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A
E
F
Give
me
in
just
a
moment
sure:
do
you
want
me
to
be
able
to
edit
it.
D
Not
necessarily
hey
yeah,
that's
easier,
I
can
always
write
down
edits
and
do
them
after
the
fact.
Okay.
So
you
might
remember,
we
came
up
with
this.
Why
statement
last
time
we
voted
to
approve
all
the
separate
goals
and
I
essentially
added
the
small
changes
that
we
wanted
last
time,
and
this
is
what
we
have
a
majority
of
what
was
removed
was
tactical
level
stuff
under
each
goal
and
anything
that
remains
is
listed
as
potential
since
it
wasn't
officially
approved.
D
D
A
D
So
I
guess
we
did
a
lot
of
the
legwork
in
terms
of
wording
and
stuff
already
so
taking
it
section
by
section
doing
a
final
check
and
voting
on
that
I
think
is
totally
fine
again,
we
already
have
the
goals
we
voted.
I
believe
four
to
one,
and
so
those
are
those
are
sort
of
written
in
stone,
but
anything
else
that
we'd
like
to
remove.
We
can
or
add
we
can
at
this
point
I'm.
E
D
D
G
D
D
E
Also
want
to
add
the
one
difference
from
what
was
in
there
last
time
we
discussed
it
is
we
have
other
with
the
question
mark
because
we
realize
there
may
be
other
things.
For
example,
the
flyer
would
be
a
new
one
for
this
specific
one,
but
we
might
not
do
that
for
any
other
ones
at
all.
So
that's
the
one
new
thing
is
other
question.
A
People
will
be
shifting
and
changing
so
every
you
know
it
brings
up
a
larger
discussion
around
the
participation
like
with
we're
in
Alpine
balsam,
but
that's
got
a
sunset
on
it,
whereas
engagement
wouldn't
so
I'm
having
the
discussion
around.
How
would
new
members
participate
in
the
engagement
committee?
What
if,
since
we
have
three
new
people
that
will
be
joining
the
board?
A
What
if
all
three
of
them
want
to
be
on
the
engagement
committee,
and
since
we
know
that
no
more
than
two
people
can
meet
without
having
to
call
a
formal
meeting
things
to
think
about
and
discuss
is
what
does
that
look
like?
Will
we
sunset
every
that
the
the
roles
are
up
every
year
and
people
are
nominated
for
them,
because
what,
if
you
have
multiple
people
that
are
interested
in
the
roles
or
not,
and
then
around
these
potential
strategies?
A
I
noticed
you
know
we're
saying
for
2019
engagement,
so
I'm
curious.
If
we're
putting
into
place
something
that
when
we
get
three
new
members,
they
might
might
want
to
have
different
goals
for
2019
or,
since
you
know,
depending
god
forbid.
We
want
you
here,
but
if
you're
not,
then
how
did
they
participate
in
the
goal-setting?
I
was
thinking
about
yeah.
D
And
we
can,
if
you
want
to
see
you
some
specific
language
like
we
can
reassess
those
at
any
point
or
something
written
specifically
on
there,
so
we
leave
ourselves
open
to
that
I'm
totally
open
to
that
as
well
again,
this
was
just
sort
of
trying
to
be
the
outline
for
now.
I
think
we're
gonna
get
more
of
what
you're
talking
about
under
committee
roles
or
5d
to
so.
We
can
maybe
make
some
broader
decisions
on
what
a
committee
is.
A
A
E
B
A
The
only
reason
why
I
was
bringing
it
up
is
like
say
we
get
some
people
on
the
board
that
are
shy
about
saying,
I
want
on
this
and
and
so
yeah
that's.
What
I
was
hoping
for
is
that
maybe
at
the
same
time
that
we're
doing
all
of
the
officer
roles
is
that
it's
something
to
of
checking
in
and
making
sure
people
feel
like
they
can
participate.
I.
D
I
B
Just
just
one
suggestion-
and
this
is
how
Planning
Board
does
it
I'm
sure
other
boards
do
it
differently,
but
what
we
do
is
when
we
have
a
retreat,
then
that's
when
we
ask
people
what
their
interest
is
in
being
a
lay
asan
or
any
of
the
specific
committees.
So
it's
usually
the
retreat
usually
comes
a
few
months
after
Council
appoints
new
members.
In
that
way,
it
gives
some
new
members
kind
of
a
framework
of
what
what
the
workflow
is
like
on
planning
board
and
that
seems
to
work
for
us.
Thank
you.
C
A
D
So,
are
we
good
on
this
one
any
any
one?
Other
great!
Thank
you
going
on
to
the
second
goal.
Just
keep
everyone
in
a
quick
second
I
read
that.
D
And
again,
we've
we've
already
voted
on
the
goal,
but
keeping
the
potential
strategies
here
is
what
we're
seeking
agreement
on
right
now-
and
we've
talked
about
this
since
the
very
beginning
of
our
board.
I
think
it's
one
of
the
very
first
things
that
we've
talked
about
and
discussed
is
finding
new
forms
of
public
hearings
or
debate
or
paneling,
and
the
small
outreach
meetings
seem
to
be
pretty
well
liked
in
our
last
meeting
as
well.
D
D
So
currently-
and
this
is
this-
is
all
we
have
as
far
as
measurements
website
visits,
YouTube
views,
public
testimonies
and
that's
the
number
of
public
testimonies
that
we
have,
but
on
the
table.
Still,
we
don't
have
any
specific
plans
for
this,
but
we
think
these
are
probably
good.
Strategies
is
get
a
survey
via
newsletter.
Send
a
survey
out
during
the
public
hearings,
especially
the
ones
where
we
have
a
lot
of
people
interested
and
again
sort
of
community
meetings
with
hab
form
or
different
members.
D
So
what
I'd
ask
right
in
this
moment
is:
does
anyone
have
any
better
baseline
measurement
things
that
they
would
like
to
see?
Aside
from
these,
that
I
have
listed
here
again?
This
is
a
tough
one,
especially
since
we're
only
a
year
into
this,
and
we
don't
exactly
know
I
guess
well,
what
makes
an
engagement
committee
successful
the
question
we
should
be
answering:
what's.
C
D
One
good
way
that
I
just
thought
of
this
very
second
was
you
know:
housing
is
on
the
latest
Community
Survey.
The
biggest
concern
may
be
tracking
that
progress
over
time
is
a
good
way
to
see
if
we're
addressing
the
issue
is
strongly
as
we
can
I
realize
that's
more
than
just
the
engagement
process,
but
that's
probably
a
good
metric
to
measure
I.
E
A
I'm
curious,
if
we
add
in
projects
like
that
I'm,
it
feels
like
it
would
get,
because
they
already
do
a
really
great
job
of
narrowing
down
their
surveys
specifically
for
their
projects.
And
if
we're
talking
about
feedback
specifically
on
hab
and
our
engagement
process,
I
feel
like
those
five
questions,
might
be
tailored
very
different.
But
yeah.
D
I
A
And
also
to
Judy's
point
about
whether
or
not
be
heard
Boulder
and
Sarah
would
want
to
do.
This
is
what's
interesting.
It
was
last
year
during
the
application
period
was
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
feedback
loops
right,
so
this
might
be
a
fantastic
way
to
if
they're
open
to
it,
to
consider
a
larger
project
of
a
feedback
loop
on.
A
I'm
gonna
say
it
out
loud,
maybe
boards
and
commissions
in
city,
so
that
people
can.
We
can
start
to
get
the
feedback
loop
on
some
of
the
projects,
etc
that
we're
working
on.
Not
just
do
you
like
to
see
more
housing
or
less
housing,
but
actually,
how
do
you
think
we're
doing
so
that
you
actually
have
a
review
a
way
to
review
the
engagement
that
the
city's
doing,
including
us
as
boards
and
Commission
I,
was.
E
E
In
nonprofits
that
try
to
get
satisfaction
of
clients
or
consumers
or
whatever
they
often
do
at
events
like
if
we
were
having
a
public
hearing,
what
we
talked
about
was
sending
out.
You
know
like
a
little
half
paged
each
person
with
maybe
two
or
three
questions
that
they
can
either
put
their
name
or
remain
anonymous.
Just
anonymous,
and
it's
like,
did
you
get?
What
did
you
want
out
of
this?
Did
you
get
it
out
of
what
was
your
satisfaction
level
whatever,
and
then
you
can
start
building
a
baseline
like
the
first
year.
E
If
you
have
only
42
percent
who
answered
felt
satisfied,
then
you
want
to
set
your
goal
as
at
least
trying
to
get
above
50%
next
time.
So
it's
that
sort
of
thing
it's
where
we
regularly
at
public
hearings
would
pass
something
out
that
the
engagement
committee
would
be
responsible
for
doing
it,
wouldn't
be
Corey's
problem
to
to
do
it.
You
know
we
would
pass
it
out
and
and
collected
at
the
end,
and
that's
that's
what
we
meant
by
that
I
think.
G
My
only
the
public
areas
and
the
community
meetings
I
was
seeing
that
I'm
just
curious
about
the
newsletter
process.
The
newsletter
goes
out
with
requests
for
feedback,
and
what's
that
feedback
loop?
In
other
words,
how
does
that
information
come
back
from
a
newsletter?
Is
just
I'm
just
curious.
What
that
process
looks
like.
D
So
we
discussed
last
time
that
newsletters
we
would
want
on
a
very
specific
basis
if
we
ever
do
set
up
an
email
list
of
any
sort.
That
again
is
another
it's
a
process
with
in
itself
that
would
have
to
be
set
up.
We
don't
necessarily
have
a
specific
need
or
interest
right
now
to
do
that.
That
was
just
sort
of
a
potential.
D
C
You've
all
been
on
the
board
longer
than
I
have.
What's
you
know
so
far?
What
do
you
have?
A
favorite
example
of
engagement
and
and
yourself
yourself
to
when
planning
board
or
other
forts
and
oh
look
I'll
go
for
it's
my
favorite
one
was
manufactured
housing.
We
had
a
lot
of
people,
it
was
I
thought
it
was
dynamic.
It
was
engaging
in
and
very
fulfilling
I
mean
I
thought.
We
were
really
engaged
and
respected
by
the
community
and
our
engagement
with
them,
and
but
that's
the
best
example
I
could
give,
and
maybe
you
have
others.
D
Agree
with
you
just
because
that
was
the
most
recent
one
we
haven't
had
that
many
big
issues
come
across
to
be
honest
with
you,
where
we
would
have
a
lot
of
people
out
yeah.
My
only
thing
is
I
still
think,
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
change
and
growth
in
that
area,
because
just
the
simple
public
process
of
people
coming
up
here
and
talking
on
the
podium-
that's
not
super
inviting
to
everyone
in
general,
so
I
still
think
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
getting
different
type
of
feedback.
It.
C
Seems
like
there's
one
if
I
went
back
through
the
emails
that
I've
received
since
I
didn't
engage
on
the
board.
There
would
be
what
I'd
politely
call
over
sampling
from
one
person:
that's
not
bad,
but
if
we
had
you
know
a
hundred
people
or
a
thousand
people,
emailing
and
emailing,
sometimes
people
can
be
a
little
anonymous
or
a
little
easier
for
people
to
do
rather
than
standing
up
in
front
of
a
microphone.
A
So
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
is
that
these
potential
strategies
are
just
that
potential
strategies
and
possibilities
to
achieve
each
one
of
these
goals.
And
when
we
had
talked
in
the
past
about
some
of
the
email,
neela
newsletters
and
connecting
with
individuals.
There
was
a
lot
of
like
drilling
down
to
the
details
like
who
would
manage
the
list
and
how
would
we
collect-
and
you
know
all
that
so
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
you
want
to
in
general,
get
agreement
buy-in
from
all
of
us
regarding
the
goals
and
the
potentials
strategies
and
the.
C
D
I
do
want
to
include
the
number
of
in-person
audience.
Members
I
think
that's
an
important
one
to
include
that
we
didn't
hear
as
a
measurement
and
then
something
I'd
be
heard,
bolder
as
a
potential
place
for
a
survey,
so
those
two
I
would
definitely
add,
and
if
we
approve
that
I'll
add
that
after
the
fact
it
will
already
be
approved.
Yes,
so.
A
E
E
So
the
things
we
were
thinking
of
doing
were
Flyers
to
all
the
affordable
housing
residents
and
you
can
get
a
there's
a
list
online
of
all
the
addresses.
So
we
don't
need
to
have
the
names
and
we
can
just
deliver
the
Flyers
in
both
Spanish
in
English
and
letter
to
the
editor,
which
we
want.
Your
feedback
on
a
very
brief
letter
to
counsel
Jeff
gave
really
helpful
input
on
that
and
then
just
a
little
thing
to
try
and
get
in
the
newspaper
under
the
what's
going
on
sort
of
section
and
then
as
a
separate
issue.
E
A
E
So
the
ones
that
seem
to
be
easier,
how
about
the
really
short
one
that
just
sort
of
the
who?
What
when,
where
to
try
and
get
just
a
very
simple
one
that
says
the
boulder
Housing
Advisory
Board,
invites
affordable
housing
residents,
affordable
housing
providers
and
the
general
public
to
participate
in
a
public
hearing
about
the
affordable
housing
experience.
Six
o'clock
p.m.
on
April
24th
at
the
Municipal
Building
at
17-17
Broadway
period
and.
E
Zack,
who
is
our
tech
person,
comes
back
to
work
after
parental
leave
on
March
11th,
and
we
don't
want
to
bother
him
the
first
few
days,
but
right
after
that,
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
a
meeting
with
him
to
talk
about
being
on
next
door.
Otherwise
we
can
try
something
ourselves
and
what
what
else
the
city
might
be
able
to
do.
But
the
next
thing
would
be
I
guess
the
letter.
C
A
F
E
I'm,
sorry,
okay!
Yes,
when
I
was
working
on
a
television
show
for
the
city
and
Patrick
van
Kaiser,
Ling
was
already
in
place.
We
were
able
to
have.
We
were
changing
the
name
of
the
program
from
senior
spotlight
and
we
had
a
contest
where
we
offered
a
free
dinner
to
the
winner
of
the
person
who
came
up
with
the
best
new
name,
which
became
50th,
and
that
I
mean
we
never
heard
that
that
wasn't.
C
C
B
E
F
C
E
Okay,
let's
go
to
the
flyer
next,
this
would
be.
We
would
reduce
the
size
that
you're
seeing
it
now
so
that
it
would
be
just
half
a
page
and
Cory
was
kind
enough
to
translate
it
into
Spanish
as
well,
and
we
would
just
put
these
on
each
door.
You
can't
put
them
in
mailboxes
cuz,
that's
not
legal,
but
you
can
put
them
at
each
door.
E
E
I
can
get
to
I
guess
the
list
I
got
was
Boulder
housing
partners
list,
so
I
could
at
least
get
to
that,
and
it's
not
as
awful
as
it
sounds,
because
it's
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
done
leafleting
for
political
things
before,
but
we
just
do.
You
know
they're
all
next
to
each
other.
Just
do
it.
E
H
A
A
I
F
We
can
certainly
help
think
through
a
plan
to
help
generate
to
let
people
know
and
hopefully
generate
some
interest
in
participating
in
this.
That's
certainly
within
our
role
and
we
would
potentially
be
able
to
help
with
some
of
dress.
So
I
would
just
ask
you
to
keep
that
in
mind,
and
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
Zack
to
be
back
there.
Other
communication
staff
we
can
meet
with
if
you'd
like
to
do
it
before
he's
available.
D
A
Proposing
in
the
new
year,
what
we
could
do
is
set
aside
on
our
agenda,
maybe
after
matters
from
the
board,
or
something
like
that,
where
every
time,
unless
our
schedule
start
to
get
really
full
a
half
hour
where
we
can
invite
in
maybe
some
particular
people
around
a
topic.
So
if
we
say
homeless
or
houseless
individuals-
and
we
invite
several
community
members
who
are
activists
in
this
area
to
come
and
participate
and
speak
about
it
as
a
way
to
engage
and
inform
yeah.
A
E
Just
like
to
add
I
think
that's
an
outstanding
idea
and
yeah
and
I
hope
we
yeah
that
the
agenda
committee
gets
that
on
for
us
to
make
plans
to
do
something
every
month.
The
engagement
committee
could
certainly
do
something
to
get
that
word
out
to
that
particular
population
I.
Think
it's
a
great
idea.
B
B
B
B
D
E
E
I
E
E
But
I'm
good,
okay,
so
the
next
one
would
be
the
newest
version
that
I
sent
out
yesterday.
I
guess:
do
you
have
that
of
the
letter
to
the
editor
that
I
just
sent
out
I
think
it
was
yesterday
of
both
the
letter
to
the
editor
and
then
suggested
letter
to
council
and
I
just
made
a
few
changes
in
that
based
on
on
some
of
your
suggestions
and
Jeff
may
want
to
add
some
more.
E
F
I
E
E
I
C
C
But
the
it
just
wasn't
clear
to
me:
reading
it
colder
that
it
was
upcoming
verses
to
past
so
I
think
if
you
had,
if
you
were
comfortable,
adding
2019
gotcha
April
meeting
that
it
would
be
clear
that
this
is
to
happen
in
the
future,
rather
than
something
that
we
were
counting
for.
That
happened
in
the
past.
C
E
C
E
D
D
This
was
gonna,
be
you
know
if
we
decide
that
a
survey
is
important,
an
exit
survey
for
affordable
housing
residents
that
would
go
directly
to
staff.
That
would
not
be
a
thing
that
council
could
decide
on.
We
could
make
that
same
recommendation
to
Council,
but
this
isn't
supposed
to
be
for
council.
Am
I
capturing
that
correctly
when,
throughout
our
discussions.
D
F
You
can
make
recommendations
to
staff,
the
city
manager
or
the
City,
Council
and
I.
Think
our
discussion
was
that
possibly
the
input
you
would
receive
and
the
thinking
and
discussion
you
would
have-
might
prompt
you
to
propose
work
items.
That's
for
accounting,
your
you
know
in
your
twice-yearly
letters
to
council,
but
that
probably
going
to
a
recommendation
without
having
their
approval
of
you
working
on
it
wasn't
what
you
wanted
to
imply.
A
D
A
A
F
Think
this
is
a
consequence
of
me
saying
and
the
discussion
we
had
that
asked
if
somebody
has
to
send
it
and
typically
it's
the
it's
the
board
on
be
a
chair
on
behalf
of
the
board
as
a
whole.
I
think
what
you're
referencing
is
a
procedural
question
is
to
if
we
say
it's
coming
from
the
board
as
a
whole,
what
does
that
actually
mean?
Is
it
is?
It
majority
is
a
supermajority.
A
A
A
Support
you
guys
from
the
engagement
committee
and
if
you
sat
up
here
and
said
it's
something
you
really
want.
It's
not
like
I'd
oppose
it,
but
to
have
my
name
and
have
it
coming
from
the
chair
and
me
alone.
That
feels
like
I
put
my
stamp
on
it
and
I'm
really
pushing
or
moving
this
forward
and
I.
Don't
know
that
I
feel
that
strongly
about
it
to
do
it.
So
that's
does
that
make
sense
totally.
G
I
agree:
I
think
it
should
come
from
the
whole
board
and
not
just
from
you.
The
other
piece
that
I
might
suggest
in
this
is
that
closing
statement
I
almost
feel
like
it
would
be
more
valuable
to
express
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
through
this
in
some
manner,
saying
maybe
recommendations
are
to
the
city
manager
or
to
Council
is
a
potential
outcome,
but
I
think
what
would
give
you
even
more
value
than
that
in
that
last
10
minutes
to
say
what
are
we
trying
to
accomplish
by
having
this
meeting
yeah
there's?
G
What
what
are
we
hoping
to
find
out
and
what
relief
may
we
be
trying
to
provide
to
the
affordable
housing
community
in
doing
this
outreach?
So
in
some
ways,
I
almost
feel
like
that
last
piece
could
land
it.
We
feel
like
it's
not
necessary
to
say
whether
we're
gonna
make
a
recommendation
for
work
plan
in
2020
or
not
I.
Don't
think
that
is
necessary
in
this
in
this
letter,
what
I
feel
is
important
is
to
express
our
purpose
in
doing
this.
E
The
table
is
just
not
curved
quite
enough,
so
I
like
the
idea
of
having
a
final
sentence
that
sums
up
our
intentions.
The
reason
why
the
whole
reason
why
I
think
it's
important
to
write
the
letter
at
all
is
so
that
when
council
sees
or
hears
about
our
publicity
for
the
event,
they
don't
go.
Oh
no.
We
just
told
them
to
stick
to
the
work
plan
and
they're
doing
something.
They're
gonna
try
and
bring
something
to
us
and
that's
not
what
we're
doing
I
want
them
to
know.
E
This
is
something
that's
gone
on
for
eight
months
that
was
brought
to
us
by
the
public.
It's
a
public
engagement
issue
for
which
we
should
be
responsible
and
and
that
any
recommendations
we
make
at
this
time
will
be
going
to
the
city
manager,
not
them
so
I.
To
me
that
sentence
is
very
important.
I
do
like
the
idea
of
a
follow-up
and
I
don't
care
at
all.
If
it's
for
Mason
or
the
whole
board,
it's
all
fine
with
it.
That's
all
fine,
so
I'd.
A
So,
if
we're,
if
our
purpose
is
we're
coming
to
a
conclusion
on
something
that
started
in
2018
and
again,
some
type
type
type
of
tightness
on
that
I
feel
like.
We
can't
accomplish
what
you're
talking
about
and
I
vote
for,
removing
that
piece
of
it
as
well
landing
with
something
and
and
having
it
come
from
the
board.
A
E
A
A
G
F
Jeff,
yes,
so
it
seems
to
we
need
to
establish
a
standard
practice
for
that
kind
of
soliciting
input
and
the
best
way
of
doing
that
would
be
for
someone
to
put
something
out
and
all
comments
go
to
corey
and
then,
if
easily
reconcilable,
we
we
can
do
that.
If
they
are
not,
we
can't
you
can't,
engage
in
a
dialogue
over
email
about
substantive
issues,
so
we'll
have
to
make
a
call
as
to
whether
it
is
necessary
to
come
back
to
a
public
meeting
or
not.
F
A
F
A
So
what
we're
suggesting
just
to
recap
is
that
and
I'll
use,
for
example,
this
situation,
but
we're
talking
about
the
protocol
in
general
that
Jacque
and
I
would
read
draft
the
state.
The
last
line
put
it
out
to
the
group.
You
could
send
your
changes
to
Cori
and
if
there
was
any
real
conflict
or
anything
of
substance,
then
at
the
agenda,
meeting,
Adam
and
I
or
whoever
would
be
chair
and
co-chair
of
AIESEC
share
would
be
able
to
work
out
the
last
gist
of
it.
C
A
D
B
Jeff
correct
me,
but
I
mean
I'm
so
used
to
working
in
the
planning
sphere
that
usually
at
end
the
City
Council,
but
usually
at
agenda
committees.
There's
no
decisions
made
it's
oh.
Is
it
ready
for
prime
time
I
mean
that's
the
number
one
decision,
but
it's
not
set
up
agenda
committees
to
be
a
committee
that
will
make
substantive
decisions
so
I
just?
Is
it
possible.
F
I
F
Sorry,
I
didn't
understand
your
question,
so
for
me,
the
of
the
matter
is:
does
reconciling
some
edits
to
on
a
communication
that
has
been
generally
approved
according
to
a
plan
that
the
board
approve?
Does
that
rise
to
the
level
of
needing
to
occur
in
a
public
meeting?
I
think
that's.
What
crystal
you
were
referring
to
is
a
subset
of
the
board.
Can't
can't
take
meaningful
action
on
behalf
of
the
board.
You
can't
delegate
to
two
of
your
members,
the
authority
to
make
a
recommendation
to
Council
right.
F
A
Thank
you
and
letter.
Let
us
know
so
as
so
that
we've
got
two
different
issues
here
going
on
right
now,
then
we
need
an
answer
on
this
line
and
moving
forward,
and
then
we
also
are
talking
about
overall
protocol
or
how
we
could
handle
these
in
the
future
with
our
month
long
meetings
versus
our
bi-weekly.
So
let's
take
part
one.
A
C
G
Maybe
kind
of
the
best
move
is
that
we
actually
put
together
a
draft
committee
real
quick.
Now
we
talked
about
Mason
and
I,
but
from
a
certain
perspective,
I
think
that
that
base
committee
would
maybe
be
better
served
to
be,
let's
say:
Judy
and
myself
or
Judy
and
Mason
or
Adam.
Someone
from
this
committee
who's
already
put
this
together
and
then
one
of
us
that
has
the
concern
that
we've
had
about
how
it's
crafted.
G
We
can
work
something
out
between
the
two
of
us
that
we
think
fits
that
middle
ground,
and
then
we
could
present
that,
across
to
everybody,
I
think
there's
a
better
chance
that
we'll
we'll
hit
something
that
that
the
other
three
on
the
board
can
then
be
like
okay,
we've
kind
of
we
won't
have
to
do
any,
and
we
won't
have
to
do
that.
Extra
right.
B
A
B
B
D
C
E
Just
like
for
a
second
to
go
back
about
where
the
genesis
of
this
whole
letter
came
from,
and
people
were
asking
about
the
letter
to
the
editor
and
what
my
concern
was
and
I
said.
My
concern
was
that
council
doesn't
know
and
I
don't
want
them
to
be
surprised
and
I,
don't
want
them
to
be
agitated
when
they
find
out
we're
doing
this.
So
my
interest
in
the
whole
letter
is:
do
we
do
that
and
right
now,
I
felt
like
the
last
sentence
might
have
done
that.
A
I
think
what
Jacques
and
I
are
saying
is
that
we
hear
you,
we
understand
what
you're
saying
that
you
like
Adam,
said
you
don't
want
to
piss
off
council,
and
we
understand
that
and
we
will
keep
you
informed
of
the
input
received
is
not
a
purpose
statement.
It's
not,
and
what
Jacques
and
I
were
talking
about
is
the
purpose
of
this
meeting.
Is
this
and
then
that
way
it
doesn't,
and
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
to
wrap
up
the
following
project
to
the
end
of
it.
A
E
Can
we
just
take
a
straw
vote
is
like
are
the
majority
of
people
here?
Are
there
three
people
that
are
unhappy
that
don't
want
I'm
unhappy?
I
was
good.
There
are
three
people,
they
don't
want
that
want
the
last
sentence
changed.
Are
there
three
people
that
want
the
last
change
change
from?
Have
me,
make
one
or
more
modest
recommendations,
the
city
manager,
but
will
not
be
making
any
recommendations
to
Council?
Are
there.
C
C
C
B
G
Take
on
I
feel
like
the
last
sentence
is
a
little
provocative
as
it
sits
so
I'd
like
to
soften
it
in
a
sense
from
that
sense.
But
I
also
don't
want
to
limit
us
from
saying
you
know
what,
if
something
important
comes
out
of
this,
and
we
want
to
put
this
on
workplan
next,
we're
gonna
put
on
work
plan
next
year
and
I.
Don't
want
to
suggest
that
we're
not
going
to
do
that
if
we
find
something
valuable
and
something
that
can
get
chewed
on.
E
A
A
And
again,
what
I
think
this
begs,
the
question
of
is
whether
or
not
we're
gonna
do
consensus
full
agreement?
Is
this
come
from
the
full
board?
One
person,
just
the
engagement
committee,
so
I
think
that
lens
of
when
we
look
at
this
is
very
different
for
anybody
who's.
You
know,
because
you
had
made
in
the
statement
in
the
last
meeting
that
said
that
you
would
rather
not
say.
C
A
H
D
We're
making
this
specific
that
ask
on
each
of
these
pieces,
actually
the
one
we
just
covered
that
would
be
our
ask:
was
since
it's
going
to
council,
the
whole
board
would
be
on
board
with
it
for
this
letter
to
the
editor.
This
would
come
specifically
just
from
the
have
engagement
committee,
so
we're
trying
to
specify
the
ask
in
advance
of
the
board's
approval
of
it.
D
Would
still
need
full
board
approval
too
soon
board
approval,
well,
a
majority,
sorry,
okay,
a
majority
to
approve
it
for
us
to
send
it
in
this
form,
as
with
everything
it's
so
much
already
rule
on
this
board,
so
I
must
want
to
draft
a
rule.
That
says
has
to
be
unanimous
for
every
piece
that
we
send
out
to
be
approved,
which
we
can
absolutely
do
if
you
want
it's.
D
C
C
It
seems
like
yeah,
not
just
you,
but
the
entire
board
would
get
benefit
if
you
could,
if
you
could
find
access
to
someone
that
maybe
writes
press
releases,
writes
public
relations
stuff
that
just
as
a
community
service
people
that
do
that
routinely
it's
a
quick
rewrite.
I
mean
it's
a
it's
three
to
five
minutes
to
do
that,
it's
not
a
big
ask
for
someone
and
I
think
it
might
add
some
brevity
and
clarity
to
it,
and
if,
if
we
took
that
approach,
it
might
mean
that
it.
C
You
know,
as
we
come
to
a
meeting
and
if
we
had
a
letter
like
this
to
sign
off
on
it
might
make
it
a
little
easier
and
more
fluid
to
do
that
and
they
knew
there's
a
risk
of
offending
on
that
I
tend
to
in
the
past.
I
was
a
former
associate
editor
for
the
corporate
public
relations
journal,
but
I'm
reluctant
to
engage
in
that
because
it
can
people
could
be
sensitive
about
being
edited
and
you
put
a
lot.
You
put
a
lot
into
this
and
it
shows
you've
put
a
lot
into
it.
D
E
So
yeah
I'm
not
offended
or
sensitive
about
it
at
all,
but
letters
to
the
editor.
Well,
when
I
worked
with
nonprofits,
the
long
on
times
had
a
workshop
for
people
on
how
to
do
publicity
for
their
nonprofits
and
the
person
who
led
it
was
actually
Quentin
young
who's.
Now
the
editor
for
at
the
boulder
daily
camera-
and
they
talked
a
lot
about
who?
What
where,
when?
Why
is
very
important
in
articles?
E
Maybe
your
essays
are
some
certain
sort
of
things,
but
letters
to
the
editor
are
a
different
sort
of
animal
and,
if
everyone
just
put
who
what
where,
when
why
every
nonprofit
an
agency
in
town
would
send
their
things
to
the
letter
to
the
editor
and
you
sort
of
have
to
make
it
a
story
and
I'm
not
touchy
at
all
about
how
anyone
wants
to
change
the
letter.
People
can
people
can
say
this,
isn't
working
for
me
and
I'll,
try
a
draft
and
submit
it
next
time.
E
We
we
have
time
because
it
doesn't,
we
don't
want
it
to
go
out,
tell
the
Sunday
before
the
meeting.
So
that's
fine.
It's
just
that
in
a
letter
to
the
editor.
You
don't
want
brevity,
people
don't
read
letters
to
the
editor
for
that
reason,
and
they
wouldn't
get
printed.
If
we
just
said
who
what,
where,
when
why
see.
C
I,
don't
think
I
agree
with
that
I
I
think
people
typically
probably
would
read
three
to
four
hundred
words
and
getting
read
is
very
important.
If
you
write
a
letter
to
the
editor
and
getting
read
would
be
helpful
to
have
someone,
that's
four
pairs
of
documents.
That
says
this
has
a
very
high
probability
of
getting
read
in
the
letter
and
in
moreover,
being
understood
and
communicated
with
that
now
some
people
take
will
take
time
and
read.
C
E
Well-
and
they
do
have
a
word
count
in
this-
this
is
under
300
words
and
I'm
perfectly
delighted
if
you
want
to
take
a
shot
at
writing
letter.
The
editor
we're
happy
to
have
help
and
want
to
write
letter.
The
editor
that
is,
you
know,
engaging
to
the
public
and
and
still
gives
information
I'm
more
than
happy
for
you
to
do
it
in
the
word.
Count
is
300
yeah.
C
What
I
would
suggest
is
is
if
he
had
someone
that
you
know
that
you
liked
and
respected
and
found
someone
that
value
adds
as
a
as
an
objective
third
party.
You
know
it's
a
little
risky.
You
know
as
a
fellow
board
member
for
me
to
do
that,
rather
than
finding
someone
a
colleague
a
friend,
that's
it
kind
of
trades
in
that
space.
C
If
you
will
that
that
can
be
a
really
quick
and
effective,
rewrite
and
I
know
what
I
write
articles
for
stuff
I
go
and
seek
out
an
editor
and
I
need
that,
because
I
write
unedited
it's
it's
kind
of
like
a
it's
like
handing
in
a
first
draft.
If
you
will
a
little
bit
and
it's
risky
and
you
can
make
it
really
really
good
with
that
input
from
somebody
like
that,.
A
F
A
Be
interesting
if
we
could
potentially
because
it's
different
than
other
boards
and
our
engagement
is
more
robust
than
I
think
some
of
the
other
boards.
Besides
projects
like
when
you
know
transportations,
doing
their
project
or
something
like
that,
just
curious,
if
ongoing
or
it
could
be
even
something
fun
where
you
know
we
work
with
Cu
class,
that's
working
with
us
for
a
semester
or
something
like
that.
I.
B
G
A
A
F
Think
you
would
want
to
start
with
agreeing
on
what
you
want
to
accomplish
in
the
meeting.
What
does
success?
Look
like
then?
You,
your
communications,
flow
from
that
you
know
if
you
if
success,
is
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
engage
on
affordable
housing
questions.
That's
one
thing:
if
is
we
one
of
potential
work
plan
items
to
be
surfaced?
That's
an
they're,
not
mutually
exclusive.
Obviously,
so
it's
not
entirely
clear
to
me
what
you
want
to
accomplish
by
holding
this
event
and
I
think
that's
making
your
attempts
to
communicate
about
it
hard.
F
D
D
What
I
say
owners
I
meant
not
the
owners
of
the
affordable
housing
units,
but
we
want
them
to
so.
I
read
every
level
every
person
who
interacts
with
the
affordable
housing
process.
We
wanted
as
many
of
those
experiences
as
possible.
We
want
them
to
tell
those
experiences,
both
positive
and
negative,
to
sort
of
answer
the
questions.
D
What
is
the
affordable
housing
experience
like?
Are
we
capturing
fully
as
a
community
that
it
is
in
fact
affordable,
and
what
might
we
suggest
to
either
city
manager
or
counsel,
hopefully
not
counsel,
for
improvements
to
the
process,
something
like
a
survey
and
exit
survey,
that's
sort
of
where
this
all
came
from,
and
it
feels
pretty
correct
me
if
I'm
not
encapsulating
that.
C
C
I
do
why
are
we
doing
this?
I
I?
Don't
I
just
had
to
kind
of
back
up,
and
one
thought
I
had
was
just
if
I
put
myself
in
the
role
of
an
affordable
housing
developer,
whether
it's
the
housing
agency
of
BHP
or
another
of
not-for-profit
or
a
for-profit,
affordable
housing
developer.
The
idea
of
someone
independent,
who
we
don't
really
know
without
kind
of
that
direction
or
khun's
at
a
minimum
consent
of
City
Council's
contacting
the
residents
could
be,
could
be
deeply
not
received.
Well
I
mean
these.
C
Are
people
that,
if
you
put
yourself
in
the
role
of
developer,
they're,
cashing
a
check
from
these
residents
every
month,
then
they
have
a
certain
baseline
of
whatever
their
relationship
is
with
those
tenants
of
how
they
interact
and
they
have
times
I
mean
a
big
part
of
that
management
is
managing
tenants,
satisfaction,
some
of
which
are
reasonable,
and
some
of
which
are
really
not.
You
know,
tenant
expectations
of
affordable
housing,
some
of
which
it's
just
it's
it's.
It's
not
reasonable.
You're,
not!
C
C
A
And
so,
when
we
step
back
and
we
take
a
look-
yes,
we
collected
all
of
this
information
but
as
we
move
forward
into
2019-
and
it
appears
that
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
wrap
this
up
and
check
a
box
right
and
I
guess
the
larger
question
is:
is
it
necessary
and
for
what
purpose?
So,
if
we're
not
going
to
get
the
people
to
the
table,
which
maybe
the
developers
or
the
partners
or
stakeholders,
because
we're
not
sanctioned
by
the
city
or
supported
by
the
city,
to
do
this,
this
effort
in
this
organization
is
this?
A
The
best
use
of
our
time
is
this
the
direction
that
we
want
to
go
or
is
this
information
tabled
and
we
focus
on
something
that
is
within
the
purview
of
our
work
plan
and
goals,
and
we
start
to
collect
or
put
our
energy
and
effort
towards
that
I?
Guess
that's
kind
of
what
I
paused
into
and
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
a
direct
answer,
but
it's
just
let's
take
a
breath,
pause
on
it
for
a
second
and
see
what
comes
up
from
that.
H
D
D
D
One
of
our
thoughts
on
that
exact
question:
you
just
asked
how?
How
do
we
gather
that
data
was
to
have
an
exit
survey,
and
that
was
where
the
whole
we
might
have
to
make
a
suggestion.
The
staff
thing
came
from
was
that
might
have
been
a
recommendation
of
ours
to
staff,
to
ask
that
all
of
our
affordable
housing
partners
have
an
exit
survey.
So
we
know
because
right
now
we
don't
know
why
people
are
leaving
necessarily
if
it
is
in
fact
a
you
know
what
an
ami
goes
up
and
the
rents
go
up
with
that.
D
Does
that
drive
people
that
we
don't
actually
have
that
information
Jeff
gave
us
some
I
think
from
about
sixty
some
percent
of
what
we
do
know,
but
that
isn't
a
specific!
You
know,
that's
just
a
thing
that
those
partners
do
on
their
own
accord.
It's
not
mandated
by
the
city
anything
like
that.
That's
just
willing
information
that
they're
giving
us
yeah,
so
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
main
questions.
My
second
point
and
keeping
focused
on
this
is
I.
Don't
know
a
whole
lot
about
the
affordable
housing
living
experience
personally
and
I.
D
Think
it's
pretty
important
as
this
board
functions,
that
we
hear
from
that
group
of
people
and
not
just
on
the
negative
side
when
they
came
to
us
to
tell
us.
You
know
that
they
can't
handle
the
increases
when
ami
goes
up
and
we've
already
seen
a
great
improvement
from
that
experience
with
the
30
to
60
day
notice
for
for
rent
increases.
So
the
second
part
is
really
just
I
want
to
know
more
I
want
to
know
more
about
that
experience.
We
just
talked
about
having
some
homeless
advocates
and
homeless
people
here.
D
To
tell
about
that
experience,
because
that's
another
experience,
I,
don't
know
a
lot,
and
wouldn't
we
have
this
time
that
we
don't
have
to
be
working
on
the
bigger
issues.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
age
with
those
aspects
of
the
community.
We
don't
know
a
lot
about
so
for
me,
this
is
still
an
important
process,
so.
A
E
Sure
I'll
approach
it
from
a
little
bit
different
perspective,
I
believe
everyone
on
the
board
and
Jeff
and
Cory
agreed
that
we're
all
interested
in
affordable
housing
and
we're
all
interested
in
engagement
like
we
see
that
as
really
part
of
what
we
do.
People
came
to
our
meetings
as
far
as
I
know,
unsolicited
more
than
once,
with
a
fair
amount
of
people
who
had
stories
about
their
concerns
about
rising
costs
and
amenities.
E
That
may
or
may
not
be
reflected
of
a
larger
group
and
again
we
don't
really
know
that
I've
gotten
to
know
some
affordable
housing
providers
who
I
think
they're
great.
We
went
on
this
tour
and
we
saw
some
great
places
and
I
believe.
Actually
the
city
wants
to
know
if
there
are
some
glitches
in
affordable
housing
that
can
be
remedied,
because
the
city
certainly
doesn't
want
to
be
building
affordable,
housing
that
the
people
who
need
it
most
can't
afford
to
live
in.
E
So
we
so
all
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
see
what's
happening
out
there
and
give
providers
a
chance
give
when
we
get
into
this
later,
we'll
talk
about
what
we
had
in
mind
for
the
meeting
and
we
had
in
mind
asking
maybe
one
of
the
people
who
led
our
tour
to
talk
about
affordable
housing
a
bit.
So
they
can
talk
about
all
the
great
things
that
are
happening,
that
we
can
agree
with
and
also
hear
from
people
about
they're
good.
E
There
may
be
people
there
may
be
people
who
come
and
say
simply
I
am
so
grateful
to
have
affordable
housing.
Thank
you
so
much
city
of
Boulder,
right,
I,
don't
know
what
to
expect,
but
I
think
it's
really
worthwhile
to
find
out
and
I
actually
feel
it's
our
obligation,
because
the
people
came
to
talk
to
us
trusted
us
as
a
place
where
they
could
go
to
be
heard
and
I
just
think
we
have
an
obligation
to
pursue
it.
G
G
Think
there's
a
maybe
a
little
bit
after
listening
to
you
just
now
speaking
I
do
think
that
I
recognize
the
concern
and
I
can
see
that
we
don't
want
this
to
turn
into
tit-for-tat
or
a
back-and-forth
between
you
know,
tenants
and
providers.
Let's
say
right.
We
want
to
bring
in
I
think
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
feeling
to
me
in
the
letter
the
way
that
it
was
drafted,
that
it
was
and-
and
we
kind
of
got
into
this
a
little
bit
like
what
do
we?
G
What
is
that
that
purpose
of
pulling
it
forward
I
think
this
last
little
line
that
we
put
in
did
soften
that
somewhat,
but
even
so
hearing
Mike's
concerns
I
feel
like
there
may
be
good
reason
to
look
at
the
body
of
it.
A
little
bit,
but
maybe
we
should
just
put
it
up
and
kind
of
look
at
it
as
it
exists
now,
I
value
the
fact
that
we
started
this
process
I
think
and
that
would
be
Mike
in
a
sense.
G
My
counter
and
I
do
feel
like
we
want
to
bring
closure
and
I
think
it's
worth
offering
another
opportunity
for
people
who
have
put
in
put
in
before
to
hear
from
us
what
we
found
where
we
feel
that
we
kind
of
have
landed
on
it.
Just
get
feedback
from
us
and
I
do
agree,
it's
slow
at
the
moment,
so
to
speak
in
some
ways
and
I
think
the
opportunity
to
get
in
front
of
the
public
and
hear
what
they
having
their
concerns
and
hopefully
be
able
to
really
pull
out.
G
As
we
said
here,
if
I
can
pull
this
thing
up,
real
quick,
both
the
you
know,
I
mean.
As
we
said,
we
want
to
look
at
the
aspects
of
this
program
that
are
working
well
and
they're,
serving
affordable
housing
residents
and
kind
of
wrap
up,
also
things
that
we
see
where
there's
room
for
improvement
and
just
to
get
our
feet
on
the
ground
a
little
bit
better
around
what
that
means.
G
G
Don't
think
that
we
put
that
down
anywhere,
so
I
think
that
meeting
would
just
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
get
ourselves
to
that
point
where
we're
ready
to
say
here
are
the
findings
in
that
in
that
way,
so
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
the
goal
of
this
in
a
way
is
to
say
what
are
the
findings?
What
have
we
gotten
to
after,
however
many
months?
It
was
since
we
had
that
April
or
whenever
that
first
meeting
was.
C
From
your
questions
about
what
you'd
like
to
know
and
I
can't
disagree
with
any
of
those
one
that
jumped
out
to
me
is
how
do
we
know
that
affordable
housing
isn't
deplorable
housing
in
the
experience
of
the
residents
and
I?
Don't
know
that
some
part
of
the
affordability
piece
by
my
observation
is
it's
driven
by
the
area,
median
income,
the
a.m.
is
and
and
it's
a
it's
a
metric
template.
If
you
will
that
overlays
the
fairly
state
or
not
to
say
that
that's
right
or
it's
fair
and
then
there's
some
percentage
of
that.
C
E
So,
first
of
all
that
sentence,
I,
love,
I-
think
it's
great
I
also
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
we've
already
had
some
accomplishments
in
this
effort
with
all
our
meetings,
because
we
winnowed
it
down
to
four
areas
that
we
thought
we
wanted
to
pursue
on
our
own
and
two
have
already
been
taken
care
of.
You
know
because
the
people
in
affordable
housing,
affordable
housing
residents
spoke
to
us.
Staff
did
pick
up
on
our
interest
in
changing
30
days
notice
to
sixty
days
notice
and
right
away
has
already
done
that.
E
So
that's
been
accomplished,
partly
because
we
were
here
and
the
concerns
that
people
had
in
Boulder
Junction
about
parking.
We
did
refer
that
to
the
boulder
Junction
access
district
parking,
Commission
and
and
and
provided
a
direct
link
with
the
people
who
had
concerns
to
go
talk
to
them.
So
we've
already
accomplished
some
things
already,
and
you
know
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we
can
go
ahead
and
talk
about
this
sentence.
I
think
is
great,
so.
D
I
want
your
you're
buy-in
still
that's
whether
or
not
this
is
important
enough
to
move
forward
with,
because
I
think
that
is
important
as
a
board
that
if
you
see
a
place
for
our
time,
that's
more
worthwhile
I
want
to
have
that
discussion
personally.
I
think
this
is
one
that
I
do
want
to
know
more
about.
G
So
my
buy-in
is
I.
Think
it's
worthwhile
I
think
there's
lots
to
still
be
done
in
this
realm.
I
had
a
couple
thoughts.
One
is
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
break,
I
think
between
the
quantifiable
data
and
qualitative
data,
in
a
sense
that
we'll
be
collecting
if
we
have
this
meeting
and
just
to
recognize
that
this
is
a
qualitative
informational
type
of
situation
and
the
data
that
we
really
want
in
some
ways
the
things
you're
talking
about,
like
how
many
people
are
leaving.
You
know
those
are
pieces
that
aren't
going
to
be
accomplished.
G
I,
don't
believe
through
through
this
process
right
and
we
couldn't
hope
for
that.
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of,
say,
I
think
it's
valuable
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
that
it's
it's
qualitative
findings
that
we're
kind
of
looking
for
and
that
we're
trying
to
get
to
the
other
piece
is
and
I
think
this
is
to
maybe
address
your
concern.
My
guess
that
it
might
be
something
that
we
want
to
consider
to
also
reach
out
to
these
developers.
G
People
who
are
that
we're
supposedly
inviting
here,
but
we
haven't
necessarily
reached
out
to
directly
in
this
conversation
that
we've
had
and
of
course,
yes,
we
have
public
meetings,
but
I
think
it
might
be
worth
our
while
to
also
put
a
brief
letter
to
them
a
slight
variation
on
this.
That
just
invites
them
to
the
process
and
explains
to
them
more
clearly
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
by
having
them
there
so
that
we
get
that
feedback,
because
we
need
it
from
both
sides.
If,
if
this
is
what
we're
really
looking
at
doing.
C
Manufactured
housing,
we
we
had
a
couple
of
owners
here:
I
think
there
were
two
or
three
mm-hmm,
but
if
the
situation
was
reversed,
if
we
only
went
to
the
developers
and
didn't
go
to
the
residents,
that
would
be
sort
of
like,
let's
count,
the
the
money
that
votes
so
to
speak,
as
opposed
to
the
tenants
vote
in
it's
an
important
voice
to
not
leave
out,
as
well
as
the
staff
I
think
from
from
the
city.
That
would
seem
to
be
accessible
for
just
a
just
a
discussion
about
some
of
those
dynamics
and
including
that
process.
C
D
Our
intent
was
definitely
to
allow
staff
or
actually
requests
and
stuff
would
give
a
presentation
of
very
brief
presentation
about
affordable
housing
what's
been
going
on
in
the
community,
so
everyone
has
a
basis
of
knowledge
before
the
discussion
is
open
to
everyone
in
the
public,
because
I
don't
think
we
talk
about
what
we've
accomplished
enough:
we're
regionally
the
best
city
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing.
I,
don't
think
that
gets
talked
about
enough.
So
is.
A
When
I
kind
of
look
over
the
list
that
both
of
you
have
expressed
as
far
as
one
question
being,
how
could
we
better?
You
know
if
there
was
anything
else
to
serve
our
time
with
we
don't
have
any
projects
on
our
work
plan
at
the
moment,
affordable
living
experience
is
important
to
understand
and
to
hear
more
from
the
residents
if
they
want
to
participate.
I
am
concerned
about
both
the
buy-in
from
our
partners
when
we're
not
sanctioned
by
the
city.
In
this
motion,
I'm
also
kind
of
concerned
by
your
statement
of
the
city.
A
The
city
wants
to
know
about
the
glitches
in
affordable
housing,
because
if
they
wanted
to
know
I
feel
like
they
direct
us
to
hold
those
meetings.
So
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
making
that
assumption
that
that
I
guess
we
would
know
what
they
want
from
us
in
that
piece.
I
do
believe
we
can
create
a
trusted
place
to
be
heard
for
these
individuals
to
come
forward.
I
think
it
is
an
incredible
opportunity
that
we
have
this
kind
of
time
available
to
have
people
come
and
speak.
A
A
You
know
I
guess
just
being
aware
of
what
we're
gonna
do
with
it
afterwards
and
how
we're
gonna
kind
of
move
and
maybe
suss
it
out
or
see
if
anything
else
presents
itself,
but
it's
not
that
I'm
opposed
to
it.
And,
of
course
my
buy-in
is
on
the
affordable
housing
and
especially
the
experience
of
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
understanding
what
we're
moving
forward
on
and
being
clear
on
that
because
when
they
all
show
up
here,
are
we
asking
questions?
D
Just
to
give
some
context,
I
think
it
should
be
pretty
similar
to
the
manufactured
housing
testimony
then,
in
my
mind,
where
we
have
follow-up
questions.
Last
follow-up
questions
we're
just
assessing
now
to
associate
out
information
that
I
think
staff
would
like
to
know
that
I
think
Council
would
like
to
know
and
we're
providing
that
yeah.
A
D
C
You
couldn't
have
just
undertake
a
private
conversation
with
with
a
couple
of
council
members
to
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
the
tone
of
that
I
mean.
Why
have
you
instead
of
you
know
a
formal
letter
that
you
can
seem
like
they're,
pretty
accessible
and
and
to
say
to
say
that,
in
a
way
that
people
we'll
say
something
orally,
that
they
might
not
want
to
put
in
an
email
or
other
way?
And
you
can
kind
of
pick
up
on
the
tone
of
that
receptiveness.
For
that.
C
Do
communication
so
they'll
go
out
and
they'll
test
that
and
they'll
go
look
to
people
that
are
influential
in
the
community
as
a
bellwether
and
informally
say
you
know
has
just
been
talked
about
before
has
been
done.
Do
they
have
certain
believes?
Do
they
think
it's
something
to
explore
or
not
and
based
on
that
discussion
in
your
interpretation
of
that
discussion
have
a
better
sense
of,
but.
C
A
Is
that,
as
a
representation
representative
board
of
the
people,
sometimes
I
think
we
also
are
getting
in
front
of
potentially
ideas?
That
council
is
not
aware
of
so
it's
a
tree,
it's
a
tree
I
see
both
sides
of
it.
Does
that
make
sense?
It's
just
I
think
we,
and
also
a
couple
of
things
that
you've
brought
up,
is
that
originally
I
thought
what
we
were
doing
was
wrapping
a
one-year
plan
up
and
presenting
some
of
our
success
stories
and
kind
of
checking
the
box
on
this.
D
D
A
D
E
Want
to
add
something:
if
I
can
I
want
to
remind
us
all
how
we
even
got
to
the
possibility
of
a
public
hearing,
we
winnowed
the
public
input.
We
got
down
first
to
13
or
14
or
15
items,
and
then
we
went
at
it
further
to
four
items
and
we
decided
those
were
just
with
Jeff's
help.
Those
were
just
for
the
city
manager,
not
for
council.
E
They
were
items,
it's
the
city
manager,
the
city
staff
could
or
would
handle,
if
directed
to
do
so
by
the
city
manager,
and
that,
in
order
for
us
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
city
manager-
and
there
were
only
two
remaining
remaining
issues
and
it
was
on
data
to
be
collected
and
on
doing
an
exit
survey.
I
think
something
I
can't
remember
exactly
I
think
those
were
the
two
and
it
can
be
done
without
having
a
public
hearing
first.
E
So
that's
how
the
public
hearing
idea
started
and
we
were
just
going
to
be
doing
it
about
costs
of
rising
rents
and
rising
amenities.
But
then
we
decided
it
would
be
more
positive
if
we
did
it
on
the
whole,
affordable,
housing
experience,
and
so
that's
how
it's
grown
to
where
we
are
now
and
I
just
wanted
to
recontextualize
that,
for
everyone
like
how
we
got
to
this
place
and
that's.
A
D
G
A
The
key
point
in
there
that
so
this
is
what
I
was
trying
to
get
to.
You
is
that
if
we
choose
that
we're
wrapping
a
portion
up
and
we're
also
listening
and
keeping
remaining
open,
then
what
we
are
saying
is
that,
although
our
directive
was
to
work
only
on
work
plan
items,
we
are
remaining
open
to
working
on
other
things
and
I.
Think
that
has
to
be
a
conscious
decision
by
all
of
us
at
the
board
that
we
are
choosing
to
actively
continue
to
work
on
things
that
are
not
on
the
work
plan.
G
E
Also
believe
that
in
the
City
Council's
session,
where
they
talked
about
the
different
when
we
had
that
study
session
about
have-
and
people
talked
about,
had
I
believe
at
least
five
city
council
members,
because
I
took
notes
on
it
at
the
time-
I-
don't
quite
remember,
but
many
City
Council
members,
although
they
clearly
wanted
us
to
work
on
the
work
plan,
they
also
did
not
want
to
stifle
our
innovative
ideas
and
they
just
wanted
it
under
control.
I,
don't
feel
this
is
out
of
control.
E
A
D
This
is
always
gonna.
Be
ongoing.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
with
this
time
that
we
have,
that
is
very
valuable.
We
use
that
as
a
way
to
engage
the
community,
which
is
a
big
part
of
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
and
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
way
of
doing
it
around
a
specific
group
of
the
community.
C
Could
everybody
remind
me
didn't:
do
the
council
ask
us
to
do
this?
They
didn't
ask
us
to
do
this,
and
it
seems
from
the
discussion
this
evening
that
the
engagement
has
the
potential
to
be
somewhat
disruptive
to
different
interested
parties,
if
not,
maybe
a
little
slower
a
little
more
carefully,
orchestrated
and
I.
Don't
know
if
April
24th
needs
to
be
a
hard
date
to
do
that,
because
we're
stepping
outside
of
that
directive
of
council
and
so
in
stepping
outside
of
the
council
work
plan.
C
As
you
know,
because
community
engagement,
it
strikes
me
that
engages
everyone
not
just
the
certainly
interested
people
and
certainly
favorite
people,
but
just
you
know
that
everyone,
but
certainly
in
this
case
council
to
say
that
is
what
I
heard
from
that
from
the
study
session
was
a
minority
of
council
were
okay
with
stepping
outside
of
the
work
plan
and
most
were
would
like
to
see,
have
minor
and
again.
This
is
just
my
interpretation,
and
I
could
be
wrong.
There
are
many
times
today,
but
they
would
like
to
be
kind
of
inside
that
zone.
C
It's
not
important,
but
I
think
the
motivation
seems
to
be
more
urgent
and
and
the
engagement
of
us
that
you
know
there's
an
engagement
that
you've
already
done
a
lot
of
work
and
you're
pretty
invested.
You
know
I'm
just
suggesting
that
if
there's
some
engagement
from
counsel
to
get
some
perspectives
about
where
that
about,
where
that's
dinner
made
sense
point
that
sometimes
you
know
you
need
to
think
independently
and
proceed
anyway.
F
Well,
it's
clear
to
me
that
there's
not
a
common
understanding
of
the
purpose
I
mean
it
ranges
from
it
could
be
a
very
targeted
public
hearing
about
two
ideas,
as
you
pointed
out,
Judy,
which
may
have
been
the
starting
point
to
a
general
listening
session
to
learn
more
about
the
affordable
housing
experience
to
help.
Basically,
a
professional
development
kind
of
opportunity
to
you
know,
opportunities
to
try
and
identify
glitches
in
the
system.
I
mean
there's,
not
a
clarity
of
purpose,
which
I
think
is
a
primary
reason.
A
I
would
add
what
could
be
accomplished
and
what's
the
best
way
to
proceed
in
it,
yeah
because
I
see
both
sides
on
this
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
an
either/or
and
I
hear
you
on
the
utilizing
our
time
to
the
best
of
our
ability
and
I'm,
also
sensitive
about
being
clear
on
this,
and
also
how
do
we
proceed
with
buy-in
from
all
interested
parties,
because
I
am
concerned
about
our
partners
and
if
I
ran
Boulder
housing,
partners
or
sisal
do?
A
A
E
G
G
I
would
still
say
that
there
does
seem
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
vacuum
of
work
for
us
moving
forward,
at
least
in
the
immediate
and
I'm
hoping
that
maybe
Jeff
will
give
us
some
clarification
on
that
as
we
get
through
tonight's
meeting
a
little
bit
so
there's
a
part
of
me.
That's
just
gonna
say
you
know:
I
want
to
continue
having
engagement
with
the
public
and
having
the
public
feel
like
they
can
come
into
a
meetings
and
they
are
invited
into
meetings
for
engagement.
G
Whether
this
is
specific
personally
for
me
in
this
instant,
whether
this
is
specific
to
affordable
housing
issues
which
we're
trying
to
kind
of
this
one
is
wrapping
into
that
process
that
we've
been
going
through,
or
whether
it's
just
more
broadly
open,
saying
hey
here.
We
are
we're
really
trying
to
bring
public
in
I,
mean
I'd
love
to
hear
about
all
kinds
of
things:
I'd
love
to
hear
about
Alpine,
balsam
I'd
like
to
get
feedback
on
that
I
mean
there
are
plenty
of
pieces
that
we
could.
We
could
get
public
participation
on.
G
G
And
and
from
that
side
I'm,
just
that's
where
I
say
yes,
let's
do
it.
I,
don't
have
specific
questions
in
my
mind
around
the
affordable
housing
structure
that
I'm
saying:
let's
try
to
tease
these
out
and
get
more
clarity
on
that,
particularly
so
I
would
I'm
open
to
hearing
what
are
those
things
that
we're
specifically
going
to
try
to
get
there
as
well
you're.
A
Hitting
on
something
there
that
I,
just
all
of
a
sudden
thought
of
as
like
you
know,
with
the
affordable
housing
issue,
when
we
were
talking
parking
and
the
bundling
of
services,
we
had
an
issue
manufactured
housing
had
a
direct
issue.
They
were
here,
they
were
codified
around
something
and
they
were
affordable.
A
Housing
is
vast,
and
you
make
a
great
point
that
we
do
public
engagement
every
time
and
we
would
hope
we're
gonna
try
to
figure
out
how
to
incentivize
that
individuals
will
come
all
the
time
and
want
to
talk
about
their
experiences
under
any
of
those.
But
we
need
to
get
if
we're
gonna
have
it
be
specifically
about
affordable
housing
and
how
it
should
have
three
specific
issues
we're
trying
to
drilled
in
into
and
when
you
talk
about
exit
plans.
Well,
that's
not
really
something
they
can
do.
A
That
would
have
to
be
in
a
partnership
meeting
that
so
if
we
move
that
over
to
some
type
of
a
half
hour,
we're
meeting
with
partnership,
individuals
that
would
be
on
that
agenda.
But
what
are
the
three
things
we
want
to
drill
down
to
specifically
in
affordable
housing
that
we
would
incentivize
individuals
to
come
for
that?
We
would
utilize
the
gifts
that
we
were
kind
of
talking
about
that
make
sense.
G
Along
those
lines,
it
seems
to
me
that,
as
we've
said,
there
are
things
that
we've
already
taken
off
the
table
and
so,
of
course,
we're
always
open
to
public
engagement.
If
somebody
walks
in
they
still
have
that
issue,
they
want
to
talk
about
it.
We
want
to
hear
about
it,
but
at
the
same
time
in
this
particular
ask
that
we're
making
I
think
it
does
behoove
us
to
focus
that
in
say.
E
I
feel
like
if
the
board
agrees
to
drill
down
the
issues
would
be
rising
costs
and
amenities,
I
would
suppose,
but
I
would
lean
a
different
direction.
My
opinion
is
that
unsolicited
we
had
a
number
of
people
come
in.
The
majority
of
their
concerns
were
rising
costs,
rent
and
amenities,
but
I
don't
know
myself
is
that
representative?
Is
that
a
small
group?
G
Say
that
if
we're
trying
to
do
that
and
gather
some
quantitative
information,
then
may
be
abused
us
to
take
this
structure,
something
a
questionnaire
feedback,
get
a
systematic
in
place.
That's
going
to
actually
have
people
answer
specific
questions
about
specific
things
and
get
us
information
on
those
things
we're
trying
to
get
information
on.
So
in
a
way.
If
we
want
to
try
to
drive
this
towards
a
more
you
know,
quantitative
result:
we
need
to
give
it
form,
and
so
the
question
would
be.
How
are
we
going
to
do
that
at
this
point?
A
We
are
dramatically
behind
on
our
agenda
items,
which
I
think
is
okay,
because
this
obviously
needs
to
be
worked
out,
and
we
should
do
that.
I'm
I'm
curious
we've
got
the
have
operating
procedures
and
agreements.
What
we
could
consider
is
dealing
with
the
March
meeting
plan
and
then
possibly
considering
bundling
the
procedure
ones
until
the
March
of
the
retreat
or
something
along
those
lines
since
they're
not
vital
and
then
hit
the
work
plan
and
staff
updates.
That
feel
like
something
as
we
continue
this
conversation
for
a
bit
more.
A
If
we
agree
to
maybe
give
this
like
10-15
more
bit
minutes
and
see
where
we're
at
with
it
and
and
if
we
can't
come
to
some
something,
that's
feeling
really
solid
and
good.
We
decide
how
to
move
on
from
there
and
recognizing
that
there's
enough
non
clarity
that
we
need
more
something
around
this,
and
maybe
it's
a
maybe.
This
is
a
fantastic
thing
to
have
facilitated
at
a
retreat.
A
You
know
because
we
were
talking
about
what
to
put
under
the
retreat.
So
that's
on
that
table
in
the
procedures
and
agreements
to
a
future
meeting
and
giving
this
about
10
more
minutes
with
some
form
of
next
step.
New
business.
Looking
at
our
March
20th
retreat
and
handling
work
plan
and
staff
updates.
E
So
I
have
a
question:
I
tried,
looking
in
all
the
old
minutes
and
all
the
meetings
and
stuff
and
I
know
that
the
meetings
that
we
had
on
the
second
Wednesday
of
each
month
were
from
six
to
nine
clear
straight
out,
but
I
never
saw.
We
voted
an
end
time
on
that.
These
meetings,
the
fourth
meeting
of
each
month
and
so
I'm
just
curious
as
well.
Why
don't
we
just
go?
Go
through
it,
you
know,
go
through
the
agenda
is
and
and
try
and
finish.
C
That's
wonderful
and
we've
established
that.
Well,
we're
really
not
prepared
to
do
that,
because
we
don't
have
this
clarity
of
purpose
and
intent
on
a
relatively
straightforward
piece
and
we
want
to
do
it.
We
really
in
our
hearts
there
well,
but
it
seems
like
we're
not
as
far
as
a
common
objection,
and
you
could
speak
out
loud
for
mine.
What's
counsels
reaction
to
that,
you
know
we're
going
we're
stepping
outside
we're
kind
of
going
off
pista
a
little
bit
here
and
in
that's
okay
I
get
that.
C
But
why
don't
we
consider
the
fact
of
asking
a
little
bit
informally
to
take
someone's
temperature
to
say?
Is
this
a
little
bit
off
pista
or
are
we
way
out
of
bounds
here,
because
we
it's
clear
that
occupancy
would
be
way
out
of
bounds?
I,
don't
know
where
this
is
in
terms
of
calibrating
that
and
we
could
do
that.
I
mean
if
one
of
our
roles
is
to
go
out
and
listen.
Why
don?
Well,
then,
why
don't
we
listen,
and
sometimes
we
have
to
listen
to
things
that
we
don't
really
like
to
hear
how.
C
Suggest
it
I
mean
I'd
love
to
support
the
engagement
I.
Think
it's
important
I
think
all
the
things
that
I
mentioned
and
all
the
reasons
about
affordable
housing
are
absolutely
important,
but
going
about
it.
Maybe
it's
trying
to
do
it
a
little
bit
too
fast
and
getting
it
lined
up.
So
you
have
all
the
pieces
to
do
it.
C
If
we
don't
have
to
have
a
hard,
April
24th
deadline,
then
why
not
consider
going
a
little
not
just
slower
but
really
improving
the
quality
and
going
better
to
do
that,
because
we've
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
and
we
haven't
really
reached
a
meaningful
conclusion,
and
yet
we
all
want
to.
We
want
to
support
that,
but
we'd
like
to
do
it
and
mitigate
some
of
the
potential
conflict
and
have
clarity
and
intent
to
do
that.
Thank.
G
G
G
So
from
that
perspective,
I
don't
have
any
questions,
but
I
do
just
have
questions
about
how
we
are
planning
to
roll
it
out,
and
so
the
question
for
me
is:
what
is
that?
What's
the
format,
if
this
is
going
to
be
how
we're
gonna
structure
it?
Are
we
giving
specific
ask
or
not,
and
that's
the
only
concern
I
have
do
you
want
to
proceed
well,
I
think
if
we're
gonna
do
right
as
much
as
there's
a
discomfort
of
the
tabling
of
things
and
not
completing
them,
I
would
say
we
probably
should
put
a
proposal
forward.
G
That
says
we're
gonna.
Do
this
with
this
meeting,
these
are
the
questions.
We're
gonna
be
trying
to
get
the
public
to
respond
to
us
on
specifically-
and
it's
gonna
have
this
much
time
in
that
meeting,
and
this
is
this
is
what
we're
doing
this
is
the
format
and
and
decide
if
we
want
to
try
to
get
something
more
quantitative
or
if
we're
just
gonna,
go
for
a
qualitative
field
and
get
more
input.
How.
G
E
D
What
the
ask
is:
I,
don't
know
what
the
ask
is
now,
so
we
haven't
agreed
on
that
as
a
board.
Right
I.
Don't
think
we
can
talk
about
presentation
at
this
point.
Okay,
my
suggestion
is,
we
come
back
to
you
with
very
specific
things
to
vote
on
you
vote
for
or
against
them,
and
we
move
this
forward
or
we
go.
E
Okay,
that's
fine,
but
I
would
like
to
just
present
what
we'd
already
decided,
because
I'm
fine
to
bring
that
up
for
a
vote
and
have
people
vote
on
that.
So
we
don't
have
to
do
I
mean
what
was
what
we
have
what
we
were
going
to
present
to
you
tonight
and
I
guess
what
I
am
now
presenting
tonight?
Can.
A
We
pause
for
a
second
just
a
matter
of
course,
because
there
was
some
discussion
around
a
motion
to
table.
Do
we
want
to
pause
for
a
second
and
and
see
if
anybody
actually
wants
to
put
a
motion
on
the
table
to
table
it
or
do
we
want
to
move
into
what
would
be
a
proper
process
there?
Can
anybody
interject
at
any
point
and
say
I'd
like
to
motion
to
table
this?
Yes,.
E
Okay,
I
would
have
a
question
in
tabling
it,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
useful
to
everyone
to
have
Adam
and
I
be
coming
up
with
another
proposal
because
we've
come
up.
This
is
one
of
I
mean
since
you
were
the
ones
who
are
not
comfortable
with
it.
Maybe
you
guys
should
come
up
with
a
proposal
for
what
the
ask
is,
or
with
it
I'm
I'm
happy
to
have
it
open-ended
and
just
let
people
say
what
they
want
to
say
about
the
experience.
E
I,
don't
want
it
to
be
about
affordable
housing
as
an
issue
for
the
city.
I
want
it
to
be
about
the
affordable
housing
experience
for
for
constituents
and
providers,
but
I
don't
have
a
specific
gas,
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
helpful
in
coming
up
with
any
of
what
you
who
are
not
happy
with
it
want.
So
maybe
there
should
be
a
committee
of
two
people
to
do
that.
I.
G
Suppose
my
feeling
on
that
is
this
is
a
suggestion
coming
from
the
engagement
committee
and
I'm,
essentially
in
the
same
boat
as
you
are,
I
have
not
been
diving
into
this
to
say:
oh
here's,
exactly
what
I'd
like
to
do
with
it,
I
think
if
it
was
opened
up
to
me,
I'd
put
on
the
board
other
things
that
we
could
also
engage
with
in
that
meeting
time,
potentially
that
we
might
find
to
be.
You
know
more
interesting
to
me,
so
I
think
that
again,
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
almost
sequence
like
in
a
sense.
G
If
you
had
that
thing
of
how
you
expected
to
see
this
run
out,
I
think
it
would
have
been
good
to
get
into
that
and
have
that
on
our
plate
to
see
what
that
looked
like
and
exactly
what
we
were
proposing
doing
so
I,
don't
know
that
it.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
that
I'm
gonna
be
able
to
write
anything
for
this
as
far
as
a
proposal
to
do
it
and
I
don't
know
that
anybody
else
is
either
so.
G
D
A
F
The
discussion
we
had
at
the
agenda
committee
was
to
take
to
begin
with
the
Community
Survey
results.
There's
a
presentation
and
discussion
opportunity
there,
which
I
think
Adam
you
referenced
tonight
and
I
think
you've
all
had
a
chance.
We
may
have
had
a
chance
to
review
that
which
highlighted
affordable
housing
is
a
big
issue
in
the
community
as
well.
Surprise,
absolutely,
no
one
to
use
that
data
drawn
from
a
statistically
valid
survey
to
frame
discussion
of
Alpine
balsam,
the
Alpine
balsam
working.
What
do
we
call
them?
F
Liaisons
are
having
a
joint
board
meeting
tomorrow,
night
they've
there.
It
would
lead
scheduled
a
report
out
from
that
experience
and
so
in
the
agenda
committee.
We
discussed
also
having
a
staff
presentation
on
Alpine
balsam
and
then
a
not
an
a
different
discussion
for
you
all.
That
would
be
structured
more
as
a
roundtable
down
in
the
study
session
kind
of
approach,
where
you
would
have
the
opportunity
to
engage
and
wrestle
with
the
trade-offs
and
the
issues
that
been
raised
in
the
community
and
through
the
visioning
and
discussion
process.
F
That's
been
having
that
people
have
had
already
as
a
way
of
deeply
engaging
on
an
individual
project,
a
city
project,
a
high
profile,
very
important
city
project-
that
you
will
be
asked
most
likely
to
give
a
recommendation
on
Council
to
so
that
you'd
have
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
do
some
homework.
Think
it
through
have
a
discussion
with
each
other
with
the
staff,
so
that,
when
you
do
have
a
chance
to
make
a
recommendation,
you
have
a
basis
to
build
off
of
also
to
give
a
chance
for
this
new
board
to
really
dive
into
something.
F
We
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
roll
up
your
sleeves
in
something
concrete.
It's
not
many
meetings
have
provided
that
and
it's
possible
that
later
this
year
there
will
be
several
very
meaningful
high
profile
items
that
you
will
be
asked
to
be.
Giving
recommendations
on
community
benefit
large
lots.
You
know
sub
community
planning,
which
I
think
if
I
remember
right,
Adam
and
Mason
when
we
were
talking
and
one
of
the
ideas
was.
F
This
is
an
opportunity
to
get
some
practice
working
on
that
to
on
something
that
we,
when
you
may
not
have
the
opportunity
in
the
future,
to
have
two
or
three
meetings
on
something
before
you're
asked
to
give
a
recommendation.
The
first
one
that
you
tackled
right
when
the
board
was
formed
ad
use
was
something
that
you
acknowledged
in
your
sort
of
after-action
reports
that
you
wanted
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that,
a
little
better
to
serve
the
council
and
the
community
a
little
better.
A
F
The
bulk
of
that
meeting,
we
didn't
put
a
time
on
it,
but,
judging
from
what
else
we
have
would
be
at
least
an
hour
and
20
hour,
30
minutes
where
it's
kind
of
a
workshop
where
you
get
to
you,
know
bounce
things
around.
Ask
some
questions
of
each
other:
try
and
identify
how
you
might
want
to
approach
a
recommendation
without
having
to
actually
make
one
without
that
pressure.
A
We
thought
was
possibilities,
so
it
would
also
be
a
great
opportunity
to
integrate
potential
new
board
members
into
because
we
know
at
the
trial
by
fire
for
the
first
Adu
discussion
was
like
that.
This
would
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
that
differently
under
a
recommend,
something
that
would
be
giving
a
recommendation
on
how
does
structuring
a
meeting
like
that
feel
for
everybody.
E
A
G
A
E
Since
we'll
be
meeting
some
new
people,
but
also
talk
about
what
our
particular
passion
is
for
housing
issues,
and
why
we're
here
that
sort
of
thing
and
after
one
go-around
people
can
ask
questions
if
they
want,
whatever
that
the
second
hour
be,
perhaps
facilitated
and
be
a
SWOT
analysis
of
the
strengths,
weaknesses
and
opportunities
and
threats,
as
we
see
them
for
the
board.
That
would
be
really
helpful
to
the
new
people
and
also
help
us
and
that
and
that,
at
the
end
of
it
there
would
be
an
action
plan.
E
I
A
I
love,
the
idea
of
you
know
the
first
half
first
hour
being
informal
in
introductions
and
asking
questions
and
introducing
each
other
I
really
and
I,
almost
kind
of
feel
like
taking
the
facilitator
and
working
on
the
operating
procedures
and
agreements
I'm
a
little
hesitant.
That's.
Why
only
because
I
feel
like
that
I,
don't
know
I'm
open
to
it,
depending
on
how
the
facilitator
handles
handles
it
and
I
love
the
idea
of
because
we'd
be
diving
into
operating
procedures
to
tackle
how
we
want
to
address
a
letter.
A
D
D
A
I
A
G
Just
want
to
throw
one
thing
out:
there's
a
lot.
I
mean
three
hours,
great
introductions,
there's
a
lot
on
there
and
with
the
facilitator.
Also.
Hopefully
we
can
in
the
lead
up
to
this
maybe
narrow
it
and
focus
it
on.
You
know
what
we
see
are
the
most
important
pieces
of
the
list.
That's
here
somehow,
if
that's
what
we're
gonna
do,
but
that
would
be
my
suggestion
is
also,
let's
just
not
try
to
put
too
much
in.
A
G
A
B
E
I
just
wanted
to
add
the
SWOT
analysis.
Why
I'm
interested
in
that?
It's
just
a
way
of
looking
at
where
you've
been
last
year.
What
has
worked
really
well
what
you
might
want
to
change
for
the
future
and
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
for
any
organization
to
do
on
a
yearly
basis.
Just
take
a
look
at
what's
working,
what's
not
working
and
what
we
can
all
do
about.
It.
C
What
struck
me
that
the
SWOT
analysis-
it's
just
you-
know,
an
extraordinary
effort
to
go
through
in
a
process,
but
mindful
of
Jaques
comment
about
its,
that
could
be
a
four-hour
deal
to
do
that,
and
especially
with
new
people
that
may
not
have
a
longitudinal
perspective
and
context
of
the
board
in
the
context
of
that.
Whether
that
would
be
is
it
something
we
could
commit
to
at
an
another
at
another
three
hour,
apiece
that'd
be
worthwhile
to
do.
A
A
F
F
Solicits
input
comes
up
with
an
agenda,
brings
it
to
a
business
meeting,
discusses
and
approves
that
sounds
to
me
the
direction
you're
heading
as
you
want
to
speak
to
how
a
Planning
Board
handles
making
the
agenda
for
their
retreats
and
count
your
experience
with
the
council.
If
there's
anything,
you
have
to
support
this
effort
of
figuring
out
what
to
spend
the
time
on.
B
B
Last
year
we
had
Robin
burden
who's,
a
facility,
a
facilitator,
a
Regan
bird
who's,
a
facilitator
on
housing
issues
and
equity
issues,
and
then
we
talked
about
working
together
and
working
through
issues
that
come
up
and
and
every
year
it
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
different
emphasis
for
the
retreat,
and
especially
when
you
get
to
new
members.
So
we
excuse
me.
We
always
excuse
me.
Do.
B
On
council
they
always
have
an
agenda
committee
for
the
retreat,
a
retreat
committee,
but
on
planning
board
I.
Don't
I
can't
quite
recall
that,
but
we
discuss
it
and
then
we
have
a
facilitator
and
then
that
person,
poles,
everybody
and
then
gets
back
and
says
here's
some
of
the
things
we've
come
up
with
mm-hmm.
F
A
E
I
G
I,
just
kind
of
thought,
I
haven't
been
through
a
SWOT
or
at
least
if
I
have
it's
been
a
long
time,
but
but
my
feeling
was
hearing
potentially
the
length
and
the
depth,
especially
with
new
members
coming
on.
But
you
know
what
this
might
be
like.
I
mean
I.
Do
wonder
if
we
can
leave
this
to
the
facilitator
of
just
saying
you
know:
is
there
a
way
to
do
a
mini
SWOT?
G
G
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
Jeff
is
that
we
will
contact
a
facilitator
for
it
and
that
she
could
reach
out
to
everyone
and
with
also
kind
of
a
general
understanding
that
we
are
interested
in
generally
introductions
the
operation,
procedures
and
agreements
and
then
help
structuring
our
letter
and
recommendation
formats
and
then
kind
of
querying
everybody
about
maybe
strengths,
a
mini
or
some
form
of
a
baseline
for
next
year.
To
really
look
back
and
reflect
on
a
measure.
F
F
A
F
F
Go
back
to
council
in
july,
so
it
will
come
back
to
you
either
in
May
or
in
June.
At
this
point,
as
was
mentioned
counselors
in
the
midst
of
its
annual
appointments,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
two
things.
One
is
that,
with
the
addition
of
two
new
members
expansion
of
the
board,
so
there
will
be
three
openings.
As
you
know,
there
will
be
two
people
appointed
two
five-year
terms
and
one
person
appointed
to
a
three-year
term
to
ensure
that
there
aren't
multiple
or
more
than
to
anyone,
good
time
rotating
off
the
board.
F
I
will
and
Cory
will
send.
One
of
us
will
send
you
an
email
just
asking
for
your
thoughts
on
what
would
be
most
useful.
We
what
we
did
for
you
to
onboard
you
in
orient
you
some
of
it
was
probably
more
useful
than
other
things.
So,
if
you
could
give
us
your
thoughts,
we'd
appreciate
it
as
we
think
about
how
to
best
support
the
new
members
so
watch
for
that
coming
next
couple
days
and
if
you
could
give
us
think
back
as
to
what
you
found
most
useful,
we
would
find
that
very
helpful.
F
The
other
thing
that
is
a
little
unclear
is
council
study
session
about
the
hab
they
said.
Well,
we
need
to
define
the
questions.
We
won't
have
to
answer
on
these
projects
and
they
have
not
done
that
yet.
So
neither
the
timing
nor
the
specific
questions
are
known,
which
is
part
of
the
reason.
This
has
been
a
bit
of
a
challenge
with
that
said,
we've
got
the
next
three
meetings,
including
the
retreat,
roughly
blocked
out
with
the
question
of
April
24th.
At
this
point
to
be
determined
so
I
don't
know.
F
If
there
are
questions
about
what's
sketched
out
there
we
covered
the
20th.
There
are
a
couple
items
on
there
that
didn't
fit
into
that
overall
roundtable
discussion,
project-based
discussion,
the
public
engagement
approaches
and
framework
ahead.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
speak
to
that
and
we've
added
the
retreat
agenda.
Approval.
F
A
D
F
E
A
question
Jeff
yeah
I
was
a
little
confused.
You
know
when
you
mentioned
that
council
had
said,
there's
certain
things:
they
want
to
decide
what
particular
questions
they
want
had
to
answer.
I
am
concerned.
I,
guess
that
in
their
crush
of
so
many
things
that
they
have
to
do
that,
that
will
be
forgotten.
I
E
F
Saw
the
project
managers
I
think,
as
you
pointed
out,
the
crush
of
work
and
intensity
of
their
effort
that
they're
making
it
probably
will
lead
to
the
standard
approach
which
is
boards
are
asked
the
same
questions
that
we'll
be
moving
forward
to
Council,
so
I
suspect
as
these
projects
forward.
What
you'll
see
is
a
request
for
your
thoughts
on
the
items
that
staff
is
asking
for
input
on
so.
A
A
E
Had
one
question
I
know
we
voted
to
table
the
discussion
of
the
affordable
housing
experience
meeting
and
it
was
tabled,
but
we
didn't
actually
vote
on
dispensing
with
Dee
and
I
know,
I
sent
Krystal
note
and
said:
does
the
Planning
Board
in
their
meetings
at
a
certain
time?
And
she
said
they
have
an
aspirational
time,
but
if
it
takes
longer,
it
takes
longer
and
I
know
that
different
boards
have
different
ways
of
operating
about
that.
E
But
since
we
cut
down
our
meetings
from
two
a
month
to
one
a
month,
I'm
starting
to
have
a
concern
about
getting
things
done,
we've
already
tabled
this.
We
already
have
things
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
at
the
next
meeting,
and
not
only
are
we
can
be
talking
about
de
but
we're
gonna
have
be
having
to
talk
about
the
whole,
affordable
housing
experience
and
I'm
I.
Just
am
personally
concerned
about
that.
We're
just
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
so.
A
I
hear
three
things
from
you:
one
wanting
or
desiring
a
longer
discussion
around
our
time,
sensitivity,
I'm
hearing
you
question
whether
or
not
we've
actually
formally
dispensed
D
and
what
we
did
with
it
and-
and
you
also
brought
up
one
other
thing.
I
was
trying
to
remember
what
it
was,
but
we
can
start
there
with
those
true.
So
you
seem
like
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
sensitivity
of
time.
So
does
anybody
else
have
thoughts
around
time?
I
think.
A
B
Can
I
just
clarify
something:
Judy
said
planning
board
does
not
list
times,
but
some
boards
have
aspirational
times
open
space
when
I
was
on
it
had
them
and
we
always
went
over
mainly
cuz.
It
was
the
director
and
his
reports,
but
that's
not
your
problem.
Jeff
you're,
very
concise.
That
was
our
little
joke
days.
I.
C
Find
fixed
times,
appealing
I
find
a
creative
sense
of
urgency
to
get
to
the
point.
If
you
have
one
and
sense
of
preparation
to
get
through
the
agenda
in
the
a
lot
of
time
and
peace,
what's
the
understanding
that
sometimes
you
can
go
over
with
what
other
boards
do
is
I'm,
respectful
but
somewhat
indifferent
to
I
think
we
have
to
decide
what's
right
for
us.
A
E
G
The
other
piece
is
I
mean
you
know.
If
we
were
part
of
me
says,
I
would
be
open
to
saying.
Do
we
want
to
have
a
motion
to
extend
the
meeting
type
of
situation,
but
I'd
want
a
fixed
time
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
have
a
motion
to
extend
the
meeting
if
we
feel
it's
necessary,
and
we
could
approach
that
here
if
we
wanted
to
around
these
items,
but
again.
A
I
think
we
can
dive
into
this
because
I
know
Adams
got
thoughts
on
it.
I
have
thoughts
on
it,
but
we'll
dive
into
the
details
on
that
as
an
item
at
the
retreat,
so
that
we
can
get
clear
and
have
agreement
on
something
as
far
as
the
time
and
then
everybody
feels
like
they
can
share.
Is
there
anything
else
anybody
would
want
to
debrief
about
the
calendar
or
the
meeting
yeah.
D
I
just
want
to
say
my
biggest
takeaway
for
sure
something
Mike
said
really
got
me
was
what
level
of
preparation
we
should
be
seeking
when
we're
trying
to
decide
on
things,
and
that
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
because,
where
our
discussion
devolved
is
when
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
clarity
around
what
we
were
talking
about.
So
we
just
have
to
be
more
willing
to
come
to
the
table
with
specifics
and
willing
to
just
call
for
votes
on
things,
and
if
they
don't
work
out,
they
don't
work
out.
D
That's
fine,
there's
always
a
room
for
a
friendly
amendment
here
and
there,
but
that's
where
our
biggest
problem
still
lies
is
trying
to
define
maybe
a
much
bigger
problem
than
a
single
issue
all
at
the
same
time.
So
if
we
can't
get
more
concise
about
what
we're
trying
to
specifically
answer
that
should
solve
a
whole
lot
of
that
away.
I'd.
A
Add
to
that
rate
after
we
kind
of
closed
that
portion
of
the
meeting
and
chose
to
table
it.
I
started
thinking
about
the
process
on
how
it
was
presented
and
a
part
of
me
was
curious.
It
had
we
not
gotten
into
the
letters
first
and
we
had
heard
your
plan.
I
want
I'm
curious
if
that
process
would
have
felt
different
so
like
if
you
would
have
come
out
with
this
is
the
plan.
A
This
is
what
my
our
ideas
are,
and
here
the
letters
attached
to
it
so
I
found
that
I
was
thinking
about
process
again
and
again
being
a
new
board.
These
things
are
new
to
all
of
us,
and
in
some
of
these,
although
I
could
sense,
your
frustration
in
this
and
I
think
it
was
frustrating
for
all
of
us
because,
like
Michael
had
said,
there
was
heart
there
and
we
were
all
wanted
to
move
forward
on
it,
but
it
was
so
fuzzy
and
unclear.
A
So
as
we
move
forward
on
these
and
create
clarity
in
our
process
of
how
we're
doing
it,
I
think
will
will
get
much
better
at
these
things.
But
I
also
think
that's
probably
one
of
our.
If
we're
gonna
go
down
the
SWAT
line,
one
of
our
strengths
is
our
ability
to
still
set
find
some
humor
in
it
afterwards
decompress
a
little
bit
and
know
that,
yes,
it
was
a
frustrating
process,
but
that
we'll
get
there
we'll
get
there
and-
and
it
is
important
and
you
matter-
Thanks.
A
C
A
G
My
my
piece
on
that
is
just
I.
Think
that's
what
caused
the
fuzziness
for
me
was
the
order
that
it
was
brought
to
us
didn't
didn't
work.
We
were
kind
of
deciding
on
the
end
piece
before
we
had
talked
about
the
first
part.
So
just
a
lesson
for
me,
and
that
was
like
okay,
if
I'm
going
to
bring
something
that
is
very
important,
how
I
structure
it
the
presentation
of
it
and.
A
What's
kind
of
interesting,
is
we
got
a
little
bit
sloppy
there
remember
how
in
for
a
little,
while
that
we
were
very
poignant
about
bringing
the
motion
like
we
wrote
the
motion
so
that
we
would
have
the
clarity
before
we
moved
into
anything,
even
though
it
felt
very
formal
to
us,
it
lent
us
to
be
prepared.
It
required
us
to
be
prepared
and
clear
about
it
in
advance.
Even
if
we
didn't
use
the
motion,
it
required
us
to
be
prepared
and
clear,
and
we
slid
away
from
that.
We.
C
Engagements
a
complex
undertaking,
it's
not
simple
and
and
then
trying
to
in
a
sense
oversimplify
it
by
applying
a
template
of
parliamentary
procedure
in
Robert's
Rules
of
Order,
it's
sort
of
almost
you
feel
you
know
if
you're
the
one
doing
it.
You
probably
feel
like
it's
a
certain
sense
of
compromise
to
get
to
this.
You
know
to
make
it
so
narrow
to
fit
within
that
context
of
that
of
that
motion,
that's
not
it's
not
a
trivial
thing
to
accomplish.
E
B
B
Our
last
planning
board
meeting
was
a
week
or
two
ago-
oh
yeah,
so
we
have
you
know.
Sometimes
you
have
breaks
in
your
schedule,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
it's
interesting
to
see
how
the
board
is
growing,
then,
and
I'm
very
excited
for
the
things
on
your
work
plan
alpine
bell.
Some
sub-community
planning
community
benefit,
don't
don't
neglect
the
youth
table.
B
First,
we
used
to
talk
about
that
with
just
the
lower
to
middle
income
of
the
average
medium
income,
but
now
that
top
is
rising,
so
I
hope
to
hear
some
great
ideas
from
you
all
on
Alpine,
balsam
and
I'll
watch
on
TV
to
see
to
see
what
ideas
you
have
for
that.
But
if
you
you
should
be
the
advocates
of
other
people.
Besides,
the
providers
and
this
wonderful
staff
are
the
other
ones
in
the
communities
so
well.
B
Welcome
and
I
just
want
to
say
what
a
wonderful
staff,
Corey
and
Jeff
you've
been
just
stellar,
and
we,
you
tell
the
rest
of
the
staff,
because
you
have
one
of
the
funnest
things
has
been
hearing
in
depth.
All
the
programs
that
that
healthiness
involved
in
so
I've
appreciated
that
part.
The
learning.
Thank
you.
E
D
Appreciate
the
time
with
you
guys
and
I
love
that
it's
been
rocky
along
the
way,
sometimes
to
you,
because
that
gives
me
more
appreciation
for
the
times
that
we
really
work
well
together
and
how
much
more
fluid
things
have
gotten
overtime.
So
you
know
this
has
been
awesome.
I
really
hope
to
be
back
and
we'll
see
how
things
pan
out,
but
I'm.
A
In
complete
denial
about
this
by
the
way,
it's
not
even
this
whole
changeover
thing
and
I've
really
enjoyed
working
with
you
and
yeah
I,
truly
hope.
It
continues
because
you're
super
thoughtful,
very
passionate
and
a
strong
communicator.
So
it's
that's
what
I
feel
like
we
all
want
on
four
board
members.
So
you
know
if
anybody's
listening,
you
will
be
one
of
my
recommendations.
Thank.