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vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
information
on
our
website
about
what
we
call
our
productive
atmospheres:
vision.
if
you're
interested.
and
there's
a
number
of
rules
of
decorum
that
are
found
in
the
boulder
revised
code,,
and
we
have
general
guidelines
that
are
advisory
in
nature..
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Lynn,
segal:
well,
it's
tax
year,,
so
I
have
to
fight
the
appeal..
Then
I
have
to
when
I
in
august,,
then
I'll
be
starting
again
with
the
board
of
equalization,
and
then,
after
I
get
that
dispensation,
I'll
go
after
the
board
of
assessment
appeals
and
my
catalytic
converter,
stolen
$3,700,
and
it'll
probably
be
stolen
again,,
even
though
it
has
a
cage
on
it.
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Hella
pannewig
city,
attorney's
office:,
whether
the
operating
characteristics
of
the
proposed
development
or
changes
to
an
existing
development,
are
such
that
they
use
would
be
reasonably
compatible
with
and
have
minimum
negative
impact
on
the
use
of
nearby
properties..
So
here,
one
of
the
nearby
properties
is
an
open
space.
Use?.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
just
to
comment
that,
since
we
are
going
to
call
this
up.,
it
seems
like
it
would
be
useful
to
get
the
property
manager..
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
open
space
property,
or
if
that
city
parks..
But
whoever
manages
that
property
to
talk
about
potential
impacts
and
what
concerns
they
might
have..
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sarah
silver:
so,
charles,.
Take
it
away.
great
thanks,
so
much,
sarah.,
I'm
really
pleased
to
introduce
this
evening.
a
few
new
staffers
filling
some
really
critical
roles
here
at
the
city.
josh
hansen
is
our
newish
energy
co-compliance,
principal
and
examiner.
he'll
be
making
the
presentation
this
evening,
and
then.
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Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):,
take
it
away,
josh.,
that's
just
one
other
introduction.
carolyn
elam,
with
our
climate,
initiative,
senior
manager
and
climate
initiative,
is
also
with
the
supporting
the
side
of
carolyn..
I'm
so
sorry
I
missed
you..
I
didn't
know
you
were
on
the
call,,
but
I'm
so
happy
you're
here.,
I
apologize.
it's
all
fine,
charles..
I
just
want
to
make
sure
she
doesn't
get
off
easy,,
so
we'll
make
sure
she's
part
of
it.
with
that
we
will
turn
it
over
to
josh
for
the
presentation.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:
yes,,
very
good.,
yeah,
good
deal.
thank
you.
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
so
well,
good
evening.
planning,
board
members,
names,
josh
hansen,
as
mentioned,.
I
come
from
the
planning
and
development
services
department
here
at
the
city.
and
I'll
be
putting
on
the
presentation
today
for
our
energy
code
update
project.
That's
going
to
be
going
on
this
year.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
we
recently
have,
engaged
our
third
party
consultant.,
that's
gonna
be
helping
us
with
this..
One
of
the
interesting
things
to
note
is
that
the
consultant
that
we're
going
to
be
working
with
actually
helped
us
develop
the
2,017
version
of
our
energy
code.,
so
they
were
really
excited.
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
them
to
carry
this
forward.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
as
some
of
you
are
aware..
The
city
of
boulder,
has
a
carbon
reduction
emission
or
carbon
emissions,
reduction
of
70.,
we're
targeting
by
2,030,,
as
well
as
a
net
0
carbon
production
or
net
0
carbon
city
by
2,035,,
and
looking
to
be
carbon
positive
by
2,040.
and
so
a
way
to
look
at
something.
That's
carbon,
positive
is,.
We
have
buildings
and
structures
that
actually
remove
more
carbon
dioxide
than
they
produce.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
and
so
before
we
really
get
into
this,.
I
wanted
to
take
a
look
back
at
kind
of
where
and
how
we
got
here,
and
so
wanted
to
really
start
by
looking
at
our
residential
energy
code,
program.
and
so,.
First
of
all,.
I
I
know,
there's
been
some
questions
in
the
past.
as
to
really,.
You
know
what
consists
of
a
residential
building,
and
so
a
residential
building
for
our
as
our
energy
code
is
a
one
and
2
family
dwelling.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
town,
homes,
and
also
r.
3
or
r.
4
occupancies,
and
our
3
occupancies..
You
can
see
those
as
dormitories,
sororities,
boarding,
houses,
things
of
that
nature.
and
then
r.
4.,
typically
going
to
be
like
an
r.
3,,
but
with
an
additional
requirement
like
assisted
living
or
an
alcohol
awareness
facility..
So
the
2,017
kobe
really
took
a
took
a
big
bite
out
of
energy.,
I
want
to
say-
and
we
focused
on,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
chart
to
the
right.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:.
The
one
thing
here
to
note
is
that
the
majority
of
the
homes
that
we
do
see
come
through
the
city
of
boulder.
that
our
new
construction
are
already
our
net
0.
Due
to
this
requirement.,
some
other
things
to
really
mention
about
the
2,020
energy
code
that
we
we
introduced
for
these
performance
backstop,,
which
require
certain
items
that
can't
be
traded
off
when
they're
doing
the
energy
modeling.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:
primarily,
we're
looking
at
the
envelope
items.,
so
your
wall
insulation,
attic
insulation
window
values,,
making
sure
that
we
have
firm
numbers
in
place
for
those.
to
make
sure
that
those
can't
be
traded
off.
and
you
can
look
at
other
areas
like
lighting
and
equipment,
mechanical
things
of
that
nature.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:
another
thing
this
program,
introduced
as
well
is,.
We
also
got
our
solar
ready
requirements
as
well
as
we
looked
at
offsetting
natural
gas
and
fossil
fuels
for
heating,
that's
outside
of
the
home
or
the
dwelling
unit..
So
primarily
we
think
of
that.
As
like
heating
for
pools.,
if
there's
any
fossil
fuel,
we
require
renewable
offsets
for
that,
and
it's
a
hundred
percent
renewable
offsets.
and
then
the
last
thing
that
we
really
introduced
here
was
ev
ready
requirements
for
our
single
family,
homes.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
they
consider
commercial
buildings
to
be
anything,
that's
not
residential.,
and
so
I
kind
of
laugh
about
this,
because,.
You
know,
it's
clear
as
mud,
as
we
usually
say.,
but
the
one
thing
to
really
remember
and
focus
on
here
is
that
this
also
includes
multi
family.,
so
multi
family
is
viewed
as
a
resident
as
a
commercial
building,
and
the
reason
for
that..
The
international
building
code
governs
commercial
construction.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:.
This
code
was
also
one
of
the
first
codes
to
really
look
at
incorporating
solar
ready
requirements
which
are
currently
remain
in
our
code,
as
as
I'll
mention
here
in
a
second..
But
what
what
those
look
at
is
requiring
at
least
40%
of
the
roof
of
the
building
to
be
available
for
solar
in
future
uses..
So
the
22
quebec
look
to
really
build
upon
that
with
ashra,
and
we
actually
up
the.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
the
design
metric
from
ashore
2,010
to
2,016,,
but
we
were
also
one
of
the
first
municipalities
in
the
country
to
move
to
an
eui
target
for
our
our
commercial
buildings.,
and
so
an
eui
target
is
very
similar..
If
you've
heard
of
an
e
ri
for
residential,,
where
it's
an
energy
rating
index.,
it's
a
energy
use
in
index
for.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
josh
hanson,
cob:,
to
give
kind
of
a
quick
snapshot
of
of
the
direction
that
we're
going
with
this
project..
I
wanted
to
lay
out
just
a
quick,
rough
kind
of
timeline
for
this,
as
we're
really
early
on
in
the
project,,
as
I
mentioned.,
but
so
tonight
we're
having
our
meeting
with
the
environmental
advisory
board,
and
then
later
this
month
with
the
city
council
on
a
study,
session.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:
because
at
the
end
of
the
day.
really,,
this
code
is
gonna,
be
our
code
in
their
code.
and
then
also,.
We're
gonna,
look
at
drafting
the
code
and
then
representing
it
back
to
the
planning
board,
as
well
as
the
other
boards.,
once
it's
available
and
then
by
november,
we're
really
shooting
to
have
our
initial
public
reading
with
the
updated
energy
code.
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K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
and
so
the
first
3
areas
I
wanted
to
touch
on
really
deal
with
our
performance
targets
is
the
city
of
boulders,.
You
know.,
increasingly
looking
to
improve
our
efficiency
requirements
and
our
our
energy
savings.,
and
so
these
first
2
areas
look
at
kind
of
continuing
that
pathway
as
we
look
to
kind
of
reduce
our
energy
usage
and
down
to
net
0.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
but
the
second
part
of
this,,
really
the
the
last
3
sections
are,
are
kind
of
going
a
little
bit
further
than
just
looking
at
energy
usage
and
really
looking
at
electrification
and
and
natural
gas,
which,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
looks
at
carbon
reduction.
and
we'll
we'll
discuss
more
about
the
embodied
piece.
As
well.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:.
Another
thing
we're
really
looking
at
doing
is
revamping
the
the
targets
and
the
values
for
homes
that
are
less
than
3,000
square.
Feet.
we're
really
going
to
be
looking
at,,
you
know,
we,
we,.
We
have
access
to
the
racial
equity
tool
and
some
of
the
other
equity
tools
to
to
tie
in
and
really
look
at
this
and
kind
of
analyze.
This
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
access
to
energy
efficiency
and
not
the
folks
that
you
can
just
afford.
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josh
hanson,
cob:.
We
have
3
pathways
through
energy
code.
on
on
the
performance
side,.
We
do
have
prescriptive
requirements,
same
with
residential,
that's
based
off
of..
If,
if
the
building
is
so,
or
the
on
commercial.,
if
the
valuation
is
less
than
$500,000,,
you're
able
to
go,
perform
or
prescriptive
and
follow
the
recipe
in
the
book,
and
then
residential
is
that
it's
500
square
feet
or
less..
So
in
commercial,,
our
primary
focus
on
most
of
our
projects
is
really
the
performance
path.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:
and
there
are
3
pathways
through
performance.,
and
so
this
model
baseline
path
is
usually
what
we
think
of
it..
What
we
talk
about
when
we
talk
about
the
25
or
excuse
me,
20
to
25%
energy
reduction,
and
so
what
we're
really
looking
at
here
is
you.
You
model
the
building..
You
know
what
your
target
is..
We
have
to
show
an
additional
savings
above
that,,
because
boulder
requires
20
to
25%
savings.,
and
so
that's
really
where
you
you
get
that
target.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
and
so
what
we're
gonna
be
doing,
there
is
analyzing
it
and
seeing,
does
it,
you
know,.
Do
we
need
to
update
this
target.
of
course,?
We
need
to
update
this
target.
we're
looking
to
to
increase
our
energy
efficiency
as
the
city
of
boulder,
but
also
look
at
changing,
possibly
the
baseline
that
it's
measured,
against
which
it's
currently
the
ash,
rate.
2,016
baseline.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
another
path
which
you
can
kind
of
see
to
the
left.
here
in
the
boxes
is
our
fixed,
baseline,
path..
So
there's
this
is
really
more
of
a
static
target.,
and
so
you
have
the
the
buildings
on
the
left
that
are
in
blue
are
the
the
current
buildings
that
we
have
in
our
energy
code,
and,,
as
you
can
see
under
the
22
covid
column..
Those
are
the
targets
that
they
have
to
be
under
when
they
model
these
buildings.,
so
they're
really
not
having
to
model,
you
know.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
a
separate
building,
and
then
look
at
the
performance
and
and
it
against
that..
Here
you
just
go
in.,
you
find
a
static
number,
and
you
know,.
You
have
to
be
below
that
number..
The
downside
to
this
path
currently,
is
that
we
have
limitations
on
the
the
building,
that
types
that
are
in
our
code,
currently..
So
there's
only
6
building
types.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:
and
so
we're
looking
at
adjusting
that
to
allow
for
more
buildings,.
I
threw
in
some
additional
ideas
below
that
are
that
are
available
in
the
market
through
like
nbi,,
which
is
the
new
buildings
institute
and
some
of
those
other
programs
that
actually
do.
some
of
the
research
on
this..
So
there
are
additional
eui
targets
that
can
be
used..
We
just
we
have
a
question,
oh.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:.
I
was
looking
at
one,
the
other
day,
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
top,,
the
the
the
values
on
it.,
but
what
we're
really.?
It's
a
measurement
kind
of
over
that
square
footage
during
that
year..
And
so
that's.
Why
that
you
know,
it's
23.
and
so
we're
going
to
get
smaller
because
the
energy
use
index..
We
want
it
to
get
smaller.
so
you're
using
less
energy
across
the
square
footage
of
the
building.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
josh,,
correct
me..
If
I'm
wrong,,
it's
measured
in
kil.
kbt,,
you
you
first
work
for
it
per
year.,
yeah,
okay,
there
we
go.
that.
yeah.,
sorry
about
that..
I
I
don't
know
what
we
were
measuring,
but
not
you..
It
was
getting
smaller,
but
wasn't
sure
how
that
was
done..
So
no,
thank
you,,
carolyn,
yeah.,
so
kbt
you,,
which
you
know
it's
counterpart,
is
kw,
h.
which
is
the
kilowatt
hours.
yeah,.
So
thank
you
for
that
great
question,
too.
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
the
actually
standard,
as
certain
processes
that
are
regulated
through
that
program,
like
h,
back
lighting,
service,
water,
heating,
things
of
that
nature.,
and
so
all
of
that
ends
up
getting
factored
into
the
eui
targets..
It's
just
kind
of
like.
I
was
mentioning
earlier
to
markets
that
you
have
kb,
to
use
a
target..
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Josh
hanson,
cob:,
but
it's
predictive,
right?.
It's
not
measuring
all
the
tvs
you
plug
in.,
there's,
there's
an
unregulated
load.
That's
that's
factored
into
that
as
well.
that
that
is,,
when
they
do
the
calculation.,
they
have
the
calculation
for
the
regulated
loads,,
which
is
basically
what
ash
rate
lays
out
for
you
to
model
and
how
to
model..
But
there's
unregulated
loads.
Like
you
mentioned,
some
plug
loads.
appliances
are
not
appliances,
but
like
computers,
things
of
that
nature,
that
may
be
additional
plugs
in.,
and
so
they
it
it
factors
that
into
the
calculation.
K
A
Josh
hanson,
cob:
alright,
josh,
go
ahead.,
not
a
problem
anytime..
Thank
you
very
much.,
so
we
mentioned
the
first
2
paths
for
the
commercial
energy
code
and
the
last
path
which
I
I'd,
love
to
joke
that
it's
our
most
popular
path.
but
unfortunately,
we
haven't
had
anyone
go
through
yet,,
but
it's
our
measured
performance
outcome,
path.,
and
so
this
is,,
I
think,
similar
to
what
kirk
was
mentioning
earlier
to
where.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
and
then,
where
those
2
would
bury
into
it,
would
be
actually
your
your
performance
outcome
on
this.
and
so,,
since
we
haven't
really
seen
any
buildings
go
through
this
path.
Currently
in
the
city,,
we're
looking
at
actually
requiring
this
for
you
know,
for,
depending
on
the
building
type,
to
really
start
getting
more
more
data
and
more
of
an
analysis
on
on
this
path
and
kind
of
buildings..
The
commercial
buildings,
at
least.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
this
program
has,
like
a
lot
of
really
good
benefits..
So
not
only
are
you
getting
a
home,,
that's
basically
0
energy
ready..
It
takes
you
to
the
point
of
of
solar
installation
without
doing
the
solar
installation..
Hence
the
the
ready
aspect
of
it.,
but
some
key
things
to
really
note
about
this
program
is
it's
grounded
in
energy,
star,,
new
home
certification.
and
so
the
real,,
the
real
benefit
to
this
new
3.2
version
of
the
program.
K
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
this..
This
program
has
some
some
different
caveats
than
other
programs
do.,
and
so
like
this
one
here,,
you
have
to
have
the
h
track
system
entirely
inside
the
thermal
envelope..
So
typically,.
If
you
see
some
air
handlers,,
maybe
in
an
add
it
or
a
crawl
space
that
has
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
if
you're,
if
you're
doing
this
program,,
you
just
have
to
make
sure
that
it
remains
in
the
thermal
envelope
of
the
building.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:.
This
is
one
of
the
first
programs
that
actually
introduced
the
pv
ready
checklist.,
and
that
is
a
requirement
for
this
certification.
and
then
the
last
pieces.
They
really
also
introduced
av
ready,
and
then
heat,
pump
and
water
space
heating,
ready
requirements
that
are
built
into
this,,
this,
basically
an
elective
option
through
energy
code..
The
real
reason
I
wanted
to
also
bring
this
to
everyone's
attention
is.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:.
There
are
some
good
incentives
that
are
available
through
this
program
to
help
really
incentivize
home
owners
to
consider
looking
at
this,
and
not
just,,
you
know,
getting
an
energy,,
efficient,
home,,
but
a
healthy
home
as
well..
The
inflation
reduction
act
that
was
released
last
year.
put
out
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
incentives
that
were
available..
One
of
them
that
comes
to
top
of
my
mind,
is
the
45
l
tax
credit,,
and
it's
actually
going
to
be
available
through
the
next
10
years..
K
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
we
just
touched
on
the
first
2
areas
of
of
of
interest.
really,,
with
our
our
update
to
energy
coverage,
really
focused
on
kind
of
our
performance
targets
and
tightening
those
down
for
our
energy
savings
for
our
goal
with
the
city..
The
next
3
areas
are
really
going
to
pull
everything
I'd,
say:
full
circle,
as
we
look
at
electrification,,
which
is
really
the
hot
button
topic.
That's
that's
being
talked
about
all
over
the
country,,
as
well
as
looking
100%
offset
for
our
natural
gas
usage.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
and
then
also
look
at
having
electric
ready
for
other
appliances
like
stoves.
for
anyone,
that's
wondering.
a
level
for
alteration
is
going
to
be..
Think
of
it
as
an
alteration..
That's
the
last
step
before
you
hit
new
construction..
So
that's
why
it's
included
up
there
with
construction..
So
it's
it's
a
really
heavy
major
alteration..
The
next
item
I
wanted
to
mention
is
our
level
3
alterations.,
and
so
with
this
level,,
it's
not
as.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
intensive,
is
a
level
for
alteration.,
but
what
we're
looking
to
do
here
really
is
is
to
really
encourage
electric,
ready,
and
to
help
incentivize
folks
to
to
consider
moving
this
way,
and
so
through
that..
What
we
would
do
is
similarly
to
the
way
we
have
it
currently
written
for
our
all
our
alterations..
We
provide
some
allowances
above
the
target
to
to
understand
that
you
know,
with
alterations.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob::
this
is
the
hand
that
you're
dealt..
This
is
what
you
have
to
deal
with
with
this..
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
give
you
a
more
lenient
target
that
way..
It
helps
kind
of
offset
any
additional
cost
that
might
be
incurred
through
going
electric
wedding,,
which
should
be
really
very
minimal..
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
some
other
areas
that
I
wanted
to
mention
to
that
we're
looking
at
is
ev
charging
requirements..
Last
thursday
the
state
released
its
model,
electric
ready
and
solar
ready,
codes,
and
the
city
of
boulder
is
about
95%
in
alignment
with
it
already.
the
real
area
that
it's
gonna
provide
a
minimal
impact.
I
would
say,,
is
our
multi
family,
area.
and
so
basically,.
What
it's
doing
there
is.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
it's
gonna
up
the
anni
from
our
current
requirement
of
10
for
ev,
ready
to
15
for
you
to
be
ready.,
that's
the
real,,
the
real
difference..
It
introduces
another
ev
capable
light
section
as
well.,
but
with
us.
We're
really
gonna
be
kind
of
looking
at
that
and
using
that
as
a
springboard
to
to
enhance
those
requirements.
and
and.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
to
help
encourage
electric
bike
charging.
and
so
one
a
couple
of
things
I
wanted
to
to
mention
before
we
switch
off
this
slide.
Is,,
you
know,,
as
we
consider
and
think
about
this
electric
ready
space
and
water
heating
crested.,
but
here,
in
the
city
or
in
the
state
of
colorado,,
is
actually
the
first
city
to
require
all
electric
new
construction
for
projects,
and
as
someone,
you
might
be.
Aware,
denver
is
going
to
be
following
close
behind
as
starting.
january
first,
2,024,.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
just
some
things
to
think
about,
as
we
kind
of
start
moving
through
this
and
really
talking
about
carbon
reductions.
for
anyone.
That's
more
interested
in
in
more
information
on
this.
the
packet
that
was
provided.
You
can
check
out
page
51,
under
the
title
for
natural
gas
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
on
this
background.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
part
4
here
really
deals
with
our
our
natural
gas
offset.
and
so
with
the
starting
and
residential,.
We
currently
require
this.,
so
anything
that's
heating
outside
of
the
dwelling
unit
or
the
the
home
is,
we're
going
to
require
a
hundred
offset.
if
it's
a
fossil
fuel
or
natural
gas..
If
you
use
a
heat
pump.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
I
can
say
in
the
past
months
with.
I've
been
with
the
city.
we've
seen
more
and
more
things
that
come
in
that
are
going
to
be
heating
out
outdoors,
and
just
kind
of
more
questions
on
how
to
handle
this,.
How
to
address
like
electric
resistance,
heating
in
certain
areas,
or
fire
pits
or
saunas
of
things
of
that
nature,
and
just
help
provide
more
guidance
on
on
that
aspect.
and
how
to
do
those
calculations
to
ensure
they're
in
compliance.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
on
the
commercial
front.
we
really
didn't
have
anything
built
in
for
any
any
offsets
other
than
our
normal
5%
energy
offset
that
we
require
just
for
the
energy
usage
of
the
building.,
something
that
we've
really
considered
and
and
are
looking
at
requiring
is
for
mixed
field
buildings
having
a
hundred
percent
of
the
natural
gas
use.
If
it's
going
to
be
used
to
be
offset.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
the
last
piece
here
that
I
wanted
to
to
really
touch
on
that
really
brings
everything..
Full
circle
is
just
this
idea
of
carbon
reduction.
and
what
we're
really
looking
at
and
leapfrogging
the
idea
of
this,
this
net
0
energy,
to
really
focusing
on
the
the
the
elephant
in
the
room,,
which
is,,
which
is
carbon.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
and
so
for
anyone,
that's
not
familiar.
when
we
refer
to
the
term
carbon.
we're
not
referring
to
the
periodic
table
version
of
it.,
we're
really
referring
to
carbon
dioxide.,
and
so
some
interesting
things
to
note.
Here,
buildings
actually
account
for
about
39
of
greenhouse
gases.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
that
basically
are
are
emitted
from
a
a
carbon
dioxide.,
and
so
a
quarter
of
that
actually
comes
from
embodyed
carbon
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
here
in
a
second.
but
quick
to
to
give
you
guys
a
quick
understanding
of
it.
there's
2
types
of
carbon..
We
have
operational
carbon
as
well
as
in
body
carbon..
K
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
that's
the
operational
carbon
and
the
carbon
dioxide.
That's
emitted,
just
from
your
normal
day
to
day
operations
on
the
embodied
carbon
front..
It's
really
from
manufacture
extraction
through
the
construction
process,
up
to
think
of
it
as
the
final
turnover
to
the
the
building
owner..
So
it's
all
of
the
embodied
carbon
throughout
that
process.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
through
recent
studies..
There
are
some
categories
that
tend
to
yield
more
bang
for
your
buck
when
you're,
really
looking
at
a
bot
embody
carbon
reduction,
and
I've
really
kind.
Of..
Look
at
those
first
kind
of
4
categories
that
are
listed
up:
here.
primarily,,
the
main
one
that
everyone
really
thinks
about
is
optimizing.
Our
concrete
mix
to
help,
really
reduce
and
help
in
train
some
carbon
dioxide
and
to
help
to
help
kind
of.
we'll
get
where
we
are
before
our
car
or
our
body.
Carbon
reduction,
targets.
K
Josh
hanson,,
cob:,
and
so
the
other
2
pieces
is
really
you
know,,
looking
at
rebar
as
well
as
installation.,
and
so
I
think,
you
know,
as
we
move
forward
with
this,.
These
could
be
areas
that
would
be
up
for
consideration.
possibly,.
As
we
look
at
moving
the
needle
on
this
embodied
carbon
reduction
is
maybe
requiring
you
know,
a
a
set.
some,.
You
know,
items
from
certain
categories
to
meet
this
reduction..
There
are
tools
in
the
market
that
can
help.
K
K
Josh
hanson,,
cob:
and
then
also
in
the
multi
family.
Realm
is
a
life
cycle
assessment
that
can
be
performed.,
and
so
the
life
cycle
assessment
for
anyone
that's
familiar
is
basically
an
analysis
of
the
environmental
impact
of
that
building..
It's
processes,
the
materials
that
are
being
that
are
in
it.
over
the
useful
life
of
the
building.,
and
so
it
really
gives
you
a
a
better
understanding
of
how
these
buildings
are
performing.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
josh
hanson,
cob:
next
steps
really
for
us.
here
is
to
really
look
at
the
feedback
and
and
recommendations
that
we
can
get
from
the
board
and
and
the
boards
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing,.
Just
putting
this
presentation
to,
as
well
as
city
council,
engaging
stakeholders
in
the
community
to
get
their
their
feelings
on
everything
and
their
feedback
as
at
the
end
of
the
day..
As
I
mentioned,,
this
really
is
going
to
be
their
code.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
incorporate
all
of
that
feedback
and
recommendations,
as
we
look
at
drafting
the
kovac,,
and
so
I
believe
the
the
rough
draft
for
residential
is
going
to
be
around.
september
is,
and
then
october
is
going
to
be
closer
to
where
we
have
the
rough
draft..
I
want
to
say
for
commercial.
K
K
K
K
K
K
A
A
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
I
just
don't
understand,
it.
it's
my
ignorance.,
so
I'm
hoping
that
someone
can
help
me
understand.
This.,
it
says
staff
proposes
to
transition
from
a
net
0
energy
focus
to
a
net
0
greenhouse
gas
focus
that
considers
grid
emissions,
reductions
when
imposing
requirements
on
projects..
Could
you
please
explain
what
that
means.
and
what
is
significant
about
changing
from
a
net
0
energy
focus
to
a
net
0
greenhouse
gas
focus.?
Why
is
that
preferred?.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
josh
hanson,
cob:,
basically
what
it.
so
the
way
to
really
look
at
it..
I
want
to
try
and
think
about
how
to
to
explain
it
without
getting
to
mentioned
the
grass
for
you,,
so
net
0,
we're
looking
really
at
the
focus,
is
energy.,
and
so,
when
we
look
at
net
net
car
or
net
0
carbon,,
what
we're
doing
is
you're,
basically
leapfrogging,
just
energy.
and
you're
looking
at
carbon
as
a
whole,,
which
factors
in
like
I
mentioned
that
the
embodied
carbon
aspect,
which
is
basically
innate
carbon
dioxide,
that's
in
materials.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
in
in
a
in
a,
in
a
nutshell.,
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
an
easy
way
to
kind
of
explain
it
if
that
makes
sense
to
where,
like
energy
reduction.,
if
you
did
a
a
30%
savings
on
a
building,
you
may
not.
you,
you
you're
you're,
delivering
on
part
of
the
re..
You
know
you're
you're
meeting
the
requirement
for
the
operational
carbon
piece,
and
so
that
30%
reduction
is
great.,
but
there's
still
carbon,
that's
out
there.,
and
so
that's.
K
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder
(she/her):,
so
in
josh,.
Maybe
if
I
can
be
in
just
a
little
bit
on
this
one
as
well,,
I
think
laura,
as
you
know,
with
our
roadmap..
We
were
really
on
a
trajectory
where
you
produce
as
much
energy
as
you
use
on
site
at
the
building,,
and
that
was
really
motivated
a
lot
by
where
our
grid
emissions
were..
When
we
first
laid
out
that
roadmap.
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder
(she/her):,
we're
now
on
a
trajectory
to
be
somewhere
over
80%
renewables
on
the
grade
by
our
2030
timeframe.,
and
we
want
to
kind
of
credit
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
have
a
little
mission
grid,
and
not
necessarily
drive
as
much
investment
into
renewable
generation
to
offset
energy
use
within
the
the
buildings.
we're
running
into
constraints.
As
we
move
to
higher
density.
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):
structures,,
smaller
homes
with
different
lot
orientations..
So
as
we
think
about
our
net
0
code,
where
we
were
crying
as
much
solar
on
site
as
the
building
used.
we're
driving
people
to
have
to
purchase
offsite
options,,
which
is
not
necessarily
what
we're
we're
trying
to
accomplish
over
just
thinking
about
it,
a
little
bit
different
in
terms
of
like,.
What
are
we
already
getting?
through
clean
electricity?
and
what's
the
balance
that
we
need
to
offset.
L
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
I
think
so?.
It
sounds
like
there's
2
things
that
this
accomplishes.
and
when
you
say,
net
0,
greenhouse
gas,,
you're,
talking
about
carbon.
and
you're,
talking
about
not
only
operational
carbon,
but
you're
talking
about
embodied
carbon.,
and
so
this
focus
allows
you
to
look
at
that
embodied
carbon
piece
and
it
also.
H
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
my
personal
experience
with
electric
bikes,
is
that
the
batteries
come
off
and
you
can
charge
it
in
any
outlet
in
your
house.
is
there?.
Are
there
a
lot
of
models
of
electric
bikes.?
Do
we
expect
a
lot
of
the
electric
bikes
of
the
future
to
be
integrated
batteries
that
you
cannot
take
off
the
bike??
Why
do
we
need
to
focus
on
electric
bike
charging?.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
josh
hanson,
cob:.
This
was
something
that,
was
brought
to
my
attention.
at
least
coming
to
the
city.
Was,
you
know,.
There
was
more
of
a
focus
on
multimodal
transportation.,
so
you
know,,
we,
we
saw
the
scooters,
and
we
saw
kind
of
the
problems
and
the
the
learning
curve
of
the
scooters.
and
so,
we're,
seeing
more
and
more
of
these
bike
chargers
that
are
throughout
the
city..
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
yeah,,
and
what
what's
really
the
intent
behind
it,
and
make
sure
that
it's
you
know
it
meets
the
requirements
of
what
we're
after,.
Because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
may
look
into
it
and
decide
that
you
know
what
this
really
isn't
going
to
be
the
best
thing
for
our
buck,
and
we
might
move
a
different
direction..
But.
H
Josh
hanson,
cob:
is
that
still
possible
in
the
city
that
that
new
multi-fuel
buildings
are
not
individually
metered,,
because
I
think
that
might
be
something
to
change
if
that
is
still
possible..
So
so
I
can
say
that
the
buildings
all
do
require
to
be
metered,
or
the
dwelling
units
are
required
to
be
made
or
individually
metered.,
and
so
that's
actually
written
into
the
energy
code
under
the
commercial
code.
okay,
great..
Let's
go
good
to
know
that
that's
a
thing
of
the
past..
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
retrofit
for
that.
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
I
did
want
to
ask
a
question
around
the
social
equity,
social
and
equity
impacts.,
and
I
think
this
is
a
hard
question..
I
I
appreciate
that
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
lens
of..
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
in
the
city,,
regardless
of
income,,
has
access
to
energy
efficiency.
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
on
page
47,,
there's
a
statement
that
says,
rather
than
setting
less
stringent
requirements
for
smaller
homes
or
commercial
projects..
There
is
opportunity
to
leverage
federal,,
state
and
local
investment
to
advance
equity
priorities
without
sacrificing
building
performance..
So
that
says
to
me
that
one.
H
H
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
no,
definitely.,
and
so
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
the
main
parts
of
the
the
part,
2
really
with
the
the
deal
with
0
energy
ready,
home.,
and
so
there
are
incentives
that
are
available
out
there
to
help
offset
the
cost
of
that
when
we're
looking
at
multi
family..
If
I
remember
correctly,.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
and
it
doesn't
cap
the
the
number
of
units
on
site,
but
to
your
point,,
I
think,
with
regards
to
affordable
housing
and
multi
family,.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
look
at
and
definitely,
we'll
dig
into
and
see.
If
it,
you
know,,
like
you,
said,
to
help
promote,
affordable
housing..
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
very
valuable
for
us
to
look
at
that
and
see
if
there's
any
trade
offs
that
might
make
sense
to
help
really,
really
push
that
that
in
the
city
here.
so.
H
N
N
K
N
O
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:.
We
have
the
flexibility
to
to,
for
to
we've.
I've
actually
had
folks
ask
if
we
can
model
multi
family
projects
using
the
er
I
path,,
and
so
they
can
do
it.,
but
with
the
way
that
the
commercial
program
is
built,,
it's
it's
you're
able
to
model
the
building
as
a
whole
versus
individual
units
unitarily.,
and
so
it
just
becomes
burdened,
some
for
multi-family
to
really
do
the
the
hers
index.
Path.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
when
you
get
into
those
scenarios.
and
you
have
these
3
story,
buildings
that
are
residential..
You've
got
4
story,
buildings
that
are
commercial,.
It
gets
really
muddy
and
really
messy.,
and
so
we've
seen
a
lot
more
municipalities
moving
to
require
or
moving
just
the
needle
to
where
our
2
occupancies
are
no
longer.
Even
if
it's
3
stories
down
or
no
longer
included
in
a
residential,
they're
included
under
commercial..
So.
N
N
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
how,:
how
would
the
energy
requirements
compare
between
those
2?
because
it's
we
have
these
2
very
different
metric
systems
right
for
residential
and
commercial.,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
see
like
is
one
way
more
than
the
other..
So
so
I
would
say,
currently,.
One
thing
I
would
say
is
that
I
would.
our
residential
is
going
to
be
more
stringent
because
we
already
require
net
0
on
it.
and
so.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
it's
it's
getting
more
and
more
stringent,,
as
you
saw
on
the
the
slide
previously,.
A
lot
of
those
values
are
in
the
third,
like
lower
thirties,
and
you
know,
mid
to
lower
twenties.
and
so
we're
moving
the
needle
down
further
and
further
to
that
0..
But
the
other
piece,
too,
is
that
we've
moved
to
this
ei
target
that
we
have
now.,
and
so
it's
very
similar
to
what
we
do
in
residential..
But
it's
hard
to
really
quantify
the
2,,
because
with
with
commercial,,
you
have
different
systems
that
can
be
used
versus
residential.
K
L
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N
N
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
and
that
seemed
odd
to
me,
because
it
seemed
just
intuitively.
It
seemed
like
you
would
want
to
be
more
stringent
on
editions,,
because
presumably
you're
ending
up
with
a
larger
house
in
the
long,
you
know,
after
the
addition
is
done,.
Then
a
500
square
foot
8,
you,
for
example..
So
I'm
I'm.
If
you
can.,
you
just
understand
the
thinking
behind.
K
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder
(she/her):,
so,
carolyn,,
do
you
know
a
little
bit
of
that
backstory
because
I
wasn't
around
that
far
back.
sorry.
and
if
you,,
if
correctly,,
if
I
run
josh,,
I
think
we're,
we're
adding,
in
addition,
we're
we're
looking
at
the
entirety
of
the
the
structure.,
and
so
it's
acknowledging
that
you're,
starting
with
a
a
poor
performing
structure,
to
begin
with
an
adding
addition
and
having
to
bring
it
all
together
in
an
integrated
way..
And
so
that's
where
the
1,000
came
in
versus
a
free,
standing,,
500
square
foot.
N
N
Kurt
nordback,
pb:,
the
the
entire
house
then,,
has
to
meet
this
requirement?
okay?,
yeah,
or
or
at
30,.
It
is
a
30..
I
have
to
look
at
or
30
overall
improvement.
yeah,,
that's
correct.,
yeah,.
There's
there's
a
couple
of
different
paths
on
it.
but
yeah,,
that's
basically,!
If
it's
a
level
3
alteration,
we're
50.
well,.
If
it's
sorry,,
this
is
audition.,
so
yes,
so
like
to
to
what
carolyn
said
you
would
be
required
to
have
a
hers
of
50
or
less.
K
N
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
okay?
and
then
one
last
question,,
which
you,
you
may
not
have
numbers
for
this.,
but
I
was
just
thinking
about.,
so
we're
very
focused
on
new
buildings
right?
and
we
don't
we?.
None
of
this
deals
with
existing
buildings,
with
smart
regs
that
deals
with
existing
rental
buildings.,
but
that's
really
all..
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
have.
N
N
N
Josh
hanson,
cob:
like,
how
much
of
the
building
stock
are
we
actually
affecting
in
any
near
term
timeframe
with
this.?
So
so
I
I
we
did
talk
a
lot
about
new
construction
in
that
in
the
presentation.,
but
the
intent
there
is
to
to
really
focus
on
new
construction
as
well
as
alterations
and
additions.,
and
look
at
updating
those
and
addressing
those.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
those
sections.
at
least,,
we're
not
going
to
leave
those
out
at
all
by
any
means.
because
to
your
point,,
really
this,,
that's
really
what
we
see,!
The
majority
of
what
we
see
come
in
is
a
lot
of
tended
infills..
You
know.
it's
a
lot
of
existing
buildings
that
are
getting
repurposed
and
reuse
versus
new
construction.,
and
so
I
at
this
moment
I
can't
really
speak
to
that
point..
But
I
can
definitely
do
some
research
and
get
back
to
you
on
it.
M
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:.
I
know
that
recently,.
I
actually
looked
at
the
site
review
criteria
that
was
updated.,
and
I
know
that
we've
addressed
the
items,,
at
least
with
the
site
review
criteria
as
to
the
actual
process
on
how
it
would
overlay
with
the
other
departments,
and
with
zoning
and
planning,,
with
everything
kind
of
how
it
would
really
incorporate
to
that.
K
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
component
of
the
building
code,
its
own
piece.,
so
the
building
code
is
actually
made
up
of
a
variety
of
different
pieces..
You've
got
the
the
residential
code,,
the
international
building.
Code.
you
get
the
plumbing
code,,
the
mechanical
code..
Actually
there,
the
books
will
fill
a
whole
bookshel
from
all
the
pieces..
This
is
one
of
those
books
for
energy
conservation..
It
is
then
intended
to
apply.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
it's
any
in
all
construction,
depending
on
the
triggers
that
are
play
at
present
across
the
city,
independent
of
whether
a
project
was
in
site
review
was
a
by
right
project.
Any
of
those
items.
That's
an
in
it..
It
does
not
differentiate.,
so
it
will
apply
again,
using
the
triggers,,
regardless
of
the
land
use
entitlement
process,
that
a
project.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
through
intent
being
to
be
as
broad
as
we
can
with
this,
and
recognizing.
We
don't
really
want
to
incentivize,
not
going
or
going
through
a
certain
land
use
process
over
meeting
some
of
these
goals..
It
relates
to
our
energy,
consumption,
energy
conservation,
and
of
course,,
ultimately,
greenhouse
gas..
Does
that
help
answer
your
question?.
M
M
M
M
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
I
want
to
say
this.,
so
this
actually
came
from
the
the
earlier
2,020
code
that
we
were
currently
in
as
a
mandatory
requirement.
and
so
like
you,
it's,.
It's
a
5%
of
the
energy
use
of
the
building
needs
to
be
offset
with
solar
is
the
what
the
requirement
is
and-
and
I
think
carolyn
might
have
been
around
at
the
time
when
they
did
the
update
with
the
code,
and
might
be
able
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
why
it
was
set
at
5%..
My
my
guess,
is,.
K
L
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):
number..
It's
not
any
meaningful
thing
in
terms
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
like
there
wasn't
a
calculation
to
say,.
We
need
5
to
offset,,
but
rather
it
was
the
incremental
cost
of
construction
that
helped
inform
the
5%
with
the
idea
that
most
projects
are
actually
installing
more
to
meet
the
other
requirements
to
meet
the
performance.
Requirements.
anyway,
we're
trying
to
get
them
over
that
kernel
of
at
least
installing
some
that
that
was
the
rationale
behind
it.
M
M
M
M
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):
yes,,
so
I'm
going
to
get..
I
don't
have
the
bill
number.
On
top
of
my
head,
and
in
2,021
senator
fender,
put
through
a
successful
bill.
that
change
some
of
the
the
requirements
around
solar
net
meter,
and
that
included
a
provision
for
a
master
meter,,
multi-tenant,
multi-unit.
L
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):,
there's
a
limit,,
I
think,
on
how
much
you
can
monetize,
but
no
longer
restrict
your
ability
to
monetize
some
of
that
benefit,
and
allows
you
to
credit
the
net
metering
to
the
individual,
tenants
and
the
property..
So
there
has
been
progress
in
that
regard..
It's
it's
implemented..
We
won't
know
if
it's
really
addressing
all
of
the
issues.,
but
certainly
there's
been
progress.
M
M
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder
(she/her):,
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
can
comment
on
there..
So,
if
again,
with
the
origin
of
the
the
roadmap
and
and
our
strategies.,
we
we
wanted
to
minimize
how
much
of
dirty
sources
of
energy
were
used
by
the
building..
So
the
idea
of
not
using
the
grid
mix,
but
rather.
L
L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder
(she/her):
location,
and
they
can
maybe
put
enough
solar
on
there
to
do
50
of
their
energy
need,
and
they
have
to
get
another
50
off
site.
there
are.
there
are
options
for
them
out
there..
They
can't
go
to
solar
gardens
that
there
there
are
any
that
are
taking
subscribers.,
it
is
becoming
more
challenging.,
and
so
there's
all
these
administrative
things..
And
so
that's
why
you're,
seeing
that
shift
away
from
trying
to
get
to
100%.
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E
E
L
L
E
L
E
E
L
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
push
the
envelope
to
where
they
would
want
to
be
able
to
be
possibly
able
to
consider
the
the
solar
aspect
with
those
incentives
to
help.
and
so,
and
I
think,
back
to
your
point,
too.,
you
know,,
we
could
really
it..
I
think
it's
something
to
to
kind
of
look
at
and
consider
because.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
we..
We
want
to
encourage
solar
and
help
push
the
envelope.,
but
I
think
we
could.
you
know,.
We
possibly
could
look
at
it
from
the
city
level
and
look
at..
You
know
of
the
homes
that
have
come
through
that
were
less
than
a
certain,.
You
know
square
footage
that
would
require
solar,
ready.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
you,.
You
try
to
set
a
requirement
by
a
certain
date..
The
problem
that
we
run
into
is
that
there's
a
ton
of
material
delays,
currently.
and
things
are
taking
a
lot
longer
times
to
to
get.,
and
so
it's
very
hard..
I
mean,
we've
seen
projects
that
have
been
wrapped
up
for
construction..
They
pull
the
permit
for
solar,
say,
a
month
later,
and
within
the
next
5
months,,
when
the
solar
gets
consoled,.
So
the
the
timeframe
is
really
drawn
out
on
those
projects.
K
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
and
so
there's
a
there's
that
savings
that
you're
gonna
see
there,
as
well
as
the
additional
savings
from.,
and
I
just
mentioned
one
incentive,,
which
was
the
45
l..
We
actually
talked
to
excel,,
probably
a
couple
of
weeks
back,
and
they
mentioned
looking
at
doing
a
program
that
would
allow
for
$10,000
in
rebates
for
electric
ready
and
so
or
not
what?,
you're
ready.,
but
the
0
energy,
ready,
home.
and
so.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
there's
there's
additional
incentives
that
are
available..
It's
just.
I
wanted
to
try
and
make
that
available
to
to
anyone.,
and
it's
not
just
for
the
homes
that
are
less
than
3,000
square
feet,.
The
homes
that
are
greater
than
can
also
do
it
and
get
the
incentives
as
well,.
They
just
have
to
do
the
solar
to
meet
the
requirement
from
the
city
as
well.
so.
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E
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):,
yes.,
carolyn,
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):,
yes,
there,.
There
is
consideration,
to.
yeah.,
so
that
that's
kind
of
part
of
the
the
a
couple
of
slides
we
go..
We
talked
about
encouraging
electrification
and
like
level
4
level,
5,
and
really
looking
to.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
to
help
incentivize
them
to
look
at.,
considering
this,,
as
you
know,
the
writings
really
on
the
wall,
as
we're
starting
to
really
encourage
this,,
get
it
into
code..
The
next
step.
really,
you
know,,
once
we
get
it
codified
for
electric
ready
is,
is
to
look
at,,
you
know,,
electric,
all
electric
requirements.,
and
so
that's
really
the
hurdle.
I
think
that
we're
really
looking
at
is
to
getting
it
codified
to
do
electric
ready.,
and
then
you
really,
once
it's
in
there..
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L
Carolyn
elam,
city
of
boulder,
(she/her):,
electric
or
prohibition.-
that's
certainly
something
that
can
be
considered..
It
is
something
that
denver
has
adopted
in
their
commercial
building.
codes.
I
don't
know
that
they
they
are
looking
at
it
for
residential
as
well,,
but
haven't
gotten
as
far..
So
that's
certainly
on
the
table.
E
Edward
stafford,
cob:
right?,
I
would
also,
just
to
give
some
additional
clarification.
ml,
you
know,
in
terms
of
a
larger
incentive
program
beyond
construction,
or
people
doing
something
on
their
house
would
be
outside
of
the
scope
of
this
particular
project..
The
likely
part
of
the
scope
of
some
of
the
larger
work
on
the
the
road
roadmap
and
some
of
the
work
that
caroline's
department
is
leading.,
so
we'll
wanna
make
sure
that
we
keep
up.
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E
E
E
E
Ml
robles,
pb:,
so
ml
robles,
pb:,
you
know,
excess
ml,
robles,,
pb:,
carbon.
ml
robles,,
pb:,
greenhouse
gases,
etc.,
to
have
to
deal
with,
and
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
that.
Just
start
at
the
beginning,
may
okay,
the
highest
standard
that
is
out
there
that
is
currently
being
used
in
perceived
house.
E
E
Josh
hanson,
cob:
okay,
that
so
so
I
can.
I
can
mention
this.
and
so
actually
built
into
the
admin
portion
of
the
energy
code,.
It
gives
us
the
ability
to
accept
any
above
code
programs
that
we
deem
to
be
fit.,
and
so
the
reason
I
really
looked
at
the
deal
is
0
energy
ready
home
is..
There
were
a
ton
of
incentives
that
are
out
there
available
to
help
people
go
that
route.
and
the
reason
I
looked
at
this
was,,
it's
similar
to
what
we're
currently
requiring
versus.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
our
our
requirements
for
those
homes
that
are
less
than
3,000
square
feet
right
now,
or
you
know,.
It
requires
the
or
I
target
some
other
things.,
but
this
program.
now,.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention:
is,,
it's
an
elective
program.,
and
so
it's
not.,
it's
not
a
code
requirement.!
It's
that
you
can
do.,
you
could
do
this,
or
the
alternative
would
be
to
do
this
above
code
program.,
and
so
the
reason
I
say
all
that
is
like,.
K
Ml
robles,
pb:,
so
I
I'm
I'm
not
thinking
that
any
any,
you
would
say,
no,.
You
can't
do
better,,
I'm
just
saying,.
Can
we
make
better
the
standard?
and
it
is
a
commercial.?
It
is
a
commercial
standard
as
well
as
a
residential
standard,
and
as
we
solve
the
large
fire
excel,
is
offering
a
double
way.
Above.
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L
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
so..
I
really
appreciate
my
colleagues
questions..
I
have
a
couple
of
additional
ones
that
weren't
touched
on
in
the
matrix
that
you
showed
of
the
eui
performance
targets..
The
buildings
that
were
noted
only
went
up
to
50,000
square
feet.,
but
we
definitely
have
buildings
proposed.
A
K
K
A
A
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
that's
in
in
some
aspects..
That's
why
we
have
the
model
baseline
path
as
well
as
they
can
actually
model
the
building
to
see
how
it
should
perform.
there's
just
some
limitations
on
the
other
eui
targets,,
and
it
could
be
you
know,.
We
we
have
a
ton
of
building
stock.,
that's
that
way.,
and
so
that
may
be
why
it
limits
that
to
the
50,000,,
because
at
that
point.
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:.
They
really
didn't
have
a
ton
of
of
building
stock
out
there
that
they
were
able
to
to
record
that
usage
on
yet,
or
that
that
wasn't
already
out
there.
that's
kind
of
tainting
that
that
pool.,
but
but
no,
to
your
point..
We
will
definitely
be
discussing
that
with
our
our
consultant
to
look
at
that
and
see
if
it.
If
there
are
some
targets
we
can
give
for
those
larger
buildings
to
make
sure
that.
K
A
A
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:,
so
josh
hanson,
cob:
the
recent
code
that
came
out
actually
last
week,
with
the
state.
we
are
currently
in
align
with
with
the
values
that
you
see
on
the
the
table.
On
that
page,
the
only
thing
that
really
changes
is
multi-family.
and
so
multi-family.
They
really
increase
the
requirement
from
our
10
up
to
15.,
but
I
think
to
your
note,.
This
is
really
a
starting
point
for
us.,
so
the
values
that
they're
going
to
require
us
to
be
at
from
the
the
state
code.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
now,.
I
can't
really
speak
to
the
amount
of
saying
50%
needs
to
be
this
way.,
you
know,
with
that
aspect..
I
you
know
we
want
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research
and
see,
you
know,
where..
Where
is
that
kind
of
break,,
even
point??
Where
does
it
make
the
most
sense
to
really
do
it.
and
then,
you
know,
and
and
one
thing
to
say
about
the
ev
ready
and
ev
charging
is,,
it's
very
interchangeable.!
So
your
ev,.
If
you
have
additional
items
there,,
it
covers
the
other
2
areas.,
and
so.
K
K
Josh
hanson,
cob:
yeah,
so,
but
but
I
think
to
answer
your
question
and
bring
it
back.
Is,
yes,
we're
looking
at
using
the
state
code
as
our
baseline
and
really
increasing
the
metric
and
the
requirements
on
those
you
know
where
it
makes
sense
and
and
kind
of
where's
that
that
happy
balance
with
really
that?.
You
know
the
best
thing
for
the
buck
on
the
projects.
and
what
we're
really
our
goal
is
as
a
city..
So.
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
the
parking
reductions
and
the
savings
that
developers
get
from
those..
That's
a
great
point.
thank
you.,
yeah.,
make
sure
they're
more
stringent,,
maybe
on
those
requirements,,
because
you're
already
getting
a
break.,
you
might
as
well
have
to
up
the
annie.
and
what
you're
needing
to
do
on
an
efficiency
standpoint..
So
thank
you
for
that.
Feedback.,
yeah.,
okay.,
page
52..
You
talked
about
the
challenges
requiring
all
electric
construction
requirements.,
and
you
mentioned
the
berkeley
case?.
I
think
I'm
understanding
those
2
being
connected.
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
that
would
pb,
sarah
silver:
not
be
a
hundred.,
so
you
would
get
around
berkeley,
but
would
be
big
enough
that
the
developer
would
just
go
fine.,
I'm
just
going
to
go
all
electric.
so,
carolyn,!
I
I
why,
you
speak
to
it.,
but
I
think
that's
really.
One
of
the
avenues
we're
looking
at
is
is
setting
a
metric
for
that
and
go
ahead.
Your
own.
sorry.
yeah,,
it's
one
of
the
motivations
behind
the
100,
offset
of
any
natural
gas
use.
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A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
the
scope
of
what
we
see
in
energy
conservation,
likely
would
go
more
in
the
title:
line,
land
use
and
landscape
requirements.,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
is
coming
up
more
and
more
as
we
do
planning
efforts..
As
we
look
at
land
uses,,
we
look
our
area
plans
even..
I
would
expect
that
we'll
see
something.
it's
not
on
the
work
plan
this
year
to
develop
code
for
that,,
but
would
suspect
some
part
in
the
future.
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay?.
If
not,,
then,
let's
go
to
public..
Let's
go
to
public
comments
on
this
issue..
If
anyone
has
questions,,
please
raise
your
hand
and
then
viv,
and
we'll
call
on
you,
and
then
after
that,
we'll
take
a
quick,
5
or
10
min
break,
and
then
come
back
for
recommendations
to
to
staff.
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B
B
C
C
C
Lynn,
segal:
because.
lynn,
segal:
as
you've
discussed,
and
some
of
these
300
foot
units
oh,
we're
going
to
give
a
parking
reduction
a
high
limit
because
they
aren't
using
cars,.
But
they
are
using
cars
because
there's
no
storage.
and
these
new
houses
of
the
100
year
future
have
to
have
storage
for
multiple..
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C
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
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E
E
E
E
E
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M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Mark
mcintyre,
pb:
supporting
mark
mcintyre,
pb:,
a
fund
very
similar
to
our
inclusionary
housing
fund.
That
would
support
the
addition
of
rip
top
solar
or
e,
a
community
garden,,
solar
or
other
other
lower
income
residents,,
and
whether
that's
directly
on
there,
or
whether
it's
a
garden
or
whatever,,
and
I
don't
say.
but
anyway,.
But
it
seems
to
me
a
weak
point
in
our
whole
system
that
we.
M
M
M
M
M
M
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
the
one
thing
that
I
think
would
be
very
helpful
is
when
you
give
a
presentation
like
this,,
whether
it's
to
another
board
or
city
council,
or
doing
community
outreach.
It
is
to
give
just
a
brief
context
of
the
whole
roadmap..
And
what
is
this
piece
that
you're
talking
about
today?,
because
through
the
discussion
I
picked
up
on,
this
is
just
about
buildings.
and,
moreover,,
it's
just
about
new
buildings
or
renovated
buildings
or
additions
to
buildings.,
and
it's
not
about.
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:.
So
that's
my
answer
to
that
one,
and
I
do
want
to
weigh
in
on
again
on
this
the
equity
piece,,
because
I
think
this
is
really
something
that
you
have
already
given
a
lot
of
thought
to,,
and
I
would
like
to
encourage
even
more
thought
on
this,,
because
I
know
the
city.
something
I
learned
in
my
year
as
liaison
to
the
landmarks
board,
is
that
the
city
gives
breaks
in
the
energy
code.
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
so
that
we
don't
hollow
out
our
middle
class..
We
do
have
income
diversity,
which
leads
to
other
kind
of
diversity.,
and
so,
if
we
want
that,,
we
have
to
be
really
clear,
eyed
and
honest
with
ourselves
about
the
impact
of
these
changes,,
which
is
going
to
be
to
raise
the
price
of
construction,.
At
least
the
initial
construction.
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
you
know,,
lower
the
volume
of
affordable
housing
that
we
can
afford
to
provide
with
the
same
money.,
right?
and
so,.
What
are
the
things
that
we
can
do
for
affordable
housing
providers,,
whether
that
is
giving
them
a
break
like
we
do
for
historic
preservation,
properties,
or
if
it
is
increasing,
thinking
really
seriously
about??
What
are
the
subsidies
that
are
available?
and
do
we
need
to
increase
the
kinds
of
subsidies
or
types
of
subsidies
that
we
offer
so
that
we
are
not
negatively
impacting
our
affordable
housing?
Provision.
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N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
A
A
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
shade.,
I
don't
know
what
they
call,,
but
they
go
above
windows,
and
they
provide
some
some
immediate
shade,
and
they're
permanent.
they're,
not
they're,
not
internal,
to
the
building.
they're
external
to
the
building,.
You
know.
does
that
with
that,
prove
to
be
something
like
that
proved
to
be
cost
effective,
additional
design
requirements.
for
new
buildings.
That
would.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
H
H
H
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
A
A
G
G
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
with
that
in
mind,,
I
am
still
available
to
answer
more
questions.,
but
I
do
realize
that
it's
it's
difficult
to
discuss..
So
maybe
what
makes
sense
is,
if
anyone
on
staff
that
I'm
sorry
anyone
on
the
board
has
questions
that
they
just
reach
out
to
you
directly
off
off
out
of
the
meeting..
Does
that
make
sense?
that
would
work,
right?,
yes,
okay..
So
let's
plan
for
that.
A
A
M
H
N
N
N
N
A
N
N
G
G
I
I
Edward
stafford,,
cob:
and
so
was
it,,
because
then
the
building
is
very
large,
and
it
was
too
large
for
assign
is
that
sort
of
the
way
it
did?
That
worked
generally
turns
the
entire
building
into
the
sign..
If
it's
a
call
that
it's
associated
with
that
particular
business
and
the
seen
as
part
of
how
they
would
advertise
themselves.,
so
then
it
would
well
exceed
the
the
maximum.
all
of
that
for
signage.
A
M
M
A
A
I
H
H
H
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
I
think
that
is
staff's,
intention.
and
and
it's
to
be
clear.
It's
not
the
community
working
group
decision..
The
community
working
group
will
be
one
source
of
input
along
with
the
open
house
and
the
survey
and
the
disadvantaged
community
outreach
and
other
sources
of
input
to
staff..
It
will
be
staff
and
the
consultant
to
try
to
narrow
down
to
one
preferred
scenario.
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
I
have
been
pushing
hard
for
city
council,
needs
to
understand
all
of
the
scenarios
and
how
they
were
evaluated..
And
what
was
the
input
that
was
received
on
them?,
because
I
don't
know
how
we
narrow
down
to
one
preferred
scenario..
Given
the
very,
very
diverse
opinions
in
this
community,
and
the
very
disproportionate
engagement
of
one
stakeholder
group?.
H
A
A
H
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay?
cause
it
seems
like
pb,,
sarah
silver:.
I
think
you're
right,,
that
we'd
want
council
to
know
what
all
for
and
why
they
came.
Up.
why,.
They
chose
x,,
a,,
b,,
c,
or
d,,
so
that
they
can
actually
have
a
conversation
about
all
4..
But
we
have
to
figure
out..
If
we
have
a
role
in
in
encouraging
that.
A
A
H
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
so
the
the
2
things
I
want..
I
just
wanted
to
remind
that.
There
are
a
couple
of
things
that
we've
brought
up,
or
I've
brought
up
in
the
past
that
I
think
that
we're
waiting
on
one
is
to
understand
whether
our
meeting
notes
as
a
planning
board
will
only
focus
on
our
answers
to
the
key
questions
that
are
asked
by
staff,
or
if
the
notes
will
also
include
general
comments,,
and
I
I
know
devin
was
working
on
that
and
consulting
with
other
colleagues..
H
P
Devin
saunders,
cob:
yeah,
absolutely..
I
can
touch
on
that
a
little
bit.,
so
I
did
go
ahead,
and
I
did
go
ahead
and
have
the
meeting
with
brad
and
a
couple
of
other
folks
about
the
meeting.
Minutes.
there.
and
it's
it's
it's
a
little
bit
difficult,,
because
planning
board
does
kind
of
operate
outside
of
the
norm
when
it
comes
to
that
boards
and
commissions.
P
Devin
saunders,
cob:,
so
we're
kind
of
working
on
actually
developing
a
standard
operating
procedure
when
it
comes
to
the
many
minutes.,
but
we
will
be
in
theory
going
ahead
and
the
taking
on
when
it
comes
to
more
complex
issues
and
a
little
bit
more
detailed.
items
will,,
we
will
be
going
ahead
and
taking
a
general
kind
of
comments
as
they
go.,
but
our
main
focus
going
forward
will
continue
to
be
the
just
the
key
issues
on
that.
Part.
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
okay,
thank
you.,
that's
helpful
to
know,,
because
it
helps
us
structure
how
we
put
our
comments,
together.
and
I
think
it
also,.
It
also
does
put
a
lot
more
pressure
on
staff,
and
how
they
construct
those
questions
so
that
we
can
answer
them
and
get
the
things
that
that
planning
board
wants
to
advise
on
into
the
record.
H
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
so
thank
you
for
that.,
laura
kaplan,,
pb:
and
then
the
other
thing
is,.
I
had
asked
at
a
previous
meeting.
if
there's
any
information
that
staff
can
provide
around
the
height
limitation.
that
was
approved
by
voters
and
kind
of
what
was
the
conversation
at
that
time.
and
what
was
the
exact
ballot
language
that
voters
approved?
just
so
that
I
better
understand
what
was
the
intention
at
that
time,
around
the
height
limit.
H
P
Devin
saunders,
cob:.
I
can
touch
on
that
really
quick..
I
did
go
ahead
and
collaborate
with
brad
and
charles
on
this
a
little
bit
and
we're
hoping
to
get
you
a
a
memo
of
like
the
history
of
the
height
regulations.
By
on
for
the
twentieth,
the
meeting
on
the
twentieth
fingers
crossed.,
but
it
should.
if
not,
it'll,
be
just
be
the
meeting
after
that.,
so
should
be
coming.
Shortly.