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john
gerstle:,
so
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
public
participation,,
and
this
is
the
time
where
any
member
of
the
probably
may
address
the
planning
board
on
any
issue
other
than
what
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
tonight,
and
the
public
hearing.
We
are
dealing
with
tonight,
is,
uh,.
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
brenda
or.
B
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
facilitating
public
participation,
tonight.
um,.
We
just
have
one
community
member
with
us,
tonight.
um!,
who
would
like
to
speak?.
I
do
just
want
to
share
these.
briefly,.
I
think
this
community
member
has
been
a
visitor
before,,
so
probably
in
these
slides
in
the
past.
B
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
um,
cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
but
I
just
want
to
share
them
again
very
quickly
that
we
do
have
a
vision
that
we
worked
on
with
community
members
for
civic
and
productive
engagements.
um!,
and
we
are
here
to
support
the
physical,
emotional
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members,
as
well
as
supporting
democracy.
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experience
and
political
perspectives.
B
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
clicking
through
to
the
examples.
um,
I'll
just
hit
on
some
highlights:
here.
um,,
that
these
are
guidelines
found
in
the
boulder,
revised
code,
and
then
other
other
guidelines,.
B
B
B
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
um,
and
to
display
your
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online,,
and
we
still
only
have
audio
testimony
permitted
online
at
this
time.
B
C
D
Sue
prant:
hi
uh!.
My
name,
is
to
prant
on
the
executive
committee
cycles
on
june
fourteenth,
playing
board
members.
john
burstell,
mark
mcintyre
joined
me.,
cycles,,
two
tab
members
and
two
council
members
on
a
tour
of
access
to
post
seed
conventions
are
cited.,
broadway
and
ground..
You
community
cycles
has
been
sounding
alarms
over
the
access
plan.
this
project
for
quite
some
time
is
it
introduces
multiple
automobile
and
truck
movements
unsignalized
over
the
broadway
multi
path.
D
Sue
prant:.
I
wanted
to
bring
this
to
playing
board's
tension,
sue
prant:
and
because
you
has
submitted
tech
docs
as
part
of
the
moa
for
this
project..
It
will
not
come
before
planning
board.
community
cycles
and
transportation
and
pdf.
staff
are
meetings.
friday
to
discuss
the
tech,
doc
submitted,
and
the
traffic
study
committee
cycles
has
had
the
traffic
staying.
By.
two
engineers
have
found.
D
D
D
Sue
prant:
persuade
the
council
members
not
to
question
matter
of
safety.
for
legal
reasons..
We
are
asking
playing
board
for
a
few
things.
first,.
Please
send
a
message
to
the
attorney
and
council
that
they
should
prioritize
public
safety,
and
one
way
they
can
do
that
is,
by
getting
involved,
and
at
least
asking
some
questions
and
speaking
to
this
issue.
D
Sue
prant:
asking
council
to
bring
the
chief
chancellor
to
the
table
would
also
be
a
a
great
step
forward
in
this
process.
currently,.
C.
staff
are
saying,.
They
can
only
do
what
the
say
allows
them,,
and
this
rings
hollow,
because
the
city
would
like
to
see
safer,
measures.
D
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
thank
you,,
sue.
and
uh,
just
to
respond..
I
think
that
we
will
be
talking
about
this
under
matters
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.,
so
thank
you.
B
B
B
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F
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A
B
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
I'm
gonna
cob,
brenda
ritenour,
(she/her):
see..
I
do
still
see
lynn's
name.
so,
lynn,.
If
you're
there,.
B
E
E
E
E
Lynn,
segal:
um!.
If
I
go
down
there
live,
I
know.,
so
why
am
I
being
punished
for
coming
remotely.
that
should
be
a
saved
car,
carbon
footprint,
and
it
it
better
empowers
people
in
in
clement
weather
and
various
situations.
it's,.
You
know,.
E
E
E
E
Lynn,
segal:
um,,
it's
real
critical.
and
what
happened
there,
dick
thorpe.
was
the
council,
for
see
you,.
He
had
a
deal
with
flatter
in
his
gravel.
E
Lynn,
segal:
to
inflate
the
value
by
five
million
dollars
to
sixteen
point:
five
million,
when
the
appraisal
was
about
nine.
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E
E
H
B
B
F
A
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
zoom
or
the
format
is
not
kind
of
picking
on
the
public
to
keep
them.
Isolated.
we're
not
privy
to
that..
I
I'll.
I'll
go
ahead
as
a
staff
as
a
panelist
email..
If
you
clicked
on
the
participant
icon,.
B
B
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):.
We
we
also
don't
want
our
attendees
to
feel
like
they're,
entirely
invisible
to
board
and
staff
again.,
it's
a
list
of
names..
So
if
you
know,
folks,
you
know,
folks.,
if
you
don't,
you
don't,
but
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen,
or
in
your
where
it
says,
more,.
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B
B
A
A
pb
john
gerstle:
so.
pb
john
gerstle:
there!
uh,.
I
see
no
dispositions
or
call
ups
to
be
considered.
Tonight,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
uh,,
and
I
think
that'll
be
edward
stafford,,
who
may
be
leading
the
show
there,
and
uh,
will
describe
to
us
what
is
going
on
tonight,
and
what
we
are
being
asked
to
address.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
thank
you
very
much.
chair..
My
name
is
edward
stafford.
I'm.,
a
senior
manager
of
civil
engineering
and
planning
development.
Services..
Also
with
me
tonight
is
garrett
slater.
he's
our
principal
traffic,
coverage.
excuse,
me,,
principal
transportation,
projects,
engineer
and
transportation
and
mobility..
So
we
are
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
transportation
standards.
update
as
a
reminder..
This
is
phase
two
of
what
is
a
multi
phase
project
tonight,
we'll
have
a
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
recommendation
for
the
updates
to
both
the
vcs.
and
certain
provisions
in
the
boulder
revised
code.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
you
have
previously
seen
this
several
times.
actually,
as
it's
progressed..
The
most
recent
was
last
may
when
you
saw
the
sixty
percent
version
of
this..
So
tonight
we're
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
purpose
and
background,,
just
as
a
reminder
where
this
project
is,
and
where
it's
going.
the
timeline
and
the
community
engagement
that
we've
held,
and
what
is
what
we
have
done,
with,
that
we
will
quickly
review
final
proposed
changes..
I
can
not
certainly
move
either
slower
or
quicker
through
that..
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
so
what's
the
purpose
and
background?,
the
dcs.
is
actually
used
as
the
standards
for
construction
of
public
infrastructure
in
the
city,,
both
by
private
parties,
usually
development,
related,
and
the
city's
capital
projects.
that
public
infrastructure
includes
utilities.,
water,,
sewer,,
senator,
or
storm
sewer..
Uh,
also
includes
all
of
the
transportation.,
so
by
bike,
ped
facilities
and
street
facilities..
Those
items
are
all
managed
to
the
design
of
it
through
the
standards
adopted
in
the
design
and
construction
standards.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
uh,,
we
do
also
recommendations
in
the
border,
revised
code,,
which
are
some
regulatory
items
that
relate
to
some
of
this
work
in
here
on
both
site,
distance
site
triangles
and
some
landscaping
items
with
bringing
forward
to
you
tonight.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
the
phase
two
had
a
very
specific
focus
on
a
couple
of
specific
areas
as
a
part
of
the
dcs.,
the
street
geometric
design,,
which
was
a
part
of
so
our
chapter,
two
section,
seven
uh.
that
did
generate
some
other
changes
in
other
sections,
truly
related
to
what
was
being
done.
street
geometric
design,,
which
we'll
discuss
in
a
moment
the
landscaping
chapters,
those
three
and
ten,,
and
then
the
boulder
revised
code.
Six
s.
six,,
which
is
a
related
to.
I
I
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
reminder.-
this
is
the
second
phase.,
so
we
had
a
first
phase
back
in
two
thousand
and
twenty
that
made
some
clean
up
and
standardization
throughout
parts
of
the
transportation
section..
This
phase
two
had
the
focus
that
we've
talked
about
here
and
there
are
future
phases
expected
to
kick
off
starting
later
next
year.,
looking
at
additional
changes,
we're
doing
this
in
a
phased
approach
in
order
to
recognize
limitations
of
resources,
and
how
much
we
can
complete.
at
one
time,,
while
trying
to
also
ensure
that
we
are
making
some
more.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
so
what
were
the
project?
goals?
um,?
You
saw
these
actually
early
on
in
this
phase?
um,,
almost
two
years,
ago.
and
again
uh,
back
in
may,.
When
you
saw
the
sixty,,
there
were
four
primary
goals:
identified..
The
first
was
looking
to
continue
the
update
and
monetization
to
ensure
we
had
standards
that
were
uniformly
applied
to
both
private
and
public
projects..
I
Edward
stafford
cob:.
The
second
was
the
update
of
street
geometric
design,,
with
a
goal
of
decreasing
the
potential
and
or
severity
of
conflicts..
A
lot
of
that
has
to
do,,
even
with
the
looking
at
speed.
looking
at
crossing
distances.,
some
of
those
pieces
that
are
really
part
of
the
geometric
design
that
you're
going
to
see.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
community
engagement
has
been
a
very
important
part
of
this
project
as
we've
worked
through
it.
That
is
included
consultation
with
committee
at
large
to
online
questioner
that
was
made
available
in
a
set
of
office
hours.
we
had
a
available
with
project
staff..
We
did
hear
from
a
few
community
members.
there's
not
necessarily
lots
of
interest
from
general
community,
which
is
not
surprising.,
given
the
very
technical
nature
of
these
standards.
In
this
work
we
also
completed
direct
outreach
to
groups
regularly.
either
use
the
dcs.
or
have
indicated
a
high
ancestor
in
the
topics,.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
including
parts
of
the
development
community.,
the
community
cycles,
group,,
which
has
been
very
much
a
a
part
of
the
update,
multiple
phases,
and
it's
been
very
actively
engaged.
the
center
for
people
with
disabilities,
c.
dot,
rtd.
and
the
boulder
community
improvement
association,,
as
it
relates,
especially
to
some
of
the
landscape
items
that
they
have
interest.
In.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
so
we're
key
areas
that
we
heard
from
that
engagement.
keep
in
mind.
A
lot
of
the
engagement
did
happen
between
the
sixty
percent
version,,
which
is
what
you
saw
last
may,,
and
what
is
now
in
front
of
you
as
being
recommended
for
an
option.
um,,
those
key
inputs,,
some
of
them.
We
were
able
to
include
in
the
update
that
included,
narrow
or
lane
list
to
slow
vehicle
traffic.
in
fact,.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
strong
language
about
that
supporting
additional
raised
crossing
details,,
something
that
we've
been
building
more
up,
but
didn't
have
specific
details.
support
for
minimizing
corner
radii
is
a
method
to
reduce
turning
vehicle
speeds,,
as
well
as
the
desire
to
make
sure
we
still
accommodate
the
larger
vehicle,,
such
as
transit
as
appropriate.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
there
were
some
input
that
we
were
not
able
to
address
in
this
update,,
but
we'll
be
in
future.
uh,.
We
had
some
input
concerning
excessive
signage
and
markings,
and
what
that
leads.
To.
um..
That
was
not
part
of
the
area
that
we
were
looking
at
in
this
particular
phase.
um,,
and
some
concern
on
whether
or
not
traffic
circles
or
roundabouts.
even
more
likely
we're
meeting
the
best
needs
of
pedestrians
and
people
with
disabilities
to
be
able
to
cross
and
navigate
in
things
that
we
can,.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
uh:,
the
last
piece
of
the
input
that
has
recently
occurred,
came
from
the
transportation
advisory
board,
similar
to
what
you're
doing
tonight.
they
held
a
public
hearing
on
september
twelfth
regarding
the
changes
tab
members
did
express
appreciation
for
the
work.
That's
been
done.
also
express
support
for
future
phases
of
the
project
to
address
the
additional
topics..
One
of
those
that
was
very
much
highlighted
by
them
was
additional
work
in
the
area
of
sidewalk
requirements..
We
expect
that
to
be
in
a
future
phase,
and
then
ultimately,.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
between
that
point
and
what
you're
seeing.
now.
we
have
continued
to
work
on
civic
language
in
the
pcs.
and
what
you're
seeing
even
tonight
is
still
draft
in
terms
of
some
of
the
final
grammar
and
final
wording..
As
we
continue
to
work
with
the
city
attorney's
office
to
ensure.,
we
have
something
readily
enforceable.
what
you
are
seeing,
and
will
not
change
in..
This
is
the
true.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
content.,
so
the
requirements
that
are
in
there.,
but
we
will
be
continuing
to
work,
to
revise,
to
clean
it
up,
to
ensure..
We
have
the
right
format
and
the
cleanness
document..
By
the
time
I
presented
to
council
wanted
to
point
that
out
in
case
you
are
concerns
with,
or,,
as
you
may
have
done,
your
review,
and
certainly
saw
that
we're
still
some
areas
that
need
to
some
grammatical
work,
and
we
continue
to
work
on
that.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
um!,
and
how
that
really
aligns
to
transportation
system
overall,,
including
looking
at
the
transportation
master
plan
and
our
vision,
zero
goals
and
the
city
sustainability.
Framework,,
sharing
that,
just
as
an
understanding
of
part
of
the
larger
lens
that
we
look
at
for
each
of
these
updates.
As
we
continue
moving
forward,.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
along
with
some
additional
modifications
that
that
created,
and
the
bicycle,
facilities,
and
multi-use
path,
designs,
and
two
point
one.
One
would
point
out
that
we
didn't
necessarily
open
that
entire
section
for
more
revision,
and
some
of
that
section
was
actually
first
created
in
the
last
update
in
two
thousand
and
twenty..
But
there
were
some
changes,
then
that
needed
to
be
further
recognized.
similar,
as
we
went
through
geometric
design,,
realized
that
some
additional.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
design,,
standards,
and
guidance
was
needed
in
traffic
coming.
well,.
We
debated
whether
you
would
incorporate
that
into
existing
section..
Ultimately,
we've
decided
to
add
a
new
section,
two
point,
one
four,,
with
a
couple
of
the
areas
that
are
more
related
to
geometric.
That
may
expand
in
the
future
in
additional
phases
that
could
add
additional
traffic
coming
sections
into
their
additional
information
on
other
mechanisms,.
We
may
use.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
I'm
gonna
quickly,
just
step
through
some
of
what
has
happened
in
there.
you've
already
seen
some
of
this
from
me,,
so
I'm
going
to
work
through
this
fairly
quick..
If
I
don't
hit
on
something,
you
want
to
talk,
about,
feel
free
to
either
ask
at
the
end
or
interrupt
me.
two
point:
zero,
seven.,
the
street
geometric
design
heavily
focused
on
looking
at
our
land,
with
on
separated
bike,
planes,
and
providing
additional
design
standards,
or,
in
some
cases,
the
new
design
standards
for
the
word..
I
Those
the
I
looked
at
very
closely
corner
radii,
and,
in
fact,
changed
the
philosophical
approach
to
part
of
it,.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
um.,
I
would
point
out
that
resulted
in
a
new
table,,
replacing
one
that
was
in
there
in
two
point
five,,
with
significantly
more
detail
on
the
variety
of
different
types
of
facilities,
especially
related
to
the
bike.,
the
buffered
separated
two
way
by
claims,,
and
we
reductions
overall
in
some
areas
of
line
with
one
of
the
changes
it
did
occur
on
here
between
the
sixty
and
what
you're
seeing
now
was
that
in
that
general
purpose,
travel
lane
with
the
fixed
route
transit.
It
was
originally
a
twelve
foot,.
I
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
similar
provided
additional
information,
on,
separated
by
claims
on
how
uh,,
including
details
about
the
assumed
operating
to
be
a
bicycles
and
the
design
features,.
It
should
be
included.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
um.,
so
you
see
there's
a
brand
new
table
that
looks,
or
rather
complex.-
that's
looking
at.
What's
the
radius?
actual
radius
effective,
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
these
numbers
now
that
should
help,
certainly
in
what
you
have
seen
in
projects
throughout
the
years.
here
we're
working
to
ensure,.
We
have
the
smallest
radius
that
is
still
functional
for
the
needs
of
the
intersection,
and
ensures.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
road
with
tapers
again
mentioned
this
one
bike.
Lane
tapers
were
added,
and
we
have
seen
some
problems
previously,
with
some
very
abrupt
tapers,
or
a
change
in
direction.
That
is
definitely.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
at
least
discomfort
with
bicycles,,
so
adding
additional
design
standards
to
that,
and
then
left
turn
lanes,,
which
in,
as
I
said,,
was
significantly
about
clarifying
the
preference
to
single
left.
turn
lanes,
and
what
the
standards
and
what
you
need
to
go
through.
If
it's
going
to
be
anything
greater
than
that.,
and
that
is
an
area
where
we
actually
did
make
some
additional
modification
from
the
sixty
to
the
ninety
percent
and
further
restricted
and
required
specific
approval
prior
to
anybody
designing
anything
greater
than
a
single
term..
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
uh,
and
the
section
two
point:
one
one.,
the
bicycle
facilities
in
multi-use
path,
designs
added,
additional
standards.
is
it
related
to
separated
by
claims
and
their
crossings
at
both
driveways
and
at
intersections
new
figures,,
a
new
direction.
We're
provided
in
there.
recognizing
that
as
a
a
facility
type
that
was
not
certainly
not
contemplated
in
two
thousand,,
when
many
of
these
centers
were
first
or
last,
had
a
significant
rewrite,.
So
it
was
important
to
add
those
pieces,.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
their
direct
different
drawings.,
and
then
we
did
talk,.
We
about
the
traffic
coming
and
added
to
two
new
managers
in
their
neighborhood
traffic
circles.
That
point
out
is
different
than
around
about
intersection..
This
is
about
the
small
traffic
circles,
as
it
relates
to
coming
or
lowering
speeds
and
neighborhoods,
and
raised
crossings
which
we
could
identify
as
a
need
for
better
design
standards
to
guide
the
designers
of
those
as
we're
seeing
more
of
them
in
use.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
moving
along
beyond
the
street,
geometric,
was
the
landscape,
landscape
and
streetscape
provisions..
This
was
work
to
incorporate..
Some
analysis
has
been
done
actually
for
multiple
years
by
multitude
of
groups,,
including
participants
from
our
transportation,
mobility,
department
parks
and
recreation
and
forestry
number
of
things
that
we
needed
to
update,
make
sure
we
were
aligned
with
our
green
infrastructure
plan
for
transportation
landscapes..
It
also
includes
ensuring
those
landscapes
or
something
we
can
physically
maintain.
in
looking
at.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
changes
that
it
really
happened
since
this
section
was
last
written,
and
had
major
updates
uh:.
This
does
apply
to
both
projects
again
constructed
by
private
developers
and
the
public
right
away,
and
public
projects
that
may
be
completed
through
our
capital
improvement.
Program.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
you'll
see.
revisions
were
made
throughout.
um!.
All
of
this
not
going
to
go
through
each
of
these..
Do
you
know
there
was
some
question
about
why
we
made
some
change..
You
will
see
that
we
have
actually
are
proposing
to
delete
some
list
of
accepted
tree
implant
species.,
it's
not
because
we're
going
to
want
to
free
for
all
happen..
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
published
adopted
list
which
is
already
available
on
the
website
in
the
parks
and
the
recreation
and
forestry
area
that
will
allow
our
forestry
staff,
especially
to
continue
to
monitor,
what's
appropriate
for
our
climate,
for
our
landscape,
appropriate
types
of
plantings,,
and
we
will
update
that
without
going
through
this
significant
process
of
re
adopting
a
piece
of
the
dcs..
So
I
know
that
was
a
question
out.
There,
sarah..
So
though
I
didn't
see
that
reference
in
the.
J
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
let's
see,,
there
were
some
additional
revisions
made.
is
it
related
to
three
plantings
to
ensure
they
opportunity
for
good,
long-term
health
of
trees,
especially,
and
uh,
because
constrained
streetscapes?
It's
an
area
where
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
over
the
years,
and
a
lot
of
experimentation,,
even
through
some
capital
projects,,
and
helping
to
bring
those
now
standards
into
play
for
projects.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
um!
and
then,
through
that
richness.
We
also
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
make
some
changes
in
the
boulder
revised
code,
to
clarify
the
requirements
for
the
protection
of
trees
and
plants
on
any
city,
property
or
right
of
way
added
additional
about
protection
from
damage..
The
original
code
was
more
geared
towards,
removal
or
destruction.,
but
there
was
a.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
proper
financial
remedies
for
those
should
somebody
do
something
that
they
shouldn't
have
to
these
important
public
infrastructure,
components
of
trees
and
plants..
So
that's
what
you'll
see
in
there.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
um!
and
then
also
site
triangles
as
a
that
fourth
goal.,
recognizing
that
we
had
two
areas
that
we
wanted
to
work
on
here,
to
ensure
that
our
site
triangles
were
meeting
some
of
our
greater
multi
model
need,
and
we're
more
easily
enforceable..
The
first
one
is
a
modifications
of
the
language
on
the
fifteen
by
fifteen
site.
Triangle.
she's
been
in
the
code
for
many,
many.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
decades,,
I
would
just
presume.
um,,
but
it
was
a
challenge
on
enforcement,,
because
the
measurement,,
as
it
was
written,
was
related
to
the
property
line
right
of
way.
Line.,
just
not
something.
That's
always
readily
evident
and
visible,
of
course,
not
visible
at
all.
when
you're
in
the
field,.
And
if
you
were
to
getting
into
strong
enforcement,
you
more
or
less
needed
a
survey
to
be
able
to
determine
that.
and
at
times
that
line
may
not
have
been
in
the
most
appropriate
place
for
the
application
of
site
triangles..
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
is
actually
placed
where
we
want
it
to
be
in
comparison
to
streets
with
the
sidewalks,
or
if
there
aren't
sidewalks
that
we're
uh,,
we
have
it
in
a
way
that
you're
measuring
it
from
something
you
can
physically
see
in
the
field
and
apply
it
the
way
that
ensures
the
right
level
of
um.
I'll
call
up
protection
or
visibility
for
those
sites.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
then
the
other
change
was
that
we
in
the
current
site
triangles
and
the
fully
revised
code
did
not
recognize
multi-use
pass
as
they
intersected
with
alleys
and
driveways,
with
the
an
appropriate
site
triangle
recognizing
the
multi-use,
pass..
So
you
will
see
a
new
one
in
there.
That,.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
partially
in
recognition
of
the
difference
in
speed
that
you
will
see
from
bicycle
users
on
those
multi-use
pads
we
do
expect
there
will
be
future
phases
to
look
at
other
site.
triangle
updates
that
we
need
to
make
it's
that
there's
always
a
challenge
in
working
through
those.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
build
conditions
of
existing.,
and
what
do
you
do
if
you
create
something?
That's
no
longer
in
compliance.,
recognizing
we're
not
likely
to
tell
people
to
go
top
the
corner
off.
in
existing
buildings,,
especially
historic
buildings
that
have
been
here
for
a
long
time,,
but
really
in
general,,
so
expect
there
may
be
more,
input
and
that
in
the
future,
for
additional
scenarios
that
felt
this
was
a
really
important
one
to
bring
forward.
now,.
I
Edward
stafford
cob::
that's
a
very
quick
review
of
all
of
the
items
that
you
have
in
front
of
you,
the
next
steps.
of
course,,
we're
now
here
on
the
october,
eleventh,
planning,
board,
meeting,
and
then
currently,.
It's
scheduled
to
go
in
front
of
council
in
november
and
december,
for
their
public
hearing,,
and
we
recommend
approval
and
adoption
hopefully.
and
then
implementation
would
start
in
two
thousand
and
twenty-three
keep
in
mind.
implementation
is
not
looking
back..
These
are
the
standards
for
things
that
signed
from
that
point
into
the
future.
um!.
I
I
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
um,
okay.,
so
uh,
I'll
open
it
up
to
the
board
for
questions.
at
this
point,.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um.,
and
so
I
just
have
some
clarifying
questions.
um,.
Is
there
a
difference
between
uh,,
the
city,
tre
lawn
and
a
planting
strip
there
weren't
definitions,
and
both
were
mentioned,,
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
if
they
are
different
or
the
same,.
I
I
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
well,,
it
makes
sense
if
I
ask
questions
that
are
I'm
applying
to
both
planting
and
and
you,
you'll
understand
what
I'm
asking.
okay,
um..
If
you
don't
mind,,
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
that.
um.
I
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
planting
strip
with
at
this
point?.
I
J
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
Thank
you
for
first,
a
big
thank
you
to
edward
and
the
staff
who
have
worked
on
this..
I
do
remember
when
it
came
around
previously,
and
you
know.,
I'm
not
an
engineer
or
an
expert
in
this,,
but
it's
clear
that
a
lot
of
hard
work
went
into
this.
a
lot
of
great
engineering
to
try
to
meet
the
needs
that
are
expressed,
and
do
that
in
a
mathematical
and
enforceable
and
standardized
way.,
so
just
big
kudos
to
the
staff
who
worked
on
this..
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
this
on.
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
so
that
new
site
triangle,
the
fifteen
by
ninety-six,
where
I
think
it's
ninety-six,
where
the
multi-use
path
intersects
with
a
a
driveway
or
an
alley..
I
was
super
excited
to
see
that,.
G
I
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
okay,
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
think
that.
okay..
So
then
I
guess
so
applied
to
the
design
that
we
saw
from
raising
kane.
as
you
know,,
my
big
concern.
There
was
with
public
safety,
and
how
that
the
exiting
traffic,
entering
and
exiting
traffic,
intersecting
that
multi-use
path
and
the
desire
to
have
visibility.
there,
but
then
also
have
a
screening
wall..
So
this
new
nine
you
know
fifteen,
by
ninety-six
site
triangle.,
would
that
have
changed
the
design
for
raising
canes
at
all?
um,.
As
I
recall,
I
don't
think
it
would
have.
I
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
nice,,
concise,
presentation.,
so
a
lot
of
information
here,
tonight.
um,.
I
have
three
kind
of
areas
of.
F
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
so
that
was
not
part
of
the
scope
for
this
work?
um,
you
know..
That
could
certainly
be
something
in
a
future
work.
Program.
um,,
that's
yeah,!
You
know,!
A
lot
of
this
work
was
really
related
to
the
public
infrastructure.
Side.
um,.
Do
you
know
that
there's
been
interest,
certainly,
over
the
years
in
the
community
that.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
protection
of
private
trees?
of
course,,
something
in
a
site.
Review.
has
some
criteria
to
be
balanced,
related
to
that.,
but
no,.
This
does
not
change
the
protections
that
are
in
place
or
lack
of
protections,.
I
should
say
today,
uh,,
with
these
changes,.
F
I
Pb
ml
robles:.
That
could
certainly
be
an
area
to
add
if
it
added,,
if
we
were
to
do
that.,
yes,
and
I'm
speaking
to
the
purpose,
the
best
practices
around
sustainability.
G
Pb
ml
robles:,
we
all
are
increasingly
aware
that
um,,
especially
big,
healthy,,
robust
trees,,
have
an
important
role
to
play
in
the
city.
and
I'm!.
F
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
I
have
two
other
questions.
on
page
one
hundred
and
eight..
You
talked
about
seating
and
starting,,
so
my
question
would
be,.
F
I
I
I
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
it's
here,
pb
ml
robles:
in
the
you
know,
in
the
areas
that
are
being
redlined,.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
around
the
concerns
for
sustainability.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
code,,
where
it
shows
up.
and-
and
here
it
is
on
this
page
that
we're
revising..
So
that's.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
seating
and
sorting,,
and
you
know,
just
general
question,
page
one
eleven..
Another
similar
question:
I
have,,
which
is
around
irrigation.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
uh,,
pb
ml
robles:,
you
know,,
using
water,
with,,
okay,,
pb
ml
robles:,
the
present
actually
drought.
and,
and
you
know,
we're
already
talking
about.
There's
gonna
be
water,
restrictions.
why,.
Why
wouldn't
we
start
to
put
into
our
our
current,
thinking.
you
know,?
This
would
go
into
effect
in
two
thousand
and
twenty-three.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:,
shifting
our
irrigation
from
potable
water
to
nonconnected
water.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
this
that
would
be,,
as
is
very
much
a
significant
undertaking
in
court
cooperation
with
the
utilities
department,
because
the
city
doesn't
currently
have
a
non-paudible
water
system..
There
are
also
significant
concerns,
as
it
relates
to
our
water
rights
and
what
is
allowed
under
the
water
that
we
have..
So
the
vast
majority
of
our
water
portfolio
only
allows
a
single
use,,
and
so
we
would
actually.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
have
great
liability
and
and
risk
to
create
a
non-podable
system
without
separating
out
or
identifying
what
rights
we
could
do
with
that.,
so
again,
um,,
not
necessarily
something
that
would
be
handled
as
much
in
the
dcs..
It
is
about
a
much
larger
program
undertaking
to
go
to
a
nonprofit
water
system.
F
F
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:
begin
a
process
of
a
broader.
I
mean
sustainability
is
part
of
the
purpose
of
this
particular
project,.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
the
importance
pb
ml
robles:
of
some
of
these
some
of
these
issues,
and
to
you
know,
to
get
to
get
a
lead
into
them
as
soon
as
we
possibly
can..
So
that's
my
general.
um..
I
have
a
tiny
other
little
question.
when
you
were
talking
about
speed,.
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
hmm.,
edward
stafford
cob:
are
those
not
going
to
exist.
Anymore?
we're
going
to
do
this
roundabouts,
or
what's
happening
here,
wouldn't
say
they
won't
exist,.
They
weren't
because
they
weren't
really
part
of
the
geometric
design
they
weren't
part
of
what
was
in
here..
I
suspect
that
could
be
a
future
phase.
and
gary,
did
you
want
to
add
anything
further
to
that?.
L
L
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
that's
the
end
of
my
questions,
and
I
really
appreciate
um.
the
vast
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
into
these
into
these
updating
these
standards..
Thank
you
so
much,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
then
we'll
go
around
again,
and
then
I'll
ask
some
more
when,
when
everyone's
had
had
their
had
their
time.,
so.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
I'm
gonna
ask
the
first
one..
I
sent
an
email
before
the
meeting
to
um,,
edward
and
natalie
and
and
natalie.
I'm
sure
it
shared
that
with
garrett,
uh,
and
my
and
so
in
that
email.
I
both
provided
some.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
prior
documentation
about
site
lines,,
as
they
relate
to
fifteen
and
iris
in
the
pedestrian
bike
crossing
that
is
slated
to
be
rebuilt
and
improved
there
sometime
this
year,
early
next
year,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
something
before
I
carry
on,,
and
that
is
while
I
have,
extensive
experience
with
this
particular
intersection,
and
people
who
staff
and
the
transportation
and
planning
department
might
think
it
is
my
sole
focus.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I'm
trying
to
direct
to
how
the
dcs
and
site,
lines
and
requirements
are
applied
to
our
vision,,
zero
goals
or
transportation,
master,
plan,,
uh,
and
so
forth,.
So.
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
has
pedestrians
and
bikes
crossing.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
southbound
traffic
lane
on
fifteenth.
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
and
so
I
provided
a
a
a
kind
of
a
crude
sketch
modifying
figure,
nine
eight..
So
that's
that's
my
question
for
ted
and
garrett
right
now.
I
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
yes,
yeah..
I
I
appreciate
having
the
heads
up,
but
give
me
some
time
to
put
together
a
a
quick
ad
hoc
exhibit
mark
to
share
with
you.
but
first,
uh,,
just
for
some
general
sort
of
baseline
understanding.
It
might
be
helpful
to
take
a
look
at
the
figures
that
you're
referencing.,
so
I
am
going
to.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
share
cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
the
example.
that
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
hopefully,
I've
got
privileges.,
it
looks
like
I
do.
L
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
so
I
think
there's
an
important
distinction
between
this
exhibit
and
what
is
taking
place
on
fifteenth
and
iris.,
but
first,
just
to
talk
through
this..
So
as
edward
noted,.
What's
changing
here
is
that
when
we
have
a
driveway
or
an
ally
approaching
a
multi-use
path.,
we
want
to
be
able
to
increase
the
site.
visibility,,
because
users,
if
the
multi-use
path,
are
typically
going
to
be
traveling
at
a
higher
rate
of
speed
than
users
of
a
sidewalk,.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
the
american
association
of
state,
highway
transportation,
officials,
bikeway
design
guide,
as
well
as
the
national
association
of
city
transportation,
officials,
guidelines
for
intersection,
site,
distances
between
minor
approach,
streets
and
multi-use
paths.
That's
the
basis
of
this
ninety-six
foot
site
triangle,
recommendation.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
so
I'm
going
to
now
change
over
to
the
the
ad
hoc
exhibits
that
I
prepared
for
fifteenth
and
iris.
L
L
L
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
and
what
we're
also
going
to
do
is
for
cyclists
to
have
come
off
what
we
call
the
thirteenth,
green,
thirteenth,
street,,
green
street.
uh..
That
facility
generally
terminates
right,
here,,
fifteenth
and
iris..
We
will
have
a
a
bike,
only
left
turn
lane,,
which
directs
cycling
traffic
over
to
a
multiuse
path.
On
the
west
side,
here,.
L
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
so
that,
on
the
on
the
base
level,
it
satisfies
the
the
new
dcs.
or,
excuse,
me.,
the
new
boulder
revised
code,
site,
triangle
requirement.,
but
furthermore,.
I
I
knew
that
mark
would
be
curious
to
know.
okay,
well,,
that's
for
a
sidewalk.!
What,
if
you
do,
have
a
cyclist
writing
along
the
sidewalk.?
So
that's
what
this
next
slide
depicts
is
in
this
instance..
What
we
want
to
know
is
is
the
the
vehicle.
who
is
sitting
here
at
the
approach.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
even
then,
it.
It
appears
that
we're
meeting
the
requirements
change,
this
being
recommended
in
the
uh,,
the
boulder
revised
code.
um..
So
it
appears
in
both
instances
here
that
the
site
triangle
requirements
are
being
met
with
the
fifteenth
and
iris
design.
Change.
H
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
for
site
triangles,
and.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
tables
in
the
dcs
are
not
being.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
yeah.,
so
I
I
I
appreciate
the
question
mark
that
helps
to
to
better
explain.
your
your
line
of
inquiry
here.
so.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
I
I
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
this
table
and
this
figure
is
not
intended
for
the
bike
approach,,
but
rather
it's
for
a
vehicle.
Where
um.
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
adequate
distance
for
a
a
vehicle.
That's
going
to
be
departing
an
intersection
a
as
well
as
a
vehicle,
that's
on
coming.,
and
so
the
presence
in
this
table
of
the
bike
lane
and
on
street
parking.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
and
so
this
one
hundred
and
fifty
foot.
dimension.
um!.
It
is
more
it
it
it's
not
for
the
purpose
of
the
bike.,
it's
more
so
for
the
vehicle
to
make
sure
it
has
adequate
time
to
be
able
to
maneuver
off
the
minor
street
and
on
to
the
major
street
to
make
sure
that
it's
got
adequate
visibility
to
be
able
to
make
that
see,.
A
left
turn
on
to
the,
to
the
to
the
major
street.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
would
wouldn't
the
person
on
a
bicycle
have
exactly
the
same.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
yeah,
yes,,
so
they
they
do
have
the
same
need
for
visibility.
however,.
The
cyclists
will
not
be
stopped.
Thirteen
feet
back,,
though
the
cyclists
and
I'm
going
to
switch
back
over
to
um.
this
exhibit
here.
So
the
the
cyclists
will
will
be
sitting
right
here
on
on
the
south
west
corner.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
um!,
and
I
I
I
we
could.-
I
make
a
determination.
I,
you
know.
uh,.
I
guess
this
is
I'm
actually
inside
the
auto
cap
model
right
here..
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
move
this
triangle.
L
Cob,,
gerrit,
slatter:,
and
and
and
see
what
that
does
for
us.,
but
um!.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
if
the
cyclist
is
sitting
right
here
at
the
at
the
corner,
what
we
can
see
is
there's
we're
meeting
again
the
ninety-six
book
requirement.
um!.
But
if
you
were
to
drag
this
triangle
out
further
um!.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
and
then
see
what
that
does
to
your
dimension.
Line.
L
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
and
it's
a
ported
to
also
note
um.,
unlike
the
vehicle,
who's,
going
to
be
making
the
maneuver
off
the
side
street,,
the
cyclists
is
going
to
have
the
option
uh,
in
fact,
the
requirement
to
push
the
the
the
button
which
will
activate
our
rectangular,
rapid,
flashing
beacon
at
this
location
to
provide
additional
cautions
to
approaching
motorists.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
alright,
out
of
respect
for
my
fellow
board,
members.,
I'm
going
to
stop
here.
I'll,
make
comments
later,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
another
question,
garrett..
I
appreciate
you.
your
being
prepared
to
discuss
this
tonight,
and
uh,.
We
can.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
one
more
one
more
question,,
and
then
we
can.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
um,
my!.
My
my
other
question
is
in
regard
to
traffic
circles,,
which
um,
I've
had
multiple
discussions
with
other
people
in
the
transportation
department
about
the
current
traffic
circles
on
time
and
mapleton.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
the
revisions
here
under
traffic
calling
figure
two
dash
xx
on.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
it
says
it
it,
it
pb
mark
mcintyre:
it
it
there's
a
table
with
offsets,
et
cetera,
and
and
my
um,
and
and
it
also
mentions
the
truck
apron,
center
island,
and
truck.
april..
My
question
is,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
current
traffic
circles,
which
I
consider
to
be
poorly
designed
and
lacking
in
deflection,.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
they
go
through,
and
the
people
on
the
minority
street,
the
minority
in
terms
of
traffic.
uh,.
They
end
up,,
stop,,.
H
L
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
slightly
elevated
truck
apring,,
which
I
understand
is
for
emergency
vehicles
and
larger
vehicles,.
But
that.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
this
this
new
table
creates
enough
deflection
that
speeds
are
actually
slow,
and
traffic
is
actually
called
um,,
because
that's
the
intent.
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
I
would
love
to
hear
it.
cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
yeah,,
so
I've
got
a
couple
of
thoughts
in
edward
may,
as
well,
so
I'll
I'll
say
that
the
majority
of
the
traffic
circles.
and
the
the
whittier
neighborhood.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
we're
implemented
long
before
modern
roundabouts,
standards.
sort
of
took
route
and
started
growing
and
popularity
around
the
country.
so
uh,.
I
can
confidently
say
that
the
thinking
has
significantly
evolved
about
how
to
effectively
implement
traffic
circles,
and
uh,.
What
are
sometimes
referred
to
as
many
roundabouts
to
make
sure
that
you're
getting
the
proper
deflection.
um!
and-
and
so
I
I.
L
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
uh,,
perhaps
uh,,
if
not
one,,
maybe
even
two
tab-
bicycle
tourists
with
you,
mark
where
we
talked
about
the
uh,.
The
the
way
these
are
supposed
to
operate
is
the
folks
yield
to
the
traffic.
That's
in
the
circle.
but,
uh,.
The
operation
often
is
such
that
people
are
yielding
to
traffic..
That's
not
even
in
the
uh,
the
circulating
roundabout
itself.
so,
um!.
The
the
intent
of
this
update
is
to
have
driver
behavior
function
as
you're
noting.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
the
different
pieces
trying
to
come
up
with
something
that's
realistic
or
reasonable
to
be
able
to
put
into
these..
So
you
know
the
the
deflection,.
If
we
were,
do
not
designing
this
as
a
modern
roundabout
would
be
much
more
significant,
and
would
require
significantly
more
land.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay?
well,
thanks..
I
I
see
there's
others
who
have
questions..
I
I
have
a
couple
I'd
like
to
ask,,
and
one
of
them
is
actually
following
up
on
a
a
topic
that
sarah
initiated,,
and
that
is
how
the
city
deals
with.
A
A
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
so
the
short
answer:
is,
these
standards
are
really
not
applicable
to
that..
This
is
about
design
standards..
What
can
happen
in
the
right
of
way,
and
encroachments
are
regulated
through
title.,
eight
of
the
boulder
revised
code,,
which
does
allow
certain
landscape
and
other
improvements
to
be
done
by
private
parties,,
but
also
prohibits
other
types
of
improvements.
um..
So
that's
how
those
are
managed
in
terms
of
a
code
perspective
or
a
regulatory
perspective.,
it's
laid
out
in
title
eight,.
A
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
enforcement
of
right
away
encroachments,
it's
usually
complaint
based
in
situations
like
that..
We
also
have
to
look
to
determine
is
what
they've
done
really
part
of
landscaping.
and
was
it
truly
designated
as
parking?,
or
was
it
something
that's
being
recurring
generically
and
and
therefore
isn't
necessarily
appropriate
to
have
parking,
or
to
use
that,
or
needs
to
regulate
that?
So
definitely,
a
separate
issue
from
the
dcs.
to
front
of
you,
tonight.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
so
so
would
this
not
even
be
considered
as
for,
for,
say,
new
houses
that
are
developing
a
new
driveway
and
a
new
connection
to
the
street,
and
so
on.
A
A
Edward
stafford
cob:,
a
part
of
the
consideration.,
the
location
of
a
new
driveway
would
certainly
have
to
comply
with
design
and
construction
standard
requirements,
for
where
those
can
be
located,
and
then,
of
course,.
The
ability
for
new
driveway
is
also
regulated
through
title
nine
on
access.
um,,
so
they
would
have
to
from
those
perspectives,
would
not
necessarily
modify
landscape
requirements,
or
what
landscape
has
been
done
by
a
homeowner.
That's
allowed
under
title
eight
along
the
rest
of
the
frontage.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um,
thank
you.
um..
I'm
gonna
quickly
follow
up
on
something,,
mark
said,
and
then
ask
the
question.
I
had.
I'm
I'm
gonna
assume
that
the
roundabouts
are
not
going
to
be
like
the
roundabouts
and
golden
that
are
flat
to
the
ground,
and
therefore
very
hard
to
see..
J
I
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:
yeah,,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
ones
in
golden
that
you're
referencing,,
but
it's
desirable
to
have
vertical
feature
in
a
central
island.
to
create
the
visibility
of
the
deflection
and
the
the
slowing
of
traffic
speeds..
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay,,
so
my
actual
question
is
about
the
tree
placement
and
paved
areas..
It's
a
chapter,
three
dot,
o
three,
c
three,,
and
I
kind
of
I
looked
at
this
language
through
the
lens
of
the
boulder
urban
for
a
strategic
plan.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um,,
specifically
the
the
the
fact
that
the
goal
of
the
plan
is
no
net
loss
of
overall
tree
canopy
by
two
thousand
and
thirty-seven.,
and
that.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
uh,
pb,,
sarah
silver:
uh,.
Let's
see
the
city
managed
trees,
provide
about
thirty-four
percent
of
all
canopy
cover.
So
that's
an
important
percentage
of
our
canopy
cover..
So
in
the
chapter
c,
three
about
tree
placement
and
paved
areas,.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
along
our
major
roads.,
I'm
thinking
like
twenty,,
eighth
and
thirtieth,
will
always
be
short.
small
trees
that
don't
live
very
long,
and
therefore
don't
provide
very
much.
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
blocked,,
or
put
cyclists
and
pedestrians
at
any
risk.
or
cars,
for
that
matter,
from
cars
coming
out
of
driveways.
but
um!.
I
just
don't
understand
how
we're
going
to
get.
J
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
so
two
things
I'd
offer
at
least
two..
The
first
would
be
on
this
particular
regulation,
actually
isn't
changing.,
and
so
it's
uh,,
you
know
what
it
will
have
been
doing
in
terms
of
trees,
would
be
able
to
continue..
This
one
is
really
about
ensuring
they're
not
placed
too
close
to
an
intersection,.
So
I
I
don't
read
it
as
it
would
prohibit
large,
mature
trees
in
many
of
those
locations
along
that
kind
of
frontage,
where
you
do
have
trees
and
great
keep
in
mind..
I
I
J
J
J
J
J
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
so
I
would
say,
um,,
probably
we
wouldn't
recommend
such..
So
when
we
talk
about
the
balancing,
a
goal.
safety
is
going
to
be
the
number
one.
and
so
to
modify
this,
to
allow
obstruction
of
site
to
an
angular,
site,
distance
would
not
be
our
recommendation.
um!
is
that
is
directly
related
to
safety..
When
you
talk
about
the
balancing
of
the
goals,,
we
would
not
see
balancing
the
other
pieces
in
a
negative
impact
of
what
has
already
been
determined
as
minimum
safety
requirement
for
site,
distance.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
um,
you're,
you
know,.
No,
no
doubt
right
that
on
twenty
eighth,,
I'm
sure
this
has
impacted
what
you
have
seen,
as
that
corridor
has
gone
through
updates
because
of
the
number
of
driveways,,
not
necessarily
the
case
in
many
spots,.
But
there
are
locations
along
there..
We
would
again
not
recommend
doing
something
that
would
lessen
the
safety
aspect
by
creating
side,
distance,
problems.
K
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
easily
pb,
sarah
silver:
plants,
the
kinds
of
trees
that
will
can
mature
to
a
significant.
J
Edward
stafford
cob:
we're
at
a
significant
height
or
rate,,
but
certainly
the
balancing
of
war
trees
besides,
along
the
streetscapes
can
go
as
we
look
at
redevelopment
opportunities
for
things
that
come
in
along
those
corridors
of
those
those
particular
properties..
Not
all
of
the
the
canopy.
I
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
well,,
maybe
when
we
get
to
that.
so
pb,
sarah
silver:,
I'm
wondering
if,
when
we
get
to
the
sidewalk
part
of
the
review,
which
will
come
in
some
later
phase,.
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
uh,
I'll
just
the
the
the
downtown
areas,
and
see
if
there's
some
opportunity
to
be
creative.
and
put
trees
in
the
canopy
as
a
top
priority.
J
A
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
redevelopment,
brad,
mueller,
cob:
number
one,
or
when
we
are
confronted
with
a
redevelopment
of
a
street
as
a
city
project
to
c
ip
project,
widening
uh,,
enhancing
those
types
of
things.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:,
we
certainly
do
in
terms
of
the
requirements
for
street
trees
that
are
part
of
title
nine.
um..
Certainly
in
those
projects,
there
is
always
some
give
and
take
and
pull
about
how
to
to
best
do
that,
to
meet
the
different
needs,,
the
spacing
of
trees
from
side
triangles
from
water
lines..
All
those
things
we
work
through
that
on
a
regular
basis.
sometimes..
That
may
mean
that
if
they
can't
get
them
in
the
actual
planting
strip
in
order
to
still
meet
that
requirement.,
so
yeah,
you're,
absolutely
right
as
project
come
in.
I
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
and
we
can
certainly
look
into
that..
My
hope
would
be.
We've
got
some
minimum
ward
t
times
and
and
some
things
like
that.
M
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
so
hopefully
that
helps
address
something.
yeah,
brad,.
If
I
could
just
respond,
I
I
I
don't
know
what
the
standards
are
for
viability.,
but
my.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um!
and
you
can
drive
down
pearls
or
walk
down
pearl
street
and
see
all
the
trees
that
have
been..
If
they
may,
they
may
be
all
all
ashore.
trees,.
I
don't
know,,
but
all
those
trees
on
the
pearl
street
have
been
cut
off.
um,,
so
it
maybe
that
is
an
area
to
explore.
About,,
perhaps
requiring.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
bigger
great
graded
trees,
creating
more
opportunity
for
more
for
sturdier
trees,.
You
know,
et
cetera,
et
cetera..
That
might
be
an
an
area
worth
exploring,.
J
Edward
stafford
cob:-
and
I
can
actually
tell
you
that
that
is
been
explored
in
is
part
of
these
changes..
So
a
lot
of
what
you
see
in
those
which
are
or
older
installations
do
not
meet
today,
what's
proposed
in
here,,
or
even
some
of
what
we've
been
applying,,
because
you're
right,
many
of
those
that
are
heavily
constrained..
They
do
not
contain
the
soil
volume
to
support.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
positive,
strong,
pre
growth.
um,.
We
have
updated
these
standards..
We
have
learned
a
lot
in
some
of
the
more
recent
capital
projects
on
some
newer
things
like
silver
cells
that
provide
greater
growth,
medium
growth
area
for
trees.
um.,
so
that
that
has
been
something..
Forestry
has
helped
a
lot
in
that
discussion
about,
what's
appropriate
in
here.
Some
of
the
new.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
drawings,,
actually
even
in
title
eleven.,
start
to
address
that
further,,
whereas
the
there
there
was
an
older
style
out,
there.
that
was
yeah,.
Just
put
up
a
little
bit
of
great
in
here
in
a
trail.
grow
just
fine
in
it,
and
well,.
That's
absolutely
not
the
case.
um,.
We
have
plenty
of
those
around
that,.
You
know
we'll
take
decades,,
if
not
centuries,,
to.
I
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
yeah,,
um,,
thanks,,
john.
and
so
just
to
build
on
sarah's
concern
for
trees.,
which
um,
I
I
it
made
me
this
going
through
this
section
of
the
dcs.
and
talking
about
trees.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
made
me
think
back
to
the
parks
and
direct
department
master
plan
that
we
unanimously
recommended
council
adopt..
One
of
the
things
in
that
plan.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
I
was
so
impressed
with
was
that
the
parks
and
rec
staff
took
upon
themselves
to
state
that
the
intent
of
the
plan,-
and
I
I
don't
have
the
wording
right
here
in
front
of
me-
was
essentially
to
maximize
the
the
public
good,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
to
serve
the
broadest
range
of
people,
and
to
fulfill
the
city's
climate
and
equity
goals..
So
it
was
something
along
the
lines
of
well,
sure,,
but
but.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
stating
it
up
front,
I
thought
was,
was
really
important,
and
I
understand
the
dcs
is
a
technical,
document.
um,,
but
I
also
think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
what.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
seattle
department
of
transportation,,
their
wording.,
and
I
sent
this
in
an
email,,
but
I
think
reading
it
as
a
as
just
one.
Paragraph
is
really
important.
um,
to
to
show
what
another
department
has
done
to
preface.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
their
their
street
trees,
vegetation,
requirements,,
and
that
is,
street
trees
are
required
by
a
municipal,
code,
and
standards
set
by
s.
dot,,
designed
to
provide
maximum
public
benefit
and
compatibility
with
other
infrastructure
in
the
street.
right
of
way,.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
urban
forestry,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.,
but
then
it
closes
with
to
protect
measures,,
to
preserve
the
functional,
environmental,
social,
and
economic
benefits
of
trees
and
to
support
the
citywide
urban
forestry
goals
to
increase
canopy
cover.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
it's
like
well,
there.
They,
they
really
put
it
out,
there.
so
anyway,.
If
I
had
a
a
recommendation,,
it's
that
our
protection
of
trees
and
plants.,
the
legislative
intent,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
et
cetera,
is
pretty
dry.,
really
doesn't
address
kind
of
a
broader
range
of
goals,
and
we
can
include
climate
in
there,
along,,
which
is,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
increase
canopy
cover,
again,
and
growing
healthy
trees
is
part
of
reaching
our
climate
goal.,
so
anyway,.
I
I
would
encourage
that
a
consideration
of
of
making
our
legislative
intent.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
more
available
to
people
who
interact
with
our
streets
and
and
to
the
department
as
a
whole.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
thank
you.
um,.
I
think,
mark
you
may..
The
next
phase
of
this
meeting
will
be
discussion
among
the
board
and
development
of
our
recommendation,,
and
that
may
be
the
time
for
you
to
propose.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
dcs
in
in.,
when
we
approved
the
site
review
of
diagonal
plaza.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
john
gerstle:,
the
street
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
that
was
is
created,
which
is
now
parking
lot.,
but
we
create
the
the
the
development
creates
a
street
going
from
twenty
eighth
street.
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
was
wide.,
it
was
kind
of
uninteresting.,
it
was
it,
it
didn't,
look
like
it
was
designed
to
manage
speeds,
or
a
twenty
mile
per
hour.
speed,
limit,
and
the
developer's
answer
to
my
concerns.
Was,
hey,.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
going
north,
south
from
belmont,
a
couple
of
blocks
in
which
is
now
one
of
the
most
creative,
interesting
cool
streets..
It's
really.
I
had
someone
the
other
day,
call
it
a
winner,
of,.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
something
that
can
be
designed
and
done
in
conjunction
with
the
development,
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
these,
with
a
new
street,.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
allow
for
streets
like
thirty-four
and
correct
for
streets.
The
new
unnamed
street
on
the
north
side
of
diagon
plaza.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
done
through
the
tv
and
the
area
plan
that
prescribed
additional
or
different
street
standards.
This
phase
of
the
dcs
update
was
not
looking
at
street
cross-sections
or
those
street
standards
that
likely
can
be
a
future
phase..
It
is
a
fairly
significant
effort
to
take
on
um,,
and
so
I
don't.
L
Cob,,
gerrit
slatter:,
I
I
I
would
just
chime
in
to
that
um,.
Just
as
I
guess
context.
I
I.
I
understand
the
desire
to
make
sure
that
the
the
new
streets
that
we're
bringing
into
the
transportation
network
are
meeting
our
our
our
broader
city
goals
and
transportation
goals
and
sustainability,,
and
so
forth.
um,.
But
I
I
did
ask
um,
our
gis
folks
how
many
center
line
miles
of
streets
were
added
to
the
city
inventory
over
the
last
five
years.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
are:
are
there
any
any
other
questions
for
staff?.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right.,
so
pb
john
gerstle:,
I
think..
Now
it's
the
time
when
we'll
conduct
a
public,
hearing.
um,.
A
A
Cob,
brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
brenda,.
Would
you
like
to
take
charge
of
this
portion,.
B
E
E
E
E
Lynn,
segal:
we're
baseline.
E
E
E
E
Lynn,
segal:
um!
and
it's
basically
the
same
house..
They
put
an
entry
thing
on
the
front
and
added
some
stuff.,
but
it's
a
huntington
jones
and
a
hunter
house..
It
should
have
been
landmarked..
I
don't
know
what
happened,
how
this
could
have
gone
through,
ldrc.
and
just
been
passed
through
for
demolition.
E
E
Lynn,
segal:
and
there's
a
lot
of
trees.
There.
there's
this
beautiful
tree
house
between
these
two
trees,
and
another.
E
Lynn
segal:
thing
for
kids
to
play
on
with
tires
and
things
between
trees,
gazebo
um!,
there's.
E
E
E
E
E
E
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
do
we
have
any
other
pb
john
gerstle:
speakers
in
the
public
hearing?.
B
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
thoughts
on
pb
john
gerstle:,
our
recommendation
to
counsel.
A
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I
I
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
don't
want
to
delve
back
into
the
minutia
of
sidelines..
I
I
think
my
my
views
are
not
to
staff
and
the
board
that.
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
really
recommend
would
be
to
the
street
tree
language
that.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
it
be
that
it
address.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
because
trees,
you
know,,
we
we.
We
have
inequities
in
trees,
in
their,,
in
their
location..
We
have
inequities
in
in
vegetation,
and
how
streets
are
addressed,
and
we.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
we
have
deficiencies,
and
how
we
use
trees
to
meet
our
climate..
So
I
would
I
don't
have
motion
language..
I
didn't
come
with
that
tonight,,
but.
H
I
would
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
make
a
point:
that,
uh,,
barring
a
some
legal
prohibition
on
that,
under
under
the
intent
that.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
We
should
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
particularly
on
our
on
our
tree,
canopy
and
vegetation
requirements,
that
they
should
be
have
an
aspirational
or
goal,
or
in
a
component.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
um.
yes,.
I
absolutely
concur
with
with
mark..
I
actually
had
a
note
that
I
overlooked,
wondering
what
it
would
look
like,
and
I
think
that
the
appropriate
place
for
this
kind
of
thing
would
be
under
the
legislative
intent
in
six
six,,
because
that
is
chapter
six.
Protection
of
trees
and
plants.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
health,,
safety,
and
welfare
by
protecting
trees..
But
it
doesn't
talk
about.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
trees,
pb
ml,
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:
in
in
any
kind
of
the
way
mark
described,,
and
I
think
that.
F
F
F
F
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:
is
critical
as
well,
and
we
need
to
find
the
language,.
I
think,
to
not
undermine
and
overlook
the
fact
that
trees.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
they
play
a
big
role
in
our
kind,
and.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
um!.
I
love
trees,,
too,
and
and
recognize
all
of
the
the
good
things
that
they
bring
to
our
city,
and
how
important
they
are,
uh,
you
know,
for
heat,
for
for
public
welfare,,
you
just
for
the
feel
of
of
being
in
a
city
like
ours.
um,.
You
know,,
I
think
about
cities
in
the
desert.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
would
it
be
in
in
his
opinion,
as
someone
who
deals
with
the
the
designing
construction
standards?,
would
it
be
appropriate
to
add
language
like
that??
Would
it
be
an
obstacle
like??
What
does
he
think
about
that
like
where
it
would
go,
and
whether
that
seattle
language
is
a
good
model,.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
sure,
and
I
can
start
to
address
that.,
I'm
not
sure
if
hell
or
brad
would
want
to
add
anything
they
may
not.
in
general,.
I
would
say
it's
probably
appropriate
to
consider
whether
there's
something
to
add
to
six,
six,
one
in
the
brc,,
which
is
the
legend
light
of
intent..
We
have
really
refrained
from
doing
that
type
of
thing
in
the
dcs.,
which
is
truly
designed
to
be
a
very
specific
technical
requirements,
document
um.,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
it
would
be
something
I
would
consider
as
appropriate
in
there.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
that
I
think
you're
looking
for..
That
would
be
more
appropriate
in
the
boulder
revised
code.
keeping
in
mind
that
dcs.
is
really
about
the
design
standards
of
public
infrastructure,,
including
public
landscaping.,
and
I
think
what
you're
getting
at
is
a
potentially
an
intent
larger
than
that..
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
for
such
um?,
we
would
have
to
work
on
how
we
would
then
graph
that
for
counsel
to
see
as
part
of
their
the
package
that
they
see.
um..
I
don't
anticipate
that
we
would
have
significant
concern
there,,
although
without
seeing
the
specific
language
and
ensuring
that
our
legal
staff,
especially
is
okay.
with
that,
I
probably
should
be
careful
about
saying
that
um,
and
how
it
could
be
presented,,
but
certainly
within
the
purview
of
recommendations,.
G
M
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
how
I
see
you
went
off,
mike,,
too.,
hella
pannewig,
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
yeah,
um,.
I
would
say
that
the
legislative
and
ten
sections
should
be
consistent
with
the
city's
authority
to
regulate
for
the
city's
help
involved..
Where
and
I
think.
N
N
N
A
N
N
N
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
suggesting
that
hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
you
don't
add,
intent
language
that
hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:.
It's
not
something
that
the
standard
speed
address.
N
K
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay..
So
if
I
understand
correctly
how
you're
basically
saying,,
let's
not
write
an
intent
where
there's
nothing
that
implements
that
intent..
So
we
have
to
look
at
what
we've
got
that's
implementing
language
and
make
sure
that
the
intent
matches
that,
and
if
we
want
to
have
an
intent
that
goes
beyond
the
standards
that
we
have,.
That
would
implement
it,.
G
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
and
it
goes
on
from
there.
using
words
like
improve
the
character
and
quality
of
new
development,
facilitate
adequate
economical
provision
of
streets.
I'm..
Just
using
that
as
an
example
of
a
technical
document
that
it
begins
with
under
purpose.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
some
some
subjective
and
aspirational
requirements.,
so.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
might.
what
I'd
like.
hell,
is
legal
reaction
to
this
under
six
hundred
and
sixty-one
a
if
we
were
to
add
just
a
a
phrase.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
that
would
read
um..
So
the
purpose
of
this
chapter
is
to
protect
blah,
blah,,
blah,
blah
blah!
and
to
advance
the
goals
of
the
boulder
urban
for
a
strategic
plan,,
including
no
net
loss
of
overall
tree
canopy
by
two
thousand
and
thirty-seven,,
so
that
that's
language
that
comes
directly
from
a
plan.
N
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
looking
at
that
chapter
right
now,,
because
it
does
regulate
and
limit
removal
of
trees
within
the
public
right
of
way..
It's
very
broad
language,,
considering
that
this
chapter
I
think,.
N
N
N
N
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
rejecting
my
own
suggestion,.
I
would
raise
one.
J
A
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I'm
I'm
really
appreciating
this
conversation,
and
I
want
to
go
to
like
the
intent..
I
think
I
think
the
planning
board's
intent
is
clear,
which
is
support.
um,.
You
know
the
urban
forestry
goals
in
in
boulder
and
support
the
development
of
that
canopy,
where
it
intersects
with
design
and
construction
standards
where
it
intersects
with
the
boulder
revised
code.
G
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
and
it
seems
like
the
the
actual
construction
of
what
that
looks
like
how
that
gets.
Inserted
is
somewhat
complicated
and
nuance,,
and
I
would
hate
for
us
to
kind
of
try
to
write
something
off
the
cuff
without
being
able
to
do
a
deep
dive
into.
How
does
it
relate
to
other
things??
And
you
know.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
how
these
kinds
of
things
are
typically
constructed?,
but
I
would
be
supportive
of
a
recommendation
for
staff
to
take
a
look
at
this,
keeping
in
mind
what
we
have
expressed
tonight.
In
terms
of
our
intents
and
the
kinds
of
suggestions
that
we've
made,
and
to
try
to
add
something.
um!.
O
O
O
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
so?
pb
john
gerstle:
well,
why,
don't,.
We
get
a
staff
response
to
to
laura's
suggestion
about
drafting,.
Having
heard
our
comments.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
drafting
responding
to
them
and
giving
us
a
chance
in
our
next
meeting,,
which
is
next
week
to
formally
approve
it.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
um.,
I
know
I
personally
would
not
be
present
for
your
meeting
next
week.
I
will
be
out
of
town.
um.,
but
again,.
If
that's
your
desire,,
your
your
pleasure,,
I
think
it's
certainly
within
your
ability
to
do
such.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
so
sure.
yeah.,
so
I'm
sending
some
language
to
hella
and
amanda
right
now,,
which
would
be
a
recommendation
to
council..
This
would
this:
could
we
could
vote
on
this
tonight,
because
it's
just
a
recommendation
to
council
to
consider
adding
language
to
six
hundred
and
one
a
that
would
establish.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
or
established,
probably
is
the
wrong
word.
Implementation.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
would
would
in.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
would
would
add
to
this
section
the
goal
of
implementation
of
the
boulder
urban
strategy,
boulder
urban
forest.
J
J
J
A
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
Maybe
it's
simply
understood
that
if
staff
doesn't
agree
with
the
planning
board's
recommendation,,
they
might
come
with
an
alternate
suggestion,.
But
I
would
like
to
leave
the
door
open
to
staff,
saying,
there,.
There
might
be
a
better
way
to
phrase
this
or
a
better
place
to
put
it.
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:.
It
seems
that
if
we,,
if
we
approve
the
motion,
tonight,
and
we
add
a
suggestion-
that
that
staff.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
look
into
pb
ml
robles:
pb
ml
robles:,
enhancing
that
legislative
intent.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
to
provide
a
reference
to.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
tree
canopy
in
particular.
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:
and
you
know
just
kind
of
taking
it
up
on
in
their
own
conversation.,
but
if
staff
could
come
to
the
council,
with,
here
is
what
might
work
to,.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
what
considerations
do
we
feel
are
lacking
in
that
legislative
intent
in
six?
that,
might
be
appropriate
to
include.
F
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
is
what
I'm
hearing,
brad
mueller,
cob:.
So
I
I
guess,
I'm
I'm
frightening
it
just
to
make
sure,
confirming
what
I'm
hearing,
and
then
kind
of
a
pass
off.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
look
towards
edwards.
whether
that.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:.
It
is
both
practical
brad,
mueller,
cob:
and
something
that
we
can
successfully
convey.
I
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:,
um:
and
yeah,,
we
would
look
at
how
to
best
craft
to
language..
I
want
to
work
very
closely
with
hell
on
that.,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
other
places
where
we
actually
reference
specific
master
plans..
So
we
may
want
to
look
at
something
a
little
bit
different
than
that,,
if
that
was
some
amenable
to
the
board,
or
if
your
your
recommendation
was
large
enough
for
open
enough
for
us
to
look
at
that,
so
that
we
could
could
craft
something
that
would
be.
N
N
N
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:.
So
if
if
we
were
to
recommend
that
staff
include
some
explicit
preference
to
the
urban
forestry
master
plan
in.
A
A
Edward
stafford
cob:,
do
I
understand
that
I
think
so,,
my
my
one
caveat
would
be.
it
may..
It
may
not
necessarily
be
a
direction
to
staff
as
much
as
a
the
direction
and
the
recommendation,,
and
then
staff
can
work
on
that..
Do
you
want
to
respect
the
lines
of
really,
you're,
making
recommendations
to
the
council
and
not
necessarily
direction
to
staff
in
terms
of
the
roles,,
but
we
we
understand
what
your
intent
is
there,
and
we
would.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
want
to
have
that
language
because
we
don't.,
I
would
agree
with
you-
wouldn't
want
to
just
put
it
in
front
of
council
without
anything.
That's
been
work,
through,
and
say,.
Here
we're
in
the
middle
of
your
hearing.
figure
out
this
language,
just
as
you're
struggling
with
that
now,,
they
would
also..
So
I
I
think
we
can
work
with
that.
J
C
Cob,
amanda
cusworth:
suggested
motion
language.
and
then
what
sarah
had
sent
over.
J
A
J
J
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
I
think
it's.,
hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:.
I
think
it's
a
bit
a
difference,
and
how
strong
the
languages,,
if
you
recommend
to
consider
it,
or
if
you
actually
recommend
to
include
it,.
So
I
do
think,
there's
a
difference,
and
you
could.
N
N
N
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
city's
climate
goals,
pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
equity
calls
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
so
that
we.
we
we
refer
to
the
three..
You
know
we
have..
The
city
has
an
adopted,
formalized
equity
plan..
The
city
has
an
adopted,
formalized,
funded
action
plan,,
and
we
have
an
adopted
urban
for
a
strategic
plan,
and
that.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
the
that,
if
you,,
if
staff
through
careful
wording,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
with
street
landscaping.
H
G
G
G
F
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I
I
think,,
like
our
again,,
like
like
the
parks,
and
rep
plan,
where
it's
kind
of
like.,
well,
gee.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
that
department,
pb
mark
mcintyre:
was
really
pb
mark
mcintyre:
out
in
front
of
how
to
make
their
long-term
plan
align.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
we
are
acknowledging
that
there
are,
uh,,
I
don't
want
to
say
failures,,
but
there
there
are
shortcomings
and
and
implementation
currently.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:-
I
just
don't
know
that
that's
the
right
place
for
us
to
be
declaring
an
intense
to
implement
the
city's
climate
initiatives
in
the
city's
racial
equity
plan..
Those
are
broader
to
me
than
just..
Why
is
it
stuck
under
chapter
six
protection
of
trees
and
plants,,
and
why
isn't
it
a
bigger
umbrella
thing
that
applies
to
everything.
G
K
M
M
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um,,
I'm
gonna,
agree
with
laura.
and
I
mean,
I.
I
really
appreciate
what
mark's
trying
to
do.
uh,,
but
I
think
I'm
gonna
agree
with
laura
that
limp..
I
think
keeping
it
small
rather
than
making
it
super
big.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um,,
because
we
can
always.
the
city,
can
always
come
back
and
revisit
this,
and
of
course
we
don't
even
know
if
council
will
accept
it
or
not.,
but
and
just
stick
with
the
implementation
of
the.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
for
a
service
plan
component
of
this
new
language,,
because
chapter
six
is
about
protection
of
trees
and
plants..
It's
um,
and
I
I
do
appreciate
the
equity
lens
and
the
climate
lens..
But
I.
J
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
um.,
so
the
first
one
is
the
legislative
intent..
The
second
section
is
called
removal
of
debt,
disease,
and
dangerous
trees,,
and
it
allows
the
city
manager
to
require
removal
of
that
disease
or
dangerous
trees,,
and
that.
N
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
planting
and
public
areas,
six,
six,,
four.
no
person
shall
plant
in
or
remove.
N
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
no
person
shall
be
allowed
to
remove
damage,
or
destroy
any
tree
or
plan
growing
on
city
property
or
right
of
way,
without
first
having
obtained
permission
from
the
city,
manager.
again,
permit
requirements
have
to
be
complied
with..
Um!.
There's
some
regulations
about
what
you
might
attach
to
a
trees,.
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:
and
then
there's
a
requirement
that
no
person
shall
remove
or
destroy
a
tree
in
the
public
right
way,
without
first
having
a
plan
approved.
and
the
plan,,
then
this
requirements
of
that
plan
has
to
look
like
that..
There
has
to
be
replacement,
trees
or
automatic
other
mitigation.
N
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:
that
the
city
manager
can
issue
to
implement
the
requirements
of
this
set.
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
the
location,,
the
the
way
in
which
what
we're
thinking
about
intersects
with
uh,.
What
edward
has
put
before
us
tonight.
J
N
N
N
N
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,
sarah
silver:
in
the
specific
sense..
Obviously
they
do
in
the
overarching
direction.
the
city
is
going
since,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
hey?,
I
see
uh,
edward,
has
some
thoughts
on
this.
I
Edward
stafford,
cob:
yeah,
a
few
thoughts
is
this
kind
of
expanded
beyond
what
I
said
earlier
in
terms
of
what
we
might
be
comfortable.,
and
I
thank
you,
however,
going
through.
What's
in
that
section
and
trying
to
tie
back
to
you
know
the
intent
should
be
met
with
in
the
goals..
I
also
would
express
some
concern
of
starting
to
list
a
number
of
plans
that
to
be
adopted
into
the
both
of
revised
code
as
a
legislative
versus
those
plans
that
have
been
adopted
and
are
in
use..
I
I
don't
believe
we
have,
other
circumstances
where
we're
necessarily
doing
that
for
title..
My
preference
would.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
be
for
us
to
have
the
ability
to
look
at,,
you
know.
like,.
Are
there
appropriate
goals?,
which
are
they?
you've
already
identified
in
terms
of
the
protection
of
and
known
that
loss
of
tree
canopy
and
trying
to
add
some
of
that
to
the
legislative
intent,?
I
think,
is
very
much
doable
trying
to
bring
in
a
number
of
plans
just
by
reference..
I
don't
don't.
Know,
really
achieves
a
a
great
goal:
here,
and
I'm
a
lot
less
comfortable
with
the
ability
of
staff
to.
I
F
Pb
ml
robles:
uh,-
I
I
think
I'm
in
agreement
with
with
reducing
the.
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
references.
oops.
F
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:
purpose
of
what
we're
pb
ml
robles:,
adding
to
the
motion,
pb
ml
robles:
is
some
thinking
that
staff
could
then
pursue
in
a
very
specific
kind
of
a
way.
um.,
so
that
council
can
say,
okay,.
We
might
be
desiring
to
have.
F
Pb
ml
robles:
purpose,
pb
ml
robles:,
similar
to
what
success
is,
is
going
for.
K
G
G
G
G
O
G
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
that's
new.,
I
don't
know..
I
mean
if
if
this
is
a
compromise
that
makes
people
happy.,
I
think
I'm
I'm
totally
cool
that
I
can
vote
for
that..
I
can't
I?.
I
don't
feel
comfortable
putting
all
the
other
plans
in,,
not
because
I
don't
like
them..
I
love
them,,
but
I
don't
think
they
belong.
Here.
um,.
O
O
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I'm
I've
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
I
I
actually
I
shouldn't
have
raised
my
hand.
I'm..
I'm.
H
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
we'll
come
up
with
something
that
is
more
inclusive
and
more
aspirational
than
the
language
that
exists
there
today,
and
we
can
say,
hey,.
We
heard
you
board,.
I
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
my
bias
would
be
toward
going
ahead
and
just
passing
it
rather
than
kind
of.
O
G
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:
to
the
last
sentence,
or
to
the
last.
F
F
F
G
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion
here,.
J
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
ml
mark!
hi!.
O
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
to
everyone's
attention.,
clearly
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
short,,
then.,
sure.,
pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,.
It's
now
at
eight,
thirty.
We
have
one
more
fairly
short
item.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
tonight,
and
then
some
matters..
I
propose
we
take
a
ten
minute
break
and
come
back.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
at
uh,,
eight,
forty-two.
G
G
O
K
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
all
right..
Let's
get
back
in
motion
here,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
I
think
the
next
item
is
an
information
item-
that
the
staff
will
tell
us
about.
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
certainly.,
so
this
is
just
an
information
item
regarding
vacation
of
a
portion
of
uh,.
I
believe
this
is
access
easement..
We
were
required
by
the
charter
to
inform
the
board,
when
something
of
this
nature
is
happening
which
will
be
going
to
council
here
next
month..
If
there
are
questions,
certainly
let
us
know
otherwise.
no
actions
necessary
from
the
board
tonight,,
just
really
for
your
fyi
about
something
going
to
council
here
soon.
A
pb
john
gerstle:.
I
went
out
there
yesterday
and
and
looked,
and
team
to
me
that,
what's
being
proposed,
is,
you
know,
fairly
small.
uh.,
but
the
reason
it's
being
proposed
is
because,
uh,
there's
this
building
nearby
is
to
be
expanded,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
special
variances
or.
I
I
Edward
stafford
cob:
the
the
vacation
of
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
directly
impact
how
that
a
great
review
or
the
outcome
of
it
it.
uh,.
If
this
was
not
to
be
vacated,,
it
would
prohibit
part
of
what
they
want
to
expand,
because
they
couldn't
couldn't,
of
course,
encroach
into
this.
I
A
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um.
brad,
mueller,
cob:.
I
wanted
to.
first
of
all,
acknowledge
and
really
express
appreciation
and
celebration
for
the
great
retreat.
You
all
that
I
know.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um,
and
that's
a
little
bit
in
in
the
past
now.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
reporting
out
and
follow
up.
A
pb
john
gerstle:
um!,
and
matters
from
the
board.
A
A
C
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
um,
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
uh,
john,
and
I
had
an
opportunity
on
the.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
super,
informative
and
fun.,
and
if
anyone
ever
wants
to
do
that
uh,
you
can
contact
jay,
and
he's
happy
to
arrange
another
time
for
that..
So.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
writing.
Home,
pb
mark
mcintyre:
had
an
opportunity
to
debrief
this
a
little
bit
on
regard
to
the
retreat.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
my
only
regret
or
a
consideration
in
regard
to
the
retreat
was,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
an
opportunity
rather
than
addressing
and.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
agenda
items
to
address
uh,
how
we
operate
as
a
board,,
goals,,
aspirations,,
frustrations,
whatever.
and
so
the
question
is,.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
whether
we
have
a
facilitate
facilitator
or
it's
it's
just
us
with
a
few
staff
members,
whatever
it
might.
Be,
obviously
would
have
an
an
agenda,
and
so
forth.
but
anyway,.
My
my
question
is
to
board
members
having
not
had
much
time
to
think
about
this.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
garely
like
to
avoid.
F
F
Pb
ml
robles:,
when
we
were
talking
about
having
the
training.
F
pb
ml
robles:.
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
been
doing
is
meeting.
F
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
I
relate
to
what
both
mark
and
ml.
are
saying.
so,
ml:,
I
agree..
I
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
use
the
matters
section
to
talk
about
content.
you
know,,
subject:
matter,
that
we
don't
have
time
to
talk
about
in
the
board
meetings,
and.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
think
the
suggestion
was
made
previously
that
there
could
be
educational
pieces.
Like,,
get
us
up
to
speed
on
boulder's,
affordable
housing
program
or
get
us
up
to
speed
on
on
the
boulder
urban
forestry
plan
that
I
don't
I
haven't
read,
don't
know
much
about
um,,
so
I
I
think
those
kinds
of
things
would
be
nice
to
have
in
matters.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um,.
I
also
relate
to
what
mark
is
saying
about
how
that
was
one
thing
that
I
didn't
say
in
terms
of
the
plus
delta
exercise.
We
did
with
morrow,,
but
I
thought
about
it
like
five
minutes
after
walking
out
of
the
room.,
you
know
that
I
did
wish
that
we
had
had
space
in
the
retreat
to
have
some
of
the
conversations
that
morrow
was
recommending,,
that
we
have,,
like
the
conversation
about.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan::
do
people
want
the
meetings
to
be
facilitated
in
a
way
that
really
focuses
on
efficiency.,
or
do
people
like
having
the
space
for
you
know,
john,,
to
let
us
meander
a
little
bit,,
and
I
expect
that
we
may
have
some
differences
in
how
we
interpret
that,,
and
it
might
be
good
to
actually
have
that
conversation
that
morrow
recommended,,
that
we
have,.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
or
how
we
apply
some
of
the
tools
that
morrow
recommended
like
the
tool
about
going
through
certain
things
item
by
item,,
with
each
person
commenting
on
just
one
item
at
a
time
rather
than
each
person
gives
a
long
laundry
list,.
And
then
we
try
to
summarize
and
come
back
to
the
important
things..
So
I
I
I
do
think,.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
and
I'll
go
beyond
that..
There
were
things
that
we
did
not
discuss
in
the
treat,.
The
retreat
that
are
kind
of
what
mark
is
talking
about,
of
what
a
typical
board
does
to
look
at
its
own
process
and
talk
about
how
it
can
make
adjustments
and
work
together.
Better..
You
know
I
have
had
conversations,
for
example,
with
city
council
members
where
they
talk
about.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
planning
for
its
relationship
with
staff,
or
how
a
recommendation
that
we,
as
planning
board
made,
and
how
that
landed
with
city,
council
and
kind
of
put
them
in
a
certain
position
that,
I
think,
would
be
good
for
us
to
talk
about
and
think
about..
You
know
our
role
is
not
to
be
a
rubber
stamp,.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
but
when
we
do
go
against
staff's
advice,
or
when
we
do
go
against
city
council's
recommendations,,
that
that
means
something.
and
so
how
we
frame
it,
and
how
we
think
about
our
role..
I
think,
in
that
regard,
and
how
we
function
within
the
city
is
something
that
we
could
have
a
conversation
about.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
again.-
I
I
absolutely
am
not
here
to
be
a
rubber
stamp,
and
just
never
make
waves..
I
am
going
to
make
waves
at
certain
points,,
but
I
do
think
we
should
talk
about
how
we're
doing
that
together
as
board.
so,
in
in
short,
I'm.
in
favor..
I
would
make
time
for
what
mark
is
suggesting.
O
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
noticed
a
couple
of
headlines
about
declining
enrollment
and
bbsd.
We
have
fewer,
and
for
your
families
and
fear
of
your
children.
in
boulder
um,
and
they're,
probably
looking
at
consolidating.,
I
mean,
they're
not
talking
about
it
yet,,
because
everyone's
gonna
lose
their
minds.,
but
they're
probably
going
to
need
to
close
an
elementary
school..
So
um,
you
know.
and
then
that's
going
to
have
impact
on
middle
schools
and
high
schools,
and.
O
O
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:.
It's
an
overarching
trend
that
it's
interesting
to
me
when
we
see
things
come
forward.
and
how
does
that
affect??
How
we
think
about
you
know
missing
middle,
and
so
on.
um,.
So
I
would
be
open
to
one
um,
having
more
of
those
topics
come
forward
when
we
have
a
shorter
agenda..
I
know
that's
also
kind
of
part
of
the
people
we
invite
to
come,
because
sometimes
we
go
longer
than
we
expect
to,.
So
that
gets
back
to
us,
running.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
tight
and
timely
meetings,
with,
pb,,
lisa
smith:,
when
possible.
somewhat
predictable
time
stamps
and
around
when
we
think
we'll
get
through
things.
um.
secondly,
you
know,,
we,
we
do
often
have
kind
of
a
space
and
opportunity
for
a
debrief
at
this
point
at
the
end
of
the
night,,
but
it
hasn't
been
super
formal
um,
and
we
haven't
necessarily
had
like.
O
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
particularly
intense
meetings
that
we
have,
and
and
kind
of
recognize
and
appreciate
each
other..
But
we
haven't
necessarily
used
that
debrief
time
to.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
constructively.
talk
about
a
whole,,
I
can,
you
know,,
use,
use
this
tool,
or
maybe
it
would
have
been
whether,.
If
we
done
this,
you
know,,
we
we're
not
doing
those
kind
of
debriefs.
um.,
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
to
lead
them,,
but
that
might
be
useful,
and
then
I'd
be
open
to
um,.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
potentially
doing
another
retreat.,
but
honestly,,
not
until
next
year.
um,.
I
would
be
open
to
doing
it
sometime
in
in
the
spring.,
but
to
carve
out
time
again
this
quickly,
and
especially
as
we're
rolling
into
november
and
december,.
I
think
it's
just..
I
would
be
hard
for
me
to
do.
That.
um.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I
I
kind
of..
I
immediately
went
to
a
social
place..
I
was
like,
yeah,.
Let's,
like
hang
out
socially.,
we
used
to
like,,
be
able
to
go
out
and
get
dinner,
and
like
private
drinks
or
something
after,.
If
people
wanted
to
like.,
we
wasn't,
you
know,
pressured,,
but
you
know:
there'd
be
sort
of
sell
return,
meetings,
and.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
um,.
We
don't
get
to
do
that..
I
know
I
don't
know
what
the
city's
finances
are
like,,
but
I
know
you
haven't
had
the
bias
dinners,,
so
perhaps
there
might
be
a
little
money
money
for
food,
or
something
like
that..
So
you
know
I
I
would
be
open
to
that.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
in
the
future,,
and
it
might
be
nice
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a.
O
P
P
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
to
the
extent
that
people
want
to
get
together.
As
a
group.-
I
I
think
we
can
accomplish
lot
informally.
getting
on
the
same
page.
um!
so
like
that
idea,
and
then
um!.
P
P
Pb,
jorge
boone:
um!,
I
thought
that
was
really
helpful
as
a
board
member.
um,.
So
I
I
would
encourage
something
like
that.
and
then
using
matters..
I
I
I
like
the
idea
of
debriefing
after
meetings
like
this.
um,,
you
in
the
matter,
section
to
the
extent
that
we
can.
uh,,
because
I
think
there
are.
there
are
opportunities
for
efficiency
in
our
meetings.
M
O
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
but
more
opportunities
when
there
may
be
already
happening
to
like,,
take
a
tour
with
an
arrest
of
like
the
canopy,.
If
it's
already
happening,
and
like,,
maybe
we
don't
all
go,
but
like
people
who
can,
and
if
it
happens
to
fit
into
your
week,.
You
show
up,
you
know,
or
like
the
bike,
tour
or.
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
um,,
whatever
of
a
lot
of
those
kind
of
got
put
on
hold,
understandably
because
of
covid
um,,
even
outdoor
stuff.,
and
I
think
now
I
assume
some
of
that's
opening
back
up
um,
and
that
would
be
a
nice
chance
to
have
some
of
those
informal
conversations,
and
maybe
not
hang
out
and
do
work
as
a
whole,
big
group,,
but
get
to
say
hi
to
each
other.
In
person,
and.
O
O
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
each
of
the
city
boards
an
opportunity
to
meet
one
time
by
hybrid
uh.,
but
that
does
involve
a
lot
of
staff,
training
and
uh,.
M
C
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
The
board
has
more
opportunity
to.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
have
some
input
on
what
happens.
the
amount
of
time
for
training
versus
board.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I'm.
also,,
I
hear.,
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
that
we
use
our
time,
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair
under
matters
that
any
board
member
should
feel
free
to
suggest
to
the
board
or
to
the.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
an
email
can
go
out.,
we
can
send
emails
to
the
entire
board
one
way
and
say,
gee!.
I
really
think
this
is
a
great
idea
as
a
topic
I'd
like
to
address.,
I
have
this
frustration,,
whatever
it
might
be,
and
and
we
we
do
that
we
don't
do
seven
of
those
and
one
meeting..
We
do
it
the
uh..
We
each
get
one
over
the
course
of
seven
meetings,
or
whatever,
and.
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
done
by
the
city..
It's
twenty
minutes.
Thirty
minutes
long.
it
it's
it's
wildly
educational.
and
um!.
That
would
be
one
of
my
first
suggestions
for
an
agenda.
item
and
an
upcoming
meeting.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
I'm.,
I'm
happy
to
take
that
on,,
because
I
I
tried
to
get
him
to
come
to
tab,
and
anyway,.
That
was
a
whole
big
deal.,
but
anyway,
um!.
He
is
no
longer
with
the
city..
He
has
joined
the
county,,
unfortunately
right.,
but
he's
still
in
town
and
still
interested
in
these
things..
I
think
so.
H
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
may
I?.
I
don't
want
to
cut
this
short,,
but
I
know
we
have
a
member
of
the
public
who's
been
waiting
to
talk
about
the
the
cu
project
and
the
inner,
you
know,
on
the
hill
hotel.
um,,
and
I
think
she
was
expecting
that
we
might
talk
about
that
around
seven
or
seven,
thirty,
and
I
and
she's
still
with
us,.
A
G
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
yes,
and
it,,
and
that
was
me
who
was
and
mark
have
have
talked
about
that
quite
a
bit,
and
we're
concerned
uh..
So
the.
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
uh,
pb
john
gerstle:
and
then
see
if
there's
other
thoughts
from
sue
prant
and
the
members
of
the
board,
who
are
interested.,
so,
brad:.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
uh,
alternatively,.
If
board
members
have
questions
that
they'd
like
to
ask.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay?
why,
don't.
why,.
Don't
you
give
us
the
the
what's
going
on
and
the
city's
version
of
things.
and
uh,
you
know,?
We
appreciate
that.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
was
a
very
protracted,,
as
I
understand
it.
engagement
with
cu.
years
and
years
ago
about
the
potential
for
a
conference
center
hotel.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
the
university
campus.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
encouragement,
and
ultimately
agreement
by
the
the
university
to
have
it
located
near
the
downtown,
so
that
there
would
be
a.
M
brad
mueller,
cob:
um,.
That
resulted
in
a
series
of
memorandum
of
understandings,,
one
of
which
gave
the
city
some
limited
review
of
the
site.
Plan.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
so
those
are
the
two
things
that
we're
brad
mueller,
cob:
submitted
at
some
level:
brad
mueller,
cob:.
In
early
in
the
year,
brad
mueller,
cob:
march,
april
of
specifics,
matter.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
get
that
brad
mueller,
cob:
um,
and
then
review
through
kind
of
the
midsummer.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
uh,.
There
was
a
onsite
meeting
with
the
community
members
council
members
to
you,
city
staff,
as
well.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
to
kind
of.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
subsequent
to
that
to
you,.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
if
not
all,
licenses,
site
plans.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
brad
mueller,
cob:,
one
brad,
mueller,,
cob:
timeline.
M
A
D
D
D
D
Sue
prant:
um,.
We
don't
get
to
do
that
here,
and
at
least
to
the
best
of
our
knowledge,,
where
it
certainly
doesn't
come
for
planning
board..
So
we've
tried
to
do
is
sort
of
bring
it
to
the
tension
of
council
and
council
seems
to
be
under
instructions
not
to
talk
about
this
project,,
which
is.
D
Sue
prant:
kind
of
upsetting
um.,
given
the
impact
on
a
major
bike,
path.
so,,
my
purpose
in
in
what
I
spoke
to
before,
was
just
to
kind
of
inform
you
of.
D
D
Sue
prant:
met
with..
I
met
with
the
hotel
today.
I'm
out
with
somebody
to
you..
I
have
been
meeting
with
a
region.
You
know
we're
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
this
trying
to
get
some
movement
of
just
people
saying
like,.
D
Sue
prant:,
basically
hey,.
This
is
crazy..
Can
we
step
back
from
this
kind
of
letter??
The
law
of
the
state
attorney's
office
is
asking
us
to
pursue
or
asking
the
city
to
pursue.
and
ah,
you
know,
and
and
let's
just
look
at
what's
safe
and
what.
D
D
Sue
prant:
kind
of
measuring
how
you
might
sue
prant:,
maybe
be
able
to
help
and
just
send
a
message
to
council,,
because
maybe
you
aren't
constrained
by
the
same.
D
F
Pb
ml
robles:
and
the
review
that
is
underway.
D
D
D
D
D
D
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
the
board
for
review.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob::
I
you
submit
a
building
for
that
and
staffing.,
so
this
particular
building
permit.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
we
have,
open
documents
that
are
accessible
to
the
public..
If
we
will
sit
down
any
day
with
any
person.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
to
hear
their
questions
and
concerns,
will
receive
letters
on
on
administrative
site,
plans,
for
example,
and
and
those
are
things
that
are
brought
into
consideration..
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
uh,-
that
is
the
the
kind
of
predictability
of
of
the
permitting
process.
M
M
brad
mueller,
cob:.
I
am
getting
way
out
of
school
in
my,.
N
N
N
Hella
pannewig,
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:
would
apply
normal
and
customary
standards..
It
applies
to
other
parties,
and
granting
and
denying
such
permit..
So
the
city
expressly
committed
to
following
the
knowledge
practices
in
addition
to
the
to
the
standard
legal
requirements
that
exist.
Anyways.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
and
I,
as
you
know,,
the
leader
of
this
group,
brad
mueller,,
cob:
feel..
It's
part
of
my
job
to
ask
probing
questions
of
staff
as
well,
and
and
do
know
that
I'm
committed,
and
doing
that
on
these,
and
you
know
many
cases
that
are
brought
forward,
both
as
administrative
ones
or.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um.,
so
so
I
thank
you,,
brad
and
hella
and
and
sue
for
this
discussion..
I
think
it's
really
illuminating
um,,
you
know,
and
I
I
get
that
exposing
the
city
to
legal
jeopardy
is
unlikely
to
have
good
outcomes,
because
see
who
has
the
pockets
to
sue.
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
definitely
don't
want
to
see
that,,
even
though
I
agree
with
sue
that
it
is
really
frustrating.
and
lamentable,,
and
I
don't
use
that
word
lightly.
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
it's
another
thing
for
me
to
talk
about
specifics.
Like,
do
we
know
specifically,
what's
being
requested
that
see
you
has
rejected
as
unreasonable
or
beyond
what
they
need
to
do..
I
guess
my
purpose
in
asking
that
is,
that
sometimes
people
will
stand
on
their
legal
rights
that
they
only
have
to
do
so.
Much.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
they
might
be
persuaded
to
do
the
right
thing
of
their
own
volition,
rather
than
the
city
requiring
it..
So
I
guess.
are
there
specific
suggestions
on
the
table
that
the
city
thinks
are
reasonable
and
protective
of
public
safety
that
you
could
make
a
persuasive
pitch
to
see
you,.
Even
if
you
can't
require
it.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
yeah.
and
um,
yeah,.
I
appreciate
those
thoughts,
and-
and
I
guess
that's
what
I
was
referencing
when
I
said
making
probing
questions.
um,
you
know,
staff
is
making
is
giving
probing
questions..
I
am
of
staff.
that
type
of
thing.
um,.
M
M
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
brad,
mueller,
cob:.
We
don't
have
the
legal
right
as
a
city
or
a
staff
to
again
exceed.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
making
law.
and
brad
mueller,
cob:
experience
tells
me
people
don't
like
that.
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
yes,
pb,
mark
mcintyre:,
yeah,
planning,
board
member
and
I'm
not
saying
they're
being
silent..
But
if
they're
being
discouraged
from
talking
about
this,,
if
they're
frustrated.
H
H
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
so
I
I'm
suggesting
pb
mark
mcintyre:
that,,
see
you
pb
mark
mcintyre:
has
created
a
problem,
pb
mark,
mcintyre:
and
cu..
Has
great
resources.
see
you
and
little
now,
group.?
They
have
more
resources
than
the
city
of
boulder
in
this
particular
issue,
and
I
think
it
would
be
who
staff
and
the
political.?
I
think
council
shown
political
will.
but
they've
been.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
kind
of
pushed
away
a
little
bit.,
I'm
just
speaking
directly
here
that
it
would
behoove
everyone
to
place
a
burden.
On.
see
you
and
say,.
You
know
what,
if
we,,
if
you
come
up
with
hey?
we're
going
to
do
this,
and
the
community's
view
of
it
is.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
This
is
really
unsafe
and
really
not
what
we
want..
That's
gonna
be
a
drag.,
and
so
I
I
would
encourage
staff
to
use
their
discretion,
because
staff
uses
discretion
all
the
time,,
because
the
code
doesn't
address
every
situation
to.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
is
that
results
in
greater
community
acceptance
than
hey?
we're
going
to
have
our
primary
entrance
on
grand
view.
and
uh,
we're
concerned
about
those
students,
too.,
but.
H
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
but
it's
very
hard
for
me
to
not
describe
that,
and
still
come
across
to
somehow
us
being
intractable.
um!
that
is,.
That
is
not
the
case..
We
we
definitely
feel
empowered,
and-
and
we
are
professionals.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
made
suggestions
about
best
practices
back
to
my
basement.,
the
example
that
we.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
point
out
that
a
better
would
isn't
a
bad
idea,
um,
you
know.,
but
um,,
but
but
we
also
know
that
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
need
to
work
within
certain
limits
up
into
the
point
of
you
know,.
The
flip
side
of
this
point
is
people
claiming
that
we're
holding
back
permits
too
much
that
we're.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,,
cob:,
nature
and
and
magnitude
of
problem
is.
A
A
D
D
D
A
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
suggestion
that
staff.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
use
their
discretion.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
where?
not
make
a
law,.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
but
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
We
use
use
discretion
to
acknowledge
community
concerns
about
the
current
plan,
and
to.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
their
solution,
game.
and
uh,
you
know,
uh,.
They
just
fired
their
football
code,
right?.
It's
like
you're
you're,
losing
your
fire..
Let's,
let's
have
some..
Let's
have
some
solutions
here
on
how
to
address
this.
Issue,,
which
is
not,,
is
not
going
to
go
away.
H
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I
I
I
was
the
one
that
made
the
first
motion
to
call
this
up,
and
that
was
rejected
as
being
illegal,
make
law,
and
so
consequently,
I
I'm
a
little
bit
at
a
loss
here
of
what.
H
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
We
as
planning
board,
can
do
other
than
to
make
our
thoughts
known.,
and
should
we
want
to
draft
a
letter
as
a
board
members
and
convey
some
of
our
concerns.
great,.
M
Uh!
we
have
brad
mueller,
cob:
access
for
for
all
the
cases.,
but
I'll
sing,
the
direct
one.
Just
as
convenience.
and
again
the
offers
stands
open
for
anybody
that
would
like
to
meet
with
us.
A
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
yeah,
pb,,
laura
kaplan:
for
the
sake
of
being
efficient,
I'll,
just
say,.
I
think
this
is
the
probably
the
third
time
that
we've
talked
about
this
topic,
and
I
feel
like
the
answers
that
we've
come
up
with,
have
been
the
same:
each
time.
and
so,.
While
I
appreciate
the
discussion,-
and
I
appreciate
that
it's
a
very
serious
issue,
and
that
the
community
really
cares.,
can
I
ask
that
we
not.