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Pb
john
gerstle:
has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
those
and
provide
any
changes
to
to
them
if
necessary.
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D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
I
think
we'll-
have
the
and
actually
read
our
rules
of
decorum
real
quick
for
the
evening.
yeah,
I'll
just
jump
into
that
quickly,,
and
then
we
can.
we
can
go
over
to
the
public
participation.
great
thanks
for
bringing
up
the
slides,
amanda
and
um.
thank
you.
chair.
thanks
everyone
for
your
participation,
today.
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E
E
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
that
we're
allowing
for
lots
of
different
viewpoints
and
identities
and
perspectives
in
our
meetings,,
because
we
think
it
it
does
lead
to
more
informed
decision
making.
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cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
information
on
the
website
about
what
we
call
our
productive,
atmospheres.,
vision.
um.,
and
you
can
take
a
look
at
that.
if
you're
interested
in
more
detail,
it'll
be
a
bit
specific
right
now
for
this
meeting..
So
there
are
a
number
of
rules
of
decorum
that
are
found
in
the
boulder
revised
code,.
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E
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
obscenities,,
racial
epithets,
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
the
meeting,
or
otherwise
makes
it
impossible
for
us
to
continue
in
the
moment
is
prohibited.
um!
and
we
also
ask,
please,
that
participants
identify
themselves
by
the
name.
They
are
commonly
known.
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E
E
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:.
I
want
to
point
out
that
there
was
no
pre-existing
list
for
signing
up
to
participate
today..
So
if
you're
here
today.
thank
you,
and
we
welcome
you
with
the
appropriate
time
to
raise
your
hand
and
let
the
chair
know
you'd
like
to
give
testimony
um,
and
on
your
screen,
you'll
see
a
couple
of
different
ways
to
do.
It.
E
E
E
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
to
to
to
get
the
hand
to
be
raised
next
to
your
name,
and
then
the
chairman.
um!.
E
E
E
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
um,
and
just
to
stress
again
that
the
public
participation
part
of
the
meeting
coming
up
is
a
chance
for
you
to
share
topics
outside
of
the
agenda.
um,.
There's
not
a
lot
of
time
in
this
format
for
significant
back
and
forth.,
but
we're
all
listening
and
appreciative
that
you're
sharing
and
a
council
member
me.
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E
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
okay?
oh,
sorry,
cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
lynn.
uh,,
you
can
go
ahead..
Can
you
show
the.
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E
cob,
vivian,
castro-wooldridge:
um,.
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
for
this
portion
of
the
public
participation
part
of
the
meeting,.
So
I
think
with
that
we
can
continue
with
the
meeting
over
to
you.
chair.
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A
Pb
john
gerstle:
for
a
new
restaurant
and
bar
located
inside
of
vintage
shop,
garage,
sale,
vintage,
so.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
you've
received
the
material
here.
It
describes
the
uh,,
the
item..
Does
anyone
have
questions
or
want
to
call
this
matter?
Up?.
A
A
Laura
kaplan:
yes,,
I
I
don't
want
to
call
it
up..
I
just
want
to
say
I
thought
this
proposal
was
very
exciting,
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
garage
sale,
vintage
opening
in
that
space
at
pearl
and
seventeenth
on
the
east
end
of
the
prostream
mall..
That's
going
to
be
a
really
wonderful
addition
to
our
community..
So
thank
you
to
everybody
who
worked
on
that
project
or
is
working
on
that
project.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right,,
we'll
move
into
our
public
hearing
item
tonight,
and
I
would
uh,
sarah,.
I
would
like
to
inform
my
my
fellow
board
members
of
some
of
how
we
intend
to
to
deal
with
this
tonight
in
an
effort
to
move
it
ahead
as
efficiently
and.
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A
Pb
john
gerstle:
joined
us
at
our
retreat
a
week
ago
in
an
effort
to
set
up
a
procedure
that
would
be
efficient,
and
and
make
everyone
happy
tonight,,
and
so
I
would.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
like
to
to
explain
it
how
we
propose
to
proceed
and
make
sure
that
this
makes
sense,
and
seems
reasonable
to
to
all
of
my
fellow
board
members
here.
uh,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
we,,
we'll
start
out
with
a
presentation
by
staff
that
will
be
fairly
detailed,
and
probably
go
a
bit
longer
than
our
normal
staff
presentations..
And
the
reason
for
that
is
that
this
is
a
a
pretty
complicated
and
detailed
matter
that
we'll
be
dealing
with.
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A
Pb
john
gerstle:
to
describe
the
individual's
opinion
on
any
issue
following
that:
we'll
have
the
public,
hearing,
and
thereafter
we'll
have
the
board
discussion,
and
during
that
discussion
is
the
time
when
it's
appropriate
for
board
members
to
make
their.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
and
thereafter
we
will,
address
each
change
in
each
issue
that
has
been
raised
separately
and
have
a
a
brief,
but
hopefully
coherent,
discussion.
uh,
on
that
specific
issue,
and
subsequently.
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H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
then
we
can
come
back
through
when
we
can
knock
off
the
ones
where
there's
no
questions
and
focus
on
the
ones
where
there
are,
and
begin
to
talk
about
um..
How
have
the
discussion
about
the
issues
that
have
been
put
on
the
table
and
begin
to
discuss
how
we
might
want
to
address
or
mitigate
those
issues
and
and
try
to.
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A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
I
checked
that,
too.,
pb
john
gerstle:,
okay,,
very
good.,
so
I'll
invite
staff
to
move
ahead
and
entertain
us
with
your
presentation.
great
thanks.
So
much.
uh:,
good
evening,
members
of
the
board.
lisa
hood,,
a
senior
planner
in
our
office
is
going
to
be
baking
staff
presentation
this
evening.
so.
I
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
you
all
have
seen
a
lot
of
these
background,
slides
many
times
by
now,,
but
I'll
go
through
it.
Just
briefly
for
the
other
attendees
of
this
meeting.,
so
the
use
table
and
standards
project
was
started
back
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen
phase..
One
was
adopted
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,
and
we
are
now
in
phase
two,
which
is
divided
into
three
different
modules
of
work..
So
we
had
module.
one
was
the
user
friendliness
focus
on
technical
changes,
the
functional
fixes
that
was
adopted
back
in
june.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
and
also
to
really
align
this
part
of
the
land
use
code
with
the
older
valley,
comprehensive
plan,
goals,,
policies,
and
objectives,,
and
really
look
to
where
there
might
be
gaps
between
what
they
use.
The
use
table
allows
and
what
the
community
has
said
that
they
desire
in
certain
parts
of
the
community.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
that's
kind
of
what
the
the
project
is.
this
slide
shows
what
the
project
is
not.,
so
this.
the
project
is
really
focused
just
on
the
use,
table
and
standards..
So
all
of
the
regulations
related
to
a
land
use,,
so
types
of
businesses,
housing,
types,
things
like
that..
It
does
not
include
a
reassessment
of
comprehensive
plan.,
and
so
what
we're
really
talking
about
is
what
are
the
best
ways
to
implement
those
conferences.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
of
plan
policies,,
not
kind
of
rehashing.,
whether
we
agree
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
policies.
Comprehensive
plans
are
the
result
of
many
years
of
conversation
with
the
community.
planning
board
elected
officials
to
come
to
those
adopted
policies..
So
the
focus
is
really
on..
What
changes
can
we
make
to
the
use
table
and
standards
to
align
with
that
adopted
policy.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
a
reminder
that
we've
come
before
you
with
this
project,
several
times.,
so
two
thousand
and
eighteen,
two
thousand
and
twenty.,
and
then
you
guys
have
seen
me
many
times
this
year.
Talking
about
the
different
modules
of
work,
and
most
recently
in
september,
we
have
the
matters
item
where
we
discussed
these
industrial
area.
Changes.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
back
in
two
thousand
and
twenty..
We
got
some
general
feedback
from
the
city
council
uh,
for
supporting
additional
uses,
such
as
residential
retail
and
restaurants.
In
light
industrial
areas,,
as
well
as
expressing
a
need
to
balance
the
protection
of
existing
industrial
uses
and
the
introduction
of
new
residential.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
when
we
went
back
in
august
of
this
year
to
city
council
to
discuss
this
project,
we
got
a
little
bit
more
targeted
feedback
on
the
potential
changes
and
city
council
at
that
time.
Supported
updating
standards
for
the
standards
for
residential
development
in
the
industrial
areas,,
specifically
eliminating
the
continuity
requirement
that
exists,
currently,
and
instead,,
basing
the
assessment
of
suitability
on
subcommittee
plan
and
comp
plan
guidance,.
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
reminder,,
also
that
this
work
continues
to
be
guided
by
the
wealth
of
work
that
was
done
by
the
planning
board
subcommittee
back
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen,
two
thousand
and
twenty
um!.
This
input
continues
to
guide
the
project..
They
did
a
really
deep
dive
line
by
line,
column
by
column
of
the
use
table
of
changes
that
would
better
align
the
code
with
the
comp,
plan.
and
so
you'll
see
that
the
feedback
that
was
given
then,
is
really
reflected
in
many
of
the
proposed
changes
tonight.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
we
narrowed
in
as
we
continued
work
on
this
project,
and
restarted
after
the
pandemic,,
and
we
had
the
virtual
questionnaire.
on
we
heard
boulder
that
was
open
from
late
august
through
mid
september
of
this
year..
I
did
go
over
this
with
our
matters
item
back
in
september.,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
pretty
briefly.
there
were
some..
We
did
keep
it
open
for
about
a.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
a
few
days
after.
uh,
we
have
met
with
you.
so.
um!,
there's
been
a
slight
change
in
the
numbers,,
but
nothing
no
big
changes
from
what
we
talked
about
last
time,,
so
I'll
just
go
quickly
through
that,.
Just
to
refresh
our
memories.
uh,,
we
got
ninety.
one
total
responses
to
the
questionnaire.
uh..
It
was
a
pretty
simple
questionnaire,
asked
people.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
it
was
a
little
bit
more
mixed
with
about
over
a
little
over
half
of
people
saying
they
agreed,
or
strongly
agreed
that
housing
should
be
allowed
fifteen
in
the
middle,
and
then
just
about
a
third
saying,
disagree
or
strongly
disagree.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
further.,
asking
uh,
just
elaborating
a
bit
on
that
housing
question..
If
housing
was
allowed
in
industrial
areas,,
how
should
the
city
determine
which
sites
are
appropriate.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we
heard
number
one
close
to
supporting
uses.,
then
transit
case
by
case
basis.
um..
We
talked
about
this
in
the
matters
item
last
month,,
so
I
don't
go
too
much
into
that.,
but
this
was
an
attachment
to
your
memo..
So
if
you
wanted
to
see
more
detail
that
is
available
there.
J
Lisa
houde,,
cob:
and
then..
You
may
remember
this
complex
chart
from
september.,
but
this
is
where
we
get
kind
of
through
out
in
twenty
five
different
types
of
businesses,
and
ask
people
what
they
thought
was
appropriate
in
industrial
areas..
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
kind
of
the
highest
ones
that
we
heard.
we're:
research
and
development,
warehouse,,
manufacturing,,
cabinetry,
shop,.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
artist,
workshops,
biotech
um.,
but
then
also
over
half
of
people
said
that
they'd
like
to
see
grocery
stores,
retail
stores,,
restaurants,
coffee
shop,,
some
of
the
uses
that
are
not
currently
allowed
in
the
industrial
areas.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
modules
of
work.,
so
we
have
both
our
planning
board
liaison
group,,
which
sarah
is
a
part
of
an
ml.
who
isn't
able
to
be
here.
Tonight,,
who
we've
been
meeting
with
about
every
other
month
to
discuss
more
detailed,,
have
more
detailed
conversations
about
these
changes,.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
we
also
have
a
use
table.
And
standards,
public
working
group.-
so
that's
a
group
of
about
twenty
different
people,
residents,
members
of
the
arts
and
business
communities
who
are
interested
in
the
work,
and
we've
been
meeting..
We
met
with
them
in
august
to
kind
of
talk
about
initial
guidance
for
this,
these
changes,,
and
then
we
met
with
them
early
this
month
to
present
the
proposed
changes,
and
really
talk
through
the
details
of
that.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
those
changes.
lisa,
houde,,
cob:
um!,
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
additional
public
engagement
for
module,
three,
and
then
also
doing,
continued
outreach..
As
the
adoption
process
of
this
ordinance
moves,
forward.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
meeting.
um,,
some
of
the
members
of
the
working
group
had
concerns
about
the
proposal
to
prohibit
residential
uses
in
the
is,,
and
I
am
zoning
districts,,
and
there
were
some
also
that
had
concerns
about
requiring
a
use
review
in
ig.,
suggesting
that
if
it's
supported
in
the
sub
community
plan,,
it
should
just
be
allowed
by
right..
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
related
to
offices..
Some
of
some
concerns
that
were
brought
up
were
related
to
the
requirement
prohibiting
office
uses
on
the
ground.
Floor,.
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
they're
also
attached
to
your
memo.
tonight.
There
was
additional
information
about
the
summary
of
those
meetings
as
well..
If
you
wanted
to
see
those.
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
so
we
have
the
three
areas.
we
have
gun
barrel.
Small
portion
of
north
folder
has
industrial
zoning,
and
then
the
east
boulder
area.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
since
we
met
with
you
back
in
september.,
we've
also
been
diving
into
the
data
about
what
the
existing
businesses
are
that
are
in
our
industrial
district.,
so
we
were
able
to
pull
from
the
north
american
industry
classification
system
codes.
The
makes
codes.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
some
more
information
about
what
types
of
businesses
are
there..
So
there's
a
lot
of
detailed
information
in
one
of
the
attachments
to
your
memo,,
but
just
wanted
to
highlight
what
kind
of
the
three
most
common
types
of
businesses
are.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
these
industrial
districts.,
so
professional,
scientific
and
technical
services
is
number
one.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
followed
by
manufacturing
and
then
wholesale
trade..
So
for
that
first
one.,
that's
kind
of
some
common
examples
would
be
computer,
systems,,
design,,
architectural
engineering,,
work,
research
and
development.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
manufacturing,
most
common,,
interestingly,,
electromagnetic
or
electromagnetical,
and
control
instruments,,
manufacturing
and
beverage
manufacturing.
yes,
that
does
include
breweries.,
um,
and
then
wholesale
trade,,
which
is
professional,
commercial,
equipment,,
durable
goods,
things
like
selling
bikes
and
things
like
that.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
policy
background.,
so
we've
talked
about
this
during
the
matters
item,.
As
I
mentioned,
the
purpose
of
this
module
and
the
use
table
project
is
to
better
align
the
use
table
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
for
this
module.
This
is
really
focused
on
policy.
two
point,
two,,
one,
which
is
related
to
industrial
areas,.
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
is
suggesting.
uh,.
These
were
some
initial
ideas
related
to
those
guiding
principles
in
terms
of
preserving
established
businesses.
there's.
Definitely
some
lack
of
clarity
in
the
code
on
current
on
small
scale,
manufacturing
and
arts
and
creative
uses.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
there
are
opportunities
to
allow
simpler
review
processes
for
some
desired
uses,
and
then
currently
residential
uses
are
allowed
in
is,
and
then
allowed
in
im,,
which
the.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
purposes
of
those
might
be
more
for
preserving
those
established
businesses
in
industrial
businesses;.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
residential
development
is
currently
guided
by
the
residential
development
standards
for
industrial
districts
through
a
use
review
which
essentially
establishes
eligibility
through
contiguity
to
either
residential
uses
or
open
space
and
parks,,
and
there's
a
minimum
watts
for
those,
and
also
going
back
again
to
residential
uses
being
allowed
in
is,.
And
I
am.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
personal
services.,
so
things
like
hair,
salons
and
bakeries
are
also
prohibited
in
all
industrial
districts.
finally,
mixed
use
buildings..
So
if
you
have
any
non
residential
uses
with
a
residential
use,,
it
has
to
go
straight
to
straight
site,
review,,
so
requiring
a
higher
level.
Review.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
those
are
some
of
the
initial
gaps.
and
in
our
conversations
taking
in
the
public
input,
that's
been
done
at
the
beginning
of
this
project
or
early
in
the
project,
and
then
most
recently,
as
well.
we've
now
come
forward
with
these
proposed
changes
in
ordinance.
eight,
five,,
five,,
six,.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
They
are
kind
of
disparate
issues,,
but
I
think
it's
helpful
to
hear
them
all
at
once,,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
through
all
of
them
before
we
get
to
the
clarifying
questions.
um,.
So
here
we
go.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
requirement
for
noise,
mitigation,
and
exemption
for
residential
floor
area,
and
then
also
a
requirement
for
owners
and
tenants
to
sign
a
declaration
of
use,,
which
is
a
legal
document
that
essentially
says
that
they
know
that
they
are
a
residential
use
in
an
industrial
zoning.
District.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
these
changes
staff
finds
the
result
would
be
that
housing
would
be
located
in
limited
areas
of
ig
zone
property,
where
it's
determined
appropriate
through
adopted
subcommittee
or
area
plan
policies
with
assurances
still
retained
for
potential
environmental
and
noise.
Impacts.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
wanted
to
explain
this
a
little
bit
further
related
to
the
subcommittee
plans
by
just
highlighting
what
those
land
use,
plans
and
maps
would
look
like
that
we'd
be
using
to
determine
the
appropriateness.
so,,
starting
with
the
most
recent
east
folder
subcommittee
plan
was
adopted
just
a
few
weeks.
Ago.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
with
the
proposal,
these
areas,,
I
added
the
kind
of
black
dash
line
just
to
bring
your
attention
to
those.,
but
those
areas
in
hatched
cache,
coloring
uh,.
Those
are
the
areas
that
are
identified
in
the
plan
as
appropriate
for
residential
uses..
So
that's
where,.
If
it
was
zoned,
ig.
a
parcel
would
be
eligible
to
develop
with
residential
uses,
and
there's
additional
guidance
in
the
plan
related
to
the
place,
types
and
things
like
that.
That
would
give
further
guidance.,
but.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
the
eastern
half
of
this
plan
is
industrial
zoning
currently,,
and
so
you
can
look
at
that
and
see
that
the
northern
edge
is
identified
as
oh,
I
office
industrial,
and
that
is
identified
in
the
plan
as
non
residential,.
So
that'd
be
an
area
where
residential
would
not
be
supported.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
uh,.
It
did
want
to
note
on
this
one
that
the
gun
barrel
plan
does
not
cover
all
of
the
industrial
zoning
and
gun
barrel,,
so
that
is
one
limitation.
um,
there.
The
majority
of
zoning
up
in
gun
barrel
is.-
I
am
so
with
the
proposal,,
for
I
am
to
have
prohibited,
or
for
residential
uses
to
be
prohibited..
That
would
not
really
impact
it.,
but
there
are..
There
is
a
little
bit
of
ig
zoning.
J
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!,
and
but
also
making
sure
that
we
establish
a
new
strategy
to
prevent
proliferation
of
offices
and
industrial
districts..
That's
something
we
heard
through
feedback
from
you
all,
and
also
city.
Council.-
so
the
idea
is
to
combine
professional
office
and
technical
office
into
a
more
general
office.
use.
Type,.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
there
would
be
a
limit
to
the
office
size
in
is
an
ims.
Five
thousand
square
feet.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.
we've
also
provided
some
additional
language..
It's
actually
very
similar
language
to
what
we
have
in
our
business
district,,
where
we
have
a
similar
regulation
that
provides
some
flexibility
for
existing
offices
and
office
spaces
to
be
able
to
make
minor
changes
swap
out.
tenants,
change
ownership.
Things
like
that
without
falling
into
a
nonconforming
change
of
use,
process.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
one
related
to
research
and
development..
So
the
proposal
in
the
ordinance
before
you
tonight
is
to
update
the
existing
use
type
called
medical
laboratory
to
include
more
types
of
research
and
development
and
rename
it
as
research
and
development.,
so
updating
the
definition
and
then
also
renaming
it.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
there
are
several
policies
that
support
research
and
development
in
industrial
areas.
in
our
comprehensive
plan..
It's
also
mentioned
in
the
stated
purpose
of
the
industrial
districts
in
the
land
use
code,.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
really
just
acknowledging
that
this
is
a
common
use,
and
making
sure
that
we
give
it
a
a
line
in
the
use
table,.
So
we
can
identify
it
like
that.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
the
definition..
We
provide
several
examples
of
research
and
development
types
that
it
could
be
so
industrial,,
biotech,,
life,,
sciences,
medical
instruments
or
supplies..
So
that
would
be
the
medical
lab
as
well
as
computer
hardware
electronics.,
and
the
idea
is
that
these
uses
need
to
be
engaging
in
product
or
process,,
divine
design,,
development,,
prototyping,
or
testing,.
J
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
there's
a
limited
size
in
the
is
district
to
preserve
that
in
that
that
service
industrial
space
and
limited
in
ims
to
promote,
promote
a
pedestrian
scale,.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
the
draft
ordinance
that's
a
maximum
of
two
thousand
square
feet
for
these
site.
these
uses,
and
also
says
that
they
must
be
in
a
building
with
industrial
office
or
residential
uses..
So
the
idea
with
that
is
that
these
uses
are
really
intended
to
be
serving,
existing
or
future
uses.
in
the
industrial
areas.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
related
to
restaurants..
We
heard
a
lot
of
public
input
support
for
additional
restaurants
in
the
industrial
areas.,
so
the
proposal
is
to
allow
this
use
by
right,
instead
of
requiring
the
conditional
use
process,
and
then
to
simplify
the
standards
associated
with
this
use.
uh,,
like
I
mentioned,
they're,
currently
not
allowed
on
major
streets.,
so
eliminating
those
kind
of
standards,,
however,
we'd
still
be
keeping
the
hours
of
operation
limitation.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
we're
also
similarly
proposing
that
restaurants
must
be
in
a
building
with
other
uses,,
so
that
these
aren't
kind
of
like
standalone
building
restaurants..
They
would
also
be
serving
the
other
uses
in
the
area.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,,
because
restaurants
were
a
highly
supported
use
in
the
discussions
we've
had
on
this
project..
We've
retained
the
option
for
a
user
view,
otherwise.
um.,
so
that
if
a
restaurant
did
want
to
be
in
a
standalone
building
or
extend
their
hours
of
operation,,
they
would
have
that
opportunity
through
user
view.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
alright,
moving
on
to
live
work
units..
So
that's
something.
We've
also
heard
a
lot
of
support
through
public
input,
related
to.
and
so
the
update.
The
proposal
is
to
update
the
definition
of
liver
e
units
to
include
commercial
uses.
right
now.
It.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
related
to
private
schools,,
which
I
mentioned
earlier.
J
J
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
in
it's
in
an
effort
to
simplify
the
process
for
these
business
owners.
um..
The
proposal
is
to
allow
small
facilities.,
so
those
that
are
under
five
thousand
square
feet
to
locate
in
industrial
areas.
Without
a
user
view,
larger
facilities
would
still
be
able
to
get
a
user
view
approval
or
apply
for
a
user
view.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
is,
and
ims
restrictions.,
and
for
the
most
part,
this
really
is
just
an
effort
to
of
simplification.,
but
it
does
make
one
substantive
change,
and
that
is,
that
in
the
is
district,
currently
a
brewery
runner.
your
distillery,.
If
it
wanted
to
be
larger
than
fifteen
thousand
square
feet,,
they
could
ask
for
a
user
view,
apply
for
a
user
view..
With
these
changes
they
would
no
longer
be
able
to
go
for
that
user.
View,,
so
it'd
be
capped
at
fifteen
thousand
square
feet,.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
finally,.
This
is
last
one..
These
are
kind
of
the
um,
not
specific
to
a
single
use,,
but
we've
also
made
several
updates
to
definitions
or
names
of
uses..
So
I
mentioned
that
we
talked
for
a
while
with
the
working
group
about
how
to
best
describe
art
or
craft
studio,,
and
so
the
proposal
is
to
update
that
to
art,,
studio
or
workshop,,
because
it
really
does.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
involve
some
craftsmanship,
trades
small
scale
manufacturing
so
trying
to
get
at
that,
and
then
some
updates
to
the
definition
to
um.
be
more
permissive
of
the
types
of
uses
that
these
are
the
types
of
activities
that
these
uses
are
engaging
in.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
related
to
manufacturing..
Right
now
we
have
manufacturing
uses
and
manufacturing
uses
with
potential
offsite
impacts.
it's
much
more
common
in
many
cities
to
have
kind
of
a
tier
of
manufacturing
uses
so
light,
medium,
heavy,,
or
something
like
that.
um..
So
we're
proposing
changes
to
those
definitions
and
names,
so
that
there
are
light
manufacturing,
and
general
manufacturing,,
which
can
better
explain.
J
lisa,
houde,,
cob:,
finally,,
there's
a
few
uses,
or
there's
one
use
for
proposing
to
remove..
That's
the
industrial
service
center,
and
that's
um..
Only
one
property
has
been
developed
under
that
use,
type.
and
really.
The
intent
of
that
was
to
provide
flexibility
in
the
industrial
areas
for
uses
like
retail
and
personal
services..
So
with
the
other
proposed
changes.
um,,
this
kind
of
use
type
industrial
service
center
would
no
longer
be
necessary.
J
J
C
C
Laura
kaplan:
so
um!.
My
understanding
is
that
those
hatched
areas
that
have
the
black
dash
lines
are
not
going
to
be
ig
zones
anymore,
that
they're
going
to
be
either
industrial,
mixed
use
or
mixed
use,
transit.
Oriented.
Development.-.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
so
I
I
I'm
not
understanding
how
the
changes
to
the
industrial
general
zone
would
impact
those
parcels.
C
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
that's
a
great
opportunity
to
clarify.
thanks
for
bringing
that
up..
So
there
are
additional
changes
that
will
need
to
be
made
to
the
east,
boulder
area.
and
so
we're
anticipating
future
rezoning,
potentially
for
form
based
codes.
other
things
that
would
have
have
to
be
put
into
place
to
fully
implement
the
plan..
So
this
is
really.
J
J
Laura
kaplan:
okay,
okay,
thank
you.,
that's
helpful.,
and
then
I
think
that
the
light
gray
areas
that
are
not
in
black.
those
are
meant
to
remain.
Ig:
zones.
is
that
is
that
right?
right?,
so
yeah,
I
should
have
mentioned
that..
So
the
areas
that
are
not
circled
by
my
little
cache
line..
Those
are
not..
Those
are
outside
of
the
areas
of
change.,
so
there's
not
anticipated
rezoning
or
any
changes
to
those
areas.,
so
they
okay,
whatever
it's
the
district.
They
are
now.
C
C
Lisa
houde,
cob:
would
they
permit
housing
in
those
light
gray
blocks,,
even
though
those
are
outside
of
the
areas
of
changed
call.
for
in
the
subcommunity
plan.
no,,
they
would.,
they
would
not.
so
because
they
aren't
identified
as
areas
of
change,
makes
use
industrial
or
mixed
use
to
od.,
where
it
says
that
residential
would
be
appropriate,,
then
it
would
not
be
supported.
To,
request
that
use
review
in
those
areas.
H
H
pb,
sarah
silver:,
what
pb,
sarah
silver:?
What
about?
How
do
you
deal
with
conflicting
guidance?,
particularly
in
the
that
phase?
two.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,
sarah
silver:
guidance,
pb,,
sarah
silver:
from
from
the
use
table,
revisions,
you're,
proposing,
and
the
sort
of
land
you,
the
generic
land
use
converse
where,
where
they
are
right
now,
with
the
land
use
in
the
t.
v.
two.,
how
does
this
process?.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um!.
What
is??
What
has
the
priority??
I
mean?,
I
guess
I'm.,
I'm
a
little
confused.
um!.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
work
through
those
conflicts?.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
so
in
the
meantime,,
so
that
guidance
that
you're
referencing
in
the
plan
talks
about
future
rezoning..
This
actually
gets
kind
of
similarly
to
laura's
question..
So
it
applies
while
these
are.
ig:.
If
there's
additional
rezoning
that
happen,
or
it
it
changes
to
a
completely
different
zone.
um,,
then
this
wouldn't
apply,,
because
it's
only
related
to
when
when
properties
are
ig.,
so
there
might
be
something
that
is
identified.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
for
residential
that
isn't.
ig.,
so
I,
for
instance,
with
the
transit
village
area
plan..
A
lot
of
that
southern
portion
is,
is
so
we're
proposing
that
residential
would
only
even
though
the
im
you
two
land,
use.
designation,
says
that
residential
might
be
appropriate
because
it's
not.
ig.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
it
wouldn't
have
that
ability
to
go
for
residential
with
a
use.
review.
H
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
given
the
tentative.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
area
plan
that
is
reflected
here.,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand.
H
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
disconnect
is
the
difference
between
like
what
a
land
use,
designation,
is,
and
what
a
zoning
district
is..
So
a
plan.
t
app
was
adopted
fifteen
years
ago,
and
has
had
these
land
use
setting
nations
in
place.,
but
the
zoning
is
really
what
regulates
that
land.
and
so
until
something
is
changed
to
that
zoning
and
those
regulations
um,.
These
are
the
what's
adopted
in
the
plan,
is
guidance
for
the
future.
and
so.
J
H
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
this
first
step
is,
is
it?
ig.
zoning?.
If
not,,
then
you
can't
go
through
the
user
view
process
for
residential..
If
it
is,,
then
you
go
and
you
check
the
the
area
plan
or
subcommittee
plan..
If
it
says
that
residentials
anticipated
for
your
area,
and
you
have
ig
zoning,,
then
you
can
submit
for
the
user
view.
So.
K
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay.
so
for
the
is
portion
I'm:,
I'm
sorry,
mark,,
to
keep
that.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
for
the
is
portion
of
t
that
two,
it's
the
is,
that
has
precedence
or
precedence.
H
B
B
B
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
I
don't
have
the
acreage
or
anything
like
that.,
but
I
can
tell
you
it's
the
southern
that
south
eastern
portion
of
gun
barrel..
So
if
you
know
where
avery
is,,
it's
that
industrial
park
area.,
so
that's
and
then
west
of
that
is
mostly
I
am.,
so
it
wouldn't
be
impacted,
or
because
we're
proposing
to
prohibit
residential
uses..
But
the
that
ig.
area
kind
of
around
avery
is
the
one
that
would
not
fall
into
the
gun
barrel.
Plan,
and
is,
ig:.
B
H
H
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
emissions
and
things
like
that.,
any
trout,
there's
no
travel
between
live
and
work.
Uh.,
there's
several
mentions
of
live
work
as
an
alternative,
housing
type,
and
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
a
diverse
range
of
housing
types
throughout
the
city..
So
just
adding
another
type
of
housing
is
supported
in
several
parts
of
the
both
the
comprehensive
plan
and
many
of
these
subcommittee
plans.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
so
that's
the
policy
guidance
behind
making
these
more
permissive..
It's
also
something
we've
asked
uh,
in
almost
every
round
of
public
engagement
for
this
project,
and
received
a
lot
of
support
for
it's
something
that
the
planning
board
subcommittee,
also
guided
us
to
do
was
to
expand
flip
work
units,
as
well
as
the
city
council
and
previous
discussions
with
the
planning
board..
So
that's
where
the
proposal
to
expand
and
allow
these
in
more
areas
of
the
city
came
from,,
as
well
as
the
policy
guidance.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
so
the
new
definition
of
live
work
includes
commercial
purposes
as
well
as
the
industrial
uses
allowed
in
the
industrial
zone,
where
the
dwelling
unit,
the
dwelling
type,
could
be
built..
What
is
what
is
a
commercial
purpose
like..
Is
that
me
sitting
at
my
desk
writing
memos
to
my
boss?,
or
is
that
making??
What
is
that?.
H
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah.,
so
the
way
that
we
reorganize
the
use
table
in
module.
one
is
that
we
have
the
land
use,
categories.
um.,
so
we
have
like
residential,
and
then
we
have.
uh,.
Maybe
that's
about
an
example,.
So
commercial
is
one
of
the
overarching
categories,
and
then
we
have
the
subtype,.
The
subcategories.
J
J
H
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
that's
a
great
question.,
so
home
occupation
has
to
be
an
accessory
use.,
so
it
has
to
be
subordinate
to
the
main
residential
use..
Live
work
can
be
simultaneously,,
you
know
they're
both
principal
uses.,
so
home
occupation..
We
also
have
standards
related
to
home.
Occupation,
and
people
have
to
comply
by
that
and
get
a
business
license
for
that..
So
obviously
it's
gotten
a
little
more
complex
with
everyone
working
from
home.,
but
it's
really
more,
like
you're
running
a
business
out
of
your
um,,
your
home,
for
that
home
occupation..
J
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,,
sarah
silver:
a.
the
live
work,
requirements?.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
so
those
specific
use
standards
have
like
that..
The
owner
has
to
also
be
working
in
the
work,
or
has
to
also
be
the
proprietor
of
the
work..
I
forget
the
exact
language,,
but
something
like
that..
So
there's
specific..
You
standards
that
if
they're
out
of
compliance.,
we
could
enforce
that
um,
also,
in
areas
like
the
is
district,
where
no
we're
proposing
that
no
other
residential
use
would
be
allowed.
If
there's
no
work
function,
then
now
you're
a
prohibited
resident,.
J
H
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
a
declaration,
of,
user
or
disposition
related
to
that
approval..
So
um,
there
could
be
a
little
bit.
More.
um,.
J
B
B
B
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
it's
a
question
whether
or
not
residential
is
allowed,.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
zones
are
don't
have
support
for
changing
the
land.
use
um.,
so
those
are
outside
of
the
areas
of
change..
So
if
there's
ig
zoning
in
like,
say,
that
bottom
left
corner,,
if
there's
ig.
zoning.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
this
land
use
map
should
clearly
tell
you
that
residential
is
not
something
that
the
plan
is
envisioning
for
this
area,,
and
so
you
could
not
get
a
user
view
or
apply
for
a
user
view
for
residential.
however,.
In
those
cross
hash
areas,
there
is
land,
use,
guidance
that
says
residential
uses
either
are
appropriate
as
the
principal
use,
or
as
supporting
use.,
and
so
in
those
areas
with
the
hatching,.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
that's
where,,
ig:
parcel
would
be
able
to
go
for
a
residential
user
user
view.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
doesn't
it..
I
I
can't
go
to
use
review
at
all..
It's
prohibited.
B
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
okay,,
correct,
and
it's.,
I'm
similar
to
the
contiguity
requirement
that
we
have
now.
It
says
that
part
that
parcels
in
ig.
and
I
am-
would
be
able
to
develop
under
residential
uses..
But
if
you
don't
have
the
contiguity,,
you
can't
develop
residential
uses..
So
in
that
way.
it's
a
bit
of
a
similar
approach.,
but
the
proposal
here
is
to
try
to
tie
it
more
with
the
subcommittee
planning
where
there's
been,
you
know,
many
years
of
conversations
about
where
residential
might
be
appropriate.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
the
way
it's
the
way
you've
structured
it.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
now
is
two
to
two
proscriptive.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
for
not
allowing
residential
in.
ig.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
The
concerns
we
heard
from
the
working
group
were
that
the
prohibition
in
is,
and
I
am.
that
proposal
was,,
and
this
was
only
from
a
few
members
of
the
working
group..
We
also
heard
the
opposite,,
but
a
few
of
the
people
said
that
that
was
too
restrictive
to
prohibit,,
because
currently
there
is
the
option
to
develop
residential
and
is,,
and
I
am,
we
didn't
hear
um.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
well,.
We
did
here
that
from
a
few
people
that
if
it's
covered
in
ig.
in
a
subcommittee
plan
in
the
the
right
part
of
that
subcommittee
plan
that
says
it's
supported
for
residential.,
there
were
a
few
people
that
said,.
Why
should
that
still
be
a
user
view??
Maybe
it
should
just
be
by
right.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
you
know
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan..
The
way
that
it's
laid
out
is
going
to
result
in
about
five
thousand
new
units
of
housing
in
these
areas
of
change.
um!,
and
it
is
a
trade
off.
It
won't
be
a
scatter
shot..
It
won't
be
all
throughout
the
areas.,
but
the
trade
off
was
that
some
of
these
areas
would
be
preserved
for
industrial,
and
that
they
were
not
considered
to
be
as
appropriate
for
housing,.
C
Laura
kaplan:
well,,
I'm
not
going
to
say
what
I
support
or
don't
support.,
but
I
think
that's
the
logic
behind
saying.
The
residential
should
only
be
in
the
areas
of
change
as
defined
by
the
sub
community
plan,,
because
that's
where
it's
really
supposed
to
be
concentrated,
and
it
helps
with
those
fifteen
minute
neighborhoods.
and
you
still
get
the
preservation
of
industrial,,
even
though
you're
adding
so
much
more
housing..
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
thank
you,
laura.
uh:.
I
have
a
real
quick,
follow
up
question
for
staff.
uh:
regarding
the
live
work,
arrangements.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
how
does
one
actually
define
the
work?
Does
it
have??
If,
if
somebody
has
a
a
live
work
unit
and
just
and
sets
up
a
lay,,
then.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
just
as
a
hobby,
starts
turning
out
bowls,
and
so
on.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
is
under
under
the
proposed
rules..
Is
that
a
legitimate
work
use
of
that
space,
or
does
it
have
to
be
a
a
tax
tax,
paying
commercial
operation
that
is
required
to
be
in
that
space.?.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
they're
using
their
blade,
for
that
would
be
an
art.
what's
currently
auto
craft
studio
proposed
to
be
our
or
our
studio,
workshop.
um.,
so
those
kind
of
woodworking
shops
would
be
what
fall
under
that
use,.
So
that
could
be
the
work
function,
and
that
would
be
a
commercial
use
in
the
use.
Table.
A
J
J
J
Cob,
karl
guiler:
has
any.
input.
I
mean,
we
typically
don't
have
language
in
the
land
use
code
requiring
a
business
license,.
I
think.
just
if
they
meet
the
the
terms
of
work,
of
needing
to
operate
under
a
business
license,.
They
just
have
to
get
a
business,
license.
um,,
there's
a
lot
of
uses
in
the
code,
or
they
have
to
get
a
business
license,.
So
I
think
they
would
have
to
know
that
what
they're
doing
is
something
that
rises
to
that
level
in
order
to
operate.
Legally.
K
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
yeah,,
there's
actually
a
separate
section
of
the
code
outside
of
title
mine
that
requires
business
licenses,,
so
I
think
we'd
be
covered.
There,.
A
A
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
on.
uh,.
I
did
not
see
the
new
packet
until
too
late
to
go
through
it.,
so
on
the
previous
packet.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
page
forty-four
of
two
hundred
and
twenty-four.
there's
a
paragraph
about
residential
allowances
that
reads.
The
proposed
draft
removes
the
requirement
for
site.
review..
If
a
project
is
mixed,
use,
as
well
as
most
of
the
unique
bulk
and
density,
standards
and
modification
standards.
H
H
H
H
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!
they're
very
minorly,
different
from
what
the
standard
requirements
are
for
any
kind
of
development
in
industrial.,
so
to
simplify
in
an
effort
to
simplify.
um,.
That's
where
we're
getting
rid
of
those
unique
standards
and
having
just
the
commonly
applicable
bulk.
faire
standards,
things
like
that
apply
to
non
residential
uses..
There
is
an
exemption
for
residential
uses
that
goes
back
to
the
jobs,
housing
balance
policy
discussion
where
the
far
is
quite
limited
in
the
industrial
districts
in
an.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!.
You
would
not
have
to
go
through
site
review
otherwise.,
but
if
you
added
any
non
residential
use
under
the
current
code,
you'd
be
kicked
into
site
review,,
which
is
a
much
lot
larger
process.,
and
so
that's
really
a
inhibitor
to
a
mix
of
uses
offering
a
mix
of
uses
like
the
policy
say
so..
The
idea
is
to
get
rid
of
that
site.
review
requirement..
Once
you
mix
the
uses,
and
instead
rely
on
the
general
threshold
for
industrial
districts,.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
to
do
industrial,
this
industrial
site
review
require
things
like.
H
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
still
our
underlying
intensity
standards,,
which
is
chapter
eight
of
the
land,
use
code,
our
form
in
bulk
standards,,
which
is
chapter
seven.
That
still
applies
to
all
of
these..
So
it's
not
exempting
residential.
J
J
H
Pb,,
sarah
silver::
how
did
you
come
up
with
the
fifty
thousand
square
foot,
I'm
looking
at
my
notes,,
so
I'm
reading
what
I
wrote
down
correctly.
so
in
the
office
office.
H
H
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
combined
floor
area
of
those
might
be.,
and
so
fifty
thousand
seemed
like
a
limit
that
would
be
able
to
capture
the
existing
office
spaces
that
we
have,,
because
technical
offices
are
currently
allowed..
So
the
concern
was
that
um,,
even
though
the
the
intent
is
to
limit
offices.,
there's
still
a
concern
to
um,,
not
create
a
ton
of
nonconformities
by
making
these
changes..
So
the
fifty
thousand
was
an
attempt
to
capture.
What's
existing.
J
J
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
the
thing
to
point
out
here
is
that
in
the
commercial
zones
the
twenty
thousand
can
be
exceeded
if
they
have
permanently
affordable
housing
on
them,
or
if
they
get
a
use
review.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
approval.,
but
in
the
effort
of
really
trying
to,,
you
know.
put
the
right
bargrails
in
for
office
in
the
industrial
zones.
um..
That
ordinance
does
not
include
a
use
review
option
for
exceeding
that
fifty
thousand
square
feet.
K
A
pb
john
gerstle:.
I
don't
see
any
of
their
hands
up..
I
I
have
a
following
up
on
something
that
sarah
was
inquiring.
About..
Can
you
summarize,
uh,
to
say
that
any
residential
space
that
is
developed
in
ig.
area.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
that
it
would
have
the
same
requirements
as
residential
space
developed
anywhere
else
in
the
city.,
with
respect
to
um,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
say,
the
amenities
of
living
there
in
terms
of
open
space,
in
terms
of
parking
in
terms
of
other
aspects
of
residential
life.
A
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
it's
not,,
carl.
I'm.,
going
to
say
he
probably
wants
to
answer
that.
One.
yeah,
I
mean
the
the
chapter.
Nine
nine
of
the
land
use
code
is
our
development
standards..
So
that's
for
all
the
requirements
for
open,
space.,
landscaping,,
parking,,
all
apply,,
and
it
all
applies
you
to.
K
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
I'm
not
sure
pb
john
gerstle:,
who
uh,
who's
going
to
organize
that,
amanda
or
I
can..
I
can
facilitate
it.
E
E
E
E
L
Kelsey
hunter:
great
um.,
good
evening,,
everyone.
good
evening
planning
board
members..
My
name
is
kelsey
hunter.
I'm.,
director
of
development
for
biology
here
in
boulder
um.,
we're
new
to
boulder,
and
we're
very
excited
to
add
value
to
this
community
through
our
assets.
um!
that
we
currently
have
at
flatter
in
park.
um,,
and
we
definitely
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
out.
Tonight.
L
Kelsey
hunter:
by
my
ability,
is
working
hard
to
meet
the
growing
demand
of
the
life
sciences,
industry.
we're
um,
we're
a
provider
of
real
estate,
solutions
that
allow
our
life,
science
tennis
to
perform,
perform
innovative
research,
and,
on
behalf
of
the
research
and
development
community
and
our
customers.
we'd
like
to
thank
you
for
advancing
the
discussion
on
these
use.
Types.
L
L
Kelsey
hunter:
in
addition,.
We
also
understand
that
parts
of
the
draft
ordinance
are
proposed
to
implement
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
the
ordinance
will
allow
new
amenities
that
will
benefit
flat
on
park.
Tenants
and
employees,,
including
restaurants,,
gym,
facilities,,
retail,
and
other
amenities
that
were
shown
during
the
presentation.
L
L
Kelsey
hunter:
um.
in
fact,
because
of
these
proposed
proposed
code,
changes.
um,.
We
at
bio
mobility,
are
looking
at
opportunities
to
add
these
amenities
into
our
programming.
at
flyer
and
park.
We're
looking
to
use
those
amenities
to
benefit
employees
as
well
as
all
the
neighboring
community,
members.
L
Kelsey
hunter:
um,,
as
we
continue
to
to
to
digest
the
ordinance
recently
published
last
week,
and
for
my
understanding
on
the
impact,.
We
do
appreciate
the
ongoing
dialogue
and
engagement,
we're
looking
forward
to
additional
discussions
and
clarifications.,
but
for
now
just
wanted
to
say,.
Thank
you
for
your
time,
and
allowing
us
to
voice
our
feedback.
E
A
M
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
no,
thanks
a
lot.
thanks
for
that
reminder.,
um.
and
yeah,.
Just
a
couple
more
popped,
up.
so..
Next
up
we
have
justin
hartman.,
so
you
have
three
minutes.
uh,.
Please
go
ahead,
justin.
N
Justin
hartman:
well,,
not
obviously.,
I'm
with
ozo
coffee
uh,.
Just
in
case
you
know,
that,
or
don't
know,
that.
and
so
we're
gonna,
be
impacted
by
the
east,
boulder
ordinance
changes
and.
N
Justin
hartman:
a
couple
of
things
come
up
with
around
the
idea
of
the
residential.
N
Justin
hartman:
as
someone
who's
a
a
renty
or
someone
who
leases
property
here
in
folder.
um.,
as
as
you
might
know,
we're
subject
to
property
taxes
for
those
buildings
within
our
within
our.
N
N
N
N
N
Justin
hartman:,
that's
something
that
we
we
like
to
say.
We
didn't
have
that
several
years,
ago.
so,
having
affordable
housing
is
important.
um,,
not
just
pent
houses
in
industrial
zones.,
um,.
N
Justin
hartman:,
so
that's
thanks
for
my
that.
That's
all
I
have
for
my
time,,
but
just
wanted
to
express
that.
F
F
F
F
F
lynn
segal:!
Is
that
what
we
want
for
this
town,
lynn,
segal:,
you
know,
and
lynn
segal:.
I
heard
the
east
boulder
subcommittee,
people
talking
about
how
they
didn't
want
to
live,
be
part
of
an
industrial
center..
They
didn't
want
to
be
around
an
airport,
that's
noisy,
and
with
toxic
fumes,,
and
I
think
you
should
have
use
review
for
the
health
sciences
for
biological
waste.
F
A
pb
john
gerstle:.
I
think
we'll
take
ten
minutes
before
we
begin
our.
A
pb
john
gerstle:,
so
see
you
at
seven
hundred
and
forty-four.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
sarah,,
you
got
your
your
chart
in
front
of
you.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
oh,
and
lisa,.
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
you
joined
us.
D
A
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
you
know,
john,,
the
one
thing
we
did
not
make
space
for
was
answering
that
first
question
about
the
bbc.
policies,
and
whether
we.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
felt
it
implemented
adopted
policies.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
these
proposals
are
appropriate
and
based
on
older
valley,
comp,
plan;
and
secondly,.
What
changes
we
think
are
appropriate.
uh.
A
G
J
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
first
of
all,
everybody's
opinion
on
whether
this
is
all
in
in
line
with
the
boulder
valley
comp
plan
with
them.
secondly,,
we'll
go
through
each
of
these
issues
to
see.
If
anybody
and
we'll
ask
at
each
one
of
them.
A
A
A
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um!,
so
I
would
say
it
does,
and
I
would
like
to
propose.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
um,
adding,
um,,
seven
dot,
o
six
and
seven
dot,
o
nine
to
the
list
that
are
at
least
in
the
packet
that
gets
into
city.
Council.-.
H
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
who
was
talking
about
density
and
um.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:.
I
thought
it
raised
a
question
for
me
that
we've
talked
about
before,
or
talked
about
in
previous
iterations
of
planning
board
about
the
need
for
the
city
to
update
it's
in
commuter
and
missing
middle
housing
surveys..
So
we
actually.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
suggest
or
offer
up
some
sort
of
motion,
separate,
motion,
or
friendly,
calling
the
urging
city
council
to
ask
the
city
to
update
the
missing
middle
and
in
commuter
housing
choice.
Surveys.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
in
the
terms
of
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
our
recommendation
or
not.
B
H
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
sarah.,
I
was
just
gonna
jump
in
and
bring
up
if
the
the
site
review
update.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
that
we're
currently
working
on,
and
we'll
be
returning
to
planning
board
just
a
a
reminder
that
we
did
add.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
a
site
review
criterion
that
related
to
housing
types
like
minimum
types
of
housing,,
so
obviously
just
having
that
in
the
equation,,
for
if
a
project
comes
in,,
it
qualifies
for
site,
review,
and
if
it's
over
a
certain
size,
there
would
be,.
If
those
site,
review
criteria
are
adopted,
would
have
a
housing
types.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
minimum
requirement
for
projects
so
just
factoring
that
into
the
discussion
as
well,.
H
H
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
criteria
that
you've
updated.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
the
proposal.
uh,
right
now,
is
that
anything
under
five
acres
would
be
one
housing,
type?
um,,
one
of
the
question,
or
one
of
the
comments
that
came
up
in
our
last
discussion
with
the
board
was
that
if
such
a
project
were
all
el
use,,
then
there
would
have
to
be
two
housing
types..
So
we
are
proposing
that.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
I
did
add,
because
you
mentioned
those
policies
in
our
matters
items..
So
I
added
those
to
the
project
charter
list
of
policies.,
but
there's
also
the
part
of
the
memo
that
talks
about
specific
policies.
is
that
where
you'd
want
to
see
it,
or
is
it
if
it's
in
the
charter?
is
that
submission?.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,
sarah
silver:
um!,
I
apologize..
I
was
trying
to
go
back
to
my
notes
from
the
earlier
in
today's
tonight's
conversation
under,,
because
what.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
I'm
trying
to
find
the
the
minimum.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
the
site
review
minimum
is
going
to
be
two
acres..
Is
that
correct.
yeah,
actually,
this
five
acres
or
one
hundred
thousand
square
feet.?
I
double
check
that
during
our
break.
okay,,
so
it's
five
acres
or
one
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
and
the
site
review
criteria,.
One
hundred.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
of
the
various.
A
A
C
C
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
no,
I'm.,
I'm
still
using
the
hard
cover
of
the
boulder
valley,
comp
plan.,
so
I'm
referring
to
what's
in
the
hard
cover.,
but
it
would
be
mixture
of
housing,
types
and
housing
for
full
range
of
households,,
whatever
those
numbers
are.
now.
I'm:,
so
sorry.,
okay,,
sorry.,
sorry.,
um.
C
C
Laura
kaplan:
well,,
looking
at
the
midterm
update,,
it
looks
like
it's
seven
point:
zero,,
seven,
mixture
of
housing,
types
and
seven
dot.
Ten
is
housing
for
a
full
range
of
households,.
So
I
think
we
should
get
the
numbers
right
if
we're
going
by
the
two
thousand
and
twenty
mid,
your
update
not
to
be
pedantic,,
but
I
think
it
it
might
matter.
it's
important
for
yeah,.
C
C
C
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
clarification
is
that
it
wouldn't
impact
anything
in
the
ordinance..
It
would
just
be
something
that's
in
the
memo
that
goes
forward
to
city
council
as
relevant
conference
at
plan
policies
related
to
this
change.
C
C
H
H
H
C
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
it
depends
the
memo
I
mean,
depending
on
what
your
recommendation
is
tonight.
the
memo
could
change
very
drastically
from
whatever
the
decision
is
so,
or
the
memo
could
be
quite
similar
to
what
you've
seen
tonight..
So
it
would
just
impact
kind
of
the
analysis,
that's
done
in
the
memo,
and
maybe
would
touch
more
on
those
those
policies.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
what
pb
mark
mcintyre:
with
and
without
additional,,
without
any
change
to
the
ordinance.
um,.
Then
I
don't.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
then
I
I
then,
let's
edit
the
ordinance.
but
if,
in
fact,.
We
don't
really
have
the
stomach,
where,
with
all.
We
think
the
ordinance
is
just
fine,.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
then
I'm
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
doing.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
this
is
important
to
be
considered
in
context,
and
for
me,
these
two
goals
of
the
boulder
valley,
comp
plan.
A
D
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
of
those
two
sections
that
you're
talking
about?.
I
know
you
read
them
into
the
record,,
but
I'd
love
to
visually,
see
them..
Maybe
you
could
send
them
to.
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
they're
gonna
come
from
the
hard
back
of
the
uh.
okay,
sorry..
Sorry
for
asking
your
time..
I
I
just
like
to
get
my
eyes
on
them,
because
we've
been
talking
about.
I'm:,
I'm
happy
to
cut
and
paste
into
an
email
and
send
it
immediately.
is
that
okay?
I'm:
I'm.
not
sure
that
using
emails
to
each
other
is
no,
not
to
each
other
to
staff.,
and
then
I
want
to
have
to
put
it
up
on
the
screen.
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
one
hundred
and
forty-six.
H
C
H
H
H
H
D
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
where,
where
I'm
at
as
a
planning
board
member,
is
sarah.,
I've
heard
your
point..
I
thank
you.
I've.
I've
heard
from
laura
for
her.
I'd
like
to
start
hearing
from
other
folks
and
kind
of
how
they're
feeling
about
it.
um,,
where
I'm
at
is
reading
through
these.
um,.
You
know
for
me,
this
sort
of
gets
at
that
missing
middle.
D
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
doesn't.
apply
as
much
as
me
to
wish
it
might.
um,,
but
I
actually
like
that.
we're
calling
it
out,
because
this
is
exactly
who
can't
work,
you
know,
can
no
longer
get
housing
at
ozo,
who
is
moving
out
of
boulder,
so
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
closing
elementary
schools,.
You
know.
um,.
D
D
D
A
C
Laura
kaplan:
housing
for
singles,
couples,
families
with
children
and
other
dependents,
extended
families,,
nontraditional,
households
and
seniors
in
every
single
part
of
the
city,,
and
I
don't
know
if
I
would.
C
Laura
kaplan:
be
super
in
favor
of
saying,
hey,.
We
should
have
senior
housing
in
industrial
zones
in
particular,
right?.
It's
not
that
I'm
against
it.,
I'm
just
saying
I
don't
want
it
to
be
a
requirement,
or
to
be
implied
to
be
a
requirement
that
there
you
know
we
are
all
in
favor
of
how's
having,
you
know.
um,,.
C
C
Laura
kaplan:,
I
just
don't
know
that
these
particular
policies
they
apply.
citywide.,
the
boulder
valley
comp
plan
is
broader
even
than
the
city
itself,,
and
I
don't
think
it
has
to
apply
to
every
single
sector
within
the
city.
that
that's
all
I'm
saying
so.,
I'm
not
sure
the
need
to
call
this
out,
in
particular
for
an
organ
that
is
specifically
about
industrial
areas..
O
O
O
B
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
You
would
want
to
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
Take
a
note,
seven
point:
ten,
seven,
point
zero,
seven,
and
add
them
to
pdf.
page,,
the
the
packet
page,
fifty-five
tool,
page
twenty,,
one
of
the
memo,
and
insert
those
two.
B
B
B
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
so,
laura,.
Are
you
preparing
to
make
a
comment
or.
C
H
D
D
D
D
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
everyone
who
agrees
with
sarah's
suggestion.
A
B
pb,
mark
mcintyre:,
uh,
and
and
to
laura's
point
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
We
need
to
adopt
seven
oh,,
seven,
everywhere.,
and
so,
if
we
adopt
it
tonight.
uh,
in
the
memo
going
to
council,
then.
it
it.,
it
gives
us
further
ability
to
adopt
it
everywhere.
C
H
C
D
D
C
Laura
kaplan::
are
you
asking
me?
yes,
the
two
folks
who
are
either
sideways
or
down?
no,?
I?
I
don't
think
these
need
to
be
included.,
I'm
a
down,
and
not
because
I
don't
love
these
policies..
I
just
think
they
already
apply
across
the
city,
and
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
specifically
include
them
in
this
particular
ordinance..
D
J
C
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
so
pb
john
gerstle:
lisa,
can
you?
okay,
you're
putting
up
the.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay.
pb
john
gerstle:,
are
there
any
other
pb
john
gerstle:
concerns
of
with
respect
to
the
big
picture
of
boulder
valley,
comp
plan?.
A
A
B
C
Pb
john
gerstle:
mora,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
am
also
for
them..
I
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
staff
heard
our
feedback
last
time
about
using
the
set
adopted
sub
community
and
area
plans
as
as
guidance,,
and
I
appreciated
that,,
and
I
like
the
way
it
was
done.
and
I
I
think
that
the
way
it
stands
now,
I'm
supportive.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
oops!
pb
john
gerstle:,
there's
going
to
be
some
dog
car
that
noise
here.
C
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
pb,,
jorge
boone:
lynn,
lynn,
brought
up
something.
um,.
I
thought,
was
interesting
in
public
comment,,
which
was
about
thrift
shops.
so
that
do
they
do..
They
have
a
do..
They
have
a
function
in
in
this.
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:
at
all?,
lisa
houde,,
cob:
yeah,,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that.
um.,
so
drift
stores
would
be
a
retail
store
same
with
mining
jurors,
like
art
supply,
stores.
um..
So
the
the
proposal
is
to
allow
retail
retail
stores
and
industrial
areas
where
they're,
currently
prohibited.
so
thrust
stores
the
there
would
be
a
size
limits,.
So
they'd
have
to
be
small
under
two
thousand
square
feet.,
but
yes,.
They
would
now
be
allowed
in
these
areas.
H
H
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
john,,
I
I
wonder.
and
again
I
have
mixed
feelings
about
our
instructor
facilitators
use
of
negative
polling.
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right.,
so
let's
do
a
funds
on
the
offices..
Are
we
all
in
happy
with
what's
being
proposed.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
under
four
b
industrial
python,
general.
B
B
B
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
how
to
any
concerns
on
on
the
research
and
development
uses.
C
H
H
H
H
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
across.,
I
mean,,
I
think
the
way
they
are
in
the
use
table.
It's
allowed,
every
it's
expanded,,
the
the
allowances
are
expanded.,
so
maybe
it's
just
in
the
industrial.
H
C
Laura
kaplan:-
I
guess
I
I
just
have
a
question
like
my
assumption-
is
that
I
live
work.
Unit.,
there's
something
about
the
build
that
enables
the
work
function..
It's
not
just.
I.
I
have
a
townhouse,
and
I
sit
at
my
computer
and
just
like
any
other
house.,
but
there's
something
different
about
the
build
out..
There's
a
commercial
kitchen,
or
there's
a
workshop,
or
there's
a
you
know
something
about.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
that's
kind
of
getting
back
to
the
differentiation
between
what
a
home
occupation
would
be,
and
what
a
live
work
unit!
and
it
is
that
there
would
be
some
kind
of
form
that
makes
the
work
unit
a
principal
use
as
well..
So
it's
not
necessarily
smaller
than
the
residential
use.
um,
typically,.
We
would
see
this
or
how
we've
seen
it
develop
in
boulder,
so
far
as
like
a
ground,
floor,,
gallery,
or
studio,
or
something,,
and
then
above
would
be
residential,
as
it's
written.
Now
there
aren't
specific
forum
standards,,
but
that's
something..
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
if
that's
something
we
want
to
um,.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
add
to
the
standards
for
live
work
or
the
definition
makes
more
sense,
and
then
standards..
But
we
could
add
in
some
more.
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
descriptions
or
standards,
for
how
that
form
should
be
to
differentiate
it.
J
Laura
kaplan:,
it
does
answer
the
question..
I
don't
know
that
I
have
the
solution.
Necessarily,
and
I
I
agree.
I
understand
sarah's
issue,
and
wanting
to
make
sure
that
if
it
is
a
live
work
unit,,
it
is
actually
a
place
where
people
both
live
and
work,
and
that
there's
something
special
about
being
able
to
work
in
that
space
that
it's
not
just
another
house.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is..
I
would
not
want
to
overly
complicate,
uh,
and
therefore
be
a
deterrence
to
developing
live
work.
Units,
and
I
don't
know
if
making
it
a
conditional
use,
runs
that
risk..
So
I
guess
I
would
invite
create
creative
suggestions
from
staff,,
and
maybe
that
is
the
best
way..
But
what
is
the
best
way
to
you?
Know?
avoid.
C
D
D
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,.
If
you
you
know,,
walk
around
those
areas,
you
might
not
see
a
lot
of
activity
on
some
of
those
work
units
that
might
not
necessarily
mean
that
there's
not
something
going
on
there,
that
the
business,
maybe
has,
you
know,
only
specific
hours
or
something.
um,.
J
J
O
O
O
Pb,
lisa
smith:
yeah,,
because
I
would
imagine
that
alone
would
would
kind
of
put
a
pause
on
someone
just
using
this
residential,.
If
that
was
the
case.
yeah,,
I
mean,.
If
that's
how
we
handle
it.,
then
I
would
assume
that
that
would
yeah
make
you
not
want
to
treat
it
like
just
an
extra
and
a
house..
Why
pay
the
taxes,
if
you're
not
using
it
for
commercial
function?.
G
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
yeah,,
I
I
would
put
in
that.,
I
think
I'm..
I
like
the
concept
of
live,
work
units,,
but
I'm
unclear,
that
enforcement
is
actually
taking
place
at
the
moment,,
and
I
think
that
it
is
appropriate
at
this
point
to
point
out
that
we
believe,.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
if,
if
that's
true,,
if
the
majority
thinks
so,
that
this
should
be
considered,
and
and
dealt
with
to
make
sure
that
there's
proper
use
of
that
space.
D
D
D
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
something
seems
smart,,
because
pb,
lisa,
smith:
otherwise
it'd
be
really
easy
to
just
use
it
as
a
residential
right.
and
then
we're
not
getting
the
activation
and
the
and
even
the
industrial
characters
being
more
lost,
because
it's
actually
just
converting
to
residential,
which
is
in
the
intent..
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
to
try
to
solve
this
um,.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
policy,,
which
is
really
how
we
operate
on
almost
everything
from
noise,
ordinances
to
parking
violations
to
any
any
number
of
things.
um,.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
I
would
be
opposed
to
trying
to
force
a
four
four
x
property
tax
on,
you
know.
talking
about
affordability.
uh,.
You
know,
property
taxes
on
commercial
properties
are
for
x
what
they
are
for.
Residential.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
so
uh,.
I
I
do
not
want
to
see
anything
put
in
there
that
that
would
jeopardize
the
affordability
of
having,
or
it.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
If
it's
really
abused,,
then
then
we
can
either
allow
planning
staff
to
deal
with
it,
get
a
complaint,
or
if
it's
rampant,,
then
we
and
then
we
subsequently
adopt
some
additional
enforcement
mechanism.
but
anyway,.
I
I'm.
B
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
so
this
really
interesting
conversation.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
one
of
the
things
I
heard
when
I
was
listening
in
on
the.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
and
so
I
I
I
hear
what
mark
said
about
not
wanting
to
have
a
property
tax
mechanis,
be
this
this
solution?
um.,
but
I
also
have
a
problem
with
complaint
base,,
because
we
all
we've
all
complained
about
various
and
sundry
things,.
H
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,,
sarah
silver:
ultimate
purchaser
or
renter,,
because
that
person
would
be
governed
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
carl.
by
the
business
license.
is
that
correct?.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
responsibility
on
the
developer,
who
is
the
person
with
the
deepest
pockets,
to
begin
with.
O
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:
when,,
when,
when
it's
defined,,
when
you
actually
look
up
the
definition
of
a
live
work,
and
it's
actually
pretty
interesting.
a
small
medium
size,,
two
to
three
story
attached
or
detached
structure,
containing
one
dwelling
unit
above
or
behind
a
fire
separated,
flexible
ground
floor
space
that
can
accommodate
a
range
of
non
residential
use..
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:
um,,
so
I
think
that's
really
interesting..
That's
what
I've
seen
in
some
live
work,
where
they're
actually
defined
by
by
a
fire
separation,
the
upstairs
and
the
downstairs,,
because
you
have
different
uses..
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
how
it
it's
set
up
in
our
code
today.,
but
maybe
maybe
staff
can
either
take
that
or
give
us
feedback,
or
whether
or
not
that's
correct
or
not,
that
that's.
J
H
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
uh,
yeah,,
I
mean
my
my
only
concern
is,.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
the
exact
solution,
right?,
because
I
you
know
I
I
don't
profess
to
be
an
expert
in
that.
um,.
It
just
happens
to
be
a
definition.
That's
available.
That
sort
of
like
the
first
thing
you
look
up.
That's
the
definition.,
so
yeah,
I'll
send
that
to
him.
have
it.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
I'm
appreciating
this
conversation,
and
I
just
want
to
check
in
with
staff
about..
You
know
we.
We
do
not
want
to
have
the
unintended
impact
of
making
live,
work
units
unbuiltable
because
they're
too
expensive,
too
complicated..
They
don't
have
the
profit
margin,.
C
C
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
it's
a
great
question.,
so
I
think
that
lisa
houde,
cob:,
some
more
clarity
about
the
definition
based
on
this
conversation,
would
be
helpful
about
the
form
of
what
a
look
at
work.
unit.,
what?
what?.
When
we're
talking
about
like
what
we
mean?
and
I
think
the
above
and
behind
what
language
helps.
Also
regarding
uh,
the
idea
of
changing
it
to
a
conditional
use
in
some
or
all
of
the
districts,
for
the
most
part,.
J
J
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,
in
industrial
also.,
so
that's
kind
of
a
that
would
be,
and
I
think,
an
appropriate
solution
that
would
maybe
give
us
more
teeth
on
the
enforcement
side.
um,,
but
still
be
more
permissive
of
these
types
of
uses
around
the
city.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
subsidizing
pb
john
gerstle:
businesses
because
they're
not
paying
their
taxes
the
way
they
other
business
have
to
in
a
live
work
unit.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
mark
made
the
the
point
out
of
trying
to
give
people
a
break
and
not
make
them
pay
commercial
taxes..
But
if
they're.
A
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
she
sells
her
work,
pb
mark
mcintyre:.
We
operate
a
real
estate
business
out
of
our
home..
We
do
not
pay
commercial
taxes
on
our
home,.
Nor
would
I
expect
an
artist
living
in
a
live
work
unit
to
pay
commercial
taxes
because
they
paint.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
um,
that
one
I'm
sorry
long,
word.
they're
an
artist
or
a
crafts
person
making
a
sculpture
in
their
live
work
unit.
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
if
you
make
the
workspace
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
something
that
is
truly
hard
to
be
some
hard
to
be
a
residential
space.
then,,
all
right,
great!
you've
got
a
workspace
and
you'll
have
you'll,
be
competing
with
other
artists
or
grass
people
to
to
get
that
sort
of
space,
anyway..
That's
that's
my
thought.
I.
I
actually
like
the
idea
of.
O
O
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:
um,,
I
I
think,
limiting
it
to
by
form
in
a
very
simple
way..
I
I
think
it's
probably
done
in
other
cities.
Today.
um,
looks
that
way.
um..
I
also
think
of
live
work
spaces
as
relatively
small.
um.,
so
you
know,.
I
guess
that
would
be
the
other
factor.
I
mean,
are
we?.
Are
we
or
live
work?
Units,
you
know,.
A
two
thousand
square
foot,
can
can
it?
two
thousand
square
foot.
Restaurants
sit
underneath
the
live
work
in
it?.
I
I
would
think
not.
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
the
types
of
people
that
mark
is
talking
about
the
guy
who's,
preparing
bicycles.,
the
artist
that
has
a
little
thing,,
the
chiropractor
that
might
have
a
an
office
underneath
and
see
patients
and
those
types
of
things,,
and
I
I
think,
that's
different.,
but
but
there's
probably
limited
square
footage..
It's
probably
fire
separated.
O
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
agreement
on
pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,,
sarah
silver:
asking
staff
to
get
clarity
around
the
definition
of
live
work
through
the.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,
sarah
silver:
form
and
standards,
pb,
sarah
silver:
and
some
pb,
sarah
silver:
agreement,,
maybe
not
complete
on
changing
it
from
an
allowed
to
a
of
a
use
review
to
a
conditional
use
in
industrial
zones
which
would
not
impact.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay,,
all
right.
um,.
Can
I
just
ask
a
question
before
we
move
on.
so.,
who
is
our
lawyer
today?
elliot.
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
elliot?
do
we
pb,
sarah
silver:
need
to
draft
a
friendly
for
to
capture
this,
or
how??
How
do
we
capture
this?
so
that
what
we're
voting
on
include
what
we
will
be
voting
on
includes
those
two
ideas,.
H
Elliott,
browning,
cao:,
right?
yeah.,
so
there's
there's
multiple
ways..
You
could
do
it..
You
guys
could
formalize
this
recommendation
with
a
formal
vote
right,
now,
or
once
you've
done
the
thumbs.
Uh,.
Q
Q
H
H
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
then
pb
john
gerstle:
that,.
I
think
that
will
be
sufficient
at
this
point.
A
A
A
A
pb
mark
mcintyre:
mark,.
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
I
really
appreciate:
staff's
work,
and
the
difficulty
of
removing
and
condensing
versus
adding,,
as
as
evidence
by
our
conversations
tonight.
B
A
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
any
additional
issues
that
were
not
that
you
all
anyone
wanted
to
put
on
the
table
that
were
not
covered.
um,
in
this
in
the
list
put
up
here
by
lisa.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right,
pb
john
gerstle:,
so
I
think,.
What
we
need
to
do
is
put
together
a
motion.
C
C
Laura
kaplan:,
you
know,
five
out
of
six
of
us
recommended
this,
and
all
of
us
recommended
this
other
thing,,
but
we
should
be
able
to
give
that
kind
of
level
of
detail
to
city.
Council.-
I
don't
want
it
to
be
just
one
motion
where
I
have
to
vote
down
on
the
whole
motion
to
not
vote.
yes,
on
everything.
Q
H
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:-
I
don't
know
if
this
language
covers
what
we
said,
but
recommend
development
of
form
and
standards
specifically
defining
live
workspaces
and
make
live,
work.
A
conditional
use
in
industrial
zones.
H
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
I
think,
for
the
form
you
could
just
say,.
Add,
form
form
descriptions
to
the
definition,.
H
Laura
kaplan:
okay,
all
right,,
I
am,
amanda.,
I'm
going
to
send
both
of
these
to
you,
email,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
you
could.
the
the
stuff
that
we
all
agree
on..
I
think
we
could
package
in
one
thing
that
we
recommend
the
ordinance,
plus
the
piece
about
the
live
work
units,,
and
we
can
pass
that
unanimously,.
C
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
adjustments
to
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
proposed
ordinance..
So
I
would
actually
like
to
see
three
less
photo
through
that..
That's
fine.,
I
don't.!
That's
fine
with
me.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,:
let's,
let's
do.,
let's
do
three
and
make
everybody
happy.
then
mark,.
Would
you
like
to?
uh,.
H
H
C
H
H
Q
C
A
H
Q
Elliott,
browning,
cao:
you
know.
candidly,,
I'm
not
I'm
not
clear
on
that
exact
procedural
point..
I
think
your
intent
is
going
to
be
clear
to
the
to
the
city
council
regardless
which
order
you
do
it.,
but
if
you
prefer
to
make
the
friendly's
first,,
I
think,
for
you'd
be
well
within
your.
C
D
D
R
R
R
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
so
we've
effectively
pb,
lisa
smith:
split
it
out
the
pieces
where
we
had
some
lively
discussion,
and
where
we
have
some.
D
A
O
pb,,
jorge
boone:,
every
every
single
vote
that
I've
participated.
In.
we've
done
a
motion,
and
then
friendly
amendments
against
it,
because,.
As
I
see
it,,
if
we're
adopting
this
individual
motion,
and
we're
adopting
the
motion.
and
then
these
are
separate
things
on
top
of
that,
and
that's
that's
I,.
That's
not
what
I'm
signing
up
for.
C
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
I
mean
it's
just
a
recommendation
to
city
council,,
right?,
so
they'll
know
we
basically
like
the
ordinance..
We
want
to
what
I'm
saying
is,.
This
is
again:.
This
is
like
a
process
to
this
is
not
the
way
that
planning
board
has
functioned,
and
every
single
vote..
So
if
we
want
to
change
the
way
we
want
to
function,
and
we
need
to
vote
on
that,
separately,.
O
B
B
C
Laura
kaplan:-
I
just
my
my
whole
objective
here-
is
that
I
do
not
want
to
have
to
do
thumbs
up
or
thumbs
down
on
all
three
of
these
things
packaged
together,,
because
you
know
how
I
feel
about
the
last
one,.
So
I
want
that
one
separated
out..
I
want
to
be
able
to
vote
separately
on
that
last
one
and
not
have
it
attached
to
the
ordinance,,
because
I
agree
with
the
ordinance.
C
C
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
and
jordan,
you're,
not
respecting
what
I
said,,
which
is,
I
don't
want
to
have
to
thumbs
up
with
thumbs
down
on
the
whole
package
together..
I
want
to
be
able
to
separate
out
that
piece..
If
you
want
to
do
this,
first.
don't,
say
I'm
not
respecting
what
you
said..
I
disagree
with
what
you
said..
That's,
not
a
sign
of
disrespect..
That's
a
that's!
A
disagreement.
C
C
C
C
C
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
as
it's
put
forward,,
because
I
want
to
add
these
things
directly
to
the
motion..
That's
why
I
made
the
friendly
amendment..
Why
does
it
all
have
to
be
attached??
It's
not
a
question,,
because
because
that's
the
process
that
we've
run
and
planning
board
since
the
since
every
time
that
we've
done
votes
like
this,.
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
and
I
and
I'm
not
voting
on
the
amendment
because
of
the
same
reason
why
you're?
But
you
want
to
vote
for
it
individually.
it's
it's.,
it's
not
what
I'm
voting
for.,
I'm
voting
for
all
these
three
things
combined..
If,
if,
if
these,,
if,
if
number
two
and
number
three
were
not
added
to
that,,
I
would
not
vote
yes,
on
the
first
part,
laura.
C
O
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
the
call
that
elliott
browning,
cao:.
We
call
the
question,
how
about
we?.
Let
the
lawyer
tell
us?
yeah,
I
I
would
like
to
hear
elliot's
input,
on
this
right?.
So
so
the
motion's
been
made..
It's
been
seconded.
and
now,.
Q
Elliott,
browning,
cao::
we
we
could.,
we
could
discuss
the
substance
of
the
motion,,
which
is
the
original
language,
as
drafted
by
staff,
or,.
As
mark
indicated,.
We
could
call
the
question
on
this
on
this
motion.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
so
people
want
to
move
something
they
can..
But
again
I
just
want
to
say:
so..
You
captured
exactly
what
I'm
saying,,
which
is,
we're
changing
up
the
process
on
the
fly
to
accommodate
someone.
when
we
have,,
we
need
to
have
the
discussion
as
a
planning
board
of
what
the
process
is,.
If
we're
going
to
change,
it,.
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
because
this
is
the
process
that
we
followed.,
unfortunately
to
your
point,
hell
is
not
here
to
clarify,,
but
that's
my
understanding
of
the
process
that
we
follow,
and
it
seems
to
be
the
understanding
of
everyone
else.
That's
been
on
planning
board
besides
this
year
that
that's
what
we've
done.
O
C
C
Laura
kaplan:
six
of
us,,
the
six
of
us,
are
here:
tonight.
support,
pieces,
one
and
pieces
two,
and
that
five
of
the
six
of
us,
or
four
of
the
six
of
us,
or
how
many
support
piece
three?.
However,
we
do.
that
is
fine
with
me,,
but
I
don't
want
to
have
to
say
I
either
support
all
or
nothing,
and
I
don't
think
that's
how
you've
operated
in
the
past
is
that
it's
all
or
nothing,
and
somebody
add
something.,
it's
all
or
nothing
on
everything.
and
georgie
and
sarah
stop
me.
D
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
do
the
thing,
make
a
friendly
so
directly
friendly
that
everybody
would
have
bought
out
and
say,
no,.
I
can't
vote
for
it,
because
my
friendly
wasn't
included,
and
then
we
would.
the
next
thing
we
would
do
is
introduce
the
three
things
separately,
or
however,.
We
wanted
to
do
it.,
so
we
we'd
like
to
reject
the
original
one,
and
then
we
would
break
it
apart,
and
then
we
would
do
each
of
the
pieces
which
may
or
may
not
beautifully
call
roberts
real
orders..
I
can
see
you
um,
you
know.
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
uh,,
and
I
love
that
you
have
a
copy.,
that's
wonderful,,
um,
uh,,
you
know,,
but
but
that
that's
what
I
recall.
it's
doing
is
we
would
like
call
the
thing
be
like
we
can't
accept
it.
The
way
it
is
right
now
we
will
or
will
accept
the
friendly
one
or
whatever.,
and
then
we
would
like,
move
it
to
more
deliberation.
And,
like
actually
take
the
vote.
is
that.
D
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
the
the
motion
with
the
denied
uh:
friendly.
G
G
Brad
mueller,
cob:
however,.
I
might
offer
up
just
an
observation
of
the
realm
of
possibilities,
and
that
they
may
all
lead
to
the
same
result..
R
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
additional
clauses.
I'll
call
them
a
and
b.
R
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um!.
Alternatively,
somebody
might
offer
up.
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
the
original
motion,
brad
mueller,
cob:
about
brad
mueller,
cob:.
Without
the
causes
added.
R
R
R
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
brad,
mueller,
cob:.
Sorry,
I
got
the
wrong
document
now
in
front
of
me.
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
oh,,
I
guess
it's
been
taken:
down.
R
R
R
R
R
C
C
Laura
kaplan:
and
bring
that
second
clause
up
there,
and
recommending
adding
form
descriptions
for
live
workspaces
make
live
work,
a
conditional
use
in
industrial
zones..
I
I
think
it's,,
and
it
should
be
it
rather
than
a
semicolon.
there.
It
should
be
and
make
live,
work,
a
conditional
use
in
industrial
zones,.
C
C
C
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:
and
have
that,
but
also
add
pb,,
jorge
boone:,
bbc:,
seven
point
zero,,
seven,
mixture
of
use,
housing
types
and
seven
point:
one:
zero
housing
for
a
full
range
of
households
to
the
memo
component
of
the
packet
on
page
fifty-five.
C
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
can
support
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
this
motion
as
it's
made,
and
there's
something
to
be
set
for
unanimous
motions
both
in
the
way
we
convey
our
thoughts
to
staff
and
way..
We
convey
our
thoughts
to
counsel.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
an
opportunity
to
have
a
unanimous,
unanimous
decision
on
a
piece
of
work
that
encompasses
years
of
staff
time.
B
pb
mark
mcintyre:
should
not
be
dismissed,
lightly,
and
I
think
that.
an
opportunity
to
express
your
thoughts
on
additional
amendments,
changes,
thoughts,,
the
council.
I
support
the
opportunity.
B
B
C
C
C
Laura
kaplan:,
I
don't
find
it
to
be
especially
collaborative
or
consensus
building..
I
think
you
know
that
we
um.
the
goal
is
to
give
a
clear
signal
on
what
this
body
recommends,
and
if
we
can
agree
on
the
things
that
we
recommend..
I
would
like
to
give
that
clear
signal
to
council
without
having
to
say.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
they
complements
the
ordinance,,
but
are
not
part
of
the
ordinance
themselves..
I
don't
want
to
have
to
reject
the
ordinance
because
of
the
memo,,
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
accept
the
addition
to
the
memo,,
just
because
I
support
the
ordinance.
I'd
like
to
give
a
clear
signal
on
what
I
support
and
what
I
don't.
and
again,.
I
support
that
for
everybody,
here,.
C
C
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
I've
been
a
member
of
planning
work
for
two
years..
There
are
votes
that
I've
voted
down
for
specific
reasons,
because
something
wasn't
in
what
we
were
voting
for..
It
didn't
mean
that
I
disapproved
of
everything
that
was
in
there,,
and
I
think
that
everyone
on
this
board
has
done
that
in
the
past,.
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
would
need
to
include
that
last
section.
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
and
my
understanding
of
our
process,
is,,
we've
done..
It
is
exactly
what
I've
reflected
in
my
statements.
B
C
Laura
kaplan:
and
I
will
just
say,-
I
do
not
want
anybody
here
to
have
to
vote
against
something
that
they
are
actually
for,,
because
it
was
packaged
up
with
something
that
they
cannot
accept..
I
don't
think
that's
good
process.,
that
is
politics
right?,
and
if
that
is
the
way
the
board
has
operated
in
the
past,.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
I
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
for
positive
change.
here
and
and
again
I
will
say,.
I
support
every
person
here
is
right
to
clearly
signal
what
they
support
and
what
they
do.
Not.,
but
then,
laura,
we'd,
have
unanimous
votes
on
everything
on
and
and
and
specify
everything
out
that
we've
done
in
the
past
is
not
the
way
this
board
has
functioned.
C
Laura
kaplan:
that
I
mean,,
I
think
that's
useful
information
for
them,,
and
that
is
what
we
are
doing
is
making
a
recommendation
to
city.
Council.-
so
if
you
want
to
say
that
you
do
not
support
the
ordinance
as
a
whole,,
because
you
cannot
have
these
lines
added
to
the
amendment.,
that
is
certainly
your
right,
and
I
I
don't
understand
that
choice.
but,
laura,,
that's
exactly
what
I
would
say.
O
D
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
I'd
like
to
pb
john
gerstle:
I'll.
I'll
call
a
roll
call
on
this.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
we
we
should
read
the
motion.
A
A
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
uh,,
I
will
also
say,
nay,
and
then
offer
to
make
another
motion.
C
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:
I'd
like
to
offer
a
motion
to
recommend
that
city
council,
adopt
ordinance,,
eight
thousand
five
hundred
and
fifty-six
amending
title.
I
land
use
code
to
update
the
use
table
and
use
standards
related
to
industrial
uses
and
districts
as
part
of
phase.,
two
of
the
use
table,
standards,
table,
and
standards
project.
H
C
Laura
kaplan:,
so
I
will
say
in
an
effort
to
make
peace..
I
will
vote
yes
for
this,,
but
I
hope
that
we
can
seriously
consider
how
we
make
motions
and
how
we
give
signals
to
city
council,,
because
I
do
not
support
that
last
piece,.
But
I
will
vote
yes,
in
the
interest
of
group
harmony,
and
moving
forward,.
C
C
A
A
Pb
john
gerstle:,
which
is
an
information
item..
I
think
I'm
trying
to
get
back
to
my.
I
I
Cris
jones,,
cob:
and
commissions
of
the
city
amps
might
be
familiar
to
you,,
and
you
would
recall
that
I
showed
up
planning
board
with
chris
hagglin
about
a
year
ago
to
present
the
strategies
that
staff
had
been
developing
in
partnership
with
the
consultant
team.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
for
performance
based
pricing
for
our
on
street
parking
management,
as
well
as
a
priority
based
neighborhood
access
management
strategy
that
we
were
seeking
input
before
going
to
council
for
their
hoped
for
support
for
staff
to
be
implementing
those
strategies.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
so
uh,
we
did
get
council
support
on
those
two
strategies.
um,.
They
came
with
a
lot
of
action
items
that
we
have
been
implementing..
One
of
those
action
items
was
to
hire
a
fixed
term
project
manager
and
access
coordinator,,
and
that
is
sam
bromber.
and
so
sam
has
been
with
community
vitality
for
uh,
just
about
a
year
now,
working
on
implementing
these
strategies..
So
we
wanted
to
come
and
give
you
all
an
update
on
this
work.
um!
that
sam's
been
leading,.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
the
the
the
two
strategies
that
we
had
presented
last
year.
plan
for
two
thousand
and
twenty-three.,
and
so
we're
here
to
share
those
strategies
with
you..
So
with
that,
I
will
hand
it
over
to
sam,
who
has
a
powerpoint
presentation
before
we
get
into
some
questions
that
we
have
for
you.
All.
P
P
I
P
P
P
samantha
bromberg:
um!,
here's
an
overview
of
what
I'll
be
talking
about,
today.
I'll.
Take
it
back..
Give
you
all
a
little
bit
of
background
on
how
we
got
here.
Today.
we'll
talk
about
performance-based
pricing.,
we'll
talk
about
the
residential
access
management
program,,
which
is
the
program
that
came
out
of
the
the
policy
of
a
priority
based
in
about
access
management.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
we'll
talk
about
a
new
work
group
that
we're
recommending
called
trail
access
management.
Next
steps
for
the
program
and
questions
that
we
have
for
the
board.
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
so
access
mentioned
parking
strategy
in
early
two
thousand
and
fourteen
into
the
departmental
team
of
city
staff
to
get
a
new
project
called
access
management
practice.
Your
amps
amps
is
designed
to
be
a
guiding
framework
that
balances
today's
multimodal
access
needs,
trends
and
choices,,
while
also
preparing
for
inevitable
shifts
and
demographics,
economics,
travel,
choices,
physical
design
and
technology.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
here
are
the
current
and
ongoing
apps,
initiatives
outlined
by
the
guiding
document.
this
graphic
visualizes.
The
key
ongoing
projects
related
to
amps,,
which
is
one
of
the
first
work
items
to
emerge
out
of
the
process,,
which
is
the
camp
pilot.,
we'll
be
talking
about
pricing
pricing,
strategy,,
which
is
number
two
and
residential
access
management,,
which
is
number
three.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
to
build
on
the
apps
work
in
the
areas
identified
for
change,
to
see
if
all
this
community,
vitality
and
transportation
mobility
staff
began
the
revitalizing
access
and
boulder
project
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,.
The
project
set
out
to
rework
the
city's
parking
products,,
including
the
existing
neighborhood
parking,
permit
program
and
paid
parking
in
our
commercial
districts
to
better
reflect
the
amps
vision.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
in
january
two
thousand
and
twenty-two..
The
first
steps
were
taken
towards
implementation
of
performance
based
pricing
and
graduated,
and
safety
mobility.
Fines
were
fully
implemented.,
so
they
will
be
talking
about
performance-based
pricing
and
priority
based
at
neighborhood
access
management,,
a
strategy
which
is
the
basis
for
the
new
residential
access
management
program
or
ramp.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
performance
based
pricing,
entails,,
looking
at
existing
supply
and
demand
on
street
parking
and
adjusting
pricing
accordingly,
to
better
distribute,
parking
across
the
available
space
by
pricing
that
in
demand
blocks
higher,.
We
can
encourage
turnover
and
reduce
cruising
behavior
of
vehicles,.
Looking
for
parking.
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
the
intent
is
to
provide
a
suite
of
parking
options
to
the
community.,
so
each
parker
can
prioritize
parking,,
price,,
location
and
availability
based
on
their
unique
needs
and
resources..
This
rise
to
relies
on
key
performance
indicators
to
reflect
the
parking,
behaviors
and
just
pricing
as
a
reaction
to
parking
demands.
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
based
on
the
results.
staff,
have
determined
that
the
downtown
area
is
stable
enough
to
implement
performance
based
pricing,,
but
due
to
the
changes
in
land,
use
an
ongoing
construction
in
both
boulder
junction
and
university
hill
areas,
and
the
readily
available
free
parking
nearby..
So
do
not
recommend
implementing
performance
based
pricing
until
the
area
stabilize
and
can
be
addressed
with
the
holistic
management
approach.
P
P
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg::
here's
the
results
from
university,
hill.,
samantha,
bromberg:
um..
To
give
you
an
idea
of
of
what
we
saw,,
we
ultimately
determine
that
it
would
not
be
a
good
idea
to
implement
any
changes
in
this
area,,
but
wanted
to
give
you
an
uh,
a
sense
of
what
the
data
that
we
collected.
This
year.
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
so
we
do
see
pretty
high
utilization
on
university.,
but
overall,
pretty
low
in
in
all
of
the
rest
of
the
area.,
and
note
that
access
is
somewhat
challenged
right
now,
due
to
those
construction
projects
that
are
ongoing.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
we're
helping
our.,
we
we
are
hoping
that
will
be
resolved
in
the
future.,
so
we'll
continue
to
collect
data
for
those
two
areas-
older
junction
and
university
hill-
to
determine
if
there's
any
changes.
But
overall
utilization.
data
was
very
low
in
boulder,
junction,
and
staff.
Think
it
might
be
an
issue.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
and
a
push
to
take
a
broad
and
active
approach
to
manage
parking
and
mobility.
Behavior.,
the
residential
access
management
program
or
ramp
was
introduced
to
the
revitalizing
access
and
boulder
work
to
build
and
expand
upon
the
existing
neighborhood
parking
permit
program.
Ramblike
performance
based
pricing
takes
a
data-driven
approach
to
manage
parking
in
our
residential
neighborhoods,.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
and
is
built
on
an
annual
assessment
of
the
entire
city,
based
on
key
metrics,,
such
as
parking
occupancy,,
high
trip,,
generating
land
use
and
resident
or
staff
identified
areas
of
interest..
The
goal
is
for
the
program
to
be
more
responsive
to
the
individual
needs
of
each
neighborhood
or
area,
as
opposed
to
the
previous
one.
Size
fits
all
approach
to
manage
parking.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
most
zones
log
users
without
a
permits
park
for
a
limited
time,
typically
between
two
and
three
hours.
once
per
day.,
the
program's
original
intent
was
to
manage
spillover
parking
from
activity.
Centers
like
downtown
into
surrounding
neighborhoods.
zones
were
created
or
expanded
through
a
citizen
driven
petition,
process,,
followed
by
city
review
and
a
public
hearing.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
this
slide
shows
those
strategies
that
are
will
become
available
to
us
under
ramp.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
to
understand
the
transit
parking
occupancy,
that
data
was
analyzed
by
season,
day
of
week,
and
time
of
day,,
resulting
in
twelve
categories,
and
each
category
the
maps
display
the
peak
or
highest
observed
occupancy..
These
occupancy
trends
will
help
staff
in
the
public
understand.
when
these
areas
are
most
utilized,.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
staff
have
only
just
begun
to
study
the
results.
from
this
first
year
of
data
collection,,
but
found
that
overall,
the
existing
mps
assistant,
keeping
parking
utilization
below
eighty-five
and
the
managed
zones.
certain
blocks
within
the
existing
mps
have
peak
utilization
above
eighty-five
percent,.
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
so
our
metrics
are
parking
occupancy,
visitation
versus
residents..
Looking
at
the
cars
parked
on
the
street.,
is
this
caused
by
a
visitation
to
the
zone??
Or
is
this
just
residents
parking
on
the
street?
um!?
What
is
the
zoning?,
whether
it's
predominantly
residential
in
nature?.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
um,,
whether
there's
any
barriers,
pedestrian
movement.,
so
what?,
making
sure
that
there's
no
arterials
located
in
the
middle
of
both
zone
and
the
resident
petition,
piece.
um.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg::
this
is
from
a
typical
summer
week,
day,
between
three
and
nine
pm.
overall
parking
occupancy
aggregated
between
all
the
blocks,
is
between
fifty
to
seventy,,
which
is
in
the
optimal
range,,
but
some
blocks
closer
to
downtown
have
a
much
higher
occupancy
and
might
benefit
from
additional
parking
management.
Strategies.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:-
and
this
is
the
pending
petition
for
the
university
hill.
um..
This
is
eight
hundred
eleventh
street,,
and
we
found
that
peak
occupancy
was
during
fall
spring
weekday
evenings
between
three
and
nine
pm.
eighty-three..
It's
important
to
note
that
the
petition
received
for
this
expansion
was
solely
for
the
west
side
of
the
block,.
P
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
so
what
is
next
for
ramp
now
that
we
have
our
initial
results
in
staff,
can
deep
prioritize
certain
areas
that
fell
within
optimal
thresholds
and
focusing
on
the
areas
that
fell
outside
of
those
optimal
thresholds..
The
next
steps
will
involve
expanding
the
scope
of
the
areas
in
just
to
understand
where
the
boundaries
are
and
what
possible
solutions
should
be
recommended.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
historically,,
most
neighborhood
parking
permit
zones
have
been
your
traffic
generating
destination,
such
as
downtown
that
already
offer
alternative
modes
of
arrival
beyond
the
personal
vehicle,.
As
ramp
expanses
approach
to
look
at
access
to
the
wide,,
the
neighborhood
adjacent
to
the
highly
utilized
os
and
lance
should
be
studied,.
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
and
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
os
and
p.
staff
help
identify
a
list
of
eight
trail
head
and
access
point
areas
based
on
visitation.
and
what
of
arrival
data
within
walking
distance
to
residential
neighborhoods
and
city
limits..
The
staff
identified.
locations
were
included
in
a
preliminary
ramp
study
to
determine
whether
there
are
significant
parking
impacts
on
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
those
certain
blocks
are
much
higher
than
others,,
especially
those
closest
to
the
centennial
trail
head,.
P
P
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
and
once
the
can't
be,
valuation
begins
in
the
fall.
um.
next
spring.
The
troll
access
management
work
group
will
start
their
process
and
determine
what,
if
any
community
outreach
should
be
conducted,
and
where
additional
study
may
be
necessary
for
those
identified.
Areas.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
and
here's
our
roadmap
for
all
of
our
programs.
um!.
The
next
steps
are.
We
are
in
the
process
of
developing
a
communication
plan
to
inform
the
public
of
the
upcoming
changes
that
they'll
be
experiencing.
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
the
trial
access
management
worker
begins
planning
out
the
year
to
come
next
spring.
Performance-Based
pricing
is
implemented,
downtown
and
data
continues
to
be
collected
for
the
overseas,
helen
forward.
Junction
and
new,
and
existing
areas
continue
to
be
studied
for
r
to
determine
what
our
boundaries
need
adjusting
and
what
management
strategy
should
be
implemented.
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
so
here
are
my
questions.
um!,
which
I'm
hoping
to
solicit
some
feedback
from
from
board
members.
um,
hopefully,,
you're
you're
still
with
me,
and
you're
still
awake.
before
we
go
into
the
feedback..
I'd
also
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
or
revisit
any
of
the
slides
that
I've
presented.
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
parking
revenues.
and,
as
you
can
see
now
in
our
brand
new
open
gov
budgeting
online
budgeting
tool,
parking
revenues.
um,
in
twenty
twenty-two..
We're
projected
to
generate
about
ten
million
dollars
a
year.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
parking
program.,
but
enforcement
in
neighborhoods
is
much
more
challenging,
and
produces
a
lot
less
citations
than
a
downtown
commercial
area
of
high
turnover
and
paid
parking..
And
so
that's
where,.
As
we've
looked
at
the
data,.
The
amount
of
of
staff
time
that
it
takes
to
both
create,
implement
and
manage
a
a
neighborhood
program
is
very
different
than
a
commercial
area.,
and
so
we've
been
trying
to
reconcile
that
over
time,
and
that's
why
we're
raising.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
the
residential
permit
prices,
because
it's
just
it's.,
it's
very
different
from
our
our
downtown
or
commercial
area.
Operations.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
um,
of
course,,
a
lot
of
our
revenues
in
downtown
university
and
boulder
junction
go
to
purchasing
universal
bus,
passes
for
all
full
time,
employees
and
all
of
those
areas
in
boulder
junction.
We
we
pay
for
bus
passes
for
residents
as
well
as
it's
part
of
the
the
taxing
district
out
there..
We
also
pay
for
be
cycle.
Memberships,
car
share,
other
transportation.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
supportive,
cris
jones,
cob:
options,,
because
we
know,
having
built
seven
garages
over
the
past
fifty
some
years,
that
the
only
thing
more
expensive
than
providing
all
of
these
tdm
travel
options
to
people
who
are
coming
to
our
special
places
is
building
and
maintaining
another
parking.
Garage.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
and
we
still
have
a
high
percentage
of
folks
in
our
community.
and
we're
coming
coming
to
our
community
that
use
vehicles..
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
manage
the
storage
of
their
vehicles,,
whether
going
about
enjoying
their
days
or
working
in
a
way
that
doesn't
impact
the
overall
vitality
of
our
special
places..
And
that's
really
what
our
program
has
been
about
for
past
fifty
years,
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
pursue
that.
and
that's.
B
B
B
P
P
I
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
that
when
we
go
from
after
somewhere,
close
to
fifteen
years,
to
go
from
seventeen
to
thirty
dollars
for
a
resident,
permit,
for
a
city
asset
is,
is
inadequate,
and
to
go
from
one
hundred
to
one
hundred
and
five.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
for
a
commuter.
permit
and
and
correct
me
if
I
get
those
wrong.
um,
in
a
period
of
of
a
long
period
of
time,
is
completely
inadequate
to
for
us
to
use
parking
as
a
tool
to
reach
our
climate.
Goals,.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
it
it
seems
it
completely
inadequate
to
me,,
and
I
and
I
base
that
partly
at
looking
at
see
use
uh,
and
I
didn't
get
exact
figures..
I
I
to
some
people
to
see
you,,
but
you
can't
actually.
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
our
our
pricing
and
going
from
a
dollar
fifty
an
hour
to
two
dollars
an
hour
in
the
in
the
very
highest
use,
and
then
reducing
our
parking
prices
in
in
the
lower
use
areas..
It
seems
to
me
that
we
are
actually
encouraging.
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
to
me
that
decreasing
parking
costs
right
now
in
the
current,
with
our
current
set
of
goals.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
to
actually
make
a
big,
move,
and
uh!
to
both
generate
revenue,,
to
meet
our
goals
and
to
provide
disincentives
for
people
to
drive
their
individual
car
and
incentives
for
them
to
seek
alternate
ways
to.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
to
to
visit
downtown
the
hill,,
etc.
I
have
a
couple
of
things
on
trail
access
management..
But
I'm
going
to
stop
here
for
now
and
let
others
weigh
in.
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
sort
of
springs
off
marks
inquiry,,
and
that
is
to
get
an
explicit
understanding
of
why
we
are.
A
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
so
cris
jones,
cob:,
the
strategy..
As
far
as
performance
space
pricing
pricing
goes
for
commercial
areas
was
established
through
our
process
last
year.
um!,
and
so
the
work
that
sam
is
doing
now
is
really
largely
implementing
established
policy.
and
so
in
our
conversations
with
council,.
While
we
did
get
a
lot
of
feedback
across
the
board
of
folks
who
would
like
for
parking
to
cost
a
lot
more..
There
are
folks
that
have
not
communicated
that.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
um,
for
instance,.
We
had
suggested
that
we
should
start
charging
for
parking
on
sundays
and
weekends
in
the
in
the
downtown.
Garages.
and
council
did
not
support
that
strategy.
When
we
were
presenting
these
policies
proposed
policies
to
them.
Last
year,
and
so
sam
has
been
charged
with
implementing.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
the
strategy
that
was
was
call
codified
in
ordinance
last
year.
related
to
the
rates,
the
the
the
rate
of
change
that
uh,
that.
uh,
we're
seeing
on
street..
So
that's
the
fifty
cents
per
year
up
to
five
dollars
per
hour,.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
so
our
rates
could
get
up
to
five
dollars
per
hour
over
a
series
of
years..
It
would
be
more
gradual,
rather
than
very
drastic,
is
so
that
folks,
who
might
not
be
so
excited
about
these
changes.
um,
uh,,
it
might
be
able
to
to.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
adjust
more
appropriately
when
it
comes
to
the
residential
areas..
I
think
it's
really
important
to
point
out
that
it's
the
residents
themselves
that
have
elected
to
petition
into
the
creation
of
a
neighborhood
parking
permit
program.,
and
so
it's
really,.
We
need
to
be
really
careful
about
one
hundred.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
the
rate
that
we
are
then
charging
them
to
participate
in
the
program
that
they
are
asking
the
city
to
help
them,
and
managing
the
high
amount
of
visitor
parking
that
they're
experiencing
or
spill
over
parking
from
commercial
districts,.
Because
the
moment
that
we
get
to
uh,
to,
however,
rate.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
for
an
annual
permit,
just
for
the
right
to
park.
Your
vehicle
in
front
of
your
home
that
might
have
been
built
before
times
that
people
had
garages
and
driveways.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
we're
going
to
be
back
to
square
one
and
spill
over
into
parking
without
it?,
a
a
good
permitting
process
to
manage
the
parking.,
and
so
we're
really
trying
to
be
very
careful
in
these
adjustments,
so
that
we
don't
find
ourselves
with
a
lot
of
unintended
consequences
or
negative
externalities
associated
with
these
adjustments..
So
we
have
again
a
long.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
rich
history
of
being
a
model
for
managing
parking
in
our
commercial
districts
and
our
residential
areas.
um,.
And
we
want
to
continue
that
history..
But
we're
gonna
want
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
careful
about
the
adjustments
that
we
make
over
time,
and
we'll
continue
to
make
those
adjustments.
As
as
we
have
been,.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
and
we
find
that
there's
a
lot
of
residents
who
feel
very
strongly
that
they
shouldn't
have
to
pay
to
park
in
front
of
their
home
at
all,
and
believe
that
you
know
the
premise
should
be
free
to
them.,
and
I
hear
those
comments
quite
often.,
so
it
come.
people
have
opinions
on
every
every
um,.
Every
side
of
the
matter,
and
we've
heard.
P
P
Samantha
bromberg:
that
yeah,,
like
I
can't
say
that
I
have
any
graphics,
or
that
we've
tracked
track.,
that's
for
specific.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
yeah,.
I
would
say
that
I
mean,,
we
have
a
front
desk
that
issues
permits
to
residents.,
so
we
often
have
it's..
It
is
not
a
an
email,.
You
know,
form
that
folks
are
complaining
via
some
sort
of
formal
complaint
system.
it's..
We
have
customers
that
come
in
on
a
daily
basis,
and
they
need
to
purchase
these
permits.
and
uh,
they're,
not
terribly
pleased.
um,,
and
they
share
that
feedback.
With
our
front
desk.
Staff.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
on
a
regular
basis.
H
H
Pb,
sarah
silver:-
maybe
it's
two
pb,
sarah
silver:,
soon
to
ask
the
question.
but
um!.
I
know
that.
um!,
there's
discussion
of
expanding
the
eightyu
saturation
limit
and
one
of
the
elements
that's
being
talked
about
is.
H
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
of
land
use
and
parking
code
decisions
that
you
all
are
very
much
involved,
in.,
so
um!.
I
would
say
that
that
as
when,
when
our
planning,,
our
friends
and
planning,
are
ready
to
start
tackling
some
of
these
parking
code
questions.,
we
will
certainly
very
much
want
to
be
at
the
table
to
communicate
the
implications.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
um!
that
they
they're
parking
there
because
they
want
to
avoid
having
to
pay
for
parking,
or
they're
visiting
some
major
trip
generator
when
we're
talking
about
folks
or
densifying
residential
areas..
If
the
folks
who
are
parking
up
the
street
are
the
folks
who
also
live
there.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
um!,
cris
jones,
cob:.
Our
current
management
strategies
are
not
designed
to
mitigate
that.
um,
because
we're
not,
it's
not
like
we're.
Turning
around
and
saying,
hey,
here's
a
bus
pass
instead..
Please
get
rid
of
your
car
altogether..
We
still,.
Despite
all
the
things
that
we
do
in
this
community,.
We
do
not
have
a
very
high
percentage
of
folks
who
choose
to
live
in
boulder
without
a
car.
I
Cris
jones,,
cob:
and
so
we're
very
challenged.
and
in
suggesting
that
yeah,,
adding
more
residential
uses.
um,
without
additional
parking.
on
private
property
is
going
to
lead
to
more
conflict
in
and
job
security
for
everybody
in
community
vitality.
A
A
B
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I
can
be
fond
of
privatizing
public
spaces,.
We
attempt
to
privatize
the
right
of
way
in
front
of
our
house.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
We
attempt
to
privatize
access
to
trails
what
we
see
at
our
backyard
with
the
privilege
of
living
next
door
to
open
space,
or
down
the
street
from
chautauqua,
or
a
block
away
from
our
favorite
restaurant
downtown..
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
your
your
messaging
about
this,,
I
hope,
is,
is
more
finesse
than
mine.,
but
I
I
advocate
for
disabusing
people
of
the
idea
that
the
public
right
of
way,,
because
it
is
in
proximity
to
them,
is
somehow
theirs.
so?
um,,
I'm
sure
that's
a
struggle
for
you.
but
anyway,.
I
I
see
it.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
a
a
lot
in
open
space,
issues,
parking,
issues,
transportation,
issues,
and,
in
fact,
um,,
I'm
gonna,
ask
you
um.!
Is
there
any
truth
to
noelwood
residents,
putting
up
illegal,,
no
parking
signs
or
no
trail
access
signs
in
their
neighborhood.
I
I
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
can
can
help
out
everybody
by
doing
a
better
job
about
bike
racks
and
making
bike
access
a
desired
way
of
getting
getting
there..
Um!.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
the
final
thing
is,:
how
do
we
enforce
against
abuse.
B
P
Samantha
bromberg:,
I
can
do
my
best
to
answer
this
one,
and
then,
because
you
can
take
over,
if
I
have
failed
egregiously.
um!.
There
are
certain
documents
that
are
front,
desktop
require,
before
issuing
a
permit.,
so
we
do
require
vehicle
registration
to
the
registered
owner
and
those
types
of
information,
or
we
require.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
a
lease
or
a
sub
lease
with
the
registered
donors.
Names.
there's
a
number
of
different
documents
that
they'll
need
to
review
before
they'll
issue
a
permit,,
so
you
can't
be
getting
a
permit
for
a
vehicle
that
is,
is
not,.
You
know,.
P
Samantha
bromberg:
register
to
you,
or
approve
for
use
by
you..
That
makes
sense.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:.
We
are
moving
to
license
plate
connected
permits..
So
previously
we
had
hain,
tang
tags
and
guest
permits
and
visitor
permits,,
and
so
yes,
it
would..
It
would
be
easier
for
folks
to
be
passing
those
around.
and
uh,
you
know,,
using
the
the
existing
rules
to
abuse
the
program.,
but
as
we
are
moving
to
license
plate
based
permits,,
it
will
be
much
more
challenging.
They
can.
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
because
cu
is
actually,.
I
think,
more
appropriately
pricing
their
parking
at
the
value
of
what
a
a
surface
lot
spot
should
cost
someone,.
B
B
I
I
Cris
jones,,
cob:
um,
there's
a
lot
of
different
dynamics
in
in
the
decisions
that
the
university
makes,
and
how
they
manage
their
very
limited
parking
resources,
and
what
their
priorities
are.
When
it
comes
to
um.
the
amount
of
parking
that
they
want
to
provide
for
students,
faculty
and
staff
that
all
get
universal
bus,
passes.
um!
they're
in
the
center
of
of
lots
of
different
transit.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
options
versus
um.,
the
the
city
that
does
have
some
competing
interests
when
it
comes
to.,
first
of
all,
how
how
expensive
it
is
to
manage.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
a
parking
program,,
especially
the
further
away
we
get
from.
There
are
our
key
activity
centers,
and
then
the
importance
of.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
in
competition
with
each
other,,
and
it
translates
into
some
of
these
disconnects
as
far
as
how
people
experience
the
parking
management,.
But
we
do
work
very
closely
with
them.
and
I
often
do
point
to
them.
If
we're
when
we
are
arguing,
and
we're
arguing
for
going
from
twelve
or
seventeen
dollars
a
year
for
a
residential
parking
permit.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
to
thirty
dollars
a
year..
I
was
always
quick
to
let
everybody
know
that
cu.
charges
their
residence
to
park
in
it.,
see
you
family
housing,
thirty
dollars
a
month,.
So
it's
certainly
it's
I.
we
do
follow
their
pricing
very
closely..
We
follow
their
technology
very
closely,
and
we
do
work.
I
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
his
conjunction
in
conjunction
as
much
as
possible.
great?
well,.
Thank
you
very
much.
Again.
a
lot
of
work
went
into
this,
and
I
appreciate
it,
and
uh,.
Uh,
don't,,
be
afraid
of
raising
the
prices.
Soon.
B
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
I.
I
have
a
one
additional
question,
and
that
is
to
inquire
whether
you've
noticed
any
impact
of
unbundling,
parking
from
office.
Buildings
that,
is
becoming
increasingly
common.
A
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
I
cris
jones,
cob:.
You
know
it's
certainly
something..
It
depends
on
where
we're
talking.
About.
we've
unbundled
office
parking
in
the
downtown
for
again
the
past
fifty
years,
where,
by
creating
the
the
cajun
district,
one
hundred
and
fifty,.
I
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
in
boulder
junction,
it's
been
a
bit
different
in
the
way
that
that
area
is
developed,
and
then
in
in
future
possible
districts.
It
will
be
it
it's.
it'll
be
a
continuing
to
be
more
creative
and
challenging,
and
say
that.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
the
there's
a
proposal
in
the
station
area
plan
over
a
fifty-fifth
and
arapaho.
That
suggests
that
we
should
have
a
a
parking
district
over
there.
um!.
I
I
A
Pb
john
gerstle:
well,,
it
sounds
to
me
like
an
area,
that's
right.
for
some
analysis.,
given
the
lack
of
coherent
information
on
that.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:,
we
we
do
love
more
and
more
data.
I
D
D
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
emotionally
attached,
people
are
to
their
idea
of
pieces
of
curb..
So
thank
you
for
your
work
on
trying
to
balance
this,
and
it's
it's
just
exciting..
I
know
a
lot
of
this
got
put
on
hold
for
covid,
and
it's
exciting
to
see
and
move
forward.
So.
I
Cris
jones,
cob:
hopefully.,
you
are
all
wrapping
up
here.
Very
soon,
too.
A
A
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
functionally
pushing
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
at
this
point,
from
a
staffing
and
work
effort.
Standpoint,,
it's
essentially
the
end
of
the
year
for
us..
We
have.
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
a
lot
of
applications
coming
in
on
the
planning
side
of
things,
complicated,
ones.,
so
working
to
get
those
scheduled
in
and.
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
on
the
building
from
its
side
of
things..
We
are,
still
struggling
with
some
of
our
service
goals
uh,,
but
making
some
headway,,
and
my
hope
is
that
within
a
month
or
so,
we
will
be
trending.
R
R
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
working
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
all
of
that.
Given
the
staff
vacancies
that
we
had
earlier
in
the
year.
in
planning
both
conference
and
and
development,
review.
uh,,
we
are
making
good
strides
to
filling
most
of
those
at
this
point.,
not
all
of
them.
um!,
but
that
is
affecting
our
ability
to.
R
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that's
planning
board
members.
that..
You
all
also
are
aware
that
we
are
working
kind
of
under
a
certain
level
of
just
address
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
fulfill
some
of
the
commitments
that
we've
made
on
work
program,
items
and
moving
those
forwards
with
the
realities
of
that
staffing..
R
R
Brad
mueller,
cob:
afternoon
on
tomorrow,
thursday
and
midday
on
friday,,
but
always
happy
to
also
set
up
a
time.
in
fact,.
Sometimes
that's
the
best.
R
A
A
A
C
Laura
kaplan:,
I
I'll
try
to
make
this
quick,,
because
I
know
that
people
want
to
go
to
bed,
and
so
do
I.
I
have
two
quick
things.
one
is
unrelated
to
to
tonight,
and
one
is
related
to
tonight..
So
the
unrelated
one
is
landmarks
board,,
and
this
may
be
familiar
to
those
of
you
who
have
been
on
land..
The
marks
board.
C
Laura
kaplan:
and
in
the
past,,
but
something
that
came
up
in
their
meetings
that
really
caught
my
attention
was
that
there
are
several
members
of
the
landmarks
board,,
including
the
chair,,
who
have
indicated
an
interest
in
potentially
one
hundred
and
fifty.
C
C
C
Laura
kaplan:
letter
to
council
last
year,
and
they
felt
that
that
letter
was
not
very
effectively
written..
I
haven't
seen
it.
um,,
I
did
ask
for
a
copy,,
but
they
couldn't
find
one.
C
Laura
kaplan:
um,,
but
it
seems
like
it's
a
topic
that
they
would
like
to
keep
pushing
forward
on..
So
I
just
thought
I
would
flag
that
for
for
the
planning
staff
for
this
board..
I'm
sure
planning
staff
have
heard
that
in
the
landmarks
meetings
as
well.
um,,
but
that
might
be
something
to
keep
an
eye.
On.
C
C
Laura
kaplan:-
I
really
do
have
nothing
personal
against
any
member
of
this
board,
and
I
want
to
better
understand
what
happens
tonight,
because
it
sounds
like.
I
have
seriously
misunderstood
the
way
this
board
has
operated
in
the
past,,
and
I'm
not
saying
that.
I
agree
to
be
bound
by
that
in
the
future..
But
I
want
to
at
least
understand
it,
because
it
feels
like,.
C
Laura
kaplan:,
at
least
for
folks
who
are
sitting
here,
tonight,,
who
I
greatly
respect
and
esteem
as
my
colleagues,,
and
I
do
mean
that
sincerely
felt
strongly
enough
about
that
historical
precedence
that
the
vote
went
the
way
it
did
so..
I
want
to
understand
what
I
think
I
heard
lisa
say,,
which
is
the
way
things
have
operated
in
the
past..
Is
you
take
the
main
motion.
C
C
Pb,
lisa
smith:
am
I
understanding
that
that's
the
precedent,
or
what?
What
is
the
president
and
georgie??
You
might
have
a
better
take
I'll.
I'll,
just
rest
on
this.
and
then,
georgie,.
I
think
you're
about
toy
and
pretty
correct,,
except
that
that
there
is
no
obligation
to
accept
the
friendly
um,.
You
know
the
fact
that
that
was
turned
out
was
totally
fine..
Um!.
D
Pb,
lisa,
smith:
and-
and
it
may
be
to
to
mark's
point
honestly,
like
I
don't-
have
a
copy
of
ours
rules,,
so
we
may
be
doing
it,.
You
know
totally
wrong,
according
to
that,
I'm
I'm
open
to
us,,
reforming
it
entirely.
um.,
but
but
yeah,
that
we'd
bring
the
motion.
Someone
could
offer,
and
not
our
friendly..
If
we
accept
or
not
accept
it,,
then
you'd
take
the
vote.
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
then
start
kind
of
you
know,,
making
it
to
what
you
want.
but,
georgie,,
you,
I
think,
maybe
you're
going
to
win.
and
again
I
I
don't
really
care
how
it
goes..
I
just
think
we
should
figure
out
how
we
want
to
do
it..
I
just
want
to
understand
what
I
did.
that
was
viewed
as
such
a
severe
procedural
violation,
because
it
did
seem
like
it
evoked
like.
C
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
so
see
you
south.
As
an
example.
um!,
we
went
through
things
line
by
line
for
hours
as
a
board.
O
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
we
voted
pb,
jorge
boone:
as
a
compromise,,
and
you
voted
up
or
down,,
and
then
you
explained
your
reasons
for
why
you
voted,,
and
why
you
would
have
voted
differently
if
um.
something
had
been
included
or
not
included..
If
we
went
through
the
process
that
you
recommended
today,
and,
by
the
way,,
I.
O
O
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
because
of
that.,
and
so
that
that
was
the
point.,
the
point
was,.
The
point
was
not
what
we
were
voting
on..
The
point
was
that
was
the
that
the
process
that
we
followed
um,,
and
that
was
that
that
was
what
I
was
trying
to
illustrate.,
not
necessarily
that
we
shouldn't
consider
changing
our
processes,.
O
C
Laura
kaplan:
I'm:
honestly,
not
sure
that
I
really
fully
do.,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
explanation..
I
get
what
you're
saying
that
on
a
really
complex
issue,
like,
see
you
south,,
you
cannot
have
a
a
line,
item,
vote
on
everything
I
get
that.,
but
what
we
I
mean
you
could
right..
You
could
have
a
line
at
invo.
we
we
went
through.
O
O
O
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
for,,
pb,
mark
mcintyre:,
making
motions
and
voting?
and,
and
just
I
think
that
is
a
topic
not
for
ten
thirty,,
but
that's
a
topic
that
could
be
a
main,
a
agenda
topic
at
a
future
meeting,,
and
I
I
trust,
our
chair
and
vice
chair
to
work.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
with
staff
to
find
an
appropriate
meeting
date
soon,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
another
for
buffalo
like
this.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
to
actually
visit,
and
and
I'm
sure.
B
C
C
Laura
kaplan:-
and
it's
not
good
if
we
are
also
disagreeing
on
process
while
we're
using
it,,
and
so
I
apologize
to
the
board.
if
the
process
that
I
suggested,,
which
it
seems
like
it
did,
felt
injurious
to
the
members
of
the
board,
who
have
been
here
for
a
long
time,,
and
I
do
want
us
to
work.
This
out.
A
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
uh,.
I
hearken
back
to
a
a
prior
meeting
where.
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
uh,,
some
of
us
pb
mark
mcintyre:
advanced
a
particular
project
to
go
to
dad,
and
I
was
confused.
B
B
B
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
that
are
when
it
is
appropriate
or
not
appropriate,
to
recommend
a
project
be
moved
to
the
design
advisory
board.
A
A
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
oh,
um,
sorry.,
I
forgot
my
hand,
was
up.
but
yeah,
um,.
Basically
the
same,
you
know,.
I
I
think
these
would
be
great
things
to
discuss,
hopefully
on
a
lighter.
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
better
understand
what
happened
and
come
to
groom
and
how
we
want
to
handle
it
in
the
future.
and
yeah,.
I
think
all
that's
good
stuff.
so,
and
I
like
how
we're
using
this
time,
now,
and
and
not
trying
to.
D
Pb,
lisa
smith:
totally
figure
it
out.
um,
because
we
probably
won't
right
now.
but
um!.
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
try
to
understand,
and
I
I'll
think
about
it,
too,
and
I'm
not..
I
also
not
entirely
sure
exactly
what
happened
or
how
it
happened.
um,
and
I
probably
won't
know
till
it's
light,
outside.
um.,
so
yeah.,
but
now
I
I
think
I
think
we
got
to
somewhere
in
the
end,
and
hopefully
it
wasn't.