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david
ensign,
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he/him:,
it's
done.,
pb,
david
ensign,
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he/him:.
Did
you
want
to
hear
me.
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david
ensign,
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he/him:,
thank
you,
in.
pb,,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
all
right,
and
I'm
looking
at
the
attendee
list
and
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
up.
So
if
I
don't
see
one
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
last
call
and
welcome
to
the
meeting
jersey,
thank
you.
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Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
good
evening.,
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karl
guiler:
board
members.
Can
you
hear
me.
now.
pb,
sarah
silver:
okay.
cob,
karl
guiler:,
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
our
presentation
tonight.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
information
so
feel
free
to
interrupt
at
any
time,.
If
you
have
any
questions.
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Cob,
karl
guiler:,
I'm
also
saying
that
you
know
if
there's
a
project
with
new
buildings,
that
the
expectation
is
that
parking
areas
should
be
de
emphasized
from
emphasize
from
the
streetscape
and
not
be
placed
in
front
of
buildings,.
Obviously,
existing
buildings
would
be
evaluated,.
You
know,
differently.
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Cob,
karl
guiler:,
you
know
if
there's
a
larger
project
and
they're
eliminating
a
view
either
they
try
to
preserve
the
view
from
a
public
space
that
that
is
on
the
site,
or
that
they
have
an
elevated
space
within
the
building.
That
would
enable
people
to
have
visibility
of
the
view
towards
the
mountains.
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Cob,
karl
guiler:
so
briefly
go
over
those
happy
to
answer
any
questions,,
but
the
br
one,
the
business
regional
one.
The
high
density
are
h5.
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karl
guiler:
might
be
appropriate
places
for
height
modifications
and
that
perhaps
we
shouldn't
exclude
those,
but
our
our
current
language
is
most
of
these
zones
that
are
that
are
shown
up
on
the
screen,.
That
would
be
excluded
from
requests
for
the
community
benefit
or
the
height
modification..
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karl
guiler:,
not
within
the
criteria
that
we
were
proposing
to
change
in
the
prior
ordinance
that
didn't
move
forward,
that
we
felt
were
still
appropriate
to
talk
about
so
there's
a
section
before
the
criteria
that
just
basically
lays
out
some
exemptions
from
the
community
benefit.
Requirements.
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Pb,,
jorge
boone:
to
in
to
along
with
the
diversity
of
housing,
is
sort
of
how
that
housing
is
set
up,,
whether
it's
for
sale
or
rental,
because
that
is
a
big
social
and
economic
component
that
we
face
as
a
community.
I
don't
know
this,
the
place
to
do
it,,
but
I'm
just
curious
to
get
your
thoughts
on
it.
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jacob
lindsey:,
the
condition
of
housing
in
cities
across
the
nation
and
the
kind
of
housing
and
the
kind
of
cities
that
we
want
to
build
because
we
are
not
granted
a
regulatory
toolkit
to
control
this
type
of
housing
outside
of
what
zoning,
otherwise
grants
us,.
So
I
hope
I'm
not
sending
to
professorial.
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jorge
boone:,
you
know
the
people
that
are
looking
for
that
kind
of
outcome,
end
up
not
getting
10
years
from
now,,
because
those
rents
have
doubled
and
and
because
those
have
stayed
with
institutional
investors
that
are
national
investors.
Boulder
no
longer
has
a
say
in
their
own
economic
wealth,
creation.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:
and,
of
course
you
know,
I
think
the
question
was
asked
and
answered
that
does
this
include
that
and,
of
course,,
that
it
isn't
in
what
we
have
before
us
tonight,
but,,
but
we
could.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
it
may.
pb
john
gerstle:,
be
that
this
is
an
issue
that
is
better
dealt
with
in
the
boulder
valley.
Comp
plan
that
gifts,
for
example,
the
economic
question
and
associated
with
it,
the
social
questions
that
raised
that
become
appropriate
for
consideration
in
dealing
with
these
criteria.
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Pb,
lisa
smith
(she/hers):.
But
again
I
guess
just
for
tonight-
I'm
not
sure
we're
going
to
come
up
with
anything.
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Pb,
lisa
smith,
(she/hers):,
probably
exercise
whatever
opinion
I
wanted.
If
I
get
to
choose
what
social
equity
you
know,,
so
I
understand
why
stuff
was
trying
to
remove
it,.
I
also
can
see
the
argument
for
finding
some
way
to
still
address
it,,
even
though
it's
a
bit
muddy.
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Pb,
lisa
smith
(she/hers):
mm,
so
I
have
a
lot
of
empathy
actually
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
striking
the
economic
feasibility
language,
um.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
all
right,,
so
with
that
I'm
shall
we.
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david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
yeah,
alright,
so
well,
I
mean
if
we
were
in
number
three
I
would
maybe
we
go
around
and
see
what
how
other
people
felt
um.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
It
was
kind
of
like
going
in
that
direction,,
but
yeah,
like
carl
said.
I
don't
think
this
really
changes
much,
and
I
think
that
we've
actually
seen
a
lot
of
proposals
come
before
us.
That
actually
say
in
reality
we're
not.
We
shouldn't
have
retail
spaces
on
every
ground
floor.
You
know.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
I
agree
completely
with
with
form
based
code,.
I
think
that
I,
like
I
like
to
think
that
we're
moving
towards
a
boulder
looking
feel,
and
I
think
that
some
of
those
design
guidelines.
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john
gerstle:,
george
and
sarah's
comments
are
right
on
and
I
won't
repeat
them,,
but
I
would
like
to
underline
and
emphasize
them
and
there's
one
additional
comment
that
I
have
that
I
raised
at
the
beginning
and
I
don't
think
it
has
been
suitably
addressed,.
And
that
is
the
question
of
whether
we
are.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
comments
I,.
We
can
also
get
reactions
on
how
other
board
members
feel
if
they
agree,
I
and
with
with
things
that
are
being
proposed,.
So
I
know
that
those
will
get
summarize
for
council
so
and
the
ones
that
have
a
lot
of
broad
consensus,.
We
definitely
want
to
make
sure
council
here.
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B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
at
community
benefits,
so
we're
looking
at
levers
to
encourage
affordable
housing,,
and
this
is
just
one
of
those
levers,
and
it
could
be
interpreted
as
that,.
But
I
think
that
perhaps
the
the
open
space
we've
kind
of
hit
on
the
fact
that
those
open
space
requirements
are
maybe.
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Pb,
lisa
smith
(she/hers):,
I
I
would
agree
with
that.
You
know,
without
looking
at
specific
case,
examples,
or
even
specific
sites.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
concerned
I
am
about
it
for
any
given
project.
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E
Pb,
lisa
smith
(she/hers):.
I
think
we
should
have
some
kind
of
consideration
if
we
are
going
to
be
reducing
open
space,
what
access
to
the
site,,
perhaps
in
nearby
open
space,?
How
is
it
the
same
or
different
from
regular
market
rate
housing
around
there,
and
so
on,?
So
we
don't
kind
of
create
this.
Two
tiered
housing.
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Pb,,
sarah
silver:
and
so,
each
project
will
deal
with
its
own
reduction
of
a
potential
reduction
of
open
space
in
its
own
way,,
and
then
you
end
up
with
a
not
necessarily
particularly
coherent
or
cohesive
area,,
and
I
think,.
Maybe
this
isn't
the
this.
This
site
review
criteria
update,
might
create
or
incentivize.
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B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
a
project
that
is
doing
this
won't
be
100%
affordable,,
so
it
will
have
both
market
rate
and
affordable,,
so
it
isn't
like
you're,
specifically
targeting
the
affordable
units,.
You
are
making
a
denser
community
that
includes
affordable,,
but
I
do.
I
think
that
it's
still.
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B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
alright,
so
and
let's
see
another
another
one
of
john.
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B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
talking
about
the
end
of
your
letter,
so
it's
kind
of
that
time
of
the
year
that
we
need
to
start
thinking
about
that.
It's
an
interesting
format,
they're
asking
for.
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E
Pb,
lisa
smith,
(she/hers):
kind
of
missing
middle,
and
I
know
that
that's
also
something
we've
been
talking
about
right
now,
so
it's
very
top
of
mind,,
but
I
think
it
actually
dresses
a
lot
of
our
issues.
I'm
also
totally
open
to
breaking
the
rule.
About
only
doing
one
thing
I
mean
it
can't
actually
make.
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B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
If
anyone
thinks
they
would
be
comfortable
with
mural,
let
me
know,
and
maybe
I'll
have
a
conversation
with
the
pita
and
see
if
she
was
willing
to
pair
up
with
you,
sarah.
Maybe
she
maybe
she
knows
how
to
do
that,.
Otherwise
we
might
even
have
a
staff
person
yeah.
I
just.
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him::
let's
do
the.
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
fifth,,
you
said,
the
15th
of
december,
so
we've
got
some
time,.
Maybe
so
maybe
we
do
like
the
week
after
the
next
planning
board
meeting,.
So
we
have.
We
can
check
in
and
see
how
it's
going
so
somewhere
around
thursday,
the
11th
sure
it's
veterans
day.
I
don't
know
if
that.