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B
C
D
Nay,
so
now
there's
the
thing
I'd
like
to
add
to
the
agenda
and
that's
I
would
like
us
to
discuss
under
new
business,
whether
we're
cool
with
the
person
being
appointed
to
replace
Leonard
being
in
March
when
new
people
be
appointed
generally
for
boards
or,
if
we'd
like
to.
Let
council
know
that
we'd
like
it
as
soon
as
possible,
that
could
that
be
an
item
got
it
Thanks,
pinnacle.
C
A
B
B
E
H
It
basically
costs
fifty
bucks
a
day
to
live
in
Boulder.
These
are
the
simple
facts.
You
might
call
it
short-term
rentals
or
something,
but
that's
what
what
it
costs
to
live
here
and
to
to
not
be
addressing
the
developers
that
are
putting
a
hotel
on
the
hill
for
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
parking
spaces.
H
Which
was
this
was
supposed
to
be
about
site,
review
and
use
review,
and
a
zoning
change
and
zan
said
that
is
all
you
can
address
to
the
public.
The
whole
meeting
was
practically
taken
over
what
people
talking
about
affordable
housing
and
the
poor
seniors
and
the
hundred
units
that
Gary
that
from
the
Academy,
was
proposing
for
his
off-site
proposal,
which
is
not
ever
defined
until
you
actually
get
the
proposal
going
through
now
the
proposal
was
approved,
but
mark
resum
changed
his
mind.
H
You
might
remember
this
crystal
in
2000
on
the
housing
I
mean
on
the
homeless,
shelter
and
it's
possible
for
people
to
change
their
minds
again.
This
is
a
disaster,
the
fire
potential
for
up
there
and
people
getting
in
and
out
with
cars
with
people.
You
know
ambulances
coming
in,
and
people
coming
out
that
are
that
are
seniors
that
are
frail.
H
This
is
utterly
ridiculous:
I,
listen
to
Karen,
McClaren
comments,
she's
from
the
Rockefeller
Foundation
and
resilience,
and
and
it's
remarkable
what
she
said
and
what
the
council
wrote
it
on
after
that
landslides
in
Jackson
Hole,
you
know
from
when
you
down
trees
or
take
out
trees
and
those
trees
are
on
my
open
space.
I
have
purchased
with
my
friends
and
those
trees
are
not
gonna
go
down
over
my
dead
body,
so
they
can
get
fire
insurance.
They
need
to
back
their
project
off
so
that
they
are
defensible.
Space
is
within
the
footprint,
that's
necessary.
H
This
is
just
unacceptable
to
have
then
Gary
the
first
time
he
comes
up
with
deliberations
after
the
first
meetings
gone
to
12:30
in
the
morning.
Mason
was
there
you
know,
and
we
can't
decide
this
late.
You
know
so.
Then
we
move
it
ahead
to
alway
use
an
ad
use
got
pushed
ahead.
That's
a
citywide
issue
up
for
affordable
housing,
there's
no
time
for
anything,
because
the
City
Council
is
doing
the
wrong
thing
and
doing
the
wrong
thing.
H
B
K
Good
evening
board
members,
my
name
is
Carl
gallery
I'm
with
the
city
planning
department,
I'm
working
with
Phil
Kleiser
on
the
community
benefit
land-use
code
change
project.
So
we
wanted
to
present
our
progress
and
just
an
overall
overview
of
the
project
to
the
housing
advisory
board
to
just
get
some
feedback
as
we
move
forward,
we're
gonna
be
stopping
in
with
Planning
Board
at
the
beginning
of
August
and
then
City
Council
at
the
end
of
August
to
receive
input
as
we
move
forward.
So
tonight
we're
just
going
to
do
a
basic
project
background.
K
Try
to
you
up
to
speed
talk
about
the
process.
That's
currently
underway.
We're
gonna
talk
about
the
engagement
next
steps
of
the
project,
and
then
we've
presented
some
questions
to
the
board.
We've
provided
a
memo
that
includes
that
content,
so
just
to
bring
the
board
up
to
speed
on
the
project
and
just
kind
of
the
background
of
the
development
review
process.
K
The
issue
of
community
benefit
has
come
up
for
a
number
of
years
in
the
community
on
planning
board
and
council
and
members
of
the
of
the
community,
particularly
with
site
review
projects
in
those
where
there
are
buildings
that
are
building
over
the
zoning
district
maximums.
So
that's
why
we're
working
on
this
just
to
give
some
background
context.
Prior
to
1971,
there
wasn't
actually
a
height
limit
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
based
on
some
buildings
that
were
were
going
up,
particularly
of
that
era.
K
1960S
early
1970s,
the
the
senior
center
that's
up,
the
street
caused
concern
loss
of
views
incompatible.
It
led
to
a
referendum
that
led
to
the
55
foot
height
limit
that
we
now
have
that's
in
the
city
charter
and
since
that
time
the
city
has
been
processing
what
we
call
height
modifications
through,
what's
called
the
site
review
process.
Now,
basically,
it
allows
requests
above
the
zoning
district
maximum,
which
is
typically
35
feet
in
most
of
the
city.
In
some
cases
it's
38
feet
or
40
feet.
K
But
when
you
go
above
that,
you're
in
a
height
modification
process-
and
you
can't
go
above
55
feet,
but
when
you
get
into
a
hype
modded,
it
requires
Planning
Board
review
and
you
have
to
meet
the
the
detailed
site
review
criteria
that
are
in
the
code.
There
is
no
real
specific
criteria
related
to
height
modifications.
It
really
just
says
that
you
have
to
meet
certain
qualitative
standards
in
your
project
and
show
that
you're
compatible
with
adjacent
buildings
and
and
neighborhoods
to
get
approval.
So
that's
been
of
concern
and
leading
up
tonight.
2015.
K
There
were
concerns
about
some
of
these
buildings
that
have
been
and
the
amount
of
buildings
going
up
in
the
communities
that
led
to
some
ordinances
that
were
passed
by
council
to
restrict
where
in
the
city,
you
can
actually
ask
for
these
height
modifications.
So
we're
talking
about
you
know
downtown
a
portion
of
North
Boulder,
uni
hill,
around
29th
Street,
a
couple
limited
areas
like
the
hospital
Fraser,
Meadows
and
gun
barrel
are
on
that
list.
Right
now,
there's
a
map
that
shows
where
you
can
request
height
modifications.
K
It
also
states
that,
under
certain
circumstances,
you
can
ask
for
a
height
modification
if
more
than
40%
of
your
floor
area
is
permanently
affordable,
housing
and
then
it
sets
up
a
couple.
Other
scenarios
in
like
industrial
district,
so
I
won't
go
into
too
many
details.
That
ordinance
has
been
in
effect
since
2015
and
has
been
renewed
twice
by
Council,
so
it
was
recently
renewed
by
Council
in
June,
so
that
is
valid
until
May,
31st
2020.
C
K
K
So
as
far
as
the
the
general
process,
we
have
four
steps
up
on
the
screen,
so
we're
we're
basically
in
the
process
of
identifying
community
benefits
and
exploring
them
further.
We
have
a
pretty
good
list
right
now,
we're
also
looking
at
what
the
triggers
would
be,
so
it
could
be
it'll
likely
be
height,
mod
vacation,
but
we're
also
looking
at
some
other
options.
So
I'll
talk
up
a
little
bit
about
that.
K
We
then
have
to
jump
into
defining
those
community
benefits
further,
so
affordable
housing
is
a
little
more
straightforward
because
we
already
have
a
construct
for
that
in
the
city.
It's
those
other
community
benefits
like
affordable,
commercial
or
art
spaces
that
are
a
little
more
difficult
to
quantify
and
figure
out
how
we
would
actually
codify
that
in
the
code.
So
that's
kind
of
the
more
complex
territory
that
we're
going
to
be
walking
into
as
we
move
forward
and
then,
as
we,
we
have
some
technical
groups
to
talk
about
that.
K
We
would
start
drafting
up
some
regulations
for
feedback.
So
what's
guiding
us
in
this
is
some
recently
adopted,
Community
Benefit,
related
policies
that
are
in
the
comp
plan.
So
the
comp
plan
was
adopted
by
council
in
the
fall
of
last
year
and
it
included
three
new
policies
that
talk
about
this.
So
we
have
enhanced
community
development,
which
identified
the
the
community
benefits
that
we're
currently
exploring,
which
we
have
underlined
on
the
screen.
K
We
have
a
special
one
related
just
for
building
height,
basically
says
that
we're
we
didn't
do
it
before
now,
when
you
do
a
height
modification,
the
expectation
is
that
there
would
be
some
sort
of
community
benefit.
It
also
makes
it
clear
that
thermally,
affordable
housing
is
really
kind
of
at
the
forefront
of
what
we
would
expect
in
most
projects
that
that
seek
Community
Benefit
and
an
additional
intensity.
K
So
again,
the
triggers
we're
looking
at
our
building
height,
going
over
the
height
limit
of
the
district
scenarios,
where
they
might
ask
for
more
density
that
is
currently
permitted
in
the
zone,
would
trigger
community
benefit.
We
might
even
look
at
getting
a
floor
area
trigger
right
now.
We
don't.
You
know
there
could
be
a
very
large
project
that
may
not
go
over
the
height
limit.
K
That
folks
might
find
needs
to
provide
community
benefits,
so
it
might
be
like
an
FA
R
trigger
that
we
would
look
at
and
also
there
might
be
rezoning
where
people
are
rezoning
to
a
zone
that
allows
for
a
higher
intensity
that
could
trigger
community
benefit,
so
we'd
have
to
create
new
criteria
for
rezoning
's
related
to
this.
So
basically,
what
this
shows
is
that
you
know
you
have
your
traditional
building,
that's
at
two
or
three
storeys
in
the
city.
K
K
So
as
part
of
this
exploration,
we've
been
looking
at
a
number
of
case
studies.
We
have
15
right
now
that
we're
focusing
on
a
lot
of
details.
A
lot
of
a
different
array
of
different
ways
of
approaching
community
benefit,
most
of
the
ones
that
we
see
that
have
community
benefit
are
California
communities.
K
What
we've
found
is
that
a
lot
of
the
community
benefits
that
some
communities
require
are
similar
to
what
we
get
through
the
site
review
process
now
in
Boulder,
but
there
are
some
that
are
similar
to
what
we're
looking
at
now
as
part
of
this
community
benefit
project.
So
a
lot
of
these
communities
use
height
floor
area
and
density
as
triggers
so
we're
looking
at
the
different
ways
that
they're
doing
that:
affordable
housing,
sustainable
design,
green
building,
publicly
accessible
open
spaces
and
arts
and
cultural
uses.
K
Our
community
benefits
that
we
see
in
a
lot
of
these
communities.
What
we
found
is
a
lot
of
these
communities
have
community
benefit
programs
that
are
really
meant
to
incentivize
development
in
their
downtown's
I.
Think
boulders,
a
little
bit
different,
we're
gonna
be
looking
more
citywide.
We
found
that
some
communities
do
negotiations
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
This
leads
to
a
lot
of
unpredictability
in
the
process.
K
Some
examples
that
we're
looking
at
are
where
they
have
bonuses
that
are
quite
a
bit
bigger
than
what
we
get
in
Boulder
like
in
Austin
or
Seattle.
We're
talking.
You
know,
multiple
storey
buildings
in
the
downtown's,
we're
just
talking
about
one
or
two
stories
here
in
Boulder,
but
there's
still
good
examples
to
look
at
I.
Think
the
communities
like
for
that
we're
seeing
right
now,
our
most
akin
to
Boulder
at
least
provide
us
with
the
best
guidance.
L
So,
as
Carl
mentioned,
the
comprehensive
plan
adopted
last
year
did
include
that
policy
1.11
around
community
benefits
and
some
of
the
benefits
included
in
that
policy
were
quite
specific,
like
affordable
housing,
while
others
were
a
bit
more
topic
based
and
a
bit
broader,
like
social
services,
environmental
preservation
and
so
on,
and
so
I.
We
kind
of
see
this
program
and
the
public
process
that
we
want
to
have
going
forward
as
really
refining
those
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
very
specific
use,
definitions
and
criteria.
L
L
L
What
could
we
expect
in
terms
of
a
return
of
community
benefit
given
the
current
economic
climate?
So
what
could
we
require
up
to
the
point
of
making
the
project
not
feasible
anymore,
so
the
five
scenarios
that
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
a
base
scenario
just
to
talk
just
to
see?
What's
the
return
to
the
developer,
if
the
current
regulations
are
followed
height,
everything
we're
also
looking
at
a
scenario
where
that
height
modification
is
approved
up
to
55
feet
and
there's
additional
density
on
the
site.
L
And
so
we
don't
have
the
final
numbers
ready
yet
from
the
consultant,
but
we've
at
least
gotten
some
initial
feedback
from
them,
and
the
initial
feedback
we've
gotten
is
that
the
economics
may
support
a
community
benefits
program.
But
with
the
current
assumptions
we
have
on
the
pran
this
particular
analysis.
L
What
we're
seeing
right
now
is
about
7%
of
the
floor
area
being
a
deed,
restricted,
affordable
commercial
space
which
in
this
case
is
about
10,000
square
feet
in
this
building
and
so
again
we're
we're
providing
comments
and
we're
they're,
gonna
they're
gonna
respond
to
those
and
we'll
have
a
final
report
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
that
we'd
love
to
share.
We
are
gonna,
expand
that
to
be
a
much
larger
report
once
we're
looking
at
the
mend
the
full
menu
of
community
benefits,
and
so
there's
a
lot
more
analysis
to
do.
L
But
we
wanted
to
at
least
start
that
conversation
now.
This
is
really
just
the
last
slide,
a
little
bit
about
engagement
and
next
steps.
You
know
we
started
with
a
lot
of
focus
groups.
We've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
and
they've
been
pretty
interesting.
Many
people
really
seem
to
agree
that,
among
all
those
different
options
for
community
benefits,
affordable
housing
is
really
a
top
priority.
A
lot
of
folks
are
looking
at
particularly
the
building
height
piece
as
a
way
to
contribute
to
low
and
moderate
income,
rentals
and
residences
in
the
focus
group
sessions.
L
There's
also,
you
know
a
wide
variety
of
viewpoints
and
thankfully
you
know
a
lot.
Some.
There
was
some
consensus
about
kind
of
a
balanced
approach
of
looking
at
incentives
that
are
high
enough
and
good
enough
to
incentivize
development,
but
also
keeping
in
mind
the
community's
values
and
the
context
of
that
of
that
project
around
the
neighborhood
and
so
on,
and
to
that
and
you
know,
context
context
context.
L
If
you
have
any
suggestions
as
we're
thinking
through
kind
of
what
a
successful
program
might
look
like
we'd
love,
you
know
in
this
very
very
early
stage
of
the
planning
process,
we'd
love
to
kind
of
engage
you
all
and
get
your
thoughts
on
that
and
and
you
know,
and
then
how
should
we
be
engaging
hab
as
we
move
forward?
Thank
you
for
your
time.
G
L
B
G
B
So
I
mean
this
is
a
great
great
opportunity
for
process,
but
what
I'm
seeing
is
that
we
typically
do
in
two
questions:
first
directly
for
the
board
and
then
once
questions
are
through
on
that
first
round,
then
we
can
go
into
discussion
piece
on
it.
So
does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
them?
Go
ahead,
Judi,
okay,.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
That
was
really
interesting
and
I
appreciate
it.
My
question
is
about
context,
and
you
address
that
Phil
as
your
name,
so
you
address
that
in
the
end,
when
you
were
talking
about
neighborhoods
and
there's
the
context
of
community
Ben,
there's
the
silo
of
community
benefit
that
the
city
is
very
interested
in
and
then
there's
also
the
silo
of
neighborhood
and
sub
community
planning.
L
That's
a
great
point,
I
think
they're
all
connected,
so
the
comp
plan
talks
a
bit
about
as
we're
moving
into
this
new
era
of
sub
community
and
area
planning.
There
there's
going
to
be
a
kind
of
a
direct
linkage
to
community
benefits
with
those
processes,
and
so
we
would
expect
that
future
plans
would
identify
similar
to
the
north.
Baldr
sub
community
plan
identify
what
community
benefits
would
be
most
appropriate
for
that
area
and
that
would
then
inform
either
what's
required.
What
we
would
what
we
would
ask
at
the
time
of
application.
L
Alternatively,
you
know
we've
also
heard
from
other
boards,
like
the
University
Hill
and
others
as
well
as
Rose
residents,
that
not
it's
not
a
one-size-fits-all
sort
of
approach,
and
so
you
know
there's
a
question
out
there
of
do.
We
need
to
identify
specific
priorities
and
specific
areas,
and
that
would
get
kind
of
complicated,
but
it's
been
brought
up
and
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question,
but
yes,.
C
Did
have
one
question:
go
ahead,
okay,
so,
during
the
presentation
you
mentioned,
the
things
that
might
actually
set
this
off,
like
you
know,
trigger
a
community
benefit
study
and
you
mentioned
density
might
be
one
of
them,
but
without
rezoning
you
know,
you
said
rezoning
might
be
one
you
said.
Density
might
be
one
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
as
to
how
density
can
be
one
without
you
know
when
it
within
a
zone
that
it's
not
allowed,
that
that
doesn't
make
much
sense
to
me.
C
K
I
think
it
would
be
a
scenario
where
it
would
probably
be
a
high-density
residential
zone,
and
it
would
be
a
scenario
where
there's
a
density
maximum
based
on
dwelling
units
per
acre,
like
we
were
talking
about
the
BR
one,
for
instance,
I
think
it's
2023
dwelling
units
per
acre
is
the
max.
It
would
just
be
like
if
you
go
above
that
there's
no
zone
that
specifies
a
density
higher
than
that
anyway.
So
I
think
we
would
be
in
in
a
community
benefit
review
territory.
C
K
And
there
are
specific
scenarios
in
the
zoning
code
in
certain
zones
where
you
can
ask
for
density
bonuses.
It's
pretty
pretty
limited
right
now,
but
so
one
of
the
outcomes
of
this
might
be.
You
know
changing
some
of
the
zones
where
it
would
trigger
community
benefit
under
different
scenarios
in
different
zones.
I
mean
we're
trying
to
go
for
simplicity
here,
but
that
could
be
an
outcome.
Yeah.
B
F
Going
back
to
the
context
piece
a
little
bit
initially
and
then
also
the
flexibility
of
those
contextual
needs.
Let's
say
that
we
see
a
monk's
community
benefit
and
I'm
just
curious.
Are
there
any
of
the
other
cities
that
you're
studying
that
have
a
relative
amount
of
flexibility
in
that
process?
I
think.
K
Quite
a
few
offer
flexibility
through
that
through
the
negotiated
process,
like
I,
said,
there's
a
there's
a
trade-off.
There
I
think
some
communities
want
that
level
of
flexibility
and
they
have
a
legal
staff
that
assists
in
a
lot
of
these
negotiations
with
developers
to
try
to
determine
how
a
community
benefit
is
commensurate
with
the
bonus
they're.
K
F
K
There's
also
like
some
of
the
case,
studies
were
looking
to
have
a
tiered
process
where
it's
very
strict
at
tier
1,
and
then
it
it's
a
little
more
prescribed
at
tier
2
and
then,
if
it's
a
community
benefit,
that's
not
well
defined,
then
you're
in
tier
3
and
that's
negotiated.
So
it's
kind
of
on
it
there's
a
yeah,
an
array:
ok
thanks,
I.
I
J
B
D
D
So
obviously,
most
of
us
are
going
to
have
the
individual
opinion
that
the
greatest
community
benefit
is
affordable.
Housing
and
we'd
be
just
as
happy
if
that
was
the
vast
majority,
but
beyond
that,
I'm
interested
in
the
context
piece
being
a
real
part
of
the
fabric
of
of
what
you
come
up
with.
It
will
save
the
developers,
time
and
heartache
and
money
if
they
get
a
sense
of
what
the
neighborhood
feels
before
they
start.
It
will
save
the
neighborhood
anxiety
and
aggravation
and
it'll
save
the
city
time
and
having
to
referee
between
the
two.
D
C
C
I
think
is
obviously
the
number
one
issue
in
this
community
right
now
very
closely
followed
by
affordable
commercial
space
and
as
much
as
I
love
the
gazebos
here
and
Boulder
I.
Think
those
are
really
the
only
priorities
that
should
be
addressed
until
those
problems
are
solved.
I
think
boulders
already
such
a
desirable
place
that
it's
not
gonna
matter
how
many
more
basketball
courts
parks,
art
installations
we
put
up
and
while
all
those
things
are
super
important,
that's
not
the
problem.
C
We're
facing
right
now,
I
have
a
real
preference
of
permanently
affordable
ownerships
over
rentals,
simply
because
we're
already
running
into
problems
with
permanently
affordable,
rentals
and
making
sure
they're
permanently
affordable
housing.
Actually
allowing
someone
to
buy
the
house
not
only
helps
them
a
little
more
in
the
long
term,
keeping
their
own
money,
but
also
addresses
the
issue
of
dealing
with
people
who
can
put
a
parking
space
for
sale
in
a
permanently
affordable
unit
at
a
higher
rate
than
it
should
be
things
along
those
lines.
It
just
automatically
keeps
those
off
the
table.
I.
F
F
Maybe-
and
the
reason
for
me
on
that
one
is
that
we're
not
just
trying
to
create
housing
units,
but
we
are
trying
to
create
community,
and
so
some
of
those
people
pieces
might
bolster
it,
and
we
can
kind
of
put
those
together,
but
overall
I
agree
that
there
should
be
a
kind
of
a
core
package.
I
would
suggest
and
then
maybe
we
can
say
well
you're
kind
of
there,
but
not
quite
so.
How
about
you
throw
in
that
basketball
court.
F
I
B
I'm
really
right,
along
with
what
everybody's
saying
and
to
me
my
top
priority,
it
would
be
housing
so
absolutely
but
I
understand
where
Jack's
coming
from
as
well.
Is
that
I'd
like
to
see
a
real,
strong
emphasis
on
some
Community,
Planning
and
and
focusing
in
on
the
smaller
neighborhoods,
so
that
we
can
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
around
transportation
etc?
B
So
to
me,
always
the
top
tier,
affordable
housing,
sub-community
transportation
I
have
a
problem
with
the
in
lieu
fees,
for
any
of
this
fan
of
them
really
and
I
almost
feel
like
they
should
be
D
and
sent
devised
so
like
if
you're
gonna
do
that
I'd
like
to
see
them
a
little
bit
more
painful
than
if
you
were
actually
gonna
install
something.
So
to
me,
that's
just
how
I
kind
of
look
at
those,
and
then
it
must
have
been
about
six
months
or
so
ago.
B
I
can't
remember:
I
was
listening
to
a
podcast
about
art
installations,
but
how
some
of
the
cities
across
the
country
now
are
dealing
with
these
kind
of
crises,
of
keeping
up
art
installations,
I'm
sure
you've
probably
heard
it
somewhere.
So
I'm
I'm
kind
of
fascinated
by
who's
gonna
keep
that
up
and
how
that
would
be
managed
if
we
go
into
any
of
these
is
who
would
be
required
to
maintain
them
so
that
the
city
doesn't
find
themselves
burdened
with
having
to
maintain
a
bunch
of
you
know
like
we've
had
those
pocket
parks.
B
C
D
B
I'd
actually
like
to
even
go
one
step
further
and
potentially
use
our
special
committee
on
this
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that,
if
somebody
would
want
to
participate
and
be
a
direct
liaison
with
it,
so
I
I
feel
like
then
that
way
we're
also
following
the
process.
It's
gonna
inform
some
of
our
affordability
and
it
doesn't
fall
through
the
cracks
and
it's
short
term
in
nature
versus
a
long
term
committee,
so
it'd
be
just
something
that
could
be
updated
and
having
one
person.
C
I
L
B
Anybody
else
so
I
think
then
what
the
motion
is
is
to
table
it
correct.
So
we
I'd
make
a
motion
to
table
it
until
August
22nd
for
a
vote
on
a
special
committee
on
a
vote
of
whether
or
not
we
want
to
form
a
special
committee
and
anybody
be
on
it:
okay
in
favor,
right
so
unanimous
vote
and
we'll
table
it
until
August
22nd
for
a.
L
B
B
D
Just
wanted
to
mention
something:
I
looked
at
the
bylaws
and
it
can
be
done
two
ways
and
it
can
be
done
by
the
Board
Chair,
invoking
it
or
it
can
be
by
majority
vote,
and
we
can
also
suspend
it
at
some
future
time
if
we
want
so
I
will
then
go
ahead
and
move
that
we
proceed,
which
were
pretty
close
to
doing
anyway.
Right
now
that
we
proceed
with
Robert's
Rules
of
Order.
Anybody.
I
I
do
have
one
one
small
thing:
if
you
go
with
it
and
that's
fine
most
boards
do
you
might
want
to
get
some
training
and
I
was
thinking
years
ago,
Dicky
Lee,
hauling
horse
she's
such
an
expert
on
Roberts
rules
and
procedures
and
I
know
she's
retired,
but
there
might
be
somebody
else
that
could
do
it,
but
if
you
were
interested
and
if
other
city
boards
might
be
interested,
maybe
the
city
could
set
up
a
more
detailed
study
session
type
of
format.
Yeah.
D
B
I
also
agree
with
you
regarding
more
training
on
it.
It's
something
Jeff
and
I
were
talking
about
about
how
the
board
was
initially
set
up,
and
definitely
this
process
for
those
of
us
who'd
never
done
it
before
would
have
been
fantastic.
So
it's
something
that
we're
all
learning,
and
it's
great
and
I,
also
think
that
in
if
we
vote
to
have
the
facilitator
for
August
8th
its
process
is
something
that
we
can
also
ask
about.
If
it's
something
we
feel
like,
we
really
want
a
little
bit
more
formal
training
in
it
as
well.
B
D
E
C
B
I
made
the
motion:
okay,
I
just
want
to
get
the
language
down
right,
so
I
may
have
made
the
motion
and
Duty
seconded
it,
and
we
are
unanimous
for
Robert's
Rules,
fantastic
so
on
to
you,
committee
reports,
and
so
we
have
two
different
ones
from
standing
and
special
and
just
for
a
little
bit
of
definition.
Standing
would
be
permanent
in
nature,
which
we
have
already
agreed
to
an
engagement
committee
and
a
Regional
Housing
Committee.
B
So
we're
we've
got
a
couple
under
both
of
those
and
then
we
have
special,
which
is
short-term
in
nature,
and
we
don't
have
anybody
assigned
to
that
yet
so,
we'll
start
out
with
engagement
committee.
If
you
you
have
a
letter
to
the
camera
that
we
had
pushed
off
from
the
last
meeting
to
this
one.
So
there's.
D
A
couple
of
things,
I'll
start
I'll,
leave
that
for
a
minute
and
I'll
start
I
had
interacted
with
Zack
who's
the
communications
person
for
us
with
the
city
to
ask
how
the
city
could
help
us
with
things
like
next-door
or
whatever
for
the
project
on
August
22nd,
and
he
said,
there's
many
things
he
can
do.
But
in
order
for
him
to
do
it,
we
have
to
know
what
the
goal
is.
So
he
needs
to
have
the
goal
stated.
D
So
what
we're
wanting
to
do
is
have
the
public
comment
on
August
22nd
about
their
housing
issue
and
their
can
and
their
solutions
for
fixing
it.
Hopefully,
when
one
issue
one
solution
and
what
we
then
want
to
do
with
that-
and
he
said
it
could
be
as
simple
as
saying
that
what
we
want
to
do
with
it
is
use
it
as
let
me
see
what
I
have
here,
it
could
be
to
use
the
public
input
to
identify
trends
and
housing
that
the
board
might
address
at
a
at
a
meeting
or
consider
for
the
work
plan.
D
So
he
just
wants
us
to
have
a
goal
that
he
can
stayed
in
it
and
so
I'd
like
people.
The
first
thing
I'd
like
is
people
to
discuss
a
different
goal
or
say
that
goals
fine
or
talk
about
what
our
goal
is
in
doing
that
media.
Can
you
repeat
what
he
stated
again
yeah,
and
this
was
what
he
suggested
it
could
be
to
use
the
public
input
to
identify
trends
in
housing
that
the
board
might
address
at
a
meeting
or
consider
for
the
work
plan.
I.
Think.
F
I
was
I
was
just
thinking
as
I
heard,
that
trends
I,
don't
know
that
so
much
trends
we're
looking
for,
but
it's
we're
looking
for
solutions
is
I
mean
it.
That's
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
dig
up
from
this
right,
we're
trying
to
actually
get
people
to
start
coming
to
us
with
their
concepts
as
I
was
yes,
you
know
the
other
day.
So
if
somehow
we
can
get
that
language
in
there
so
that
we're
specific
about
what
we're.
Actually
you
know
asking
for
that
would
be
great
I.
B
Would
agree
down
to
you
just
kind
of
brought
that
up
I
think
originally
what
we
were
looking
for
was
that
it's
great
to
hear
what
the
issues
are
that
are
coming
up.
But
what
we're
trying
to
solve
for
is
unique
and
interesting
ideas
and
give
a
platform
for
people
to
come
forward
with
potential
solutions
more
than
just
us
sitting
up
here,
trying
to
think
of
all
the
solutions.
So.
D
I'm
happy
to
frame
it
any
way,
and
those
are
all
great
right
now.
I
just
have
to
use
public
input
to
identify
issues
and
solutions
and
housing
that
the
board
might
address.
We
can
just
leave
it
there,
I
guess
we
don't
have
to
go
on
beyond
that
that
the
board
might
address,
but
we
can
say
creative
solutions
or
I
mean
we
can
have
it
be
whatever
you
want.
I'm.
B
D
Okay,
winter
explorer
I'll
go
with
explorer.
Can
you
say
it
again
to
use
the
public
input
input
to
identify
issues
and
solutions
in
housing
that
the
board
might
explore?
I'm.
B
For
explore,
okay
and
can
I
interrupt
the
process
just
a
little
bit.
This
is
a
fantastic
example
of
why
if
we
can
put
these
motions
on
the
agenda
beforehand-
and
that
goes
out,
we
can
consider
it
and
anybody
could
make
modifications
and
then
we're
salt
more
solid
in
this
process.
So
this
is
a
fantastic
example
of
of
that.
Yes,
and.
D
D
C
C
D
Cool
so
then
the
next
thing
is:
we
have
to
vote
on
the
other
ideas
for
publicity
that
Adam
and
I
have
in
mind
doing
it.
Besides
the
letter
to
the
editor
and
besides,
what
Zach
can
do,
I
guess
I
should
first
ask:
are
you
okay,
then,
in
that
vote,
that
whatever
Zach
and
Adam
and
I
decide
for
next
door
and
for
whatever
else
heat
the
city
can
do
you're
good
with?
Because
we're
only
have
one
month
now
and
that
you'll
trust
us
that
the
wording
will
be
for.
B
Clarity
purposes:
you're
talking
about
any,
promoting
that
you
would
do
using
that
as
angle
got
it.
Yes,
I'm,
okay,
with
that,
what
the
only
modification
or
amendment
I'd
like
to
ask
for
it
is
that
it
comes
from
the
engagement
group,
the
engagement
committee
with
the
boulder
housing
Advisory
Board
mm-hmm.
C
B
So
we
have
a
motion
to
on
the
table
to
allow
any
promoting
from
this
goal
statement
to
happen
with
an
amendment
that
we
have
to
vote
on.
First,
that
it
comes
from
the
housing
advisory
board,
engagement
committee.
So
first
on
the
amendment,
then,
all
in
favor
of
promotions
coming
from
the
housing
advisory
board
engagement
committee,
I.
J
I'm
not
entirely
clear
on
what
coming
from
the
engagement
committee
means
many
of
the
vehicles
the
city
might
use
to
publicize.
This
would
be
standing
City
means
of
communication
and
promoting
that
aren't
controlled
by
or
really
from
the
engagement
committee.
So
as
I
was
thinking
I,
let
me
suggest.
Excuse
me
what
I
think
you're
doing
is
empowering
trying
to
empower
the
engagement
committee
to
come
up
with
a
a
notice
and
promotion
plan
for
your
desired
outcome
of
community
engagement
on
the
22nd
and
you're
voting
to
authorize
them
to
develop
and
implement
that.
Yes,.
B
C
I
D
It
cost
over
into
a
confusing
area.
I
was
talking
just
about
what
Zack
does
right,
then,
okay,
so
the
letter
to
the
other
there's
a
separate
issue,
and
if
you
want
what
Zack
puts
out
to
say
the
engagement
committee,
we
will
do
that
unless
he
can't
I
don't
want
to
have
to
go
through
another
vote
unless,
as
you
said,
it's
just
the
housing
advisory
board
and
then
you
would
just
have
to
trust,
Adam
and
I
that
we
wouldn't
say
anything
wild
okay,.
B
So
I
think
there's
three
parts
to
that.
What
I'm
hearing
is
anything
that
comes
from
Zack
I
think
should
come
from
Zack
in
the
city,
because
it'll
come
under
their
banner
at
the
next
door
on
next
door
and
stuff
from
what
I've
seen
on
social
media
and
then
the
second
piece
is
I,
do
want
to
see
the
letters
before
they
go
out.
I
just
think
they
should
come
from
the
engagement
committee
as
you
write
them.
So,
like
that
letter
ignite
that
you
had
us
review,
you
know
the
one
you
sent
to
us
for.
D
G
D
E
D
Engagement
committee
tickets,
understand,
okay,
so
good,
so
then
so
then.
The
second
thing
is
the
other
types
of
publicity
that
Adam
and
I
talked
about.
That
we
would
like
us
to
just
be
able
to
do
is
using
the
template
from
whatever
we
decide
for
the
letter
to
the
editor.
We
go
ahead
and
do
things
like
find
all
the
groups
we
can
possibly
think
of
in
Boulder
and
email
them
email
all
the
people
who
have
emailed
us
about
housing
issues
so
that
they
know
about
it
and.
B
D
I
have
had
one
suggestion
for
change
from
you
shock,
which
was
a
really
good
one
and
there's
one
thing:
I
want
to
change,
add
to
it,
but
and
I'm
happy
to
read
the
whole
letter
again,
but
those
were
the
only
two
comments
on
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
every
time
we
want
to
do
a
letter
to
the
editor,
we
have
to
go
through
this
complicated
to
process.
But
if
it
is,
it
is.
B
D
F
I
You
should
I
mean:
we've
always
used
the
city,
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
we've
always
used
the
city
processes
and
it's
you
mean
the
city
Public
Engagement
team
that
are
part
Department
in
part
from
the
manager's
office,
but
on
special
projects
it'll
be
handled
like
the
comp
plan.
It's
such
a
huge
project,
so
the
staff
had
a
whole
component,
so
the
board
doesn't
participate
by
sending
out
our
own
notices
just
because
we're
part
of
the
larger
process
already
and
they
handle
all
that
and.
D
B
D
B
C
D
I
Know
I
do
think
you
have
to
be
a
little
bit
careful
with
the
open
meeting
issue
about
the
edits
and
I
think
of
it
in
context
of
the
Planning
Board,
the
annual
letters
to
City
Council,
we're
very
careful,
we'll
all
send
it
to
Cori,
who
will
then
give
it
to
the
committee
to
work
with
or
have
one
person
compile
it
all.
So
it
doesn't
go
back.
So
there's
not
a
discussion
going
back
and
forth
that
says:
I
like
this
edit
but
I.
Don't
like
that.
That's
what
we
know
it's.
F
I
would
suggest
just
one
little
addition.
This
is
that
we
give
ourselves
a
time
frame
for
the
letter
being
presented
so
through
Cory,
whoever
drafts
the
letter.
Initially,
it
goes
to
Cory
there's
a
time
frame
that
we
need
to
have
X
days
to
review
the
letter
and
and
give
our
edits
back
to
Cory
so
that
we
just
know
what
that
is.
F
So
we
avoid
the
thing
of
letter
coming
out
last
minute
and
and
not
really
having
that
so
I
would
just
suggest
something
that
says
that
any
letters
from
the
engagement
committee
that
will
go
out
to
the
public
be
offered
for
editing
to
all
board
members
through
Cory
within
72
hours
of
the
next
meeting,
and
at
that
meeting
we
vote
on
releasing
that
letter.
Or
do
we
not
want
to.
D
J
Just
to
elaborate
a
little
as
I
remember
it.
Your
agreement
on
the
last
letter
was
that,
if
the
edits
that
staff
received
were
contradictory
or
hard
to
reconcile,
if
they
weren't
just
copy
edits
that
we
would
respond
by
saying
this
is
a
matter.
You'll
have
to
take
up
in
public
meeting
and
so
and
that's
the
common
understanding.
That's
yep
and.
B
My
only
other
issue
that
I'm
not
sure
how
we
could
address
is
if
somebody's
unavailable
or
if
you
know,
if
we're
gonna,
say
72
hours
and
somebody
went
into
the
mountains,
which
I
am
known
to
do.
For
you
know
a
couple
of
days
without
checking
anything
is
how
do
we
make
sure
I?
You
know
you
always
ask
us
for
yeah,
just
some
type
of
a
confirmation
that
it
was
received.
You
know
just
saying:
got
it
you're,
good
or
whatever
something
along
those
lines.
I
And
it
doesn't
have
to
go
to
quarry,
it
could
go
to
judy.
The
point
is
how
you
operated
last
time
with
making
sure
that
there
wasn't
this
conversation
going
on,
but
one
one
planning
board
has
handled
it
or
Cindy.
The
administrative
layfon
has
handled
that,
but
she
doesn't,
she
hasn't
done.
The
edited
edits.
She
just
collected
them
for
us.
B
F
I
well,
I
want
to
I
want
to
pull
back
on
that
a
little
bit
without
that
timeframe.
Worse
I
suppose,
before
the
release,
then,
because,
if
we're
not
gonna
bring
them
all
to
the
meetings
and
I
kind
of
like
what
Jeff
was
just
saying,
it's
like,
if
we
can
leave
this
in
staff's
hands
a
little
bit
if
he
sees
you
know
if
staff
is
seeing
something
which
is
one
reason
why
maybe
Corey
is
a
better
space
for
this
to
go
to.
F
E
B
Bigger
picture
on
this
as
well
is
ultimately
the
goal
will
be
for
all
of
us
to
move
to
nothing
happening.
The
agendas
out
so
one
week
before
our
meetings
when
it
gets
published,
we've
tabled
our
discussions
till
we
get
here
so
that
staff
has
plenty
of
time.
Our
agenda
is
accurate,
so
that's
a
bigger
picture
item,
but
just
so
that
we're
aware
of
that,
but
I
agree
with
you
on
to
move
quicker.
72
hours
goes
to
Cory
any
budding
of
the
head.
Then
it's
that's
our
ripcord.
It
gets
paused
until
a
vote
and.
D
D
D
F
B
B
D
We
have
a
couple.
There
were
a
couple
of
changes,
the
first
we
can't
do
teller.
We
do
the
agenda
review,
so
I'd
like
to
put
it
off
and
that's
the
time,
because
if
we
decide
to
have
the
we're
having
the
public
participation,
that's
not
what
I
mean
we
talk
about
when
to
tell
people
to
come,
so
we
wouldn't
have
them
sitting
around
doing
whatever.
B
D
D
D
So
Jacque
suggested
that
we
also
put
something
in
there
and
we
can
craft
that
line
together
if
you
want,
but
something
in
there
that
he
felt
that
if
people
get
up
and
speak,
that
would
be
fabulous,
but
we
want
they
might
have
more
meaty
information
or
we
might
not
be
able
to
get
everything.
We
can
and
we'd
like
to
request
that
if
they
can,
they
also
put
it
in
writing
an
email,
a
test
and
I
thought.
That
was
a
good
idea.
Yeah.
F
I
kind
of
the
the
teacher
in
me
almost
wants
to
say
that
if
you're
doing
the
presentation,
it
has
to
be
something,
that's
substance
is
enough:
I'm
trying
to
parse
the
presentations
a
little
bit
and
I
know
we're
public
engagement.
We
want
that
input,
but
we
also
want
it
to
be
substantive.
So
in
doing
that,
I
was
trying
to
think
okay.
B
I'm
gonna
piggyback
on
that
and
just
say
that
in
the
writing
of
this,
it
really
needs
to
stress
in
all
of
our
writings
that
we're
piloting
so
using
piloting
and
encouraging
solution,
orientated
speeches
or
participation
so
that
it
it
discourages
or
limits
just
the
or
one
for
one
or
one.
For
two
for
every
issue
come
with
us,
the
one
or
two
solutions.
Maybe
that's.
B
Of
ignite
it's
maybe
it's
a
twofer,
you
know
something
fun,
something
that's
catchy
you're
the
marketing
guy
yeah.
You
know
like
some
kind
of
catchy
name,
that's
a
you
know
a
two-for-one,
one-two
punch
or
something
like
that.
Give
us
a
one-two
punch-
and
you
know,
hit
this
with
the
two
goods
to
the
one.
So.
D
I
think
that's
a
really
good
idea.
That
particular
thing
might
be
best
for
another
time,
because
we're
very
word
limited
in
the
word
count
is
like
strictly
limited
and
I
was
thinking
that
for
jobs
piece
we
could
just
say
we'd
love
to
have
you
email
us
your
extended
solutions,
something
like
how
does
that
sound.
Your
detailed.
C
D
B
G
C
B
C
E
B
Adam
made
a
motion
for
the
letter
to
the
editor
for
August
22nd.
I
seconded
it
and
all
unanimous
great
so
anything
else
from
engagement,
no
new
business,
no
new
business,
great
Regional,
Housing
Committee.
We
need
to
appoint
a
second
representative
on
that.
Would
anybody
like
to
volunteer
as
a
secretary
Zenta,
t'v.
B
B
E
A
J
B
J
B
F
B
B
F
Got
to
you,
okay,
a
meeting
on
the
16th
with
Kristin.
So
we
can
go
over
that
and
and
take
a
look
at
what's
going
on
there.
So
we're
just
looking
into
their
proposal
at
this
point.
I
need
to
lean
in
and
and
we'll
have
a
meeting
on
the
16th
with
Kristin
to
get
a
kind
of
update
on
how
that
was
formed,
how
they
came
to
the
12%
number
and
then
kind
of
see
where,
where
how
it
can
fit
in
and
help
out
great.
B
J
E
B
F
So
and
I
want
to
apologize,
I've
been
totally
overwhelmed
with
life
for
not
being
a
better
contact
with
you,
but
Joelle
is.
F
J
H
E
A
H
I
H
F
F
F
E
F
H
H
H
A
D
A
J
The
one
suggestion
we
had
was
that
we
could,
if
it
were
deemed
important,
put
out
an
email
to
the
hotline
with
a
clarification
and
prior
to
doing
that.
There
was
considerable
interest
in
checking
in
to
see
to
what
extent
you
as
a
board,
feel
that's
necessary
and
I.
Think
I
outlined
some
of
the
considerations
that
an
email
to
Judy
that
she
had
asked
where
we
were
on
this.
If
I
remember
right,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
speak
to
any
of
that
or
if
you
want
me
to
just
okay.
J
Some
of
the
points
that
we
had
some
question
about
was
whether
or
not
there
was
a
sufficient
difference
between
what
was
actually
said
in
that
information
packet
item
and
what
is
currently
happening
or
is
likely
to
happen
are
those
the
difference
is
significant
enough
to
try
and
issue
in
a
correction.
If
so,
what
is
the
desired
outcome
of
that?
What
would
your
your
as
a
board?
J
What
would
you
hope
to
accomplish
by
sending
a
correction,
and
then,
thirdly,
is
this
in
essence,
where
you
want
to
use
some
of
your
bandwidth
to
counsel
similar
to
letters
to
the
editor,
there's
only
so
many
there's,
only
the
more
you
communicate
on
the
the
less
you
communicate.
Probably
the
more
attention
your
communications
will
get
hotline
is
a
public
publicly
is
a
published
email.
Also,
the
considerations.
You
know
we
can
draft
an
email
that
would
go
out
to
the
public
at
large
on
the
hotline
and/or
to
those
who
subscribed
to
that.
J
D
Judy
I
just
want
to
ask
Jacque
since
you
weren't
there
when
we
had
the
discussion.
Are
you
clear
on
what
we're
talking
about.
B
J
The
twenty
and
your
meeting
on
the
27th
and
unfortunately
I,
wasn't
there
so
I'm
going
off
of
what
others
have
told
me,
including
Judy.
In
particular,
there
was
a
discussion
of
rent
increases
and
the
mechanism
that's
applied
to
allow
from
a
certain
level
that
rent
increase-
and
there
was
significant
concern-
I
think
that's
shown
by
some
of
the
other
issues
on
your
agenda
tonight
that
you
want
to
consider
for
potentially
for
changes
or
at
least
understanding
that
issue.
J
Between
the
your
meeting
on
the
27th
and
the
time
it
went
in
the
next
day,
staff
summarized
your
feedback
in
the
following
way:
it
was
titled
input
from
the
housing
advisory
board,
and
then
this
is
a
quote
from
that
memo.
The
housing
advisory
board
discussed
this
issue
on
June
27th
and
made
the
following
recommendations
ad
this
issue
to
the
division
of
housing
work
plan.
J
So
that's
the
extent
of
what
we
reported
to
council
as
as
input
from
you
as
a
board
and
there's
concern
that
it
was
not
entirely
accurate
because
of
the
implication
that
he
made
a
formal
recommendation
to
do
these
things.
When
there
was
no
such
formal
recommendation.
As
my
understanding
of
a
concern
got.
D
It
it's
like
to
add,
then,
at
the
next
meeting
when
Jeff
was
there,
he
didn't
realize
that
we
hadn't
really
made
that
recommendation
and-
and
we
talked
about
how
to
correct
that-
and
we
talked
about
making
clear
that
it's
important,
but
we
didn't
vote
on
it.
That
staff
not
forward
information
that
we
say
unless
it's
checked
with
us
to
make
sure
we
actually
really
said
it,
and
so
because
we
didn't
make
the
recommendation
we're
now
trying
to
figure
out
should
anything
be
done.
My
personal
opinion
is
I.
D
B
C
C
F
B
And
I
would
add
that
I
see
this
two
parts
one.
Is
there
any
form
of
a
retraction
or
do
we
want
to
do
anything
with
it?
And
my
personal
opinion
is
no,
it
went
now.
It's
already
out
there
it's
to
be
spilled,
milk,
so
I'm,
fine
with
it
and
I,
don't
disagree
with
anything
that
was
said
and
the
other
part
of
it
is
process.
So
part
of
what
we
are
working
on
is
process
which
and
Jeff
and
I
were
talking
about
that
to
within
our
work
plan
and
something
that
we
can
use
with.
B
The
facilitator
is
really
talking
about.
When
do
we
want
to
make
recommendations?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
monthly
thing?
A
quarterly
thing,
a
buy
issue
thing:
do
we
just
want
to
semis
at
the
end
of
the
year,
so
we'll
be
talking
about
all
those
processes,
so
in
this
instance
I'm
fine
with
it,
and
have
no
feeling
for
that,
but
it's
great
information
to
file
away
so
that
we
can
have
that
discussion
on
process.
D
J
Two
things
one
is,
fortunately
that
was
a
meeting
that
was
recorded
in
chambers,
so
anyone
who
is
interested
can
see
exactly
what
was
said
and
what
wasn't
said
as
a
case,
maybe
I
would
like
ask
for
a
little
clarification
around
turnaround
times.
I
think
is
a
good
practice
for
us
to
check
what
our
summary
of
your
feedback
might
be.
If
it's
not
in
the
wasn't
made
in
the
form
of
a
formal
recommendation
that
was
adopted,
that's
easy,
we're
just
taking
the
exact
thing
you
voted
on
in
this
case
it
wasn't.
J
It
was
a
summary
of
a
discussion
and
I
agree
that
running
that
by
you
makes
sense.
In
this
case,
there
was
less
than
you
know.
It
was
twelve
or
fourteen
or
sixteen
hour
turnaround
in
that
circumstance
would
a
a
quick
email
with
we
don't
know.
If
people
will
get
it
or
get
a
reply,
is
it
better
to
not
submit
anything
without
getting
the
opportunity
to
check
in
with
you
it?
We
want
a
minimum
amount
of
time
yeah
or
is
it
okay?
J
B
J
Issues
that
fall
that
are
going
to
counsel
that
fall
under
the
mandate
of
a
particular
border
commission
are
typically
taken
to
that
order.
Commission
for
input
and
a
variety
of
things
can
happen
there.
There
can
be
a
formal
recommendation
that
comes
from
the
board
to
the
council
and
in
some
cases
like
crystals,
certainly
where,
with
on
Planning
Board
you're
required
to
do
that.
You
this
board
does
not
have
such
a
requirement,
so
you
know
never
required
to
make
a
recommendation.
J
B
One
more
quick
question
for
clarity
then,
on
that
is
these
things
that
were
discussing
about
needing
a
recommendation
on
would
be
on
our
work
plan,
or
it
would
be
something
that
we
would
have
an
agenda
on.
So
we
would
know
that
we're
preparing
a
recommendation
or
that
one
was
needed,
correct
correct,
so
it
shouldn't
be
some
surprise
to
us
and
I.
Think
I
must
have
missed
that
last.
B
One
of
why
at
that
point
so
I
think
once
we
nailed
it
on
the
process
of
the
work
plan
to
the
agenda,
we'll
be
clear
that
we're
in
that
motion
of
giving
a
recommendation.
If
we
don't
come
to
one
that
we,
you
would
be
some
izing
our
discussion
on
it
and
then
yes,
I,
don't
personally
I'll
tack
on
to
that
and
say
that
I
would
not
want
to
see
anything
put
out
that
I
didn't
get
a
glance
at
beforehand.
So
I
understand
your
need
for
a
quick
turnaround.
Anybody
else
want
to
add
I.
F
Would
just
suggest
that,
when
we're
at
the
meeting,
that
will
be
the
topic
of
the
summary
that
you're
gonna
send
on
the
council
that
we
just
have
that
momentary
discussion?
If
we
know
it's
a
really
quick
turnaround,
we
can
kind
of
be
given
the
heads
up
that
that's
going
to
happen
and
we
need
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
need
to
respond.
I
think
that
would
yeah
I.
D
F
I
No
I
mean
there's
on
with
the
quandary
of
a
discussion
where
there
is
no
recommendation,
and
that
often
happens
in
a
concept
plan,
and-
and
so
we
do
rely
on
Cindy
to
capture
that
discussion,
because
it
goes
to
City
Council
and
it's
often
a
fairly
quick
turnaround.
There's
some
things
that
we've
asked
to
see
our
discussion
before
it
goes
to
council
and
before
our
minutes
are
approved.
So.
I
B
D
F
J
B
And
that
we
get
into
a
process
with
her,
you
know
it's
not
a
surprise,
coming
up
on
an
agenda,
but
we
know
what
we're
getting
ready
to
discuss
in
into
so
any
more.
Do
we
need
a
motion
on
this,
or
do
we
just
go
forward?
Okay
to
the
next
issue?
So
then,
next
one
is
follow
up
on
questions
from
June
27th.
So.
J
In
your
last
meeting,
there
was
a
question
about
the
follow-up
and
I
am
paraphrasing
here.
Three
questions
about
the
ability
for
affordable,
rentals
to
be
exempted
from
property
tax.
Could
the
city
and
county
work
together
to
extend
property
tax
exemptions
to
affordable
rentals
for
the
purpose
of
limiting
rent
increases,
and
then
the
third
was?
Why
are
rising
expenses
passed
on
to
the
affordable
renter
and
we
did
follow
up
on
those
this
time
to
get
the
following
response
in
essence?
J
J
J
J
Just
summarize
the
the
responses
to
that
about
why
rising
expenses
are
passed
on
to
the
affordable
rent
or
the
the
first
is
our
expectation
as
a
city
in
investing
or
requiring
that
people
provide
affordable
housing,
but
typically
investing
in
it
and
partnering
with
a
provider
is
that
they
manage
the
business
of
running
that
property.
Well,
so
that
we
don't
run
into
situation
where
the
property
isn't
maintained.
J
Well,
people
aren't
being
qualified
properly
they're
charging
the
wrong
rents,
but
on
as
a
business,
we
want
them
to
operate
in
a
sustainable
manner,
so
the
ability
to
accommodate
rising
costs,
whether
it's
insurance
taxes,
utilities,
landscaping,
maintenance
and
save
for
eventual
replacements.
On
those
costs
to
the
extent
the
increase
have
to
be
covered
somehow
otherwise
things
get
put
off.
So
if
you
get
an
increase
in
your
utilities
that
you're
paying-
and
you
are
not
allowed
to
increase
your
revenue,
you
will
scrimp
on
something
that's
important.
J
Typically,
maintenance
and
reserves
are
their
first
to
go,
which
gets
to
the
quality
of
the
rental
unit
and
its
sustainability
over
time.
So
there
is
a
need
to
operate
them
as
businesses
or
what
happens
is
eventually
they
need
a
substantial
amount
of
additional
subsidy
or,
as
we've
seen
in
other
communities,
they're,
so
poorly
run,
financially
and
physically,
that
they
are
lost
physically
lost,
torned
removed,
which
is
not
an
outcome.
J
We
want
more
dedicated
to
permanently
affordable
housing,
so
that
does
not
get
to
the
magnitude
of
the
increases,
which
is
I,
think
where
the
biggest
concern
is
and
the
philosophy
behind
am
I,
forgetting
about
the
other.
People
who
use
it
and
the
industry
standards
is,
is
that
you
are
targeting
the
affordability
of
an
income
tier,
not
individual
households
and
by
definition,
if
you're,
if
that
income
goes
up
or
down,
they
can
afford
more
or
less
so.
J
That's
the
theory
behind
it
and
whether
or
not
it's
the
appropriate
metric
is
a
whole
different
question
that
you
will
be
discussing
later.
It
looks
like
the
last
thing
I'll
point
out
on
this:
is
that
allowing
rents
to
change
that
they're,
no
more
than
the
ami
change,
actually
is
not
related
to
their
costs
at
all.
If
for
some,
how
their
costs
were
going
down,
but
the
ami
are
going
up,
that
relationship
would
be
exact,
opposite
and
the
opposite
is
also
true.
D
Thank
you,
I
I
have
a
great
new
friend
who's
been
helping
me
do
a
little
research
and
she
said
that
she
heard
from
someone
in
the
city
that
for-profit
developers
could
partner
with
nonprofit
or
City
Housing
Authority
and
often
get
tax
exemptions.
That
way,
so
it's
possible
that
many
of
the
people
who
don't
have
the
issue
of
property
taxes,
because
they've
already
partnered,
is
that
your
understanding
as
well?
It.
J
Is
legally
possible
through
sharing
owner
ship
in
the
property,
typically
done
through
the
creation
of
a
low-income
housing
tax
credit
partnership
in
which
you
have
a
non-profit
or
Housing
Authority
is
one
of
the
members
of
that
partnership.
The
nonprofit's
and
housing
authorities
all
understand
the
value
that
they
are
creating
by
extending
the
property
tax
exemption,
which
is
typically
only
housing
authorities
in
those
partnership
cases
and
achieve
a
a
compensation
for
you,
typically
in
the
form
of
either
lower
rents
or
ability
for
the
housing
authority
to
house
people
that
they
otherwise
couldn't
you
know
it's
yeah.
J
B
So
then,
what
I
think
we're
saying
is
that
that
particular
property
would
have
to
look
at
a
different
structure.
Business
structure
in
it
I'm
curious
with
the
expenses.
Are
they
spread
equally
or
as
they're
sliding
based
on
so
like?
If
the
parking
space
was
a
hundred
dollars
and
it
went
up
for
everybody
across
the
board
or
did
they
with
the
services?
Do
they
take
into
consideration
those
that
are
in
affordable
units
and
it's
a
portion,
a
lower
portion?
So.
J
Don't
I
cannot
think
of
any
other,
affordable
housing
properties
other
than
those
in
that
Boulder
Junction
access
district
that
are
that
are
in
the
similar
situation,
where
their
parking
is
not
included
in
the
rent
that
they
paid.
That
location
is
whether
your
market
rate
or
affordable
parking
is
is
separate
and
as
far
as
I
know,
there
is
no
sliding
scale
for
people
who
live
in
affordable
units
to
access
the
parking
garage
spaces.
There
I
think.
B
I
The
the
shared
unbundled,
managed,
parking
or
sump
was
pretty
much
an
experiment,
hoping
to
get
it
right
out
at
the
Transit,
Village
and
so
I
think
it
is
good
input
to
know
that
there's
some
issues
that
have
come
up
and
I
was
going
to
send
a
little
debrief
to
Planning
Board.
Just
to
let
them
know
that
this
is
an
issue.
That's
affected
affordability
for
a
number
of
people.
B
Yeah
I
haven't
I,
mean
personally,
I
haven't
quite
figured
this
piece
out
because
everybody
knows
I
have
five
vehicles
and
you
know
motorcycles
and
everything
else,
and
it's
when
I
think
about
I
was
a
single
parent.
So
for
me
my
car,
getting
the
kids
across
town
in
between
jobs,
I
was
working,
two
jobs
doing
you
know
and
then
act
after
school
activities
and
stuff
like
that.
It
just
wasn't
feasible
to
read
bus,
it's
just
no
and
I
can't
hey.
You
know
the
bikes
and
everything
else
so
I
have
it.
B
I
And
then
just
one
more
thing
on
frou
Hoffs
now
that
came
to
planning
boardÃs
concept
plan,
City
Council
heard
it
also,
but
they
didn't
say
as
part
of
their
concept
plan,
that
they
weren't
going
to
have
any
parking
on
site
for
their
senior
permanently
affordable
units.
The
parking
on
site
is
going
to
be
for
staff
for
the
restaurant,
other
people
that
that
staff
the
facility,
but
that
was
the
decision
that
they
made
right.
B
However,
I'm
going
to
add
on
that
that
one
we're
talking
about
seniors,
they
do
offer
the
rideshare
bus
rate
from
site
and
we
aren't
talking
about
a
group
of
individuals
who
are
tossing
around
kids
and
everything
else.
So,
oh,
you
felt
like
a
different
population
to
me.
So
I
did
I
when
I
was
listening
to
that
with
a
parking
one
and
again
they
have
a
shuttle
coming
right
to
the
place,
taking
them
to
work.
So.
D
A
C
F
J
Well,
there
are
other,
affordable
housing
buildings,
some
rental,
some
ownership
in
that
same
district,
okay
and
I-
did
not
go
anticipate
having
the
parking
conversation
or
would
have
researched
that
too,
or
had
someone
else
figure
out.
What
the
extent
of
this
is
for
the
3500
units
out
there
right
it's
a
minority,
but
is
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
I,
don't
think
it
applies
to
just
the
one
project.
J
B
Think
they
have
tighter
parking
in
that
area.
So
it's
just
it's
they're
getting
pushed
because
of
all
of
the
different
units.
It's
just
harder
to
park
over
there,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
see
this
in
projects
as
we
move
forward
because
to
D
incentivize,
the
car
usage
in
certain
zones
is
going
to
be
big
mm-hmm.
A
B
C
C
B
Also
like
to
add
that
I
know
you
have
a
lot
of
ideas
around
this
and
some
thoughts
around
this
and
I
know.
Adam
does
too
and
I
would
really
love
to
see.
If
it
goes
over
to
a
special
committee,
then
that
the
two
of
you
could
be
on
that
and
talk
about
it.
C
B
I
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation
that,
because
I
know
you're
passionate
about
it
and
I
know
you
have
a
lot
of
great
ideas
around
it
and
I
like
to
discuss
it
but
I.
You
know
listening
to
you.
The
other
day
is
that
you
seem
to
have
a
good
handle
on
it.
So
I
would
just
like
to
see
if
you
would
be
willing
to,
and
you
know
we
could
put
it
for
putting
this
on
special
committee,
then
we're
looking
at
a
shorter
term
window.
B
Fourth,
and
so
it
seems
like
just
a
few
discussions
and
you'd
come
back
with
your
thoughts
because,
as
we've
talked
about
with
Jeff
etc,
is
that
if
you
guys
suss
out
something,
then
we
have
to
talk
about
whether
or
not
it
goes
on
the
work
plan
and
our
work
plan
and
something
bigger?
So
this
is
kind
of
just
a
sussing
out
committee
of
where
do
we
see
what
are
some
of
the
things?
Is
there
some
short-term
possibilities?
There's
some
long
stuff
or
is
it
a
wash
and
you'd
come
back
with
you
know?
D
B
F
D
C
E
C
D
C
B
D
B
B
Sorry,
at
the
last
meeting
we
discussed
whether
or
not
we
would
pilot
independent
study,
but
then
everything
kind
of
digressed
and
we
didn't
ever
really
kind
of
we
kind
of
talked
about
potentially
doing
it.
So
I
wanted
to
bring
it
back
to
this
meeting
to
see
if
there
was
any
interest
in
the
independent
studies,
thought,
which
was,
we
have
a
few
more
again
items
and
do
do
we
when
we
get
to
the
agenda,
want
to
look
at
doing
independent
study.
Does
anybody
have
questions
on
what
independent
study
is.
B
Okay,
so
the
independent
study
piece
was
what
we
realized
is
that
we
had
so
many
things
to
get
through
that
to
educate
us
and
what
was
happening
was
that
we
were
spending
an
hour
to
an
hour
and
a
half
at
the
beginning
of
our
meetings
with
these
slide
presentations
from
staff,
so
they
were
coming
in
they're,
presenting
a
slide
situation
that
we
already
get
and,
and
then
all
they're
doing
is
reading
it
to
us
and
taking
up
an
hour
and
a
half.
So
in
an
effort
to
be
more
efficient.
B
What
we
were
saying
is
that
they
would
present
that
same
stuff
to
us,
which
they
did
today
for
community
benefits.
We
would
read
it
and
instead
of
them
coming
in
and
spending
an
hour
reading
the
same
slides,
they
would
just
be
prepped
for
about
a
15
minute
discussion
of
any
questions
that
we
would
have.
So
we
could
formulate
so
we'd
read
this
stuff
come
up
with
our
own
set
of
questions.
B
E
B
B
J
There
are
two
topics
for
the
22nd
cities,
community
investment
program
and
housing
finance
related
but
separate,
and
we
were
thinking
that,
if
you
wanted
to
test
this
approach
with
the
community
investment
that
lends
itself
well
to
here's
the
information,
if
you
have
any
questions,
we'll
answer
them.
However,
the
Housing
Finance
we
feel
like
would
be
better
served
with
more
of
a
flow
on
presentation.
D
J
Is
not
we
have
already
moved
so
the
housing
finance
will
be
provided
by
bhp
staff.
We've
already
moved
that
and
it
would
be
preferable
to
have
them
on
the
same
time,
because
there
are
two
sides
of
the
same
coin.
How
do
you
pay
for
affordable
housing?
Well,
part
of
the
way
you
pay,
for
it
is
money
from
the
city.
So
many
of
the
issues
and
discussion
points
are
overlapping
and
if
you
wanted
to
separate
the
Bulls
separate
them
is.
J
That's
what
you
choose
to
do,
that's
certainly
possible.
It
is
you
from
my
understanding
of
what
you
wanted
to
see.
For
that
day,
you
had
two
items.
Essentially
one
was
the
community
engagement
and
this
was
the
other
and
you
had
directed
us
to
look
at
it
and
see
how
it
could
be
done
in
an
hour.
So
that's
what
we've
been
planning
for.
Okay,.
D
B
B
E
J
Don't
necessarily
add
a
lot
of
value
compared
to
just
reading
it
yourself,
others
are
substantially
much
more
informative
and
incorporate
different
ways
of
presenting
the
information
so
losing
that
opportunity
which
isn't
going
to
happen
on
all
of
them
is,
is
a
loss.
I
would
say
in
your
overall
ability
to
understand
and
I
I
think
that's
more
around
the
quality
of
presentation
and
the
approach
that's
taken.
I
would
like
to
distinguish
between
topics
that
are
up
for
public
hearings
and
and
formal
recommendations
in
action
than
those
that
are
for
general
discussion.
F
D
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
for,
however,
that
agenda
piece
is
worked
out.
That
staff
works
with
the
board
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
couple
things
we
try
as
a
pilot
should
we
vote
to
do
that
that
can
be
reasonably
shortened.
I
also
want
to
make
clear
that
we're
just
talking
about
we're
not
agreeing
to
the
work
plan
there.
Anything
else
by
agreeing
to
this
we're
just
agreeing
that
we
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
do
a
couple,
presentations
in
real
shortened
form
and
see
how
that
helps
our
time
right.
B
D
I
It
sounds
like
a
dry
topic,
but
you're
gonna
read
it
and
then
you're
gonna,
say
I
have
a
question
on
page
15
and
then
the
staff
will
be
trying
to
put
it
up
on
the
screen
if
it's
a
spreadsheet
or
whatever.
So
in
a
way,
you're
gonna
be
repeating
yourself,
I
mean
if
you
want
to
try
it
I'd,
say
fine,
but
do
it
very
selectively
and
carefully.
B
B
This
is
for
some
of
the
smaller
stuff
that
we
could
just
start
to
clear
off
of
the
agenda
to
create
more
time,
because
I
agree
with
you,
I
think
it's
important
that
the
public
see
that
and
hear
it
and
as
well
as
us
plus
part
of
some
of
these
things,
because
they
have
been
given
in
front
of
City
Council
and
implant
and
Planning
Board
are
already
recorded,
like
the
Ponderosa
one,
because
I
was
here
in
the
audience
for
the
City
Council
one
two
with
the
mobile
home.
We
could.
B
That
would
have
been
a
great
example
of
of
you
know,
watching
the
City
Council,
one
that
was
already
up
and
our
packet
and
then
just
asking
questions.
So
that
would
have
been
a,
and
we
might
now
be
a
little
too
deep
in
this
once
we
start
talking
about
which
ones
we
still
have
left
to
go,
but
if
there
is
one
being
open
to
possibly
doing
it
as
an
option.
Well,.
B
B
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
that
it's
all
in
the
packets,
but
on
that
web
page
we
have
a
few
hot
links
to
different
things
on
there,
but
having
all
this
stuff
with
links
to
it
would
be
fantastic,
and
then
that
way
anybody
can
refer
back
to
like
it
for
some
reason,
a
couple
years
down
the
road
we're
talking
about
community
benefits
and
we
referenced
something.
Somebody
can
go
back
and
look
on
all
of
the
presentations
and
documents
that
we
have
of
what
we're
discussing
so
just
something
for
the
future
in
the
process.
B
D
Would
it
be
to
everyone
if
we
formed
a
little
committee
of
the
board
chair
to
work
with
staff
on
selecting
a
few
of
the
presentations
that
would
be
ripe
for
being
shortened
in
this
way
and
then
to
get
back
to
us
at
the
next
meeting
and
see?
And
then
we
can,
and
you
know,
staff
does
that
make
any
sense
to
do
and.
B
B
J
J
E
F
C
D
J
B
I
Want
to
say
one
thing:
I
do
want
to
caution
you.
There
has
to
be
some
framework
when
this
comes
up
at
the
meeting.
That
sets
the
stage
about
the
project.
If
you
only
want
it
to
be
five
minutes
or
ten
minutes,
but
really,
if
you
have
the
public
watching
yeah,
that
would
be
really
helpful
rather
than
just
dive
in
to
the
questions,
but
somebody
whether
it's
staff,
whether
it's
the
board,
you
know,
could
just
frame
it.
Thank
you
and
why
you're
asking
these
questions?
Thank
you.
B
J
B
C
B
D
A
question:
yes:
is
it
okay
for
people
who
know
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
does
really
well
for
us
to
have
a
little
discussion.
First
before
we
make
the
motion
which
might
keep
us
from
making
a
motion
and
then
amending
it
and
then
changing
it.
That
sort
of
thing
do
we
just
have
a
little
discussion.
It's.
J
J
The
selection
of
officers
is
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
board
on
whatever
schedule.
You
want,
it's
typically
a
one-year
term,
but
you
can
change
that.
There's
no
provision
for
interim
okay
so
and
you
need
to
have
a
chair,
so
you
can
treat
it
as
interim
in
the
sense
that
you
know
you
would
schedule
a
new
election
whenever
you
wanted
to,
but
that
would
be
I
believe
how
Erin
would
interpret
your
bylaws.
So.
I
I
think
maybe
three
boards
might
have
openings
and
you
know,
and
that
worked
out.
Well,
we
have
quasi
judicial
hearings
and
there
was
a
bit
of
a
problem
with
six
people,
because
it
takes
four
affirmative
votes
of
the
Planning
Board
to
pass
a
project,
not
the
number
that
are
there,
but
to
pass
the
project.
It's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
situation
here,
but
whatever
you
desire
to
do
the
only
advantage
of
waiting
to
the
new
board,
is
you
develop
more?
I
B
So,
just
to
recap
exactly
what
Erin
said
was,
as
vice
vice
chair
Mason
acts
in
the
chair
capacity.
Until
there
is
a
new
election,
you
can
have
a
new
election
at
any
meeting.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
tonight
if
you
would
like
some
time
to
consider
which
lucky
soul
will
take
on
the
new
role,
but
I
would
do
it
in
the
next.
One
to
two
meetings
by
law
requires
a
chair
position
but
does
not
have
to
be
immediate.
F
He
just
said:
Brian
did
when
Erin
left
Brian
just
essentially
filled
the
role
of
the
vice-chair
serving
as
the
chair
acting
his
chair,
so
I
think
she's
just
suggesting
here
that
that's
fine
to
do,
but
the
shorter
time
frame
is
probably
better,
then
a
longer
time
frame,
and
so
you
know
I
think
so
too.
I
think
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
we
look
at
what
the
term
at
this
point
may
be.
We
look
at
the
term
of
Leonard's
what
his
term
would
have
been
and
I
can't
remember
what
the
date
was
when
we
I.
F
J
E
F
I
guess
there's
two
ways
to
go
about
it.
One
is
we
make
a
vote
now
for
Mason
to
be
chair
to
that
point
in
time
at
which
point
I
imagine
we
will
have
a
new
board
member,
hopefully
sooner
than
later,
but
the
Mason
would
continue
through
until
that
point,
and
then
we
would
just
go
ahead
and
elect
at
that
point.
A
new
chair
or
a
vote
to
keep
Mason
in
place,
but
basically
have
Mason
fill
out
the
remainder
of
Leonard's
term.
The
other
one
is
as
soon
as
we
get
a
new
board
member.
F
A
F
C
D
Council
does
have
the
capacity
to
just
simply
appoint
someone,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
take
months
and
I'm
most
comfortable,
as
I
said
before,
with
voting
to
have
Mason,
be
the
chair
and
revisit
it
after
council
has
appointed,
which
they're
either
going
to
do
sooner
or
in
March.
So
that's
how
we'll
Italy,
you
know,
and
we
just
leave
it
open.
Just
say
when
have
Mason
be
chair
and
revisit
it
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
Mason's
out
of
there.
It
means
we
just
revisit
it
so.
B
F
B
B
Have
it
on
as
the
last
new
right
item
I
guess
we
could
absolutely
move
it
to
this
point,
and
but
does
that
confuse?
Maybe
we
should
just
chunk
it
out.
First,
do
we
want
to
vote
tonight
or
not
and
then
who
wants
to
be
the
other
hat
in
the
ring
for
chair
and
who'd
want
to
throw
their
hat
in
for
Vice
Chair
and
then
talk
about
the
new
member?
Does
that
sound
like
a
plan?
Okay,
so
first
yeah.
I
But
you
know
the
only
thing:
oh
well
I'm
just
kind
of
jumping
the
gun
here,
but
the
only
thing
that
I'd
say
is
the
notice
on
the
website
did
not
include
all
of
this,
so
you
might
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
when
you
have
that
notice,
even
if
it
set
up
for
a
week,
so
you're
actually
noticing
you're
actually
putting
this
on
the
website.
So
you're.
B
I
The
only
reason
I
suggest
that,
if
we
talk
about,
we
really
should
walk
the
talk.
If
we're
talking
about
public
engagement
and
transparency-
and
you
know
if
it
holds
it
up
a
week,
you
can
have
a
special
meeting
and
take
an
action
and
then
go
into
your
retreat
quote:
study
session
format,
okay,
where
there's
no
public
participation.
I
J
There's
the
opportunity:
well,
you
haven't
set
up
a
procedure
where
you
have
a
study
session
format.
Yet
so
your
meetings
are
all
the
all
of
your
meetings
will
always
be
open
to
the
public
and
the
opportunity
for
public
participation
will
be
a
feature
in
every
meeting
unless
I
don't
even
know.
If
you
could
approve
no
public
participation.
Council
has
it,
but
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
else
does.
F
B
F
B
F
E
D
C
B
F
F
J
J
The
other
clarification
I'd
say
is
with
the
timing
that
we
have,
depending
on
what
you
mean
by
select.
You
may
not
be
much
selection,
faculy
procedure
or
options.
We
have
lined
up
a
skilled,
facilitator,
who's
available.
We
found
somebody
who's
willing
and
able
to
do
it,
and
that
may
not
be
much
more
selection
process
than
that,
because
she
needed
to
know
and
I
said.
I'd
tell
her
tomorrow.
J
B
To
support
us
in
structuring
our
procedures,
improving
our
communication
and
decision,
making,
facilitator
goal,
selection
and
work
plan
process,
and
then
would
that
be
a
second
motion
for
the
engagement
of
the
facilitator
would
be
up
to
eight
hours
and
a
full
one
day
or
two
half-day
sessions
board
see
fit.
We
just
scratched
that.
G
J
I
E
F
D
J
C
F
D
E
B
B
J
B
I
J
There's
some
way
that
you
can
indicate
what
you
hope
to
get
out
of
having
a
facilitator,
I
mean
the
motion.
Language
is,
is
not
wide
open,
but
it's
still
not
particular.
So
if
there's
anything
that
either
you
can
each
submit
your
hopes
by
email
quickly,
so
she
can
start
to
plan
for
how
to
interact
with
you
before
the
meeting
or
right
now.
I
have
a
quick
conversation
that
would
make
her
ability
to
support
you
greater
great.
B
So
might
I
suggest
them
for
all
of
us
is
that
you
prepare
some
form
of
maybe
a
couple
paragraphs
or
something
for
her
of
any
goals
and
priorities
that
we
would
have
individually
and
send
them
to
Cori,
and
then
she
can
pass
them
on,
since
we
don't
have
her
email,
Heidi's
email.
Is
it
everybody?
Okay
with
that?
B
B
Have
the
public
be
able
to
anticipate
what
we
were
doing
here
and
even
more
so
than
that,
as
we
can
kind
of
see
as
we're
working
through
some
of
these
I
don't
want
to
see
issues
but
items
that
when
we
put
them
in
motion
format
before
we
get
here,
we've
thought
them
out
and
we
feel
a
little
bit
more
clear
plus.
It
requires
us
to
kind
of
put
out
some
information
to
our
team
to
the
board
to
kind
of
flush
out
the
idea,
that's
what
I
was
thinking
about
for
the
agenda.
D
J
That
has
a
downside,
as
you,
some
of
you
have
noted
already.
So
if
you
wanted
to
come
up
with
a
different
I
mean
your
bylaws
of
chair
and
vice-chair
set
the
agenda
week
before
so
you
have
that's
two
options
and
you
can
come
up
with
multiples.
Others
if
you'd
like
to
try
and
make
this
work
better
for
you.
D
D
They
have
it
divided
by
what's
discussion,
what
needs
a
vote,
so
you
can
see
real
clearly,
what's
just
discussion
and
what's
just
vote
and
and
I
thought.
That
was
also
really
helpful
thing
for
a
clarification
that
I'd
like
to
fold
into
this
crystal.
You
were
nodding.
Your
head,
like
you've,
seen
this.
C
B
Even
while
we
were,
you
know,
he
was
giving
me
guidance
on
structuring,
for
this
is,
is
I'm
okay,
with
going
back
to
that
one
week
before
having
the
vice
chair,
chair,
meet
for
the
agenda
items
and
then
that
way
it
gives
us
in
our
two
week
meetings
one
week
to
get
all
the
stuff
over
and
it
still
leaves
space
as
we've
normally
done
for
the
pop
ups.
But
then
that
means
that
we'd
have
to
have
another
motion
to
go
back
to
how
the
bylaws
were
with
chair
and
vice-chair
agenda
meetings.
B
D
It's
my
understanding
that
stuff
comes
up
and
there
will
always
be
the
opportunity
for
you
to
put
in
an
emotion
at
the
last
minute.
This
is
just
to
try
and
give
more
clarity
in
space
to
it.
We
can't
actually
do
that
right
now,
because
we
don't
even
have
a
Vice
Chair
for
the
next
meeting,
so
we
can't
have
an
agenda
meeting
like
that.
I
suggest
we
stick
to
this,
but.
J
J
All
of
the
things,
as
was
noted,
all
of
the
things
that
were
added
tonight,
no
one
had
a
chance
to
know
about
most
of
their
procedural
and
probably
not
of
particular
interest.
So,
yes,
you
most
boards
have
a
process
by
which
under
matters
you
can
bring
up
stuff
like
that,
and
it's
best
to
minimize
it.
I
That
was
well
fed.
It's
best
to
minimize
that
the
other
thing
is
theoretically
under
matters.
When
there's
an
item
and
you
vote
on
it,
you
should
open
it
up
for
public
comment
now.
What
City
Council
does
is
they
usually
will
make?
The
motion
have
a
discussion
then
open
up
the
whole
slew
of
things
together?
Does
anybody
have
a
comment
on
these
five
or
six
items
and
then
they'll
take
a
vote
on
one
item
after
another?
You
can
do
it
just
like
you
did
it
tonight,
that's
fine!
I
I
There
will
be
a
vote
or
whatever
it
is,
but
I'd
also
suggest
whoever's
making
a
motion
to
include
it,
so
it
gets
included
in
the
whole
packet
and
if
there's
just
one
or
two,
maybe
a
little
bit
longer
than
the
quote
agenda
title,
even
if
it's
under
matters
so
the
the
ami,
it
would
say.
Ami
discussion
for
subcommittee
and
then
you'd
have
your
motion
in
the
packet
and
maybe
a
little
bit
further
discussion.
So
someone
from
the
public
would
have
some
no
context.
J
In
addition,
public
hearings
were
not
on
this
agenda,
but
you
did
one
before
and
it
was
on
the
agenda
that
way.
Also,
matters
from
Council
are
not
on
this
agenda,
but
you
have
had
those
before
too
so
they're,
not
rather
than
have
them
on
the
agenda
and
say
none
they're,
just
not
on
the
agenda
and
that,
if
you
would
rather
have
at
a
different
way,
we
can
certainly
do
that
to
know.
F
I'm,
just
looking
at
I
just
around
this
thing,
I'm
looking
at
the
clock
and
I'm
thinking
about
our
meetings
and
trying
to
structure
an
agenda
at
the
end
of
our
meeting
for
the
next
one
two
weeks
ahead,
and
it
seems
like
it
may
not
be
best
use
of
our
time
just
for
going
forward
to
be
doing
it
in
that
manner.
So
it
kind
of
I
would
lead
to
going
back
to
our
previous
model.
J
D
J
B
B
Is
that
we'll
have
captured
most
of
them
with
only
a
couple
that
would
be
last-minute
changes
or
additions,
and
hopefully,
what
are
we
get
into
then?
As
a
pattern
where,
instead
of
waiting
till
the
last
couple
of
days-
and
we
all
then
start
looking
at
our
information
and
bombarding
all
the
agenda
items
right,
then
that
actually
we
spend
maybe
the
next
couple
of
days
after
our
meeting
collecting
our
thoughts,
getting
them
all
prepared,
and
then
we
kind
of
have
that
little
reprieve
up
until
the
meeting.
B
Does
that
make
sense,
so
it
seems
like
we
have
two
things
going
on.
B
D
J
Maybe
this
will
be
helpful,
I
hope
so.
I've
heard
three
things
that
you're
hoping
to
get
one
is
identified
whether
it's
a
discussion
item,
a
public
hearing,
a
vote.
You
know
whether
there's
going
to
be
a
recommendation
to
Council
that
that's
one
adding
a
short
description
of
the
item,
not
just
the
words
you
know
a
little
more
expanded
than
we
have
here
and
then.
Third,
if
there's
a
motion
that
someone
is
going
to
propose
that
it's
in
the
agenda.
B
B
And
the
the
expanded
definition
should
come
from
the
person
putting
the
item
forward
because
then
otherwise
it
leaves
the
other
person
up
to
interpreting.
What's
being
said,
so
the
description
can
come
from
the
person
putting
it.
Putting
that
piece
forward.
Okay
and
Judi
wants
to
see
it
organized
based
on
categories.
J
B
B
E
B
E
I
ask
a
quick
interjection.
B
So
then,
the
second
portion
of
that
is
are
we
staying
carrying
over
how
we're
making
agendas
or
are
we
reverting
back
to
the
bylaw
so
that
we
had
the
longer
time
to
make
the
agenda
it
seems
like,
since
you
had
said
that
we
don't
need
the
vice
chair
on
this
next
one
and
we're
gonna
vote
on
the
next
one
that
we're
okay
with
one
meeting
we'd
be
okay
with
one
meeting
not
having
vice
chair.
While
we
make
the
agenda.
Is
everybody
comfortable
with
that
one.
B
D
B
D
D
J
B
D
D
D
B
J
Think
one
is
that
we
would
go
back
to
the
bylaws
which
state
that
the
an
agenda
committee
comprised
the
chair
and
vice
chair
shall
meet
prior
to
each
meeting
and
consultation
with
staff
to
establish
the
agenda
for
the
meeting
subject
to
public
notice
provisions.
There
would
be
no
checking
right,
then
there's
no
draft
agenda
right
and
the
other
idea
is.
We
still
have
the
committee,
but
they
submit
a
draft
agenda
with
the
opportunity
for
feedback
prior
to
establishing
the
final
and.
D
What
I'm
trying
to
avoid
is
I
believe.
The
reason
why
we
switched
to
the
way
which
has
its
own
problems
is
because
so
many
people
then
had
things
they
wanted
to
add,
and
so
you
can
go
ahead
and
do
that.
That's
fine
and
if
that's
the
vote
it
gets
it
carries.
But
then
there's
I'm
expecting
that
there
would
still
be
lots
of
people
at
the
last
minute
who
have
things
they
want
to
add.
So
we
can
try
it
and
see
how
it
goes.
Yeah.
C
B
Something
just
like
this
one
is
that
everybody's
got
on
there
that
that
had
given.
It
was
only
the
ones
that,
like
about
an
hour
before
the
meeting
that
you
had
a
couple
more,
you
wanted
to
add
to
it.
So
those
would
be
last-minute
ones
that
were
added
just
like
we
did
today.
So,
yes,
I,
move
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion
that
under
so
you
have
more
discussion.
F
E
C
E
D
So
before
I
actually
make
a
motion,
I
wanted
to
mention
my
thinking
about
this,
so
I'm
concerned
that
we're
spending
a
disproportionate
time
on
process
and
not
enough
time
on
actual
housing
issues
which
is
actually
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing.
So
I
would
like
to
see
us
all
go
forward
with
housing
issues
why
we
still
are
attending
to
process
and
recognizing
that
we're
on
TV
on
the
fourth
Wednesday,
and
that
Adam
and
I
are
going
to
be
doing
publicity.
D
F
B
I'll
add
my
sub
talks
on
it.
I
thought
a
lot
about
this
and
personally
we're
essentially
restarting
our
start
and
we're
right
in
the
middle
of
building
the
house
and
I
mean
shouldn't
say:
building
the
house
process
to
me
is
a
lot
like
coming
up
with
the
the
plan
so
that
we
can
actually
build
a
really
solid
house.
So
it's
a
little
heavy
intensive
right
now,
because
we
weren't
getting
it
for
the
first
couple
of
meetings
that
we
had
so
every
time.
B
C
Also
understand
what
you're
saying
I
think
it's
just
a
thing
of
making
a
point
that
we
have
some
housing
related
issue
that
we
discuss
on
the
4th
Wednesday
meeting,
because
people
are
watching
us
and
I'm
sure
they
want
to
hear
something
about.
How
is
he
not
entirely
about
process?
So
that's
just
I
think
a
point
that
the
agenda
should
reflect.
C
D
Again,
I'll
miss
I'll,
mention
I.
Think
it's
really
crucial
that
why
we're
doing
process
we
actually
do
with
the
board
what
the
City
Council
asked
us
to
do,
and
we
have
plenty
of
housing
issues
to
talk
about
our
just
the
things
we're
already
envisioning
for
the
year
are
pretty
important
and
I'd.
Also
I.
B
Absolutely
hear
you
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
I
do
believe.
I
completely
agree
that
the
public
wants
to
see
us
doing
housing,
stuff
I
think
they
would
also
like
to
see
a
functioning
healthy
board.
That's
making
quality
decisions,
and
so
I'm
I
totally
understand
where
you're
at
we're
just
five
meetings
behind
on
setting
up
a
good,
a
good
process
and
again
I
do
think
that,
on
the
eighth
and
on
the
eighth
and
with
the
next
couple
of
meetings,
this
will
be
a
moot
issue.
B
F
From
my
side,
I
think
that
I
think
it
is
a
point
well
taken
that
we
you
know,
especially
on
these
Wednesdays.
We
need
to
be
focusing
on
that.
I
also,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
make
it
emotion.
I
think
that
we
can
just
recognize
that
we
need
to
bring
actual
content
outside
of
our
processes
and
focus
that
to
the
Wednesday
meetings,
great.
D
D
I
make
yeah
I
make
the
motion
that
we
focus
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
our
fourth
Wednesday
meetings
of
each
month
on
housing
issues
and
that
we
focus
all
second
Wednesday
meetings
or
special
sections
sessions
on
process
issues.
Until
we've
got
the
bulk
of
process
done
and
we
can
dispense
with
the
second
Wednesday
meetings.
I.
B
D
So
this
is
actually
it
can
be
two
separate
motions,
or
it
can
be
one
motion
together,
I'm
interested
in
having
a
special
committee,
form
of
which
I'd
be
happy
to
be
the
sole
person
on
it
or
see.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
be
on
it
to
discuss
two
things
and
again,
it
can
be
in
separate
committees
or
it
can
be
when
together
and
one
is
City.
Council
is
going
to
be
looking
at
section,
8
housing
trying
to
make
that
a
protected
class
for
landlords
just
like
race,
gender,
etc,
etc.
D
So
I'd
like
to
look
into
that
and
come
up
with
some
thoughts
to
the
board
at
the
next
possible
meeting,
perhaps
August
22nd
and
the
other
is
besides
the
ami
which
I
completely
agree
with
pursuing
I'd
like
to
have
a
small
committee
look
into
affordable
housing
issues
for
residents,
including
some
of
the
things
we
talked
about
like
amenities,
parking
things
like
that
and
come
up
with
a
way
forward
that
Adam
and
I
have
already
worked
on.
But
if
we
don't
get
it
all
accomplished
today,
have
a
committee
continue
with
that?
Okay.
B
D
J
J
F
B
J
Want
to
point
out
that,
given
that
it
is
on
a
matter
that
has
been
prepared
for
council
there's,
a
lot
of
materials
and
staff
have
been
working
on
it.
I
cannot
promise
anyone
else's
staff
availability,
but
I
would
recommend
a
quick
starting
point.
Making
that
connection
and
I
can
facilitate
that.
Okay.
B
You
made
the
motion
and
we
got
it
seconded.
We
had
discussion
so
yes,
now
we
wouldn't.
This
would
be
for
the
formula
of
the
committee.
Yes,
the
forming
of
the
special
committee
Judy
made
the
motion
for
the
forming
of
the
second
committee.
It
was
seconded
by
me
and
we'll
vote
on
it
all
in
favor,
say
aye
nays,
obviously,
I
don't
know.
I
asked
okay
and
now
your.
D
Second
piece,
so
the
second
piece
was
besides
the
ami
issue
that
has
been
that's
come
up
before
the
city
and
affecting
a
lot
of
people
in
affordable
housing,
the
residents
of
affordable
housing.
There
are
a
number
of
a
additional
issues
like
amenities,
etc
that
Adam
and
I
had
sent
to
the
board
and,
however
far
we
get
with
that.
If
we
don't
come
to
conclusion
about
it,
that
the
committee
do
further
work
on
looking
into
information,
okay,.
C
I
C
I
D
E
D
B
A
B
B
B
D
A
J
Substantive
conversation
like
that
should
be
noticed
properly
it
shouldn't.
If
it
comes
up
as
a
committee
we've,
we've
we've
had
a
conversation.
We
think
this
is
really.
We
need
to
structure
a
conversation
it
needs
to
go
on.
The
agenda
could
be
the
committee
report,
but
having
the
discussion
on
the
22nd
without
having
it
noticed
would
be
problematic.
So.
J
B
J
Making
a
distinction
between
a
report,
here's
what
we've
learned
is
what
we've
here's,
what
we
we
think
is
important
to
talk
about
and
having
the
the
policy
question,
this
policy
discussion
going
beyond
a
report
out
and
saying:
let's
decide
if
these
three
things
are
worthy
of
us,
recommending
to
Council
that
crosses
a
line.
Okay,
so.
B
B
J
B
And
that
so
then,
that
for
future
practices
is
that
we're
looking
for,
like
a
small
couple
sentences
to
describe
what's
going
to
happen
on
that
one
as
well,
so
in
any
of
the
committees
for
best
practices.
We'd
want
to
get
into
routine,
along
with
the
motions
that
you
know
before
that
week
that
you
need
to
produce
a
couple
of
sentences
on
your
committees
for
the
agenda
and.
J
Not
sure
exactly
where
I
draw
the
line,
if
it's
me
I
would
say,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
out
of
committee,
I'm
saying
here's
what
we're
wrestling
with
here's,
what
we've
learned
you
have
any
questions.
You
have
any
guidance
for
us
that
all
feels
like
a
standing
item
that
probably
doesn't
need
an
extended
description.
If
it's
as
a
committee,
we
recommend
the
board
discuss
this
substantively,
that's
that
should
be
described
in
the
agenda
and
then
it
can
either
be
scheduled
as
a
separate
agenda
item
or
you
can
choose
to
bring
it
up
under
the
committee
discussions.
J
B
D
Yes,
yes,
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
if
we
discussed
and
then
made
a
recommendation
to
Council
and
had
you
tell
us
Jeff
the
best
way
to
to
do
that
of
of
our
preference.
For
for
how
soon
we
wanted
a
council
member
added
and
I
would
be
just
as
happy
if
we
did
it
if
we
recommend
it
to
them
that
they
appoint
a
new
member
as
soon
as
possible,
because
I
think
it's
otherwise
too
possible
that
we
get
stuck
in
to
two
votes
and
I.
Think
it's
good
to
have
five
to
two:
oh
I.
B
D
J
B
D
C
F
F
The
other
side
of
that
is
I
do
think.
We
have
an
opportunity
here
before.
As
you
said,
a
new
member
comes
in
to
help
us
solidify
our
process
and
culture
somewhat,
so
that
when
that
new
person
does
come
in,
there
is
some
basis
culture
that's
set
and
they
have
a
stronger
foundation
to
stand
on
when
they
step
into
the
board
the
longer
longer
term.
One
is
there's
a
certain
piece
to
me
that
it
says
you
know:
if
councils
gonna
take
the
amount
of
time
I
they
may
take
to
get
to
this
anyway.
F
E
A
D
Then
that
actually
actually
changes
do
you
want
to
not
have
a
board
member
come
in
soon
and
get
acquainted
and
acculturated
with
how
we
do
things
and
then
hat
or
and
or
maybe
have
four
members
which
would
double
our
size?
If
you
decide
not
to
not
to
stand
the
board,
then
there
would
be
possibly
four
new
board
members
coming
in
because
you
would
be
leaving
and
we
would
be
the
only
three
remaining.
B
In
this.
You
know
we
have
a
large
turnout,
but
if
you're
interested
and
I'd
love
to
make
the
recommendation
to
City
Council
that
you
move
up
and
that
yes,
we're
interested
in
another
member
I'm
with
Jacques
I,
don't
think
it's
gonna
happen
until
board
selection.
They
have
so
much
on
their
plate
right
now,
but
that's
I
think.
D
That
we
shouldn't
be
assuming
how
they
think
and
I
think
they
would
be
really
happy
with
the
input
of
how
we
feel
about
this
and
and
I,
as
I
said
they
can
just
simply
appoint
someone
so
and
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot
with
having
to
give
that
make
that
decision.
Less
you're
positive,
you
already
know,
but
I
know
you
have.
You
know.
J
I
As
a
council
member
I
do
recall
that
we
had
a
vacancy
soon
after
a
recruitment,
and
we
just
looked
at
the
applications
and
we
selected
a
member
from
the
applications,
because
the
application
pool
was
quite
rich
for
this
board.
So
that's
one
thing
that
the
City
Council
could
be
doing.
I
would
say,
you
know,
I,
know
you're
trying
to
develop
a
culture
and
get
the
work
done.
But
if
you
end
up
in
a
situation
of
a
to
two
vote,
it's
you
know,
the
motion
will
fail
and
that
could
happen
on
a
number
of
things.
I
I
B
I
The
staff
would
usually
say
you
know
we
have
another,
we
have
an
opening,
we
have
three
openings,
we'll
have
it.
You
know.
We've
got
want
to
look
at
some
dates
to
do
a
recruitment.
Now,
if
we
had
just
done
a
recruitment
I
think
we
just
went
through
the
applications
and
we
had
a
council
meeting
in
and
filled
that
board
and
then
it's
a
little
tricky
are
asking
adam2
asking
council
to
move.
Add
them
up,
because
you
can
reapply
next
year,
Oh.
F
I
Five
more
and
you
might
not
be
interested
in
that
you
could
just
that's
something
that
you
could
write.
The
council
I'd
be
interested
in
filling
Leonard's
term
having
the
new
appointee
fill
on
one
year
term,
and
they
can
reapply
for
five
years.
I
mean
that
as
an
individual
and
if
the
board
wanted
to
support
I.
B
Think
there's
some
weight
behind
the
fact,
too
that
if
we
made
the
recommendation
again
knowing
that
from
what
Erin
had
said
on
the
city
councillors
that
they
have
the
option
of
doing
it's
just
kind
of
like
making
this
recommendation
of
whether
or
not
we
want
the
seat
filled
right
away,
is
they
don't
have
to
the
poor
community
area?
They
can
make
a
recommendation
as
to
whether
that
happens
sooner
than
regular
appointment
time
by
an
March.
You
also
do
not
have
to
make
a
final
decision
and
many
times
Borgo
several
months
without
missing
a
member.
B
It
will
take
two
councils
some
time
to
consider
the
matter
and
decide
how
to
proceed.
So,
if
you
think
the
position
should
Philby
be
filled
before,
then
it
would
be
good
to
get
their
attention
fairly
soon
or
else
by
the
time
they
can
find
agenda
time
to
discuss
before
March.
So
we're
just
making
a
recommendation
and
to
me
if
you're
interested
in
that.
We
also
include
the
recommendation,
because
you
have
my
endorsement
to
stay
for
all
five,
because
you'd
like.
B
I
D
I
D
Information
yeah
I'd
like
to
also
add
that
the
board
that
the
City
Council
did
pick
five
people
not
for
and
for
us
to
operate
as
for
longer
than
we
need
to
if
council
would
be
ready
to
move
quicker,
I,
don't
think
is,
is
appropriate
for
us
to
do
so.
I'm
happy
to
have
you
all
table
it
and
discuss
it
next
time,
but
I'm
still
recommending
that
that
that
part
of
it
we
do
so
right.
B
J
B
B
C
B
The
first
item
at
the
agenda
review
before
we
dive
into
future
agenda
work
plan
is
the
next
next
week,
so
we
have
location
which
we're
thinking
is
the
library
correct?
Yes,
okay,
so
August
8th?
Is
it
right
to
call
it
retreat?
Is
it
a
retreat
and
since
we're
doing
a
special
meeting
in
the
beginning
of
it,
because
we
have
a
couple
of
items
that
yeah
so
we're
gonna
have
a
couple
of
items
like
the
vote.
The
tabled
item
right
now
that
we
have
I.
J
B
J
You
would
have
here's
what
I
have
recorded
the
you've
specifically
said
would
be
elections
for
chair
and
vice
chair,
and
then
consideration
of
a
motion
to
recommend
appointing
a
new
member.
You
would
typically
have
minute
approval,
but
you
there's
not
an
urgency
to
that
since
you
meet
twice
a
month
at
this
point.
So
if
you
wanted
to
postpone
that
you
could,
if
you
want
to
stay
on
top
of
it,
you
could
do
that.
It
usually
doesn't
take
you
long
to
do
that.
J
You
will
have
public
participation
and
then
you
can
have
I
know
of
no
matters
from
staff,
no
Council
items,
so
it
would
be
matters
from
the
board
and
you
can
decide
what
you
want
there
I.
My
understanding
is
that
you
want
a
robust
and
significant
discussion
with
a
facilitator
about
your
priorities,
goals
and
work
plan.
B
B
J
B
J
B
I
B
J
J
I
think
it's
collecting
what
I
understand
is
I'm
speculating
here
or
making
assumptions
that
you
want
to
take
all
of
that
and
massage
it
into
the
next
iteration,
hopefully
with
some
more
clarity
about
how
you
will
what
you
want
to
spend
your
time
on.
Maybe
that
could
become
a
look
at
the
work
plan,
items
and
scheduling
things
too,
maybe
not
yeah.
B
B
J
That's
a
fairly
can
be
fairly
broad.
It
could
be
you
know,
maybe
you
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
how
you
communicate
it
maybe,
each
year
the
expectation
is
that
boards
will
provide
a
letter
to
council
on
their
goals
for
the
coming
year.
That's
a
business
item.
If
you
wanted
to
revise
your
bylaws,
that
would
be
a
business
item,
so
there
would
be
some
that
are
scheduled
some
that
you
would
propose
the
one
above.
That
would
be.
B
B
So
it
was
just
a
suggestion
on
a
different
format
and
you
can
see
underneath
it
the
items
that
still
need
to
be
scheduled,
that
we
need
to
put
in
there
and
and
then
under
that,
where
some
of
the
proposed
agenda
idea
and
ideas
that
we've
kind
of
talked
about
as
well
wanting
to
put
in
so
that
would
be
have
priorities
and
the
items
to
be
scheduled.
Our
business
right,
I.
B
So
again,
just
it's
just
another
format,
instead
of
it
being
all
in
one
line,
because
that's
what
we
had
before
was
just
a
month
listed.
Remember
the
original
work
plan
and
it
was
hard
to
see
where
we
were
gonna
put
stuff
in,
but
it
was
just
a
suggestion.
If
it's
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
it.
Jeffrey
nice.
J
Two
observations,
one
is
the
timing
of
the
council
work
plan
items
is
the
timing.
It
would
come
to
you.
Typically
it's
going
to
council
the
following
month.
Not
you
know
that
and
then
the
other
than
that
I.
Don't
think
I
made
any
changes
to
what
you
have
already
seen.
It
was
just
so
it's
a
reorganization
to
try
and
show
you
know
the
top
line.
J
B
J
J
A
B
I
Yes,
just
the
annual
letter
just
a
suggestion,
you
should
probably
start
that
November
quite
frankly
because
they
wanted
in
you
know,
they've
the
city
manager's
office
has
got
very
tight
time
frame
than
just
from
the
experience
of
doing
that
on
planning
board
takes.
If
it's
a
discussion
takes
some
emails,
then
it
takes
kind
of
formatting
writing
the
Andrew
a
letter
taking
all
the
ideas
that
you
all
have
agreed
on.
Thank.
B
E
B
I
G
You
guys
were
on
that
distribution
and
somehow
got
pulled
off,
and
it
was
just
brought
to
my
attention
the
other
day,
so
I'll
have
to
follow
up
with
Cindy,
which
I
did.
However,
she
is
out
of
town
this
week
on
vacation.
She
won't
be
back
until
sometime
early
next
week,
so
I'm
expecting
a
return
email
from
her.
So
at
the
next
meeting,
I
can
give
you
an
update.
I
can
email
you
when
I
find
out.
What's
going
on.
I
Last
week
this
week,
so
I
bring
it
up
because
it
has
every
board,
including
council,
that
has
anything
the
planning
issue
and
you
might
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
at
circle.
The
things
that
have
to
do
with
with
you
know
the
housing
mission
and
then
maybe
added
across
the
top,
or
if
you
see
it's,
some
discussions
going
to
another
board.
So.
I
J
There
is
a
limitation
on
it
because
by
the
time
it
gets
scheduled
you
already
kind
of
want
to
know
about
it
and
have
it
on
your
work
plan
yeah.
So
as
the
staff
is,
for
example,
preparing
the
project
which
will
be
developing
sub
community
planning.
What's
the
role
of
the
various
boards
and
commissions,
you
should
be,
you
know,
and
that
should
happen
without
you
having
to
do
anything
ideally
right
and
the
request
it
usually
would
come
from
staff
to
staff
to
say
okay,
this
is
coming.
J
When
can
we
get
on
the
board
and
it's
not
a
bad
idea
to
look
at
what
on
there,
especially
for
a
new
board
and
say
you
know
like,
for
example,
the
the
Human
Relations
Commission
proposed
ordinance
that
Judy
has
pointed
out
that's
as
a
clear
housing
component
and
didn't
yeah
that
connection
didn't
get
made.
So
monitoring
is
probably
a
really
good
idea.
D
B
D
F
J
B
D
This
so
I'm
not
comfortable
with
the
work
plan
or
discussing
it
in
detail
until
after
we've
done
the
facilitation,
because
there's
too
many
little
topics
here
that
I
don't
understand
and
to
end
I'm,
not
mr.
bull
with
the
poll
that
we
took
being
taken
as
what
our
priorities
are,
that
wasn't
done
with
my
knowledge,
I
devoted
completely
differently.
There
wasn't
the
part
on
it
to
put
our
comments
and
I
devoted
completely
differently,
so
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
comfortable
I.