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City of Charleston Council Meeting - November 27, 2018
A
B
C
C
D
B
Thank
you
very
much
if
I
may
start
with
just
a
few
announcements.
First
of
all,
particularly
for
those
who
are
here
for
the
first
time
in
the
most
unlikely
event
that
we
needed
to
evacuate
the
chambers.
These
are
the
two
exit
doors
right
here
in
front
of
me.
The
room
to
my
right
also
has
an
exit
to
work
in
the
event
that
were
to
occur.
Please
do
not
use
the
elevator
but
use
the
two
stairs
going
down
to
the
first
floor
and
then
the
one
stairway
out
the
front
door.
B
B
Secondly,
I
wanted
to
welcome
back
to
the
fold
of
city,
employee,
miss
Tracey,
McKee
Tracey
once
and
up
over
here
and
maybe
come
forward
so
I.
Thank
you.
All
the
council
members
know
Tracey.
She
used
to
work
for
the
city
in
our
IT
department
as
a
head
of
our
GIS,
and
she
got
hired
away
to
become
the
chief
of
data
officer
for
Baltimore
and
we've
reeled
her
back
to
Charleston,
so
glad
to
have
Tracy
back
she's,
going
to
be
the
special
assistant
to
the
mayor,
mr.
B
B
She
was
a
really
grand
woman
and
served
on
the
City
Council
right
here
for
two
terms
in
the
late
70s
and
early
80s
and
I
was
talking
with
Mayor
Riley
over
the
weekend
and
he
shared
what
what
what
a
delight
and
how
thoughtful
and
and
gracious
my
mother
was,
as
she
served
on
City
Council,
serving
our
citizens
I'm,
so
proud
of
the
heritage.
Frankly,
it's
part
of
what
inspired
me
to
become
involved
in
city
government
was
her
leadership
and
and
her
role
model
that
she
was
for
me
so
anyway.
B
B
B
F
Smiles
for
Christmas
is
an
organization
that
I
run
and
so
I
asked
for
donations
from
basically
family
friends
and
local
businesses,
and
so
I
decided
to
ask
you
this
year,
and
so
so.
Basically,
I
box,
like
toys,
clothes
and
like
well
say
like
toothbrushes
and
toothpaste,
use
and
like
I
forgot.
The
word
is
it
called.
A
A
B
Good
luck!
This
year
in
the
campaign,
oh
and
one
other
announcement
and
y'all
yeah
yeah.
Where
do
you
send
the
donations
to
let's
see
I've
got
the
letter
here,
two
smiles
for
Christmas
the
address
is
1020
Briar
Rose
Lane,
Ladson,
South
Carolina,
two,
nine,
four,
five,
six
I'll
say
it
again:
ten
twenty
Briar
Rose
Lane
lats
in
South,
Carolina,
two,
nine,
four,
five
six.
There
we
go.
B
Thank
you
very
much
so
on
one
other
announcement,
y'all
probably
may
have
seen
that
I
think
on
Friday
there,
the
our
federal
administration
released
a
report
that
I
have
not
read
yet,
but
it's
about
climate
change
and
unfortunately
the
picture
is
not
very
pretty
for
looking
down
just
a
few
decades
out
and
we're
already
experiencing
that
with
sea
level
rise,
we're
seeing
the
results
of
that
in
Charleston,
South
Carolina.
We
saw
it
again
this
past
weekend,
so
mr.
B
Bloomberg,
who
helps
us
in
many
initiatives
in
Charleston,
helped
to
produce
a
movie
called
Paris
to
Pittsburgh,
and
he
is
sponsoring
a
free
showing
of
this
documentary.
Next
Monday
night,
seven
o'clock
we're
having
it
at
the
Gilyard.
The
public
is
invited
there.
Invitations
on
the
council's
desk,
but
also
at
the
sign
and
table,
but
you
do
need
to
RSVP,
there's
no
charge,
but
they
are
a
limited
number
of
seats.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
come
and
see
Paris
to
Pittsburgh
next
Monday
night,
it's
it's
for
free
now!
B
Next,
we
have
public
hearings,
I
think
we
have
about
eight
nine
of
them
tonight
and
if
I
could
ask
the
public
to.
Please
keep
your
remarks
to
two
minutes
and
on
point
to
the
matter
at
hand.
The
first
public
hearing
is
an
ordinance
establishing
the
church,
Creek
drainage,
redevelopment
project
area
and
I.
Don't
know
if
mr.
Lindsay
has
any
preliminary
remarks
or
presentation
he's
going
to
make
about
this.
We.
G
Really
have
no
other
than
to
say
that
this
is
the
public
hearing
associated
with
the
creation
of
the
church,
Creek
tax,
increment
finance
district,
which
you
all
reviewed
two
months
ago,
the
purpose
of
which
is
only
to
invest
in
enhancements.
That
would
help
to
mitigate
flooding
in
the
church,
Creek
Basin
all.
B
H
So
doesn't
make
a
public
comment
under
this
talk
kind
of
an
enabler
neck
and
all
the
amendments
been
attack
since
1999
regarding
the
mana
before
us,
for
the
record
before
I
state,
my
name
and
and
whatever
is
under
the
Fourth
Circuit
Court
of
Appeals
case
number
1,
a
2
3,
7,
3
websites,
federal
components
within
this
particular
granite
area,
and
also
s18
264,
which
deals
with
the
issue
of
public
safety,
public
health
and
other
issues
for
the
record.
Bryan
versus
the
IRS.
Take
that
so
so
again,
this
is
the
beginning
of
something
new.
H
No,
this
is
beginning
of
something
old.
When
your
annex
into
the
city
of
Charleston,
the
counties
areas
did
not
live
up
to
its
end
of
the
deal.
Okay,
the
plan
of
Emax
is
1999,
so
this
is
not
evenly
a
real
issue
for
the
city's
issue
for
the
state
and
federal
government
to
find
the
money
to
deal
with
this
issue,
and
we
hope
that
the
federal
and
state
government
deal
with
this
issue.
It's
not
an
issue
for
a
city
or
a
county
to
deal
with
on
its
own
or
even
partner
in
any
kind
of
way.
H
I
Leah
Farrell
with
the
Preservation
Society
of
Charleston.
We
support
this
plan
and
we're
very
encouraged
by
the
effort
to
remedy
the
errors
made
in
the
church,
Creek
Basin.
We
believe
this
is
a
great
step
forward.
We
would
just
like
to
note
that
the
redevelopment
plan
principles
in
the
ordinance
should
be
applied
citywide.
I
We
of
course
know
that
there
is
not
enough
money
to
fix
all
of
our
past
discretions,
but
surely
we
could
be
proactive
and
formalized
policies
citywide,
as
this
plan
proposes,
to
protect
and
restore
wetlands
and
best
and
improve
drainage
systems
and
establish
water,
smart
parks,
let's
preserve
our
historic
buildings
and
community
character,
not
our
antiquated
development
practices.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
J
Good
evening
mayor
Tec,
Limburg
members
of
City
Council,
my
name
is
Betty
LaForce
I'm,
the
communities
and
transportation
project
manager
with
the
coastal
conservation
league.
The
conservation
league
is
in
full
support
of
the
creation
of
the
TIF
district
for
the
church,
Creek
drainage
basin
area
that
is
in
such
need
of
infrastructure
improvements.
J
Establishing
this
TIF
district
is
an
opportunity
to
apply
one
of
several
available
funding
mechanisms
to
address
and
finance
drainage
infrastructure
and
advance.
The
vision
of
the
plan
laid
out
for
the
revitalization
of
West
Ashley
as
the
area
grows
over
the
next
25
years.
Utilizing
creative
financing
life
like
TIF
districts
will
be
an
important
way
to
finance
projects
that
are
so
needed
in
order
to
capture
the
greatest
amount
of
potential
of
revenue
within
the
TIF
boundaries.
J
We
would
encourage
you
to
consider
incorporating
the
entire
commercial
district
of
long
savanah,
as
well
as
the
existing
commercial
corridor,
around
Ashley
River
Road
from
B's
Ferry
to
526,
where
there
are
several
older,
existing
strip
plazas
that
will
likely
be
redeveloped
in
the
coming
years,
as
opposed
to
relying
on
new
development
alone,
much
of
which
is
located
in
really
swampy
areas.
Even
though,
not
necessarily
in
the
designated
floodplain,
a
lot
of
the
proposed
existing
boundaries
are
within
extremely
swampy
area,
so
we
appreciate
you
taking
that
into
consideration
and
again,
a
very
supportive
of
this
plan.
B
You
very
much
would
anyone
else
like
to
be
heard
on
this
map.
Hearing
on
it
comes
from
for
Council
I
would
like
to
report
to
Council
excuse
me.
I
would
like
to
report
to
Council
that
thankfully
Charleston
County
agreed
to
become
a
part
of
the
district,
so
between
the
city
and
the
county
that
enables
us
to
have
some
real
funding
out
of
the
TIF
district.
B
We'd
have
to
go
back
to
him
for
approval
again.
We
don't
want
to
do
that,
but
after
five
years
of
the
projected
development,
the
the
TIF
district
would
generate
about
a
million
eight
per
year
after
ten
years.
We
we
believe
it
would
generate
the
TIF
district
about
2.4
million
per
year
and,
of
course,
as
soon
as
we
get
to
that
point,
I
think
five
years
from
now
is
generating
over
a
million
dollars
a
year.
We'll
be
able
to
bond
to
raise
some
real
funds
to
be
able
to
pay.
B
For
some
of
these
projects
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
wait
to
to
get
projects
going.
We
can.
If
we
had
the
money,
we
can
spend
the
money
on
a
project
and
then,
when
we
get
the
financing
from
the
TIF
district,
we
can
pay
ourselves
back
and
then
spend
that
money
somewhere
else
for
another
drainage
project.
So
it's
all
money
that
will
be
dedicated
a
hundred
percent
to
drainage
improvements.
B
With
the
with
the
bonding
capacity,
we
should
be
able
to
generate
twenty
five
million
dollars
over
time
for
drainage
improvements
in
the
church,
Creek
Basin,
which
we're
all
we
all
know
we're
looking
for
ways
to
pay
for
these
expensive
stormwater
improvements,
and-
and
this
is
one
way
to
do
it-
they
have
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
any
further
discussion.
Councilmember
Griffin.
K
Don't
know
if
y'all
been
out
there
lately,
but
it
takes
me
an
hour
and
a
half
to
drive
five
miles
in
the
morning
and
just
as
long
to
get
home
at
night.
So
we
have
a
serious
problem
there
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
about
how
we
fund
this
thing
is,
you
know,
I'm
all
for
us
using
the
money
from
the
TIF
to
pay
us
back
for
projects,
but
we've
got
to
start
on
these
projects
immediately.
K
We
already
have
you
know,
I
want
to
see
that
happen,
but
you
know
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
about
saying.
Oh
well,
we'll
use
the
TIF
money
to
pay
to
pay
back,
and
then
you
zip
up
the
money
somewhere
else,
because
you
know
everybody
that
lives
in
that
area
is
a
valued
resident
of
the
City
of
Austin,
just
as
valued
as
downtown
and
there's
been
plenty
of
projects
that
have
had
high
price
tags
where
we
haven't
had
to
reimburse
for
a
project
and
I.
K
Don't
want
that
to
be
the
case,
because
these
people
are
hardworking
Charlestonians
that
pay
a
lot
of
tax
money
and
they've
lived
in
this
area
for
a
long
time
and
it's
been
neglected.
So
it's
about
time
we
stepped
up
and
did
something
for
this
area,
and
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
us
to
get
in
the
state
of
mind
that
that
they
feel
like
we
should
have
to
pay
pay
the
city
back
for
the
help,
because
a
lot
of
these
problems
we've
created
and
it's
time
for
us
to
go
in
there
and
fix
them.
Thank.
B
E
Sir,
that
was
the
point.
I
wanted
to
be
clear.
You
said
in
the
church
Creek
drainage
basin.
My
understanding
is
that
if
you
generate
money
within
a
tip
the
purple
area,
it
has
to
be
spent
within
that
area
and
those
are
specific
tax
by
numbers,
those
pieces
of
property.
Now
you
might
go
out
of
that
a
little
bit
to
benefit
that
area.
I
guess
my
question
is:
can
you
go
really
outside
of
that
and
still,
but
how
far?
B
I've
asked
mr.
death
authority
to
answer
the
question.
I
will
say:
I
know
that
the
language
says
proximate
to
the
district,
so
it
doesn't
don't
have
to
be
exactly
in
one
of
these
pink
areas.
You
can
be
nearby
but
I.
Think
the
language
of
this
ordinance
allows
improvements
to
the
basin
if
I
may,
but.
E
L
In
the
context
of
drainage,
as
I
understand
drainage,
it
doesn't
pay
attention
to
boundaries,
so
it's
conceivable
that
some
amount
of
acreage
adjacent
to,
but
certainly
nearby
the
boundaries
of
this
district,
an
improvement
to
drainage
efforts
they
are,
would
benefit
out
flow
in
flow.
Whatever
the
drainage
terms
are
to
this
specific
district,
you
couldn't
go
ten
miles
away
and
do
something
that
has
no
tangential
or
a
real
benefit
to
this
TIF
district.
L
But
neither
are
you
required
if
you
have
a
project
that
would
take
you
outside
the
specific
boundaries
where
you
have
to
finish
a
large
drainage
basin
or
whatever
it
might
be.
You
can
spend
money
outside
of
these
specific
boundaries,
but
that
expenditure
has
to
accrue
to
the
specific
benefit
of
this
TIF
district
yeah.
E
I
guess
that
was
my
point:
if
you've
got
water
coming
down,
say
through
shadow
moss
through
the
creek
there
through
the
Church
Creek
Basin,
and
you
want
to
solve
that
it
could
you
spend
the
money
out
of
this
TIF
to
say,
divert
that
flow
of
water
to
the
Ashley
River.
You
know
up
at
the
top
of
the
basin
with
something
like
that.
I.
L
Don't
understand
the
science
well
enough,
but
conceivably
and
if
any,
if
any
such
expenditure
were
made
that
has
to
be
approved
by
City
Council.
It
has
to
come
back
to
City
Council
and
be
approved.
I
can
give
you
an
example.
There
was
a
pocket
park,
I
think
in
front
of
meminger
that
was
adjacent
to
the
King
Street
gateway
and
when
manager
was
fixed
up
so
nicely
that
intersection.
Where
you
come
in
to
about
that
three
ways.
You
come
into
the
area
in
front
of
memory.
L
So
in
this
example,
councilmember
moody,
if
City
Council
in
the
future,
were
asked
to
spend
somebody
outside
of
the
TIF
related
to
drainage
improvements
that
benefit
this
district.
It
would
have
to
come
back
to
City
Council
and
then
notice
that
that
action
would
have
to
be
given
to
the
county
in
this
instance.
Since
it's
the
other
participating
political
subdivision,
yeah.
E
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
might
be
able
to
affect
this.
For
example,
if
we
had
some
property
in
shadow
malls
like
we've,
just
bought
these
houses,
if
we
could
use
this
money
to
say,
reclaim
some
of
this
property
that
that's
flooding
all
the
time
that
that
may
could
that
be
used
for
that,
because
it
would
benefit
the
babies
at
if,
if
you
created
a
retention
pond
there.
So
if.
B
M
B
A
B
M
N
A
question
mr.
mayor,
mr.
Morgan
law
is
here
first
off
those
are
you're
here
for
a
public
hearing.
We
may
not
be
changing
the
zoning
on
this,
not
we're
going
back.
We
may
consider
it
right.
Thank
you.
Secondly,
why
is
this?
The
FERC?
You
know
I
mean
it's
he's
been
kicking
around
for
a
while.
The
applicant.
O
O
Guess
so,
this
is
at
the
corner
of
Cannon
Street
and
Ashley
Avenue.
It's
a
historic
house
residents,
one
of
the
largest
in
the
area
over
there
in
that
neighborhood,
and
the
request
is
to
go
from
the
dr2
zoning
district
at
present
to
a
limited
business
to
allow
for
commercial
use
in
the
property
for
diversity
of
uses
for
a
property
sale.
And
you
see
some
of
the
images
of
the
property
there.
B
O
All
right-
and
this
is
property
owned
by
the
city
of
Charleston,
its
portions
of
three
parcels
at
Hanover,
Lee,
Nassau
and
Aiken.
This
is
property
that
is
targeted
for
affordable
housing
and
RFP,
and
it
is
effort
to
make
it
more
conducive
for
that
development.
It's
taking
it
from
the
old
sitting,
height
district
for
meaning
four
stories
to
the
old
city
in
height
district,
five,
meaning
it
would
have
an
allowance
for
five
stories
if
the
property
is
again
in
the
northern
areas
of
the
Eastside
meeting.
Street
is
over
here
to
the
left.
O
The
Housing
Authority
is
already
building
some
affordable
housing
in
this
location.
Here
the
park
across
the
street
is
here
with
the
Martin
Luther
King
Poole
and
South
Carolina
State
is
going
to
have
a
facility
over
here.
So
it's
in
the
center
of
a
lot
of
different
things
and
both
staff
and
Planning
Commission
recommend
for
approval
at
this
height
district
change
would.
P
B
O
There's
a
very
small
portion
of
the
corner
of
line
Street
and
coming
it
is
a
traditional
corner
store
here
is
the
image.
This
is
a
neighborhood
right
now,
that's
mostly
dr2
F
Canberra
Elliott
Borough.
Here's
coming
street
going
north
line
street
moving
east
west.
In
that
location,
we've
got
some
images
of
the
building
again.
Aerial
image
and
a
very
traditional
corner
store
looking
structure,
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
these
over
the
last
couple
of
years
that
have
gone
to
the
commercial
transitional
district,
which
houses
other
corner
stores
in
the
neighborhood.
O
B
O
This
is
property
295,
calhoun
street,
it's
directly
across
from
River
Hospital.
It's
on
the
northern
end
of
Alberta
long
lake
in
this
location
on
the
eastern
side
is
Berry
Street.
There
are
some
other
facilities
that
Roper
owns
over
here
to
the
left
that
are
about
to
be
demolished.
We
have
some
images
here
of
the
property
you
can
see.
It
is
in
the
urban
core
of
our
comprehensive
plan.
That's
why
we
would
recommend
for
the
rezoning
in
this
location,
because
it
is
urban
core
corresponds
with
the
MU
one
workforce,
housing
request.
O
The
aerial
image
shows
the
property
free.
It
currently
houses
a
vacant,
MUSC
medical
building
and
some
surface
parking,
and
we've
got
a
tighter
view
of
it
here
and
another
aerial,
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
other
side
and
street
view
in
this
location.
Here
and
again,
staff
and
Planning
Commission
recommend
approval
of
the
rezoning
to
the
MU
one
workforce.
Housing
would.
Q
Good
evening,
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
tonight.
We
are
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
MUSC
tonight
as
represented
for
them
here.
We
are
excited
to
be
involved
with
this
wonderful
piece
of
property
and
to
bring
housing
on
to
the
medical
district
Charleston
with
we
have
appreciated
working
with
staff
and
support
we
received
and
the
support.
We
received
full
support
at
Planning
Commission,
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration
tonight
and
appear
to
answer
any
questions.
You
may
have
I'm
sorry
Jason
long
television.
Thank
you.
Thank
You,.
N
Stinking
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
this
is
a
piece
of
property,
as
you
know,
that's
in
the
very
northernmost
portion
of
my
district,
it's
at
the
head
of
Long
Lake.
The
development
team
did
come
and
see
me
about
this
about
how
long
now,
probably
about
six
or
seven
months
ago-
and
we
talked
about
it
just
to
give
a
little
historical
context
on
what's
happened
to
this
property
in
the
last
year
when
we
went
through
all
of
our
zoning
amendments
and
we
went
to
height
phase
zoning,
this
originally
in
the
height
Maps
was
at
45
feet.
N
It
was
the
very
last
piece
of
property
it
stepped
down
across
the
street
from
the
Ronald
McDonald
House.
It
was
45
feet.
We
actually
upped
it
at
the
very
last
minute,
the
last
amendment
to
go
to
85
feet
recognizing
it
was
in
that
hospital
corridor
there
and
there
would
be
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
go
in
there.
N
The
North
End
of
Long
Lake
has
been
subject
to
a
lot
of
conversation
long
before
the
current
group
who's
going
to
develop
this
came
along.
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
access
to
the
North
End
of
Long
Lake
for
pedestrian
and
bikes,
and
all
that
does
that
Simmons
to
talk
about
putting
a
road
through
there
I
think
we
finally
given
up
on
that.
Haven't
we
putting
a
road
there
connecting
for
Street
anyway,
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on.
This
is
a
zoning
that
we
have
approved.
N
It's
a
good
zoning
I've
spoken
with
the
developer.
The
problem
I've
got
and
I'm
gonna
ask
for
deferral
before
you
all
groan,
because
this
is
gonna
be
a
big
density
on
a
small
part
of
Carlson
Village,
and
they
just
don't
know
about
this.
This
came
on
our
agenda
on
Wednesday
night
before
Thanksgiving.
This
is
now
Tuesday
after
Thanksgiving
I
got
to
go
talk
to
the
people
who
live
on
that
end
to
let
them
know
that
they're
about
to
get
an
85
foot
height
district
with
a
fairly
dense,
an
intial
project
on
there.
N
That's
gonna
have
added
traffic
burdens
and
they
just
need
a
chance
to
be
heard
on
that.
So
to
those
of
you
are
here,
this
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
opposed
to
this
I'm
going
out
campaigning
against
it.
I
just
got
to
bring
this
as
a
members
of
Paulsen
village.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
my
fellow
council
members
to
defer
just
for
one
time,
so
I
can
spend
the
next
two
weeks
making
sure
that
everyone
knows
what's
going
on
and
if
there
are
any
questions
specifically
about
traffic
and
about
that
North
End
of
Long
Lake.
N
N
It's
a
good
question
that
whole
square
for
there
has
been
somewhat
of
an
interesting
history.
You
may
recall
we
actually
Ruiz
owned
the
very
left
of
western
portion
by
4th
Street,
it's
actually
in
the
accommodations
overlay.
There
was
a
plan
between
Roper
and
MUSC
to
build
a
parking
garage
and
wrap
it
with
an
accommodation
to
service
patients,
families
at
Roper
and
st.
Francis.
We
zoned
it
up.
They
were
ready
to
go
and
then
that
project
went
by
the
wayside.
Since
then,
you
know,
then
we
had
some
economic
issues
coming
around
here.
N
The
the
properties
have
set
vacant.
But
if
you
look
specifically
at
this
property
that
will
talk
about
the
access
point
in
and
out
of
that
there
will
not
be
a
krob
cut
on
Calhoun
Street.
You
can't
get
in
and
off
for
the
Calhoun
Street
it's
you
know:
15
20
thousand
cars
a
second
over
there,
you
just
can't
get
in
and
out
of
there,
so
Halsey
Boulevard
is
going
to
be
the
access
point.
One
at
one
point
at
some
point:
we're
gonna
have
to
talk
about
just
so
y'all
know
just
to
sort
of
answer.
N
Your
question
councilmember
wearing
the
second
two
lots
to
the
left
to
the
West
4th
Street
stops.
4Th
Street
actually
does
not
connect
to
Lockwood
Boulevard
for
reasons
that
no
one
can
actually
explain.
It
still
shows
that
it
goes
through,
but
literally
one
night,
someone
came
a
block
4th
Street
off
and
you
can't
get
through.
So
as
that
area
gets
developed
and
it
will
get
developed
because
we've
made
it
high,
it's
got
zone
well,
it
will
have
zoning
on
it.
I
think
the
zoning
will
go
through
to
have
some
residential
there.
N
I,
don't
know
what
Roper
is
gonna
do
with
those
properties.
I
know
they
want
to
do
something
with
them.
I'd
love
to
see
them
be
medical
office,
but
you
know
we'll
see
how
that
all
goes,
but
this
is
a
large
parcel
with
85
feet
on
it.
What's
the
density
that
we
can
put
on
there
I
mean
it's
a
bunch
of
units
with.
R
Can't
follow
up
on
that.
It
was
the
transportation
question
and
I
guess
the
circulation
of
what
will
be
built
there,
in
conjunction
with
other
parcels
that
you
may
have
mention
it.
I,
don't
think
we
ought
to
be
in
a
vacuum
on
that
I
to
one
developer.
I
think
a
plan
needs
to
be
put
in
place
that
makes
sense,
and
now
with
it,
traffic
vehicular
traffic
I.
N
Totally
agree:
well
we'll
look
at
the
curb
cuts,
but
again
I
mean
the
access
from
Calhoun.
Street
is
limited
to
almost
non-existent
up
there
and
we
have
the
added
benefit
and
joy
of
that
area.
Floods
like
crazy.
Now,
thanks
to
mr.
Newell,
we
have
a
check
valve
along
there.
That
actually
is
working,
so
the
flooding
has
really
been
reduced
significantly,
although
on
Saturday
and
Sunday
it
was
pretty
bad
at
there.
B
O
Okay
item
6
is
a
rezoning
at
the
ashen
property
in
West
Ashley
off
of
Old
Town
Road,
where
PRC
is
doing
their
new
park
to
the
rear.
This
is
property
that
would
be
used
by
the
Lowcountry
Open
Land
Trust
for
an
office,
and
the
request
is
to
go
from
SR
1,
which
is
the
base
zoning
of
all
the
property
there
to
a
general
office,
which
is
essentially
just
an
office.
Zoning
there's
some
images
here
that
show
where
the
property
is
in
relation
to
the
rest
of
County
Park
back
here.
O
Our
fire
station
is
here
out
in
front.
The
idea
is
that
you
don't
really
even
see
the
office
that
would
be
on
the
site.
It
would
be
back
in
the
middle
of
the
trees
and
would
be
a
very
low-key
office
for
the
locum
Lowcountry,
open
land
trust,
both
staff
and
Planning
Commission
recommend
approval
of
the
rezoning
would.
S
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
members,
council,
my
name
is
James
Wilson
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Lowcountry
land.
Trust
will
here
just
to
answer
questions,
but
the
just
what
I
would
add
to
what
mr.
Morgan
said
is
that
this
property
is
already
subject
to
a
conservation
easement
held
by
Historic
Charleston
foundation.
S
T
T
One
of
the
things
they
wanted
to
use
back
here
was
a
launch
for
kayaks
and
canoes,
and
so
the
people
at
West
Pawnee,
which
is
close
to
this
very
much
in
opposition
to
some
of
the
development
that
the
county
had
wanted
with
this
property.
But
talking
with
mr.
Wilson
earlier
today
that
there
are
restrictions
on
this
property,
so
it
can't
be
transferred
over
to
some
other
private
developer
or
private
use.
This
is
going
to
be
in
the
possession
of
the
open
land
trust
and
it's
four
acres,
a
blended
in
to
the
surrounding
area.
T
B
R
B
O
We
have
a
recently
annexed
property
that
would
be
zoned
in
the
city.
This
is
1621
Donnie
Lane
on
James
Island,
it's
almost
a
it's
about
a
half
acre
would
be
zoned
for
our
r1
rural
residential,
and
here
you
see
it
at
the
along
Donny
Lane
other
properties
that
are
already
in
the
city
across
the
street.
Both
staff
and
Planning
Commission
recommend
approval.
B
O
B
O
Then
this
ordinance
amendment
was
that
Planning
Commission
last
night,
Planning
Commission,
met
last
night
because
their
regular
meeting
date
was
the
day
before
Thanksgiving
and
at
their
meeting
last
night
they
deferred
action
on
this.
So
it's
coming
forward
without
a
recommendation
at
this
point
in
time
and
the
Planning
Commission
had
interest
in
talking
with
City
Council
about
this
issue
at
the
joint
Planning
Commission
City
Council
workshop
on
December
6th.
O
B
B
So
that's
all
of
our
public
hearings
and
next
is
approval
of
our
City
Council
number
of
minutes
only
of
October
23rd
we're
gonna,
defer,
November
13th
any
additions,
changes,
recommendations
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
any
opposed,
jion's
have
it.
So
next
is
our
citizens
participation
period
and
we've
got
a
whole
whole
lot
of
folks
here.
If
it's
not
enough,
we
got
over
60
people.
I
think
this
is
a
record.
B
So
we
we
normally
like
to
keep
our
our
citizens
participation
period
to
just
30
minutes
and
I
just
divided,
and
that
that
would
only
give
you
30
seconds
per
person,
which
is
pretty
short
and
I
I,
don't
know,
but
I
would
guess
that
many
of
you
are
here
about
similar
topics,
and
so
that
may
not
be
the
case.
But
so
if
you
hear
some
point,
that's
already
been
made,
you
might
just
think
about.
You
know
moving
on
to
a
different
point
or
angle
about
it.
B
I'm
gonna
allow
45
seconds
per
person
which
would
run
us
about
45
minutes
if
everybody
took
their
four
full
45
seconds
so,
but
I
think
that's
reasonable.
To
give
you
just
a
little
more
time,
but
I
would
just
advise
you
also.
You
have
to
state
your
name
and
address,
but
I
wouldn't
waste
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
you
know,
with
with
any
kind
of
chitchat,
just
get
right
to
the
point.
B
We've
got
45
seconds
and,
and
that
would
be
good,
so
madam
clerk
will
call
out
about
four
or
five
people
at
a
time
that
have
signed
up
in
y'all
just
queue
up
to
the
microphones.
We
don't
have
to
go
exactly
in
the
same
order
as
long
as
your
name
gets
called
out
in
the
batch
just
come
on
up.
Thank
you.
U
Evening,
Mohammed
a
dress
this
time
of
year
between
nine
new
years
a
whole
lot.
Our
people,
youth
growing
up,
would
be
killed,
kill
some
alcoholic
drinking.
So
we,
the
minister
against
drinking
alcohol,
is
acts
in
the
city
to
take
ABC
acts
the
whiskey
stones
to
take
ABC
off
their
stores,
because
we
are
teaching
our
children
to
learn
the
ABC
Family
place
ABC
on
the
whiskey
store,
then
lock
them
up
for
drunk
driver.
That's
a
shame
before
God.
V
One
of
the
things
that
we
ask
is
that
you
slow
down
and
actually
take
a
hard
look
at
this
ordinance
if
it
goes
into
effect,
you're
looking
at
each
retailer
spending
an
additional
sixty
to
upwards
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
will
be
passed
down
on
to
the
consumers
and
a
lot
of
consumers.
Nowadays
they
don't
have.
The
extra
money
example
would
be
like
my
mother-in-law.
You
know
she's
on
a
fixed
income
and
if
costs
were
passed
across
to
her,
she
wouldn't
have
the
extra
money
and
there's
other
options.
There's
bagger
training,
there's
recycling.
V
W
My
name
is
Jim
Nelson
I'm,
also
with
Nova
legs
from
Hartsville
South
Carolina
born
and
raised
in
South
Carolina
have
six
kids
living
in
South
Carolina
now
and
going
to
the
schools
here
just
to
back
up
what
she
said
really
look
at
the
information.
Cuz
plastic
bags
are
one
of
the
most
reusable
items
in
the
world
today.
We
all
use
them
for
gym
clothes
or
lunch
or
clean
up
after
our
pets.
Trance
cannery,
you
know,
receptacles
and
Nova.
W
Lakes
actually
has
two
of
the
largest
recycling
plants
in
the
world:
recycling
taking
all
kinds
of
plastic
film
bread
bags
bags
as
you
get
at
stores
film,
and
we
actually
take
that
product
and
recycle
it
and
reuse
it
to
make
bad
out
of
that.
So
we
have
a
complete
cycle
and
just
a
scale
to
consider
how.
B
W
X
Gary
Matthews
of
an
opposition
of
the
bag
ban
as
well.
One
of
the
items
you're
looking
at
going
to
is
like
a
reusable
bag,
and
we
first
look
at
that.
We
think:
hey.
That's
a
great
idea,
eliminate
plastic,
but
what
we
don't
know
is
that
over
upwards
of
probably
close
to
a
hundred
percent
of
these
are
made
in
Asia.
X
Asia
is
also
responsible
for
polluting
ninety
percent
of
the
waste
in
our
ocean,
Asia
and
Africa,
combined
together,
so
by
banning
single-use
plastic
bags
that
are
reusable
recyclable
and
has
plenty
of
advantages
to
the
environment,
you're,
killing
an
American
manufacturer,
you're,
killing,
American
jobs
and
you're
rewarding
Asia.
So
we'd
like
you
to
also
to
vote
no
and
or
at
least
for
this
and
gather
other
facts
on
it.
Thank
thank.
B
Y
Sir
good
evening,
I'm
Matt
C
home
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
American
progressive
Bag
Alliance.
We
represent
America's
manufacturers
and
recyclers
of
plastics
plastic
bags.
We've
submitted
testimony.
You've
got
all
that
I
just
want
to
leave
you
with
one
unintended
consequence
that
often
happens
with
ordinances.
Like
this
you'll
see
the
little
try
a
recycling
triangle
on
a
lot
of
film
paper.
Towel
over
wrap,
amazon
pouches,
it
says,
store,
take
back.
It
says,
drop
it
off
at
your
store.
Y
H
For
Fourth
Circuit
Court
of
Appeals
has
my
name
and
the
Fourth
Circuit
of
Richmond
a
freedom
of
speech.
Don't
come
free,
no
more!
You
got
a
lot
of
people
in
our
country.
Are
sellouts
they'll,
sell
they
don't
repeat
community
out
for
money.
That's
what
they're
concerned
about
getting
paid!
You
don't
care
about
black
folk
and
locate
about
the
own
interest,
so
they
sold
me
out,
made
me
recalculate
rent
and
what
now
so
I'm
happy
to
know
that
I
don't
run
from
nothing
and
nobody
in
the
country.
H
Z
I'm
James
Anthony
I
live
in
West
Ashley
I'm
here
to
urge
city
council
to
vote
for
the
environmentally-friendly
ordinances
here
at
the
last
meeting.
One
of
the
points
I
want
to
make
is
its
habitual
that
we
use
these
plastic
bags.
A
lot
of
us
do
not
think
about
it.
It's
just
an
unconscious
thing,
so
it
it's
going
to
require
an
organ
or
in
this
ordinance
to
change
the
behavior.
As
an
example,
the
very
next
day
after
the
or
the
meeting
I
went
into
CVS
and
pick
up.
Z
One
prescription
I
got
home
and
I
realized
I
had
a
plastic
bag
with
me.
Another
point
I
want
to
make
is
the
grocery
stores
have
these
plastic
recycling
I
have
a
good
friend
who
works
with
one
two
large
outlets
here
it
I
asked
him
what
happens
to
those
bags,
and
he
says
he
said
we
take
and
throw
them
in
the
dumpster
in
the
back.
AB
You
good
evening,
Michael
Shem
Tov,
thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
live
in
the
city
and
councilman
grease
district
very
proud
to
and
have
businesses
in
three
other
councils
around
men's
in
council,
Parsons
district,
so
I
come
as
a
citizen,
but
also
as
a
business
owner.
We
I
am
fully
in
favor
of
the
plastic
bag
ban
fully
in
favor
of
city
council
in
the
city,
taking
more
dramatic
steps
to
curb
our
environmental
impact.
AB
Nothing
is
a
big
deal
until
it
is
until
one
day
we
wake
up
and
there's
trash
on
our
beaches
or
something
like
Florida's
scene.
We
just
can't
turn
a
blind
eye
to
it.
I
think
that
what
you're
gonna
hear
tonight
is
a
bunch
of
citizens
who
came
on
their
time
who
are
not
getting
paid,
who
are
for
it
and
it
small
number
of
people
who
are
getting
paid
to
speak
against
it.
B
AC
Evening,
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Leah
Cola
bellow
I
own,
a
business
based
here
in
Charleston
at
16:30,
Meeting,
Street,
I'm,
also,
a
member
of
low
country.
Local
first
I
also
have
worked
in
ocean
conservation
in
the
last
12
years,
and
six
of
those
years
have
been
focused
on
marine
plastic
pollution.
No
doubt
that
tonight
you
will
hear
about
the
environmental
cost.
The
plastic
pollution,
so
I'd
like
to
speak
about
the
economic
costs
of
this
global
waste
crisis.
AC
Single-Use
plastic
items
that
appear
to
be
low,
cost
to
business
and
free
to
customers
actually
cost
quite
a
bit.
The
David
I
site
comes
from
cities
across
the
country
that
track
the
municipal
cost
of
single-use
plastic
residents
in
coastal
areas,
pay
almost
fifteen
dollars
per
person
and
overall
litter
clean
up
clean
up
costing
an
amount
can
amount
to
as
much
as
seventeen
cents
per
single-use
plastic
bags.
AC
Volunteers
that
clean
up
litter
would
cost
twenty-five
dollars
an
hour
here
in
Charleston
we
have
hundreds
of
cleanups
thousands
of
people's,
so
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
volunteer
time
that
the
city
doesn't
pay
in
cleanup
costs.
You
actually
benefit
from
that
time.
Cost
material
immersed
in
extracting
civil
use
classic
bags
from
the
scenery
cost
an
average
of
no
less
than
three
hundred
thousand
loads.
M
AC
AC
B
A
AE
Mark
nap,
these
fairy
and
Glenn
McConnell
light
got
fixed,
but
in
like
I
said
last
time
in
their
infinite
in
confidence,
they
didn't
bother
to
check
change
the
light
at
Ashley
circle.
So
now
the
traffic
backs
up
from
Ashley
circle
on
to
Glenn,
McConnell,
good
job,
guys
guy.
You
need
to
find
somebody
knows
what
they're
doing
plastic
bags.
Don't
think
enough,
you're
here
old
enough
to
remember
when
they,
the
tree
huggers
Rams
plastic
bags
down
our
throats
40
years
ago,
because
we
were
destroying
the
forests.
Here
we
go
again
same
old,
recycled
stuff.
AF
My
name
is
skip
Condon
I
own
triangle,
charm
bar
and
West
Ashley
I've,
been
in
the
restaurant
business
in
Charleston,
what's
instant
since
in
1982
I
was
born
here.
I
know
a
lot
about
the
city.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that
that
the
hospitality
industry
has
always
been
a
huge
supporter
for
the
city
of
Charleston.
Many
years
ago,
when
Mayor
Riley
and
then
City
Attorney,
Bill
Regan,
came
to
us
and
asked
us
to
support
a
hospitality
tax.
We
supported
it.
That's
up
to
2%.
AF
A
AA
AH
Hi,
my
name
is
Betty
and
I
am
eight
years
old,
and
this
is
my
brother
Luis
and
he
is
five
years
old.
With
some
friends
of
ours.
We
started
James
our
own
ocean
activists,
we
educate
other
children
about
plastic
pollution
and
our
ocean,
and
what
we
can
do
about
it.
We
have
collected
over
300
signatures
from
other
Charleston
children
who
are
dedicated
to
protecting
our
ocean.
We
acquired
to
help
call
parents
for
my
walk
to
buoyant.
AH
AH
AJ
AJ
AL
A
AM
AN
Yes,
sir
hello,
my
name
is
Rick
Crawford
I'm,
a
local
business
owner
angler
and
also
a
proud
new
father
and
I'm
deeply
concerned
about
the
impact
plastic
pollution
is
having
on
our
fishery
and
just
want
to
fully
support
this
plastic
bag
band
and
I'm
gonna
take
off
because
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
my
daughter,
Thanks.
Thank
you.
AO
Hello,
I'm,
Alena,
bougas
I
live
on
Jane's
Island
I'm,
a
marine
biologist
supporting
a
local
business
here
in
Charleston
during
my
time
at
the
College
of
Charleston,
I
studied
micro,
plastics
and
I
would
like
to
just
reiterate
the
crazy
impact
that
plastics
are
having
on
our
marine
life
and
human
health.
I'd
like
to
just
reiterate
that
during
my
studies,
I
studied
zooplankton
grass,
shrimp,
oysters
sand
samples
and
water
samples
and
found
micro,
plastics
and
all
of
these
samples,
and
these
come
from
larger
pieces
of
plastic.
AO
AQ
Hi
I'm
dr.
Alma
del
Smith
I'm,
a
psychologist
at
Medical
Center
I,
want
to
speak
first
the
urgency
of
this
problem
for
our
future
I'm,
a
new
brand
new
grandmother,
I
remember
when
we
didn't
have
plastic
bags
and
also
the
times
maybe
I
was
a
tree
hugger,
but
I
always
carry
my
bags
to
the
store,
and
the
second
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was,
as
a
psychologist,
I
know
that
people
can
change.
Many
people
say
it's
going
to
be
too
much
trouble.
AQ
AR
AR
Z
AS
Mayor
members
of
council,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Andrew
wonderly
I'm,
your
Charleston
Waterkeeper.
We
do
a
ton
of
cleanups
I've,
never
seen
a
representative
from
Nova
Lex
or
from
the
American
progressive
bag
Alliance
at
one
of
our
cleanups.
If
they
were
to
come
to
one
of
these
cleanups,
here's
some
of
the
material
that
they
would
find,
and
now
these
numbers
come
directly
from
the
citadel's
research,
dr.,
John,
Weinstein
and
hope
works,
63,000,
397
phone
cups
plates
and
to-go
containers,
twenty
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
three
plastic
bags.
AS
Thirteen
thousand
and
twenty
two
straws
all
called:
there's
seven
tons
of
that
material
out
there.
All
that
data
comes
from
the
National
Beach
sweep
reverse
sweep
organized
by
DNR
and
Sea
Grant,
and
it's
entirely
consistent
with
my
experience
in
the
water.
This
is
a
smart
resonance
and
it's
designed
to
get
after
the
type
of
materials
that
can't
be
recycled
in
your
blue
roll
carts
and
for
which
time.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
Evening
my
name
is
Jack
Nicholson
Elvin,
st.
Margaret
Street
and
Wagner
Terrace
I
support
the
ordinance
and
I
went
to
the
Wagner
Terrace
neighborhood
association
after
I
learned
that
Dourdan
said
that
passed
the
first
round,
and
everyone
agreed
that
we
want
this
ordens
to
pass.
I
went
and
called
at
least
30
different
small
businesses
over
this
past
weekend
and
they're
all
in
favor
of
this
ordinance,
we
asked
that
mr.
Lewis
you're,
my
third
District
Council
member
representing
us,
represent
your
people.
D
AT
AT
In
my
pond,
I've
noticed
plastic
straws,
I've,
noticed
plastic
caps,
even
smaller
fibers
of
plastic
as
well
and
I'm
simply
just
get
outside
and
pick
up
claw
land,
a
brown
paper
bag
and
start
cleaning
up
our
own
waters
and
I
think
we
need
to
get
over
the
argument
about
profit
because
we
do
need
to
come
together.
The
time
world
has
come
to
fight
and
we
need
to
love
each
other.
Thank.
AU
Evening,
Kelly
Thorkelson,
South,
Carolina,
aquarium,
plastic
pollution
is
one
of
the
greatest
environmental
crises
of
our
time,
and
luckily
the
world
is
waking
up
to
that
fact.
You
heard
from
me
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
ago
about
the
frightening
increase
of
sea
turtles
that
are
coming
into
our
Hospital
at
the
aquarium
with
plastics
that
have
ingested
plastics
in
the
ocean
and
an
all
marine
life
really
are
doing
it.
You
heard
that
from
Elena
the
thing
is:
human
health
and
ocean
health
are
intrinsically
linked.
The
cream
doesn't
just
care
about
marine
life
and
sea
turtles.
AU
We
care
about
communities
and
we
are
ready
if
the
city
passes
this
ordinance
to
support
you
Charleston
the
city
of
Charleston,
as
we
did
the
library
system
of
Charleston,
as
well
as
Beaufort,
County
and
across
diverse
communities,
to
help
distribute
reusable
bags
such
as
possible,
as
well
as
help
people
understand
the
reason
for
this
ban.
Thank
you.
There
are
also
some
samples
in
jars
up
here
of
plastics
that
came
from
our
Turtles
if
you'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
those
you're
welcome.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AV
U
AW
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
Katie,
Zimmerman
executive
director
of
Charleston
moves
I'm
here
tonight.
I'll
take
off
I've
got
two
things
to
talk
about.
One
is
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
the
discussion
earlier
about
the
budget
that
was
wonderful
to
see
you
all
considering
things
in
such
a
diligent
fashion.
Like
you
always
do,
I
want
to
really
put
out
a
plea
for
you
to
add
back
in
the
mobility
manager
to
the
budget.
As
you
all
have
heard,
Charleston
County
is
leading
the
state
in
bike
and
pedestrian
fatalities
and
serious
injuries.
AW
AX
Hi,
my
name
is
Francis
I'm,
a
fifth
generation
Charlestonians
I'm,
a
tree
hugger
I've
got
fluff
mud
in
my
veins
and
I,
never
say
anything
new,
but
I
stood
here
and
I
waited
and
I
missed
my
son's
basketball
tryouts.
So
I
could
look
you
all
in
the
eye
and
ask
you
to
please
support
the
ban.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
AI
AY
George
Hopkins
West
Ashley
next
Tuesday
at
your
budget
council
meeting
you'll,
be
discussing
increasing
Charleston
city
workers
wage
to
$12
an
hour
I'm
here
with
a
number
of
folks,
think
that
is
totally
insufficient.
$15
an
hour
should
be
the
minimum
I
know
some
of
you
balk
at
that,
but
I
tell
you
it
in
North,
Charleston
they're,
already
a
thirteen
plus
per
hour
and
going
to
15
next
year
and,
if
you're
and
if
the
moral
and
ethical
dimensions.
This
don't
appeal
to.
AY
AP
B
AZ
AZ
When
we
banned
those
it
was
a
hardship
on
the
painters
and
home
owners
and
manufacturers,
but
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
It
was
necessary.
Every
molecule
of
plastic
ever
made
is
still
here.
It
breaks
down
into
smaller
plastics,
but
it
doesn't
go
away
and
those
micro
plastics
have
even
been
found
in
our
oysters.
In
the
last
10
years
we
made
more
plastic
than
we
did
in
our
prior
century.
Half
of
it
is
considered
disposable,
but
how
is
an
indestructible
product
disposable?
BA
AL
BB
BB
It
and
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
shameful
that
we're
the
number
one
city
in
the
country,
for
you
know
a
few
years
running,
but
yet
I've
got
shorter
guests
asking
why
there's
so
much
trash
at
high
tide
and
I've
noticed
too
that
all
the
turtles
have
left
little
Creek's
by
the
Ashley
River
Greenway,
but
what's
actually
Greenway
that
I
used
to
see
when
I
walked
the
dog
I'd
like
for
them
to
come
back
sometime,
so
I
support
the
van
hope
you
do
too.
Thank.
AG
AG
If
we
don't
act
tonight,
we
could
very
well
lose
the
opportunity
to
have
a
state
and
how
we,
at
the
local
level,
handle
plastics
in
the
future,
and,
secondly,
I
pledge,
as
a
student
as
to
many
individuals
in
this
room,
to
make
sure
that
our
businesses
are
taken
care
of
during
this
transition
and
to
make
sure
that
no
citizen
or
business
faces
struggles
due
to
this
fan.
Thank
you.
Thank.
BC
Hi
Caroline
Brandner
I
live
at
69,
Washington,
Street
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
in
full
support
of
the
plastics
ordinance
I
have
a
very
hard
time,
walking
past
plastic
trash
and
leaving
it
there.
So
I'm
often
compelled
to
pick
it
up
and
on
my
way
to
work
every
day
and
my
way
just
walking
around
town
I
end
up
with
handfuls
of
plastic,
always
single-use
plastic.
BC
Every
single
time
also
I
want
to
add
that
no
one
wants
to
put
an
undue
burden
on
our
local
businesses
or
on
at-risk
communities,
people
who
may
not
be
able
to
invest
in
reusable
bags
or
whatever
issues
that
arise.
There
are
many
community
partners
who
want
to
make
sure
that
we
bring
everyone
along
with
us
in
this,
so
I
know
you
guys
do
too
and
I
hope
you'll
support
the
ban.
Thank.
BD
Thank
You
mayor
and
councilmembers
I'm
Marla
I
live
at
four
six,
eight
hiji
Street,
that's
an
councilmember,
Louis's
district
and
I
think
everything's
been
set
here
tonight,
so
I
decided
to
just
bring
this
up
and
show
this
to
y'all.
This
is
a
reusable
bag.
It's
made
out
of
cotton
and
it
is
with
purchased
in
the
USA.
So
I
could
have
just
the
gentleman's
comments
earlier
and,
as
you
know,
we've
got
cotton
farmers
in
South
Carolina.
So
let's
support
reusable
bags.
Let's
support
our
cotton
farmers.
BD
Let's
eliminate
plastic,
we
did
a
Creek
cleanup
on
October,
23rd
and
Newmarket
Creek.
We
also
did
one
on
November
12,
the
first
time
on
October
I'm,
sorry
24th.
We
picked
up
98
plastic
bags,
November
12th.
We
picked
up
a
hundred
and
seventy-three.
We
were
only
out
there
at
the
first
time
for
an
hour
and
the
second
time
we
were
out
there
for
about
an
hour
and
a
half,
so
we
definitely
have
a
plastic
problem.
I
support
the
ordinance.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
BE
B
BF
Sir
hello,
my
name
is
Alec
Cooley
I'm,
a
president
of
Mount
Pleasant,
but
I'm
here,
just
with
somebody
with
recycling
and
litter
prevention,
expertise.
Having
worked
for
the
national
offices,
they
Keep
America
Beautiful.
Previously,
though,
I
want
to
be
clear,
I'm
here,
representing
myself
as
an
individual
recycling
I
want
to
make
the
point
is
not
a
viable
alternative
for
what
this
is.
BF
This
intended
to
address
the
limited
opportunities
that
do
exist
for
recycling,
which
are
valid
and
should
be
taken
advantage
of,
are
not
convenient,
and
for
that
reason
very
few
people
actually
take
advantage
of
them
and
there's
not
a
lot.
This
can
really
change
about
that,
so
we're
always
going
to
have
this
issue.
Secondly,
I
want
to
point
out
that,
by
reducing
the
number
of
bags
that
are
actually
put
out
into
the
public
that
helps
to
address
a
significant
issue
with
actual
recycling
facilities,
were
banks
are
contaminates
in
the
program.
BG
BG
The
facts
are
very
accessible
and
clear.
Plastics
are
a
consumption
issue.
Charleston
is
in
the
midst
of
a
very
progressive
change.
Do
we
want
to
be
leaders
or
losers
on
this
issue?
Let's
stand
with
Folly
Beach,
Mount,
Pleasant
and
other
municipalities
as
leaders,
and
continue
the
ban
on
plastics.
Thank
you.
Thank.
BH
BH
BI
Hi
I'm
David,
quick,
I,
live
in
Mount
Pleasant
and
on
Saturday
morning,
took
my
dogs
to
on
a
walk
at
the
Pitt
Street
Bridge
and,
like
a
lot
of
you,
experienced
that
astronomical
high
tide
that
I
think
caught
us
all
by
surprise,
but
also
what
I
noticed
was
that
the
wind
was
blowing
across
the
harbor
from
Charleston
to
Mount,
Pleasant
and
lapping
up
against
the
bridge
for
our
plastic
trash
literally
lapping
up
against
the
bridge,
so
I
took
the
dogs
back
home.
I
came
back
out
spent
the
next
two
hours.
BI
I
picked
up
a
cartload
of
plastic
bag,
straws
styrofoam,
both
in
bits
of
pieces
and
large
containers,
not
all
from
Charleston,
but
plastics
and
tides
and
winds,
know
no
boundaries.
We're
all
one
community
support
this
ban.
Other
communities
have
a
really
hope
you
all
will
support
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
I.
BJ
Hi,
my
name
is
John
Brooker
I
live
in
Wagner
Terrace
in
district
6
I'm.
Not
wanted
urge
you
just
to
support
the
plastic
bag.
Ban,
ordinance
I
think
it's
a
common-sense
measure
that
will
keep
our
communities
clean,
our
waterways,
clean
and
healthy.
So
it's
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
just
I
hope
you
guys
do
something
that
can
make
us
all
feel
proud
tomorrow.
Thanks
thank.
BK
Phyllis
Ewing
for
Ashleigh,
Avenue
and
I
have
a
couple
things
to
say.
First
of
all,
it's
not
just
the
food
chain
in
the
fish.
It's
us
who
are
being
flooded.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
plastic
bags
we
have
pulled
off
of
drains
that
are
not
drained,
because
the
plastic
bags
are
there.
Secondly,
one
of
the
councilmen
last
time
said:
well,
what
difference
does
it
make
I
mean
because
there's
so
many
plastics?
Well
I
did
some
man
if
I
take
these
bags
everywhere.
BK
I
have
about
five
of
them,
I've
been
using
them
for
between
15
and
18
years.
I'm,
a
single
person
household
and
I
figured
out
that,
based
on
the
grocery
store,
where
they
put
three
items
in
a
bag,
and
then
they
double
bag
it.
This
takes
up
about
what
six
plastic
bags
to
and
I
think
over
my
times
of
these
bags,
I've
saved
15,000
bags
for.
BL
Olivia
boy,
no
I
live
at
nineteen
Brockman
circle,
I'm
also
a
leader
of
the
Charleston
Surfrider
chapter
and
also
a
Marine
educator
and
I
actually
took
out
80
sixth
graders
today
on
a
boat.
So
with
Surfrider
we
do
a
bunch
of
cleanups
and
you
know,
we've
all
talked
about
all
the
different
types
of
debris
that
we
find.
But
one
interesting
fact
that
we
actually
found
is
by
recording
all
the
different
types
of
trash
on
Folly
Beach.
BL
We
recorded
the
trash
pre
and
post
there
plastic
bag
ban
and
we
actually
found
with
all
local
data
an
80%
reduction
of
plastic
bags
found
on
folly
since
they
initiated
their
plastic
bag
ban.
So
if
you
do
put
this
ordinance
in
place,
we
will
see
a
significant
reduction
of
classics
in
our
environment,
so
I
really
hope
that
you
do
support
this
band
Thanks.
Thank.
B
BM
Good
evening
my
name
is
Christian
Frederick's
I'm,
a
resident
James
Holland
and
a
junior
James
Allen
charter
high
school
I,
wanted
to
come
out
tonight
to
support
the
band.
Instead
of
doing
my
homework,
I
might
add
to
encourage
council
members
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
as
a
resident
of
fog,
Beach
I'm,
frequently
seeing
the
plastic
bags
and
the
straws,
even
if
I
just
got
for
kind
of
picking
up
loads
and
coolers
and
just
everything
my
kayaks
loaded
down
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
that
changed.
BM
A
lot
and
I
also
wanted
to
offer
another
perspective,
I'm.
Actually
a
cashier
at
the
Harris
Teeter
in
Folly
Beach.
That
only
uses
paper
bags
and
I
found
that
a
lot
of
the
cashiers
really
and
the
patrons
really
enjoy
that
paper
bags
and
it's
easier
to
pack
them
and
they
will
bring
them
back
and
they
will
reuse
them
and
I'm.
Just
overall
I'm
tired
of
seeing
all
this
unnecessary
garbage
and
our
marshes,
even
if
I
just
go
for
a
car.
B
M
BM
BN
BN
I
just
might
add,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
other
comments
that
it's
not
just
what
happens
once
plastic
gets
out
in
our
waterways
that
we
have
to
concern
about
its
while
plastic
is
being
transported
there.
So
if
you
walk
around
downtown,
you
might
notice
that
many
of
our
storm
drains
get
kinda
plastic
pollution,
and
so
that
could
also
help
our
flooding
problems.
Hey.
A
B
BO
I'm
Dylan
Schmitz
I
live
on
53,
Gibb,
Street,
right,
downtown
I'm,
a
outdoor
photographer
and
producer,
so
I
see
this
problem
firsthand
in
all
my
work,
wherever
I
travel,
but
also
here
at
home.
This
seems
like
an
easy
way
to
be
part
of
a
much
larger
movement
toward
combating
the
global
plastic
issue,
but
also
somebody
who
eats
out
very
very
regularly
around
here
in
Charleston
I'd,
rather
not
be
part
of
the
problem
and
see
that
we
can
stop
this
at
its
source
locally.
Thank
you.
Thank.
BP
Look
I'm
Kerry
Taylor
at
105,
Charles,
Fort
alley
and
I'm
here
with
the
Charleston
Alliance
for
fair
employment,
cafe,
as
well
as
the
South
Carolina
Poor,
People's
Campaign
and
I
like
fish
I
like
turtles
and
I,
also
like
human
beings,
and
for
that
reason
I
support
the
plastics
band,
but
I
also
want
to
applaud
the
council
in
their
efforts
to
review
the
minimum
wage
for
their
city
workers.
We
think,
however,
that
looking
at
anything,
less
than
$15
an
hour
as
a
minimum
is
inadequate
and
I
think
you're
all
aware
of
that
as
you're
moving
forward.
BP
BQ
Everybody,
my
name
is
Louise
Brown
I'm
from
unpleasant
and
Charleston
South,
Carolina
and
I'm,
with
the
poor
people
campaign
when
I
say
poor
people
I'm
talking
about
five
minutes.
I'm
talking
about
schoolteachers,
I'm,
talking
about
garbage
collectors.
I
am
talking
about
housekeeping
I'm,
talking
about
domestic
working
I'm
talking
about
McDonald's,
Burger,
King
Hardee's.
All
these
people
are
working,
then
I'm
the
paid
and
overwork.
Why?
BQ
Because
you
don't
respect
the
position
that
they
got
the
housekeeping
because
they
like
it,
they
keep
the
restaurant,
it's
when
you
go
and
go
in
there,
you'll
be
able
to
eat
and
a
decent
retirement.
The
food
are
good.
You
enjoy
the
food.
Why
not
give
them
the
time
almost
an
hour
to
work
50
centers
in
the
south
to
the
intelligence?
Why
would
you
want
to
do
that?
They
labor
hard
to
make
everything
I'm
for
us.
Why
can't
we
make
them
a
decent
pay?
Thank
you.
BR
B
AK
Hey
Carolyn,
Evans
James
Island
resident
here
to
support
the
plastics
ban.
I
think
we
used
to
as
a
culture
we
used
to
do
a
lot
of
stupid
things.
We
used
to
throw
trash
out
the
window
we
used
to
drunk
drive
until
the
70s
when
they,
when
law
enforcement
really
enforced
it
and
I'm.
When
we
know
better,
we
do
better
and
we
do
know
better
now.
So
let's
do
better.
Thank.
B
BS
My
name
is
Manuel
Ferguson
and
from
West
Ashley
I
support
the
plastics
ban,
but
I
would
also
support
the
city
taking
a
lead
role
in
making
sure
those
communities
that
depend
on
plastic
bags
have
an
adequate
substitute,
but
city
needs
to
make
sure
they
have
a
lead
role
in
that,
because
the
time
is
now
to
ban
these
plastic
bags.
Don't
do
it
later.
The
time
is
now
to
look
out
for
these
communities
do
not
push
them
to
the
side.
They
elected
you
to
look
out
for
them.
They
can't
be
here
because
they're
at
work.
BS
They
can't
be
here
because
they're
taking
the
bus
which
the
Cardo
routes
are
starting
to
dismiss
because
I
used
to
take
the
bus
they
need
well
I
attended
back.
Mr.
Deakins,
one
of
my
routes
was
diminished.
I'm.
Sorry
Carla
is
actually
doing
very
well
I'll.
Send
you
a
bill
before
we
look
into
a
plastic
bag,
but
while
we
look
into
a
pound
bag
bill,
we
need
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
those
communities
that
depend
on
him.
Thank
you.
So
much
thank.
BT
Brady
12
joy,
Street,
I'm,
not
gonna,
get
cut
off
here
so
how
many
people,
like
Charleston,
being
the
number
one
travel
city
for
in
Conde
Naste
region?
How
many
people,
like
us,
being
the
number
one
city
for
the
Travel
Leisure
magazine?
How
many
people
like
living
here
in
order
to
do
that?
As
the
water
keeper
said,
we
need
to
fix
the
sewerage
right
and
drainage
problem
to
avoid
flooding,
tourists
don't
like
driving
through
it
or
walk
into
it.
Neither
do
we.
So
what
we
have
is
this.
BT
We
have
to
fix
that
three-quarters
of
the
plastics
that
are
produced
18
trillion
since
the
1950s,
a
non
biodegradable.
That's
what
our
water
keeper
is
seen.
The
Philippines
are
close
neighbor
of
reliable
that
are
close,
Philippine
neighbors
found
in
2009
that
their
sewage
and
water
drainage
problems
would
do
the
plastics
time.
A
BT
M
BT
BU
Good
evening,
I'm
April,
McGill
I'm,
a
James
Island
resident
and
architect,
and
the
owner
of
my
business
I'm,
also
a
professor
at
the
American
College
of
building
arts.
For
all
these
reasons,
I
support
the
band.
Thank
you,
Council,
for
considering
this
ordinance
I
think
it's
moving
the
right
direction.
I
think
it's
low-hanging,
fruit,
I
think
it's
something
easy.
We
have
solutions,
it's
it's
where
we
have
to
go
and
just
like
with
this,
the
smoking
ban
business
is
adapted,
people
adapt
it
now.
BU
BV
My
name's
Brad
Taggert
I'm
from
John's
Island
I'm
here
to
say
that
I
am
deeply
opposed
to
the
bag
ban.
I
say
that
because
the
last
three
years
I've
lived
in
Germany
Germany,
is
about
10
to
20
years
ahead
of
this
place.
As
far
as
banning
things
for
environmental
purposes,
and
let
me
just
tell
you
it
doesn't
work
out.
Well,
it
really
doesn't.
It
finds
a
way
to
negatively
influence
every
part
of
your
life.
It
just
keeps
on
going.
They
just
keep
on
banning
and
just
remember
that
this
is
not
the
last
ban.
BV
BW
Ferrara
CEO
of
the
same
group,
member
of
Surfrider,
huge
capitalist
and
supporter
of
the
plastic
bag
ban.
I
grew
up
fishing
with
my
granddad.
He
was
a
blue-collar
welder,
but
he
was
also
an
environmentalist.
He
grew
all
his
own
crops
caught
all
the
fish
we
ate
use
the
same
thermos
for
30
years.
He
instilled
in
me
a
work
ethic
that
if
you
give
a
man
official
eat
for
a
day,
but
you
teach
him
to
fish,
will
eat
for
a
lifetime.
That's
capitalism.
BW
At
the
same
time,
we
can't
irreparable
harm
our
ecosystem
and
all
the
fish
or
out
all
out
of
luck.
My
grandfather
took
me
sane,
fishing
and
I
named
my
company
after
him,
because
in
life,
business
and
politics
it
takes
a
variety
of
partners
holding
the
net
together.
Our
city's
future
needs
your
partnership
tonight.
Is
you
cast
your
vote,
so
we
can
all
to
continue
to
cast
our
literal
and
economic
Nets
together.
Thank
you.
Thank.
BX
Misty
Gordon
Street
in
Wagner,
Terrace
and
I'm.
What's
her
name,
misty
Lister,
misty,
Lister,
okay
and
I'm
for
the
van
I'm
stand
up,
paddleboard
coach
here
in
town
and
I'm
on
the
water.
A
lot
and
I
see
a
ton
of
plastic
bags.
I
come
back
into
the
shore
and
I
have
a
lot
of
plastic
on
my
board,
and
it's
just
it's.
It's
disgusting
and
I
also
want
to
speak
to
the
affordability
of
it.
All
my
mom
lives
on
a
fixed
income
of
six
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
month,
and
she
takes
her
reusable
bags
everywhere.
AV
But
not
least,
my
name
is
Jason
saccharin
I'm,
a
resident
of
North
Central
as
well
as
District
three
mr.
Lewis
and
I
also
am
a
small
business
owner
with
two
restaurants.
One
on
Spring,
Street
I
realized
that
this
is
something
we
have
to
get
done.
We
could
become
the
largest
city
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
to
pass
this
it's
time
to
lead
number
one
as
a
small
business
owner.
I
am
for
the
band,
but
I
do
have
some
concerns
enforcement.
AV
It's
a
great
ordinance
how
we
can
enforce
it
number
two:
what
are
the
unintended
consequences
for
our
small
business
owners,
in
particular
restaurants,
that
have
sales
of
$500,000
or
less
per
year
number
three?
How
will
this
change
the
buying
habits
of
our
of
our
customers?
Instead
of
purchasing
small
single
bags?
They're
gonna,
be
purchasing
other
bags
number
four.
AV
B
That's
the
end
of
our
citizens
participation
period.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight
and
sharing
with
us
your
thoughts
and
comments.
So
next
is
our
petitions
and
communications.
We
just
have
one
appointment
of
Keith
Benjamin
to
the
Charleston
County
protection
committee.
We
have
motion
to
approve
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
exes.
Our
council
committee
report
forces
Committee
on
Community
Development
Council
member
Mitchell.
BY
B
N
You,
mr.
chairman
and
mr.
mayor
Thank
You
councillor
Gregory
the
Committee
on
traffic,
addressing
met
yesterday
at
4
o'clock.
We
had
a
report
for
the
bike:
pedestrian
Advisory
Committee,
just
for
those
who
were
here
tonight
know
that
that
is
now
a
very
active
committee.
The
report
was
given
by
Matt
moldenhauer
who's,
our
co-chair
there's
a
lot
going
on
so
please
get
involved.
N
We
also
had
a
report
on
the
just
ride:
better
bike
share
partnership
grant
program,
which
is
a
grant
program
that
brings
bike
share
to
underserved
communities
around
the
city,
and
it
has
been
wildly
successful.
We've
got
bikes
in
places,
you
wouldn't
expect
to
see
bike
share,
the
cost
I
think
katie
is
$5
to
be
a
member
for
the
year
and
we
can
track
because
they're
GPS
based
bikes,
they
are
getting
used
in
great
numbers.
So
it's
been
a
huge
success
that
grant
iconic
this
thing
or
director
of
traffic
and
transportation.
Mr.
N
Benjamin
and
those
who've
been
involved
in
this
gotcha
bikes,
who
runs
the
bike
share.
That
has
been
terrific.
We
had
two
items
that
need
approval
from
this
body.
First
was
the
turning
of
rapers
alley
to
one-way.
Rapers
alley
goes
north
off
of
Market
Street
towards
Ginyard
Street.
It
is
now
currently
very
narrow,
two-way.
The
developer
of
that
area
is
actually
going
to
make
some
improvements
on
that
Street
gonna
put
a
sidewalk
in
it
really
doesn't
have
room
for
two
ways
worth
of
cars.
It's
gonna
run
north
out
of
market
that
was
approved
unanimously.
N
The
second
was
the
partial
one-way
of
Hudson
Street
between
King
and
Meeting
Street,
which
will
be
the
access
to
the
underground
parking
for
the
Bennett
hotel.
It
opens
sometime
in
January
in
February,
and
we
will
have
one-way
traffic
from
King
towards
meeting
to
the
access
point
of
the
underground
parking,
which
is
about
a
hundred
and
seventy-five
yards
into
Hudson
Street.
N
BZ
BZ
CA
N
So
you
talk
about
the
citywide
transportation
plan
that
was
presented
to
a
Thunder
of
mr.
Benjamin
is
still
here.
When
did
you
present
that
to
us?
It
was
some
number
of
months
ago
and
we
adopted
it
unanimously
and
I
think
it
is
become
now
we
brought
it
to
Council
for
adoption
the
report
when
it
was
brought
to
Council
if
I'm
not
mistaken,.
N
Well,
the
good
news
is
what
we're
doing
is
we're
giving
it
right
here
to
are
very
capable
director
to
go
and
implement
it,
because
we've
given
them
some
of
the
tools
to
do
it,
not
all
of
them,
because
some
of
it
comes
in
our
budget
processes.
You
know
not
all
of
it,
but
go
ahead.
Mr.
Benjamin
again
so.
CB
Three
things
really
quickly,
one
with
regards
to
the
black
addition
committee
in
the
documentation
that
was
provided
to
the
committee
members
was
a
memo
from
the
committee
that
actually
had
some
priorities
in
there,
which
did
cosign
the
multimodal
manager
and
then
also
implementation
of
pieces
of
a
people
peddle
plan
and
then
the
opportunity
to
begin
prioritization
to
bring
to
the
TNC
committee
for
approval
from
there.
In
regards
to
the
CTP,
when
I
presented
to
you
all
in
July.
CB
One
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
to
you
was
about
the
coordination
that
I've
been
adamant
about
with
County
and
state
for
particular
projects.
So
when
I
came
to
you,
I
came
with
also
implementation
opportunities
as
well
as
things
we
were
already
moving
forward
on.
So
when
I
stood
there
in
July,
we
had
already
got
an
approval
on
Apple,
ma,
ma,
Road
being
improved
Lachlan
and
view
fane
over
near
of
awful
phali
Road.
CB
Some
improvements
there
for
like
interlocking
as
well
so
a
number
of
things
because
of
the
coordination
through
the
sales
tax
that
we
have
prioritized
other
pieces
that
it's
an
addendum
of
the
long-range
transportation
plan
which
Kathryn
basa
the
planning
director
of
the
cog
is
going
to
be
presenting
to
the
TNT
committee
later
in
December.
Every
project
prioritized
in
the
CTP
is
in
the
regional
long-range
transportation
plan
as
a
priority
for
both
state
and
federal
funding.
So
that
was
a
big
part
of.
B
R
Member
wearing,
thank
you
just
a
minute.
The
chairman
of
TNT
was
kind
enough
to
allow
me
a
few
seconds
at
committee
meeting
yesterday
we
had
a
hearty
discussion
around
funding,
bike
and
pedestrian
paths
in
particular,
and
areas
where
the
city
already
owns
a
8
to
10
foot
easement.
In
other
words,
no
properties
would
have
to
be
bought.
We
already
have
the
right
to
do
that.
Continuity
may
be,
among
others,
also
mentioned
about
I,
think
the
town
of
Mount
Pleasant,
putting
up
monies
and
getting
additional
projects
matched
or
funded
through
the
county.
R
R
R
R
Yeah
you
were
to
go
down,
not
a
number
of
them.
If
you
were
to
go
down
Magnolia
Road
from
the
rest
of
from
Gerald's,
basically
all
day
long
whatever
and
all
the
all
the
way
to
the
Greenwood
about
eight
to
ten
feet
with
the
sidewalk
and
easements
between
the
road
ending
and
the
sidewalk
beginning.
That
could
connect
you
to
the
bike
lane.
The
bike
weight
could
then
take
you.
Obviously
sedan.
Just
Boulevard
ought
to
walk
the
road.
R
B
R
B
R
We
have
if
we
were
to
look
I,
think
you
would
see
public
access
of
public
easements
between
the
county
and
the
city
and
all
that
not
in
the
city,
obviously
eight
to
ten
feet
between
public
easement
and
sidewalks.
They
can
pretty
much
get
you
from
Sam
rittenberg,
on
walk
on
waffle,
Road
all
the
way
17.
R
So
you
almost
have
an
inner
loop
there
and
the
third
area
we
spoke
about
was
off
of
Old
Town
Road,
which
again
we
already
have
8
to
10
feet
of
easement
that
you
could
put
from
pretty
much
West
Pawnee,
almost
all
the
way
down
to
help
me
out,
Peter,
all
the
way
down
to
Donny
all
right
and
all
the
properties
within
the
county
and
city
that
we
don't
have
to
go
out
and
obtain,
and
if
we
had
some
monies
the
match
potentially
could
have
an
exponential.
Thank
you
here.
You
just.
T
Along
that
same
point,
if
we've
got
this
meeting
on
December
the
5th
about
the
redesign
of
highway,
61
I
mean
I'm
old,
Town,
Road
and
Sam
rittenberg,
so
part
of
that
I
think
is
including
this
pedestrian
and
bicycle
roadway
would
be
incorporated
in
some
of
those
designs.
So
connectivity
is
a
huge
part
of
the
designs
on
hotel,
hood
and.
R
Lastly,
I
brought
up
again
the
we
need
I
guess.
Mr.
mr.
Lindsey
here
we
spoke
a
number
of
months
ago
about
amending
the
allowed
use
for
religious
organizations
to
be
able
to
use
property
that
they
already
own
for
parking,
not
parking
to
rent
to
as
a
business,
but
parking
for
the
parishioners
to
park
on
and
I
have
not
seen.
We
have
not
seen
that
amendment
come
forward
to
council
to
be
approved,
so
that's
just
something
that
can
get
that
on
a
to-do
list
in
front
of
us
be.
B
G
N
W
N
To
just
double
back
on
the
bike
ped
committee
and
my
memory
was
jogged
about
the
meeting.
Yes,
I've
heard
a
lot
between
then
and
now,
but
that
the
bike
ped
lady
has
set
a
list
of
priorities
that
they're
gonna
bring
forward
sort
of
one
or
two
or
three
at
a
time
to
make
it
manageable
for
us,
as
a
council
and
as
a
city,
to
implement
some
things
that
are
again,
people
call
it
low-hanging
fruit,
but
things
that
are
obvious
and
right
in
front
of
you
that
we
just
haven't
done
and
council
never
wearing.
N
When
you
came
yesterday,
it's
really
pointed
out
some
that
are
literally
right
there
in
front
of
us
another
one
was
in
our
presentation.
If
you
go
to
the
the
Carta,
stop
right
there
in
front
of
the
citable
mall
there's
it's
a
very
active
stop.
There
is
all
sorts
of
people
getting
on
and
off
the
bus.
There's
a
big
fat
right-of-way
right
behind
it
along
the
road,
there's
no
sidewalk,
so
people
can't
get
from
where
they
live.
N
A
quarter
mile
1/2
a
mile
3/4
a
mile
away
to
that
bus
stop,
which
is
one
of
our
most
active
bus,
stops
in
the
system,
so
connectivity
getting
people
around
getting
through
that
last
mile.
All
of
those
things
are
things
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
on
the
micro
scale
and
start
implementing,
and
it
will
really
make
a
huge
difference
in
the
lives
of
our
citizens,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
theme
of
yesterday
for
sure.
Yes,
sir,.
N
Right
so,
as
you
know,
Hudson
Street
has
been
now
been
closed
for
a
couple
years.
They've
done
this
bennett
project
and
they
built
working
underneath
the
building
and
the
access
point
to
that
parking
is
off
of
Hudson,
Street
and
so
they've
done
some
traffic
calculations,
and
we
did
actually
ask
why
this
hadn't
come
a
little
bit
earlier
to
us,
but
it
didn't
so.
The
way
to
access
it
in
and
out
is
off
of
King,
so
you'll
be
going
one
way
towards
meeting
off
of
King
and
then
the
exit
point
will
then
be
meeting.
T
N
E
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
what
councilman
Waring
was
saying
about.
These
sidewalks
is
that
a
lot
of
these
sidewalks
are
done
by
the
county
as
with
County
funds.
There's
a
program,
and
we
have
to
apply
to
get
these
sidewalks
done
and
what
we're
really
saying
here-
and
we
probably
don't
have
any
money
in
this
budget
right
now-
I
believe
pretty
well
going
as
far
as
we
can
go
with
that,
but
between
now
and
June
30th.
E
If
we
have
a
surplus
and
we
have
any
funds
left
over,
we
need
them
as
we
make
these
applications.
We
need
to
decide
or
make
these
applications
more
meaningful.
By
putting
some
dollars
with
the
application
and
and
not
just
say,
we
want
a
sidewalk,
a
B
and
C,
but
we
want
a
sidewalk
a
it.
Connects
this
bus
stop
to
this
Greenway
and
and
finally,
here's
some
money
to
help
pay
for
it,
or
we
have
some
money
here
to
have
some
skin
in
the
game.
E
N
Think
that's
an
excellent
point
and
mission
based
applications
is
a
very
good
idea.
Also
tonight
we,
as
you
know,
appointed
mr.
Benjamin
to
the
CTC,
who
will
then
be
there
on
our
contact
point
on
the
committee,
so
we
need
to
just
make
sure
we
coordinate
between
planning,
transfer
traffic
and
transportation
and
then
the
newly
formed
public
services
department.
So
we
all
on
the
same
page
when
it
comes
to
sidewalks,
because
sidewalks
is
a
place,
we
can
make
huge
progress
and
we
haven't
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
work
for
mr.
E
E
The
council
member
has
now
got
their
parking
pass
where
we
can
put
it
so
I
want
to
put
the
public
on
notice.
If
you
see
councilmember
bill
moody
parked
he
better
be
on
City
business.
When
this
is
hanging
on
his
car,
that's
right
and
I.
Just
warned.
Everybody
else
don't
use
this
personally.
This
is
for
city
council,
business.
Okay,
you
know
the
district
numbers
on
the
card,
so
public
knows
if
they
see
bill
Moody's
district
11,
he'd
better,
be
on
City
business
and
not
having
dinner
at
a
restaurant
somewhere
with
his
wife
right
anyway.
CC
N
B
AW
B
Time
is
passed
all
right,
so
any
other
comments,
a
question.
That's
that
good,
all
in
favor
report
in
the
two
two
ways
or
one
way
convergent,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
as
habit.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chairman,
and
those
points
are
all
very
well
taken.
Next
is
our
Committee
on
Public,
Works
and
utilities,
councilmember.
R
R
B
R
Fact
we
have
a
very
good
meeting,
mr.
mayor
and
and
council
on
the
we
had
a
presentation
done
on
the
repairs
that
will
be
done.
It
starts
at
down
by
the
Coast
Guard
Station
trash
street
and
it's
working
toward
the
curve.
The
first
phase,
I
believe,
is
about
nine
million
dollars.
The
total
project
is
roughly
about
50
or
so
million
dollars.
So
there's
been
some
things.
That's
been
cut
up,
but
I'm
telling
you.
If
you
see
that
the
proposal-
maybe
we
get
a
chance
to
do
that
now,
the
meeting
very
impressive
with
being
proposed.
A
N
Councilmember,
taking
this
very
brief,
where
they
can
just
to
add
on
to
what
councilmember
wearing
described
on
the
low
battery
project,
what
we
proved
tonight
at
ways
and
means
was
the
final
design
for
that
project.
It
will
go
out
to
bid
at
the
beginning
of
January.
The
estimate
for
the
first
segment
is
just
that,
but
the
bid
will
come
in
probably
right
around
there.
N
That
project
is
going
to
be
done
in
segments
and
the
first
segment
is
about
1
7
to
1/6
of
the
total
length
of
the
project:
okay,
yeah
800,
880
feet
or
so
of
4,800
and
it'll
start
at
the
Coast
Guard
Station
and
head
toward
White
Point
Gardens.
It
will
accelerate
over
time,
but
it's
going
to
be
done
in
segments.
So
just
for
those
of
you
who
live
along
there,
probably
first
segment
will
begin
in
the
first
or
second
quarter
of
2019.
Now
that
I
think
we've
got
all
the
approvals
of
the
funding
and.
BY
BZ
R
BZ
N
Answer
that
well,
because
that
part
of
the
wall
is
the
most
deteriorated,
it's
the
first
answer.
It's
also
the
least
complicated
terms
of
engineering,
so
we
will
get
some
benefit
of
the
learning
of
what's
down
there,
because
that
walls
now
been
in
place
for
a
hundred
years.
So,
first
and
foremost,
it
is
the
most
challenged
in
terms
of
its
current
condition
and
secondly,
it
will
allow
for
a
steep
learning
curve
and
some
dollar
savings.
B
B
Further
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Haven't
X
our
Committee
on
ways
and
means
Community,
Development
I
was
trying
to
say
I
wasn't
I
was
going
to
come
back
to
you
at
the
end
before
you.
You
know
when
we're
gonna
save
the
best
for
last.
You
know
yeah
that
goes
Committee
on
ways
and
means
council,
member
boy,
any
any
discussion.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
now
best
for
last
Committee
on
Community
Development,
Council,
Mitchell.
G
C
Did
I
did
over
the
meeting
and
council
member
Mitchell
Mitchell
some
absence
and
I
do
apologize
for
not
being
prepared
with
my
notes
from
the
meeting,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
call
on
my
committee
colleagues
to
help
me
reconstruct,
but
that
we
had
three
items
of
new
business
that
we're
all
presented
by
miss
Janice
Johnson
and
the
first
one
is
is
a
is
a
report
that
was
begun
this
summer
by
our
Bloomberg
fellow
and
I.
Don't
have
that
natasha.
C
C
Budget
was
to
establish
a
new
position
that
would
essentially
I'm
I.
Don't
think
we
saw
an
actual
position
description
title
miss
you
a
lot.
Miss
Johnson
is
creating
the
position
description
in
more
detail,
as
were
as
we
speak,
but
I
called
it.
The
housing
initiatives
director
coordinator
for
the
Department
of
Housing,
and
so
we
did
vote
as
a
committee
to
favorably,
recommend
such
a
position
to
the
whole
council
in
consideration
of
this
year's
budget
and
we're
waiting
for
more
detail.
C
CD
That
was
the
putt
overture
agreement
that
chip
McWeeny
presented
to
the
city
committee
of
City
Council
and
it
basically
finalized
the
percentage
of
workforce
housing
that
would
be
available
rental
workforce
housing
within
that
agreement.
That
agreement
was
actually
approved
by
council
in
2017,
I,
believe,
and
so
this
was
basically
bringing
it
back
to
finalize
the
specifics
relative
to
the
percentage
of
affordable
housing
and
I
see
Susan
nodding.
Yes,.
CE
CE
CE
First,
housing
there
will
be
10
units
at
80%,
AMI,
20
units
at
120%,
a
my
and
they're
likely
to
be
rental
units
and
the
rent
will
be
capped
at
30
percent
of
the
ami
and
the
committee
approved
the
agreement
or
the
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
enter
into
the
agreement,
which
is
required
by
the
PUD
on
November
14th.
So.
B
A
legend:
it's
just
an
approval
right,
any
discussion,
all
in
favor
of
all
that
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
so
now
we're
done
with
our
committee
reports
and
we
go
up
to
Bill's
for
second
reading.
First
up
is
our
our
plastic
band
and
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
and
a
second.
We
we
did
have
some
modifications,
as
requested
by
counsel.
AD
AK
AD
Actually
got
a
great
support
from
grocery
stores.
We
talked
to
the
hair
seeder
on
the
peninsula
and
the
food
line
on
a
peninsula
and
the
bio
on
James
Island.
They
have
all
experienced
this
before
they've
died
in
other
jurisdictions.
They
know
what
to
do.
They're
ready
to
comply,
they're,
even
willing
to
talk
to
us
about
donating
resources
to
a
usable
bag
campaign,
so
their
very
own
board.
They
also
all
said
that
there
they
will
all
provide
an
alternative
bag
that
is
free
for
anyone
who
forgets
their
bag
so
important
step.
AD
AD
So
it
is
not
lengthy
and
enduring
for
them
that
they
can
go
through
this
fast.
So
we
think
that
will
help
the
the
exemption
review
process.
We
also
were
able
to
reduce
an
exemption,
so
we
were
able
to
take
it
away.
We
made
sure
egg
cartons
were
listed
in
there,
because
that
was
very
important
to
a
local
grocer.
We
heard
and
we
were
able
to
drop
an
exemption
which
was
important
to
you
all
and
very
important
to
folks
who
took
our
survey.
AD
We
added
a
piece
about
encouraging
educational
signage
in
stores,
to
help
remind
people
that
it's
good
to
reduce,
reuse
and
recycle
and
to
remember
their
their
reusable
bag.
It's
not
required,
but
it's
just
encouraged.
So
it's
not
an
added
requirement
and
then
we
alter
the
definition
of
reusable
bag
just
to
make
it
to
strengthen
it.
So
nobody
could
take
advantage
of
the
thinness
of
the
reasonable
bag
which
we've
seen
in
some
jurisdictions,
including
Beaufort.
AD
So
we
just
kind
of
tightened
up
that
verbiage
to
be
more
consistent
with
other
municipalities
who
have
had
the
most
success
and
then
we
by
the
effective
date.
So
it
still
is
one
year
and
a
couple
days
now,
so
we
haven't
December
first
in
there
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
did.
This
is
to
tighten
up
the
effective
date
language.
So
if
there
was
something
that
happened,
not
the
state
level,
the
ordinance
actually
goes
into
effect
as
soon
as
you
would
pass.
AD
Second
and
third
reading,
instead
of
a
year
from
now,
it's
just
the
enforcement
would
go
into
effect
a
year
from
now
and
it's
nice
and
clear
if
December
first
now,
you
also
asked
us
to
look
into
trust
and
water
system,
so
we
reached
out
to
him.
They
said
there
are.
The
wipes
are
actually
their
biggest
issue,
clogging
their
systems
of
machinery,
but
the
plastic
bags
can
get
mixed
in
with
the
wipes
they
can
attach
to
the
machinery,
and
it
does
contribute
to
shutdowns
and
maintenance
costs.
We
also
checked
in
with
Johnson
County
recycling.
AD
They
said
they,
as
we've
said.
They
don't
accept
these
bags
because
actually
jam
their
equipment
plastic
bags
are,
you
need
very
specific,
compares
and
rotors
to
make
them
to
make
them
work,
and
most
municipalities
don't
have
this
infrastructure.
So
so,
when
these
bags
get
stuck,
they
actually
have
to
stop
the
process.
The
machines
stop
and
they
have
to
hand
pluck
these
bags,
which
can
result
in
over
an
hour
of
downtime
a
day
causing
major
delays.
We've
heard,
we've
heard
a
few
people
say
they've
seen
bags
over
storm
drains
this.
AD
This
is
happening
so
obviously,
when
the
bags
over
covering
an
inlet
or
entering
our
stormwater
system,
it
is
reducing
drainage
flow
and
reducing
the
effectiveness
of
our
stormwater
infrastructure.
It
talks
a
lot
about
recycling
recycling
is
great,
was
just
not
enough.
The
the
products
that
we're
trying
to
ban
are
not
accepted
in
their
blue
roll
carts,
as
we
said,
and
also
I,
think
there
needs
to
be
a
nod
that
that
when
you
recycle
plastic
and
you
remanufacture
it
it
actually,
it
doesn't
recycle
endlessly
like
like
aluminum
or
glass.
AD
Does
you
can't
just
keep
reproducing
the
same
product
so
so
that
when
you
recycle
plastic,
it's
often
called
downcycling,
because
usually
you
take
like
a
plastic
bottle
and
turn
it
into
something
lower,
maybe
like
a
pillow
fiber
and
at
what
point
do
we
recycle
pillows?
So
so
plastic?
Really,
when
you
recycle
at
all
you're
really
doing,
is
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
and
just
delaying
the
disposal
of
it.
AD
Litter
enforcement
is
not
enough;
these
bags
fly
around
there
are,
there
are
there's
a
this
is
a
picture
of
a
full
trash
can
at
a
gas
station,
I
saw
just
yesterday
and
here's
a
picture
of
a
truck
that
just
has
all
kinds
of
loose
materials.
Now
both
of
this
is
illegal,
but
but
it's
really
hard
it's
hard
to
enforce
the
litter
laws.
To
begin
with,
never
mind
one:
it's
unintentional
littering
these
bags
just
fly.
AD
Here's
a
picture
of
plastic
bags
caught
in
the
grasses
along
Morrison
Drive
stuff
to
see,
but
if
anyone
was
out
driving
during
Hurricane
Florence,
there
were
bags
flying
everywhere
there
they're
out.
So
as
soon
as
the
wind
gust
comes,
the
rain
comes,
that's
that's
when
they
move
into
our
waterways,
so
these
bags
are
just
are
just
waiting
to
be
to
be
victims,
education
and
cleanups,
they're
great,
but
they're.
Also
just
not
enough.
We
have
so
many
partners
that
are
already
doing
wonderful
things
and
they
really
need
policy
to
be
attached
to
it.
AD
So
the
good
thing
is
that,
and
I
haven't
listed
them
all
here,
but
it's
a
good
thing
is
that
these
partners
are
willing
to
help
us
they're
willing
to
to
work
with
us
and
collaborate.
So
a
lot
of
them
have
offered
resources,
they've
volunteered
to
donate
bags,
they've
volunteered
to
donate
money
to
a
campaign.
So
if
we
can
use
their
partnerships
and
their
expertise
in
tandem
with,
you
know,
grant
opportunities
the
partners
with
this
policy
that
you're
all
considering
tonight.
This
could
really
help
make
a
difference.
AD
This,
the
the
trans,
the
program
for
transformation,
would
also
be
a
huge
community
driven
effort.
I've
spoken
with
a
few
of
you
who
have
expressed
interest
in
being
involved
in
making
sure
we
reach
the
right
community
base,
making
sure
they
get
the
right
reusable
bag.
Maybe
it's
not
one,
maybe
there's
a
variety
of
them,
so
we
really
want
to
engage
the
community
and
see
what
they
would
like.
AD
So
as
I
mention
this,
this
is
a
year
transition,
there's
all
kinds
of
resources
being
offered
we're
pursuing
resources
or
pursuing
grants,
and
the
there's
also
that
opportunity
to
requests
either
exemptions
for
specific
products
or
exemptions
just
for
the
whole
business.
If
a
business
experiences
a
hardship,
we
don't
want
that
to
happen.
We
want
them
to
be
able
to
apply
for
a
hardship
and
be
excused
from
this
while
we
help
them
figure
out.
AD
What's
going
on
in
the
process
and
you'll
have
a
say
in
that,
since
it
comes
to
you,
the
that
I
showed
this
mat
last
time,
all
the
nearby
actions
of
Sullivan's
has
recently
passed
their
bans.
So
now,
Charleston
city
of
Charleston
is
really
one
of
the
major
players
left
for
protecting
Charleston,
Harbor
and
finally,
I'll
leave
you
this.
We,
we
left
our
survey
of
since
our
last
council
meeting.
We've
actually
received
more
responses
and
they're
all
they've
all
been
positive,
so
our
percentage
has
increased.
AD
We've
heard
from
over
800
people
just
in
this
survey
in
the
last
three
weeks,
and
then,
of
course
you
have
the
2016
survey
when
we
heard
from
about
5,000
people-
and
everyone
is
telling
us
that
they're
supportive
of
this-
they
want
that
they
might
want
it
for
different
reasons.
Some
people
are
saying
they
really
want
it
for
livability.
Some
people
really
want
to
protect
the
environment
and
wildlife.
Some
people
really
want
to
protect
our
tourism
economy.
They
know
we're
really
dependent
on
it,
especially
businesses
who
are
dependent
on
it.
AD
Think
of
like
restaurants
and
water,
sports
and
and
finally,
human
health,
which
is
cut
off
on
the
top
right,
but
is
one
of
the
really
big
driving
factors
that
people
are
sharing
with
me.
That
is
really
important
to
them.
We
don't
know
what
plastics
are
doing
to
us,
but
we
know
they're
in
us,
so
I
will
leave
you
that
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
am
happy
to
answer
to
them.
BZ
Prior
to
your
just
recently,
reaching
out
the
industry,
such
as
grocery
stores,
etc,
etc,
that's
been
ongoing
as
a
part
of
the
sustainability
committee.
So
it's
not
as
though
this
is
something
that
we're
just
throwing
on
the
public.
The
public
has
had
an
opportunity,
including
the
industry
for
over
a
year
or
so
to
provide
us
with
comments
on
this
ordinance.
Am
I
correct?
Yes,.
BZ
B
CC
The
list
of
folks
that
you
had
up
there
different
groups
that
are
interested
in
this,
have
you
all
and
working
collectively,
with
the
grocer
grocery
stores
and
others
considered
getting
those
groups
to
go
out
and
purchase
in
bulk.
These
reusable
bags,
giving
them
to
the
grocery
stores
and
then
working
as
everybody
here
has
come
in
here,
obviously
got
a
lot
of
passion
and
energy
and
time
behind
this,
and
working
collectively
with
the
grocers
to
encourage
the
use
in
the
reason
I
ask
that
is
so
it's
sort
of
a
it
gets
to
the
same
end.
CC
But
as
I
said
last
time,
this
is
a
behavioral
change
and
so
they've,
not
even
no
one's
being
given
an
alternative
that
I'm
aware
of
at
this
point,
but
we're
gonna
legislate
what
we
pay
attention
is
to
legislate,
behavior
I'm,
just
curious
if
we've
actually
taken
the
approach
of
the
carrot
as
opposed
to
the
stick.
Yes,.
AD
Both
purchasing
is
something
that
all
those
organizations
are
talking
about.
We
are
now
talking
about,
I
mean
the
Restaurant
Association
is
thinking
about
it
and
I
think
the
question
comes
down
to
who
takes
ownership
of
it
and
I
think
during
our
one-year
transition.
That's
when
we
can
have
discussions
and
collaborate
to
try
to
figure
out
who
could
own
this?
Who
could
manage
bulk
purchasing?
CC
T
T
AD
T
B
CF
CF
All
right,
what
one
other
one
other
person,
I
I've,
got
a
I
got
a
call
last
week
from
a
restaurant
owner.
That's
actually
in
support
of
of
all
of
this
and
turn
this
over.
He
said
his
issue
is
that
his
issue
is,
he
buys
in
bulk
some
of
his
stuff
and
he
stores
it
and
it's
multiple
months
that
he
does
this.
CF
What
I?
What
I'm
concerned
about
with
the
December
1st
date
is
if,
for
some
reason,
this
doesn't
pass,
it
doesn't
come
along
if
this
gets
delayed
down
the
road
that
may
cause
a
that,
may
cause
a
problem
for
some
restaurant
because
they
may
not
have
a
year
now
if
it
passes
that
that's
fine.
You
know
if
this
passes
to
me
but
I'm
concerned
for
that
restaurant
owner
not
having
enough
time
that
made
by
and
bolt
to
save
money
and
doesn't
have
time
to
replace
what
they
have
so
we're.
CF
AY
K
This
might
seem
kind
of
ridiculous,
but
if
I
was
a
business
center,
it
would
make
a
lot
more
sense
if
I
knew
that
the
enforcement
date
was
like
January,
1st,
20
or
20/20
I.
Don't
understand
why
we
would
have
it
December
first
I
understand
you
were
going
for
a
year,
but
it
just
makes
more
sense
that
you
know
the
fiscal
year
starts.
CE
The
mayor's
right,
we
changed
the
effective
date
of
the
ordinance
to
be
upon
ratification
with
with
the
hope
that
that
would
avoid
a
preemption
issue
down
the
road,
but
we
thought
the
wise
part-
and
this
is
something
you
can
certainly
amend
this
on.
The
idea
was
to
give
some
period
of
time
so
that
the
businesses
could
could
come
into
compliance
with
the
ordinance
before
we
started
enforcing
it.
CE
K
Think
I
pour
leaf
raised
what
I
was
trying
to
say
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
would
like
us
to
add
one
more
month
to
this
day
and
started
on
January
1st
2020
as
an
enforcement
enforcement,
not
the
passing
of
it.
Just
the
enforcement
I
think
that
makes
more
sense
and
it
gives
us
a
good.
You
know
me,
you
know
a
good
marketing
tool
to
say:
hey
20,
20,
January
1st,
that's
it.
You
know,
I
just
think
it
makes
more
sense.
Yeah.
CG
Can
be
amended,
I
think
the
December
first
decision
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
firm
date
that
would
be
about
a
year
out
from
now.
Instead
of
making
it
November
27th
of
next
year,
just
made
more
sense
to
make
it
December
1st,
but
I
also
agree.
It
might
make
more
sense
to
make
it
January
1st
of
the
following
year
or
so
about.
CC
B
A
AD
BQ
B
BY
B
B
BY
BY
For
the
exam
I
think
we
weren't
about
the
state.
We
worry
about
what
other
municipalities
do
we're,
not
thinking
about
this
thing,
working
with
the
other
businesses
working
with
industry,
to
do
the
closely
associated
agent
industries
and
those
to
come
up
with
some
ways
to
make
sure
that
you
match
the
consumers
get
what
they
need
to
get
we're
worried
about
what
the
state's
gonna
do
when
other
person
to
do
and
write
our
own
are
honest,
I
think
to
please
us
and
a
do.
BY
What
we
think
is
right
and
look
out
for
the
betterment
of
all
citizens,
not
just
maybe
I'll
107
citizens
that
live
in
this
city,
maybe
10,000
every
day
that
might
and
most
people
are
the
Salomon,
solid,
ROM
players
in
and
Kiowa
come
in
and
tell
us
well.
We
need
to
pass
this
all
in
this
hardness
need
to
be
thoughtful
words
and
be
passed
by
people
to
represent
the
people
at
the
city
and
not
being
persuade
by
the
majority
of
people
that
don't
even
live
in
this
thing.
BY
BY
BY
Et
cetera
said:
all
citizens
should
know,
there's
a
law
against
littering
whether
you
told
your
trash
on
Broad
Street,
you
get
it
ticket.
Are
you
going
the
beach
and
you
throw
your
trash
in
the
rubble?
Are
you
riding
down
the
highway?
You
throw
your
bags
on
the
highway,
we're
picking
on
just
one
little
thing:
plastic
bags,
because
plastic
cups,
we
got
straw,
you
got
many
more
things
to
come
with
plastic
and
just
plastic
bag,
but
we
will.
We
have
you
listen
to
everybody
spoke
tonight.
BY
I'm
hopeful,
okay,
I
mean
I,
know
what
the
water
you
see
right.
I
know
what
the
ordinance
a
right
and
I
know
what
they're
thinking
too.
But
we
are
not
thinking
we're
not
thinking
about
the
people
that
we
are
affecting
two
goals
in
the
grocery
stores
and
buy
groceries
and
news
plastic
bag,
people
that
have
to
get
their
coward,
hey,
buddy,
don't
have
a
car
golden
goose,
don't
get
four
or
five
bags
and
go
through.
Don't
have
a
car
to
walk
outside
and
put
it
in
user
got
it
kids
camp.
BY
You
got
a
walk
either
gotta
catch
the
bus.
You
got
to
be
able
to
carry
you
go
through,
so
we're
not
thinking
about
900
speech.
We
only
think
about
a
few
people,
thinking
that
we
that
somebody's
stupid
just
gonna,
throw
it
right
on
the
street
door
to
the
river.
That's
all
we
think
about
a
plastic
bag.
Nothing
else.
I
think
we
need
to
give
it
some
more
thought
now,
maybe
I'm
the
crazy
one
here
tonight.
You
know
now
I
do
what
you
want
to
do,
but
you
don't
have
my
vote.
P
Creation
because
I
know
we
do
I
know
a
lot
of
this
was
online.
If
it
was
going
to
us
go
over
and
over
again
a
lot
of
people
I
represent
the
woman.
I
know
it's
their
fault,
not
doing
it,
but
I
still
have
to
be
stressed
out
with
them,
because
I
have
to
answer
to
them
myself.
So
I
believe
that
if
the
committee
sends
something
ought
to
teach
Milo's,
neighborhood
associations,
president
and
let
them
kinda
is
symbol
that
those
information
out
to
that
particular
community,
then
I'll
feel
more
comfortable
and
I
can
say
well.
P
This
was
given
out
to
you
all.
This
is
know
about
it,
because
if
you
look
at
the
people
that
I
represent,
which
I
have
a
very
diverse
district,
but
a
lot
of
them
still
saying
to
me,
I,
don't
know
anything
about
that
right
now
today,
because
they
didn't
read
about
it,
didn't
go
online,
I
checked
it,
but
then
it's
still
coming
out
for
me.
So
that's
why
I
mentioned
the
last
time.
P
The
last
thing
I
was
something
like
everyone
should
know
about,
would
be
a
plan
when
doing
so
on
the
other
people
that
come
up
with
the
big
basket
of
groceries
out
of
the
stores
they're,
the
one
that
using
most
of
the
plastic
bags
more
so
once
they
once
you
have
reached
out
to
them
and
even
sent
something
out
to
them.
They
all
feel
satisfied
more
satisfied
that
okay,
if
you
will
come
the
voice,
your
opinion,
that's
up
to
you.
P
You
know,
unless
you
know
about
it,
so
I
would
still
have
the
committee
to
send
out
something
you
could
get
the
soup
riffin,
and
this
far
as
all
the
Neighborhood
Association
president
sent
out
to
their
even
to
the
president
of
the
consortium,
neighborhood
send
out
the
damn
lithium
disseminate
information
out
to
the
body
to
the
community,
so
they
are
feel
comfortable
to
that,
because
otherwise
there's
a
lot
of
people
listening
mayor,
there's
a
lot
of
people.
I
know
this
was
out
a
long
time.
It's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
district
I
represent.
P
This
is
like
ten
thousand
seven
thousand
people.
They
don't
do
anything
about
it.
It's
no
problem
at
about
because
they're,
beautiful
and
I
know
if
you
feel
Savior,
that's
the
only
fault
but
I
select
the
represent.
So
that's
a
long
thing
tonight
know
about
it.
You
know
it's
just
the
problem
with
it,
but
I
suggest
so
need
to
be
informed.
So
this
wouldn't
cause
any
problems
at
the
polls
and
everyplace
else.
I'm
telling
you
would
be
a
same,
so
I
would
still
like
to
have
a
forum
and.
M
P
E
I'm
go
ahead,
mr.,
where
yeah
I
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
questions
and
make
a
couple
statements
up
on
page
five
of
the
ordinance
that
item
K.
This
is
any
product
purchase
prepared
to
package
outside
of
the
city.
I
didn't
understand
exactly
why
that
was
put
in
and
then
why
was
take
it
out?
Can
you
tell
me
sure
what
was
the
purpose
of
that
so.
AD
That
one
honestly,
it
was
in
the
Mount
Pleasant
ordinance
and
we
had
copied
it
over
and
we
thought
it
applied
to
egg
cartons,
and
when
we
reread
it,
we
actually
thought
the
verbiage
was
pretty
confusing
and
we
we
hadn't,
we
weren't
able
to
get
any
clarity
on
what
it
really
meant
and
we
so
so
we
decided
to
scratch
it
and
just
make
egg
cartons
really
clear
in
the
in
the
one
above
it.
Okay,.
E
E
Olivia
Marlo
and
Caitlin
took
me
on
a
tour
of
actually
around
Citadel
mall
back
by
the
theater
area
back
there
and
we
got
out
in
the
ditches
and
called
all
this
stuff
out,
and
it
was
kind
of
interesting
because
there
wasn't
there
was
several
bobs
of
plastic
and
it
was
disintegrating
most
all
of
it,
and
we
were
trying
to
say
well.
Is
this?
You
know.
Is
this
something
that's
banned
or
is
this
something
that's
not
ban
and
there
were
big
pieces
of
plastic
wrapping?
E
There
were
bags
from
circle-k
the
gas
station
I'm
assuming
those
that
all
establishments
that
would
cover
those,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
small
bags
from
different
places
that
that
that
are
not
exempt
that
or
that
are
exempt
that
are
not
covered
by
the
ban,
but
it
was
an
eye-opening
experiment.
Really
wasn't
that
much
of
an
eye-opening
experience,
because
the
last
time
I
discussed
this
thing,
I
said
we
don't
have
a
bag
problem.
E
We
have
a
litter
problem
and
I
mean
it's
it's
interesting
to
me
to
see
that
if
we
pass
this
bad
and
I'm
gonna
probably
vote
for
it,
but
it's
going
to
solve
flooding.
You
saw
the
grade
up
there.
That's
it's
gonna
solve
flooding
a
couple.
People
talked
about
global
warming.
It's
going
to
see
rise
is
going
to
be
solved
by
this.
E
We
do
have
a
really
bad
problem
with
litter
and
I.
You
know
I
wish
I
wish
some
I
thought
about
it
earlier
about
maybe
asking
our
police
chief
or
somebody
to
come
here
and
say:
how
can
we
take
this
band
and
during
this
year
really
crack
down
on
on
litter?
I
mean
I
I
would
love
to
have
as
part
of
this
ban
an
instruction
to
our
municipal
judges
that
we
need
to.
E
You
know
something
that
says:
let's
go
after
this
litter,
it's
awful
and
when
you
go
out
as
I
did
with
these
four
I
would
suggest
every
single
one
of
you
ought
to
go
out.
What
I
saw
the
most
of
was
styrofoam
cups?
They
were
everywhere,
they
were
I
mean
they
were
in
every
ditch.
They
were
in
every
bush.
They
were
everywhere.
I
would
vote
to
outlaw
styrofoam
cups
tonight.
If
that
was
in
you
know,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
kind
of
leaning
towards
it
sweet
so
now
I
guess
we're
going
to
have
paper
cups.
E
I'm
not
I'm,
not
denying
it's
a
problem,
it's
not
a
problem
with
the
plastic,
it's
a
problem
with
litter
and
my
understanding
and
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
everything
I've
heard
and
read
deals
with
the
real
plastics
and
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
terms.
I
think,
as
mr.
Lewis
said,
about
plastic
and
bags
and
they're
they're
kind
of
interchanged,
but
the
real
problem.
E
E
Not
saying
you
don't
find
some
of
it:
okay,
I'm
just
saying:
if
you're
going
to
look
at
it,
the
real
plastic,
that's
out
in
the
environment,
it's
it's
not
plastic
bags.
I'll,
say
plastic
bags
are
like
one-percenter
or
something
around
that.
So
again
we
got
a
litter
problem,
but
the
second
one
was
the
polyester.
We
wash
our
clothes
and
all
the
fabric
that
the
fabrics
that
get
washed
out
of
clothes
into
our
estuaries
right
out
of
Plum
Island.
E
So
but
anyway,
I'm
will
vote
for
this,
primarily
because
of
the
styrofoam
products
that
need
to
be
eliminated,
but
I
really
wish.
We
could
do
something
about
this
litter.
This
litter
I
mean,
if
you
know,
I'll,
look
forward
to
all
this
problem.
Solving
of
this
flooding
and
sea
rise
and
everything
that
this
is
in
a
song
we've.
R
You
know
this:
the
minute
I
am
I,
remember
councilman
white
talking
about
change
in
behavior.
We
have
a
behavior
problem.
He
said
that
you
know
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
he
was
right
and
we
also
discussed
about
behavior
changing
you
know
with
grocery
stores,
offering
paper
or
plastic.
You
know
talked
about
other
cities.
You
don't
see.
You've
now
seen
paper
straws.
The
councilman
Lewis
has
a
very
good
point
and
Councilman
Mitchell.
R
Somehow
and
it's
funny
it's
a
it
may
be
a
cultural
thing.
Might
I
discuss
with
Bill.
My
daughter
was
in
graduate
school
in
Chicago
in
a
city,
and
she
got
a
little
cart.
Two-Wheel
cart
and
you
see
them
all
over
in
the
big
cities,
but
you
very
rarely
see
at
least
people
in
Charleston,
going
to
the
grocery
store,
with
a
cart
pulling
their
back.
They
use
the
plastic
bags
out.
Oh
well.
R
This
audits
going
to
pass
I,
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
waiting
until
sometimes
in
December,
for
the
third
reading.
If
it's
one
piece,
that's
missing
here
in
our
democracy,
we
certainly
heard
from
mills
and
support
of
it
you're
hearing
from
me
now,
so
we
really
haven't
heard
from
those
in
the
industry
and
I-
don't
mean
somebody
in
a
factory
making
plaster
days
I'm
talking
about
like
mr.
Condon,
who
came
up
earlier.
R
Who
was
for
the
ban
but
I
think
before
he
got
to
this
point
about
the
small
business
person
his
time
was
up
and
he
he
left
now
they
could
have
come
the
first
time
they
did.
They
could
have
been
here
today.
They
did
councilman
Wagner
in
conversation
suggested
a
public
hearing
on
it.
We
had
citizen
participation,
but
we
didn't
have
public
hearing.
I
would
encourage
some
of
the
people
in
the
industry
to
come
forward
because
I
think
there's
some.
Maybe
if
both
aides
got
together,
have
a
look,
a
solution.
R
Councilman
Griffin
is
right,
I
think
the
January
1st
date
is
good.
I
mean
we
can
vote
on
this
in
certainly
December,
but
the
General
Assembly,
and
we
know
how
to
General
Assembly
works.
It
not
go
fast.
Anything
do
by
January,
15,
okay,
I,
think
they're,
just
coming
in
in
session
in
middle
January,
so
most
of
those
bills
get
through
around
April
I'm.
Sorry,
June,
May
June
of
the
session,
so
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
wait
to
that
period
of
time,
but
we
certainly
have
between
now
and
in
the
first
week
of
January.
So
I
will.
R
K
K
Theoretically,
you
could,
for
the
next
year,
stop
up
on
plastic
bags
for
a
year
and
then
go
into
the
grocery
store
and
because
you
brought
in
your
own
bag
once
the
law
goes.
In
effect,
you
can
still
use
plastic
bags.
It
says
bags
of
any
type
that
the
customer
brings
to
the
store
for
their
own
use
for
carrying
away
from
store,
Goods
they're
not
placed
in
the
bag
provided
by
the
store.
Why
would
we
have
something
like
that
in
there?
If
we're
trying
to
eliminate
the
use
of
single
use
plastic
bags?
B
C
I
would
just
say,
I
think
that
the
whole
point
of
this
ordinance
is
not
to
regulate
the
actual
citizen
from
doing
exactly
what
they
feel
free
to
do
with
reusing
products
that
that
they
have,
you
know,
retained
literally.
We
are
trying
to
change
the
opportunity
for
people
to
use
bags.
That
will
then
stand
the
test
of
time
so
and
councilmember
Lewis
I
I
have
heard
you
from
the
very
beginning
and
I
I.
C
Do
think
that
in
the
inquiries
that
I've
made
to
low
country
local
first
as
an
example
of
an
association
that
that
organizes
the
interests
of
local
business,
which
are
primarily
small
business,
as
you
can
imagine
that
there
is
a
great
interest
among
business
owners
who
are
conscientious
and
also
the
marketing
world.
As
mr.
Daniell
told
us
tonight,
they're
gonna
line
up
to
create
opportunities
for
citizens
to
have
permanent
bags.
That
will
be,
you
know,
able
to
replace
I
mean
the
the
volume
of
plastic
bags
that
a
person
needs
to
carry
around.
As
someone
said.
C
Basically,
you
have
three
items
in
it
and
they
fall
over.
So
I
I
keep
this
little
bag
in
my
purse
and
it
carries
four
times
what
a
plastic
bag
would.
Gary
I
have
three
of
them,
one
in
every
receptacle
that
I
own
and
use
on
a
regular
basis
and
I
think
we
could
dedicate
ourselves
through
the
people
who
want
to
market
and
who
want
to
help
at-risk
communities
learn
how
to
appreciate
the
fact
that
they've
got
something
that
is
going
to
contribute
to
their
kids
and
their
grandkids
wealth
welfare
over
time.
C
So
I
look
forward
to
the
opportunity
of
helping
I've
gone
on.
Many
sweeps
I
would
be
happy
to
go
to
a
you
know,
a
community
center
or
one
of
the
faith,
communities
and
and
hand
out
bags
and
hand
out
information
to
help.
People
really
appreciate
why
we're
doing
this
as
a
conscientious
community
and
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
a
lot
of
you
are,
you
know,
gonna
vote
for
it,
even
though
it
might
not
be
the
cry
of
your
heart
to
do
so.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Council.
CH
CH
I,
don't
think
it's
totally
the
way
it
should
be,
but
that's
partially,
my
fault
I
did
not
get
my
comments
to
Katie
or
Marc,
and
they
kindly
matter
due
to
some
other
problems.
I
was
having
so
I
can't
really
say
bad
ordinates,
because
I
didn't
I,
didn't
submit
my
paperwork.
So
having
confessed
to
that,
let's
think
about
this.
For
a
minute:
we've
listening
to
council
member
wearing
what
would
another
week
or
two
cost
one
Wow.
CH
CH
There's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
some
version
of
this
thing
hashed
the
past
okay
and
in
will
fast,
but
that's
kind
of
I
I,
really
think
that
maybe
if,
as
I
told
Keith
the
other
day,
when
I
saw
him,
I
really
loved
him
had
I
had
a
public
hearing
on
it
and
that
way
the
folks
are
having
apprehension
the
small
business
owner.
Who
guess
will
hurt?
CH
Maybe
if
I've
only
got
one
small
unit
doing
30,000
or
50,000
a
year
and
that's
how
I'm
feeding
my
family,
you
know,
maybe
maybe
there
could
be
another
exception.
You
know
what
I'm
you
know
if
you're
following
my
thought,
so
what
I'm
thinking
is?
We've
we've
danced
around
it.
So
I
want
to
do
one
thing:
let's
see
if
we
can
defer
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
defer
one
meeting
I
mean
it
doesn't
get.
A
second
looks.
B
BZ
Well,
I
think
deferring.
It
is
just
pick
me
down
the
road
again
number
one
I,
don't
think
we
should
defer.
This
we've
been
working
on
this
for
a
number
of
years.
Yes,
it
has
some
problems,
it
has
some
kinks
that
need
to
be
corrected
and
I
think
we
can
do
that
on
an
ongoing
basis.
I
mean,
if
you
cook
it
a
little
more,
it's
still
gonna
be
plastic
and
I.
Think
I.
Think
I
really
think
if
we
listen
to
the
people.
BZ
BZ
BZ
I'm
doing
why
are
we
kicking
it
down?
The
road
they've
had
two
three
four
opportunities
to
speak.
The
comments
they've
had
two
or
three
years
while
we've
been
working
on
this
to
speak,
to
comment
and
they've
not
been
here,
as
as
a
council
I
think
it's
important
that
we
listen
to
the
people.
The
people
from
our
districts
who
spoke
in
opposition
and
I
am
sensitive,
I
mean
favor
I'm.
Sorry,
thank
you.
I
mean
you
know,
and
in
all
due
respect
to
my
my
councilmen
I
definitely
understand
how
people
reuse
plastic
bag.
BZ
We
all
do
when
we
go
to
a
cookout
and
we
want
to
carry
food
out.
Okay,
mom,
my
dad
brings
the
plastic
bags
out
to
carry
about.
They
still
could
do
that.
Okay,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
very,
very
important
if
we
have
have
some
of
the
groceries
in
some
of
the
industries
saying
that
they're
willing
to
work
with
us
to
develop
an
alternative
to
plastic,
we
should
take
them
up
on
that.
BZ
Okay,
we
really
should
take
them
out
up
on
that,
because
I
do
think
that
the
folks
who
are
riding
the
bicycle
with
the
plastic
bag
would
do
the
same
thing
if
they
had
alternative
bags.
I,
don't
think
that
that's
going
to
make
that
much
of
a
difference,
I
really
think.
We've
worked
pretty
hard
on
this
piece.
Nothing
is
perfect.
BZ
Nothing
is
perfect
and
if
we're,
if
we're
going
to
set
up
precedent,
okay,
that
every
single
thing
that
this
body
passes-
okay,
step,
we're
gonna
defer
it.
So
a
specific
group
can
comment
when
that
group
has
had
an
opportunity
to
comment
three
years.
Okay,
what
are
we
here
for
I?
Don't
understand
it.
I
will
not
support
it.
Affirm
deferral
on
this
at
all,
I
think
all
we
do
is
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
I
think
that
everybody
on
this
council
at
some
point,
I,
think
I.
CC
CC
You
know
if
somebody
gets
a
plastic
bag
in
North
Charleston,
which
I've
assumed
and
they
don't
have
a
band
they
get
on
the
bus
and
they
go
downtown
to
work.
They
don't
have
anything
else
to
do
with
that
bag
and
they
throw
it
on
the
ground.
We
still
have
a
problem
so
said
time
and
time
again,
we
do
have
a
literary
problem.
CC
We
have
a
little
problem
we,
and
so
what
we
effectively
do
by
passing
this
ordinance
is
we
compact
does
that
recycle
this
aluminum,
not
plastic
I,
do
think
that
ultimately,
we're
not
going
to
end
up
at
the
outcome
that
we
all
sit
here
and
think
we're
going
to
come
up
with
and
councilor
moody
sort
of
said
in
jest.
You
know
flood
sea-level
rising.
Is
it's
the
same
idea?
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
legislate
the
change
of
behavior
for
littering
that
this
is
just
it's
not
going
to
do
it.
CC
You
know
I
sit
here
and
I'm
torn
I,
you
know
I,
guess
I
have
to
pinch
my
nose
and
vote
for
the
saying,
but
I
think
it
can
be
better.
I'd
really
did
and
I.
Think.
The
reality,
though,
is
if
we
really
are
interested
in
fixing
our
littering
problem.
This
is
not
it.
This
enforcement
of
the
existing
litter
laws,
that's
what
we
really
need
to
be
focused
on
all.
R
That's
what
I
want
to
speak
to
mr.
Mann?
Yes,
sir
I'm,
not
in
favor
the
motion
to
defer,
because
I
think
we
can
give
this
second
reading
tonight,
because
we
are
going
to
have
another
meeting
in
December,
so
I
think
we're
gonna
have
well
again
in
December
and
we're
gonna
have
a
second.
We
can
have
two
meetings
in
December.
We
can
get
this
done
passed
in
2018
and
I,
hear
my
good
friend
councilman
Greg
Lee.
It's
been
working
on
this
for
three
years,
but
it's
only
been
in
front
of
this
council
30
days.
R
Okay,
so
then
I
would
I
would
say.
Why
do
we
need?
Why
can't
we
go
another
week?
What's
lister
rush
to
try
to
get
a
little
bit
more
accuracy
in
particular?
What's
excluded
and
I'd
be
interested
to
know
how
many
little
tickets
come
through
our
court
system
I
mean
snow
seriously,
Lady
Bird
Johnson?
Would
it
be
ashamed
of
us?
You
know
we
at
least
my
generation
kind
of
grew
up.
R
If
we
were
to
tie-
and
you
know
what,
when
we
and
you
had
to
write
pictures
up
there
with
the
truck
trash
in
the
back
of
the
truck,
we
all
have
to
be
better
stewards,
but
we
have
to
enable
our
enforcement
people
to
issue
those
fine
and
once
those
fines
were
to
be
paid,
you
know
all
of
a
sudden
habits
will
be
changed.
Councilman
white.
We
can
give
out
speeding
tickets,
but
we
can't
give
out
tickets
for
littering.
R
So
again
does
the
list
of
exemptions
need
to
be
as
long
probably
not,
but
to
say
that
we've
been
working
on
it
three
years,
two
years,
18
months,
the
committee
has
done
the
work,
I
appreciate
every
bit
of
it,
but
by
the
same
token,
it
can
be
before
this
council
longer
than
30
days.
So
we
don't
have
to
defer.
We
can't.
R
We
don't
have
to
have
a
motion
to
the
floor
without
without
bullying
on
the
second,
we
vote
on.
Second,
and
don't
do
concurrent
it'll
automatically
be
in
front
of
us
have
additional
time
for
the
industry
to
come
forward.
We
haven't,
we
haven't,
asked
them
to
come
forward
as
a
council,
so
they
anyway,
that
would
be
that's.
Why
I'm
not
gonna
vote
for
deferral,
I
would
vote
for
second
reading
in.
B
P
CF
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
I
called
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
business
owners,
restaurant
owners
and
things
like
that
in
in
my
discussions
with
them,
there
were
a
lot
of
them
that
are
very
much
in
support
of
this.
However,
they
didn't
realize
that
we
were
where
we
are
now.
Why
I
don't
know
and
couple
of
them
I
said
you
know.
Have
you
have
you
had
your
head
in
the
sand?
CF
This
has
been
going
on,
you
know,
but
there
there
are
business
owners
that
haven't
known
you
know
for
a
year
or
two
that
this
has
been
work
going
and
a
lot
of
them.
The
only
way
they
knew
is
because
I
called
now
I
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
why
that
is,
but
it
could
be
a
reason
why
they
they
are
not.
They
have
not
been
here
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
same,
the
same
one
that
I
told
you
about
earlier.
That
was
that
was
for
this,
but
needed
but
needed
time.
CF
BA
B
N
B
B
N
B
Thank
you.
So
this
matter
has
been
debated
for
some
time
through
our
resiliency
committee.
We
we
brought
it
forward
some
months
ago
and
decided
that
needed
more
input
from
the
business
community
we
reached
out
to
the
chamber
and
other
business
groups
grocery
stores.
We
talked
to
a
number
of
you.
In
fact,
we
amended
the
ordinance
councilmember
Mitchell
to
make
sure
we
included
that
every
store
would
have
to
provide
a
free
bag
of
some
kind
to
customers.
You
know
if
plastics
weren't
allowed
so
on.
B
A
lot
of
thought
has
gone
on
into
this
and
in
fact,
at
our
last
meeting,
where
we
robustly
discuss
this
ordinance
staff
was
listening
very
carefully
and
that's
why
you
ended
up
with
five
amendments
on
this
ordinance,
because
we
will
we
knew
it
wasn't
perfect.
It's
still
not
perfect.
It's
never
going
to
be
perfect,
but
but
but
we've
really
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
it,
and
we've
come
a
long
way
and
think
about
this
for
a
minute.
We're
not
going
to
enforce
this
thing
for
a
year.
B
So
if
there's
a
change
that
that
someone
brings
forward
that
needs
to
be
made,
we
can
make
a
change
to
the
ordinance
before
we
enforce
it.
It's
true
and
so
I
would
urge
council
to
please
proceed
and
approve
this
ordinance.
Tonight.
We've
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
it.
I
think
you've
gotten
a
clear
indication
from
citizens
all
of
our
city,
including
many
business
owners
that
they
support
it.
B
Next
week,
I'm
thinking
I'm
gonna
be
eating
microplastics
in
my
oysters
that
were
harvested
here
in
South
Carolina,
we
got
a,
we
got
to
start
somewhere,
so
I
would
urge
you
to
prove
approve
this
tonight.
It's
not
perfect,
but
we
can
still
make
changes.
If
some
compelling
of
amendment
comes
for
council
member
wearing
and
then
shade
and
then
moody
wearing.
N
It's
been
a
long
night
I'm,
so
a
couple
things
first,
the
enemy
of
good
is
better.
We
have
a
good
ordinance
out
there.
We've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
and
I
would
suggest
my
fellow
council
members
that
those
who
are
in
the
business
of
supplying
in
the
chain
of
plastics
and
styrofoam
and
in
the
business
they're
actually
ahead
of
us
and
I
sort
of
observed
at
this.
N
This
way-
and
you
know
we
vote
what
our
constituents
want
to
do
and
vote
with
your
eyes
and
what
you
see
so
for
those
of
you
all
who
around
on
Saturday
our
Harbor
did
its
own
version
of
a
marsh
sweep
to
the
tune
of
an
eight
point.
Seven
six
foot,
tide
and
I
went
across
the
James
Island
connector
at
8:30
a.m.
which
was
high
tide
and
then
I
actually
went
for
a
run
and
I
heard.
N
Mr
quick
talk
about
along
the
Pitt
Street
bridge
about
10
o'clock
that
morning
and
the
tide
was
so
high
that
it
had
gotten
to
places
in
the
March
that
it
never
touches,
and
it
was
sort
of
that
gray
day.
It
was
really
those
low
clouds,
but
if
you
looked
around
the
margins
between
the
water
and
you
looked
at
the
land,
there
was
a
ring
all
around
the
harbor
in
Charleston
in
Mount
Pleasant.
N
N
So
after
doing
all
that,
and
going
along
the
Pitt,
Street
bridge
and
running
I
went
and
did
the
one
thing
I
love
to
do
on
Saturday,
which
is
go
to
five
loves
and
have
a
Coca
Cola
with
ice,
and
a
straw
and
I
forgot
to
bring
the
straws
that
you
all
kindly
gave
me
last
week
and
I
forgot.
My
paper
straws
and
I
sat
down.
I
asked
for
a
coke
I
got
it
then
ask
for
a
straw,
and
they
told
me
no
don't
we
know
so
they're
way
ahead
of
us.
This
is
a
small
business.
M
N
There
was
some
negotiating
I
did
observe
that
he
still
had
some
straws
on
site,
but
they
they
were
actually
willing
to
sell
them
to
me,
but
they're
the
industries
out
there
thinking
about
it,
so
enforcement's
not
gonna,
be
a
problem.
This
is
I
said
this
last
time
and
I'll
say
it
again:
it's
a
lot
like
the
smoking
ban
in
ten
years.
So
now
we'll
look
back
and
people
just
it
will
be
a
natural
nobody
today,
wouldn't
lean
across
the
someone
in
a
restaurant
and
started
smoking
say
be
the
same
with
straws
and
plastics
and
styrofoam.
N
You
know
if
we
give
this
second
reading
tonight
and
then
put
off
third
reading,
it's
coming
back
up
again
next
week,
nothing's
gonna
get
accomplished
in
that
week.
That's
any
different,
the
enemy
of
good
being
better
and
we're
gonna
have
to
take
up
our
budget.
Let's
pass
this
thing,
it's
time
to
pass
it
we've
been
asked
overwhelmingly
by
our
constituents
to
pass
this.
We've
made
adjustments
once
he
gets
in
place,
we'll
see
how
it
all
goes.
It's
really
not
just
the
one
but
a
two-year
period
in
which
there
will
be
some
experimentation
with
this.
N
T
Bad
word
all
right:
we
need
to
pass
this
tonight.
We've
got
a
budget
we
got
to
take
out
next
week
and
I
know.
I
know
how
long
a
bunch
is
going
to
take
us
on
the
some
of
the
four
I.
Just
don't
see.
What's
gonna
change
between
now
and
December,
the
fourth
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
come
forward
and
talk
about
this
and
industry
members
have
are
here:
we've
got
emails
from
them.
We
got
letters
from
them.
T
They
had
an
opportunity
to
talk,
we
went
out
and
met
with
them
or
sat,
went
out
and
talked
to
them,
as
the
mayor
said,
but
this
is
going
to
do
is
stop
the
flow
or
reduce
the
flow.
I'll
have
an
impact
on
the
flow.
Then
look
at
this
gentleman
up
here
with
the
red
hat
only
came
out
and
talked,
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
bring
up
this
slide
behind
our
larks
head.
T
My
sick
is
going
to
be
around
it's
there.
If
it's
not
there,
it
won't
be
around
I
mean
that
sounds
kind
of
silly,
but
the
basic
fact
of
all
this
is
that
you
don't
have
to
recycle
something.
That's
not!
That
does
not
exist
this.
This
plastic
is
around
as
you'll
stay
around
forever
and
it's
toxic,
which
means
it's
bad
for
us,
and
so,
if
we
just
get
rid
of
a
thousand
mags
or
two
thousand
knives
or
ten
thousand
bags
whatever
it
is,
we're
getting
rid
of
not
many
more
bags
out
of
our
system.
T
Now
the
point
about
the
litter
I
think
that
falls
back
on
our
public
safety
committee
to
look
at.
Why
we're
not
enforcing
little
rules,
and
that
should
be
one
of
the
items
on
our
next
meetings
on
public
safety-
is
why
we're
not
enforcing
little
rules
and
get
that
taken
care
of.
But
the
folks
who
are
here
tonight
are
going
to
come
back
on
December
the
4th.
T
B
U
K
R
I
do
have
a
question
about
that
amendment.
Could
you
actually
said
something?
Mr.
mythic
kid
could
possibly
happen.
You
said
about
the
retroactivity
of
the
of
the
General
Assembly.
Why
don't
we
did
it?
Do
it
December
31st,
okay,
December
31st!
My
point
is
if
they
were
to
go
back
to
the
beginning
a
year
to
June
enforcement.
M
R
R
You
wanted
to
say
thank
you,
mr.
min
everything
that
councilman
seeking
said
about
the
marsh
and
the
high
feet
and
a
half
foot
tide,
and
all
of
that
it's
correct
everything
that
councilman
Shaheed
has
said
is
correct
and
none
of
that
changes
of
December
foot.
The
comments
have
been
people
came,
citizens
bulk
and
we
all
heard
him
I
agree
with
them.
As
I
said,
I
support
this,
but
every
step
along
the
way
is
that
better.
This
is
a
better
ordinance
than
it
was
two
weeks
ago.
R
The
ordinance
that
we
voting
on
tonight
is
a
better
ordinance
and
it
was
two
weeks
ago
why?
Because
we
put
some
addition
into
my
hat,
we
heard
a
little
bit
more
again.
What
is
the
damage
you
still
will
accomplish?
We
will
accomplish
the
citizens
will
accomplish
getting
this
passed
on
third
reading
in
December,
so
this
fall.
The
world
is
gonna,
come
up
to
end
between
the
day
and
a
week
from
now.
I
just
disagree
with
that.
I
will
support
the
second
reading
on
it.
E
Would
I
want
to
vote
for
second
reading
tonight,
but
I
want
to
instruct
our
staff
or
whomever
to
look
at
how
we
can
strengthen
these
litter
laws
between
now
and
when
we
vote
for
the
third
I
mean
I
personally,
I
feel
like
if
we
don't
at
least
do
that
we
have
passed
an
empty
mall,
that's
not
going
to
really
solve
any
problem.
It's
just
gonna
feel
good,
we'll
go
away
from
here
and
everything
will
go
right
on
that's
why
I
want
to
see
if
we
can't
improve
it
with
the
enforcement
of
the
litter.
E
What
we
can
maybe
do
to
add
to
this
ordinance
between
now
and
I,
don't
know
if
they
can
get
it
done
for
the
4th,
but
certainly
by
the
18th
that
if
we
could
make
that
and
then
give
it
third
reading,
I
would
I
would
be
very
supportive
of
that.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
see
done.
You
asked
me
what
the
reason
was.
Why
are
you
going
to
defer
it?
That's
why
I
wanted
to
first,
because
I
think
we're
missing
an
opportunity.
Well,.
B
I
understand
that
I
mean
you
just
heard
from
our
chairman
of
Public
Safety,
that
he's
going
to
take
this
matter
up
and
and
with
all
due
respect,
I
think
if
we
need
to
change
or
or
in
and
and
hand
sour
little
laws
that
that's
a
different
law
from
this.
That's
a
different
ordinance
from
this,
and
we
ought
to
just
put
this
on
the
books
and
then
deal
with
those.
E
B
But
but
this
does
so
many
different
things
and
and
and
we
listen
very
carefully
at
the
last
meeting
and
Katie
and
Marc
and
and
others
went
through
every
point
suggestion.
That's
what
led
to
these.
These
changes
that
these
amendments
that
we
came
back
to
you
with
and-
and
we
have
a
good
one
tonight
to
put
you
back
the
enforcement,
that's
fine.
We
just
made
an
amendment.
If
there's
something
specific
you've
got
to
add
to
it,
you
would
think
we
would
have
heard
it
tonight.
B
BZ
CE
We
can
look
at
ways
to
strengthen
them
and
the
issue
there
is
really
enforcement.
It's
not
it's,
not
the
law.
I
mean
there's
a
good
law
in
the
books.
It
can
always
be
tweaked
or
whatever,
but
but
the
issue
is
enforcement
and
and
and
how
we
can
improve
enforcement
of
the
litter
laws,
and
that
is
a
discussion
that
should
be
had
with
liveability
off,
with
Dan
and
and
with
chief
Reynolds.
And
so
you
know
we
could
add
an
amendment.
CE
That's
that's
refers
somehow
to
littering,
but
in
fact
they're
they're,
several
legal
schemes
and-
and
they
probably
do
not
need
to
be
intertwined
because
again
we
have
a
separate
set
of
ordinances
that
deal
with
litter.
Already
on
the
books,
you
know
again,
I
think
the
discussion
has
been.
How
do
we
look
at
those
separately
and
see
what
we
can
do
about
stepping
up
enforcement
of
of
those
laws?
CE
And-
and
we
could
look
at
that-
possibly
before
the
last
meeting
in
December
and
come
back
to
you
at
that
meeting,
with
some
suggestions
on
improving
the
litter
ordinance
and
how
to
step
up
enforcement-
and
we
would
certainly
legal
will
be
happy
to
do
that
and
work
with
police
and
liveability
to
come
back
and
and
put
some
teeth
into
that
ordinance.
If
that's
necessary.
Councilmember.
K
See
your
point,
because
if
you
look
at
this
ordinance,
you
look
at
the
beginning
and
it
talks
about
the
environmental
impact
of
plastic
I
mean
even
if
it's
just
a
reference
that
if
you're
seeing
littering
a
plastic,
your
fine
will
be
this
just
so
that
it
says
it
in
this
ordinance,
because
we're
saying
that
plastic
is
so
bad.
We've
had
all
these
comments.
K
That
say
that
plastic
is
the
number
one
pollutant
out
in
the
ocean
and
and
if
we
walk
around
Charleston
and
we
look
at
all
the
litter,
especially
in
ditches
and
all
throughout
the
city,
its
plastic
plastic
plastic.
You
know,
I,
think
that
plastic
should
be.
You
know,
littering
a
plastic
should
be
a
huge
fine
or
a
huge
punishment.
So
I
definitely
agree
with
you
that
there's
got
to
be
some
way
that
we
at
least.
AJ
C
Maybe
we
could
put
it
in
to
the
law,
whereas
so
simply,
whereas
the
city
of
Charleston
enforces
a
litter
love,
you
know
whatever
the
legal
code,
references
and
and
leave
it
at
that.
It
just
states
that
we
have
a
letter,
a
litter
of
enforcement
policy
gone
shanty
with
the
fact
that
we
want
to
stop
the
pipeline
for
the
worst
items
that
are
being
littered
so
I,
don't
I
mean
I.
C
Think
that
the
idea
of
having
Public
Safety
you
the
letter
wardens
and
decide
if
it's
strong
enough
and
it
just
needs
to
be
enforced
in
some
better
way.
When
we
have
all
the
police
there
are
in
the
world
to
do
that,
so
I
would
I
would
support
that.
You
could
put
a
wear
out
statement
in
there,
but
I
don't
I,
don't.
K
CC
You
know
combining
liberal
law
and
a
plastic
band,
probably
not
is
I,
think
I'm,
sad
I
mean
that
just
probably
gets
too
convoluted
and
it
really
just
sort
of
doesn't
really
do
anything.
Unfortunately,
just
like
this
ordinance
is
really
not
gonna
have
an
impact
as
it's
written
to
what
everybody
that
I
heard.
Stand-Up
wants
to
hear
and
that's
fixing
our
litter
problem.
Well,
one
thing
can
be
added
in
here.
Well,
all
right,
let
me
make
this
one
comment.
CC
CC
If
people
are
given
a
better
alternative
to
throwing
something
on
the
ground,
they
will
likely
take
it.
So
why
don't
we
add
into
this
ordinance,
something
that
stipulates
that
we're
going
to
add
more
trash
receptacles
across
the
city
and
give
people
a
better
alternative
to
throwing
trash
on
the
ground
if.
CE
M
CE
Brought
this
up
to
adding
litter
to
this
the
whole
food
Mizzou's,
Niels
I'm,
so
gonna
like
the
whole.
This
ordinance
focuses
on
the
businesses
and
littering
focuses
on
the
person
who
litters
and,
and
so
they
really
are
two
different
mechanisms
to
deal
with
a
common
problem,
so
so
I
think
again
the
the
recommendation
to
look
at
our
littering
laws
and,
and
maybe
also
talking
about
placing
more
garbage
cans
around
the
city
or
trash
cans
around
the
city
or
whatever.
Our
excellent
suggestions.
I
just
don't
think
that
they
need
to
be
tied
to
this
particular
ordinance.
E
Could
we
add
something
in
here
later
on
we're
gonna
take
of
this
hate
crime
issue?
Where
if
you
go
out
and
do
something
and
then
you
you
know
you
hurl
of
some
kind
of
racial
epithet
or
something
after
it,
you
can
get
charged
twice
is
there.
It
is
something
like
that
that
this
could
go
to
maybe
beefed
up
the
enforcement
of
littering
well.
B
B
A
B
CA
CA
B
BZ
Between
Grove
Street
and
Hampton
Park,
a
permanent
30-foot
access
easement
for
my
question
is:
where
is
that
is
that
11th
Street
will
vehicular
traffic
traffic
mean
anything
other
than
service
trucks?
Are
we
now
talking
about
I'm,
sorry,
solo
number,
ten
number,
ten,
okay
and
go
to
be.
Second,
the
second
be
down
you'll,
see
about
small
B,
okay,
okay,
permanent
30-foot
access
easement
for
the
particular
access
between
Grove
Street
in
Hampton
Park.
Where
is
that?
How
do
we
find
define
vehicular?
Are
we
talking
about
just
being
able
to
go
back
and
forth.
CE
CI
Is
this
has
to
do
with
the
future
of
SCE
and
G,
potentially
having
to
expand
that
substation
into
the
dog
park
and
then
having
and
depending
on
what
happens
to
that
parking
lot
at
the
corner?
It's
right
there
where
you've
entered
that
dog
park
right.
If
this
is
the
future
easement
to
make
sure
there's
always
a
curb
cut
to
the
park.
N
A
Q
A
A
B
B
M
B
R
R
B
R
Sent
the
check
to
the
first
mortgage
holder,
they
endorsed
the
check
they
brought.
The
check
to
the
city
turned
off,
so
they
can
get
the
work
done.
The
city
refused
to
sign
the
check
to
endorse
the
check
and
the
constituents
said:
I
need
this
money.
Okay,
I,
do
the
work
I
like
the
carpet
and
all
has
been
ripped
out
of
the
house
since
the
flooding
occurred
when
the
when
the
constituent
brought
to
the
city's
attention
that
I
don't
have
the
money
to
do
this
now.
This
is
what
the
Constituent
told
me.
R
I
didn't
hear
how
staff
sitters
you
can
get
a
bank
loan
and
when
the
when
you
get
the
work
done
then
will
endorse
the
check.
Well,
I
could
tell
you
we
had
a
number
of
properties
doing
Hugo
and
we
had
mortgages
on,
and
if
the
mortgage
company
didn't
endorse
the
check
we
couldn't
have
got
the
work
done
so
I,
don't
I
can't
think
of
him.
We
got
bankers
around
this
table.
R
A
situation
where
houses
in
need
of
repair
has
the
first
mortgage
in
a
second
mortgage
and
the
homeowners
gonna
go
out
there
and
get
a
third
mortgage
to
get
the
work
done.
That
FEMA
has
already
issued
a
check
to
pay.
So
if
that
is
in
fact
the
case-
and
that
is
a
policy,
we
need
to
change
that
policy,
so
I'll
staff
would
be
able
to,
in
this
case
it's
about
ten
thousand
dollars
worth
the
world
again.
It
did
not
affect
the
roof,
it
was
from
flooding.
B
M
B
So
the
next
meeting
is
next
Tuesday
December
4th
and
we
have
a
joint
meeting
with
the
Planning
Commission.
Finally
on
December
6
and
then
a
another
city
council
workshop
December
11th
at
4
o'clock,
so
we're
going
to
give
the
citizens
their
money's
worth
over
the
next
couple
weeks,
but
then
we'll
have
a
nice
holiday.