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B
Thank
you
so
much
well
good
evening.
This
is
the
March
9
2023
study
session
for
the
Boulder
City
Council.
My
name
is
Bob
Yates
and
we
all
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
evening.
B
We
may
have
some
folks
who
are
watching
the
study
session
tonight
that
are
not
regular
attendees
at
council
meeting,
so
I'll
explain
that
our
regular
meetings,
which
are
the
first
and
third
Thursdays
of
the
month,
are
led
by
our
mayor,
Aaron
Brockett
and
our
study
sessions
are
in
the
second
and
third
Thursdays
of
the
month
and
for
those
that
are
facilitated
by
a
revolving
line
of
the
rest
of
city
council.
So
it
falls
to
me
tonight
to
facilitate
this
particular
meeting
tonight.
We
have
two
items
on
the
agenda.
B
One
is
tribal
relations
and
consultation,
update
which
we'll
do
first,
and
our
second
and
last
item
will
be
occupancy,
reform
code,
changes
and
updates
before
we
get
to
those
two
items.
I
do
want
to
kind
of
outline
for
folks
who
are
watching
how
our
study
sessions
are
performed.
They're,
relatively
informal
and
Casual
we'll
have
presentations
by
our
city
staff
of
each
of
these
two
items
and
then
we'll
have
times
for
questions
and
and
feedback
on
each
of
these
two
items.
B
The
staff
is
actually
built
in
a
kind
of
a
mid
presentation,
break
and
so
for
questions,
and
so,
let's
Council
colleagues,
let's
give
staff
an
opportunity
to
get
through
the
first
kind
of
half
of
their
respective
presentations,
I.
Think
they're
going
to
take
an
opportunity
for
a
break
at
the
midterm.
We
can
jump
in
with
any
questions
we
have
at
that
point
in
time,
then
they'll
finish
their
presentations,
we'll
take
another
opportunity
for
questions
and
then
we'll
provide
some
input.
B
Feedback
direction,
as
Council
colleagues
would
like
and
I'll
try
to
Summarize
each
one
at
the
end
of
their
presentations
and
with
that
we'll
turn
over
to
to
our
city
manager,
Muriel,
Rivera,
vandermind
who's
going
to
present
or
introduce
the
staff
for
the
first
presentation
area.
D
Thank
you,
Bob
and
I'll
keep
my
introductions
on
both
items
pretty
sure,
but
really
just
wanted
to
lift
up
and
say
how
proud
I
am
of
a
city
that
really
leans
into
conversations
with
our
tribal
Nation
Partners,
in
the
way
that
it
does
the
staff
that
you're
about
to
hear
from
in
our
wonderful
guests
in
Mr,
Ernest
house,
Jr,
really
I,
think
worked
so
hard
and
I'm
I'm
so
awed
by
the
thoughtfulness
by
which
staff
does
this
work
with
our
tribal
Nation
Partners
and
acknowledges
the
fact
that
we
are
on
land.
E
Good
evening
Council,
and
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name-
is
Pam
Davis
I
serve
as
assistant
city
manager
and
I
use
she
her
pronouns
tonight.
We
are
really
thrilled,
as
Maria
mentioned,
to
provide
you
an
update
on
our
upcoming
consultation
with
tribal
Nations,
as
well
as
additional
engagement
opportunities
that
we
have
with
them
and
ongoing
projects
throughout
the
year.
So
I
would
ask
our
slideshow
be
pulled
up
and
we
will
get
started.
E
Join
with
me
tonight,
in
order
of
appearance,
you
will
hear
from
our
consultant
Ernest
house
Jr
from
the
Keystone
policies:
Center
Dan
Burke,
our
director
of
open
space
and
Mountain
parks,
along
with
his
teammate
Katie
Knapp.
We
also
have
Phil
Yates
from
our
Communications
and
engagement.
Department
I'd
also
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
mention
that
this
team
is
incredibly
supported
by
members
of
our
Equity
office,
our
city,
attorney's
office,
housing
and
Human
Services,
and
additional
administrative
staff
from
the
city
manager's
office.
E
E
Those
indigenous
Nations
include
the
Apache
Arapahoe
Cheyenne
Comanche,
Kiowa,
Pawnee,
Shoshone,
Sue
and
ute.
We
honor
and
respect
the
people
of
these
nations
and
their
ancestors.
We
also
recognize
that
indigenous
knowledge,
oral
histories
and
languages
handed
down
through
generations
have
shaped
profound
cultural
and
spiritual
connections
with
Boulder
area
lands
and
ecosystems,
connections
that
are
sustained
and
celebrated.
To
this
day,
the
city
of
Boulder
recognizes
that
those
now
living
and
working
on
these
ancestral
lands
have
a
responsibility
to
acknowledge
and
address
the
past.
E
We
must
not
only
acknowledge
our
past
but
work
to
build
a
more
just
future.
We
are
committed
to
taking
action
Beyond
these
words.
We
pledge
to
use
this
land
acknowledgment
to
help
Inspire
education
and
reflection
and
initiate
meaningful
action
to
help
support
indigenous
Nations
communities
and
organizations,
and
the
PowerPoint
you
see
does
have
a
link
on
it.
You
can
read
more
about
our
Boulder
staff
land
acknowledgment
by
searching
that
on
our
website
next
slide.
E
Please
tonight
up
first
we're
going
to
welcome
Ernest
house
Jr,
who
is
with
the
Keystone
policy
Center,
to
provide
with
you
a
general
overview
about
the
practice
of
tribal
consultation
and
some
history
and
and
connection
with
the
Boulder
Valley.
E
By
way
of
a
very
brief
introduction
and
we'll
get
more
into
detail
about
Boulder's
practices
following
ernest's
presentation,
we
just
want
to
share
our
eagerness
to
in
in
the
post-covered
pandemic.
World
welcome
back
tribal
nations
in
person
to
visit
the
city
of
Boulder
next
week
over
the
course
of
two
days
for
government
to
government
consultation,
listening
and
working
together
on
ongoing
agreements.
E
We
will
welcome
council
members
to
be
a
part
of
that
and
can
address
questions
related
to
those
Logistics
as
the
presentation
proceeds,
but
with
that
I'd
first
like
to
hand
over
the
mic
to
Ernest
to
again
provide
this
important
overview
for
all
of
you
about
the
practice
broadly
and
in
Boulder
Ernest.
F
Thank
you
Pam
again
Mike
deguvan
de
hoyak.
That
means
hello,
my
friends
in
Ute
again,
my
name
is
Ernest
house
Jr
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Ute
Mountain
Youth
tribe,
from
Southwestern
Colorado
and
I
serve
as
a
senior
policy
director
and
director
for
tribal
and
Indigenous
engagement
with
the
Keystone
policy.
F
Center
I
also
would
like
to
Echo
my
appreciation
to
to
you,
council
members,
to
the
city
staff
for
everybody
involved
at
my
work,
and
my
involvement
has
gone
back
since
2019,
but
actually
been
involved
with
conversations
with
community
of
of
Boulder
in
the
city,
going
back
to
2005,
with
Valmont
Butte
and
between
that
time,
and
this
time
I've
just
been
as
an
indigenous
person
as
a
member
of
the
u-tribe,
just
very
honored,
to
see
the
not
just
the
the
progress
but
the
commitment
that
it
has
taken
by
a
local
government
to
not
only
be
open
to
this
conversation
about
tribal
consultation
and
the
importance.
F
F
Please
next
slide
so
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
this,
and-
and
you
know
it's
going
to
be
I
apologize
for
some
of
the
redundancy
for
some
of
the
council
members
who've
seen
this
before
and
but
really
for
the
new
folks
to
be
able
to
introduce
you
to
tribal
consultation
and
how
it's
being
utilized
and
how
it's
being
done.
F
F
Really
that
I
want
you
to
know
that
Colorado's
American
Indian
population
is
about
two
percent
of
the
total
state
population,
those
that
identify
as
American
Indian,
Alaska
native
and
of
that
two
percent.
It's
actually
about
80
000,
American,
Indians
Statewide
in
all
64
counties.
But
of
that
population
over
80
percent
live
in
the
Denver
metro
area.
F
You
find
that
similar
movement
in
Salt,
Lake,
Phoenix
and
and
Albuquerque
and
other
urban
areas
around
the
west
and
around
the
United
States,
but
other
that
America
80
80
000
American
Indian
Alaska
native
population
that
actually
represents
over
150
tribes.
A
part
of
that
community
and
of
that
group,
the
Sioux,
Nations,
Lakota,
Dakota
and
no
Dakota
are
the
most
represented
and
Navajo
nations
are
some
of
the
fastest
growing.
Now.
F
The
reason
for
some
of
that
is
because
the
close
proximity
and
how
large
these
tribes
are
Navajo
Nation
over
250,
000
members
and
land
mass
larger
than
New
England,
so
we're
very
close
in
these
generally
in
these
areas,
and
especially
with
the
Dakotas
next
slide.
Please,
okay,
so
oftentimes
you'll
hear
the
state
refer
to
tribes
with
the
legacy
of
occupation
in
Colorado.
That
list
is
the
one
right
before
you.
These
are
48
historic
tribes
that
can
tie
and
who
continue
to
call
what
we
call
Colorado
home.
F
These
are
tribes
that
have
have
provided
a
preponderance
of
evidence
that
have
always
been
in
what
we
call
Colorado
since
time
immemorial,
and
so
this
list
actually
was
was
put
together
in
2007,
when
Colorado
became
the
first
state
to
create
agreements
with
state
with
tribes
that
one's
called
Colorado
home
that
were
forcibly
removed
over
the
last
150
years
to
other
states.
On
this
list
you
have
19
Pueblos
in
New
Mexico.
F
Some
of
these
tribes
are
in
Oklahoma
as
far
as
the
way
the
Dakotas
Montana,
so
there's
States
surrounding
Colorado,
but
treaties
forcibly
removed
these,
and
so
somebody
meant
made
a
mention
of
it
a
little
bit
ago
about
how
the
land
that
we
stand
on.
This
is
what
is
so
important
with
collaboration
co-management
conversation
around
land
back.
All
that
includes
communication
with
these
tribal
Nations
next
slide.
F
Please
so,
who
are
the
Utes
I
mean
I
talked
about
this
48,
this
48
historic
tribes
of
Colorado,
but
I
also
mentioned
that
we
have
two
federally
recognized
tribes
of
the
Ute
Mountain
Youth,
tribe
and
Southern
tribe.
The
Utes
are
what
Colorado
continues
to
call
the
oldest
continuous
residence
of
the
state
of
Colorado.
F
If
you
ask
archaeologists
and
anthropologists
we'll
tell
you
that
we've
been
in
what
we
call
Colorado
for
the
last
10
to
12
000
years,
if
you
ask
my
elders
well,
they'll
tell
you:
we've
been
here
since
time
in
Memorial,
but
really
the
seven.
There
were
barely
seven
bands
of
youths
historically
that
have
Consolidated
to
make
up
three
tribes
today
and
those
seven
bands
are
the
names
you
see
at
the
top.
F
Here
you
may
recognize
them
as
Forest
Management
areas,
or
sometimes
there
might
be
signage
of
women
which
Wilderness
they're,
actually
they
derived
from
Ute
names
which
have
Consolidated
to
make
up
the
true,
the
three
tribes.
Today,
the
Ute
Mountain
tribe,
which
is
my
tribe,
that
I'm
a
member
of,
is
in
toyot
Colorado,
south
of
Cortez.
It's
the
way
manuch
band
The,
Southern
Indian
tribe,
is
located
in
Ignacio
Colorado,
near
Durango,
Colorado,
the
Milwaukee
Capote
band
and
then
the
Indian
tribe,
which
is
located
in
Fort
Utah,
make
up
the
other
four
bands
next
slide.
F
F
So
it's
important
to
talk
about
just
with
the
Utes
I
mean
you
can
have
this
same
conversation
with
48
historic
of
the
40
historic
tribes,
but
we're
just
looking
at
the
U
tribes
here
and
Utes
were
known
for
our
where,
where
we
always
moved
with
the
game,
very
nomadic
and
a
lot
of
our
Trail
systems
are
now
highways
across
the
state
of
Colorado,
Colorado
Trail.
F
And
so
it's
really
important
that
you
know
we
still
have
hunting
blinds
still
standing
in
Rocky
Mountain,
National,
Park
Garden
of
the
Gods
had
its
last
Butte
celebration
or
youth
ceremony
in
the
early
1900s,
but
these
bands
would
consistently
live
in
these
areas.
So
there's
these
questions
about
place
names
now
or
what
would
you
call?
What
would
the
Utes
do
in
in
traditional
ecological
knowledge
in
the
Steamboat
Springs
area,
or
maybe
it's
in
the
Roaring
Fork
Valley?
F
Those
are
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
land
managers
are
having
right
now
and
it's
actually
Thai
to
the
conversation
that
Parks
and
Rec
has
been
doing
and
through
this
collaboration.
That's
why
it's
important
to
know
who
you're
talking
to,
because
if
you
automatically
talk
to
the
wee
manuch
band,
they
may
have
said
well,
we
actually
weren't
in
that
area.
F
You
need
to
be
talking
to
the
Yampa
or
the
Grand
River
Band,
and
that
kind
of
conversation,
unfortunately,
is
not
easily
available
or
readily
available
in
history
books
and
that's
part
of
the
process
of
trying
to
build
that
collaboration.
Next
slide,
please.
F
So
here
we
have
just
the
state
of
Colorado.
The
green
dots
are
just
highlighting
some
areas
that
that
we
may
know
as
Place
markers
next
slide
and
as
we
look
at
this
progression,
this
was
the
first
Ute
reservation
established
in
1868
on
the
Western
Slope
next
slide.
Please,
then,
you
can
start
to
see
portions
of
that
land
removed.
This
is
the
San
Juans
the
San
Juan
portion
was.
The
treaty
was
changed
to
make
way
for
mining
in
the
San
Juans
that
represents
over
400
miles
of
tunnels
in
areas
like
Silverton,
Ouray,
Telluride
and
so
on.
F
F
F
What
I
want
to
portray
here
is
it
is
the
importance
of
just
looking
at
one
of
the
tribes
of
of
the
48,
with
with
historical
connection
and
land
into
Colorado
for
tribes.
We've
been
here
since
time
immemorial
and,
let's
just
say
for
timeline's
sake,
let's
starting.
Let's
just
look
at
a
10
000
year
timeline
or
twelve
thousand
year
timeline.
F
That's
how
long
we've
been
hiking
through
these
areas,
we've
been
holding
ceremonies
in
all
parts
of
the
state
of
Colorado,
but
it
took
just
this
40
years
to
completely
be
removed
from
those
locations,
and
so
I
think
when
we
talk
about
tribal
consultation,
the
opportunity
to
bridge
that
and
to
return
back
to
these
places,
we
have
not
been
that's
why
it's
so
important,
because
150
years
is
just
a
very
it's
a
new
set
time.
That's
a
very
short
amount
of
time
when
you're
talking
about
ten
thousand
twelve
thousand
time,
Memorial
timeline
next
site,
please.
F
So
what
is
consultation
well,
tribal
consultation
is
the
open
and
mutual
exchange
of
information
integral
to
effective
collaboration,
participation,
informed
decision
making?
What
the
ultimate
goal
of
reaching
consensus
on
issues
is
going
to
be
redundant
in
some
of
these
sites,
so
I'll
make
sure
and
jump
over
that,
but
really
it
entails
that
development
of
relationship
based
on
trust,
where
trust
doesn't
exist
right.
We
have
to
start
building
that
up
and
to
understand
and
consider
any
effects
that
undertaking
may
have
on
both
parties.
F
It's
usually
a
convention
originating
from
the
trust
responsibility.
The
United
States
has
to
tribal
Nations
tribal
consultation
is
a
process
that
enables
tribal
communities
and
other
entities
and
systems
to
advance
that
well-being
of
tribal
communities,
and
then
the
last
element
is
essential,
essentially
really
to
have
meaningful.
Consultation,
includes
consensus-based
decision,
making
mutual
respect,
understanding
between
parties
and
an
iterative
process
that
sustains
progress
towards
group
goals.
F
Now
this
is
all
this
process
and
thing
that
we
can
put
in
here
as,
as
would
be,
you
know
what
we'd
be
doing
in
a
training
like
this
or
another
setting,
but
what
what's
so
important?
What
I
usually
often
start
out
with
any
group
that
I'm
talking
to
is
that
I'm,
a
big
believer
in
collaboration
happening
at
the
speed
of
trust
and
that's
what
we
want
to
do
right?
That's
what
we
want
to
do
with
our
communities
with
our
citizens,
with
with
our
members
of
our
tribal
Nations,
and
when
we
talk
about
building
that
trust.
F
F
This
is
where
it's
important
to
not
only
bring
that
understanding
of
why
these
lands
are
so
important,
and
this
culture
is
so
important
and
the
language
is
so
important,
but
inviting
tribes
to
come
and
share
our
thoughts.
That's
an
important
and
and
major
Endeavor
in
this
whole
consultation
process.
Next
slide,
please
so
the
need
for
local
tribal
consultation,
that
tribal
consultation
is
a
framework.
That's
mostly
has
been
adopted
and
utilized
at
the
federal
level.
Again
federal
agencies.
They
have
to
conduct
consultation,
they're
required
to
do
that.
F
F
I,
don't
know
of
other
I
know
of
other
local
governments
in
the
state
that
have
had
this
kind
of
conversation,
but
not
as
on
a
rotating
on
an
annual
basis
like
the
city
of
Boulder
has
had,
and
especially
with
the
agreement
with
14
over
14
tribes
that
you'll
see
next
week,
that'll
be
coming
to
Denver,
but
these
are
some
of
the
points
and
the
need
for
local
tribal
consultation
that
we've
seen
is
the
benefit
is
a
mutual
benefit
to
the
community.
F
So
when
people
just
look
out
and
going
hiking
around
a
creek
or
a
trail
system-
and
they
see
a
new
sign
and
that
sign
has
maybe
a
QR
code
that
you
could
scan
and
it
talks
about
the
tribes
that
utilize
that
area
that
Creek
that
same
Creek
that
you're
walking
or
you're
sharing
a
meal
or
you're
sitting
down
to
take
a
break
and
watch
the
wildlife.
You
can
learn
about
that
history.
That's
that's
the
connection
that
we're
also
looking
so
it
that's.
F
The
mutual
benefit
to
continue
moving
this
forward,
along
with
these
other
points
that
that
I
put
here
that
you
can
follow
along
with
next
slide.
Please
so
tribal
sovereignty
is
very
important,
and
so,
when
a
government
like
at
the
city
or
or
County
or
state,
reaches
out
to
request
for
a
tribal
consultation,
it
automatically
triggers
this
government
to
government
relationship,
something
that
has
been
recognized
in
in
the
United
States
Constitution.
It's
been
confirmed
through
treaties,
statutes,
executive
orders
and
so
forth,
and
so
that's
why?
F
Recognizing
that
tribal
sovereignty
is
so
important
and
continuing
that
consultation,
effort
and
format
to
ensure
that
the
tribal
voices
at
the
table
next
slide.
Please
and
there's
also
a
big
thing
that
you're
probably
going
to
hear
around
meaningful
consultation.
Well,
if
you
just
bring
people
to
the
table,
it's
a
really
meaningful.
Are
you
really
actually
getting
down
to
addressing
the
concerns?
F
That's
really
creating
that
framework
and
that's
by
Design
why
there
are
many
different
interpretations
of
consultation.
These
are
a
couple
of
those
of
of
open
Mutual
exchange
of
information.
I
think
sometimes
off
people.
Ask
me:
well
is
an
effective
consultation,
how
many
memorandums
of
agreement
or
memorams
of
understanding
or
intergovernmental
agreements
that
you
can
create?
Does
that
should
that
dictate?
Should
that
be
the
litmus
test
on
an
effective
consultation,
not
necessarily
and
not
oftentimes,
not
everybody's,
going
to
walk
away
from
a
consultation
getting
what
receiving
everything
that
they
want?
F
It's
it's
the
type
of
process
that
you
bring
people
to
the
table
to
start
working
through
those
scenarios,
these
moas
these
igas.
These
agreements,
I
personally,
believe
there's
still
an
extension
of
a
treaty
that
was
maybe
signed
years
ago,
they're
updated
with
current,
and
our
conversations
that
we
have
right
now
next
slide.
Please
and
the
last
two
slides
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
say
that
here
are
some
of
the
pictures
that
we've
shared
previously
of
the
in-person
consultations.
F
We've
had
now
again
when
I
give
kudos
to
the
staff
and
the
team
for
for
leaning
in
and
commit
committing
to
this.
Since
2019
we've
also
seen
a
pandemic,
the
flexibility
by
the
staff
and
the
team
to
be
able
to
continue
to
hold
these
consultations
moving
forward.
A
lot
of
folks
have
been
well,
you
know
what
let's
go
ahead
and
put
a
pause.
F
You'll
ask
the
tribal
representatives
and
the
folks
that
you
talk
to
next
week
that
come
what
would
you
like
to
see
from
them
you're
going
to
hear
that
that
they
look
at
this
at
the
city
of
Boulder
and
this
process,
as
a
as
an
example
for
other
governments
to
to
take
and
and
to
look
into
next
slide.
Please
thank
you.
That
means
thank
you
and
you
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Ernest
doyak
to
you
as
well.
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
that
outstanding
orientation
and
presentation.
Every
time
we
hear
it,
we
learn
more
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
being
our
guide
as
we
as
we
go
down
through
this
journey.
Council.
Colleagues,
we're
going
to
take
a
break
here
and
after
that
comprehensive
presentation
about
Earnest,
give
council
members
an
opportunity
to
ask
Ernest
or
our
our
staff
any
questions.
B
A
G
So
Ernest
thanks
so
much
for
that
Liz,
as
Bob
mentioned,
we
I
learned
more
every
time
we
have
a
visit
from
you,
so
I'm,
just
so
appreciative
of
your
help
in
your
partnership
with
these
consultations.
G
So
so
my
question
is
kind
of
a
practical
one
during
it
is,
if
you
could
give
us
advice
on
the
respectful
way
to
address
the
representatives
who'll
be
meeting
with
us
like
in
terms
of
titles
and
how
we
might
speak
and
then
also
dress,
to
be
because
I'd
love
to
be
the
appropriate
level
of
respectful
dressing
without
overdressing.
So
if
you
could
give
us
some
practical
tips,
I
really
appreciate
that.
F
That's
a
great
question:
thank
you
for
that
I
think
for
addressing
the
representatives
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
you'll
see
their
names
and
titles
and
their
tribal
Nations
that
are
around
the
table.
F
They'll
they'll
be
able
to,
and
you
can
ask
them,
you
know
what
they
would
prefer
and
some
will
be
tribal
leaders.
I
know,
my
tribal
chairman
is
chairman:
Manuel
Hart
of
the
Ute
Mountain
View
tribe,
he's
addressed
as
chairman
heart,
and
he
will
let
you
know
if
he
prefers
you
know
manual
or
or
another
or
something
else,
that's
other.
F
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
we'll
also
make
sure
to
have
those
name
tags
and
be
specific,
because
we
have
council
members
that
are
elected
chairman
who
are
seen
as
like
Governors
with
presidents
of
tribal
Nations
govern
government
mentioned
Governors,
presidents,
chairman
and
and
so
forth,
so
it
can
get
a
little
confusing.
So
that's
why
we
want
to
make
sure
and
have
those
type
of
name
tags
so
that
you
know
who
you'll
be
talking
to
and
which
tribal
Nation
that
that
they'll
be
representing
and
so
oftentimes.
F
You
may
think
well,
I,
remember
they're
you,
but
now
that
you
know
there's
three:
you
tribes,
it's
good
to
make
sure
you
know
or
even
take
note,
is
it
Ute
mountain?
Is
it
southern
New?
Is
it
Northern
New
and
also
as
we
follow
up,
we
will
have
a
list
of
everybody
there
so
that
you
can
see
and
and
track
that
for
yourself
as
well.
The
other
thing
around
around
the
dress
code
is
is
be
relaxed.
F
These
individuals
are
coming
also
relaxed,
I,
usually
folks
that
go
down
back
to
the
Southwest
I,
usually
say
it's
Southwest
business,
casual
winter
boots
and
jeans,
and
you
know
it's
nothing,
formal
and
I.
Think
that
it's
you
know
that's
what
we're
also
requesting
for
them
to
come
in
real.
You
know
being
relaxed
as
well,
and
so
we'll
make
sure
to
do
that.
The
other
thing
too,
that
that's
important,
is
you
know
we
always
start
out
traditionally
and
asking
Elders
to
provide
some
type
of
opening
comment
or
tribal
blessing.
F
That's
important
and
a
lot
of
times,
they'll
say
it
in
their
language
and
and
so
they
will
often
share
what
they
are
saying
that
they
may
share.
You
know.
A
F
In
their
own
language
and
then
in
English
what
they
talked
about,
but
just
in
case
you
do
hear
that
native
language.
That's
important
to
do
that,
and
it's
also
important
to
do
that.
But
for
like
a
break
or
any
food
is,
is
taken
or
things
like
that.
F
B
H
F
Thank
you
very
much.
I
do
appreciate
that
and
I
and
I
hope
that
there'll
be
an
opportunity
that
we
can
follow
up
with
you
around
with
the
discussion,
obviously
and
and
kind
of
what
the
next
steps
are
from
next
week.
B
Thanks
Tara
Nicole:
what
do
you
have
for
Ernest.
I
Thank
you,
I
I,
just
have
a
question.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
just
expand
a
little
bit
more
on
the
relationship
between
the
land
and
the
First
Peoples
of
this
land.
I
think
the
more
that
I
learn
about
kind
of
my
white
culture
and
indigenous
cultures.
White
culture
has
a
very
extractive
relationship
with
the
land,
whereas
indigenous
cultures.
I
It
really
is
this
very
interconnected,
spiritual
kind
of
connection
as
I'm
starting
to
understand
it,
and-
and
you
know
for
me
that
that
relationship
and
understanding
the
relationship,
as
well
as
the
pain
of
having
taken
people
from
this
land
that
is
so
interconnected,
is
really
starting
to
inform
some
of
my
thinking
about
this
and
just
the
way
to
enter
into
relationships.
And
you
know
if,
if
this
feels
like
an
appropriate
place
for
it,
an
appropriate
question,
I
would
I
would
appreciate
some
of
your
thoughts
there
to
help
us
understand
more.
F
It's
it's
a
very
important
one
and
it's
one
that
I
hope
that
next
week
you
can
also
ask
the
tribal
representatives
to
to
also
elaborate
on
and
provide
their
comments,
because
I
can
only
speak
obviously
off
on
my
own
behalf
and
what
I've
in
in
even
talking
with
our
tribal
Elders,
the
connection
with
land
is
just
so
important
and
I.
F
F
We
don't
we
don't
have
a
a
name
for
it
in
you.
It's
so
strong
and
I
almost
relate
it
to
that's.
Why
I
feel
like,
when
you
go
to
do
a
hike
at
Garden
of
the
Gods,
that
you're
connected
that
you
have
a
stronger
feeling
there
if
you're
on
Flagstaff,
mountain
and
you're,
overlooking
the
valley
and
it's
mesmerizing
to
you
or,
if
you're,
going
back
into
any
of
the
hikes
that
people
are
drawn
to
this?
This
is
why
I
feel
like
it's.
It's
we
breathe
better.
We
feel
better.
F
That's
why
it's
so
important
to
have
the
indigenous
voice
at
the
table,
even
if
they've
been
removed
to
Oklahoma
or
Montana
or
The
Dakotas
they're,
still
their
knowledge
is
still
there
they're
still
connected
to
that
place
and
I
feel
like
through
these
conversations
around
the
Sand
Creek
Massacre
through
history,
through
the
connection
of
you
know,
for
Chambers
or
Valmont
Butte,
or
the
early
establishment
of
Boulder,
whatever
it
might
be,
or
any
other
community
on
the
Front
Range.
F
The
reason
why
I
feel
like
consultations
are
also
important
is
that
it
gives
tribal,
Nations
and
representatives
an
opportunity
to
share
with
you
what
that
means
to
them
and
oftentimes
that's
been
something
that
people
have
taken
and
put
it
and
put
in
books,
they've
removed
it
from
it's
out
of
our
control
and
I
feel,
like
that's,
that's
been
a
lot
of
times
very,
very
harmful
and
so
I
think.
F
Now
that
we're
talking
around
conservation,
Wildfire
management,
all
these
areas
have
a
place
for
indigenous
knowledge
that
will
be
able
to
help
address
some
of
these
concerns
or,
if
anything,
at
all,
give
you
another
lens
to
look
at
the
issues
that
you
face.
As
decision
makers
in
your
position
and
I
think
hearing
that
from
them
they'll
be
able
to
share
even
more
of
of
what
I
can
just
limited
share
with
you
this
evening.
B
Ernest
I
have
a
question
for
you.
I
was
struck
by
your
your
observation
that
these
relationships
build
at
the
speed
of
trust
and
you've
been
our
guide
for
so
many
years
and
as
we've
had
these
tribal
consultation
consultations
and
these
really,
as
these
relationships
have
built
and
developed
and
evolved,
can
you
maybe
share
with
us
from
your
Vantage
Point
what
you
have
seen
in
these
consultations
between
these
preval
nations
in
the
city
of
Boulder
over
the
last
few
years,
what
evolution
has
has
developed.
F
That's
a
great
question
and
I
think
what
I've
seen
is.
You
know
what
could
potentially
be
well
what
started
as
a
as
as
the
people's
Crossing
that
conversation
alone,
you
know
what
should
a
name
renaming
of
a
park
look
like
and
to
hear
the
tribal
Representatives
talk
about
different
ideas
and
collaborate
with
staff,
but
then
also
take
into
consideration
it's
not
about
us
as
native
people.
F
It's
about
us
collectively,
it's
about
the
baby
being
born
and
having
the
opportunity
to
go
and
visit
these
places
and
experience
the
same
experience
that
we're
doing
so
I
think.
That's,
that's
just
an
example
of
the
tribe
sharing.
Well,
it
actually
shouldn't
be.
Maybe
it
should
be
you?
Maybe
it
should
be
Comanche
kyowa
Cheyenne,
whatever
it,
but
instead
of
that
we're
going
to
call
it
the
people
because
we're
all
included,
including
you,
including
the
settlers
people
who
moved
here
because
they
love
this
place.
F
They
have
a
connection
with
this
place
and
I
think
that
type
of
openness
that
type
of
collaboration
only
starts
coming
when
you
build
that
trust
when
they
feel
like
they
can
actually
come
into
this
process,
provide
a
comment
and
it's
going
to
be
taken
seriously
and
what
that
other
that
also
transcends
into
is
stronger
education
and
information
to
the
General
Public,
the
hiking
signs
the
information.
You
know
that
history
is
also
being
able
to
be
passed
along.
F
Many
of
these
tribes
have
their
own
curriculum,
I
mean
we
have
many
of
our
own
languages,
and
that
also
can
be
shared
as
well.
So
I've
seen
the
openness
by
the
tribal
Representatives
because
they
felt
comfortable
in
a
place
where
they
can
share
something,
and
it's
going
to
be
taken
seriously,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
okay,
a
check
the
box
process.
We
did
this.
F
Let's
move
on
because,
to
be
honest
with
you,
that's
how
we
got
into
this
process
in
the
first
place
is
that
these
agreements
had
lapsed
and
and
not
paid
attention
to,
and
that
requires
that
commitment.
Now
you,
the
every
step
of
this
process
in
the
tribes,
have
been
able
to
see
that
and
they've
they
too
have
committed
it.
You
have
to
look
at
it
on
this,
their
site
as
well.
Oftentimes
these
cultural
Affairs
offices
at
tribes,
they're,
they're,
understaffed,
they're,
being
called
in
all
directions.
F
B
Well,
thank
you.
So
much
Ernest
I,
don't
see
any
other
questions,
so
maybe
it'd
be
good
time
to
turn
it
back
to
to
staff
for
the
second
half
of
our
presentation
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
a
bit
of
a
preview
of
on
what
we're
going
to
be
engaged
in
next
week.
With,
with
these
tribal
Nations,
yeah.
E
Great,
thank
you.
Councilmember
Yates
and
I
will
pick
the
presentation
back
up
and
then
introduce
some
of
our
staff
team
as
well.
So
next
slide.
Please.
E
Earnest
just
provided
that
that
fantastic
overview
and
I
share
the
sentiment
that
I
learn
more
every
time.
We
both
review
and
then
expand
on
this
information
when
we
start
to
think
about
the
city
of
Boulder's
upcoming
consultation.
E
You
heard
some
of
these
themes
already
from
Earnest,
so
I
won't
read
every
single
point,
but
I
do
want
to
call
out
a
couple
of
things
and
I've
had
the
privilege
now
of
being
a
part
of
the
consultation
effort
since
2018
planning
for
2019
and
my
own
experience
of
the
relationships
developed,
particularly
with
those
particular
Representatives
who
return
for
each
consultation.
It's
been
amazing
to
expand
sort
of
beyond
the
formality
of
the
meeting
and
also
build
those
relationships
that
Ernest
is
talking
about.
E
It's
the
the
process
is
unlike
a
city
meeting
that
you
might
expect
where
folks
have
an
agenda
and
a
set
outcome
and
a
set
time
period
and
gosh
darn
it
we're
gonna
achieve
it
and
one
one
of
the
great
things
about
tribal
consultation
is
while
we
arrive
with
an
intention-
and
we
certainly
have
things
that
we
hope
to
uphold
in
terms
of
our
agreements
in
terms
of
making
improvements
to
our
relationships.
E
We
also
take
times
for
things
like
when
we're
on
a
site
visit
and
a
tribal
representative
chooses
to
bathe
in
the
the
creek
we
make
space.
For
that
we
we
have
opportunities
to
again
bless
each
meal
that
we
have
together
and
really
take
the
time
to
savor
every
piece
of
that
experience
and
I
think.
Frankly,
it
has
informed
quite
a
bit
of
how
we
think
about
our
all
of
our
work
in
the
city
organization.
E
Why
shouldn't
we
have
that
that
strength
of
connection
and
commitment
to
all
of
the
work
that
we
do
so
I
appreciate.
All
of
that
learning
both
personally
and
I,
know
team
shares
a
lot
of
that.
I
think
just
a
couple
other
pieces,
as
we
think
about
our
upcoming
consultation
I,
want
to
highlight
that.
Second,
to
last
point,
you
see
on
your
screen
regarding
protected,
protecting
sensitive
information.
One
aspect
of
consultation
is,
it
is
a
closed
session.
E
The
other
piece
that
I
want
to
highlight
is
this
that,
in
addition
to
tribal
consultation
and
this
work
being
the
right
thing
to
do,
it
also
is
grounded
in
several
City
practices,
and
so
you
see
here
on
the
slide,
a
a
spectrum
of
where
we
see
tribal
consultation,
fitting
into
the
overall
work
of
the
city.
E
You
will
see
pieces
of
what
we
have
learned
through
past
discussions,
recognized
and
supported
in
our
racial
Equity
plan
in
various
Department
long-term
plans,
as
particularly
open
space
and
Mountain
Parks,
as
you'll
hear
in
a
little
bit,
it's
grounded
in
both
federal
and
state
laws
and
practices.
It's
certainly
grounded
in
policies
in
the
way
the
city
is
operating
more
and
more,
and
so
there's
there's
a
constant
seeking
as
well
to
to
consider
and
and
get
more
and
more
creative
about.
E
E
E
So
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
for
you
that,
in
addition
to
our
regular
consultations,
which
often
can
occur
annually,
sometimes
based
on
purpose
and
schedules,
and
so
on,
we
may
have
a
year
where
we
don't
have
one,
but
in
general
the
intention
is
to
maintain
them
regularly.
We
also
have
working
group
meetings,
so
these
are
subsets
of
tribal
Representatives
who
are
willing
to
engage
on
a
deeper
level
on
a
particular
effort.
E
So
something
like
you
know,
the
decision
of
renaming
the
people's
Crossing
occurred
at
the
consultation
level,
but
the
ongoing
work
on
how
do
we
reshape
the
the
interpretive
signs,
for
example,
that
is
now
happening
at
that
working
group
level.
E
We
then
have
specific
projects,
one
of
which
you
will
hear
about
this
evening,
where
we
have
maybe
a
couple
tribes
in
particular,
with
a
close
tie
to
a
project
the
city
is
working
on,
and
so
we
have
a
direct
communication
about
that
and
then
finally,
in
some
cases
you
know
as
City
projects
intersect
with
federal
agencies
and
other
projects.
We
may
have
a
delegated
consultation
in
that
regard
with
that
we're
going
to
get
into
both
some
Boulder
specific
history
and
I'm
going
to
invite
Dan
Burke
our
director
of
open
space
and
Mountain
parks.
J
J
It's
always
a
highlight
in
my
particular
year
and
I've,
been
in
a
deep
learning
and
on
the
issue
of
not
only
consultation
but
relationship
building
with
tribal
Nations
since
2018,
when
I
assumed
getting
ready
for
the
director
role
and
assuming
that
role-
and
it's
just
one
of
my
deep
honors
to
be
a
part
of
this
effort,
I
think
the
other
side
benefit
before
I
continue.
J
The
conversation
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
is,
is
it
also
brings
this
effort
brings
across
together
staff
from
across
many
different
departments.
City
attorney's
office,
City
manager's
office,
open
space.
Hhs
is
so
it's
just
been
great
to
form
relationships
amongst
our
staff
around
all
of
this
all
these
efforts
and
these
projects
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
J
So
when,
when
did
formal
consultation
between
the
city
and
tribal
Nations
began,
it
will
actually
began
in
the
late
1990s.
The
federal
government
was
Consulting
around
the
nist
building
up
on
on
Broadway
and
South
Boulder,
and
the
city
of
Boulder
participated
in
that
Federal,
LED
consultation
and
springing
from
that.
The
city
continued
desired
to
continue
that
type
of
relationship
with
tribes.
J
So
we
began
initiating
our
own
consultations
with
tribal
Nations
and
out
of
these
early
conversations
in
the
late
90s
and
early
2000s
spring,
a
couple
of
the
development
of
a
couple
of
memorandums
of
understanding.
J
Their
consultations
then
led
to
an
additional
and
even
in
the
mended
memorandum
of
understanding
back
in
2002
and
2004,
and
all
these
existing
memorandums
of
understanding
is
that
that
were
a
result
of
these
early
consultations
mainly
focused
on
open
space
and
Mountain
Parks
managed
property,
and
it
called
for
collaborations
in
these
areas
that
you
kind
of
see
here
collaborating
on
preserving
open
space
and
cultural
resources
on
open
space,
managed
lands
working
together
to
sort
of
recognize
and
honor
the
open
space
Charter
purposes
that
are
that's
in
the
charter.
J
Providing
opportunities
for
ceremonial
practices
on
City,
open
space.
How,
and
when
do
we
notify
tribes?
If,
if
we
inadvertently
discovered
human
remains
or
cultural
resources
that
are
discovered
on
open
space
lands,
and
then
it
delayed
the
framework
for
trying
to
establish
yearly
consultations
when
financially
feasible,
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Then.
J
So
we
we
had
regular
consultations
and
then
there
was
a
pause
and
what
gave
rise
to
this
new
era
of
consultation
is
really
the
2016
indigenous
people's
day
resolution
that
was
adopted
by
the
city,
and
there
was
a
particular
clause
in
that
resolution.
That
stated
that
we
shall
City
staff
shall
seek
tribal
Nation
input
into
the
renaming
of
Settlers
Park.
J
So
we
took
advantage
of
that
stipulation
in
the
resolution
to
resurrect
consultation
and
as
Ernest
alluded
to
and
and
Pam
in
2019,
we
held
a
face-to-face
consultation
in
in
which
I
believe
over
a
dozen
tribal
nations
were
represented
and
came
to
the
city
of
Boulder
for
a
few
days
and
that
sort
of
donned
the
new
era,
if
you
will
of
consultations
that
have
that
have
since
ensued.
J
So
what
happened
then?
Is
we
had
a
pause
in
2020
due
to
covet,
but
re
resurrected,
consultation
in
2021
and
2022,
and
although
they
were
virtual,
so
this
will
be
our
first
in
person
coming
up
and
what
we're
focusing
on
in
this
new
era
of
consultation
is
several
different
sort
of
initiatives
and
one
is
to
consolidate
and
update
those
memorandas
of
understanding
that
were
entered
into
into
the
late
90s
and
early
2000s.
J
So
we've
been
really
at
four
years
of
work
on
on
trying
to
determine
what
is
the
best
best
path
forward
for
consolidating
and
bringing
those
up
to
dates,
and
obviously
the
renaming
of
Settlers
Park
was
another
major
Focus,
but
in
and
of
itself
I
think
the
greatest
goal
was
to
build
understanding
was
and
to
build
relationships
among
City
staff
and
tribal
Representatives.
J
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
so
coming
up
next
week,
two
days
Wednesday
and
Thursday
we're
going
to
continue
our
conversation
on
memorandum
of
understanding
and
again
trying
to
consolidate
and
update
we're
going
to
have
new
some
new
faces
at
the
table.
These
could
be
newly
elected
tribal
leaders
and
representatives
that
maybe
haven't
had
years
of
experience.
J
Interacting
with
City
staff,
so
that
will
be
a
chance
to
bring
everybody
up
to
date
again,
but
we're
actually
going
to
also
participate
in
several
field
trips.
This
was
a
desire
of
tribal
Representatives.
They
would
like
to
get
to
know
more
intimately,
especially
City
open
space
lands,
and
so
we
have
a
few
visits
planned
in
which
we'll
actually
get
out
on
the
land,
with
our
tribal
Representatives.
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
that,
and
then
we're
going
to
provide
them
updates
on
some
of
the
updates.
J
We're
providing
you
tonight
on
other
other
work
that
we're
doing
in
collaboration
with
tribal
Nations,
including
our
Land
Management
plan
work
on
Fort,
Chambers,
Poor
Farm
project,
which
we'll
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
coming
up
in
our
ethnographic
report.
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
J
So
here's
all
the
tribal
Nations
that
that
we
reached
out
to
these
are
some
and
then
some
added
tribes
that,
since
early
late
1990s
that
we've
been
working
with
I
believe
late,
90s
was
about
12
or
13
tribes
that
has
now
expanded
to
16.
we're
expecting
representation
from
at
least
13
of
the
16
tribes.
So
far-
and
we
may
still
hear
from
few
others
that
are
are
going
to
be
joining
us,
but
so
really
looking
forward
to
that
and
the
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
while
Pam
alluded
to
the,
that
consultation
is
just
one
aspect
that
we're
working
with
the
city
so
just
want
to
use
this
opportunity
for
a
few
minutes
to
update
you
on
some
of
the
specific
projects,
some
that
are
going
to
be
talked
about
at
consultation,
but
some
that
we
work
more
informally
with
tribal
Representatives
over
over
the
year
and
we're
us
we'd
just
like
to
take
an
opportunity
to
highlight
just
a
few
of
them
that
were
called
out
in
your
memo
that
you
have
for
tonight's
packet.
J
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
I
you've
heard
many
times
about
the
memorandum
of
understanding,
which
has
been
a
big
focus
of
updating
and
consolidating
and
and
and
again
the
bullet
points
here
is.
Some
of
the
goals
of
this
mou
is
is
to
really
I'll
just
call
out.
The
last
bullet
point
here,
because
we
haven't
talked
about
that
is
to
really
seek
meaningful
tribal
input
regarding
OS
P,
Land
Management.
J
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
some
of
the
other
goals
of
this
Consolidated
memorandum
of
understanding.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
is:
is
a
a
bigger
Focus
for
this
updated
mou
from
what
we
had
20
years
ago
was
to
really
get
collaboration
on
our
cultural
resource
management.
We
have
a
cultural
resources
management
plan,
the
first
one
that
we'll
be
creating
on
with
open
space
and
Mountain
parks,
and
we
are
seeking
tribal
input
on
the
development
of
that
plan
as
we
launch
into
it.
J
So
and
that's
some
terms
and
conditions
and
and
goals
are
called
out
in
the
mou
around
cultural
resource
management.
You
can
see
some
other
points
here
that
this
consolidated
memorandum
of
understanding
it
hopes
to
achieve,
and
one
of
them
the
last
bullet
point
again.
I'll
call
attention
to
is
that
the
city
pledges
to
explore
permanent
ceremonial
site
on
City
lands.
J
We
already
have
terms
in
the
occurrent
agreement
and
this
new
agreement
about
providing
access
to
open
space
lands
that
may
involve
temporary
structures
and
and
fire,
but
looking
for
that
permanent
ceremonial
site
is
called
for
in
the
new
plan
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
continuing
on
this
highlight
the
memorandum
of
understanding
is
one
the
next
project
we
want
to
update.
You
is
on
our
fourth
Chambers
Poor
Farm
Land
Management
plan
before
I
turn
it
over
to
our
senior
planner
at
open
space.
Katie
Knapp
I
just
want
to
just
a
brief
context.
This
was
a
property
110
acre
property
that
was
purchased
by
the
city
for
open
space
purposes
in
2018..
J
It
holds
a
lot
of
open
space
Charter
purposes
and
was
a
property
that
the
city
has
been
looking
at
for
a
number
of
years
and
we
did
a
choir
in
2018..
This
property
also
has
a
very
deep
and
meaningful
significance
to
three
tribal
nations
in
particular,
and
for
every
property
that
the
open
space
Department
purchases
and
then
gets
a
signed
management
of
we
develop
what
we
call
a
management
plan.
J
It
guides
the
future
for
how
this
plan
would
be
managed
in
the
future,
and
so
we
wanted
to
reach
out
out
to
these
three
tribes
and
have
them
at
the
seat.
At
the
very
beginning
of
the
development
of
this
plan
to
help
us
receive
meaningful
input
into
the
development
of
the
Land
Management
plan,
and
so
that's
the
goal
of
this
project
and
I
invite
Katie
Knapp
to
join
us
on
the
screen.
To
kind
of
give
you
an
update
on
where
we're
at
with
that
project.
K
Thanks
Dan,
as
Dan
mentioned,
my
name
is
Katie
Knapp
I'm,
the
project
manager
for
the
Fort
Chambers,
poor
farm
management
plan
and
so
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
orientation.
Here
the
property
is
located
in
the
center
of
the
map.
K
Here,
it's
outlined
in
red,
it's
on
63rd,
Street,
just
south
of
J,
Road
and
just
south
of
the
property
is
Boulder
Creek
shown
here
with
the
the
blue
line
to
the
to
the
right
of
the
property
or
to
the
the
East
is
the
saw
Hill
and
one
Walden
Ponds
and
then
to
the
West.
Is
the
boulder
Municipal
Airport
next
slide.
K
So
the
we're
very
fortunate
that
we're
working
with
the
Arapahoe
and
Cheyenne
Representatives
on
this
project
we're
working
specifically
with
these
tribes,
because
the
property
does
have
a
direct
connection
with
the
Sand
Creek
Massacre.
K
K
We
have
assembled
information
about
the
property,
its
resources,
its
history,
and
we
just
recently
developed
an
inventory
report
to
share
this
information
and
to
have
it
help
inform
the
site
planning
process.
The
report
is
now
available
on
the
project
website.
It's
it's
kind
of
a
graphic,
interactive
platform.
So
it's
something
that
we
hope
you
will
take
a
look
at
click
through
and
learn
some
more
information
about
the
the
property.
It's
a
it's
a
nice
resource
next
slide.
K
So
the
the
tribal
Nation
Representatives
that
we're
working
with
are
helping
to
provide
input,
and
this
will
help
guide
the
long-term
management
of
the
property
as
part
of
the
process.
We
are
also
working
with
the
tribes
to
understand
their
desired
long-term
relationship
with
the
property
and
with
their
help,
we'd
like
to
understand
how
best
to
interpret
the
property,
so
the
community
members
can
learn
about
the
history
of
Fort,
Chambers
and
Boulder's
role
in
the
Sand
Creek
Massacre.
This
includes
reinterpreting
an
existing
historic
marker.
K
That's
on
the
site,
there's
currently
a
stone
marker,
that's
near
the
road
at
63rd
Street
there,
and
we
will
also
identify
opportunities
to
develop
appropriate
interpretive
materials
and
programs.
That'll
integrate
the
broader
indigenous
history
into
Boulder's
history,
coordinating
with
the
planned
ethnographic
report,
efforts
that
Phil
will
be
speaking
with
you
about
as
well
all
right
next
slide,
so
the
overall
planning
process
has
four
main
phases
with
the
first
phase,
really
studying
the
foundation
for
the
process.
K
This
includes
developing
the
new
inventory
report
I
just
mentioned,
as
well
as
a
Project
Specific
memorandum
of
understanding
that
outlines
our
coordination
efforts
with
the
tribes
phase.
Two
is
where
we'll
explore
opportunities
for
the
site
and
develop
some
different
site
plan
Alternatives,
so
we're
currently
just
starting
this
phase
in
phase
three
we'll
be
evaluating
the
different
Alternatives,
with
the
help
from
our
tribal
Representatives.
K
This
process
includes
an
anticipated
timeline,
but
just
want
to
note
that
this
is
subject
to
change.
We
have
built-in
time
for
coordination,
but
we
do
recognize
that
tribal
Partners
have
many
different
projects
that
they're
working
on,
and
so
we
may
need
to
make
some
adjustments.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
as
well.
Next
slide.
K
So
our
immediate
next
steps
include
working
with
tribal
representatives
to
finalize
that
Project
Specific
memorandum
of
understanding
to
outline
our
collaboration
efforts
on
the
project-
and
this
is
separate
from
the
city-wide
mou
that
you've
been
hearing
quite
a
bit
about
now-
we're
also
starting
to
highlight
opportunities
and
develop
site
management
plan
alternatives
for
tribal
input.
We've
heard
from
from
the
tribes
that
they're
interested
in
having
us
develop
some
some
different
Alternatives
that
they
can
then
look
at
and
react
to
and
give
us
some
feedback
on.
K
We
anticipate
providing
an
update
later
later,
on
after
we've,
been
able
to
work
with
the
tribes
on
on
those
efforts
and
we'll
be
continuing
conversations
with
our
tribal
partners,
and
we
look
forward
to
strengthening
those
relationships.
Listening
and
learning
more
and
we're
integrating.
You
know
the
knowledge
that
we're
learning
on
this
project,
we're
coordinating
with
we'll
be
coordinating
with
the
ethnographic
report
and
the
information
we're
going
to
learn
from
that
as
well.
So
Phil
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
that
effort.
L
Yeah,
excuse
me
so
yeah
good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
Philip
Yates
I'm,
a
senior
Communications
program
manager
with
the
Communications
Department
working
with
open
space
and
I
just
want
to
just
extend
my
deep
appreciation
to
Earnest
house
over
the
last
four
years.
Five
years,
I've
just
had
the
opportunity
to
learn
so
much
from
him
and
I
just
want
to
extend
my
deep
appreciation
and
so
as
a
part
of
a
lot
of
the
work
that
has
happened
as
a
part
of
consultation
is
a
direct
result
of
the
2020
I'm.
L
L
We
actually
set
the
context
for
working
group
meetings
and
as
a
part
of
five
working
group
meetings
since
October
of
2021
we're
able
to
work
and
develop
and
co-develop
an
ethnographic
report
that
took
time
to
learn
about
from
tribal
Representatives,
provide
context
and
then
actually
come
to
an
agreement
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
work
together
on
such
a
project.
But
what
do
we
seek
to
do?
We
want
to
develop
educational
information
with
the
support
of
tribal
Representatives.
L
What's
meaningful,
engagement,
look
like
what
are
the
types
and
places
of
areas
that
are
important
to
tribal
Representatives,
so
we'll
have
a
lot
to
learn
through
this
process
and
what,
as
a
part
of
the
steps
that
took
to
get
to
this
place,
is
that,
as
a
part
of
a
meeting
we
had
recently,
we
did
receive
permission
from
tribal
representatives
to
release
a
final
report
pending
their
approval
in
early
2026.
People?
Might
ask
well:
why
is
that
taking
so
long?
Well,
it's
important!
We
have
to
do
a
lot
of
preliminary
research
set.
L
Well,
how
do
we
use
this
report
and
how
do
we
think
about
what's
actually
currently
out
on
the
landscape
right
now,
as
a
part
of
the
working
group
that
we
we
went
regularly
quarterly
we've
recently
been
able
to
work
on
what
are
some
of
that,
the
signage
we
have
on
our
system,
and
so
we've
been
getting
to
receive
guidance
on
some
of
the
signage
we
have
to
address
dated
signs
that
are
on
our
system.
L
At
the
most
recent
working
group
meeting
we
had,
we
did
receive
guidance
to
remove
signs
in
the
people's
Crossing
area
and
assign
just
south
of
the
people's
Crossing.
These
signs
are
dated
from
the
early
1990s
and
after
presenting
these,
it
was
very
readily
apparent
of
a
need
to
think
about
where
we're
at
now
and
how
can
we
move
forward
so
we're
looking
and
we
did
receive
guidance
to
remove
these
signs
and
that,
as
a
part
of
you
know,
further
discussions,
the
tribal
Representatives?
How
can
we
think
about
a
broader
interpretive
approach?
L
So
how
can
we
work
step
by
step,
collaboratively
and
think
how
we
can
tell
important
stories
that
have
not
been
communicated
as
part
of
Boulder's
history
before,
and
we
deeply
appreciate
the
guidance
and
the
commitment
and
the
the
participation
we've
received
as
a
part
of
this
work
so
far,
next
slide.
L
And
as
a
part
of
the
renaming
in
2021,
we
did
want
to
come
back
to
the
tribes,
tribal
Nations
and
get
guidance
on
the
Settlers
Park
inscription
that
you
see
here.
This
is
a
underpass
that
connects
F,
G
Fine
park
with
the
people's
Crossing,
and
so
just
recently
we
did
receive
guidance
to
remove
it
and
to
replace
it
with
the
people's
Crossing
name,
and
that
we've
begun
initial
efforts
to
replace
the
inscription.
It
will
take
time
and
it
will
require
approval
from
CDOT.
L
L
And
that's
it
kind
of
a
broad
overview
of
all
the
projects
and
we
certainly
as
staff,
want
to
take
the
time
to.
Thank
you
all
to
listen.
I
want
to
thank
Ernest
house
and
now
it's
time
for
questions.
These
are
just
some
wonderful
pictures.
Actually
that
have
come
from
the
past.
The
one
on
the
left
is
from
a
virtual
consultation
like
Dan
and
others
have
said
that
came
during
covid
that
we
had
to
readjust,
and
then
the
picture
from
on
the
right
is
from
the
2019
consultation.
L
So
looking
forward
to
additional
conversations
coming
up,
I
definitely
want
to
open
the
floor
now
for
questions.
B
Well,
thank
you
thank
you,
Phillip
and
Katie,
and
Dan
and
Pam
for
for
that
preview
of
what
we're
going
to
engage
in
next
week
and
for
the
next
several
months.
Council.
Colleagues,
that's
the
end
of
the
presentation,
and
so
this
is
another
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
make
comments
about
the
preparation
that
we've
been
provided
tonight
in
in
anticipation
of
our
activities,
the
tribal
Nations
next
week.
So
if
we've
got
any
final
questions,
this
is
the
time
to
ask
them.
I
I
Then,
just
just
a
comment:
no
no
questions,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
Ernest
Pam,
Dan,
Katie
and
Phil.
I
really
appreciate
this
work
so
much
that
we're
continuing
to
build
these
relationships,
that
we
are
learning
the
stories
of
this
land
and
that
we're
starting
the
many
generations
of
work
that
it's
going
to
take
to
repair
some
of
the
harm
that
we've
done
and
continue
to
do.
So.
I
Just
so
appreciate
that
thank
you
to
everyone
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
and
thank
Nick
Hill
mankakar
for
all
of
his
extra
work
in
helping
establish
these
consultations
and
the
process
over
several
years.
I
We
saw
him
in
one
of
the
photos
from
ernest's
presentation,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
him
a
shout
out
his
personal
commitment
to
helping
us
build
these
sustainable
relationships
and
and
really
create
this
trust
between
staff
and
stakeholders
than
the
tribal
Representatives
is
a
really
big
part
of
why
we
get
to
be
an
example
for
other
cities
and
just
wanted
to
call
out
what
a
valuable
resource
he
is
on
that
topic.
So
thank
you
again
to
everybody
who's
been
involved.
This
is
just
such
such
a
gift
for
the
community.
C
Thank
you,
Bob
I
appreciate
it
and
I
feel
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
Nicole
sentiment.
Thank
you
for
the
great
presentation
and
humbled
I
participated
before
in
the
prior
consultations.
I
hope
that
I'll
be
able
to
make
it
next
week,
but
nonetheless
I
just
think
it's
great
and
I
think
again.
We
have
to
forge
these
relationships
because
they
are
important
and
it's
about
looking
to
the
Future
as
well.
We
know
the
past,
but
we
have
an
opportunity
to
create.
A
C
B
Judy
said
a
word
that
I
think
was
exactly
right:
Aaron
and
I
had
the
privilege
of
being
in
person
with
these
tribal
leaders
in
2019
and
I
will
say
that
come
away
from
it
very
humbled.
It's
a
very
touching
and
emotional
experience.
Is
it's
something
that
you
really
feel
and
Aaron?
Maybe
you
can
comment
on
this
as
well,
but
you
walk
away
recognizing
that
this
was.
B
Was
someone
else's
land
and
and
we're
the
we're
the
we're
the
stewards
right
now
of
that
and
and
working
together
to
collaborate
together
to
figure
out
how
we
honor
the
various
cultures
that
have
have
been
on
this
land?
Hey
Aaron.
Do
you
have
a
reflection?
I
know
was
many
years
ago
that
we
we
met
face
to
face,
but
I
know
that
you
were
very
actively
involved
as
well.
G
Yeah
thanks
for
asking
Bob,
you
know
the
experiences
is
very
powerful.
I
mean
I'm,
so
glad
that
we've
been
doing
the
consultations
over
the
last
few
years
and
well,
it's
been
good
to
do
them.
G
Virtual
and
we've
accomplished
some
important
work
that
way
the
meeting
people
in
person
and
doing
so
on
the
lands
that
they
have
the
ancestral
and
deep
time
and
Memorial
connections
to
is
incredibly
powerful
and
so
I
learn
a
great
deal
every
time
and
will
continue
to
learn
from
from
each
each
day
and
and
each
hour
in
each
sentence
that
people
speak
about
how
we
can
you
know,
do
their
early
steps
in
repairing
some
of
the
enormous
damage
that
has
been
done
to
these
peoples
over
the
years
and
centuries.
B
Our
Council
agenda
committee
is
spot
on
because
they
scheduled
this
first
session
for
45
minutes
and
we
were
at
minute
42.,
so
great
job
CAC
for
scheduling
and
if
there's
no
other
comments
or
questions
about
this
presentation,
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
the
second
of
our
two
presentations
on
discussions
for
tonight.
This
just
to
set
people's
expectations.
The
council
agenda
committee
scheduled
this
one
for
upper
two
hours.
We
may
be
able
to
get
done
earlier,
which
would
be
nice
and
be
efficient
with
our
Communications.
B
As
with
the
the
first
presentation,
staff
will
do
some
presentations
first
of
some
of
the
work
they've
done
and
then
we're
gonna
take
a
pause
for
questions
just
to
make
sure
there's
a
lot
of
data
pulled
together,
as
you
all
saw
in
the
memo,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
have
a
good
grasp
and
understanding
of
the
information
has
already
been
gathered
by
staff
and
and
and
we'll
ask
questions
at
that
break
and
then
we'll
roll
into
some
Alternatives
and
options.
B
That
staff
has
laid
out
for
us,
and
that's
really
at
that.
Second
stage
of
the
presentation
is
really
an
opportunity
for
us
to
provide
some
feedback,
some
direction
to
to
staff,
because
they
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
them
and
they
very
much
want
to
hear
from
from
us
tonight.
So
with
that
there
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you
for
the
introduction
of
this
presentation.
D
Sure,
thank
you,
Bob
I,
you
know
I
I
would
say
this
is
not
a
new
topic
right.
I
have
I
have
yet
to
be
in
a
city
where
the
topic
of
occupancy
is
not
sorry.
My
video
just
went
off
where
the
topic
of
occupancy
isn't
discussed
in
one
way,
shape
or
form
and
staff
even
prior
to
my
arrival
has
been
have
been,
and
councils
have
been
talking
about
occupancy
for
a
while.
D
We
were
here
last
fall
in
November
with
the
rpnds
team
and
I'll
be
sending
it
to
Brad
here
shortly
to
talk
about
what
does
this
look
like
on
the
work
plan?
This
is
one
of
your
Council
priorities.
If
we
have
moved
forward
and
the
commitment
to
come
back
to
really
share
out
we're
in
that
shared
learning
space
of
what
are
other
cities
doing
and
what
could
be
the
right
model
for
us?
What?
M
Thank
you
neria
and
good
evening,
council
members
after
a
scenario
said
of
planning
and
development
services,
Brad
wheeler
and
just
building
on
what
Maria
said.
We
respect
and
acknowledge
that
this
is
of
great
interest
to
the
community.
We
are
working
hard
to
bring
you
thoughtful
analysis
on
this.
Carl
has
done.
A
M
Wonderful
job
and
I'm
excited
for
the
presentation
he'll
provide
to
you.
This
is
not
an
easy
item.
I've
worked
in
multiple
generate
jurisdictions,
and
this
is
very
much
to
the
point,
a
topic
of
great
discussion
and
debate.
It
is
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
for
both
managing
housing
opportunities
and
other
aspects
of
that
zombie
are
designed
to
provide.
M
We
do
hope
to
get
direction
from
you
in
the
form
of
maybe
two
or
three
options
that
we
can
then
move
forward
for
and
while
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
meaningful
number
of
items
to
chew
on
this
evening,
the
reality
is
that
there
could
be
20
or
30
iterations
of
things,
so
we've
simply
tried
to
give
what
we
think
is
a
reasonable
range
of
things
for
your
debate
and
discussion.
M
We're
happy
to
answer
questions
as
we
go
along
about
other
possible
iterations,
of
course,
but
I
would
just
note
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
something
simpler
than
not
is
better.
We
know
that
enforcement
from
practice,
not
just
in
Boulder
but
in
other
examples
around
the
country
that
enforcement
is
a
challenging.
Most
people
do
want
to
follow
laws,
but
it
also
means
that
they
have
to
be
able
to
understand
them
so
to
the
degree
that
the
regulations
are
somewhat
intuitive
to
people.
M
That's
always
helpful
in
that
report
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Carl
geiler.
Who
has
been
the
lead
on
this
and
appreciate
again
his
hard
work.
N
So
we'll
be
talking
about
occupancy
reform
tonight,
as
an
area
mentioned,
we
talked
about
this
in
November,
so
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
more
information
tonight.
N
Basically,
the
format
of
tonight's
discussion
is
I'll,
be
providing
a
little
bit
of
background
on
occupancy
and
Boulder
some
of
the
history
a
little
bit
about
what
the
current
requirements
are
in
the
land
use
code
and
then
I'll,
move
on
to
community
engagement.
I'll
talk
about
what
we've
heard
thus
far.
It's
been
an
ongoing
discussion
for
years,
but
we've
been
able
to
get
some
engagement
in
the
last
few
weeks.
N
So
I
want
to
share
that
with
you
all
and
then
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
sample
communities
that
we've
provided
within
the
packet
on
how
different
cities
and
communities
throughout
the
country
handle
occupancy
and
then
of
learning
from
that
we've
drawn
some
potential
options
for
Council
consideration
like
Brad,
said
we're
looking
to
maybe
try
to
narrow
that
down
and
then
really
move
into
the
options,
development
stage
and
start
to
get
some
feedback
from
folks
on
a
narrowed
set
of
of
options.
N
So
these
are
the
questions
that
we're
posing
to
council
tonight.
Does
city
council
have
any
comments
or
questions
related
to
the
sample
communities
that
were
researched
and
then
the
second
question
is
which
potential
options
should
be
the
focus
of
any
further
analysis,
Outreach
and
ultimately
ordinance
development.
N
So
moving
into
background
gonna
quickly
go
over
the
history
of
occupancy
regulations
in
Boulder
attachment
B
of
the
packet
actually
goes
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
this,
so
the
first
zoning
code
in
the
city
of
Boulder
was
adopted,
I
think
in
the
late
1920s
in
the
early
1950s.
There
was
a
limitation
on
units
where
it
was
limited
to
one
family
per
unit
in
certain
areas
of
the
city
in
the
1950s
that
was
changed
to
family
or
five
unrelated
persons
in
1962.
N
The
code
was
changed
to
lower
that
five
unrelated
persons
to
three
unrelated
in
the
1970s.
They
updated
the
definition
of
family
with
the
occupancy
regulations
to
allow
two
additional
rumors
with
a
family,
and
that's
still
in
the
code
today
and
then
in
attachment
B
you'll
notice.
N
There's
a
lot
of
detail
about
some
rezonings
that
occurred
particularly
around
downtown
University
Hill
Goss
Grove
areas
where
the
zones
were
changed
from
higher
density
zones
to
more
lower
density
or
medium
density
zones,
so
that
created
some
non-conforming
occupancies
in
those
areas
that
still
exist.
Today,
during
the
1980s,
the
city
was
sending
inspectors
out
to
properties
to
keep
records
on
those
non-conforming
occupancies.
We
still
look
at
those
records
today
as
reference
for
any
projects
that
come
in
and
then
moving
into
1990s
in
1993.
N
The
council
at
that
time
actually
eliminated
that
status
for
many
properties
that
had
non-conforming
occupancies.
It
basically
changed
the
code
to
say
that
all
units
have
to
meet
the
current
level,
the
current
limitations
on
occupancy.
So
obviously
this
did
get
a
little
bit
of
pushback
from
landlords
that
now
had
empty
bedrooms
rooms
that
they
had
had
to
rent
out
before
or
now
empty.
They
lost
some
Revenue.
It
caused
some
landlords
to
actually
increase
rents
to
make
up
the
difference.
N
N
Then
there
was
a
period
of
time
where
there
weren't
any
changes
to
the
occupancy
regulations,
but
this
Council
will
probably
remember
that
we
adopted
regulations
on
cooperatives
several
years
ago
in
2017.
So
an
occupancy
limitation
for
those
co-ops
was
added
to
the
code
and
then
one
year
later
there
was
un-updated
occupancy
rugs
for
adus,
which
I'll
talk
about.
N
So
this
is
the
the
current
state
of
of
the
code.
You'll
notice
that
in
our
definition,
section
of
the
code,
we
have
a
definition
of
family.
This
is
very
similar
to
other
jurisdictions.
A
lot
of
the
definitions
are
very
similar:
there's
no
limitation
on
the
number
of
family
members
based
on
a
1970
Supreme,
Court
ruling,
no
limitation
on
number
of
family
members.
N
When
you
go
to
section
985
in
the
code.
This
is
where
it
specifies
occupancy
throughout
the
city.
So
there's
like
basically
four
different
situations,
so
it's
either
members
of
a
family
plus
two
additional
persons,
not
in
a
separate
unit
unless
you
were
to
go
to
an
Adu.
N
The
second
option
is
three
unrelated
persons
and
generally
the
lower
intensity
zones,
so
public
zones,
agricultural
zones,
the
rural
residential,
the
residential
estate
and
the
low
density
residential
zones,
it's
for
unrelated
persons
in
all
other
zoning
districts.
So
that's
our
mixed
use
zones,
our
mixed
density
zones,
our
high
density
zones,
business
zones,
industrial
zones,
downtown,
and
then
the
next
option
is
just
two
persons
and
any
of
their
children
by
Blood
marriage,
guardianship,
children
or
adoption
foster
children.
N
There
are
specifics
for,
like
I,
said
adus,
co-ops
and
group
living
uses,
so
the
Adu
definition
basically
says
or
on
occupancy
that
the
occupancy,
like
should
be
the
same
as
a
single
family
house,
basically
a
family
and
up
to
two
additional
rumors,
but
it
specifies
in
that
section
only
that
those
two
additional
occupants
of
of
that
Adu
can
have
dependence
in
there.
So
we
we
tried
to
write
something
in
the
code
that
was
a
little
bit
more
family
friendly
for
the
adus.
N
The
co-op
regs
are
similar
to
this,
where
it
allows
12
persons
in
the
lower
intensity
zones
and
up
to
15
persons
in
the
other
zones.
The
thing
about
co-ops,
though,
is
that
it
does
require
A
license.
They
have
to
go
through
a
licensing
process
and
the
city
is
only
issuing
10
licenses
per
year
on
those
co-ops
just
like
other
our
communities.
The
city
of
Boulder
has
group
living
uses
like
group
homes,
institutional
uses,
Residential
Care
Facilities
congregate
care
facilities
that
allow
higher
occupancies.
N
N
So
this
is
a
map
that
just
kind
of
shows
the
general
two
occupancy
limits
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
The
areas
in
green
are
the
areas
where
four
unrelated
persons
are
permitted,
and
then
you
can
see
that
there's
a
wide
swap
of
areas
that
are
lower
density,
zoning
districts,
that
limited
to
three
unrelated
and
that's
what's
shown
in
Orange.
N
It
did
not
pass,
but
it
was
close,
so
48
percent
said
yes
to
it.
52
said
no,
as
we
noted
in
the
memo,
there
has
been
some
statistical
surveys
done.
That
indicated
a
lot
of
interest
in
occupancy
reform,
maybe
a
different
solution.
So
that's
why
Council
had
requested
at
the
the
2022
Retreat
that
we
take
a
look
at
these
things,
come
up
with
some
different
options,
so
we
talked
about
this
last
year
on
November
10th,
alongside
a
number
of
other
planning
and
development
services
projects
at
a
study
session.
N
So
we
heard
at
that
study
session
that
Council
was
finding
that
occupancy
was
one
of
the
highest
priority
items
that
we
should
be
working
on.
The
timeline
that
we
proposed
to
complete
the
project,
at
least
be
by
the
beginning
or
middle
part
of
quarter
three
was
supported,
but
there
were
some
council
members
that
asked
for
a
quicker
timeline.
N
If
possible,
we
talked
about
the
level
of
public
involvement
being
the
consult
level
in
our
public
engagement
plan,
based
on
the
amount
of
of
feedback
that
we've
been
getting
on
this
topic
for
years
now,
some
council
members
express
some
concern
with
that.
N
This
is
the
direction
we
got
from
Council
from
The
Retreat,
so
it's
basically
to
perform
a
comparative
analysis
from
other
communities,
develop
a
model,
occupancy
approach
and
solicit
Community
input
for
ordinance
revisions.
This
has
informed
the
goals
of
the
project
that
we've
prepared
so
review.
City
occupancy
standards
from
other
communities
based
on
best
practices
from
other
communities,
prepare
options
that
would
be
appropriate
to
Boulder
and
consider
simple
land
use
code,
amendments
that
provide
greater
housing
opportunities
in
the
community
while
preserving
neighborhood
character
in
established
neighborhoods
and
vet
changes
with
the
community.
N
So
moving
on
to
the
community
engagement
we've
heard
thus
far
like
I
said,
occupancy
has
been
a
discussion
topic
in
the
city.
For
many
years.
N
We've
been
keeping
people
apprised
of
this
project
through
the
pnds
newsletter
and
the
City
website,
but
because
of
the
bedrooms
are
for
people
ballot
initiative
and
prior
city
council
discussions
on
occupancy,
we
have
been
getting
feedback
through
the
years
that
we've
been
still
reviewing
but
and
we've
also
been
reaching
out
to
stakeholders
and
interested
groups
and
persons.
We've
had
conversations
over
the
last
few
weeks
to
get
feedback.
N
We
also
had
an
Outreach
event
that
we
held
on
February
22nd
that
basically
won
over
all
the
different
housing
related
code,
changes
with
housing,
advocacy
groups
and
and
and
neighborhood
representatives
to
get
their
feedback.
So
I
wanted
to
just
summarize
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
hearing
so
far.
N
So
on
one
end,
we
we've
been
hearing
and
I
think
you've
been
seeing
in
in
some
of
the
emails
that
have
been
coming
through.
The
people
that
are
in
favor
of
increasing
occupancy
limits
find
that
it
would
increase
housing
opportunities
in
the
city
for
those
that
are
struggling
to
find
housing
or
struggling
to
stay.
In
Boulder,
we've
heard
that
it's
consistent
with
the
city's
housing
and
racial
Equity
goals.
N
Potential
impacts
are
not
necessarily
more
than
that
of
a
large
family.
If
you
had,
you
know
five
or
six
people
in
a
house
is
that
different
than
a
large
family
we've
heard
that
any
impacts
that
might
come
from
that
should
be
directly
done
through
enforcement
and
in
a
direct
manner
rather
than
indirectly
through
occupancy
regulations.
We've
heard
concerns
about
students
that
have
to
live
together
due
to
the
high
rental
costs.
Many
cases
this
is
violate
violations
of
The
Code.
N
By
changing
the
code,
it
could
out
allow
some
more
flexibility
to
bring
some
of
those
non-conformities
or
violations
into
compliance
with
the
code
and
just
again
allowing
more
housing
options
that
would
address
the
increasing
cost
of
housing
in
Boulder.
We've
been
hearing,
obviously
from
the
governor
that
there's
a
housing
crisis
in
Colorado-
and
this
is
something
that's
been
talked
about
quite
frequently
in
recent
weeks,
some
of
the
folks
that
have
been
expressing
opposition
or
caution
about
making
changes.
N
The
thoughts
are
that
increasing
housing,
Supply
alone
will
not
make
a
difference
or
move
the
needle
on
affordable
housing.
This
is
based
on
the
demand
in
Boulder
being
so
high
that
any
added
housing
would
just
add
more
expensive
housing
to
the
city
that
the
focus
should
really
be
more
on
deed,
restricted
housing
rather
than
just
adding
housing.
In
general,
we've
heard
that
Boulder
should,
just
instead
of
adding
housing
just
significantly
increase
in
Luffy's
commercial
linkage
fees
or
look
at
ways
to
control
rental
prices
to
obtain
more
deed,
restricted,
affordable
housing.
N
We've
heard
that
not
every
neighborhood
should
be
treated
the
same.
There's
many
University
adjacent
neighborhoods
that
are
more
impacted
than
other
neighborhoods
and
perhaps
increasing
occupancy
in
those
areas
might
not
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
then
increasing
occupancy
will
increase
enforcement
burden
on
Neighbors
in
terms
of
noise
trash
parking
and
would
only
make
more
money
for
landlords.
So
again,
these
are
quick
points
to
summarize
what
we've
been
hearing
so
I'm
going
to
now
jump
into
the
sample
communities
that
we
looked
at.
N
Obviously,
there's
been
a
number
of
different
analyzes
done
over
the
last
few
years
with
peer
communities.
We've
looked
at
all
those
peer
communities
again
since
we're
trying
to
find
you
know
best
practices.
N
We
we
wanted
to
broaden
the
Spectrum,
so
we
have
added
some
cities
that
we
wouldn't
ordinarily
be
looking
at
some
larger
cities,
basically
looking
at
cities
that
some
cities
that
are
of
comparable
size
to
the
city
of
Boulder
that
have
a
large
University
and
a
large
percentage
of
students,
but
we've
also
looked
at
some
of
the
larger
cities
that
have
big
state
schools.
Things
like
that,
just
to
see
what
they
do.
So
we've
looked
at
60
communities
throughout
the
country.
We've
looked
at
their
family
definitions,
their
occupancy
limits
in
single-family
zones
and
outside
single-family
zones.
N
We've
come
across
a
number
of
alternative
ways
of
regulating
regulating
occupancy,
whether
it's
in
the
land
use
code
or
it's
in
definitions,
different
variations
of
co-ops
that
we've
seen
some
of
them
regulate
through
their
family
definition
and
some
have
specific
occupancy
limits.
We
found
that
some
communities
don't
have
occupancy
limits
or
have
recently
eliminated
occupancy
limits.
So
some
of
those
examples
are
really
west
coast.
States
have
state
legislation
that
make
it
illegal
to
have
zoning
laws
on
occupancy,
so
that's
California,
Oregon
and
Washington.
So
in
looking
at
those
communities,
they
don't
have.
N
Obviously
not
a
West
Coast
State
I
should
point
out
that
in
attachment
C,
where
we
have
a
summary
it's
put
in
there
as
two
as
their
occupancy
limit,
it
should
actually
say
two
or
more.
That's.
If
you
look
at
attachment.
D
you'll
see
the
actual
language
in
the
code
and
it
says
two
or
more,
it's
kind
of
an
odd
way
of
saying
it,
but
they
don't
have
a
limitation.
Basically,
based
on
that,
how
it's
written
some
communities
have
reduced
occupancy
limits
in
areas
around
their
University.
Some
examples
are
Austin
Texas
and
College.
N
Station
Texas
Austin
has
some
single-family
zones
that
surround
the
universities
that
had
a
higher
occupancy
limit
in
the
past.
It
was
like
six
unrelated
and
based
on
some
concerns,
particularly
related
to
students
living
in
what
they
called
super
duplexes
or
what
they
called
Shadow
dorms.
N
Those
were
reduced
to
four
unrelated
in
recent
years
and
then
College
Station
is
an
example
of
a
community
where
they
actually
have
an
overlay
that
limits
where
they
have
a
higher
occupancy
limo
outside
the
overlay
but
lower
within
the
overlay
by
the
University
there's
some
other
communities
that
have
increased
occupancy
around
their
universities,
so
Charlottesville
Virginia
and
Tuscaloosa
Alabama,
you're,
probably
already
aware
about
Madison
since
I
talked
about
this
in
the
memo-
and
it's
been
recent
news,
but
Madison
had
a
two
unrelated
person
occupancy
limit
in
their
single-family
zones.
N
It's
three
unrelated
throughout
the
city
and
if
the
way
the
code
was
written
before
is,
if
you
wanted
to
have
three
unrelated
in
the
single
family
zones,
the
unit
had
to
be
owner
occupied
so
at
the
end
of
February,
Madison
actually
brought
this
to
their
through
their
planning
board
and
their
city
council
and
rescinded
that
role.
They
changed
the
requirements
of
five
unrelated
city-wide,
so
five
unrelated
Citywide
is
what
we've
seen
in
a
number
of
communities
recently,
like
Denver,
has
made
this
change.
N
So
this
is
just
showing
attachment.
D
the
60
communities.
One
column
shows
the
definitions
of
family,
which
you'll
see
are
probably
very
similar
from
Community
to
community
and
then
the
other.
The
the
right
hand,
column,
is
really
getting
into
the
occupancy
regulation.
So
I
don't
claim
to
be
an
expert
on
all
60
communities,
but
I've
tried
to
pull
out
a
lot
of
the
themes
that
that
we're
seeing
and
and
try
to
summarize
that
in
the
memo
and
then
just
for
ease
of
reference.
N
Some
of
the
analysis
that
we've
seen
is
looking
at
table.
One
in
the
memo
is
really
looking
at
specific
occupancy
limits
per
units
in
the
single
family
zones
in
the
in
the
communities.
N
So
in
this
case,
32
of
of
the
communities
had
a
limit
of
two
which
is
less
than
Boulder,
obviously,
and
then
roughly
equal
number
of
three
and
four
at
23
and
18,
and
then
12
percent
had
limits
of
five,
and
then
we
have
a
category
called
different
limit,
which
is
15
of
the
of
the
communities
That's
Where
It's,
Like,
There's,
No
Limit,
or
it's
an
even
large
higher
limit
than
five
like
six
or
potentially
eight.
N
N
N
So
looking
at
the
zones
outside
of
the
single
family
zones,
you
can
see
a
roughly
quarter
of
the
communities
have
four
as
their
occupancy
limit,
which
matches
the
city
of
Boulder's
current
limit
and
then
a
number
of
communities
15
allow
five
and
then
two
percent
allow
six
and
then
we
get
into
that
different
limit
category.
So
again,
it's
roughly
half
of
the
communities
end
up
having
allowing
more
than
the
city
of
Boulder
does,
but
some
have
different
ways
of
going
about
it.
N
So
it's
difficult
to
determine
if
they
all
if
it
allows
more
but
generally
the
the
five
and
six
are.
What
we're
pointing
into
look
at
I
also
want
to
point
out,
there's
a
number
of
other
cities
that
Define
functional
families,
households
and
housekeeping
units.
These
are
generally
equivalent
to
like
family
that
we
have
here
that
include
unrelated
folks
that
live
together
and
share
the
cost
and
living
in
the
unit.
That's
pretty
common
throughout
the
country.
Some
of
them
allow
it
just
the
same
as
any
like
family
limitation.
N
Some
actually
have
a
a
process,
just
like
the
city
of
Boulder
does
for
co-ops
to
get
those
approved,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
point
out.
We
pointed
out
some
communities
that
allow
increased
occupancy
for
seniors,
there's
some
local
examples
and
other
examples
throughout
the
country
and
just
to
point
out,
we
brought
through
an
ordinance
several
years
ago
to
allow
increased
occupancy
for
seniors
up
to
10
in
some
of
the
rural,
residential
and
Rural
residential
estate
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
N
This
was
not
passed
by
the
council
at
the
time
due
to
the
opposition
that
had
come
out
as
part
of
that
process.
N
B
Thanks
Carl
folks,
if
you've
got
questions
about
the
research,
that's
been
done.
We're
obviously
going
to
have
questions
and
comments
about
the
options
that
staff
put
in
the
Remo
in
in
a
bit
in
the
second
half
of
the
presentation.
But
this
is
a
good
place
to
pause
and
ask
questions
about
the
background.
Data
collection.
We're
going
to
start
with
Tara
And
then
go
to
Nicole.
H
Thanks
Carl,
my
first
question
is
Austin:
do
you
know
how
it's
going
over
there
now
that
they
went
from
six
to
four?
Do
you
have
any
updates
yeah.
N
I
actually
talked
to
the
to
a
planner
who's
worked
there
for
many
years.
He
said
there
were
a
lot
of
concerns
and
complaints
when
the
limitation
was
six
per
unit.
Like
I
said,
there
was
a
number
of
duplexes
in
those
neighborhoods
that
they
call
Super
duplexes,
because
it
allowed
up
to
12
people
per
building,
which
you
know
caused
a
lot
of
complaints
in
their
neighborhood,
so
heat
in
the
discussion
we
had
with
with
him.
Basically
when
they
lowered
the
occupancy
limits.
N
We
we
talked
to
Madison
too.
We
thought
that
was
a
interesting
Community,
because
I
had
that
owner
occupancy
requirement.
N
When
we
talked
to
them
they
they
basically
talk
to
us
about
the
complications
that
they
had
in
the
enforcement
of
the
owner
occupancy
requirement.
It
was
very
difficult
to
know
if
a
property
was
owner
occupied
or
not,
and
because
of
those
enforcement
problems,
that's
what
led
them
to
rescind
it
and
go
to
the
five
unrelated.
B
You're,
good,
okay:
let's
we
get
a
lot
of
hands
up
this
great
Nicole
and
Matt
and
Denmark
Nicole.
Thank.
I
You
I
was
just
wondering
when,
when
looking
at
these
policies,
when
were
they
implemented,
so
these
policies
that
other
cities
have
the
60
or
so
were
they
implemented
like
in
2020,
were
they
implemented
in
1950?
So
we
have
a
sense
of
how
old
they
are,
how
recent
they
are.
N
That
I
don't
know
we
basically
went
into
their
their
zoning
codes
and
and
looked
what
they
had
on
the
books
right
now
and
then
we
we
took
interest
in
ones
where
we
heard
from
them.
We
reached
out
in
emails
to
a
number
of
communities,
and
that's
where
we
learned
that
some
were
in
the
process
of
recently
making
changes
to
their
occupancy
wrecks,
but
I
don't
have
a
sense
of
when
those
were
actually
administered.
Originally
I
I
think
a
lot
of
these
regulations,
I
think
came
about
I.
I
Okay,
yep
so
around
the
time
of
the
Civil
Rights
era,
and
all
that
and
I'm
with
all
these
policies,
I
just
want
to
clarify
their
policies
right,
they're,
not
sort
of
best
practices,
they're,
just
kind
of
the
things
that
other
communities
are
doing
right
now
is
that
correct,
yeah.
N
I
Thank
you
and
just
one
last
question
about
these,
and
you
mentioned
that
there
are
some
places
that
have
just
gotten
rid
of
occupancy
restrictions
altogether
in
those
communities,
though
I'm
are
there
still
kind
of
building
code,
and
maybe
this
is
something
Lauren
could
help
help
us
do
like
building
codes
or
something
that
still
protects
safety.
So
you
can't
have
like
25
people
crammed
into
100
square
foot.
Yes,.
N
All
communities
have
a
building
and
life
safety
codes.
There's
it's
important
to
know
that
you're
not
packing,
so
many
people
in
that
it's
difficult
for
them
to
escape.
If
there's
a
fire,
you
know
things
like
that.
So
most
communities
have
those
types
of
regs
still.
O
H
P
Thanks
Bob
and
thanks
Carl
and
Brad,
and
all
team
for
just
compiling
all
this.
This
is
I
mean
it's
a
good
baseline
from
us
to
work
from
so
so
I.
Thank
you
for
for
doing
the
Deep
dive
and
reading
everyone
else's
planning
stuff,
and
you
can
see
other
any
helpful
nuggets
that
Boulder
could
adopt
outside
of
occupancy.
Let
us
know
if
you
see
that
many
other
cities,
but
my
question
centers
around
maybe
Denver
a
little
closer
to
home.
P
If
I
recall
they've
done
they
did
this
about
they
moved
to
five
about
a
year
ago.
Is
that
about
right,
I.
P
So
I'm
just
wondering:
has
there
been
any
analysis
as
to
those
impacts?
I
would
imagine
that.
Similarly,
there
were
probably
similar
concerns
as
we're
seeing
here
in
our
community
about
moving
occupancy
to
five
and
were
those
concerns
realized.
Did
they
come
true
or
or
have
we
kind
of
just
had
occupancy
move
to
five
and
people
have
kind
of
gone
about
their
their
merry
way,
and
so
I'm
just
sort
of
curious
about
any
analysis
from
our
friends
in
Denver.
N
N
I
think
part
of
it
is,
is
that
you
know,
even
though
the
number
goes
to
five
or
six
or
whatever,
not
every
unit
or
owner
decides
to
have
that
many
people
in
their
house
I
think
in
the
Denver
research
they
actually
looked
at
a
number
of
different
cities
and
saw
that
you
know
most
most
units
still
are
floating
between
two
and
three
persons
in
them.
So
it's
not
like
something.
That's
just
immediate
impact,
but
they've
not
seen
any
any
uptick
from
what
I
gathered
from
the
conversation
with
him.
P
Well
and
I
guess
Carl
your
answer
kind
of
led
into
what
my
next
question
would
be,
which
is
sort
of
the
idea.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
more
official
term
but
sort
of
use
useful
occupancy
in
terms
of
like,
what's
actually
used
up,
there's
like
available
occupancy.
When
you
say
now,
it
can
be
up
to
five,
but
do
you
have
any
sense
of
just
how
much
of
that
is
actually
being
utilized?
P
I
think
you
maybe
answered
a
little
bit
that
most
are
hanging
out
at
two
or
three,
and
maybe
one
question
is
maybe
comparing
like
a
place
like
Denver
that
has
five
to
maybe
a
place
like
Vancouver
who
has
no
occupancy
limits
whatsoever
or
or
another
city
and
I'm
just
wondering
is
it
does?
Does
it
sort
of
produce
this
tsunami
of
occupancy
like
some
are
concerned
with,
and
maybe
your
previous
answer
kind
of
addressed
that
but
I
wanted
to
more
specifically
ask
that
question
about
sort
of
useful
occupancy.
No.
N
We
we've
not
heard
that
and
and
yeah
and
their
research
that
Denver
did
even
Vancouver.
That
has
like
some
of
the
highest
densities
in
North
America
had
not
seen
a
huge
increase
in
occupancy.
Their
average
is
still
around
the
same
as
Denver's.
That
said,
you
know
obviously
areas
around.
You
know.
Universities
might
be
different.
You
know
if
there
is
a
area
where
it
makes
sense
for
a
lot
of
students
to
cohabitate
because
of
cost.
You
know
they
they
may
take
advantage
of
of
an
increase.
N
B
Thanks
Matt
Mark,
then
Lauren.
O
Thank
you,
Carl.
That
was
a
great
presentation
and
I
really
appreciate
it
in
your
in
the
course
of
your
research.
Did
you
take
a
look
at
enforcement
practices
across
the
various
cities
to
see
how
it
has
any
impact
or
effect
on
you
know
the
basic
practices
of
of
renting
and
I
suspect?
You
know
a
lot
of
The
Flash
points
and
friction
if
not
in
most
of
these,
certainly
in
this
city
is
not
necessarily
whether
you
have
three
or
four
or
five
people.
O
O
N
Yeah
I've
had
some
conversations
with
other
art,
other
city
planners
about
occupancy
and
enforcement.
I
think
what
I
I
got
from
the
discussions
was
that
their
focus
has
been
more
on.
What
are
the
impacts?
N
Is
it
detritus
in
the
front
yard?
Is
it
a
parking
impact?
Is
it
noise
less
so
about
looking
into
the
number
of
persons?
N
B
Thanks
Mark
Lauren
and
if
no
one
else
has
a
question
I
do.
Q
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
Q
My
question
was
all
the
first
question
was
about
enforcement
as
well,
because
sort
of
on
a
different
side
than
Mark
took
it
though
I
used
to
live
in
Eugene
and
our
occupancy
that
was
maybe
closer
to
double.
What
apparently
was
allowed
and
I
had
never
heard
of
anyone
experiencing
any
occupancy
enforcement,
while
I
lived
there
like
I,
don't
think
we
were
even
aware
that
it
was
a
rule,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
you
know.
M
Carl,
do
you
want
me
to
take
that
one
sure
sure
I'll
share
my
experience
in
other
jurisdictions
with
occupancy
and
what
I've
come
to
understand
too
in
Boulders.
First
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
there's
been
a
hold
on
a
proactive
enforcement
relative
to
covet
protocols
and
then
segueing
into
this
and
Boulder,
but
certainly
as
a
response
to
complaints
and
most
jurisdictions,
both
through
my
understanding
and
talking
to
other.
You
know,
working
with
other
jurisdictions
and
in
jurisdictions.
M
I've
worked
acknowledge
that
it
is
mostly
complaint
based
and
ultimately
it
is
the
externalities
that
folks,
there
are
often
most
concerned
about
trash
weeds,
those
kind
of
things
and,
as
Carl
noted
in
his
presentation,
those
are
things
that
are
operational
and
to
be
managed
through
that,
where
there
is
a
complaint
and
the
mechanics
of
that
often
involve
voluntary
disclosure,
and
you
can
appreciate
the
you
know
the
importance
of
or
the
the
challenges
of
giving
accurate
information
in
that
case
too.
M
But
I
do
also
like
to
point
out
that
again
most
people
like
to
follow
the
rules,
most
renters
and
landlords
do
and
just
like
a
law
for
jaywalking
that
maybe
isn't
actively
or
aggressively
enforced.
It
still
has
a
role
in
in
managing
the
impacts
for
intensity
of
use,
which
is
ultimately
the
goal
of
many
different
zoning
regulations.
M
And
so
that's
why
it
has
a
place
you
know,
historically
in
Boulder's
record
of
of
code
and
and
and
how
that
really
does
continue
to
be
a
tool,
as
I
indicated
in
the
toolbox.
Q
Yeah
I
do
have
a
couple
well
just
because
you
were
talking
about
why
these
occupancy
rules
exist.
I
was
wondering
if
you
are
aware
of
what
the
first
occupancy
and
Rule
enacted
in
our
country
was.
N
Q
Yeah
well,
I,
don't
know
about
single-family
homes,
but
the
first
one
in
the
country
was
in
San
Francisco
and
one
of
its
criticisms,
even
at
the
time,
was
that
it
was
pretty
backed
by
pretty
explicitly
racist
intentions
right.
It
was
only
acted
upon
against
people
in
Chinatown,
basically
they'd
it
was
not
enforced
and
even
you
know,
there's
things
in
the
paper
about
legislators.
Q
Own
homes
probably
would
not
have
held
up
to
the
standards
that
were
required,
and
so
this,
this
unequal
enforcement
thing
I
think,
is
something
that
has
always
been
an
issue
with
occupancy
and
just
something
to
be
for
us
to
think
of
and
be
aware
of.
As
we
look
at
these
regulations.
Q
My
last
question
is
about
rental,
rental
agreements
and
Rental
restrictions.
So
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
there
rental
agreements
can
still
limit
the
number
of
occupancy
of
the
number
of
occupants
allowed
beyond
what
the
city
allows
right
or
I
mean
reduce
it
from
what
the
city
allows.
Of
course,
I.
B
Thanks
Lauren
I,
don't
see
another
hands
up
so
Carl
or
Brad
I'd
like
to
ask
you
a
couple
questions.
This
is
not
so
much
on
the
comparative
study
you
guys
did,
which
I
thought
was
fantastic
by
the
way,
but
really
just
about
focusing
on
on
our
city,
and
this
is
probably
as
good
a
place
to
ask
these
questions
as
any
I
assume.
First,
first
of
all
that
we're
primarily
talking
about
rental
properties
here
right
we're
not
a
situation
where
we
have
four
or
five
like
co-owners
of
a
piece
of
real
estate
living
together.
B
N
I
mean
the
current
regulations
apply
to
either
rentals
or
or
owned.
I
think
the
concerns
arise
from
you
know,
rentals
and
and
the
externalities
from
those
not
to
say
that
there
can't
be
or
aren't
any
situations
where
other
people
opt
to
live
together.
You
know
unrelated
elsewhere,
but
I
think
the
focus
has
largely
been
on
rentals.
M
Yeah,
numerically,
oh
I'm,
sorry
council,
member
I
was
gonna
move
the
next
question
so
go
ahead,
yeah
just
to
add
to
what
Carl
said
that
almost
certainly
is
going
to
be
too
just
mathematically.
Given
the
high
percentage
of
rentals
in
Boulder
I,
think
somebody
will
know
the
number
better
but
I
think
it's
something
like
65
percent
of
total.
B
Right
right
that
you,
that
was
a
good
segue
into
my
second
question,
Brad,
so
that
six,
we
always
talk
about
roughly
50
of
the
people
that
live
in
Boulder
are
are
renters.
The
65
is
that
that
measure
by
by
bedrooms
or
our
properties.
M
B
That's
great
and
among
those
guys,
I
know
we
license
all
those
Russell
units.
Have
you
guys
done
the
current
laws,
as
you
kind
of
summarized
just
a
few
minutes
ago
or
or
our
law
is
generally
for
occupancy
of
four,
and
the
exception
is
in
I,
think
there
was
five
zoning
districts
where
that
that
number
is
three
p
and
a
and
our
rnre
and
RL.
Do
you
guys
know
and
I'm?
Sorry?
If
this
was
the
memo,
I
didn't
see
it,
but
you
guys
know.
B
N
B
If
you
were
gonna
guess
because
I'm
trying
to
get
a
sense,
whether
we're
mostly
fours
or
mostly
threes-
and
you
know
some
of
these
are
like
residential
I
mean
you
know-
rural
rural,
residential
and
residential
States
and
that
kind
of
stuff
kind
of
kind
of
places
where
there's
bigger
houses
that
I
might
imagine,
probably
are
not
have
a
whole
lot
of
rental
tenants
in
them.
B
B
Okay,
yeah,
if
you
could
gather
that
information
the
next
time
you
check
in
with
us
that'd,
be
fine
and
then
kind
of
a
similar
question.
How
hard?
How
hard
would
it
be
and
I
think
I
asked
this
question
of
Brad
a
week
or
so
Agony
I
think
his
answer
was
hard,
so
I'm
gonna
see
if
I
get
a
different
answer
from
Carl.
How
hard
would
it
be
to
go
through
those
licensed
rental
properties
that
we
have
here
in
town
and
and
give
us
a
guesstimate
of
like
bedroom
size?
N
N
I
think
it
was
kind
of
uneven
prior
to
like
the
1990s
of
of
writing
down
the
number
of
bedrooms
so
because
it
was
so
uneven,
they
just
stopped
keeping
the
record
of
number
of
bedrooms
at
some
point.
So
it's
very
difficult.
You
know
you
can
do
a
broader.
You
know
breakdown
of
of
rentals
and
Licensing,
but
actually
figuring
out
the
number
of
bedrooms.
It
probably
wouldn't
give
us
an
accurate
answer,
despite
the
amount
of
time
it
would
take,
so
that
that's
the
answer
that
I
got
from
licensing
yeah.
M
That
we
did
explore
a
secondary
way
of
doing
that
through
the
county
data,
but
for
a
variety
of
technical
reasons,
not
not
even
poor
record
keeping
because
because
their
records,
you
know
through
assessor
and
such
are
consistent
over
the
years.
But
the
corollary
between
bedroom
and
unit
is
just
not
discerned
in
the
data.
B
B
You
know
how
many
roughly,
how
many
of
those
rental
units
in
town
are
under
the
three
regime
versus
the
four
regime,
I
I,
take
your
estimate
and
I
would
tend
to
concur
with
you
Carl
that
probably
the
vast
majority
of
four
would
it
be
nice
to
know
is
that
80
20
90
10?
You
know
what
percentage
of
them
if
it's
not
too
much
work,
yeah
I,
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Any
other
questions
about
the
data
collection,
don't
see
other
hands
up.
A
N
So
I'm
going
to
move
into
the
potential
options
we've
identified
for
discussion
tonight,
just
a
overall
summary.
N
We
have
seven
options
that
we
wanted
Council
to
take
a
look
at
give
us
some
feedback
on,
so
we
can
narrow
it
down,
like
Brad,
said,
maybe
to
one
two
or
three
options
that
we
could
then
look
at
further
and
bring
out
to
the
community
for
feedback.
But
what
we've
looked
at
and
derived
from
the
research
is
increasing
the
number
of
occupants
in
all
zones
by
one.
So
that's,
like
you
know,
moving
the
three
to
a
four
and
then
the
four
to
a
five.
That's
that's
the
option.
N
A
B
is
just
increasing
occupancy
to
four
or
five
unrelated
city-wide.
N
C
is
like
the
Madison
example,
which
obviously
like
I
noted,
has
been
rescinded.
Only
allow
increased
occupancy
in
single
family
areas
in
owner
occupied
units,
d
and
e
is
is
kind
of
the
college
station
and
Austin
example
of
only
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
that's
for
F,
but
d
and
e
is
just
only
increasing
occupancy
and
non-single
family
dwelling
zones
or
non-single
family
dwelling
units
I.
N
Think
the
only
example
of
that
is
Chapel
Hill
that
we
saw
f
is
one
that
talks
about
restricting
basically
freezing
the
occupancy
where
it
is
now
in
certain
University
adjacent
areas
and
then
an
increasing
occupancy
in
other
zones.
This
could
be
done
through
some
sort
of
mapping
or
overlay,
like
I
said
that's
similar
to
Austin,
Texas
and
College
Station
and
then
option.
N
G
is
no
change,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
slides
of
the
different
options,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
detail
of
the
pros
and
cons
because
you
have
that
in
the
packet.
But
if
we
wanted
to
to
stop
on
any
of
these
and
discuss,
I
certainly
can
do
so
so
again
option
A,
option
b.
This
is
all
in
your
memo
and
we've
listed
the
example
cities
that
that
match
this
option:
option
C.
N
Option
f
and
then
the
new
Change
option
so
before
I
conclude,
I
was
just
going
to
talk
about
next
steps,
so
obviously
we're
at
a
study
session
tonight
we're
hoping
to
get
feedback
on
a
narrow
set
of
options
or
option
tonight
and
then
we're
looking
to
do
more
Outreach.
N
Following
this
meeting
and
more
analysis
on
whatever
options,
we
can
start
developing
further
we're
going
to
be
giving
an
update
to
planning
board
tentatively
scheduled
for
April
18th,
we're
going
to
give
an
update
to
the
housing,
Advisory
Board
tenant
release
scheduled
for
April
26th
and
then
during
the
course
of
that
we'll
start
developing
ordinances
and
then
I
think
at
that
point,
we'll
probably
need
to
get
some
more
feedback
on
those
options
from
the
council.
N
So
we're
probably
looking
at
a
matters
check-in
with
Council
in
the
May
and
June
time
frame,
and
then
what
we
have
tentatively
scheduled
at
this
point
is
bringing
an
ordinance
to
planning
board
in
July
and
then
bringing
that
ordinance
to
City
Council
in
August
of
this
year.
Foreign.
N
B
Thanks
Carl,
that
was,
that
was
very
efficient.
So
folks,
let
me
suggest
this
one
we
I
know
people
will
want
to
weigh
in
on
the
various
options
and
we
all
should
weigh
in
on
the
options,
but
before
we
get
to
the
specific
opinions,
let's
limit
this
next
kind
of
round
to
just
questions
about
the
options,
anything
about
the
options
that
anybody
doesn't
understand,
we'll
start
with
Aaron.
G
Kim,
my
question
is
actually
about
engagement
rather
than
the
options,
but
so
I
saw
in
the
the
memo
Carl.
There
was
a
an
intention
to
reach
out
to
the
community
connectors
as
part
of
the
engagement.
Can
you
just
confirm
that
please.
N
Yeah
we've
been
working
with
the
staff
that
are
the
Liaisons
to
that
group.
We've
already
gone
to
them
on
a
number
of
other
issues,
so
we
are
planning
to
go
to
them.
After
this
meeting
we
thought
it
more
efficient
to
find
out
what
options
actually
are
resonating
with
Council
and
then
get
their
feedback,
but
we
will
be
going
to
them.
G
Great
yeah
no
makes
sense
to
get
through
this
stage
first,
but
that's
very
good
to
hear
I
think
I'll
be
very
interested
in
their
feedback
and
then
the
other
one.
This
is
list
about
engagement,
but
I
didn't
see
anything
about
using
our
racial
Equity
tool
and
a
racial
Equity
analysis
as
we're
moving
forward
with
this.
Have
you
planned
for
that
already
or
do
you
need
guidance
from
us
to
do
that?
What
what's
your
thinking
there,
but.
N
We've
already
begun
that
process
we've
been
going
through
the
the
toolkit
on
this
particular
project.
I.
Think
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
on
adus
is
also
pertinent
here,
just
on
housing
needs
and
opening
up
opportunities.
So
it's
an
ongoing
analysis
that
we're
doing,
but
we
felt
that
there's
some
gaps
that
we've
determined
in
the
analysis.
So
that's
why
we
wanted
to
go
to
the
community
connectors
in
Residence
to
find
out
more
on
that,
but
it's
in
process.
M
G
B
Thanks
Aaron
Nicole,
what
questions
do
you
have.
I
Yeah
I
just
have
a
question
with
I
think
it
probably
applies
to
all
of
these
options
the
same
way,
but
are
there
common
data?
We
have
now
that
we
can
track
that
we
could
follow
for
a
year
or
two
to
kind
of
look
at
any
potential
positive,
negative,
no
impacts
of
any
changes
that
may
arise
then.
Would
that
be
different
for
any
of
the
options.
N
I
B
Yeah,
let
me
just
make
a
suggestion.
That's
a
great
question
Nicole,
how
about
we
focus
on
questions
now
and
then,
when
we
get
to
comments,
let's,
let's
provide
comments
on
both
engagement
and
also
our
preferences
that
okay
yep.
I
Yeah,
okay,
great
so
you
know
as
we're
thinking
about
the
engagement
process
and
the
folks
who
are
going
to
be
impacted
by
our
decisions
on
this
issue.
Are
we
including
groups
of
renters,
who
are
living
in
homes
with
unrelated
people?
So
specifically,
looking
at
that
group
of
renters
who
are
living
in
these
unrelated
situations.
N
I
Okay
and
then,
how
are
we
going
to
include
the
neighborhoods
that
haven't
shown
a
strong
interest
in
this
topic,
but
have
a
lot
of
renters.
N
I
think
you
know
we
work
with
our
Communications
folks
on
getting
the
word
out
on
things.
So
I
think
what
we
would
do
is
Target
those
areas
that
we
think
have
a
lot
of
rentals
and
then
use
social
media
or
next
door
as
ways
of
making
people
aware
of
of
this
process.
I
N
I
Okay
and
then
in
the
process
of
working
on
these
different
options
and
exploring
them,
will
we
also
be
spending
some
time
thinking
about
intentionally
our
definition
of
family
and
specifically
engaging
with
groups
who
maybe
have
a
different
perspective
of
what
family
means
and
making
sure
that
we're
doing
that
in
a
really
inclusive
way.
N
We
hadn't
thought
that
the
family
definition
needed
to
be
updated,
but
I
think
as
we
go
through
this
process
and
we
talk
to
people
and
let
them
know
about
how
the
code
Works
we're,
certainly
open
to
feedback
that
we
might
hear
from
the
community.
That
might
beg
a
change
to
that
definition.
We've
not
heard
that
as
of
yet,
but
we
could.
We
could
focus
on
that
on
Outreach
to
see.
I
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
think
this
is
my
last
question.
It's
not
a
comment
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
engagement
you
come
back
to
us,
will
we
be
able
to
see
a
breakdown
of
who
has
engaged
by
their
renter
homeowner
status
as
well
as
specifically
those
folks
who
have
engaged
who
are
living
with
unrelated
people.
N
B
Thanks
Nicole
Mark,
what
questions
do
you
have.
O
Just
one
with
respect
to
the
proposals
to
increase
the
number
of
approved
residents,
especially
going
to
five,
is
that
going
to
apply
to
efficiency
units
which
could
be
250
square
feet?
Well,
I
mean,
what's
the
theory
on
that,
putting
five
people
in
a
you
know,
15
by
20
space
or.
N
If
it
were
just
the
the
numeric
number
per
unit,
it
would
apply
broadly
to
each
unit,
but
there
are
building
code
restrictions
on
on
on
the
occupancy.
That
I
think
would
come
into
play
in
a
smaller
space
where
they
wouldn't
like
the
building
code,
may
not
allow
that
many
people
in
a
small
unit
for
safety
reasons.
So
we
would
be
relying
on
that.
Okay.
B
Let
me
ask
you
a
quick
question
along
those
lines
again,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
question
of
suggestion,
but
perhaps
Carl
in
your
next
memo
to
us
when
you
do
that
check-in
with
us
in
mayor
June,
you
or
somebody
in
the
planning
department
could
lay
it
lay
those
out
as
part
of
the
memo
about
what
what
other
restrictions
would
come
in
place
play
in
addition
to
the
numerical
ones.
So
we
can
have
an
understanding,
sure
wasn't
really
a
question.
B
It
was
a
suggestion,
any
other
questions
before
we
get
into
actual
comments.
B
I,
don't
see
any
hands
up
so
who
wants
to
kick
us
off
on
comments
on
either
the
options?
What
their
preferences
are
again,
keep
in
mind
our
in
addition
to
providing
guidance,
which
I
think
we've
already
started
to
do
on
engagement,
which
has
been
great,
let's
also
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
two-ish
or
three-ish
of
these
options
that
we
want
staff
to
pursue
to
the
next
level
they're
seven
on
the
table,
including
including
the
status
quo.
B
I
guess,
status
quo
is
probably
always
always
implied
in
anything,
but
what
what?
What
else
do
we
want
them
to
look
at
or
above
the
status
quo?
Who
wants
to
who
wants
to
get
us
started?.
B
We
did
get
a
hotline
post
from
Rachel,
so
I
guess
you
got
to
start
it
and
but
following
following
Rachel
Holland
post
we'll
get
going
with
Nicole
and
then
Matt.
I
Okay,
so
you
know
I
I,
just
I
want
to
thank
staff.
Really,
it
seems
like
what
we're
doing
here
is
exactly
what
we
said
we
would
do,
and
what
a
lot
of
the
opponents
actually
of
the
bedroom's
ballot
measure
said
that
they
wanted
a
really
thoughtful
approach
to
occupancy
reform
that
has
really
good
Community
engagement.
I
I
personally
would
like
us
to
explore
option
Z
of
removing
occupancy
limits
all
together,
something
that
Rachel
noted
in
her
email,
but
that
just
comes
from
kind
of
me
recognizing
that
we
aren't
really
concerned
with
the
number
of
people
in
a
home
as
much
as
we're
concerned
with
the
impacts
of
denser
neighborhoods
and
what
it
means
when
we
have
more
folks
living
together,
I
think
we
have
an
average
of
around
17
actual
occupancy
violations
each
year
for
the
past
five
years
and
many
many
thousands
of
rentals
as
Bob
noted.
I
If
that's
not
an
option
at
this
time,
I'd
really
like
to
see
us
focus
on
five
unrelated
folks
and
any
dependents
they
may
have,
especially
given
how
hard
families
are
being
hit
right
now
by
increases
in
utility
bills,
food
and
basic
services
and
housing
by
now,
I
really
hope.
We've
all
seen
the
huge
rise
in
evictions
and
the
unprecedented
use
of
eviction
prevention,
funds
and
food
banks
like
effa
this
week,
Boulder
reporting
lab
pointed
to
rents
this
winter
being
up
substantially.
I
Over
last
winter,
I
checked
and
they're
up
an
average
of
250
dollars
a
month
for
January
and
February
of
this
year.
Over
2022.
I
know,
you've
heard
me,
use
the
study
before
I'm
going
to
bring
it
up
again.
According
to
the
United
States
government
accountability
office,
a
100
increase
in
median
rent
is
associated
with
a
nine
percent
increase
in
homelessness
and
I.
Don't
just
mean
unsheltered
homelessness.
I
I
mean
the
bigger
category
of
homelessness,
so
they're
likely
to
be
quite
a
few
more
households
who
are
needing
to
live
together
to
avoid
hoteling
or
homelessness,
as
we
move
through
this
year,
more
than
any
magic
fixes
to
housing.
Affordability
on
what
I
see
changes
to
occupancy
limits
doing
is
giving
families
an
option
to
avoid
homelessness.
Well,
we
hopefully
are
figuring
out
what
we
can
do
to
help
increase
to
help.
The
increasing
number
of
families
that
are
in
need.
I
I
really
hear
folks
concerns
about
having
a
bunch
of
cars,
the
noise
in
their
neighborhood
and
the
fears
that
that
some
people
have
in
our
community
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
hope
we
can
find
a
simple
solution
and
like
just
increasing
the
number
to
five,
is
that
it
really
then
helps
us
have
some
space
to
work
on
addressing
the
root
causes
of
some
of
these
issues
that
folks
are
having
in
the
community
like
minimizing
cars
and
neighborhoods,
advocating
for
supported,
off-campus
housing
or
sufficient
on-campus
student
housing
I
mean
I.
I
Think
these
occupancy
limits
that
we've
had
have
been
around
for
50
years
and
they
haven't
really
stopped
the
issues
that
we're
having
which
seem
to
just
be
growing
based
on
people's
emails.
So
I
would
love
to
focus
on
a
simple
solution
that
gets
us
to
a
place
where
we
can
focus
on
solutions
that
will
help
us
see
real
improvements.
Just
some
very
specific
comments.
A
lot
of
them
tied
to
engagement,
I'd,
really,
love
to
see
us
get
rid
of
this
definition
of
family
I.
Think
it's
outdated,
I!
Think
it's
discriminatory
and
I
think
it's
hurtful.
I
We
also
seem
to
be
thinking
about
this
from
the
perspective
of
homeowners,
not
renters
and
I
hope
that,
as
we're
moving
through
engagement,
we're
really
defining
the
the
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve
and
potential
solutions
from
a
lot
of
diverse
perspectives
and
I
would
really
like
to
make
sure
that,
as
we're
doing
the
engagement
we're
hearing
from
some
of
the
folks
that
we
haven't
heard
from
because
we
keep
hearing
from
a
lot
of
the
same
folks.
Who
are
the
people
we
haven't
heard
from
yet
and
how
can
we
reach
them?
I
And
oh
and
I'm,
hoping
that
in
the
in
part
of
the
stakeholder
Outreach,
we
can
include
student
groups
like
see
a
student
government,
especially
some
of
the
underrepresented
groups
of
students
like
the
BSA
Yuma,
CMHA
flows,
The
Pride
office,
as
well
as
non-cu
student
groups
that
are
representing
renters
workers
and
people
who
these
types
of
laws
were
originally
designed
to
exclude.
I
So
this
is
folks
like
effa
out
Boulder
County,
the
NAACP
Amistad
Boulder
area,
labor
Council,
together
Colorado
and
then
again
you
know
as
we're
thinking
about
coming
back
to
us,
with
engagement,
I'd,
really
love
to
know
the
breakdown
of
who
has
been
engaged
by
their
homeowner
renter
status,
specifically
those
who
are
living
in
a
household
with
unrelated
folks.
B
B
So
we
now
have
an
eighth
option,
which
is
remove
all
limits,
but
as
a
fallback
option
b
with
with
five,
you
do
want
to
revisit
family
definition
and
I'll
keep
track
of
that
in
a
separate
column,
and
then
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
summarize
people's
great
suggestions
on
engagement.
But
you
had
some
great
suggestions
on
engagement.
I
know
staff's
taking
some
good
notes
there.
So
is
that
pretty
accurate
Nicole?
Yes,.
I
P
All
right,
it's
like
it's
like
taking
your
box
score
at
a
baseball
game
and
watching
the
Rockies
do
their
thing.
P
Well,
so
I
appreciate
what
Nicole
said
she
she
marked
marched
off
on
on
on
a
lot
of
those
pieces
in
kind
of
Rapid
succession,
but
I
do
want
to
start
by
just
saying
that
this
is
not.
Bedrooms
are
for
people
like
at
all.
P
The
only
thing
they
have
in
common
is
that
they
address
the
issue
of
occupancy
outside
of
that
they
are
a
different
prescription,
a
different
solution
to
a
similar
and
ongoing
problem,
which
is
regarding
housing
in
our
community,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
to
separate
the
bedrooms
initiative
from
the
work
that
we're
doing
here
with
occupancy.
P
It's
interesting,
I
reflected
back
on
testimony
public
testimony
when
bedrooms
was
on
the
ballot
and
here
and
looking
at
public
testimony
that
the
council
before
us
got,
and
it
was
fascinating
because
many
of
those
pieces
of
testimony
LED
with
I'm
all
about
occupancy
reform
but
I,
just
don't
like
the
bedroom's
measure
all
right.
Well
then,
let's
hold
people
too,
if
you're
all
about
occupancy
reform,
let's
do
it
and
let's
do
it
with
a
robust
process.
Let's
take
the
Lessons
Learned
in
the
commentary
and
discussion.
P
We've
had
for
the
last
few
years
build
on
that
and
let's
find
a
solution
that
works
for
the
needs
of
our
community
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
doing
here
and
I
hope.
The
community
provides
a
little
bit
of
Grace
for
us
to
go
through
that
process
and
people
can
provide
their
commentary
when
necessary,
but
we
do
need
to
sort
of
maybe
hold
off
on
some
of
that
hyperbole.
That
has
perhaps
run
afoul
a
little
bit
in
our
emails.
P
It's
important
as
a
lesson
learned
that
what
part
of
why
bedrooms
didn't
work
is
it
didn't
have
some
of
the
guard
rails
that
we're
looking
to
do
and,
as
as
I
think
was
mentioned
earlier,
they
might
have
been
by
Nicole.
Why
are
we
regulating
people?
We
should
be
regulating
the
impacts
that
those
people
have
and
we've
already
been
doing,
that
right.
We've
we've
updated
our
trash
ordinance
and
weed
ordinance.
We've
updated
our
noise
ordinance.
We
have
an
ongoing
process
for
chronic
nuisance
and
so
we're
doing
those
things
independent
of
occupancy.
P
So
I
I
think
that
if
we
look
at
those
issues,
you
could
have
five
people
living
next
door
and
if
they're
not
making
a
trashy
mess,
not
making
a
ton
of
noise,
and
they
only
have
a
couple
Vehicles.
Would
you
even
know
they're
there
and
so
I
think
we
can
work
on
the
symptoms
and
that's
the
more
important
issue
for
us
at
hand
rather
than
regulating
people
and
who
they
get
to
associate
and
live
with.
P
P
So
why
should
occupancy
go
in
the
opposite
direction
and
us
over
complicate
things
with
overlays
and
this
rule
for
this
Zone
and
that
rule
for
this
Zone
Simplicity
has
to
be
one
of
the
measures
in
which
we
do
everything
we
are
for
predictability,
but
also
for
the
sanity
of
our
planning
department
and
members
of
our
community.
So
I
really
encourage
us
to
stick
down
that
path.
P
One
thing
I
would
ask
us
to
sort
of
look
at
here.
Is
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
question
that
really
I,
don't
even
think
we've
studied,
which
is
what
is
our
communities
first?
What
is
the
ratio
of
rental
to
ownership
in
our
community?
I
know
that
we
know
in
terms
of
people.
We
know
about
53
of
people
in
this
community
rent,
but
in
terms
of
properties,
perhaps
maybe
even
in
single
family,
where
maybe
those
impacts
are
most
concerned.
P
P
Do
we
want
to
create
levers
to
adjust
that
I
don't
have
the
answer,
but
it's
a
worthwhile
question
to
have,
as
we
think,
about
those
impacts
in
housing
as
a
whole
and
occupancy
kind
of
Spurs
that
a
little
bit
in
my
head
and
lastly,
I'll
just
sort
of
finish
with
what
my
options
are
and
I
would
I
I
think,
maybe
that
in
the
future
we
could
just
abolish
our
occupancy
as
a
whole.
P
Maybe
that's
something
we
could
do
I
think
right
now
we
have
to
have
a
limit
and
so
I
I
would
actually
bifurcate
option
b
and
actually
call
it
B4
and
B5.
So
looking
at
a
blanket
four
person
and
a
blanket
five
person
because
they
are
different
and
I'm
actually
curious,
From
staff's
perspective
and
Analysis.
What
are
those
differences
pros
and
cons,
but
it
gets
to
it
stays
in
the
realm
of
Simplicity,
but
really
just
offers
a
four
versus
five
and
we
can
look
at
those
impacts.
P
So
I'd
love
for
us
to
bifurcate
B
in
that
sense,
and
if
I
were
to
pick
another
option,
I
would
probably
pick
a
as
another
one
to
to
evaluate
and
the
reason
for
that,
even
though
it's
not
my
preference
is
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
for
us
to
do
engagement
if
we
give
them
one
choice.
That's
not
really
quality
engagement,
hey!
What
do
you
think
of
the
one
thing
we've
already
decided?
Yes
or
no,
so
I
think
we
do
need
to
have
some
options
and
so
I
think
a
bifurcation
of
B.
P
In
that
sense,
n
a
are
are
a
good
way
to
to
start.
So
those
are
my
comments
for
now.
I
reserve
the
right
to
comment
later,
if
need
be
based
on
my
colleagues,
but
thanks
Bob
for
the
time
you're.
B
Never
shy
about
that
man,
yeah
and
Matt.
Nicole
did
kind
of
suggest
that
we
look
at
Family
definition.
Is
that
something
you'd
like
staff
to
do
as
well?
Okay,
great!
Thank
you.
We
have
next
for
comments.
Mark,
fellow
by
Lauren,.
O
Well,
thank
you.
I
I
could
not
disagree
more
strongly
with
you
Matt
the
premise
that
the
initiative
defeated
in
2021
was
very
specifically
worded
and
therefore
does
not
imply
any
obligation
to
honor
what
the
voters
decided
then
is
comfortable
to
say
that.
But
it's
simply
not
the
case
in
2021
the
proposition
was:
do
we
want
to
expand
our
occupancy
limits
to
permit
one
resident
per
bedroom
plus
one?
O
To
suggest
that,
because
we're
proposing
what
we're
proposing
tonight
doesn't
use
the
exact
same
words,
it
must
be
okay
to
Simply,
ignore
the
vote
of
the
community
a
mere
16
months
earlier.
O
The
principle
is
precisely
the
same,
and
no
mental
contortions
can
obscure
that
fact
to
turn
to
the
community
and
essentially
say
that
we
do
not
have
to
recognize
anything
resulting
from
the
2021
vote,
because
we're
using
different
language
is
intellectually
unsupportable
and,
frankly,
a
betrayal
of
the
community
that
voted
against
bedrooms
today,
we're
not
only
in
in
the
likely
choices
that
we're
going
to
make
here
were
not
only
eviscerating.
The
bedroom
vote
we're
pursuing
changes
that
are
in
excess
of
what
bedrooms
proposed.
O
Five
residents
in
a
house
is
in
excess
of
what
the
bedroom
Advocates
campaigned
on
with
respect
to
efficiencies,
one-bedroom
units,
two
bedroom
units
and
three
bedroom
units.
They
even
they
come
out
even
on
four
bedroom
units,
and
the
proposed
reforms
are
only
Superior
in
units
of
five
bedrooms
and
up.
This
is
much
more
aggressive
than
the
program
that
was
defeated
16
months
ago.
O
If
you've
read
the
many
emails
on
this
issue,
there's
a
Common
Thread
among
those
who
oppose
what
we're
doing
a
deep-seated
anger
verging
on
Fury.
These
people
feel
betrayed
and
I
am
sympathetic
to
that
view.
The
promises
that
were
made
when
we
agreed
to
take
this
subject
up
were
that
we'd
be
respectful
of
what
happened
in
2021
and
they
are
nowhere
to
be
found.
We
simply
come
to
the
conclusion
that
it's
not
applicable
and
we're
free
to
do
whatever
we
want
and
I
I
just
disagree
with
that.
O
However,
I'd
like
to
make
a
suggestion
that
might
help
to
defray
a
lot
of
the
anger,
that's
arising
with
respect
to
this
issue,
let's
develop
an
occupancy
program
based
on
the
will
of
the
majority
whatever.
That
is,
let's
work
out
the
Kinks.
Let's
get
it
right
on
the
details
and
then,
let's
put
it
in
front
of
the
voters
to
approve
it.
If
there's
truly
a
new
majority
for
the
program,
they
will
vote
in
favor
and
the
2021
vote
will
have
been
superseded
and
the
people
will
have
spoken.
O
O
We're
effectively
saying
that
we
govern
from
a
position
where
we
do
not
want
the
community
to
speak
and
where
their
votes
don't
count,
because
we
know
better
and
must
guide
the
little
people
to
a
just
result
that
only
we
can
Define
and
I
think
that's
Unworthy
of
us
with
a
community,
so
divided
I
I
think
it
is
the
people
who
should
render
the
final
decision
on
that.
O
Whatever
we
do
and
and
let's
make
it
good
should
be
subject
to
the
same
vote
that
we
had
in
2021.,
and
then
nobody
can
complain
about
the
result
thereafter
in
terms
of
specifics,
I
am
not
in
favor
of
doing
nothing,
but
I
would
certainly
want
to
create
a
program
for
Community
approval
based
on
perhaps
four,
and
if
it's
five
I'd
like
to
see
guard
rails
with
respect
to
where
it
applies,
I
mean
it's
really
time
we
gave
some
relief
to
goss,
Grove,
Martin,
acres
and
and
and
the
hill
I
mean
they.
O
You
know
having
a
little
compassion
is
not
inappropriate
and
with
those
guard
rails,
I
I
think
we
might
come
up
with
a
workable
proposal
that
the
community
might
support,
but
simply
doing
it
by
edict
in
an
issue
that
is,
this
divisive
is
not
the
way
to
go.
Thank
you.
B
Mark,
just
so
I
could
I
get
your
point
on
going
to
the
voters
and,
and
maybe
there'll
be
a
majority
of
the
supports
that,
maybe
not
assuming
for
forsake
a
discussion
that
there's
not
and
that
Council
would
would
prefer
to
pass
this
legislation
on
its
own.
Do
I
understand
you
correctly
that
it
sounds
like
it's
option.
B
O
Sorry
it
would
be
option
f
with
guardrails
for
those
set
upon
communities
giving
them
a
break,
and
let's
look
at
other
things
that
we
can
do
that.
Will
you
know
minimize
impact
I'm,
not
as
concerned
with
definitions
of
family?
You
know
if
we
go
to
four,
let
it
be
any
four
that
that
you
want.
If
we
go
to
Five,
it
should
be
any
five
that
you
want,
and
you
know,
but
but
let's,
let's
have
a
little
compassion
for
for
some
of
these
neighborhoods
and
and
let's
do
something.
O
That's
that's
well
thought
out
with
the
Kinks
worked
out
before
we
we
go
to
the
voters
and
yes,
I
think
we
ought
not
to
just
do
it
by
ourselves.
This
is
about
the
most
divisive
issue
we've
seen
since
prairie
dogs
and
I
I
think
we
ought
to
be
a
little
more,
respectful
and
and
as
I
said,
if
you
do
something
and
you
put
in
front
of
the
voters
and
it
passes,
there
can
be
no
further
complaint
elections
matter.
O
Elections
count,
if
we
just
do
it
by
edict,
we're
just
going
to
leave
more
people
angry
at
us
than
are
already
angry
at
us,
and
people
are
angry
at
us
for
a
myriad
of
reasons.
Some
are
not
well
founded,
but
there
it
is,
you
know
you
know
we're
the
city
Eaters
of
Boulder
and
it
would
be
nice
to
to
do
something
where
we
say
to
the
people.
We
recognize
how
divisive
this
has
been.
We
think
this
is
a
good
program
we
have
signed
on
to
it.
B
Thanks
Mark
Lauren
you're
up.
Q
Thank
you,
Bob
first
I
just
want
to
touch
on
Mark's
comment
that
voting
might
stop.
People
from
complaining
I
just
wholeheartedly.
Do
not
believe
that
to
be
true
and
I
think
we
have
evidence
to
support
that.
You're.
Q
And
also
you
know
that
these
past
elections
haven't
been
completely,
you
know
they
they
haven't
explored.
This
issue
me
and
a
number
of
other
people
who
are
on
Council
were
not
shy
about
our
views
and
supporting
the
bedrooms
are
for
people
initiative
and
while
it
did
not
make
it
and
it
was
denied
by
our
electorate,
you
know
we
were
still
elected.
So
what
are
we
supposed
to
take
away
from
that
I'm
happy
to
see
this
proposal
being
brought
forward?
It
is
not.
Bedrooms
are
for
people,
and
it.
Q
You
had
your
time
I
apologize,
so
I
think
you
know
I
fully
support
the
option.
B5
plus
dependents
would
be.
My
preference
I
would
be
interested
in
staff
also
looking
at
for,
although
ultimately
I
am
of
the
belief
that
I
would
like
to
see
us
move
towards
complete
elimination
of
occupancy
limits.
But
I
don't
want
to
do
things
too
quickly.
We
need
State
stability
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
good
step
for
where
our
community
is
right.
Q
Now,
where
we
are
at
so
yeah
I
I
support
the
five
plus
the
history
of
occupancy
standards
follows
prevailing:
social,
cultural,
economic
and
health,
rationales
of
particular
eras
and
particular
sectors
of
society.
They
are
products
of
socially
constructed
personal
feelings
and
opinions
and
I
just
want
to
say
that,
because
there's
sometimes
we
get
this
idea
that
this
type
of
occupancy
limit
has
scientific
basis,
or
you
know
some
sort
of
that
that
it's
been
studied
really
thoroughly,
and
we
know
how
much
air
or
space
people
need,
and
that
is
ultimately
not
true.
Q
Even
the
Fair
Housing
Association
has
faced
a
lot
of
criticism
around
its
standards
and
how
they
are
not
based
on
scientific
backing.
There
are
other
kinds
of
occupancy
standards
like
those
that
we
see
in
our
fire
codes.
Things
like
that
that
are
about
how
quickly
people
can
exit
spaces,
and
things
like
that
that
do
have
strong
scientific
backing.
But
that
is
not
what
we
are
talking
about,
and
so,
while
I
understand
concerns
about,
you
know
how
many
people
might
be
able
to
potentially
occupy
a
small
space
for
one.
We
have
rental
regulation.
Q
You
know,
like
landlords,
tend
not
to
want
to
allow
those
kinds
of
occupancies
of
their
units.
We
have
fire
code,
I,
look
forward
to
seeing
what
else
staff
brings
forwards
in
terms
of
those
are
just
the
two
that
I
know
of
off
the
top
of
my
head,
and
so
I
am
comfortable
moving
forward
with
this
I
appreciated,
Nicole's
concern
or
Nicole's
comments
around
other
groups
that
we
might
reach
out
to
I
would
also
like
to
see
us
reaching
out
to
groups
that
represent
people
who
are
potentially
being
priced
out
of
our
community
I.
Q
Think
of
things
like
the
Restaurant
Association,
you
know
we
get
lots
of
comments
about
people
who
about
businesses
not
being
able
to
hire
because
they
can't
find
places
to
live.
I
think
that
we
should
make
sure
that
our
engagement
is
pretty
well-rounded.
B
At
those
thanks,
Lauren
Perfect,
Aaron,
then
Tara
and
then
Juni.
G
Great
thanks
Bob,
so
I
just
want
to
start
out
by
saying
that
that
this
the
options
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
are
not
what
was
in
the
bedrooms
are
for
people
initiative
and
so
Mark
with
respect.
I
will
strongly
disagree
with
your
characterization
of
that,
the
that
it
while
they
both
well,
they
all
touch
on
changing
our
first
documents
in
the
community.
The
bedrooms
ball
initiative
had
a
particular
structure
and
approach
for
that
and
I
heard
during
that
campaign.
G
A
lot
of
specific
criticisms
of
the
specific
approach
that
was
taken
by
bedrooms
so
that
people
felt
like
the
bedroom.
The
formula
of
tying
it
to
bedrooms
was
problematic
in
in
ways
that
could
have
some
some
unintended
consequences,
and
so,
when
I
talk
to
people
in
the
community
that
that
were
not
supportive
of
that
measure,
it
was
often
about
the
specifics
of
how
it
was
handled
and
and
that
that
is
not
one
of
the
proposals
that
we
have
in
front
of
us.
G
None
of
the
proposals
that
we
have
are
tied
to
bedrooms
whatsoever,
so
I
just
want
to
characterize
this
differently
that
we're
looking
at
occupancy
changes
that
are
not
the
valid
initiative
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
so
because
I
think
there's
there's
a
real
need
for
a
greater
variety
of
housing
options
in
our
community
and
ways
for
people
to
share
housing
costs.
G
You
know
I
hear
some
we're
getting
some
assertions
that
it
doesn't
matter
how
many
people
you
have
in
a
house
they'll
all
be
charged.
The
exact
same
rent
and
I'd
like
to
disagree
with
that
that
argument,
I'm
I've,
seen
that
in
my
own
family,
like
my,
my
child,
lived
in
a
it
lives
in
a
shared
apartment
and
they
added
a
third
person
still
within
legal
limits.
Folks
to
be
clear
and
everybody's
rent
went
down,
they,
they
shared
the
cost
amongst
one
more
person
and
everybody
paid
a
little
bit
less.
G
Now,
that's
an
anecdote.
We
can't
just
trust
anecdotes
but
but
I
think
just
by
logically,
if
just
logically,
if
you
think
about,
if
you
have
a
1500
square
foot
house
and
you
you're,
sharing
it
with
two
people
versus
four
I,
think
it's
unlikely
that
you
will
generally
pay
exactly
the
same
amount
to
share
less
space.
G
So
just
want
to
make
that
point,
and
then
I
think
it's
really
important
that
with
this
that
we're
allowing
for
different
living
arrangements,
our
how
our
definition
of
family
is
quite
Broad
in
our
city,
which
I
appreciate,
but
it
does
not
cover
all
the
kinds
of
living
arrangements
that
people
enter
into
and
I'll.
Mention
specifically
I
know
a
lot
of
lgbtq
folks
who
live
together
in
Arrangements
that
are
not
covered
by
our
definitions
of
family,
but
may
well
want
to
live
with.
G
You
know
four
or
five
people
total
in
you
know
as
a
as
a
healthy
and
positive
and
familial
like
relationship,
but
we
don't
designate
that
as
a
family,
and
so
this
would
allow
folks,
like
that
options
to
live
together,
which
I
think
would
be
very
beneficial.
So
as
I'm
coming
through
here.
I
will
also
be
interested
in
looking
at
Family
definitions,
but
I
think
if
we
are
increasing
the
number
it
makes
it
less
pressing,
but
it
would
also
like
to
look
at
that
and
I
think
it's.
G
It's
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
that
we're
running
this
through
the
racial
Equity
tool
and
instrument
I'll
be
very
interested
in
that
outcome.
I'm
gonna,
guess
we'll.
G
We'll
have
to
go
with
exactly
what
the
tool
says,
but
I'm
going
to
guess
that
it
will
be
favorable
to
our
racial
Equity
goals
if
we
allow
more
people
to
live
together,
but
I
will
wait
to
see
the
the
results
and
not
predetermine
that
I
think
it's
fairly
likely
and
mentioned
that
agree
with
Nicole
about
Outreach
traditional
groups
and
such
as
the
ones
that
she
mentioned.
I.
G
Think
it's
good
will
be
important
to
get
a
variety
of
perspectives
from
the
community
throughout
this
process
and
then
I'll
just
reiterate
a
couple
points
that
that
Matt
made
about
how
you
know
I
think
what's
important.
Is
that
we're
regulating
on
impacts
rather
than
people
primarily
and
to
reiterate
that
we
have
already
adjusted
ordinances
recently
about
those
impacts
in
our
work.
Talking
on
other
ones,
right
now,
so
I
think
we're
working
on
that
steadily.
G
We
do
also
have
the
neighborhood
parking
permit
program
to
control
for
parking
issues,
so
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
way
fundamentally
to
regulate
with
all
of
that
said,
I
do
want
to
send
multiple
options
out
to
the
community,
and
so
I
would
go
with
simple
I
Brad
at
the
beginning
said.
You
know
it's
up
to
you
all,
but
we
like
simple,
it's
a
simple
is
easier
to
enforce
it's
easier
to
work
with,
so
I
would
go
for
option
b
with
I
think
Matt
called
it
B4
and
B5.
G
So
those
would
be
the
those
are
both
very
simple
and
I
think
are
worth
sending
out
to
the
community
to
get
people's
feedback
on
what
they
think
about
those,
and
that's
that's
a
couple
different
Alternatives
in
terms
of
how
big
a
move
that
we're
making
in
terms
of
an
occupancy,
update
right
now
and
I
think
so
yeah.
So
those
that's.
What
I
would
like
to
see
us
take
out
to
the
community
or
those
two
options?
G
B
Was
perfectly
clear,
thank
you
and
I'm
going
to
feed
this
play
this
all
back
to
everybody
to
make
sure
I
got
everyone's
down,
so
let's
get
through
everybody
and
then
I'll
play
it
back
and
make
sure
that
I'm
recording
this
right
so
we're
going
to
go
to
next
to
Tara
and
then
Juni
and
then
I
think
it's
my
turn.
H
H
So
we've
been
speaking
about
our
housing
crisis,
a
lot
here
lately
on
Council.
But
what
does
that
really
mean?
We
do
not
have
enough
options
for
people
of
middle
or
moderate
income
to
be
able
to
live
here
or
actually
anywhere
close
to
here
and
we're
doing
really
well
I
think
pretty
well
creating
permanently
affordable
housing
for
those
that
qualify,
but
for
people
in
the
category
of
middle
and
moderate
income
who
do
not
qualify
because
they
make
a
little
bit
too
much
money.
Where
should
they
live?
H
As
you
know,
not
only
have
housing
prices
skyrocketed
along
the
Front,
Range
Beyond,
but
so
have
rental
prices,
and
we
now
have
a
labor
shortage
as
well,
and
by
labor
shortage
I
mean
we
cannot
find
people
who
want
to
work
here
in
Boulder.
We
can't
find
enough
of
them,
and
this
affects
our
city
on
so
many
levels.
H
Most
people
do
not
want
to
drive
30
to
45
minutes
anymore,
to
work
in
our
coffee
shops,
our
restaurants,
our
schools,
our
planning
department,
our
maintenance
departments
or
our
police
and
fire
departments,
which
is
so
vital
for
our
city
to
survive
and
provide,
and
why
don't
they
want
to
work
here?
The
following
information
has
just
been
released
from
the
U.S
Bureau
of
Labor
Statistics
that
there
are
10.8
million
job
openings
in
the
United
States.
H
There
are
5.9
million
unemployed
people.
That
means
there
are
twice
as
many
job
openings
as
there
are
people
to
fill
those
jobs.
That
means
that
there's
a
lot
of
competition
to
get
those
here
in
Boulder
and
one
of
the
major
reasons
people
don't
want
to
work
here
in
Boulder-
is
the
lack
of
housing,
that
is
even
mildly,
affordable.
H
So
I
believe
we'd
have
to
come
up
with
some
out-of-the-box
solutions
and
maybe
stuff
we
didn't
want
to
do
in
the
past
to
consider
doing
that
and
I
think
there's
not
just
one
solution.
It
would
have
to
be
a
combination
of
many
tools
in
the
toolbox.
I
know
that's
a
popular
metaphor
to
alleviate
some
of
the
pressure
in
this
tight
labor
market.
So
how
can
we
create
housing
that
is
Affordable
for
families
and
also
for
single
family
working
adults
that
are
not
Tech
workers?
H
One
of
the
ways
we
can
try
to
move
the
new
other
popular
metaphor,
just
a
little
bit
I
am
suggesting
is
to
increase
occupancy
from
three
to
four
people,
and
why
do
I
want
to
do
that?
Well,
looking
at
the
median
house
rental
prices
in
Boulder
in
2023,
according
to
Zillow,
it
was
2753
a
month.
So
simply
put
four
people
in
a
house
would
mean
less
of
a
percentage
of
persons.
Wages
are
going
to
rent.
Then
three
people
in
a
house
and
that's
better
I-
think
that's
better
for
everyone.
H
Should
we
do
some
sort
of
rent
stabilization?
We
should
definitely
look
into
that,
but
that's
a
discussion
for
another
time,
so
I
realized
that
some
of
the
people
that
would
benefit
from
a
change
in
occupancy
would
be
students,
but
believe
me,
a
lot
of
people
that
want
changes.
Talking
about
small
changes
in
occupancy
are
working
adults,
many
of
them
in
their
30s
and
40s.
H
Who
can
seem
to
make
enough
to
afford
rentals
and
also
seniors,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
seniors
that
I've
heard
from
that
would
like
to
share
housing
so
and
frankly,
I
would
like
students
to
consider
living
here
after
they
graduate
and
becoming
a
vibrant
part
of
our
community.
Like
my
kids,
who
were
able
to
move
here
after
they
graduated
because
young
people
add
vibrancy
to
a
community
I'm
not
done
I
have
a
little
more
to
summarize
this
long-winded
speech.
H
But
the
problem
with
f
is
at
a
time
when
the
city
is
struggling
with
workload
due
to
lack
of
Staffing
I,
don't
know
that
it
can
be
successfully
implemented
so
I'm
going
to
pick
B
increase
the
occupancy,
allow
for
zoning
districts
to
four
and
I
believe
we
should
really
honestly
I
agree
with
some
of
what
Mark
said
that
we
should
see
how
it
works
and
we
need
to
revisit
it
in
a
year.
I've
noticed
that
Boulder
has
Revisited
their
occupancy
when
they've
changed
it
throughout
the
history
and
I.
Think
we
should
do
the
same
here.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
we
protect
the
neighborhoods
near
the
university
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
student
non-student
ratio
in
neighborhoods,
like
Martin
Acres,
the
hill
and
Gus
Grove,
which
are
our
most
affordable,
neighborhoods,
that
that
doesn't
change
and
these
very
affordable,
not
very
these
most
more
affordable
neighborhoods
need
to
be
available
for
families
and
our
Workforce.
And
so
that's
why
I
don't
want
to
see
the
student
non-student
ratio
change
so
I'm,
going
to
end
up
by
talking
and
I.
Also
learn.
I
like
your
idea
about
limiting
rental
licenses
in
uni.
H
Hill
and
so
I'd
like
to
look
into
that
further-
maybe
that's
another
guardrail
I'm
going
to
end
up
talking
about
guardrails.
Sorry
about
this
long
speech.
I
promise
one
more
minute.
What
bothers
people
in
these
neighborhoods
most
is
noise
trash
and
parking.
Now
I
love
hanging
out
with
students,
but
I'm,
not
sure
how
I
would
feel
you
know.
H
I
love
hanging
out
with
students,
but
I'm,
not
sure
how
I
would
feel
if
there
was
student
housing
on
my
left
and
on
my
right
of
me
just
because
I'm
noise,
sensitive
and
I
struggle
with
migraines,
which
I
have
one
as
you
know
now,
and
that's
for
real
and
what
bothers
people
is
the
noise
trash
and
parking,
and
but
we
just
passed
a
new
trash
and
noise.
We
passed
those
new
ordinances
and
I'm,
hoping
they'll,
make
a
difference
and
we'll
see
soon
enough,
but
let's
Now
uncouple
parking
from
occupancy
like
we
did.
H
Noise
and
trash
I
would
like
to
really
focus
on
Parking
Solutions.
We
have
the
neighborhood
parking
pass
program.
We
should
look
into
and
I'm
asking
staff
to
do
this.
Is
it
too
hard
to
implement?
Are
there
too
many
signatures
required?
Does
it
work?
Well
enough?
Are
there
any
other
options
for
Parking
Solutions?
Can
we
limit
cars
per
house
if
we
can
come
up
with
viable
solutions
to
parking
and
our
next
discussion,
our
occupancy,
then
I
think
it'll
make
a
big
difference
and
then
we
need
to
enforce
that
and
not
a
lover
of
enforcement.
H
For
instance,
I
accidentally
parked
in
front
of
my
neighbor's
driveway
a
few
weeks
ago,
because
it
was
dark
and
I
was
distracted.
Thankfully,
she
texted
me
to
move
my
car
in
the
morning
and
I
didn't
and
she
didn't
call
code
enforcement,
so
that
was
good,
but
enforcement
is
going
to
be
important
because
people
need
to
be
good
neighbors.
H
For
this
to
be
successful,
for
any
occupancy
increase
to
be
successful,
we
all
have
to
be
good
neighbors,
and
sometimes
you
have
to
enforce
that,
because
sometimes
people
need
a
little
push
so
with
an
increase
of
four
which
would
increase
housing
options
for
our
Workforce
and
if
we
simultaneously
make
sure
quality
of
life
ordinance
are
are
enforced,
it
might
just
make
the
difference
that
we
need
is
everybody
still
there
are
we
all
sleeping,
did
I
put
everybody
to
bed.
Raise
your
hand
if
you're
sleeping
I
want
more
things
to
say
that
Lauren's
laughing
come
on.
H
I
worked
so
hard
on.
That
is
when
it
comes
to
engagement.
When
it
comes
to
engagement,
I
feel
that
yeah
I
agree
with
Lauren.
We
have
to
include
the
small
businesses.
They
have
a
lot
to
say
about
this
subject,
and
we
also
need
to
include
the
neighborhoods
that
are
adjacent
to
the
university,
and
by
that
I
mean
we
should
include
the
renters
and
the
homeowners
and
the
students,
and
maybe
we'll
be
surprised
at
what
people
say.
B
Thank
you,
Juni
and
then
I
see
Lauren
your
hand
is
back
up
for
maybe
a
rebuttal
or
a
clarification.
Oh
you're,
not
it's
not
yet,
but
okay.
Well,
let's
go
to
Junior
and
then
we'll
kind
of
sort
out
where
you
fit
in
Lauren.
Then
they'll
share
my
comments.
C
Thank
you,
Bob.
Thank
you.
I
am
in
support.
I
just
also
wanted
to
see
before
I
start.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
long
speech
I'm
in
support
of
increased
occupancy,
but
I
want
to
ensure,
as
well
as
part
of
this
conversation,
which
we
have
done
a
lot
of
times,
which
is
a
lot
of
community
engagement.
We're
gonna
need
that
because
of
the
fact
that
we
did
have
bedrooms
are
for
people
on
the
ballot
and
it
failed,
and
even
though
this
is
a
very,
very
different
policy,
people
are
still
equating
the
same.
C
So
I
think
we
need
to
do
that
education
again
with
community
members
to
get
their
buy-in
as
part
of
this
process,
because,
ultimately
we
don't
want
them
to
feel
that
we
are
doing
a
bait
and
switch
on
them.
Although
I
am
in
full
support
of
an
increase
in
occupancy,
I
looked
at
all
the
different
options
and
I
have
to
say
before
hearing
from
all
of
you
tonight,
I
wanted
to
leave
it
to
community
as
part
of
a
bigger
Community
engagement.
C
That's
where
I
was
but
I
and
and
as
the
conversation
progresses,
I
I
didn't
want
to
take
a
cop
out
so
I
said.
Okay,
then,
based
on
the
conversation
tonight
and
also
you
know
the
explanation
from
staff
for
sound
more
the
likely
route
that
we
will
be
taking
tonight,
but
I
just
really
hope
that
we
were
gonna
have
as
much
engagement
as
possible
to
bring
Community
along
with
us
in
this
process.
C
And
then
there
was
another
question
about
family
definition:
I'm
not
tied
to
that
I
leave
it
to
staff
to
figure
out.
Of
course,
I
want
an
inclusive
definition
and
but
also
I
wonder
if
the
definition
has
to
follow.
C
It
has
to
be
a
legal
definition,
because
again
legal
definitions
tend
to
be
very
static
and
prescriptive,
as
opposed
to
something
that
is
more
open.
So
I
think
that's
another
aspect.
That's
a
question.
I
could
have
asked
before
and
I
didn't.
But
you
know.
Yes,
we
can
Define
family,
but
ultimately
there
is
a
definition
of
family
and
the
law.
And
what
does
that
look
like
when
it
comes
to
looking
at
this
policy?
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
Junior,
you
cut
out
there
just
at
the
crucial
moment
of
what
your
option
was.
Are
you
was
the
subject
of
great
engagement
suggestions
you
made?
Are
you
okay
with
or
a
staffing
for
the
option
b?
Did
I
understand
that
correctly.
C
Yes,
Bob
I
think
you
know,
based
on
what
I
hear
tonight
and
the
conversation
with
Council
I
am
comfortable
with
staff
moving
with
option
b
in
doing
that.
Greater
engagement
with
Community
as
well.
B
Great
thanks
so
much
Judy
Lauren
your
hand
is
up.
Do
you
I'm
gonna,
give
everyone
an
opportunity
to
maybe
just
say
whatever
final
comments
they
want
at
the
end.
Do
you
want?
Is
this
a
final
comment,
or
is
this
a
clarification
on
what
you
already
said.
Q
This
is
just
one
thing
that
I
forgot
to
mention
that
I
also
wanted
so
I
did
want
to
just
quickly
touch
on
the
problem
statement
before
we
do
community
engagement,
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
as
I
was
kind
of
like
researching
a
lot
about
occupancy
and
this
historic
places
that
that
comes
from
and
everything
was
a
quote
that
says
what
is
crowded
to
some
is
exactly
comfortable
to
others,
and
what
is
comfortable
to
some
is
exactly
what
is
lonely
to
others,
and
so
we
talk
a
lot
in
our
problems.
Q
The
problem
statement
focuses
on
cost,
you
know
and
trying
to
make
housing
more
affordable,
but
I
also
would
like
to
have
it
touch
on
making
our
housing
more
inclusive
of
cultural
and
personal
preferred
living
arrangements,
because
I
do
think
that
that
is
an
important
piece
here
as
well,
and
you
know
we
have
been
mostly
focusing
on
cost
and
I
think
the
cost
is
a
big
portion,
but
I
would
like
to
see
us
thinking
about
both.
B
B
We
can
then
wrap
up
we're
at
one
hour
and
40
minutes
we're
doing
pretty
good
against
our
two
hour
allotment,
so
I
think
we're
gonna,
make
it
add,
or
maybe
even
a
little
a
little
quicker,
so
I
may
be
in
a
little
bit
of
a
unique
position
and
that
I
was
actually
I.
Work
actually
worked
on.
The
bedrooms
are
for
people
campaign
on
the
on
the
no
side
of
things
so
I
know
several
of
you
supported
it.
B
I
was
actually
on
the
opposition
side
of
things,
and
so
I
saw
that
from
the
inside
and
and
as
a
person
who
was
opposed
to
that
particular
proposition
I'm,
going
to
agree
with
some
of
the
statements
that
were
made
here
tonight
that
this
is
not
that
proposition.
There
was
a
proposition
was
on
the
table.
B
It
was
bedrooms,
it
was.
It
had
a
whole
lot
of
terms
to
it,
but
58
assisting
me
48
to
52
vote.
The
voters
said
no
and
we're
not
bringing
that
back.
Seth
has
not
bring
that
back.
I
haven't
heard
anybody
tonight
say:
let's
do
that
particular
proposition,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
means
and
I'm
saying
this
is
a
person
who
was
opposed
to
that
proposition.
I.
B
Don't
think
that
means
that
we
can
never
ever
look
at
occupancy
as
a
matter
of
fact
to
the
contrary,
48
of
the
people
in
our
town,
almost
almost
half
said
we'd
like
you
to
do
something
on
occupancy
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
struggling
with
tonight
is.
What
should
we
do
on
that?
So
I
I
know
there
are
people
in
community
school
feel
strongly
that
this
is
a
redo
of
bedrooms
are
for
people
I
with
all
due
respect.
B
Disagree
with
that
and
that's
from
somebody
who
was
opposed
to
veterans
are
for
people
I.
Think
Simplicity
is
the
key
here.
I
think
Brad
said
it
right.
I
think
we
need
to
ask
staff
to
look
at
something:
that's
understandable
by
our
community.
That's
simple
for
staff
to
administer
is
simple.
For
us
to
enforce
and
right
now
we
have
a
kind
of
a
complicated
law.
If
you
ask
me,
I
still
don't
understand
exactly
what
the
limit
is.
B
I
think
the
limit
is
generally
for,
but
it's
three
in
some
zones,
but
we
don't
even
know
how
many,
how
many,
how
many
rental
units
are
in
those
zones,
I'd
appreciate
staff
coming
back
and
letting
us
know,
but
it
sounds
like
it's
kind
of
a
pretty
small
minority,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
some
actual
numbers,
so
we
could
work
off
of
those,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
if
we
were
to
go
if
we
were
to
go
down
the
path
of
just
simplifying
things
and
say
that
Hey
listen
folks,
the
the
limit
across
the
board
Citywide
is
for
we're
really
not
changing
things.
B
A
change
to
five
would
be
a
pretty
big
change,
but
but
four
seems
to
me,
like
that's
kind
of
like
the
status
quo,
with
the
exception
of
a
few
neighborhoods
I'm
going
to
guess,
there's
probably
not
a
whole
lot
of
running
units
anyway,
so
where
I'm
coming
out
is
I'm.
Also
at
option
b.
I
have
a
slight
preference
report,
because
it's
not
a
big
change
but
I'm
also
open-minded
to
five
and
I'd
love
to
have
staff.
Explain
to
us
how
that
looks.
B
I'm
a
little
torn
on
on
the
option.
F,
as
a
kind
of
a
backup
I
know
a
few
people
have
said
that
it
would
be
nice
to
hear
impacts
on
those
neighborhoods
near
the
university
I.
Don't
know
if
I'm
all
in
on
option
f
as
the
right
answer,
but
but
to
the
extent
that
we
can
hear
from
staff
as
the
evaluate
option
b,
which
does
sound
like
a
pretty
strong
majority
supports.
B
I
guess
on
those
neighborhoods
and
and
maybe
maybe
as
a
result
of
that
more
of
us
will
be
supportive
of
option
F
or
maybe
we'll
determine
option
f
is
not
necessary,
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
supportive
of
a
b
preference
with
four
but
I'm
willing
to
listen
to
five
and
and
I'd
like
to
hear
about
impacts
in
neighborhoods,
which
is
kind
of
a
kind
of
an
optional
thing.
Let's
see
what
else
I
have
I
agree
with
some
of
the
earlier
statements.
B
I
I,
you
know
a
lot
of
you
know:
I
read
all
500
emails.
We
got
this
week
and
responded
to
most
of
them.
It
took
a
long
time
and
what
I
was
reading
between
the
lines
on
many
of
the
people
other
than
folks
feeling
that
this
was
a
redo
of
bedrooms
are
for
people.
What
I
was
hearing
from
people.
B
The
concerns
of
those
who
did
not
want
any
changes
to
our
current
level
of
pretty
much
for
everywhere
was
was
primarily
around
noise
and
trash
and
parking,
and,
as
has
been
observed
by
my
colleagues
already
tonight,
we
just
we
just
like
weeks
ago,
updated
and
and
I
think
tightened.
Our
noise
and
trash
ordinances
I
think
we
should
give
those
a
little
while
to
see
if
they
take
into
effect,
but
I
think
we
simplified
them
and
I
think
we
made
them
easier
to
enforce
the
parking
rules
are
being
evaluated
as
we
speak.
B
It's
not
to
say
that
we've
solved
all
those
problems,
but
it's
it's.
It
is
to
say
that
we're
not
ignoring
those
problems,
they
are
problems
in
some
places
and
if,
if
that's,
if
those
are
people's
biggest
concerns,
noise
trash
and
parking,
then
let's
take
on
noise
parking
and
trash,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
necessarily
a
direct
correlation
between
how
many
people
are
in
a
place
and
whether
they're
related
or
not.
B
So,
let's
examine
option,
b
and
and
then
I
think
all
the
great
Community
engagement
suggests
I.
Don't
have
anything
to
add
what
you
guys
said.
You
guys
have
some
fantastic
engagements.
Hopefully,
staff
was
taking
some
really
great
notes
on
how
to
engage
with
folks
and
where
we
are
Aaron.
I
see
your
hand
is
up.
I
wanted
to
give
everyone
a
chance
to
kind
of
wrap
up.
I
did
want
to
play
back
on
people's
what
I,
what
I
heard
is
people's
preference?
G
Quick
I
just
want
to
say
is
this
Bob,
you
said
option
b
and
mentioned
you
had
a
preference
before
I
realized
I
said
B
four
or
five,
but
not
my
preference.
My
preference
is
five.
That's
the
direction,
but
I
do
want
to
hear
from
the
community
on
both
four
and
five.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
great.
B
So
let
me
play.
Let
me
play
back
what
what
I
think
I
heard
and
then
it's
a
little
unfair
to
Rachel,
because
she
had
to
do
this
but
online.
So
she
didn't
have
the
advantage
of
of
hearing
all
of
us,
but
she
did
Clearly
say
option
b,
but
she
was
also
open
to
other
other
things
which
I
think
we
all
are
Aaron.
B
Thank
you
for
clarification,
option
b
with
a
maybe
a
preference
word
five
and
looking
at
four
also
I'm
Matt
I
heard
you
be
I,
don't
know
if
you're,
four
or
five,
but
it
sounds
like
we're.
Gonna
look
at
four
and
five
I,
don't
know
if
the
other
preferences
between
five
five
with
with
but
but
you
also
wouldn't
looking
for,
is
that
right
man
Nicole
option,
Z
I
love
your
creativity
Nicole
up
into
you
just
get
rid
of
it!
B
All
I
didn't
hear
a
whole
lot
of
people
going
there
on
Nicole,
although
I
did
hear
Matt
and
Lauren.
Both
wistfully
say
that
it'll
be
great
someday
in
in
our
our
better
world,
not
to
have
not
to
need
occupancy
limits
at
all,
so
I
I
think
you
have
some
support.
There-
just
maybe
not
at
this
very
moment
in
in
time
and
then
I-
think
your
backup
adoption
Z
was
option.
B
Five,
it's
got
option
b,
which
I
assumed
with
the
preference
of
five
Lauren,
also
heard
you
had
B
with
five
and
four
junior
also
heard
you
at
option
b.
Is
that
right?
Yes,.
C
B
H
I
definitely
like
for
I'm
very
worried
about
the
smaller
homes
in
Martin
acres
and
the
the
blocks
that
are
more
with
the
smaller
homes
that
are
more
dense,
so
I'm.
Definitely
a
four
person
I
mean
you
know
in
the
majority
and
all
that
so
whatever.
B
B
Great
and
I'm
pretty
much
with
where
terrorists
I'm
I'm
a
B4
I'm,
not
opposed
to
looking
at
five
and
and
seeing
what
the
engagement
says
and
what
the
impacts
might
be.
B
But
I
do
have
a
a
preference
done
for
so
it
sounds
like
most
of
us
are,
are
at
b
or
willing
to
accept
B
with
some
some
people,
preferring
five,
but
only
look
at
four
and
some
people,
preferring
four
under
the
wind
look
at
five
but
I
think
that
gives
a
lot
of
Staff
a
lot
of
Direction
and
then
Mark,
you're
I,
think
you're
in
a
very
different
place
from
from
a
lot
of
folks,
which
I
think
you
want
to
go
to
the
voters.
B
First
of
all,
which
is
more
of
a
pro
it's
a
process,
difference
and,
and
then
the
question
is
what
do
we
take
to
the
voters?
I
think
I
heard
you
prefer
option
F,
which
is
really
kind
of
B,
with
with
a
neighborhood
overlay.
Is
that
a
fair
statement
Mark
that.
B
Okay,
good
did
I
get
that
more.
Does
anybody
have
it
does?
Anybody
feel,
like
did
not
accurately
represent
their
abuse
and
and
lots
and
lots
of
enthusiasm
around
looking
at
Family
definition,
that
was
seemed
to
be
a
pretty
overwhelming
majority
on
that
Lauren
did
you
have
something
out
of
that?
The.
B
I'm
sorry
I
apologize,
yeah
you're,
definitely
strong
on
five.
Yes,
yes,
I
think
I
think
there's
a
majority
that
was
strong
longer
on
five
but
willing
to
look
at
four
I.
Think
there's
a
minority
of
us
that
that
were
four
but
willing
to
look
at
five
and
then
Mark
had
a
kind
of
a
maybe
a
separate
view.
There
is
that
good
staff,
I'm
gonna,
give
her
council
members
kind
of
a
closing
statement.
If
it's
productive
and
helpful
staff
did,
are
you
getting
what
you
need?
M
Yeah
and
I
think
we
clearly
understand
that
B
is
actually
two
options
right,
B4
B5,
so
we'll
treat
them
as
such
I
would
say:
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
council
is
giving
us
direction
to
go
ahead
and
explore
F
and
and
overlay
or
what
I
I
only
heard
a
couple,
people
speak
to
that
specifically.
So
if
you,
you
could
maybe
clarify
that
for
us.
B
Sure,
well,
let's
just
do
a
show
of
hands
how
many
people
would
like
staff
to
to
look
at
the
option,
F
overlay,
which
is
which
is
potentially
a
different
different
number
in
proximity
to
University?
How
many
people
would
like
to
look
at
that?
I'm,
a
yes
there's
a
yes
Mark
said:
yes,
if
you've
got
and
I
don't
know
where
Rachel
would
have
ended
up,
so
you
got
three
so
I!
Guess
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
what
what
the
direction
of
council
is.
B
M
I
I
might
I
I
might
want
to
consult
with
Nuria
and
get
back
to
you
about
that,
because
it
does
probably
represent
a
fairly
different
engagement
process,
which
probably
has
implications
to
the
overall
time
frame.
Okay,.
D
B
There
you
there,
you
have
it
so
it
sounds
like
B,
B4
and
B5
or
B5
and
B4
B5
I
had
the
majority
before
there
was.
There
was
certainly
some
people
as
well,
and
so
Brad
is
that.
Does
that
scope,
okay,
good
good
Mark?
That
doesn't
mean
we
can't
revisit
going
to
the
voters
on
whatever
is
the
proposition
and
it
sounds
like
there
was
only
a
minority,
a
minority
of
us
on
F.
So
that's
not
going
to
be
said.
He
says
it
sounds
like
that's
a
lot
of
work.
B
Any
yeah
give
everyone
a
chance
to
kind
of
say
any
final
comments
in
our
remaining
12
minutes,
but
but
everyone
feel
comfortable
that
that
staff
is
what
staff
heard
is
kind
of
reflected
of
the
majority
Willow
Council,
okay,
good
good.
Now,
if
you
have
something
more
to
say
and
please
not,
let's
get
into
arguments
with
each
other,
because
we
kind
of
decided
we
didn't
decide
anything,
but
we
kind
of
pull
it
by
the
stats
and
Direction.
B
But
if
you've
got
some
other
things
that
you
wish,
you
would
have
said
that
you'd
like
to
say
in
closing.
This
will
be
the
time
to
do
it
and
I
see
Nicole's
hands
up.
I
I
There
was
an
implication
in
our
discussion
tonight
that
some
of
us
aren't
being
compassionate
to
or
respectful
of
people
who
are
having
real
issues
in
their
neighborhoods
and
would
like
us
to
find
Solutions
and
I
just
really
wanted
to
respond
to
that
mischaracterization,
at
least
for
me,
when
I
show
up
as
a
council
member
I'm
coming
from
compassion
and
empathy
for
everyone
in
our
community,
whether
or
not
you
just
agree
with
me
and
I'd
like
to
think
that's
where
we're
all
trying
to
come
from
when
we
show
up
in
this
space,
I
really
want
people
to
be
able
to
sleep
peacefully
and
enjoy
their
time
in
their
homes.
I
I
want
our
streets
to
be
lined
with
trees
and
not
cars,
and
I
really
want
people
and
pets
of
all
ages
to
be
able
to
walk
on
clean
and
safe
sidewalks
without
having
to
step
over
broken
bottles
and
things
like
that
as
a
body
and
and
I
think.
As
a
community
too,
we
don't
really
tend
to
disagree
on
the
problems
or
the
need
for
Solutions
most
of
the
time.
I
What
we're
disagreeing
on
are
the
solutions
and
I
think
that
understanding
and
communicating
that
point
is
really
key
to
making
sure
that
our
community
can
stay
connected
and
that
we
can
all
stay
connected
and
our
shared
Humanity,
even
as
we're
disagreeing
about
these
really
complicated
topics.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
for
saying
that,
Nicole
and
I,
just
I'll
just
agree
with
you,
I
think
that
we
need
to
remind
each
other
and
I'm
as
guilty
as
anybody.
We
need
to
remind
each
other
that,
while
we
may
disagree
on
Solutions,
we
should
assume
of
each
other
that
we
are
all
coming
to
the
table
with
good
faith.
So
thank
you
for
reminding
us
of
that
Nicole
Matt.
P
P
There's
a
perceived
of
divisiveness
that
I
is
is
toxic
and
we
are
not
seeing
people
for
trying
to
seek
the
best
Solutions,
and
some
of
the
rhetoric
is
is
alarming
in
the
sense
of
these
accusations
are
some
ways
no
different
than
what
we
heard
from
the
January
6th,
Insurrection
and
I
and
I.
Think
it's
really
dangerous
to
assume
that
we're
just
undermining
and
destroying
democracy
when
it's
not
the
case
and
I
think
we
have
to
really
step
back
from
the
brink
of
hyperbole,
because
it's
not
a
safe
environment.
P
Look
at
what
happens
as
a
result
of
tempting
people,
with
the
assumption
that
this
body
or
members
of
this
Council
are
taking
away
a
sacred
right
like
voting
and
and
your
participation
in
democracy.
So
I
think
we
have
a
lot
to
do
to
to
do
better
as
a
community
to
figure
out
that
there's
other
ways
to
disagree,
then
lighting
the
fires
that
we've
witnessed
firsthand
over
the
last
few
years
in
this
community
of
ours.
P
We
love
it
too
much
to
allow
that
to
happen,
and
so
I
hope
that
we
we
can
avoid
doing
that.
There
will
be
more
commentary.
There
will
be
more
engagement,
but
I
hope
that
that
was
the
Apex
of
that
kind
of
narrative
and
we
come
back
to
a
more
civil
and
more
understanding
state
of
mind
and
play
as
we
continue
to
work
through
this
and
other
challenges
in
our
community.
H
I
wanted
to
give
a
big
shout
out.
Thank
you
to
the
many
people
that
I
called
in
the
community
randomly
who,
who
wrote
emails
and
I
said.
Oh
call
me,
and
they
did
and
I
got
some
of
the
best
ideas,
thoughts
perspective,
and
it
was
a
really
wonderful
experience.
You
guys
all
know
who
you
were
that
spoke
to
me
this
week.
There
is
just
a
lot
of
care
and
I
think
sometimes
people.
You
know
they
feel
passionately
about
their
subjects
and
they
feel
passionately
about
this
community,
and
so
we
all
do
so.
H
H
That
was
a
big
job
to
do,
but
it
did
give
me
so
many
New,
Perspectives
and
different
ways
of
looking
at
things
and
and
for
me-
and
this
is
the
truth-
the
most
important
thing
is
to
just
get
outside
of
my
box,
of
how
I
view
the
world
or
Society
or
whatever
and
listen
to
other
people
I.
Think
that's
what
I,
like
the
best
about
the
this
week
of
what
I
call
the
week
of
500
emails
versus
the
week
of
600
emails,
which
was
West
Pearl.
So
you
know
foreign.
B
My
colleagues
said:
I
I,
think
I
assume
that
when
someone
writes
to
us
with
a
lot
of
anger
or
emotion
that
are
feeling
helpless,
they're
feeling
some
helplessness
or
some
loss
of
control,
and
so
and
that's
on
us
right.
If
we
have
a
community
that
is
frustrated
that
feels
that
we're
not
listening
to
them
or
they
don't
feel
like
they've
got
control
of
the
situation
or
they
don't
have
a
say.
Then
that's
on
us
to
ensure
that
they're
they
feel
less
into.
B
They
may
not
agree
with
the
decisions
of
a
majority
of
this
Council
and
that's
fine.
That's
actually
a
healthy,
healthy
outcome
that
we
have
diversity,
but
when
people
are
upset
and
feel
not
listened
to
and
and
are
emotional
one
sometimes
attacking.
That
means
that
we
have
not
done
we
I'm,
including
staff
and
Council
on
this.
B
We
want
to
hear
what
people
have
to
say,
because
we
want
to
come
up
with
it
with
a
solution
that
that
most
people
in
our
community
can
live
with,
but
maybe
more
importantly,
so
that
people
feel
listened
to
so
that
whatever
decision
this
Council
comes
up
with
later
this
year,
while
not
everyone
in
the
community,
I'm
sure
will
agree
with
it.
People
will
at
least
have
peace
with
the
fact
that
they
had
had
an
opportunity
to
speak.
They
had
some
control,
they
had
some
input
and
that
we
heard
what
they
had
to
say.
B
So,
let's,
let's
all
commit
to
each
other
and
I,
include
in
saphenous
to
listen
to
our
to
our
neighbors
thanks
Aaron.
G
Yeah
now
just
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
gonna
make
I
will
absolutely
make
that
commitment
that
we
will
be
listening
to
to
the
feedback
from
the
community
in
the
upcoming
months
in
a
way
that
will
shape
what
direction
we
end
up
pursuing
this
and
that,
regardless
of
that
direction,
that
we
will
also
work
with
the
community
to
make
sure
that
that
behaviors
that
are
really
difficult
to
work
with
and
are
inappropriate
for.
You
know
for
your
neighbors
or
is
also
a
problem
that
we'll
continue
working
on
because,
as
Nicole
said,
you
deserve.
G
Elvis
deserve
a
quiet
night's
sleep
when
you
need
it
so
make
that
commitment
as
well,
and
then
just
Bob
wanted
to
thank
you
for
an
able
facilitation
tonight
and
doing
a
great
job
at
assessing
out
the
will
of
council
here
so
appreciate
a
fine
job
this
evening.
B
Well,
thank
you
Aaron
and
once
again,
CAC
miraculously
predicted
a
two-hour
window
and
we
were
at
one
hour
and
58
minutes
great
job,
CAC,
great
job
staff,
great
job
Council.
We
are
spot
on
schedule,
we're
going
to
adjourn
them
in
and
a
half
early.
Thank
you.
Everyone
have
a
good
night
and
have
a
good
weekend.