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3-4-21 City of Boulder Planning Board

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. I see that we're recording and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, my name is carmen zuckerman and I am calling my last planning board meeting to order,. This is the planning board meeting for thursday march 4 2021 we're beginning here at 602.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and we have a.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: pretty., pb, harmon zuckerman: large number of folks who are here tonight,, for I assume the water view project. We've done a couple of things differently around this. This project, and we have in the past.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, we created a sign up sheet for people who want to speak to this project and we're also accepting signups here in real time. If you haven't gotten on the signup sheet,, you can.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: either use it now,, or how would you do that team,? Should they use a sign up, link or.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): nope, the signup link, is, is down well we'll go through the folks that have signed up first and then we'll we'll use the raise hand function after that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, great. Thank you very much and we'll we'll explain that again when the time comes,. So don't you worry, the the first order of business tonight is just to have public participation and for those of you who haven't heard this speech before public participation is for.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: matters that aren't on the public hearing agenda tonight,. So if you want to speak to any of the items that are on the public hearing agenda tonight,, which is a site review and a use review for the water view, project 51 and 5847 arapahoe avenue.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, then you'll have to wait until after those site news reviews are heard to to make your your your opinion, heard.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: on the other hand,. If you want to talk about something, that's of general interest to the planning board,, you can do that, in this first public participation matter, so to get us.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: ready to swing into public participation, I'm going to turn it over to gene data who's, our moderator for tonight and jeans going to go over the rules for our virtual hearing. Gene.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): great thanks, harmon.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. So we we are aiming to keep these meetings but respectful and orderly. And as such we have some protocol for the virtual meeting.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, any activities that disrupt delay or interfere with the meeting are prohibited and,, just as it would, as if it would be.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, if we were meeting in person, the time for speaking or asking questions, is limited either I or harming the board chair will recognize.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, the applicants or members of the public to speak and unmute you at the appropriate time,. We need anyone attend intending to address the board to please use a full name displayed on your.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): in your zoom box,. If your full name is not currently displayed, and you would like to address the board,, you can change it, or you can send it to me in the chat and I'm happy to change it for you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): video will not be allowed,, except for board staff and applicants. All others will participate by voice only.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, harmon, the board, chairs or cindy, or I will enforce these rules by meeting,. Anyone who violates the rules.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, the chat function does go to all the folks that are panelists,, but please use that for technical issues,. Only to communicate with me as the host.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, it's we really can't have side conversations or questions about the topics at hand being discussed within the chat. If that starts to happen,, I will turn that off.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and only staff and board members will be allowed to share their screens so as harmon mentioned.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, we have a lot of folks here tonight to speak to the public hearing. We will have the open comment, first,, which is three minutes each for topics that are not.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, though the water be project that is for the public hearing. When we get to that. When we get to the water view public hearing, it will be two minutes. Each will go through the list of folks that have signed up ahead.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and then, after that, we'll use the raise hand.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): function. So for the open comment will use the raise hand function, you can find that at probably at the bottom of your screen. That just says raise hand if it's not there,, it may be in your participants. Box,. You can open that participants box. Sometimes the raise hand is at that function.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, and if you are on the phone,, you can use star nine. To raise your hand if you can't find any of those things you can send me your name in the chat to. Let me know that you would like to speak under the general open comment.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): cindy did I miss anything.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, I think, just the only thing is for tonight.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: we've had such a large number of people commenting via email, and so forth, that we'd like to make sure that people not only put their full name up on zoom for making public comment,, but also that they tell us their name and address on the record as they begin their.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: their testimony okay.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,, so.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. If anyone would like to address the board for open comment, now is the time to use that raise hand function.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, I'm seeing no I'm seeing no hands for open comment. Oh wait! There's one.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, there's ryan bionic.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): brian, you may unmute and have three minutes.

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Ryan bonick:, I can everyone hear me.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): yes,, we can.

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Ryan bonick: awesome. My name is ryan bostic. I live at 3120, pearl parkway.

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Ryan bonick:- I'm not really one for public speaking,, but I care a lot about this, housing and the positive impact that will have sorry. This is for with regards to the water view, apartments.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, ryan, that we're going to open the public hearing for that in a little bit.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, if you could hold your comments, that would be great and we'll get you signed up for that. Time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay, and I see len siegel with a hand up and then peter all, very so then,. If you would like to address the board.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): on the on general topics,, you may unmute.

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Lynn segal:: please stop the subsidies.

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Lynn, segal: east boulder is being overdeveloped without the infrastructure necessary and we can't pay for our libraries, as it is,. We need rec centers libraries,, please fire all that stuff.

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Lynn, segal: ahead of time.

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lynn segal:, not after the fact that isn't how it works.

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Lynn, segal:, especially in a disastrous economic global situation like we have now.

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Lynn, segal: stop already stop with the subsidies.

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Lynn, segal: folder cannot grow their way out of this problem.

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Lynn, segal:, it's not going to happen.

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Lynn segal: face up because otherwise it's going to come back on you and you're, going to find out the hard way.

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Lynn segal:: this is not responsible way to grow.

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Lynn, segal: and if more people need to be in the society,, then they need to move and start their own communities.

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Lynn, segal:, but if you just keep on letting the community that exists, get bigger and bigger, you get new york city and guess what new york's doing right! Now.

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Lynn, segal: caving.

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Lynn segal: the virus is starting all over again in new york, city.

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Lynn segal:, because it's too big and it's too close and people can't learn on their own. Like I'm trying to impress on you and I'm so sorry that I have to come here and say this each time that you have a planning board meeting.

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Lynn segal:, but nothing ever changes., lynn, segal: and I'm not going to go down without at least having tried.

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Lynn, segal: other communities can develop the way they want to,. They want to be big, huge communities or they want to spread out somewhere.

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Lynn, segal: great boulder doesn't need to spread out anymore,. We don't have the infrastructure to do it as it is so. Let's roll responsibly hold to the 55 foot, moratorium.

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Lynn, segal: and balance, jobs, housing.

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Lynn, segal: and don't worry about saving the world.

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Lynn, segal: everybody has to save the world themselves in all these little outline communities that learned from boulder.

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Lynn, segal:, but the way it is now boulders just expanding irresponsibly and it's not a community to learn. From.

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Lynn, segal: done.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, lynn, ok,. I see peter all. The various has their hand up peter. You may speak and else you are,, you may unmute yourself, now.

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Peter olivares: there you go. Thank you good, I'm good evening,. Can you guys hear me.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, we can.

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Peter olivares: great hi, good evening,, my name is peter. I'm a master's student in the environmental policy program at cu boulder I'm at one at south 31st street and south folder.

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Peter olivares:- and I just wanted to say when considering new developments, that I think it's smart to and I'm not fully versed on the planning process,. But I think it would be smart to consider.

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Peter olivares: future climate risks when accounting for these new developments,, you know we'll be able to get. You know the water for that almost at a cheap price will they be on land. That's either.,.

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Peter olivares:, you know reclaimed or to dry to support any other type of activity or things like that,. So I just wanted to make the planning board aware. That.

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Peter olivares: pursuing future sustainability efforts and accounting for climate risks in the planning process would be helpful for the future, you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thank you,, peter.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, and then I see ben holland.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, then you may unmute yourself.

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Ben holland: great thank you,. My name is ben holland. I'm a boulder resident. I've worked at the environmental.

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Ben holland: law institute or are my for about 10 years- I'm excited about this, because it is very much in keeping with the views and priorities are my urban transformation team,. This is a team that I.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: work on ben ben.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: ben hey, are you talking about the water view, project, then.

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Ben holland: yeah sorry, I'm jumping ahead.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah you're supposed yep er, but um we're gonna hope open public comment for that. After we've had the presentation, so.

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Ben holland: stick around if you want.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thank you, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay harmon. I see no other hands for open common.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, great: let's move on to dispositions planning board call ups and continuations third item on the agenda and we have three call up items: tonight.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the first one is final plat for the saddle, creek subdivision, located at 1996 arapahoe avenue for two lots of division. Sofia do with three development of the property that was approved as a site review in 2019. This approval is subject to a potential call up honor before march 5 2021.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: we're going to do two things. First, one is we're just going to see if any planning board member has any disclosures that they need to make a recusals that they need to do, and then we're going to have a small.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: small, quick description of what this call ups about by staff. So, as I see john hand up for disclosures.

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Pb, john gerstle:, now to disclose.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. Can you say that again john, it was breaking up.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay, I should I should have waited to raise my hand. I have nothing to disclose right. Now.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: do any other planning board members or does any planning board member,. I should say, have anything to disclose or need to recuse okay,. I think,. Besides the fact that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, most of us already.

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pb harmon zuckerman:, were part of the planning board. When we approve this site review,, I don't have anything to disclose, so I'm going to turn it over to a lane mcloughlin who is in charge of this project case planner elaine. If you want to give a little.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: brief description of what this is about.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: sure happy to thanks everybody.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:. This is the final plan and subdivision agreement. That's associated with the subdivision for the redevelopment of a project that was approved a couple years ago, in.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, it includes 46 attached units, 19 of richard plan is permanently affordable and that's on the 90 arapahoe site, 96 or apo, just as a refresher as.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, the sep tember school,, which is a nonprofit high school,, so this.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: annexation also included land marking and actively using the motel buildings out on the site, and so,. Since this it was approved, the tech docs have been under review and they were recently approved, and so that's the current status, I'm happy to answer any questions.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: anybody have any questions for gene john.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah,. I just wanted to ask if, if what is the status of the project now, if it's consistent with what was approved, when we dealt with it previously or if there's been any significant changes.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: there have been no significant changes. Nope.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. Sorry john, could you repeat that you're breaking up again.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I'm sorry,. I just wanted to say thank you.

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pb harmon zuckerman:, that that was my question. Oh great, okay, okay, so is there any interest in calling this project up.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: all right,. Let's move on to the second call up item, which is a form based code, amendment to a previously approved project case number or 2019 triple a 28.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: for buildings, 383 be 3d and 3d, along with building for an proposal, includes revised architecture, with the addition of 10 dwelling units at pro parkway. This approval is subject to potential call up on or before march 5 2021,. Are there any members of the planning board, who have a.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: disclosure, recusal sarah.

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Pb sarah silver:, I don't have a disclosure,, but I do have some questions.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay, that'll, be in a second any disclosures recusals.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, then I'm going to give it over to the lane to give a brief description of. What's going on with this call up vitamin,, then we can take questions.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, you bet so,, so this is a form based code amendment and it's at 30 pearl. As some of you recall, 30, pearl is.,.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: site at 30th and pearl street and includes mix of uses.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, it was approved in two separate phases, for a total of 294 residential units of which 120 are permanently affordable. In this particular case, it's several buildings,, essentially in the.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: northeast quadrant and,, unlike site review, for base codes, not discretionary,. In other words, the application has to meet prescriptive design. Considerations from things like build, two zones to building length.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: entrance locations vertical horizontal facade, divisions.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: a number of different types of design considerations such as window openings and transparency,. So if the requirements aren't met.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: the applicant has to demonstrate the rationale for any exceptions in this case. There's five exceptions that are requested that essentially have to do with an existing tesco, easement, there's the.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: power line in this location, it overlaps and availability zone along goose creek. This says it was when the buildings were originally approved and so there's.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: some exceptions we requested in that regard, build to corner, a type. A frontage build to zoned and translocation is blank all segments, and where the transformers located.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, so I'm happy to entertain any questions.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah so before before we get into that. What was the the noticing that was provided for this matter.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: um notice is provided to within 600 feet for all residents in the area,, including apartments. That's part of the form base code, requirements.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, that includes tennis matches property, owners.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman:; okay, sorry, your question.

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Pb sarah silver: um thanks, I'm elaine, so my.

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pb sarah silver:. My question is a little bit of actually about the transition that change over from the townhomes into flats, and I realized that you described the.

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Pb sarah silver: external form based code changes that that seems to be the primary focus,, but I didn't understand quite a fair work in interior form based code requirements as well,, because it means we have no. The townhome idea is sort of disappearing from this. Development.-.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, that's correct,, so there are no standards related to the interior.

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Pb sarah silver:, and so there were no. There were no particular modifications that were allowed as a result of the particular type of housing dwelling units that were approved, other than the other than the permanently affordable.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: yeah, that's correct. It was just the permanently affordable that were may go through out 30 pearl and are getting built out throughout 30 pro.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, all right. Thank you! So much.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: any other questions for sap.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: any interesting calling this. pb, john gerstle: matter, yes,. I have a question.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, oh john, go ahead.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah also following up on what's happening. Internally,, I see that the the proposal for having a co living arrangement or cooperative living arrangement seems to have been eliminated is, is that the cage.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, that's correct, it's it's apartments and again use and interiors aren't.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: overseen by form based code.

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Pb, john gerstle:, but the so those the planning board have any role in approving those changes.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: its it would have to be based on the very prescriptive form based code requirements, which are essentially form,, based as it implies, design elements and such.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin:, it's again, it's almost like sub, don't have to determine if it meets the criteria or not.

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Pb, john gerstle:, okay. Well, I'm I'm a bit.

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Pb, john gerstle: disappointed.

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pb, john gerstle:, about because I am concerned, the chart to loss of the townhomes and of the cooperative living arrangements.

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Pb, john gerstle:, but if, if if we have no control over that,, then I suppose there's no point pulling it up.

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Pb, john gerstle: so.

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Pb sarah silver:, but I suppose, when the next form based code concept comes up,, we could discuss whether this is something to.

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Pb sarah silver: touch on the interior.

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Pb sarah silver: because,, because the type of dwelling units that are built actually matter as much as you know what kind of design the building is. I personally think.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, I'm elaine. Could I give a little information on that.

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Cob, elaine mclaughlin: third right in.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, um thank you, john for your question, for those of you on the call and current our director of health and human services so before we call them 30 pearl there was.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, a couple of parcels that were market market rate housing,, and so we put those.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: those parcels of for sale in with an intent or rating according to sort of what they were going to deliver, and for that particular.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: piece, john, we were asking or preferring some sort of cut cohousing type developments.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, we did get.

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cob kurt firnhaber: one goal for a co housing type. Development.-.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: however,, the the proposal in this was last summer,. When we got those proposals they would, it was in the midst of code.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: and, at a point in coven, where we didn't really know where the market was going and the applicants didn't hear the people who are are trying to purchase it. Didn't really either.

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Cob, kurt firnhaber:, and so there wasn't.

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cob kurt firnhaber:. It wasn't as competitive of a proposal and it was. There was uncertainty, whether they would be able to accomplish the the cohousing on that site.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, we would have also hoped for that outcome and that's what we work. Towards.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, but it through the process. It didn't end up that way.

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Pb,, john gerstle:, so if I can just inquire, what does this imply for how things go in the future,? Are you changing your attitude.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, I'm sorry,. Can you repeat that john.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I'm since I'm just asking how you intend to proceed with these decisions in the future.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, you mean if we had a similar type project, or.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah, I mean whether you're continue to be in touch.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, hey john.,.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: john seems like most of the time you're you're you're, coming in your your voice and stuff is coming in flowing garbled.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:- I don't know if maybe you can change your internet connection or log out and log back in.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, they're, tricking.

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You want to get this.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, if you turn off. pb harmon, zuckerman: your values and do that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: go to john and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, maybe you don't do audio.

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Pb, peter vitale:, I may disappear for a minute.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: after and but again.

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Pb, john gerstle:, you may be okay.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I hope this is,. I hope this is better now.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah. I was asking whether there's been a change in attitude.

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Pb, john gerstle:, regarding cohousing.

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Pb, john gerstle:, on upcoming projects.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, not at all. cob, kurt firnhaber: yeah. We would fully support co housing on similar projects in the future. As well, we also.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: would prefer to get some ownership units as well.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, the co housing that was proposed was actually, if I recall, it was, it was a. It was a rental approach to co. Housing.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, but yes,. We are certainly hoping that we can get future co housing projects on future developments.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. We have any more questions.

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pb, harmon, zuckerman: or desire to call this up.

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pb harmon zuckerman:. You can and we're going to move on to the third call up item, which is a final plan to subdivide the property at 4475 broadway.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: into one lot suitable for residential development and one lot in association with the ponderosa community stabilization program, ponderosa, habitat subdivision, final flat, tech.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: quadruple 06 subdivision is consistent with approved site review, number.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: triple zero 15 and the memorandum of understanding in lieu of annexation for kids number oh,. You are 2019 triple of 16. This application is subject to potential call up order before march 4 2021. The preliminary plan was approved through case number,. You are 2020. Quadruple is six.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, going to turn it over to charles. I think it's slow going to handle giving a preamble for this before we ask questions.

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Cob,, charles ferro: yeah, thanks long can summarize this one quickly.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: great thanks.

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Cob sloane walbert:, I'm good.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: before you go, is there anyone who needs to to recuse or make any kind of disclosures for this matter? Okay, go ahead.

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Cob sloane walbert: ok,, so the intent of this item is basically to subdivide the site to eliminate the existing personal lines, create an outlet for the portion of the site that extends to broadway and dedicate necessary easements.

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Cob sloane walbert: required to serve the development, and I would just note that this development was phased and the first phase that's been completed. All the necessary utilities have been constructed as well as street improvements on 10th century avenue, so they're just moving forward to the next phase.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, great thanks for the explanation. Any questions for phone.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: for kurt. I know this is a big piece for the housing department. To.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, seeing none, assuming,. No one wants to call it up,, but I'll ask: does anyone want to call it up? Okay, all right, we're all done with call ups,. We haven't called up any of the items.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and now we're going to move into our public hearing item for the night.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman: and I'll read the agenda title,. This is public hearing and planning board consideration of the following items related to the 14.8 acre site at 5801 and 5847 arapahoe avenue.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: one a site review application to develop the site with 317 residential units and approximately 15,000 square feet of ground floor commercial space for office, retail and residential uses..

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the proposal includes constructing 10. Building, surrounded surrounding aloof drive with one access from arapahoe avenue. 421 parking spaces are proposed for 439 spaces are required, a 4.1% parking reduction.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the development includes 25% permanently affordable housing,. The proposal requires review by planning board for the request for an increase in maximum allowable building height for three buildings is case. Number.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: triple zero 21. Second public hearing item under this agenda. Title is a use review application to allow for the following uses as part of the redevelopment of the site. Insight.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that I just described residential uses within the I g zoning district, professional, technical or other offices within the h4 zoning district.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: convenience retail within the rh for zoning district at a restaurant brew, pub or tavern within the rh for zoning district with 140 450 outs or seeds, case number or 2019 at triple zero 22.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: first order of business under this hearing item is to check in with my planning board colleagues around disclosures and possible recusals, and for this project, I am going to go person by person calling them finding board members. So john.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I have been walking around the area several times and otherwise no nothing to mention.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay, and david should unmute myself again.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: no,. You sounded almost good that time: you're fine.

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pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: david, oh yes,. I have done, numerous.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: bypasses past the property,, where I look to toured around also with the amount of listening,. This is gotten. I have seen some articles coming out in the paper and have tried not to.

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Pb, david ensign -- he/him/his: not to be done,, but I will say that I've noticed that there has been and I've had two individuals in the community approached me.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, and, hopefully,. I can report that they both brought their concerns to the entire board,. So I don't have to worry about that,, so I should should be fine with being.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, fair on this matter.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. So when you say you should be fine and unfair, you mean that you can objectively review this project.

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pb harmon zuckerman: era before welcome sarah.

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Pb sarah silver:- I also certainly during coven, walk past that site a lot and also like david notice. The significant amount of public.

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Pb sarah silver: listening publicity around this site in the newspaper and.

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Pb sarah silver: also tried to.

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Pb sarah silver: not.

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pb, sarah silver: yeah, so I I read the articles and sort of left it at that and I believe I can make objective. What's the other language,, I have to use harmon.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. I guess you could say criteria based decision.

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Pb sarah silver:, I will make criteria based decision just I will.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: good lisa.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: and nothing to disclose on the main.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: go ahead. Hello.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, can I ask sarah one more question., hella pannewig assistant city attorney: there,, to make the decision just based on the information provided for the.

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Pb sarah silver: fans and the answer to that is yes,. I I have my six page criteria. Questions right in front of me, so yes.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thanks hello, peter.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: nothing to disclose I'm fine.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, thank you, peter.

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Pb, peter vitale: I think, to discuss.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. I have a few things to disclose. I first of all, yes,. I was on planning board in 2017 when this project first came forward for concept review and inside seen it already. Second, is I've seen publicity around this from the newspaper,, though I haven't read the articles.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. The third is that, like many other projects that have been in front of planning board over the last couple of years. Since I took on the work as the attorney for the project proponent for a project and gilpin county.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. I share the relationship with that project, proponent of being employed by that project. Proponent.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, with coburn and with jb jb, a who's, the architect, and the engineer,, in other words, gva and coburn, are both working for the applicant me gilpin county project,. I am the applicants attorney.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that said,, I don't have any contractual or retuning area or any other kind of relationship with either gva.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: or with. pb, harmon zuckerman: or with coburn.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: and we've analyzed this a lot of times and I think hell is probably going to ask me the same question. She asked me a lot of times, about.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that relationship or lack thereof, and then, finally,. One of the project proponents here is william shuttin, who teaches in the masters of the environment programme, I'm an instructor in the masters of the environment, programme.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: to the extent that.

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pb harmon zuckerman:. That has anything to do with my well. I don't think it has anything to do with my ability to be objective in reviewing this application.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and I've been successful in keeping william from talking to me about this project for the last two years,. So I have had no conversations with him about what our viewers to disclose so hello,. If you want to let the grilling begin.

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Pb, john gerstle: I'm. pb, john gerstle: harmon. If I can just mentioned. pb, john gerstle: yeah, I forgot to mention. I have spoken with people that various times about this project,, but I feel that I can be objective and unfair and my assessment of them.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, thank you., pb, harmon, zuckerman: and harmony might need to being grilled by hella to.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, having can you be fair and impartial and making a decision on this application today.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yes,, I can.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:- that was an easy grilling. Do you need to grill john to,, or is it fine.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, I think he well.

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hella pannewig assistant city, attorney:, john., hella pannewig assistant city attorney:. Will you be able to base the decision on the evidence provided for this hearing today and not your comments,? Would you learn during the conversation outside of their hearing.

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Pb, john gerstle: yes.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thank you,. Thank you, john, and thank you hello, and thanks to the board.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: so,, now that we've gotten through our disclosures and I've, read the agenda titles I'm going to turn it over to our development review manager, the esteem charles taro and charles. If you would take us into the presentation for this,, it would be wonderful. They can.

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Cob, charles ferro: be to you, good evening chair members of the board, thanks for having us this evening, so.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, before each tonight we have a fairly complex proposal and as harmon mentioned, it's been in conceptual development for quite some time last before the board in 2017.

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Cob, charles ferro: so, consequently,, both staff and the applicant have requested a bit longer periods of time for our presentations.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, so that we can be as thorough as possible,, particularly for the benefit of the viewing public. This evening.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, so we appreciate you giving us a bit of extra time to do that this evening. I'd also like to note that we have a number of members from our staff team here tonight to answer specific questions.

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Cob, charles ferro: kristin shepherd is with us to respond to flood related questions and word stafford from our public works. Engineering team is also here to respond to flood and transportation related questions.

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Cob, charles ferro:, as well as current heber, to respond to any questions related to affordable housing. So with that said, I'm pleased to turn it over to sloan walbert she's, going to take you through stats analysis, tonight.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: from before you get going,. How? How much time has do you expect to need, and how much time is the applicant requested over the typical 15 minutes.

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Cob sloane walbert: and the applicants aiming for 15 minutes, I'm probably be more like 20. If that's okay, or I can cut back,. If you prefer.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, no I'll I'll, say this: okay and I'll make that decision of the board,. Unless they feel like voting me down,, you can have your.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and then I'll just remind the applicant that after their presentation and we've heard public comment,, we reserve three minutes. For.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: for rebuttal purposes, only not for any kind of continuation of the applicants presentation,, but if anything came up that they want to correct or they can do that, after public comment, so go ahead. Take your time.

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Cob sloane walbert: okay,. Let me go ahead and share.

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Cob sloane walbert: my notes.

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cob sloane walbert:. Can everyone see that okay.

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Cob sloane walbert:, alright awesome well thanks for the introduction so for the agenda tonight is a mixed use: development at 5801 and 5847 arapahoe avenue.

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Cob sloane walbert: I'm going to attempt to give sort of a high level overview of the proposal and the staff memo. But, as charles mentioned, I'm happy to answer any more detailed questions that you may have.

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Cob sloane walbert: um so just to start,. Why are we here so site review is required, based on the area of the site and prior approvals.

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Cob sloane walbert: and a concept plan was reviewed by the planning board on august 17 of 2017.

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Cob sloane walbert:. There is a number of modifications requested through the site review,, including a building height modification for buildings, one,, two and 10. So in the number of stories for building 10.

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Cob sloane walbert:, a front yard setback, reduction for the restaurant patio and a 4.1% parking reduction for the development and there's also a number of uses that require use review. As you described in the title and planning board.

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Cob sloane walbert: decision on a public hearing is required for the item, based on the height modification request.

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Cob sloane walbert:, so as part of the public process, written notice was sent and notice was posted on the property in response to the public notice. There was a large number of comments. Received.

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Cob sloane walbert:, primarily from resonance of old tale road, but from others in the community as well.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the large nearly 15 acre property is located in east boulder on the north side of east arapahoe avenue west of cherry vale. The site is comprised of two separate properties.

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Cob sloane walbert: and is founded by the burlington northern santa fe railway to the north and south boulder creek runs through the site.

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Cob sloane walbert: just to give some background. The site is vacant and has been for some time,. The property was annexed to the city in 1982 and was owned industrial as part of annexation. The eastern property was part of the boulder auto park pod approved in 1985.

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Cob sloane walbert: in 2001, the personal, was changed to the high density, residential and light industrial land use. Designations.

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Cob sloane walbert:, and that was approved, based on a request by the owner to redevelop the property into a mix of light. Industrial and residential uses..

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Cob sloane walbert: and heights up to 55 feet that was generally referred to as the water view center. That site review was approved,, but has since expired, there was a number of subsequent concept. Plans.

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Cob sloane walbert: with a similar use our types of uses proposed, but those were not pursued and, as I mentioned, the most recent being and 2017 the concepts plan review related to the site, review.

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Cob sloane walbert:, and I would just note to as charles said, a lot of work has been done since that time and refining the proposal and the plans.

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Cob sloane walbert:, so the site is designated as light industrial and open space on only on use map of the comprehensive plan.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the south boulder creek quarter, is protected by public easements over the multi use path,, including an open space and mountain parks, scenic easement over portions and these areas are designated as open space development, rights.

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Cob sloane walbert:, and I would just note to that. The addition of residential development and industrial zones was originally permitted as a result of the jobs population project completed in 2003.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and residential development is permitted,, an industrial zones,, mostly located on the edges of the city like this one.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and terms of zoning. The property is switzerland, with the majority of the site located within the id district,, but with that southeast corner within the rh for his own district that are h4 zoning.

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Cob sloane walbert: is a remnant of the land use as a nation change that I described in 2001 2002.

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Cob sloane walbert: and in terms of adopted plans,, the east arapaho transportation plan was adopted in 2018,, which is a long range plan for a number of potential transportation improvements along the east arapahoe quarter, including,, most notably bus, rapid transit.

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Cob sloane walbert:. The next phases in the plan include finalizing the corridor design and completing some of the shorter term localized improvements along the quarter.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the property is also located within the boundaries of the east builder sub community plan,, which is currently undergoing an area planning process.

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Cob sloane walbert:, as you can see in this graphic it's currently in the concept development phase of work so as it relates to this project, it's just important to note that we're still fairly early in the planning process on that plan.

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Cob sloane walbert:, as I described, I'm south boulder creek, runs north, south through the sites there's also a pond located on the north west corner of the site,. The property is impacted by the south, boulder creek floodplains,, including the 500 year 100 year, conveyance own and high hazard zones.

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Cob sloane walbert: and the city in cooperation with the prior and current owner, has been working to receive fema approval to optimize the conveyance own on the site.

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Cob sloane walbert: and a letter of map revision has received technical approval by fema and has been formally issued,, so these plans reflect the new flood boundaries.

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Cob sloane walbert: and some early, the area surrounding the creek and pond are considered high functioning wetlands, both inner and outer buffer impact. The sites and development has been located outside of those but first.

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Cob sloane walbert: just to provide some further context. The east boulder area is one of the city's primary employment centers with ball aerospace and boulder foothills community hospital located to the west.

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Cob sloane walbert:, there's two large car dealerships located to the east across the creek and floods. Golf course is located just across arapahoe avenue to the southwest and the recently completed boulder gcc development is located in the vicinity across from cherry vale.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the boulder county recycling facility and the flutter ins industrial park are located, to the north across the railroad tracks and the old tale neighborhood is located directly to the south,, which consists of low density, single family. Development.,.

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Cob sloane walbert: so,, moving on to the proposal, 317 residential units are proposed,. The unit mix proposed is 182 efficiency, living units.

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Cob sloane walbert: those are defined as dwelling units that contain a bathroom in the kitchen, but do not exceed a floor area of 475 square feet so commonly known as studios 91. One bedroom units 22, two bedroom apartment units and 22, three bedroom, townhome units.

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Cob sloane walbert: ad units are proposed to be permanently affordable. There's also a community center proposed to serve the development..

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Cob sloane walbert:, as was described earlier, a restaurant brew, pub or tavern, is proposed in building one. That's approximately 4500 square feet in area.

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Cob sloane walbert:, there's also.

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cob sloane walbert: round for round floor office in retail space totaling approximately 10,000 square feet.

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Cob sloane walbert:. The plan includes 421 vehicular parking spaces, that's provided a surface parking both in lots and along the streets, structured parking within a central parking garage and then individual garage parking for the townhomes.

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Cob sloane walbert:, a majority of the spaces about 75% of them, are located within that structured parking garage and,, as you described, 4.1% parking reductions requested in terms of bike parking,. The proposal does provide the required 449 long term secure park by parking spaces.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and 169 short term spaces are proposed across the site.

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Cob sloane walbert:, moving on to the site plan,, the project is situated predominantly in the central area of the site outside of those floodplain and wetland buffers.

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Cob sloane walbert: the design centered around a four story; parking structure that is wrapped in residential units. There's one access point from arapahoe avenue.

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Cob sloane walbert: and the loop access drive is designed as a complete street with detached sidewalks tree lawns and parallel parking, that's similar to what we would see in the transit village.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the mixed use buildings are located on the southeast corner of the site within the rh districts. There's two surface parking lots proposed there there's a two story: community building just located just north of those.

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Cob sloane walbert:, there's four three storey apartment buildings located on the south and west ends of the site. One of those is directly addressing arapahoe avenue. There's also two three storey townhome buildings with private garages proposed on the north end of the sites.

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Cob sloane walbert: and we can move on.

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Cob sloane walbert:, my powerpoint, has locked up.

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Cob sloane walbert:, sorry about that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, probably a pretty big heavy powerpoint.

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cob sloane walbert:, it's restarting.

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Cob sloane walbert:. I can continue and just be nice to have some graphics.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: just think,. If this didn't happen,, you would never have gotten to see how wonderfully organized your files are.

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Cob sloane walbert:! Oh sorry, if you.

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Cindy spence:, if it doesn't open for you slow and I can see if I can present it for you or something.

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Cob sloane walbert: yeah, it's working on it., cob, sloane, walbert: okay,. I just isn't letting me share now for some reason.

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Cob sloane walbert:, I might have to.

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Cob sloane walbert: leave and come back.

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Cob sloane walbert:. I think I'm gonna have to leave the come right back. Sorry about that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay, good.

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Pb sarah silver: to have some of that really bad recorded waiting. Music, do you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: need the recording sarah. You can just keep going.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, just as an information item I was,, I was hoping that I had the settings to where folks could see how many people were in the meeting,, and I know some folks like to know that,. So we have 113 folks attending as attendees here tonight,. So quite a full house.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and that's in addition to all of the the applicant and staff and planning board members up here.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, that's correct.,.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: so,, given that we probably I know that we were thinking if it was more than 30 or 40 people. We probably stick with that two minutes: right, harmon.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, so we can probably say that now, just so people know it will be two minutes.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. We also we we wanted to give folks the the two minute limitation when they were preparing their comments so on the signup sheet and on the website. It already has informed everyone that it's two minutes per person for public comment.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. What other interesting facts, you have for us gene,. While we wait for sloan to return.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, I wish I had the other ones.

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Cindy spence: doe she's texting me to it. I'm like I don't see you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. Ok, so maybe we have to let her in as as a host.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:. I can offer that and maybe we already knew this, but I was at landmarks last night, and I was in the main branch, the library briefly today and carnegie library is again taking historical inquiries by email.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, so they are stuffing backup. So I can't I couldn't remember what specific things we talked about wanting to ask them, but I remember the that comes up from time to time. So sounds like they're more able to be in the library and to do research by request.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, I can see her,, I went up.

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pb, lisa c. smith: do yep you can toggle between panelists and attendees, and I toggle to attendees and I searched sloan.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: yeah and I found co, be slow mo albert.

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Cindy spence:, oh there,, she is so odd. She I just promoted her gene.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, great.

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Cob sloane walbert:, that was fun great.

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Cob sloane walbert:, okay., cob, sloane walbert:, assuming you all can see this I'm.

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Cob sloane walbert: talking about the site plan, the design is organized to accommodate a street connection to the west if that's desired in the future. That was something mentioned: a concept plan, the existing pond and wooded area. Our proposed to remain on the north portion of the site.

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Cob sloane walbert: there's a three quarter: movement access point on arapahoe.

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Cob sloane walbert: and the applicants also proposing a? U turn lane and a deceleration lane to accommodate to the expected traffic on arapahoe.

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Cob sloane walbert: in addition, and a missing link of the multi use path along arapahoe would be constructed as well as an enhanced transit stop.

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Cob sloane walbert: in terms of open space,, the proposal includes privates, both patios and decks and shared active areas,. The stars on this plan are indicating the common gathering spaces proposed.

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Cob sloane walbert:, which includes a community building, there's an amenity room, picnic, amenity areas, community gardens, there's a bike wash and a dog run proposed.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the buildings are three stories and height,, except for that central parking structure in the center of the sites, which has four stories and the community building,, which is cheese, stories.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the structure with the largest print print is located in the center of the site. And,, as I described as wrapped, is in residential units,. The building design is contemporary with flat roofs and simple forms.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the design is intended to be a mix of agrarian and industrial design elements. Buildings are oriented toward the streets and there's pedestrian scale, architectural features and materials utilized at the pedestrian level.

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Cob sloane walbert: proposed building materials include corrugated metal panels, lap citing board in baton, citing pre finished metal panels, brick smart board and different different colors and storefront windows at the ground. Level.

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Cob sloane walbert: stuff identified it for key issues for discussion,, which I will just run through quickly.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the first being consistency with the site review criteria. Staff finds that the proposed project meets all applicable site review, criteria.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the last major update to the comprehensive plan specifically addressed builders, jobs, housing imbalance and among the land, use related policy changes for that were to aim to.

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Cob sloane walbert: to allow for additional housing and commercial and industrial areas and considering the proximity to office parks and major employers. That development would contribute to a 15 minute mixed use neighborhood and also supports a compact development pattern in in the city.

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Cob sloane walbert:, as I mentioned, ad units, are proposed to be permanently affordable.

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Cob sloane walbert:. The proposal includes a mixture of housing sizes and types which contribute to a diverse housing, stock.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the site, design and improvements as part of the proposal would encourage walking, biking or other alternatives to the single occupancy vehicle.

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Cob sloane walbert: there's also frequent pedestrian connections proposed, which would connect to the existing multimodal network,. The proposed parking structure does make efficient use of the land and reduces the visual impacts of parking.

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Cob sloane walbert: the developments designed to take advantage of that bus, rapid transit planned as part of the east arapahoe corridor.

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Cob sloane walbert:, and I would just note that the character of east arapahoe is eclectic. The site is unique and that major barriers exists to the north,, with the railroad to the east, south boulder creek into the south. With that state, highway arapahoe.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and and that said, the project represents an infill development that is compatible with the surrounding industrial uses..

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Cob sloane walbert: it's also sensitive and that natural areas are protective and.

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Cob sloane walbert: design solutions are proposed, the to reduce the perception of the massive scale of the buildings.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and so, moving on to the height modifications,, as I described, the applicant is requesting height modification to.

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Cob sloane walbert: that 35 foot height limit for these two mixed use, buildings and orange for districts that proposed building height is approximately 43 feet.

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Cob sloane walbert: and that height modification is essentially necessary to provide a larger florida ceiling height for the commercial use and it's at the ground. Floor.

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Cob sloane walbert: so,, so a height modification requested to the 40 foot height limit for that central parking structure in the id districts, to allow height, of.

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Cob sloane walbert:, 54.4 feet.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and the applicant is eligible for a height modification, because they have demonstrated that at least 40% of the floor area of these buildings.

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Cob sloane walbert: is used for units that meet the requirements for permanently affordable units and the intent of this allowance was to encourage the provision of providing affordable housing on site.

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Cob sloane walbert: and then granting that exemption city council did acknowledge that.

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Cob sloane walbert: heights, greater than 35 feet or 40 feet in this case would be appropriate, through the site review, process.

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Cob sloane, walbert: so stuff finds considering the objectives achieves and granting the height modification the height of the buildings in general proportion to the heights of existing and propose buildings in the facility.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the majority of the structures are proposed as human scale. Three story, structures.

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Cob sloane walbert: and the proposed sighting of that for story structure reduces impacts to neighboring properties.

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Cob sloane walbert: moving on,. The proposal is consistent with the use review. Criteria, the development meets the standards for residential development in industrial zoning districts.

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Cob sloane walbert:, with a minimum of 40% of the required usable open space configured as a common contiguous area to provide active and passive open space for the residents,. The project site was also found to be an appropriate location for residential development..

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Cob sloane walbert: an environmental assessment that was.

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Cob sloane walbert:, given states that they use would not be affected by any adverse health or safety impacts, and I would just note as well that the applicant would be required to utilize construction methods. That.

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Cob sloane walbert: limit the noise levels within the unit's themselves.

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Cob sloane walbert: and the intent of the mix of uses is really to allow walkability within the neighborhood and contribute to that pet pedestrian, oriented 15 minute neighborhood and.

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Cob sloane walbert:, the convenience, retail use and the restaurant brew pub tavern, whatever ends up being, would provide a direct service or convenience to the development and the neighborhood at large..

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Cob sloane walbert:, including employees of the industrial uses the area, does have very limited local services,. The closest services retail restaurant uses are located approximately half mile to the west.

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Cob sloane walbert:, and I would also just note that the mixed use development fosters a number of comprehensive plan policies,, as I described earlier.

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Cob sloane walbert: and, in particular,, allowing for residential uses an industrial zones.

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Cob sloane, walbert: and lastly, staff finds that the proposal meets the criteria for our 4.1% perking reduction.

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Cob sloane walbert:, based on transportation, demand management, strategies,, the site context and enhanced transit and multi modal access and parking would be shared between the commercial and residential uses on the site.

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Cob sloane walbert:, so the proposal does include a robust, robust, tdnn plan. Eco passes would be provided for residents through the neighborhood eco pass program.

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Cob sloane walbert: and for employees, through the employees of the commercial uses through the business eco pass program. The site is very well connected to the larger multimodal network.

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Cob sloane walbert:, as I mentioned, also,, that transit stop on arapahoe would be improved and would be designed to capitalize on future brt access along arapahoe.

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Cob sloane walbert: steps console so proposing a bike share program with 20 standard bikes and 10. He bikes there are a bike charging stations proposed for privately owned. The bikes there's also a bike wash station storage is proposed for skateboards and electric scooters, as well.

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Cob sloane walbert: so,, based on this analysis, planning stuff, finds that the applicant meets the site, review criteria and use review criteria. Therefore, staff recommends planning board approval, with the motion shown on the screen and subject to the conditions that were listed in the staff memo.

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Cob sloane walbert: and we're happy to answer any questions.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thanks a lot appreciate: you.

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pb, harmon zuckerman:, bearing with getting through to the end of that for us now for planning board members,. If you can.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: hold questions that might really be better asked of the applicant for after the applicant presentation and try to focus questions to the staff members who are here on things related to the steps. Analysis be great and I will open it up to the planning board members questions.

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pb harmon zuckerman:, I will start with david and then john and sarah.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: great, thank you and thanks for a great presentation, islam.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I just wanted to check with the.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: eastern arapaho transportation plan,, since the quarter design is not complete.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: do we feel we're maximizing our opportunity to make sure that the amount of space for sidewalk and multi use along that this,? You know that the opportunity is taken advantage. Of.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, even to the best of our ability,. I just wondered: if you had to take on how well we can approximate what we expect, those design standards to be.

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Cob sloane walbert: and I know we've done a preliminary analysis and shown that we can update the improvements in that area along arapahoe and I believe, they're dedicating a portion of right away. I'd have to double check, though.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: john.

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Pb, john gerstle: john, maybe drop with the sound. pb harmon zuckerman: of the video camera.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well okay,. Maybe you should turn your video off. It is coming in and out.

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pb, john gerstle:, with respect to the land that is to the east of south boulder creek, and you can you hear me now.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah, you sound great.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay,, I was just wondering, to what extent any of this proposal required. The.

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Pb, john gerstle:, any of the use or crediting or accounting for the land that is on to the east of south boulder creek, that's currently being used by the subaru dealership.

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Cob sloane walbert:, so that area was part of the concept plan,. I think there was a discussion of using it for like community gardens, and since that time.

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Cob sloane walbert:, it's been determined, it's going to be nearly impossible for the residents to gain access to that,, so what they've done is they're going to subdivide that off as an outlet for future consideration and none of the open space or density calculations consider that area in this proposal.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay, thank you.

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Pb sarah silver: okay,, thank you, bye, emailed this question to charles and chris and the hopes that they would be able to answer it um and the question was.

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Pb sarah silver:, because this, there are at permanently affordable units and one of the questions I will ask to develop the applicant is,. What are the dwelling unit types that fall into that category? I wanted to ask city matt the current this case,, the acting city, manager.

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Pb sarah silver: to explain I'm.

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Pb sarah silver: under 913 dash nine dash 13 dash six, be the city managers authorized to establish minimum and maximum sizes for permanently affordable, units.

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Pb sarah silver: annually to reflect the types of units that are size to meet our unmet community needs,, and I really am curious to know what what this year's.

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Pb sarah silver: needs are how how the city manager has identified them and because I'm be curious, how they match with what the applicant is proposing for affordable, units.

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Cob sloane walbert:, it's probably the best question for housing stuff, I'm hoping michelle.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, I think, kurt.

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Cob sloane walbert: kurt could possibly answer that.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: yes, sir, thank you.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, so we have livability standards that we update. Those livability standards were updated. Just a few months ago, they're they're, pretty recent.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, and so they identified sort of minimum standards for certain types of units in sizes.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, they have standards for storage and closet areas and that sort of thing. So that's a recently updated documents.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, this project adheres to those livability standards for unit types.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: I'll also say that, generally speaking.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, I mean we are creating a variety of housing types, as far as sizes and bedrooms within our various projects throughout the city. Currently we have seen a trend or the last few years, towards.

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Cob, kurt firnhaber:, smaller units., cob, kurt firnhaber: and those are that that's what the mark of the affordable sort of market is is asking for,. We have an easier time.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, renting smaller units that we do the larger units and so you'll. I think, you'll see what this project that it sort of.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: reflects some some of those market realities,, but I also knows michelle allen is on she's part of my team. I don't know if she has anything additional to add.

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Cob michelle allen:. I would just add that sarah I saw that question earlier and.

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Cob, michelle allen:, so for inclusion, housing,, which of course it's only one way that the city produces affordable, housing,. One of the many ways that we do.

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Cob, michelle allen:, the program is set up, so that the affordable units reflect what is in the market rate project, and the assumption is that the market rate project is meeting the needs of the community that that's what.

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Cob, michelle allen:, the market developers do and and that the market is driving the types of units that they're proposing and then inclusion housing simply gets subset.

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Cob, michelle allen: of those units same size, same number of bedrooms and that type of thing,, so the assumption built into exclusionary housing is that the market development is meeting the needs of the community and the affordable housing follows I don't know if that's helpful, but.

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Pb sarah silver:, so that helps so the the the the the I'm making these percentages up. 50% are one type 30% or one type and 20% or one type, is the developers, projection or understanding of the market,, and then the affordable units will be an equal number of each of those percent.

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Pb sarah silver: percentages or a percentage of those percentages, yes.

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Cob michelle allen: correct, so they are directly proportional to the market rate units,. So if there's 50% studios, the affordable will be 50% studios.

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Pb, sarah silver:, okay, awesome! Thank you very much,. You sure.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: any other questions for safir, said john.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah.

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Pb, john gerstle: so. pb, john gerstle:, some things about the letter of map revision that that you refer to sloan.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I was unclear about whether that which has recently been approved by fema.

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Pb, john gerstle: assumes that the scene south the flood mitigation work, has been done and is an effect or whether that is.

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Pb, john gerstle: it it's based on the existing conditions, right now.,.

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Cob sloane walbert: asked either kristen shepherd are edwards answer that.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay,, should we do that no.

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Pb, john gerstle: problem.

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Cob sloane walbert: yep, she's, she's ready.

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Cob, christin shepherd:, I'm ready., cob,, christin, shepherd: so and edward started I'll, just jump in um so the the current loma. The letter of map revision does not include the proposed to you south development,. It only includes current existing conditions.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay,, if I can just follow up on that. One of the comments that was received from the public refers to that letter of map revision and indicates that it doesn't include any of the flow that would come in from the west. Valley..

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Pb, john gerstle: flood conditions, and I was wondering,- is that something you've looked into and and find appropriate.

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Cob, christin shepherd:. I'm not entirely sure how to answer that, because it's that the.

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Cob, christin shepherd: the letter of map revision and the mapping analysis takes into account the flows that are in the model and utilizes uses that.

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Cob, christin shepherd:. Please do thank you, edward.

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Cob,, edward stafford: first,, the overall answer. John, your question is yes,. It is appropriate, under the.

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Cob,, edward stafford: regulations of the nfp and under the city's regulations that a future unknown condition is not included this eu south project as it goes forward, assuming it does, and I can't make that assumption. 100%.

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Cob, edward stafford: will have to consider what that flow rate is that it's able to discharge to not further adversely impact south boulder creek as those flows, no longer go into the west valley.

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Cob, edward stafford:, when they do that and that's the reason for the detention facility, it won't have an additional negative impact because the flooding is primarily caused by that rate,. Not that quantity.

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Cob,, edward stafford:, that's coming down through the creek in terms of how the mapping is going to be impacted,, so it should not change the overall mapping in this particular stretch.

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Cob, edward stafford:, given that they will have a detention facility, that's really metering it out to continue to meet the conditions that we see. Today.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay,, so so staff is considered that issue and is satisfied with the proposal.

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Cob, edward stafford: yes. thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, any other sarah. Before I give give it to sarah there. Any people that haven't asked a question on planning board who would like to I didn't have that before john jumpin, okay, sarah.

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Pb sarah silver: thanks, um so this was also a topic that was brought up in some of the letters we received.

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Pb sarah silver: and I'm not sure that what was written was accurate, so sloan I'd like your responses to whether it's accurate and if it is an answer that several writers brought up the possibility that one of the options in the east folder sub community planning, process.

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Pb sarah silver: consists of conceives of this area as remaining sort of a flood zone,, a flood mitigation area or a flood of an area where that could be flooded. And I don't know if that is, in fact,, accurate and if it is.

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Pb, sarah silver:: how would this address? How would this impacts, the discussions about the east folder sub community plan planning, process.

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Cob sloane walbert:, and I would just say I was not aware of that,. My understanding is that the east boulder plan is still in the very conceptual phases, so at that would not factor into our analysis in this case. Until that plans, adopted.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): think I might be able to answer that. I think this is just outside the area that is potentially considered for that in one of the concepts,, but sloane's right that that work is still pretty is so conceptual.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay., pb, harmon zuckerman:, that answer your question.

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pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, any other questions from planning board for staff. John again.

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Yeah. pb, john gerstle:: this will be fast,. I think, wanted to check if there's any contact with the open space and mountain parts department about the impact of this project on the open, space.

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Pb, john gerstle: facilities alone, south boulder creek, and also whether the pond at the north part of that of the project,, whether anyone's looked into ownership of the pond and whether there's any water rights associated with it..

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Cob sloane walbert: and I think I can potentially address the ponds and then we have bethany collins from oh s&p on the line to address the easement. I do believe there are some water rights associated with that pond.

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Cob sloane walbert:, but my understanding is that will not impact the amount or quality of open space provided, if that was to change the makeup of that pond. Area.

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Cob sloane walbert: destiny,. Do you want to speak to the scenic easements.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: sure,, I can., we've opened space has been involved along the development review process and.

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As as proposed in the application, that's before you for review,, there is no.

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The area long that that is under open space purview is in scenic easements,. It is not owned by open space and those areas are not. You know the restrictions,. There are no development that the scenic and natural features of that area remain, and there is no proposed.

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Pb, john gerstle:, thank you. Certainly.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay., pb, harmon zuckerman: any other questions for staff.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, seeing none I'll turn it back over to charles.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and phone to introduce the applicant.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, it's not more you'd, be running the africans presentation this evening.

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Cob sloane walbert: hi, well fingers crossed., cob, sloane walbert:. It's working on it.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, so if you needed any help.

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Cob sloane walbert:. Let me pull it up and I'll turn it over. It looks like, though,, is.

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Cob sloane walbert:, ready to go.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so just to get us ready, I think we're going to start with,, william and then david william. Are you unmuted and on camera, see what david.

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William shutkin: bill,, I think I should be ready,. Can you can everybody see me.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, and it was a little dark, in. my., william shutkin:, great, so slow, and I'm going to ask you to advance the slides. Each of us will, of course.

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William shutkin:, so we could begin, and let me know when we're on the clock.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay harmon- I am I starting for 20 minutes- is that correct.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah, I think we said we'd, give him 15 but.

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pb harmon zuckerman: build the need 20.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: we're planning on 15 here,. We might be a few seconds over under but.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, it should be around 16 17.5 okay.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay! Well, why don't? Why don't we., pb harmon zuckerman: just go ahead,, and so we don't have to interrupt just given 17 minutes and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, and, and hopefully they'll get it in.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): starting now go ahead. Awesome thank you.

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William shutkin: good evening planning board members, city staff and fellow boulder rights, I'm william shotgun, a resident of boulder principal of shotgun, sustainable living and an owner in the project.

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William shutkin:, I'm also faculty lead for urban resilience and sustainability in the masters of the environment programme at cu, boulder.

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William shutkin: first I'd like to acknowledge, some of our supporters,. These include boulder community hospital, on behalf of its 2200 employees.

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William shutkin:, the sierra club, I think it's the first time the sierra club is put its name behind a boulder real estate. Development.-.

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William shutkin:, the boulder chamber of commerce,, a former boulder shelter board chair a former head of the boulder economic council.-.

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William shutkin:, I also want to thank the more than three dozen east boulder business leaders and housing transportation, climate and racial justice advocates who have signed up to speak tonight, on behalf of our application. Sloan, please advance the slide.

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William shutkin:, where actually keep that slide, the first one, thank you.

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William shutkin: phi beta one arapahoe is a proposed 317 units, sustainable mixed income, mixed use, neighborhood designed precisely for boulder.

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William shutkin:, our project is aligned with over 60 of the city's most important policy goals, advance the slide please,. So thank you.

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William shutkin:, the project is designed to fill a massive gap in east folder for mixed income. Housing.

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William shutkin:, with at onsite, affordable apartments and townhomes that 60% of the city's annual quota, starting at 50%, a very immediate income about $40,000 a year for a single person.

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William shutkin:, these units are integrated by building and by floor a first in the city for advancing social inclusion and housing. Equity.

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William shutkin: david.

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David zucker: thanks william, can you advance the next slide sloan, I'm david zucker, one of the owners of water view and ceo of zuko community development..

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David zucker: project is designed to create a vibrant, sustainable place along the changing rapid quarter and takes advantage of south boulder creek the multiuse path and immediately adjacent to the bus, stop and panoramic views of the foothills flat irons in indian peaks. Next slide, this.

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David zucker: project is designed to generate 500 kilowatts of rooftop solar energy in a neighborhood. That's been blessed with infrastructure for walking biking in busing to and from work.

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David zucker:, the project is designed to move hundreds of car trips each day from arapahoe avenue, reducing vehicle miles traveled and carbon emissions along the corridor. Next slide, please.

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David zucker: we've engaged the neighborhood over the past three and a half years with for plenary meetings, two working groups, a site tour and project website,, which is also translated into spanish.

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David zucker: note that, among our stakeholders are over at local boulder investors next slide please.

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David zucker: and bill hockey please.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, I feel, how lucky with covert architecture. So I'm going to start by walking you through the form and the reasons behind the planning.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: that underlines the project,, the first is, we take the site and we look at all the areas that can be built. So.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, those setbacks, easements the creek flooding,, a scenic easement that we were just talking about and so that results in these white areas,. Those are the areas.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: that don't have any restrictions and they're above the hundred year, flood plain so slow,. If you could advance, please.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, the next issue, is,: where do we get into the site,? So we work heavily with staff on this, and staff is very clear that intersections are safest when they interact with intersections across the street,, so they were.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, they really wanted,, they all are intersection to be directly across from old tale.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:. That also happens to coincide with an easement for regional sewer line that comes through here and that's not coincidental. The city plans the stuff out because.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: when things are organized this way it's much safer, there's a question about whether access could come from the northeast parcel. So we looked into that and staff went.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: into that and staffs language in the comments coming back, was it just wasn't viable, the reason for that is: there's multiple parts, multi multiple reasons for that, including.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, that's an appeasement and we just heard about,, so we require a bridge over the creek in the scenic. Easement would prevent that.

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Bill holicky coburn, architecture: additionally,. We have the flood way through there. We can't have support for the bridge coming down into that flood way,. It would be a 250 foot, long, kirsty and bridge which again.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: would be a major issue with some easement and then the other reason is that we don't have any right away access up there, that property portion.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: of bonds and neighboring property, so cu boulder standards. Are you take access off the right away into your property, there's no right or right, away,, then a portion, so all of the entry.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so all of those reasons, the entry has to be directly across multiple, which also is the safest. So on the next slide.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, now that we know that that's the entry we look at starting to organize the site. So we've got this entry, we're going to wrap the whole we've got the bike path that goes up to the north and an rpg site or creating this little pocket,, which is a great place for community.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, restaurants, retail community office- is it's a really good place for that gathering spots,? So we start there on the next slide. Then we start to add.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, you know,, we need parking, so we add that in. But we don't want this to be a parking dominated site. It really wants to be walkable neighborhoods. Those are the best kind of community so again we're putting parking structure in the middle of.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: it. bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so it doesn't say on the next slide. You'll see that we.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: have the last. There we go. Thank you. So.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: again,. We want to pick his neighborhood right,, so the buildings are small,, the streets are small, they're complete streets and it's very walkable. So we create this grid.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and then on the next slide, we're tying that grid into the future tmp plans and staff and identify that there may be a connection. Some dates, the west.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and we're tying that this new grid in with that future grid. So it's a it's a complete street network,, not just for our site, but beyond on the next slide. Now that we have that colonel.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, one of the one of the comments and great potentials of this site is how it transitions to both the open space in the neighbors.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, so we started to look into that and it will put into great detail and the blue dots, for example,. That's where the the main community gathering spaces on.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, amir, the commercial one, fight path and pond, and then the brown and green areas as another example,, our private smaller,, more intimate gatherings and individually us.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: on the next slide. Now we take that and we add in the commercial parking and the parking for the townhomes, that's tucked behind the buildings and under the buildings- and we have this walkable me and the last slide,, which is where slowness now.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. We have this really walkable place now,. We have an opportunity to make it really all mode from now, remember,. So if you get right, there.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: now,, if you remember, the people that are going to live here are currently part of the 60,000 income years. We have every day.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so were previously they're jogging 510 miles away from. Where did it work depending on? If it's one of the 10,000 jobs in the immediate area or downtown boulder.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:: it's really much, much easier for them to get out of their car. For wanting so someone sort of went through a large portion of the things we're doing from an old road standpoint,. We have quite groans with tools and pumps and bike wash.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. If you want to ride a bike,, this is a great place to have it. We even have east scooters, so we're really pushing the modes, because for the first time, these people that have been driving can now get out of their cars on the next slide.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, we came to you with essentially the same framework last time,, much less developed.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, the planning board, unanimously, determined and alas, concept plan that the project was consistent with bowling alley, comp plan goals and made sense, here.

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Bill holicky coburn, architecture: however,. You did have a number of comments to go through some of those we had proposed and very agricultural style architecture and playing board,. I think, rightfully said.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, hey, you know let's,. This is an eclectic area. Let's have a little more interest in a decent industrial kind of vibe so.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:- that was one comment say: don't can we add some townhomes? We talked about the outdoor space and enhancing the multi use path,. There was questions about the state hydrology direct us to go study that.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, said you supported the proximity detection, or you were worried about left, turns out of this site and you really wanted to push us to continue engaging the neighborhood. As david mentioned on that slide earlier, that's been extremely robust and has continued on the next slide.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:: this is the difference between that concept, planning, hearing and now,. So you can see the unit count. Decreased parking spaces have gone up,, so the parking reduction is lower.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:. We had three four story: building now,. We have one in the center with decrease the building coverage by 10% and we've added those townhome events that you had requested so slow,. If you can advance.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. We now have this segment.

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bill, holicky, coburn, architecture: and one of the really cool thing. That's that's working really well about the project is both the perimeter and the interior are very functional for what they're trying to do so, the inside, is supposed to be this extremely walkable neighborhoods.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and if it is and the outside, is a dropping, a transition to the both neighborhood any open space with highly designed, highly effective nodes and that open space all around for this community and the greater community. So on the next slide.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. We will look at that open space. What's really cool about the open space here. Is that our site? Is it this nexus between the north, south.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, bypass green, that comes down and the flat irons golf course park to the south and our say joins the two,, so it makes it open space really important. We took it really seriously and on the next slide.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. We can show how we perfect it, how we we designed so one of the things we heard from you and staff,, and we really want to focus on- was not the open space just being.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, a bunch of green space, there's 340 1000 square feet of open space on the site. It's way more than is required.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, but again, it doesn't mean anything, it's not designed. So we put it into three buckets: there's the very active open space and that's an orange. So that's the bike path and the dog run.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and the eating area,, the plus out in front of the restaurant and the fitness exercise, wellness.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: building, all those are highly active in space and then in the brown there's, maybe a step down right. So that's where you might gather with your friends and throw a.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: frisbee walk around it's still moving, but it's not quite as active and then in green is the visual open space. It's really the visual relief, it's the natural world, it's the plantings, and so all of these things together kind of create this rich tapestry of of..

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, the open space network on the sun to for black and white drawings are just representations of a few different areas,. We have about 30 of these.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. These areas are designed down to the you know where the shrubs, and these are going to with gardens on the benches they're highly figure out designed to be really a monetized both for the greater community and the neighbors here,. So we can move on to the next one.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: jump into traffic and transportation for a minute, so,, as I mentioned.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, the old mode, is really supported, and in this particular case, that the the old mode network is very, very strong,. We have the north, south bike path, it's highly used. It goes right to the flyers business park and all of these 10,000 jobs we have.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: current on street bike parking or bike lane,, and the new improvements to rambo create this multimodal lane, all the way along the newer side.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: the site will build his portion of it and create the right away format,. We also have the bus stop right in front of the site, so local and regional transportation very easy to get you.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. If you want to take a bus or ride a bike downtown,, it is extremely easy to do that on a bus downtown a minute, havin a bus, you come back so as a site. This site is very well served. By.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, going to the next slide. One of the things that we heard from old tale very clearly was they wanted to preserve their full movement intersection. He wants to be limited, right now,. They can turn anyway in around.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and,, just to be very clear,. We are proposing,, no change to that. Their intercession is not effective on the next slide.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: one of the concerns we heard from them and you was paid,. What is it going to be like taking a left turn out of this development? If somebody wants to have these.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: now granted there won't be much of that. Most people will be heading west, but there still will be some. So we worked with see doc because it's nc state highway.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, and they have very strict standards for how to do this. We work with them to eliminate that left turn right,. We cannot turn left out of this property,. You can only go west.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. If you then want to go east, they have a left turn lane as a standard car turn lane on that allows. You then turn into the eastbound lane and go to the east.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: again,, all according to see that regulations,. That means that anybody had an east is just like any other traffic hitting these past alltel. It doesn't impact their intercession to move to the next one.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. Another thing you asked us to look at what's hydrology.

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bill, holicky, coburn architecture:. We have looked at this extensively spent three years working on up with fema and the city of boulder. We hired steve blank from the internationally known, not for profit dh. I have a denmark.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, and I think that the quarter one point from staff was that there isn't another site in boulder that has had his hydrology study to this level of detail,. We know what's going to happen here and there is.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, deep shelf, a science for how this works,. So we don't answer some of those other questions that, due to the fema regulations, the way we have to model at the very detailed model. That's on the site.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:: there will be no impact from this site on floodwater on any other property. It's a federal, federally regulated requirement and that's the way it works there can. I have been working in the way. Fema would not approve it.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, so the second question was groundwater. Again we did borings. We know where the groundwater is just to be clear about this,. The groundwater level is below both the foundations for the buildings.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and a install utilities,. We also know that the the soil here is essentially river bond. So it's it's strong. It doesn't compact, and it drains very well so again.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. We know that there will be no impact from groundwater on any other site. Again there is sheets of science,, so I can we've got steve blank here and we've got charlie hanger here.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, both experts in the field and steve can answer any questions you have. I do encourage you to ask him those, because I think that there's there's so much information here that we can pass on.

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bill holicky coburn architecture:? Thank you so to finish up on the architecture,. This is the southeast corner,, where the commercial is.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and, as we spin around this, is that same position come up out of the flight path. So it's really designed to be as community gathering space, the architectures are collected,. It has.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: accenture city to go along with the community around it,, as you requested on the next slide, the interior of the site, is.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: has the same care given to it again we're creating complete streets as sloan mentioned,. We have sidewalks and tree lawns and parallel parking.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and really great balance, a walk along on the first floor on the next slide. You'll see that the materials have chosen for the same reasons, alone, went through them.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: they're, designed to be durable and interesting and have texture and have connections to human scale and to finish up on the next couple of slides..

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, the centricity is not just within the building,, but each building is different. So again, you get the feeling that each streets is different, and while the principles of good street designs still apply.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, the whole site has a character, the changes as you walk along one more slide.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: on the eastern side, alone, the bike path. We heard the comments: hey, listen we're going to roll the project back away from there. We'll use this wellness building as.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: sculptural elements that augments the bypass. So it's a really enhanced edge to that bike path. And again it's completely out of the scenic easement. Doesn't impact open, space.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and, on the last slide that I have,, which is next that that tension has gone around the entire project,, so this.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: tells parties in the middle, then drops to three story: mostly gable: roof, buildings,, all the way around transitions again to amenities, and then to the open space, and so that walks you through the project, appreciate your listening and before two questions, thank you..

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, all right,, do any planning board members have any questions for the applicant.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: hand up first than peter than john.

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Pb sarah silver: thanks so much for that presentation, so I'm going to follow up on the second half of the question, I asked the staff.

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Pb sarah silver:, which has to do with,, could you please tell me what the breakdown of dwelling unit types will be for the permanently affordable on that? First half of a question about those units.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: sure,, so we currently have,, as I just make sure my math is right,. We have 13 two bedroom units to affordable three bedroom townhouse. We have 35 one bedroom units and 30 studios.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: can you. pb sarah silver: list that again you go very fast and I'm typing it out. Sorry.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. Oh sorry, so 30 studios.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: 35, one bedrooms.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, 13, two bedroom, units.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, the townhomes.

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pb, sarah silver: and two towns.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and michelle allen can also answer questions about that, because for all affordable.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: units that we propose and for anything that housing accepts, it goes through a pretty strict vetting process for michelle and.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. All of that was an you know. We work through that with housing, it's not like,. We propose that and that's the answer. That was a team effort between this group and the division of housing to come up with those numbers.

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Pb, sarah silver: and then,. Can I just.

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pb sarah silver: harmon? Can I follow up.

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pb harmon zuckerman: yeah go right ahead: okay. pb, sarah silver:, so I'm curious, about.

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Pb sarah silver: we,, the city, we're seeing increasing numbers of permanently affordable developments or developments that have permanent, affordable components that are not being done by the three.

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Pb sarah silver: nonprofits that the city has previously worked for. So I could you just walk us through how.

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Pb sarah silver:, how you imagine or how you know, these will be managed,. How will the criteria be, how will it be managed,? How does it, the management of these permanently affordable fit with the management of the rest of the rental units.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: great point all start and then david will jump in and give you a little bit more on the management so.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, as you know, one of the things that's unique about this project is the fact that the units are integrated in with the market rate, so, rather than hey, the units are separated by an empty. It's all part of the same project. So david, can you chime in with how that works.

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David zucker: currently,, thanks for the question zillow, has a history of managing low income, housing tax credit project. So that's what this that's! What this component is.

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David zucker:, the beautiful thing about this, and something we're so close eager to to continue to to explore. Is this true integration of units as bills, describing so rather than a new york style pour into our quote.

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David zucker:, the units are, are entirely transparent and opaque. You can't tell which is affordable,, which is market rate.,.

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David zucker:, they have the same finishes: they're the same size, there's a market rate new and the next one, affordable unit. Next one market rate, unit.

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David zucker:, so it's true inclusive it. What what's also great is that the same management,, the same, the same, happy hour,, the same programs around the pool, the same learning opportunities are afforded to absolutely everyone. Indiscriminate, have an income, affordability, status or not.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, so,, if I can just read you didn't exactly answer my question, which had to do with what's the criteria like permanent affordability, for what what's the what's the.

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Pb sarah silver: income level sort of cure, I'd like to know more about that.

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David zucker: so, of the ad units 70, and michelle should check me please.

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David zucker: 70 units are for those earning less than 60% of the area median income in the proportions that the bill holic you mentioned, and 10 of those are for those earning 50% and less of area median income,. So I can give you the rents, for.

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David zucker:, a efficiency unit, is about $1,000 a month for the 50% of a my units. A one bedroom is 1079 and two bedroom is about 1200 and $90 at the moment.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, okay answer: I just it just occurred to me kind of part of what you're asking, so the city of boulder deed restriction, guidelines.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, don't change depending on who manages the units,, so the units are still required to comply with the 20% in the 5%, affordable requirements from the city and that's deed, restricted, so.,.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, okay. pb, sarah silver: thank you. cob, michelle allen: yeah, and I would I would add, that,, although socolow will own and they will lease up the units,. According to all of the many, many guidelines that we have in what we call our rental handbook,, then the housing and human services staff will.

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Cob, michelle allen:, our compliance team will go in and they will check those records. I think they do it quarterly. They go into the offices,. They pull all the records. They keep a very close eye on what the managers are doing to make sure they're complying with all of our rental requirements.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, thank you, michelle. I appreciate that. sure.

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Pb, peter vitale: thank you,, and this is a similar question.

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Pb, peter vitale:, so the staff that was just up and maybe even kurt and the applicant,. Thank you for this and you.

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Pb, peter vitale: held yourself out as a model here, and the way you're. Integrating these units and.

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Pb, peter vitale: what we've heard time and time again, is the reason other developers can't do this is because of why tech and lender restrictions, etc,? How did you do it.

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Pb, peter vitale:: what did you have to change in order to do it.

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David zucker:, that's a that's a good question,. I think the first thing is intention of socolow, where we can, when we can build mixed income. Projects.

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David zucker:, it's it's fun to be able to build for people that didn't think that they could ever live in the places where we built.

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David zucker: there's also a degree of complexity that we have tolerance for that other developers, don't.

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David zucker:, we just finished a.

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David zucker: cheater, we just finished up a $29 million 102 unit, affordable project and adaptive historic adaptive, reuse of a needle former single room, occupancy hotel 111 years old.

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David zucker:, we estimate that that project took four times the amount of staff time that 100 $10 million project and river north 357 units took.

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David zucker:, so we do have,, I mean for certain projects we're going to commit the time to be able to deliver on a on a really cool integration and.

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David zucker: in integrated and inclusive project,- and this is one of those where we want to spend the time. So it's going to take a lot of time,. Michelle has been really patient with us.

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David zucker:, in reviewing with us and supporting us, as we've used in in speaking speaking on structure, specifically,. So what we're using is something called under kiowa: the cholera common inches ownership, back.

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David zucker:, it's it's! It's a newer version of a kind of structure called a small plan community. It allows, unlike a typical condo.

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David zucker:, where you really have to build it first and then create the condo survey and.

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David zucker:, this allows you to designate essentially future errs airspaces, so we can designate one unit as affordable, that we will be building next to another unit. This market rate.

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David zucker:, so the small plane community, which takes significantly more time and we are taking a lower return as a result,. But this is the type of long term project that that zuko seeks to build, and this is the team that that we believe, has the ability and tolerance to get it done with coburn..

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Cob kurt firnhaber: oh, peter the other thing that I'll add to that, from a from a staff perspective.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, I think the other thing that david maybe was saying, between the lines, is that it takes resources to be able to do this and cost.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: more money in in the approach to financing such a project,. I think this is in one way it sir. It's a result of the additional community benefit that we get from the height as well.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, it's a combination of a lot of different factors,, but you know, david, was able to, I think make this happen by playing with all of those various factors.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, thank you, I'm gonna go to john and then lou pizza.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah. Thank you just a quick.

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Pb, john gerstle: can do parking from the living arrangements, such that you're charging for parking.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, so I apologize cut out right in the beginning,. Can you repeat the question.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah, I'm asking about unbundling parking and the living arrangements,, whether whether there'll be a separate charge for parking spaces.

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David zucker: there will be. david zucker:. There will be a charge for parking.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: before I get to the pizza I'll just follow up on that. Do you have any thoughts, about.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: doing some flex with the the parking spaces, so when, for example,. If you have an owner who has an older space that they're gone during business hours and there's somebody driving in who works nearby, who need the space during those same hours.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that you can do some multi user,. Will the status just be dedicated all the time.

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David zucker: take a quick step.

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Oh. david zucker: thank you, carmen de, I think the beauty of parking technology today is that we can have different realms of parking control.

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David zucker:, so the least expensive parking, which will not be terribly expensive, will be just open.

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David zucker:, so there'll be a large area of the parking structure that is, is open, they'll be certain spaces that are reserved. Those are those are more.

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David zucker: those there will be certain spaces that are reserved 24 hours, a day,, so they in those three realms of parking there'll be different costs. Associated,, the higher the level of control.

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David zucker:, the more it will cost the less the less. So we expected that with our commercial, our commercial tenants, that there will be a fair sharing of parking.

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David zucker: in this reservoir of open parking.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, really quick with the numbers, we have. bill, holicky coburn, architecture: 439 required parking spaces we're providing for 21. That's that 4.1% reduction.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, so we're short city of boulder numbers, 18 spaces,, but we're also assuming, as david just mentioned, that there's a daytime nighttime sharing,. So the commercial space.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: will be mostly in the commercial space that we mostly commercial during the day.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and a lot of those which are turnover to residential at night, well more than those 18 spaces, so,. While there is a technical reduction, we're providing more than the city of boulder requirements for the spaces that are being utilized anytime during the day.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, great thanks for that the pita and then lisa.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yes,. My question has to do with the way that you allocated the affordable housing and I was trying to look at the numbers and if I were to do just a straight math.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: in terms of the three bedroom townhouses, that's the two out of the 22 is less than 10% that are affordable, and but if I bundle that two.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: flats, with those of the three bit that most because we have no to bed town halls, 10 homes.,.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, then that then we are about, I don't know 50% or something like that,. So I was wondering how you said that you.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: know without having to know the details,, because my concern here is in terms of you know, the size of the families that you will be able to accommodate..

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so I would imagine that for affordable housing having only two bedrooms available, it really limits, who can live in this places and so.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: how those decisions I made to me matter, because you get pencil what kind of affordable housing, you are, you know, trying to to provide. I know a lot of the families that I will consider leaving the least.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya:, attractive housing in this town have more than one child, and more than two child children,, so at three bedroom will be more attractive than a two pager. So I'm just if you can just guide us a little bit through the reasoning that will be very, very helpful.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: during I'm gonna. bill, holicky, coburn, architecture: read again. The effort here is a cooperative one between both the applicant team and the vision of housing. So I'm going to let liam chef can jump in and then perhaps michelle allen can speak a little bit to it as well,. So william.

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William shutkin: great thanks, bill, and thank you, peter it's a great question as michelle can testify, and I think kurt as well. You know we've spent gosh over three years in negotiations.

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William shutkin: and over those three years we've seen housing funds come and go. We've seen you know, markets come and go coven so, a lot has changed over time,, but basically the negotiation that we conducted over these years, result in what we thought was an optimal mix of housing, given.

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William shutkin: the costs given do he has the division of housing, goals.

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William shutkin: and that's reflected,, essentially in the 50% of my units that we are going to deliver on, whereas originally we were thinking only about 60% of am I.

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William shutkin: on likewise the integrated strategy ideally,, we would have liked to have provided more and bigger units across the board.

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William shutkin:, but owing to well, essentially,, the fact that we reduced the size of the project.

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William shutkin:, as of a couple of years, ago, based in part on staff feedback,, you know,, these were essentially the constraints that we were left with,. So I think, and again michelle and kurt can comment.

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William shutkin:, but I think the parties agree. This was an optimal mix of units and and unit sizes, and we generally feel pretty good about it.

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William shutkin:, michelle or kurt.

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Cob michelle allen: yeah. So if you remember, david sucker.

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Cob, michelle allen:, so there are, there are a few more two bedroom than strictly proportional in the project.

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Cob, michelle allen: and the thing that one of the things that we negotiated on this project were 10 units at deeper affordability.

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Cob, michelle allen:, while there were actually two things, 10 units that deeper affordability,, which are not strictly required by including very housing.

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Cob, michelle allen:, but the developer was willing, because to lapidus point you know we can house different types of families, when we can get lower rents,, so we got 10 units at 50%. Am I ransom status and instead of 16, so deeper affordability.

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Cob, michelle allen: and the other thing that they put on the table is that for two and three bedroom units,, the h program will allow them to do them at 80% of the size of the market rate. Units.

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Cob michelle allen: socolow put on the table that they would do them at the same size as the market rate unit, so bigger than they were required. So there was a little bit of finessing that happened. As.

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Cob, michelle allen: william said over the several years that we've been in discussion around this project and that's that's where how that played. Out.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: optimization, can take many different parameters,, so I know about you cannot win it all, but it helps understanding,. You know some of this intricacies so that the email,, the discussions you guys had and.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so that I don't feel so bad about ending up with only two of the oh,. The three bedroom once.

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William shutkin:, thank you good. The pita we've had three different presidents during the course of these negotiations,. If that gives you any indication of the the intricacies and the duration of this negotiation.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: well,. Thank you very much for your efforts.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, go ahead. Lisa.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: yeah, so I know that you'll get into more details and later stages and I'm sure meet code requirements,. But I would love to hear.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: a bit preliminarily around what you're, anticipating in terms of sustainability and two things that rise to mind, for me, are the landscaping which I know is part of the detailed plan.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: staff called out as something that needs to come forward, and I think this side,, especially on the creek, is interesting for that..

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Pb, lisa c. smith: and then also building materials and energy efficiency,. So I'd be curious to hear about you know solar panels, or.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: or permeability of pavers. You know anything that you typically doing your projects that you're exploring for this one, to the extent you're aware of that,. I know you'll get into more detail, as we move through the process. If the project was for.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: me started planning and building questions,, so I get to I get to speak to them, thank you.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, so yeah sustainability is was one of the very first concepts for the site, and we are going to have 500 kilowatts of solar power. So all the roads get solar, power, excuse, me.,.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and that's combined with the city boulder requirements,, so the hers rating on the units is required to be 50, which is pretty restrictive.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and combine that with the solar power on the rooms and we've got very well performing minutes. What we found over the years, is that we want to start with is the envelope the envelope has to be really good.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so we've actually been working with the the plumber and construction team. Already.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: to start to figure out how we're going to hit those first ratings,. We already have a sustainability consultants on on site and they're already modeling the units so we're looking at things like windows and wall insulation.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: how we insulate around the foundations in the floor, because you know you can lose a lot of heat right down there. So we're looking at all that we will meet or exceed that 50 years..

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, and we will have all that renewable power mine sites and so that's very exciting..

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, there's other parts of sustainability to durability of materials. Is a big deal right. So if you have to replace the materials that you're using carbon to do, that.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so we're using durable materials in metal and break in hardy board that gets painted to form the siding.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, that's really durable! That's pretty critical as well we'll be looking at indoor air quality. That's a little bit further down the line you haven't gotten there yet.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, one of the big ones is. I once did the analysis on this,. It was maybe 10 years ago now,. So the numbers are probably a little tweak.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, but you can take five houses or five units and make them 40% better, performing or 50% better performing then code from an energy standpoint and that's the equivalent of taking one car off the road for a year.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, so driving vs ts is critical right,, so one of the big things is project does. Is it transfers,? I think,, if I remember correctly, city of boulder transportation and seeing the average.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: commute into boulder for the 60,000 people's 15 months.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, and now it's going to be like a mile or two with the people living here. So that's the equivalent of millions of empties, a year.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: to recite those people that are currently community to this location, so,. While I agree with you,, we do net zero billions and billions of critical planning is even more important,. So that's a big part of this is.

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David zucker:, it lisa can, I also add in.

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David zucker:, this is.

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david zucker:. This is our second skin socolow built in 2007, the 2008, I'm sorry rocky mountain regions, first leed certified multifamily building in the slow in the I'm. Sorry in the.

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David zucker: jefferson park, neighborhood of denver,, and so we've been a leader and and learning ever since,. And so we try to track to the degree that we can with the,, with the help of excel.

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David zucker:, where our kitty per foot per year, data are, and so we've been able to see over time that whereas epa standards are about almost 50 k per foot per year,, some of our projects are getting down. At.

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David zucker: per foot,, we would expect that that this will be at or below that so every every development for us as an opportunity to test to to try to do better.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, great okay, so david, I see your hand come up and time yeah then.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I have a couple of questions, since I was here for the concept review. So I'll start with the one thing that maybe that maybe is a little bit more.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: detailed,, and that is that this site is is has bordering on it. Arapaho.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, the bn, sf railway and then we've seen the communication from western disposable western disposal,, both at concept review time, and I think they sent another one. This time, around.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, and I saw the analysis that you know with the the upgraded windows and stuff too, and the decibel studies. So it looks like it's going to just that way. Was there any consideration of the.

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Pb, david ensign -- he/him/his: of the possibility of actually having some sort of a explicit agreement like, and I know that even a deed restriction was mentioned. But I'm again agreement from the owners and or.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: residents that that there might be the possibility in an industrial zone of having some impact, just as just so that we don't find people down the line. You know complaining about things that are existing conditions.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: as a really good point and there's a little known part of the code. That actually requires that. So there's a there's: a portion of the city core code that says, if you're having residential in an industrial area.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: you're required to provide notice to anyone moving in that there may be existing impacts, and I think those are noise, odor and other, I think,, or what you require so yes,. That notice is required to happen.

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William shutkin:, it is constructive, notice and and becomes recorded with the deed we've also carried on discussions david over the last several years with western disposal.

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William shutkin:, frankly, we're less concerned, and they are about the possible nuisance impacts we've been in and about the site. Now, for four years, we've never smelled odors.

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William shutkin:, the problem wester disposal had some years ago, was apparently a cannabis operation nearby that some neighbors complained up,, so it wasn't actually their facility,. It was another facility.

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William shutkin: on so we're frankly not worried about it. We've got a wonderful, mature tree, canopy. There's a lot of brush between us. I'd like to just quickly,, though go back. If I could to lisa.

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William shutkin:, because one of the most important sustainability, environmental sustainability assets,, I think of this site,, which is the first part of the site that I experienced, was the multi use path.

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William shutkin: and it's the connection between that path, frankly, and the flat our business park to the north.

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William shutkin: that, for me,, not necessarily speaking for the team, will be the biggest sign of success of this project,. When we see people biking and walking from this important project on arapaho up to their jobs, that boulder mountain repair or upslope or sovereign.

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William shutkin: and being able to do so at salaries of 40 to $50,000 a year, administrative staff, clerks, etc. That to us will be a sign of environmental success because precisely of the bmt and car trip reduction that we think this slide represents.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: us lastly,, remember that the prevailing winds are from the south and west and so odors don't come this way. Generally.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: and well just on the owners. Yeah I've actually noticed the.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I thought it was actually like hops from a beer brewery or something, but it's actually further to the north, on that path.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, but yeah and I've never noticed anything from western but,. But thanks for answering that because I know that it was multiple blaming board, members did want that addressed, and I was just was wanting to make sure that that that was in there, thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, sarah and then lupica with their hands up, not there,, then lupica.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yes,, I'm actually intrigued. To.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to learn from you guys,. How is it that you're addressing that, while we find you're not about doing this pandemic, the importance of indoor air quality and in your designed,? How is that.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: playing a role in terms of making a safe when people, if hopefully not,, but if we do end up in another lockdown.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: I mean I'm going around advising people about you, know clearing the air inside and how important that is. Finally.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: people want to pay attention to. So I'm wondering if this is something that is become part of the way that you design your buildings now with regards to you know the replenishment of clean air from outside.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, oh,, goodness, yes, coven has changed everything right,, I mean,. So there was already a priority.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, but it's become a priority both for the property owners and the market and I'll give you an example,. So the fitness area,, the fitness building right, the health and wellness building.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: was originally going to be smaller,, but what we're finding is the resonance generally and all the projects,? They don't want to go anymore. It's like a big box gym. They want to be around something smaller this morning, safe safer. I guess perceptively, safer.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, so we expanded,, so we can put all the exercise and fitness stuff than anybody would need in that building,, but then to the indoor air quality.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, you know that's a big thing too,, because I ain't gonna have a bunch of people there,. So we worked pretty hard to figure out a way to get an enormous amount of outdoor air into that building..

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, so there's their systems that you can actually change the amount of out the where the air comes in, and you don't always want to do that. Right,, because if there's not a pandemic, going on.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, now we're going the opposite way from sustainability,, because when we have a bunch of on conditioned air, but let's say this continues, or let's say: there's a rebound or another virus or anything else.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. We can change the amount of outdoor air coming into that system and yeah. It's not sustainable, for a while,, but it's a lot safer,. So you know I could go in a lot more detail,. I know we're kind of well outside the boundaries and so review sorry,, but it is,. It is a really interesting topic.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I appreciate it, it just because it really goes. Contrary.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to sustainability,, but it does have to be optimized as well,. So I'm glad to hear that you are an accounting for those things, was it doesn't have to be done that way, all the time. It's only when the time comes, you need to be prepared,. Thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, the other planning board members david. I see in john, have their hands up david.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: yeah, the other one I wanted to ask about that was in the concept. Review was just kind of interesting and there was talk about a reconfigured parking space with removable decks.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: for the future, should parking changed, and now the you know it's a pretty small parking reduction, so I'm kind of interested in whether that still lives in some form or whether that was something that kind of went by the wayside.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, it still lives,. You know we could take an hour presenting these projects to get all the details to you all and.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, you know,, we get 15 minutes,, so we kind of decided what's, the most important but yeah. The parking garage is designed so that the concrete inside.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, which is where the garages can be removed if it gets removed. It actually turns the outside of the two buildings so again that small scale that we're trying to.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: accomplish, and then we can put another ring of residential inside because it's a single little quarter so yeah in the future. If we have automated cars are all over again, or people just drive, less.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: there could be with city approval,, it would have to be an approval process,, you know another say 40 or 50 units and the removal of a large number of parking spaces, and so even more sustainable in that way,. Thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, hey john gusto.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah thanks. I can't resist asking you also about the pond and the water rights that might be associated with that and wondering whether you own those water rights or or whether there's some agreement with whoever does.

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Pb, john gerstle: them, and the related to that is the question of groundwater level,, because the the water level, in that pond, I presume, is similar to whatever the groundwater level is nearby..

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Pb,, john gerstle:, can you address.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: or things so there's two questions that are all let william address the first and then steve blake addressed the second, so william right.

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William shutkin: thanks john yes,, so there are rights in the ditch that feed into the pond,, and so we are in negotiations in discussion with the owners of those rights to purchase a share or fraction of a share. Really a very small fraction of a share.

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William shutkin: and as we move through the entitlement process will be completing those negotiations and that's controlling..

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William shutkin: flow flows into the pond., william shutkin:, but it's you know it's an interesting and and and long history.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, as I mentioned, the open space works, either way so from a regulatory standpoint,. This is compliant.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and then steve. Can you hop in and address the groundwater, please.

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Steve blake (dhi): sure, um so you know we for the groundwater.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: analysis and you can you identify steve? Can you identify yourself, for the record, please.

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Steve blake, (dhi): yeah sure I'm steve blake. I work with the api and worked on water issues for the for the interview. Site.

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William shutkin: and steve, maybe video to if we can,. If we can see that beard of years.

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Steve blake (dhi): during.

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Steve blake (dhi):, if there.

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Steve blake (dhi): so yeah just to quickly summarize some of the some of the work done so so there's been groundwater.

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Steve blake (dhi): site investigation done as part of the the geotechnical reporting,, which was done a few phases and grow. Our monitoring wells were dug and.

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Steve blake (dhi): data recorded for that,, so I think that that's characterized in a way that supports the cyclone and is, you know done everything that was necessary for for the project.

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Steve blake (dhi):, you know the the variation of groundwater across the site,, remembering that you know, there's a lot of great across the site from from south to north.

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Steve blake (dhi): is something that we've anticipated and understood in all of our analysis,. So if there's something else that it was specific to your question or concern about that,, let me know I'd be happy to address that. Too.

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Pb, john gerstle: thank you,. I just wanted to know that somebody had been thinking carefully about it. Sure.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman: and.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:: we actually, we actually have a section showing where the water level is in relation to the improvement,. So if you're interested,, we can pull that off and show you.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I I've been looking at it. Thanks.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay, sarah.

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Pb sarah silver:, so I'm want to follow up on something that was mentioned in several of the letters which had to do about the..

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Pb sarah silver: dirt fill that has apparently been moved on to and then off of the land, and I'm wondering if you could walk us through what the purpose of that.

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Pb sarah silver:, that transaction was and what it means for the plans that you have.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, william or david,. Can you address what happened and steve? Maybe address the result of how it's all working.

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William shutkin: your., william shutkin: data, I'd be happy to address, or you can.,.

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William shutkin:, sarah, basically there's a long and interesting history going back at least 15 or so years. Edward stafford is probably the the expert of record on this.

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William shutkin:, we bought the site in in september 2017, knowing much about that history, but, more importantly, working with edward and city staff.,.

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William shutkin:, even before we purchased the property and and after we stated our commitment to work with city staff to remedy would have been an interesting film. History, basically, the site was legally.

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William shutkin: filled,, it was filled by by permit about 14 years ago,, but some of that phil needed to be removed in order to comply with fema rules,, and it was precisely that removal of some of that legally place bill that we undertook.

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William shutkin:, we then engage da chai who actually did much of the flood modeling for the south boulder creek. Watershed is also working on the cu south project.

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William shutkin: with the city,, we engage the ihi just to make sure we were once and for all, getting all of the grading and the flood protection work right and that that's really what the last couple of years have been about.

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William shutkin:, so the past is past. What we have now is a site that is fully protective and totally compliant. We have conveyed zones that move water from south to north effectively.

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William shutkin: the site itself, the development footprint sits out of the floodplain, that's that was one of the the benefits,. If you will, of the phil done so many years, ago.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and bill holicky, coburn architecture:. It will be.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:. Maybe we can ask steve to kind of jump in and explain the regulatory compliance yeah.

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William shutkin: steve, can you sort of explain the the mapping and modeling that was done.

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Steve blake (dhi): here yeah.

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steve blake, (dhi): yeah happy to do that,, so the detailed floodplain analysis was performed by our staff of scientists and engineers, who really have decades of experience in modeling floodplains and detailed channel hydraulics..

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Steve blake (dhi):, especially in boulder. This analysis, was reviewed and approved by the city of boulder and engineering staff, wildlife, flood dress, shirt and the fema regular for professionals.

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Steve blake (dhi): in independent review consultants, there was an extensive review process over two years that resulted in the final termination.

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Steve blake (dhi): of the primary goals achieved here, are to restore the floodplain conditions that protect the community and meet the regional flow time management. Requirements.

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Steve blake (dhi): that that's really what the connection to the you know the sake rating and topography.

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Steve blake (dhi): was on the site, and so getting that right was was where we spend our time in modeling serving you know, doing the analysis and then.

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Steve blake (dhi):, going through the extensive fema review process involved. All those agencies that I listed so.

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Steve blake (dhi):, there's really no gray area or uncertainty about the outcome of the process,. You know, I think the the.

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Steve blake (dhi):, the you know the case resulting here is that you know there's no any significant impacts, to the flood hydrology for any neighboring properties.

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Steve blake (dhi):, so you know that's something that I think we all feel very comfortable with in in documenting and.

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Steve blake (dhi): getting out there clearly that you know we've we've done every every task and checked every box to make sure that the the floodplain management requirements are fully met to everyone. Satisfaction.

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Pb sarah silver:, thank you for explanation.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: alright, has that generated any other interest in asking question the applicant.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: alright,, so I'm going to close up.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: planning board questions for the applicant right now, and, given that we're going to jump into public comment next and we've had.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: two hours and 15 minutes so part of the meeting, I'm going to call it break. So those of you who need to grab something to eat or handle something at home.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: can do that and we'll come back at 825 and I'll turn it over to gene. At that point and we'll start a public comment: okay, enjoy your nine minutes.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: come back.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: to the planning board meeting back in order.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and we're going to dive into public comment for the water view. Project.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: again we're going to need.

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pb harmon, zuckerman:, commenters names and addresses and you'll be limited to two minutes.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, jean jackets data is going to.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: manage the process. She's gonna have a clock up, so people can see the time and I'll turn it over to.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you thanks harmon appreciate that, and so again everyone. Thank you so much for your patience. Tonight, please bear with us. We've got lots of folks that are here to speak to this item.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, I, the the list of the folks signed up, is on the planning board. Website.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and I'll try to read names to queue, everybody up and then we'll start the.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): will start the clock after after you're unmuted, so I'm going to go through all of the list of the signups and then we'll.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, if folks want to use the raise hand function,, you can go ahead and do that we'll get to the folks with raise hands after we go through the list,. So we have first up and a kramer followed by jackson, maynard followed by charles brock, followed,, followed by making calls.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, so.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you may unmute.

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Anna kramer (she/her): thank you, good evening,. My name is anna kramer. I live in self boulder, I'm a graduate worker at cu, although I'm here, speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf of my employer.

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Anna kramer (she/her):, I'm asking you to please support the water view. Project.

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Anna kramer (she/her): as first, a young, professional and now as a graduate worker and student, finding affordable housing within a reasonable distance of my workplace has been a constant challenge.

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Anna kramer, (she/her): I,, along with many other graduate workers and young professionals in this city,, are forced to spend far, far more than the recommended 30% of our income on rent.

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Anna kramer (she/her): because of the lack of affordable options,, some people, I know, are spending up to 50% or more.

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Anna kramer (she/her):, we put up with substandard and cramped housing, just to find something we can afford. Here.

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Anna kramer (she/her): until recently, I lived in a place in which I couldn't stand fully upright in the only bathroom and which had an ankle, twisting hole in the floor. But hey.

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Anna kramer (she/her):, I could afford it, that was nice. Other friends and peers live in the shadows of boulders occupancy limits. Having housemates when boulder has made that illegal.

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Anna kramer, (she/her): or many more folks that I know can't live in boulder at all. They've had been forced to move to the l. Towns are further afield,, so we lose value community members and they add to the 10s of thousands of people who commute into boulder each day.

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Anna kramer (she/her):, the city needs more affordable housing,. We need denser housing,. We need housing with good public transit and bike axis.

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Anna kramer (she/her):, like the water view project, so folder wants to meet its goals of reducing carbon emissions and increasing social, economic and racial diversity,. We need to actually do the work to get their water view as part of that work, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,. Anna next up is jackson, maynard most.

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Jackson, maynard: hello.

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jackson, maynard: loss, didn't see you and I'm here to express support for this project.

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Jackson maynard: one thing that as confused me about this project, is in regard to the old tale neighbors and why there are so against this project.

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Jackson, maynard: 1.5, acre mansions.

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Jackson, maynard: across the road.

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jackson, maynard: and I've brought this hired gun to confuse people about the flooding and to delay this project.

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Jackson, maynard: in the meantime, housing insecurity is higher than ever. More and more of our black and brown members of this community are being pushed out,, as are the same essential workers who kept our economy going throughout the last year.

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Jackson, maynard: I'm disappointed that these neighbors are fighting so hard to.

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Jackson, maynard: excuse me. jackson, maynard: have low income people,, including black and brown. People want to view.

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Jackson, maynard: your commandments to provide a diversity of housing.

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Jackson, maynard: greater racial equity in our housing.

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Jackson, maynard: listening to a bunch of angry white neighbors living in mansions, is not the answer and listening to the teachers,, the nurses, transportation advocates the climate change advocates and the east boulder business leaders is,. Thank you very much..

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Cob sloane walbert:, you're muted.

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Cob sloane walbert: okay. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, I'm not sure how that happened.

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cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay, next up is charles brock, followed by making calls, followed by jan burton,, followed by lori call so.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, charles, let me unmute you.

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And cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you can go ahead.

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Charles brock: okay, thank you, jean my name is chuck brock. I leave it at 717, evergreen in the city of boulder.

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Charles brock:, I'm a scientist in the library study, air quality and climate change, and I'm also a member of the parks and recreation advisory. Board.

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Charles brock: and also have community cycles advocacy committee, but I'm speaking of my own behalf tonight. I've been on your side of the podium before for extensive public comments and I really want you to know that. I appreciate your.

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Charles brock: time and your willingness to listen.

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Charles brock:, I strongly support this far broader view. Development. We desperately need all the housing,. We can get almost anywhere.

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Charles brock: and in recent years,, the young scientists, I've hired and noah, had about $60,000 per year, initially coming into a postdoctoral position.

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Charles brock: they've just not been able to find reasonable housing in boulder for 30% or less their income. They have been living in longmont, lewisville, superior.

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Charles brock: and prevent to make at least they would commute on each day, half and my car,, but whatever you really provides a lot more options for these early career employees time. I recognize it by itself: it's not a solution,, but it is a big step in the right direction.

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Charles brock: at this site is already along the major transit cord or, and the east arapaho transportation plan includes future bus. Rapid transit and dedicated lanes will only get better.

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Charles brock: and there are already great connections of the city's bicycle network and good access to nearby jobs.

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Charles brock:, there are restaurants, entertainment options within easy biking distance,, although not within easy walking, distance, at least not yet..

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Charles brock:, this may change as east arapahoe undergoes extensive redevelopment and coming years, so,. While I very much like this develop, develop. Development.

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Charles brock:, I think there are some transportation aspects that could be improved.

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Charles brock:, the 2014 vision,, the easter apo transportation plan shows raised protected bike lanes between the street and the bump. Tell us path to should be included now, or it won't happen for decades.

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Charles brock: and I also don't see, charging infrastructure for electric cars and bikes. This is very important. We're rapidly switching to electric vehicles.

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Charles brock: and minimum conduit should be installed,, so the wires can be run inexpensively in the near future, and the power to the site needs to be able to accommodate these charging loads. Thank you very much for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, thanks chuck. Okay, next up is making.

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Macon cowles: members of the planning board, my name is making calls. I live at 1726, maple avenue,. I want to thank you for your service on the board. What you do is so very important.

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Macon cowles:, the long and expensive planning process has significantly reduced the size of the water view. Project.

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Macon cowles: and that's already reduced its contribution to providing homes for ordinary people in our community.

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Macon cowles:, when water, he was presented, the planning board at concept review. 340 units were proposed on this 15 acre site,, whereas that number has been cutting out to 317.

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Macon cowles:, so this project could have made an even larger contribution to addressing the crisis of housing affordability,. Had it not already been downsized because of neighborhood opposition.

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Macon cowles: indeed,, the site review plan under submission in the spring of 2019 was for 376 units, 40% of which 150 units.

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Charles brock:, for about six more minutes.

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macon cowles:. Am I okay.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): yeah, okay, go ahead and make it.

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Okay. macon cowles: indeed,, the site review plan under submission in the spring of 2019 was for 376 units, 40% of which 150 units would be permanently affordable.

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Macon cowles:, so the process,, thus far,, has succeeded in losing for this community 70 permanently affordable, units.

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Macon cowles: this project has already been shrunk too much in response to neighborhood opposition. Your duty is to the whole city of 100,000 people,, not the 100 adjacent neighbors.

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Macon cowles:, the design of the small neighborhood and that's lovely sight, is exquisite. The attention to detail at street level is remarkable.

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Macon cowles: the narrow streets with facing balconies we place as in italy, during a pandemic that people can sing to each other from their balconies.

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Macon cowles: the designer this site has designed some of the most extraordinary places in our community iris, hollow studio, muse, the holiday crescent around the park and many others.

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Macon cowles:, if neighborhood character cannot accommodate housing for working folks, then that character itself must be reexamined and stripped to its core people, not like us or unwelcome people who aren't rich need to live far away,. This is not the boulder that any reasonable person once.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, megan.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Next few speakers are jan burton lori call matt benjamin curtain hard back and lucy conklin.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): alright,, so chan.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): chan, you can go ahead.

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Jan burton: good evening planning board members, and thank you for your contribution to our local democracy.

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Jan burton: boulders racial equity plan, recently adopted by city council points to the city's historical use of discriminatory land use and development. Policies.

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Jan burton:, single families, zoning height limits, green space, exorbitant design requirements and inclusion, inclusion, airy housing, peace all have contributed to high housing costs,. We all know the result or workers can't afford to live here, and we do not support a diverse community.

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Jan burton:, in the water view mixed income project. We find many of the most progressive development ideas, density on a transit cord or the inclusion of affordable housing. Walkability.

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Macon cowles: bike ability or side.

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Jan burton:, proximity proximity to many of boulders jobs and onsite rooftop solar. This project results in something that we supposedly cherish in this town: environmental excellence and affordability..

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Jan burton:, the developer has actively worked with a city to achieve fema stringent flood control requirements, giving up land in the process.

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Jan burton:, they have also worked at local neighborhoods to address their concerns, designing substantially fewer units as a concession.

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Jan burton: however,, a few neighbors, still object to something that achieves so much.

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Jan burton:, this project will alone deliver two thirds of boulders annual goal of affordable housing units and will decrease millions of vehicle miles. Traveled and millions of tons of co2.

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Jan burton:, the community benefit on this project is stunning, and we must look at it as an example of excellence in a boulder wide project. It's time to support something we have been idealising for years,. It addresses our middle income, housing plan or racial equity plan, and so much more.

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Jan burton:, this should be a template for future developments in boulder. Please approve this project as submitted. Thank you so much.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, jan I'm just going to remind folks if you could please state your name and address, for the record, when you start.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, worry call.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): lori, you can go ahead and start.

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Lori call: jane, can you hear me. yeah. lori, call:, okay, great hi, I'm lori call senior director of policy programs at the boulder chamber, 2440 pearl street.

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Lori call: I've had the privilege of serving on the east folders sub community working group for the past two years.

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Lori call:, I'm not speaking on behalf of the working group, but as part of it,. I have heard important feedback related to the area.

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Lori call:, we have 17,000 jobs in each folder, but only 466 people living there, because there aren't housing, options.

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Lori call:, when I talked to people along the path many mentioned, that they work nearby and would love to live in the area,, but instead commuting from lafayette and longmont, because they can't afford boulder..

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Lori call: water gives us a chance to improve our carbon footprint, by reducing their commutes.

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Lori call: and it strategically located off of arapahoe, so will further support our environmental goals by leveraging the additional transit improvements plan for that corridor.

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Lori call: I've heard from young professionals that boulder needs a hip new area with reasonable housing prices. Many our ceo alumni, like folks, we already heard from this evening.

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Lori call:, who are we're fortunate to find jobs in town they've graduated for more modest group housing options on the hill,, but can afford to live downtown.

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Lori call:, they are the nurses who work at boulder community hospital, the scientists from ball, the small business work for us from the father's business park,, who we want to retain as older residents.

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Lori call:: this provides them with homes that they develop even deeper roots in our community.

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Lori call: water view provides housing opportunities for those earlier in their careers. Looking for the chance to live and work in these folder.

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Lori call: its housing for young couples and growing families, its housing for a more inclusive community, reflective of a more diverse economic spectrum.

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Lori call: builder was recently ranked the seventh most expensive housing market in the country. Let's provide more housing options for our workforce to ensure our residents reflect the inclusive, diverse community,, to which we aspire.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, lori. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Next up is matt. Benjamin will be followed by kurt nordbank lucy conklin, scott sternberg and mary beth belling cat, okay, so.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, let me see if I can get you unmuted.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, now,. You should be able to be yourself.

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Matt benjamin:, can you hear me.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): go ahead.

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Matt benjamin:, my name is matt benjamin. I live in a 2395 vaster drive in boulder. Thank you planning board for the talk on this and the conversation and.

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Matt benjamin: your service to our community, I'm speaking to you today and supportive, the water,, if you project,, this represents a great opportunity to take action towards our stated community goals and commitments to affordable and medium income. Housing.

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Matt benjamin: reimagining, east arapahoe is a critical step for boulder to meet our needs of today and tomorrow.

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Matt benjamin:, whatever you meet a ton of criteria from our boulder valley, comp plan to our transportation, master plan, our east arapahoe transportation plan and the ongoing work of the east folder sub. Community. Working group.-.

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Matt benjamin:, this project has clearly met and, in many cases exceeded the requirements in the needs of boulder.

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Matt benjamin: now is the time to abandon our historical, exclusionary, housing policies and be the inclusive community that we want to be.

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Matt benjamin:, as we aim to reduce traffic and miles driven through thoughtful transportation and roadway designs,. We also strive to lessen our carbon footprint and build sustainable and climate focused housing and buildings.

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Matt benjamin:: we can start to step into that future now by moving forward with this project.

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Matt benjamin:, whatever you aligns with many of our community values and goals, specifically addressing our jobs, housing and balance by being located in close proximity to to have boulders largest employers.

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Matt benjamin:. It also fosters diversity and inclusion through mixed use and affordability.

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Matt benjamin: by building housing along a major transit corridor,, which is difficult to impossible and most other parts of boulder due to them already being built. Out.

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Matt benjamin:, the challenges of housing and transportation in boulder are real and, in many ways, difficult and you all know,. This firsthand.

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Matt benjamin:: let's rise to the challenges and stay focused on the vision of our future,, because if we can't do it here, it begs the question: can we do it? Anywhere.

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Matt benjamin:, I asked that we seize the moment and the opportunity that comes,, but once in a generation or two,, where we get to reinvent a vision for both transportation and housing for a large portion of our community,. Thank you for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you, man.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, card. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, is our next speaker. cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): current. You can go ahead and unmute.

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Kurt nordback:, her know back 777 hundred would have new speaking just for myself, tonight.

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Kurt nordback: I'd like to express my support for this project,. This is an appropriate place for higher intensity housing, housing given proximity to transit on arapahoe and the south pole to prepare.

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Kurt nordback:, it's also consistent with the general intent of the east folder sub community planning process. Neighbors have been opposed, in part because of concern over parking still grant old did.

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Kurt nordback:, based on the amount of parking being provided,. I think this is an unjustified fear. They have also suggested that people walking and biking on old to will be endangered by park. Cars.

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Kurt nordback:, as someone who uses the street regularly for both walking and biking. I disagree completely. The water you residence where to park on old tale,, which again I doubt that would in fact calm traffic.

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Kurt nordback:, it's unfortunately due to external pressure,, the amount of housing was reduced and the tallest building in the project is now the parking structure.

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Kurt nordback: nonetheless,, I feel it meets the site in use, review criteria and the parking reduction meets the site review criteria of adequately accommodating the demand. Older desperately needs additional housing,. Please follow the staff recommendation and boat to approve this project.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thanks kurt next up would be lucy conklin, but I'm not seeing lucy in the list lucy if you're there under a different name,. Please shoot me a message in the chat and we'll queue up next and then after that is scott. Sternberg.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): scott,, you can go ahead and unmute.

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Scott sternberg: thank you,. My name is scott sternberg, I'm the executive director and boulder economic council,, which is the economic vitality on the boulder chamber, 2443.

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Scott sternberg: fourth,. I want to thank the planning board for allowing us to speak and comments tonight,. I wanted to comment, a little bit about. It's been my privilege, to.

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Scott sternberg: speak to local businesses and the community and community leaders over the past month, as we've been in during the pandemic, and one of the themes that we've.

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Scott sternberg: heard very strong and very long, is that going forward boulder need to create strong and inclusive recovery,, and I think many of the topics and many of the.

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Scott sternberg: points that were discussed tonight speak exactly to the postal truck and the influences aspect of what we need to do, going forward evolved over.

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Scott sternberg:, the quantitative information related to the 60,000 plus commuters that come into bolton every game to work.

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Scott sternberg:, not only does that have a climate impact and sustainability and back,. It also has a very real economic in.

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Scott sternberg: that we've seen now with remote working as those communities have not been coming into the boulder area, we've seen a decline in retail sales, tax.

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Scott sternberg: so, as we recover and as we invest in more housing such that employees can both live and work in boulder. We certainly will have an economic couple and.

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Scott sternberg:, then a qualitative perspective,. We also hear from businesses that they need to be able to effectively sorts talent and forth that talent locally for was drawn into the workforce.

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Scott sternberg: and having another community that is close to the flight aren't unique. The vendor community business park is very important to be able to create a vibrant work and play environment,. Thank you very much for your work and.

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Scott sternberg: thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you scott,. Our next few speakers will be mary, beth, filling filling kent eric bud, thomas bull coulson, linda spillman and gary sprung, so mary beth, I think I saw two entries for you,, so I will try to unmute this first one mary beth. You can try to go ahead.

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Marybeth vellequette: hi there, thank you,. My name is mary beth fella cat, and I am one of the dangers that has been so disparagingly spoken about this evening.

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Marybeth vellequette:, but I hope to let you know that 1510 old tale, roads, and I want to let you know that I am in favor- of the development of this parcel of land.

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Marybeth vellequette:, as long as it conforms to the city of boulders own zoning and development, guidelines.

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Marybeth, vellequette: and development of this property overall is going to be a very big improvement east folder and is going to provide some clearly needed. Housing.

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Marybeth vellequette: options,, particularly to the order affordable units. My concerns,, which I outlined in my letter to the planning board center around infrastructure.

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Marybeth vellequette: and,, given the time constraints of tonight, I'm going to focus on just one point,, and that is my concern with the use of a single access. Point.

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Marybeth vellequette: from the development on to an already congested state highway. The proposal for this property has 317 units.

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Marybeth vellequette: 15,000 commercial square feet of commercial space,, which means around 400 to 750 people on site at any given time. It's unfathomable to me that safety standards could allow a project of this size,. Only one access point,, particularly in an area that's prone to flooding.,.

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Marybeth vellequette:, it's not a stretch to imagine stranding 500 people in the next flood or in the event of a major traffic incident.

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Marybeth vellequette:, the problem is solvable and it has been addressed a little bit. Tonight.

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Marybeth vellequette: by building a bridge over the creek to the northeast, linking the development to the intersection at arapahoe and cherry vale..

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Marybeth vellequette:, which would provide two points of access to the development,. There are other bridges over the creek,, including one for the existing railroad.

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Marybeth vellequette: and I think it's crucial for the safety of both the people on who travel arapahoe every day,, as well as the residents, that we have to access points to this. Development..

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Marybeth vellequette:, I urge the city to require a second access point as a condition for project approval and not to allow the parcel to the east of the.

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Marybeth vellequette: development to be subdivided out which would probably preclude any future access to the main site, if it was determined that a later date, that it was critical, that's all I have tonight. I do thank you for the time and I would like the city to consider a second access point to the development..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thank you,, mary beth next step is eric bud eric you may unmute.

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Eric budd: thanks eric, but I live in the mango mentor, cooperative and boulder.

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Eric budd:, I'm, the campaign, chair of bedrooms, are for people and,. Although this project is not directly relevant to our campaign,. I want to talk about some of the similarities.

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Eric budd: and nearly all parts of boulder it's illegal to live with more than three related people. It doesn't matter whether or not you on your home or renting with other housemates.

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Eric budd: doesn't matter how big the home is, or how much potential housing that that house could offer and we're working to change that law to allow at least one person to live in each bedroom. Home.

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Eric budd:, so one of these arguments of hold exclusionary occupancy what it is that people say it would cause impacts in the neighborhood.

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Eric budd: that mean that normally means traffic or parking or other concerns, and because of this perceived concern, the city denies people their first amendment right to decide who they want to live with,, and so this situation has a direct parallel on new housing developments like water, view.

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Eric budd:, so we have a development that we provide housing for hundreds of people and at least 25%, affordable and we're talking about all housing types. We're talking, about.

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Eric budd: efficiencies studios, what bedroom? Two bedroom? Three bedroom units,, which is,, which is truly remarkable; and the fact that it's also.

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Eric budd:, the affordable units are integrated with the market rate is incredible. I'm really impressed by that.

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Eric budd: and so,- all I wanted to say is that I think there are some some concerns that the neighbors have brought.

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Eric budd: and those should really be looked at,, but we can't we can't block or reduce the scale of housing,. That is desperately needed.

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Eric budd: over these concerns,, we just need to work to find solutions for them,, so I,. I fully support the wider view project. It's a good project in a place that has massive potential for good transit and a lot more housing is that could also let people work with in boulder. Thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Thank you. Eric next up is thomasville carson.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): tom, you may go ahead and unmute.

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Tom volckhausen: hi, I'm tumble coulson and I'm speaking for myself,, but I'm also speaking as a member of the sierra club.

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Tom volckhausen:, the indian peaks group and we voted to send a letter in support of this project and I'm hoping all the planning board members saw our letter.

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Tom volckhausen: oh, by the way, I live at 2636 history in boulder.

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Tom volckhausen:, this project is exactly what.

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Tom volckhausen:, this year, a club national, the kind of proud,. This is exactly the kind of project that the sierra club, national infill guidelines would support.

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Tom volckhausen: and tom volckhausen: we're the sierra club as well aware that.

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Tom volckhausen:, efficient urban design that supports walking biking and reduces automobile dependence is a major strategy for addressing climate change.

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Tom volckhausen:, the city of boulder, has declared a climate emergency and I feel that creating compact housing alternatives that support 15 minute neighborhoods within the city is critical.

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Tom volckhausen: to actually dealing with a climate, emergency and water view, and it is an example of a kind of project that does address climate change..

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Tom volckhausen:, I think it's one project and it's one step in the right. Direction,. Not only does planning board need to approve the water room, view project,, but we need to make opportunities for more compact, walkable neighborhoods type developments like whatever you across boulder.

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Tom volckhausen:, we recently were discussing racial and economic equity in boulder,, and this is a kind of project that will allow.

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Tom volckhausen:, a wider diversity of people to be able to live in boulder and not commute long distances from distant communities. Thanks.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you, tom next up is linda spellman.,.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): under you can go ahead and unmute.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, linda you can, you can go ahead and unmute there you go. Oh you got it.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you can start.

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Linda spillmann: hi there can you hear me.

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again., linda spillmann:, great hi everyone,. My name is linda spillman. I live at 703, columbia, avenue and I've lived in boulder for over 20 years. Nine years ago I started a company called fabricate.

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Linda spillmann: we're a small fabric, boutique and crafts studio located on east end of pearl street,. I have a staff of between five and 15 employees,, depending on the season.

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Linda spillmann: over the years, I would get roughly half of my has not been able to afford to live in boulder.

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Linda spillmann:, I wanted to share the perspective of small business owner who works closely with middle and lower income. Earners.

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Linda spillmann: employees who live in boulder, ideally within walking and biking distance, to work, offer many advantages and I'll just name. A few first they're willing to work shorter shifts because they can easily zip over to the shop fabricate offers lots of one hour. Private instruction and.

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Linda spillmann:, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I literally have employees who drive from longmont and broomfield once a week for a one hour, private lesson and then turn around and drive. Home.

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Linda spillmann: employees who live in in the city, colon sick, less frequently due to weather and transportation, related issues and they're consistently more punctual because they don't have to deal with unforeseen traffic. Issues.

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Linda spillmann:, they don't leave their shift to move. They don't have to leave the shift to move their cars, after the three hour time limit in the surrounding neighborhood.

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Linda spillmann:, they don't compete for one of our two tandem alec parking spots and I could go on and on,, but I just want to emphasize that water view offers many amenities,, that my staff would love,, such as proximity to a bike. Path.

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Linda spillmann:, with easy access to downtown a community garden, electric bikes, eco pass and a swimming pool.

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Linda spillmann:, so to sum up,, I just want to urge the planning board to to not let our community miss this opportunity.

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Linda spillmann: to provide inclusive, high quality,, affordable housing for boulders, teachers, nurses and retail and other service workers and vote in favor of the water view. Community. Thanks for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thanks linda.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Next, on the list,, I have gary strong,, but I am not seeing gary list of a nice.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): gary, if you're here under a different,, please let me chat so our next few speakers, janet timer, regina sarah, goes to fray jack token ryan, ryan, bionic, eric maxfield. So next up will be.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): janet. You can go ahead and unmute.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, um.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. I may be having internet issues, I'm hoping not too badly.

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Janet heimer: there, yes, get there,. I am now,. Thank you. I'm jana timer. I live at.

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Janet heimer: bluff street in boulder, and I am supporting the water view, housing,, because I think that there is a lack of housing for moderate and middle income. Families.

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Janet heimer: and I, in order for boulder to meet its planned to reduce emissions and protect our environment, it's necessary to build housing, where people who work in boulder can actually live in boulder.

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Janet heimer:, the water view, location, is perfect on many levels in that it's near the creek path and the bus lines,, so that there's an easy commute without having to drive the homes are going to be beautiful. Energy, efficient and well maintained, because that's how the city does their housing.

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Janet heimer:, I would like there to be less efficiency, housing or apartments in this complex, though, and more one,, two and three bedrooms. If that can be addressed.

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Janet heimer: I've lived in boulder for more than 50 years and every time affordable housing is proposed in a neighborhood. There is lots of opposition just because there's opposition to a proposal doesn't mean it shouldn't, be approved.

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Janet heimer:: we need to look at the broader needs of the community and do what is right.

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Janet heimer:, I'm sure that there is probably some fear in the neighborhoods close by that are opposed to this, and a lot of those we hear over the years. I have any way.

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Janet heimer:, when I've gone to these kinds of meetings in the past, I'm not sure what the fear is,. But I know it's not really about noise crime or increased traffic.

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Janet heimer: because,, if you look at other successful projects over the last 20 years,, these issues are unfounded, and I know my time is up.

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Janet heimer: I just like to close by saying, those of you opposed to this housing who live in boulder now,. You know how expensive it is to live here. Don't deny someone else. The opportunity to live here, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you janet next up is regina.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, saragossa regina, you can go ahead and unmute.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her):, hey, can you hear me.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, again, great.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her): um hi, my name is tina, said I've also fry and I am a resident of boulder, as well as a current master students at cu law. School.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her):, I am originally from mexico. Put my family has been living in boulder since I was 11 years, old.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her):, I currently work at floor nature experience,, which is located on 63rd street, close to where this project is being built.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her):, but I'm here, speaking on on my person in my personal capacity,, and that is a representative of my organization.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her):, I'm asking you to to support this project, because, as you know,. There is a huge lack of affordable housing in boulder in all in order to promote equity and diversity in boulder,, we need to address housing as part of the conversation.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her):, if we want more people of color to move to boulder and diversified the majority white population, this project is a great step in the right direction,. Speaking as a student of color living in boulder. I support this project.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her): and that's all I have, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, to hear regina, regina um next step would be jack.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, seeing jack on the list of jack of your here under a different name,. Please let me know.

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Regina zaragoza (she/her): in the chat and we'll. regina, zaragoza (she/her):, maybe up. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. After that we have ryan phonic.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Here we go ryan,, you can go ahead.

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Ryan bonick: thanks hi, my name is ryan bionic and I live at 3120 pearl parkway and I just like to thank the board members, for your time. I'm not really one for public speaking. It honestly terrifies me.

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Ryan bonick:, but I care a lot about housing and this housing project and the positive impacts that will have on boulder. I strongly support the construction.

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Ryan bonick: because it provides boulder with a great opportunity to live out its ideals: inclusive city, environmental, stewardship and multiple usable modes of transportation..

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Ryan bonick:, I care a lot about these ideals,, which is why I care a lot about what have you.

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Ryan bonick: for inclusive at the water view, construction includes onsite, permanently, affordable, units, above and beyond the minimum requirements right alongside and next to market rate, housing.

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Ryan bonick:. This ensures that people of all economic statuses are able to live in boulder and it can help improve the abysmal lack of diversity in boulder as historical racism has led to disproportionate representation of people of color and lower economic classes..

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Ryan bonick: second, on environmental impact,. The addition of more housing in boulder will help reduce the amount of incoming commuters. Every morning.

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Ryan bonick: now,, obviously 317 units will barely make a dent in the. I think it's like 60,000 daily commuters that boulder has,, but every bit counts. Let's reduce the amount of vehicle miles and the corresponding emissions.

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Ryan bonick: finally,, one of us proximity to the boulder path network and the jump butts will allow residents to additionally reduce their climate footprint.

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Ryan bonick: by utilizing alternative forms of transportation, instead of having to drive everywhere, how they could even go carefree. I'm asking the planning board to live by the ideals we espouse as a city and support this development, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thanks ryan.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):. Okay, next up is eric maxfield.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): eric you can go ahead.

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Eric maxfield: thank you hi, I'm eric maxfield. I work at 3223, arapahoe avenue and I'm past, chair of the boulder shelter for the homeless and I'm a current attorney.

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Eric maxfield: working on fair housing, innovation, defense in boulder county courts.

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Eric maxfield:, I am, writing I'm sorry. I'm appearing.

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Eric maxfield: in support of the water view proposal in my personal capacity, but my personal capacities, informed by my experience,, in particular, with the boulder shelter for the homeless.

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Eric maxfield: boulder as a city and, as a community, is very generous in its support of services for those without homes, and we work to provide housing for the most vulnerable among us, but..

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Eric maxfield:, we do also need to have a concern for the staff and social workers who support our homeless community. Where do they live.

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Eric maxfield:, it's my experience that many staff and social workers in our community need to live out of the city, just to be able to afford housing.

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Eric maxfield:, but I think that boulder is a better,, more compassionate, more diverse place when we can have affordable housing for those.

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Eric maxfield: individuals who support and nurture our community, so I'm hoping that you'll keep that in mind,. As you consider, this proposal continue to support, adding to boulders, affordable housing and support this project, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Thank you eric our next piece. Speakers are joanne simonton perry shape, hello, sarah don hayes, haines tila doin mark strangle.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): joanne. Let me get you unmuted.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and you should be able to unmute and go ahead.

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Joanne simenson: yes,, my name is joanne assignments in I live in southeast folder. I'm opposed to residential uses on this industrial site, as proposed, because of the traffic access and parking plans in the very tall buildings.

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Joanne simenson:, the traffic study is weak and flawed is snow, traffic counts were taken at the. U turn site, and it is based on declining traffic on arapahoe.

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Joanne simenson:, but see that says there will be more traffic proposing a traffic plan that is a free for all of you turns and costings over lanes is insane and dangerous.

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Joanne simenson: the single access point in the separate access point for fire. Trucks are both on arapaho, which both will be flooded out and close down in a flood similar to 2013 flood.

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Joanne simenson: the residents will be trapped and unsafe. This bad plan offers no alternative routes and no connections with other properties,. Please require a good traffic. Mitigating plan, have you seen cherry veil intersection with a bridge over the creek cherry veil, remained open in the 2013 flood.

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Joanne simenson: this site has poor our tv services,. There are no nearby grocery stores in no all purpose. Retail stores car uses needed so car parking spots are also needed.

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Joanne simenson: the developer offers little parking, so there will be parking overflow south of arapaho, where the streets are narrow and they are also multi-use pass. The streets and multi use past will be unsafe for everyone.

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Joanne simenson: for the building heights with the soil, fell, have more than 10 feet. Deep, the proposed extra high buildings will appear 50 to 65 feet, high,, which is way out of character,. Please have the courage to to deny this plan and vote no, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you. Joanne next up is perry, shape, hello.

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Peri shaplow: hi there,, my name is perry chappelow and I have lived in boulder as a renter for five years,. I currently live at two nine north.

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Peri shaplow:, I'm also the board president of mother house, but I'm here in my personal capacity.

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Peri shaplow:, I am very much in support of the water view project for a number of reasons,, but I love the housing opportunity that this creates for the hospital.

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Peri shaplow:, our nurses and other hospital staff are the backbone of our community, and we surely felt that this past year, more than ever,. They deserve the opportunity to live, where they work and I'm happy to see that this project has the ability to help them do just that. Thank you. So much.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Thank you very next step is sarah don haines.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, sarah dawn, you may go ahead and. unmute.

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Sarahdawn haynes:, thank you hello,. My name is sarah don haskins and I live at 1210, lehigh street, and I am.

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Sarahdawn haynes: a 17 year, renter in the same spot, and it's given me a lot of perspective about building a career and a life here in boulder, and I am a member of the bedrooms- are for people team, working, on.

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Sarahdawn haynes: changing.

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sarahdawn haynes: our use of existing housing stock to use it better and I'm also on the executive committee with tom of the indian peak sierra club, we.

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Sarahdawn haynes: are leaning into decades of housing, comprehensive studies.

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Sarahdawn haynes:, I'm holding the city of boulders resiliency strategy that was published in 2016.

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Sarahdawn haynes:, I was part of the hundred resilient cities, training.

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Sarahdawn haynes: I'm also., sarahdawn haynes:, surrounded by books, around.

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Sarahdawn haynes: mobilizing to save civilization, and I have many articles and tweets of dr julian argument,, who writes prolifically around the connections between improving.

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Sarahdawn haynes: our communities through the potential and sharing and cities to decrease any quality and increase social capital and to cut resource use.

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Sarahdawn haynes:: these resources are available, for.

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Sarahdawn haynes:, you know all of our community to review and to understand that this is what borders about and what will help our community be.

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Sarahdawn haynes: resilient into the future,. Thank you for your time on this and all the city staffs work. It's been great presentation.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,. Sarah don next up is tila.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, tequila and probably saying your name wrong and I apologize. I should know better.

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Tila duhaime: banking. You should know better to do him.

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Tila duhaime:, I live at 2021 fourth street and I'm extremely lucky that I live within easy walking and biking distance to downtown.

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Tila duhaime:, I recognize that not everybody has that luxury that I wish that they did.

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Tila duhaime:, I have worked in the transportation urban design space for about 15 years now, and I have long advocated for the kind of housing.

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Tila duhaime: that the water you development is designed to be it's accessible,, affordable, sustainable, it's it's not just housing,, but it's thoughtfully placed along a busy and burgeoning transit and employment. Corridor.

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Tila duhaime:, it incorporates the kind of mixed use place, making that we need more of. We need mixed use. Well cited development like this to be the next best thing to doing infill in neighborhoods, like mine,, where we already have a stable of businesses that meet our daily or weekly needs for residence.

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Tila duhaime: developments like water view and enable people to live near where they work or shop or recreate instead of driving elsewhere.

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Tila duhaime: the permanently affordable units,. They are desperately needed,. We all agree on that,, but even the market rate units they're likely to be much more within reach for lower income. Lower carbon footprint, families.

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Tila duhaime:, this will likely help fill a void in housing options for both young adults, who will lack the resources to buy homes and sprawling single family neighborhoods.

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Tila duhaime:, as well as for adults, who are aging and no longer want big houses, were big yards to maintain.

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Tila duhaime: people who,, like my neighbors, who are starting to be more reliant on on their own neighbors, to help them out and don't want to live in assisted living,, or at least not. Yet. A permanent wave is ideal for all kinds of people.

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Tila duhaime: are low income, housing crunch and boulder is distressing and water view is a terrific option to include in a range of housing types available in boulder.

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Tila duhaime:, it's a great alternative to our monoculture of single family homes that are placed far away from the places that people need to go.

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Tila duhaime:, our old zoning and planning and transportation patterns are deeply problematic and we've committed in a range of community plans that slow described to do better for future generations, by supporting projects like this.

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Tila duhaime:, it is time to get started,. I urge you to approve the proposal tonight, and finally, the planning board,. Thank you for all your service and harmon. We will miss you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thanks tila. Okay. Next up, I have mark strangle, but I'm not seeing mark on the list at the moment,. So our next few speakers are bill: williams, tom courson, brad, peterson, craig ferraro and barbara corcoran..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): so mark if you're here under a different name, shoot me oh okay, mark in boulder. Okay, I'm thinking that mark and boulder is mark strangle mark. If you could confirm your full name and address, I will.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you should be able to unmute now.

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Mark in boulder co: okay.

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Mark in boulder co: hear me, this is mark stangl and I live with 4738 mckinley a 43 year resident and boulder. I've really seen it grow and.

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Mark in boulder co:, I came into this presentation, with a lot of questions and most of them were answered very well, and I was very pleased with the presentation,. I was just moved into east boulder just at the advent of a flood and.

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Mark in boulder co: and,, like many of us,, I just kind of hunker down and took care of my own business,. But then later I learned much more about what happened during the flood, and I was very concerned. About.

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Mark in boulder co: the water view area, when I first learned about it because it was the ground, was raised, there,, possibly displacing water, to increase the water level in other areas,. Should there be a future flood event? I was also.

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Mark in boulder co: very concerned about.

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Mark in boulder co: the fact that the water river bed ran through the golf course originally historically and that I don't think that we really know what's going to happen when the next flood event occurs. So.

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Mark in boulder co:, then I learned more about the water redevelopment. I looked at this. This whale that was.

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Mark in boulder co: intended to bring water around into the pond, but then I wondered,, where does the water go when it reaches the pond,? And so I think there's some engineering questions that are remaining.

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Mark in boulder co:, I've also have concerns about the traffic,. I know that the wrap up traffic is very high, and that the eastbound to westbound transition is going to be very difficult for residence. I am.

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Mark in boulder co: an engineer and I've been working in for the city with the city of boulder as a rental housing inspector for over 20 years and very familiar with many housing issues, and I understand the desire to have more housing, thank you..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thank you,, mark.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): day is everyone's still seeing my timer okay.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thanks us, okay, great mark all right next up will be bill williams,. This is william williams,. You may unmute.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): bill,, you can go ahead.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, seeing the name william williams. and.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, asking to unmute.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, I'm.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): bill. If you're there, you can please try to unmute and,. If not we'll come back to you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, I'm going to keep moving I'm after bill williams will be tom, courson.

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William williams: okay, wait, am I unmuted.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you are, you can go ahead.

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William williams: finally,, okay, sorry about that,, but I live within 600 feet of the water view, property and I agree with most everything. That's been said about the need for housing,, especially affordable housing. When I came here in 1984.

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William williams:, as a young, orthopedic surgeon,, you know I could afford a house,, because I sold a starter house in the twin cities.

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William williams: and even in 1965, though,, when my senior partner came, the staff had to find a place in broomfield or longmont or lewisville, where they could afford a house with.

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William williams:, you know, a quarter acre or an eighth of an acre, a small yard for the dog and the kids and parking for themselves, because usually both adults worked and then later parking for their kids..

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William williams:, my problem with building at the water view site is it's right in the middle of the floodplain and it flooded in 2013.

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William williams:, it flooded at a later time than we flooded along old tale, gapped or cherry veil and along 55th street and back into the west valley, because of blocked pipes. By.

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William williams: previous owners of water view at iraq, arapahoe dicing, the property so that water was impounded by arapahoe road and backed up south through the west valley.

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William williams: and I believe this property will flood again in the near future, and there is a poor access to get out because the road, when water spills over arapahoe road will block the access for people coming out so that's,. The reason I believe nothing should be built, other than a park at the site.

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William williams:, that's it.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you, bill. Okay, next up is tom courson.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): tom, you may unmute and go ahead.

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Tom corson: unmute, okay come on there.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): yes,, you are.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, hello, hello. tom corson: okay,, my name is, of course.

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Tom corson:, I'm a retired cpa. I live on a hill road topic is water view, traffic problems that can be correct.

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Tom corson: please follow along on your rap whole avenue math during mr chicagoans presentation on february, 11 came to my attention that the proposed traffic plan.

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Tom corson: causes a very dangerous situation and a seriously flawed in order to exit the water view, property go east,, one has to go west.

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Tom corson:, while going western arapaho one, was cross three lanes of traffic going at least 45 miles per hour to merge into the. U turn lane to go back to the east,, all within 100 yards.

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Tom corson:, to complete the? U turn one must cross to eastbound lanes and will probably also have to use the shoulder.

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Tom corson: traffic is traveling east at 45 miles per hour and prior to covert. There were seldom an opening for you turn to maneuver. A u turn under these circumstances, is extremely dangerous and create a hazard situation on arapaho.

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Tom corson: next traveling traffic traveling east on arapaho and trying to enter the water view. Project from the west will have to compete with the help of vehicles. Excellent old tale, turning west onto arapahoe, existing old tale, exiting old tale and trying to go west is already a difficult task.

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Tom corson:, this dangerous traffic pattern lend support to adopt the original pod that shows the ingress and egress to 5801 or apo to be from cherry vale. The a traffic bridge over south older pre.

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Tom corson:, using cherry vale, would eliminate the profound negative traffic impact of the proposed traffic plan if the developer is indeed out of the floodplain.

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Tom corson: a bridge is now feasible,. The bridge will cost the developer money but will create a safer environment for everyone.

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Tom corson:, if their developer is truly interested in working with the neighborhood and public,, as mr shakin stated in so collar, should correct the dangerous problem being created. I'm asking you, the planning board to address the traffic problems,. Thank you for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you, tom. Okay. Next up is brad.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): brad, you can go ahead.

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Brad peterson:, can you hear me okay.

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Brad peterson: yeah, all right,. Thank you for ship is brad peterson. I live at 1457 old tale, road.

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Brad peterson:, the argument we were hearing this evening is all water. Your opponents are nimbys and water view should be.

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Brad peterson: should be adopted because of the number of affordable housing units,. It is simply not true that the people who live on old tale and astronomy neighborhood are all nimbys who are opposed to affordable housing.

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Brad peterson:, the opposition to water view, is that the project is too tall is incompatible with the surrounding areas.

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Brad peterson:- and there are too many externalities that are caused it to be borne by the surrounding neighborhoods.

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Brad peterson:, because what have you is extraordinarily tall, indentured as many units and because at least 25% of the units are required before affordable that results in at affordable units.

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Brad peterson:, that's great if the project is consistent with the ball and municipal code, with the bbc k- and there are other community rules that we have all adopted.

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Brad peterson:, but you don't ignore the community based values in the bbc k and all the code, simply because of project has affordable housing, that is,. You don't start by looking at the number of affordable units and then ignore all of the criteria that are controlling.

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Brad peterson:, the planning board members have agreed to make criteria based decisions,. What are examples of the controlling criteria that we have all adopted.

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Brad peterson: another code, nine to 14. The outcome is demonstrate that the height of the buildings is in general proportion to the height of existing buildings and that the project relates well to the existing buildings. In the immediate context.

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Brad peterson: there's nothing higher than 35 feet. Anyone in this from areas nine of the 10 proposed water. Few buildings are an excessive 35 feet and one is 54 feet. Four inches: that's not consistent.!.

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Brad peterson:, there is no reason to grant zeljko of variance it's doing nothing more than providing the bare minimum,. Even though I promise 40%.

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Brad peterson: in the land use review is produced that to 25% now, and there is nothing in the bull valley, comprehensive plan, guiding principles that it's satisfying,. Thank you for your time and appreciate your your courtesies.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,. Our next few speakers are craig ferghana, barber courson.

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Dr. cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, dan williams and gordon mccurry, so craig you're up next,. Let me get you unmuted, you should be. You should be ready to go.

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Craig ferraro: yes, can. Can you hear me.

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Craig ferraro: we can craig ferraro 1711 bluebell avenue. I teach graduate level courses on real estate at the lead school of business.

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Craig ferraro:, one of my classes attends the planning board or c council meeting every year.

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Craig ferraro: for those of you on the board for a few years,, you may remember my class and immediate constrain. The changing use of the cabinet should talk with.

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Craig ferraro:, two years ago, we heard about the removal of an overlay limiting development on the lower hill area. This year,, you heard about martha house.

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Craig ferraro: and the debrief on the overlay discussion, a student told me he didn't understand, something.

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Craig ferraro:, the city of boulder, wants more housing,. Why does it make it so difficult to allow more housing to be built? It led to some interesting discussion on supply and demand in zoning policy.

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Craig ferraro:, so I'm here to ask you the same question,. We know that boulder needs more housing,. Why are we making it so difficult to have more housing built water view is an opportunity to build more housing.

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Craig ferraro: other speakers will talk about what water view will bring to boulder. I want to talk about one asset of water view which that can be overlooked, a great development team.

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Craig ferraro: and that david soccer over 30 years ago, when I moved to denver, and although we don't see each other very often as real estate professional, I have followed what david and socolow community development have accomplished in building both market rate and affordable, housing.

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Craig ferraro: david is a developer, who does what he says he will do,, which we all know, is not the case with some developers.

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Craig ferraro: and from what I've seen the entire development team knows. Boulder has committed to develop a project which is great for the city and everybody who will live in water, view.

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Craig ferraro: they've had numerous meetings with neighbors and made significant modifications to their overall plan in response to those meetings.

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Craig ferraro:, so what I asked you now is to prove water view, as proposed is a great project that brings inclusion very affordable housing to boulder, while reducing traffic.

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Craig ferraro: and it would be developed by committed, experienced development team. Any city would love to have this combination. Let's get housing built in boulder thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Thank you craig. Okay. Next up is barbara course.

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Craig ferraro: see. cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): barbara. You should be able to go ahead.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, you hear me,, we can okay,. My name is barbara courson, I'm a 50 year resident of boulder and I've been a teacher for 30 years and I now retired and others on the tail road.

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Barbaracorson: to begin with,, the proposed water view project has approximately.

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Pb sarah silver: 15 acres of land,, of which only the front self 6.9 acres, are being proposed for the actual development of 317 dwelling.

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Barbaracorson:, my calculation shows a density of approximately 46 dwelling units per acre on the proposed buildable acreage and so call us presentation on february 11. Mr shotgun stated.

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Barbaracorson: mr shot can stay at a density of 21 to 22 dwelling units per acre. Why the discrepancy and density calculation,, since there is no development on the northeast portion of the land.

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Barbaracorson:, only 152 dwelling unit should be allowed on the buildable 6.9 acres.

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Barbaracorson: the proposed development of 317 dwelling units is not suitable for 6.9 acres. The development belongs on the entire 15 acres.

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Barbaracorson:, I am for affordable housing,, but it needs to be on 15 acres. Why wasn't the entire site used for the 317 units to achieve 21 units per acre,, as mr shotgun stated, for this site review? What is the true verifiable density of this development without wetlands.

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Barbaracorson:. My second objection is to sell college plans to reduce the city of boulder flood limits for high hazard and conveyance.

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Barbaracorson: in 2013, my home was flooded,, no one could access, my home and we were unable to leave the majority of the water from south boulder creek floodplain empties directly into 5801 arapahoe.

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Barbaracorson:, this proposed project would create a damaging effect,, increasing the flooding risk to the adjacent properties, to the west, east and south,. The proposed site has been denied development several times, since.

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Barbaracorson: 20 years ago, what has changed, other than four to 10 feet to filter, to elevate the development even higher.

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Barbaracorson:, the proposed development only creates a more dangerous situation for this entire area because of all the problems involved, 317 dwelling units are not suitable for 6.9 acres. I asked you to the planning board to please review the.

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Barbaracorson: these issues, and thank you for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,. Barbara next up is brian frey.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, there we go brian, you should be able to go ahead.

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Brian frey: great, can you hear me okay.

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Brian frey: hi, my name is brian fry. I am a young professional in the boulder community at 1975 30th street and I'm their voice. My support for.

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Brian frey:, this project, I for some folks, say that we can't look at affordable housing before considering the criteria, bring up the numbers and the.

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Brian frey: valley, comprehensive plan,, and I just want to give a point of clarification that the water view project needs more than 60 different provisions from the boulder valley, comprehensive plan.

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Brian frey: transportation, master plan and the climate commitment, but really what I'm here to talk about is the people,, the essential workers,, the backbone of the boulder economy.

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Brian frey:, these are folks that really are struggling to be in the boulder community and are forced elsewhere.

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Brian frey:, affordable housing is a crisis in our community, and I will support any project that will help us take strides to meeting or affordable housing goals in this project does that.

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Brian frey:, you know this project is already cut the affordable units by I believe it was 40% due to.

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Brian frey: opposition on this project,, but still there's quite a few affordable units that it can offer,, and I really believe we have to talk about the affordable housing component that this project brings first,, and that is why I support this project, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, brian.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Next up is dan williams.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): dan, you can go ahead.

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Dan williams:, thank you very much. I'm dan williams,. I live at 1375 redwood avenue in boulder.

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Dan williams: 1375 redwood is a single family house. I've lived here for about 15 years. When I moved to boulder it was expensive but still achievable. For.

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Dan williams: young ish professional, who wanted to come and bring his family here,, and that was an exciting possibility.

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Dan williams: and what we've heard in the last few years is: that's not the case for young professionals who want to move to boulder and what polar desperately needs his ways to make the reality that I have and many, many of the people.

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Dan williams: on this meeting, have had,, which is to have an affordable place to live and the water view project does that it does that, in an incredibly thoughtful way.

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Dan williams:, I'm at a point in life now, where I have a young adult children and I talked with them about where they would want to live and the sad reality is boulders, not a community. They could live. In.

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Dan williams:, because it's too expensive for someone just starting out to live in and that's reflected in boulders population, which is getting older and older and older..

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Dan williams: and if we want to make boulder to folders future, to be an inclusive place for people like we found it when we all moved here,, we need to support.

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Dan williams: different types of communities and the ones we moved into ie.

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Dan williams: single family housing is not going to be the future of boulder if boulder is going to have a diverse community,, including young people and old people and including.

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Dan williams: people of color, along with white people, just briefly one issue, we heard about, was water, both hydrology and in terms of flood issues, and I will say I was.

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Dan williams: really impressed with the presentation tonight,, which shows that these issues have been studied.

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Dan williams: fema has signed off on the flood issue and steve play did a great job explaining about hydrology.

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Dan williams:, that's the science of it,. I understand, there's some anecdotal views about what people saw,, but when science looks at it,, this is a project that is consistent with the the water interests in terms of flooding and hydrology. Thank you very much..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, dan. cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):. Okay, next up is gordon mccurry.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, gordon you.,.

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Gordon mccurry: hi, can you hear me. cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, we can. gordon mccurry: yes, hi. My name is gordon mccurry, I'm a professional hydrologist hired by some of the residents near the water view, property to look into hydrology issues. Now I'd like to touch upon three of those, this evening.

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Gordon mccurry:, the first is that time,. The first is that the model included in the.

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Gordon mccurry: lamar application report, which presumably was the report used in the modeling excluded any flows in the west valley,. The plumber itself might not accurately reflect flooding in the area.

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Gordon mccurry:, as we've heard and seen the what have you property was inundated in the 2013 flood and that's what is. It was less than 100 year, event.

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Gordon mccurry:, while the hundred year flood mapping shows the central part of the water view property to be dry, this further suggest that the current flood modeling is incorrect by not including west valley, flows.

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Gordon mccurry:, film or the us does not appear to recreate the historic patterns of flows from off site,. I encourage the planning board to verify the accuracy of the flood predictions in this regard.

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Gordon mccurry:, the second point is that the current development plans do not upscale the sanitary sewer main. This could put undue burden on the existing systems,. The utility report itself recommends sanitary sewer main to be upsize from a 36 to 42 inch diameter pipe,, but this is not in the plans.

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Gordon mccurry:, the third issue, is that the environmental side assessment report for the site states that assesses and we change field residuals, are both likely to exist. Insights, soils.

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Gordon mccurry: be should be investigated and remediated as part of the development, so that whatever you, construction, workers and residents are not exposed to these contaminants. Should this project be approved.

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Gordon mccurry:, thank you very much..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, gordon okay. Next up is.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, our next few speakers. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. We have stephen brandt, craig peterson, christopher cox, hannah george and benjamin holland. So next step will be stephen brand.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): stephen, you can go ahead.

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Stephen brant:, let's thank you. Stephen brandt 2195, king avenue.,.

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Stephen brant: and I'm also an investor in this project,, although I'm speaking on my for myself and not as a project representative.

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Stephen brant:, I think it's important to know. That.

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stephen brant:, a project like this in our town doesn't come along very often.

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Stephen brant:, and with at local investors supporting it,, I think it speaks to not only the needs that have been so eloquently described by others,, but also.

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Stephen brant: the opportunity that we have to leverage what we're fortunate to have in terms of a fairly well off population that looks at these opportunities and says.

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Stephen brant:, when we have something that checks off everything that boulders been talking about for the last 10 or more years, it's probably a good opportunity to get involved with and something we can be proud. Of.

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Stephen brant:, the project has everybody's, talked about his terms of the market in the affordable housing opportunities, supporting the employment, nice folder.

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Stephen brant:, the leed certification sustainability,, the integrated mass transit, the multi use trails, the multi use project with retail commercial, the decrease in ink commuting.

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Stephen brant:, I'm not sure we could create a list more thorough than this,, and I would strongly in, respectively, asked the planning board to approve our application and move this forward, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, stephen.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Next up I have craig peterson that I'm not seeing craig peterson on the list, craig. If you are here,, please shoot me a message in the chat and let me know if there's a different name that you're under after that we have christopher cox.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,, not seeing christopher cox,, I see a chris and I am not sure if that is christopher, cox.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,. I know I do see him george.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, so we'll go with george hannah. You can go ahead.

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Hannah george (she/her): hi, can you hear me.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, yeah. hannah george (she/her): okay, great, thank you so much planning board and your staff, for instance, for your service to our community,. My name is hannah george and I live at 4665 ingram court in boulder.

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Hannah george (she/her):, I am a farm worker, volunteer, snow shoveling for elders, a native plant gardner, an avid hiker and your biracial neighbor, who would benefit from affordable housing.

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Hannah george (she/her): boulder and, frankly,, the entire nation, needs more affordable housing that moves us closer to the inclusive, vibrant, sustainable future that we need.

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Hannah george (she/her):, the proposed water view project is attractive, inviting an ideal for creating a diverse, sustainable and wonderful community.

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Hannah george (she/her): water view is within biking distance of both organic farms and urban amenities. Isn't that the boulder dream, it sure is mine.

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Hannah george (she/her): well,, I lament the decrease of affordable units from what was originally proposed,. I applaud the project as a step in the right direction for more folks to enjoy all that boulder has to offer with smart, very habitable density.

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Hannah george (she/her):, it seems like we all agree on building more affordable housing, let's stop outsourcing affordable housing to other communities and force the central workers to commute from the communities and start building water view and other affordable housing in boulder. Thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, hannah.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,. I think we've got a few of the next speakers are not here either, so I'm not seeing benjamin holland who's next on the list.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): or caleb shelf.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,, I see.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): amanda, stark rankin's.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Here we go so amanda, I'm wondering if that's one of these other names.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, benjamin holland or craig peterson ah,, then holland,. I see all right amanda or been under amanda there. You go,, you should be able to let go now.

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Amanda stark-rankins:, all right,. Can you hear me.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, we can.

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Amanda stark-rankins: all right,, wonderful, sorry about that! So yeah! My name is ben holland. I'm a boulder resident I've lived here for over 10 years and I work at the environmental nonprofit rocky mountain institute or are my.

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Amanda stark-rankins: I'm in support of this project,, because it is very much in keeping with the views and priorities.

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Amanda stark-rankins: of our minds urban transformation team,, which is a team that, among many things, is focused on reducing emissions by reducing dependence on automobiles and improving the way we design our communities.

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Amanda stark-rankins:, so many of our peers in the climate community are waking up to a realization that, in order to address climate change,, we must rethink the way we design our communities.

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Amanda stark-rankins:, to put it bluntly, there's simply no pathway to meeting our climate goals if we do not embrace an alternative to the status quo,, which has been auto centric housing and development. Policies.

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Amanda stark-rankins: that more or less require people to own a vehicle and put undue burden on those who cannot afford to own a vehicle.

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Amanda stark-rankins: transportation, of course, is the largest source of emissions in colorado and in the us.

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Amanda stark-rankins: and while technologies like electric vehicles, will play a critical role in addressing those missions,. We still need to reduce vehicle miles. Traveled.

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Amanda stark-rankins: and in fact our teams analysis analysis, shows that, under the even under the most optimistic electric vehicle adoption scenarios will thought fall far short.

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Amanda stark-rankins: of our climate goals, unless we reduce bmt and as bill holic, you mentioned earlier, the project. This project prevent or provides tremendous bmt reduction that benefits compared to the status quo.

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Amanda stark-rankins: and, of course, arapahoe is a critical transportation corridor and the key element of that corridor is a bus, rapid transit line that will provide high quality.

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Amanda stark-rankins: frequent service,, the heart of our city, however,. We cannot reasonably expect that will fully realize that vision, without providing the kind of walkable mixed use development that the water view project represents,. So thank you for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. Thank you. Okay! Next, on the list,, I have caleb scalp, I'm not seeing caleb on the list. So, then our next few speakers are linda spalding, lisa, spaulding. Pardon me clark, atkinson.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, donald david glover, katsuya, lord and brian smith,, I apologize,- I am, I think, I'm just getting a little tired, not quite seeing all the letters correctly so lisa you're up next.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, you can go ahead.

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Lisa spalding:, thank you jane, I'm sure you're tired.

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Lisa spalding:, I live at 1135 j street, and I would like to focus on the 4587 square foot, restaurant brew, pub or tavern and building one.

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Lisa spalding: it's supposed to have 144 indoor seats that the outdoor seats and the potential to stay open until 2am.

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Lisa spalding:, we know there are very few units that could accommodate families, the two and three bedroom units and two of these two bedroom units are directly above what will be a bar from 10 to two. If these hours are allowed.

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Lisa spalding: the bill building one is owned. Our h4 and under the land use code that use is an a or non a put, not applicable.

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Lisa spalding:, I assume the additional specific requirements, referred to by not applicable, would apply under restaurants, brewpubs taverns, with outdoor seating within 500 feet of a residential use. Model.

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Lisa spalding:, this is the size 500 feet, is the size of a long block. The apartments are directly above this large space,. The only concessions.

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Lisa spalding: to the residence would be the seating capacity outdoors would not be larger than indoors parking requirements and living out to our music or entertainment until 11pm.

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Lisa spalding: and requiring the observance of the city's sound levels,, which all of you planning board members will understand, are almost impossible to enforce us even in the middle of the city,, because you were all at the river and woods. Hearing.

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Lisa spalding:. I would just like to know how this arrangement realistically will accommodate the grocery clerks nurses, bottom mechanics, bus drivers and teachers and their families,, who must get enough sleep to wake up in the morning and go to work, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, lisa, okay. Next on the list,, I had clark atkinson,, but I think he's part of the applicant team, that is, that that's correct clark.

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Clark, atkinson:, that's correct, and so many others have spoken thoughtfully regarding the values and heart and soul of this community and I'm going to yield the time. Thank you. Okay.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): next,, after that, we have david glover. Now I'm not seeing david glover on the list, david. If you're here,, please message me and then after that is katsuya. Lord I'm not seeing..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): cat do either.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and then, after that is brian smith.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, ryan okay,, you should be able to go ahead.

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Bryan smith: hello,. Can you hear me.

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Bryan smith:, my name, is brian smith, other than 3840 broadway in boulder,. Thank you for giving us the chance to speak about this lottery. Development..

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Bryan smith: I'm in supported the development I've lived in boulder for over 15 years. For the past 10 years, I've been a key decision maker in two or three small businesses that are based in east boulder, located within one mile of 55th and arapahoe.

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Bryan smith: every single one of these businesses has employed between 10 and 15 people and we've always struggled to retain employees.

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Bryan smith:, I think it's important to note that these employees are not hourly workers. It's a range from hourly workers in the warehouse.

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Bryan smith: all the way up to people that are making six figures as executives, with over 10 years of experience..

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Bryan smith:, they cannot afford housing in boulder,, and this is commonly one of the main reasons they site for leaving the companies that I've worked. For.

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Bryan smith:, I support this project, because I want to live in a diverse city, and I think that the small business community in boulder is critical to having a diverse ecosystem that is.

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Bryan smith:, not as white as boulder, is right now and includes people who do things that are not working for google or other major tech companies,. I hope the planning commission will carefully consider this project and approve it, so that we can have the future that.

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Bryan smith: everyone wants. bryan smith:. Thank you for the time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you, brian.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, next on the list we have lisa anderson peterson, I'm not seeing lisa and my list of attendees elizabeth don williams asked to be moved down and, let's see now the next speakers after that are kathleen mccormick, judith renfro, mark blue field.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): will tour karen hallway egg and then we'll come back to elizabeth don williams,. So I think then next up will be kathleen. Mccormick.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): kathleen. You can go ahead.

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Kathleen mccormick:, can you hear me. kathleen mccormick:, yeah, great hi, good evening,, and many thanks to the planning board members. I'm kathleen mccormick and I've lived for 28 years, at.

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Kathleen mccormick: street and raise two kids here when middle class families could still do that. As a journalist, I've written articles reports on affordable, housing.

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Kathleen mccormick: the urban land institute and the lincoln institute of man policy.

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Kathleen mccormick:, I also share the boulder arts, commission and affordable housing is perpetually the number one concern for the arts. Community.

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Kathleen mccormick: however,- I speak tonight for myself and supported the water, be project and all the folks who work in boulder but can't afford to live here,, especially our amazing, essential workers..

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Kathleen mccormick:, what have you would create a new neighborhood like the holiday neighborhood in an area of east folder that has very little housing and many thousands of jobs.

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Kathleen mccormick: the site meets boulders criteria for a 15 minute. Neighborhood has a bus, stop on arapahoe major transit route and it's linked to voters walking and biking trails.

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Kathleen mccormick: this sustainable low carbon neighborhood would be mixed use with small local food and service businesses, a community center and garden. An open space.

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Kathleen mccormick:, it would be intentionally mixed income now rare in boulder, with at deed, restricted, permanently, affordable rental homes of different sizes, mixed in with market rate, rental, homes.

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Kathleen mccormick:, the developers are not paying and lou or building the affordable units off site. What our view is exactly the scenario that leads to more diverse and cohesive, communities.

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Kathleen mccormick:, it's a shame, that, as a concession to residents south south of arapaho, so few essential, workers, workers will get to live. Here.

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Kathleen mccormick: some 54, affordable units were backed out of the plan. Buildings were lowered and parking spaces. Increased parking gets land rather than people.

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Kathleen mccormick:, we need many more workforce homes and I respectfully urge you to approve the water,. Have you plan to advance toward the inclusive and diverse community? We in our comp plan say we want to thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you kathleen. Okay, next up is judy renfro.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): judy. You should be able to unmute.

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Judith renfroe: okay.

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Judith renfroe: thank you., judith renfroe: okay. judith renfroe:. um My name is judy retro. I live at 1461 view south of the proposed development and I'm one of those terrible people who opposes it.

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Judith renfroe:, I complimented developer on a beautiful presentation and rounding up so many diverse people to support it, however,. I don't believe that that this.

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Judith renfroe:, really small unit type of development is what boulder needs in terms of housing for its young professionals and entry level workers but, more than anything. We I oppose it because of the urban use.

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Judith renfroe: and the restaurant,, which is just so incompatible there with amplified music on the outdoor patio until 11 o'clock at night,, the patio being five feet from the sidewalk.

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Judith renfroe: and as lisa spalding pointed out one of some of the affordable family units, above that it's just extremely incompatible..

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Judith renfroe: and not very useful, and that has been very much overlooked and everybody's presentations.

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Judith renfroe: and my request would be that this part of the plan be sent back to the drawing board and instead something more useful,, such as a convenience grocery store. Maybe a luncheonette for workers in the area and other convenience shopping be placed there.

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Judith renfroe:. The other thing is that the east builders, sub community plan so far has been very concerned about the conveyance zone for the flood zone along arapahoe.

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Judith renfroe: and none of the concepts on the city's website show more housing, more development in that area,. This one may just stay there, sticking out like a sore thumb all by itself,, and I don't think that's appropriate for one person to do. That, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you, judy.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):. Okay, next up is mark bloomfield.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): mark you can go ahead.

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Mark bloomfield:, I can hear me. mark bloomfield:, yeah great art bloomfield. I live at 2897 hills drive in boulder,. First, I want to say, thanks to planning board for the hard work they all do. I'll include staff and that as well.

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Mark bloomfield:, it's very much appreciated a couple of clicks disclaimers, I'm a boulder county, planning, commissioner,, but my comments tonight are my own.

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Mark bloomfield: in a former career, I did some energy analysis, for whatever you know, I'm no longer involved in the project.

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Mark bloomfield:, why don't we use an excellent opportunity for boulder to start walking the talk of racial and social inclusion.

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Mark bloomfield: of environmental protection,, a 15 minute neighborhoods, we're fortunate that we have a developer. That's in alignment with many of the goals of the community and has the ability to.

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Execute. mark bloomfield: I'd asked planning board to look out for the interest of the entire community,, especially the workers, who are a fundamental part of the fabric of boulder, but struggle to be able to live. Here, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, mark.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, next up,, we have will will tour.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, let's see as well.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, not seeing, will analyst the moment so,. Then we have karen hall, wag chelsea cast solano, and elizabeth don williams. So karen are you karen still here? Okay, karen, you can go ahead.

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Karen hollweg:, my name is karen hallway egg and I live in south boulder in a townhouse.

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Karen hollweg:, I have followed in and commented on the project over the last couple of years, and my interest stems from my involvement in south boulder creek flood issues,. I have to water related concerns about the water view, project.

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Karen hollweg: first,, the wetlands and natural areas, sloan and others have noted that they will that the wetlands and natural areas will be protected.

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Karen hollweg: we've seen how open space a mountain parks and private lands have been degraded by the use of hundreds of residents in and dogs. So my question is,: how will the proponents protect the wetlands and natural areas.

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Karen hollweg: that as proposed.

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Karen hollweg: second.

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karen hollweg: bill how lucky said that the project is out of the hundred year, flood plain,, but given flood risks,, as mentioned by the ceo environmental studies student at the beginning of the meeting.

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Karen hollweg: said what will happen to the structures in the inevitable 200 to 500 year, floods to come.

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Karen hollweg: and how will the development deal with those 205 hundred year floods? These issues need to be addressed,, because the boulder valley comp plan says that floods larger than 100 year old year event will occur. That.

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Karen hollweg:, the city, will help people protect themselves from blood hazards and will protect aquatic wetland and riparian ecosystems. So I'm eager to hear the answers to these issues,. Thank you very much..

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you karen okay. Next up I have chelsea castellano, then elizabeth don williams,, then rebecca davies.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay chelsea, you can go ahead.

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Chelsea castellano: thank you hi, I'm chelsea castellano. I live in south folder. I miss sustainability, professional at a federal lab on the board of boulder transportation connections and I'm an organizer with bedrooms are for people.

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Chelsea castellano: I'm invested in this community, and while I haven't lived here for 43 years, I do believe that my more recent experience trying to find.

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Chelsea castellano: a desirable and affordable place to live,, maybe more relevant than it was in the 1970s,. But if boulder wants to welcome diversity and young families and graduate students and.

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Chelsea castellano: and artists and scientists and the working class into bolder than you. The planning board, have to give us more options and opportunity to to live here. When my husband and I were.

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Chelsea castellano: looking to buy a home in this community that we love. You know there were about three or four listings on the map that we could afford,, and so we just need more housing in boulder,, and this is such an excellent project. That.

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Chelsea castellano: has addressed all of the key issues that we have said,. We want address in housing, it offers.

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Chelsea castellano: 600 places to park your bike, a brew pub,, which is an amazing, boulder and melody. I live, just a few blocks away: from.

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Chelsea castellano: from southern sun- and I wish it was a little closer,, so I think that would that would be amazing. The onsite, affordable options, the renewable energy,, the location.

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Chelsea castellano: there's just nothing about this project that doesn't address what we have been saying. We want in housing project,, so I just urge you to to walk the talk and approve this project as it stands, thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, thank you. Chelsea next is elizabeth don williams and then rebecca davies.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): on you can go ahead.

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Elizabeth dawn, williams: okay,, can you hear me. cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): now. elizabeth dawn, williams: okay,? Thank you very much,, dear planning board. I live in southeast folder. I work as a nurse in this community and I've lived in boulder for 60 years.

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Elizabeth dawn williams: for over 40 of those years I have worked alongside nurses, firemen, emt police officers and other central workers in this community,. I am in support of affordable housing in boulder.

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Elizabeth dawn williams:, I would like to ask the planning board to please require the developers of this development water view to place a bridge over self boulder creek, so there's a safe second ingress and egress.

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Elizabeth dawn williams: into and out of the water view neighborhood. This will create the safest situation. Not only for this development.-.

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Elizabeth dawn williams:, but for all the neighbors and the arapaho core door and every single car traveling on this corridor.

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Elizabeth dawn williams:. I would also like to ask the planning board to consider requiring the developers to replace half the efficient efficiency units.

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Elizabeth dawn williams: with permanently affordable, two and three bedroom units and townhouses that would better support the communities need for affordable, housing.

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Elizabeth dawn williams: and support our central workers and their families,, most of which actually have families, I understand,. This would decrease the number of units.

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Elizabeth dawn williams:, but I work alongside many of these essential workers and they actually have a families that they would like, affordable housing for in this area, where they could commute very quickly to work,. Thank you for your time.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): thanks don okay, rebecca, I saw your hand up before and I see it down now. I'm just gonna I'm.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, seeing rebecca tv,, so I am not seeing a weight.

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Cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, it's a long list. Everybody thanks for bearing with me trying to get through the list. Okay, very good, rebecca you can go ahead.

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Rebecca davies: thanks,, can you hear me,, we can say thank you. um My name is rebecca davies and I live in south boulder at 33, sub folder circle.

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Rebecca davies:, it's a multi unit, building it's three stories and it's a wonderful place to live. I think about how if this building and the ones around it we're not approved to be built a few decades ago,, then I you know.

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Rebecca davies:, I wouldn't have- I wouldn't be able to afford to live in boulder because it's these kinds of units that that make it possible for me.

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Rebecca davies: to run here and stay here,, so I really want those that these kinds of opportunities to be available to more people who would like to live in boulder.

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Rebecca davies:- and that includes many of my colleagues,- I find it,. You know really unfortunate that I actually.

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Rebecca davies:, a lot of my colleagues live too far from work to be able to bike, and I work at a national bike. Advocacy organization and.

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Rebecca davies: I,, although I speak for myself and not my employer, I think it's just telling that.

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Rebecca davies: in boulder, an organization that advocates for better bike networks, is a place where a lot of employees actually can't can't afford to live close to work, and therefore they themselves cannot bike to work..

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Rebecca davies:, I also see, through my work, how there's often a disconnect between people's desire to have a city, that's great for bikes and active transportation,, which includes walking.

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Rebecca davies: and also, of course, public transit, but don't reconcile that with the fact that you need enough people who can live close to things to walk and bike to.

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Rebecca davies: to make those systems viable. If people have to live too far from the places they need to go, then they're not going to choose things like biking walking and even public transit.

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Rebecca davies:, if the community is too burdensome, so it's really important. We start building our housing to reflect the kind of transportation systems we want.

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Rebecca davies: and I think the kind of housing that water view offers is is the kind of I have enjoyed in my own experience, and you know really want for more more people in boulder. So I support this project.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you, rebecca.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. I see no more. cob,, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): raised hands. If anybody else who has not had a chance to speak in, could please use the raise hand function now oh,. Here we go. There's a few more.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay, I've got lynn, siegel lynn, you can go ahead.

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Lynn segal:, I agree with everyone here that spoken today,, but I can't believe that after all the years since 1987,, no one is still talking about the aerial perspective of planning.

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Lynn segal:- and this is the planning board, of course,. We need more affordable housing for all of the jobs that we have in town.

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Lynn segal:, but we continue making jobs, and then we continue with more housing and guess what each house that comes has jobs that go with it all the jobs of the construction workers to all the jobs, the.

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Lynn, segal: library, their percentage of library,, the rec center, all of the infrastructure,, all of the other jobs, all of the retail. This is like built, it's a great design. It's beautiful and everything, I'm not crazy about plans ahead style, but that's not the issue.

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Lynn segal:, the issue is this is the worst example of sprawl like on a highway, and then you go on a side street. It's like a cul de sac. These people that live here are not just going to ride the bike trail into boulder. Every day.

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Lynn segal:: this is not a destination, to go to yes, boulders, a nice place.

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Lynn segal:, but there are other nice places that other people have to start cities at not in boulder boulders, already done it too much in the wrong direction.

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Lynn segal:, if this is a reaction to too many jobs,, to start with what don't all of you, people that testified and all of you, staffers and all of the board, people and the city, council, people and the consultants and the developers not understand about that.

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Lynn, segal: there's an indelible the neck demand. There's, it's never gonna go away and these tiny units are not efficient.

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Lynn segal:, they are not as.

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Lynn, segal: excellent. cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, okay. Next we have claudia handsome damn.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): and david adamson, claudia. You may go ahead.

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Claudia hanson thiem: thank you, gene and good evening. Members of the planning board. My name is claudia. Hampton theme, I live in north boulder.

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Claudia hanson thiem: in the boulder valley comp plan we have committed to increasing, affordable and attainable housing,, as well as to compact car light. Development..

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Claudia hanson, thiem: and projects like the water view, move us closer to these goals,. When I look at east older today,, I see sprawling office parks and haphazard car oriented. Development.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, but I also see potential,, I see the south boulder creek and surrounding what lenses environmental amenities,. I see a future transit improvements on east arapahoe and I see space for real neighborhoods in this evolving economic engine of our city.

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Claudia hanson, thiem: east boulder needs ad units of affordable housing,. It also needs the remaining 237 market rate apartments, because the chasm between are permanently affordable, housing stock and our acres of luxury homes is large and growing..

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Claudia hanson thiem:, the water view will provide homes for many people who already are in boulder but has computers,, rather than rather than residence..

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Claudia hanson, thiem: and having them closer will help both them and our community is all. There is also a place to commit to ambitious transportation. Goals.

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Claudia hanson, thiem: holder, has completed long range planning for the arapaho quarter with bus, rapid transit, protected bike lanes and pedestrian improvements.

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Claudia hanson thiem: all concepts emerging from the east folder sub community planning process,, including transportation hub and transit oriented development at 55th and arapahoe. If we're serious about these changes, it makes sense to approve housing that will benefit from them.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, I'm disappointed that what you're reviewing tonight is a watered down version of the original concept with less house and more space for cars, and we ultimately need and want.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, but that is the nature of compromise. Meanwhile, I'm thrilled by the breadth of support at this meeting tonight.

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Claudia hanson thiem: how's it going climate climate advocates, employers and workers graduate students,. The bike people.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, all speaking for members of our communities who who so often get excluded,, whether by housing policies or by the lengthy and highly technical nature of these reviews.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, I hope you will improve the one of you proposal tonight, and I hope it becomes an anchor for a model of what we can do in these border in the future,. Thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, claudia okay. Next up is david adamson.

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Claudia hanson, thiem: fella, but david scott.,.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): david,, you can go ahead.

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David adamson:, david adamson, I live at 815 north street. I'm the executive director of goose creek, the land trust which is promoting the kind of mixed income.

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David adamson: and mixed use, housing.

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David adamson: and david adamson: community that william shotgun and david zucker have very ably promoted over a long period of time, and there are few developers willing to.

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David adamson: do the beautiful work of bringing us together,, and I want to thank them for their work,. I want to thank all the beautiful people who spoke in favor of it, I'm certainly in favor of it.

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David adamson: and I want to thank the planning board and staff.

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David adamson:, it's an exhausting process to do this is,. We need to make it easier, and I want to thank harmon zuckerman for his service.

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David adamson: he's authoritative the at the last planning board meeting. He really spoke so well about what planning board can do, and they really limited discretion to help us make this process easier.

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David adamson: and I hope he will commit the rest of his life.

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David adamson:, once it gets off the board and has a couple of nights to himself to how do we make this easier.

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David adamson: and malcolm gladwell talked so well about what happened in chile and earthquake in chile. When wealthy people invited the not so wealthy into their homes.

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David adamson: and I want to recall that kind of situation, a little bit. I'm thinking about the folks who have been speaking against the project,, and I want to thank them as well.

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David adamson:, this whole process has been beautiful and coming back to harmon, I want to say we should have a process that brings us all together. All of us, love. This town, and I think, if we had a better process that allowed us to work together, even more intently than the meetings do we would.

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David adamson: see that we are in a huge natural disaster, and we have to work together,. We have no choice.

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David adamson:: let's have a process that helps us see that we have to have more folks in this town,. We can do it beautifully. We can do it in an environmentally sound way.

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David adamson: and we can do it,, knowing where we all know, is that people who want to live here are folks that you want to be with who wouldn't want to be with hannah george, I don't know her, but oh my god. These young people, who insist like I did and living in boulder.

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David adamson: or, or you know worth getting together, with, and we can.

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David adamson: have a process that brings us together on the land.

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david adamson:. So thank you to everyone. Let's work together in this very difficult time, and we will be glad we did thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, david, okay, damon scott,. I saw your hand up before. I don't see it up now, I'm just I'm not allowed to talk. If you can.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, let us know if you would like to speak.

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David scott:, can you hear me now. cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, we can. david scott:, okay, well, I'd like to thank everybody for this process,. I think it's important.

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David scott:, we do need more affordable housing. Every day,. I see people that.

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David scott:, you know,, would love to be in boulder but they're leaving because they can't know the people that provide our key services.

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David scott:, you know, we've heard a lot of this this evening. There's not a whole lot to add,, but there is a dramatic need and our community cannot survive,, not the community, we love and that we came here. For.

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David scott:, if we don't solve this problem,, we can't just be a community of people that are the haves and importing the have nots to do. The work.

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David scott:, thanks for the process, so again want to thank the planning board for listening to this it's a long evening, but it's really important project and hopefully it's the beginning of projects on the eastern arapahoe area. Where there's a lot of opportunity to take.

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David scott: stock of commercial property that could be built into a very nice community that be a real,, significant part of boulder. So thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): thank you,, david.

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cob,, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): okay,. I am seeing no other hands raised at the moment,, so if folks would like to address the board,, now is the time to raise hand or, let me know in the chat.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):, we really appreciate everyone hanging in there tonight looks like we still got 60 attendees with the meeting and some very, very thoughtful commentary.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): from everyone tonight,. Thank you, alright.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): harmon. I think we are done with those who would like to address the board.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, thank you, jean thanks for all that, probably 46 or so people who spoke that you took care of. Can you pull your timer down,, so we can see each other, a little better, please, thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, alright well.

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pb harmon zuckerman:, so we heard a couple hours worth of public comment there and we still have three minutes reserved for the applicant to make rebuttal if the ads can, as anything specifically that they want to.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: respond to based on what they heard and after that I think we're going to take five minutes so I'll turn. It back to looks like phil how lucky is unmuted and his team.

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Bill holicky coburn, architecture: yeah. We have a couple of slides it'll help talk about the water issues,, so I think sloan is going to load those up.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay. bill, holicky, coburn, architecture: and so I'll do a quick few quick points and then turn it over to steve so.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, starting now,, so there was a question raised about a second access,. There is an emergency second access on the southeast portion of the site that was vetted by david lowery in boulder fire and that's for fire ambulances, in the case of emergency.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: traffic pattern was raised along the rambo as a question, just a reminder that that is a seat at highway, and so that has to be done according to see our standards and see god has.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, very obviously, a high degree of safety involved in their standards.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: questions about whether the projects meet the criteria, one of the things that we forget, when we look at these projects that we've worked with staff for three years to make sure every site review criteria was matt.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and staff did find that they were in mentioned that at the beginning of the outside of the other presentation.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: same thing with a compliment criteria. So that's not accidental. It was a three year process with staff to get there.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, remember,, with height there's only there's only three buildings and asked for high exemption,. Two of them are only three stories and the fourth is the height parking in the middle of the project.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and we did do environmental testing on the site and there is a very small amount of cleanup other than that. The site is clean. Septic pipe needs to be removed, steve for the water.

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Steve blake (dhi): sure thanks um so on the.

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Steve blake (dhi): you know, on the slide here we're looking at kind of a combined ground on floodwater setting the site configuration is shown here in the schematic plan, section views.

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Steve blake (dhi): during field monitoring, growler levels are indicated well below the proposed improvements,, as shown here.

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Steve blake (dhi): in flood conditions,, the site cross section, show the flow area available across the site,, including up in space,, the adjacent swale in south boulder creek quarter. Or.

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Steve blake (dhi): these pads provided for effective granger high ground water,, such as seen after a significant rainfall and flooding event, will not be local or regional growler flow. Next slide. Please.

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Steve blake (dhi): for the lower self boulder creek valley,, the floodplain setting reaches a mile of with,, as you can see, on this section and the accompanying plan.

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Steve blake (dhi):, the existing site is above these levels in the post, improvements to not impact either surf flutter, ground or flows.

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Steve blake (dhi): the floodgates have been actually increased to accept more water from arapahoe the high has. It has been reconfigured an extent, based on the results of the modeling.

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Steve blake (dhi): according to see all the criterion encode requirements,. This is an issue of science. It's well understood, studied for the site.

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Steve blake (dhi): is based on the data and evidence attainder our teams analysis.

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Steve blake (dhi): hydraulic model is actually a hyper detailed 2d model extending from highway 93 to boulder creek so where the flow goes as well established in fact.

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Steve blake (dhi):, the flood mapping was found a reasonably estimated 2013 flood extent,. Even though, is a much different flood event.

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Steve blake (dhi): yes,, this is also included the 500 year vet. These are requirements have been met through the fema process and included in the resulting mapping.

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Steve blake (dhi): yeah. The analysis also considers the pipes and culverts less than 36 inches in diameter. People locked to provide a more consistent, more conservative, higher estimate of flood levels to ensure flood protection you and with debris and sediment impacts next slide. Please.

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Steve blake (dhi):, we took a in depth, look at the 2013 flood event,, for you know a number of reasons,. Given the importance of this we've analyzed the data from the 2013 flood event and its impact on the site in the vicinity.

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Steve blake (dhi):, we used all available data and resources from satellite and ground imagery.

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Steve blake (dhi): to rainfall data and reporting developed by the city of boulder in the state of colorado consultants, some of the key results and data sources have described here.

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Steve blake (dhi):, we won't go into detail,, but the point really is that for the lower region.

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Steve blake (dhi):, you know we're looking at rainfalls that for a 24 hour period exceeded a 500 year event,. You know they basically had in two days, 12 or 13 inches of rain, and that's an addition to the to the flows coming down the main channels right. We pitch yourself on a creek.

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Steve blake (dhi):. If you go to the next slide, I can. I can show a few images that, but from this analysis.

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You just advanced one thanks.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her):, yep yeah.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, we're gonna need you guys, wrap it up. Soon, because.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. You have no problem getting over your three minutes.

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Steve blake, (dhi):, okay, yep I'll just say here what we did is we looked at the data used in the in the city of boulder analysis directly for the 13th and 14th of september and tracked the the innovation areas, and what we found was that the flooding was observed for the jason areas. But,, given the the.

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Steve blake (dhi): the data that was available. There was no signs of flooding for for the or the water view site,, and I think that's consistent and documented these materials that are provided to the blank word into the community.

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Steve blake (dhi):, so I'll stop there, thanks.

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Bill holicky coburn, architecture: thanks,. I mean if there's any other questions about water,. Please don't hesitate to ask me so: okay, we'll do.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: all right,. Well then, I think I'm going to call for five minutes and we back at 1028.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator, (she/her): hi folks, who are on break,, we should be coming back. The board should be coming back in just a couple: minutes.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her):. I just like to remind folks that it is our protocol for the virtual meetings to not put questions or comments in the chat.

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Cob, jean gatza, moderator (she/her): to the panelists, the board can't have the side, conversations or side questions, it's very distracting for their consideration. So I'm going to ask folks again to please refrain from doing that or I will turn off the chat. Thanks.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: we're back.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and thanks to everybody for sticking it out and for for all the good work on the presentations and answering the questions and asking these questions and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: now it's time for us to deliberate now that we have all the information that has been presented to us up to this point.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. So is there any housekeeping matter or question that is burning? You know planning board member right now, before we jump into looking at the key issues.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: john.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so yeah. pb,, john gerstle:. You want to unmute okay here,. I am now sorry.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: there you are. pb, john gerstle:, oh, and I'll, have stopped my video.

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Pb, john gerstle:, just to I wonder if I could just ask a couple questions directly to staff. That should be very quick,, but it would be good to get.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: but. pb, john gerstle: yeah, the one is regarding traffic and access issues,, and that is whether.

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Pb, john gerstle:, according to the general safety code of the of the city,, whether one access point plus that auxiliary point that was mentioned briefly to the.

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Pb, john gerstle:, south east.

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pb, john gerstle:, is appropriate, an adequate according to city code and practice.

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Pb, john gerstle:, the other.

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Pb, john gerstle:, the other question on that is regarding left, turns that several people have pointed out, seem very complicated. The end, whether the city has any views on those two issues.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, and where do you want to do it both charles and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah edwards here so.

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Cob, edward stafford:, I can address both of those in terms of the access, yes,. The single point of access meets in all code, requirements.

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Cob,, edward stafford:, because of the additional emergency access that satisfies any requirement under the fire code for additional access,. It is not unusual to help properties or projects of this size, that.

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Cob,, edward stafford: do have a single access point, and in fact the access code presumes that you will start by a single access point and then.

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Cob, edward stafford: only be granted; a second have demonstrated needs, so it does fully comply with all the requirements of the cities are regards access.

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Cob,, edward stafford: in terms of the left, turn and the? U turn while it may not be real normal circumstance and all places it actually does occur in another spot and arapaho just further to the west and.

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Cob,, edward stafford:, we have no no records of it being an unsafe move or problematic move in that location either,. It is more and more common.

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Cob, edward stafford: to see that when you have restrictions on left, turns or mediums that are restricting things to write and write out in long stretches..

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Cob,, edward stafford:, we have no reason to believe that it's unsafe, the analysis been done,. We concur with it as you've. Also heard. We've shared that analysis,, not just within the city,, including our.

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Cob,, edward stafford: transportation and mobility staff,, but also with si dot. Everybody does find it acceptable. We actually believe that that particular design.

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Cob, edward stafford: has fewer challenges than a left turn out of the access point would have given that you can make a move across only one direction of traffic.

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Cob, edward stafford: and then enter into that lane for the: u turn and be watching for the other direction of traffic,. So we are comfortable, comfortable and confident that it's a reasonable solution.

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Pb, john gerstle: thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. Obviously we we have a lot more.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: curiosity around project,. You need to get satisfied it or hands going up. Sarah and love pizza.

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Pb sarah silver:, so I actually just want to follow up with edward on that question because it dawned on me as the subject was coming up about the. U turn required.

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Pb sarah silver:, if you wanted to hit ultimately head east, there's, also a u turn required if you're heading east and need to go back west to get into the entry to get into the driveway and that you turn would be a cherry vale. I guess so. I'm is that also been studied.

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Cob,, edward stafford:, so there was actually is a left turn allowed from arapahoe into the access site for waterfowl. So that.

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Cob,, edward stafford: eastbound does not have to make a. U turn movement. There is a left turn. Lane is a part of that intersection. So it's what we call a three quarter. Movement so allows that left in, but it doesn't allow the left out.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: peter.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yeah, so following up on the questions regarding this intersection, the in and out.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I know that this is conforming with the idea of aligning the entrance to this subdivision or development.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to be along., pb,, lupita d, montoya: alltel road for safety reasons that that seemed very clear to me..

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, it makes total sense,, but I was wondering if this is something that the city has. One point will consider to have like a traffic light right at that intersection.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: just for the additional safety, and what will that take us? I don't know if this is something that is considered is not supposed to be part of this kind of project.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: and the other,, the other part,, was kind of along the same lines that I I've been in this city for over 10 years and I've seen a number of places and I live in many other cities and going.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, it's accidental, making only turns on one direction, is very common, so um I don't find this very problematic because I've seen it so many times in this city and many other cities.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, but I like to know from our city officials,, maybe edwards, know some of the numbers of see of places on the city that we have. This condition.

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Cob,, edward stafford: I'll start with the first question, in terms of whether the intersection and old tale, and what the access to water,, we will be centralized highly likely that it would ever meet the requirements.

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Cob,, edward stafford: that are in place to have signal ization installed, and even if so, its proximity to the signal cherry would create some challenge in terms of the operations of arapahoe.

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Cob, edward stafford:, but I don't see that there is any likelihood of the traffic counts. Every meeting that the requirement or the standard for civilization.

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Cob,, edward stafford:, on the second one,, you know, I can't give you a number in terms of access points,, but I know it's not unusual or many projects to look at restricted, access,, whether it's restricting the left.

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Cob,, edward stafford:, or in many places we have restrictions that are right in right out and it's a fairly routine and regular occurrence, as we work on development projects as part of looking at safety and circulation needs and trying to.

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Cob, edward stafford: really weigh them together to come up with the right now.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. Thank you very much, I. pb, lupita d montoya:, really like your answers very much to the point, exactly the way I, like him, thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so I'm going to just ask a question, charles or sloan.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, we heard a member of the public complain that the project wasn't pre wired for charging stations or solar.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, but it's my understanding that that's a code requirement and while it may not be highlighted in the plan is the project is so pre wired and it does have charging stations that correct.

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Cob sloane walbert:, that's correct! So it's a requirement.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, so it's.

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cob,, charles ferro:. It's a requirement of the recently adopted building codes on. They have to demonstrate that at the time of building permit.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, thanks for that all right, any other questions for staff before we can get on to key issues. Liberation.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: all right,. Thank you alright,. So you know there's a lot going on here.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that that could take a while. So I'm going to try to streamline it to the extent that I can.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and that you're willing to go along with me on that we're in accord to move forward,. Otherwise you know, let's have a vibrant discussion.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: there 40 issues and the way I read it. Three of them really have to do with site review criteria and one with the use review criteria and the third one is the use, review criteria, and it has.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: a number of different components to it because of the different use reviews that are embodied in the one use review that we're voting. On.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, I think that's simplest one for for us to start with, would probably be key issue for which is simply the parkin reduction piece. That's within the site, review criterion, nine to 14, h,, and so I'm going to take a negative pole and and ask is, is anybody.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: anybody wanting to discuss this and feeling like they're, not ready to find that 4.1% vehicular parking reduction meets the criteria of nine to 14 html so thumbs up. If, if you think we can move forward on that, one without.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: a ton of. pb harmon, zuckerman:, dialogue., okay., pb, harmon, zuckerman:, all right, um,. Then I think let's go back to key issue. One.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, which is just the project, meet the applicable site review criteria in general in nine to 14 ah I'll, take hands.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. Let me turn it around. Is there anyone who feels the project does not meet the applicable fat review? Criteria.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay., pb, harmon zuckerman: I'll. Take that as a no and I'll take that as planning board feels that the project does meet the survey criteria, and we can come back to these and talk about them a little bit more,. I just want to get through sort of as much as we can, and then we can go back and take them in order.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. So let's talk about the height modification distribution over to two,, so the requested height modification meet the site review criteria,, including criterion, h2, f, building design livability in relationship to the existing or proposed around the area.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: negative pole is there,. Anybody who feels that the modifications requested do not meet the site review criteria.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. So let's, let's jump to the use review, piece.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and my computer just froze up,. So I know what the key issue is. It's the project.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: on balance, meet the site review criteria, the use of your criteria, in.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, and you know just to remind folks you know this has to do with a variety of uses that require site review and the given zoning districts, for instance, residential in industrial general.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: commercial in a residential and so forth, for the different uses that are being proposed so is there,. Anybody who feels that the pro proposed uses are not consistent with us review sarah.

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pb sarah silver: yet,, so the answer is yes,. I am concerned about the.

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Pb sarah silver: the.

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pb, sarah silver:, the I'm, not concerned about there being a restaurant and an orange one, I'm concerned about the size and the hours and would like us to consider some kind of condition that would.

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Pb sarah silver: bring it more into compliance with, what's actually allowed in our age for,, and I also I I don't know that there's going to. I don't know that there's anything I can do about this concern,, but I am concerned about the very high number of efficiency units.

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Pb sarah silver:, I just think a broader, a broader part of the community would be served. By.

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Pb sarah silver: more one bedrooms and two bedrooms than then by. Basically, I think it's like 60% 67% of the units are efficiencies or something.

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Pb sarah silver:, I don't I sounds like there was such a complicated formula to get to where they got to. That is, may not make a bit of difference,, but I am concerned about the highest number of efficiency and it's.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: done.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah. My thoughts are closely related to sarah's.

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Pb, john gerstle:- maybe I better make myself invisible here: again.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I I was also wondering about a condition that the the apartments directly over the restaurant.

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Pb, john gerstle: should not be the.

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Pb, john gerstle:, the affordable.

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pb, john gerstle: apartments that that it shouldn't be those who pay the lowest rent who suffer the highest noise and the irritation from a restaurant. So so these are conditions related to sarah's.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: peter.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I'm wondering, since you know,. This is about development in this is really I I'm gonna.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: turn to you before you disappear when I disappear,, but you abandoned us here.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: harmon on guidance regarding you know when, when this development, if the development goes forward,, how do we.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: break command or make up. I don't know, is there anything that we can do to.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I don't know- encourage strongly the developer, that the people that they get.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to take on this unit, really go through a equity lens like the city's looking at,, so that we don't end up with all I'm sorry here,. You know one same kind of people, so that at the end,, instead of really increasing, because everybody talks about the diversity that we lack.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yes,, that's very true but, when we finally rent this unit is there,, something that can be done is the.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: planning board in any position to require or request, encourage any language that we can use to do so that they have very seriously consider the racial profile of other. The renters in this place.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: I mean. pb harmon zuckerman:. If you're asking me I'd, say that the.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: comprehensive plan., pb harmon zuckerman:. The portion of your site review criteria that talks to comp plan compliance, you know, on balance, complies with the goals and policies, a comprehensive plan.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you know,, might get you somewhere into that realm. When you look at the goals and policies related to resilience and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and equity and diversity.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, and you know whether you could craft, a condition of approval.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. You know that it didn't run afoul of of some kind of law and,, and that was reasonable. And if the applicant would accept.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. You know that would speak to meeting those policies,. You know take some creativity.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you know, if that's something you want to spend some time on tonight,, then we certainly can look at that.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:: well, I'm looking at you just.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: said la and then hello, hello, popped up,. So I don't want you to say.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, like I said, you have a lot more,. You know experience on the I'm just an engineer's. I want numbers and I would like to have a reasonable,. You know percentage of people.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, because we had a very long line of people claiming that they're here, supporting this project because they want diversity,. They want to support our.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: our values,, but you know. Invariably we don't get what we say we want,. So I think this is one of the ways, where we can actually make it happen, and everybody who spoke about it tonight should be supporting what I'm saying right. Now.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:: this is why we really need to get to. You know, walk the talk and, if you, if our lawyers here, can help us craft, a condition that will be you know.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I will really appreciate it.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: yeah it's difficult to create a condition that makes a classification based on race, and it doesn't matter what direction it goes.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, there's very strict review standards that apply and it's really hard to meet them,, and I think it would be very hard to meet them as part of a discretionary review.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, you have, you have to be able to show that there was this thing: discrimination and that you're remedying that and the numbers would.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney: would have to correspond according to what the discrimination laws and so forth in this particular area, and I don't know that we have that information here tonight,. So I think you can strongly encourage.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya:, that's what I was using that language,, because I know we can go completely all the way,, but I really do think, especially since we have such a large number of people tonight. Speaking about this things.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I really think that this is when we we, as a city, really can come across that we don't just come and say these things that when.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:: when push comes to shove,, we actually do it,, and so I think this is a prime opportunity,, but in terms of you know, will we use the language that we can use.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: and I don't maybe I feel well enough,, based on what I heard today, all the people, speaking about it in favor in and the way that presenter or the.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:: the developer spoke about the project, all the intricacies of what they're trying to optimize.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I feel comfortable that they're here me and they will do their part,, even just saying in strongly encourage, may be sufficient for them to just remember. You know that this is a prime opportunity to really show what the series supposed to be about.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: herman, can, I add, in something there.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah., pb, harmon, zuckerman:, yeah., cob, kurt firnhaber:, so so two things.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: so,, so our department, as we do.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: compliance with affordable housing projects. We ensure that they're in line with the fair housing act.

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Cob, kurt firnhaber:, so that's you know,, ensuring that there isn't discrimination in renting the units.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, which is slightly different, I think, than what you're asking for,, but also mentioned across the city.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, the 20 2700, affordable rental units that we have in our city.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, the racial diversity of those units is, is more than than twice the racial diversity of our community.

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Cob kurt firnhaber:, so I think there has been.

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cob kurt firnhaber:. You know, demonstrated success over a number of years that we're making progress in that direction. And.

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Cob kurt firnhaber: as part of this department,, I think we really appreciate your your inputs around that,, as well as those who spoke about that this evening.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thanks kurt appreciate that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay.

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pb harmon zuckerman:. So let's just go back to the youth review criteria for a minute,, because that seems to be the area that that needs to have a little bit more conversation.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so it looks like besides sarah and john.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: folks are generally in accord with the staff recommendation that the uses are consistent.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: is that correct or somebody else want to raise an issue.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay, well.

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Pb sarah silver: for instance, hand david, had raised his hand.

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Pb sarah silver:, I don't know what you're you're muted.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: go ahead, david.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: well,, I don't know if we wanted to discuss those issues in more detail. I don't have any.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, I actually don't have any concerns. I was going to talk a little bit about the restaurant that we can do that more if we, if we want to get into the detail of it.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah. I think, let's do that when we get to we're going to go back through the issues in order,, right, now, and so I'll. Kick it off that that I think that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: as far as key issue, one is concerned,. The project meets the applicable site, review criteria and so things that that really stood out for me. Were.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the all usable, open, space,, the the sensitive design, the high quality materials, really good, architecture,, the complete streets,. I think a lot of that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: fits into our transportation goals and our city building goals or 15 minute neighborhood goals, the mix of uses.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: really work for me,. I thought you know. We've we've talked a lot in the past about well. Aren't you going to build your parking garage so.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, somehow you figure out ways to drain it,, even though the floors are all flat because someday you might need to build apartments in there. Well, this project took a really interesting approach with the the single loaded hallways.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman: and so there's just an interior hallway and then all the apartments that wrap the garage.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: or just the that on that one side of the hallway and so.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you know,, it looks like they can just dismantle the parking decks on the inside and double then or maybe not double, because the interior diameters, probably not as big as the exterior diameter, but at least we'll get.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: a number of new apartments loaded by that same hallway, and that's that's really neat solution,. So I like the the project for a number of reasons.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman: and affordability of provision of affordable housing is one of them,. The fact that there are 182 efficiency, units.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, but only 35 of them are deed, restricted, affordable sounds to me good, actually, that you know we're probably getting 182.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: feet restricted or non district, we're probably getting about 182, affordable units out of the efficiencies, because I don't foresee efficiencies becoming.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: an affordable,, but I could be wrong and then, on top of that another another 45, affordable units, so.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, potentially over 200 of the units in the buildings, will be affordable for people who are making 6070 or less percent of, am I so for all those reasons, and probably tomorrow. If I thought about it,, I think the project meets the site review criteria.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: anyone else, well,, that is fair.

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Pb sarah silver:, so I agree that,, given the various modifications that are requested or are are applicable, given the permanent, affordable housing on site,. I do have a couple of concerns that I had before karen hallway and mentioned them,. I am concerned about.

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Pb sarah silver:, the presence of the jog, run right near the wetlands and just curious that that concerns me,, because I do think that raises the potential for.

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Pb sarah silver: some contamination of what are apparently very active wetlands.

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Pb sarah silver:, possibly there is a there- does seem to be a quadrant in the.

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Pb sarah silver: south west corner, that is not developed and it seems to be a sort of a grassy knoll and perhaps the developer,. The applicant could consider transferring the dog run to that part of the of the.

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Pb sarah silver: parcel.

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Pb sarah silver: and I do have these concerns about the the. U turn, but you know, according to to edward, that is that fits with some see that code and he's not worried and if he's not worried,, then I won't worry about it. Either.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: anyone else.

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pb, harmon, zuckerman:, david., pb, harmon, zuckerman: and then lisa.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: david you'll have to unmute or I'm going to just go to lisa.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: victor meet off davis, bacon.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, less my man, my mouse pointer. There was really crazy. So I'm sorry about that. I hate to delay things but yeah. I will just say that I agree it needs to say review criteria.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I I do think that the three way ingress ingress egress point is something that we talked at length about a concept review and to me,. This is actually really great. Outcome.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: in very nobody, mentioned that it actually prohibits people from going straight across the arapaho from this development into the old tale which old, tell.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: people wanted to make sure that you're going to cut through that road to get to places so now nobody's going to be going across when they accept this site on to old tale. Road,, and I think that.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, it just shows that,, no matter what you come up with with the traffic solution, there's always going to be.

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Pb, david ensign -- he/him/his: a story about why it isn't good but but, honestly,. I think that this is about the best I could have asked for and it's exactly what we asked for a concept review.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: so,, and I do think that fits into the site criteria. Category and,. As far as the dog thing it is across the multi-use path, from.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: the open space area around south boulder creek, so it's separated by a concrete,, maybe even two. I don't know, but I know it,. But I just wonder if that.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, the. I guess I don't know what sort of concerns environmentally come from dogs run running around in a place. That's near near a waterway,, but if it's separated by.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, I can think of all kinds of places in boulder where we have parks that people use with their dogs and stuff separated by by a multi use path, and I've never heard of concerns about contamination. So I'll just throw that out. There.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, so anyway, and it seems like a nice place for it,, because then people can go on and off the multi use pass from where they're exercising their dogs,. So I didn't quite see that,, but you know I'd be interested. What other thing.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: hold on before you respond. Sarah loopy to set her hand up.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: yes, well,, so I don't have a dog,, but I do have a garden, and I do get gifts left behind. In my garden,, which I work with my hands many times, in fact, this afternoon I was speaking up and I.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: notice, some dog left me a memento that I don't appreciate,, but I imagine that you know in that city, we do have regulations that owners are supposed to be kept after the dogs,. I will imagine that, even in this development those rules apply,, because I do believe what what.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya:, I'm sorry, sarah brought up is real,. You know you can have contamination of waterways,. Now that we're going to be necessarily drink. I don't know what the use of that water,, but that is real and,, but I think that that.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: those rules still apply in this area. Right. That's my only point and invent a little bit because I just have to deal with this again today,. I don't appreciate it.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and certainly another issue is, is runoff and whether the dog park is graded out towards the waterway or not,, and I wouldn't even consider.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: conditioning, the project without hearing from the engineer first about that, and where the water does go, that flows across the surface there. So I'm sorry,, you want to take more.

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Pb sarah silver:- I was just going to respond to david. It's not the creek waterway, I'm concerned about it's the pond waterway and it's that is not separated by at least it didn't seem to be on the drawing separated by some sort of concrete.

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Pb sarah silver: barrier,, I think it, and again I as harmon just said,. I don't know what the angles, are.

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Pb sarah silver:, but the great is so so it's the runoff into that.

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Pb sarah silver: pod, which the which sloan indicated in the memo is part of that active and vibrant.

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Pb sarah silver: a wetland.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: yeah. That might be the case that, if, if it would be about, I know that there actually is a connector to on that corner as well to the multi use path. So.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. There may also be something over there,, but yeah. It's something that could be considered. Is it maybe just if somebody wanted offer conditions that would be that we assures that that there's no run off,. You know before permitting or something.

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Well. pb harmon zuckerman: as part of the survey, the applicants already submitted complete grading plan,. So why don't we just ask yeah applicants engineer if they're here? If, if that run off his control.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: bill. I don't know if you want to assign that task to answer that question someone or if you've got it.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: was just asking if there was a question if it is yes.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, charlie hager,, or can you be available to speak about how that works? Yeah.

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Charlie hager,, p.e., jva, civil: sure well.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah charlie, we're just wondering if if the dog park area run off was controlled through the site, grading or if it could possibly run into the pond.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva, civil: yeah, I believe it working with a landscape architect is going to have some type of a curveball around a fence, and I believed all of that. We can look at that again during the tech, doc process,, but the agenda will be collected and I believe that.

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Charlie hager, p.e., jva civil:, probably 95% of our of our developed area, will go to our water quality areas before she's blowing off towards the north to the pond and anything that area will remain native grasses. So it'll be a nice filtration area headed towards upon,, but I believe that water is going to be collected.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and the other notice that the dog on his fence, then it's since it's a professionally managed property. They do remove or just gotten confirmation the dog we removed daily. So it's not like.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, the description of like some of these private yard work is left there. So it's also here's the curve and it's great separated with offense.

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Pb sarah silver:- I just want to follow up with charlie, if you don't mind coming back, I'm not a water engineer,, but what so, when you say, 95% will be moved in the direction of the pond.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil: I'm. pb, sarah silver:, paraphrasing what you said.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil:, let me, let me,. Let me clarify that. There's the natural pond and that'll area back there will remain on we're not doing any greeting.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil: back there,, but on site,. I think we have five detention or detention, slash water quality basins or areas that are part of the development that per per the city regulations, every staff and his group,. We will.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil:, we take our storm water and we run it through on site detention, water quality areas for the codes before releasing it off of our developed area..

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Pb, sarah silver: and when it gets released off the developed area, it gets released into what.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil:, the western, the west side of this will be released into that to west channel.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva, civil: is,, you see there, and on the east side,, where we can we're going in. There is an interesting storm pipe on the.

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Charlie hager, p.e., jva civil: along the east side and part of that and the rest of it will go to the north and will be released and we're anywhere,. We have a release pie,. We have to create a natural, recreate, a natural sheet flow.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil: out to the vegetated area out to the north and essentially replicate the existing drainage characteristics in terms of the flow rates.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so charlie, just you know sarah's looking like she has more questions,, but maybe this will help.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, this water doesn't go out of these pipes, doesn't come out of these detention basins and in sheet flow out of these pipes. Into.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: any of the waterways,, even the. pb harmon zuckerman: pond or the creek until we're in a basically a flooding situation. Where there's you know enough water that it's actually not just percolating into the ground.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: right charlie.

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Charlie hager, p.e., jva civil:, that's right, and, I would say in general, we will go through in meet all of the stormwater. The design, construction standard for the city work very closely with edward staff.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil: to make sure we're meeting on this, don't want to run off requirements, again,. That means detaining our flow to replicate the natural.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil: current conditions flow rate and also running it through a very extensive water quality areas. Typically, a rain garden sand, filter, type system.

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Charlie hager, p.e. jva civil: that helps slow the water cleans. The water cools the water and allows it privately infiltrate in those rain gardens before being released from the developer.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, there's rain gardens are the places that correct collect the wastewater that, whether it's rappers or other kinds of waste, and they have to be cleaned and now and then so. That's the system to answer your question.

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Bill holicky coburn, architecture: directly before the water goes into the creek of the bond,. It has to buy code with your water quality system.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: so. pb harmon zuckerman:. Are we thinking conditions? Are we thinking to move on to key issue to or does anybody else have any more comments to make about the analysis? Key issue, one.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: lisa., pb, harmon, zuckerman: well.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: I'll just say: that, overall,. I think it does.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: need to use review criteria. I think we're back on that one.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: a ton of work, because obviously going into this, it's been pretty meticulously.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: worked through,, although I appreciate some of the questions folks are asking,. I also think the market demands, what the market demands, and you know if they're having trouble.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: leasing some of those larger units. That might be something for us to think about overall, as a city in terms of you know who feels like they can afford to live here, but I'm not sure that forcing larger units, if they can't rent them now, is necessarily going to fix anything.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, so yeah, I won't a lot of what I kind of think is good about. The project has already been touched on by other board members,. So I won't repeat those things,, but I do think that it meets us review. Criteria.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: right, just to make sure we're on key issue: water on site review criteria, and you said, use review a couple. Of.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: times,. Yes, I think that's good.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you mean by reveal.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: yeah. pb, harmon zuckerman:. That could be very well be.

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Peter vitale: here I had to restart my laptop, so I was gone for 90 seconds or so, or we.

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Peter vitale: were on three kiss. You three did we dispose of that now we're going back, up.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, I think, so if.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, you are only going.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: lisa and I are on the same page,. He must have been gone for more than 90 seconds,. We haven't been on youth.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: kiyoshi three for a while,, but we're going to go back,. We did go back to key issue one and we're working our way through that so peter, do you have any any thoughts on whether the any anything to add to the question of whether the project meet site, review, criteria.

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Peter vitale:, I agree that meets that review criteria,. It is a shame. That.

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Peter vitale:, now I'm going to save that for the job for later harmon keep going make your last round.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: will be waiting for the joke with bated breath for sure,. In the meantime, does anybody have anything more to add on to number one or.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: does that mean. pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: I'll just add that I was impressed with the handling of the.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, noise and older issue that was brought up a concept review,. I want to commend the applicants for for addressing that and having a really good answer for that. Thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, that's great sarah. Does that mean that you are satisfied around the water quality and treatment.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: to the point where you're not going to suggest the condition.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, that are you as well.

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Pb, john gerstle: on one side.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, then, let's move on to question number two. So we've got three buildings, out of the 10 that are looking for a height modification that basis being that,, even though they're not.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: in the black and areas on appendix j that would allow for a site review, based.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: height modification, more than 40% of the floor area, is dedicated to affordable housing units in each one of those three buildings and, and so that's the.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: basic.

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pb harmon zuckerman: synopsis of the issue. Does anybody have anything to.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well,. We said before that. No one had an issue with the modification. Does anybody want to expand on that a little and brighter? On that a little? He is my favorite crystal isn't.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, up to put her hand up.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yes,, I I was looking at the issue with the parking which is you know,, the main.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: building that require the high modification,. I mean there were some other ones,, but that was the one with the largest number of feet and I thought given.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: the great job that they did and put it in the metal mecca work and in their potential future uses for that structure,. I thought it was just well done. So, it just merits.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, you know, an approval for that, at least without part. I thought it was. I like good ideas. I think that's. What was one good idea of many,, but they're? Definitely that one.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. I think this is an area where you know we heard, as we talked about community benefit.,.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, several members of developing communities spoke to the fact that they can't sell height.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and that you know the, the key to getting more affordable housing was to allow more density and intensity of use and not simply height,, but in this case, I think.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the height modification, has allowed for more affordable units on this site,, and so it actually work to achieve that goal. And- and I think that it was done in a way that that is.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: really compatible with the character of the area,, the eclectic character of the earth,, so I think it needs the height modification requirements.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: and yeah. I agree completely with that. Maybe now is a good time to point out. That.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, because now my assumption is that, because of the 40% floor area requirement for this, that that means that the lion's share of affordable units will be in buildings, one,. Two and 10.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, which, if we're going to talk about distributing you, know playing around with that, and I don't know if all of them are it could be that.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: they're just enough to get to 40%. There might be a few in the other buildings, I'm not sure if we heard that,, but I just want to point that out. If we start to talk about.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, trying to determine whether affordable units would be on this in the same building with the restaurant.

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Does that's building one.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, and I don't know if, if if somebody wants to answer, whether there are affordable units outside of buildings, one,, two and 10 or if we needed to put them all there to meet height, thing.

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Cob michelle allen: yeah, I can address that for you, david. All of the affordable units are in buildings, one,, two and can,, with the exception of the two townhomes mountain yeah okay.

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Cob michelle allen: in order to meet that 40% floor area, special.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: thank you.

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Pb, john gerstle: so.

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Pb, john gerstle: acquire. pb, john gerstle:, so does that mean that the apartments just above the restaurant are likely to be.

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Pb, john gerstle:, the affordable apartments of that size.

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peter vitale:, and more than likely.

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pb, john gerstle:. So I'm just I'm just trying to think of how to take that into account with the with the noise that can be anticipated.

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Cob michelle allen: yeah, I mean. cob, michelle allen:. Think of it. This way, buildings, one,, two and 10 are approximately.

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Cob michelle allen: well, there,, there are between there about 45% affordable.

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Cob, michelle allen:, you know,, put coming close to half of those buildings are affordable, units.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, just to illustrate the numbers,. We have a bit more than 50% in those buildings that are market rate. So john answer that question,, the majority of the units above the restaurant will be market rate, but it's a slight majority.

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Pb, john gerstle: so and I'm thinking of the ones directly above on the on the second floor.

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Pb, john gerstle: is that going to be distributed between market rate and affordable.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so one of the interesting things about housings purview over affordable housing is it in this particular case,? They also have purview over where those affordable units are.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, so one of the reviews that michelle has done is looked at the locations of each affordable unit with respect to her so use the middle.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and approve the equivalency so, in other words, and maybe michelle. I should just turn it over to you how you look at what the equivalent your locations, are.

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Pb, john gerstle: yeah I'd be interested to hear that.

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Cob michelle allen: yeah well,, as you know,, it's pretty rare.

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Cob michelle allen: well,. This is the first time we've had affordable units distributed in a rental project.

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Cob, michelle allen:, so that's just one thing: I can't say, well,. We always do it this way, because it's the first time we've done it,, but we have done affordable units many, many times in condo projects where they're for sale units and.

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Cob michelle allen: yeah, so I just ensure that the code, the code does allow them to aggregate them into building into a couple buildings,, and that is to allow for a lie. Tech, project.

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Cob, michelle allen:, it wasn't specifically for this situation. They are still doing they're using light text in this project. If you're familiar with light texts that are low income, housing, tax, credits.

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Cob michelle allen:, but the, but I look when I look at how they're distributed in the building and make sure that they're spread out that they're, not all in the least desirable places.

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Cob, michelle allen:, you know that we have corner units both affordable and market, so some of the corner, units,, the more desirable corner units are affordable units and- and I did that in this case and and approved the location of those units.

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Cob michelle allen: okay,, so within the buildings.

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Cob michelle allen: within the building.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay,, so above the restaurant. On the second floor, it's not all.

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Pb, john gerstle:, affordable housing units. Now, okay, that's that's what I wanted to learn.

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Cob, michelle allen: know, and that's sort of the the approach that we take,, which is that,. If there are market units there.

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Cob michelle allen: and, and then we can put some affordable units there as well.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and john and actually went the other way, I think, from like,. If you think about the downtown where everybody wants to live above the restaurants in the hustle and bustle.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: zillow felt that those margaret that was desirable from market rate standpoint and the concession that they felt was actually allowing affordable there. So there's 5050 split came from the other direction from their leasing point of view. So it's just interesting how it's perceived.

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Pb, john gerstle: okay, well, it one can quibble about whether you want it or not,. I just wanted to make sure there was some reasonable distribution, their of.

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Cob michelle allen: their,, I can assure.

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Pb, john gerstle:, affordable okay, thank you.

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Cob, michelle allen:, but that's what I. cob michelle allen: say when I, when I look at the plans.

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When. pb harmon zuckerman: first of all,. Bravo michelle that that that's really amazing the way you've distributed that and bravo to the developer for giving you the purview to do that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. It sounds terrific to have a project that has affordable units distributed like that,, but you know I'll also point out to you, john, that I lived over bars intentionally and exclusively for most of my 20s and half my 30, so yeah there are people who do prefer that.

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William shutkin: well, I.

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William shutkin: harmon, it's exciting, can, I just add one more quick guide. I'm.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: sure this. isn't.

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William shutkin: at least not at least today,. We have not contemplated sort of a really rowdy you know.

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William shutkin: restaurant scene, what we've really been thinking about the last several years and we've been fact talked to restaurant tours.

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William shutkin: is more like a cured or a bad bets, bakery a place. That's really elegant and nice,. In fact,, we heard from the neighbors they'd love a spot where there could be poetry, readings.

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William shutkin:, so we've always sort of talks about poetry, readings versus rock bands and we've talked about you know: baking, bread and pizza and wine and beer versus.

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William shutkin: some kind of more active and and loud sort of us,. You know that might change. We don't have the program finalized,, but we have a vision of a mixed use. Building where the restaurant use is really quite elegant and and kind of earthy, and not something that we think will become a nuisance.

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Pb, john gerstle:, well, god bless you good intention,, so I hope you.

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Pb, john gerstle: we've we've dealt noise issues in the.

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pb, john gerstle: past. Make me very cautious.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. So let's, um if we're here, that.

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Peter vitale: have a quick question following on that piece, I help us right place for it. Has.

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Peter vitale: I've heard in certain conversations and circles that mit that managing.

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Peter vitale: communities, where the the units are integrated like this is often can bring up more management issues than not.

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Peter vitale:- and I don't know if the developer has experienced and other cities where they have done this, this integrated setup and, if so,, what kind of management plans are in place for that? It's something that.

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Peter vitale:, I learned about and heard about just to policy discussions, some curious about that, and if it came from the city had a point on that,, especially since this is new,, but from what I've heard in other jurisdictions. That.

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David zucker:, can you can you elaborate on your question further because I have the. I have in fact opposite experience with with managing mixed income projects,. But what what have you.

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Peter vitale:, what your answer my answer, my question: that what I had heard.

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Peter vitale: in policy discussions is not something you've experienced in the real world. So.

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David zucker:, I can, I mean this is this is really interesting for this and I'm sure that this group will will will be interested in it, I'm so close built,. I think there are seven or eight it joe containing projects in downtown denver and zuko belt right right, built.

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David zucker: for of the seven., david zucker: and so I,, I think the most interesting of these was was also actually the first leed certified project river clay.

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David zucker: and in that case., david zucker:, what we found was that there was, as far as just the marketing- and there was a lot more interest in the property,, because it was really clear. We we advertise the fact that it was a mixed income. Property.

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David zucker: it was, it was for sale and we sold out in january of 2009. If anybody remembers, the economic strife of 2009 was a. It was not a good time to be selling condos. I think that leed certification.

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David zucker:, and and and manifest commitment to to mixed income were the two drivers that the goddess to close out in january, as far as as far as management goes. What's interesting is that.

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David zucker:, when we think about. david zucker:, when we think about bad debt, people that aren't paying rent. Typically, that's in any given market for a market rate project. That's perhaps somewhere around 4%, 3%, affordable, affordable units and michelle and encourage, could affirm this. I typically half that rate.

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David zucker:, so the the affordable units are so rare, and people recognize that. So it's this, this rare commodity really is is cared for,. We we have not had any issues. In fact, it's only been, I think, general, and one of the reasons we want to do this, is that with it with.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: david, I'm going to cut you off. I we got to get back to deliberating with,. Thank you for that. Information.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: any other questions about the.

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pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, okay, david and find it yeah thanks. For.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. The reason that I brought that up here was that we were talking about that the affordable housing in the height thing,, but I knew it would inform what we're going to talk about in the next one,. So thank you for that. Little diversion into the restaurant for a bit.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I do want to just point out to that, as we consider the constraints, as many people from the public and have pointed out tonight.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. Those constraints were made tighter because of the negotiations that got us to this point,. We had 40% across the site in a concept review,, which would have meant that those could have been just.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, put in all the buildings, so there's these trade offs,, and so I just want to point out that this is the trade off that happened from reducing.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, you know,, adding some parking and taking away some some units and and things like and and just and and also reducing the building so anyway, just wanted to point that out.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: great. Thank you any other comments on the special standards for notification.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, and let's move to the third and I, the only sticky issue of the four major issues that we discussed, at least from our negative falling,. The first time, through, which is the us review criteria, and I'm just going to you, know quickly, go over.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: the the proposed uses which do require use review and why? It's in front of us, for us to review tonight.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so there are five of them, and the first one is efficiency living units over 40%, dr h4, in the district.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and,, and I think that you know I'm going to also just probably make my only comment and just tell you how I feel about each one of these, as I go, and so you know, I agree with staff that this is.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, a criterion, that's been met and I talked about it a little bit before about getting some sort of built in non deed, restricted, affordability through the 40% email us. The second criteria is professional, technical or other offices within the range for his own district.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. I have no problem with that. You know, in general, this. If we have an issue with jobs, having balance in too many jobs, yes,, there are a few jobs in these offices, but.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: there's also an opportunity for people to live and work in the exact same place and to create more of a 24 hour. Neighborhood.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: an activity during the nine to five hours,, which I think makes this a better neighborhood.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and,, and so I'm in support of that we,. The third is, can be in retail sales within the rh for his own district. That requires us review to be approved.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and, and I think 317 units at 50. You know 58 arapahoe, be a good idea for people to be able to walk out of their building and get to a convenience store without having to get into their car,. So I think that is very well matt..

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the restaurant brew pub or tavern within the rh for zone districts, is the fourth use review, that's being requested, and I'm not that concerned with with the noise, you know,, I think, generally,. We were we have.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: restaurant uses or brew pub uses in residential high zone districts,. They have use review requirements like they have to have the noise shut off by 11 o'clock. We have that condition here, already, and you know.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, there's not really a lot out east on arapahoe to provide a place for folks in the neighborhood to go, and you know get a bite to eat..

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Pb harmon zuckerman: see each other meet some friends from the community,, so you know I don't want to condition the restaurant.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: group up to the point where you know everybody's got to go home at seven o'clock and you know go back into their houses, again. I think it's a nice idea to have a place where.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: people can go out and meet each other and then finally, residential users within the district probably want to have the most heartburn with you know, I've been a champion for.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, maintaining as much industrial zone property as we can in in this community and not converting industrial uses to residential uses.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, but a lot of, that is, you know,, driven by the fear of a community, that's less resilient because it doesn't have the.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: types of users, that are available in the ice in this case we're talking about vacant land, so we're not replacing anything.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and, and I think, by creating affordable housing at the scale is this project is creating affordable housing,. While we may be losing potential resilience in industrial zone land that could.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: house, you know some kind of a firm that might you know, build something, make something or fix something we're certainly providing housing for people who can do all those things are who are more likely to do all those things, then.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you know folks, who.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: have million multimillion dollar houses,. I guess you know,. I think, having a place where working class folks can live is a big piece of resilience, and so I think that's.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that works for me as well,, so I find that the the application meets all of the criteria for use review for all five request to use, reviews and I'll turn it over to the board.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: there and then david.

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Pb sarah silver: okay,, so um I would agree with you on everything except the restaurant brew pub. I'm I'm just gonna as always read what I've written, because that's the easiest way to keep track of yep. All of these code, issues.

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Pb sarah silver: so.

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pb, sarah silver:, the applicant is requesting pretty significant variance or modification.

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Pb sarah silver: from what's in the code they're requesting 4000 plus square feet with a potential operating hours between 6am and 2am, every day.

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Pb sarah silver:, while the criteria criteria and they use table,, which is a little confusing states that an rh under nine dash six dash one.

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Pb sarah silver: or h4 does not allow restaurants, brew, pubs, taverns over 1500 square feet and which closed after 11pm and requires use review for the same category up to 1000 square feet and that close no later than 11pm or up to 1500 square feet, or which closed after 11pm. So there's actually no.

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Pb sarah silver: no,, allowing for a.

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Pb sarah silver: site this large, my problem is actually not the size of the of the proposed size of the restaurant. It's the hours and the potential noise- and I guess might the condition, I would like to suggest- is one that.

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Pb sarah silver: has specific hours and that are that perhaps are a little more stringent than are currently in the conditions, and my rationale for that is.

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Pb sarah silver:- this is still this is going to be a primarily residential community and as a residential community,, even though,. When you were 20, you might have wanted to live over a bar.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: hopefully,, even 30.

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pb, sarah silver:, he or even 30. You apparently needed less sleep than I did. But.

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Pb sarah silver: and I lived in new york, for a long time,, so I know from noise,, but I just think we want to make sure that this is a community where families with young children can can live and and the kids can get sleep and so..

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Pb sarah silver:, I mean,, I can come up with hours,, but I would suggest that this I'm fine with the fifth 4500 square feet,, but I think it should close at 11 and maybe outdoor noise and that nine or 930.

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Pb sarah silver:, at least during the week weekdays and maybe a slightly different hours on the weekend. So that's the kind of condition I'm thinking about.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: it before we get too deep into the condition. Let's just ask flown, if you know, out of the 4500 square, feet.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: for this broad set of uses. If a restaurant came in that wanted, 2400 square feet of it and had a plan and needed to apply for building permits for the tenant fit out and stuff, would they go through their own use, review and would planning board get another bite at that apple.

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Cob sloane walbert:, I'm sorry, are you asking if they are modifying what they're proposing what they have to go through? Another use for review or an additional additional restaurant.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah, I'm asking if if these are sort of outer limit conditions for anything that could possibly go in there,, but depending on the youth that that actually goes in there, based on tenancy.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: would would would a leaf staff and possibly planning board seat again.

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Cob sloane walbert: right, so that's a good point,, so I would just point out,, as the applicant pointed out, is,, these are really written to be very broad, purposely so that they can accommodate a future tenant without going through a use. Review.

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Cob sloane walbert: some of our experiences in like the transit village and that they just have a hard time finding a tenant that can fit that exact.

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Cob sloane walbert: conditions of approval,, but from an applicant's perspective, they're designing the building, as you can see, to accommodate a restaurant. So these are very broad.

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Cob sloane walbert: conditions purposely and I think they'd probably support you cutting it back. I also just wanted to point out that the restaurant is in the rh for district.

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Pb sarah silver: sarah. So when I say orange yeah.

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Cob sloane walbert:, I know,, so you are reading the the.

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Cob sloane walbert: igf, zone., cob sloane walbert:, oh, was I am so it's. cob sloane walbert: allowed with us review just just wanted to clarify that.

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Pb sarah silver:, I think what I have here is used to review, requires use review for this category,. So I mean I ok, ok, but.

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Pb sarah silver: there is no,, there is no allowed for 4500 square foot. Restaurant.

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Pb sarah silver: so anyways I.

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pb sarah silver:, fair enough,. I appreciate the correction,. I really do.

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Pb sarah silver: and I would like to have a condition that limits hours a little more tightly than the condition that has currently pending.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so who is next david.

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pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: yeah, am I muted? No I'm not.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, okay, yeah,. Let me just start by saying: I really wanted to echo a lot of what harmon said with regards to the.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, bcp policies, and I just wanted to read the one that supports the residential big district, because I'm not quite as worked up about that as as I think.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, some of my colleagues might be mainly because I've not seen a whole lot of data that shows that, if we add a little residential next to you, know.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: jason to the industrial that I haven't seen a lot of data that says what the negative outcomes are with regards to the existing industrial, but the.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. The criteria that I see is is necessary to foster a specific city policy as expressing the boulder valley comprehensive plan,, including without limitation, historic preservation, moderate income, housing, residential and non residential mixed uses.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: as appropriate locations living quarters for special populations,, so that that specific city policy is what I why I think that we are really.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: pretty much moved to allow the email us in the residential and id district,. So I I just I'm pretty convinced with that and I it sounds like there's.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: planning board support for that,, but I just wanted to read that. With regards to the restaurant,, I mean this this.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: proposal has been going on for a long time and we put these guys through a lot of hoops that there's there's no existing next door. Neighbor right on that corner.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. We do a really good job of making boulder very, very conservative with regards to nightlife, and I just don't know that I can support.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, continuing to just like, have a knee jerk reaction that we can't allow some flexibility. We've got busta in the peloton. That's a highly loved place to go have dinner. I haven't heard anybody in the peloton complain about it.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. If you move into the peloton, you know it's there,, so I I'm really kind of I I'm against adding conditions so I'll just put that out there as a as a strong statement,. Otherwise I think I'm in agreement with my other planning board members.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: john.

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Pb, john gerstle: well,, I harmon, I think, you, you described the situation very well and I agree with your analysis,, but I also agree with sarah's regarding the concern about the noise and I think at 11, o'clock.

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Pb, john gerstle:, no noise barrier is entirely reasonable.

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Pb, john gerstle: and in fact an external nine o'clock limit on on broadcast noise, is also reasonable.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: anyone else. pb, harmon, zuckerman: peter.

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Peter vitale: david.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so one of the things that I would point out is that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, they don't know exactly what they're they're going to get and in terms of tenants,, and so you know the the idea that the youth has to be closed between 2am and 6am..

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Pb harmon zuckerman: sounds like wow. They can operate 20 hours, a day,, but you know I don't foresee there being one restaurant likely that would operate the 20 hours a day,. But what wouldn't it be nice? If you live.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: in this neighborhood that there was a coffee shop that opened up at six where you get your cup of coffee,. That would be allowed under this use review as a restaurant.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and then say a brew pub or a tavern where you go get something to eat,. You know late at night and then stay there until two when the bar closes. You know or one I don't know, but that I think that's the idea that there are there's a multiplicity of uses.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: that are being proposed, and without a youth review that leaves room for all of them. It's difficult to to find those tenants and to get that mix.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: so,, you know as far as maybe.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: limiting sound or you know the outdoor dining.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: to certain hours.

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pb harmon zuckerman:. Maybe you know I'm not too hot on the idea,, but if, if there was a majority of planning board, I might be swayed, but the those approved use you'll be closed for 2am to 6am seven days. A week, actually think that's fine.

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Pb, john gerstle: got my concern: is the noise, not whether it's open, so as far as you know,? If it opens at six and goes until two, that's fine as long as they're, not making noise and disturbing the neighbors.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: any other thoughts. pb harmon zuckerman: on how to accomplish that or where,. If you don't share that goal with peter.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I just wanna- I concur with john and and sarah regarding the timing,, especially with families.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, the bacon, be open,, but it just be conscious of of disturbances,, especially with families being in the building. If it's a you know, another.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya:, building separate from housing is, does not a big deal,, but when you are in the same building as for some of the flat families,, then I think it's a different story. Altogether.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so just maybe you could tell them a little bit in terms of the noise,. The opening hours is not the real problem here to me, either.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: lisa, I'm going to put you on the spot,. Where do you stand on this.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: I think, similar to what we heard from the pita and others. um It feels a little bit like a solution in search of a problem,, but at the same time I don't want us to set ourselves up to have a problem, and no way to manage it.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, I'm not that concerned about a place being open late,. I think I'm kind of a night owl, so you know I think it's nice to have a coffee shop or you know somewhere where you are a nice bar, where you can sit and be there late into the night,. If you want to be.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: and I think that's part of a vibrant and safe community actually to have more places, are open later tonight and have activity on the street, and so on,. But I also appreciate the concerns around noise. It sounded like the intent or hope was to attract tenants,, and by that I mean.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, not residential, tenants, but., pb,, lisa c. smith:. You know folks, who are coming into those spaces to operate or restaurants or so on. Who would be compatible with the use of residences, so.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, we I could kind of go either way. You know, I feel like on one hand we're kind of trying to legislate something, that's not an issue,, yet at the same time, we certainly see this sometimes coming up as a problem elsewhere,, you know so I'm comfortable with you know something around the noise.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:, because we don't know what the animal probably have to do that later,. But I don't see a need to restrict operating hours.

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Pb, sarah silver:. So what? If? What? If it was a condition that was something like.

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Pb sarah silver: no amplified noise outdoors after no amplified noise after nine and no activity outdoors after 11.

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Peter vitale:, what's the existing, we feel like we retrace the steps once before, where.

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Peter vitale: there are. peter vitale: rules in place, right.

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Pb sarah silver: well,, the six to 2am 6am to 2am, I think, is the state regulations.

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Peter vitale: and then noise decibel levels.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well,, the noise that will level there, based on the zoning district, and how much noise can be measured at the property line, and I don't know whether it's 65 or 55 decibels in this district,. But it's something that can be measured. It's either one of those numbers.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so you know that's not going to be a condition,, because that applies everywhere,. But you know if you can measure, a noise louder than the code allows. Then there's a violation. Period.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, but right now the condition as it's written is. There should be no amplified sound on the outdoor patio after 11.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and there's no limitation on amplified sound inside there's only the 11 o'clock limitation on outside.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:. So what we're hearing is that these three planning board members would be interested in limiting.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: the time where sound can be amplified outdoors and also maybe indoors.

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Pb sarah silver: well,, the entire sound, presumably it's the building has been built in a way that that sound is not gonna right bell. How lucky I see you nodding.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: they just want to see the applicant is, is good, with what you're suggesting 11:11pm non amplifying cut off at 9pm amplified cut off.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:. So if that's a condition to board wants to pursue that, that's fine.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture: and I would just say,, like you,, just think about still yards all the change over trying to get a restaurant that actually work they're trying to find a tenant to fill the spaces, is going to be challenging. You know, there's a new spot,, so the.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, greater the flexibility to better just, as was mentioned, like maybe a coffee shop,, maybe something later, but.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, but that that suggestion for that noise modification is fine with the applicant. Anything else you can provide for flexibility would be helpful for making the community spot.

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Pb sarah silver: okay.

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pb, sarah silver:, thank you for passing that along.

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pb sarah silver:, so I'm. pb sarah silver: carmen should I make sure I propose a condition or start writing one out. So when it's time to propose one.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah. If you want that's, that's fine, I mean well we'll get to the voting in a minute sounds like. I would just say that you know, we had a. We had a very controversial planning board hearing, two weeks ago with a neighborhood that wanted quiet and we made the quiet hour started. 10.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you know I I heard you say nine for know, amplified sound and 11 for for know non amplified. Sound.

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Pb sarah silver: yeah,, but this is not an apartment,. This is not the same thing as marco has,. This is a bar,. This will be a restaurant. Slash are slash, tavern it'll, be something where alcohol is served. Versus.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: people, yeah. pb, sarah silver:. I just think it's I think it's my own personal feeling is it's a different beast than martha and I don't.

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Pb, sarah silver:. I would hope that it would. What I keep going back to. You is what the situation that we had with.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, reverend was. pb, sarah silver:, referring would thank you so much, and you know we spent hours on that and.

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Pb sarah silver: it'd be nice to not do that. Again.

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Pb sarah silver: without. pb sarah silver: imposing on the applicants ability to to for there to be a restaurant, tavern or bar in there I'll stop right. There.

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Peter vitale:, are we worried about the residents of the development? Are we worried about neighbors who don't live there, because if.

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Peter vitale:, they have a problem with the noise. People won't live there and they'll find a tenant who will abide by the rules that they need in order to have a viable business.

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Peter vitale: no one's been conscripted and forced to live there to choose to live there and they won't live there, or if it's too noisy because we're worried about. I don't think it's a problem,. I think you know police itself.,.

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Pb sarah silver: well, that's I peter. I think that's.

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Pb sarah silver: flooded response. Personally, it we've just were approved, where we're voting on something that's going to have at.

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Pb sarah silver: permanently affordable units there, so they're going to be people who don't have particularly large number of choices about where they can live, and what we're hoping, is that this is a community that will have young couples with children, like it's just about. I mean I realized that there.

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Peter vitale: is that I get that you were, you were talking about, river was and then martha and those were about the neighbors not into internal. So I wanted to clarify what lines we're talking about. Here.

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Peter vitale: because they certainly get blurred for me. peter vitale: thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah, I think that's it.

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pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: yeah. One thing that we did talk about with referring woods,, I believe, was also different. Hours.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: on the weekend, by the way,, I'm happy that people are not pushing to limit that open hours,. So that was probably my most sticky point because I was getting nervous about this idea of trying to.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: you're, trying to make a restaurant, I have to close so early, but um but yeah.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. We talked about having different hours on the weekend or during the weekdays too. So that's always a possibility,. If, if it sounds like the applicant is somewhat flexible and if we want to try to come up with something, that's a little more flexible on the weekends.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I don't know how people feel about that as well.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman:, yeah I'd agree with that, and you know I heard the applicants say that they would. They would accept the condition, but would appreciate additional.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: flexibility and that without the flexibility it's been hard to tenant at the steel yards,, and so I don't want to set them up for that same issue,. So you know I.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, guess that at this point I'm hearing enough appetite for a condition on the planning board that I really focus on coming up with a little bit of additional flexibility within a condition or conditions..

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and then see if we can get folks to agree to that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: peter.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yeah I like to draw on the experience of those of you who have.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: children,, especially those who had the opportunity to leave in a and more in housing, that is, alongside this kind, I lived in my and you know separate houses and when my children were young, we lived in rural upstate, new york,, where I had no worries about who go hear. Me.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: in so, but I am I'm appreciative of having to live because I'm in boulder now I can hear people talking outside my.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, my my house and I live in a separate house and living in an apartment building,. So I would imagine this worse in there.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: so, for those of you who have had still remember what it was like to have children and having to deal with noise,. If you ever remember or went through that just kind of think about.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: how helpful that band will have been having you know earlier: quiet hours as opposed to 11, whether it's nine or 10.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, because I think that's where we going really. We just want to think in advance to support this new tenants it, so they can have a good good experience there. At the same time, we we don't want to harm the opportunities for the.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, you know, for the developers to find a business, who wants to do business there,. So I think we gotta just maybe think a little bit morning and provide the best solution for both. You know football,, then the developer, as much as the future tenants.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: peter. peter vitale: oh, to add that those are chefs those later shifts or shifts that people can work, who may not.

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Peter vitale: that it's also employment opportunities and it's the ability,, some people,, that is their means of living,, as well as servers, as.

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Peter vitale:, you know so there's a lot that goes into it taking away,. I agree with the noise thing, and I think there are ways I think we're on track with the noise.

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Peter vitale: and I like what david said about open hours, flexibility in that regard. We don't we do need those types of options in boulder and there are not many other options in that area.

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Peter vitale: at all, you will get in a car, otherwise,, so this will.

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Peter vitale: limit car trips and it could provide employment and a vibrant, spot, and we,. As long as we have the noise.

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Peter vitale: guidelines, the african is happy with, I think uncomfortable.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so we are sir, are you suggesting just modifying.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: condition foresee,. There should be no amplified sound on the outdoor patio after 11 and changing 11 to a different time.

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Pb sarah silver: yeah cuz, I'm not hearing support for.

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Pb sarah silver: limiting the out the evening open hours from two to something lower. I presume that the applicant will.

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Pb sarah silver: make a decision when it discovers when he or she discovers whether there's an appetite for restaurant to stay open until two in the morning.

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Pb, sarah silver:! So here's what I here's! Here's! What I write wrote down, based on what I was hearing and.

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Pb sarah silver: totally change can all can be changed,, which would be that sunday through thursday.

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Pb sarah silver: no outside amplified music after 9pm and no inside amplified music after 11pm and then friday and saturday, no outside amplified music after 11pm and note inside amplified music after midnight,. What do you want? How do people feel about that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so I be concerned with the inside amplified music limitation, because I think that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, if you're, if you're having a late night meal at a restaurant that stays open till one and then at 11 o'clock, the music stops. Okay, it gets awkward.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: you know, like. Why would even keep the restaurant open.

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Pb sarah silver: alright,, so just focus on outside amplified music.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: difference between live.

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pb,, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, rock and roll band, and and just music like jazz music playing over pa system.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, you know,, and I agree shutting off at 11. Some jazz music playing over a pa would be really jarring.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I will imagine also maybe this build convention to this- about the special dispositions in terms of noise in places like restaurants,, but I'm sure that acoustics are, you know somewhat safeguarded and those kind of environment.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. That's the question. I think don't want to mention something about that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well. bill holicky, coburn architecture:. I don't have to,, but if that's a question, I'm happy to I'm.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, already kind of prompted you about talking about installation of found about 10 minutes ago,, so you might as well.

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Bill holicky coburn, architecture: yeah. I mean the last thing that anybody who's, renting apartments or flats or units needs is, you know, noise problem in those units. That's a really good way to 70 units and remember half of those units and market rate down so.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture: that concern that it would only apply to affordable units wouldn't be true, so yeah there are.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:. There are building code standards that we have to follow that relate to how much sound transfer, there can be between floors. But in the case of someplace, where we're doing something.

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Bill holicky coburn architecture:, like a restaurant, that can be noisy downstairs. We were expect to take considerable extra steps to make sure that there's not going to be that problem, because again.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, you know just because the architect right, if I design a building and the client, comes and says hey, you know all these people can hear thumping bass all night. Well, not going to be in business. Very long, so.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. You know, we've already actually talked about that with that pre construction team I mentioned earlier, and talked about using things like had channel and dropped.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture:, drywall and installation, and you know resilient flooring under the flooring. There's all these things you can do to isolate the sound I just realized,. I was certainly get geeky about it. So I'll stop.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:, but yeah you know,. So I think that there's a difference between inside and outside of us for sure.

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Pb sarah silver: alright,, so thank bill,. Thank you. Very, very much um.

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Pb sarah silver:, so so having eliminated inside it's.

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Pb sarah silver:, the proposed a a proposal would be sunday through thursday, no outside amplified music after 9pm and then friday and saturday, no amplified music outside after 11pm.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: sounds pretty good to me.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah sounds pretty good to me. Too.

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Pb sarah silver:, I see lisa's thinking.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: works for me.

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Pb, john gerstle:, I I would accept them okay.

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Pb sarah silver:, all right. pb harmon zuckerman: that'd be happier with 930 than nine, but that sounds better. I don't know, for some reason.

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Pb sarah silver:, with 919 30, make more people happy.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, so. pb, sarah silver:, we'll make it 930 on sunday through thursday right.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, so are there any good job? Everybody? Is there anything else in use review that anybody wants to talk about, or can we go to the fourth and final d issue.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, so the fourth and final key issue is just that: 4.1% parking reduction and it just want somebody.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: other than me, because I've done all three is sort of throwing a bunch of stuff on the record,. But I like it when we create a robust record so.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: david,, if you want to handle giving some good reasons why you can support the parking reduction and get that on the record for us, anybody else have any comments. That'd be great.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: yeah. We routinely support parking reductions much higher than this one, there. We have seen the the bike parking. The bike share: we've seen electric vehicle stations, all kinds of things to encourage efficient use of cars.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, we've the eco pass program there right on the bus line with a station right in front of the of the development, and there is a multi use path going off in multiple directions: so.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, I think inspiring reduction is not only in line with the comp plan,, but it's what the comp plan would expect us to do. So. I'm just kind of sorry went down from 18.62 4.1 at the expensive dwelling units so yeah. I would support it.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: any other thoughts comments, additions to david's analysis.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,, well then,. Why don't it looks like what's going to happen here? Is we're going to.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: have emotion.

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pb harmon zuckerman: and the way that suggested motion language is written. The site review in the us to review are both to be approved in the same motion. So whoever makes the motion you're going to want to.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: you're going to want to make the change to condition foresee of the conditions of approval that farah suggested,. So I will say if, if there's no more deliberation, I'll entertain a motion.

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Pb sarah silver: and trying to find the conditions of approval at sloan. Do you by chance, remember what page it's on.

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Cob sloane walbert: sorry,. I don't have it open.

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pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, 2425, 2525 of 185, it's on page 188 and your path in the full package I.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: think that the condition, you want sarah's on.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, it's important.

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Pb sarah silver:, I'm looking I'm looking, I'm looking.

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pb sarah silver: 27 185 additional conditions for certain uses. Okay, yeah.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: page 27 of the 185.

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Pb sarah silver: alright, so I'll make a motion if.

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Pb sarah silver: any tray, someone. pb, sarah silver:, because I have this page open because someone else bring up the language of emotion that I'm supposed to. I have to read: out.

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Pb sarah silver: on the shared page.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I could read it for you,, but that's kind of awkward, but I guess.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, let's see if we can,, if stepped in, just put it up on on the screen for sarah right, now.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: we've been here, we've been here, we've been here for five hours and 56 minutes, we.

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Pb sarah silver: can. pb harmon zuckerman: can wait another minute and.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I should mention. pb, lupita d montoya:. I don't know you know this,, but sarah is in new york. City.

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Pb sarah silver:, I'm in washington, dc.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: I know.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, it's all not too late, in.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: the morning yeah.

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Pb sarah silver:, the only 2am here.

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Peter vitale:, oh no you're, not there for the the trials,. I hope you weren't there.

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Pb sarah silver: no,- no I'm here I'm here to visit family.

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Pb sarah silver: okay,, so I making a motion to approve site review case number l. You are 2019 dash 000 to one and use review case number l. You are 2019 dash 000 to two incorporating the staff memorandum, and the attached criteria checklists as findings, a fact and subject: to.

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Pb sarah silver: the conditions of approval recommended in the staff member memorandum with one change.

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Pb, sarah silver:, that change is condition for.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, b, c.

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pb, sarah silver: d, and it says yeah.

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Pb sarah silver: he already. pb harmon zuckerman: or be sorry.

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Pb sarah silver:, though the new condition is there shall be no amplified sound on the outdoor patio after 9:30pm sunday through thursday.

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Pb sarah silver: and now amplified sound after 11pm on friday and saturday.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, I second.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay,. We got emotion from silver and it's been seconded by n sign. Is there any discussion to the motion.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: okay, and I'm going to make that the motion of the planning board.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, the planning board.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: planning board moves to approve site review case number oh,. You are 2019 dash triple a 21 and use review case number oh,. You are 2019.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: triple a 22 incorporating staff member on the attached criteria; checklist, it's finding the fact and subject to the conditions of approval recommended in the staff memorandum,, but the following changed to condition for the.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, which show read there, shall be no amplified sound of the outdoor patio after 9:30pm sunday through thursday and 11pm.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: friday and saturday oh, take a roll call, vote and david.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: sarah.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: new pita.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: peter. hi., pb, harmon, zuckerman:, john., hi., pb, harmon, zuckerman:, lisa.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, I ok,, so the emotion passes seven to nothing, and with that minor change to the step, recommendation, the project to prison, regulations.

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Bill holicky, coburn architecture:. Thank you very much,. Thank you for the really long evening and all the hard work and effort you mentioned this before,, but this was three years of staff's life,. So thank you.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: and, like I said it was, it was really a team effort to get this all into all this interview criteria,. So thank you to staff,, thank you to you and we really appreciate.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. Thank you for not giving up.

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David zucker:, this is exciting, for us, it really is. We've wanted to be in boulder.

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David zucker:, so thank you guys for getting us one step closer,. I think that this is,, I think we're going to do really well in the city, and I think that we're going to bring some new ideas and inclusive,. So thank you.

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Peter vitale: awesome are there, nine to 930.

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peter vitale:. Every weekday is harman's anchorman.

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bill, holicky coburn, architecture: time yeah.

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William shutkin:, congratulations harmon on your your successful tenure as as planning board chair will, will miss you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: miss doing this and I'll miss staff and miss my fellow planning board members to.

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William shutkin:, thanks to the planning board, we really appreciate your your support and oversight.

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Bill holicky, coburn, architecture: lastly,, specifically thank you. Slowed.

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William shutkin: thank you, charles and edward the whole. The whole gang thank you.

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Cindy spence:, the second that motion.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: yeah, with david.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, tara, david., cindy spence: and mr thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: charles, do you have anything to say, or shall we move on to the next item.

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Cob,, charles ferro: yeah, we have one matter tonight and it's just an informational update for the.

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Cob,, charles ferro: police master plan, so it's just purely informational at this point. If there's any questions or comments,, chris anglos listed his information at the end of the memo you can reach out to him directly with any feedback. Any questions.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thank you okay,, so that was that was a the matter from the planning director there. Any other matters from the director.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: nothing.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: is here: himself. cob jacob lindsey:. The only other matter from the director is just to say thank you for your contribution to the city of boulder in your tenure on the planning board,. So thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well jacob. I'm really looking forward to watching the department blossom and continue to flourish under you, and it's been a real pleasure really as.

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Cob,, charles ferro: well,, I guess I'll.

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cob,, charles ferro:, you know, not just well. First, I'm really happy that we could send you off with a six hour. Meeting.

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Cob, charles ferro:, before I thank you for your service to the board,. You know the past five years have been really pivotal in boulder and I think you've really significantly contributed to some very transformative. Projects.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, I think that have helped implement in years and years of intentional planning efforts in boulder and that's everything from your work on you know the early bits of the first parts of the transit village, 30 pearl spark.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, you know, through a set of comp plan, updates.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, you know, major update and a midterm update. So it's quite a body of work and it's just so clear that you're passionate about the work and.

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Cob,, charles ferro: high quality,, sustainable design and more than anything,, I think the community and its future,. So I really appreciate your thoughtfulness and your leadership.

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Cob,, charles ferro: and your willingness to always engage in difficult discussions and your contributions to boulders planning legacy,. So I think we'd all be remiss if we didn't thank your family for sharing you with us on these late thursday.

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Nights. cob, charles ferro:, and I hope that there's a time where we can all celebrate together in the future,, so I think we're all going to miss you. I for one I'm really also going to miss your gratuitous use of the word foment.

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Cob,, charles ferro:, but thank you again for for your service. It's been a heck of a run.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: charles, that's just too sweet. Thank you so much for those words. I really appreciate that lupica.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yes,, I wanted to say thank you and I promised myself that I was gonna. Have a toast.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:: I have to run out there and get my little. What it's just little porto is nothing special. I'm not.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I'm a very light drinker, but our to make this a special just for you,. Thank you. I've learned a lot.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, even though we had challenging starting points,. I think we come a long way and I really appreciate all the learning that you have so generously parking on many of us, and we can count on you. On.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: teaching us every time would we need to be taught stuff,, and so I, like I said I really enjoyed my time in the board,. I think I've learned a lot and I can see,. I think it in a more.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: clear away, how we can come to serve this community coming from very different places and converge in a place. Where.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: we're truly. What we want is what's best for the city,. We just need to contribute differently,, so thank you and- and I hope to get to see you doing all their stuff for the city along the way,. Thank you.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: thanks david.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: yeah I'll join the pta in a toast. Although I'm pretending there's something in here and.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I just wanted to acknowledge your fabulous leadership over the last year, and, as the chair, and also your guidance throughout my tenure on planning board and peter, and I joined the same time, four years. Ago.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: you've been a real role model for us, someone to really kind of model, our behavior after your ability, to.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: to lead the team and to help us stick with criteria. Stay with the plan and get things done is just.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: amazing, but so you do that with a sense of discipline, but also giving us a chance to also express our personalities and to contribute in ways that are you know beyond just the criteria as well,. So I think that you strike a wonderful balance and I will really miss having that.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: that that, rather than kind of guides us along and it's been an absolute pleasure and I'm I'm also looking forward to the dinner.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well, that there is no way that dinner is going to be as sweet as listening to all you and the nice thing that you're saying.

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Peter vitale:, that is sweet thanks for taking care of us all this time and using the experience you had as a in an apartment in tahoe, and I think what you brought, and you know just the constant respect for staff and modeling that I think was was amazing, and it was something that.

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Peter vitale:, you know I noticed right away when I joined, I didn't know what I was stepping into, and there was a lot happening at once, and something us held that fast to was just.

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Peter vitale: respect for you know all the parties and even when.

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Peter vitale:, as charles said,, your willingness to engage in some of the difficult conversation. So at this time with, you may not have been you know, on top of mount schlitz,, but it was a close, for me,. So thank you.

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Pb, john gerstle:, oh, go ahead, no hard and I just want to say you've done a fantastic job of sharing this planning board,. I never seen anything like that, and I just am envious about ability,, but congratulations on doing such a wonderful job.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: part of it is just as I. pb harmon zuckerman: enjoy it. I enjoy the enjoy being with you guys, and it just makes it easy.

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Peter vitale:, please lisa. The person we haven't met yet in person has been.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: saying now: let's.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: say I'm sad that one that that you're rotating off, and I was on for such a brief period of time with you and to that we haven't actually gotten to.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: have meetings in person,, so we definitely have to have that dinner. Slash celebration,! Maybe we could do a you know, move from one location to another and check out some of these new restaurants and things that we've.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: dealt with over the last couple: years., pb, lisa c. smith:, so yeah. I really appreciate your attention to detail harmon and procedure that is such a gift to have someone leading in that way and kind of knowing.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: how the meeting should run. I think it's something that.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: being the people that we are,, we sometimes up buck a little bit at, but it actually enables us to get work done in a really appropriate way.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: and, in a way that serves the community and without going as late as we might otherwise go,. So we will miss you very much,, but I look forward to seeing what you do next, and to actually getting to see you in person sometime in the not too distant future.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well,. You know I spent four years on planning board with with drinks as a normal thing. After the board meetings and sitting in that room, together.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and eating lunch or eating dinner before the meeting together with staff and in each other,, and then I got my last year, where I decided I'd be chair, and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, I didn't get to have drinks with anybody and I didn't get to eat dinner with staff.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: planning, board members and never got to sit and chair a meeting at the day is like,, like all the chairs before me. So there's some disappointment for me in the way that it changed my experience of being on planning board, but it'll go back and it'll be special again so.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: in that way, we have done that you actually I'm as vice chair, I can attest,. You did not miss one meeting in the last year and I never had to chair a meeting. I just I forgot to mention that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so you got it.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, you got to do some pretty cool.

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pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know, running parts of meetings and. pb, harmon, zuckerman:, things., pb, harmon zuckerman:, and you did such a great job on our letter. Sarah.

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Pb sarah silver: so harmon I want to thank you personally,. We also had a bit of a rocky start and but you, you taught me a great deal and gave me some wonderful advice.

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Pb sarah silver: at the very beginning, which I have sort of pedantic lee, tried to follow in terms of always following always offering up the code that I want to reference.

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Pb sarah silver:, and just the only thing I'll add to everything, everyone has said,. Is that you let us this year.

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Pb sarah silver: impeccably during an extremely difficult time and.

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Pb sarah silver: you made whatever you made what you're doing seem quite easy, and I just want to thank you for that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well you're, very welcome.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: well,, I don't know what else to say,, but thank you all and and so let's finish up the meeting or any.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: other matters from the planning board. Yeah.

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cindy, spence: harmon- I just want to mention one thing,. Nobody has mentioned is your sense of style. I'm going to measure.

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Cindy spence: a rocket vast, so I'm going to miss that. Thank you. So.

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Cindy spence:, but thank you for keeping things together,. You make my job easier, so.

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Pb sarah silver:, thank you baby,. We should make that vest like somebody gets that gets passed down from chair to chair to chair.

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Peter vitale:, the official.

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Peter vitale: change your mind. No davis.

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Cindy spence: and you know what we always take a picture the last day of the someone's, so I'm going to take a picture.

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Cindy spence: with the dyess.

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cindy spence:, everyone smile.

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Pb, lisa c. smith:. You can also screenshot it cindy.

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Peter vitale: now then show you won't be phone it.

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Cindy spence:, oh that's true! Okay, you ready,! Here we go.

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Cindy spence: all right.

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cindy spence:, I always screenshot. How would I screenshot.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: I know, on a mac. What's the coming,, are you on a? What are you on what you.

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Peter vitale: can do it. Do it.

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Pb, lisa c. smith: part yeah, but it's something else: on.

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Cob jacob lindsey: already got already got one cindy awesome.

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Pb sarah silver: harmon. What are you going to do with your. pb sarah silver: next day.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, um I don't know actually I,. My last thursday was amazing. The law school put on a cla continuing legal education thing on rates in boulder.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: with a number of really powerful panelists, including former mayor benfield, tate's son,, and it was it- was really eye. Opening.

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Pb harmon, zuckerman: and sad.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: sad,, because it seems like most of the folks who all were people of color who were on the panel, said that experience more racism and bolder than anywhere they'd ever lived..

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Pb harmon zuckerman: and so that's hard to hear.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, but not to not to be on you know to summer note,. So what am I doing? Next thursday? I don't know,, maybe I'll just you know, hang out and watch you guys and.

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Peter vitale: joint session.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, you can be the whisper and tell us.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so you know I'm not allowed to appear in front of you for a year.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: oh,. I won't see you guys for a while.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:: let's go to other matters from the planning board,. Are there any any matters from the planning board.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, okay, hello,, we haven't mentioned hella and it wouldn't be a night without saying. Thank you kelly,. You did so much over the last five years, for me, and you even you know, did some great work tonight, and I just enjoyed talking with you and having you here,, but thank you so much.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: well,, I wanted to thank you, too, for the five years of service and I've. I've been there for the five years and I've really enjoyed working with you,. I think you know that.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, and I think I'll see you in the future in a different role and I'm also looking forward to that.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: anything else from the city attorney's office for for the board,. Yes, okay, all right well sounds like we've done a lot of debriefing. If there's any more debriefing that anybody wants to do, I love pizza.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:- I just want to say thank you to anybody from the public who stuck it out all the way. To.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: 1215- I am impressed.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his:, good well.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: david.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:. I mentioned that the am I muted now, I mentioned that.

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Pb, david ensign, --, he/him/his: municipal building, where we're going to be meeting, is being renamed after pen field, take the second, who was city council of a city council member in the seven days.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his:, there was a recall election against him at the time that actually succeeded in in recalling one of his colleagues,, who was a gay man after he.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: sponsored the or after yeah after he sponsored the non discrimination for lgbt.

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Pb, david ensign, -- he/him/his: people, one of the first jurisdictions in the country to do that, and there was a recall election which he survived, and now the municipal buildings being named after him,, which I think is amazing and that's going to happen in a couple. Months.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, but he he only survived the recall one of the things his son talked about at the at the thing last thursday was held by signing on to that non discrimination. Legislation in boulder take made himself on electable after that and didn't get reelected and he did run,, but he didn't win.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, so yeah calendar check any.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: issues cindy. You want to.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: be here on the 16th. cindy spence: to the 18th. Oh, come on.

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Cindy spence:, we haven't been so the planning board interviews, more tonight.

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Cindy spence:, so we will find out next week.

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Cindy spence: or the week after I can't remember what selection date is, but we'll find out what happened.

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Cindy spence:, so the 18th we will meet our new person.

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Cindy spence: and they will will do all the adoption stuff and all that and and then the 25th, so the 18th we have a regular meeting. The 25th is your first workshop for the bias and micro aggression.

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Cindy spence: workshop and.

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Cindy spence: and it does look like we're going to be having a joint session with tab regarding east boulder sub community on april 5 does look like that's going to happen.

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Cindy spence: okay, monday monday monday yeah, and it would just be two hours,. I think it's from six to eight, I'm nailing that down.

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Cindy spence:, it's going to start at six and rather than five,, but I think six.

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Pb harmon zuckerman: all right, anything else., pb, harmon zuckerman:, just thanks to send you well, then.

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pb harmon, zuckerman: yeah okay, thank you, everybody,, but that somebody wants a theater.

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Peter vitale: now to stop waving goodbye.

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pb, harmon, zuckerman:, okay,, very special group, and it's been a very special time and you have a very special staff working with you and.

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Pb harmon zuckerman:, good luck and by and we'll see each other again, soon.

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Cob, charles ferro: have a great. pb,, lupita d montoya: thank you, thank you.