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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 2/8/2023
A
B
B
A
morning
walk
this
morning
and
thinking
well,
it's
just
under
three
weeks
and
we'll
be
into
March
February
would
be
going
I
always
like
to
see
February
get
on
by
weather-wise
and
felt
like
spring
today.
Already
it's
nice,
so
I'd
like
to
call
our
meeting
to
order.
Ask
you
to
join
me
in
a
moment
of
silence.
B
It
seems
like
there's
always
something
in
the
world
going
on
some
tragedy
and
we've
seen
the
images
from
turkey
and
Syria
of
the
devastation
from
that
terrible
earthquake
over
there
and
just
as
you
take
a
moment
in
silence,
to
pray
for
and
reflect
on
those
who
are
under
duress
and
suffering
as
a
result
of
that
earthquake.
Thank
you.
B
Amen,
thank
you
very
much.
So
we've
got
a
few
items
here
to
discuss
today.
One
that's
come
up
before
is
a
discussion
about
our
procurement
limits
and
try
to
improve
the
efficiency
of
our
procurement
process
and
I'm,
not
sure.
If
Amy
you
were
going
to
handle
this
one
or
Matt
frolick
or
Gary
Cooper,
but
Amy
I'm
going
to
lead
off.
C
C
Gary,
Suzuki
and
Matt
perlick
are
all
on
the
call
I'm,
not
sure
if
Mallory
is
as
well
so
they
worked
out.
They
mapped
out
our
procurement
process
and
identified
pain
points
Etc.
We
did
a
lot
of
interviews
and
have
figured
out
that
one
of
our
biggest
challenges
relating
to
timing
and
delays
in
the
procurement
process.
C
C
So
what
we
had
discussed
in
November
is
us
possibly
increasing
our
formal
competitive
procurement
threshold
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
making
other
adjustments
to
the
policy
to
account
for
that
change,
because
when
you
move
that
up,
you
kind
of
have
to
move
other
things
up
as
well.
At
that
time,
you
would
all
ask
for
a
little
bit
more
information
on
how
this
would
affect
what
city
council
approves.
C
So
we
have
some
of
that
information
for
you
as
well,
so
right
now,
these
are
our
current
limits.
You
can
see
here,
Council
approvals,
40
000,
the
formal
solicitation,
that's
the
30
000
we
were
talking
about
and
the
requested
limits
are
right.
Next
to
that,
we
want
to
look
at
those
for
a
second.
We
have
talked
about
them,
but
it
wasn't
a
long
time
ago.
D
Yes,
ma'am.
Can
everybody
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
the
under
the
small
Professional
Services
councilmember,
shade
the
city
folks
are
free
to
just
select
off
a
vendor
list
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars,
however,
that
vendor
can
only
earn
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
every
24
months
by
using
that
method.
We're
asking
to
raise
that
total.
D
D
He
can
only
be
picked
eight
times
or
four
times,
eight
times,
no
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
a
hundred!
Isn't
it
right
yeah!
He
could
only
be
picked
four
times
in
two
years
off
of
that
list,
using
the
small
Professional
Service
method,
because
the
total
of
those
four
purchases
would
be
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
There's
a
limit.
In
other
words,
they
just
don't
want
you
using
the
same
person
over
and
over
and
over
and
over.
The
policy
was
written
to
try
and
encourage
folks
to
spread
the
wealth.
If
you
will
to.
C
A
D
A
D
C
A
D
F
Yeah
I
can
I
can
weigh
in
on
that
Mr
Cooper.
That's
that's
no
problem!
So
councilman
shade
this
this
one,
the
the
IDC
contracts
or
the
indefinite
delivery
contracts.
So
you
basically
are
there's
a
couple
different
ways
to
do.
It
typically
you're
qualifying
construction
contractors
for
a
list
of
potential
Services.
You
will
frequently
contract
with
two
or
three
vendors
who
will
include
prices
for
those
services
within
that
solicitation,
so
you
still
have
a
competitive
price
solicitation
for
types
of
services.
F
F
So
what
we
do
is
we,
but
we
we
base
a
contract
with
someone
for
fixed
prices
on
that
work
and
then-
and
that
goes
through
Council
the
IDC
comes
to
council
and
is
approved
it
Council
the
IDC
contract
and
then
what
the
department
can
do
is
issue
what
are
called
task
orders
off
of
that
contract,
so
we
might
say:
hey
we've
had
this
run
of
clogged
pipe
on
Orange
Grove.
Can
you
know
contractor
at
these
prices
that
have
been
approved
by
Council
that
you
basically
submitted
as
part
of
your
competitive
bid?
F
We
want
you
to
go
clean,
300
feet
of
24
inch
pipe
on
Orange
Grove
Road
under
this
existing
contract,
and
they
will
say
okay
and
they
will
do
that
work
and
then
invoice
you
for
that
and
where
what
it
is
now
is
we're
currently
capped
where
you
can't
spend
more
than
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year.
Doing
that
as
a
department.
For
instance,
we
have
from
what
the
exact
numbers
are.
I
think
it's
roughly
800
000
set
aside
for
Pipe
Cleaning
in
those
IDC.
F
So
right
now
we
can't
use
the
cheapest
contractor
for
all
of
the
work.
We
actually
have
to
shift
at
some
point
and
start
using
the
more
expensive
contractor,
because
we
can't
spend
more
than
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
a
year
on
that
one
contractor.
So,
even
though
we
know
that
it
would
be
cheaper
to
use
the
cheapest
contractor,
we
actually
are
required
to
go
use
the
more
expensive
contractor
in
this
case
for
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
that,
because
we're
capped
at
500
000
per
year
in
the
limit
there
are
upsides
and
downsides.
F
F
So
there
is
a
risk
that
you'll
get
fewer
bidders,
especially
the
ones
who
tend
to
be
higher
on
the
contracts.
That's
not
always
a
downside,
but
it
could
lead
to
a
potential
bidder
being
less
price
competitive
if
they
think
they're
not
going
to
have
other
people
bidding.
So
it's
you
know
just
like
any
open
bid.
There's
there's
upsides
and
downsides
to
all
kinds
of
approaches.
That's
the
IDC!
Only
just
for
the
IDC
so.
F
F
So
it's
not
a
predefined
scope
of
work
like
you
can't
bid
out
800,
000
worth
of
cleaning
competitively
or
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
cleaning
and
not
come
to
council
with
it.
Instead,
you
you
bid
line
items
of
typical
work.
You
would
do,
but
you
don't
know
exactly
where
or
how
or
when
you
will
do
that
work.
F
C
A
Well,
so
we've
run
through
a
scenario
and
I.
Think
Matt
gave
us
a
really
good
example
of
what
we're
talking
about
with
these
General
Contractors
and
subcontractors,
and
in
this
annual
basis-
and
you
know,
we
box
ourselves
in
on
a
taking
the
higher
bid
as
opposed
to
the
lower
bid
or
the
highest
contracts
a
little
bit.
Are
there
any
other
restrictions?
If
we
raise
these
limits,
what
other
restrictions
are
there
that
are
cumbersome
or
that
we
have
to
be
aware
of
in
order
to
award
this?
Are
there
any
other
restrictions?
C
Well,
I
think
that
probably
our
capital
projects,
people
will
probably
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
better.
I
think
this
is
the
biggest
roadblock
councilman
because
of
the
way
of
just
the
way
it
at
the
time
it
takes
to
take
it
through
Council
and
everything
else
that
we're
that
we
have
to
do
and
because
all
the
costs
have
increased
so
much
I.
Think
probably,
if
there's
more
items
that
are
having
to
come
to
council
than
used
to
before,
just
because
of
price
escalation.
C
So
it's
just
taking
a
bit
more
time
to
get
some
of
our
projects
done
even
smaller
projects.
You
know
like
some
of
the
renovations
stuff
fire
stations
and
things
like
that.
We're
seeing
that
if
I
could
flip
to
the
next
slide,
real
quick
just
because
you
had
to
ask
the
question
this
might
help
a
little
bit
too
council
member
shade,
just
looking
at
all
of
the
things
that
came
through
Ways
and
Means
in
2022
you're.
Looking
at
this,
if
we
did
this,
it
would
save
about
33
of
of
items
coming
to
you.
C
A
F
But
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
couple
items
to
talk
about
the
idc's
right.
The
idc's
are
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
animal
and
that
stormwater
uses
them
I,
don't
know
how
commonly
they're
used
in
the
rest
of
the
city,
but
because
they
still
come
through
Council
for
approval
they're
a
little
bit
different
than
some
of
the
other
discussion
points.
F
F
So
that's
that's
one
aspect:
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
I
think
was
where
you
showed
on
the
on
the
previous
slide
or
the
slides
after
this
one.
You
just
showed
a
minute
ago.
You
know
part
of
what's
happened.
Councilman
shade
is,
if
you
go
back
when
we
last
change
these,
which
I
don't
actually
know
how
long
ago
it
was
but
I'm
presuming,
certainly
more
than
five
years
ago
likely
more
than
10
years
ago,
a
lot
of
items
that
didn't
used
to
get
caught
in
this
process
are
now
being
caught
because
of
inflation.
F
So
many
of
the
small
things
that
never
would
have
come
to
council
are
now
starting
to
come
through
Council.
So
it's
just
putting
a
lot
of
additional
burden
on
staff
to
be
able
to
again
prepare
these
document
sets
and
prepare.
These
plan
sets
on
items
that
normally
would
never
have
had
that
happen
as
I
think,
as
as
Wharton
mentioned,
the
larger
items
that
do
come
through
Ways
and
Means.
F
Even
with
these
changes,
which
is
still
67
of
the
items,
you
know,
those
are
at
a
level
where
we're
doing
all
of
that
work
because
they're
larger
projects,
they're
larger
procurements.
There
are
things
that
are
that
we
do
need
those
open
bids.
We
do.
You
know
price
competitiveness
starts
to
matter
what's
happening
on.
F
Some
of
these
is
the
attempt
to
save
money
by
doing
all
that,
additional
work
in
an
open
bid
is
costing
us
more
money
than
the
savings
is
bringing
in
because
of
how
many
people
and
how
many,
how
much
effort
they
have
to
do
to
go
through
to
try
to
save
500
or
something
on
an
open
bid.
Potentially,
that's
my
quick
addition
to
the
other
hurdles
that
are
that
are
somewhat
harder
to
see
in
this
process.
B
B
Those
are
both
cases
where
a
council
would
approve
the
the
overall
contract
so
to
speak
with
the
vendor,
but
it
it
just
enables
us
to
go
back
to
him
whenever
there's
a
true
need
less
than
the
the
hundred
thousand
dollar
limit
and
and
be
able
to
move
forward
with
a
a
contract
without
having
to
come
back
to
council
again,
maybe
I'm,
complicating
it,
but
isn't
that
right.
You've
still
got
to
prove
that
large
IDC
contract
that
goes
up
to
750
by
Council,
correct.
F
That's
correct
for
the
IDC
contract.
Yes,
those
still
have
the
actual
contract
itself
would
still
come
through
Council
as
a
ways
and
means
item.
It's
just
how
much
money
can
be
spent
on
the
contract
before
the
IDC
methodology
is
not
usable
anymore.
Gotcha.
The
small
Professional
Service
limit,
the
300
000
is
a
little
bit
different,
that
each
of
those
contracts
can
only
be
a
hundred
thousand.
F
In
this
current
scenario,
you,
if
you
were
to
amend
a
contract
to
be
more
than
a
hundred,
that
Amendment
would
have
to
come
back
through
Council,
because
you
now
would
have
triggered
your
threshold
limit.
The
300
is
is
basically
saying
what
we
did
right
now.
Is
you
Limited
how
much
you
could
use
the
same
vendor
under
this
faster
procurement
methodology
to
say
that
no
vendor
can
do
more
than
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
that
type
of
work
per
year
on
three
completely
unrelated
separate
hundred
thousand
dollar
contracts?
F
You
can't
you
can't
split
it
into
two
separate
contracts
and
pretend
that
it's
two
small
contracts
to
avoid
ways
and
means
like
that's,
not
legal.
It's
still
got
to
come
to
Council
in
that
scenario,
but
that's
what
that
300
limit
is
there'd,
be
no
individual
contract
approved
for
300.
It
just
lets
the
same
vendor
do
up
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
unrelated
work.
That
way.
B
C
B
C
B
C
The
only
other
thing
I
really
had
was
just
some.
You
know
I
had
that
this
just
to
show
that
you'd
still
be
seeing
Council
would
still
be
seeing
a
majority
of
the
transactions
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
Comfort
level
there
and
then
just
some
comparisons
to
other
jurisdictions
that
we
talked
about
before.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
idea,
I
think
you'll
your
point
about
adding
a
mwbe
in
there
at
the
county.
That
was
great
I
want
to
thank
Matt
for
and
Amy
and
all
the
team
for
bringing
this
forward,
because
I
actually
think
if
you
were
to
go
back
to
win
that
40
000
amendment
was
put
in
place,
I
think
it's
a
lot
more
than
five
or
ten
years
ago,
he's
expected
in
inflation.
It
would
be
at
this
at
this
level.
In
my
opinion,.
G
G
We're
gonna
have
more
money
for
these
smaller
projects,
which,
if
the
oil
system
stays
in
place,
it
just
bogs
staff
down
with
being
able
to
come
forward
with
contracts
and
take
action
steps,
and
we
all
want
action
steps.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
involved,
you
and
me
as
well,
and
getting
us
and
trying
to
development.
C
G
C
G
H
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
real
briefly,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
if
we
had
something
like
this
in
place,
that
would
have
avoided
some
of
the
delay
we
had
after
Hurricane
Ian
with
getting
the
contractors
on
board
to
help
supplement
some
of
the
trash
pickup
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
see.
If
that
concrete
example,
I
think
that
might
still
be
fresh
in
our
mind
would
have
been
handled
differently.
Had
we
had
some
of
these
higher
thresholds
in
place.
C
I
think
we're
below
a
hundred
thousand
council
member
repel
so
that
that's
a
good
example
because
we
ended
up
having
to
put
it
on
your
desk
the
day
of
counsel.
If
you
remember
it
wasn't
included
in
the
agenda,
so
we
so
we
could
get
it
done
fast.
So
that
is
a
good
example
because
both
of
us
were
under
a
hundred
thousand,
but
over
40.
H
B
And
I
think
councilmember
Warren
Craig,
probably
that
40
000
limit
was
set
about
20
plus
years
ago
things
things
of
prices
have
changed
a
little
bit
since
then,
and
everything
would
go
through
the
procedure
right,
Gary
and,
and
you
verified
three
bids
were
obtained
and
one
minority.
If,
if,
if,
if
applicable,.
D
Yes,
sir,
and
to
speak
to
council
member
of
appel's
comments
where
this
gives
us
a
lot
more
room,
an
example
would
be
the
Hazel
Parker
roof.
We
had
to
do
a
formal
solicitation,
roof
replacement.
We
did
a
formal
solicitation
for
that.
We
had
to
prepare
the
document.
Put
it
out
for
three
weeks
get
it
back.
D
D
All
those
weeks
could
have
been
saved
if
we
could
have
just
gone
and
got
three
quotes
and
let
them
start
working
on
the
roof.
So
that's
where
it's
really
going
to
help
us.
If
we
take
that
30
to
100,
but
yes,
sir
there's
still
competition,
they
still
have
to
go,
get
quotes
and
where
we
will
work
on
the
language
to
make
sure
that
they
go
to
Ruth's
list
and
where
it's
applicable,
we
will
solicit
at
least
one
off
of
that
list.
B
I
I
J
I
I,
don't
have
those
calculated,
but
in
general
we
can.
You
know
let
you
know
that
it
takes
a
considerable
amount
of
time
to
put
together
an
advertisement,
coordinate
meetings
with
everybody
that
needs
to
be
involved
and
then
go
through
all
of
the
steps
that
is
required
based
on
the
existing
procurement
limits.
So
it
would
certainly
help
free
up
staff
time
considerably
to
pay
attention
to
the
work
they're
already
doing
and
or
to
get
other
projects
done.
We
could
certainly
figure
that
out,
it
might
take
a
while
to
get
a
an
exact
dollar
figure.
J
B
C
C
First
problem
we
have
is
the
state
contract
that
has
changed
drastically
for
2023
it
used
to
include,
makes
and
models
in
a
cost
included
with
it.
It
no
longer
does
that
it
just
it
you.
Basically
it's
a
list
of
dealerships,
both
in-state
and
out
of
state
that
sell
a
particularly
make
of
a
vehicle.
So
it's
just
causing
extra
work
for
our
staff
Call
having
to
call
dealerships
that
are
on
the
state
contract
to
see
if
they
have
a
specific
vehicle.
We
need,
if
it's
available
to
get
quotes
and
everything
else.
C
C
C
In
addition
to
just
the
increased
cost
of
vehicles
because
of
how
everything
is
right
now
the
ones
that
are
listed
on
state
contract
are
limited
in
the
product
they
can
provide.
For
example,
we
need
Malibu's
for
the
police
department,
there's
only
one
vendor
in
Florida,
that's
selling
them
and
they
don't
have
the
inventory.
So
we
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
purchase
it
if
we,
if
they
anyway,
because
they
don't
have
them
and
we
need
five
to
ten
of
them.
There
is
a
vendor
in
South
Carolina.
C
We
can
get
them
from,
but
they
are
not
on
state
contracts.
So
that's
just
another
challenge
to
us:
purchasing
vehicles,
Scott
jump
in
if
I'm
saying
anything
wrong.
Please
another
problem
is
availability,
so
there's
order
banks
that
the
manufacturers
have
and
they're
all
they
decide
when
the
open
and
closing
dates
are
for
the
manufacturer.
Scott
go
ahead.
He's
got
to
stand
up,
I'm,
sorry,.
K
Yeah
so
the
example
on
the
Malibus
we
we
haven't,
bought
any
or
purchased
any
unmarked
cars
for
Central
detectives
in
the
last
two
years.
Last
time
we
purchased
them
was
in
2020,
so
we're
overdue
to
replace
their
vehicles.
As
Amy
said,
the
only
GM
contractor
on
the
state
contract
doesn't
have
any
and
won't
have
any.
In
2023
model
year
a
Columbia
Chevrolet
dealership
will
have
been
and
has
offered
them
an
extremely
attractive
price,
a
price
that's
equal
to
or
better
than
the
fleet,
pricing
I
would
expect
on
a
state
contract.
K
K
So
we
could
go
through
that
process
of
Gary's
house
putting
together
this
multi-page
bid
document
and
likely
the
only
one
if
they
chose
to
do
it
would
be
this
Columbia
Chevrolet
dealership
would
be
the
only
one
to
submit
a
bid
and
we
already
had
their
bid,
which
is
very
attractive.
So
that's
a
case
to
where
everybody
gets.
Why
we
had
these
procurement
codes
and
ordinances
in
place,
but
but
that
this
specific
example
is
how
it's
become
an
impediment.
So
so
we
just
need
some
help
with
that.
C
A
And
I
think
Scott
answered
some
of
that.
For
me,
is
you
know.
I
was
certainly
like
to
see
those
dealers
on
Highway,
17
and
councilmember
appeals.
District
and
councilman
Williams
District
be
able
to
sell
those
cars
I
mean
those
are
local
businesses
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
a
availability
issue
Scott.
If
I
heard
you
correctly.
Yes.
K
Sir,
and
and
and
historically,
we
have
certainly
asked
that
local
dealers
consider
getting
on
the
state
contract
that
when
they
look
at
the
numbers,
it
just
doesn't
from
a
business
standpoint.
It
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
that,
even
though
we're
buying
a
high
volume
of
cars,
these
guys
that
are
successfully
running
this
state
contract
in
the
car
business
volume
means
everything
for
them.
K
So
State
contract
is
only
successful
for
these
guys
because
they
get
what's
called
Hold
Back
money
from
the
manufacturer,
they're
able
to
take
a
a
great
examples:
Ford
f-250s
that
truck
all
day,
long
65
or
70
000
on
a
retail
lot
on
a
State
contract.
For
the
last
two
years,
we've
been
able
to
buy
those
cars
for
less
than
thirty
five
thousand
dollars.
K
Obviously,
the
dealer
would
go
broke
doing
that
on
the
retail
side,
but
there's
tons
of
hold
back
money
for
government
fleets
where
they
get
they
get
paid
back
money
from
the
manufacturers
based
on
the
volume
that
they
move.
So
our
Ford
connections
here
in
town
we
we've
there
was
a
time
council
member
we
were.
We
were
taking
the
state
contract
price
and
asking
the
local
Ford
dealers.
Can
you
can
you
in
in
fact
our
procedures?
B
B
K
So
so
the
state
contract
changed
drastically
when
they
went
to
a
cost,
plus
it's
it's
a
percentage
based
over
dealer
invoices
which
what
the
dealership
pays
the
manufacturer
for
the
car.
So
this
example
of
the
GM
guide,
they're
a
huge
conglomerate
of
dealerships
and
when
they
told
me,
listen
Scott,
we
can't
get
you
anything
in
2023
I
said
well.
Why
are
you
even
on
the
state
contract
and
their
response?
K
K
F
K
The
Chicago
plant
that
builds
that
truck
specifically
seven
days
a
week,
Foley
staffed,
can
build
about
32
000
vehicles
in
a
model
year,
two
days
until
the
order
bank,
they
had
62
000
orders,
so
the
first
32
000
are
get
built.
Everybody
behind
him
is
not
going
to
get
any
cars,
so
that's
the
same
with
all
the
truck
lines:
Fleet
Truck
Lines,
so
even
if
they
can
magically
build
another
assembly
plant
right
now,
ninety
percent
of
their
parts
come
from
third-party
vendors.
Those
third-party
vendors
would
have
to
build
new
plants
and
everything
else.
K
G
B
B
K
Does
it
make
a
sedan
anymore,
zero?
The
only
thing
they
make
in
a
small
car
is
a
Mustang,
a
two-door
Mustang.
So
there's
other
there's
other
other
manufacturers.
You
we've
called
Nissan
we've
called
Hyundai.
We've
called
all
these
other
brands
and
none
of
them
have
any
sedans
and,
and
frankly,
I
mean
these
guys
just
want
four-door
sedans,
it's
sort
of
traditional
with
four
doors
for
carrying
passengers
and
that
sort
of
thing
they're,
not
wanting
SUVs,
for
that
detective
role
and
and
and
Chevrolet's
Malibu
was,
is
sort
of
it
right
now.
B
C
Yeah
so
I
mean
Scott
covered
a
lot
of
what
was
on
that,
and
you
know
the
order
Banks.
We
never
know
when,
when
they're
going
to
open
and
they're
not
consistent,
so
like
this
year,
the
trucks,
the
F-series
trucks
closed,
January
13th,
but
the
fleet
and
garbage
trucks
closed
in
September
of
2022,
and
that's
not
consistent.
So
next
year
might
not
be
the
same
timeline,
so
we
never
really
know
when
it
will
open
how
long
it
will
be
open,
it's
just
impossible
to
plan
for
it.
C
C
C
The
the
other
part
is
for
dump
trucks
too.
As
we've
been
told,
we
won't
be
able
to
buy
them
this
year
unless
the
chassis
manufacturer
opens
up
more
chassis
spots.
So
it's
just
it's
just
a
huge
huge
issue
for
us
and
we're
our
biggest
concern
is:
is
that
we're
gonna
get
behind
on
our
replacement
schedules
and
we're
going
to
have
dated
cars,
outdated
cars
again
garbage
and
other
heavy
equipment
for
envirus
Environmental
Services?
It
takes
18
to
24
months
for
delivery.
C
We
have
good
relationships
like
Scott
was
talking
about
his
all
the
relationships
he
has
with
his
dealership,
so
these
relationships
that
we
have
help
us
a
lot,
because
people
look
up
for
the
city
and
we
can
tell
them.
Please
hold
us
this
money
or
whatever,
and
usually
that
works
okay,
but
we
have
that
with
some
of
our
garbage
trucks
and
right
now
knuckle
booms
are
taking
20
to
24
months
for
delivery.
We
talked
a
lot
about
police,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
into
that,
but
fire
trucks
is
another
issue.
C
A
C
We
have
to
do
a
better
job
of
replacement
plan
for
our
regular
Fleet,
which
we're
working
on
with
them,
but
that's
all
part
of
our
lease
purchase.
So
we
do
get
those
lists
and
that's
what
we
put
in
our
budget
for
our
lease
purchase
payment.
So
you'll
see
the
lease
purchase
contract
coming
to
you
for
approval
soon,
but
so
we
do
that,
and
that
starts
April
1st.
A
C
Some
cases
it
is
I'll,
let
for
the
police
departments
got
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
used
cars
already.
This
is
part
of
our
replacement
plan
with
them
that
we
try
to
buy
30
to
32
cars
every
year
for
the
police
department
same
with
fire,
fire
has
bought,
used
fire
trucks
and
things
like
that
because
of
this
issue
and
making
sure
we
have
enough
Reserve.
So
we
do
that.
We
do
do
that
in
some
cases.
K
K
K
It
was
a
great
business
case
for
them
they
ordered
400
of
those
things
knowing
they
would
find
400
buyers
and
they
were
the
only
dealership
on
the
state
contract
or
any
dealership
in
South
Carolina
that
did
that
and
the
400
were
sold
within
a
week
of
them
getting
it.
We
bought
30
of
them,
but
yeah.
It's
it's
all
about
relationships
that
we've
had
any
success
at
all.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
Scott
I
just
got
a
real,
quick
question
for
you.
Seeing
that
we're
looking
at
in
the
future
and
orders
are
backlogged,
are
we
moving
towards
a
internal
policy
of
trying
to
purchase
nothing
but
high
profile,
Vehicles,
given
our
geographic
location
and
our
challenges
with
water,
I
mean
Malibu's
sound
great,
but
they're
not
really
that
functional.
If
we've
got
a
storm,
a
flood,
all
that
kind
of
stuff?
So
are
we
moving
in
that
direction
so.
K
So
obviously,
yes,
sir,
since
I
guess
the
last
three
or
four
since
2019,
all
of
our
black
and
white
Patrol
vehicles
have
moved
to
the
SUV
Forum
I
mean
2013
was
the
last
year
for
Ford,
making
a
police
sedan.
So
on
the
patrol
side,
we're
in
SUVs
We've
added
over
the
last
four
or
five
purchase
Cycles
those
four-wheel
drive
f-250s.
In
fact,
emergency
Management's
got
one
of
those.
Now
the
fire
department's
got
some
of
those.
So.
K
Your
point,
the
work
they're
doing,
there's
lots
of
times
they're
dealing
with
victims,
victims,
families
that
sort
of
thing
and
they
like
that
sedan
versus
the
SUV,
because
it's
still
got
a
lockable
trunk.
So
if
they,
if
they're
on
a
special
team
and
they've,
got
additional
gear,
they
can
lock
them
in
their
trunk
they're,
not
in
the
back
of
an
open,
SUV
that
sort
of
thing
but
yeah.
We
we
all
of
these
vehicles,
we're
buying
for
patrol
a
they're
all-wheel
drive.
K
They
set
up
a
little
bit
higher
and
again
we're
adding
this
year,
we're
actually
getting
three
of
those
F-150
trucks
which
are
Pursuit
rated
and
we're
gonna,
try
them
in
teams
one
and
two
downtown,
and-
and
we
will
probably,
if
they're
successful,
if
the
guys
like
them.
If
they
seem
to
be
doing
a
good
job
and
I
I
assume
they
will,
we
will
probably
look
at
a
different
mix
in
coming
years.
We
may,
we
may
add
more
of
them,
along
with
the
SUVs
split,
that
order
a
little
bit.
B
So
Amy
a
question
for
you
or
anyone
with
these
longer
lead
times,
particularly
for
the
garbage
trucks,
fired
trucks,
the
grapple
or
boom
trucks.
Do
we
need
to
make
some
adjustment
I
know?
You
can't
approve
a
budget
for
year
after
next,
but
seems
like
we're
having
to
order
things
for
things.
We're
going
to
pay
for
well
well-
and
you
know
in
advance.
M
C
Malibus
to
council
the
end
of
February
with
an
explanation,
so
we
can
go
ahead
and
procure
those
items
okay
earlier
and
then
increasing.
The
procurement
limits
will
help
in
some
cases
for
the
smaller
dollar
vehicle
and
Equipment
purchases.
But,
like
Scott,
said
when
you're
buying
that
many
cars
they
would
still
have
to
come
through
Council,
so
we
just
need
a
little
bit
more
leeway
than
we
currently
have.
So
we
can
get
these
vehicles
any
questions.
B
L
K
Matters
yes,
sir
and
I
would
just
say
on
these
Malibus
and
I.
Think
Amy
said
it
best
when
she
said
bring
it
to
council
with
an
explanation.
It's
not
like
Scott
went
out
and
we're
buying
these
cars
in
the
blind.
I
mean
I,
have
a
written
quote
from
this
dealership
Gary
and
his
house
could
call
around
to
other
dealerships
I've
already
spoken
with,
and,
for
instance,
let's
just
say
this
stayed
below
the
Forty
thousand
dollar
deal.
K
It
won't,
but
let's
just
say
it
did
and
we
could
just
do
like
telephone
bids
or
a
fax
bid
or
an
email
bid.
The
only
one
that
would
bid
would
be
this
particular
dealership,
because
they're,
the
only
ones
with
the
cars
so
I
mean
our
procurement
division
to
satisfy.
Everybody
could
certainly
call
some
other
dealerships
and
say
hey.
We
need
five
to
ten
of
these
Malibus.
Do
you
want
to
afford
me
a
quote
for
it?
C
meet
her
garages
and
lots.
These
are
really
your
two
areas,
they'd
be
most
concerned
with
in
citations,
and
then
you
know
we
talked
a
lot
at
the
second
and
third
reading
of
the
budget
about
some
changes
and
increases
to
the
rates.
What
council
member
seekings
was
talking
about
during
those
the
two
budget
meetings
was
transient
parking
weights
and
hotel
parking
rates
and
Council
undertaking
zip
I'm,
saying
something:
that's
not
accurate.
C
Let
me
know,
but
right
now,
for
our
transient
parking
rates,
the
current
rate
is
18
daily
maximum
rate
or
it's
one
dollar
for
every
30
minutes.
So
two
dollars
per
hour
in
the
parking
garages
proposed
rate
would
be
27
a
27
daily
maximum
rate
or
one
dollar
for
every
20
minutes,
increasing
it
to
three
dollars
per
hour
from
two
dollars
per
hour,
and
that
would
yield
an
increase
of
about
four
point:
almost
4.9
million,
that's
a
full
year
of
Revenue
Hotel
parking
rates
per
rate
is
20
a
day.
C
Proposed
rate
would
be
30
a
day
and
that
would
be
able
to
increase
of
almost
1.5
million
and
again
that
would
be
full
year
Revenue,
but
in
this
and
talking
about
all
that,
there's
other
areas
that
we
need
to
consider
that
are
related
to
those
revenues
if
we
were
going
to
just
adjust
these
parking
rates.
So
that's
what
we
wanted
to
talk
about
today,
Council
wireless
speakers.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything.
L
C
Okay
and
just
because
I
know
y'all,
like
comparisons,
so
we
did
we.
These
are
ABM
provided
these
to
us.
These
are
just
kind
of
some
Regional
parking
projects,
Municipal
garages,
mine,
do
not
private
garages
and
where
we
we
are
in
relation
to
them,
so
we
actually,
surprisingly,
were
higher
than
a
lot
of
the
other
garages
Municipal
garages,
which
was
surprising
to
me.
L
C
So
some
of
the
additional
things
that
we
think
need
to
be
considered
if
we
were
to
adjust
the
transient,
especially
the
transit
rates,
is,
is
the
meter.
So
if
you
raise
the
transient
parking
rates
in
the
garages,
you
have
to
consider
the
on-street
parking
rates
for
the
meters.
Otherwise
people
are
just
going
to
park
down
the
street
and
not
go
into
the
garages
because
it'll
be
cheaper
to
park
on
the
street.
C
Current
parking
meter
rates
are
a
dollar
per
30
minutes
or
two
dollars
per
hour,
so
they
match
our
garage
rate
hourly
rate
right
now.
So
we
would
need
to
increase
the
parking
meters
to
at
a
minimum
match
the
parking
garage
rate,
so
it
would
need
to
be
increased
to
1.50
for
every
half
hour,
or
so
it's
three
dollars
per
hour.
C
If
that's,
where
we're
going
to
raise
the
transient
parking
rate
in
the
garage,
do,
does
that
make
sense,
am
I
talking
too
fast,
okay,
industry
best
practices
actually
recommend
that
on-street
parking
is
set
at
a
higher
rate
than
the
parking
garages
to
encourage
more
people
into
the
garages
and
Aid
in
parking
meter
turnover.
So
that
is
another
option
for
us
to
consider,
but
we
think
we
at
least
need
to
have
them
match.
Each
other
makes
sense.
C
M
C
Lost
ticket
fees,
we
need
to
increase
that
as
well.
Otherwise,
there's
no
real
penalty
for
losing
your
ticket,
so
the
current
loss
ticket
fee
is
thirty
dollars.
So
if
our
current
daily
rate
increases
to
27
there's
not
much
of
a
differential
there
and
not
much
of
a
penalty,
people
can
just
say:
I'll
just
pay
the
Lost
ticket
fee.
So
we
would
need
to
consider
a
proportional
amount
that
will
deter
people
from
just
accepting
the
lost.
It
can
be
any
questions.
C
C
C
M
M
M
A
C
B
L
Have
a
quick
can
I
ask
a
quick
question
before
you
get
off
the
slide,
because
we've
done
projections
on
the
other
increases
what
they
will
net
out
in
terms
of
increased
Revenue?
Have
we
figured
out
if
we
go
to
meter
violation
of
twenty
dollars,
either
Amy
or
Robbie?
What
that
would
render
in
additional
Revenue
projected
I
know
that
it
can't
be
a
certainty.
J
C
C
Special
event
fee:
it's
five
dollars
per
vehicle.
We
would
we.
We
should
probably
consider
that
as
well.
It's
a
pretty
low
right
in
comparison
to
other
other
places,
but
we
would
not
increase
the
rate
we
have
in
place
for
our
food
and
beverage
workers
that
utilize
the
special
rights
in
the
garages-
and
those
are
those
four
garages
and
those
are
the
rates
that
we
have,
but
we
wouldn't.
We
would
not
want
to
touch
those.
We
would
leave
those
alone.
C
A
N
N
You
have
two
separate
things
going
on
here
in
the
top
part
when
we
talk
about
special
event
fee
we're
referencing,
when
somebody
like,
we
have
a
standing
agreement
with
the
gillyard
when
they
have
a
show
going
on.
It
is
a
five
dollar
set
parking
fee,
that's
done
through
an
agreement
or
a
special
event.
Permit
parking
permit
request
for
the
specific
garage
those
are
done
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
N
All
the
big
events,
The
Bridge,
Run
seaweed,
anytime,
there's
an
event
at
the
Gilyard.
That's
that
five
dollar
special
event
fee
that
Amy's
talking
about
where
it's
parking
dedicated
specifically
for
event
in
a
garage.
If
the
garage
has
the
capacity
and
the
event
is
large
enough,
the
ones
below
are
all
garages
that
have
special
parking
rates
at
certain
times
of
the
evening
that
are
all
associated
with
high
tourist
areas
that
don't
have
occupancy
issues
around
a
lot
of
our
hospitality
industries
that
aren't
necessarily
tied
to
garages
or
in
the
case
of
the
gillyard.
N
A
N
C
A
C
C
Okay
and
then
just
so,
you
know
we're
in
the
process
of
replacing
all
the
meter
heads
on
the
peninsula
and
we're
working
with
a
vendor
on
a
plan
for
replacement.
You
know
which
areas
you
should
replace.
First,
all
of
that
also
working
with
them
on
a
pricing
plan,
for
example,
should
some
areas
be
priced
higher
than
other
areas
and
depending
on
this?
How
would
that
affect?
You
know
the?
What
we're
talking
about
with
the
transient
rates
and
all
of
that
another
consideration
is
whether
we
should
continue
to
accept
coins.
C
Just
some
statistics
that
25
of
our
meter
repairs
are
caused
by
coins.
We
collect
about
two
thousand
dollars
a
month
in
coins.
The
new
meters
will
allow
for
credit
cards,
smart
cards
and
the
ability
to
pay
with
a
mobile
app.
So
we're
not
sure
that
coins
are
still
necessary,
but
that's
another
decision
that
we
need
to
make
and
then,
with
all
of
those
decisions
we
need
to
make
with
a
meter
head
and
replacing
all
that
it
probably
would
make
sense
to
do
all
of
that
together.
At
the
same
time,
in
our
opinion,.
B
So
if
I
may
suggest
that
the
one
item
that
council
member
C
Kings
originally
suggested
about
the
fee
for
hotels,
seems
to
me
to
be
a
little
independent
of
of
this
issue
between
the
meters
and
the
garage
fees
and
how
they
relate
to
one
another.
So
that's
that's
one
area
that
I
would
recommend.
We
we
consider
moving
forward
with
you
know,
I
think
she
had
mentioned
on
the
slide.
It
would
generate
about
a
million
and
a
half
dollars,
and
that
would
be
a
good
thing.
B
M
B
L
L
I
think
we
all
do
appreciate
the
numbers
you've
shown
us
mayor,
I,
agree
with
you.
We
can
do
the
hotels
pretty
quickly.
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
sit
on
the
selection
committee
for
the
procurement
process
for
the
new
meters
that
it's
a
pretty
smart
group.
It's
very
technologically
savvy
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
ought
to
do
as
we
adjust.
Our
rates
is
talk
to
them
about
best
practices
and
how
best
to
do
it,
and
if
we
have
to
wait
eight
to
ten
weeks,
I
think
that's
probably
a
pretty
good
idea.
L
You
all
may
recall
that
we
engaged
Kimberly
horn
some
number
of
years
ago
now
to
do
a
parking
study
and
it's
sort
of
been
sitting
on
the
shelf,
but
it
was
more
than
a
parking
study.
It
was
really
a
Mobility
study
and
they
during
that
process.
You
all
may
remember
this:
we
brought
in
the
parking
Managers
from
Boston,
Seattle
and
Columbus
Ohio,
all
of
who
gave
us
some
input
on
best
practices
and
one
of
the
things
they
talked
about
from
Seattle
in
particular.
L
Thank
you
all
right,
one
more
thing.
By
the
way.
Yesterday,
at
T
we
talked
about
valet
and
sort
of
maybe
adjusting
the
valet
process.
I
think
we
should
build
into
that
thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
fee
out
the
valet
process
if
we
have
specific
ballet
sites
to
take
on-street
parking
away
and
that's
another
source
of
Revenue
that
we
could
probably
look
at
as
we
go
forward.
So
with
that
I'll
seed,
the
floor.
H
Thank
you,
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
exercise
for
us
to
go
through
all
this
and
and
make
weeks
that
are
appropriate.
I
want
to
just
oppose
sort
of
a
general
question,
and-
and
you
know
if
this
is
beyond
the
scope
of
our
meeting
today-
that's
fine.
We
can
address
it,
maybe
at
another
time,
but
you
know:
I
read
the
article
over
the
weekend
about
the
parking
garage
over
on
Wentworth
needing
all
kinds
of
repairs
and
improvements,
and
it
got
me
thinking
you
know.
H
Are
we
sort
of
raiding
this
parking
Revenue
to
prop
up
the
general
fund
at
the
expense
of
some
of
the
you
know,
maintenance
and
activities?
We
ought
to
be
doing
on
our
parking
garages.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
a
bit
of
a
sense
of
that
and
and
because
I
sort
of
see
that,
as
potentially
being
related,
I
wanted
to
maybe
get
some
comments
from
Whoever
has
them.
B
C
I
actually
have
some
slides
on
that
because
we
touched
on
that
a
little
bit
at
that
last
meeting,
the
second
and
third
reading
of
the
budget.
But
we
haven't
really
talked
about
that
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
newer
council
members
as
well
that
weren't
really
part
of
the
discussions
when
we
were
talking
about
the
parking
for
the
general
fund
being
a
little
bit
more
reliant
on
the
parking.
H
C
Than
we
liked
so
I
have
some
slides.
If
you
would
like
me
to
go
through
those
please
so,
like
I
said
several
years,
we
we
have
been
discussing-
and
this
was
before
the
pandemic-
hit
just
to
Reliance.
The
general
fund
had
on
the
parking
fund.
General
fund
expenditures
have
been
outpacing
the
parking
fund
Surplus.
We
had
always
shown
this
graph,
which
I
have
the
graph
sort
of
a
little
bit
different
graph
of
how
that
was.
You
could
see
the
parking
Surplus
was
much
smaller
than
the
Gap
in
the
general
fund,
revenues
and
expenses.
C
So
we
had
the
concern
that
the
parking
fund
would
not
be
able
to
sustain
the
level
of
support
it
had
been
provided
to
the
general
fund,
and
so
this
is
the
slide
that
I
would
like
to
show.
The
blue
line
is
the
general
fund
expenditures
and
you
can
see
how
they
they're
growing
and
growing
every
year,
but
our
Surplus
and
the
parking
fund
is
basically
staying
flat
and
we
did
not
include
you'll
see
right
here.
It
just
goes
from
2019
to
22,
because
20
and
21
the
pandemic
hit
it.
C
It
just
makes
it
it
skewed.
The
graph
so
much
because
there
was
no,
there
was
no
Surplus.
So
we
just
kind
of
we
just
left
those
two
years
out
because
it
just
made
the
graphic
funny,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
where
we
were
just
a
little
bit
concerned
about
that
and
adding
new
garages
and
then
the
maintenance
on
the
garages.
We're.
C
Policy
as
a
guideline
as
to
how
much
support
the
general
fund
should
receive
from
the
Enterprise
funds
that
we'll
bring
through
this
this
year
as
well,
we
do
have
the
maintenance
requirements
in
each
of
the
garages
that
we
have
to
consider.
So
you
can't
use
all
the
parking
fund
Surplus
to
the
general
fund
every
year,
because
then
you're
not
going
to
have
the
maintenance
money
there
to
perform
the
maintenance
that
that
we
need
to
do
on
the
garages.
C
The
Enterprise
fund
should
be
self-sufficient
not
on
not
only
in
their
operating,
but
also
enough
fund
balance
for
their
long-term
needs.
So
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
preserving
that
and
like
and
we're
also
working
on
a
fund
balance
policy
for
our
Enterprise
funds
as
well,
and
then
we
did
have
that
Structural
Engineering
report
from
2018,
with
three
million
a
little
over
3
million
dollars
in
immediate
and
short-term
needs,
and
we
do
have
that
contract.
C
It
started
in
April
of
2022
I,
think
we're
about
22
through
that
contract
to
date,
and
probably
some
of
that
the
cost
estimate
is
out
of
date,
so
I'm
certain
that
a
little
bit
more
funding
will
be
needed
for
the
for
those
projects.
So
that's
really.
We
just
want
everybody
to
keep
that
in
mind
with
the
parking
fund
and
the
general
fund.
A
A
We
rely
on
these
garages
for
income
and
we
have
deferred
maintenance
onto
far
too
long
this
time
that
we
start
addressing
this
and
we
started
doing
it
rather
quickly.
There
are
other
garages
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
Besides
what
was
in
the
paper
the
other
day,
councilmember,
Appel
and
I
think
that's
what
Amy
is
alluding
to
what
we
need
to
be
doing
too
get
on
the
ball
with
this
as
soon
as
possible.
A
I've
got
to
sign
off
because
I
got
to
go
to
a
neighborhood
meeting
over
in
West
Ashley
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you
for
allow
me
to
chime
in,
and
hopefully
I
didn't
hog
too
much
of
the
conversation
this
afternoon,
but
Amy.
Thank
you
again
for
your
staff
and
all
the
work
that
you
all
have
done
and
but
I've
got
to
head
over
to
West
Ashley.
Well,.
B
C
And
I
just
wanted
to
add
too,
for
the
council
member
shade
the
policies
that
were
where
we
will
write
and
bring
for
you
all.
It
will
take
care
of
exactly
what
you
just
said,
so
we
won't
have
to
set
up
a
separate
account
or
anything
like
that.
It
would
just
be
in
fund
balance
and
there
would
be
policies
behind
all
of
that.
Good.
A
A
A
B
So
and
just
be
clear
to
everybody-
and
you
might
have
gotten
it
from
the
article
but
that
Wentworth
Street
Garage
of
the
building
itself
belongs
to
the
state
of
South
Carolina
by
way
of
the
College
of
Charleston.
The
land
is
ours,
but
that
wasn't
that
wasn't
our
building.
But,
needless
to
say,
we've
been
on
this
journey
to
analyze
what
repairs
are
needed
and
all
the
garages
and
and
we're
ready
to
move
forward
with
covet
and
we
got
delayed.
But
Jason
and
or
Edmund
tell
us
where
we
are
now.
E
I
could
take
it
so
just
a
quick
recap:
2017
we
did
the
procurement
for
an
engineering
team
to
go
through
the
13
garages,
including
Wentworth,
to
basically
do
what
we
were
calling
instructional
repairs
needs,
probably
shouldn't
call
it
structure
repairs.
Just
all
the
repair
needs
that
all
these
garage
require.
E
We
got
that
report
back
and
we
made
a
budget
request
to
Council
in
2018
for
I
believe
it
was
about
4.5
million
dollars,
which
would
cover
Design
Services
and
the
absolute
immediate
needs
for
repairs
in
those
garages.
Now
we
call
these
Life
Safety
needs
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
garages
are
falling
down,
but
it's
everything
from
you
know
upgrading
the
call
box
inside
the
elevator
to
signage,
to
you
know,
spall
repairs,
which
is
when
you
know,
rebar
kind
of,
starts,
to
expand
at
rusts,
and
it
pushes
out
the
concrete.
E
You
know
more,
it's
usually
aesthetic,
but
if
it
goes
left
untreated
it
becomes
a
structural
repair
over
years.
So
this
is
why
we
have
to
be
on
top
of
this
stuff.
So
after
that
procurement
was
done
for
that
report
and
we
had
funding
in
place.
We
had
to
go
back
out
to
procurement,
go
through
the
selection
committee
process
again
in
order
to
retain
an
engineer
to
actually
do
repair
documents
bid
documents.
Essentially
now
garage
was
kind
of
P
I'm.
E
Sorry
Wentworth
garage
was
peeled
off
from
that
and
we
were
focused
on
the
12
garages
because
of
the
college
was
going
to
take
care
of
their
repairs
on
that.
So
I
won't
continue
down
that
road,
but
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
I
mean
this
is
an
enormous
project
for
capital
projects.
This
is
12
projects,
we're
just
talking
about
parking
garages
here,
so
we're
working
with
the
vendor.
It's
ADC
engineers
and
they're
actually
putting
together
the
bid
documents
right
now
and
to
back
up
a
little
bit.
E
So
what
that
allows
the
vendor
to
do
is
to
focus
in
on
those
bid
documents
for
three
garages
and
we
get
that
out
on
the
street,
and
then
we
start
those
a
pairs
remedy
immediately,
while
they
start
on
the
next
three
garages.
We're
currently
plan
to
have
the
first
set
out
by
probably
late
second
quarter,
early
third
quarter,
so
sometime
this
summer
and
I'm
told
by
the
engineer
that
we're
going
to
have
all
the
all
12
garages
out
to
bid
by
the
end
of
this
year,.
L
L
It
seems
to
me
that
that
graph
would
counsel
in
favor
of
trying
to
catch
up
some
on
our
fees
that
we're
charging
through
parking
right.
So
we
can
continue
to
keep
at
least
the
static
Surplus,
if
not
a
little
bit
more
as
our
expenses
I,
remember,
I,
think
I
remember
when
I
first
got
elected
to
cancel
the
budget
right,
there
was
137
million
right,
it's
kind
of
precipitously
kind
of
double
pretty
soon,
so
I
think
we're
on
the
right
track.
L
With
the
parking
and
I
I
know,
one
of
the
slides
you
put
up
there
was
concerns
about
over-reliance
on
parking.
I
would
just
remind
everybody
on
this
committee
as
a
percentage
basis
of
our
budget
that
we
actually
passed
without
doing
any
adjustments
to
the
parking
fees
to
pull
them
out,
and
our
budget
is
34
well,
35
million
bucks,
which
was
our
come
out
to
Amy
five
percent
of
our
budget.
More
than
that
sorry.
C
L
I
get
it
I,
get
it,
and
so
I
mean
keeping
those
Enterprise
funds
available
to
fill
that
Gap
and
increasing
that
fund.
If
we
can
seems
like
a
pretty
good
idea
and
we
ought
to
do
the
best,
we
can
to
do
it
in
a
fair
and
Equitable
way,
but
in
a
way
that
reflects
the
supply
and
demand
that
we've
got
out
there
and
the
opportunities
we
have
to
increase
our
revenues
so
I'm,
certainly
all
in
favor
of
it
and
I
would
I
would
hope.
B
Right
and
but
but
I
think
it's
a
Salient
point
that
council
member
shade
made
that
and
I'm
not
saying
after
adjusting
parking
fees
that
you
would
need
to
dedicate
a
hundred
percent
of
that
increase
to
this
deferred
maintenance
that
we're
working
on.
But
we
need
to
take
care
of
this
deferred
maintenance
over
the
next
year
and
get
these
12
projects
completed.
That's
for
sure.
C
Here
that
we're
talking
about
is
how
and
how
much
should
the
Enterprise
funds
support
the
general
fund,
and
that
would
give
us
a
very
clear
guide
on
how
much
we
should
be
supported
by
the
Enterprise.
The
general
fund
should
be
supported
by
the
gotcha
and
give
us,
you
know,
make
sure
we're
staying
within
the
line.
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
way
to
say
that
yeah.
C
C
So,
if
you
all
would
like
me
to
send
it
to
you
again,
I
can
just
let
me
know,
but
we
have
talked
about
some
of
the
current
city
fees
that
we
have
that
we
know
we
need
to
look
at
in
2023
and
fully
intend
to
do
that
so
that
we
could
budget
for
that
in
2024,
Recreation
fees.
We
did
do
some
of
those
fees
in
23
budgets,
but
we
also
want
to
look
at
the
facility
fees.
They
were
I,
don't
think.
C
We've
we've
not
updated
them
since
2009,
and
that
also
kind
of
needs
to
be
completely
restructured
as
well.
So
that
is
one
project
we
will
tackle
in
23.,
Public
Service
most
were
adjusted
in
2019,
so
we'll
probably
look
at
those
along
with
engineering
fees
and
then
stormwater
permit
fees,
not
stormwater
utility
fees,
but
the
permit
fees
that
go
along
with
it
shows
on
the
next
slide.
Over
here
somewhere
storm
water
traffic
and
transportation,
we
already
we
looked
at
those
and
we
created
the
new
fees
for
right-of-way
obstructions.
C
If
you
remember
that,
but
we
will
look
at
certificate
of
public
conveyance
this
year
as
well.
Planning
has
already
just
recently
updated
their
fees.
Fire
Marshals,
like
I,
said
that
whole
kind
of
permit
Center
process
we'll
look
at
at
those
fees
in
2023
as
well.
So
those
are
the
ones
that
we
currently
have
that
we
know
that
we
need
to
update
as
well
as
well
as
livability
and
tourism.
We
talked
about
that.
The
carriage
Medallion
fees,
tour
guide
manual,
the
bus
permanent
being
the
tourism
ticket
fee.
C
G
C
Then,
like
we
talked
about
before
our
developer
policy
on
how
often
we
should
be
reviewing
these
and
adjusting
them,
and
then
we
know
there
are
new
fees
that
Council
would
like
to
consider
so
we're
pretty
much
having
ad
hoc
meetings
every
month
this
year
and
now
everybody's
excited
about
that.
So
we
can.
We
can
add
that
to
the
agenda
for
our
next
meeting
at.
That
is
what
you
would
like
to
do.
C
J
C
C
G
Might
you
commit
I
mean
everybody
involved
with
this
one,
bringing
this
stuff
forward
as
soon
as
you
have
into
this
year,
as
opposed
to
you
know
the
ad
hoc
process,
which
is
a
good
process,
but
for
that
time
show
goes
fast,
but
it
goes
fast
between
Late
July
and
the
December
vote.
I,
like
the
idea
of
maybe
spreading
it
out
over
longer
period
of
time,
there's
more
meetings,
but
we
won't
have
as
many
subjects
you
know
crammed
in
each
meeting
so
and
the
fee
income.
Part
I,
just
think.
G
That's
awesome
and
the
reason
I
say
that
a
billion
dollar
Banks
I
should
say
trillion.
Dollar
Banks.
The
biggest
part
of
their
bottom
line
is
fee
income.
Those
time
that
government
kind
of
steps
up
there
too,
and
especially
when
you
know
council
member
Pell-
has
his
Workshop
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
on
that
new
state.
G
B
Well,
thank
you.
So,
if
I'm
a
comment,
Amy
this
middle
section
here
is
a
great
thing
to
consider
for
the
future.
We
need
to
develop
a
policy
that
dictates
how
often
we
will
review
and
adjust
fees,
and
it
seems
to
be
a
recurring
theme
of
the
meeting
earlier.
You
know
when
we
said
well.
We
hadn't
adjusted
the
procurement
limit
in
20
plus
years
we
haven't
adjusted
the
parking
fee
meter
ticket
for
20
years.
B
You
know
and
it
it
seems
like
if
we
had
I
know
back
when
I
was
a
wholesaler
and
you
had
an
increase
from
your
supplier,
you
had
to
pass
it
along
to
your
customer
right.
So
even
just
taking
inflation
into
account
and
don't
get
me
wrong
you
it.
You
probably
get
into
more
trouble
than
it's
worth
every
year
to
adjust
two
or
three
percent,
but
it's
like.
If
you
follow
a
cumulative
cost
of
living
and
when
it
hits
five
percent,
you
know
to
to
have
those
fees
that
kind
of
automatically
will
go
up.
B
Five
percent,
you
know-
or
some
kind
of
schema
like
that,
so
we
don't
get
into
this
trap
again
and
go
20
30
years
on
fees
and
other
charges
to
to
recover
our
costs
and
reasonably
you
know
stay
current
with
with
our
Revenue
sources.
So
I
don't
know
what
what
the
specific
answer
would
be,
but
that
that's
a
very
wise
thing
for
for
y'all
that
have
suggested
and
Pursuit.
C
So
mayor,
when
we
did
the
inventory
of
all
the
fees
that
will
help
in
that
process
until
we
get
a
better
system,
you
know
technology
is
always
not
our
friend
sometimes,
but
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
harder
for
us
to
gather
data
and
things
like
that,
but
that
inventory
will
help
us
come
up
with
a
good
schedule
for
for
increasing
those
fees.
Absolutely.