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Description
City of Charleston Ad Hoc Rules Advisory Committee 2/10/2023
A
All
right
welcome,
councilmember,
Waring
I,
don't
know
if
councilmember
Bowden
will
be
joining
and
we're
trying
to
track
the
mayor
down
as
well,
but
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started
now
that
we
have
a
quorum
and
I
will
call
the
Friday
February
10th
2023
meeting
of
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee
to
order
at
206
and
I'd.
Ask
that
we
start
with
a
moment
of
silence.
A
Foreign,
thank
you.
At
the
request
of
the
clerk's
office.
The
minutes
are
still
being
completed,
so
I
just
ask
that
we
unanimously
defer
that
to
be
adopted
at
a
later
point
in
time
and
would
like
to
move
on,
as
we
are
on
a
Friday
afternoon
to
item
number
three:
an
ordinance
to
amend
chapter
two
of
the
code
of
the
City
of
Charleston,
which
is
the
sanding
committee's
appointment
by
the
mayor,
ordinance
by
revising
that
it
was
requested
just
for
specificity.
It
was
requested
by
councilmember
Waring.
A
B
C
B
Had
just
a
slight
tweaking
to
it
and
that
the
recommendations
coming
from
the
mayor
where
the
mayor
recommends
and
with
the
advice
and
consent
of
council
that
those
recommendations
could
be
made
by
the
first
meeting
in
December.
That
would
give
ample
time
for
conversations
to
take
place
between
council
members.
The
mayor,
any
combination
thereof.
B
By
the
time
we
had
the
first
meeting
in
January
and
they'll
obviously
vote
on
whatever
community
positions
that
would
be
in
front
of
us
at
the
time,
as
opposed
to
you
know
doing
it
in
January,
and
then
we
got
the
scramble
going
on.
I
know.
December
is
a
busy
time
because
you
normally
finishing
up
the
budget,
but
in
most
cases
it's
just
gonna
be
tweaking
to
these
committees.
It's.
C
B
E
B
Yeah
I
mean
in
most
cases
obviously
that
November
please
come
oh,
you
could
do
that
or
you
could
push
off
when
Council
votes.
You
know
it'd
be
ideally
good
to
do
at
the
first
meeting,
but
you
could
push
the
vote
to
the
second
meeting
in
January
to
kind
of
get
more
leeway
Rick
to
what
you're
you're
talking
about.
So,
if
that
you
did
have
a
new
mayor
in
that
particular
case,
then
maybe
the
mayor
recommends
by
the
second
meeting
in
December
and
those
positions
are
voted
upon
by
the
second
meeting
in
January.
B
A
B
I
I
agree
with
that,
so
because,
when
you
think
about
it,
and
even
in
December
you
got
Christmas,
you
got
new
years,
you
got
people
going
in
and
out
of
town.
So
it's
really
not
a
full
month
to
kind
of
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
one
another
I'll
convince
about
so
that
I
I
like
you,
if
we
can
do
it
by
the
first
meeting,
fine,
but
no
later
than
the
second
meeting
in
January
I,
think
takes
care
of
the
issue.
A
D
Thank
you
chairman.
Does
this
address
the
ordinance
as
it
is
I
read
it
I
didn't
particularly
see
this
point
in
there.
Does
this
address
any
kind
of
debate
that
we
could
have
or
dissension
on
the
floor
when
a
slight
out
of
slight
of
City,
Council
Members
is
recommended
for
for
standing
committee,
but
a
few
of
us
don't
agree.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
work
through
that
challenge?.
B
Well,
that's
what
I
mean,
in
other
words,
hopefully
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
conversations
between
see
right
now
has
been
in
the
past.
You
really
find
out
those
those
committees
kind
of
like
at
the
last
minute,
I
mean
there's
been
years
when
I
didn't
fill
out
until
it's
put
on
my
desk
at
city
councilman
in
this
case,
you'd
find
out
in
December,
and
if,
for
example,
you
wanted
to
be
on
I,
don't
know
sustainability
and
you're,
not
you
can
reach
out
and
say:
hey
man
I'd
like
to
be
on
sustainability.
B
B
We'll
go,
we
all
got
a
limited
amount
of
time.
You
know
you
know,
as
we
soon
find
out
you
get
elected
to
these
Council
seats
man.
We
got
more
meetings
to
go
to
than
the
long
Lounge,
sometimes
I
feel
but
anyway,
so
I
think
we'll
begin
to
answer
your
question.
Councilman,
Sacrament,
I!
Think
if
that
happens,
that
would
mean
that
we
were
devoid
of
conversation
for
a
better
part
of
a
month
and
shame
on
us.
Well,
shame
on
Meek!
A
Yeah
and
I
was
going
to
say
as
well.
You
know
the
if
it's
introduced
on
the
first
of
December
and
Council
wants
to
make
those
tweaks
by
saying
that
it
can
be
approved
no
later
than
the
January
meeting
that
allows
for
if
a
new
Administration
comes
in,
but
also
if
you
were
appointed
to
a
committee
that
you
didn't
particularly
want
or
you
wanted
to
move
being
able
to
have.
A
Essentially,
you
know
not
counting
the
kind
of
two
weeks
of
the
holidays,
and
it
gives
you
essentially
a
month
to
move
through
and
be
able
to
have
those
conversations
with
everybody,
as
well
as
the
mayor's
office.
I
I,
think
the
idea
of
let's
get
you
know,
let's
have
the
conversations
so
that
the
mayor
can
have
a
slate
that
he
wants
to
introduce
on
the
first
regularly
scheduled
meeting
in
December.
Then,
if
there's
something
that
people
want
to
change,
that's
when
the
kind
of
Shifting
of
the
Sands
goes
on.
B
That
you
wanted
to
say
I,
think
I
think
having
six
members
up
to
six
members
on
each
standing
committee
allows
you
know
if
somebody
wants
to
be
put
on
real
estate
right
now.
If
the
Flies
five
slots
are
taken,
it
allows
one
more
council
person,
obviously
without
having
a
quorum,
seven
being
a
quorum
of
council,
but
I
still
think.
B
Think
if
we
did
that
it
would
allow
more
representation
for,
in
particular,
new
members
that
maybe
just
got
elected
and
would
like
to
it
might
have
a
particular
skill
set
that
would
like
to
serve
on.
Oh,
let's,
say:
Recreation
Kevin,
councilman
shealy
has
got
a
lot
of
experience
in
Recreation
in
his
early
career
prior
to
him,
you
know
being
on
being.
E
E
C
B
A
F
F
C
B
Okay,
I
was
just
trying
to
find
a
way
for
all
the
council
members
who
feel
locked
out.
There's
one
thing:
you
know
one
thing
that
kind
of
echoed
me
with
councilwoman
Parker
said
that
you
know
she
didn't
have
a
prayer
getting
on
some
of
these
committees
and
the
new
person
coming
on
I
wouldn't
want
that
feeling
to
have
credibility
and
whatever
we
emerge
on
the
other
side,
because,
with
the
modified.
B
E
B
Well,
thank
you
Rick,
that's
exactly
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
so
that
that
it
helps
help
satisfy
more
representation.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
this
I,
don't
know
about
you
all,
but
I
I
didn't
think
about
this
part
about
having
representation
from
the
standpoints
of
the
distant
parts
of
the
city.
You
know
until
it
was
waiting
out.
You
know,
I.
Think
real
estate
has
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
from
West
Ashley
on
it,
and
you
know
nobody
from
with
John's
Allen
or
Daniel
Allen
or
whatever.
C
B
E
B
A
Yeah
I
I
like
that
idea
as
well,
especially
that
those
three
committees
discuss
some
of
the
more
visible
things
going
on
with
Council
that
you
know,
because
I
I
think
that
that's
also
kind
of
part
of
the
when
you're
a
new
council
member.
If
you
could
be
on
a
committee
such
as
those
where
you
feel
like
you're,
being
able
to
weigh
in
on
some
of
the
like.
You
know
large
Transportation
infrastructure
projects,
some
of
the
public
safety
initiatives.
A
A
B
A
E
Think
it
requires
an
ordinance
change
in
general
and
we
did
this.
You
know
a
a
couple,
a
council
or
so
ago,
because
we
had
four
members
on
public
works
and
we
thought
that
down
and
then
we
and
we
changed
the
ordinance.
So
we
could
add
councilman
seekings,
because
so
many
of
the
Public
Works
projects
affected
the
peninsula
and
they
weren't
represented
so
I
I
think
it
requires
an
ordinance.
Doesn't
it
Jennifer.
F
F
It's
actually
I
just
had
it
in
front
of
me,
but
it
is
section
2-50
of
the
Rules
of
Order.
So
we
would
just
go
into
items
two
three
and
four,
which
are
public
works
and
utilities,
Public
Safety
and
traffic
and
transportation
I'm.
Sorry,
not
Public,
Works
and
utilities,
Public
Safety,
it's
three
four
and
five
Public
Safety
traffic
and
transportation
and
real
estate,
and
we
would
just
change
that
from
four
to
five,
and
that
would
be
part
of
the
changes
that
y'all
proposed
today
and
then
that
would
come
to
Council
on
Tuesday.
A
C
E
D
C
B
B
F
F
C
B
A
I
will
accept
your
amendment
to
that
and
to
just
so
I
can
state
it
for
the
record.
The
councilor
waring's
motion,
which
was
seconded
by
councilmember
Sacrament,
is
to
amend
the
rules
of
council
to
allow
for
five,
no
more
than
five
council
member
appointments
to
traffic
and
transportation,
Public
Safety
real
estate,
Community
Development
and
special
facilities.
B
G
G
B
Seven,
yes,
but
and
then,
if
you
do
it
at
Community,
Development
and
special
facilities,
why
not
all
the
other
committees
being
limited
to
five
I,
I
I
think
there's
a
rationale
in
keeping
it
below
McCormick.
The
council,
which
is
seven
I,
said
I,
just
think.
That's
an
oversight.
That's
been
allowed
to
go
through
for
decades,
yeah.
G
A
G
A
It
call
everybody
right
so
I
I,
like
keeping
it
at.
You
know
that
we
would
have
the
Committees
be
less
than
the
majority
of
council
as
a
matter
of
practice,
unless
you
know
like
the
audit
committee
or
the
adoc
budget
committee,
or
something
like
that
comes
up,
but
for
the
standing
committee.
I
think
that
that's
right,
I
agree
with
that.
B
The
mail
came
on
late,
I,
don't
know
if
you
heard
we
were
talking
about
the
recommendations
from
the
mayor
coming
down.
You
know
the
first
part
of
December
and
I
think
councilman
Brady
added.
That
would
give
time
for
after
your
recommendations,
council
members
will
speak
to
you,
council,
member,
communicate
with
one
another
before
it's
voted
upon
in
January
and
councilman
breed.
He
added
which
I
thought
was
a
good
ad.
The
vote
would
take
please
in
the
January
meeting.
So
before
the
end
of
January.
Those
those
positions
would
be
voted
upon.
B
So
if,
if
for
whatever
reason,
Rick
brought
up
a
good
situation
with
election
being
an
election
year-
and
you
know
he
said
what
happens
if
you
had
a
new
mirror,
you
know
maybe
that
new
mirror
would
need
a
little
more
time,
but
by
the
end
of
January
by
the
second
meeting
in
January.
All
these
standing
committees
would
be
pulled
at
the
point.
G
G
You
know
within
that
the
next
week
after
the
getting
certified
in
an
election
wow
which
would
be
contrary
to
what
we've
been
doing
here
forever
and
I
personally,
don't
think
that's
a
very
good
idea.
I,
don't
know
that
it
has
a
chance
of
passing,
but
anyway
there,
for
whatever
reason
they
decided
they
want
to
Tinker
with
that
as
well.
I.
D
B
I'll
tell
you
one
thing:
if
they're,
if
they
want
to
talk
about
something,
I've,
never
understood
why
mayoral
elections
or
Municipal
elections
are
off
your
election.
I
mean
I,
understand
why?
But
you
never
have
a
big
turnout.
I
mean
you,
you
get
20
turn
up,
but
you
know
you
can't
vote
when
the
governor's
up
or
the
presidents
of
U.S,
senator
or
whatever
state
representative,
and
it's
cropped
that
way
across
the
country.
You
know
never.
A
You
know
I
mean
part
part
of
the
issue
with
that
I
can
just
kind
of
speak
to
it
is
the
down
ballot
fatigue
that
happens
with
people
where,
even
if
you
had
a
higher
turnout
in
an
election,
you
see
the
vote
totals
drop
off
as
people
have
to
page
over
on
the
electronics
machines
to
get
to
the
lower
races.
So
it
really
doesn't
you
get
a
higher
turnout,
but
you
may
end
up
with
a
similar
number
of
votes,
as
you
do,
especially
during
like
a
mayoral
election
year.
A
A
G
B
A
Yeah,
but
as
to
the
other,
we
didn't
vote
on
councilmember
waring's
proposal
for
the
introduction
of
the
mayor's
slate
of
chairs
and
committee
appointments
and
I.
Don't
think
we
directed
it
legal
to
come
up
with
that
language
either
to
add
in
there.
So
we
could
go
back
and
just
make
sure
we
have.
That
stated,
and
we
can
vote
on
that
as
well.
B
A
Then
can
be
voted
on
no
later
than
the
second
meeting
in
January
yeah.
That
I
don't
know
if
you
jumped
on
yet
remember.
We
were
saying
you
know,
essentially
the
holidays
kind
of
knock
out
two
weeks
there
with
Christmas
and
New
Year's,
so
it
effectively
gives
a
month
for
if
people
want
to
talk
to
you
or
talk
to
each
other
about
moving
stuff
and
slotting
around
they
have
a
month
to
do
it.
A
That's
not
taken
up
with
just
the
holidays
and
that
that
feels
fair
to
me,
and
so
is
there
a
second
for
council
member
wearing's
motion
I'll.
Second,
okay,
it
has
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
that
the
mayor's
recommendations
for
Council
chairs
and
committee
appointments
would
be
introduced
at
the
the
second
council
meeting
in
December,
our
first
counseling.
Yes,.
A
B
One
last
one
last
thing:
discussion
on
that
I,
don't
know
whether
should
be
a
second
motion
or
not,
but
is
this
procedurally
about
the
chairperson
voting,
the
creative
tie,
I
just
I,
don't
think
and
the
Committees
we
should
have.
That
idea
is
to
move
it
forward
to
the
body
at
large
I
think
it
keeps
things
from
being
boggled
up
in
committee
now.
A
The
only
thing
that
I
feel
kind
of
cautioned
about
is
you
would
be
restricting
another
Council
member's
ability
to
vote
in
the
manner
in
which
they've,
you
know
essentially
been
elected,
can
vote.
So
if
they
wanted
to
vote
no
on
something
in
committee,
we're
now
restricting
that
ability
or
vote
Yes
on
something
a
committee
we're
now
restricting
that
ability.
You.
B
A
B
May
have
a
point
when
you
think
about
it.
The
recommendation
was
a
tie.
You
know,
so
it
still
comes
forward
to
the
full
body.
So
maybe
it
doesn't
stay
Bogle
up
in
committee
when
it
reports
out
every
report
that
the
vote
was
three
to
three
right.
It
still
comes
to
the
floor,
so
let
me
withdraw
that
them.
B
A
A
There
is
the
idea
in
Robert's
Rules
of
Order.
It's
called
a
discharge
petition
is
the
formal
name
for
it,
which
is
that
if
you
want
a
committee,
if
something
did
get
bogged
down
in
committee,
a
majority
of
the
full
body
can
vote
to
take
away
the
purview
of
the
committee
on
that
one
particular
item
to
bring
It
Forward
for
full
consideration.
A
So
the
rules,
the
Roberts
rules,
already
kind
of
have
the
ability
to
to
pull
something
out
if
we
needed
to
so
so
we
have
the
motion
on
the
floor
for
the
appointments
that
come
in
December
first
meeting
in
December,
we
voted
on
no
later
the
second
meeting
in
January.
Is
there
any
further
discussion,
yeah
all
right
hearing,
none
I'm,
gonna
call
the
question.
B
A
Those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
no
opposed
all
right.
I
would
like
to
move
on
we
kind
of
jumped
around
a
little
bit
but
to
move
to
the
last
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
to
review,
update
and
approve
the
Rules
of
Order.
We
did
already
make
one
update
to
that
with
the
five
council
member,
no
more
than
five
council
members
on
any
standing
committee.
F
F
A
couple
of
housekeeping
items
one
was
under
2-36
and
it's
related
to
our
away
meetings.
I
wanted
to
change
the
language
or
just
tweak
it
to
say
that
the
regular
meetings
of
council
will
be
held
in
City
Hall,
except
that
Council
will
and
then
add,
in
the
words
mate
best
efforts
to
hold
four
regular
meetings
at
alternate
locations
within
the
city
limits.
Only
because
I
know
like
with
covet
in
2020.
We
weren't
able
to
do
that
and
then
also
last
year.
F
G
F
A
The
screen
so
Regular
Music
Council
will
be
held
in
City
Hall,
except
that
Council
and
then
this
is
where
I
would
say.
May
at
its
discretion
hold
for
four
meetings
at
alternate
locations
within
the
city
limits,
and
then
that
gives
us
the
flexibility
of
you
know.
Sometimes,
we've
had
locations
become
unavailable,
sometimes
on
occasions
that
we've
wanted
to.
C
A
A
F
Yes,
sir,
under
a
call
to
order
order
of
business,
we
just
need
to
rearrange
some
of
the
items
that
are
listed
in
there.
This
sort
of
lists
out
the
order
of
our
Council
agendas,
the
reading
of
the
Journal
of
the
previous
meeting.
That
should
actually
be
number
two,
because
it
comes
before
citizens
participation.
So
we
would
just
be
swapping
two
and
three
and
then
number
six
reports
or
communication
from
City
officers
or
boards.
We
need
to
strike
that
because
we
actually
don't
have
a
section,
a
separate
section
for
that.
B
A
A
D
A
F
And
so
it
may
be
difficult
for
council
members
who
want
to
attend
those
workshops
to
actually
be
able
to
do
that
in
person.
And
so
we
just
need
to
make
sure
we
have
that
covered
in
the
code.
It's
actually
not
a
part,
it's
not
in
the
rules
of
order,
but
that's
something
that
the
rules
committee
might
want
to
consider
at
a
future
meeting.