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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 5/3/23
A
We
are
being
live,
streamed
and
I.
Think
that
lets
us
proceed
with
our
meeting
I'd
like
to
call
order
and
ask
for
y'all
to
join
me
in
a
moment
of
Prayer
of
Silence.
But
please
please
pray
for
the
families
of
of
those
who
were
impacted
by
the
terrible
accident
at
Folly
Beach,
just
just
the
other
day,
the
beautiful
bride
who
was
who
was
killed
in
that
terrible
accident.
A
In
God's
name,
we
pray
amen.
Thank
you,
so
Amy's
going
to
kind
of
take
it
right
away
with
our
March
monthly
report,
we're
already
at
the
end
of
the
first
quarter.
As
far
as
reporting
with
this
budget
year,
2024.
B
So
we'll
just
get
right
into
the
monthly
reports.
I
sent
everybody
the
reports
last
night,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
review
them
or
not,
but
just
quickly
for
the
general
fund
expenditures
where
everybody
is
under
Target
as
of
March
31st
anyway.
So
you
see
all
the
green,
the
green
buttons,
meaning
we're
we're
in
the
green
we're
good
to
go
from
for
now,
anyway,.
A
One
more
time
Amy:
this
is
our
expenditures.
God
I
didn't
read
the
report
yet,
okay,
great.
Thank
you
sure.
B
Parks
is
due
to
street
lights
and
the
timing
of
payments
for
maintenance
projects
that
we
had
going
on,
so
that
that
should
level
out
please
the
taser
payment
was
made
earlier
than
it
typically
is.
So
when
we
we
do
targets,
we
take
all
that
into
consideration
so
that
that,
through
them
that
skewed
their
target
a
bit
new
car
supplies
because
of
a
per
year
old
po
that
rolled
over
from
2022,
so
that
expense
is
covered
and
vehicle
repairs.
B
But
insurance
proceeds
will
cover
those
additional
expenses,
but
they
are
over
on
travel
and
training,
office
supplies
and
community
outreach
right
now,
as
of
March
31st
Public
Service,
there's
they're
a
little
over
Target,
because
we
order
garbage
carts
a
little
earlier
than
we
anticipated
that
new
Rec
collect
service
that
we
have.
We
paid
the
whole
thing
in
total
and
we
anticipated
having
to
pay
that
monthly,
so
that
threw
them
over
Target
and
then
we
paid
an
invoices
for
the
additional
contracted
Services.
B
We
had
for
Hurricane
Ian
in
2023,
but
we're
working
on
FEMA
reimbursement
for
those
and
Recreation
is
over,
but
that
is
because
they
have
increased
participation
in
their
program.
So
that's
a
good
thing
with
increased
participation
comes
increase
revenues
to
cover
the
cost,
so
that's
not
of
concern
either
any
questions
on
any
of
that.
A
B
And
then
this
is
what
it
looks
like.
We've
changed
our
graphs
a
little
bit
so
you'll
see
these
yellow
mustard.
Colors
are
the
the
targets,
so
you
can
see
where
everybody's
pretty
much
under
Target
versus
the
actual
costs.
I,
don't
know
if
that
helps
kind
of
look
at
it
and
then
that's
in
total
so
far
for
the
year
or
for
March
31st.
B
And
then
for
revenues,
there's
only
three
areas
that
were
under
Target
one
is
licenses,
but
that's
that's
the
timing
issue
for
us
last
year
we
had
that
new
due
date
and
so
we're
kind
of
trying
to
anticipate
that
with
data
and
how
to
move
those
targets
around.
So
we're
not
worried
about
licenses
at
all.
B
It's
a
timing,
issue
permits
and
fees
and
remember
we
reduced
that
Revenue
a
lot
in
2023,
because
just
in
looking
at
a
lot
of
that,
Revenue
was
down
so
we'll
watch
that
we're
hoping
it's
just
the
time
the
issue,
but
for
right
now,
preventive
fees
is
a
little
bit
below
Target
and
then
run
some
concessions
as
below
Target.
But
that's
just
because
we
haven't
received
one
rent
payment,
so
we
should
be
fine
there
as
well.
A
B
A
C
D
B
Was
looking
at
bigger
numbers,
not
the
smaller
ones,
so
Enterprise
funds
we've
changed
these
around
it.
If
you
remember
last
year,
we're
kind
of
reporting,
Enterprise
funds
in
general
fund
together,
so
we've
separated
those
out
now
because
Enterprise
funds
more
mimic
a
business
than
they
do
like
the
general
fund.
So
we've
changed
that
to
kind
of
a
profit
and
loss
status
to
see,
if
that,
maybe
that's
a
little
bit
more
clear.
B
So
as
you
can
see
all
of
these
numbers,
we
we
did
not
take
into
consideration
90
transfers
in
that
we
have
so
for
some
of
these
funds.
We
have
transfers
in
from
Hospitality
for
certain
projects
and
things
like
that,
but
these
numbers
are
showing
you
just
straight
actual
revenues
and
expended
and
expenses.
So
that's
why
there's
probably
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you
remember
from
the
budget.
It
just
doesn't
include
the
transfer,
so
if
that
makes
sense,
so
that's
just
straight
revenue
and
straight
expenses.
B
So
when
you
look
at
looking
at
that
for
Angel
of
the
ballpark
and
golf
course,
the
budget
anticipates
a
little
bit
of
an
operating
loss
for
those
for
those
funds
and
then
for
the
City,
Market
old
slave
bar
and
parking
facilities.
Those
were
our
the
budget
shows
and
operating
a
profit
for
those.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
B
So
when
you're
looking
at
this,
the
ones
that
here
that
we
were
showing
having
a
like
a
loss-
let's
say
they're,
their
loss
is
actually
what
where
their
targeted
loss
is
less
than
what
we
anticipated
so
they're,
actually
doing
better
than
what
we
anticipated.
Does
that
make
sense
at
all.
B
So
all
of
our
Enterprise
funds
are
doing
well,
as
you
can
see,
parking
is
doing
doing
very
well
and
the
golf
course
as
well
so
and
Angelo
as
always.
So
those
are
always
our
three
very
strong
areas.
Any
questions
there.
A
And
Amy
that
the
1.2
million
Target
loss
on
parking
facilities
is
that
that
is
a
seasonal
function,
just
normally
January
February
March.
We,
we
would
have
anticipate
less
revenues
and
the
rest
of
the
year
is
that
is
that.
B
That's
part
of
it
mayor,
but
it's
also
because,
like
I
said,
the
transfers
in
from
from
other
funds
also
has
been
included
in
that
number
either.
So
some
of
it
is
seasonal
as
well.
B
A
B
Then
councilmember
Sheely,
that's
insurance,
proceeds
and.
F
Amy,
this
is
Peter
shade
I'm
in
my
car
I
see
you
in
your
car,
cool
and
I
can't
see
the
screen.
That'll
be
kind
of
dangerous
if
I
try
to
drive,
but
just
a
follow-up
question
about
the
parking
revenues.
That's
taking
into
consideration
the
closing
of
the
temporary
closing
the
Whitworth
garage
yes
and
we're
all
projections
somewhat
modest,
because
we
had
we
were
coming
out
of
all
the
Clover
lost
revenues
on
the
parking
garages.
F
This
is
reflecting
us
being
back
up
to
speed,
I
guess
but
Although.
Our
garage
is
being
open
with
the
exception
of
Wentworth
Street.
B
Well,
you
got
to
remember
that
Wentworth
is
run
by
the
college
so
and
yes,
we
were
still
somewhat
conservative
in
our
parking
revenues.
Yeah.
F
B
Yeah
so
next
we
have
stormwater
and
revenues.
Revenues
are
are
under
Target,
but
that's
because
we
did
the
one
dollar
increase,
but
it
didn't
go
into
effect
until
March
1st,
but
that
shouldn't
that
shouldn't
be
a
problem
for
us,
so
they're
just
right
now,
showing
it
just
a
little
under
Target
because
of
that
and
then
they're
under
a
target
for
expenditures
as
well
as
you
can
see.
B
Okay
and
then
tourism
funds,
the
dotted
line
there
is
the
actual.
G
B
2022
actual
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
point
of
reference,
so
we
are
a
little
bit
higher
in
March
anyway,
above
our
2022
actuals.
This
is
where
our
approved
total
budgets
and
our
March
targets.
We
never
have
a
target
for
State
a
tax
because
we
never
received
those
funds
until
April,
because
they're
paid
on
a
quarterly
basis.
So
we
don't
have
any
data
on
state
a
tax
right
now
and
then
municipality
tax
always
runs
two
months
behind.
So
that's
why
we
have.
B
We
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
data
for
either
one
of
those,
but,
as
you
can
see,
we're
above
our
Targets
in
tourism.
Hospitality
is
doing
well
so
far,
so
being
good
for
tourism
funds
as
well.
B
B
We
plan
for
all
the
Departments
to
present
their
budgets
to
you
all,
October
24th,
we'll
have
a
full
Council,
Workshop
budget,
Workshop
and
another
full
Council
workshop
on
the
on
November
14th,
where
we
hope
to
have
the
draft
budget
for
you
at
that
time.
The
newspaper
advertisement
goes
into
into
the
paper
at
on
November
19th
and
we
have
to
have
the
draft
budget
to
you
on
November
21st.
B
B
All
right
and
then
I
just
added
that
combinations
tax,
Grant
calendar
as
well
pre-application
Workshop,
will
be
June
the
week
of
June
20th
July
at
July.
20Th
at
Grant
applications
will
be
due
by
three
and
then
the
internal
committee
will
review
the
applications
August
through
October
and
then
the
week
of
October
23rd.
At
some
point,
councilmember
Gregory
will
have
the
Accommodations
Tax
advisory
committee
meeting.
B
And
so
that
just
brings
me
to
community
Assistance
grants
because
we
don't
have
that
we're
not
planning
for
that.
I
wasn't
sure
what
everybody's
thoughts
were
on
having
Community
Assistance
grants
again
and
starting
that
in
2024
we
have
not
had
funded
those
in
the
past
three
years.
If
we
do
do
that,
then
we
would
need
to
get
the
application
everything
ready,
because
that
would
follow
the
same
calendar
deadline
says
the
accommodation,
Tax
Grants.
A
D
A
Last
last
time
we
did
this
Amy.
How
much
did
we
put
aside
for
it.
A
A
Yeah
I
think
we
were
able
to
be
helpful
to
some
groups
with
arpa
and
and
a
little
extra
dose
of
hospitality
and
accommodations
where
that
could
be
justified.
A
But
there
are
some
true
community
service
organizations
out
there
that
I'm.
You
know
we
do
like
to
support.
B
E
B
A
C
Makes
it
makes
sense
to
me
to
back
into
it
the
way
Amy
described
yeah.
B
E
A
I
think
that
makes
sense,
and
and
maybe
would
we
have
time
to
decide
for
sure
when
you
kind
of
see
how
we
made
out
from
our
audit
from
last
year.
B
It
yeah
I
see
what
you're
saying
yeah
we
can
we'll
close
it
out.
We
can
make
the
decision
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
and
decide
on
the
number
later
and
just
please
get
the
grant
app.
You
know
the
the
notice
out
to
everybody
that
we
are
doing
it.
We
can
decide
on
the
number
later
after
we
close
out
2022.
yeah.
A
Well,
unless
I
hear
an
objection,
let's,
let's
start
with
a
modest,
not
set
a
dollar
amount
but
kind
of
let
people
know
it'll,
be
a
modest
amount
and
and
just
let
people
know
we-
we
will
consider
applications
for
next
year.
At
this
point,.
B
B
The
next
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
that
the
ballpark
Renovations
we've
talked
about
this
for
a
while.
Now
we
have
the
one
mou
for
half
of
the
design
for
the
upgrades
right
now
with
with
the
river
dogs.
B
We
really
probably
need
to
get
going
on
these
on
the
renovations
or
we're
we're
going
to
be
not
in
compliance
with
the
MLB.
So
the
river
dogs
would
like
to
create
an
mou
with
a
city
for
the
construction
of
the
upgrades.
B
So
as
a
reminder,
the
upgrades
include
more
square
footage
in
the
club
houses
they're,
trying
to
provide
a
more
balanced
experience
for
the
players
and
coaches,
separate
clubhouses
for
female
coaches
and
umpires,
and
then
there's
minimum
standards
for
weight
rooms
and
batting
cages
and
Dugout
bench
links
and
everything
else
that
I
have
listed
there.
So
that
is
basically
what
the
MLB
is
requiring
the
river
dogs
to
to
do.
B
Let's
get
it
done
so
the
river
dogs
had
sent
over
an
mou
that
leave
we're
all
kind
of
we're
looking
at
it
and
and
tweaking
it
a
little
bit.
They
had
mou
with
the
city
to
equally
share
the
cost
of
the
project
up
to
4.2
million
dollars
and
it
cut
that
cost
stems
from
two
separate
estimates,
depending
on
involvement
from
The
Citadel,
because
they
could
move
the
citadel's
clubhouse
and
and
do
a
renovation
for
that,
and
the
Citadel
can
contribute
in
that.
B
Otherwise,
if
they
don't
do
that,
then
we'd
just
leave
it
the
same
and
just
renovate
the
way
that
it
is
and
the
Citadel
would
not
participate
in
the
in
the
renovation.
If
that
makes
sense.
But
the
two
estimates,
the
first
estimate
is
with
participation
from
The
Citadel
and
the
second
estimate
is
without
participation.
A
B
So
that's
why
they
set
up
to
4.2,
so
this
project
management
I'm,
just
swagging-
that,
like
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
just
thinking
about
the
contracts
we've
had
lately,
because
I
would
like
to
include
a
project
manager
as
well
in
the
in
in
this
agreement,
so
that
we
have
somebody
representing
both
interests
of
the
city
and
the
RiverDogs
to
manage
the
project.
B
So
their
proposal
is
that
they
would
contribute
800
000
upon
execution
at
the
of
the
mou
three.
We
owe
the
rubber
dogs
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
club
level
construction.
If
you
remember,
we
had
a
10-year
agreement
with
them:
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
contribute
towards
the
that
club
level,
really
nice
area
that
we
go
to
occasionally.
B
So
we
have
three
years
left
on
that
and
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
they
would
want
to
use
300
that
remaining
amount,
that
we
owe
them
as
a
credit
towards
their
800
contributions.
So
really
they'd
just
be
cutting
a
check
for
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
the
remaining
of
it
they
would.
They
would
pay
five
equal
annual
installments
beginning
in
2024.,
so
we
would
basically
the
city
would
be
upfronting.
Pretty
much
the
whole
entire
cost
of
the
of
the
renovation
with
them,
paying
us
back,
which
is
kind
of
what
it's
the
reversal.
B
What
we
did
with
the
club
level
like
they
fronted
the
cost
and
we
paid
them
back
over
10
years.
They
want
to
do
that
over
a
five-year
period,
and
then
all
of
that
would
be
in
a
joint
escrow
account
that
would
be
used
to
pay
the
construction
pay
apps
and
all
of
that
and
at
the
end,
if
there's
any
remaining
funds,
it
would
return
back
to
the
city
with
a
program
at
Mount
to
the
road
docs
based
on
what
they
contributed,
so
that
was
The
Proposal
that
they
sent
to
us
about
a
month
ago.
So.
C
Amy
a
question
question
on
the
the
project
management:
that
was
what
200
000.
B
That's
just
me
guesstimating
that,
though
Councilman
Greg
I'm
not
sure
exactly
if
that
number
is
right,
but
you're
just
knowing
what
the
cost
that's
the
number
that
I
kind
of
threw
in
there
I.
A
So
Amy
the
river
dogs
would
put
in
800
000,
though,
when
we
signed
the
mou
and
basically
give
us
credit
for
the
remainder
of
what
we
owe
on
the
club.
They'll.
A
Their
own
cash
so
they're
putting
some
game
and-
and
would
it
help
for
me
to
call
General,
Walters
or
us
to
communicate
directly
with
the
Citadel
or
we
think
that's
moving
along
I.
B
Think
that's
moving
along
the
last
time
that
we
I
talked
with
Jeff
that
it
was
moving
along
and
I
think
they
I
think
they
just
need
to
get
approval
like
we
would
need
to
get
approval,
so
I
think
it's
moving
along.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
so
when
and
in
all
likelihood
we
will
leave
the
scenario
would
be
the
3.8
or
the
little
bit
lesser
amount,
but
regardless
we're
splitting
at
50
50..
That's.
B
A
B
A
Yeah
I,
don't
know
about
y'all,
but
when
we
were
there
the
other
day,
even
a
regular
Sunday
evening
game,
there
were
you,
know:
5
000,
of
our
citizens
out
there,
families
enjoying
themselves
I
mean
I,
know
this
isn't
a
money
maker
for
us,
but
it
provides
a
lot
of
enjoyment
and
Recreation
for
our
citizens
and
they
got
to
meet
this
these
requirements
in
order
to
stay
in
the
game,
so
to
speak,
no
pun
intended
or
maybe
so,
but
unless
anybody
has
an
objection.
A
I
I
think
it's
reasonable
at
this
point
for
us
to
proceed
with
this,
you
know,
given
that
there
might
be
a
few
tweaks
to
the
mou.
Anybody
have
any
thoughts,
objections.
F
F
Agree
that
this
is
a
huge
amenity
for
the
city,
the
wonderful
partners
that
we
have
and
as
soon
as
we
get
this
thing
done,
I
think
there's
gonna
be
a
sorry
relief
from
their
perspective.
I
know
they're
answering
about
getting
this
thing
wrapped
up,
so
yeah
I
was
trying
to
listen
to
all
the
the
numbers
being
thrown
out,
but
that
sounds
pretty
reasonable
to
me.
Yeah.
B
Send
the
the
PowerPoint
slide
to
everybody
after
the
meeting
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
too.
We've
already
have
1.5
million
dollars,
budgeted
in
2023
towards
this
project,
so
yeah.
A
G
B
At
timing,
Jeff
and
I
were
looking
at
the
timing.
I
think
that
that
works,
okay,
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
amend
or
add
additional
funding
based
on
the
way
the
construction
will
work,
but
we'll
we're
still
kind
of
working
on
on
the
timing
of
when
the
construction
payments
would
happen
to
make
sure
that
that
works.
Okay,.
A
G
A
That
I
do
not
know
anybody
know
did.
Did
we
ever
include
I
hate
to
bring
up
a
a
topic?
That,
anyway,
did
we
ever
add
the
dollar
fee
for
the
ticket.
B
G
G
B
They
all
the
additional
fees
that
they've
added
to
a
ticket
and
coming
out
of
the
pandemic,
they're
a
little
worried
about
adding
additional
fees
to
that.
So
we
hadn't-
we
hadn't,
pressed
them
on
that,
though,
but
they
know
that
that's
out
there
and
we're
still
would
like
to
implement
something
like
that.
So
Rick
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
any
further
conversations
about
that
with
them.
Have
you.
H
No
and
I'm
trying
to
see
if
I
can
find
out
what
the
it
looks
like
the
29
bucks.
G
H
That
is
that's
the
lowest
price.
Then
it
goes
to
you
know
up
to
49.
For
a
you
know,
a
field
View
and.
A
C
G
Kind
of
where
I
was
going
with
this
one,
more
dollar
I
mean
they
get
a
couple.
300
000
people
out
there
a
year
right,
I
mean
that's,
not
an
instant
amount.
If
we
negotiate
and
talk
with
the
river
dogs
team
to
use
that
extra
dollar
back
towards
facilities,
maintenance
and
upgrades
seems
to
me
to
be
something
we
should
at
least
be
thinking
about.
This
isn't
new.
It's
not
a
new
conversation
right.
A
G
F
F
The
way
but
Dave
was
our
guest
speaker
rotary
yesterday
and
there
were
the
top
five
with
attendance
every
year
and
Major
League
Baseball
Farm
clubs.
So
there
the
price
increase
is
not
going
to
hurt
attendance
because
they
they're
doing
something
right:
bringing
people
to
the
ballpark.
B
Finalize
the
mou
we'll
keep
working
with
them
to
tighten
that
up
a
little
bit
and
we'll
bring
it
to
the
second
meeting
in
May.
Okay,.
B
So
then
City
fees
update
our
our
current
fees,
we're
pretty
much.
You
know
we're
still
working
on
them.
Not
much
has
changed
since
our
last
meeting
on
that
so
I
don't
know.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
current
current
fees,
these
are
kind
of
the
ones
that
we're
we're
looking
at
and
we're
starting
to
work
with
the
fire
department
too,
and
the
Fire
Marshal's
office
as
well.
G
B
On
TNT
committee
for
this
next
meeting
council
member
seekinges,
we
have
the
hotel
parking
overnight
parking
fees
on
there
to
increase
those
from
20
to
30
dollars.
So
those
we
are
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
in
this
next
meeting
or
this
upcoming
council
meeting,
probably
for
we
have
to
give
30
days
notice.
So
we
set
a
July
1st
implementation.
A
I
wouldn't
know
Amy
in
a
kind
of
similar
fashion
that
everything
in
that
top
row,
the
green,
the
the
tourism
related
fees,
I,
would
say
as
soon
as
we
can
practically
Do
It,
that
we
should
Bring
It
Forward
for
approval
and
put
those
in
place.
Yeah.
G
I
ask
can
I
ask
a
really
quick
question:
Mr
Mayor
about
that
about
those
fees
that
Top
Line
budget
items
are
those
all
monies
that
we
can
use
as
we
see
fit,
as
in
their
general
fund
monies
not
limited
use
Monies.
B
And
then
we
talked
about
new
fees.
Last
meeting
and
councilmember
Gregory
had
mentioned
the
D
transfer
fee,
which
I
think
legal
research
and
provided
a
memo
to
you
after
last
meeting,
so
I
think
everybody
knows
the
results
of
that
and
then
the
tourism
management
fee
legal
is
still
working
on
that
as
well.
E
Mean
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
this.
This
might
be
better
discussed
in
an
executive
session
one
day
when
we
can
talk
about
some
of
the
legal
issues
with
some
of
these
matters.
But
the
idea
is
to
explore
whether
the
city
can
impose
a
flat
fee
on
room
nights
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
B
Know
legal's
been
working
on
that
and
so
maybe
our
next
meeting,
which
is
on
May
31st,
we
can
include
an
executive
session
to
talk
about
those
items.
That's.
E
Great,
that's
a
great
idea,
I,
really
I'm,
so
thrilled
to
see
this
on
the
slide.
This
is
this
is
awesome,
open.
B
A
G
A
Else
all
right,
thank
you.
Amy
well
not
hear
any
other
business.
We
are
here
by
adjourn,
thank
Amy
and
all
your
your
staff
for
their
work
on
all
this,
and
it
looks
like
so
far
year
to
date
we're
continuing
to
be
in
a
good
position.
Thanks.
Thank.