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A
A
An
announcement
regarding
boards
and
commissions,
the
annual
recruitment,
is
still
in
process
last
day
to
get
applications
in
is
Friday
at
5:00
p.m.
February
14th.
The
general
requirements
are
that
you
have
been
residing
a
minimum
of
one
year
within
the
Boulder
City
Limits
be
18
years
of
age
and
other
requirements
may
apply
based
on
the
board.
Currently,
we've
received
47
applications
and
the
following
boards
have
received
have
not
received
any
applications.
A
The
boulder
Jenks
Junction
access,
district
parking,
Commission,
the
boulder
Junction
access
district
travel
demand
and
design,
Advisory,
Board,
Downtown,
Management
Commission
and
the
environmental
Advisory
Board.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
any
of
those
please
apply
or
any
of
the
others.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
our
first
topic
will
be
the
tribal
consultation.
A
A
You
know
I'm
gonna,
do
one
more
thing
before
I
was
just
reminded
that
there
are
two
subcommittees
that
would
need
need
to
appoint
Council
members
to
the
first
one
is
the
has
to
do
with
the
police.
Ooh
is
members
to
part
two
two
members
to
participate
in
fair
and
impartial
policing,
command
and
community
training
and
Tonya.
Do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that?
One?
Yes,.
B
I
can
can
I
have
my
piece
of
paper
with
the
back
first
Mary
thanks
I
appreciate
that,
so
the
police
department
is
starting
out
fair,
impartial,
fair
and
impartial,
policing,
training,
and
this
is
the
first
time
that
this
training
has
been
brought
to
the
department.
This
is
the
nationally
recognized
training
and
we
are
inviting
council
members
and
and
some
community
members
to
this
first
training,
which
is
a
day
and
a
half.
It
will
be
on
April
28th
from
9:00
a.m.
to
4:30
p.m.
in
April
29th
from
8:30
to
1:30
p.m.
so
we
do
recognize.
B
This
is
a
time
commitment
for
council
and
the
council
members
that
do
attend.
We
would
ask
that
you
do
attend
the
full
day
and
a
half
training,
so
I
do
want
to
stress
that
point.
This
is
an
area
that
we
have
also
received
significant
interest
from
community
members
to
have
a
greater
understanding
of
our
Police
Training.
So
after
we
roll
through
training
within
the
department,
we
will
be
holding
a
four-hour
session
that
will
give
the
full
overview
of
what
so
day-and-a-half
training
is
for
the
community.
We
are
tentatively
looking
at
the
date
of
June
3rd.
B
A
Engagement,
creating
engagement,
/,
creating
a
welcoming
council,
environment
subcommittee,
and
that
goes
back
to
our
retreat
when
we
were
talking
about
doing
some
things
differently
and
trying
some
different
things
to
hopefully
engage
more
and
different
people.
So,
let's
think
about
that,
one
as
well
and
we'll
come
back
to
it
in
between
the
two
topics:
Mary.
B
Can
I
just
add
this
while
you're
thinking
about
that
the
subcommittee
process,
we
found
great
value
when
we
had
established
a
subcommittee
for
chats
with
council
and
I
believe
if
I
recall,
Suzanne,
Jones
and
Aaron.
You
were
a
member
of
that
subcommittee,
and
so
what
was
really
helpful
is
to
get
feedback
from
the
council
at
that
time
to
understand
what
your
goals
were
and
for
us
to
kind
of
collectively
shape
what
the
process
would
look
moving
forward
so,
based
on
the
council,
retreat
we're
recommending
a
similar
process
for
the
retreat
follow-up
items.
B
C
Well,
good
evening,
Council
I'm,
Dan
Burke,
director
of
open
space,
mountain
parks
and
before
we
dive
in
for
tonight's
first
topic,
which
is
to
help
us
prepare
for
the
upcoming
tribal
consultation,
I
just
want
to
first
recognize
and
acknowledge
the
efforts
that
city
staff
are
doing
in
regards
to
preparing
for
tribal
consultation
and
tribal
relations
in
general.
It's
really
a
group
effort
throughout
multiple
departments.
We
meet
monthly
throughout
the
year
and
from
city
manager's
office,
but
we
have
Jayne
that
attends
all
the
meetings.
C
Tanya
a
McMahon
Pam
Davis
Tom
Carr
from
the
City
Attorney's
Office
attends
those
monthly
meetings
and
Kurt
Ferran
hubber
with
housing
and
Human
Services.
We
have
several
representatives
from
open
space
in
mountain
parks,
including
Christian
Driver,
our
cultural
resources
coordinator
and
then
from
city
communications
affiliates.
So
it's
it's
quite
a
team
effort
that
that
we
get
together
once
a
month.
C
A
lot
of
it
is
centered
around
preparing
for
our
upcoming
consultations,
but
it
also
is
a
chance
for
us
to
discuss
tribal
relations
in
general
and
where
we
learn
a
lot
throughout
these
discussions
and
and
throughout
the
topics
that
we
cover.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
First
point
that
out
and
to
my
left,
we
have
earnest
House,
who
will
introduce
himself
in
just
a
bit,
but
earnest
is
a
senior
policy
adviser
with
the
Keystone
Policy
Center
and
earnest
has
been
with
the
city
as
far
as
arc.
C
C
In
order
to
give
us
an
overview
of
what
consultations
are
what
the
history
of
consultations
are,
what
we
might
expect
that
sort
of
a
thing,
but
before
earnest,
dives
in
and
then
and
and
entertains
any
questions
you
have
after
your
presentation,
I
thought.
I
would
just
briefly
provide
you
with
an
overview
of
the
city's
history
with
consultation.
So
back
in
the
1990's,
there
was
culture.
C
Interest.
Many
of
the
cultural
resources
that
we
identify
from
a
city's
perspective
are
located
out
on
on
city
lands
and
the
tribal
and
the
tribes
were
interested
and
discussing
that
and
what
is
it?
What
emerged
from
those
first
few
consultations
was
a
series
of
memorandums
of
understanding,
I
believe
there
was
three
or
four
in
total
that
the
city
has
signed
and
executed
with
13
tribal
nations
and,
and
the
last
one
I
believe
was
amended
in
2004.
C
So
now
we're
getting
to
having
those
agreements
are
about
20
years,
20
years
old,
so
fast
forward
to
2016
when
the
city
adopted
resolution
I
believe
it
was
11
90.
Yes,
it
was
the
resolution
that,
among
other
things,
declared
the
second
Monday
of
October
to
be
indigenous
peoples
day.
There
was
several
other
aspects
to
that
resolution,
including
the
desire
to
properly
name
Popat,
do
proper
naming,
and
out
of
that
was
specifically
stated
to
look
at
renaming
settlers
Park
and
to
seek
tribal
input
into
that
renaming
process.
So
what
emerged
from
that?
C
Was
the
city
hosting
a
tribal
consultation
last
march
in
2019,
in
which
fourteen
tribal
nations
were
invited
to
attend
a
two-day
consultation
with
the
settlers
Park
renaming
a
big
part
of
that
we
actually
went
out
to
settlers
park
and
toured
the
property
we
came
back
and
had
several
hours
of
discussion
on.
That
is
to
give
them
some
background
on
why
we
felt
we
wanted
to
do
a
name
change
and
why
getting
tribal
input
was
very
important
to
us
and
we
learned
a
lot
about
how
best
to
work
with
tribes
through
that
process.
C
So
because
we're
a
little
bit
more
than
six
weeks
away
from
another
consultation
and
because
we
have
some
new
council
members
here,
we
thought
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
bring
earnest
in
to
give
you
all
a
little
bit
of
a
background
of
what
consultations
are
and
some
other
information.
That's
going
to
be
helpful
for
you
if
you
participate
in
portions
of
the
upcoming
consultation.
So
with
that
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Ernest
house
thanks.
D
Stan
yeah
Mike,
given
the
walk,
it's
an
honor
to
be
with
you
all
this
evening.
It's
good
to
see
some
familiar
faces
around
the
table.
I
look
forward
to
meeting
the
new
members
of
council,
it's
an
honor
to
be
with
you
this
evening
and
as
we
go
through
this
process,
I'm
approaching
this
opportunity
as
if
really
we're
all
starting
from
step,
one
or
really
no
step
at
all.
D
Who've
always
called
Colorado
home
I
would
also
like
to
first
start
out
with
you
know,
recognizing
and
acknowledging
that
you
know
the
the
land
that
we
meet
on
today
and
and
what
we
call
our
current
homes
today
have
always
been
historical
homes
for
since
time
immemorial,
for
tribes,
like
my
own,
the
ute
mountain
ute,
tribe,
southern
ute,
northern
Utes,
rapaho,
Cheyenne
and
many
other
tribes
that
here
be
coming
to
this
consultation
in
in
a
handful
of
weeks.
So
I,
thank
you
for
your
opportunity
to
to
present
this
in
front
of
you
today.
So
starting
off.
D
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
general
idea
of
what
the
Colorado's
American
Indian
Alaskan
native
population.
Currently
our
numbers
here
in
Colorado,
mere
the
national
numbers
nationally,
two
percent
of
America,
two
percent
of
citizens
across
the
u.s.
identify
as
American
Indian,
Alaskan
native
the
same
thing
goes
for
here
in
Colorado.
You
may
think
that
number
should
be
higher
or
may
be
lower,
depending
on
what
states
you
may
have
come
from
or
if
you've
grown
up
here
in
Colorado,
but
it's
been
pretty
consistent.
D
You
will
see
that
here
are
just
some
numbers
across
the
state,
but
here
in
the
Denver
metro
area,
we
have
about
150
to
200
different
tribes,
represented
from
all
across
the
United
States
and
with
the
Sioux
nations
being
the
most
represented
and
then
the
Navajo
Nation
being
members
being
the
fastest-growing
citizens,
American
Indian
citizens.
We
see
moving
to
the
urban
areas.
Now
when
the
2010
census
happened.
There
was
about
75%
of
the
total
American
Indian
population
in
the
United.
States
lived
off
of
the
reservation
by
2020
I
expect
that
never
be
well
over
80%
reason.
D
D
D
So
a
little
bit
about
one
of
those
tribes
and
I'm,
talking
from
my
experience
alone,
I
wouldn't
want
to
give
the
history
on
another
tribe
that
I'm,
not
a
member
of
so
this
is
using
this.
As
an
example,
you
know
the
Utes,
what
we
know
about
the
Utes.
Well,
there's
seven
bands
of
Utes,
but
a
lot
of
people
to
really
recognize
the
three
tribes
today,
the
amount
new
tribe
and
Toyo
Colorado,
the
southern
Indian
tribe,
inning,
Nashville,
Colorado
close
to
Durango
and
the
you
Indian
tribe
and
Fort
Dechaine
Utah.
D
Now
the
Indian
tribe
was
also
forcibly
removed
before
during
this
process,
like
the
other
tribal
nations
were
as
well,
and
we
talked
about
Utes
historic
territory.
The
green
dotted
line
represents
the
vast
area
that
the
youths
would
hunt
go
after
game
now.
The
Utes
also
were
identified
as
one
of
the
first
tribal
nations
to
acquire
the
horse
by
the
Spanish,
and
so
when
we,
when
you
may
have
read
books
like
the
Comanche
nation
or
Empire
summer,
moon
or
even
did
more
research
done
wrong
research
around
Sioux
nations
or
rapaho
culture,
Kiowa,
Plains
tribes.
D
Those
were
tribes
that
tended
to
be
on
the
eastern
plains,
Utes
Shoshones,
some
other
ones,
were
more
of
the
mountain
people.
Utes
were
called
Mountain
people,
we
were
nomadic
and
we
always
moved
around
based
on
where
the
game
wore,
but
we
primarily
resided
up
in
the
mountains.
The
red
dotted
line
identifies
primarily
that
territory
which
we
would
be
going
and
hunting
and
fishing
and
looking
for
a
game.
So
if
we
were
to
take
those
seven
bands
that
make
up
ute
tribes
today,
this
is
predominantly
where
they
would
be.
D
But
again
we
were
also
moving
with
the
elements
we're
moving
with
the
climate.
So
my
band
is
the
women
each
band
in
southwestern
Colorado.
We
would
gravitate
towards
the
Vail
Valley
back
down
to
southwestern
Colorado.
Basically,
you
know
because
of
the
winters,
with
a
little
bit
more
warmer
climate.
A
lot
goes
for
some
of
these
other
bands
as
well.
D
So
historically,
this
next
few
slides
give
you
an
idea
of
progression
of
land
lost
in
what
we
know
is
Colorado
and
I'm,
giving
you
this
example
of
just
the
Utes.
All
these
other
tribes
went
through
their
own
process
and
I
want
to
recognize
that.
But
when
we
talk
about
why
this
is
so
important
to
tribal
nations
I'm
getting
to
that
on
why
the
importance
comes,
why
the
consultations
are
so
needed
today
and
why
they're
relevant
today.
D
So
here's
what
we
have
is
the
map
of
what
we
know
is
a
state
of
Colorado
today,
I,
usually
type
to
like
to
think
that
all
of
this
was
was
traditional
ute
and
has
been
traditional
youth
land.
We
have
hunting
blind,
still
standing
in
Rocky
Mountain
National
Park.
Our
last
bear
dance
was
identified
ceremony
in
garden
the
gods
in
1908
until
we
were
removed
from
that
location.
D
D
So,
like
I
said,
you
know
the
the
hunting
blind
still
standing
in
Rocky,
Mountain,
National
Park
or
the
items
and
ceremonies
we'd
have
in
places
like
Garland
the
gods.
Clearly
this
was
a
huge
game
changer
for
the
youth
perspective
on
many
levels,
but
then
you
really
start
to
see
the
encroachment
and
he
starts
to
see
the
take
away
from
that.
D
Then
this
was
by
the
1880s.
It
was
called
the
Utes
trip.
This
was
also
following
the
Meeker
massacre.
They
used
to
call
it
the
Meeker
incident,
I'm
sure
you
can
read
more
about
that
which
happened
right
outside
a
Meeker
Colorado
and
which
also
turned
into
the
Battle
of
Mill
Creek,
the
northern
Utes.
The
four
bands
that
make
up
the
you
Indian
tribe
in
Utah
today
they
were
removed
at
this
point
from
the
state
of
Colorado
by
gunpoint
by
a
Calvary
to
what
then
is
now
in
the
state
of
Utah.
D
The
other
three
bands
move
south
and
we,
both
three
bands
resided
on
this
huge
strip
now
anthropologists
and
archeologists,
will
tell
you
that
Utes
have
been
in
what
we
know
as
Colorado.
For
the
last
ten
to
twelve
thousand
years,
we
lost
Colorado
in
40
years
from
the
1860s
to
the
late
1880s
in
the
early
1900s,
and
now
this
is
what
our
reservation
system
outline
looks
like
today.
So
the
blue
line
in
southwestern
color
represents
my
tribe.
That's
the
ute
mountain
ute
tribe,
we're
in
three
states.
D
We
have
two
communities
once
toya,
Colorado
right,
south
of
Cortez
and
the
others
white
mesa,
utah
south
of
landing,
we're
600,000,
acres,
2,000
members,
seven
member
governing
council-
and
we
can
get
more
specifics.
That
later,
are
since
my
sister
tribe
in
the
is
the
southern
new
Indian
tribe,
300,000
acres,
checkerboard
reservation,
their
house
out
of
Ignacio
Colorado
I.
D
Give
you
this
context
and
background,
because
when
we
invite
Kahn
tribal
consultations
or
when
organizations
entities
at
the
federal
level
or
state
level
invite
to
host
tribal
consultations,
it's
so
important
to
talk
about
this
from
a
historical
context,
because
when
we're
just
talking
about
open
space,
it's
not
just
open
space
to
tribal
leaders.
Clearly,
there's
been
generations
that
have
utilized
this
space
that
we
either
call
home
or
that
we
collectively
discuss
around
trails
or
parks
or
even
certain
elements,
or
maybe
certain
ceremonies
were
done,
that
we
had
no
idea
about.
D
Many
of
these
tribes,
like
have
said
46,
are
not
are
located
in
Colorado
anymore,
just
to
have
the
opportunity
to
come
back
to
a
place
that
they
have
always
called
Colorado
home
and
then
held
in
such
high
regard.
Is
such
a
huge
step
forward,
and
so
that's
why
I
want
to
give
you
that
background.
First
Before,
we
jump
into
this
portion
of
tribal
consultation.
E
D
That's
a
great
question:
they're
actually
only
to
represent
those
communities
that
are
listed
there
on
the
map,
so
wallenberg
Trinidad
Trinidad
give
you
a
kind
of
general
location
of
where
these
municipalities
are
and
where
they
reside.
So
they
don't.
They
don't
they're,
not
related
to
any
sacred
sites
or
anything
like
that.
Okay,.
D
Well,
I
think
for
different
tribes.
It's
it's
different
I
think,
especially
for
some
of
our
sister
tribes
around
the
Sioux
Nation.
So
it
means
different
generations
and
representation
of
not
just
past
generations,
but
future
generations,
always
in
the
number-7.
But
there's
also
number
four:
that's
very
relevant
for
directions
for
seasons,
four
representations
of
life.
D
It
really
comes
down
to
different
creation
stories
of
how
these
tribes,
what
they
hold
near
and
dear,
how
the
process
they
work
through,
there's
certain
ways
to
enter
rooms
or
in
specially
lodges
or
sweat
ceremonies,
and
a
lot
of
these
numbers
come
out
in
those
types
of
ceremonies.
So
it's
really
dependent
on
which
tribal
nation
that
you're
talking
to
that's
a
good
question.
D
So
moving
on
to
what
is
tribal
consultation
and
you
have
an
attachment
within
your
packet.
That's
a
rather
large
document,
it's
about
a
50
page
document,
but
it's
a
document
that
when,
as
the
former
executive
director
for
the
Colorado
Commission
of
Indian
Affairs
I
served
under
governor
Owens,
governor
Ritter
and
governor
Hickenlooper,
my
office
put
together,
because
when
I
was
in
that
position
we
started
the
first
process
for
a
state,
tribal
consultation,
and
that
was
the
main
question
where
we
received.
What
is
this?
D
What
are
we
doing
and
really
the
intent
is
that
the
consultation
is:
is
the
open
and
mutual
exchange
of
information
integral
to
the
effective
collaboration
and
participation
and
informed
decision-making?
You
can
go
through
this
list,
I'm
not
going
to
read
that
to
you,
but
all
identify
in
this
next
part
of
the
PowerPoint.
The
pages
within
that
consultation
guide.
D
That
I
think
would
be
helpful
if
you
do
have
questions
or
maybe,
as
you
prepare
for
the
Consol
tribal
consultation
that
you
may
want
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about,
and
in
that
document
it
goes
more
deeper
into
the
weeds
on
some
of
these
things
and
I'll
identify
which
pages
they
can
be
found
on
here.
So
why
is
there
a
need
for
local
tribal
consultation?
You
know
this
is
fascinating.
I
think
what
and
I
said
this
to
the
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
with
the
council
last
year.
D
D
So
there
was
a
reason
to
bring
them
to
the
table.
This
one
is
also
unique.
You
have
prior
agreements
that
would
engage
in
a
consultation
or
you've
talked
with
tribes
in
the
past,
and
so
following
up
on
those
would
be
obviously
the
number
one
thing
that
also
is
to
enable
the
creation
of
strategies
how
you
look
at
the
potential
future
of
what
these
open
space
places
mean.
D
The
same
type
of
questions
are
going
to
be
probably
brought
forward
to
other
municipalities
that
you're
you're
adjacent
to
you.
If
that's
Longmont,
Lafayette
Denver's
already
addressed
them,
we've
brought
in
the
Denver
American
Indian
Commission,
so
different
organizations.
Different
municipalities
are
really
addressing
these.
In
a
different
way,
but
it
all
starts
with
with
the
consultation
and,
of
course
this
one
was
identified
under
a
previous
agreement.
D
So
when
you're
in
a
tribal
consultation,
it
really
is
concise.
Tauf
consensus
based
decision
making,
you're
providing
information,
there's
really
no
formal
vote,
that's
being
taken,
you're,
really
seeking
the
guidance.
You
appreciate
their
time,
the
tribal
leaders
that
have
traveled
there-
and
this
is
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
what
that
future
may
look
like
what
the
management
plan
may
look
like
what
a
site
may
be,
here's
the
opportunity
to
engage
and
have
that
conversation,
which
is
why
in
tribal
consultations,
there's
closed-door
meetings.
D
The
reason
why
they're
closed-door
meetings
is
because
there
is
an
information
sharing
there
between
tribal
nations
and
you
all
that
a
lot
of
these
tribes
are
not
comfortable,
sharing
or
they've,
not
put
it
in
writing
or
it's
not
been
shared
outside
of
that
entity.
Sometimes
tribes
aren't
even
required
to
talk
about
certain
ceremonies,
because
it's
not
not
that
time
of
the
year,
meaning
Utes
we
talk
about.
D
We
do
traditional
story
and
telling
only
during
certain
stories
only
during
the
winter
time,
because
traditionally,
we've
been
in
lodges
during
the
winter
time
it
was
when
you'd
gather
your
family.
You
try
to
gather
that
warmth,
and
that
was
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
These
tribes
will
also
may
discuss
sacred
sites
sacred
areas
where
the
Putt
general
public
does
not
know,
and
it
will
help
guide
your
conversation
because
there
may
be
a
path
being
created
right
next
to
it,
you
might
have
a
new
mountain
biking
path.
That's
going
right!
D
Next
to
that
that
the
tribal
nations
might
fear
would
would
negatively
impact
that
space
and
that's
information
that
you
should
know
that
the
tribes
don't
like
to
share
what
not
like
to
share
outside
of
that
context,
and
so
that's
why
a
lot
of
the
consultations,
especially
at
the
federal
level
and
the
state
level,
are
in
closed-door
sessions.
We
also
give
the
tribes
an
opportunity
to
have
one-on-one
sessions.
Maybe
there's
one
thing:
the
tribe
that
wants
to
pull
Dan
aside
and
say
you
know
what
there's
I
have
a
concern
about
this
area?
D
Can
I
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
this
or,
what's
this
site
being
utilized?
What
does
that
management
plan
look
like?
So
you
might
hear
more
of
that
as
you
go
throughout
the
consulate
of
the
consultation
really
consultation,
these
are
different
guides.
The
one
on
the
right
is
the
the
government
e1,
which
I
would
have
loved
to
change
them.
D
The
front
page
of
that
make
it
not
look
so
much
like
that
in
hindsight,
but
other
different
ones
that
are,
you
know,
National
Indian,
Education
Association
right
now,
every
student
succeeds
Act,
which
the
Colorado
Department
of
Education
adheres
to,
and
local
school
districts
adhere
to
talk
about
how
to
build
tribal
relationships
through
consultation
as
well.
So
there's
all
different
types
of
examples
of
what
that
looks
like
so
in
that
document,
and
in
the
very
beginning
it
will
talk
about
tribal
sovereignty.
What
is
tribal
sovereignty?
D
You
identify
that
we
talked
about
examples
of
really
as
it
comes
down
to
jurisdiction,
because
a
lot
of
times
that's
a
little
bit
easier
on.
Why
and
how
to
explain
tribal
sovereignty
and
why
that's
needed?
Why
we're
identifying
that
there,
this
invitations
being
sent
to
federally
recognized
tribes
Colorado,
does
not
have
any
state
recognized
tribes.
There
are
a
lot
of
state
recognized
tribes
throughout
the
u.s.
majority
of
them
are
in
the
south
and
the
south
southeast,
but
more
and
more
states,
it's
really
up
to
them
on
how
they
want
to
recognize
state
recognized
tribes.
D
D
D
Obviously,
it's
a
mutual
ongoing
understanding.
We
try
to
give
examples
in
that
document,
a
little
bit
more
of
why
states
and
tribes
do
that
and
whether
you,
the
conversation
is
unique
or
we
share
a
lot
of
information.
The
Colorado
Water
Plan
is
an
example
first
time
the
Colorado
Water
Plan,
when
we
released
we
reached
out
to
the
tribes
to
get
their
input.
What
that
looked
like
the
state
of
Colorado
outdoor
recreation
plan,
the
scorp
now
goes
into
tribal
communities.
D
So
these
are
some
examples,
but
I
would
think
that
a
lot
of
these
could
be
examples
that
the
staff
and
others
at
the
city
level
can
also
look
at
ways
to
engage
tribes.
We
just
had
the
recent
Outdoor
Retailer
winter
show
in
Denver.
More
and
more
those
tribes
are
being
requested
to
attend
those
conversations,
because
what
is
outdoor
recreation
mean
to
tribal
nations?
Well,
if
you
ask
jobs,
which
we
have
a
lot
of,
my
tribal
leaders
and
others
will
be
kind
of
confused
about
that-
we've
always
recreative
outdoors
for
thousands
and
thousands
of
years.
D
So
what
does
that
mean
today?
And
how
does
that
mean?
What
does
that
mean
to
our
communities
and
what
are
you
all
doing
in
communities
like
Bowler?
So
that's
just
a
couple
examples
of
what
we
mean
when
you
look
at
that
page.
When
we
talk
about
meaningful
tribal
consultation,
now,
there's
been
a
conversation
around
yes
tribal
consultation
but
then
meaningful
and
the
emphasis
on
meaningful
tribal
consultation,
I,
think
federal
agencies
and
state
agencies.
Everybody
wants
to
have
meaningful
tribal
consultation,
but
I
also
tell
folks
that
it
doesn't
I.
D
Don't
I
wouldn't
make
a
determination
on
if
your
consultation,
successful
by
how
many
memorandums
of
understanding
or
intergovernmental
agreements
that
come
out
from
that
if
they
come
out
great,
but
if
not,
this
is
a
general
session
to
be
able
to
have
that
ongoing
conversation.
Where
does
it
go
from
there
meaningful
I've
always
thought
were
that
you
are
coming
to
it
with
a
good
heart,
with
a
good
mind
and
you're,
giving
the
respect
to
the
conversation.
D
We
were
giving
your
respect
to
the
visitors
that
you've
invited
back
to
their
homeland
and
being
giving
them
an
a
comfort
area
in
space
to
be
able
to
share
what
they
want
to
share.
This
is
all
about
the
development
of
that
relationship
where
it
goes
like
I
said
everybody
every
unique,
every
community's
unique
and
every
collaboration
where
it
starts
goes
through
a
certain
process.
D
I
told
Council
last
year
at
that
time,
I'm
telling
you
all
that
there
might
be
a
time
in
the
consultation
where
the
tribal
leaders
asked
you
to
leave
the
room
or
ask
staff
to
leave
the
room
because
they
need
to
converse
amongst
themselves.
They
need
to
discuss
what
they're
seeing
in
front
of
them.
Staff
could
have
presented
a
lot
of
information,
and
they
just
need
to
get
some
time
to
review
that.
D
Sometimes
tribal
leaders
will
need
to
think
about
this
and
then
talk
amongst
their
peers,
but
then
also
possibly
go
and
smudge,
or
do
some
type
of
ceremony
before
they
come
back
to
what
it
is
you're
talking
about.
This
also
greatly
depends
on
the
tribes,
but
for
in
general,
time
is
very
different
in
the
concept
of
time
is
different
in
tribal
communities
and
indigenous
communities
in
tribal
communities.
D
That's
what
drives
our
agenda,
but
that
comes
off
disrespectful
because
of
the
emphasis
of
time,
and
so
those
type
of
certain
things
are
things
that
we're
trying
to
engage
and
create
this
space.
That
really
proves
that
that
you
are
there
and
staff
is
there
to
really
truly
get
down
to
not
only
having
conversation
about
the
issues,
but
then
how
do
you
move
and
go
on
from
there
if
that
makes
sense?
So
part
of
those
tips
for
consultation
and
I
just
talked
about
really
the
the
around?
D
What
what
some
of
those
examples
are
you'll
find
on
pages
33
in
34,
but
really
it's
the
time
to
to
spend
on
those
like
what
I
talked
about
and
then,
of
course,
knowing
that
when
tribes
need
to
make
it.
If
you're
asking
tribal
nations
to
make
a
decision,
they
need
to
go
back
like
many
of
you
if
you're
representing,
so
you
a
builder
to
bring
it
back
to
your
councilmembers
to
your
mayor,
same
thing
goes
with
a
lot
of
tribes.
D
They
need
to
take
it
back
to
their
tribal
councils,
their
tribal
leadership,
to
make
a
determination
to
get
more,
to
gather
more
information
to
be
able
to
come
back.
I
think
the
staffs
been
really
great
in
at
least
in
my
experience
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
around
allowing
tribes
that
flexibility
to
do
that.
D
Respecting
that
process
and
at
the
end
of
each
consultation
will
ask
the
tribes
what
that
process
is
to
be
respectful
of
how
they
want
to
move
forward
and
moving
this
conversation
forward
additional
tips
on
successful
consultation
in
that
document,
of
course,
like
I
said,
can
be
found
on
on
33
and
34
I.
Think
one
of
the
interesting
things
too,
is
one
of
the
biggest
questions
I
used
to
get
all
the
time
when
I
was
with
the
Colorado
Commission
of
Indian.
Affairs
was
what's
the
preferred
term.
I
don't
want
to
be
disrespectful
I'm.
D
D
Language
or
term
would
be
whatever
specific
tribe.
That
was
so,
if
you
knew
you
were
talking
with
the
you
mountain
ute,
tribe
or
southern
ute
tribe,
but
you
may
not
know
that
but
tribes
like
to
be
referred
to
by
their
tribal
nation
and
then
a
lot
of
times,
I'll
use
in
this
document.
You'll
see
me:
interchange
between
American,
Indian,
Alaska,
Native
and
Native
American,
Native
American,
is
one
that's
being
gradually
phased
out.
D
Indian
is
is
a
legal
term
that
will
be
used
by
Congress
and
in
legal
documents,
but
is
not
supported
used
outside
of
that
context.
American
Indian
is
probably
the
most
wider
used
term
and
actually
in
even
state
agent
state
policy
or
with
the
state
legislature.
There's
a
process
now
to
move
of
that
to
American
indian/alaska
native
a
lot
of
times
to
is
Alaska
Natives
also
come
and
reside
not
only
in
our
communities,
but
then
have
businesses
have
business
dealings
in
the
Denver
Metro
area.
D
So
that's
why
it's
also
important
that
we're
acknowledging
the
American
Indians
/,
Alaska
native.
So
if
you
see
American,
Indians,
/,
Alaskan
native,
that's
predominately,
because
it's
being
used
a
lot
more
and
the
transitioning
from
but
really
the
best
bet
is
to
ask
the
tribes.
You
know
what
their,
what
that
pref
preference
would
be,
but
a
lot
of
times
it's
the
first
form
is
going
to
be.
The
best
case
is
going
to
be
the
Tribal
Nation.
What
that
you're
working
with
yep.
D
It's
a
good
question:
I
think
indigenous
is
also
a
term.
That's
used
on
a
very
broad
scope
and
when
I
talk
about
indigenous
today,
there's
indigenous
cultures,
both
Latino
Hispanic
communities
in
southern
Colorado
and
northern
New
Mexico
that
have
also
been
a
part
of
of
different
indigenous
communities,
both
historically
by
migrating
from
Mexico
I.
Think
indigenous
to
the
land
can
also
include
some
of
these
groups
as
well.
When
I'm
talking
about
American
Indians,
we're
talking
about
I'm
talking
about
federally
recognized
our
state
recognized
tribes.
So
that's
the
distinction.
I
think.
D
That's
a
very
good
question
that
you
talked
about,
though,
because
when
I
talk
to
colleges
or
universities
today,
especially
when
talking
about
indigenous
knowledge,
there's
a
lot
of
that
shared
indigenous
knowledge,
that's
passed
on
through
different
groups
doesn't
matter
which
tribe
which
community
you
come
from.
You
belong
to
that
doesn't
matter,
but
there's
an
indigenous
knowledge
of
generations
or
groups
of
people
that
have
been
there
for
a
long
time.
That
I
think
are
under
the
umbrella
of
the
term.
Indigenous.
D
So
here
the
last
two
slides
are
really
the
couple
pictures
and
I
sorry
I
apologize
I'm,
my
photographer
clearly,
but
so
a
lot
of
the
back
of
the
heads.
But
to
give
you
an
idea
that
picture
on
the
left
was
the
format
that
we've
used
is
really
I,
mean
circles
always
are
important,
but
we
have
large
representation
like
up
to
14
tribes.
You
know,
rectangles
Jews
I
mean
we're
trying
to
try
and
have
everybody
see
that
we
have
a
place
on
the
side
for
the
public,
for
the
very
opening
and
then
so.
D
That's
the
the
picture
of
what
that
looks.
Like
representatives
are
scattered
throughout
the
table.
It's
not
in
any
type
of
format,
we're
really
where
they
would
like
to
sit.
The
picture
on
the
right
is
when
the
tribal
representatives
wanted
to
go,
see
and
tour
I
think
this
was
settlers
park,
so
they
wanted
to
go
tour
that
and
see
that
for
themselves
again,
some
of
them
have
never
seen
it
they've
never
been
there.
So
it
was
important
to
to
do
that.
D
The
picture
on
the
lower
right
was
the
when
we
first
got
to
settlers
park
and
staff
were
giving
some
background,
which
is
always
important,
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
important,
that
you
see
this
next
consultation,
that
which
was
a
direct
quest
out
of
the
tribes
that
they
see
these
spaces.
That
they're
talking
about
that.
It's
great
to
have
this
information
on
paper,
but
really
as
we
would
all
agree,
it's
you
know
to
see.
D
It
is
even
better
to
see
that
majesty
and
then
the
majestic
locations
that
that
have
that
us
being
discussed
is
really
of
the
importance
and
then
the
top
left
is
actually
at
the
very
end,
and
this
is
this
happens
on
different
consultations
depending
on
what
you
know
where
you
go.
But
here
was
an
opportunity
to
some
gift
exchanges:
some
some
gifts,
some
small
gifts
from
the
community,
a
boulder
to
the
tribal
representatives
for
being
there.
D
But
then,
and
then
you
cancel
I'd
love
to
get
your
thoughts
on
this,
because
I
thought
it
was
a
very
powerful
moment
when
the
tribal
leaders
wanted
to
return
that
there's
no
outline
to
the
tribes
didn't
were
not
aware
that
that
there
was
that
the
city
of
Boulder
was
going
to
be
presenting
them
with
anything,
and
so
they
really
appreciated
the
hospitality
that
was
shown
by
the
staff
and
council,
and
so
they
took
this
opportunity
provide
their
own
gifts,
and
so
that
can
happen
also
at
any
point.
But
again
it's
nothing.
D
The
wok
means
thank
you
and
ute.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
with
you.
I
really
do
appreciate
this
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
I
can't
emphasize
it
enough
that
if
other
communities
could
watch
how
you're
holding
this
conversation,
not
only
would
I
be
impressed,
but
I
think
that
other
communities
and
other
tribes
would
be
impressed
and
we'd
have
the
opportunity,
as
Native,
Americans
and
American
Indians,
to
be
able
to
extend
that
conversation
further
to
be
reconnected
to
the
areas
that
we've
always
called
home
and
so
I.
F
Thanks
so
much
for
that
and
for
your
help
this
year
and
last
year
in
the
past,
I
found
the
the
tips
for
the
successful
consultation
extremely
helpful
last
year
before
that,
so
four
council
members
are
participating,
I
highly
recommend
reading
that
through
carefully
I'm,
going
to
reread
it
this
year
before
I
go
in.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
that
with
us.
E
E
It
was
not
only
a
look
into
a
different
way
of
relating
to
decision
making
than
I
experienced
here
on
council
and
other
settings,
business
settings
and
so
on.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity,
because
it
is
a
little
transformative
in
a
way
that
I
didn't
expect
and
the
picture
that
was
shown
on
the
previous
slide
of
the
gift
giving
ceremony.
E
Giving
the
gifts
was
the
wisdom
of
the
grandmothers
and
she
gave
the
gifts
and
gave
it
speech,
and
then
they
sang
I
think
it
was
the
White
Buffalo
song,
white
buffalo
mountain
song,
and
it
was
incredibly
touching
and
very
powerful.
So
I
would
just
say
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity
because
it's
unique.
G
First,
oh
yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
Ernest
will
the
we
had
what
14
tribes
last
year
last
time
last
year
participate?
Will
the
the
participants
next
month
be
largely
the
the
same
tribe?
So
we
have
that
continuity,
the
continuation
of
the
discussions
that
were
started
last
year
so.
D
The
invitation
has
been
sent
to
all
of
the
tribes
from
the
very
minute
just
like
last
year:
48,
historic
tribes
of
Colorado
and
but
I
think,
because
those
14
have
have
been
involved
in
the
conversation
over
the
last
year.
That's
probably
will
you'll
tend
to
see.
There
also
has
been
some
specific
requests
by
tribes
by
inviting
other
sister
tribes.
D
C
E
One
more
question,
the
subject
of
folks
who
identify
as
American
Indian
but
who
aren't
part
of
a
recognized
federally
recognized
tribe.
How
is
is
that
going
to
be
something
that
we
deal
with
now
or
is
it
something
that
would
come
later?
It
was
an
issue
that,
for
me,
was
a
little
confusing
as
to
how
and
it
was
explained
that
the
federally
recognized
tribes
had
standing,
but
I
was
just
curious
for
the
the
folks
who
aren't
part
of
that
who
want
to
be
part
of
maybe
using
the
open
space.
C
C
Because
of
that
very
subject
is
that
there
are
there's
a
different
subject
of
how
we
have
build
relationships
within
the
the
urban
areas
and
the
folks
that
maybe
don't
affiliate
with
a
federally
recognized
tribe,
and
so
we
sort
of
I
guess
would
have
to
tracks.
We
have
this
formal
consultation
with
federally
recognized
tribes
and
then
we're
trying
to
build
an
understanding
them
with
amongst
the
city
of
what
it
would
mean
to
have
meaningful
relationships
with
of
urban
American
Indians
that
may
not
associate
with
a
fellow
recognized
tribes.
C
So
that's
what
we
invited
folks
from
Denver
to
hear
from
what
they're
doing
and
what
we're
beginning
to
understand.
Is
that
there's
an
appreciation
and
we
even
had
some
requests
from
American
and
his
too,
to
not
only
think
about
it
from
a
city
of
Boulder
but
more
of
a
regional
context.
So
now,
we've
reached
out
to
Boulder
County
Reeve
out
just
a
reached
out
to
Longmont
and
some
other
communities
that
are
having
the
same
conversations
and
just
in
a
month
or
so.
Staff
from
all
the
from
the
region
are
going
to
be.
C
Our
begun
are
going
to
be
starting
to
meet
out
of
that.
We
don't
know,
what's
going
to
come
out
of
it,
but
we're
trying
to
develop
a
way
where
we
can
deepen
those
relationships
and
deepen
conversations
and
where
issues
that
may
be
important
to
American
Indians
in
the
urban
areas
where
they
might
be
able
to
bring
those
concerns
and
trying
to
come
up
with
let
the
bet
best
mechanism
will
be
so
we're
about
a
year
into
those
conversations.
And
now
we're
just
beginning
to
have
more
of
those
regional
conversations.
B
Can
I
just
add
to
that
a
little
bit
so
something
that
came
up
last
year
at
tribal
consultation
was
specifically
from
David
Young
and
David.
Young
has
previously
approached
counsel
to
wanting
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
within
this
space.
So
we
have
been
meeting
with
him
specifically
around
this
space
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
move
forward
with
tribal
consultation
with
the
recognized
tribes
and
also
recognize
and
respect
individuals
within
our
community,
such
as
David.
B
Tonight's
conversation
is
really
a
continued
dialogue
from
last
year
when
counsel
had
discussed
library
district
and
a
commitment
that
we
made
as
a
city
to
the
Library
Commission,
as
well
as
the
library
champions
to
really
focus
on
financial
sustainability
of
our
library.
This
was
an
aspect
that
was
really
a
cornerstone
of
the
library
master
plan
as
well,
so
that
we
can
really
look
at
library,
services
in
the
future
and
achieving
components
of
the
library
master
plan.
B
So
some
of
this
information
will
be
information
that
you've
heard
last
year,
both
from
David
and
Katie,
as
well
as
revised
or
updated.
Information
relative
to
financials
I
will
also
indicate
that
Kim
Sutter
is
in
the
audience.
Kim
is
recognized
throughout
the
state
of
Colorado
as
a
library,
district
guru,
I'll,
call
it
and
is
available
for
council
questions.
J
All
right,
Thank,
You,
Tanya,
I'm,
David
gear,
with
the
City,
Attorney's,
Office
and
I
guess
I'll.
Just
ask
him
to
come
up
to
the
table
now,
because
I
got
a
feeling
that
you
guys
are
gonna
shortly.
Put
him
on
the
hot
seat.
Also
here
in
the
audience
from
our
office
is
Janet
Michaels,
who
has
been
one
of
the
laboring
ORS
in
terms
of
doing
the
legal
work
associated
with
understanding
district
formation
and
Alissa
Denver
from
the
city
manager's
office
who's
been
helping
us
as
well
with
that
research.
J
So
at
your
table
there
are
some
materials
that
are
intended
to
respond
to
some
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
during
the
council
agenda
meeting
this
week.
There
are
some
materials
on
districts
and
the
formation
process
used
in
those
districts,
as
well
as
some
information
related
to
how
assets
were
distributed
upon
a
library
assets
distributed
upon
the
formation
of
a
district.
J
Valley
district
was
formed
in
2006
and
it's
been
one
of
the
it's
been
a
district
formation
process
since
we've
been
dealing
with
the
boulder
library
champions
since
they
started
their
petitioned
and
that
we've
kind
of
used
as
one
of
our
guiding
touchstones
in
terms
of
how
another
community
has
gone
about
dealing
with
the
question
of
district
formation
and
then,
of
course,
the
process
associated
with
that.
As
you
were
all
aware,
the
boulder
library
champions
submitted
and
circulated
a
petition
with
the
objective
of
a
forming
at
a
library
district.
J
It
was
presented
last
summer
to
the
county
clerk
for
signature
verification.
As
we
all
know,
the
timelines
in
the
library
law
are
fast-moving
for
forming
a
district
and,
as
this
process
was
unfolding,
the
city
asked
the
library
districts
or,
at
the
library
champions
to
withdraw
their
petition
for
for
consideration
at
the
2018
election
and
let
the
city
have
a
robust
conversation
about
library
funding.
So
tonight
we're
kicking
off
that
discussion.
J
J
As
you
see
in
the
chart,
the
same
thing
happens
as
you're
doing
the
petition
process
that
you
move
through
the
process
and
the
the
library
law
often
tells
you
please
look
again
at
doing
it
by
the
ordinance
or
resolution
process.
So
there's
a
process
actually
in
the
petition
process,
where
you
look
at
forming
it
by
a
resolution
and
then,
if
you
don't
do
that,
the
city
has
an
opportunity
to
either
opt
out
of
the
district
or
let
it
go
to
an
election.
J
I'm
going
to
go
into
a
little
more
detail
about
each
of
the
processes
now,
so
if
the
establishment
is
by
resolution
or
ordinance,
the
process
includes
the
following
steps:
first,
there's
a
public
hearing
following
notice
that
will
be
held
by
any
governmental
unit,
that's
participating
in
forming
the
public
library.
So
in
this
case,
the
city
and
the
county.
Public
hearings
included
discussion
of
the
purposes
of
the
library
district
to
be
formed
where
more
than
one
governmental
unit
is
involved.
J
There
is
a
discussion
of
the
powers,
rights,
obligations,
response
and
responsibilities,
financial
and
otherwise
for
each
governmental
unit.
The
resolution
itself,
when
adopted,
forms
the
district,
but
it
describes
the
district's
legal
service
area.
It's
specified,
specify
a
mill
levy
in
property
tax
dollars
to
be
imposed
or
other
type
of
funding
that
will
be
used
to
fund
the
district,
and
it
states
that
it
must
state
that
the
electors
of
the
Library
District
must
approve
the
amount
of
a
tax
levy
not
previously
established
by
a
resolution
or
ordinance
or
previously
previously
approved
by
the
electors.
J
So
upon
adoption
of
the
resolution
or
ordinance
the
legislative
bodies,
one
as
I
noted,
they
established
the
district
as
a
public
library
and
provide
for
its
financial
support,
beginning
on
or
before
January
1st
of
the
following
year.
So
that's
a
pretty
quick
time
or
if
the
tax
has
not
previously
been
established
upon
the
formation
or
upon
the
adoption
of
some
measure
to
approve
a
tax
to
fund
the
district.
J
J
J
Basically
there
it
starts
with
the
committee
of
petitioners
that
develop
a
petition
and
it
will
request
the
establishment
of
a
library
district.
It
names
the
governmental
units
establishing
the
library-
and
in
this
case
that's
Boulder
County
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
there's
a
description
of
a
legal
service
area
for
the
district,
and
then
there
is
a
specification
of
the
mill
levy
to
be
imposed
and
the
type
of
funding
that
the
electors
have
to
approve
to
fund
the
district.
J
The
petition
itself
is
addressed
to
the
Board
of
County
Commissioners
and
there
are
requirements
related
to
how
the
costs
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
that
tonight,
but
how
the
cost
of
the
district
election
are
allocated
amongst
the
various
parties
once
in
receipt
of
the
petition.
This
is
what
the
Caddy
has
again.
The
library
law
directs
you
to
consider
passing
a
resolution
or
ordinance
at
the
onset
and
forgo
the
need
for
an
election.
J
It's
right
before
the
process.
It's
right
at
this
process,
this
time
in
the
process
where
there
is
a
window
of
time
where,
if
the
city,
if,
if
one
of
the
establishing
entity
that
that
have
a
public
library
don't
want
to
participate,
they
can
opt
out,
there's
a
very
small
window
for
when,
in
this
case
it
would
be,
the
city
could
opt
out
of
the
district
and
not
participate
thereafter.
Once
in
the
district,
when
you
read
the
library
law,
it
appears
that
it's
very
difficult
to
get
out
of
the
district.
J
J
G
Thanks
David,
that
was
really
helpful.
I,
don't
know
if
this
goes
to
Kimmel
or
David
you
so
just
to
recap:
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
just
to
confirm
my
understanding
and
the
second
is
to
I'll,
follow
one
question
so
David
as
I
understood
it
if
a
petition
is
delivered.
First
of
all,
the
petition
is
delivered
to
the
county,
that's
crass,
all
right
and
then
once
the
petition
is
delivered
to
the
county,
then
cities
that
are
affected
by
that
petition
have
a
choice
of
either
passing
a
resolution.
G
E
E
E
G
Thanks
and
then
my
second
question
is
so
the
petition
petition
has
submitted
the
cities
within
that
boundary
has
Sam
described,
can
either
passed
a
resolution
establishing
the
district
I'm
submitting
an
establishment
question
for
a
vote
or
opt
out?
Are
they
also
is?
This?
Is
the?
Is
there
also
a
requirement
as
a
result
of
a
petition
to
have
a
table
vote?
Is
that
required
as
a
result
of
the
petition?
It
sounds
like
it's
required.
If
you
don't
pass
a
resolution
or
opt
out,
it
sounds
like
it
you're
required
to
have
established
my
voter.
K
Statute
provides
that
within
a
90-day
period
after
formation,
the
establishing
entities
have
to
provide
for
the
funding
of
the
district,
so
that
is
typically
done
by
having
a
table
vote.
We
have
some
districts
that
have
never
done
that.
Gilpin
County
supports
its
library
district
on
its
own.
So
can
it
change
next
year,
but
establishing.
K
K
G
The
if
the
boundaries
established
by
the
petition
are
extraterritorial
that
are
beyond
the
city
who,
who
must
you
said
the
statute
requires
that
that
somebody
must
fund
that
who's,
the
somebody
if
it's
beyond
the
city
of
Boulder
County,
the
county
must
fund
it.
So
if
there
was
so
there's
no
requirement
that
there
be
a
table
vote.
Is
that
correct?
There's,
no.
G
To
be
established,
so
you
could
have
a
situation
where
petitioners
filed
and
there's
an
establishment
vote
right,
an
establishment
vote,
but
for
a
period
of
time,
maybe
indefinitely
or
year
or
two
either
the
county
or
the
city
or
some
collection
of
government
entities
could
fund
that
organize
that
district
for
a
while
and
if
they
decided
they
wanted
to
do
something
different.
They
could
always
go
to
the
table.
What
is
that
correct?
Correct
got
it
thanks:
Kim,
Thanks
and.
F
I
I
There
a
way
to
engage
in
a
process
of
negotiation
to
determine
what
the
IGA
will
look
like
before,
going
to
a
vote,
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
in
not
going
to
our
voters
and
being
able
to
inform
them
as
to
all
of
the
substantive
characteristics
of
what
we're
asking
them
to
approve,
whether
it's
leasing,
buildings,
conveying
fee
title
to
buildings
and
on
and
on
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could
inform
them
of
those
things
at
the
time
we
ask
for
their
approval.
Is
that
possible?
I
K
Walz,
that's
an
excellent
question
and
we've,
but
we
found
over
the
years
is
we
strongly
encourage
the
formation
by
resolution
for
the
very
reason
that
you're
pointing
out
because
then
you
have
in
order
to
have
an
idea.
You
have
to
have
two
sides
to
negotiate
that
arrangement
if
you
form
the
entity
by
resolution
and
then
within
that
resolution
say
that
it'll
be
dissolved.
I
L
A
K
Takes
a
lot
less
time
than
you
would
think
it
sounds
very
complicated,
but
if
once
you've
determined
what
you
want
to
do
with
the
library
district
real
estate-
and
you
know-
you're
not
going
to
keep
the
books
you're
going
to
turn
those
over
to
the
library
district,
once
you
figure
out
how
you
want
to
handle
the
personnel
and
their
employment
benefits,
which
is
again,
is
not
that
difficult.
It
can
go
into
the
IGA
fairly
quickly.
The
IGA
can
then
also
extend
the
time
period
over
which
these
transitions
take
place
so
pooter
in
Fort
Collins.
K
We
drafted
that
IgA
so
that
the
library
district
was
buying
services
from
the
city,
so
accounting
purchasing
all
kinds
of
things
go
through
the
city.
The
library
district
pays
the
city
for
those
services,
and
most
of
that
has
continued
since
the
formation
of
the
library,
because
it
worked
out
so
well
for
everybody.
A
F
Would
one
possible
path
be
that
we
could
form
it
by
resolution
and
then
we
negotiate
an
IgA
with
the
county
that
would
lay
out
and
then
the
district
right
with
a
with
the
trustees
that
would
lay
out
the
forum
that
that
would
take
and
then
say,
put
in
a
contingency
on
passage
of
a
taper
vote
and
then
say:
okay
in
the
meantime,
business
as
usual,
we
run
the
library
exactly
the
same
way.
It
runs
today
funded
the
same
way,
but
that
if
the
taper
vote
passes,
then
the
new
IgA
kicks
in.
G
Thank
you,
I
call
it
qui
on
that
and
in
using
Heron's
model.
That
presumably
could
also
happen
if
there
was
a
an
establishment
vote
as
well.
In
other
words,
one
one
option
in
response
to
a
petition
would
be
to
pass
a
resolution.
Another
response,
as
I
think
you've
indicated,
is
that
you
could
have
an
establishment
vote
without
that
funding
and,
if
that's
established
by
the
vote
of
the
people,
then
the
funding
can
come
at
some
later
point
as
well.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct.
G
Real
about
the
Williams
yeah.
What
is
that
those
marks
point
who
decides
when
the
so
you
know
so,
let's
say
the
the
voters
have
established
a
district
in
it.
Let's
say
it's
beyond
the
range
of
us
city:
boundaries
who
decides
what?
How
and
when
of
a
taper
vote
is
at
the
county.
Is
that
the
city
who
decides
that
again.
K
It's
part
of
the
establishing
entities
duty.
So
if
it's
in
the
petition,
the
petition
would
probably
say
at
the
next
general
election,
but
really
it
would
be
part
of
the.
If
you
didn't
do
that
on
the
and
and
you
established
by
resolution,
you
could
agree
that
that
could
take
place
over
time
or
it
must
take
place
within
a
certain
amount
of
time,
going
back
to
Fort
Collins.
What
we
did
there
was
to
form
the
district
we
entered
into
the
IgA
and
then
within
the
the
formation
resolution.
K
G
G
So
we,
if
the
petition
is
filed,
we
go
down
the
path
of
an
establishing
vote.
Yes,
it's
the
county
who
does
decide
whether
the
paper
vote
happens,
the
same
time
or
as
some
subsequent
time
is
that
right,
yes,.
G
A
I
K
You
know
the
places
that
I
over
the
years
have
feared.
Something
was
going
to
go
wrong
mostly
had
to
do
with
a
situation
like
yours,
where
you
have
an
established
municipal
library
and
I
always
feared
that
somewhere
along
the
way,
somebody's
gonna
say
we're,
not
gonna.
Let
you
use
the
library
building
or
we're
not
going
to
give
you
the
books.
We're
gonna
sell
them
to
somebody
else.
K
I
I
K
No
two
things
with
regard
to
that:
they
don't
have
the
authority
under
the
statutes
to
do
a
mortgage
to
use
their
property
to
lien
their
property,
their
pledges,
their
tax
revenue.
If
they're
going
to
borrow
funds,
I
was
I
gonna,
say
in
Adams
County.
What
we
did
was
we
transferred
all
the
library
buildings
to
the
library
district
with
the
right
of
reverter
on
all
of
the
buildings.
K
So
if
the
library
did
something
with
the
buildings
that
the
county
didn't
want,
they
could
pull
the
buildings
back
and
then,
as
time
went
by,
we
ended
up
getting
rid
of
every
old
library,
building
and
building
new
ones,
and
each
time
we
would
just
say,
can
you
will
you
release
the
right
of
reverter?
So
we
can
sell
the
building
to
help
fund
the
new
libraries
and
they
did
different
one
of
them.
A
K
K
E
Following
Bob's
questions,
again,
petitions
are
submitted
to
the
county,
so
hundred
signatures,
and
the
decision
is
made
by
the
county
and
the
city
to
have
a
formation
it
would
it
be
the
county
in
the
city
or
would
it
just
be
the
county?
We
want
to
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
who
can
say
we
want
a
formation
election
yeah.
It.
K
E
In
other
words,
the
county
at
that
point,
once
the
petitions
put
in
place,
the
county
can
form
the
district
by
resolution.
Yes,
so
that's
the
county's
choice.
Once
the
petition
lands,
the
county
can
form
by
resolution.
Correct
or
the
county
can
refer
to
vote
formation
vote
correct
and
if
the
county
refers
it
to
a
formation
vote,
you
said
the
disadvantage.
There
is
that
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
explain
to
the
voters
what
the
terms
would
be
yes
for
an
eventual
tabor
vote.
E
E
E
The
city
already
has
its
taxing
authority,
leaving
aside
the
very
small
point:
three
Mills
property
tax
dedication.
The
city
generates
its
money
through
sales
tax
and
through
a
little
bit
of
property
tax.
But
so
the
city
would
continue
funding
its
library
district
and
there
would
be
this
overlay,
and
so
then,
wouldn't
there
be
the
possibility
of
a
negotiation
between
the
city,
the
county
and
the
district
governance,
which
is
the
board.
E
So
we
have,
we
have
petitions
have
been
submitted,
County
forms
the
dis
referred
to
vote
or
form
the
district.
Whichever
votes
successful,
now,
there's
an
overlay
there's
a
library,
district
and
there's
Boulder
City,
which
has
its
libraries
and
presumably
discussions
would
begin.
Then,
if
the
library
district
wanted
to
go
forward
and
fund
itself,
it
would
say
city
library
system.
Would
you
want
to
be
part
of
this?
Would
you
want
to
see
the
council
loan
or
lease
or
give
or
whatever
your
buildings
to
us
so
that
negotiation
would
still
happen
at
that
point?
E
The
city
hasn't
opted
so
because
the
city
has
mopped
it
out,
everything
is
still
on
the
table,
the
district
is
formed
and
then
there
could
be
a
negotiation
and
then
a
Tabor
about
correct
the
following
November,
which
would
then
decide
how
to
fund
any
transfer
of
properties.
So
there
would
still
be
the
possibility
of
negotiating
the
the
relationship
between
the
city,
library
system
and
the
library
district,
correct.
K
E
I
mean
I,
guess
it
does.
You
know
I'll
return
to
this
later,
but
I
guess
what
it
does
do
is
ask
if
the
will
of
the
voters
within
this
circle,
which
includes
a
whole
bunch
of
older
voters,
is
that
they
want
a
district
to
happen.
Yes,
and
so
it
the
the
formation
question,
it
doesn't
specify
I
mean
the
Tabor
question
is
what's
going
to
specify
the
dollars
and
cents,
and
you
know
all
the
arrangements
will
have
been
made
and
how
much
are
my
tax
is
going
to
increase,
and
that's
why
you
have
a
table.
E
K
E
G
So
I
come
back
to
the
discussion
you
had
with
mark
because
you
indicated
that
the
disadvantage
of
of
submitting
a
question
to
the
voters
before
you
negotiated
an
idea.
I
GA
was
that
the
voters
wouldn't
know
all
the
terms
right
correct,
and
so
they
asked
the
question:
do
you
want
to
form
a
district
without
necessarily
knowing
the
tax
amount
or
what
the
terms
are?
But
if
we
form
up
by
resolu,
don't
we
have
exactly
the
same
problem?
It's
just
a
different
number
of
people
right
well,
yeah.
G
Instead
of
having
30,000
people
who
don't
have
information,
we
have
nine
people
who
don't
have
information
and
we're
still
making
the
same
decision
without
without
niga
haven't
been
negotiated,
or
the
taper
I'm
out
enough
known
at
all
that
all
that
information
that
would
be
really
helpful
to
either
nine
people
or
thirty
thousand
people
is
going
to
be
missing
in
both
instances.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
K
G
Is
that
different,
if
there
is
a
community
vote
without
a
taper
of
out,
if
they,
if
they
vote
to
form
a
district,
and
that's
the
only
question,
isn't
that
the
same
thing?
That
would
be
the
same
okay?
So
it's
it's
thirty
thousand
people
without
information
or
nine
people
without
information,
it's
the
same
problem
there.
Isn't
it?
Yes,
okay!
Thank
you.
I'm.
M
I
hear
two
different
things
from
what
Sam
said
and
what
you
said
previously
before
Sam
went
and
explained,
because
you
mentioned
that
the
district
could
be
created
by
the
county
if
the
city
apps
out,
meaning
that
we're
having
this
discussion
here.
If
we
decide
we
won't
go
at
it
by
resolution,
someone
can
bring
a
petition
and
have
the
city
do
it.
So
that
means
that
we've
we've
already
opted
out,
because
we've
decided
that
we're
not
going
to
participate
in
the
process
am
I,
correct.
K
There's
actually
a
formal
opt-out
that
takes
place
if
there's
a
petition.
So,
as
David
said,
when
the
petition
is
delivered,
it
has
to
have
a
boundary
drawing
so
that
boundary
presumably
would
include
Boulder
at
that
point
before
the
county
moves
that
to
an
election
or
forms
it
by
resolution.
There's
a
period
of
time
in
which
the
city
can
say,
we
don't
want
to
be
part
of
it.
K
M
M
K
K
What
we've
done
in
every
situation
is
go
ahead
and
draft
an
IgA
assuming
what
people
want
and
then
just
noting
in
there
all
of
the
negotiation
points.
That
would
then
come
to
you
as
the
City
Council,
and
you
would
change
the
terms.
However,
you
want
and
again
it's
an
it's
an
agreement
between
two
parties.
So
if
you
don't
sign
off
on
it,
it
doesn't
go
anywhere,
so
it
becomes
a
negotiation.
K
Everyone
I've
done
has
gone
much
more
quickly
than
I
expected
and,
like
I
said
earlier,
I've
always
worried
about
at
some
point.
Somebody's
gonna
say
we're
not
going
to
give
you
these
buildings
or
we're
not
gonna.
Listen
to
you,
which
is
okay.
Then
the
library
district
has
to
find
another
way
to
provide
the
libraries.
But
it's
just
never
happened
because
everyone
seems
to
be
on
board
to
to
make
the
libraries
better
for
everyone.
K
Right
now
we
have
a
situation
and
Southwest
La
Plata
down
by
Durango,
so
we
had
the
district
formed
and
funded
this
last
November.
The
libraries
are
in
the
schools,
so
the
school
district
and
the
county
were
the
forming
entities,
but
we
didn't
get
the
boundaries
figured
out
until
too
late
for
the
county
assessor
to
draw
the
maps
so
that
we
could
collect
our
taxes
of
this
year.
So
we're
working
on
an
IgA
right
now
where
the
school
district
is
going
to
go
ahead
and
fund
the
libraries,
as
it
always
has
through
2020,
then
2021.
K
A
I
call
on
mayor,
but
I
want
it
to
just
follow
up
on
the
question
that
David
us.
You
mentioned
that
you
draft
an
IgA
and
then
you
give
it
to
the
parties
and
then
they
start
negotiating.
So
it's
not
I
had
envisioned
until
then
that
the
parties
came
to
the
table
and
hashed
it
out.
It
doesn't
quite
work
that
way.
It's
like
you're
passing
paper
around
and
people
are
marking
it
up.
Yeah.
K
You
know
it
could
work
that
way,
but
it
would
be
so
hard
to
try
to
have
two
two
boards
negotiating
with
one
another.
So
there's
certainly
nothing
wrong
with
doing
that,
but
it's
just
in
my
experience.
It's
simpler
to
have
an
outline
of
here's.
What
we're
gonna
do
and
then
you
negotiate
the
deal
points
along
the
way
and
and
you're
done.
K
F
I'll,
give
you
in
just
second
but
the
so
to
the
so.
The
IGA
is
that's
something
that
then
doesn't
go
into
effect
until
we
sign
it
correct
correct,
and
so
we
would
approve
that
as
a
body
right.
Yes,
I,
guess
Bob
to
your
earlier
point
in
terms
of
we
would,
we
might
form
a
district
without
knowing
everything,
but
we
would
still
have
to
approve
the
details,
so
we
actually
would
have
I
believe
full
knowledge
before
we
finalize
that
9ga
yeah.
K
And
one
of
the
things
to
keep
in
mind
I'm
hearing
in
your
questions,
not
confusion,
but
you
really
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
once
the
library
district
board
is
formed,
it's
a
separate
government.
So
now,
if
it
wants
to
do
something,
it
needs
to
talk
to
you
and
you
have
to
agree
and
if
you
don't
agree,
it's
not
going
to
happen.
So
it's
separate,
you're,
separate
you're,
two
separate
entities
negotiating
a
contract
and
if
someone
doesn't
agree
with
a
point,
then
that's
not
going
to
work
that
way.
I'm.
G
G
F
K
N
I'm,
jumping
back
to
what
some
of
the
stuff
Sam
was
talking
about
and
I
think
you've
kind
of
answered
it.
But
the
way
my
brain
operates
I'm
just
confirming
here.
So
if
the
county
were
to
go,
create
a
district
and
we
opted
out,
you
said
something
about
overlaying,
so
Boulder
City
has
our
library,
and
now
the
county
has
one.
N
Two
options
here:
are
the
city
residents
getting
doubly
taxed
or
is
the
county
gonna
fall
apart
because
they
don't
have
a
tax
base
and
so
therefore
it
wouldn't
move
forward
the
ladder?
That's
what
I
thought
and
then
the
second
question
was:
let's
say:
county
creates
the
district
City
opsin.
Is
there
I
just
want
to
clarify
in
this
one
to
make
sure
I
understand.
Is
there
a
second
vote
for
City
County
residents
to
vote
on
the
increase
of
taxes
that
they
will
be
paying
to
fund
the
district?
There.
K
H
Rachel,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
follow
up
a
little
bit
or
in
invert
Mark's
question.
He
asked
what
can
go
wrong.
I'm
curious,
how
we
tee
it
up
to
best
go
smoothly
and
right
and,
as
a
voter,
I
think
I
understand
your
concern,
Bob
about
doing
a
resolution
without
having
the
IGA,
but
at
least
we
would
be
doing
the
resolution
and
entering
quickly
into
an
IgA
and
then
getting
that
information
in
front
of
voters.
H
So
nobody
would
be
really
taking
any
big
steps
without
knowing
the
numbers,
but
I
don't
know
that
I'm
as
just
myself
as
a
voter.
If
I
would
be
excited
to
have
this
really
blank
cryptic
question:
do
you
want
a
district
and
then
a
year
later,
do
you
want
to
fund
the
district
that
just
seems
a
bit
clunky
and
I?
Don't
really
know
what
I'm
voting
for
in
the
first
one
so
and
then
the
second
one
I
might
think
I
just
I
just
did
that
like?
H
K
I
have
a
firm
opinion
on
that
over
the
years.
The
the
smoothest
thing
and
I
think
this
is
for
you
to
decide,
but
I
think
it's
for
the
benefit
of
everybody
when
the
district
is
formed
by
resolution.
The
first
reason
is:
if,
if
the
county
approves
a
petition,
your
choice
now
is
to
opt
out
or
stay
in.
If
you
decide
to
form
by
resolution,
the
county
would
will
be
fine
with
that.
Kenny's
are
strong
on
library,
districts
and
it
doesn't,
it
barely
affects
them.
H
L
I
K
K
I
K
You're
certainly
not
prohibited
from
doing
that,
but
but
at
that
point
it
would
be
part
of
a
political
campaign
to
say
here's
what's
going
to
happen
if
you
vote
YES
for
the
funding
and
here's
what's
going
to
happen,
if
you
vote
no,
if
you
vote
no,
the
Library
District
is
as
though
it
never
existed.
If
you
vote
yes,
the
terms
of
this
IgA
will
be
implemented
and
it'll
carry
on
from
there.
Okay,
thank
you.
L
O
K
Rules
for
forming
the
initial
board
are
in
the
statutes.
Okay,
and
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
you
want
to
form
by
resolution
because
remember
the
petition
is
in
the
county's
hands.
The
establishing
entities
are
the
ones
that
choose
the
library
district
board.
In
that
case
it's
the
county
if
they
agree
to
form
by
resolution,
and
you
agree
to
form
by
two
to
join
in
with
them
to
form
by
resolution.
O
K
Yeah,
in
fact,
you're
required
to
come
up
with
some
rules
in
the
IGA
one
of
the
issues
with
a
residency.
You
could
certainly
have
a
residency
requirement,
but
oftentimes
entities
want
to
have
a
an
area.
You've
got
to
have
some
represented
from
here
and
represented
from
here.
There's
nothing
that
authorizes
that
in
the
statute,
but
we
have
written
into
agas
that
you
will
that
the
library
district
will
strive
to
have
a
representative
from
each
of
these
areas.
Gotcha.
O
A
I
have
a
follow-up
question
two
years
before
I
Colin,
Bob
and
exam,
which
has
the
to
your
question
about
the
rules
of
the
board,
is
if
the
city
goes
in
on
the
resolution
with
the
county
is
the
initial
you
said,
the
initial
board
is
ruled
by
statute
as
part
of
the
IGA.
Can
the
things
like
the
size
of
the
board
and
the
number
of
representatives
from
in
city
and
out
of
city
be
part
of
the
IGA.
K
The
size
of
the
board
is
either
5
or
7.
That's
set
by
statute
I've,
never
thought
about
whether
you
could
say
you
have
to
have
you
know
three
people
from
the
city
and
two
from
the
County
and
the
reason
that
I've
never
had
to
deal
with
it
is
because
generally
the
county
doesn't
care.
You
know
once
once
there
the
Library
District
is
established.
The
library
district
board
ends
up
really
working
hard
to
get
people
on
the
board
that
are
library,
supporters
and
then
presenting
them
to
whoever
is
going
to
do
the
appointments
and
the.
K
That
would
be
part
of
the
formation
resolution.
So
that's
what
I
was
saying
if,
if
the
petition
goes
to
the
county
and
the
county
forms,
the
county
would
now
be
the
establishing
entity
with
the
authority
to
appoint
the
board
where,
if
you
did
a
joint
resolution
with
the
county
in
the
city
to
form
the
entity
within
that
resolution,
you
could
agree
that
the
you
would
agree
that
the
city
is
going
to
be
part
of
that
appointment
process.
So
the
statute
says
that
the
establishing
entities
do
the
appointment
so.
A
G
Jim,
you
know,
we've
been
struggling
a
little
bit
with
this
question
of
what
the
the
deal
is.
I
guess
I'll
call
what
the
terms
are,
whether
nine
people
or
twelve
people-
that
would
be
nine
council
and
three
County
commissioners-
was
which
we
have
here
or
30,000
people
decide
that
some
some
combination
of
that
has
to
decide
either
an
election
or
through
some
sort
of
joint
resolution,
I
assume
getting
back
to
Aaron's
point
about
the
IgA
that,
because
these
are
the
city
assets,
the
city
is
gonna,
have
certain
terms.
Non-Negotiables
is
gonna,
say
we're.
G
G
If
we
took
this
establishing
question
to
the
voters,
in
other
words,
we
could
say
dear
voters,
do
you
want
a
district
and
by
the
way
here
are
the
terms
we
have
a
negotiating
IgA
because
there's
no
other
side
to
the
table,
but
we're
just
telling
you,
because
these
are
our
assets.
These
are
the
thieves
of
the
terms,
it's
gonna
be
leased,
property
and
it's
gonna
be
X
number
of
mils,
and
it's
gonna
be
this
and
this
and
this
we
can
basically
say
under
these
terms,
would
you
exist
right
right?
Yes,.
K
Okay,
it
either
way
it
becomes
part
of
your
political
campaign.
We
did
have
a
situation
in
Aurora
where
the
city
didn't
want
to
do
an
agreement.
Mm-Hmm
and
the
voters
shot
everything
down
because
they
didn't
I,
don't
wanna,
say
it
this
way,
but
half
different.
They
didn't
trust
the
city
to
to
abide
by
what
they
thought
was
going
to
happen.
Can.
G
You
elaborate
on
this
a
little
bit
more
access,
intriguing,
so
just
open
a
new,
so
the
city,
the
city,
established
some
terms.
Does
that
right,
correct
they
established
some
terms
and
then
the
establishment
vote
went
to
the
voters.
Yes
and
the
voters
voted
it
down,
voted
it
down.
Okay,
because
they
didn't
like
the
terms
of
Z
and
it
had
suggested
were
or
they
didn't
think
the
city
was
gonna,
follow
through
on
those
terms,
the
latter.
Okay,
thanks
and.
E
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
make
sure
I'm,
just
good,
so
I
had
always
thought
this
resolution
was
gonna,
be
a
City
resolution
saying
we're
willing
to
do
this,
but
it
sounds
like
it's
a
mutual
resolution,
so
the
city
in
the
county
each
have
the
same
resolution
and
the
terms
are
the
same
and
they
both
execute
this
resolution
together
they
jointly
execute
it
and
then
the
establishing
entities
determine
the
appropriate
boundaries.
So
in
that
resolution
the
boundaries
are
determined
by
the
city
in
the
county,
correct
establishing
it
by
resolution.
E
Yes,
and
then
then
we
establishing
entities
appoint
board.
Yes,
so
if
we
do
this
by
resolution,
the
city
and
county
appoint
the
board.
Yes,
so
can
we
in
that
establishing
resolution
dictate
that
the
city
appoints
all
the
board
members?
Yes,
okay,
so
that's
key
because
you
said
you
said
that
once
and
you
said
very
quietly
and
I
thought
I
heard
it
and
then
you
said
it
kind
of
again,
but
then
you
said
the
county
doesn't
care.
You
answered.
I
said.
E
You
repeated
what
he
said.
He
said
generally,
the
county
doesn't
care,
and
so
what
that
means
to
me
is
well.
We
wouldn't
just
leave
it
that
way.
You
know
that
it's
gonna
be
joint
city
and
county
and
that's
twelve
people,
and
how
is
that
gonna
work,
and
so
we
could
say,
because
these
are
city
assets
that
are
going
to
go
to
the
library
district,
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
appoint
the
board
members
and
then
going
forward.
K
K
If
you
are,
if
you
and
the
county
are
the
establishing
entities,
you
can
figure
out
the
process
by
which
you're
going
to
do
the
appointments,
so
you
can
certainly
agree
on
something
that
gives
the
city
really
control.
My
comment
about
the
counties
is
that
most
of
the
entities
we
have
have,
this
County
overlay
and
the
county
commissioners
really
don't
participate.
K
E
It
just
makes
me
uncomfortable
that
we
would
need
a
process.
I
mean
whether
it
was
we
all
vote.
Equally,
you
know
the
nine
City
Council
members
and
the
three
County
commissioners
to
approve
or
not
approve,
we
vote
as
a
body
or
if
it's
just
the
City
Council,
because
we
have
a
lot
more
skin
in
the
game.
E
K
When
we
formed
Fort
Collins,
we
had
the
county
commissioners
adopt
a
resolution
as
they
needed
to
because
was
going
outside
of
the
city,
and
then
we
had
the
city
adopt
a
resolution
rather
than
those
being
a
joint
resolution
or
the
same
resolution.
The
county
resolution
basically
said
we're
forming
the
entity
and
upon
approval
of
a
resolution
by
the
city.
It's
done
and
that
way
the
city
could
do
whatever
it
needed
to
in
its
resolution
and
the
county's
approval
was
effective
as
soon
as
the
city's
resolution
was
effect.
E
That
included
the
appointment,
so
what
I've
described
is
a
method
of
appointment
that
would
be
primarily
focused
on
the
City
Council
approving
appointments
to
the
board
and
if
the
county
wrote
that
blank
check
so
Larimer
County
wrote
a
blank
check
to
the
city
of
Fort
Collins
on
the
governance
structure
of
the
appointment
of
the
board.
Yes,
and
so
when
the
City
Council
of
Fort
Collins
wrote
whatever
they
wrote,
that
became
automatically
approved
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
Just.
A
E
Just
to
make
sure
that
we're
crystal
clear,
because
that
answer
is
important
to
me
so
any
board
appointment
made
by
the
board,
so
presumably
the
board
of
seven
say
somebody
terms
out
or
resigns
for
some
reason.
The
remaining
board
members
would
appoint
the
replacement
subject:
approval
by
the
establishing
entities
and
if
the
establishing
the
entities
had
said
City
Council
will
make
the
approval,
then
any
future
board
member
appointed
by
the
district
board
would
need
to
be
approved
by
the
City
Council,
correct.
Okay,
thank
you
and.
K
E
Your
suggestion,
if
I
heard
your
what
is
commonly
done,
is
that
library
boards
are
filling
a
vacancy
on
their
board,
the
the
districts
they
make
a
nomination
to
the
establishing
entity
board,
which
could
be
the
City
Council
in
this
case
and
the
City
Council
approves
or
doesn't,
or
they
they
select.
If
they
nominate
three
for
one
seat,
the
City
Council
can
then
select
one
of
the
three
for
that
vacancy
correct.
F
K
M
I,
don't
have
three
questions
for
you,
because
we're
talking
we're
still
talking
about
establishing
entity
and
I
wanted
to
hear
from
you
whether
you
think
this
is
something
that
the
right
now
you're
speaking
with
us
when
it
comes
to
establishing,
but
is
this?
Is
this
something
that
the
city,
commissioners,
even
considering.
K
K
M
K
We
have
passed
them
mm-hmm,
it's
just
so
much
more
difficult
because
again,
nobody
really
knows
what
you're
voting
on
other
than
some
funding
and
something
to
do
with
libraries.
So
in
my
belief,
it's
much
better
to
get
all
of
that
pinned
down
or
at
least
close
to
pinned
down
ahead
of
time
so
that
you
know
what's
going
on.
You
know
how
the
appointments
are
going
to
go.
K
The
county
knows
the
library
board
knows
what's
going
to
happen,
and
then
you
also
have
a
library
district
board
at
that
point,
who
can
go
out
and
promote
and
run
the
election?
So
otherwise
it's
going
to
be
run
by
the
establishing
entities
and
the
people
with
the
most
invested.
Are
those
library
board
people
and.
M
K
H
H
P
A
G
Want
to
continue
the
cross-examination
of
him.
Kim
are
the
boundary
if
a
district
is
formed
by
resolution
in
response
to
a
petition
are
the
boundaries
established
by
the
petitioners
or
by
the
resolution
parties
they
should
be
established
by
the
petition.
So
the
petition
establishes
the
boundaries
and
the
resolution
parties
basically
accept
those
boundaries
or
don't
pass
the
resolution.
They
can't
change
those.
K
G
J
J
G
J
30
days,
so
what
the
statute
says
is
that
the
petitioner
committee
has
to
submit
their
petition
at
least
90
days
before
a
tabor
election
about
that
pardon,
so
the
county
commissioners,
typically
you're,
gonna,
put
that
on
the
ballot
sometime
in
the
month
of
August
and
whatever
date
they
set
for.
Considering
that
item
subtract
30
days,
and
it
has
to
be
before
that
yeah,
it's
not
the
most
before.
G
G
G
K
And
what
but
David's
saying
is
true:
I
think
everyone
we've
ever
done.
That
notice
comes
out
with
the
notice
that
a
petition
has
been
filed.
So
there's
it's
not
a
it's
not
a
fixed
period
of
time.
It
is
in
the
way
the
statute
is
written,
but
really,
if
you
opt
out
early
you're
out,
it's
okay,
I,
don't
understand.
K
G
I
Just
a
quick
hypothetical
we
established
this,
the
the
taxation
is
passed.
Then
it
turns
out
to
be
inadequate.
Ten
years
from
now,
we
mere
passengers
on
the
bus,
as
the
library
district
goes
out
for
additional
funding.
Do
we
have
any
input
to
that
or
if
they
want
to
double
or
triple
the
the
middle
of
EoE,
just
kind
of
waving
at
them
and
going
have.
G
K
In
the
statute-
and
you
can
appoint,
but
you
cannot
remove
yeah,
it
has
to
be
for
cause.
Okay
and
cause
is
defined
in
two
ways.
One
is
within
the
library
trustees
own
bylaws,
but
the
recent
high-plains
case
we
did
in
the
court
of
appeals
established
that
cause
as
defined
in
color
out
of
law.
A
B
is
also.
G
G
Laws
which
are
established
by
the
resolution
of
the
established
entity
could
be
established
by
so,
even
though
you
can't
remove
a
trustee,
you
could
say
that
all
the
terms
are
one
year,
for
example,
and
and
then
and
then
you'll,
never
more
than
364
days
away
from
not
reappointing
somebody's
eye
right.
Okay,
you
probably.
L
P
Mary
and
hopefully
you
guys
have
less
questions
for
me.
We
they're
all
great
wanted
to
provide
some
financial
context
to
the
discussion
as
well.
So
as
you
think
about
formation
and
options,
we
wanted
to
run
through
kind
of
what
the
total
cost
of
a
library
system
is
what
that
means
for
a
property
owner
and
the
type
of
revenue
that
may
be
raised
from
a
district.
So
in
doing
this,
there's
a
few
assumptions
that
I
wanted
to
just
get
clear.
P
I
mean
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
scenarios,
but
for
the
purpose
of
this
analysis,
our
assumption
is
that
the
city
of
boulders,
dedicated
0.33,
mils
to
the
library
is
eliminated
and
then
for
the
purpose
of
the
discussion.
We
are
also
using
a
similar
mill
rate
that
the
library
champions
are
using
so
that
you
can
hopefully
see
similar
numbers
between
the
two
at
3.85
again
moving
target
I
do
want
to
say
that,
as
Tonya
mentioned,
we
have
updated
the
property
tax
since
2018.
You
know
we
had
a
reassess
year
and
we
have
a
different
residential
rate.
P
There's
administrative
overhead
that
costs
the
district
or
cost
the
library
service,
and
this
is
really
related
to
Communication
Service
legal
service
finance
risk
HR
that
is
currently
provided
by
the
general
fund
and
so
that
isn't
really
included
in
their
budget
per
se.
When
you
look
at
their
budget,
but
it
is
what
we
call
an
indirect
cost.
So,
on
average
we
look
at
the
total
cost
of
a
library
service
to
be
close
to
16
million,
which
really
aligns
with
some
of
the
materials
that
the
library
champions
have
been
estimating
at
just
over
16
million
dollars.
P
P
This
one
also
does
receive
donations
and
some
grants
to
comprise
that
1.5
million
dollars,
the
remaining
portion
or
the
you
know,
80%
of
the
funding,
is
from
the
general
fund
and
just
as
a
reminder,
the
general
fund
is
comprised
of
sales,
tax,
property,
tax,
kind
of
other
taxes
and
then
other
fees
for
service,
and
so
I
just
provided
the
breakdown.
So
you
can
see
how
the
general
fund
is
allocated
in
that
7.5
million
dollars.
P
This
is
a
proposed
kind
of
service
boundary
map
that
we
showed
in
2018
the
red
line
of
being
the
city
of
Boulder,
and
then
the
little
dots
are
actually
patron
counts
again
2018.
But
we
estimate
that
we
capture
about
63
to
65
percent
of
patrons
within
the
red
boundary
or
the
city
limits.
When
you
expand
out
the
black
boundaries,
which
is
the
proposed
boundary
line
for
the
district,
you
capture
upwards
of
85
percent
of
the
patrons
within
that
black
line.
Actually.
Q
G
Q
Q
These
are
active.
What
we
refer
to
as
active
library
card
users,
that
was
data
from
2018
or
late
2017,
I
think
so
we
get
about
13,000
new
cardholders
per
year.
We
probably
drop
around
eight
to
nine
thousand
card
holders
per
you
of
people
who've
either
left
town
or
university
students
who
are
no
longer
active,
and
so
we
just
plead
their
cards.
A
H
Q
Well,
there
were
a
lot
of
people
who
were
involved
in
making
this
map,
and
the
critical
thing
was
that
the
county
told
us
that
we
had
to
draw
the
map
along
voting
precincts,
and
so
some
of
the
voting
precincts
that
you
see
to
the
west
don't
have
a
lot
of
that
really
is
empty
space.
There's
nobody
living
there
there's
it
could
be
open
space,
but
it
aligns
with,
in
some
cases
very
large
and
oddly
shaped
voting
precincts.
E
P
That
is
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan
boundaries,
it's
difficult
because
these
don't
fall
within
voting
precinct
lines.
So
it's
hard
to
kind
of
say
how
many
voters
it
captures.
So
that's
why
we're
really
focused
on
both
city
of
Boulder
and
then
the
outside
extended
area
all
right.
Thank
you
yep.
So
that
then
translates
to
this
next
slide.
That
has
the
three
different
service
area
lines
again
updated,
assessed,
values.
E
Quick
question
so
80%
what
so
the
expanded
service
area
being
the
proposed
district
boundaries
and
city
boulder
city
limits,
so
80
percent
of
evaluation
is
in
the
city
of
Boulder
city
limits,
but
only
65
percent
of
people
served
just
making
sure
that
we
have
those
things
separated.
So
two
thirds
of
the
people
served
are
within
the
boundaries,
but
80
percent
of
the
valuation
is
within
the
boundaries.
Thank
you.
P
All
right,
so
what
this
means
then,
for
property
tax,
our
property
owners,
if
you
assume
a
3.85
mill
rate
on
a
850
thousand
dollar
home,
which
is
about
the
average
within
the
city
of
Boulder
limits,
the
increase
to
your
property
tax
bill
would
be
two
hundred
and
thirty-four
dollars
on
a
commercial
property.
It's
much
higher
at
you
know.
Nine
hundred
forty
nine
dollars
a
year
again
backing
out
that
point.
Three
three
mils
you'll
see
that
there
will
be
a
small
decrease,
both
residential
and
commercial,
so
twenty
dollars
and
eighty
two
respectively.
E
Great
I
would
like
to
bookmark
for
later
so
not
tonight,
not
the
answer.
I
mean
looks
like
one
figure
of
Merit
that
you
could
use
is
dollars
per
library,
patrons
served
and
revenue
dollars
for
library
patrons
served,
and
it
looks
like
that's
different
inside
and
outside
the
city
limit.
I'd
just
be
curious
to
know
that
number
later
yeah
and
another
quick
question
is
the
entire
difference
between
the
two
hundred
thirty-four
dollars
and
the
$949.
The
Gallagher
amendment.
P
I
G
Another
data
request:
could
you
I
know
you
can
have
to
make
a
few
assumptions
to
get
here,
for
this
would
be
really
really
helpful
because
we
were
talking
about
the
value
of
the
building
but,
of
course,
many
of
our
commercial
establishments
or
tenants
who
pay
property
tax
on
a
pass-through
basis
triple
net
from
their
landlord.
G
Could
you
maybe
do
a
back
the
envelope
and
you
vet
could
probably
help
you
with
this
because
they're
doing
a
retail
study
and
they
know
how
much
average
rents
are
an
average
tax,
pass-through,
czar
and
so
and
so
forth.
Could
you
reflect
that
nine
hundred
and
forty
nine
dollars
as
a
percentage
increase?
G
Obviously
you
have
to
use
some
averages
and
maybe
different
parts
that
have
different,
but
just
you
know,
are
we
talking
about
a
a
one
percent
increase
on
the
average
tenant
or
a
three
percent
you
know:
are
they
paying
twelve
dollars
in
tax
now
they're
gonna
pay,
$14
two
foot
in
tax
was
something
like
that.
Well,
however,
you
want
to
portray
it,
but
getting
back
to
Mark's
point
like
so
we
can
understand
what
is
that
nine
to
two,
a
typical
retail
or
a
commercial
tenant?
Sure
thanks.
P
All
right
so
we've
showed
this
chart
to
but
wanted
to
highlight.
If
you
add
in
three
point,
eight
five
mills,
but
back
out
the
city
is
0.33
kind
of
where
does
Boulder
stand,
and
so
you'll
notice
on
the
third
to
the
left
is
Boulder
as
it
is
currently
and
so
our
total
mill
rate,
the
orange
being
kind
of
more
of
our
county
or
School
District
mill
rates
and
then
the
blue
being
what
we're
calling
municipal
services.
So
it
could
either
be
in
the
form
of
a
district
or
the
city.
P
Boulder
ranks
about
third
in
our
comparable
cities.
If
you
do
a
library
district
at
three
point,
eight
five
or
you
know
even
increase
it
within
our
own
city
budget.
It
moves
kind
of
in
between
now
Louisville
and
Fort
Collins
and
then
again
backing
out
the
county,
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
control
over
those
ones.
It
ranks
about
third
lowest
for
municipal
types
of
service,
up
to
the
fifth
lowest
giselle.
So.
E
I
have
a
request
here
as
we
go
forward
and
look:
could
you
rank
fees
as
opposed
to
total
Mills
just
take
out
the
school
district
and
just
look
at
municipal
services
piece
and
what's
our
mill
levy,
cap,
I'm
pen,
remember.
L
E
Our
cap
is
13.
Thank
you.
G
G
Know
you're
gonna
show
us
sales
tax
in
a
second,
but
when
you
come
back
on
March
17th,
can
you
blend
those
two
together
to
talk
about
total
tax
burden?
Again
you'll
have
to
make
some
assumptions
about
average
families
spend
but
I
think
you've
done
that
for
us
before,
because
in
some
instances
were
like,
you
know,
third
place
on
property
taxes
on
place,
we're
like
on
second
place
on
sales
tax,
but
when
you
slam
them
together,
we're
kind
of
like
in
first
place
for
total
tax
burden.
A
So
kind
of
to
add
to
that
last
week
for
the
budget
strategy
meeting,
you
provided
a
great
report
that
broke
out
different
state
taxes
by
income
levels.
Would
it
be
possible
to
do
something
like
that?
We're
just
the
city
of.
L
P
So
before
you
go,
spend
all
the
money
in
one
place
just
wanted
to
remind
council
members
of
conversations
that
we
had
last
April
so
again,
depending
on
a
library
district
structure,
the
general
fund
savings-
or
you
know,
access
kind
of
capacity
is
about
7
million
or
7.5
million
dollars.
I
think
you
heard
Kim
mention
that
there
are
choices
and,
for
example,
Poudre
Valley
pays
for
the
administrative
overhead.
So
if
you
kept
all
of
the
same
systems,
we
used.
What
our
you
know.
Administrative
cost
was
that
you
saw
in
the
early
pie.
P
Charts
of
3.4
could
be
potential
revenue
either
in
the
short
term
or
as
an
ongoing
concept,
and
then
just
you
know
we
we
do
know
that
we
have
identified
needs
that
don't
have
funding
sources
right
now.
That
council
has
set
our
priorities.
I
have
come
out
of
master
plans,
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
little
plug
in
there
as
you're
thinking
about
potential
options.
So.
E
E
P
E
E
It
in
two
types
I
mean
say
that
we
only
save
half
of
that
because
of
economies
of
scale.
That
still
looks
to
me
like
12,
plus
1.5,
so
thirteen
and
a
half
million
would
be
the
savings
so
I'm
just
trying
to
track
sure
cuz,
you
said
seven
and
a
half
plus
we
might
make
some
money
if
they
paid
us
to
do
stuff.
But
it
looks
to
me
like
the
any
potential
future
payments
out.
Savings
should
be
more
in
the
13
million
dollar
range.
I.
Think.
P
F
You
so
and
to
drill
into
the
administrative
overhead
services,
so
one
potential
outcome.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here
would
be
that
the
city
continues
doing
all
of
the
administrative
overhead
things
like
HR.
You
know
the
those
kind
of
IT
that
kind
of
stuff
right,
so
things
that
are
currently
kind
of
buried
in
the
city
budget
and
spread
across
the
entire
organization,
so
that
one
potential
outcome
would
be
that
the
city
still
provides
all
of
those
services.
F
G
Yeah,
just
gonna
continue
on
this
strange,
so
you
showed
us
the
slide.
That
says
the
city
is
all
in
cost
of
the
libraries
about
sixteen
million
dollars
right
taxpayers
are
kicking
in
sixty.
However,
you
budget
in
allocating
it's
costing
the
taxpayer
sixteen
million
dollars
to
run
our
library
and
I
think
you
showed
us
using
a
3.85
mill
levy
that
just
folks
in
the
city
boundaries
just
for
a
second
that
would
generate
about
sixteen
million
dollars.
That's
correct!
Maybe
that's
a
coincidence!
G
Maybe
that's
not
and
and
so
I
get
the
fact
that
if
we
expand
our
service
boundaries
and
tax,
those
people
who
are
not
being
taxed,
it
could
be
as
much
as
18
or
20
million
dollars,
which
is
kind
of
the
gravy
but
kind
of
beg.
The
question
of
like
what's
happening
here.
In
other
words,
the
tax
payers
are
paying
16
million
dollars
and
then
gonna
get
a
3.85
mill
levy
increase.
Assuming
we
don't
do
any
D
decreases
in
the
budget
for
the
libraries
still
gonna
be
16
million
dollars.
G
P
G
Studying
inside
the
expansion
of
the
district,
which
I,
maybe
that's
the
whole
purpose
here,
I'm
not
too
sure
it's,
basically,
the
taxpayers
are
getting
to
get
a
tax
increase,
but
they're
gonna
get
the
same
funding
for
the
same
library
buildings
as
they're
getting
right
now,
they're
gonna
get
sixteen
million
dollars
worth
of
library
every
year.
If
the
boundaries
of
the
district
were
simply
the
city,
is
that
305
is
that
right,
yeah.
P
G
If
the
district
was
was
just
the
city
bonds,
again,
let's
go
with
that
and
they
generated
sixteen
million
dollars.
They
could
kind
of
do
kind
of
what
we're
doing,
which
is
operate,
the
library
for
9.1
they
pay
somebody
themselves
or
us,
or
somebody
3.4
for
overhead
and
they'd
spend
3.3
million
dollars
on
facilities.
Maintenance,
capital
right
would.
G
They
couldn't
spend
more
like
if
we
wanted
to
spend
7
million
dollars
next
year.
We
could
and
I
couldn't
because
they
only
got
16
million
coming
in
per
year,
again
I'm
I'm,
forgetting
about
the
the
Nahuatl
and
Gunbarrel
second
cuz.
Maybe
that's
the
goal
here
is
just
to
pull
those
people
in
and
get
an
extra
two
to
four
million
dollars
for
the
library.
But
it
seems
to
me
like
16,
in
16
out
kind
of
a
wash
okay
can
connect.
Q
We
have,
and
we
have
no
boat
coming
up
this
year,
so
I,
don't
what
is
the
number
eight
million
dollars
that
are
in
capital
expenses
for
this
year?
I
guess
I
mean
I
I.
Think
I
also
want
to
just
I
can't
speak
entirely
for
the
library
champions,
but
there's
no
scenario
where
the
library
champions
are
proposing
that
a
district
library
be
the
boundaries
that
are
the
city.
That
was
merely
something
that
we
did
in
the
master
plan
to
show
council
what
it
would
cost
and
the
cost
is
the
same.
G
G
Other
words
is
under
the
expanded
boundary
is
gonna
bring
in
about
20
million
dollars,
so
the
the
library
will
have
4
million
more
at
its
disposal
than
it
does
now,
as
assuming
that
3
million
dollars
is
a
good
number
and
but
the
Boulder
taxpayers
got
to
pay
more
in
order
to
extract
that
extra
money
from
the
county
residents.
Yeah.
Q
G
Q
G
F
If
I
I
think,
potentially,
though,
with
that
outcome,
we
would
then
have
other
revenue
to
support
other
city
services
right.
So
so
the
the
it's
not
like
the
the
money
would
go
away
and
be
double
taxed
and
not
you
would
have
that
available
and
we
could
conceivably
lower
other
taxes
if
we
wanted
to
to
reduce
the
tax
burden
or
we
could
improve
other
cities.
Yeah.
G
I
understand
that,
but
it
felt
like
we
were
paying
sixteen
to
get
seven
and
a
half
yeah.
That's
why
I
think
we
were
all
struggling
with
that
mouth,
which
is
Boulder
Boulder
residents
and
businesses.
Taxes
will
go
up
in
the
aggregate
by
sixteen
million
dollars
as
part
of
a
larger
district,
but
I
think
KT
conservatively
said,
but
only
count
on
seven
and
a
half
as
the
net
windfall.
So
some
some
a
tap
nine
dollars
went
away
somewhere
well.
F
So
so
I
think
if
you
took
the
the
net
additional
burden
to
Boulder
taxpayers
of,
is
it
sixteen
million
dollars
I'm
losing
a
little
bit
saved?
Sixteen
million
dollars
that
that
approximately
nine
million
of
that
would
be
the
money
that
Boulder
taxpayers
are
already
paying
to
support
the
day-to-day
operating
of
the
library
and
then
there
would
be
seven
to
ten
million
additional
dollars
to
be
used
that
could
be
used
for
other
city
services.
So.
E
In
other
words,
if
I'm
tracking
you
correctly
the
Boulder
taxpayers,
taxes
are
going
to
go
up
to
pay
for
part
of
the
services
they
already
have
an
already
paying
for
and
they're
going
to
continue
paying
into
the
city
fund,
the
general
fund,
which
will
be
used
for
something
else,
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day.
These
is
a
tax
increase,
and
that's
what
that
is
saying.
E
However,
you
parse
it
out
correct
the
tax
increase
and
it's
tax
increase,
probably
disproportionately
on
the
city
of
Boulder
residents
for
sure
the
businesses,
and
so
that's
what
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
from
an
equity
perspective.
Is
the
businesses
who
likely
don't
use
library
very
much?
Their
increase
is
going
to
be
much
more
than
the
residential
who
presumably
do
use
the
library.
B
Did
you
wouldn't
say
something
thanks
Mary,
so
I
just
want
to
jump
in
here.
This
is
a
very
valuable
conversation
to
help
us
frame
information
coming
back
on
March,
17th
I.
Think
what
I'm
hearing
is
give
give
counsel
more
clarity
of
what
that
net
increase
in
the
budget
is
and
how
that
aligns
to
the
master
plan.
That
is
information
we
presented
last
year.
In
the
spirit
of
time
we
didn't
add
that
so
that
will
be
an
easy
add
to
this
conversation,
which
will
include
expansion
services
to
gun
barrel
Niwot.
B
M
Appreciate
Bob's
comment
about
the
rent,
those
commercial
you
know
who
pay
rent
I,
think
that's
very
important
when
we
think
of
equity,
but
I
think
I
needed
some
clarification
on
the
taxes,
because,
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
Bob
he's
saying
several
times
that
taxes
will
be
doubled
and
I
think
we
would
need
some
clarification.
What
does
that
really
mean?
Or
is
there
phase-out
time?
Q
The
taxes
wouldn't
double
and
I
think
Katie
showed
a
chart
so
and
then
Bob
asked
the
question:
I
believe
that
the
property
tax
increased.
Now
it
depends
upon
where
you
live
in
the
city,
it's
somewhere
between
three
and
four
percent.
Three
and
four
percent
applies
across
residential
and
business
interests
that
to
you
to
the
city
of
Boulder.
Q
H
I'm
gonna
ask
my
question
real
quick,
which
is,
and
it
piggybacks
really
on
what
David
just
said.
Do
we
want
to
look
at
a
corresponding
mill
reduction?
Basically,
I
mean
if
we're
we're
gaining
16
million
and
we're
already
collecting
16
million.
Do
we
look
at
producing
plug
your
ears
Katie
on
that
one?
Sorry
Tanya
to
you,
but
I
think
it's
worth
discussing
yeah.
P
I
think
that's
absolutely.
The
policy
decision
that
you
have
and
and
again
I
would
be
cautious
to
say
that
you'd
have
16
million
that
you'd
free
up
so
I
mean
just
for
a
more
order
of
magnitude
right
if
you
were
to
reduce
the
city's
gonna
levy,
the
0.33
and
then
make
it
one
nil
right.
So
another
point
666
for
the
general
fund:
that's
2.7
million
dollars
less
annually
and
what
we're
trying
to
say
is
it
totally
policy
decision?
P
I
Q
We
we
did
do
a
poll
last
year
in
March,
May
I
would
say
no
longer
valid,
but
the
there
was
no
statistically
significant
difference
in
the
support
for
those
people
in
unincorporated,
Boulder
County
than
there
was
no
that
in
the
city
of
Boulder-
and
there
was
I
mean
interestingly
enough
and
I
wish.
I
could
explain
it,
but
the
question
of
businesses
have
come
up
and
those
people
who
self-identified
as
business
owners
by
a
statistically
significant
margin,
favored
it
more
than
the
overall
population
I
wish.
Q
O
O
P
L
E
Yeah,
so
it
looks
to
me
just
City,
Boulder
City
Limits
here
that,
roughly
speaking,
the
residential
assessed
value
is
the
same
as
non-residential
assessed
value,
but
that's
not
correct,
because
the
underlying
values
are
assessed
at
a
different
rate.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
so
the
assessed
values
at
1.9
2.1
so
forget
her.
The
next
slide,
then
what
the
change
means
now
this
is
just
the
Delta.
E
If
we
do
library
district
is
that
residents
of
$850,000
will
pay
two
hundred
and
thirty
four
dollars
more
and
an
$850,000
commercial
building
will
pay
nine
hundred
and
forty
nine
dollars.
More
so
David
said
the
increase
for
both
residential
and
commercial
and
their
tax
bill
will
be
three
or
four
percent.
It
would
be
roughly
the
same.
Is
that
correct
it'll
be
roughly
three
or
four
percent,
but
the
dollar
amount
will
be
a
lot
higher.
That's.
E
E
G
We
on
to
be
clear:
this
is
not
my
question
but
just
to
build
on
that.
The
three
or
four
percent
includes
the
school
district
tax,
the
county
tax,
all
taxes,
if
you're
just
comparing
it
to
city
tax,
it's
a
30%
increase,
not
a
three
or
four
percent
increase.
We
went
from
12
Mills
to
15
and
a
half
miles.
My
question
is
I
know
you
did
read
your
slides
ahead
of
time.
So
I
know
you
have
a
couple
of
packs
of
pocket.
G
Slides
and
I
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
about
those,
because
it's
I
seem
to
recall
and
I
think
you
could
tell
us.
We
did
increase
the
library,
funding
and
I
think
in
the
last
two
years,
Matt
to
move
it
closer
from
baseline
to
I
came
up
with
the
words
from
maintain
to
meet.
Is
that
right?
So
that
was
yeah.
P
So
this
is
kind
of
the
what
we
showed
during
the
budget
process
us
in
2019
year
added
over.
You
know
close
to
$800,000
to
the
library
budget
that
really
pushed
achieved.
A
lot
of
their
maintain
pushed
slightly
into
meet
community
demand
in
2020
a
little
bit
smaller
increase.
Knowing
that
a
majority
of
the
meet
community
demand
is
in
the
North
Boulder
operating,
and
so
what
we
do
have
planned
for
2021
and
our
fund
financial
is
an
additional,
almost
two
million
dollars
for
nuovo
operating.
That.
G
P
G
Pointing
so
are
we
gonna
have
a
discussion
at
some
point
time,
either
tonight
or
March
17th
about
alternative
who
I
mean
we're
kind
of
getting
up
into
that,
like
gray
area,
alternative
ways
to
fund
the
library,
if
we
were
not
to
form
a
district
I
mean.
Is
that
a
worthy
discussion
to
have
at
some
point
in
time,
I
think.
G
Everyone
would
be
interested
in
having
that
discussion.
I
mean
if
there
was
a
way
to
fund
the
library
adequately.
I
know
where
we're
right
there,
but
if
people
want
it
to
be
farther
towards
full-on,
the
gas
tank
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing,
if
there's
a
way
to
do
it
without
raising
taxes
as
significantly
as
what's
being
proposed,
I
think.
P
Just
to
be
clear,
because
this
is
based
upon
the
library
master
plan
and
not
the
bomb
kind
of
analysis.
What
what
we
do
miss
here
is
again
that
backlog
issue,
and
so
we
can
kind
of
adjust
the
numbers
to
make
sure
you're
crystal
clear
how
much
more
it
would
take
to
what
we
call
adequately
fund
or
in
a
sustainable
fashion.
Just.
P
A
A
P
L
E
Just
like
20
you're,
also
in
the
back
pocket
yeah.
So
this
is
great.
Thank
you
for
this
breakdown.
This
is
really
helpful,
so
you
add
up
the
you're,
the
building's
leaving
the
land
out
of
its
about
twenty
million
dollars
and
you
throw
in
the
art
collection.
So
what
is
the
value
of
the
collection
itself,
not
the
art
collection,
but
the
books
and,
like
you,
don't
have
to
answer
now?
It's.
L
L
E
You
know
so
here
we
have
the
building,
presumably
the
collection
will
go
as
well.
If
we
have
a
district
that
would
all
wouldn't
make
any
sense
not
to
do
everything,
so
it
seems
like
what's
missing
here.
We'd
like
to
see
in
the
future
would
be
what's
the
value
of
the
collection
itself
or
thank
tweak.
P
P
H
To
Bob's
question
and
obviously
I'm
new
here,
but
I
would
assume
that
we
looked
at
that
or
that
the
champion's
looked
at
that,
oh,
that
the
library
master
plan
looked
at
at
what
our
options
were
before
we
went
into
forming
a
district.
You
know
how
else
could
we
get
to
the
higher
level
on
the
call
it
the
gas
tank?
The
meter,
if.
Q
Notion,
I
believe
that
the
library
champions
arrived
at
the
3.85,
with
the
intent
to
fully
fund
the
entire
master
plan,
so
that
was
their
goal
from
the
beginning.
They
were
like.
Why
would
we
do
a
library
district
without
it,
including
the
best
library
they
could
have
I
I
mean
we'd,
have
to
ask
them
precisely.
Why
so.
H
I
think
I'm
asking
a
little
bit
of
a
different
question
and
maybe
I
misunderstood
Bob's,
but
I'm
wondering
why
did
we
get
to
district
rather
than
how
else
could
we
fund
this
so
I
heard
Bob
to
ask
sort
of
if
we
don't
do
a
district?
How
else
can
we
get
to
this?
You
know
gold
standard
and
so
I'm
wondering
did.
Was
that
discussion
not
had
sure.
P
P
So
you
could
see
at
different
levels
what
it
would
take
for
city
funding,
either
reducing
it
increasing
sales,
tax,
increasing
property
tax
at
combination
and
so
George
Kabam
did
look
through
all
of
that
in
addition
to
looking
at
the
district
and
what
we
have
chosen
through,
the
budget
process
is
to
incrementally
fund
some
of
those
opportunities
without
raising
taxes
and
having
that
discussion.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
Tanya
yeah.
B
But
what's
the
solution
in
context
of
all
the
city
needs
and
that's
the
feedback
that
we've
received
from
staff
from
council
members
to
staff
just
on
how
the
master
plans
are
presented
and
how
we
may
be
looking
at
a
lens
of
a
financial
strategy,
they
feel
very
one-off.
So
how
do
we
balance
all
those
needs,
and
especially
in
this
case,
looking
at
the
general
fund.
A
Thank
You,
Tanya
and
yeah
I
was
just
gonna,
make
a
comment
to
the
council
that
we
were
going
down
the
rabbit
hole
of
tunnel
vision
again
talking
about
funding
this
at
the
gold
plate
standard
without
considering
all
of
the
other
needs,
and
that's
exactly
what
the
budget
strategy
committee
is
trying
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
do
that
without
every
time
we
have
something
in
front
of
us.
That's
what
we
want
to
do
full
throttle,
and
it
says
it
in
trouble.
Aaron.
A
We
always
it's
my
understanding
and
and
I'll
look
to
staff
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
it's
my
understanding
that
every
time
we
pass
a
master
plan,
we're
passing
it
at
the
vision
level,
which
means
that
we
are
accumulating
these
unfunded
needs,
which
is
why
another
reason
why
we're
having
this
but
strategy
discussion
is
we
keep
just
getting
everything
further
and
further
out
of
reach.
I.
B
Can
I
respond
to
that
quick,
so
I
think
we
also
accept
master
plans.
That
does
not
mean
we're
budgeting
for
the
master
plan,
and
so
sometimes
we
get
caught
up
in
accepting
and
budgeting
at
the
same
time,
and
so
they
they
are
very
distinct.
We
are
looking
at
how
do
we
almost
II
couple
those
processes
but
then
also
acknowledge
that
there
are
true
budgetary
needs
within
the
master
plan
process,
so
we
will
be
following
up
with
counsel,
with
more
information
on
progress.
B
Staff
has
made
in
this
space,
specifically
our
planning
department,
in
partnership
with
finance
later
this
year,
because
that's
a
conversation
that
the
financial
strategy
committee
has
brought
up
and
it's
really
a
symbol
of
where
we're
at
right
now,
in
this
conversation
as
well
to
knowledge,
I,
don't
believe
that
we
ever
ever
fully
achieved
a
master
plan
vision
by
the
time.
The
next
master
plan
is
started.
F
I
think
I
was
in
there,
so
just
from
a
process
perspective
just
to
press
this
check
in
right.
So
so
we're
not
going
to
do
a
whole
lot
of
extra
pining
tonight
right.
The
the
is
that
correct
that
March
17th
is
when
we're
really
digging
into
hey.
What
should
we
do
and
I'm
a
question
so
then
Bob
to
come
to
your
point.
F
That
would
be
when
we'd
have
a
discussion
about
what
are
our
alternatives
right
so
and
I
guess
that
that
would
be
and
I'll
just
throw
out
that,
like
so,
for
example,
on
alternatives
like
we
could
raise
other
taxes,
we
could
decrease
funding
from
other
programs
right.
That
would
be
a
possibility
I
just
what
just
want
to
get
out,
as
as
we
get
in
go
towards
March
17th.
F
When
we'll
have
this
thorough
discussion,
just
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
with
the
district
that
we
would
be
more
or
less
matching
the
taxing
base
with
the
patrons
of
the
library
and
that
you
of
itself
would
realize
additional
revenue
from
people
who
currently
use
the
library
that
are
not
currently
contributing
to
the
funding,
and
if
we
feel
that
the
the
tax
amount
is
too
large,
we
could
form
the
district.
Have
it
passed
a
tax
increase
and
we
could
lower
our
other
taxes.
F
So
I'll
just
put
that
out
there
that
that
having
if
we
feel
like
this
is
too
much
extra
tax
burden,
that
doesn't
mean
the
district
is
the
wrong
way
to
go.
We
could
form
the
district
and
then
lower
city
taxes
correspondingly,
if
we
felt
like
that
was
the
better
alternative,
so
I
just
want
to
put
up
that's
one
of
our
possibilities
out
there.
E
E
Twenty-One
so
we
will
drop
back
down
and
move
more
into
the
middle
of
the
pack
when
that
expires,
I
must
be
decide
to
extend
it
again,
right,
okay
and
our
so
we're
eight
point,
six
something
eight
point:
eight
four:
five
right
now
with
the
community
culture
and
safety
tax.
If
I
read
your
it's
twenty
three,
there
yeah,
okay,
there
we
go
and
what's
our
limit,
we.
A
N
P
G
G
And
so
we
we
hired
the
library
hired
a
pollster,
and
there
was
actually
a
polling
committee
that
consisted
of
Johnnie
Teeter,
who
was
on
the
library,
had
been
on
the
library,
Commission
and
Lisa
Roselle,
and
me
we
helped.
We
work
with
the
consultant
to
put
together
some
questions
and
then
they
pulled
data
is
statistically
available.
I
just
want
to
rattle
off
some
of
the
some
of
the
results
from
that
poll,
and
this
does
lead
to
a
request
for
information,
so
72%
of
the
respondents
that
they
were
not
following
this
discussion.
G
Maybe
more
are
now
but
back
then
72%.
We're
now,
following
77%
of
our
community,
did
say
that
they
supported
some
sort
of
increased
in
funding
for
the
library.
But
then,
when
we
got
into
the
details
of
how
much
they
really
supported
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
threshold
questions
we
asked
was
that
for
Mills,
so
slightly
higher
than
this
385
we've
been
talking
about
and
44%
said
that
they
would
support
a
tax
at
that
level.
Of
that
44%
of
15%
said
they
supported
strongly.
G
The
rest
were
supported
less
strongly,
and
then
we
asked
the
different
thresholds
and,
as
you
might
imagine,
as
the
tax
went
down
from
four
Mills
down
to
about
a
third
of
that,
the
in
the
enthusiasm
when
table
will
have
a
pollster
tell
us
what
level
enthusiasm
you
need
to
have
to
pass
attacks.
When
we
asked
a
question
about
who's
in
favor
of
a
property
tax
increase,
16%
or
one
out
of
six
said
they
favored
a
property
tax
increase
and
then
Munir
the
end
of
it.
G
G
26%
said
they
were
in
favor
of
a
tax
increase
and
the
rest
were
wanted
either
no
change
or
they
were
unsure,
and
then
one
of
the
final
questions
we
asked
is:
are
you
in
favor
of
forming
a
district
at
all
without
regards
to
tax?
Do
you
want
a
district
and
45%
said
yes,
I
would
so
that's
those
are
the
numbers
I'd
looked
at
the
poll
today.
Could
we
have
somebody
come
in
interpret
those
for
us
at
the
next
meeting,
I'm.
B
G
B
G
My
questions
are
more
on
triptych.
For
example,
if
44
percent
of
people
say
that
they're
in
favor
of
attacks,
what
is
that?
Does
that
mean
the
tax?
Is
gonna
passed
or
not?
I
mean
I,
know
it's
less
than
50,
but
I
mean
what
threshold,
and
so
it's
more
of
an
interpretation
methodology
is
fine
I,
don't
care
what
the
methodology
is
really
more
of
an
interpretation
in
Boulder
Colorado.
What
does
it
take
from
a
polling
standpoint
to
get
to
a
successful
ballot
measure
and
Bob
would
be
great
for
that.
I.
Think.
Okay,.
F
G
F
It
I
think
that
of
the
people
who
did
have
an
opinion
on
the
district,
it
was
2
to
1
in
favor.
There
were
a
lot
of
people
who
are
like
anyway
so,
but
we
haven't
cross-examined
you
in
a
long
time,
so
I
won't
again
I
want
to
get
one
one
of
the
questions.
So
there's
the
the
question
of
what
mill
rate
might
be
put
on
the
ballot
for
the
Taylor
election.
K
F
Is
it
decided
by
us
or
like
the
council
or
the
council,
endlich's
commissioners
like
who
yeah
would
be
the
two
of
you,
so
it
would
be.
The
establishing
established
bodies
would
agree
on
a
mill
rate.
Yes,
so
I'll
just
keep
that
in
mind
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
pick
3.85
as
well.
So
we
can
pick
a
different
umber.
P
M
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
a
question
that
Mark
asked
you
earlier
about.
What
would
be
the
benefits
for
people
from
Gunbarrel
and
from
our
agenda
reading?
Is
that
when
it
comes
to
servicing
the
area,
what
does
that
really
mean?
What
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
stuff
that
people
will
get?
That
is
tangible,
because
I
think
that's
a
question.
Probably
a
lot
of
people
are
thinking
as
well.
P
Well,
I'll
start
and
let
David
take
over
so
again,
the
3.85
by
the
library
champions
is
intended
to
accomplish
the
vision
which
does
have
a
gun
barrel
library
and
an
additional
you
know,
library
somewhere,
yet
to
be
seen
based
upon
the
population
use,
so
I
think.
The
argument
is
that
by
doing
this,
you
would
see
tangible
assets
being
built
within
your
no
property
that
you
wouldn't.
We
don't
have
plans
in
our
budget,
so.
Q
E
So
this
is
just
a
question
for
cam
if
you've
seen
this
before.
So
it
seems
like
a
kind
of
entry
level
question
here
is
whether
the
voters
of
Boulder
would
like
to
have
their
assets
run
by
a
library
district
rather
than
by
the
city
through
the
City
Council
on
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
So
have
you
ever
seen?
E
Cities
try
and
decide
whether
there
residents
wanted
something
like
this
to
happen
ahead
of
time,
rather
than
just
going
for
the
Tabor,
because,
as
we've
said,
2/3
of
the
voters
will
be
Boulder
residents
in
the
district
and
80%
of
the
the
taxing
base
is
going
to
be
in
the
city.
So
have
you
ever
seen,
SIF
he's
trying
to
decide?
E
Let
you
give
the
example
of
Aurora,
for
instance,
where
something
was
set
up
in
a
way
that
it
didn't
work
and
they
went
through
the
IGA
and
they'll
brain
damage
and
they
got
to
the
end,
and
the
answer
was
no.
Have
you
seen
folks
trying
to
decide
ahead
of
time
whether
their
residents
cared
for
the
idea.
K
G
You
there
was
a
goodness
handout
that
David
gave
when
these
handouts
they
gave
it
gave
us
today.
Tonight
there
was
all
sorts
of
references
to
polls
this
organization,
this
City
pulled
and
this
city
pulled,
and
there
was
a
poll
and
then
a
resolution.
Okay
and
maybe
you're
not
prepared
to
drill
into
that
tonight,
but
I
see
the
word
poll
a
bunch
of
times.
Is
that
like
where
some
of
the
city's
doing
with
Sam
Sam
suggested?
Do
you
know
Rutter,
who
generated
this.
Q
M
Thank
you
now
we're
just
looking
at
this
map
and
it
seems
I,
don't
know
what
is
the
percentage,
but
a
large
percentage
of
the
areas
in
Colorado.
They
are
districts
and
I
wanted
to
know,
maybe
even
if
not
now
in
the
future
and
March
17th,
you
can
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
their
processes
and
what
do
you
think
it
worked
and
I
think
it
was
mentioned
earlier
when
it
comes
whether
by
resolution,
because
from
looking
at
this,
it
seems
like
districting
may
be
the
wave
of
the
future.
Q
Yeah
I
think
it
does
I
mean
we
need
the
the
State
Library
asked
to
have
more
time.
It
was
like,
like
a
couple
hours
before
this
meeting
and
they
would
like
to
dig
through
it.
So
what
it
looks
like
is
that
there
have
been
59
districts
formed
all,
but
one
of
them
was
formed
by
it.
Apparently
by
I
don't
know,
maybe
80%
were
formed
by
a
resolution.
Q
Q
Q
J
And
and
then
in
addition,
so
in
the
cover
memo
to
the
information
as
well-
and
this
was
from
that
email
that
was
sent
by
the
state
librarian,
there's
a
list
of
the
districts
that
were
formed
by
election
in
there.
So
there
it
looks
like
there
was
seven
since
nineteen
eighty
eight
that
have
been
informed
by
an
election.
A
E
L
E
E
Yeah
so
one
minor
thing:
Adam,
you
you
I'm
gonna,
come
to
you
as
you
can't
or
did
you?
Oh,
oh,
there
are
two
head
I'm
just
I'm
here,
okay,
so
then
so
you
signed
up
for
two.
So
the
next
question
is:
it
looks
like
we
are
oversubscribed
significantly
on
the
17th
for
the
limit
two
sessions
and
nobody
signed
up
on
the
18th
did
Dean
it
was
it
done
intentionally
or
was
that
by
accident?
Can
I
don't.
E
E
F
F
B
I
make
a
suggestion
since
we're
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
so
we
did
the
hard
copy
since
we
haven't
fully
adapted
the
new
council
rules
with
the
doodle
poll.
So
we
could
test
the
doodle
poll
in
this
space
requesting
a
similar
process
to
what
we
did
last
year,
where
you
fill
out
all
of
your
availability
and
then
we
try
to
spread
the
time
so
that
all
council
members
can
attend.
So
we
will
be
clear.
Please
respond
with
all
of
your
options
and
then
we'll
determine
it
from
there.
I.