
designation
of
this
landmark.
C
That's
some
fancy
languages.
Anybody
have
any
objections
to
that
or
want
to
make
comments
about
changes
or.
C
C
Okay,
so
any
other
any
other
potential
changes.
Anybody
wanted
to
offer.
Y
I
guess
on
the
boundary
my
argument
for
the
boundary
is
just
that,
while
we
can
get
a
landmark
alteration
certificate
to
make
to
make
changes
to
the
parking,
I
personally
don't
want
to
see
altering
a
parking
lot
be,
have
any
hurdle
associated
with
it.
To
the
extent
that
we're
able
to
you
know,
I
would
like
to
see
that
we
are
making
it
as
easy
as
possible
to
turn
that
into
grass
or
something
else.
C
I'll
call
on
myself
I'll
agree
with
you
there
that
your
suggestion
from
before
of
making
the
landmark
boundary
the
eaves
of
the
building
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
So
we're
still
protecting
the
boundary
of
the
eaves
but,
like
you
say,
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
to
repurpose
the
surface
asphalt
and
parking
lot
and
the
city
is
the
owner
here.
So
I
don't
think
we
would
do
anything
terrible
or
horrible.
I
think
we're
in
safe
and
good
hands
with
the
city's
owner.
J
I
just
agree
with
you
and
lauren.
I
I
think
the
eve
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
we
know
that
the
city
is
going
to
move
out
of
this
building
and
we
know
that
the
east
bookends
can
be
redeveloped.
So
this
is
not
a
hypothetical
situation,
we
say:
oh
we're
going
to
landmark
a
house
and
maybe
20
or
30
years
later
somebody
changes
it.
We
know
that
this
is
going
to
change,
and
so
I
think,
drawing
the
boundaries
as
narrowly
as
possible,
as
lauren
has
suggested,
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
C
Well,
if
there
are
no
objections,
then
maybe
that's
the
direction
to
go
in.
So
people
are
welcome
to
add
additional
comments
or
someone
could
make
a
motion
based
on
our
discussion
that
we've
been
having.
C
J
I'll
give
it
a
shot.
I
move
that
we
adopt
ordinance
8496,
designating
the
property
at
1300
canyon
boulevard,
also
known
as
the
atrium
building
as
an
individual,
landmark
under
chapter
911,
historic
preservation,
brc
1981
and
sending
forth
related
details
with
two
amendments,
one
amending
the
boundaries
to
come
only
to
the
eaves
of
the
building
and
second
amending
the.
I
guess
we
amended
the
name.
J
J
Amending
then
the
name
in
section
six
is
that
that
correct
aaron
is
that
appointment.
That's
right,
I
believe,
to
the
atrium
building
with
the
with
the
with
the
the
boundaries
at
the
eaves
and
the
description
as
read
by
james
hewitt.
C
What's
that
bob,
do
we
have
a
second
second
wait,
let's
see,
mark
you
cut
your
hand
up.
Z
In
other
words,
I
I
would
be
a
little
uncomfortable
if
we
had
a
boundary.
That
was
where
a
building
could
be
built.
You
know
10
feet
away,
I
mean
you
have
to
let
the
landmark
breathe
a
little
bit
and
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
maintain
a
parking
lot,
but
I'd
like
to
have
enough
boundary
around
this
structure
so
that
it
can
be
seen
for
what
it
is.
As
opposed
to
having
a
looming
wall
eight
feet,
five
feet,
ten
feet
off
of
the
structure.
I
I
just
don't
think
that
makes
architectural
sense.
C
AO
So
if
you
did
want
to
build
in
some
buffer
space,
you
may
not
want
to
take
the
landmark
boundary
to
the
eaves
themselves.
You
may
want
to
proceed
with
the
boundary
as
drafted,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
look
up
the
setbacks
for
the
district
that
are
taken
from
the
property
line
itself.
C
AO
Would
still
be
from
the
existing
property
line
for
for
new
development,
the
landmark
boundary
kind
of
functions
as
a
as
a
setback.
So
you
know
in
this
particular
case,
the
the
setbacks
are
a
bit
arbitrary.
In
that
case,.
AO
But
you're
correct
aaron,
the
the
landmark
boundary
does
kind
of
function
like
a
setback.
Z
Well,
yes,
but
it
leaves
me
concerned
that,
if
the
property
line
I'm
understanding
charles
correctly-
and
if
we
do
it
to
the
eaves,
we
we
have
no
buffer
between
the
property
and
whatever
is
built
next
to
it.
And
that's
not
a
question
of
preventing
redevelopment
of
a
larger
lot.
It's
let's
do
it
at
least
with
a
little
bit
of
style
and
have
a
landmark
that
people
can
look
at
and
see
in
its
proper
context.
It's
not
about
preserving
parking
lot.
It's
not
about
you
know
preventing
development.
Y
Yeah,
I
was
just
I
mean
it
seems
like
it's
very
close
or
fairly
close
to
canyon,
so
my
guess
was
that
the
setback
is
going
to
make
it
fairly
impossible
to
build
any
building
between
canyon
and
the
atrium,
so
it
might
also
be
clarif
could
be
clarified
to
know
what
that
the
setback
is
in
that
zone.
It
looks
like
it's.
Z
As
the
alley
you
know
the
other,
the
other
two
boundaries.
What
am
I
looking
at
my
directional
senses
is
poor,
but
you
know
not
the
one
off
of
canyon
because
it
doesn't,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
any
problem
there,
but
it
it's
the
one.
What
am
I
thinking
of
yeah
this
one
move
down
that
not
that
one,
not
that
one,
that
one
and
this
one,
the
one
going
up
and
that's
really
all
I'm
concerned
with-
is
that
the
building
can
can
have
a
little
bit
of
grace.
G
Yes
mayor,
I
just
had
a
a
point
of
order
for
you
all.
The
current
motion
on
the
table
as
it
stands
is
to
adopt
this
ordinance
with
an.
If
an
amendment
is
made
such
as
the
motion
contemplates,
it
would
be
to
amend
the
ordinance
and
then
we
would
come
back
for
third
reading.
C
Z
And
that's
the
one
I'm
concerned
about
go
back
that
one
and
the
one
that
one
and
I
have
no
problem
if
it's
to
the
eaves,
if
we
have
a
sense
of
what
those
setbacks
are
under
the
code
and
they
give
enough
space
for
the
building
to
you
know
to
appropriately
be
shown-
and
I
don't
know
what
those
setbacks
are,
as
you
know,
are
they
rear
setbacks?
Are
they
side
setbacks
and
if
their
side
setbacks,
you
know
what
what's
the
number
if
it's
eight
feet
from
the
building,
I
I
have
a
concern.
C
I'm
gonna
try
one
more
time,
charles
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
Apologies
do
we
have
a
sense
of
what
the
actual
setback
from
the
building
would
be.
AC
Yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
I
mean,
because
this
is
still
city
property
right
to
have
something
built
like
so
close
to
the
building,
wouldn't
it
kind
of
have
to
be
like
a
five
foot
wide
building
or
something
like
that,
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
think
about.
Like
the
city,
you
know
building
something
in
that
tiny
little
bit
of
space,
that
that
would
be
a
building
or
somehow,
you
know,
infringe
on
what
we're
about
to
landmark.
Bro.
AB
Z
Z
Y
AC
AC
AC
I
I
would
love
to
see
a
park,
for
example
like
green
space,
or
something
like
that,
whatever
us
or
future
council
decides
to
do,
but
then
you
know
we
would
still
have
that
space
as
a
buffer
between
whatever
that
other
property
owner
would
decide
to
do
in
the
future.
C
C
C
No,
but
we
would
have,
we
would
have
the
ability,
as
the
owner,
to
set
the
parameters
for
what
happened
there
in
the
future.
Okay,.
AO
I
am
so
the
property
is
located
in
the
dt5
zone,
so
downtown
five
is
our
most
intensive
downtown
zoning
district,
which
is
really
designed
to
reflect
in
urban
form.
So
the
setbacks
are
a
bit
confusing,
but
the
front
setback
from
building
to
property
line
would
be
15
feet.
So
that
would
be
the
side
that
faces
canyon.
AO
The
rear
yard
setback
would
need
to
be
20
feet
in
this
case,
so
that
would
be
the
side
of
the
building.
That's
opposite
of
canyon,
so
right
there
correct.
So
that's
a
non-conforming
condition,
because
it's
built
to
a
zero
watt
line
and
then
side
yard
setbacks,
depending
on
the
situation,
are
either
0
or
12
feet,
depending
on
a
redevelopment
scenario.
AO
But
in
this
particular
case
the
existing
structure
is
considered
non-conforming
in
this
case,
because
it
was
built
prior
to
the
setback
standards
that
we
have
on
the
books
today.
Z
AB
I
believe
that's
that's.
What
has
been
suggested
is
that
it
would
it
would
it
would
run
or
along
the
eve,
so
it
would
just
yeah
just.
C
I
apologize
for
interrupting
I'm
going
to
make
a
suggestion,
because
I
think
we
should
wrap
up
here.
I
think
we're
very
close,
but
we
need
to
settle
this
out.
We
also
have
a
fair
amount
left
this
evening,
so
I
I'm
not
hearing
any
concern
about
the
north,
the
north
setback,
but
they're
a
concern
for
mark
about
the
east,
which,
apparently,
theoretically,
you
could
put
a
building
closer
than
we
might
want.
C
So
I
my
proposal
will
be
to
say:
go
with
the
the
the
prop
the
the
boundary
on
the
eaves
on
the
north
side,
but
to
leave
it
as
it
is
on
the
map
for
the
east
side,
and
so
then,
there's
still
a
couple.
Hoops
you'd
have
to
jump
through
to
change
the
parking
lot
to
the
east,
but
it
would
retain
some
protection
to
prevent
a
building
from
coming
too
close
sometime
in
the
future.
I'd
be
fine
with
that.
H
C
Very
good,
so
then
I
I'll
offer,
I
think
the
way
we
do
that
is.
I
would
offer
a
friendly
amendment
bob
to
your
motion
to
say
to
further
revise
the
landmark
boundary
so
that,
as
I
stated
that
on
the
north
side,
it's
at
the
eaves
and
on
the
east
side
it's
on
the
the
original
boundary
on
the
map.
C
Matt
were
you
the
second.
Is
that
all
right
with
you,
yep
yep,
all
right?
So,
let's
see
if
we
can
bring
this
too
close.
Would
anyone
bobby
haven't
spoken
in
the
motion?
You
want
to
say
a
few
words.
C
Okay
and
james
you
might
take
the
screen
sharing
off
so
looks
like
we've
got
a
motion.
We've
got
a
second,
we
have
friendly
amendment,
it's
been
accepted,
let's
call
for
a
vote.
I
believe
this
is
roll
call.
B
AK
B
J
AL
T
C
Thanks
for
that,
and
it's
a
good
development
appreciate
historical
bringing
this
forward
and
collaborating
with
the
city
on
this
project,
looking
forward
to
a
good
future
for
that
building
all
right
anything
else
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
item,
nicole.
AC
Just
very
quickly,
this
is
just
me
wondering
if
at
some
point
we
could
have
kind
of
a
conversation
about
landmarking
in
general
and
whether
some
of
the
ways
that
we
choose
to
landmark
buildings
are
still
in
alignment
with
our
goals.
Specifically,
I'm
just
thinking
about
you
know
one
of
the
criteria
we
that
the
landmarking
decisions
are
based
on
is
enhancing
property
values.
I
mean,
given
that
we
have
a
lot
of
problems
with
high
property
values
in
our
city.
AC
I'm
just
you
know
wondering
if
at
some
point
we
can
have
a
conversation
about
whether
that's
really
a
goal
we
want
to
be
striving
toward
as
as
we
move
forward.
So
thank
you
and-
and
I
just
I
really
just
james-
I
really
appreciate
again
I'm
just
kind
of
bringing
up
some
of
the
the
different
perspectives
on
the
historical
buildings
and
things
that
we
have
in
our
community.
C
B
All
right
so
next
we
have
item
5b
under
public
hearings,
which
is
a
another
second
reading,
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance.
84-97
designating
the
property
at
2130
22nd
street,
the
city
of
boulder
colorado,
to
be
known
as
the
shin
jinski's
house,
as
an
individual
landmark
under
chapter
9-11,
historic
preservation,
brc
1981
and
setting
for
the
related
details.
AB
Sorry
about
that,
I
think
I
muted
myself
thanks
mayor
same
criteria
apply
as
with
the
last
property
we
are
shifting
from
a
commercial
property
in
the
core
of
the
city,
to
a
residential
property
east
of
downtown
and,
of
course,
city
council's
options.
This
evening
are
to
do
one
of
three
approve:
modify
an
approved
designation
by
the
ordinance
or
designate
or
deny
the
designation.
AB
I
should
say
in
terms
of
process
with
this
one
it
came
through,
as
originally
as
a
demolition
review
and
was
referred
to
the
landmarks
board,
who
placed
a
stay
of
demolition
on
the
property
for
a
period
of
up
to
180
days
during
the
course
of
the
stay
staff
in
a
subcommittee
of
the
landmarks
board
met
with
the
property
owners
and
their
architect
to
discuss
what
might
be
some
alternatives
to
demolishing
the
building
and
during
the
course
of
those
discussions,
we
came
up
with
some
solutions
that
I
think
benefit
the
property
owners,
because
this
is
a
a
difficult
property
being
very
small
and
also
the
location
of
the
building.
AB
So
it
was
through
the
process
of
discussion.
The
demolition
application
was
withdrawn
and
subsequently
the
property
owners
submitted
an
application
to
designate
the
property
which
would
allow
them
to
take
advantage
of
some
relief
from
the
from
the
zoning
code
and
as
well,
potentially
take
advantage
of
state
historic
tax
credits.
AB
So
on
the
map
or
on
the
screen,
I
should
say,
is
a
location
map
on
the
top
showing
the
location
of
the
house
at
21,
30
22nd
street,
and
it
is
located
in
the
identified
potential.
AB
Whittier
historic
district
and
identified
potential
means
that
it
has
been
identified
as
a
potential
district.
But
to
date,
this
area
has
not
been
landmarked
as
a
historic
district
photograph
from
street
view
showing
the
house
as
it
as
it
looked
last
summer
and
of
course
it
is
a
very
modest
house,
but
actually
a
fairly
rare
survival
of
a
working
class
or
workforce
housing
workforce
house
from
what
we
believe
is
pretty
early
for
this
area
of
boulder.
It
looks
as
though
the
house
was
probably
built
in
the
early
1880s.
AB
Certainly
was
there
by
the
late
late
1880s,
not
a
lot
of
photographic
documentation,
and
that
goes
to
the
fact
that
this
is
a
very
modest
house
in
what
was
a
very
modest
part
of
boulder,
serving
primarily
in
the
19th
century,
fairly
temporary
housing
for
people
that
were
coming
into
town.
AB
The
photograph
on
the
left
shows
the
house
from
a
photograph
in
1968
and
on
the
right
from
the
historic
building
inventory
form
when
the
when
the
property
was
surveyed
in
1988.
AB
Aspects
of
the
house
as
you
move
a
lot
around
the
property,
and
I
think,
what's
notable
about
this
house
and
actually
character,
defining,
is
the
location
of
the
house
off
the
property
line
that
is
right
into
the
right-of-way
several
inches
to
a
foot
as
you
go
along
the
property,
so
the
the
sidewalk
has
historically
been
here
and
I'll
show
you
in
just
a
minute
that
this
probably
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
house.
AB
AB
The
bottom
left
shows
the
sanborn
fire
insurance
maps
from
1900,
1922
and
1931,
showing
the
house
really
intact
over
the
course
of
those
years
and
then
on
a
bird's
eye
view
from
this
is
from
1909.
You
can
see
the
house
here,
so
that's
pretty
interesting.
The
the
railway
was
here
which
came
down
what
was
then
railway
street
or
water
street
and
then
became
canyon,
so
it
was
a.
It
was
a
fairly
somewhat
industrial,
almost
neighborhood,
with
housing
on
on
the
periphery.
AB
So
in
terms
again
of
the
architectural,
historic
and
environmental
significance,
it
is
a
vernacular
house
that
the
house
was
sided
with
aluminum,
siding,
probably
in
the
1960s.
AB
The
original
brick,
which
may
or
may
not
be
covered
with
stucco
is
below,
but
you
can
see
the
relative
thickness
of
those
walls
by
the
depth
of
the
windows,
which
tells
us
that
it
is
a
very
early
building,
probably
no
architect
involved.
We
don't
know
who
the
builder
was
in
terms
of
the
uncommon.
It
is
probably
one
of
the
very
earliest
houses
in
this
area
which,
at
the
time
was
known
as
east
boulder
and
no
indigenous
qualities
were
observed.
AB
So
at
the
top
left
shows
the
samuel
freeze
map
from
1880
81,
and
this
area
had
this
subdivision
had
been
laid
out,
but,
yes,
you
can
see
there
were
no
buildings
there,
because
these
plat
maps
actually
did
show
when
they
constructed
buildings,
and
here
are
the
railway
grounds.
So
it
was
very
close
to
where
the
train
came
in.
The
train
eventually
went,
as
I
said,
before,
turned
and
went
down
water
street.
AB
The
bottom
left,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
pretty
interesting
photograph
and
this
is
a
blow
up
from
a
panoramic
view
from
just
west
of
boulder,
and
you
can
see
whittier
school
here,
which
is
relative
to
the
house,
and
this
green
arrow
shows
shows
the
house
and
again
the
rail
yard,
but
really
just
sort
of
paths
that
were
going
up
to
this
area.
So
it
was
a
very
undeveloped
area
which
gives
us
the
clue
that
the
street
was
really
put
in
after
the
house
was
constructed.
AB
So
it
does
have
environmental
significance
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
it
is
a
really
unusual
circumstance
and
the
location
of
the
house
on
the
property
would,
under
normal
circumstances,
necessitate
either
the
demolition
of
that
building
to
achieve
what
is
required
for
setbacks
or
the
building
being
moved
and
part
of
the
negotiation
was
that
a
long-term
lease
could
be
entered
into,
and
that's
precisely
the
ordinance
that
city
council
passed
on.
I
believe
it
was
january
18th.
AB
So
in
terms
of
environmental
significance
again,
you
can
see
this
map
of
our
designated
and
potential
identified
historic
districts
and
this
gray
area
it
looks
like
it
says,
downtown,
but
that
actually
is
the
potential
identified.
Whittier
district
and
the
arrow
shows
the
relative
location
of
the
house.
AB
So
just
a
little
bit
more
about
that
non-standard
or
non-standard
conditions,
because
there's
more
than
one
not
the
least
of
which
is
this
really
unusual
location
of
the
building
off
the
property
line.
This
black
line
here
being
the
western
property
line.
So
the
building,
as
I
mentioned
before,
in
normal
circumstances,
to
be
improved,
would
need
to
either
be
demolished
and
a
new
building
constructed
in
a
by-right
condition
or
the
building
moved.
AB
Neither
of
those
seemed
to
make
sense
to
the
owners,
nor
did
it
to
the
landmarks
board.
So
the
solution
that
was
reached
was
again
that
there
be
a
long-term
revocable
lease
that
the
property
owners
have
entered
into,
and
I
will
show
you
the
location,
the
relocated
sidewalk,
and
I
believe
this
was
put
in
in
december.
So
you
can
see
here
it
jogs
out
a
little
bit
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
space
in
front
of
the
house.
AB
You
know
historic,
designation
and
making
properties,
especially
challenging
properties
like
this
habitable.
So
I
think
a
good
solution-
and
I
know
the
property
owners
are
here-
leah,
sao
and
roon
jensen
and-
and
I
think
as
well
rob
from
trad
is
here,
so
the
proposed
landmark
name
and
boundary
on
the
screen
again,
the
shin
jet
ski
house
relating
to
early
owners
or
occupants
of
the
house,
and
with
that
I'll
leave
you
with
the
motion
and
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have.
AB
I
don't
believe
the
owner
has
a
presentation,
although
I
believe
that
rob
from
trad
architecture.
The
architect
is
here,
and
he
may
have
a
comment
or
certainly
would
be
available
to
answer
questions.
If
you
have
any.
C
See
not
hearing
any,
it
sounds
like
we
can
go
to
the
public
hearing
and
I
believe
we
have
a
couple
of
people
signed
up
for
that
catherine,
barth
and
lynn
sequel.
We
will
get
three
minutes
each
rob.
I
see
you
popping
up.
Did
you
want
to
offer
a
comment.
AM
I
mean
not
extensively
other
than
that.
This
was
a
challenging
site
to
develop
and
we
did
have
you
know
a
great
working
relationship
with
the
historic
preservation
group
there
in
the
city.
So
yeah
we've
come
a
long
way
and
gone
through
a
lot
of
different
reviews
and
solutions,
and
we're
happy
to
be
here
tonight.
You
know
taking
another
step
to
completing
this
project
for
the
homeowner.
C
AK
Hello,
I
am
delighted
to
see
that
this
has
had
such
a
nice
resolution
and
it's
what
we
really
want
have
happened
as
we
approach
historic
preservation
projects,
and
I
want
to
commend
james
and
the
city
staff
and
they're
working
with
the
owners,
and
I
really
want
to
commend
the
owners
in
being
open
to
creative
solutions.
AK
I
think
it
was
probably
15
years
ago
that
I,
as
an
architect,
was
designing
a
project
on
21st
street,
just
south
of
pearl
street,
and
in
that
case
my
building
was
nine
inches
into
the
alley
and
it
was
six
inches
into
the
front
set
back
and
at
that
time,
when
we
had
maybe
not
such
a
flexible
working
with
owners
and
architects,
we
had
to
panelize
the
building
and
take
it
completely.
Apart.
AK
Take
this
four
walls,
move
them
and
then
rebuild
the
building.
So
this
is
a
far
better
and
far
more
humane
solution
for
the
deer
building
and
I'm
just
thrilled
that
it's
going
to
continue
with
its
life.
And
you
know
if
a
building
is
there
before
there
are
any
streets.
There
should
be
some
consideration
given
given
to
it.
So
I
thank
everybody
and
I
just
think
it's
a
wonderful
building
that
was
saved
and
commend
everyone
in
this
project.
P
Yeah,
I
remember
this
going
through
landmarks
board.
Unfortunately,
since
environmental
advisory
board
is
that
same
night,
I
have
to
miss
environmental
advisory
board.
But
you
know
it's
like
food
or
medicine.
P
It's
kind
of
interesting,
because
I
remember
that
sidewalk
being
jetted
out
from
the
house
further
than
that
as
an
accommodation,
but
they've
done
it.
They
just
did
it
in
december.
P
This
was
before
then
that
I
saw
that
you
know
the
cement
was
right
up
to
the
front
door,
so
yeah
accommodations
are
certainly
appropriate
for
it,
and
what
I
was
surprised
to
not
hear
james
speak
about
tonight
was
the
main
thing
that
I
want
to
keep
this
house
and
that
it
was
originally
for,
and
I
don't
I'm
not
going
to
use
the
terminology-
workforce,
housing,
okay,
workforce
housing,
don't
use
that
term.
P
This
was
for
low
income
folks
to
live
in
this
place.
It's
going
to
be
the
practically
only
place
left
in
boulder
that
people
can.
You
know
that
we
can
look
back
on
and
see
that's
how
people
used
to
live.
You
know
like
in
decent
small
size
houses
like
we
learned
after
this
fire
that
our
footprint's
too
big
and
once
again
do
we
want
to
have
a
fire.
That's
going
to
take
out
this
landmark
laborer
housing.
You
know!
No,
we
don't.
P
We
gotta
stop
coal,
we
gotta
municipalize,
you
know,
we've
gotta
do
some
things
that
that
walk
our
talk
in
boulder,
like
seeing
through
the
eye
of
that
last
building
the
savings
and
loan
that's
for
for
lower
class
people
to
live
here
too,
and
that
that's
everything
every
meeting
that
I
come
to
here.
It's
about
the
homeless,
people,
the
encampments,
the
low-income
housing.
You
know,
and
this
federal
government
is
pushing
as
hard
as
they
can
to
make
it
more
expensive.
P
There
will
be
no
no
more
ownership
in
this
country
at
all
if
the
hedge
funders
have
their
way-
and
this
house
is
one
of
the
last
remnants
that
people
could
actually
have
a
decent
life
in
a
reasonable
small
place,
dang
tootin-
I
want
this
thing,
landmarked
boy,
no,
it's
it's
stunning
that
we've
even
got
a
place
like
this
left
and
I'll.
Tell
you
go
into
the
board
of
assessment
appeals
for
I
finally
won
finally
won
after
30
years
of
trying,
and
it
was
for
the
highest
and
best
use
well.
P
C
Thank
you.
Any
follow-up
from
the
public
hearing.
C
Done
so,
let's,
let's
hear
from
council
matt
you've
got
your
hand
up
then
lauren.
W
W
That'd
be
helpful.
I
have
it
down
here.
I
guess
I
could
pull
it
up
there.
It
is
sweet
all
right,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance,
8497,
designating
the
property
at
2130
22nd
street
city
of
boulder
colorado,
also
known
as
the
shin
jessica's
house,
as
an
individual,
landmark
under
chapter
911,
under
historic
preservation,
brc
1981
and
setting
forth
related
details.
This
seems
pretty
much
like
a
straightforward
slam.
Dunk
so
awesome.
C
AP
B
J
AQ
AA
A
G
C
All
right,
so
I
think
we're
done
with
that
agenda
items.
So
why
don't
we
take
six
minutes
before
the
next
public
hearing?
Sorry,
I
know
you'll
like
heather
better,
but
we
got
still
got
a
fair
amount
to
do
here.
So,
let's
reconvene
it
at
8
50
for
the
the
next
public
hearing.
That's
right!
Folks,.
C
C
C
U
E
Thank
you
norian.
Thank
you
again,
maris,
harold
police
chief
boulder.
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
members
of
council.
I
just
have
an
opening
statement
on
this
agenda
item.
So
thank
you
again
for
allowing
me
and
my
team
to
discuss
this
important
mou
in
partnership
with
the
department
of
justice
specifically
tonight
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
joint
terrorism
task
force
and
this
organization
is
dedicated
to
the
prevention
and
disruption
of
terrorist
activity
locally,
regionally,
nationally
and
internationally.
E
E
Boulder
remains
and
is
no
different
from
any
other
major
american
city
in
that
boulder
has
major
research
institutions,
jewish
and
muslim
places
of
worship,
special
events
attracting
hundreds
of
thousands
of
tourists,
colorado
university
with
its
numerous
events
and
research
institutes,
women's
health,
centers
and
a
vibrant,
lesbian,
gay,
bisexual,
transgender
and
queer
community
government
facilities,
high-profile
landmarks,
water
plant
facilities
and
corporate
centers.
E
A
E
E
Those
threats
are
complex,
requiring
resources
and
technology
that
are
far
more
advanced
than
the
city
of
boulder
currently
possesses.
On
a
personal
note,
after
witnessing
the
aftermath
and
tragedy
of
the
king
supers
event,
I
can
tell
you
firsthand.
Without
the
support
of
the
fbi
and
the
department
of
justice,
the
city
of
boulder
would
have
been
completely
overwhelmed.
E
We
were
given
resources
for
crime,
scene
management,
advancements
in
technology,
fbi's
personnel,
their
investigatory
support.
We
would
have
not
been
able
to
provide
high-level
public
safety
services
to
our
community
and
our
businesses
again,
and
this
cannot
be
understated.
We
would
have
been
overwhelmed
quickly
by
this
mass
casualty
event.
E
E
E
I
can
assure
you
our
task
force
officer
who
has
been
vetted
by
me
personally
and
vetted
by
the
fbi,
will
continue
to
report
to
me
and
follow
all
bpd
policies
and
procedures,
or
he
will
no
longer
participate
in
these
operations,
and
I
look
forward
to
a
discussion
and
concerns,
but
primarily
to
summarize
my
statement.
Public
safety
matters.
E
This
mou
grants
the
city
of
boulder
federal
charges
versus
local
charges
and
prosecutorial
support
that
we
just
do
not
have
at
the
state
level,
and
today
is
a
good
example,
because
momentarily
a
press
release
will
come
out
indicating
that
the
fbi
will
follow
through
on
charges
of
today's
event
and
the
male
suspect.
E
C
Thanks
for
that,
chief
harold,
do
we
have
any
questions
on
this
item
from
council
members.
Z
Finally,
finally
got
the
unmute.
The
document
that
we
have
looked
at
refers
to
the
gen.
The
denver
joint
terrorism
task
force
is
denver
a
participant
in
in
this.
E
I
well
yes,
there.
That's!
Where
their
headquarters
are
located,
the
department
of
justice
and
the
fbi's
headquarters
are
in
denver.
We
would
become
a
part
of
that
joint
terrorism,
task
force
and.
Z
And
are
there
any
other
communities
that
have
executed
mois
with
the
fbi
and
the
department
of
justice.
E
Yeah
I
they're
too
numerous
to
name.
I
don't
know
if
one
of
my
other
deputy
chiefs
could
give
an
exact
number
but
they're
numerous
most
of
the
cities
that
I'm
aware
of
have
an
mou
and
in
fact
our
partnering
agency
cu
is
also
exploring
an
mou
and
it
has
a
an
officer
being
trained
just
like
our.
We
are
right
now
as
well.
So
every
agency
that
I
know
of
has
an
mru
of
this
nature.
Z
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
question,
and
not
only
is
that
a
60-day
requirement
met,
but
I
have
actually
had
conversations
with
the
fbi
and
they
would
give
me
grace
if
I
felt
something
that
was
going
on
inappropriately.
I
could
pull
them
immediately
and
I
would
okay
thank
you
appreciate.
AN
Thank
you
aaron.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
and
I
think
it
might
have
already
been
covered
by
the
question
asked
by
mark
by
virtue
of
my
understanding
of
the
city
of
boulder.
I
think
they
are
a
sanctuary
city
and,
if
you're
participating
in
this
process,
but
my
question
is
what
is
this
impact
of
this
collaborative
project
with
the
fbi?
Does
it
have
any
impact
on
the
fact
I
believe
we
are
also
a
sanctuary
city
for
immigration
purposes,.
E
Thank
you
for
that
question
juni,
and
it
would
have
no
implications
on
our
status
as
a
sanctuary
city.
The
fbi
does
not
concern
itself
with
issues
of
immigration,
and
nor
would
I
allow
any
of
my
officers,
including
the
task
force
officer,
to
get
involved
with
any
immigration
status
whatsoever.
W
Thanks
erin,
and
thanks
chief-
I
I
one
I
just
want
to
you-
know
echo
what
aaron
said
earlier
and
thank
you
for
the
work
and
all
the
partners.
For
today
I
mean
just
for
the
fact
of
how
quickly
that
transformed
and
we
were
able
to
take
care
of
it.
W
I
I
just
really
grateful
for
you
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
it
in
the
manner
you
did,
and
I
think
it
also
speaks
to
the
partnerships
that
have
already
been
existing,
not
just
for
today's
incident,
but
certainly
going
back
to
the
shooting
of
king
supers.
You
know,
and
my
question
really
centers
around
you
know
in
the
in
the
mou.
It
says
to
formally
you
know,
formalize
the
relationship,
so
it
sounds
like
this.
Working
partnership
clearly
has
been
going
on
outside
of
a
formal
mu
and
I'm
trying
to
just
wonder.
E
For
one
thing,
the
officer
receives
the
highest
clearance
rating
that
you
can
possibly
have
as
a
municipal
officer
and
so
his
access
in
real
time
to
our
own.
They
will
set
him
up
with
technology
here
within
the
boulder
police
department
and
he
will
have
real-time
access
to
every
federal
database
that
the
fbi
has.
So
it's
a
huge
difference
in
timeliness
and,
of
course,
all
of
the
training
that
goes
along
with
this,
and
so
in
my
mind
as
the
chief
as
today
because
of
our
relationship.
E
I
had
these
resources
at
my
fingertips,
but
this
this
mou
would
solidify
his
high
clearance
rating
and
that
that
is
a
major
achievement
in
and
of
itself.
Matt
is
to
receive
one
of
these
high
level
clearance
ratings.
I
myself
have
a
clearance
rating
and
there's
one
other
person
in
our
police
department
that
has
a
lower
level
clearance
rating.
But
if
you
really
consider
the
time
and
effort
that
has
gone
into
this
young
man
clearing
all
of
these
hurdles,
it
really
is
remarkable
and
we're
lucky
that
he
has
this
clearance.
E
He
has
access
to
understand,
homegrown
terrorist
threats
against
people
that
are
coming
in
to
live
in
our
community
that
are
supplanted
from
other
countries
that
are
experienced
terrorism
threats.
So
this
is
much
greater
than
what
we
had
before
and
you
know
I.
I
just
feel
that
the
work
that
we've
done
since
I've
been
here
now
is
just
solidified
in
this
agreement
and
we
have
real-time
access.
I
can
walk
down
the
hall
if
I
receive
a
phone
call
like
I
do
so
many
times
on
so
many
issues
in
boulder.
E
I
can
walk
down
the
hall
and
say:
is
this
a
credible
threat
and
not
hours
and
not
days
but
minutes
and
that
counts
and
it
count
it
today?
It
will
continue
to
count,
and
so
thank
you
for
your
question
and
that's
just
the
honest
answer.
Matt.
Thank
you.
Y
Thank
you,
aaron
and
thank
you
maris
again,
both
for
your
work
today
and
and
your
work
in
our
community.
Some
of
the
questions
I
have
relate
to
the
events
you
talked
about
so
in
the
king
supers
event.
You
mentioned
that
you
know
there
were
a
number
of
things
that
the
fbi
provided,
and
I
guess
I
was
just
wondering
what
of
those
services
would
have
been
withheld
if
we
were
not
under
this
mou
agreement.
E
What
would
be
with
withheld
is
prioritization
across
the
state
and
most
certainly
our
relationship
that
we
built
through
this
informal
relationship,
garnish
garnered
us
resources
that
I've
never
seen
before,
and
so
I
I
come
from
a
much
larger
city
and
we've
had
tragedies
not
like
the
king
supers,
but
you
know
many
more
injured
people
and
fatalities.
E
I
have
never
seen
such
an
outpouring
of
support
by
our
federal
partners,
and
that
is
only
because
we've
worked
so
hard
and
we
were
working
towards
this
mou
agreement,
and
this
is
the
big
difference,
and
this
is
what
is
hard
to
quantify.
E
But
if
we
hadn't
been
working
towards
this
mou
to
get
this
detective,
the
highest
clearance
rating,
I
do
believe
that
we
would
not
have
seen
the
outpouring
of
support
for
our
community
and
it
continues
right
now
and
other
communities.
Unfortunately,
just
don't
have
this
robust
partnership
that
we
do
in
boulder,
and
I
can
tell
you
in
cincinnati.
We
did
not
have
a
robust
partnership
with
the
feds
and
it
really
harmed
us
the
the
just
the
advancements
in
technology
that
the
department
of
justice
brings.
E
It
is
just
not
comparable
and
for
a
mid-sized
city
to
have
this
kind
of
partnership
in
them
to
want
to
partner
with
the
city
of
boulder
just
speaks
volumes
to
our
relationship
and
the
relationship
of
the
district
attorney
as
well.
I
mean
this
all
goes
hand
in
hand
on
good
things
that
we're
doing
in
boulder,
and
so
I
don't.
I
do
not
think
we
would
have
had
a
robust
response,
and
I
know
we
wouldn't
have.
I
know
we
wouldn't
have
okay.
Y
You
also
mentioned
that
you
know
with
the
event
today
that
the
fbi
will
be
following
up
with
the
prosecution,
but
I
it
would
that
be
different.
If
we
didn't
have
the
mlu
in
place,
I
mean
it
seems
like
the
nature
of
what's
being
investigated,
is
what's
requiring
the
fbi,
prosecution.
E
Let
me
just
say:
let
me
say
this:
the
fbi
is
always
going
to
be
supportive
of
local
and
state
agencies.
The
difference
here
is
is
that
we
have
a
partnership
with
the
fbi
and
again
today.
The
resources
that
were
given
to
us
because
of
this
partnership
is
much
greater
than
what
we
possess,
or
the
county
or
the
state,
and
so
quickly
we
were
able
to
garner
where
the
sky
was
through
technology.
E
We
were
able
to
garner
additional
resources,
including
drone
technology
and
and
issues
that
I
can't
talk
about
now,
but
I
can
just
tell
you
that
the
resources
that
were
provided
to
us
is
in
large
part
because
of
our
continued
partnership,
and
the
mou
will
just
solidify
this
partnership.
E
This
mou
is
no
different
from
any
other
mou
that
we
enter
with
any
other
agency
across
the
state,
including
cbi
or
the
county,
or
any
of
the
other
agreements
that
we
have,
and
it
just
makes
life
so
much
easier
for
a
local
police
department
of
our
size.
We
are
not
a
large
municipality
where
there
that
we
have.
We
could
have
resources
to
devote
to
this
full-time.
E
We
just
don't
have
it.
I
don't
have
a
real-time
crime
center
so
to
have
this
partnership.
Just
such
a
critical
assessment
tool
for
our
community
to
have
thank.
Y
A
Y
So
mentioned
clearance
ratings
and
that
this
would
allow
you
know
a
member
of
our
police
force
to
have
the
highest
clearance
rating
available.
Would
that
be
higher
than
the
clearance
rating
that
you
have?
E
For
example,
king
supers
is
a
prime
example
where
I
couldn't
know
the
whole
background
of
the
terrorist
threat,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
I
understood
the
investigation
as
the
police
chief
and
they
were.
They
gave
me
information
that
I
understood
exactly
what
was
going
on
and
in
this
case
the
detective
that
has
a
higher
clearance
rating
to
me
still
reports
to
me,
and
that
is
clear
through
his
commander
and
the
fbi
as
well.
So
there
there
is
no
issue
of
him,
not
communicating
clearly
about
what's
going
on.
E
E
C
I
see
carrie
weinhard
has
popped
up.
Carrie
did
you
want
to
add
anything.
AS
Yes,
thank
you,
deputy
chief
carrie
warren.
I
just
want
to
add
a
couple
things
the
chief
hit
on
it,
but
to
lauren's
question
the
key
about
having
this
mou
is
the
access
to
almost
almost
real-time
intelligence,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
some
people
who
who
may
not
have
been
around
on
council
over
the
last
couple
years.
In
2019,
we
had
a
guy
in
boulder
named
wesley
gilray.
AS
AS
This
started
as
an
investigation
into
child
pornography.
He
had
over
12
000
images
and
200
videos
on
his
phone
and
we
launched
the
joint
investigation
with
the
fbi
that
later
revealed
that
he
had
written
a
hunting
guide
and
he
expressed
his
desire
to
kill
jews,
muslims
and
refugees.
He
attempted
to
buy
a
firearm.
AS
I
was
a
deputy
chief
of
operations
during
that
and
actually
was
the
interim
chief
towards
the
latter
into
that
investigation,
and
while
that
worked
really
well,
because
we
have
established
a
great
relationship
with
our
local
fbi
office,
it
would
have
gone
much
smoother.
Had
we
had
a
task
force
officer
under
a
jttf
agreement
because
we
would
have
had
direct
and
real-time
access
to
the
intelligence
instead
of
having
to
filter
some
of
it
through
different
different
methods.
AS
So
it's
really
about
having
quick
access,
and
I
just
want
to
stress
that
I
think
this
agreement
is
essential
for
us
to
carry
out
our
fundamental
role
in
responsibility,
which
is
protecting
our
community
and
we
live
in
an
environment
with
overseeing
a
large
increase
in
violent
domestic
extremism,
as
well
as
domestic
terrorism,
on
top
of
cyber
threats
and
everything
else
coming
at
us.
So
things
have
changed
dramatically
over
the
last
decade
and
our
relationship
with
the
fbi
has
improved.
AS
AS
They've
acquiesced
to
allow
us
to
have
a
part-time
position,
but
still
have
all
the
clearances
because
they
realize
that
departments
are
stressed
and
stretched
for
resources
too.
Just
like
they
are.
So
it's
really
about
having
us
a
better,
more
symbiotic
relationship,
and
I
can't
stress
enough
how
important
this
agreement
is.
Thank
you.
AC
I
just
had
a
question
about
kind
of
the
mou
as
it
stands
right
now
like
do
we
have
to
accept
it,
just
as
it
is,
is
it
like
most
organizations?
You
know
I've
been
a
part
of
when
there
are
contracts
or
mouse
there's
a
little
back
and
forth
until
you
know
getting
it
right,
and
so
that's
sort
of
one
of
one
of
my
questions.
I
do
have
like
some
specific
things
that
you
know.
AC
I
have
in
mind
around
that
that
may
be
better
saved
for
after
open
comment,
because
thank
you
to
everybody
who's
hanging
in
there
for
open
comment.
Tonight,
really
appreciate
you
all,
but
my
question
is
just
around:
can
we
can
we
change
can
can
we
can
we
offer
modifications
to
the
mou.
E
Yeah
and
I'll
let
my
legal
advisor
speak
to
this
but
doctor
I
I
do
believe
that
it
depends
on
what
we
wanted
to
change
and
I
think
that
there's
a
couple
areas
that
we
could
tighten
up
but
jen,
do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that
thanks.
AT
Chief
regarding
your
question,
this
is
a
boilerplate
mou,
so
it's
a
standard
mou.
That's
offered
to
all
participating
agencies
believe
there's
over
200
participating
agencies
with
jtts.
AT
AC
E
C
K
Yeah
just
a
couple
quick
questions
before
open
comment:
are
public
hearing
received
some
feedback
from
members
of
the
public
about
concerns,
as
you
got
out
a
little
bit
chief,
harold
about
transparency
and
accountability
when
you
loan
officers
and
lack
of
wearing
body
cameras,
so
I'm
wondering
that
I
think
that
the
article
that
many
people
are
referencing
is
from
2019.
So
a
couple
questions
there
were
some
police
departments
named
in
in
a
marshall
project
article
I
think
it
is
that
had
had
left
their
relationship
or
the
jtts.
K
They
had
abandoned
theirs
with
the
fbi
over
this
transparency
and
accountability
issue,
and
someone
asked
you
earlier,
you
know:
do
other
jurisdictions
participate.
I'm
wondering
do
you
know
if
there
are
some
that
don't
participate
or
did
they
rejoin
or
are
there
still
some
cities
that
have
those
concerns
and
concerns
and
are
not
participating
right
now
you
happen
to
know
that.
E
That's
a
great
question.
I
don't
know
specifically
the
the
example
that
you
have
rachel.
I
can
tell
you
that
probably
several
agencies
move
in
and
out
of
these
agreements
for
various
reasons,
and
I'm
I'm
sure
that
across
the
country
there's
been
issues,
I
can
just
tell
you
that
the
issues
that
concern
me
will
be
addressed.
Like
body
worn
cameras,
I
want
everybody
to
know,
including
the
community
that
they
will
fall
under
boulder,
pd's
policies
and
procedures.
E
E
Point,
I
think,
yeah
that's
a
great
question,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
So
we
have
a
good
understanding
of
this.
The
fbi
is
moving
toward
a
body-worn
camera.
I
don't
have
a
timeline,
but
I
have
confirmed
that
and
I
think
our
legal
advisor
could
give
you
the
the
the
concrete
answer
there,
but
undercover
operations
still
state
of
colorado.
We
do
not
have
to
wear
body,
worn
cameras
during
sensitive
undercover
operations
and
that
would
hold
true
with
the
fbi
as
well.
E
AT
The
dod
launched
their
body
worn
camera
program
on
september
1st
of
2021,
and
it
includes
federal
agencies
as
the
fbi
aatfda
and
the
marshals
and
they're
phasing
in
the
use
of
body-worn
cameras.
I
think
it's
important
to
emphasize,
though,
that
the
task
force
officer
from
boulder
police
department
is
has
to
adhere
to
the
boulder
police
department,
policies
and
procedures.
So
if
it
differs
or
conflicts
with
the
fbi,
when
they're
operating
as
a
task
force
officer,
they
still
adhere
to
what
the
state
requirements
is
and
that's
what
boulder
follows.
K
One
more
question:
chief
harold:
you
mentioned
that
the
fbi
brings
resources,
but
you
mentioned
drones.
I
think-
and
I'm
that
was
intriguing
to
me
like,
because
I
don't
love
to
spend
more
than
we
need
to
in
our
own
budget
on
on
policing
equipment.
What
is
it
that
we
get
to
share
through
this
mou
in
terms
of
resources.
E
E
If
you-
and
I
know
rachel,
you
followed
the
king
supers
mass
casualty
event
closely.
E
If
you
want
to
see
the
weight
of
the
federal
government
come
in
and
really
impact
a
community
of
our
size
in
quick
order,
I
can
tell
you
that
just
to
do
conduct
that
crime
scene
correctly
would
have
taken
me
six
weeks
with
our
resources
and
the
federal
government
because
of
the
technology,
advancements
on
crime,
scene,
photography
and
all
sorts
of
technology
that
they
brought
really
brought
that
crime
scene
down
to
about
four
to
five
days,
and
it
was
such
a
complex
scene
that
you
know
we're
talking
days
versus
our
team
taking
weeks,
and
so
it
just
can't
be
overstated
that
their
technology
capacity
and
their
personnel-
you
know
they.
E
They
brought
in
literally
probably
50
to
80
people
to
help
us
with
the
crime
scene
those
days,
and
they
stayed
with
me
for
three
weeks
after
that
incident,
and
it's
it's
remarkable
that
the
just
the
amount
of
resources
they
can
bring
to
a
community
like
boulder.
C
K
Okay,
thanks,
that's
helpful
and
then
just
one
one
last
question
back
to
two
points
ago.
I
think
that
it
is
comforting
to
know
that
that
our
own
internal
policies
will
be
followed
in
terms
of
wearing
the
the
body
cameras,
but
I
don't
remember
seeing
that
in
the
mou.
So
I
just
wonder
like
is
that
an
amendment
that
we're
gonna,
see
or
like
I'd
rather
see
it
in
writing
than
than
not.
E
Yeah
we
can
most
certainly
explore
that.
I
just
you
know
I
we
can.
We
can
discuss
that,
but
I
can
just
tell
you
that
the
officer
will
follow
our
policies
and
procedures,
because
that
that
is
what
I
expect
and
I
understand
your
concerns
rachel.
K
Well
and
again,
you
know
per
this
article,
and
I
hate
to
you
know,
rely
on
on
just
one
article,
but
the
fbi
prohibited
department
policies
from
being
followed,
and
so
that's,
if
we
have
a
way
to
say
department
policy
must
be
followed.
Then
that's
different
than
what
the
concerns
were,
that
the
fbi,
basically
in
this
situation,
would
would
stop
that
from
happening.
So
if
that's
an
amendment
that
can
be
made
that
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
and-
and
I
know
I've
I'm
out
of
questions
and
into
advocacy,
so
I'm
gonna
stop.
AD
Just
really
quick,
based
upon
a
conversation
we
had
today
with
with
fbi
supervision
just
clearly
if
we
need
to
add
something
we'll
work
on
that,
but
I
we
spoke
to
them
this
afternoon
and
they
reassured
us
and
they
said
that
we
will
never
ask
your
task
force
officer
whomever
that
is
to
deviate
from
any
boulder
police
department
policy.
Basically,
they
said
if
he
is
working
for
us.
AD
AD
Our
detective
will
still
get
all
of
the
training
that
every
other
boulder
police
officer
gets,
including
legal
updates,
in-service
training,
all
of
those
things,
but
I'm
confident
with
the
the
communication
we
had
today
that
they're
not
going
to
impose
anything
on
our
detective
that
doesn't
comply
with
our
policies.
If
that
helps
a
little
bit.
K
I
appreciate
that
and
again
you
know,
I
think,
like
half
of
us
roughly
are
attorneys,
so
we
we
will
say,
like
you,
gotta,
have
it
in
the
contract.
That's
what
that's
what's
gonna
be
enforceable.
So
I
think
that
that's
helpful
thanks.
C
Great
I'll
appreciate
all
those
questions
and
answers,
I'm
not
seeing
any
more.
So
why
don't
we
go
to
the
public
hearing
and
I
think
brenda
will
do
a
quick
refresher
on
our
engagement
guidelines
before
we
do
that.
C
We
have
sort
of
20
people
signed
up,
which
means
everybody
gets
two
minutes
to
speak
and
the
first
three
people
coming
up
are
darren:
o'connor,
liz,
marasco
and
mary
foltinsky.
D
D
D
That
vision
is
designed
to
protect
and
promote
democracy
for
everyone,
as
well
as
physical
and
psychological
safety,
for
community
members,
for
staff,
for
invited
speakers
and
for
council
members,
and
when
I
get
them
pulled
up.
I
will
have
just
a
few
examples
for
you
of
what
those
rules
and
guidelines
are.
A
D
C
D
My
apologies
for
the
delay.
Our
rules
that
we
will
uphold
during
this
evening's
meeting
tonight
are
all
remarks
and
testimonies
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
this
item
on
the
agenda.
D
C
Here
so,
as
mentioned
before,
we've
got
darren,
o'connor,
who's,
marasco
and
mary
valtinsky.
Two
minutes.
Each.
AV
AV
The
aclu
in
the
last
couple
of
years
filed
a
lawsuit
seeking
foia
documents
and
stated
in
support
of
doing
so,
an
unsupported
claim
of
the
existence
of
black
identity,
extremists
likely
motivated
to
target
law
enforcement
officers
and
labeled
the
group
a
new
domestic
terror
threat.
This
was,
in
short,
complete
bs
in
the
early
2000s.
The
aclu
reported
that
the
fbi's
joint
terrorism
task
force
in
denver
was
targeting
peaceful
political
activists
for
harassment
and
building
files
on
constitutionally
protected
activities
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
terrorism
or
other
criminal
activities.
AV
Without
this
mou,
the
fbi
will
still
conduct
anti-terrorism
activities
and
we
will
be
just
as
safe
and
likely
safer
if
you
vote
against
it.
What
we
need
to
know
is
that
our
local
law
enforcement
is
overseen
by
our
local
government.
The
history.
Even
recent
history
informs
us
that
there
is
good
reason
not
to
pay
for
the
fbi
to
use
our
police
against
our
own
community
members,
not
in
the
60s,
not
in
the
2000s,
and
certainly
not
in
2022
this
black
history
month.
AV
AA
AA
If
and
when
they
engage
in
misconduct,
which
they
have
proven
to
do
with
the
legal
surveillance
of
peaceful
protests
in
denver
and
other
cities
in
the
country.
Even
a
very
charitable
interpretation
they
could
maybe
get.
They
could
possibly
be
prosecuted
by
local
officials,
but
probably
not
what's
more
likely
is
that
in
the
event
of
misconduct,
an
assistant,
u.s
attorney
would
do
the
prosecution
and
the
as
the
ausa
position
is
not
elected
by
the
people.
They're
appointed
the
people
of
colorado
decided
in
2020.
AA
AA
The
people
also
decided
they
wanted
more
accountability.
When
attorney
general
general
phil
weiser
conducted
an
investigation
of
the
aurora
police
department,
we
completely
lose
that
right
in
this
circumstance,
I
don't
doubt
the
legality
of
this
program,
but
I
question
the
federalism:
the
constitutional
rights
of
it,
the
constitution
gives
states
the
police
powers
for
a
reason
and
we
deserve
to
keep
those
states
rights.
AP
AP
AP
AP
Many
of
you
know
I
work
with
young
people
in
boulder
county.
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
draw
your
attention
to
a
report
on
youth
input
to
the
reimagining,
policing,
effort
growing
up
boulder
and
my
emotion
healing
were
contracted
by
the
city
and
met
with
over
100
children,
youth
and
young
adults.
AP
Their
report
is
available
at
growingupholder.org.
Young
people
in
boulder
are
already
concerned
about
the
interplay
between
policing,
race
and
systems
of
oppression.
Specifically,
concern
was
expressed
about
police
collaboration
with
other
institutions
of
oppression.
They
request
more
accountability.
AP
AQ
Yes,
we
can
cool
hello
council
with
today,
being
the
first
day
of
black
history
month,
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone
that
the
very
same
federal
bureau
of
investigation
that
you
are
considering
partnering
with
tonight
tried
to
kill
the
dr
martin
luther
martin
luther
king
jr.
AQ
While
he
was
locked
up
in
birmingham
while
they
weren't
successful
while
they
were
unsuccessful
in
killing
dr
king
for
the
national
security
threat,
they
said
he
posed,
they
were
successful
in
killing
fred
hampton
the
leader
of
the
black
panther
party,
the
fbi
has
assassination
attempts
of
civil
rights
and
black
liberation
leaders
were
not
an
anomaly.
They
existed
as
part
of
a
concerted
effort
to
repress
and
criminalize
participants
of
these
movements
that
continues
to
stay.
AQ
Let
us
not
forget
that
this
is
the
same
fbi
that
surveilled
damn
near
every
mosque
in
the
country
and
entraps
countless
muslims
in
the
islamophobic
crusade
following
9
11..
This
is
the
same
fbi
that
was
warned
about
lyndon
mclaude
the
white
supremacist
mass
shooter,
who
killed
five
people
in
denver
recently
and
did
nothing
about
it.
AQ
This
is
the
same
fbi
that
created
a
new
category
of
terrorism,
called
black
identity
extremism
in
the
wake
of
the
ferguson
uprisings
against
racist
police,
violence
and
the
black
lives
matter
movement.
This
terrorist
designation
is
still
being
used
to
this
day
to
repress
and
punish
participants
of
the
george
floyd
uprisings
last
year.
This
partnership
will
result
in
nothing
but
harm
to
our
already
small
and
politically
repressed
non-white
communities,
law
enforcement
will
say
they
simply
want
to
combat
terrorism
and
keep
people
safe,
but
remember
all
of
the
unthinkable
racist
violence.
AQ
C
AJ
All
right
can
y'all
hear
me
yes,
hi.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I'm
perez,
I'm
a
computer
engineer
working
for
cu
boulder
and
a
member
of
united
campus
workers
of
colorado,
though
I'm
not
speaking
on
either
of
their
behalf.
This
potential
agreement
troubles
me.
I'm
really
sorry
to
say
that
nothing
bpd
has
said
really
comforts
me
at
all.
I
don't
see
any
benefits
to
deputizing
local
police
as
federal
law
enforcement
and
the
history
of
the
joint
terrorism
task
force
isn't
encouraging.
AJ
AJ
The
jttf
throws
out
reasonable
suspicion
standards
in
favor
of
suspicion-free
assessments
that
target
primarily
people
of
color
in
colorado,
springs
in
2005,
the
jttpf
stored
the
license
plate
numbers
of
peaceful
protesters
of
a
local
forestry
company.
The
names
of
americans
who
were
never
accused
or
even
suspected
of
even
minor
crimes,
are
now
in
fbi,
databases
solely
because
they
exercised
their
constitutionally
protected
right
to
peacefully
express
their
opinions
at
a
public
protest
in
denver.
AJ
During
the
blm
protest
in
2020,
the
jttf
was
activated
against
quote-unquote
antifa,
which
is
another
broad
term
that
describes
no
group
or
specific
threats.
Thousands
of
names
license
plates
faces
are
all
likely
in
fbi
databases
despite
not
even
being
suspected
of
a
crime.
The
jtdf
has
a
long
history
of
surveilling
peaceful
protests
in
colorado,
and
I
don't
trust
them
to
stop.
AJ
Second,
there's:
no
accountability
in
this
arrangement.
It
is
a
pinky
promise
to
follow
local
arrangements.
Local
regulations,
but
federal
courts
have
repeatedly
held
that
officers
under
the
program
are
acting
as
federal
officers,
meaning
local
regulations
can
be
discarded
in
favor
of
federal
standards.
I
recommend
reading
the
burden,
centers
national
security
and
local
police
paper,
specifically
the
law.
The
section
on
joint
terrorism
task
force
overflight
for
more
details.
There
is
no
law
for
mechanism
to
hold
these
officers
accountable
to
local
and
state
regulation.
AJ
AW
Hello,
my
name:
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
hello?
My
name
is
claire
o'brien
and
I
work
and
live
in
boulder.
I'm
here
today
in
strong
opposition
of
the
boulder
police
department
having
a
formal
agreement
with
the
fbi's
joint
terrorism
task
force.
This
task
force
has
a
long
history
of
targeting
peaceful
and
non-violent
activists
and
causes
and
calling
it
terrorism.
The
jttf
will
not
make
our
communities
safer,
but
instead
operate
without
proper
oversight,
meaning
the
boulder
police
department
officers,
who
have
already
proven
to
have
a
track
record
of
racial
profiling
and
excesses.
AW
Excessive
use
of
force
will
be
able
to
work
for
the
fbi
without
the
public
or
department
supervision
or
management.
There
is
currently
no
clear
mechanism
in
place
for
ensuring
the
officers
will
be
able
to
comply
with
both
state
and
city
laws,
bpd
policy
policies,
as
well
as
federal
laws
and
policies.
AW
The
jttf
is
also
a
thinly
veiled
excuse
to
perpetuate
racial
stereotypes
and
target
activists
in
2017.
The
fbi
circulated
a
memo
to
its
networks,
including
local
police
officers,
involved
in
jttf.
That
warned
warned
of
quote
black
identity
extremists
who
respond
to
perceptions
of
police
brutality
to
welcome.
In
an
organization
that
so
clearly
targets
the
black
lives
matter,
movement
is
disre
is
disgraceful,
especially
when
there
have
been
reports
released
where
the
jttf
have
called
the
white
have
called
the
kkk
and
white
supremacist
victims.
AW
It
is
important
to
note
that
not
joining
jttf
would
not
prevent
the
fbi
from
investigating
legitimate
terrorism.
Threats
in
boulder,
as
the
fbi
and
bpd
already
have
a
positive
working
relationship
and
being
a
member
of
jttf
would
only
provide
an
illusion
of
knowledge
which
the
police
chief
already
alluded
to
in
a
two-year
period,
from
2009
to
2011.
Only
.04
of
the
cases
or
assessments
opened
by
the
fbi
led
to
an
active
investigation.
AW
Those
numbers
only
further
prove
that
bringing
this
task
force
into
our
community
would
be
nothing
but
a
waste
of
tax
dollars
and
a
danger
to
non-violent
activism.
There
are
much
more
pressing
issues
facing
the
boulder
community
and
I
encourage
the
council
to
reject
this
partnership
and
protect
the
first
amendment
rights
of
their
constituents.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
claire.
We
have
jack
smith,
miley
and
villard
and
emily
cohen
and
brenda
is
jack
in
the
meeting
now.
X
Hi,
my
name
is.
X
AW
R
So
my
name
is
austin
bennett,
I'm
a
I'm.
A
plumber
here
in
boulder,
like
others,
have
have
said
tonight,
like
others,
have
said
much
more
eloquently
tonight.
I
oppose
this
joint
task
force
with
fbi.
Absolutely
you
know.
This
is
the
same
organization
that
tried
to
harass
the
reverend
king
into
committing
suicide.
R
They
spent
the
90s
trying
to
charge
crunchy
granola
eating
hippies
changing
themselves
to
trees
as
terrorists.
Certainly,
since
the
war
on
terror
has
ever
since
war
on
terror
has
been
going
on,
the
fbi
has
been
entrapping
muslim
men.
Teenagers
into
you
know
even
saying
that
they
would
commit
violence
in
order
to
lock
them
up.
R
I
think
that
this
task
force
would
essentially
be
inviting
a
wolf
into
the
hen
house
and
bringing
what
is
an
organization
that
should
be
dismantled
and
reimagined
straight
into
the
heart
of
boulder,
with
no
clear
benefit
to
our
city
safety.
All
that
we'd
be
doing
is
bringing
you
know.
This
almighty
all-powerful,
completely
unaccountable
organization,
much
much
closer
onto
our
streets
without
doing
a
single
thing
to
protect
our
citizens
and
residents
and
residents.
AR
Thank
you
good
evening.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
My
name
is
hanalor
girling
dunsmore
and
I'm
a
graduate
researcher
at
cu
boulder,
as
well
as
the
president
of
united
campus
workers.
Colorado
though
I'm
seeking
on
behalf
of
myself
as
an
individual.
Frankly,
the
mou
raises
myriad
concerns
for
me,
but
the
one
I
want
to
discuss
with
my
time
tonight
is
the
ramifications
for
freedom
of
speech
in
the
us.
We
have
the
constitutionally
protected
right
to
peacefully
assemble
and
peacefully
protest.
AR
While
the
mou
doesn't
formally
take
away
that
right,
it
does
punish
individuals
for
exercising
that
constitutional
right
and,
what's
more,
it
does
so
with
zero
transparency
or
accountability
functionally.
That
turns
our
constitutionally
protected
right
to
freedom
of
speech
into
a
privilege
for
those
who
don't
belong
to
demographics
historically
and
presently,
subjected
to
state
repression,
so
that
is
to
say,
affluent
white
heterosexual,
cisgender,
abled
and
male.
Everyone
else
is
putting
themselves
at
substantial
risk
to
exercise
what
is
supposed
to
be
a
right
for
everyone
in
the
u.s
in
colorado.
AR
This
has
been
confirmed
to
be
used
to
target
peaceful
environmental
pro
activists
in
colorado,
springs
and
anti-racist
activists.
In
denver,
the
process
of
selecting
who
gets
targeted
is
not
transparently
stated
and
there
seems
to
be
little
to
no
consequences
for
abusing
this
power.
I
will
say
it's
hard
to
ignore
the
fact
that
this
has
historically
been
predominantly
used
against
activists
for
progressive
causes,
while
the
heavily
armed,
far-right
palmerita
groups
in
colorado
seem
to
get
to
organize
with
impunity.
If
we
already
have
most
of
these
resources,
why
has
far-right
terrorism
still
happen
in
boulder?
AR
Why
are
explicitly
violent?
Far-Right
groups
still
allowed
to
organize
in
the
name
of
freedom
of
speech,
and
are
we
supposed
to
believe
that
the
mou
and
boulder
police
department
involvement
will
prevent
anything?
It
seems
all
it
will
do
is
escalate
the
program
that
surveilled
peaceful
critics
of
the
forestry
practices
and
activists
calling
for
very
basic
oversight
when
police
use
lethal
force
against
unarmed
individuals.
AR
I
understand
the
motivations
of
this
mou
and
I
believe
most
people
who
support
it
are
acting
in
good
faith,
but
they
don't
say
good
intentions
pave
the
road
to
heaven
and
frankly,
this
mou
seems
to
be
to
act
selectively,
criminalize
freedom
of
speech
at
the
discretion
of
local
law
enforcement.
This
mlu
makes
me
ask.
AU
However,
it
does
not
seem
necessary
to
have
an
mou,
as
has
been
repeatedly
stated.
We
have
to
take
the
chief's
word
that
the
the
police
officer
would
follow
state
and
local
guidelines
whenever
all
research
shows
that
that
is
not
the
case
that
they
that
accountability,
trust,
accountability
and
transparency
are
words
that
have
come
up
repeatedly.
AU
Tonight
too,
we
are
working
on
that
diligently
with
the
boulder
police
department
and
it
is
hard
enough
and
there
has
been
a
long
struggle
to
get
accountability,
transparency
and
trust
with
our
with
police
departments
and
the
black
community
and
people
of
color,
and
to
ask
now
that
we
have
to
you
know,
trust
that
the
fbi
can
come
in
and
has
a
history.
It
is
black
history
month.
I
urge
you
to
look
at
the
history
of
the
fbi,
particularly
with
black
activism.
AU
C
C
AY
Hi,
my
name
is
michael
parrish.
I
live
here
in
boulder
and
I'm
speaking
to
you
tonight
to
urge
you
to
reject
this
mou
just
kind
of
against
it
on
principle,
as
many
folks
have
stated,
the
fbi
has
a
law
and
violent
history
against
activist
groups,
non-violent
groups
and
others,
especially.
AY
We
can
look
to
the
history
in
boulder
with
losses
to
boulder
as
another
example,
but
then,
specifically,
looking
at
this
agreement,
as
the
chief
said,
we
a
lot
of
things
of
good
things,
have
happened
and
good
things
have
been
done
without
this
mou,
and
I
don't
feel
the
need
that
we
need
to
spend
our
money
on
it
to
do
more
with
it.
AY
It
seems
to
be
working
just
fine
as
it
is,
and
the
chiefs
words
of
encouragement
in
terms
of
transparency
and
accountability
are
very
encouraging,
but
reading
through
the
mou
that
was
at
least
in
the
council
packet.
I
don't
see
any
of
that
anywhere,
and
that
is
an
important
part
of
this.
I
don't
see
any
aspect
of
how
cam
council
will
get
to
know.
What's
going
going
on,
or
have
any
say,
with
the
participating
officers
or
officer.
AY
It's
certainly
not
consistent
with
the
city's
emphasis
on
alternatives
to
policing
financially.
The
city
will
be
on
the
hook
in
most
cases.
For
this
officer,
perhaps
some
cases
of
overtime
the
fbi
would
pay,
but
that's
a
separate
agreement
and
sending
boulder
police
officers
into
this
position
when
there's
so
much
shouting
about
a
shortage
of
police
officers
seems
silly,
but
mainly
because
the
fbi
and
these
joint
terrorism
task
forces
have
such
a
damaging
history
to
freedom
of
speech
into
activist
groups
within
the
united
states
and
freedom
of
speech
repression.
C
Thank
you,
michael
bernie.
Do
we
have
michael
denslow
in
the
meeting.
AZ
Hey
all
thanks
for
giving
me
some
time
tonight.
My
name
is
sam
becker
and
I'm
a
resident
of
boulder
colorado
in
the
wake
of
widespread
uprisings
over
police
brutality
in
the
murder
of
unarmed
black
americans
in
2020,
boulder
police
department
tightened
its
policies
around
use
of
deadly
and
non-lethal
lethal
forth
force.
AZ
A
vast
amount
of
policing
data
and
used
body
cameras
under
the
joint
task
force,
mou
language
being
considered
tonight
and
anecdotes
from
civil
rights
leaders
in
other
cities
with
such
task
forces
activities
carried
out
under
this
task
force
would
be
effectively
exempt
from
these
state
and
local
police
reforms,
because
officers
are
who
are
acting
as
part
of
a
federal
task
force
act
under
the
color
of
federal
law,
not
state
and
local
law.
As
a
result,
task
force
officers
can't
be
held
accountable
to
coloradans
if
they
violate
state
and
local
rules
and
procedures.
AZ
Furthermore,
under
existing
department
of
justice
rules
task
force,
officers
won't
be
required
to
use
body
cameras
and
they
won't
be
subjected
to
oversight
from
boulder's
independent
police
monitor
as
chief
harris
as
chief
maris,
harold
mentioned.
This
task
force
will
enhance
bpd's
efforts
to
surveil
immigrant
communities
and
she's
right.
Poor
communities
of
colors
and
cities
with
such
task
forces
have
frequently
found
themselves
at
the
center
of
damaging
and
traumatic
task
force,
investigations
which
federally
and
which,
which
federal
and
federally
deputized
local
officers,
can
do
without
reasonable
suspicion,
unlike
local
police
departments.
BA
Hi,
my
name
is
jake
brady
and
I
live
in
boulder,
I'm
here
to
speak
on
the
potential
jttf
agreement
with
the
fbi.
Since
their
inception,
jttfs
have
been
rife
with
controversy.
Portland
has
twice
twice
withdrawn
from
their
agreement.
Most
recently
in
2018
san
francisco
withdrew
from
their
agreement
in
2017
and
in
2019.
An
fbi
white
paper
revealed
that
sfpd
and
the
fbi
repeatedly
lied
about
violations.
BA
Oakland
withdrew
from
their
agreement
in
2020.
The
aclu
has
obtained
documents
showing
that
jttf
investigations
have
disproportionately
focused
on
peaceful
organizations
in
the
past,
including
right
here
in
colorado
in
2020,
the
intercept
determined
that
a
jttf
had
intimidated
young
blm
activists
in
tennessee.
BA
Recently
portland
city
council
directed
its
human
rights
commission
to
conduct
a
thorough
analysis
of
the
city's
jttf
agreement.
Their
their
findings
highlighted
the
following
problems:
one
federal
agents
are
not
bound
by
state
law.
Two
office
of
the
inspector
general
reports
have
consistently
found
extensive
human
and
civil
rights
violations
in
domestic
fbi
operations.
Three,
the
city's
jttf
agreement
lacked
necessary
provisions
for
oversight,
accountability
and
transparency,
which
led
to
increased
tensions
between
citizens
and
ppd.
The
nyu
school
of
law
has
studied
jttfs.
BA
The
crux
of
the
matter,
in
their
view,
is
that
there
is
no
mechanism
geared
toward
ensuring
compliance
with
state
and
local
laws.
Council,
I'm
urging
you
to
reject
this
mou
or
at
a
minimum.
I
urge
you
to
commission
studies
from
both
the
police
oversight
panel
and
human
relations
commission
before
even
considering
an
indefinite
agreement.
BA
Additionally,
I
ask
that
you
consider
the
voices
of
activists
and
politicians,
many
of
them
immigrants
and
or
people
of
color
from
other
cities
who
pulled
out
of
their
respective
agreements.
Many
of
those
cities
also
tried
the
amendment
route
and
were
rebuffed
by
the
fbi,
and
so
again
I
ask
you
to
reject
this
mou.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
X
X
X
Three
of
targeting
grassroots
organizers
and
non-violent
protesters
as
quote-unquote
terrorists
and
violating
our
first
amendment
rights
to
peaceful
demonstration
in
2005,
the
aclu
released
documents
that
confirmed
that
the
jttf
had
targeted
peaceful
protesters
in
colorado
as
potential
terrorists,
including
the
rocky
mountain
peace
and
justice
center
for
peacefully
demonstrating
to
oppose
the
iraq
war.
In
conjunction
with
these
non-violent
demonstrations,
the
rocky
mountain
peace
and
justice
center
hosted
non-violent
direct
action,
trainings
that
were
infiltrated
by
the
jttf,
who
attempted
to
incite
violence
in
the
other
participants
in
order
to
testify
against
them
later
in
court.
X
This
documents
request
was
filed
on
behalf
of
26
organizations,
one
of
which
was
food,
not
bombs,
for
providing
free
vegetarian
meals
in
a
picnic
setting
for
those
who
are
hungry.
Targeting
groups
that
engage
in
peaceful
demonstrations
and
labeling
them
as
terrorists
does
not
make
our
community
safer.
It
is
a
direct
violation
of
our
first
amendment
rights
and
an
egregious
waste
of
our
tax
dollars.
If
we
are
to
call
ourselves
a
democratic
society,
it
is
crucial
that
people
be
allowed
to
engage
in
non-violent
protest
without
risking
being
targeted
as
a
domestic
terrorist.
X
H
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
usama
khalid
and
I
work
within
boulder
and
commute
to
the
city
on
a
regular
basis.
I'm
coming
to
you
all
today
to
express
my
concern
of
the
possible
relationship
developing
with
boulder
pd
and
the
fbi's
joint
terrorism
task
force
as
a
person
of
color.
It
is
extremely
concerning
to
have
a
group
such
as
the
jttf
infiltrate,
our
community.
This
group
is
notorious
for
racially
profiling,
disrupting
peaceful
action
and
using
excessive
force
when
carrying
out
their
so-called
missions.
H
Boulder
is
a
sanctuary
city,
which
means
a
city
in
which
the
local
government
and
police
protect
undocumented
immigrants
and
refugees
from
deportation
by
federal
authorities.
The
introduction
of
this
tasker
is
detrimental
to
our
city's
foundation
of
being
a
safe
haven.
The
jttf
and
the
fbi
have
an
explicit
relationship
with
ice,
and
they
are
known
to
work
in
partnership
with
them
and
will
not
respect
the
city's
wish
of
being
a
safe
place
for
all
regard,
regardless
of
immigration
status.
H
Chief
harold
said,
the
fbi
helped
a
lot
with
the
king
super
shooting,
which
is
protocol,
it's
something
they
would
have
done
without
the
mou
or
the
jttf.
Not
adopting
the
jttf
in
our
community
will
not
prevent
the
fbi
from
investigating
potential
terrorist
activity
in
boulder.
The
fbi
will
always
be
able
to
investigate
these
claims
without
wasting
the
extra
tax
dollars
on
a
task
force.
H
It
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
and
the
unr
and
under
representative
communities
such
as
our
houseless
immigrants,
people
of
color
and
undocumented,
to
not
adopt
this
task
force
into
the
community
and
urge
you
all
to
not
approve
this
boulder
must
reject
this
partnership
to
keep
our
most
vulnerable
safe.
Thank
you.
AE
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
My
name
is
joshua
stallings.
I
live
in
boulder
county
and
work
in
the
city
of
boulder
and
throughout
the
county
as
the
north
regional
organizer,
with
the
colorado
immigrant
rights
coalition,
also
known
as
circ
cirque,
stands
in
opposition
to
the
city
of
boulder
entering
into
the
joint
terrorism
task
force
with
fbi
as
a
coalition
that
values,
equity
safety
and
inclusion,
and
works
hard
to
make
colorado
a
more
welcoming
and
friendly
state
for
immigrants
and
all
people.
AE
AE
While
we
believe
that
every
member
of
our
community
deserves
to
be
safe,
this
mou
with
fbi
will
not
provide
additional
safety
to
our
community.
In
fact,
it
will
put
certain
members
of
our
community
at
risk
deteriorating
people's
rights
to
personal
privacy
and
constitutional
civil
liberties,
as
many
others
have
mentioned
tonight.
The
fbi
and
jttf
have
a
disturbing
history
of
civil
rights
abuses
surveilling
without
reasonable
suspicion
and
profiling.
P
Yeah,
to
start
with,
this
is
not
legal
for
you
to
have
this
poor
notification
for
this
hearing.
It
was
on
consent,
agenda
3c.
I
guess
I
went
to
look
at
the
agenda
and
there
was
no
3c.
I
guess
that's
what
lauren
was
talking
about.
You
need
to
stop
this
hearing
and
have
it
over
again,
not
okay,
the
federal
advisory
committee
act.
You
know
it's
in
a
violation
of
that,
if
that's
applicable
here,
that's
applicable
at
the
rocky
flat
stewardship
council
and
they
violated
all
the
time,
not
okay.
P
Okay,
if
this
is
all
about
12
tribes
and
the
investigation
that
was
done
there
about
the
fire,
you
know
the
fire
is
the
terrorist.
Not
you
know
we
are
the
terrorists
for
not
addressing
climate
change,
which
is
what
caused
the
fire,
along
with
the
coal
mines
which
is
telling
us
we
better
stop
dealing
with
coal.
You
know
which
my
slide
showed.
The
solar
panels
are
there.
The
solar
panels
are
gonna
work.
P
This
is
the
other
f
word
fear
don't
go
there.
Don't
do
that?
You
know
that
guy
that
shot
up
at
the
king
supers
he
was
from
arakawa.
You
know:
what's
there
isis
isil,
whatever
the
terrorists?
No,
you
know
who
the
terrorists
are.
The
united
states
is
the
terrorists.
P
We
are
the
terrorists,
the
fbi
coming
into
our
town.
You
know,
I
know
one
fbi,
guy,
that's
good!
That's
john
lipsky!
He
exposed
rocky
flats
for
what
it
is.
War
is
terrorism,
and
this
is
a
form
of
terrorism
in
our
local
community.
No
way
you've
got
to
be
kidding,
let's
see
here,
and
this
is
an
emergency.
P
AX
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me
better
now?
Yes,
you
sound
good.
Thank
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
milan
gillard,
I'm
a
boulder
resident
and
a
member
of
boulder
showing
up
for
racial
justice
or
b
surge
at
a
time
when
boulder
needs,
more
than
ever
to
be
a
stronger
community
where
we
care
for
each
other.
The
push
by
chief
herald
for
the
mlu
and
joint
terrorism
task
force
is
an
insult
and
clearly
shows
a
lack
of
understanding
of
our
community.
AX
AX
It
is
also
a
threat
to
our
first
amendment
rights
to
peacefully
protest.
As
I'm
sure
some
of
you
have.
I
have
participated
in
peaceful
protest
in
this
city,
and
I
intend
to
do
so
again
should
the
need
arise.
I
have
nothing
in
common
with
domestic
terrorists
and
I
don't
want
to
be
on
such
a
list
as
other
other
peaceful
protesters
were
in
denver.
AX
I've
been
watching
the
city
increase
the
police
budget,
while
slashing
all
others
I've.
I
have
seen
the
city's
police
targeting
people
of
color
and
making
them
fear
for
their
lives.
The
mlu
would
allow
police
officers
to
no
longer
be
accountable
for
the
misconduct.
Enough
is
enough.
Why
do
we
need
more
weapons?
More
surveillance,
more
of
our
tax
dollars
go
to
a
task
force
that
many
cities
have
tried.
At
least
we
need
more
police
transparency,
not
less.
We
need
to
listen
to
dissent,
not
criminalize
it.
AX
C
Just
brenda
can
we
confirm
that
we
still
don't
have
jack
smith,
emily
cohen,
michael
denslow,
or
down
reynolds.
AC
Thank
you,
and
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
do
kind
of
a
quick
response
to
some
of
the
public
commenters.
You
know,
first
of
all,
say
thank
you
for
sticking
with
it.
This
long
to
make
to
you
know
to
let
us
hear
from
you
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
make
clear
for
the
community
is
that
I
truly
don't
think
it
is
chief
harold's
intention
to
do
harm.
I
think
I
heard
a
couple
of
folks
reference
reference
that
I
really
don't.
AC
I
don't
think
that
is
the
intention.
I
think
the
intention
here
is
really
to
think
about
how
how
we
can
keep
the
community
safe
and
when,
when
I
look
at
this,
it's
sort
of
a
boilerplate
mou
that
was
not,
I
think
there
it.
It
wasn't
sort
of
vetted
with
the
folks
who
have
experienced
some
bad
things
from
the
fbi
or
in
communities
that
have
experienced
that,
and
you
know
I
think
especially
given
that
we
did
a
declaration
for
black
history
month
tonight.
AC
It's
really
important
for
us
to
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
a
justifiable
lack
of
trust
here
in
the
community
with
some
in
the
community
so
anyway.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
note
those
two,
those
two
things
that
we
can
hold
for
this
conversation,
that
you
know
we're
all
trying
to
do
our
best
to
keep
the
community
safe
and
there
are
clearly
people
who
have
not
been
made
to
feel
safe
by
some
of
the
systems
that
we
have
in
place.
AC
C
For
that
that
framing
nicole,
so
other
questions
or
comments.
AC
Questions
so
one
of
the
questions
that
I
heard
was
around
who
pays
for
this,
and
so
I
was
hoping
to
get
some
clarity
on
that.
What
exactly
is
being
paid
for
by
our
city
versus
by
the
fbi?
And
I
I
believe
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
in
that
that
the
mou
was
offering
was
a
way
for
the
fbi
to
pay
for
some
all,
not
quite
sure
on
that.
E
Doctor,
thank
you
for
your
your
comments
and
your
question.
My
understanding
and
obviously
my
legal
advisor
has
taken
a
look
at
this
mou
and
my
understanding
is
the
only
cost
would
be
for
the
officer's
hours
when
dedicated
to
the
to
the
task
force,
which
is
a
part-time
position
requiring,
I
believe,
16
hours
of
his
time
per
week,
and
everything
else
would
be
paid
for
by
the
department
of
justice.
AC
E
That
is
my
understanding
all
other.
Unless
jen
frazier
is
going
to
disagree
with
me
that
the
16
hours
would
be
what
we're
responsible
for
out
of
the
detective's
weekly
timesheet.
AC
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
you
know,
I
think
my
my
other.
These
are
just
comments,
maybe
for
us
to
hold
on
to
as
we're
having
this
discussion.
It's
clear
there
is
a
lack
of
trust
here
with
the
community
right,
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
one
of
the
things.
That's
on
my
mind
is
what
can
we
do
to
address
that
right?
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
sort
of
say
that
everybody
feels
safe.
AC
You
know
in
the
community
with
this,
and
you
know
I
hear
you
take
harold
on
saying
that
there
there
really
are
benefits
in
terms
of
the
speed
and
the
efficiency
with
which
we
can
get
information,
given
you
know
having
somebody
who's,
sort
of
trained
and
able
to
access
that
information
really
quickly.
AC
I
would
love
for
us
to
think
about
what
can
we
do
to
address
that
within
the
context
of
of
this
arrangement
here
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
heard
a
lot
of
folks
kind
of
in
emails,
as
well
as
on
the
comments
address,
was
really
a
lack
of
accountability
in
the
mou,
and
I
think
you
know
I
I
hear
you
saying
that
you
know
it
would
be
there
and
you
know
if
you're
agreeing
it
would
be
there
if
the
fbi,
you
know,
is
good
with
this
too.
AC
Can
we
formalize
it
somehow
right
in
in
this
arrangement
it?
I
think,
that's
that
that
seems
to
be
a
key
piece
there,
and
you
know,
I
think,
specifically
getting
some
feedback
from
communities
that
have
been
harmed
by
the
fbi
would
be
really
valuable.
Folks,
especially
in
the
civil
rights
communities
and
especially
those
who
have
some
legal
expertise,
I
I
would
really
be
interested
to
sort
of
hear
what
could
we
add,
because
you
mentioned
we
could
potentially
modify
this.
AC
AC
Let
people
know
that
for
sure
these
folks
are,
we
stated
explicitly
these
folks
are
going
to
be
held
to
our
local
and
state
law,
and
I
heard
a
few
people
reference
senate
bill
217,
specifically
in
that
regard,
and
yes
and
then
one
other
thing
that
you
had
mentioned
she
probably
talked
was
that
in
relation
to
another
agreement
that
we
have
in
place
with
immigration
and
customs,
which
I
know
is
coming
up
in
a
couple
weeks,
council
in
2017
had
sort
of
put
some
some
guard
rails
around
that
through
an
ordinance.
AC
If
I'm
understanding
this
correctly
and
said,
you
know
it's
okay,
to
work
on
things
like
sex
trafficking
and
some
other
things
you
know
we
all
generally
agree
are
things
we
we
don't
want
to
have
around.
Is
there
anything
that
we
can?
You
know
we,
as
a
council
can
kind
of
put
in
place?
I
heard
a
lot
of
concern
about
protests.
For
example,
can
we
say
we
really
don't
want?
You
know
this?
AC
The
the
officer
who's
serving
in
this
role
to
to
you
know,
participate
in
any
monitoring
or
protesters,
or
anything
like
that.
So
I
feel
like
I
just
asked
too
many
questions
to
possibly
ask
them
to
respond
to
them
all
at
once,
but
I
think
the
main
points
are.
Can
we
somehow
address
this
lack
of
trust
that
the
community
has
and
can
we
also
try
to
address
the
lack
of
accountability
and
formalize
some
of
these
things
that
that
we're
all
talking
about
tonight
in
the
mouth.
E
Yeah,
probably
I
probably
need
some
help
on
this
one
doctor,
but
you
know,
since
I've
been
here,
my
police
reform
agenda
has
been
robust
and
I
have
worked
tirelessly
on
accountability
and
transparency.
E
There
is
really
nothing
that
I
am
not
willing
to
share
and
try
to
gain
the
community's
trust,
and
I
continue
to
strive
for
that,
and
so
does
this
police
department,
and
so
as
it
relates
to
all
your
questions
doctor.
Obviously
I
am
always
willing
to
try
to
get
every
community's
members
trust,
because
I
understand
that
some
community
members
have
not
always
had
the
best
experiences
with
the
police
department
and
the
federal
system,
but
so
to
answer
most
your
questions.
E
Yes,
I'm
willing
to
put
guard
rails
on
all
of
these
mous,
but
I
can't
help,
but
I
was
listening
to
to
people
talk,
and
so
I
just
in
all
fairness,
there
was
a
event
just
recently.
That
was
a
wonderful
event
I
attended
and
it
had
to
do
with
civil
rights.
Photography
out
of
memphis,
and
I
received
phone
calls
on
that,
because
that
event,
obviously
garnered
local
and
national
attention
and
the
phone
calls
I
received
to
help
and
to
contact
the
fbi
on
that
event
was
done
quickly
effectively
equitably.
E
And
so
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments.
But
this
road
is
two
ways.
The
the
the
terrorism
that
I'm
concerned
about,
especially
as
it
refers
to
boulder,
has
to
do
with
white
supremacy
and
conservative
groups
that
surround
this
city.
E
And
so,
when
I
speak
to
issues
such
as
this,
I
can't
help
but
think
that
some
of
the
groups
that
talk
tonight
actually
call
me
and
ask
for
fbi's
intervention
and
intelligence.
E
And
so
yes
to
your
questions
doctor,
I
will
continue
to
do
and
work
to
garners
everybody's
respect
and
I'll
put
guardrails
on
these
mous.
But
I
think
it's
fair
to
also
talk
about.
Some
of
the
people
that
were
on
here
tonight
have
called
me
to
ask
for
protection
because
there
are
real
threats
to
civil
rights
in
boulder
and
that's
what
I'm
mostly
concerned
about
and
that's
what
I
need
the
fbi's
help
with,
and
I
know
that
policing
fails
on
the
local
and
state
and
federal
level.
E
Z
As
an
initial
matter,
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
little
more
perspective
about
this.
This
is
the
use
of
one
police
officer,
cooperating
with
the
fbi
under
an
agreement
that
we
can
essentially
terminate
at
will.
If
we
don't
like
what
we
see,
if
we
don't
like
how
it's
going
we're
gone.
Okay,
it's
not
an
unusual
agreement
for
most
municipalities,
people.
Some
of
the
commentators
have
referenced
cities
that
were
dissatisfied
and
withdrew,
but
there
are
many
more
cities
that
have
executed
these
again.
Z
Chief
harold
has
made
it
clear
that
this
is
something
she
needs
to
enhance
our
ability
to
keep
this
community
safe.
It's
not
an
agreement
to
terrorize
activists
or
people
of
color.
It's
not
an
agreement
that
permits
the
fbi
to
take
over
law
enforcement
in
boulder.
A
little
more
perspective
is
required.
Z
My
concern
here
is:
I
don't
want
to
elevate
political
doctrine
over
the
realities
of
today's
world.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
does
not
believe
that
there
are
racist,
extremist
white
power,
domestic
groups
who
look
at
boulder
and
hate
us
for
our
values
and
who
might
one
day
seek
to
do
us
harm?
That's
the
world.
We
live
in,
that's
the
world,
the
chief
lives
in
and
that's
the
world
we
have
to
address.
Z
And,
lastly,
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
what
I
regard
as
an
almost
unprecedented
micromanagement
of
the
police
support
department
by
this
council,
a
group
of
elected
officials,
not
one
of
whom
has
served
in
a
law
enforcement
agency
unless
I'm
mistaken,
and
so
it
leads
me
to
the
question
of
what
next?
Are
we
going
to
ask
the
council
to
render
approval
of
chief
harold's
disposition
of
our
offices
on
patrol?
Z
Are
we
going
to
supervise
her
training
programs
and
if
we
are
so
singularly
knowledgeable
on
the
area
of
law
enforcement?
I
would
ask
why
not
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
how
we've
treated
the
subject,
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
the
lack
of
perspective
that
many
of
the
speakers
have
had
with
respect
to
what
this
agreement
actually
does
and
if
chief
harold
says
that
this
is
something
she
needs.
Z
They
talk
about
who
gets
paid
for
what
this
is.
This
is
not
the
way
we
ought
to
be
doing
this.
You
know
when
I
was
back
in
the
development
business.
My
attitude
was
either
listen
to
the
advice
of
people
who
work
for
you
or
fire
them
and
listen
to
their
advice.
Z
W
Thanks
mark-
and
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
from
the
community-
you
know
I
will
say
you
know
just
sort
of
respond
a
little
bit
to
to
my
colleague
mark
here
I
mean
the
micromanagement
just
because
none
of
us
are
police
officers
runs
a
slippery
slope
of
are
any
of
us,
hydrologists
or
climatologists
from
which
to
gauge
the
efficacy
of
doing
flood
protection
at
cu
south.
W
But
I
will
say
that
with
regards
to
to
this,
in
particular,
you
know
I've
had
some
experience
with
federal
agencies,
different
ones
and
they
usually
come
with
boilerplate
mousse,
and
one
of
the
ways
to
know
whether
you
have
a
good
partner
is
to
actually
look
at
modifying
those
mousse,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
that
dialogue
and
I
think,
with
what
chief
said,
is
that
she
said:
there's
some
things
that
she's
interested
in
changing.
There
might
be
some
things
that
we're
interested
in
providing
some.
W
You
know
guardrails
or
just
some
some
guarantees
about
certain
actions
or
inactions
that
may
occur,
and
I
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
have
that
dialogue,
because
to
take
an
mou
and
it'd
say
it's
take
it
or
leave
it.
You
we
work
with
you
or
we
don't
that's,
not
a
partner,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
actually
work
with
a
partner,
that's
willing
to
work
with
our
needs
to
to
meet
and
facilitate
not
just
we
as
council,
but
as
a
community
going
forward.
K
Okay,
thanks
erin
yeah,
just
a
couple
follow-up
questions
for
chief
harold,
let's
see
number
one,
it
was
mentioned
in
a
from
a
couple
people
that
people
could
use
this
mou
to
sort
of
sidestep
the
new
colorado
laws
which
increased
transparency
and
accountability.
Is
that
accurate?
Do
our
local
police
officers
who
participate
in
this
mou
exempt
from
the
heightened
requirements
of
colorado
law.
E
No,
but
I
will
let
my
legal
advisor,
give
you
the
specifics
on
that.
So
at
least
you
have
the
law,
so
you
can
follow
up
rachel
thanks
for
the
question.
K
So
that's
something
that
that,
if,
if
needed,
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
we
could
change
the
mou
to
to
make
that
different,
but
yeah,
I
think
before
I
voted
on
it.
I
would
love
that
information.
Okay,
next
question:
I
have.
AT
Chief,
I
can
so
some
of
the
most
recent
legislation
about
police
reform
came
from
house
bill
1250
and
one
of
the
many
things
it
did
was
addressed:
peace
officer
standards
and
training.
So
our
post
certification,
how
our
peace
officers
are
trained
and
certified,
and
that
certification
is
something
that
our
officers
hold
and
it's
something
that
they
can
lose
so
house
bill.
AT
1250
took
a
look
at
reform
and
specifically
addressed
that
if
there's
a
mandatory
and
permanent
post
revocation
any
time
an
officer
was
found
criminally
criminally
or
civilly
liable
for
an
unlawful
use
of
force
or
for
a
failure
to
intervene,
and
so
the
post
board
wouldn't
have
to
mandatory
revoke
an
officer's
certification
without
reinstatement.
AT
If
one
of
those
conditions
existed,
so
there
would
be
state
implications
for
an
officer's
misconduct,
even
if
the
officer
was
acting
as
a
task
force
officer
with
the
jttf.
AT
The
officer
is
still
subject
to
our
policies
and
procedures,
so
any
violation
would
be
reviewed
by
a
professional
standards
unit
and
that
officer
would
be
subject
to
termination.
So
there
are
consequences
not
only
with
this
agency,
but
also
at
the
state
level
for
any
type
of
misconduct
and
specifically
conditions
that
were
addressed
in
the
most
recent
legislation
from
july.
E
K
Sorry
about
the
camera
here
we're
doing
some
my
husband's
leaving
for
a
shift
here.
Okay,
so
I
guess
I'm
confused
then,
if,
if
I
were,
is
that
different
from
somebody
who's,
just
a
an
fbi
officer
like?
Are
they
not
then
subjected
to
these
colorado
state
standards?
But
because
this
person
is
colorado
forget
the
word
certified
post-certified?
Then
they
have
a
different
accountability.
E
I
think
we're
in
really
good
shoes
and
then
obviously
the
federal
government.
The
fbi
has
a
very
strict
accountability
matrix
as
well.
So
I'm
confident
that
you're
that
your
concerns
would
be
addressed.
Rachel,
okay,.
K
Thanks
we
you've
mentioned
one
officer
and
and
part-time
16
hours
who's
been
training.
Is.
Is
this
mou
only
good
for
one
officer,
or
is
it
possible
that
that
number
would
be
ramped
up?
Are
we
really
just
looking
at
one
person.
E
I
can
I
can
tell
you
that
that
is
all
I
can
sustain,
and
I
would
not.
This
is
a
small
agency.
Larger
cities
may
have
four
to
five
people
in
their
jttf
that
are
usually
much
larger
cities.
E
Port
cities
that
have
international
terrorist
threats,
new
york,
seattle,
ports
and
texas,
but
boulder
is
a
very
small
market,
and
so
one
officer
would
meet
our
demands
and,
like
I
said
before,
if
it's
helpful,
this
officer
would
be
primarily
focused
on
boulder
threats
which
occur
regularly
and
they
would
not
be
traveling
or
going
outside
of
boulder
with
the
threats.
It
would
be
a
rare
occasion
that
this
would
happen.
K
Okay
and
with
I
guess
through
this
mou-
well
one
thing
back
on
that
last
point:
could
we
just
say
in
the
agreement,
then
that
it's
just
for
one
person?
I
think
that
might
help
to
alleviate
some
of
the
concerns
so
just
put
that
out
there
as
a.
I
think.
That's
that's
helpful
thanks
so
through
having
this
just
one
person
focusing
on
boulder.
K
Does
that
somehow
in
any
way
that
could
I
think
that
people
are
concerned
that
this
is
going
to
be
detrimental
to
our
community
and
we're
going
to
be
more
surveyed
and
more
harshly
policed?
Does
having
this
somehow
make
surveillance
like
the
eye
sort
of
focus
on
boulder
in
a
way
that
might
be
detrimental
in
your
opinion,.
E
No,
I
I
think
this
person
for
a
very
small
amount
of
time
on
a
weekly
basis
will
be
able
to
focus
in
on
what
I
perceive
are
legitimate
threats
from
domestic
violent
extremist
groups
that
I
believe
surround
boulder,
and
I
agree
with
mark's
assessment.
This
is
my
this
is.
My
big
fear
is
that
we
do
have
a
target
rich
environment
for
white
supremacists
and
far
leaning
right
groups,
and
I
am
trying
my
best
to
get
a
handle
on
that
and
respond
accordingly.
K
Understood-
and
certainly
you
know,
I
don't
think
any
of
this
wants
to
to
do
anything
that
would
make
our
community
less
safe
from
events
like
what
was
stopped
today,
so
just
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
ways
that
we
can
maybe
improve,
improve
this
and
make
sure
that
that
we're
not
somehow
giving
more
than
we
get.
I
guess
in
this
agreement
and
that's
that's
a
little
bit
unclear
from
from
the
agreement
itself
and
from
the
comments
like
what
is
boulder
exactly
getting
versus
what
are
we
giving
like?
K
I
think
I'm
hearing
you
say
that
we're
not
giving
away
the
right
to
be
more
surveilled
surveyed
surveilled,
but
instead
getting
information
that
is
helpful
for
us
to
monitor
these
threats.
So
if
you
could
just
speak
a
little
bit
to
sort
of
the
the
give
and
get
and
this
agreement
and
what's
good
about
it
for
boulder.
E
Well,
yeah,
what's
good
for
boulder
is
that
when
I
receive
a
phone
call
that
that
I've
received
numerous
times
since
I've
been
here
from
doctors
that
are
in
charge
of
women's
health
clinics
and
they
perceive
a
threat
that
I
can
walk
down
the
hall,
and
I
can
ask
the
detective
to
please
see
if
this
threat
is
real
and
how
long
do
I
have
to
respond
accordingly,
like
I
did
today?
E
That's
that's
what
the
fbi
is
offering
boulder
and
those
are
the
kind
of
assessments
on
a
fast
track
that
I
need
to
keep
this
community
safe.
We
have
real
threats
in
boulder
that
I
deal
with
on
a
weekly
basis.
E
E
This
really
comes
down,
in
my
opinion,
to
trusting
me
to
keep
this
community
safe,
and
I
am
asking
that
this
is
another
major,
robust
tool
that
I
will
have
to
keep
this
community
safe
from
domestic
terrorism.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
just
have
two
more
quick
questions.
I
think
one
is
a
question
of
cost
and
and
there's
I
can't
quite
figure
out
where
the
liability
lies.
So
I
think
I
read
something
or
heard
someone
mention.
You
know
if
there's
an
incident,
it's
optional,
whether
whether
the
city
of
boulder
or
fbi
would
take
on
liability
for
something
you
know
a
bad
outcome,
while
task
force
work
was
underway.
Do
you
know?
Can
that
be
changed
in
the
mou
like?
I
would.
E
I
will
let
jen
frazier
speak
to
that,
but
I
mean
there's
precedent
involved
here,
rachel
that
I'm
confident
that
if,
if
the
officer
is
acting
within
the
scope
of
the
law,
then
he
will
have
protections
at
the
both
the
federal
level
and
the
city
level.
Obviously,
if
the
officer
is
intentional
and
he
is
intentionally
doing
something
wrong,
then
he's
not
going
to
have
protection
on
either
level
but
jen
frazier
would
probably
be
much
more
eloquent
in
her
legal
response
to
that
than
I
just
was,
but
jen
frazier.
No,
that's.
AT
Right,
chief,
so
with
or
without
this
mou,
these
are
type
of
events
and
threat
assessment
incidents
that
the
boulder
police
department
would
respond
to
and
as
such,
they
would
have
the
same
potential
liability.
AT
One
difference
in
this
mou
is
there's
a
provision
where
the
doj
department
of
justice
may
determine
that
the
task
force
officer
should
be
afforded
some
legal
representation
or
a
legal
defense
or
an
indemnification
of
a
civil
judgment.
So
there's
some
more
protect,
there's
more
protection
here
for
the
officer,
but
the
liability
would
remain
the
same
for
the
city,
because
these
are
the
same
type
of
incidents
we
would
respond
to
with
or
without
the
mou
and
just
to
clarify.
K
Thanks
for
that,
so
just
to
make
sure
I'm
following
that
answer
correctly,
let's
say:
there's
a
an
allegation
of
excessive
force
being
utilized
while
someone's
responding-
I
guess,
while
just
one
officer
potentially
is
responding
and
it's
upheld
that
would
it
would
be
the
city
of
boulder
taking
on
that
liability,
because
you're
saying
this
officer
would
be
responding
in
the
capacity
of
city
of
bolder
work.
Anyhow,
so
is
that
the
answer.
AT
Well
I'll
defer
to
teresa
tate
on
this,
so
she
could
speak
for
the
city
as
a
city
attorney.
G
Hi
teresa
tate
city
attorney,
yes,
rachel,
that's
accurate.
I
think
you
know
what
I
what
I
understood
jen
and
the
chief
to
say
is
that
these
are
incidents
that
would
require
a
response
from
a
boulder
police
officer
anyway,
and
so
presumably
the
events
would
unfold.
In
the
same
way,
we
do
have
an
obligation
under
state
law
to
indemnify
officers
acting
within
the
scope
of
their
duty,
and
so
that's
an
obligation
that
we
always
carry
for
our
officers
here.
There
is
an
opportunity
for
representation
by
the
doj
or
indemnification
from
them.
L
Hey
there
first
of
all
boulder
community
and
city
council,
I
just
want
to
disclose
that
I
have
a
migraine,
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
my
usual
concise
self.
So
please
excuse
me
for
that.
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
I
appreciate
the
passion
and
the
compassion
of
the
people
that
spoke
tonight,
and
that
means
a
lot
also.
L
I
want
to
say
that
those
20
people
are
important,
but
also
they're,
not
the
entire
community
right,
because
the
rest
of
the
many
people
in
the
community
didn't
realize
that
this
was
happening
today.
So
I
feel
like
it
might
not
have
exactly
been
like
a
microcosm
of
how
the
entire
city
of
boulder
feels.
So
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
where
it
wasn't
exactly
the
community.
L
It
was
some
people
who,
like
knew
in
advance
that
this
was
happening,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that,
but
at
the
same
time
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
and
I
think
that
they
were
compassionate
and
people
really
do
care.
I
do
want
to
say
that
at
the
same
time,
it
would
have
been
good
to
hear
from
other
people
who
might
not
have
necessarily
held
those
points
of
views,
but
we
did
only
hear
from
one
side
so
always
like
fairness
to
be
out
there.
The
second
thing
I
want
to
say
is.
L
To
me,
the
biggest
fear
is
right-wing
extremist
white
supremacy.
You
know
we
had
some
things
happening
in
the
synagogue
world
where
now
like,
for
instance,
in
my
synagogue,
we
have
to
have
security
guards
and
such
same
thing
in
churches
and
I'm
sure
in
mosques
where
marist
was
talked
to
chief
police
chief,
harold
was
talking
about
minutes
matter.
They
really
do
matter
in
those
incidences
in
schools
and
in
religious
institutions
and
faith
communities.
They
matter
a
lot.
L
They
mattered
in
minutes
can
make
a
big
difference
in
lives,
and
I
also
believe
that
if
chief
harold
says
that
we
need
this,
that
we
really
do
need
this.
She
has
been
the
taking
making
the
chart.
You
know,
she's
been
the
one.
That's
been
reimagining
the
police
force
with
us.
L
I
think
for
now
I'll
just
hold
it
at
that
and
I'll.
Let
the
next
person
speak.
AN
Thank
you,
hair
aaron.
So
here's
what
I
hear
from
this
conversation
that's
been
going
on
for
for
a
long.
While
I
get
a
sense
that
we
can
respond
to
the
threats
that
are
going
on
in
our
community
without
the
help
of
the
fbi,
or
at
least
without
signing
up
to
this
mou,
that
they
are
already
helping
us
somewhat
automatically
and
also.
AN
This
particular
issue
should
have
gone
to
instead
of
just
coming
before
us,
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
something
that
tara
just
said
that
we
should
hear
for
more
people
in
the
community,
and
today
we
only
heard
from
20,
although
I
really
appreciate
those
20
people
who
came
because
they
have
educated
me
as
well
on
some
of
the
issues,
and
I
really
appreciate
them
showing
up
today
and
we
know
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
can't
show
up
right
because
of
their
work,
their
family.
They
don't
have
access
to
internet.
AN
There
are
so
many
different
reasons
why
we
don't
have
many
people
here
on
here
today,
but
I
really
think
honestly.
This
thing
should
have
gone
to
the
to
the
task
force
before
it
came
before
council
we're
not
the
expert
on
policing,
and
I
can
see
myself
as
a
council
member
green
lighting,
this
process
in
any
way
without
community
support
and
the
20
people
who
came
before
council
tonight
are
very
convincing.
AN
AN
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
moving
forward
because
again,
I
just
don't
see
where
this
has
been
vetted
by
the
community
first
and
I
think
that's
where
it
should
start
with
community
and
having
that
conversation
and
also
utilizing
that
task
force
that
you
do
have,
and
I
think
as
well
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
by
a
lot
of
community
members.
AN
AN
Is
this
how
we
want
to
go
when
we
really
think
about
it?
How
far
we've
come
is
this
the
road
we
want
to
take
because
we
hear
from
community
tonight
and
a
lot
of
people
are
not
happy
and
they're
just
not
trustworthy
and
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
the
right
person
to
make
that
decision.
So
I
would
say
tonight
my
answer
would
be
a
no
thank
you.
AC
May
I
just
colloquy
on
junie's
point
problems.
It
won't
be
as
long
this
time.
What
I
just
want
to
point
out
just
for
us
in
this
discussion.
AC
You
know
I'm
hearing
folks
say
we
need
to
trust
the
expertise
of
the
police
when
it
comes
to
law
enforcement
issues,
and-
and
I
think
that
the
component
that
we
may
not
be
quite
hitting
on
is
that
we
have
folks
in
our
community
who
are
experts
in
the
oppression
that
has
come
from
kind
of
our
our
history
of
policing
and
how
we
do
law
enforcement
and
just
to
go
to
junie's
point.
AC
Y
Thank
you,
so
I
wanted
to
start
off
by
addressing
a
comment:
tara
had
about
some
community
members,
knowing
about
this
ahead
of
time,
since
I
was
the
person
who,
on
sunday
night
flagged
this
and
moved
it
to
or
off
of
the
consent
agenda.
Unless
someone
was
able
to
read
my
mind
before
I
read
the
packet,
I
really
don't
think
anyone
had
any
knowledge
of
this
prior
to
that
email.
So,
while
I
agree
that
this
you
know,
public
comment
probably
does
not
reflect
the
entirety
of
our
community
it.
Y
You
know
these
are
a
group
of
people
who
made
really
quick
adjustments
to
their
lives,
to
try
to
show
up
to
be
here
for
something
that
they
care
about.
So
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
commitment.
Y
E
Y
Y
Can
we
get
statistical
information
around?
You
know
racial
ethnic
identities
of
people
in
our
community?
You
know
like
like
we
do
for
when
people
are
pulled
over
and
things
like
that,
can
we
will
we
have
any
ability
to
sort
of
review
as
a
community
who
is
being
targeted
by
these
investigations
in
a
broader
general
sense.
E
I
would
have
to
I
would
have
to
talk
with
the.
I
would
have
to
talk
with
the
fbi.
On
that
point
lauren.
I
could
speak
in
generalities
about
places.
If
it's
you
know,
if
it's
a
long-term
investigation,
I'm
sure
I
could
get
some
information
and,
and
maybe
one
of
the
other
deputies
or
jen
frazier
can
jump
in
here.
E
E
If
that's
helpful
carrie,
do
you
have
any
other
thing
or
john
frazier.
AT
Chief,
some
of
this
information
could
be
sought
through
the
federal
records
act
or
freedom
of
information
act
inquiry
from
any
actions
taken
by
the
joint
terrorism
task
force.
If
she's
looking.
If
you
were
looking
for
specific
data
or
statistics,
that
would
be
one
avenue,
the
public
would
have
access
to
subject
to
their
disclosure
requirements
and.
E
E
AS
Chief,
I
think,
that's
accurate.
Obviously,
we
can't
share
the
fbi's
data
that
would
be
up
to
them,
but
we
could
share
what
portion
of
ours
maybe
crosses
over,
but
again,
I'm
not
sure
it
would
depend
on
the
status
the
investigation
too,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
a
lot
of
this
is
investigative
work,
including
you
know,
gathering
information
from
all
kinds
of
sources.
Not
it's
not
constantly
contacting
people
there's
a
lot
of
open
source
information
gathering
too,
that
doesn't
involve
direct
contact
with
people.
Y
So
I'm
kind
of
following
along
with
this
theme
of
oversight,
I'm
also
wondering
if
the
oversight
commission
would
be
able
to
provide
oversight
and
investigate
questions
or
concerns
from
the
public
regarding
any
issues
that
come
up
with
this
officer
or
in
the
future.
If
there
were
other
officers
involved
in
this
program
or
if
there
will
be
boundaries
on
their
oversight
of
this
program
and
if
the
officers
involved
with
it
could
be
shielded
by
from
investigation
by
the
federal
government.
E
No,
our
officers
would
most
certainly
be
under
our
oversight
and
accountability,
and
and
the
federal
government
is
not
going
to
shield
the
detective
not
by,
but
not
by
their
own
policy,
but
most
certainly
not
knowing
me.
Y
So
in
general,
I
believe
that
effective
counterterrorism
measures
and
also
protecting
our
civil
rights
are
not
conflicting
but
complementary
goals,
and
in
that
vein,
I
would
really
like
to
see
the
hrc
and,
as
juni
mentioned,
the
police
oversight
commission
review
the
mlu
and
make
recommendations
for
modifications.
Y
I
think
that
that
would
go
a
long
way
to
help
build
trust
and
ensure
that
sort
of
the
concerns
for
balancing
those
issues
are
taken
into
account,
as
was
mentioned
in
the
public
comment.
Y
Y
It's
deeply
concerning
to
me
that
there
are
such
significant
concerns
from
organizations
in
our
community
from
other
cities,
specifically
because
we
know
how
little
because
we
have
limited
knowledge
of
the
content
and
scope
of
these
investigations,
and
so
because
of
this,
I
think
we
really
should
take
these
concerns
into
account
and
make
sure
that
our
community
is
involved
in
talking
through
sort
of
the
best
way
that
we
can
move
forward.
C
Z
Z
The
entire
country
and
she's
asked
for
something
necessary
to
protect
the
community.
I
would
like
to
give
that
the
weight
that
it
is
due
and
and
not
not
sending
it
out
to
committees
for
their
perusal.
This
is
this
is
not
that
complex
of
matter
and
it's
a
direct
request
from
the
police
chief
and
there's
good
and
satisfactory
grounding
to
accede
to
that
request,
and
so
no,
I
would
I
would
not.
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
sending
this
out
to
a
group
of
people
so
that
they
can.
Z
L
Real
quick
aaron
because
I
know
you
haven't
spoke
yet
is
I
think
we
should
remember
what
chief
harold
said,
that
we
are
a
medium-sized
city,
we're
not
portland
we're
not
san
francisco.
We
don't
have
the
resources
that
they
do
and
she
specifically
asked
for
those
resources
that
she
really
needs
badly,
that
we
don't
have.
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
people
besides
how
reform-minded
she
is
that
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
she
wants
this
mou.
C
C
So
now
I
appreciate
the
the
passionate
testimony
from
the
public
tonight
and
the
concerns
that
were
raised,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
importance
of
you
know
a
coordinated
response
with
the
federal
government
to
the
the
many
and
varied
and
dangerous
extremist
threats
within
our
community
or
within
our
society,
to
our
community,
with
the
examples
being
from
just
this
morning
of
the
the
individual
near
cu
and
the
university
hill
elementary
school
and,
of
course,
last
year
at
king
super
shootings
and
the
many
other
possible
threats
in
our
in
our
with
the
level
of
violence
and
extremism
we
have
in
our
community.
C
So
I
I
feel,
like
you
know,
the
matter
of
of
close
coordinations
with
those
extremely
dangerous
real
threats
is
really
important,
but
I
also
understand
the
concerns
about
you
know
how
this
something
like
this
could
produce
undesirable
results
in
terms
of
targeting
you
know
marginalized
communities
and
activists.
C
That
would
not
be
something
that
our
our
community,
our
council,
or
or
or
I
believe
our
police
force
would
want
to
target,
and
so
my
my
question
would
be
I've
heard
some
ideas
for
changes
that
we
could
add
in
you
know
some
targeted
changes
to
the
mou
that
could
assuage
some
of
those
concerns
like,
for
example,
adding
in
a
clause
that
said
that
the
boulder
police
department
personnel
would
continue
to
be
bound
by
boulder
police
department
policies
which
maris.
C
I
heard
you
loud
and
clear
that
you
asserted
that,
but
I
don't
believe
it's
currently
written
into
the
agreement.
So
that's
that's
one
thought
I'll
maris
I'll
come
back
to
you
in
a
minute
here,
but
another
thing
that
I
heard
was
about
specifying
there's
one
person
involved
in
the
in
the
task
force.
C
Specifically,
I
heard
a
question
about
getting
information
on
activities
and
I
think
maybe
there's
some
specific
data
that
might
not
be
available,
but
I'll
just
offer
the
the
question
of
might
be
possible
to
get
like
an
annual
report
that
you
know
talks
about
the
activities
that
the
joint
task
force
was
involved
in,
so
that
the
council
and
maybe
there's
a
the
public
version
that
has
the
most
information
republicans,
and
maybe
we
get
a
little
bit
extra
details.
C
The
council,
if
there's
a
little
bit
of
privileged
information
that
only
we
should
see
or
something
like
that
and
and
then
the
so.
I
guess
those
are
a
few
ideas,
so
you
know
that's
potentially
a
direction
that
we
could
go
in.
So
I'll.
Just
stop
there
for
a
moment.
Mary's
did
you
want
to
have
any
response
to
that.
C
Thanks
for
that,
and-
and
so
then
well
but
bob
hasn't
spoken
yet,
but
I
I
I
do
want
to
hear
from
everybody
at
least
once
if
they
want
to
speak,
but
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
the
council
to
then
try
to
get
out
like
a
straw
poll
of
different
general
areas.
We
might
go
in
to
try
to
bring
this
discussion
to.
C
You
know
a
close
whether
it's
prove
deny
you
know
send
to
communities
or
whatever
it
is
to
find
the
world
council
here
in
a
minute,
so
I'll
go
on
to
bob
rachel's,
better
hands
up
and
and
then
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
put
those
options
out
to
the
council
and
see
what
direction
we'd
like
to
go
in.
J
Thanks
aaron
well,
first
I'll
just
I'll
just
say
that,
with
the
with
the
exchange
that
aaron
and
the
chief
just
had
I,
I
would
support
the
agreement
with
those
changes
that
that
that
aaron
suggested
and
others
such
as
justin
and
the
chief
has
agreed
to.
I
do
agree
with
mark
that
sending
this
out
to
other
residents,
because
that's
all
they
really
are
right.
Other
residents
to
take
a
look
at
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense.
They
have
no
expert,
more
expertise
in
policing
than
we
do.
J
This
is
an
agreement
that
probably
didn't
need
to
come
to
us.
We
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
agreements
teresa
could
probably
go
figure
it
out
that
get
it
signed
every
year
by
the
city
that
don't
come
to
city
council.
This
is
one
that
probably
didn't
need
to
come
to
city
council.
It's
fine
that
it
did.
J
It's
fine
that
we
had
a
like
the
public
hearing
and
discussion
tonight,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
our
police
chief
is
somebody
who
we
hired
to
protect
our
community
and
where
I
come
from,
you
either
trust
your
staff
or
you
get
new
staff.
AH
K
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
that
maybe,
if
we
wanted
to
get
some
community
input,
we
could
incorporate
it
into
the
reimagining
policing
efforts.
I
think
one
way
we
could
do
this.
If
I'm
understanding
it
correctly,
we
can
opt
out
of
this
agreement
like
pretty
easily,
so
I
imagine
we
can
amend
it
pretty
easily
if
we
wanted.
So
I
would
propose
that
we
consider
maybe
getting
the
revised
agreement
and
voting
on
that
one.
You
know
with
the.
K
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
vote
tonight
on
an
mlu
that
has
not
been
revised,
but
if
we
can
get
the
revisions
that
it
sounds
like
there's
buy-in
for
that,
you
mentioned
aaron
and
then
maybe
ask
the
tara
and
I,
as
the
reimagining
policing
subcommittee,
to
add
in
input
here
and
if
the
you
know
community
has
helpful
feedback,
then
we
can
bring
it
back
or
chief
harold
can
bring
it
back
and
we
can
look
at
amending
agreement,
but
I
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
like
bang
for
our
buck
for
police
reform
spending,
a
ton
of
community
outreach
on
a
position.
K
That's
going
to
be
16
hours
a
week.
One
person
is
not
what
I
have
in
mind
personally
for
digging
into
local
police
reform.
Honestly,
like
I,
I
think
we
can
do
a
lot
as
a
city,
and
I
just
don't
know
that
this
is
the
place
where,
where
we
want
to
just
invest
all
of
our
time
and
energy
and
frankly,
money
to
do
engagement,
so
I
think
we
should
be
thinking
more
broadly.
K
This
is
a
a
very
focused
thing
that
I
think
we
can
still
get
input
on,
but
probably
move
forward
and
amend
us
necessary
with
the
changes.
AC
Yeah,
I'm
just
kind
of
as
a
quick
read
erin.
I
I
don't
think
this
is
something
that
I
can
support
without
input
from
communities
that
are
not
represented
on
this
zoom
screen
that
that
is
sort
of
my
my
biggest
concern
that
we've
heard
from
people
in
our
community
tonight
through
emails,
I
mean,
through
just
reading
reading
a
history
book,
they've
they've
been
terrorized
by
law
enforcement
right
and
and
chief
harold.
I
don't
mean
this
anything
personal
against
you.
It's
really.
AC
This
is
kind
of
the
place
where
people
are
coming
from
right
and
without
having
some
of
those
those
folks
who
have
been
in
that
position
or
from
communities
that
have
been
in
that
position
represented
in
this
decision.
I
think
it
is
a
big
deal
right
because
we're
talking
about
keeping
people
safe
in
our
community
and
we've
got
some
of
the
most
vulnerable
communities
within
boulder
who
are
telling
us
this
doesn't
make
them
feel
safe.
AC
If
anything,
it
makes
them
feel
less
safe,
and
I
think
we
need
to
listen
to
that
and
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
a
years
long
process,
but
the
juni.
You
know
you
mentioned
the
the
human
relations
commission,
the
overheard,
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
you
didn't
mention
that
someone
else
did,
but
the
oversight
task
force.
These
are
places
that
already
have
some
of
the
folks
who
could
weigh
in
on
this,
and
so
you
know,
I
don't
I
don't
see
it
as
sort
of
farming
things
out
committing
to
die
a
slow
death.
AC
AK
AN
AN
AN
I
do
believe
the
task
force
would
be
a
a
really
good
place
to
get
that
community
input
and-
and-
and
you
know,
here's
my
thought
or
my
comment
to
what
mark
said-
something
about
you
know
taking
it
to
committees
to
have
a
slow
death
or
death
by
a
thousand
cut
if
it
is
so
be
it
if
really
people
who
are
part
of
the
human
rights
commission
or
human
relations
commission
and
the
oversight
task
force.
Look
into
this
and
say
this
is
not
good
for
a
community
and
it
would
harm
people,
then
so
be
it.
AN
If
that's
really
really
what
ended
up
happening
and
they
said
that
and
they
said
we
should
not
move
forward.
We
should
not
move
forward
with
it.
So
that's
where
I
am
when
it
comes
to
this
particular
discussion,
I'm
still
in
the
same
position
that
we
definitely
need
more
community
engagement
and-
and
I
understand
you're-
saying
16
hours,
then
if
16
hours
is
not
such
a
oh,
what's
the
word
a
large
amount
of
time,
then
why
have
it
at
all?
AN
J
J
C
That's
my
that's
my
intention
too.
I
just
that.
I
I
see.
I
see
four
options.
Broadly
speaking,
that
we
could
deny
it
tonight,
we
could
approve
it
without
amendments.
We
could
approve
it
with
amendments
which
we
could
talk
about,
what
those
amendments
are
or
we
could
send
it
out
to
further
community
input
processes,
and
so
just
wanted
to
get
people's
interest
in
those
different
do.
Does
anybody
else
have
a
different
option
that
they
would
see?
Besides
the
sport.
C
C
Not
really
seeing
it
so
how
about
approve
with
without
any
amendments
is
that
anybody's
preferred
approach,
I'm
not
seeing
so
much
so
how
about
the
so
that
leaves
us
really
with
the
approve
of
the
amendments
are
sent
out
to
the
committee
for
further
input.
So
what's
generally
people's
thoughts
on
approving
with
amendments
tonight,
that's
probably
where
I
am
I'm
seeing
probably
six
people
who
want
to
go
in
that
direction,
and
then
I'll
just
so,
it
sounds
like
the
the
going
out
to
the
community
for
additional
input.
C
Okay!
Well,
thanks
for
walking
through
that
with
us,
so
it
sounds
like
we
have.
A
majority
is
interested
in
looking
at
an
amended
version
of
the
mou
tonight,
so
I
had
offered
I
put
out
three
potential
amendments
and
wanted
to
see
if
anybody
wanted
to
offer
any
other
possible
things
for
for
tonight.
E
Thanks
matt,
I
talked
to
great
length
with
jen
frazier
and
the
fbi
today,
trying
to
shore
up
what
I
was
concerned
about,
and
I
feel
confident
that
what
we
discussed
tonight
will
shore
up
my
concerns,
and
I
I
just
appreciate
everybody's
comments
tonight.
Thank
you.
AC
I
just
wanted
to
ask
if
this
is
the
sort
of
thing
where
the
racial
equity
tool
might
apply
with
regard
to
you
know
thinking
about
engagement
on
this,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
that
that
we
do
have
this
tool
that
I
think
is
meant
to
be
used
on
thinking
about
engagements
and
things
I
may.
AC
U
U
It
is
precisely
that
tool
that
is
intended
to
apply
to
the
policies
and
the
decisions
that
we
make
as
we
move
forward,
and
I
think
that
it
is,
it
will
be
a
really
good
use
and
an
instrument
as
we
get
more
sophisticated
in
the
use
of
that,
but
that
is
frankly,
one
of
the
goals
for
this
year's
ratio
in
the
work
plan
is
to
make
sure
we're
broadening
the
use
of
that
racial
equity
tool.
As
we
move
forward.
C
If
I
could
just
suffer,
thank
you
for
that.
If
I
can
just
offer
an
additional
thought,
I
want
to
pick
up
on
rachel's
comment
about
the
reimagine
policing
effort.
So
junior
you
get
a
good
point
that
this
there's
the
process
subcommittee
that
this
is
not
appropriate
for,
but
the
the
overall
effort
itself
is
about
is
about
putting
together
the
police
master
plan
and
and
with
a
great
deal
of
outreach
to
the
community,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
topic
to
have
as
part
of
that
discussion
you
know
so
it
could.
C
It
could
be
part
of
that.
One
of
the
things
that
gets
talked
about
is
that
master
plan
gets
finalized.
Do
you
feel
like
that's
something
that
could
become
a
topic
on
that
process?
Yes,.
K
I
do,
can
I
just
clarify
that
aaron
in
terms
of
what
I
was
suggesting
agreed.
It
is
a
process
and
I
appreciate
very
much
judy
making
that
distinction,
but
I
was
suggesting
that
tara
and
I
could
take
it
back
and
say
we
want
to
you-
know,
incorporate
process
around
asking
those
questions
and
then
part
of
what
process
subcommittee
usually
does,
I
think,
is
schedule
when
things
come
back
to
council.
K
So
if
we
wanted
to
to
take
that
out
for
incorporating
some
of
those
questions
and
surveys
and
things
that
were
given
to
the
community,
I
think
that
this
subcommittee
could
could
do
that
or
it
can
go
a
different
way,
but
I
think
people
are
already
getting
together
to
talk
about
policing
and
feelings
around
that
and
thoughts
and
suggestions.
So
it
seems
like
it
could
happen
pretty
easily.
There.
C
And
I'll
just
say,
and
then
I'll
give
you
tara
that
to
me
that
that's
a
way
of
incorporating
additional
community
feedback
into
this
question,
we
are
doing
this.
You
know
overall
consideration
of
the
police
master
plan
and
it's
a
way
to
get
additional
committee
feedback,
and
this
is
an
mmu
that
that
we
are
allowed
to
revoke
or
amend
in
the
future.
L
Sorry
I
wanted
to
just
say
lauren.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
that
comment.
It
made
me
consider,
and
I
want
you
to
repeat
the
comment
you
made
about
me
by
the
way
I
wanted
to
repeat
to
the
advocate
community.
That
spoke
tonight,
that
I
really
do
care
about
what
you
feel
and
I
believe
in
you
and
although
you
know,
I
might
have
a
different
way
of
looking
at
things.
I
care
about
what
you
say.
L
I
care
about
your
feelings
and
I
care
about
the
injustices
as
well
so
rachel,
and
I
will
work
really
hard
as
we're
both
together
on
this
committee,
to
really
uphold
the
values
of
boulder.
C
Thanks
so
not
seeing
any
other
hands,
I
think
maybe
we
can
come
back
to
bob.
You
made
a
motion
before
we
can.
J
J
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion.
A
second
do.
We've
talked
about
this
a
lot.
Do
we
have
any
further
thoughts,
rachel.
K
Sorry
I'll
be
very
quick.
I
would
like
to
see
it.
I
I
again,
though
I
I
agree
it's
subject,
but
we've
had
a
lengthy
discussion
and
I'm
guessing,
especially
people
who
voted
you
know
would
like
to
see
it
and
make
sure
that
those
changes
are
in
there.
So.
K
J
Well,
let
me
let
me
amend
my
motions
if
marketable.
Second,
I
move
that
we
authorize
the
chief
and
the
rest
of
the
city
staff
to
enter
into
an
agreement
informing
content
similar
to
what
was
in
the
council
packet
save
for
the
amendments
that
were
discussed
between
aaron
and
the
chief
a
few
moments
ago.
J
I
would
propose
that
we
not
vote
in
my
motion
that
we
would
not
need
to
see
the
agreement
again,
but
we
would
ask
that
the
chief
or
someone
from
mario
staff
send
us
the
agreement
after
it's
finalized
just
as
an
information
item.
It
is
a
terminal
agreement.
So
if
we
hate
it,
we
can
come
back
and
call
that
back
up
and
say:
listen,
we
hated
what
you
wrote.
J
It
wasn't
what
aaron
said
and-
and
we
want
to
revisit
this,
but
I
don't
really
want
to
revisit
this
again,
because
I
think
that
the
suggestions
that
aaron
and
the
chief
made
are
good
ones,
and
I
trust
good
lawyers
will
write
down
faithfully
what
they
said.
So
I'd
like
to
see
it
approved
tonight.
If
mark
would
second
that
motion,
I
will
second,
it.
K
K
That
seems
a
little
bit
cumbersome,
so
I
haven't,
I
think,
as
as
my
colleague
mark
wallick
said,
I
don't
think
we
usually
see
these,
so
I
don't
think
we've
done
this
exact
discussion
or
I
don't
know
what
the
protocols
need
to
be.
I
would
like
to
see
it.
C
G
Yes,
that's
right
mayor
in
order
for
you
ultimately
to
sign
as
as
authorized
by
council.
All
of
those
amendments
would
need
to
be
incorporated
into
the
agreement
absent
those
you
would
not
have
councils
backing
or
authority
to
sign
on
behalf
of
the
city.
C
All
right,
any
last
things
tear
your
hands
up.
Is
that
an
old
hand
hold
on
okay,
I
think
alicia,
I
think,
is
this.
A
roll
call
vote
that
I
see.
K
B
J
B
C
All
right,
well,
everyone!
I
know
that
that
discussion
got
to
some
of
our
core
values
as
a
community
and-
and
I
really
appreciate
the
the
detailed
discussion
of
those.
So
thanks
to
everyone,
the
community
members
who
showed
up
departmental
members
who
talked
to
us
through
it
in
the
council,
discussion
and
teresa.
Are
you
going
to
tell
us
that
we
need
to
make
a
motion
to
continue
the
meeting.
G
C
And
before
we
do
that,
just
a
time
check,
we
got
the
the
downtown
station
update.
We've
had
garrett
who's,
just
sat
here
for
hours
waiting
for
us
patiently
and
thank
you
for
that
carrot,
as
well
as
the
board
and
commission
update.
I
you
know,
while
it
would
be
great
to
to
be
done,
I
won't
really
want
to
honor
garrett's
time
and
give
the
chance
to
make
the
update
if
council
is
willing.
So
if
somebody
somebody
can
disagree,
but
maybe
someone
could
make
a
motion
to
extend
the
meeting.
C
Looks
like
at
least
six
of
us
are
willing.
We
do
it
right
garrett,
you
win
the
the
patience
award.
Tell
us
about
the
downtown
boulder
station,
update.
C
BB
BB
C
BB
See
there
we
go
so
the
background
and
purpose
of
the
project
is
to
increase
capacity
of
the
station.
The
the
expansion
of
the
regional
routes
along
state,
highway,
119
and
highway
7
are
contingent
upon
our
ability
to
be
able
to
provide
additional
capacity
at
the
station,
and
so
we
have
a
project.
That's
consistent
with
providing
the
fulfillment
of
the
northwest
area.
BB
So
the
existing
condition
conditions
at
the
station
are
such
that
the
number
of
routes
served
at
the
station
are
equal
to
and
the
the
union
station
in
denver.
However,
it's
happening
and
a
footprint
that's
about
half
the
size,
so
the
demand
is
more
prominent
here
than
than
it
is
in
just
about
anywhere
within
the
the
denver
service
area
of
rtd
and
so
there's
in
adequate
bus
service.
BB
BB
BB
Complete
street
study
the
then
there
was
also
a
downtown
station
feasibility
study
and
it
was
also
identified
in
the
2019-2020
transportation
master
plan
action
plan
as
an
effort
to
move
forward,
and
what
you
can
see
here
is
that
there
are
five
additional
gates:
three
on
the
east
side
of
14th
street
and
two
on
the
west
side
of
14th
street,
and
in
order
to
accommodate
this,
this
would
entail
the
elimination
of
18
single
vehicle
parking
spaces.
BB
Parallel
parking
spaces
on
14th
street
no
off
street
parking
would
be
removed.
It
also
entails
the
enhancement
of
providing
ticketing,
kiosks
bench
and
shelters,
as
well
as
wayfinding
opportunities
and
as
well,
providing
a
mid-block
crossing
that
aligns
with
the
white
rock
ditch,
also
known
as
the
boulder
slough.
It's
the
same
path
that
extends
eastward
from
the
tea
house
path.
BB
So
as
noted,
this
project
will
undergo
a
seep,
which
is
the
the
process
that
we
subject
our
capital
improvement
projects
to
to
make
sure
that
they
are
consistent
with
the
ideals
and
objectives
and
goals
of
the
boulder
valley.
Comp
plan,
as
well
as
the
transportation
master
plan,
and
because
the
the
implementation
of
five
gates
on
14th
street
is
fairly
straightforward
to
to
make
sure
that
this
process
was
genuine.
BB
We
didn't
see
it
necessary
to
create
a
whole
bunch
of
alternatives
that
weren't
really
feasible,
so
we
are
proposing
that
the
concept
will
be
compared
against
a
no
build
option,
and
so
that's
how
we'll
develop
the
seep
that
will
then
be
carried
forward
to
tab
and,
ultimately,
for
a
council.
Later
this
year,
we
have
already
had
an
information
session
back
in
the
fall,
and
what
we
heard
is
that
it's
important
to
provide
safety
for
older,
high
school
students
in
the
area
if
we're
providing
gates
there.
BB
We
expect
that
the
the
student
traffic
along
14th
street
will
increase
from
what
it
is
today
and
also
heard
that
it's
important
to
provide
amenities
along
14th
street,
as
well
as
extending
the
the
white
rock
pack
ditch
multi-use
path
to
provide
connectivity
toward
the
the
section
that
was
built
recently
15th
street
and
along
the
liquor
mart
along
the
section
that
they'll
be
constructing.
BB
We've
also
heard
that
the
there's
a
desire
to
provide
safer
pedestrian
crossings
were
possible
across
arapahoe,
as
well
as
canyon,
and
also
heard
some
concerns
about
parking
and
accessibility
to
the
farmers
market
on
on
wednesday
and
evenings
and
saturday
mornings.
If
we're
eliminating
parking,
what
that
might
mean
in
terms
of
access,
so
we
will
be
holding
some
additional
stakeholder
engagement
meetings
with
all
these
entities
as
the
the
design
develops.
BB
So
our
next
steps
is
to
continue
community
engagement
this
this
spring
and
then
move
forward
with
a
seep
recommendation
and
bring
that
into
city
council
later
this
summer
and
then,
after
the
approval
of
the
seat,
work
on
the
final
design
and
approvals
and
then
get
into
construction
by
fall
of
2023,
and
that
is
the
the
overview
of
the
the
project.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
C
J
Hey
garrett,
thanks
for
staying
at
you,
probably
learning
more
about
policing
than
you
could
ever
have
learned,
but
thanks
for
hanging
there
with
us
just
a
really
quick
question.
Thanks
for
that
great
presentation,
thanks
for
being
prompted,
can
you
expand
a
little
bit
more
on
how
the
planning
around
this
will
coordinate
with
any
playing
that
we're
going
to
do
around
the
east
book
and,
as
you
know,
we're
going
to
we're
developing
these
book,
and
I
I
know
that
this
won't
interfere
with
that
or
or
or
prevent
or
foreclose
advancements.
J
But
do
you
see
any
type
of
interaction
between
the
city,
transportation,
department,
rtd
and
and
the
folks
in
the
city
staff
that
will
be
kind
of
envisioning
with
that
that
block
immediately
to
the
west,
where
the
buses
will
park
we'll
come
together.
BB
Yes,
we
actually
have
had
a
couple
of
meetings
with
the
planning
and
development
services
department
about
this
project
and
how
we
can
integrate
the
enhancements
that
we
are
looking
at
and
to
any
of
the
land
use
planning.
That
they've
are
considering
for
the
east
book
in.
AC
Yeah,
just
a
quick
question.
First,
I'm
super
excited
about
this.
I
love
moving
toward
a
more
public
transit
oriented
future.
This
is
great,
so
I
was
just
hearing
this
week
about
rtd.
Service
cuts,
funding
issues
that
they're.
Having
does
any
of
this
impact
that
project
at
all.
BB
That
is
an
interesting
situation
that
we're
in.
In
fact,
there
was
some
discussion
as
a
department
as
and
with
tab
as
to
whether
this
project
should
even
carry
forward
given
the
significant
reductions
and
ridership,
as
well
as
service,
that's
being
offered
by
rtd.
BB
Our
thought
is
that
that
that
the
demand
for
this
service,
it
might
have
waned
a
bit
here
in
this
cobit
period,
but
it's
likely
to
return
and
whether
that
service
is
delivered
by
rtd
or
by
some
other
agency
or
entity.
The
demand
is
likely
to
be
there
and
that
we
should
carry
the
project
forward
to
be
consistent
with
our
overall
transportation
master
plan
goals
and
when
we
have
had
conversations
with
rtd.
BB
Also
because,
frankly,
there
are
a
number
of
challenges
operationally
with
having
gates
on
both
the
east
and
the
west
side,
and
we
have
explored
with
them
potentially
only
implementing
gates
on
one
side
of
the
street.
Their
long-range
planners
were
adamant
that
we
needed
these
five
gates
immediate,
as
soon
as
we
can
get
them
so
that
I
think,
speaks
to
their
their
vision
of
the
near-term
needs.
L
Garrett,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
for
so
long,
and
forgive
me
if
you
answered
this
question
already,
I'm
trying
really
hard
to
focus
it's
pretty
late.
Is
this
going
to
in
any
way
affect
the
parking
lot
that
is
right
near
this
building,
we're
not
going
to
lose
that
are
we
or
no.
BB
Y
Lauren
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you.
I
think
that
these
design
enhancements,
particularly
the
addition
of
green
space
in
that
area,
is
going
to
be
a
huge
improvement
and
given
tree
canopy
for
heat
island
effect
and
air
quality
and
sort
of
the
demographics
of
bus
ridership,
and
all
of
that,
I
think
that
this
is
absolutely
something
that
we
should
move
forward
with,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
it
constructed.
Thank
you.
AC
C
Yeah
now
I'll
just
add
in
echo
what
lauren
and
others
have
said,
looks
like
a
great
plan
and
we
do
need
to
get
out
ahead
of
this
increasing
brt
that
we're
looking
forward
to
bringing
into
downtown
over
the
next
few
years
from
along
119
and
state
highway,
7
and
so
great
to
see
this.
This
planning
move
forward,
and
you
know
one
of
these
days
we're
going
to
get
through
the
pandemic
and
transit
ridership
is
going
to
come
back
up,
but
it's
a
critical
tool
for
our
community
and
climate
transportation.
C
Everything
else
so
and
yeah,
seeing
nobody
else,
just
huge
thanks
again
for
sticking
with
us
and
for
all
your
work
on
this
project
and
erica.
Also,
I
see
you
here
thanks
for
being
here
and
talking
this
through
with
us.
C
Absolutely
okay:
well,
we
got
got
a
couple
things
left.
I
just
want
to
see
if
these
can
wait
a
week
or
not,
one
of
them
is
talking
about
the
march
22nd
meeting
or
not
in
what
we
do,
then.
Is
that
something
that
we
could
talk
over
at
the
study
session
next
week?
With
that
timing,
work.
U
It
certainly
could
mayor
and
in
fact
it
might
work
best
because
we're
still
ascertaining
some
of
the
family's
wishes
and
they've
asked
for
just
a
little
time
to
think
about
what
they
really
want
to
do
moving
forward.
So.
C
That's
a
critically
important
piece
of
this
decision
and
process.
So
if,
as
long
as
nobody
disagrees,
we'll
move
that
to
next
week
and
the
one
other
one
is,
the
boards
and
commissions
update
turn
learn.
Do
you
want
to
tackle
that
tonight
or
do
we
want
to
wait
a
week.
Y
L
L
L
Thank
you
to
taylor,
pam
and
all
the
staff
that
work
with
lauren
and
I
to
be
to
come
up
with
these
new
ideas.
But
since
this
is
something
new
I
we
imagine
it
might
not
go
100
smoothly
as
no
new
implementation
does.
So,
if
we
think
of
it
as
a
pilot
program
to
be
improved
in
future
years.
That
might
be
good
in
the
in
the
spring
or
summer
of
this
year.
L
Lauren
and
I
are
going
to
present
some
more
exciting
changes
to
boards
and
commissions,
but
for
the
sake
of
the
deadlines,
are
under
we're
only
going
to
concentrate
tonight
on
the
interview
and
appointment
processes
for
right
now
and
I
think
pam
lauren
and
I
will
take
any
questions
at
the
end.
If
there
are
any
questions
because
it
might
be
like
midnight,
so
there
might
not
be
any
questions
all
right
slide.
One
board
and
commission
interview
proposal.
L
Okay,
move
on
to
slide
two
okay
slide,
two.
So,
instead
of
me
reading
this
slide,
I'm
sure
you're
able
to
read
it
yourself
without
my
help.
So
I
am
going
to
summarize
the
summary
so
february.
21St
is
the
application
deadline
for
those
that
are
applying
for
the
boards
and
commissions
february.
24Th
is
when
the
interviewing
schedule
scheduling
poll
will
be
sent
out
to
applicants,
but
this
year
we're
going
to
do
some
things
differently.
L
If
it's
okay
with
council
the
week
of
february
28th,
we
would
have
individual
15-minute
zoom
interviews,
which
would
include
one
applicant,
two
council
members
and
one
staff
member
from
the
particular
department
per
interview,
and
so
how
it
would
work
is
staff
would
randomly
pick
two
of
us
together,
two
of
us
counsel,
people
per
board.
So,
for
instance,
let's
say
lauren
and
I
get
chosen
to
do
the
interviews
for
the
parks
and
rec
board.
L
The
applicant
can
ask
a
question
as
well,
so
that's
why
we
want
a
staff
member
there
so
from
that
particular
department.
So
they
can
answer
that
question
and
all
the
interviews
would
be
recorded
and
then
our
march
8th,
we'll
have
council
assessments
and
nominations,
and
the
city
council
members
assigned
to
the
particular
boards
would
so,
for
instance,
let's
say
lauren
and
I
we
would
be
doing
parks
we
would
bring
forth
a
nomination
and
any
other
city
council
member
can
also
bring
forth
their
nominations.
L
As
the
city
council
will
be
able
to
watch
the
taped
interviews,
which
will
be
hopefully
finished
according
to
pam
the
friday
before
the
weekend
of
march
5th
and
then
on
march
15th,
we
finalized
the
nomination.
So
now,
let's
look
at
the
slides,
because
taylor
worked
really
hard
on
them.
So
that's
why
we're
doing
it
slide?
Number
three
february:
21st
application
deadline-
if
you
guys
want
to
all
take
a
second
to
read
it
city
clerk's
office,
to
review
applications
to
ensure
basic
qualifications,
are
met
and
identify
any
disqualified
applicants.
L
And
excuse
me,
if
I'm
reading
it
wrong
slide
four
february
24th
interview,
scheduling
poll
to
be
sent
out.
Council
pairs
would
be
assigned
randomly,
but
just
so
you
know
fyi
there
there
will
be.
We
won't
know
till
then
how
many
people
are
going
to
apply
for
each
board,
so
the
council
people
we
will
divide
the
ones
with
the
a
great
amount
of
applicants
versus
the
one
with
less
applicants.
L
Y
Long
one,
okay,
so
the
idea
is
that
these
two
council
members
and
a
staff
member
would
individually
interview
so
one
interviewee
at
a
time
and
again
about
15
minute
interviews.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
would
add
that
the
council
members
would
ask
two
questions
provided
in
advance
and
that
the
candidate
would
also
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions,
probably
of
the
staff
member
to
try
and
sort
of
build
that
you
know
better
understanding
of
what
they're
signing
up
for
and
everything
there's
also.
Y
So
we
would
we're
sort
of
proposing
that
staff
would
come
up
with
a
list
of
questions,
and
then
we
we
had
two
options
for
how
that
gets
narrowed
down.
One
is
you
know
me
and
tara
could
pick
the
two
council
people
appointed
to
that
board
or
commission
could
pick
or
we
could
also
provide
the
applicants
with
more
than
just
two
questions,
and
we
could
let
them
decide
what
question
they
wanted
to
answer
from
a
short
list.
Y
I
I'm
leaning
towards
this
last
one
in
terms
of
my
preference
just
because
then
people
get
to
highlight
the
thing
that
they
are
most
excited
about,
or
you
know
that
they
feel,
like
might
be
most
important
to
counsel
you.
You
know
you
get
you
get
more
than
just
their
answer.
You
get
the
sense
of
what
they
think.
They
should
tell
you
about
themselves.
Y
Y
And
so
those
recordings
would
be
provided
around
the
5th
and
the
8th.
We
would
have
our
discussion
where
people
would
nominate
the
candidates
that
they
would
like
from
the
board.
So
the
people
who
did
the
interviews
would
nominate
people
and
then
any
additional
council
members
could
also
nominate
people
but
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
at
the
end
of
the
eight
our
meeting
on
the
eighth.
We
will
have
a
list
of
all
the
nominated
candidates
for
each
board
and
that
will
will
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
L
So
that
means
that
we
have
to
have
the
week
of
february
28th
pretty
flexible
for
all
of
those
individual
meetings
that
we're
going
to
have
the
app
with
the
applicants
and
also
the
weekend
of
march
5th.
That's
going
to
be
a
big
meeting
for
us
to
be
able
to
watch
all
of
us
that
want
to
watch
any
any
interviews
besides
the
ones
we're
involved
in
will
need
that
weekend
to
really
spend
a
lot
of
time.
Doing
that,
but
also
on
the
good
part,
is
let's
say
me
and
lauren
have
been
doing
parks.
L
We
don't
have
to
watch
those
interviews
because
we
were
there.
So
that's
some
less
interviews
that
we
need
to
watch
and
when
lauren
and
I
bring
forth
our
let's
say
we
say
I
like
joe
and
lawrence
and
she
likes
sally.
L
We
can
either
agree
on
the
applicant
that
we
bring
forth
on
march
8th
or
we
can
just
have
two
separate
applicants
and
then,
of
course,
if
matt
says
I
like
sam,
he
can
bring
that
forth
on
march
8th
as
well.
However,
many
of
you
want
to
watch
those
interviews
of
the
most
important
commissions
and
boards
to
you
where
you,
where
you're
the
most
interested
or
most
invested,
then
you
you
can
do
that
as
well
and
then
we're
all
involved.
Okay,
did
I
say
that
right,
lauren.
Y
Y
You
know
the
section
of
interviews
related
to
that
board
and
commission
so
that
they
could
potentially
watch
them
and
make
recommendations
to
if
they
wished
to
to
counsel
just
you
know
they
could
write
an
email
saying
this
board,
I'm
a
member
of
this
board
and
I'd
really
love
this
person
to
get
nominated
whatever.
C
J
J
I
think
that
time
spent
with
the
candidates
will
be
more
meaningful
and
I
think
we'd
all
rather
do
three
or
four
sets
of
interviews
rather
than
20
sets
of
interviews
the
two
I'd
like
to
make
two
suggestions
or
two
slight
modifications:
one:
if
staff
can
qualify
the
candidates
a
little
faster
than
three
days,
we
have
applications
rolling
in
right
now
and
they
can
be
qualifying
those
as
they
roll
in
they
don't
wait
till
all
the
applications
are
in
to
qualify
people
historically,
we've
had
far
fewer
than
10
percent
of
the
applicants
not
qualified.
J
J
I
realize
it'll
be
a
mad
scramble,
but
if
we
could
get
assigned
people
assigned
our
respective
boards
and
get
going
on
the
interviews
sooner
or
later
would
be
great,
because
I
think
you've
only
allowed
us
five
days
to
do
all
these
interviews
from
monday
through
the
28th.
The
next
day
is
march
1
and
we're
supposed
to
be
done
by
march
4th
or
5th.
So
that's
probably
not
enough
time.
We
may
have
some
council
members
run
available.
J
We
may
have
some
applicants
who
are
unavailable,
so
I'd
suggest
as
soon
as
staff
can
release
applications
to
a
couple
of
council
members
on
the
22nd
or
23rd.
So
we
all
can
get
going.
That
would
be
great.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
all
at
once.
We
would
have
to
wait
for
all
20
20
boards
to
be
qualified
and
all
20
boards
to
be
assigned.
We
can
just
do
them
serial
22nd,
23rd
24th.
J
The
second
suggestion
I
would
like
to
make
is
that,
and
I
see
lucious
popped
up,
so
she
probably
is
going
to
tell
me
why,
but
I
just
said:
does
it
make
sense?
Staff
can
help
us
with
that.
Second
thing
I'd
like
to
suggest
is:
well
I
like
the
idea
of
getting
a
preview
of
recommendations
on
the
eighth.
I
don't
think
we
should
limit
the
people
who
are
actually
nominated
to
those
that
are
mentioned
out
a
lot
of
these
for
a
couple
reasons.
J
First
of
all,
it's
a
study
session,
so
we
can
I'm
not
sure
we
can
even
really
nominate
people,
but
but
but
I'd
love
to
hear
the
recommendations
of
the
interviewers
about
who
they
interviewed.
If
they're
done
with
the
interviews,
but
I
can
see
some
of
that
slipping
beyond
the
eighth.
I
could
see
other
council
members
wanting
to
add
names,
there's
always
lobbying
that
happens
in
the
past.
We
we
nominate
and
vote
on
the
very
same
night,
so
you've
just
taken
like
seven
minutes
of
reflection
and
turned
into
seven
days
of
reflection.
J
So
that's
great,
but
I
wouldn't
foreclose
the
possibility
that
if
two
interviewers
recommend
a
couple
people
for
a
boarded
commission,
I
wouldn't
foreclose
other
council
members
from
during
that
week
or
even
the
night
of
the
voting
from
nominating
somebody
else.
So
I
wouldn't
want
to
close
out
nominations
at
night,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
recommendations.
Those
are
my
two
suggestions.
B
Yeah,
excuse
me
sorry
about
that
everyone.
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
process
as
far
as
the
processing
of
the
applications
john
and
I
are
working
on
them
on
a
daily
basis
as
they
come
in
to
make
sure
we
verify
if
those
applicants
are
eligible
or
not
eligible
verifying
app.
You
know
the
addresses
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
not
a
process
that
we
wait
till
the
end
of
the
you
know
the
close,
the
application
recruitment
period
to
do
so.
B
We're
constantly
doing
that
on
a
daily
bas
basis,
checking
applications,
downloading
them,
making
sure
they're
pdf
and
also
making
sure
that
they're
redacted
and
all
that
information
is
correct
before
we
put
the
packet
together
so
once
they
do
close,
we'll
be
ready
to
go
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
guys
know.
We.
B
AN
Okay,
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
so,
for
instance,
you
mentioned
the
parks
board
or
the
transportation
boards.
Let's
say
me
and
lauren
I
get
the
transportation
board,
so
I
would
have
to
coordinate
with
staff
to
get
that
recorded
and
then
they
would
figure
out
where
it
goes
so
that
everyone
has
access
to
it.
AN
Y
Yeah
go
ahead,
lauren,
sorry,
so
they're
gonna
look
at
sort
of
the
number
of
applicants
we
get
for
each
board
and
try
and
break
it
up
so
that,
basically,
all
all
council
members
are
doing
about
the
same
number
of
total
interviews,
then
and
they're
going
to
ask
for
our
availability
during
that
week
and
then
they're
going
to
schedule
work
with
your
schedule
and
the
interviewee's
schedule
to
try
and
find
the
times
to
do
the
recordings.
AN
Okay-
and
I
do
have
another
question-
I
think
my
question
is
around
that
I'm
wondering
if
this
particular
process
of
this
way
of
doing
things
facilitate
things
for
staff
or
does
it
make
it?
I
think
that's
a
question
to
to
noria
or
to
johnson
alicia
alicia
to
answer
if
that
somehow
makes
it
easier.
AN
B
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
say
right
now
I'll
go
ahead
and
start,
but
right
now
I
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
going
to
be
easier
or
not,
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
what's
easier
and
best
for
you
in
order
for
you
to
make
the
best
decision
in
the
short
amount
of
time
that
we
have
allocated
for
this
process,
we
won't
know
if
it'll
be
easier
or
more
difficult
until
after
we
try
it
because
again,
it
is
a
pilot,
but
I
think
just
having
that
combined
effort
to
get
it
done
in
at
different
times
versus
making
sure
we
have
the
list
ready
and
rushing
through
the
interviews.
BC
We
are
in
this
process
and
I
think
lauren
and
tara
alluded
to
this
in
the
intro.
It's
a
bit
of
an
experiment.
We
are
trying
to
balance
between
making
the
interview
process
as
accessible
to
our
residents
as
possible
to
become
part
of
our
boards
and
commissions
as
a
stated
goal
of
counsel
in
our
racial
equity
plan
and,
on
the
other
hand,
recognizing
the
limitations
of
schedules
timelines.
BC
AN
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
think
my
last
question
is
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
the
nomination
process,
and
I
think
maybe
that
might
be
a
question
to
all
the
council
members
here
and
my
experience,
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
my
experience
on
the
reimagining
policing.
AN
Somehow
me
and
bob
just
colluded
to
make
to
pick
people
we
want
or
friends
or
people
who
we
are
lied
to.
AN
So
my
question,
maybe
to
all
of
you
here
who
are
council
members,
how
will
you
ensure
that
people
get
a
fair
chance
in
a
fair
process,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
I
believe
when
I
first
got
on
council
that
rachel
has
mentioned
a
few
times
that
sometimes
these
nomination
processes
gets
to
be
very,
very
political.
I've
done
my
best
to
just
listen
to
people
and
try
to
get
you
know.
AN
Y
L
Y
Ahead
lauren,
so
the
intention
is
not
that
those
are
the
only
two
people
picking
it's
just
that
those
are
the
people
who
are
guaranteed
to
have
watched
all
of
those
interviews.
So
any
other
council
person-
and
you
know
I
would
recommend
that
people
do
watch
more
than
just
what
they
get
assigned
to.
But
any
other
council
person
can
make
additional
recommendations.
Y
Y
The
idea
was
in
separating
sort
of
the
nomination
process
from
the
final
vote
was
so
that
it
would
give
everyone
time
to
make
sure
and
watch
the
interviews
for
everyone
who's
nominated,
because
maybe
you
know
you're
the
crazy
person
who
doesn't
care
about
parks
and
boulder
and
you're
just
like
I'm,
not
gonna
watch
any
of
those
and
but
then
you
know,
there's
three
different
people
recommended
and
you
might
not
have
had
enough
interest
to
watch
all
of
the
interviews,
but
maybe
enough
to
to
make
sure
that
you're
gonna
watch
those
three
so
that
you
can
vote
smartly.
K
K
I
guess
I
would
just
say
something
doesn't
quite
sit
right
with
us
pre-vetting
for
each
other,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
for
the
reasons
you
know.
Juni
has
described
that
I
also
had
with
the
police
master
plan,
and
it
was
just
that
I
see
that
as
part
of
our
job
as
each
of
us
vetting
everything
independently.
K
So
it
seems
like
on
sort
of
both
sides
of
that
from
the
community
member
side,
like
it's
a
little
bit
luck
of
the
draw
who
does
your
interviews
and
then
there's
some
pre-screening,
which
is
sort
of
what
I
feel
like.
I
I
struggle
with
when
we
do
that.
I
think
we're
all
supposed
to
independently
evaluate
and
then
from
the
other
side
like
what,
if
I
don't
want
to
nominate
anyone
like
what,
if
I
don't
really
want
that
job
of
making
a
recommendation,
one
of
the
two
people
like.
Sometimes
I
don't
have
a
you
know.
K
I
don't
want
to
nominate
somebody
for
every
board,
and
so
I
get
that's
that's.
We
would
be
stepping
into
that,
but
sometimes
there
are
like
for
any
given
board.
I
think
people
who
are
more
or
less
passionate
about
that
board
and
maybe
make
more
sense
to
make
the
nominations
and-
and
so
I
I
don't
know-
there's
I
don't
know
if
it's,
if
it's
better
or
worse
but
something's,
not
quite
sitting
right
with
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
change
it.
So.
L
K
L
K
We
and
again
I
don't
want
it's,
not
it's
not
my
turn
yet,
but
I
think
maybe
we
should
all
have
to
watch
all
of
them
like
that
that
that
is
part
of
our
job
and
and
that
that
was
something
that
we
all
did
previously
and
I
get
the
advantage
to
to
not
doing
it
for
sure.
But
I
think
to
to
I
don't
know
it
seems
like
we
sort
of
owe
it
to
people
who
are
applying
to
to
give
everyone
a
fair
shot
from
each
nine
of
our
perspectives.
L
That's
fine
with
me:
it
doesn't
matter
whatever
the
wisdom
of
counsel
is
for
sure.
I
will
say
that
when
I
you
know,
I
I
applied
for
a
lot
of
boards
matt.
So
did
you
all
right?
So
what
I?
What
I
saw
was.
Let's
say
you
were
the
first
board
to
go
up.
Let's
say
there
was
like
five
people
sitting
there
times
two
nights
in
a
row
and
then
three
nights
later
you're
overwhelmed.
How
many
people
did
you
listen
to?
L
Do
you
really
remember
the
first
people
you
listened
to
so
in
a
way
this
is
better
because
you
could
actually
study
each
person,
as
opposed
to
like
hoping
that
you
stood
out
at
the
very
first
interview,
the
very
first
interviews
you
know-
and
I
think
often
of
introverts,
because
my
family,
I'm
a
huge
extrovert,
my
family's
introvert.
So
how
does
an
introvert
who's
really
qualified
stand
out?
L
That's
what
I
always
say,
because
thanks
to
my
kids
and
to
my
husband
who
were
so,
but
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
fine
and
I'm
sure,
lauren
right
is
and
pam
that
everybody
listens
to
them
or
listens
to
most
of
them.
I
don't
know
other
thoughts.
C
W
Thanks
erin
and
big
thanks
to
tara
and
lauren
for
putting
this
together
changing
a
process-
that's
been
long-standing
like
this
in
our
community,
takes,
takes
quite
a
bit
of
thought.
So
I
appreciate
you
guys
sinking
your
teeth
into
this
and
the
fact
that
it,
you
know
it's
a
pilot.
We're
gonna,
give
this
a
shot,
I'm
okay,
not
having
to
perfectly
parse
out
every
single
nuance.
Things
are
subject
to
change,
probably
on
the
back
side
as
we
learn
what
works
and
what
doesn't
so.
I
like
where
we're
headed.
W
This
can
be
a
good
thing
to
try
and
I,
like
the
flexibility,
I
will
just
sort
of
bring
up
an
issue
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
historical
precedent
is
for
this,
but
regarding
current
boards
and
commissions
weighing
in
or
giving
recommendations
has
that
something
we've
invited
boards
and
commissions
existing
ones
to
do
in
the
past.
Is
that
sort
of
an
unwritten
faux
pas,
or
is
that
welcome?
W
So
I
would
just
love
some
more
information
about
that
and
maybe
I'll
stop
with
that
question
and
then
I
do
have
two
little
processed
things
that
I'd
like
to
plant
a
seed
on
for
maybe
a
future
conversation
but
just
plant
it
while
I
got
the
mic.
So
if
there's
an
answer
to
the
boards
and
commissions
weighing
in
I'd
love
to
know
what
the
president
is.
C
W
All
right,
well,
I
mean,
given
that
there's
not
one,
either
way:
yeah,
I'm
okay
with
that
either
way.
So
just
real
quick.
I
want
to
plant
two
processed
seeds
and
we're
gonna
get
the
process
in
june.
But
since
we're
talking
boards
and
commissions,
it's
a
specific
process
regarding
it
and
it
really
centers
around
one.
Maybe
just
thinking
about
us
creating
actually
some
guided
work
plans
for
boards
and
commissions.
We
got
some
boards
that
are
over
achieving
and
are
on
point.
W
Others
seem
like
they're
kind
of
drifting
a
little
and
some
maybe
a
little
too
focused
on
on
things
that
aren't
necessarily
their
focus.
So
I
think
maybe
thinking
about
how
we
can
help
ourselves,
as
council
refine
some
of
their
work
to
get
into
some
alignment
and
keep
them
sort
of
on
that
general
task,
and
then
also
it's
been
brought
up
by
a
few
folks.
W
But
thinking
about
a
council
liaison
to
these
boards
might
be
a
helpful
way
to
kind
of
maintain
some
of
that
synergy
between
ourselves
and
those
boards
going
forward
and
creating
that
constant
check-in,
so
just
want
to
plant
the
seed
process.
Obviously
no
decision
made,
but
I
don't
want
to
wait
necessarily
june
since
we're
going
to
be
appointing
these
brand
new
boards.
W
Some
of
these
might
be
things
we
want
to
have
in
place
pretty
early
on
in
a
new
board's
tenure
so
and
just
plant
the
seed
out
for
everyone
and,
if
there's
process
to
discuss
later
on.
I
welcome
that.
Thank
you.
AC
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
tara,
pam
lauren,
for
coming
up
with
this
pilot
idea.
I
I'm
I'm
really
intrigued
by
it
and
I'm
eager
to
try
it
and
that's
sort
of
where,
just
to
echo
matt
a
bit
I
I
would
really
just
love
to
try
this,
and
you
know
we
kind
of
see
how
it
goes.
I
see
you
know
having
just
a
couple
of
us
assigned
to
each
board
and
commission
almost
like
a
hiring
committee
right.
AC
If
this
were
for
any
other
position,
you
wouldn't
necessarily
have
everybody
in
the
organization
or
you
know,
even
in
the
department
interviewing
people
right.
So
I
I
think
it's
it's
something
to
try
and
I
just
want
to
recognize
that
we're
like
one
minute
away
from
midnight
and
lauren
and
tara
and
pam
put
a
ton
of
thought
into
this
when
they
weren't
super
tired.
AC
C
Great
rachel
and
I
I'll
offer
something.
K
My
other
question
was
just:
how
did
you
land
on
15
minutes?
That's,
that's
seems
a
lot
longer
than
previous
interviews
and
I
think
we'll
so.
K
So
just
my
two
concerns
for
those
who
do
want
to
watch
all
the
interviews.
That's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
a
lot
more
time
than
previously
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
time
for
applicants,
and
it's
going
to
be,
I
would
think
required
more
time
for
staff
like
if
we've
tripled
the
the
volume
of
time
that
they're
doing
these
interviews-
and
I
think
one
of
our
goals
was
to
sort
of
streamline
and
partly
make
this
easier.
So
just
wondering
how'd,
you
guys,
how
did
you
all
get
to
15
minutes.
L
BC
BC
You
know
the
trade-off
between
the
applicant
getting
one-on-one
time
with
council
members
and
being
able
to
ask
a
question
in
response
about
their
service
on
a
border
commission
versus
the
trade-off
of
time
of
council
members
needing
to
review
based
on
our
current
process,
which
is
that
council
members
make.
BC
All
of
these
appointments,
which
I
know
kind
of
in
the
back
of
house-
is
an
ongoing
conversation
about
what
is
the
appointment
process
right
for
boards
and
commissions
moving
forward,
so
that
trade-off
of,
if
I'm,
an
individual
and
and
council's
feedback
at
a
previous
council
meeting
recently
around
this
process
was
the
group
interview.
BC
Format
is
not
effective
for
you
all
engaging
because
you
ask
the
same
question
to
eight
people
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
eighth
person,
you've
sort
of
heard
the
same
response
eight
times,
and
so
the
idea
was
to
have
a
more
individual
setting,
just
as
tara
alluded
to
when
you
have
an
individual
zoom
meeting,
someone's
one
minute
late,
you
know,
there's
the
sound
check.
BC
You
ask
a
question:
it's
to
schedule,
something
within
a
shorter
time
frame
of
15
minutes,
the
group
kind
of
identified,
like
less
than
that
you
start
to
run
the
risk
of
you
know
five
minutes
here:
five
minutes
there
and
your
whole
timeline
is
off,
and
so
the
idea
of
having
that
buffer
was
important.
I
think
to
folks
you
know,
I
think
we
we
had
put.
We
had
a
more
detailed
document.
We
were
working
on
and
I
think
the
the
idea
you
know,
could
we
cluster
twos
and
threes
depending
on
the
board.
BC
I
think
the
hard
part
of
developing
a
process
before
we
know
the
candidate
pool
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
for
this
recruitment
period.
It's
a
challenge.
Right
now
we
have
19
applicants
total
across
all
boards
and
commissions.
The
deadline
is
20
days
away
again,
it's
a
trade-off
between
the
length
of
the
deadline
of
the
application
timeline
and
the
deadline
that
we
need
to
appoint
folks
by.
BC
So
I
think
that's
that's
the
issue
in
front
of
us
and,
as
we
talked
through
those
trade-offs,
this
proposal
is
what
we
we
resulted
in
and
we're
happy
to
adapt
it,
and
we
have
just
shy
of
three
weeks
between
now
and
the
application
deadline
to
sort
of
make
some
adjustments.
L
Pam,
I
think
if
we
did
10
minute
interviews,
which
would
be
shorter
for
the
people
to
watch,
we'd
still
have
15
minute
blocks
because
we'd
still
have
the
person
saying
you
hear
me
and
then,
by
the
time
they're
done,
we
probably
do
need
five
minutes
from
there
till
the
next
person.
So
what
about
we
make
15
minute
blocks,
but
only
10
minute
interviews.
K
Sarah
that
it
sounds
like
it,
you
might
be
able
to
trim
it
for
the
parts
that
people
are
watching.
So
I
don't
know
how
many
minutes
are
going
to
be
for
each
question,
but
that
sounds
more
doable
for
sure
for
everyone.
C
Yeah
and
I'll
agree
with
that,
because
I
was
gonna
say
very
similar
like
that
you
you,
people
get
started
you're
like
okay.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
how
are
you
doing?
Okay,
pretty
good
boy
sure
is
snowy
out
there
all
right.
Okay,
we're
gonna
hit
record
now
boom.
All
right
so
tell
us
about
yourself
right
and
then
at
the
end,
you
go
okay,
recording
off!
Well
thanks!
So
much
for
doing
that,
yeah
you're
really
getting
right,
so
you
can
have
the
minute
or
two
on
either
end
not
be
part
of.
C
What's
recorded,
that
the
the
whole
council
watches
it
could
get
you
down
closer
to
the
10
minutes
of
recordings.
BC
I
think
we
could
achieve
that
with
some
conversation,
with
our
engagement
support
for
the
interviews
on
sort
of
when
to
hit
the
button.
I
agree
we
did
have
a
conversation
with
the
communications
department.
We
will
not
be
doing
any
any
sort
of
editing
or
cropping
of
the
recordings
only
because
the
time
intensity
of
video
editing
is
a
whole
other
ball
game
and
it's.
C
Yeah
great
well
I'll,
just
just
I'll
say
it
sounds
like
people
are
generally
interested
in
this,
and
I
really
appreciate
lauren
and
tara
and
working
with
pam
and
others
to
put
it
together.
C
I'm
hearing
still
like
maybe
a
little
interest
in
thinking
about
how
we
do
the
nomination
process,
but
I
I
wonder,
maybe
if
we
can
give
the
green
light
to
proceed
tonight
with
this
general
approach
and
then
maybe
we
dial
back
in
in
a
couple
weeks
to
check
in
about
exactly
how
nominations
work,
because
that's
the
one
area
where
I'm
hearing
some
concerns,
but
it
is
1205
and
I
don't
feel
like
we're
going
to
pin
it
to
the
ground
perfectly
tonight.
Y
Y
So
and
matt
brought
this
up
having
the
liaisons
to
the
boards
and
commissions
we're
sort
of
thinking
that
eventually,
this
fits
into
that
plan,
where
the
liaisons
to
the
boards
and
commissions
would
be
the
people
doing
the
interviews
for
those
boards
and
commission
like
in
future
years.
We
just
don't
have
the
time
right
now
to
kind
of
go
through
the
political
of
like
appointing
who
to
what,
and
so
so.
The
thinking
was
like
in
the
future.
Y
J
AN
Genie
bob.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
thought
is,
however,
we
choose
to
move
forward
with
this.
Maybe
we
might
consider
adding
a
question
about
when
people
are
available,
because
since
this
will
be
based
on
two
on
two
meetings
and
I'm
mostly
available
on
the
weekends
and
might
be
available
some
nights
and
not
all
nights
and
there's
no
way,
I
can
it'll
be
it'll,
be
very
difficult
to
be
available
between
the
nine
to
five
hours.
So
I
think,
having
somehow
to
figure
that
out
before
we
get
the
groups
of
people
will
be
very
helpful.
AN
AN
AN
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
have
made
an
appointment
to
this
board,
for
tara
might
have
been
the
last
person.
We
pointed
this
board
and
that
was
like
2016
or
2017..
We
haven't
appointed
anyone
to
this
board
for
four
or
five
years.
We
technically
have
five
vacancies
on
the
board.
We
haven't
filled,
we
haven't
received
applications
or
made
any
appointments
for
several
years,
and
but
we
still
have
it
listed
as
a
board
and
there's
applications
up
there
and
there
may
be.
AN
Somebody
do
busily
filling
out
their
application
right
now
at
this
very
moment,
and-
and
we
had
that
problem
a
year
or
two
ago
and
a
couple
people
filled
out
applications
and
we
said:
oh
well,
we're
not
gonna,
really
appoint
anybody
so
to
to
prevent
that
disappointment
again
this
year,
I'd
like
the
council
to
agree
that
we're
not
going
to
appoint
anyone
to
the
urban
renewal
authority
this
year
or
for
the
foreseeable
future.
We
don't
have
to
abolish
it.
The
reason
why
we
haven't
appointed
anybody
for
a
long
time
it
hasn't
met.
AN
Is
there
some
changes
of
state
law
back
in
2015
that
may
effectively
made
vera
obsolete
and
purposeless
purposeless,
and
so
we
haven't
appointed
anybody
for
a
long
long
time,
but
it
still
exists
on
paper.
AN
AN
All
right
I
mean
I
hate
to
cut
us
off
early,
but
do
we
have
anything
else
to
talk
about
on
this
or
any
other
topic.
AN
I
do
want
to
say
one
more
thing
to
the
community
who
the
three
people
that
are
still
on:
are
there
three
in
the
community
that
we
as
a
council
want
to
get
to
know
our
boards
and
commissions
and
we're
committed
to
this
liaison
idea
as
well?
For
that
reason,
because
we
want
to
work
with
you
and
we
want
to
know
you
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
want
to
do
this-
liaison
idea
that
both
matt
and
lauren
spoke
about.
AN
I'm
sorry
this
morning,
just
adjourn
just
a
quick
before
we
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
say
the
city
is,
I
know
last
thing,
but
we
have
decided
because
of
weather
conditions
and
our
ability
to
keep
up
and
the
oncoming
weather
to
close
city
facilities
tomorrow,
press
release
will
go
out,
so
just
wanted
you
to
know,
and
then
just
a
shout
out
to
ryan
abernath
alba.
AN
What
is
your
last
name?
I'm
sorry
alba
harry,
who
is
still
at
city
hall,
sort
of
keeping
us
rolling
as
we
move
forward,
as
well
as
to
the
folks
that
have
been
running
the
screens,
brenda
and
taylor
in
the
background.