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3-3-21 City of Boulder Environmental Advisory Board Meeting

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Brett kencairn: meeting after was it for years. Justin.

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Justin brant:, I served a partial term,, so I think it's three.

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Justin brant:, something like that.

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Brett kencairn:: normally we do a pie in the face, or something,, but we couldn't do that for him, this time,. So we sent him a cake to his house.

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Jerri miller: cake, in the face.

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Justin brant:, I daughter, was very excited.

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Brett kencairn: and then we've accomplished our mission, no, but seriously justin thank you.

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Brett kencairn:, it's always a.

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brett kencairn:, it's always a little harder than it might look,, especially justin's done a really great job to be the chair. You kind of have to manage a lot of different.

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Brett kencairn:, unexpected things, there's been all of course, a whole raft of those in this year of coven.

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Brett kencairn: so just want to really appreciate all the years of showing up every month and then this last year,, especially of working through this kind of unusual context, and.

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Brett kencairn: you know, just as a city employee, I'm want to express our gratitude for your service, and I know that our community also really appreciates that you've taken that time to serve in that way,. So thank you very much.

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Justin brant: thanks appreciate: it's been a.

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justin brant:. It's been a great opportunity and yeah gonna miss you guys.

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Msanclements: yeah, it's been great to get today: just.

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justin brant: hopefully,. Our paths will cross again in real life. Sometime.

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Jerri miller: on the bus. justin brant: on the bus, exactly marty at least marty and.

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Justin brant: how,, those of us who live in table mesa, get to run into them in the streets, marty and miriam.

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Justin brant: okay, thanks everyone um,, but I still have one more meaning to run.

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Justin brant: we're passing on to marty.

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justin brant:, um so I guess the air quality piece is next in so I don't. I think I don't know if you want to start brett with what you and miriam and I believe, carolyn have been working on with the regional partners or if we should just jump into the.

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Justin brant: mean and the ceo group.-.

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Brett kencairn:, I think, it'd, be actually good this up with the with the piece of the follow up to the county air quality piece, because that's that's a good context of what we're trying to think through work through here. So just later this afternoon I set out to everyone.

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Brett kencairn:, something that that miriam was generous enough to put together for us,, which was a kind of report out of the session, and then some suggestions, for.

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Brett kencairn: to the city about sort of talking points or follow up points that we might consider in terms of continuing to work with the county on some of these issues.

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Brett kencairn:, but miriam do you? Would you be willing to kind of walk through this a little bit? Maybe just emphasize a few things you want to highlight.

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Miriam hacker: and sure, and just.

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miriam hacker:, a colon, and I guess we'll we'll talk about having a conversation with you guys after this.

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Miriam hacker: there, there is some some discussion of meeting with the county after on this topic, and I so so basically what.

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Miriam hacker:: it was a really great meeting with the regional partners and really interesting to hear.

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Miriam hacker: about what the districts are doing with their monitoring plans and different types of monitoring exercises, and there was a surprising amount of variety it with what was being done and.

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Miriam hacker:, as I've expressed before I believe, the work that fort collins and denver doing stand out as examples of of really exceptional things that can be done to to in the monitoring world to protect the citizenry.

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Miriam hacker:. It was also here interesting to hear what some of the smaller communities are dealing with, as far as reaching constrict constituents and and.

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Miriam hacker: how they're getting the word out to the people that they need to get the word to um.

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Miriam hacker:, you know,, as we've had the presentation as well about what boulder county is, is doing.

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Miriam hacker: very interesting information about collection of ozone, pollution and toxics and but limited information with regard to particularly for for boulder in boulder county right now and it..

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Miriam hacker: was also helpful to understand more about what the state cdp he is doing as far as their network and what.

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Miriam hacker: potential resources might be available to the greater community. They talked about on loan or monitors that could be given to the different areas.

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Miriam hacker:, particularly with respect to the fire management and smoke management around the wildflower fires and messaging, was a big topic in the meeting, their results,. A lot of discussion, about.

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Miriam hacker: how to reach the public most effectively and denver talked about a phone app that they're developing fort collins has the benefit of visibility, monitoring and data that they use in in their sort of messaging, which is really interesting. And there was a presentation about the.

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Miriam hacker: hq is the air quality index,, and that is used as sort of a.

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Miriam hacker: um it's used to describe you know whether the air quality is good or not, and but there's discussion about you, know, making sure that.

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Miriam hacker:, it's understandable and relatable for the people that are reading this message and and that it's that it's a good representation of what's being measured as well and talked about messaging targeting the messaging regarding what kind of community is being.

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Miriam hacker: addressed and talks a lot of discussion about whether and public indifference was a problem or whether you know how are we meeting reaching the people that we need to reach that kind of discussion, and there was a general consensus.

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Miriam hacker: that clear and consistent messaging across the state would be beneficial,, and so the following work from the workshop,, at least from my understanding, is that there was a goal to have a shared data and creation of a technical group. To.

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Miriam hacker: come up with a way to present data and in a in a way, that's good for the whole community, and then also shared messaging and targeting different art audiences and.

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Miriam hacker: different modes of communication,, so that was mainly the the report out from the workshop. I don't know if we want to talk about and what I thought we might bring up with the county at this point.

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Brett kencairn: you know, actually looking at the agenda,. I think it might make sense now.

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Brett kencairn:, this is sort of like will do the information gathering essentially or information presentation,. So why don't? We have the me and v students go through their pieces and then we can kind of wrap that up by thinking about next steps to that makes sense.

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Justin brant: I just, can I just ask a follow up question first.

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Justin brant:, um who is at the meeting mary mental? I guess I didn't see an email.

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Miriam hacker: oh,, and it was representatives from almost every small city, county.

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Miriam hacker: in the state there were, you know, representatives from all over. We had people from aspen from eagle from fort collins,, and it was it was everywhere,, and it was really interesting to see what the different different areas we're doing. As far as managing the air quality for their citizens.

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Jerri miller: equation me: if I could just real quick, was the weather service present. My understanding is the weather is puts out in the air quality statement of some sort can you.

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Miriam hacker:, so it wasn't the weather surface.

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miriam hacker:. Who was there with cdp? He was a state air quality and department, basically and and cdp. He also puts.

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Miriam hacker: a based on their monitoring data and for the whole state which is statewide. They have monitors all around the state and they post air quality.

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Miriam hacker: information associated with that. I don't know if there's a link to the noaa website, specifically,, but I would not be surprised if they worked with them in some way. I don't know.

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Collin tomb: all right, yeah okay.

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Collin tomb: miriam pollen um yeah, so I was the organizer of the.

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Miriam hacker: one with the organizer yes, yes,, so I am.

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Collin tomb:, I'm just gonna, ask anyone who would like to be in the loop and receive more information and to drop something in the chat or drop me. A line.

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Collin tomb: and,, and they can certainly go through miriam concert in touch and I'd, be happy to supply more information,. This is that this is definitely more. The merrier networks.

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Collin tomb:, so I'm great summary, though miriam, thank you for doing. That.

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Justin brant: thanks thanks for the offer con and sounds like a great group, you put together it's nice to hear that all the is local governments and regional groups are talking.

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Brett kencairn: yeah with that justin. Maybe we should just go in at to the mem v presentations.

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Justin brant: great so con. Are you the one coordinating that or.

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Collin tomb: is there somebody else? I should know that.

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Justin brant: turning things over to. collin tomb:. It can didn't start self organized.

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Collin tomb:, okay, I'm just in an advisory role.

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Caroline hamlin menv:, I will go ahead and share my screen.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, great it., jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, is you're doing that, that this is jonathan. I'm going to tee this up, just very briefly at the at the risk of being too long winded I.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: board members, jonathan cohen,, acting director of the climate and ships department, really appreciate you all taking the time to hear from these amazing students.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and I will also note that william check in his just popped into the meeting,, who is kind of the lead.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: in our key kind of conspirator in this issue,. I the reason that I wanted to tee this up. Is.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I think the conversations that you all have been having on this topic going back several months now,. I think, really prompted us as the city to really dig deep in terms of how we can.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: build some stronger collaborations and relationships,, not just with like colin, who has an absolute rock star and working with the aq cc, and air pollution control. The vision.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and really thinking about the regulatory approach,. But how do we think kind of the research arm and and our partners at cu and then,? How do we, as kind of public agency, start to think about the things that we can do with the local level and it's been.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: really,, stimulating, I think, to to look at this from different angles.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and the only other piece, I wanted to say, and then maybe ask you to add any brief. Remarks.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, the students that. jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, you're, going to hear from tonight are really.

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jonathan koehn, city of boulder:. Incredible I've had the the honor to work with many of them.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, over close to about a year now and I've just been really impressed with their level of insight in what they're bringing forward,. And so I really.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, when I heard that this was a topic of continuing conversation, I thought it was really important for the two pieces to link up a little bit in terms of the research that's going on and how that could be applied in any decisions that we're making at the local level..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, so I will stop there,, otherwise I'll keep going william is,. Would you like to introduce yourself briefly and and a little bit about the urban resilience and sustainability clinic.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and if not that's okay.,.

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William shutkin:, I of course john thank you so much,. Can you hear me okay.

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William shutkin: yeah great well jonathan koa, thanks for the opportunity to to for our students to be before the board,. I think I know some of you, like brett, brett great, to see you again. It's been, it's been a while.

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William shutkin:, but very quickly, I've been teaching in the new masters of the environment program for two years.

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William shutkin:, I'm a part time faculty member, but I'm also the lead of what we've called as of last year,. The urban resilience and sustainability track.

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William shutkin:, within this relatively new master's program and one of the first things I did when I came on board as a faculty member, was to reach out to susie stripe and jonathan cohen, to join me as a faculty member,. We also have harmon.

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Collin tomb: zuckerman and gene sansom.

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William shutkin:, who are two other terrific folks who I'm sure some of you know when the wildfires and co vid came together last summer.

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William shutkin: last spring and summer in boulder jonathan susie, and I got together and said,. You know: gosh how, in an age of sort of diminishing public sector, resources.

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William shutkin:, but increasing public sector stressors and community stressors can we serve our community,, the city and county boulder with our talented.

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William shutkin: graduate students, this jonathan noted,, and so we came up with this clinic course concept,, where, with a team of 10 students who you'll hear from him in a minute.

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William shutkin: and jonathan and colin and susie's guidance and leadership, we would deliver come april or early may some value to the city and county in terms of helping.

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William shutkin: guide proposed policy change around a key area which is air quality, and in particular, indoor air quality,, as it affects at risk communities that is low income communities and communities of color in the city of boulder and boulder county..

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William shutkin:, who between code and the wildfires, are perhaps the most vulnerable and most exposed, and so that's what's informed the students work. That's the why.

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William shutkin: that they bring to tonight's presentation- and I know they've had just about a week to prepare and they're still a very early stages of their research and their work with the city. County.

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William shutkin:, but we really appreciate the opportunity for them to be able to come before you tonight. So with that and then another thing so jonathan here our students.

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Duncan kay menv: a william thank you, so much for tns up explain our first. Actually, our first slide very well. You know kind of go over our mission statement, and you know what we're trying to do with our two groups so carolyn he might go to the next slide.

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Duncan kay menv: also, about the project,, so we split into two teams, one looking at you know: policy programs and codes within the city and county of boulder.

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Duncan kay menv: and also a team, that's focused on education and outreach and what we're trying to do is create deliverables that can be then actionable for the city in the county to implement that would improve indoor air quality in an equitable way. So, looking at then.

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Duncan kay menv: the policy and programs team,, you know so we're trying to address iq from several different avenues,, you know,, so the first one we kind of thought of was with building codes,. You know.

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Duncan kay menv: with new buildings, they're already built so well that indoor air quality is not as much of an issue, but with existing buildings,, the retrofits. You know where you have a lot of vulnerable populations existing and dwelling in.

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Duncan kay menv:, you know you have pretty poor indoor air quality and this exacerbates existing conditions,. You know you have vulnerable populations, have a higher rate, of.

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Duncan kay menv: you know, asthma and different medical respiratory diseases and poor indoor air quality just does nothing more than exacerbate those issues.

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Duncan kay menv:, so we're looking at building codes in like it started off with something simple. Could we add pp to a building and times wildfire to sort of help.

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Duncan kay menv: people that are within that building protect themselves, like adding like a mask dispenser.

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Duncan kay menv:, you know that was like the first idea,, but then it's built from there, you know,, like what can we do within the existing codes? Like there's buckets when you have to retrofit a home,, you know you have to.

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Duncan kay menv: do a retrofit measure in a lot of cases, and is there a measure that we can implement that would focus on indoor air quality,, something like you, know,, removing your gas stove.

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Duncan kay menv: or you know, implementing range hoods over your stoves. You know things along those that nature where's, where we're looking with codes, but then also we're looking at existing programs,, which are like energy, smart, smart regs, pace, so,, for instance, with energy smart.

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Duncan kay menv: there's it's focusing focusing mostly on energy efficiency,, but you know there,. There is some wiggle room that we might be able to implement something with an iq lens into the energy smart, program.

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Duncan kay menv: and further, you know we're looking at other areas in which we can approach indoor air quality,. You know, there's the sustainability tax.

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Duncan kay menv:, which is, I know a sticky subject, but is there a additional.

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Duncan kay menv: funding source,, we can add, within the state ability tax that would help land owners and landlords improve their buildings in terms of indoor air quality, to help the public health within boulder in boulder county.

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Duncan kay menv: and finally,, we had a one of our part. One of our teammates come with a great idea to potentially forge urban and rural partnerships.

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Duncan kay menv: to address fuel loads within the boulder area,, you know the public lands are taken care of pretty well as the fuel loads when it comes to wildfires but.

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Duncan kay menv: private land isn't as dress as much you know so, sort of trying to mitigate or mitigate the effects of wildfires within the area which also further exasperate indoor air quality issues. So that's what the actual policy and programs teams okay.

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Mel englund menv: and then we have the education team and our team really has to deliverables. That is our goal, and the first one is a lit review,, which are,, which is going to look at two things. Specifically.

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Mel englund menv:, so the first one is going to look at what other cities and communities are doing within the air quality space,, and this can include really unique, effective things that other communities are doing.

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Mel englund menv: that have been proven to be really successful, and then we're also going to look at best practices for public engagement, communication and education around the air quality.

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Mel englund menv:, and this really has delved into doing interviews with people throughout boulder county who are professionals with kind of engagement with vulnerable communities and then,, as well as diving, deeper into the research that's available online for us to tap into.

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Caroline hamlin menv: and our second deliverable is going to be a gis, interactive story map for those who don't know who story what story mapping is is essentially a resource that we can use to be able to pinpoint at granular levels.

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Caroline hamlin menv: ways for us to identify these areas that have high risks of poor air quality,. So we are wanting to make something that where residents can have access and.

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Caroline hamlin menv: find information on what actions they should do. If they have these challenges in their home,, we will also be adding resources and we will be how using are.

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Caroline hamlin menv: addressing the issues on if there were a challenge,, how can they approach the situation and getting accurate and where they can find accurate.

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Caroline hamlin menv: air quality, measures., caroline hamlin menv:, so we also have a project timeline. We will we're going to start our we're going to finish our projects and our research and things like that march. 28Th.

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Caroline hamlin, menv: and then, our draft deliverables were, we were advised by april 4 to have those complete and then our final presentation will be april 28 from four to six,. So we will have those done and finalized them.

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Caroline hamlin menv:, so thank you so much. We appreciate all the time that you guys have given us today, and we are also looking for constructive feedback ideas, questions concerns,. We are here to help.

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William shutkin:, rachel and caroline. So if anybody's got questions for the team,, I know you're on a tight schedule up but they're here to to respond and to take notes.

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Jerri miller:, I do have a question,. This is marty,. The name is my wife's name on on there. So I'm using her computer.

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Jerri miller: very, very articulate class, by the way,, I'm duly impressed, thank you.

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Jerri miller:, my question is: helped me a little bit. I'm kind of familiar with story, maps and story lines so to help communicate a narrative, about.

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Jerri miller:, what information means and where it can be accessed. I guess this question will go to caroline, but to all of you who, who can chime in please do what is the difference between a gis.

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Jerri miller: story map and a dashboard where dashboard might be sort of like a portal that a person can go to.

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Jerri miller: one star help me help me understand a little bit.

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Caroline hamlin menv: sure,, so um for a story map,, you will be able to scroll through and read different different information that we put on the story. Map,. We can also put on to our story maps specific locations where you can click.

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Caroline hamlin menv: and access the information, the accurate measures and the resources that you may need.

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Caroline hamlin menv:- this can be a little bit. This can be also a way. That's an easier access for people just to read. This could be something that it just flows very well and it aligns with the.

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Caroline hamlin menv: city's plans to create a gis map that also relates to were at a granular level, the neighborhoods that have environmental challenges, for example,, like heat index wildfires.

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Caroline hamlin menv: frozen frozen temperatures and things like that,, so we think that this may be an easier resource for people to really engage and learn more about their surrounding areas and how they can improve their quality in their health for their families.

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Jerri miller:, so it's a story map a little bit more helping them understand what they're, seeing rather than just a loading dock where they can go. Oh here's all these indices and monitoring and time series,, and that that that that that it's overwhelming.

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Jerri miller: but you're going to provide a little bit of narration to guide them, through.

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jerri miller: and help them absorb what it is. They're seeing.

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Caroline hamlin menv: yes., jerri miller:. This is crowded very nice,. Thank you very much..

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Justin brant: yeah thanks for the presentation, I guess,, I have a couple questions or maybe their comments.

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Justin brant: on the the discussion on you know, of building on some of the existing programs like smart regs.,.

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Justin brant: that you mentioned,, you know, I think, that's a great thing to be looking at as a lot of the ventilation and other health and safety measures,. I think, are already.

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Justin brant: parts of existing energy efficiency programs,, especially those serving vulnerable communities,. I guess I'm wondering if you guys have considered looking at.

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Justin brant: some of the voluntary offering as well, so rather than the you know: cities specific policies,, but things like partnering with energy average colorado.

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Justin brant: and other organizations that are sort of already in people's homes,, providing some of these resources to think about ways to piggyback some of the air quality things you're thinking about. On top of you, know, energy efficiency or their health and safety measures.

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Duncan kay menv:, that's an excellent question, because you know we we had.

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duncan kay menv:. We hadn't looked into those voluntary measures. As of yet we'd been mostly focusing on you know,, like you, said, energy, smart, smart, reg programs as an avenue to address indoor air quality.

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Duncan kay menv:, but um you know, for these voluntary measures that could be another great avenue for us to look at and see what they have going on at the moment and see what they can. What can be put into their programs that could address indoor air quality, so that that's actually really.

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Justin brant: suggest looking at it,, I mean it's stuff, they're they're, already working on,, I know,, maybe less related to a wildfire, been more just out there in your health issues.

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William shutkin: and then I guess, justin and duncan just before you go on just if you would be willing, the teams are still in somewhat of a discovery. Phase,, so if say duncan, might be able to follow up with you just justin for a half hour, to.

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William shutkin: get know you know somebody. justin, brant: programs,. That would be to chat about it or to engage with.

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justin brant: folks at our injuries colorado, who could answer in more depth.

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Duncan kay menv: very awesome thank you.

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Justin brant: and then I guess you know just another question is wondering if you're thinking about sort of broadly, if there's a role,, you know we, I guess.

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Justin brant: have presented to council and I think there was some interest on their part and just thinking through you know, is there a role for sort of community.

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Justin brant: centers to help folks during times of challenging air quality,, you know, a role for the city in terms of providing refuge,. So I guess wondering if you guys have been thinking about those types of things as well. If that's within the scope and if not,, I might suggest, adding it.

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Duncan kay menv:, that's another item that I think we have missing from our scope, and again I think you know that's something that can be really, really valuable.

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Duncan kay menv: in terms of wildfire, so that's me again,. We can look at appreciate you justin for actually highlighting these two items. Is there definitely missing from our last.

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Trip.

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Miriam hacker:, I had a brief question as well, for you guys um are you planning on any sort of monitoring of the levels of air quality in the indoors and and how are you measuring the success of accomplishing reductions in in impacts, indoors.

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Duncan kay menv:, so haughtiness put. duncan kay menv: oh.

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Hannah miller menv:, I didn't take that one with that airflow.

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Hannah miller menv:, so we I had just heard from a capstone team member that she had been working on a project with io, airflow and enroll..

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Hannah miller menv:, so she was going to try and set us up with contact with the ceo and see how that relationship could build otherwise for any additional sensors. I think we have been looking at like different public networks,. I think purple is discussed.

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Hannah miller menv:, otherwise you don't have any concrete plans for sensors currently and.

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Duncan kay menv: the bill of what he was saying,, you know we're we're developing a list of recommendations,, mostly for the city, to implement we're using a lot of data as well from shelley.

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Duncan kay menv: miller think that a has.

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William shutkin:, a red sea. duncan kay menv: yes, yeah, has done a bunch of indoor air quality,. You know testing within vulnerable populations in boulder and has discovered,. You know where a lot of the pollutants come from.

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Duncan kay menv: so,, like you know, outdoor air infiltration and you know, allow your equipment, but also voc, admitting paints and carpets.

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Duncan kay menv:, you know so there's a lot of data out there,. So I don't know if we're going to do as much data collection, as we are going to take the existing data and try to synthesize that and create recommendations for the county, pursue as it pertains indoor air quality.

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Miriam hacker:, gotcha okay.

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Collin tomb boulder county: yeah. This is calling it that the actual monitoring may be out of scope for for this clinic.

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Collin tomb boulder county:, but there are a lot of parallel efforts that that could be synthesize. Then a couple of a couple of grant applications are in for indoor air quality monitoring, and so should that happen that there's some some dovetailing that could take place with what the students are doing.

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Brett kencairn: susan, I think you were trying to get in a question.

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Brett kencairn:, you're, muted, susan.

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Susan peterson:, the perennial you're still muted.,.

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Susan peterson:, first of all,, thank you so much for joining us, it's great to have new faces and new energy. Here to evening this evening.

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Susan peterson: and I was really interested in your title: the intersection of air quality issues and vulnerable populations,, because one aspect of vulnerability is our low income. Populations.

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Susan peterson:, who can least afford some of the measures that we're talking about,, particularly in their own spaces and a large percentage of that community generally are renters. So I wondered if you thought, through programs.,.

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Susan peterson:, to make both monitoring and air cleaning systems more available to low income people, and particularly programs with landlords.

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Susan peterson:, to create safer indoor, spaces.

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Duncan kay menv: with we've actually started looking into that.

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Duncan kay menv: an area of or an avenue,, which were like looking at it right now is this sustainability tax within boulder. You know there there's multiple buckets within the tax.

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Duncan kay menv: that you know allocate money to different sustainability measures and we're wondering if there's another bucket, that could be created, that would.

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Duncan kay menv: create like a grant style funding source for land owners and landlords where they could put together,. You know they could help matching grant style. You know.

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Duncan kay menv: make improvements to their dwellings of their households. That would improve indoor air quality,, and you know there's a lot of things you can do that are pretty simple that.

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Duncan kay menv: you know, could quickly improve indoor air quality,. You know a lot of these affordable dwelling units are located really close to roadways. You know.

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Duncan kay menv:, you know, high traffic roadways, and you see a lot of air infiltration becoming a huge issue for indoor air quality. So could you somehow you know,, like air sealing, is one of those topics. That's talked a lot about for energy.

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Duncan kay menv: conservation or energy efficiency,, but that could be another measure that could be looked. At, for indoor air quality, improvements.

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Duncan kay menv: there's also things like adding the proper sweeps or improving your existing ceiling around your openings that could improve those the air filtration. Those are just some of the ideas we're looking at,, but we have sort of looking at you. Know.

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Duncan kay menv: creating funding for landlords to draw from to improve their house or their renters housing.

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William shutkin: susan, it's such a great question. This is william second, and it's it's a constant theme for this clinic course, and for much of our work and my and my work.

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William shutkin: affordability and inclusion,, as well as environmental quality,. How do we make it work,? So a couple of add on to what duncan said, and in fact I think duncan- was your idea, initially,. What if.

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William shutkin:, every fissile or boulder housing partners community had on hand and emergency supply of p for acute air quality. Events like a I think duncan use the analogy of a fire extinguisher.

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William shutkin:, but if there were a similar compartment in buildings,, perhaps required by code or non that were available, simple mitigation, measures.

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William shutkin:, we came across the idea through shelley miller of fan backs,. These are banks that loan for free fans during acute air quality events to improve ventilation and cooling.

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William shutkin: for folks who otherwise couldn't afford a fan, and it's essentially a revolving bank and imagine the story map that caroline so well described pointing out in one of its resource.

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William shutkin: pages,, you know where these these fan banks were located and how to make use of them,. So these are the sorts of tangible, practical, hopefully low, cost,, no cost measures.

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William shutkin: that the students are researching into in a very rapid fashion, to be able to advise the city and county decision makers on ways to learn from code and wildfire season and then take action. That's perhaps of a prototypical nature,, but something that could be implemented..

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Brett kencairn: just want to throw in that last fall,, one of our colleagues in the department, elizabeth saka, contracted with a group out of oakland called the mycelium use. Network.

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Brett kencairn:, who have been working with youth to put on workshops for communities of color around how to build.

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Brett kencairn: sort of do it yourself, air, filtration system,, so you can take these 20 inch fans, for example.

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Brett kencairn: and just strap an air filter on the front of them, and it's significantly improved so for 30 or $35. You can create a system that can help.

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Brett kencairn: those households, be able to filter they're, not just keep themselves cool,, which is, of course.

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Brett kencairn:, when we start to get into these convergences of extreme heat, plus fire we're going to have really, really toxic conditions, because people need to stay in their homes,, but they can't stay cool.

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Brett kencairn:, so I think that's one thing that to kind of watch for, and also especially this, how we empower communities to empower themselves.

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Brett kencairn:- and I think this this youth of color providing workshops in their own communities,, has been a very effective model.

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Brett kencairn:, oh another thing I would point to is especially as you start thinking about codes, and certainly the the in this carolyn is going to talk about this. That the.

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Brett kencairn:, one of the significant benefits of electrification with heat pumps,, is that you can enable households to have cooling, without it being outside air. That's brought in which typical refrigerant coolers are bringing outside erin.

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Brett kencairn:, so it's a very important benefit, and I think in the fights that are now underway,, largely because of the natural gas industry trying to stop communities who are trying to go all electric.

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Brett kencairn: the health benefits,, maybe one of the most important selling points there and then the last thing. I just note. This is kind of a shocking and disruptive statement. But.

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Brett kencairn: in the in a conversation we had with some building designers a couple of years ago about this,. One of the inclinations in the codes is to start putting in requirements for sort of.

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Brett kencairn: fancy heat exchange, air systems, which are great when they work but experienced that it's been had in things like habitat for humanity, houses.

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Brett kencairn:, where they require these fancy air exchange systems to be put in.

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Brett kencairn:, they forget that there's maintenance- that's required in these units, are often put in some place where they are not very visible and so fairly quickly. The the filters get caked up and then pretty soon they're, not actually very functional. At all.

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Brett kencairn: and from a colleague who's a very interesting character out in north in northern california,. They did some analysis that showed that.

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Brett kencairn: relatively leaky houses that had really strong hood vents and bathroom vents. They were pulling air from the outside, with all the the the doors and windows closed.

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Brett kencairn: we're actually creating a particular filtration system through essentially the leaks in their houses. That was as good or, better, as many of the filtration systems,. So we just have to be thoughtful. About.

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Brett kencairn:, when we use technology solutions,, especially that that we're actually factoring in all the factors that are going to be necessary to make sure that they work.

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Jerri miller: breton. I wonder if I can ask one more question to follow up on last week's conversation on electrification.

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Jerri miller:, which was the question I was kind of posing or to come back to which has to have mobility, electrification of our mobility, so,. If you will,, electric vehicles,, rather than than gasoline or diesel, vehicles.

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Jerri miller:, and so here I'm I'm thinking in the spirit of the other clinic, which is this class and defining the problem related to electrification mobility as concerns.

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Jerri miller: air quality and, and my question has to do with this,. So if I'm living along the foothills highway.

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Jerri, miller: or and there's plenty communities, long and and well to do communities. These aren't impoverished people living.

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Jerri miller: long for those highway or long, the long mantegna. So there was an I shot.

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Jerri miller: the constant stream of gasoline engine cars,. Do we have an idea about what the air quality is in that core door of neighborhoods, as opposed to.

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Jerri miller: communities that are set back from these main thoroughfares, so do we know a baseline now, how much worse is the air quality just from the.

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Jerri miller: current mobility based on the gasoline engine and how much improvement, might we expect,, as we can consistently move to electrification for the air quality alone? These thoroughfare core doors.

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Jerri miller:, that that will be a sort of a measure of you know,. The solution to the problem that the clinic would be interested to survey.

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Jerri miller:, not in your class time, obviously,, but as a long term, project.

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William shutkin:, that's great well jerry! That's such a.

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jerri, miller: marty, marty., william shutkin: marty, sorry., william shutkin:, not sure., jerri miller:, that's good., william shutkin:. That's that's a wonderful example for all of us. It's systems thinking right connecting up these different systems and processes.

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William shutkin: under one you know sort of common problem, set.

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William shutkin: so yeah I mean we've been talking in this clinic class about electrification a lot on.

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William shutkin:, connecting it up to tv, not not yet,, but to the extent that is, I think, duncan mentioned.

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William shutkin: experts, like shelly miller from see you suggest that, indeed,, the biggest air quality problem for low income communities are the air emissions from vehicles on.

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William shutkin: heavily trafficked arteries, so I've no doubt that a really good hypothesis would be as soon as we you know, electrify our vehicle fleets,. We will no doubt see you know dramatic improvements in air quality now they'll still be right.

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William shutkin: grid- that's not necessarily fully clean,, at least in the near term, but hopefully by 2030. When we see this new fleet really turning over.

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William shutkin: will see dramatic effects,. You know it might be something teams that that we know sort of this connection between the transportation technologies and the air quality problem. I'm not sure.

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William shutkin: marty: it's something we're going to be able to necessarily address in this particular assignment there, great, really good thought and something to be addressed. Going forward.

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Jerri miller: thanks for you.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: I,, I guess, this is a question justin do. Would you mind if I made a comment.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, just following rules of protocol.

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justin brant:, go for jonathan. jonathan koehn, city of boulder: thank you,. I appreciate it just a couple comments and maybe a bit of a segue into the next part of your conversation related to the codes and first of all,. I just want to appreciate and.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, all of the students and william you in particular for your willingness to partner with us on on this kind of new and unique way of thinking. It's been really extraordinary and it, and I think you can all see just the.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, the brain trust that we have that. Sometimes we don't utilize like we should in the students.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and so just a couple comments here that I wanted to make,. I think it was duncan who made reference to some mapping that we are embarking on and- and I just wanted to whet the board's appetite a little bit that will be coming back to you in the in somewhat near future..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, working with colleen in the county and paul chanel ski at the university to start to dive deeper into this vulnerability. Mapping- and this is prompted- I think, susan by your question.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, in really understanding the level of granularity or resolution in terms of the vulnerabilities that exist within a community. I think we kind of think of them as homogenized right. We think a boulder, oh yeah, your risks, are.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: flooding wildfire and this and that but really diving deep into neighborhood level data and understanding,. Then how that informs the policy decisions that we make the programs that we might be able to service and offer.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:- and I think that that is something we are really excited to be doing with the county and also the city of longmont, so stay tuned for how we start to lay that out. The other piece that I wanted to reference.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I think brett had tee this up. In my mind, just utilizing the networks that are already out there, as we think about some of these solutions. So brett mentioned the work of elizabeth masako, who is our equity.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: manager, within our climate initiatives, department.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, connecting with our overall racial equity framework at the city.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and then you're utilizing those partnerships like flows at cu, boulder housing partners in the county to start to really infiltrate and be able to test and model, some of these solutions in ways that the city, perhaps can't always do..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and so that's something really exciting- to look forward. To.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and then I had one other piece that I think I am just losing at the moment.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and I apologize.

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jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, yeah I'll, just I'll just stop there and say oh,. I know what it was. The other piece, susan that you made me think of is.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:- it's not just looking forward, and what we can offer, but also looking at what we're currently doing and so part of our overall strategy,, particularly on the equity and air quality framework, is doing a bit of an equity scan..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: so,, looking at our current programs and services,, looking at what we're doing right now and being able to identify the inequity.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and looking at the things where we can improve upon what we're already doing.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, so I know that that's just a little bit of a nuance,, but I think it's a really critical one. Instead of just saying, let's just keep adding more and more.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, it's wow. We could really refine and tinker with the things that we're doing it right now to kind of pick up. Some of these other issues that are are,, I think, growing importance.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, so I'll stop there,. I know you have a lot left on your agenda,. We want to make that pivot and I want to make sure that the students can get on to the rest of their evening. To.

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Justin brant: great thanks to jonathan and thanks again to everyone, from the masters environment programme, was really helpful and I guess,. I hope you guys, will come back and talk to eb again once your work is finalized, though,. I will not be here to listen to it.

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William shutkin:, where will you be? Are you turning off.

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justin brant: for them yeah,, I guess,. He must that this is my last meeting. I'm.

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Justin brant: oh, my.

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Justin brant: life. justin brant: gap is coming to an end., william shutkin:. Thank thanks for doing that for all of us, so we'll invite all the vip board members,, including you justin to the april 28 presentation,, which jonathan and I and colin and susie will be organizing with the students. So we'll look forward to seeing you then.

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William shutkin: thanks everybody in great great job, students, thank you.

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Justin brant: so much.

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Caroline hamlin menv: thank you.

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William shutkin: thanks.

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Justin brant: great well, I guess that sort of segues into the next piece of our agenda,, which is thinking about communications, with counsel or sort of where I think the board goes next on this.

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Justin brant: on the issue of air quality. Is that right brandon, I don't know. Is there something you want to say to introduce the topic or.

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Brett kencairn: yeah.

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Brett kencairn:, maybe one one thing- I'd, maybe like to see, see if you'd be willing to do a jump of agenda items. Just briefly, I happen to know personally how.

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Brett kencairn: many meetings, jonathan has to go to it, how many of them are late,, and I would rather not have him to have to be here.

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Brett kencairn: the whole rest of the evening,, and so I think the only other reason why we wanted you here, jonathan, was just I think you had a little bit of insight for the board about the process. Of.

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Brett kencairn:, both the abs evolution and the process of how boards are being encouraged, sort of to be a little bit more proactive and then also this issue about working with other boards,. So if you're willing,, could you give us that update in the new we could let you go home.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: yeah, thanks brett. justin, brant: yeah, it's like he's already home.

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jonathan koehn, city of boulder:. I am so no thanks. I appreciate that. That's that's super helpful and let me just start by saying I so appreciate this is.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, a really great topic and justin. You did such a fantastic job representing the board at the city council retreat,, which really prompted I think.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: in invoked a great conversation amongst directors and departments in terms of how can we improve on the current process.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: to to create that space for inter-departmental work and inter board work,. So I think this interesting topic that marty brings up around vehicle emissions. It's a perfect topic. To.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: find that intersection between the transportation department and climate initiatives tab in the eb, and not to centering on.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, the empty,, but the thing that kind of binds us together,, which is this health implications and the air quality implications and those cross cutting topics become very.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, relevant and interesting when we create a space to discuss them amongst kind of the different work groups and, of course, the boards and commissions,. So what I wanted to share with you.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: is again,. I think that the conversation that was prompted the city council, retreat and then, of course, by this boards letter to the.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: house was to create more collaboration amongst the boards,. How do we make that happen,? How do we be very intentional about that.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, is it something that looks like all of the boards coming together, one representative from each board coming together in some type of grants, summit.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, we have 22 boards and commissions, it's a lot,, and so what is the best way? To.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: try to find that intersection ality and find the space to for this work to occur,. So I don't have the solution for you tonight, I'm not able to report on that,, but what I am able to share with you. Is.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: that directors are very actively discussing this and I think the hope is within the next month or two to be able to roll out.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, a bit of a framework for the boards to kind of move into a space, in a very intentional way that I don't I,, at least in my tenure, with the city which is 15 years..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: that I have ever seen or witnessed so it's a very,, very positive conversation. That's taking place right now, really starting to do a deep dive into the types of activities that the boards are really interested. In.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: flagging some of these. These topics like air quality health equity, resilience that that don't necessarily reside with one board north,, nor should they but being able to explore.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: how it might show up in terms of the recommendations each of the boards are making.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and, and I,. The last thing I will say here is that it gave me an opportunity to kind of talk about where we believe we are heading. I think, in terms of our department.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and starting to look at some of the systems work. That's so critical to the success and in our ability to kind of address climate issues and kind of link. Those two community based values.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and so,, starting to think about some of the tough choices and issues that we're going to have to be dealing with like land use. Policies.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, like some of the issues related to broad based ecosystems, work that bread is championing,. How do we think about equity in this space.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, from a climate perspective,. How do we think about some of the very difficult conversations that that we've just kind of lightly touched over the years and really starting to focus in and utilizing that climate lens.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: and it's been very positive, and I think it's been incredible to see the receptiveness of the other departments of the directors and of the city. Manager.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:- and it was something that we discussed with both of the city manager candidates in terms of how they see the role of their citizen boards and commissions, and how we better utilize them moving. Forward.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, so I'll stop and take any questions or comments that you have,. I appreciate the opportunity didn't have to being prepared on this. So brett kind of caught me off guard but.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, but I'd love, to hear any comments or thoughts that you have in any feedback on that and anything you want me to make sure is included in the conversations over the next couple of months.

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Miriam hacker: so jonathan. I would just add that in the past, we've had the opportunity to have the joint sessions, with the different boards on topics that are of great importance to us..

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Miriam hacker: and getting the perspectives of the different boards, I felt was really helpful to sort of guide our our conversation and where we wanted to go with it, and so,. If we can continue to be able to do that,, it would be important,. I think.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, can I ask you a question back miriam I,. I completely agree with that. I'm wondering, one of the things that I think I have been.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, trying to think through, is you know, coming together with multiple boards. What's the topic that you really want to dig into sometimes,, at least in my experience, the board, there's been something that's really. I think.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: been under the purview and ownership, of, say, the ea be and you're trying to get a perspective from some of the other boards. Versus.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: it would it be beneficial to kind of create a master list of these broader topics like air quality,, like equity and resilience.,.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: that we could bring the boards and commissions together and they each kind of bring their perspective roles and expertise to that conversation, or maybe it's both and maybe there's a nuance there that that is unnecessary,. But I'm just kind of curious. What your thoughts are there.

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Miriam hacker:, I think you hit it on the head. I that's exactly a great way to approach it, I think, and the way you know the experience that I had was with ecosystems as a topic and that brought in.

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Miriam hacker: a bunch of different perspectives from a bunch of different boards.

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Miriam hacker: you know,, managing in the ecosystem system. Space, I mean we could do that with climate,. We could do it with equity and resilience,. We could do it with any number of topics really that goes under our purview but lands in a lot of different laps. I think.

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Jerri miller: this is this- is marty real, quick as a as a.

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Jerri miller:, what topic to dig into us jonathan's great question.,.

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Jerri miller:, I wonder if they were prepared in texas for the cascading vulnerabilities that were exposed by a cold wave.

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Jerri miller:, I wonder if there had been conversations among councils in san antonio, for instance, or austin.

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Jerri miller: about what would happen if something like this, even conceivably could occur to cascade on losing electricity and losing water losing mobility, losing it all.

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Jerri miller: were in boulder. Do we have that that we haven't yet conversed about that? Maybe we're a little bit too comfortable about our vulnerability that actually is lurking and just waiting to be triggered by something. What have we forgotten.

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Miriam hacker:: it happened with the. miriam hacker: floods, didn't it.

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Jerri miller: not as much as it could have,, but it could rewrite it could have gotten their.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: party, it's such an excellent question and I think just just miriam to your your.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: response about the floods,. I think there were these acute shocks that caused us to look at oh,, my goodness,. What happens if we experience this again.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:- and this is where I am just going to be very,- very I'm- going to make a strong statement here that I think resilience is a topic that we have not yet..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: truly dug into as an organization, as a community and really looked at it from all different angles,. I think our resilience strategy is is a great start.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, but we've not applied this lens of really. What are these types of of impacts, the shocks and stressors in the cascading effect that may come from them.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I know internally, our department has had a number of conversations on the energy side of things, but.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, you know,, you can piece this apart and say my gosh. They were failures all over the place, in terms of public health and.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, emergency operations, centers and protecting their own populations,, and you know that there are financial impacts and so looking at it from all of those dimensions,, I think, begins to see..

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, a different story emerges,, so I think that community resilience and really understanding what that looks like is such a critical piece, and it's often prompted by some of these disasters that we see take place either in our region or in others. Yeah.

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Jerri miller:, you know one thing that just real quick on the texas story in terms of inequity, by.

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Jerri miller:, like poverty, the folks that couldn't get out of harm's way they couldn't get into a car,. They couldn't get out of their homes,. They couldn't find family that could shelter them.

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Jerri miller:, they didn't have a network of friends that had enough space to accommodate them in a warm environment,. I can see the same happening. A boulder in a situation of some catastrophe were suddenly that we recognize that there are people who are isolated.

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Jerri miller:, who have no place to go and that's where the city resources need to be directed not to those of us that have.

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Jerri miller:, a nice big home and family that live in another home elsewhere and another community we can go to. We can get a hotel room for six months and pay for it,. You know, no, that's not the problem, we're trying to protect those that don't have any of that yeah.

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Jerri miller: and wrapping where those folks are. jerri, miller: and then figuring out. What costs can we cover whatever if there's financial,, whatever it may be, as support to.

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Jerri miller: buy provided backstop, an insurance policy for them that we are their family, that they can be assured and don't have to be. Fretting about a consequence that they saw unfold in texas should never be something that a person is asleep. Over.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I'm going to go back in and pull out that recording. I love that the way you just said that it was so beautiful. Thank you.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: susan, I see your hand.

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Susan peterson: yeah, I just. susan peterson:, wanted to comment,. I think, part of the issue is just the way our organizational structure is set. Up,. You know, like right now,. If I'm not mistaken, our responsibility as a board is to.

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Susan peterson: give information and insight to city council when they asked us.

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Susan peterson:, so it's like each board has a responsibility to city council, but there's nothing in our organizational structure that creates any kind of matrix or intersection ality between the boards and so.

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Susan peterson:, you know, I think you know I've just been my own volition, attending the planning board meetings and reading a little bit about land use code and from my environment, with my environmental advisory board hat on I'm, like oh wow.,.

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Susan peterson: urban heat islands is one of the things we want to work on and this project looks like one giant urban heat island to me,. But I don't really have any kind of formalized way.

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Susan peterson: to speak up about that at planning board because I'm just as far as they're concerned, another member of the public.

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Susan peterson: and I'm sure, there's lots of other great. A great examples of that. You know, is our intersection with the transportation advisory board and the water resources board etc,, but there's no really.

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Susan peterson: organization or communication structure set up to facilitate that you know so I'd like to see that address.

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Brett kencairn:: this is one bit of feedback jonathan just about you asked a question earlier about the sort of breath versus depth as the steps, one of the ways to interpret what you asked and I think in my experience of these joined advisory board meetings. To.

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Brett kencairn: that both we have had it from the ebs perspective or that we've gone to. If say, transportation did advisory board did one.

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Brett kencairn: that the ones that are that try to cover too much end up feeling like they're sort of really nice conversations that don't really get much traction.

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Brett kencairn:, as opposed to the ones that choose a an issue or a few issues that are really salient as intersections and then can go. Deep.

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Brett kencairn:, so that would be the first bit of feedback and the second is,. I just want to again commend this board that it has taken on several issues, and, I think, has really advanced them in terms of the city's being aware of and working on them like air quality,, and I think air quality urban heat.

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Brett kencairn: sort of resilience,: these are our issues that don't really have a strong home yet, and that I think this board is kind of helping raise that set of issues for the for the organization.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: that the last comment sorry.

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Susan peterson: can, I add, to that.

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jonathan koehn, city of boulder: yes., susan peterson: okay,. I think it's great to have certain point in time, meetings when the boards get together,, but I also think it would be great if we had an organizational structure where it became more common for any board to say wow. I wonder.

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Susan peterson:, what they're doing about this in the transportation advisory, board.

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Susan peterson:, here's the mechanism between inner board meetings, here's a mechanism where we get on their agenda to talk about this, and maybe have two or three team members form,. You know a little working group or something,, but we just don't really have those mechanisms in place that are more.

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Susan peterson: matter malleable, you know not just like waiting for. Oh we're, gonna have some big board meeting,, where we all come together,, but rather facilitate communications in between.

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Msanclements:, like a regular communication channel, I think, could be pretty good.

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Brett kencairn:. I do think that this is the point, though,, where we have to be watchful of a line that that sort of delineate between an advisory board and an action group or a sort of task. Force.

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Brett kencairn: the advisory boards are not task forces that were formed to do specific things.

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Brett kencairn: they they were advisory bodies, set up to advise both counsel and staff. On the things that the city organization is trying to do.

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Brett kencairn:, and so I think we have been blurring that line, a little bit intentionally by encouraging, especially this board, to to be somewhat proactive,, but I do think we have to be watchful and jonathan. I guess I would look to you for a little bit more feedback on this particular issue.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, yeah well,. Let me just let me just say this: isn't I appreciate the way you kind of described it earlier in terms of the.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, the historic in some like traditional approach that we have utilized for boards to provide feedback and guidance to city council versus kind of the peripheral do of being able to inform one another mean when I say one another, that the the citizen boards and commissions,. So I just.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:- I guess I come down in a place that perhaps is is a little bit less traditional. I agree with you brett, though I think that some identifying some of these cross cutting issues.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: are critically important and allowing the boards to bring their expertise and kind of color in their particular part of some of these big community based issues.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, what I am sensing and feeling,, and this is why I perhaps and strain a little bit further, and what you just said: brett is,. I think we have a number of new directors in in the city.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, who are eager to try to do things a little less traditionally to say, well,, maybe just because that's the way we've done it. Maybe that doesn't need to be how we move forward and can we.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, maybe test and model, a different approach, and in some sense now we need to get it right and we need to.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: try hard to make sure that we're addressing some of the unintended consequences,, but what I am sensing in the conversations I've been part of our.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I think ones where we can come together in in a little bit different way, and I would really love to see away,- and I think brian is better very good champion here. To.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, to say you know how do we stretch a little bit? There are certain lanes that boards and commissions need to stay in,, but when can we perhaps maybe.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: ride the line, a little bit and when can we kind of support one another in a different way? I'm using the we and probably in effective way. We meaning like this board and that board and.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, so I think it's just some literacy building. It's the ability to kind of model, some different behaviors. Then at least I've experienced and I think, there's a willingness to do. That.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, so I don't have a great answer for you. Tonight, though I don't know what the exact question was, except to say.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I would,, I would look to perhaps some new opportunities in the coming months.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and that would be something that is maybe coming from city leadership coming from the city manager's office and maybe moving throughout the various boards and commissions. Looking for some new opportunities.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, and that's why that I think that's what prompted my response to all of you. Last are a couple of weeks: ago.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, just to say,, I want to make sure that that is sanction kind of across the organization and it doesn't look like one board- is trying to kind of push a new narrative and a new process and way of doing things. But I don't know if that answered your question. Necessarily I'm sorry.

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Brett kencairn: well, I do I do want to say one thing for the board, which is,, I think you would understand and probably already expect this but.

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Brett kencairn: as an organization,, we are extremely stretched right now I mean we had downsizing. We have.

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Brett kencairn:, we actually heard about a little bit more layoffs today from a certain department,. We have a hiring freeze, so there's a huge amount of fatigue and.

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Brett kencairn:, just you know, people are really at their edge,, and so what will not go over well is if people.

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Brett kencairn: keep identifying new issues that they're interested in seeing us do something about and we're having a really hard time staying on top of what we're doing.

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Brett kencairn:, so I would just be wanting to encourage the board. That's why these the letter to the council to to really say here's the things that we're going to be especially looking at.

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Brett kencairn:, that those are the kinds of things that I would say. Yes, let's watch for the interconnectedness and the crossover with other boards.

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Brett kencairn:, but if we start adding a whole bunch of new issues and something I think we should be working on this, it's going to not go well, just because of the stress within the organization to try to respond to what we're doing.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, that's a great addition: bread, I'm sorry, I kind of missed, missed the point of your your question,. I appreciate you,, adding that and I couldn't agree more.

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Susan peterson: can I make another comment or are actually it a specific suggestions so brett as you described it,, the role of the advisory board is to advise counsel and advice. Staff.

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Susan peterson: but again,. It seems to me just in listening to other board meetings that there are times when it would be appropriate for a board.

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Susan peterson: to ask another board for advice or for a board to advise. You know as I'm listening to planning board, I'm thinking.

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Susan peterson: gosh: why don't they ask the environmental advisory board or the transportation advisory board about the impacts of this? Instead of.

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Susan peterson:, the the hierarchy right now, is that that request would go through counsel or through staff.

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Susan peterson:, so to me, that's the missing leg and the three legged stool is that advisory boards can advise. City council and advisory boards can advise staff, but there's no mechanism for advisory boards to advise one another yeah.

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Brett kencairn: thank you,. I appreciate that I would just want to do,. I want to try to make a little bit of a differentiation.

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Brett kencairn: in this, maybe we could use the urban heat is a really good example. I think for three environmental advisory board to signal to the planning board that.

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Brett kencairn: urban heat is an issue that you believe is very significant and going to be more and more significant and that you think we need to be really looking at our mechanisms and capabilities as an organization to.

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Brett kencairn: consider and and incorporate that is one thing, and a very useful sort of signal. So oh,, then they, the the planning board, might say,. Well, that's interesting,! What do you have that you're doing around that, as opposed to.

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Brett kencairn: saying well,: we think that project that you're currently reviewing has an urban heat problem, and you need to talk to us about that project. We've been there a few times before, and that that will not go well.

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Susan peterson: yeah, I totally agree with you yeah.

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Brett kencairn:, so I'm sorry to belabor this or I don't think we're blaming. It is a really important point and there's no absolutely chris blinds on this,, and so I think, we'll continue to have these kind of conversations,, but I.

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Brett kencairn: I most of all,, I just want to say again,, I I so appreciate it, and I'm grateful for the passion and commitment that you as board members bring that you want to bring your best to this work into our community,. So thank you.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, ditto., brett kencairn:. So if we have,, I think any other probings and comments we want to give to jonathan before we let this poor man go.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, I love being here. It's it's. I really enjoy spending time with all of you.

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Brett kencairn:, some of you may know,. I inherited the environmental advisory board from jonathan.

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Justin brant: and you're, looking on who you can pass it off to.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, somewhat reluctantly,, but.,.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder: brett is a definite champion of this board,. So you have a good advocate. There.

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Jerri miller:, I heard you say jonathan. If you want to be with us, so can we put him on the board.

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Justin brant: sounds like a conflict.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, you don't want.

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Brett kencairn: imagine in his retirement jonathan, like really angling, for his opportunity to be on the environment, advice, oh.,.

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Yeah. carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, yeah., carolyn, elam, (she/her), city of boulder:. What happens when jonathan retires.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, yeah right, yeah., brett, kencairn:, all right, well,. We we are,, we are getting on in our evening. So let's let jonathan go and move on okay.

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Jonathan koehn, city of boulder:, thank you. All.

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Justin brant: thanks jonathan have a good night, thank you.

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Justin brant:. Okay, um so do you want to circle back to our quality, or should we move on to beneficial electrification, so we could also like carolyn.

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Justin brant: have some of her evening back.

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brett kencairn:. I think that would be a great idea to I do,. I do think if we were going to do that,, which is totally support. I do want to come back around because and.

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Brett kencairn: I'll give give give carolyn the choice here. Carolyn and I had been kind of tag teaming as staff around the south quality issue, because we don't have a clear mandate.

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Brett kencairn: or work plan item around this,. We do believe that it's important, I also support carolyn, getting a chance because she goes to a lot of late meetings too so, but I do want to come back to like next steps around the air quality piece so carolyn. What's your preference.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, I don't feel like I'm escaping so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: out that he's um you know I bring a different context around the air quality issue when we talk about beneficial electrification, so I don't know if that's.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, an input that you might want to want to take into your consideration in our discussions,, like I could do the quick presentation and then we could focus both on. You know the topics, I think.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, marion and collin have been very focused on around our out,. You know wildfire and other climate related events, as well. As.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. You know, I think this is the role buildings play,, both as in terms of their contributing role to air quality issues, as well as their opportunity to present say partnering during some of these climate related events, so.

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Brett kencairn:, I think I heard her say that you'd like to go ahead and give her.

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brett kencairn: presentation. If you felt.

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Justin brant: and then stick around.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, around yeah.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. As long as you promise adventure on a.

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Justin brant: I'm curious about your background.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, my background.

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Justin brant: no, not not work wise, just zoom zoom back.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, I mean. carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. I have a story,. There is a story.

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Justin brant: breaston, like would be.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: right,. You still have yours.

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Brett kencairn:, I do,, maybe I'll go get mine, while you're talking about yours.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, um so sadly on friday of last week,, bread and jonathan and I.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, I mean, it was a celebratory opportunity to thank one of our long term colleagues, for her many years of contribution to the city,, but it was her retirement party.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and it was care mertz. I think many of you know cara maria having lead our zero waste programs, as well as many other significant progress for the city.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and so, because of code,. You know we can't necessarily be together for our celebrations, and so one of our colleagues, managed to get pictures from throughout kara's home.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and when we launched our zoom party for her, we all had on our respective backgrounds from her home,. So I am in kerry's office.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and bred in cara's airstream.

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Brett, kencairn: and boy did it freak her out before she understood that we weren't actually there.

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Miriam hacker:, yeah funny.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. It is my my your faith background somehow likes me better at night.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, cara's, homes.

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Justin brant:, that's good! Well that yeah that's really clever and impressed, and I figured there was some sorry I was just confused,. I was like,. How is it dealing where she.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: is that one of those cans and backgrounds, you and my colleagues have things like beaches and such but.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: mine is paris,. This is our home office.

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Justin brant:. Well, that's great! I don't want to derail the conversation.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, with that you know,, we need to think about you, know, healthy and.

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Justin brant:, clean and healthy homes.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and so I do have a few slides on heidi, which is better for me to try and project or for you to do. It.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, okay at outstanding. I, like the solution.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and so,, heidi next slide I'll just go ahead and quickly go through this, so yeah. So thank you. Um.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah, I'm killing me the mind. The energy manager in our climate initiatives department and I wanted to talk a little bit about some of our strategies around our buildings on both in.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and in the context of electrification, but why electrification,? And so we frequently have talked about the role buildings play in emissions,, both in terms of our electricity consumption.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and gas consumption,, and so I just wanted to show you have kind of the changing landscape of admissions and where electrification, really.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: comes into play from the emissions perspective, so on the left, I have our current distribution of emissions from our inventories, which show you know,, the largest portion is electricity. That's still largely from buildings.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, but you know,. We know that you know recent announcements from excel our own community objectives around 100%. Renewable electricity is really tackle that electricity part.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and so I'm showing the chart on the right and more you'll appreciate the both the transportation component here,, as well as the natural gas.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, like this, is where the balance of our missions are going to come and where we really need to be focusing our programs and so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, natural gas use and buildings is, you know, close, not quite 50%, but it's a significant portion of our residual emissions that we need to tackle just to hit our targets next slide. Hiding.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, but as we come to appreciate- and I think brett's alluded to, and it's come up in our conversations with miriam buildings- play another contributing role to our..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: environmental challenges that we face, and I thought this study from california,. It was really fascinating to think about, because we don't typically think of our buildings as mentors.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and so california did this study and the support some of the things you've heard from them around their natural gas fans of really looking at the role of buildings and homes.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: as compared to power plants right, we think of power plants as significant mentors. We have.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: regulation in place to manage that,, and this study just shows you know how many more times the the buildings contributed their unregulated. The appliances operating in those buildings are not regulated from an.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: era, mission, standpoint, perspective and so they're really contributing significantly to a lot of our ozone issues we're seeing today. So even as we electrify our transportation sector,, we still have to concern ourselves with what we're doing in terms of our buildings it next slide.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so we wanted to just touch a little bit and I don't have a ton of slides,. I just wanted to tee this up,, so we could have conversation.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, but we're really tackling this from the city perspective from a number of different avenues.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: I'll talk a little bit more about our building codes that our communities committed to net zero building codes by 2031 for all new construction and major renovations, where.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know, major renovation, is like a home guide or a building complete renovation,. We have policy and regulatory for action in terms of.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, building performance goals, other considerations that we can talk, about.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. We also doing voluntary incentives to help our early adopters is they want to achieve our climate goals themselves and contribute to that.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and then I very clearly say to be determined,, because I think there's a lot of opportunity for us to mutually talk about. You know what those strategies and tactics to be going forward. I, the next slide.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so I'm going to talk about building codes and a little bit of background context for this, and how do you can go to the next slide is,? I know there's a.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: lot been a lot of conversation in our community recently and in the past, around the natural gas bands and what's been evolving in california, massachusetts and some other locations, around.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, outright banning natural gas infrastructure and new development, and we haven't gone there as a community yet and there's a few reasons for that. One is.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. You know if you really think about the material impacts, that those types of bands are having they're fairly limited.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, because what's your definition of new construction and new development in the terms of a community like boulder, where there's very little new development, space.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and so we're really talking about you know a few areas of redevelopment.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: that can be impacted by such a band and then I'm thinking about also where some of our other tactics are already getting us,. And so I wanted to just feature our residential building codes right, now.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and I apologize,. I have not updated this chart to show where we're at today,, but it is that orange line.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, our current building codes, energy, energy, folders energy conservation code is at that orange line where we are requiring net zero.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: for anything over 3000 square feet and for perspective, this is almost every new single family. Well, it actually is pretty much every single.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, new found, a single family home in boulder, that's been constructed, has to be net zero. So one of the nuances- and we point to this line around the.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: 20 and the left side is showing you the what's called the her scores are the.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: energy use per square footage kind of metric when you get crossing over that line at 22nd. Piece comes into play,, which is our interconnection rolls around solar,. So the way you get to net zero as you put enough solar on your home to offset the energy use within your home, right.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. As soon as you kind of cross that 20 threshold,, you have to essentially to electrify your appliances,, because you can't put in a large enough.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: solar system, under our current limitations, to offset that natural gas us,, and so what we've seen as we've been evolving. This code.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: in the prior one, I'm still showing the 2017, which was when the code was introduced about 50% of our new construction. Single family homes were going in with all electric heating and cooling,, so we were already making that transition and driving it simply through this..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: performance based metric around how much energy that home, could you,. So I think that's really important,. So our code is really already affecting kind of the change we want and we're still allowing people.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and I think this is an important thing. We talked about the air quality issue. The indoor air quality should be still been, allowing people to choose gas as a.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: as a feature in their homes,, not for their heating and cooling right. So from a mission standpoint, we're really tackling that big greenhouse gas meter, which is your furnace and your water here.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, but we've been allowing people to retain the stove within their home,, which is the biggest source of indoor air quality..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: concerns, so I'm really thinking about how we're going to evolve, the coach and merge those two goals about addressing the indoor outdoor air quality issues with our greenhouse emissions goals. It's related to that so just wanted to lay some background there, heidi next slide.

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Jerri miller: carolyn before you go to the next slide. May I ask a question.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:- please refrain that. Please interrupt me at any point in time, this is meant to be a dialogue.

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Jerri miller:- and I should know this better. You know I play enough in fringes of this problem.

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Jerri miller:, but I often stumble over what net zero really means, what is being measured? What was actually accomplished.

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Jerri miller:, like some folks, might say,. Well, you know you have an electric car,. So if electric cars energize through a grid, that's all renewable. That's you know: zero energy, zero emissions,! If you will.

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Jerri miller: however, the life cycle,, so the car is built so before you begin plugging in in the construction of them,, the construction of the home,, the implementation of solar panels that involves use of energy. So where do we start measuring the net? Zero bonus of this.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, yeah marty. That's a great that's a really great training question,. So the way our code is currently structured is around the annualized usage piece of the operational energy only.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so it's the modeled consumption for that building as it's being used for its construction. What it's showed us in terms of what it's modeled envelope is, and it's appliance usage.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, compared to how much itself generates that's that's how we define it zero in our building codes within our roadmap,, though we're really recognizing the lifestyle more of the life cycle impact. So really thinking about how we're going to.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: in the next code, styles sale cycle start to introduce some of these broader concerns around what we call them body carbon.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so thinking about the materials of construction thinking about the technology choices we haven't introduced that into the current code.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, but it is work and you're starting to see those types of codes emerging and places like vancouver seattle,, where they're really talking more about the lifecycle carbon at the building,, which includes both the the materials of construction,, as well as the operational energy.

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Jerri miller: very helpful, thank you.

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Susan peterson: aaron and I have a question., carolyn, elam (she/her), city of boulder:, oh yes,, absolutely so., susan peterson:. It's it's probably a stupid question,, but I think I heard you say the limitations on the amount of solar that we can put on a house limit kind of how much electrification we can do is that the hundred and 20% limit.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, that is correct,. So when we refer to the hundred and 20% limit,. But the nuance that comes into play, is that..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you can only oversize your undercurrent regulation and I know we have some conversations in the community about changing that and will backstop our code just to rest assured, on that one um but.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, the current limitations that you can over only oversized your system by about 20%. That's enough to cover your gas fireplace your.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: gas cooktop, but it's not enough to cover your water heater and your furnace, and so that's really the piece that has driven.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, the kind of transition that we've seen in our community,, so the much higher heat pump, adoption, electrification and- and I will say, of the homes that have gone in with all electric heating.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, um it's about 50% of those who still put in like put in place the gas line for the purposes of the stove. You know the the thing we value is the elite thermidor cooktop and the gas fireplace, so people are still choosing to put those in.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so it's certainly address like I said, our.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, major greenhouse gas emissions in happen, not necessarily some of the things we're talking about in terms of air quality, all right.

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Susan peterson: so part of part of my ignorance,, but I thought that 120% was related to your previous years use,. You know when I put solar on my house,. It was related to how much electricity I using the previous year,. So how does that work in new construction.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, that's what the model usage is going to be, so you submit a load calculation to the utility based,. So the same thing you have to do under our code to to show what's your.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: energy usage is going to be used, submit to the utility. So if you do not have a prior year or your materially changing so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know,. We have this with many folks who were electrifying their existing homes,. They can get a modeled estimate of what their usage would be in. The utility will accept that, as representative of their annualized usage.

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Susan peterson: okay,, so I guess what I don't understand: is, if you included an electric furnace and electric hot water heater in your modeling.

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Susan peterson: then,, that would be your 100% so,. How does the hundred and 20% limit you.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, um so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: 120% is based on your model,, the electricity. So let's take the counter to what you asked. So if you are planning to put in gas furnace and a cast water heater,, which is the typical baseline of what people construct today outside of boulder yeah. So just if you think about our our.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, national building codes and where they drive you today, it's a high efficiency, gas, furnace and water here.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, when the utility determines how much solar, you can put on it's on the balance of your electrical loads.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and from a net zero perspective, we're converting your gas usage, to a total energy consumption,, and so you can't put a big enough solar system to offset that gas usage, specifically in.

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Susan peterson: your. susan peterson: modeling, basically doesn't the button. The modeling basically doesn't allow you to model.

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Susan peterson: and electric harness and.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah. So, if you're putting in an electric furnace in a an electric water heater and you model that you can size your solar system exactly right to meet that and that when.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: 120%, gives you enough cushion to still have some gas appliances in your own was really because those appliances, your furnace and your water heater, consumes so much energy if they aren't electric. You just can't put enough solar on based on the regulation.

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Susan peterson: thank you,. You bet.

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carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. So how do you next slide? So I'm going to just talk briefly about what we're doing on the commercial side.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so largely our commercial code, has been very prescriptive in nature, and what we did this year is train on this past year. Was.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: transition to a similar structure as the residential code,, which is a performance based code.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and so,, as we ratchet that performance requirement down you're, going to see the same thing happening on the commercial side that we just discussed on the residential side, where.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, your performance requirement is so stringent, it favors and all electric construction.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and moves away from gas, and so that's that was our first step towards a similar model for commercial construction,. As we see on residential.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, the other thing I'll comment is: we've now introduced the requirement,, a minimum requirement of solar installed with the idea being that you know, if you have to get 5%.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, solar on to cover at least 5% of your load, you're, going to take the incremental steps to add more panels, and then we have.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, already electric and electric ready requirements on the transportation side, so requirements in our commercial code about building out infrastructure for charging.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and our intent is through the next code cycle to provide similar requirements,, both in residential commercial for heating and cooling and so,. Even if it's not an all electric construction,, ensuring the infrastructure is there for the conversion at a later date.

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Jerri miller: carolyn a quick question how,. What are the incentives that you're, considering in convincing a property owner to go all electric in your building, as opposed to gas,, which is running very cheap at this time, but, of course, defeats the purpose of the environmental concerns.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah, so the first step with this code is um there's certain types of buildings and certain types of construction projects where we don't have.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: energy use per per square foot target and in which they have to go through the prescriptive path, meaning they have to meet a certain performance requirement for like the envelope or other components..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and what we did is, if you have an all electric construction under this current code on your requirements that you have to hit or less stringent,. So you only have to be a lower percentage about code, minimum.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, if it's all electric and much higher one, if it's it's gas, so that's the first incentive is that if you choose all electric, you have more flexibility and can go slightly. Less.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: efficient, is still I mean I don't want to represent that, as you know, energy hogs right there still above code minimum, but it's it's easier and there's also some other components around there. Around.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know,, we envision.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: considerations be made for buildings that are going to strive for net zero ahead of schedule for certain allowances,. So I think your castle talked last night about.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, oh, and blanking on the term but.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. You know what are the trade offs that builders are willing to do for certain.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: alleviation, zip codes,. We talked about it, a lot in the height limitations,, but there's other requirements,, where we may allow different choices to be made as an alternative to meet our code. If they're taking a tactic that aligns with our roadmap.

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Jerri miller: thanks early early impressions are the incentives, working.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, um so it's interesting.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: cohen, has kind of mess with our ability to really track how much traction we're getting that. I think what we're seeing on the commercial side is a lot of multi families about 50% of our multi. Families are going in all electric.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and that's not because the code is easier,, but rather well. It's not because of the incentives, we put into the code,, but rather the cost effectiveness of building all electric.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, within the constraints of our code, is better for multifamily buildings at this point,. You know so we're strange enough on multifamily and when you think about happy to provide in unit heating and cooling, we're seeing a lot of.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: builders and developers, shoes and all our construction in fargo that gas infrastructure so they're saving that cost of the gaps build out in favor of kind of the diversity, they get in that the better in unit service delivery. They get from an all electric selection.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, great next slide, hiding.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:: this is just our roadmap, you'll see it and we talked to it,. So we do have this plan to prepare updated codes every few years,. So our next cycle.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: we're a little. This is when we start working on it,. The code gets introduced slightly after, but with the idea that by 2031 the building should.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: produce as much energy as it's consuming. So that's the roadmap and again what we're seeing is once you get below a certain threshold and we haven't modeled it yet,, but we know it's there. It's going to drive and all electric selection.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, but at least for heating and cooling and in commercial buildings, there's little reason to put gas in if it's not for heating and cooling, unless it's.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: read something like a restaurant type, application right.

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Jerri miller: is a pd means photovoltaic on the slide.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: right, yes., jerri, miller: yeah. No, that's fine! So does the pv source, have to be related to the building in proximity,, or can they be buying.

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Jerri miller: molecules from afar.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so under our code first us maximize the use of your available space as your first means so on site rooftop system. If you are limited.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so let's say you just don't have enough roof area or you're in a shaded area or an orientation. That's not favorable. Or.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know,, we know if some of our taller buildings are limited.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, your next choices to procure from off site,, whether it's a solar garden, renewable connect. To me, we allow that.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, if you can't achieve that so meaning there's not a subscription available or capacity within that you can pay into the fund.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, which we then reinvest largely in low income programs. So to some of the earlier conversations we have this energy impact offset fund, where.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: in lieu of code compliance,, both in our smart regs that are building codes, as well as our marijuana.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: industry,, they can pay in, and we do use that for low low income, solar garden, subscriptions efficiency for low income housing so trying to achieve a similar impact,, but through a different segment of our community.

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Jerri miller: to get that larger offset by 2031. Is that going to be occurring through these alternate means because, after all,, the building footprints are not going to change dramatically in terms of their construct and how many panels can supply a offsetting of the usage.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so in principle and we've modeling eat for a typical commercial soliciting, a commercial office space building and looking at some of the ones we have out at boulder junction, which are net zero. At this point.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, where the technology is going on, efficiency,. You should be able to do it on site,. I think,. If you get up to four stories or really high density, that's that's where we might see some procurement off site, or, if you're, an industrial building.

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Jerri miller:. Well, I'm impressed, I did not know that, like,, I mean,. I have a house, yet not quite 2000 square feet and I've got a 4.6 kilowatt system. I've had it on the roof for 15 years. It's probably only 75% as effective as it used to be. I'm all electric.

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Jerri miller:, but I don't offset all of my usage,, I might have hog, I don't have the thermostat high, I don't have a seat,, I have a swamp cooler and I.

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Jerri miller:, most of my room spaces use. I couldn't meet that goal,, so I'm surprised that these new buildings with the systems that exist, can do it, I'm I'm very happy to hear that.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah, so it's all about on globe and.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know, thinking about where we lose a lot, is, is truly in the envelope, and so, as we tighten up that envelope and we make.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, better choices in our appliances and efficiency,. We can maximize your space now. I I don't want to portray that every home in boulder.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: is going to work because more because of shading and orientation like we know as we get into some smaller lots. If we think about future redevelopment.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, there's more lots that are oriented in ways that this isn't going to work quite as well for and we'll see some also purchase,, but with the grid emissions also declining if we're driving towards electric or similarly accomplishing the same thing..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: thank you,, but yeah like the the older comments on buildings,. Those are net zero by design and we're seeing more and more of that being constructed as proactive by the builders.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, great next slide, hi.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, um but which brings us to the challenge right,. So I alluded to the fact that.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: there's not a lot of new development space we, I mean we see some redevelopment and other opportunities,, but to hit our goals in terms of both emissions and.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: air quality concerns we have to tackle our existing building stock and there's a lot of challenges to that. So just a few highlights heidi next slide.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and if you can work through the animation on this one heidi, I think there's a.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: thank you,. There is that's perfect so, though, back my friend and colleague brad can karen did an analysis based on so his experience,, and so I attribute these numbers to him,, but I think is really representative and this..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: took a typical home and boulder that's gone through a electrification, so retrofit.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know, making sure that we're tightening the envelope of the home through better insulation, air sealing.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: with our contractor markets. Today it doesn't matter if you're putting in a conventional air, air, conditioner furnace or a heat pump. It's very expensive.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, so you know, happened to replace your heating appliance and can be on the order of $20,000 or more,, depending on the complexity of your home..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, if you want to get the economics to really work,, so it favors you you're saving money with your electrification, choice, putting your seller on. You know the ideal is.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: solution is the self contained home of a proud $38,000 and,, as we know, even for our fluent members of our community. That's a big price tag.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: to undertake and make a choice,. Do you put your kids through college for a year, or do you electrify your home.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, and if we think about the 18,000 single family homes in in boulder, you know that's a price tag of 680 $4 million right. So it's not like the government's going to be able to pay for that either, and so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: really,, tackling that is our number one priority, and how do we remove that up front barrier to capital for for people, who.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, regardless of where they are in their choice, so they're at the end of equipment like on their existing equipment or there a climate leader and want to make that change. Now.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. How do we get rid of that upfront barrier in terms of the 30,000 or more dollars, that they have to invest.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, because that's that's a challenge, like I said, for even are fluent numbers now think about equity.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and people who don't necessarily even have that capital of begin with they don't have the credit to take out a loan or their renters or other community members,. And so what we've been very focused on last year and will continue this year. Is this idea of removing.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, the financing of these types of projects from the individual and applying it to the home,. So I think many folks have been around and heard of earlier programs called pace. Finding financing,, which is property, assessed clean energy, where they were, you could get the loan,, but it was.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: allocated through property taxes to the premises or the the home itself. So if you sell the home,, the idea was that that the people who were continuing to get the benefit of your investment, we continue paying for it.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: and there's a different form of financing. That's been emerging that actually ties it to your utility meter and so tariff based on bill financing as a term that you may hear, and the idea is that, as a utility or a private investor..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, the cost of that conversion would be covered and then the repayment of that financing would occur through your utility bills. There's models,, where you know your repayment is less than what you're actually saving, and so your net benefit is there and so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: we,, in partnership with some of our neighboring communities, did a study. Last year, there's been some initial conversation around.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, regulatory or legislative pathways to introduce this,, but this is,, I think, really, the game changer that we as a community need is to get this alternative financing mechanism in place. Similarly, if we think about.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, most homes aren't designed for all electric right now. So there's a utility component to this of upgrading that infrastructure same kind of model and we've seen early progress from our utilities on the vehicle, electrification, side, so.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, some recent adoption there,, so we think we have traction in the coming years, to introduce this,. So this is,, you know in my bucket list, this is,. This is the thing I most hope to accomplish is a city of boulder employee. Before I.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: hit my retirement, but hopefully sooner,, because I think it's really a really important thing for us.

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Jerri miller: carolyn can I throw out a example of a cross cutting concerned for an ab.

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Jerri miller: here we've got this great.

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jerri miller: panels on rooftops great system and we're putting them on all the rules, all right super climate change,, the climate is becoming more volatile.

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Jerri miller: there's studies that speak to increasing summertime, thunderstorm intensity that produces larger hailstorms.

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Jerri miller:, so we haven't had one in boulder. Lately it's been a while. We have had some outlying communities, colorado, springs, and so forth. In denver.

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Jerri miller:, if a major hailstorm were to sweep through boulder with an installed pv on rooftops, what might be the damage and what might be due to our energy infrastructure,. It was wiped out by hailstorm.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah,, so I will liken you to the hell storm that came through, and I want to say it was two or three years ago um so lightly lightly, hip older,, but in more significantly, hit our neighboring communities.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, lewisville longmont to louisville lafayette did some significant damage in that area. I'm.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, an interesting thing is, is the pv largely when unscathed. There were some damage to one or two panels,, but not total loss,. The system, which is you know, I think, speaks to the resilience of.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: the work that the developers have had to do in in firming up those systems and really submitting them to this climate impacts,. I think the more notable thing we saw that I would like into is less like that physical damage.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, our fires. carolyn elam, (she/her), city of boulder:, that hit this past fall and took a significant impact on our on our solar production. As a community.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know,. We it that kind of particulate matter really impacts. Our.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, solar installation, and so what's normally a good production time for our community was definitely significantly down, so we think hires. We are certainly expecting to see lots of production,. I think that's where diversity.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, in how we deploy these is important, storage,, as well as just thinking about the interplay with the grid as a just.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, a mechanism for dispatching distributed assets from other parts of the state,, and so I think you know, for example, excel file. Their clean energy.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: announcement earlier this week. I'm noting that a significant portion of that will be made up with distributed assets, and I think that is the concept is that..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. We don't want to just rely on one single large centralized and we don't necessarily want to rely just solely on single distributed assets,, because we are going to see these types of climate impacts. Interesting.

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Jerri miller:, but to fire,, do you have a rough number? What you estimate the shielding effective.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, we haven't gotten to see all the data,, yet it was one of the things we became aware of. It is the city just installed a bunch of systems and we were getting ready to in energized, and we had to have like seven consecutive days, of.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, good solar installation to to basically qualify the system months.

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Jerri miller: yeah yeah, I mean I watched my system,. I could. I could see the shielding effect taking you know, kilowatt hours out of my purse, if you will, and off the grid, so yeah no you're right I'd, be curious to know what the integrated effect was on a community. That's very good point.

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Justin brant:, for how marty, I think, need they're designed to withstand at least golf ball. Size, you know.

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Justin brant: yeah right. If you get bigger than that, may you might see some damage like carolyn says,? Usually it's not the whole system. That's like a panel or two.

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Justin brant: but yeah. I remember I install the system on my house like right after that major storm and the installer were showing me pictures of you know, a couple of some of their installs. It's been damaged, that they were repairing.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, yeah, surprisingly, like there's a few, but like if you looked at it, compared to the cars with their windows on our inner.

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Justin brant: yeah exactly are like that. Every house need in jeff cohn needed a new roof in some neighborhoods that you know they're made out of glass but they're. Actually, surprisingly, strong and they're designed to withstand a lot of these.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah, they are,, and I would also point out that their systems, who.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: survived the hurricanes as well.

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carolyn, elam (she/her), city of boulder: so,. If you think about florida.

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carolyn, elam, (she/her), city of boulder:, georgia, there's some very large systems deployed in that region, and they were not the thing that went on offline during some of those major hurricanes.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, bigger problem for them is probably been underwater rather than..

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Justin brant:: well, we've got nine minutes left in our schedule,, so this is great carolyn but.

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Justin brant: sounds, like seems like we shouldn't, try to hurry, along.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah, absolutely, and I think I'm heidi next slide.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: um yeah, so just some other priorities. I just talked about workforce development,, making sure we have the supply chain in place and then heidi. I think the next one is just.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, salary and equity, so just to this point.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:. We do know that a lot of our community members currently don't have access to clean or adequate heating,. We talked a little bit, a while ago, about.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, the need for you know, the opportunity for good indoor, air quality ventilation associated with heat pumps,, but being very cognizant that many of these folks are already experiencing a significant energy burden. So whatever we do, needs to take that into account and center. That fact, that.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, you know, 10% of colorado residents currently are overly burdened by their energy costs,, and I think that was my last slide.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, it was.

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Justin brant: great thank you. Does anyone have questions for carolyn, though? Let's try to keep it brief.

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Justin brant: all right,, alright um yeah. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk about this,. I know.

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Justin brant:, you know, there's some aspirin council. They get back to them. Kind of know have time today to really dig into that. So that might be something you guys need to take up in the next meeting or meeting after that, as a board.

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Susan peterson: of debt, financing idea carolyn, and can we get a copy of this presentation.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: yeah, I sent it to I used to she can send it out as a pdf to everyone.

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Susan peterson: thank you, thanks, so much.

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Justin brant: yeah I'd love to hear what you guys are doing on the workforce development side,, but I think there's a maybe that maybe that's another conversation.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, absolutely.

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Justin brant: um but yeah. I agree on the financing,. He said exciting unnecessary.

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Justin brant: um.

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Justin brant: okay, well,, it seems like there is,. You know. We only have seven minutes left in our schedule, and I'd like to my last meeting is chair. Keep us on at least a german on time.

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Justin brant:, so I don't know if we want to try to quickly deal with the air quality piece or put it off until next month. Folks have, I guess I don't know brett and miriam how.

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Justin brant:, how long you think that'll take. It seems like a pretty big topic.

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Miriam hacker: so the,. The idea is to continue the conversation with the county and and keep bringing our ideas forward to them and work as a partner with them on bringing results to the city and.

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Miriam hacker:, I didn't have any idea that the m and the students were working on stuff for the city and it's really exciting to see that there's you know student thought going into hopefully interesting, solutions.

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Miriam hacker: for for the city, um but yeah, I don't know what about timing brett and I actually don't even know what the timing is for for collins group to.

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Miriam hacker: keep moving forward as well,. The goal in my eyes is to have some sort of action before the wildfire season, starts, and so,. If we need to wait till next month to address it, that's fine but we're cutting it. Close.

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Justin brant: yeah, I mean,. I think it would be great if I think it's been great, that you and staff and eb have been pushing this and it seems like it's actually moving forward and yeah, to the extent it'd be great to build on that momentum, then.

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Justin brant: now let it drop.

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Miriam hacker:, so I mean. miriam hacker:, go ahead.

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Brett kencairn: margaret mary.

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Miriam hacker:, I was just gonna, say I can quickly go through the talking points that I sent to brett and carolyn and that we were going to bring forward to the county.

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Miriam hacker: and, and whatever next meeting we had, I definitely would like your guys's input or and or approval of those talking points,, and so I could go through that quickly. Before we adjourn in the next five minutes.

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Brett kencairn:, what I was going to suggest miriam is our. Is there anything in the talking points that you think is especially time sensitive that we should have these raise tonight.

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Brett kencairn: and then I think carolyn, I think,. Maybe it would be good if you and miriam and I could set up a call to to work through kind of some next steps, and then I think and also perhaps talk about what roles or actions, we might want.

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Brett kencairn: to engage with beyond this so, but is there anything miriam that you see that we want to especially highlight from those talking points.

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Miriam hacker:, so what I found super interesting about the presentations that was that were given during in the regional meeting with that many of the cities are using these air sensors to supplement.

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Miriam hacker:, whatever data they're collecting with the more robust monitoring systems,, and I believe that having a network of the sensors in boulder will help us have a more clear picture of impacts, to the community on a relatively inexpensive basis..

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Justin brant:, it seems like the city, can have a role in trying to get people interested in buying those. I don't know, there's a lot of darks here in boulder.

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Miriam hacker: absolutely bad,. I think.

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Justin brant:, if they knew that it would be helpful to the city, and you know that they could see you know we're seeing their data being at least displayed on their site would be interested in shelling out there,. I don't.

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Miriam hacker: remember.

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Miriam hacker: a couple more like., miriam hacker:. You know another thought I had was, you know just put them at every school,. You know and get the kids involved with you know,. Looking at the data and learning from this,, you know.

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Brett kencairn: yeah,, so I think there's a bunch of really good stuff here,. I think, part of the other thing. I want to really dig into with this board is.

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Brett kencairn:, it's one thing to have the data and it's another thing for the most vulnerable populations to have some way of accessing it. That they're going to use.

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Brett kencairn: right,, so I think we need- and it might be, that we need to do some user testing or user engagement around. How would this information once it's being gathered somehow? Is it alerts that go to people's.

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Brett kencairn: phones and that people in those neighborhoods then can get sign up, so they don't have to go to a website to look,. You know what I'm saying: right.

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Miriam hacker:, but I mean you guys, have initiate a conversation with denver people, the love, my air people and, and I think we can learn from them and and gain. I mean potentially resources from them as well.

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Miriam hacker:, I think, that's to be seen. Yeah yeah.

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Brett kencairn:: well, let's, let's do this! I we have time next month, next month,. I should just note for everybody, we will and I'll just say this very quickly. We we.

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Brett kencairn: need to sit through email. We, we will be coming back to you with a draft of the memo and the climate action framework next month. You'll be the first and only board to see that ahead of a council, session.

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Brett kencairn:, it is not intended to be the final point,. I just want to make sure that we emphasize that point.

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Brett kencairn:, even when we take it to counsel so, but I think we should be able to schedule some time in next month's meeting to continue this topic. And so maybe carolyn you and miriam. And I can t up with how to really bring this forward and efficient way..

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder: check my messages, I think, to the board. Is you know we typically think of this as the county role,, and so I think, helping to.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, advise council and us on where the city's nexus is within. That, I think, is, is really the critical.

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Carolyn elam (she/her), city of boulder:, I think, there's a lot of things we can do,. I think, making sure that we're hearing from you as to how we differentiate those roles, I think, will be really important.

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Brett kencairn: yeah, and I don't know that it's well,. I think that this board has been saying this,. I just encourage you to keep saying it. That.

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Brett kencairn: really emphasizing,. How is it that we're going to figure out who is most vulnerable, and how are we going to make sure that we reach them with both the information and the support they need it in this next sequence of fire and smoke, occurs.

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Brett kencairn: and that's the thing that keeps me up at night is,. Are we doing the things that are going to be necessary to really be.

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Brett kencairn:, enabling most of those folks to be ready for this, because it is going to happen, and we know it.

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Jerri miller:- and this is back to jonathan's- I guess- focus on resilience and vulnerability,, so we can all be equally vulnerable. Let's say to a fire sweeping across the city.

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Jerri miller:, but only a small fry. Almost certain fraction are resilient to bouncing back from that right,, so the vulnerability may be equal,, but the resilience is the one where the inequities begin to show,, because the resources aren't there to recover.

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Brett kencairn: yeah. jerri miller: community loses its its capacity to stay community. If there's a large hole, a large gap in resilience part,, I think, more so than in the vulnerability part.

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Brett kencairn:, I agree with you marty,, but I do think we have to differentiate between our threats. Here.

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Brett kencairn: air quality does not necessarily destroy structures when it moves through,, but it does it does it erode health.

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Brett kencairn: yeah that what we know is especially in in frontline communities. It's that gradual long term erosion of health. That's really the most damage that that's that's the really damaging part of that factor.

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Jerri miller:, I agree: yeah we're talking different hazards. yeah. jerri, miller: yep, very good.

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Brett kencairn: well,. I want to honor our chair for taking us to the end and to the time and justin thanks again.

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Jerri miller: we'll miss you this week at a farewell address like george washington.

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Jerri miller:, if you want to warn us against entangled alliances with other boards.

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Justin brant: I'm going to stay out of that one notch say: keep up the good work,. I think, in my.

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Justin brant:, it's been great to see.

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justin brant:. I think the board become a more meaningful body and have more of an impact, and even in the three years I've been on it,. So I just encourage you guys to keep moving in that direction,. I think it's. It seems like there's a lot going on and going to be exciting. Few years.

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Heidi joyce: and also,, I just wanted to let you know,, to check your email. um Is. There should be a gift card in your know.

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Justin brant: wow, I didn't expect this. justin brant: to have to record it.

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Justin brant: thank you, city of boulder.,.

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Jerri miller: fully installed solar system replaced.

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Justin brant: $18,000.

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justin brant: for my home.

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Miriam hacker:, and then we have a new, a new member coming next month.

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Brett kencairn:, we don't know who it is yet. So you know we'll let you know.

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Justin brant: but yeah, I'm sorry. We don't get to do this in person,, but hopefully I'll continue to run into everyone around town.

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Jerri miller: definitely see you. alright.

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Justin brant: have a great night.