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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 12/20/22
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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 12/20/22
A
B
All
right
we're
good
to
go.
I'd
like
to
call
this
December
20th
meeting
of
the
city
council
of
Charleston
to
order
Madam
clerk.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll
councilmember.
B
Here
now,
if
y'all
would
like
to
join
us,
councilmember
Greg
is
going
to
lead
us
in
the
invocation
and
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
A
Lord
in
this
season
of
Advent,
we
are
thankful
for
you
coming
into
this
world,
all
of
our
feasts,
our
celebrations
and
our
decorations.
Our
mere
reminders
of
your
presence
here
with
us
and
a
small
Force
Taste
of
the
good
gifts
that
you
have
promised
us
Lord
as
the
weather
gets
colder
and
great
for
those
who
are
in
need
of
clothing,
food
and
shelter,
and
they
would
receive
the
help
that
they
need.
We
also
pray
for
those
in
Ukraine
where
it
is
much
colder,
many
of
whom
have
no
electricity
heat
or
running
water.
A
E
B
Thank
you
so
Council.
We
had
no
formal
presentations
for
tonight,
but
if
you
will
allow
me
a
couple
of
announcements,
first,
we
had
Dr
Stephen
fierstein
drop
by
a
poster
that
some
kids
made
with
the
kids
cancer
connection,
who
we
have
supported
it
in
the
past
and
will
again
next
year
and
they
thanking
city
council,
I,
thought
I
would
share
this
night's
closer.
B
They
made
a
force
and
dropped
by
City
Hall
next
I'd
just
like
to
wish
my
personal
happy,
Hanukkah
Merry
Christmas
to
everyone,
I'm
ready
for
a
great
holiday
season,
I
think
we've
been
seeing
one
already
this
year.
It
was
one
of
the
many
highlights.
Yesterday
was
the
dedication
for
five
days
of
the
giving
Machine
by
The
Church
of
Jesus
Christ
of
Latter-day
Saints
set
this
all
up,
and
it's
been
around
to
five
cities.
B
Now
the
last
one
being
Charleston,
and
it's
like
a
vending
machine
that
you
can
go
and
make
a
charitable
gift
a
a
it's
a
season
of
giving
right
and
it's
giving
that
we
receive.
So
they
have
these
Charities
all
set
up,
and
one
of
them
was
our
own
homeless
to
Hope
fund
that
we
at
the
City
of
Charleston
are
able
to
utilize
to
help
people
at
our
Hope
Center
when
they
need.
You
know
help
with
any
kinds
of
things,
and
so
it's
it's
in
the
vending
machine.
B
What
I
didn't
know
until
yesterday,
when
when
they
announced
it,
was
that
it's
been
on
there
for
the
last
few
weeks.
So
so
it's
going
around
the
fourth
cities
for
getting
up
getting
to
Charleston
and
in
fact,
by
the
time
it
got
here,
our
homeless
to
Hope
fund
had
already
received
over
1100
contributions
of
various
amounts.
B
You
know,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
nice
benefit
to
our
fund,
so
it
inspired
me
a
little
bit,
but
my
birthday
gift
to
to
you
all
this
year
is
I,
went
down
today
and
made
12
contributions
to
the
homeless
to
Hope
fund
through
the
giving
machine
all
expenses
are
paid,
so
Merry
Christmas,
everybody
yeah,
so
I
want
to
introduce
to
you.
B
B
But
when
you
give
of
yourself
it's
it's
from
the
heart
and
it's
amazing,
and
this
gentleman
he
works
for
our
livability
department
and
we've
allowed
him
to
take
a
little
time
off
lately
over
the
last
four
months,
he's
made
two
different
trips
to
the
Ukraine
and
has
been
just
like
a
person
National
ambassador
of
Good
Will
from
Charleston
and
our
country
to
Citizens
that
he
encountered
while
he
was
in
the
Ukraine
and
that
Jamie
price
right
here.
Please
stand
and
be
recognized.
B
Jamie
has
done
a
remarkable
job
over
there,
I'm
glad
to
have
you
back
safe
and
sound
and
I
think
he's
already
talking
about
going
back
over
there
again.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
then
lastly,
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
call
on
Jordy
Yarborough
with
the
state
Ports
Authority.
To
give
us
just
a
couple
of
minute
update.
She
left
you,
the
annual
report,
Jordy.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
and
thank
you
council
members.
Thank
you.
Jamie
for
your
service.
That's
wonderful!
Jordy
Yarborough
is
that
kind
of
Ports
Authority
I
brought
tonight
our
annual
report
for
you
all,
as
I,
have
done
on
the
last
couple
years.
I
want
to
just
point
out
that
fiscal
year
22
was
a
record
year
for
us.
At
the
Port
we
moved
2.85
million
teus,
that's
20
foot
equivalent
units
through
our
terminals.
It's
a
12
increase
from
last
year
in
the
report.
You'll
find
our
full
financials
our
economic
impact.
G
Some
of
you
know
this
representative
council
member
Brady.
It's
one
in
ten
jobs
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
and
a
1.1
billion
dollar
tax
revenues
generated
from
Port
activity.
G
There's
a
breakdown
of
our
capital
expenditure
projects,
including
Harbor,
deepening,
which
we
just
celebrated
the
completion
of
in
record
time,
update
on
our
mbif
project.
That's
forthcoming
list
of
environmental
initiatives,
I'm
calling
on
you
again,
because
you
know
you
know
that
one
in
ten,
because
representative
Brady
participated
in
our
Port
ambassador
program.
So
that's
a
fantastic
program
that
I
have
the
pleasure
of
running.
If
anybody
wants
more
information
about
that
program,
please
reach
out
to
me
about
that
going
forward.
G
We're
focused
on
our
strategic
priorities
and
those
are
advancing
our
operational
excellence
growing
and
anchoring
our
cargo
base
delivering
critical
infrastructure,
and
this
is
when
I'll
pause
on
as
we
come
to
you
in
the
coming
year,
with
Redevelopment
of
the
Union
peer
project,
generating
the
revenue
from
the
sale
of
that
next
year
goes
into
investing
in
the
critical
infrastructure
that
we
do.
The
Port
Authority
reinvests
the
monies
that
we
Garner
through
our
operations,
as
well
as
any
proceeds
from
selling
property
et
cetera.
G
So
that's
a
key
component
and
we
appreciate
the
partnership
with
the
city
in
advancing
that
project,
so
we
can
realize
there's
revenues
and
continue
to
invest
in
our
infrastructure
and
grow
the
the
economy
of
the
state
and
then
lastly,
of
course,
is
caring
for
our
people
over
the
last
couple
years,
as
the
city
has
experienced,
rehab
too,
our
people
have
been
working
very
very
hard,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
that
a
top
priority
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
our
people.
G
B
H
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
members
of
council,
okay,
starting
with
the
property
owned
Southwick
Drive
on
John's
Island,
with
60
Acres.
We
have
an
image
here
for
you.
You
all
have
these
in
your
packages,
too.
H
Is
that
better
yeah
all
right?
So
the
request
is
to
take
this
property
from
its
current
sr1
to
a
combination
of
conservation,
zoning
and
dr6,
diverse
residential
and
the
areas
that
would
be
conservation
are
in
Wetland
areas,
they're
shown
in
the
darker
green
and
then
the
areas
to
be
dr6
are
shown
in
the
kind
of
lighter
greenish,
yellow
color
on
this
image
in
front
of
you
and
to
locate
for
you,
the
property
we'll
go
through
a
couple
of
slides
there.
H
This
is
north
of
Maybank
Highway,
Maybank
Highway
is
down
in
the
South
to
the
South
and
the
right
corner
of
this
image
here
and
it's
outlined
here
a
good
bit
of
it
is
wetland,
and
so
hence
a
good
bit
of
conservation.
Zoning
on
the
property
there's
a
single
family
neighborhood
to
the
north
of
it.
There
is
a
new
earlier
phase
of
what
would
be
built
on
this
project,
mixed
single
family
and
multi-family
development.
H
In
our
comprehensive
plan
that
was
adopted
last
year,
it's
shown
as
designated
for
both
Suburban
development
and
then
the
areas
that
are
designated
As,
Natural
Wetland
to
remain
Wetland
and
hence
again
the
conservation
recommendation
or
the
conservation
request.
As
part
of
the
zoning
request
again,
Suburban
allows
for
densities
from
four
dwelling
unit,
sneaker
to
eight
dwelling
units,
an
acre.
H
The
request
is
for
six
dwelling
units,
an
acre
on
the
dr6
portions
and
then
conservation
actually
lowers
the
density
substantially
from
what
it
is
at
present
of
4.8
units,
an
acre
to
one
unit
to
every
acre
and
a
half.
So
that
is
a
dramatic
drop
for
the
conservation
areas
of
the
property
and
just
comparison
between
the
sr1
and
the
dr6.
You
can
do
multi-family
in
this
case
they
can
do
townhouses
and
they
can
have
up
to
six
units
an
acre
on
the
property,
so
that
is
the
request
there
and
then
for
conservation.
H
It's
basically
single
family
development.
Only
and
again
that's
in
Wetland
areas,
so
they
are
not
planning
to
do
development.
There
they're
just
that's
our
lowest
density
zoning
that
we
have
in
the
city
and
then
this
is
a
very
important
image
showing
this
property.
It
shows
that
it
is
the
areas
of
it
that
are
Highland
are
from
19
to
25
feet
in
elevation.
H
So
again
some
of
the
higher
elevation
in
the
city
actually-
and
you
might
remember
when
our
water
plan
team
was
here
speaking
to
you
all
I
guess
it
was
six
weeks
eight
weeks
ago,
they
actually
pointed
to
this
area
of
John's
Island
and
said
this
is
where
more
density
should
go.
This
is
an
area
that
you
know.
Obviously
you
want
to
protect
the
wetlands,
but
where
you've
got
the
higher
areas
here
adjacent
to
the
wetlands,
this
is
an
appropriate
place
for
density.
That's
what
all
our
gons
Island
plans
have
been
saying.
H
H
Another
thing-
that's
very
important
here
is
Southwick.
Drive
really
needs
to
one
day
be
upgraded
and
I'm
going
to
step
away
from
the
microphone
here
and
just
try
to
speak
well.
H
We
really
need
to
get
Southwick
to
line
up
with
St
John's
Woods
Parkway.
This
is
identified
in
our
Johns
Island
plan.
This
will
help
create
a
traffic
signal
at
this
location,
the
warrants
for
a
traffic
signal-
and
it
just
makes
a
lot
more
sense
for
connectivity
and
to
help
these
folks,
because
making
a
left
coming
out
of
here
is
extremely
difficult.
We've
definitely
heard
that
from
the
public.
During
the
discussion
about
this,
we
definitely
heard
about
the
speed
of
traffic
along
Southwick.
H
Of
course,
some
of
that
is
because
it's
a
DOT,
Street
and
Southwood
definitely
needs
some
some
attention
to
it.
Traffic
calming
four-way
stops
things
like
that
to
help
the
the
everyday
issues
that
folks
are
experiencing
along
Southlake,
just
some
images
of
Southwick.
You
see
that
Southwick
itself
is,
you
know
just
20
or
so
feet
of
pavement
shoulders.
No
curbs
ditches
along
the
edges.
H
It's
you
know
again
a
kind
of
anomaly
from
when
development
was
occurring
out
in
this
area
in
the
60s
and
70s.
A
lot
of
wooded
areas
along
here
that
are
the
subject
track,
and
this
is
another
image
of
the
subject
track
from
Southwick.
H
H
H
The
areas
that
would
be
developed
are
shown
in
tan
here,
the
areas
that
would
be
or
they're
Wetland
or
in
blue
and
then
they
would
not
develop
some
of
the
uplings
that
are
in
green
here,
and
they
would
have
trails
and
things
like
that
that
the
public
could
utilize
on
this
people
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
again,
there
would
be
tremendous
amounts
of
Forest
Area
there
preserved
by
virtue
of
this
again.
This
is
the
applicant
approved,
slides
just
showing
the
areas
of
development
and
the
conservation
area.
H
This
is
the
connectivity
of
this
development
to
the
existing
phase.
One
of
this
development
that
the
hamlets
is
what
it's
being
called
and
there's
a
road
system
that
goes
through
to
Maybank.
It
also
connects
to
the
east
and
west
along
Maybank,
in
line
with
our
Johns
Island
plan,
and
then
it
would
also
connect
to
the
north
to
Southwick.
Drive
I
would
Hazard
a
guess
that
most
people
would
would
Traverse
this
location
and
go
in
and
out
via
the
hamlets
access
on
the
Maybank
Highway.
H
But
there
is
a
needed
connection
to
Southwick
as
well
through
the
development-
and
this
is
a
the
zoning
doesn't
lock
in
this
layout.
But
this
is
what
their
hypothetical
development
plan
is
on
the
site
again,
a
good
bit
of
Townhouses
what
we
might
call
the
Missy
middle
that
would
be
developed
on
the
Highland
portions
of
the
site,
and
then
you
see
a.
H
B
All
right,
first
for
the
public
hearing,
Adam
Clark:
do
you
have
anybody
that
signed
up
on
this
matter?
Yes,.
B
We
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
folks
here,
let's
say
a
minute
and
a
half
all.
I
C
I
Here,
more
or
less
sort
of
blanketed
concern
a
more
blanket
Edition
based
upon
comments
made
when
I
left
the
meeting
last
time,
and
so
I
was
deeply
concerned
about
what
was
said
by
someone
who
served
on
a
Planning
Commission
for
17
years,
10
years
and
I
went
to
make
sure
I
was
aware
of
the
fact
that
Fair
notices,
Fair
notice
and
the
question
becomes,
if
you
provide
fear
notice,
it
can't
just
be
the
methods
can
just
just
be
a
sign
in
the
yard.
It
can't
just
be
online.
I
It
can't
just
be
that
way
anymore,
because
you
got
people
on
television
talking
about.
They
have
concerns
and
issues.
Maybe
the
method
of
providing
fear
notice.
It
could
be
improved
the
method
of
fear.
No.
This
is
a
question
and
when
the
plan,
your
development
came
the
last
time
the
county
did
not
get
any
notice.
The
issue
was
to
notice
it
wasn't
provided
to
County.
But
when
526
came
you
you're
all
in
the
county,
you're
all
in
the
county,
building
left
and
right
getting
your
526
money,
so
you're
gonna
get
the
same
level
of
attention.
Time.
C
J
George
Elias
from
Middleburg
communities
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Should
there
be
any?
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
D
L
M
Good
evening,
merry
Christmas
happy
holidays.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
David
Gross
I
live
on
Acorn
drop
Lane
in
the
St
Johns
Woods
neighborhood
about
a
mile
from
this
property
I'm
here
to
urge
I'm
here
this
evening
to
urge
you
to
deny
the
developers
request
to
up
Zone
the
property
and
to
allow
more
homes
to
be
built
at
greater
density
than
is
permitted
under
the
city's
current
zoning
law.
M
M
M
B
K
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
Mayor,
so
Christopher
would
you
be
able
to
speak
to
if
the
developer
wanted
to
do
a
conservation
development?
What
would
that
look
like
on
that
property
under
sr1
zoning.
H
So
that
could
happen
and
you
can
do
townhouses
in
a
conservation
development
under
sr1.
You
would
have
to
have
I
believe
it's
10
percent
of
those
as
affordable,
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
zoning
ordinance
see
if
it's
10
or
15
of
those
is
Affordable
units.
But
you
could
have
a
development
like
that
that
would
have
more
utilization
of
the
Highland
like
they
are
proposing
here.
K
H
K
So
I
would
like
to
ask
for
this
item
to
be
deferred
tonight
and
allow
the
developer
to
come
back
with,
because
one
of
the
things
that
was
not
presented
was
any
type
of
affordability
on
the
property.
K
You
know
we
heard
about
the
missing
middle
and
the
attainable
housing,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
for
a
little
additional
time
for
the
developer,
to
go
back
and
potentially
bring
us
a
proposal
that
would
have
an
affordable
component,
whether
it's
under
sr1
or
on
the
upzoning
request
for
dr6.
So.
E
H
H
So
the
areas
that
are
in
that
kind
of
pinkish
color
the
lighter
pinkish
color
of
the
site,
those
are
recommended
for
the
Suburban
District,
so
four
to
eight
units,
an
acre,
so
the
request
would
be
in
line
with
those
and
then
the
conservation
aspect
of
it
for
the
Wetland
areas
would
be
in
line
with
what
is
recommended
in
the
plan
as
well,
and
the
Johns
Island
plan
in
general
calls
for
more
density
in
the
Maybank
card
or
to
help
protect
the
areas
that
are
outside
of
the
urban
growth
boundary
that
are
further
away
at
the
edge
of
the
ugb.
H
E
Is
an
overall
just
general
question
so
when
we
and
this
council
did
not
adopt
that
plan,
it
was
adopted
in
previous
councils
before
us,
I'm
sure
when
we
had
these
plans
and
it
caused
for
these
types
of
adjustments
to
existing
zoning
ordinances
and
Zoning
a
particular
process.
Why
don't
we
change
those
as
a
plan
is
being
adopted.
H
Because
it
involves
Sometimes,
some
wholesale
rezonings
of
properties
and
we
use
it
as
a
guide
for
future
development.
But
typically
we
don't
do
that
unless
we
get
to
like
more
neighborhood
level
plan
updates
rather
than
a
city-wide
plan,
and
it's
just
been
typically
the
city's
policy
to
not
do
that.
The
county
did
do
when
they
first
created
their
Urban
growth
boundary.
They
did
do
a
lot
of
Wholesale
rezonings
in,
but
they
haven't
done
as
many
with
subsequent
plans
and.
E
Just
one
more
question:
would
a
putt
apply
to
this
could
be
applied
to
this
parcel?
It.
H
N
H
B
Any
other
comments
questions
we
have
motion
on
floor
to
defer
all
in
favor.
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
Beyond
his
habit.
Next
up
is
public
hearing
on
a
height,
I,
ordinance
foreign.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us.
H
And
this
is
an
ordinance
that
really
stems
from
the
new
Provisions
that
allow
for
accessory
dwelling
units
in
the
city,
and
this
is
a
change
because
they
are
permitted
under
our
Provisions
for
accessory
structures,
and
this
is
giving
a
little
bit
more
flexibility,
particularly
if
you
have
a
two-story
house
that
you
could
have
a
two-story
accessory
structure
right
now.
The
and
you
have
a
copy
of
this
in
your
packages
right
now,
you're
limited
to
11,
foot,
Eaves
and
a
story
and
a
half
type
structure.
H
This
would
allow
up
to
two
story
structures
if
you
have
a
two-story
main
house,
just
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
for
accessory
dwelling
units.
We
have
some
imagery
here
again.
This
is
the
the
changes
to
the
ordinance
itself.
H
Just
how
currently
the
Evite
is.
The
e-vite
is
the
edge
of
the
roof
line.
That's
limited
to
11
feet
right
now.
H
H
So
we
end
up
with
very
limited
ability
to
have
accessory
dwelling
units
without
this
height
change,
and
essentially
what
it
would
do
is
allow
one
and
a
half
story
structures
to
be
up
to
two
stories
and
the
maximum
Eve
height
to
move
from
11
feet
to
24
feet,
and
then
there
are
precedents
in
the
city.
We
went
out
and
took
a
few
pictures.
These
are
things
that
were
permitted
before
we
had
accessory
dwelling
units.
They
were
typically
permitted
via
variances
things
like
that
or
even
may
have
predated
zoning.
H
But
you
see
here
how
you
have
a
two-story
structure
behind
two-story
structure.
Here
you
have
a
one
and
a
half
story
structure
on
the
right
on
a
one
and
a
half
story
structure
and
then
Reverend
Terrace
looks
like
these
are
two-story
structures
behind
one
and
a
half
story
structures.
So
these
have
been
built
in
certain
locations
in
the
city
that
are,
you
know,
still
viewed
as
desirable,
attractive
locations.
Things
like
that
and
from
a
staff
standpoint.
We
felt
it
was
an
appropriate
change
to
make
and
it
did
go
through
the
CD
committee
as
well.
Mm-Hmm.
I
This
is
my
actual
statement:
I
wrote
after
the
Charleston
County
Consolidated
Schools.
It's
about
my
name,
retain
the
legal
legal
services
of
former
federal
judge,
Margaret
Seymour.
My
speech
and
assembly
has
been
qualified
via
public
access
core
electronic
records.
To
this
fact,
the
City
of
Charleston
provide
Fair
notice
to
All
by
this
recommendation.
What
methods
was
used
to
ensure
the
standard
of
fear
notice
was
achieved
as
any
council
member
has
to
receive
have
received
or
have
to
to
his
or
herself
from
this
vote
have
to
accuse
himself
in
this
vote.
I
Excuse
me,
due
to
conflict
of
interest
as
Advocate
receiving
any
and
lower
taxes
under
Economic
Development.
By
approving
the
applicants,
would
have
impact
on
flooding,
planning,
budgeting
programming
and
evaluate
systems.
This
Advocate
received
any
cares,
act
or
Ark
of
funding,
for
there
was
no
public
hearing
through
the
due
to
being
a
congressional
emergency
measure.
That's
a
standard
comment
I'm
making
tonight
on
every
last
one
of
these
owners.
So
that's
the
one
from
what
Tudor
was
left
two
to
six
two
to
seven.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
Would
anyone
else
like
to
be
heard
on
this
map?
Seeing
none
it
comes
to
council
I
have
a
motion
to
approve.
It
will
get
a
second
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification,
all
right
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
you
pose
The
Eyes,
Of,
Heaven,
Mr,
Morgan,
okay,.
H
Now
we've
got
some
zonings
for
you.
These
relate
to
upcoming
or
recent
annexations.
The
first
two
are
in
the
Berkeley
County
area
in
the
upper
kinghoi
peninsula.
The
first
one
is
638
tuxbury
Farm
Road
and
a
portion
of
two
adjacent
Parcels
on
tuxbury
Farm,
Road
and
King
Hawaii,
approximately
10.32
Acres,
and
it's
a
request
for
sr1
in
this
location
and
I'll
locate
it
for
you
here
again,
it's
10
acres.
H
It
is
to
the
rear
of
a
existing
PUD
that
is
along
41
right
near
the
bridge
that
crosses
the
Wanda
River.
It
was
on
r1r
under
Berkeley
County.
Here
it
is
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
in
Suburban
Edge,
which
typically
calls
for
not
more
than
oriented.
Sneaker
sr1
is
4
0.8,
but
this,
coupled
with
the
next
request,
that's
adjacented
still
keeps
the
the
overall
densities
in
line
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
we
have
been
supportive
of
that
and
the
Suburban
Edge
one
to
four
units,
an
acre
it
talks
about
it.
C
H
B
H
All
right
and
then
the
next
one
is
adjacent
to
that
one.
It's
at
715,
yupon
drive
and
2682
Highway
41
in
kinghoy.
It's
a
5.71
acre
parcel
and
this
would
have
a
dr-12
category
so
that
does
allow
for
diverse
types
of
housing
such
as
townhouses
you'll
see
that
to
the
West
Parcels.
These
are
already
townhouses
they're
built
in
the
city
and
then
you've
got
General
business
across
the
street
and
we
will
I'll
show
you
some
slides
here
to
show
there's
a
commercial
operation
on
the
property.
At
present
foreign.
H
So
it
does
line
on
Highway
41
and
here's
an
aerial
image
of
the
property.
It
has
vehicle,
storage
or
an
auto
facility
that
does
auto
repair
so
pretty
much.
The
whole
site
has
been
Incorporated
for
vehicle
use
at
present,
and
this
would
shift
over
to
the
ability
to
build
townhouses
there
instead
and
it
is
in
our
plan
as
neighborhood
Edge,
which
does
have
more
density
associated
with
it
up
to
20
units
an
acre
and
it
is
along
highway
41.
H
and
there's
the
neighborhood
Edge
description
and
here's
the
current
property
from
the
street
view
and
Planning
Commission
did
recommend
approval
of
the
dr-12
for
this
property.
Eight
to
zero
right.
B
Would
anybody
like
to
be
heard
on
number
three
and
four
the
standing
comment
from
Mr
Bryant
anyone
else
all
right?
They
come
to
council.
B
H
Number
five
is
a
single
family
house
at
1737,
Jasmine
road
that
would
come
into
the
city
as
sr2,
based
on
the
lot
size
and
the
surrounding
zonings
in
the
city.
It
backs
up
to
some
commercial
or
has
a
side
yard
adjacent
to
some
commercial.
It
was
R4
in
Charleston,
County,
and
here
it
is
in
the
plan,
is
suburban
and
the
Suburban
recommendation
from
the
plan.
Here's
an
image
of
the
property
and.
B
All
right
we've
got
a
waiting
here.
We
got
it.
Oh
one
minute.
Please
would
anyone
like
to
be
heard
on
this
matter.
Standing
comment
from
Mr
Bryant
anyone
else
now
it
comes
Council
got
a
motion
to
approve
any
any
questions
or
comments
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
Mr
Morgan.
H
Number
six,
which
is
12
Riverdale,
a
single
family
annexation,
comes
in
as
sr1
again
the
surrounding
areas,
more
sr1
sr2,
it's
R4
in
Charleston
County.
H
Here
it
is
in
the
plan,
Suburban
recommendation
Suburban
background
here
and
there's
an
image
of
the
property
it
was
at
the
time
of
the
photo
it
was
being
renovated.
This
is
not
a
recent
photo
and
Planning
Commission
did
recommend.
B
They
were
approving
it
already
right.
It's
there
all
right.
Would
anyone
like
to
be
heard
on
this
matter
standing
comment
from
Mr
Bryant
anyone
else.
It
comes
to
council
I,
have
a
motion
to
approve
any
discussion,
all
in
favor
of
please
say:
aye,
any
opposed
the
eyes
haven't
and
finally,
number
seven.
Okay.
H
Number
seven
is
a
residential
parcel
at
present
at
the
front
of
a
large
apartment
complex
and
across
the
street,
from
some
fairly
large
commercial
Parcels
I'll
show
a
broader
image
of
the
property
in
just
a
minute.
It
does
have
residential
zoning
to
the
north
and
to
the
Northeast,
and
then
it
has
Apartments
directly
behind
it
and
then
there's
residential
zoning
to
the
South.
That
actually
is
on
a
Jehovah's,
Witness
location
house
of
worship.
There,
the
let's
see
trying
that
oops,
it's
not
wanting
to
advance
for
me
now.
H
Stop,
oh
there
we
go
there.
We
go
sorry
about
that.
So
it's
in
our
comprehensive
plan
as
what
we
call
the
neighborhood
Edge.
So
that
allows
for
a
good
bit
of
density,
a
good
bit
of
variety
of
uses.
It
is
at
the
front
of
the
Bonanza
and
the
Carolina
Bay
areas.
This
is
Carolina
Bay
in
through
here
this
is
Bonanza.
There
are
Frontage
roads
that
come
right
near
it
that
have
direct
access
to
highway
17..
This
has
even
been
discussed
as
a
future
traffic
signal
location.
O
H
The
plan
of
course
recommended
for
that
as
well
and
the
applicant
is
very
interested
in
an
OG
designation
which
allows
Offices
Medical
Offices
things
like
that.
It
also
allows
daycare,
which
is
the
specific
use
the
owner
has
in
mind.
They
would
use
the
existing
structure
for
a
daycare
facility,
so
that
is
the
request
before
you,
and
here
is
the
property
I
think
it
was
under
construction
at
whatever
time
this
street
view
was
taken
here
now.
Planning
Commission
did
surprise
us
on
this,
and
and
there
was
no
neighborhood
opposition.
H
Nobody
spoke
on
this
at
Planning
Commission,
but
we
had
a
couple
planning
Commissioners
who
talked
about
concerns
about
the
Geo
versus
the
RO,
and
then
they
ended
up
recommending
for
auro
on
this
property,
but
the
property
owner
was
annexing
with
the
hope
of
having
the
Geo
on
the
property
and
would
like
to
proceed
with
getting
that
designation
and
having
the
daycare
center
move
forward
on
the
property
and
staff
was
again
supportive
of
that,
and
the
plan
supports
that
kind
of
a
request
as
well.
B
K
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I
actually
live
about
a
little
less
than
a
mile
up
the
road
on
Conservancy
lane
from
here,
so
I
ride
by
this
property
every
day.
First
of
all,
kudos
to
the
architect.
It
is
a
beautiful
property
if
you
get
to
ride
by
it,
just
great
situated
great
architecture
on
it.
K
I
completely
agree
with
the
general
office
or
the
OG
designation
on
this
one.
K
When
you
have
the
apartments
behind
it,
you
have
the
largest
pod
until
long
Savannah
gets
built
adjacent
to
it,
a
daycare
which
was
what
the
applicant
was
asking
for
that,
especially
my
neighborhood
and
my
constituents,
who
are
all
City
residents,
have
been
asking
for
low
intensity
uses
adjacent
to
or
near
the
largest
Putt
in
the
city.
A
daycare
is
an
appropriate
use
to
go
in
at
this
site.
K
Again
you
have
the
apartments
thousand
West
and
the
Hayward
over
behind
it,
and
you
have
the
largest
Putt
in
the
city
in
Carolina
Bay
literally,
my
street
Conservancy
Lane
is
Maybe
a
tenth
of
a
mile
from
that
intersection.
If
that
also
to
Mr
Morgan's
Point,
you
know
if
we
can
do
something
that
could
facilitate
a
light
at
Bonanza
and
17.
That
is
something
that
has
been
say.
K
Senator
sin
and
I
have
explored
before,
but
there's
just
not
the
the
volume
and
or
the
the
state
wanting
to
explore
that
option
at
this
point,
so
the
more
that
we
can
do
there,
the
better
but
I,
really
believe
I
never
want
to
overrule
the
Planning
Commission,
but
in
this
instance
and
I
think
councilor
Waring
has
talked
about
this
before
you
know.
K
We
really
have
to
listen
to
what
our
constituents
are
saying
and
you
know
I
can
speak
for
just
because
I
see
people
out
walking
the
talk
and
at
the
dog
park
in
Carolina
Bay
and
they
want
low,
intense
uses,
but
they
want
something
that
would
be
of
benefit
to
the
neighborhood
and
with
the
amount
of
young
families
and
young
children.
I
really
really
believe
that
a
daycare
in
this
this
site
would
be
good.
There's
plenty
of
in
and
out
on
the
traffic
concern.
K
Obviously,
at
pick
up
and
drop
off,
that's
when
people
are
coming
in
and
out
there,
but
with
the
adjacent
Street
there
is
the
ability
to
load
there
if
needed.
It
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
back
up
onto
Bonanza
and
then
also
with
the
signal
at
Carolina
Bay
Drive.
There
is
the
ability
to
go
down,
Bonanza
or
I
should
say
Dale
Bonanza
and
then
cut
over
to
Marginal
Road
and
access
the
light
at
Carolina,
Bay
Drive
as
well.
K
If
you
needed
to
continue
Northbound
on
17.,
so
I
I
think
there's
plenty
of
ways
to
disperse
traffic
in
that
area,
but
really
believe
that
rezoning
this
to
OG
would
be
the
appropriate
use
and
I
would
move.
So
at
this
time,
foreign.
B
B
Could
I
ask
a
question
Mr
Morgan
is
not
the
daycare
allowed
under
the
RO,
no.
H
Did
and
they
did
talk
about,
take
care
uses,
but
Ro
is
a
little
bit
less
intensive
than
OG
it's
designed
to
fit
in
a
little
bit
more
like
in
between
houses
on
a
major
thoroughfare
or
something
like
that.
The
OG
is
a
little
bit
different,
a
little
bit
more
intense,
but
we
think
that
this
is
an
appropriate
location
for.
B
P
K
They
they've
asked
for
especially
around
the
neighborhood
less
intense
uses,
most
of
the
commercial
Frontage,
as
Mr
Morgan
showed,
is
in
the
county,
and
so
anything
that
would
be
in
the
city.
They've
asked
for
less
intense
use,
but
something
that
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
neighborhood
Medical
Offices
things
that
have
a
constant
flow
as
opposed
to
a
very
intense
use.
B
Right
any
any
more
comments
or
questions,
councilmember
Warren.
Q
H
It
was
a
little
bit
of
the
discussion,
but
I
think
there
was
a
planning,
commissioner,
in
particular,
who's
very
sensitive
to
frontages
and
conversion
of
houses
on
frontages,
on
major
streets
to
other
uses,
and
so
that
kind
of
led
the
discussion
of
you
know,
is
this
an
appropriate
location.
We
thought
it
was,
but
the
consensus
was
that
they
did
not.
Q
K
Councilman
Brady,
yes,
thank
you
and
I
would
add
the
structure
on
that
property
is
pretty
new,
I
mean
within
the
last
two
years
or
so
there
there
would
be
no
need
to.
You
know,
put
a
new
structure
on
that
property.
It
was
built
with
the
intent
to
be
a
daycare,
and
if
you
you
know,
you
can
see
it
from
the
Aerials
I
mean
it's
well
situated.
There's
plenty
of
ability
to
store
cars
on
the
property.
K
It
was
designed
with
that
that
use
in
mind,
and
so
there's
it's
not
like
they're
gonna
knock
this
brand
new
building
down
and
put
anything
new.
So
you
know
again,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
For
my
colleagues
all.
E
H
You
could
also
Traverse
Bonanza
Road
and
go
to
the
front
of
Carolina
Bay
or
you
could
Traverse
Marginal
Road
and
go
to
the
front
of
Carolina
Bay,
where
there
is
a
traffic
signal
at
present
and
again,
this
was
identified
as
a
possible
future
signal
location.
There
is
some
commercial
that
still
could
happen
in
this
flood
here
and
I.
Think
if
that
commercial
happened,
that
would
add
to
the
vehicle
counts
and
probably
create
the
threshold
that
a
signal
could
be
warranted
there.
So
so
part
of.
E
H
Not
no
certainly
could
be
just
on
Marginal
Road
and
Marginal.
Road
leads
most
directly
to
the
signal,
but
Bonanza
does
have
connections
to
the
neighborhoods
as
well.
But
marginal
is
a
road
that
doesn't
go
past,
any
residences
other
than
a
apartment,
complex
right
near
the
signal.
E
The
reason
I
bring
that
up
is
we
had
a
very
similar
issue
off
of
St,
Andrews
and
Winston.
It
was
a
piece
of
property
that
had
been
abandoned.
It
was
that's
historical
significance.
E
That's
one
of
the
earlier
Highway
Commissioners
lived
in
that
property
back
in
the
20s,
and
it
was
a
beautiful
lot
on
this
on
a
very
small
residential
unit
put
on
there
and
the
folks
have.
E
Old
Town
Acres
because
they
were
concerned
about
my
question:
I
just
brought
up,
which
was
even
though
there's
a
there,
is
a
huge
desert
of
daycare
facilities
in
West
Ashley,
and
it
is
like
someone
going
out
for
a
rebound,
an
elbow
in
their
way
in
to
get
to
a
a
spot
in
a
daycare
facility,
but
the
residence
concern
in
this
particular
in
my
district
was
about
the
Ingress
of
egress.
That's
why
I'm
bringing
up
these
questions
is.
E
Is
this
going
to
impact
negatively
on
the
residents
who
are
there
or
the
other
units
that
may
be
developed
on
there?
That's
my
main
concern,
but
you
seem
to
think
that
there
are
alternatives
to
getting
in
and
out
and
what
is
this?
What
is
the
level
of
development
for
a
light
of
that
intersection?
You
pointed
out
earlier?
Is
that
something
just
sort
of
holding
around
or
is
that
something
concrete
that's
going
on,
or
where
are
we
with
that?
My.
H
Recollection
is
when
the
plug
was
approved.
It
has
those
apartments
in
it
with
the
commercial
that
was
there.
There
was
potentially
some
warrant
for
a
signal,
but
that
commercial
has
never
been
built.
There
also
are
other
commercially
Zone
Parcels
that
are
zoned
in
the
county
along
Marginal
Road
that
have
not
been
built
out.
There's
a
new
one
coming
in
just
down
the
street,
it's
going
to
have
commercial
development
on
it.
So
all
these
things
together.
B
K
B
I
You're
direct
lobbyists
you
have
will
be
going
to
the
Senate
and
he
will
be
talking
to
the
Senate
Margaret
G
Seymour
was
a
a
reporter
recommendation
on
my
Brian
versus
Department
of
Education,
with
the
Supreme
Court
and
protest
because
of
the
violent
crime.
Patrol
law
goes
back
in
1994
and
titles
that
impacted
our
community
close
to
50
years
Arthur
with
Senator
Joe
Biden,
signed
by
Bill
Clinton
establishing
the
first.
I
What
I
would
call
round
paper
bag
tests,
read
Otis
Graham,
Otis
Graham
talks
about
the
brown
paper
bag
test
and
these
African-Americans,
who
will
refer
you
and
sell
you
down
the
river
to
the
fairs?
If
you
write,
read
Otis
Graham's
book
all
kind
of
people,
I
ain't,
that
kind
of
people
I'm
too
dark,
okay,
I'm,
too
dark
and
I-
think
too
black.
I
So
they
sold
me
down
the
river
in
the
state
senate
in
the
house
in
Congress,
because
I
want
to
see
Joe
Biden
live
up
to
his
promise
and
dealing
with
these
issues
in
our
community
that
are
taking
out
votes
and
throwing
it
down
a
river
Governor.
That's
me
by
11
percent
level,
you
if
you're
gonna
lose
for
20
years
20
years
you
lose
every
election
for
20
years.
I
You
will
still
vote
for
somebody
to
lose
all
the
time,
something
wrong
with
you
not
to
vote
in
this
state,
and
so
let
them
know
that
I
voted
for
Senator
Scott
we've
been
friends
for
many
many
years
as
he's
into
Scott
in
13
years.
He
said
the
Scott's
free.
That's
why
I
like
him
he's
a
free
black
man.
F
F
F
R
Good
afternoon,
mayor
two
years,
I
would
come
in
front
of
you.
Some
of
these
speakers,
I,
don't
know
what
they
want.
I
know
what
I
want
I
want.
The
roads
complied
with
the
law
and
ruling
of
city
council
city
council
said
we
are
not
closing
or
Banning
the
roads.
Despite
what
a
council
member
says,
trees
in
the
middle
of
the
road
means
it's
closed.
No
traffic
can
go
through
there.
R
It's
closed
I
was
told
there'd,
be
a
traffic
study
after
the
results
of
the
traffic
study,
800
percent
more
traffic
on
my
road
than
on
any
other
roads
in
the
neighborhood
40
times
the
number
of
speeders
once
feet
are
going
over
45
miles
an
hour
in
a
200
foot,
Zone
almost
impossible
to
do,
and
what
has
happened
about
it?
Nothing.
What
is
my
representative?
That's
supposed
to
be
helping
me
down?
Well,
let's
see
you
call
me
names
online.
He
disparaged
disabled
veterans
online
with
the
video
I
showed
it
made
all
kinds
of
comments.
R
You
know
where
where's
my
representation,
we
pay
taxes
just
paid
the
taxes
on
the
house
when
am
I
going
to
get
a
benefit.
When
are
you
going
to
apply
the
law
equally
in
Fairway
fairly
and
the
law
says
you
can't
close
a
road
without
a
city
council
order
or
a
court
order,
and
neither
one
exists
if
Mr
seeking's
asked
during
our
meeting
was
the
city
city,
council
or
legal?
Of
course
it
was.
It
said:
we're
not
closing
the
road
that
was
the
legal
part.
R
D
All
right,
we'll
move
on
to
the
comments
that
we
received
that
city
council
should
follow
through
on
its
planned
expansion,
Petty
gap
program
as
it
created
sustainable,
long-term
growth
dispersed
across
Community
stakeholders,
a
citizen
stated
it
was
disgusting
to
allow
a
large
Confederate
flag
on
the
battery
every
weekend
and
allow
open
carry
of
a
firearm
during
a
permitted
event.
D
As
the
man
carrying
the
gun
had
assaulted
an
African-American
man,
this
was
not
the
first
time
something
like
this
had
happened,
and
the
group
should
have
their
permit
revoked
due
to
violations
a
citizen
stated
he
had
been
assaulted
on
a
battery
in
front
of
police
with
four
Witnesses
and
the
assaulter
had
displayed
his
weapon
when
he
reported
it
to
a
police
captain.
He
told
him
he
had
not
witnessed
the
assault
when
he
reported
it
to
other
police
at
the
scene.
He
was
told
if
he
himself
was
carrying
an
assaulted,
someone
he
would
have
been
arrested.
D
He
said
the
offender
was
allowed
to
go
home
and
the
police
had
handled
the
situation.
Poorly
a
citizen
complained
about
Flags
across
the
South
and
said
they
had
committed
assault,
threatened
premeditated
violence
and
harassed
counter
protesters,
yet
they
were
still
issuing
permits.
One
of
their
members
had
carried
a
firearm
in
a
permitted
area
and
nothing
was
done.
She
said
they
had
warned
the
city
repeatedly
about
the
public
safety
issues
surrounding
the
group.
She
said
they
were
going
to
hurt.
Someone
in
the
city
would
be
held
responsible.
D
D
Walter
Daniel
asked
if
the
roads
on
Fairway,
Drive
and
Brampton
were
legally
closed.
He
said
no
and
none
of
the
requirements
to
close
the
road
were
met.
We
received
17
comments
by
phone,
voicing
concerns
about
the
offensiveness
of
the
Confederate
flag
being
flown
at
the
battery
and
protesters
carrying
weapons,
which
was
not
allowed
in
addition
to
threatening
counter
protesters,
and
those
were
all
the
comments
we
received
and
I
think
Mr.
Harris
is
ready
and.
S
Sir
good
evening,
as
Vice
chair
or
co-chair
of
human
Affairs
and
racial
conciliation,
commission
I
want
to
make
the
council
aware
that
the
commission
has
completed
the
progress
report.
I
believe
the
clerk
has
put
placed
that
on
your
desk.
S
We
are
asking
and
we're
anticipating
a
conversation
or
discussion
of
presentations
of
the
council
at
a
meeting
in
January
I
would
suggest
a
request
that
the
council
review
of
the
report.
Our
next
meeting
is
the
second
Thursday
of
the
month
in
January,
which
I
believe
is
the
12th
at
5.
Pm
I
would
appreciate.
S
We
would
appreciate
any
observations
or
concerns
that
the
council
has
regarding
that
reported
request
for
clarifications
you
could
provide
if
you
could
provide
those
to
us
at
that
time
would
allow
us
to
prepare
for
the
meeting
on
the
12th
in
addition
seriously.
S
In
addition,
I
want
to
wish
you
happy
holidays
note
that
January
1st
marks
the
160th
anniversary
of
the
issue
of
the
Emancipation
Proclamation
and
the
402
enslaved
Africans
were
recognized
as
human
beings
rather
than
chattel
slave
Channel
property,
and
it
the
redefine
the
purpose
of
the
Civil
War
to
want
to
eradicate
slavery
and
exploitation.
We
think
that's
worth
celebrating.
Thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
happy
holidays.
T
D
T
Right,
thank
you.
So
much
after
the
tragedy
at
mother
Emanuel,
a
group
of
local
white
supremacists
began
flying
an
oversized
Confederate
flag
at
the
battery
every
weekend.
Barely
a
mile
from
the
church,
the
local
plan
is
brandished,
Firearms
assembled
militias
and
even
broken
a
flagpole
over
the
back
of
a
young
black
man.
Look
up.
Shame
on
Charleston
on
YouTube
and
see
for
yourself.
The
city
had
an
emergency
meeting
to
pass
a
new
First
Amendment
ordinance
back
on
July
29
2021..
T
They
said
they
were
concerned
about
the
new
open,
carry
law,
but
it
seems
police
are
only
sporadically
concerned
about
who's
carrying
weapons,
black
people
or
what
else
that
ordinance
says.
Charleston
Police
abused
that
new
ordinance
to
arrest
several
of
my
black
friends
a
60
year
old
woman
was
aggressively
handcuffed,
threatened
with
resisting
arrest
and
taken
to
jail
for
walking
across
the
street.
It
cost
her
thousands
of
dollars
in
legal
fees
and
too
much
trauma
to
put
a
price
on.
But
after
a
year
in
several
Court
appearances
of
bogus
charges
were
finally
dropped.
T
Same
is
true
for
a
black
man
who
was
arrested
for
daring
to
talk
to
a
white
man
waving
the
flag
of
Dylan
roof.
Now,
why
are
the
same
police
not
encouraged
to
take
any
action
when
the
Klan
brings
their
guns
to
a
permitted
event
or
after
this
group
breaks
a
flagpole
over
young
man's
back
last
weekend,
the
clan
not
only
had
their
guns,
but
a
third
came
with
a
billy
club
in
the
sleeve
of
his
jacket
signs,
say
no
weapons
in
the
park.
T
B
Did
we
have
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
be
heard
tonight
for
public
participation?
Thank
you
all
who
did
participate
and
share
with
us
this
evening
so
and
thank
you.
Mr
Harris
I
had
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
had
the
report
from
the
human
Affairs
of
racial
reconciliation
committee
and
just
to
let
y'all,
know,
I,
think
the
second
meeting
in
January
we
plan
for
Adrian
to
come
and
give
us
a
report
in
person
on
their
work
so
facility.
B
B
U
Good
evening
Council,
it's
been
a
great
privilege
over
the
past
months
to
be
working
on
our
open
call
for
a
poet
laureate,
and
this
was
a
process
that
I
think
was
reflective
of
all
of
the
best
attributes
of
how
the
city
approaches
this
working
with
our
current
Poet
Laureate
Marcus
Amaker.
U
We
went
out
with
a
very
broad
set
of
guidelines
and
had
a
process
where
people
could
submit,
regardless
of
their
level
of
achievement
or
publication
record
or
any
of
the
standards
that
you
may
come
to
expect
with
something
and
then
assembled
a
team
for
a
review
panel
that
included
poets,
Educators
cultural
professionals
and
had
a
very
open
and
Frank
discussion.
That
panel
was
completely
autonomous
and
our
office
simply
provided
the
platform
to
get
them
together
on
zoom
and
to
chat
and
follow
up
as
needed.
U
Good
questions
were
raised
like
how
much
is
the
budget
or
could
we
really
fund
a
75
000
proposal
and
all
good
ideas
were
pursued
in
the
spirit
of
collegiality
and
engagement.
They
wound
up
with
three
finalists
one
had
decided,
sadly,
to
move
away
from
the
region,
but
we'll
stay
in
touch
with
us,
and
the
two
finalists
went
through
a
rigorous
review
and
then
Marcus
had
the
Good
Fortune
to
be
able
to
present
the
unanimous
recommendation
and
the
both
with
with
us
here
tonight.
So
I
will
ask
for
Marcus
hammacher
Marcus.
U
Who's
coming
forward
with
books,
always
a
good
sign.
That's.
B
It
wasn't
too
long
after
I
came
into
office
that
we
made
an
appointment
for
a
poet
laureate,
the
first
that
the
city's
ever
had
and
he
had
been
in
so
many
schools
and
spreading
goodwill
and
education
among
kids.
Particularly
it's
been
remarkable
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
citizens
have
come
to
me
over
the
past
few
years
and
commended
Marcus
for
the
work
that
he
has
done
representing
us.
So
Marcus
you
have
our
sincere
thanks
and
best
wishes
for
your
future.
B
It's
it's
kind
of
with
a
heavy
heart.
I
mean
I,
I,
I,
I,
guess
Marcus
felt
like
there
should
be
some
term
limit
to
to
serving
as
a
poet
laureate
and
he
self-imposed
and
said
he
would
like
to
set
up
a
process
for
us
to
pass
us
on
to
another
outstanding
young
poet
who
could
carry
on
this
tradition.
But
once
again
thank
you.
Marcus
and.
V
Done
and
yeah
can
I
get
everybody
here
to
snap
your
fingers,
if
you
are
willing
and
able
and
get
some
energy
up
in
here,
it's
just
a
wonderful
sound
for
a
poet
to
hear
yeah.
Thank
you
for
having
me
in
this
position
for
six
years.
It's
it
really
has
been
been
wonderful,
and
thank
you
too,
for
trusting
my
voice.
V
You
know
I
write
about
a
lot
of
things.
I've
written
about
Star,
Wars,
I,
write
about
cats
like
but
I
also
write
about
the
real
stuff,
that's
happening
in
this
city
as
well.
So
there
was
a
little
bit
of
fear
that
I
had
that
some
of
my
words
would
be
messed
with.
Thank
you
for
trusting
my
voice.
I'm
really
excited
for
HMA,
for
you
all
to
get
to
know
her
better
I
also
just
wanted
to
read
a
poem
from
a
book.
I
have
a
book
for
all
of
you.
V
This
is
a
book
that
I
did
as
Poet
Laureate,
where
I
published
a
bunch
of
students
poems
in
here
and
Asian.
May
helped
me
with
this
process,
and
this
is
just
this
is
a
fifth
grader.
V
You
look
up
at
the
sorrowful
Sky
asking
yourself
a
simple
question:
you
wonder
how
many
stars
are
in
the
sky.
You
wonder
how
many
wishes
those
Stars
held,
how
many
people
trusted
those
stars
to
hold
their
secrets?
You
tried
to
find
a
star
that
hadn't
already
been
held
by
a
strong
secret.
As
you
were
standing
there
searching
for
a
helpful
hand,
the
Stars
began
to
fade
into
the
darkness.
Then
it
hit
you
you've
been
standing
there
searching
for
stars
all
this
time,
but
you
never
needed
one.
V
All
you
needed
was
someone
to
listen,
not
someone
to
open
their
mouths,
but
for
someone
to
open
their
ears-
and
that,
for
me,
is
really
my
mission
with
this
is
for
students.
That
was
a
fifth
grader
who
wrote
that
for
just
us
all
to
listen
to
artists
pay
us
to
please
that's,
not
a
joke.
V
Listen
to
us,
and
especially
students,
there's
so
much
that
we
can
do
for
you
all
and
so
much
that
they
are
saying
that
I
think
is
really
important.
So
I
have
a
copy
of
this
book
for
all
of
you.
I'll
just
leave
it
up
here
and
thank
you
all
again
for
this
time
and.
V
B
L
I,
don't
know
which
way
am
I
supposed
to
stand
in
terms.
I
just
talked
to
y'all
can
y'all
hear
me:
okay,
thank
you.
I
did
not
prepare
a
30-minute
poem,
but
I
did
prepare
a
couple
of
words.
L
First
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
to
the
city,
I'm
extremely
humbled
and
overwhelmed.
Thank
you
to
the
committee
who
chose
me
Marcus,
I
I.
Thank
you
for
that
push
for
your
Constant
Friendship
and
mentorship,
and
all
that
you've
done
for
the
Poetry
Community.
You
are
a
tough
act
to
follow,
but
I
accept
to
my
community.
Y'all
may
have
seen.
L
But
that's
those
are
my
people
all
back
here,
and
this
is
the
community
that
I
write
two
four
with
and
about
you
know
my
work
and
my
heart
hold
me
accountable.
Hold
this
city
accountable.
L
L
I
will
always
be
a
people's
poet
and
I
only
hope
to
continue
to
use
my
voice,
my
words
and
my
platform
to
create
space
for
Innovation
and
creation
to
be
of
service
through
the
Arts
and
to
make
those
people
and
my
Mama
Proud.
So
let's
get
to
work.
C
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
seeing
the
work
that
you
will
do
with
kids
in
our
city
over
the
next
few
years.
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
councilman,
shaved,.
E
Before
Scott
leaves
us
I
just
want
to
recognize.
T
E
We've
had
a
series
of
events
this
past
month
and
through
the
cultural
Affairs
office,
and
that.
E
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Scott
all
right.
So
next
up
is
Council
Communications,
a
request
to
amend
the
City
of
Charleston
Code
of
ordinances.
So
the
mayor
recommends
council
member
appointment,
sustaining
committees
with
the
advice
and
consent
of
city
council,
councilmember
Waring.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
Q
As
many
times
as
I've
I've
been
on
this
Council
I
think
11
years
and
normally
after
assignments
there's
a
little
chatter
among
at
least
a
couple
of
council
members
as
to
what
committees
they're
on
I've
said
it
before
we
collectively
represent
the
same
people
at
the
mayor
represents
just
by
districts.
That's
all
we
ask
people
to
serve
them
and,
if
you're
fortunate,
they
give
you
the
privilege
to
serve,
and
these
seats
don't
belong
to
us
when
it
comes
to
every
major
Committee
in
this
city.
Q
But
mayor
recommends,
frankly,
we
can
recommend,
but
that
person
gets
appointed
as
a
result
of
a
vote
for
the
whole
body.
The
mayor
and
Council,
the
Planning
Commission
bza
big
bar
the
small
bar
the
history
commission.
We
can
go
on
and
on,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
standing
committees
that
we
serve
on,
we
have
absolutely
no
say
that's
just
wrong,
we'll
send
here
to
work
together,
not
work
or
anybody
in
this
chamber
we
work
for
the
constituents.
Q
Council
members
are
not
employees
of
the
mayor.
Certainly,
when
we
get
a
sign
of
appointed
and
basically
told
where
to
serve,
we
should
be
asked
and
that
hasn't
always
happened.
Now.
I'll
give
the
mayor
credit.
We
had
a
pretty
good
conversation
on
the
ad
hoc
committee
chaired
by
council
member
Brady
and
councilmember
Bowden
and
councilman
Sacrament
who's.
Not
here
we
had
a
good
roundabout
discussion
on
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
this
is
something
entirety
of
counsel
has
to
decide
upon.
Q
Some
of
us
work
better
with
one
another
than
others.
We
never
get
that
opportunity
on
the
standing
committees
upon
which
we
serve
on.
We
never
have
a
chance
to
say
collaborate
because
we
get
a
sign.
Q
Our
ad
hoc
committee
process
has
been
a
very
good
one.
As
a
matter
of
fact.
First
time,
I
budget
process
has
been
a
very
good
one.
Mr
Men
I
give
you
compliments
on
that.
I
think
the
first
time
I
heard
that
was
councilman
shade,
who
made
mention
about
a
ad
hoc
process
and
you
as
Mia
agreed
and
I
would
say
it
has
benefited
well,
because
we
come
to
that
committee.
I'm
gonna
use
the
term
from
Tiger
Woods
without
a
game.
I
think
everybody
tries
to
come
with
a
an
idea.
Q
Look
underneath
rocks
to
try
to
keep
taxes
down
and
again
come
back
with
the
best
efforts
on
behalf
of
the
people
we
serve,
but
the
last
two
weeks,
frankly,
council
member
seekings
came
up
what
I
thought
was
a
couple
of
very
good
ideas
when
it
came
to
potentially
generating
additional
revenues
with
low
hanging.
Fruit
I
wished
I
had
heard
that
on
the
budget
ad
hoc
committee,
so
we
could
have
vetted
that
out
a
little
bit
further.
Q
It
was
only
until
last
week
that
I
found
out
that
he
was
I
mean
two
weeks
ago
that
he
was
taken
off
of
the
committee.
That's
13
years
experience
that
was
removed
from
the
committee.
Q
That's
a
if
you
take
an
account
inflation
rate,
I
think
they
say
the
Consumer
Price
Index
this
year
was
8.7
percent.
Last
year,
when
we
gave
back
the
local
option
sales
tax,
our
taxes
actually
was
less
than
the
year
before
I
think
we
have
opportunity
this
year.
If
we
were
to
incorporate
some
of
those
ideas,
that's
what
please
don't
jump
out
of
your
chair.
But
if
we
were
to
incorporate
a
couple
of
those
good
ideas
with
watchful
eyes,
we
may
be
able
to
do
the
same
thing.
Prayerfully
in
2000
23.
Q
reduce
people's
taxes.
What
a
wonderful
effort
that
would
be
on
behalf
of
all
the
taxpayers
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and
I
know:
I'm
gonna
get
some
rocks
upside
my
head
on
this,
because
my
dad
told
me
never
get
in
an
argument
with
a
person
or
entity
that
buys
ink
by
the
battles
and
that's
the
newspaper.
Q
And
it's
taken
out
of
context-
and
he
didn't
say
anything
to
me
about
that.
Article
I
read
that,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
I
called
councilman
Gregory
as
well
as
councilman,
Sheely
and
I
talked
to
one
or
two
I
think
a
couple
other
councilmen
about
it.
Q
Can
be
improved,
has
the
man
put
forth
his
best
efforts?
I'd
say
he
has
and
matter
of
fact,
I
think
he
has
told
me
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's
up
to
one
individual.
We
just
got
through
improving
ordinances
and
changing
ordinances
and
appropriating
money
by
Ways
and
Means
and
guess
how
we
do
that
we
do
that
together,
one
person
doesn't
have
the
right
to
approve
this
Ways
and
Means
of
gender
we're
getting
ready
to
approve.
Hopefully,
almost
a
300
million
dollar
budget.
Q
One
person
doesn't
have
the
right
to
approve
it
now
the
mayor
proposes,
we
discuss
it
and
if
everybody
agrees
it
passes,
there's
been
times
Mr
Mayor,
you
know.
When
we
didn't
agree,
you
propose
the
budget.
Council
kicked
it
around
disagreed
and
voted
for
a
budget
that
Council
thought
would
be
best
for
the
city,
and
that
was
a
budget
that
prevailed.
Q
But
when
we
worked
together,
I
think
we
I'm
proud
of
what
we
do
collectively
for
this
city,
but
when
we
let
frankly
pettiness
get
in
the
way
of
best
efforts
on
behalf
of
the
citizens,
then
shame
on
all
of
us
I'm
not
saying
shame
on
the
individual,
I'm
saying
shame
on
all
of
us
I'm,
including
myself.
Q
So
anytime
we
get
a
chance
to
improve
upon
the
process.
I
think
we
ought
to
discuss
it
seriously
and
I
hope.
My
effort
here
tonight
is
to
have
emotion
on
the
floor.
Eventually
after
hearing
from
my
colleagues
and
voted
up
and
down,
there
was
another
suggestion
that
came
up
at
the
last
meeting.
I
was
unfamiliar
with
it
again
being
on
Council
11
years.
I
didn't
realize
that
until
councilman
Greg
made
mention
that
the
people
in
Berkeley
County
pay
a
little
bit
higher
tax
than
the
people
in
Charleston
County.
Q
Q
As
Councilman
Greg
did
and
said,
you
know:
I'm
I'm,
voting
against
the
budget
because
it's
unfair
I'm,
paraphrasing
the
people
in
Berkeley
County
paying
a
slightly
high
mileage
than
the
people
in
in
Charleston,
but
we
got
a
way
if
we
can
pick
people
on
the
moon
and
bring
them
back.
I'm
I'm
convinced
there's
a
way
to
be
able
to
work
that
out
and
if
we
try
and
the
law
says,
we
can't
do
it.
Q
So
this
is
why
I'm
I'm
actually
bringing
this
for
a
couple
of
good
ideas.
I
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
councilman
Seekers
I
mean
six
or
seven
years
on
that
budget,
ad
Hub
committee
and
anybody
who's
had
the
pleasure
to
serve
on
anybody.
Who's
who
can
sign
in
and
everybody
can
sign
in.
There
was
a
time
where
we
went
into
executive
session.
Council
woman
Parker
was
on
it
on
the
meeting
signed
in
and
she
wasn't
included
on
the
executive
session.
Q
There's
anything
anything
that
takes
place
in
the
executive
session
that
all
12
council
members
in
the
mayor
aren't
privileged
to
know.
I
think
that
was
a
mistake.
I
think
we
were
proven
upon
that
going
forward.
But
again
when
it
comes
to
the
process
that
I'm
recommending
the
mail
would
recommend
and
with
advice
and
consent
and
discussions
with
Council,
these
standing
committees
would
go
forward.
So
Mr
may
I
like
to
hear
from
my
colleagues
on.
B
It
thank
you,
that's
convenient
because
your
10
minutes
was
just
done,
but
thank
you
comments
from
fellow
council
members.
Anyone.
E
I
presume
this
is
something
that
would
have
to
be
done
by
ordinance
change
yeah.
So
what
what
ordinance
number
are
we
looking
at.
L
W
Yes,
the
the
mayor's
the
ordinance
for
the
mayor
I'm.
So
short,
sorry,
it's
ordinance
section
A
2-49,
that's
the
mayor's
ability
to
a
point
for
the
standing
committees.
W
Yes,
the
mayor
at
the
first
meeting
of
each
year
during
his
her
term,
shall
appoint
standing
committees
and
shall
name
the
chairperson
of
each
and
in
case
of
a
vacancy
in
any
committee
or
in
the
chair,
chairpersonship
of
any
committee
from
any
cause
during
his
or
term
of
office.
He
she
shall
fill
such
vacancy.
The
mayor
May
from
time
to
time,
make
such
changes
and
said
committees
as
may
be
necessary
or
conducive
to
the
convenience
of
the
members.
So.
W
E
Hear
there's
some
study
that
needs
to
be
done
about
it
or
you
know,
there's
some
reason.
This
was
done
well
before
we
got
involved
and
I'm
not
sure
what
reason
that
was,
but
just
we
have
a
small
mayor
type
government
but
I
mean
I,
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up
councilmember
where
I
think
it's
it's
worthy
of
discussion
and
what
we
need
to
be
doing
with
that
and
but
I
don't
know.
If
we
should
vote
on
it
tonight
or
we
should
just
I.
K
We
had
a
robust
discussion
on
it
at
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee
and
the
consensus
consensus
among
the
committee
was
to
ask
legal
to
come
up
with
some
draft
language
around
what
it,
what
some
ordinance
language,
which
would
look
like
in
terms
of
that
the
mayor
would
retain
executive
power
to
appoint
the
committee
chairs
or
some
language
around
shall
recommend
again
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
but
getting
into
that.
K
He
would
be
able
to
retain
the
executive
Authority
to
appoint
the
chair,
Vice
chair
and
the
Committees,
the
standing
committee
members
of
council
for
their
organization
and
that's
an
important
term,
as
we
discussed
during
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee
that
you
know
Council
in
the
first
meeting
of
the
year
when
we
go
through
and
we
vote
for
the
rules
of
council
and
we
look
at
the
standing
committee-
appointments
it's
it's
actually
for
the
organization
of
council
and
how
we
proceed
as
a
deliberative
body.
K
So
that
was
discussed.
We
did
ask
Google
to
come
back,
however,
because
the
ordinance
language
is
that
it
has
to
be
adopted
at
the
first
meeting.
Anything
that
we
would
adopt
going
forward
would
be
for
after
the
November
election
for
the
seated
body
that
would
come
in
the
following
January
foreign.
E
The
mayor's
appointments,
I
think
have
been
very
conscientious
over
time,
but
I
think
there
have
been
improvements
from
certain
things,
but
I,
but
I
I
can
see
the
need
for
balance
so
that
we're
making
sure
that
all
of
our
appointments
are
are
parsed
out,
so
that
everybody
has
an
equal
burden
or
responsibility
and
not
overwhelmed
with
committee
appointments
and
that
the
Championships
are
done
that
way
as
as
well
I
I
I'm
glad
to
talk
about
it.
Some
more
I'm
just
not
ready
to
vote
on
it
tonight.
E
E
E
It
would
have
to
go
until
yeah
yeah.
B
Councilmember
Gregory
yeah
come
here.
X
X
Less
objectivity,
sometimes
in
terms
of
how
these
appointments
are
made
Ives
and
I'm,
not
saying
you
mayor,
I,
mean
I've
seen
them
used
to
be
punitive.
X
If
and
it
is,
it
is
possible
and
I
also
think
that
sometimes
there's
no
consideration
of
seniority,
I
think
when
we
have
something
working
and
working
well
on
a
standing
committee
that
we
should
do
our
best
to
sort
of
maintain
that
and
and
I'm
going
to
use
an
example
and
I'm
not
and
I
I'm,
going
to
use
the
example
of
the
transportation
committee
that
councilman
seeking,
headed
and
just
based
on
my
observation
of
what
I
consider
dramatic
changes
on
that
committee
in
terms
of
its
recommendations
in
terms
of
the
accomplishments
with
Carter
I
was
a
little
taken
back
when
that
chairmanship
was
changed,
because
I
thought
that
we
were
on
a
roll
actually
and
I
I
raised
that
just
to
say
that
I
think
sometimes,
maybe
even
inadvertently,
it
can
appear
to
be
punitive.
X
A
council
member
who
has
served
13
years
on
this
body
brings
with
him
a
wealth
of
knowledge
that
junior
and
I
used
the
term
Junior
council
members
don't
have
I.
Do
think
that
pairing
the
senior
with
Junior
members,
maybe
is
chair
co-chair,
is
a
way
to
help
pass
on
information,
historical
information
that
makes
a
difference
or
should
make
a
difference
in
many
cases,
on
the
positions
that
we
take.
X
So
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
need
for
us
to
look
at
it
and
and
come
up
with
some
recommendations
to
this
body,
because
I
have
experienced
it
in
a
fashion
where
it
was
punitive
going
from
no
chairmanships
to
to
going
from
chairmanships
to
no
chairmanships
and
chairmanships
of
those
committees
that
are
not
necessarily
standing
committed
and
the
way
I
I
reviewed.
The
draft
man
and
I
just
thought
that
there's
there's
some
Talent
of
a
certain
one
of
these
standing
committees.
That's
missing,
I!
X
Just
don't
think
that
we're
all
the
time
using
our
senior
folks
with
the
kind
of
background
and
what
they
bring
to
the
table
for
standing
committees,
sometimes
the
way
they
should
be
used
and
I
use
Transportation
as
an
example,
because
I
think
it's
a
good
one
I've,
just
not
seen
in
in
my
14.,
maybe
14
years
in
February.
For
me,
in
my
14
years,
where
I
think
that
Talent
and
skill
and
backgrounds,
okay,
don't
seem
to
necessarily
get
into
the
equation
or
the
decision
making
and
I'll
use
again
myself.
X
As
an
example,
I've
been
the
director
of
Hud.
As
you
know,
all
the
Community
Development
and
housing
programs
that
this
city
deals
with
are
things
that
I
funded
when
I
was
a
manager,
but
under
no
circumstances
in
14
years
have
I
chaired
that
committee,
never
cheered
that
committee
and
sometimes
I,
think
and
again
past
Administrations,
I,
sometimes
I
think
it's
by
Design.
X
X
Of
course,
I
have
the
option
of
making
recommendations,
Etc
et
cetera,
but
that's
different
from
cheering
it
so
I
say
all
this
to
say
that
I
think
that
it
is
time
for
us
to
sort
of
talk
about
it
at
least
have
some
discussions
on
it,
because
I
do
think
that
there
are
ways
that
we
can
better
utilize,
the
expertise
of
each
council
member
to
go
to
the
appropriate
standing
committee,
where
they
will
bring
their
breath
and
their
skills.
Okay
to
the
table
and
I.
X
Just
think
that
that's
the
consideration
that
we
should
start
looking
into
and
I
think
the
only
way
we
can
do.
That
is
to
start
now.
Having
some
discussions
on
committee.
Appointments
as
well
as
chairman
I
mean
we
all
want
to
want
to
represent
the
city
with
our
best
selves,
but
sometimes
we
are
not
given
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
for
the
record
having
gone
through
two
administrations.
X
I
do
see
where
appointments
by
the
mayor
can
in
fact
be
punitive
and.
Y
Councilmember,
thank
you
Mr
Mayor.
This
is
an
interesting
topic.
I
think
councilman
Waring
made
a
lot
of
great
points.
I
think
councilman
Gregory
made
a
lot
of
great
points,
I'll
just
throw
out
some
observations
on
the
other
side
of
the
issue,
just
for
the
sake
of
discussion,
because
I
think
this
is
a
discussion
worth
having.
Y
Let's
use
some
other
branches
of
government
as
an
example
as
a
Corollary,
the
United
States
House
of
Representatives,
they
have
an
enormous
amount
of
standing
committees.
Every
single
one
of
them
right
now
is
chaired
by
a
Democrat,
because
the
Democrats
have
control
of
the
house.
Every
single
one
of
those
committee
chairs
is
going
to
be
thrown
out
in
January.
Y
That's
how
this
works.
Committee,
chairmanships
and
committee
appointments
had
been
political
since
before
the
United
States
was
founded
and
it
has
been
since
so
that
is
a
feature
of
the
federal
system,
State
system
and
and
our
system
and
there's
certainly
some
drawbacks
of
that.
Y
It
means
almost
by
definition,
that
the
most
qualified
people
aren't
necessarily
put
in
the
best
positions
possible,
but
let's
also
not
lose
sight
of
the
fact
that
in
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government,
especially
given
the
history
of
Charleston
and
the
mayors
that
have
come
before,
you
know,
you
get
elected
city-wide
with
an
enormous
amount
of
votes.
With
millions
of
dollars
raised,
you
have
a
mandate
to
come
in
and
and
run
the
city,
and
that
I
think,
is
the
justification.
Y
If
one
were
to
get
up
and
try
to
defend
the
status
quo,
that's
I
think
why
we
sort
of
have
what
we
have
in
place,
but
but,
by
the
same
token,
I
think
that
we
all
ought
to
be
striving
for
making
sure
that
the
Committees
are
staffed
up
and
shared
as
as
best
as
we
can
to
accomplish
the
goals
of
the
city.
But
it's
an
interesting
issue
that
we
ought
to
talk
about
I.
Y
One
idea
that
we
might
want
to
consider
is
perhaps
you
know
the
mayor
recommends
a
slate,
and
that
goes
to
council
for
for
the
discussion.
Absolutely
yeah
I
think
that
I
think
that
is
something
that
works
and
makes
sense.
But
you
know
this
there's
nothing
out
of
the
ordinary
with
what
we
do
around
here.
It's
very
consistent
with
what
is
done
at
every
level
of
government,
and
you
know
the
mayor
gets
elected
by
a
lot
of
people.
Y
There's
folks
sitting
around
this
table
that
are,
you
know,
elected
with
hundreds
of
votes
I'm,
just
throwing
that
out
there.
It's
a
different
kind
of
mandate,
it's
a
different
kind
of
referendum
on
on
on
the
mayor's
race,
whoever
sits
in
the
chair
whether
it's
mayor,
Riley,
mayor,
tacklinberger,
whoever's
going
to
be
the
mayor
in
the
future
thanks
councilman.
Z
So
anyway,
I
gotta
take
shots
at
my
vote.
Total.
Z
Hundreds,
so
there
was
one
concern
that
was
raised
and
the
mayor
raised
plenty
of
concerns,
I'm
sure
he
will
speak
to
those
I'm
I'm,
not
the
mayor,
so
I'm
less
sensitive
to
his
concerns
about
you
know
the
mayor's
power
so
but
one
good
one
is
that
you
know
this
change
has
potential
to
devolve
into
a
big.
You
know,
sort
of
power
struggle
and
and
I
think
we
talked
about
that,
and
there
was
a
pretty
good
consensus
in
that
meeting
that
there
should
be.
Z
You
know,
sort
of
a
a
fallback
that
if
there
is
disagreement,
the
status
quo
continues
and
I
hope,
I'm,
I,
hope
I'm
right
about
that,
because.
J
Z
Z
AA
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
you
know
I
and
I'm.
Hearing
councilman
Appel
say
that
you
know
the
mayor's
elected
by
a
lot
of
people
and
we're
talking
about
party
lines.
Things
like
this
and
you
know
collectively
we
are
we.
We
are
all
elected
by
a
lot
of
people.
We
represent
the
same
people
as
the
mayor
from
a
personal
opinion.
I
I,
don't
see,
I
see
a
lot
more
benefit
in
US,
discussing
these
committees
collectively
as
I.
AA
Do
you
know,
there's
a
whole
lot
more
benefit,
I
think
than
there
are
negatives
to
this.
In,
in
my
mind,
we
don't
vote
down
party
lines.
There's
nothing
that
comes
up
on
city
council,
that's
ever
Democrat
or
I.
Don't
think
anybody
any
vote
we've
taken
this
year,
I,
don't
think
you
can
say
man,
the
Democrats
got
that
or
the
Republicans
got
that
we
just
don't
vote
that
that
way
and
and
I
think
we've
got
a
strong
Council
in
that
I.
AA
P
P
I,
don't
know
why
we
would
not
consider
this
I
mean
it
makes
perfect
sense.
Everything
else
comes
before
Council.
This
seems
like
why?
P
Wouldn't
we,
if
you
look
at
the
draft
that
we
just
received
one
thing,
I
like
to
point
out,
is
you
know
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
spaces
and
places
where
we
put
some
committee
members,
let's
say:
Public
Works
we
have
one
two,
three,
four
from
West
Ashley,
one
downtown
and
we'll
say:
half
a
James,
Island
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
full
representation
of
the
city
and
how
we
should
be
handling
infrastructure,
flooding.
P
Things
like
that
Public
Safety,
one,
two
from
West
Ashley,
two
from
downtown,
no
other
part
of
the
city,
is
represented
on
that
committee.
P
I
can
keep
going,
but
I
think
you
get
what
I'm
getting
on
you
know.
That's
that's!
Where
I'm
going
with
this.
There's
no
doubt
that
my
time
coming
on
to
this
Council,
there
could
definitely
have
been
I
mean
I'm
on
small
claims.
We
have
five
attorneys
here.
I
have
no
idea
why
I
would
be
on
the
small
claims
committee,
but
I
am
I
I,
don't
see
any
reason
not
to
do
this,
so
unless
someone
can
convince
me
otherwise,
I
would
absolutely
suggest
that
these
recommendations
and
appointments
come
to
council.
B
N
Member,
just
just
briefly,
I
think
this
procedurally
I
just
have
a
question
for
our
legal
counsel.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
mean
I
went
back,
I
got
to
desk
49
in
front
of
me,
I
mean
it
seems
like
some
tailoring
of
the
language
could
make
it
so
it
becomes
a
recommendation
with
advice
and
consent
of
council,
I
and
I
do
believe
that
the
way
that
2-49
is
drafted,
the
recommendations
come
in
January,
but
there
can
always
be
adjustments
and
amendments.
N
W
I
mean
what
I
think
we
it
would
depend
on
exactly
on
the
wording
of
the
ordinance,
and
so,
if
we're
directed
to
incorporate
that
wording,
that
is
a
possibility.
Yeah.
N
No
I
get
that
I
mean
just
talking.
Procedurally,
what's
what
we're
doing
to
ourselves?
Are
we
locking
ourselves
into
waiting
a
year
like
we
did
when
we
redistricted,
or
are
we
giving
ourselves
some
flexibility
to
do
what
council
member
warring
has
suggested
with
the
recommendation
for
the
mayor
with
the
advice
and
consent
of
council?
If
we
don't
make
the
deadline
of
the
first
meeting
in
January,
we
haven't
missed
it
by
a
year,
depending
on
how
you
draft
it.
It's
kind
of
the
point
I'm.
X
X
Floor,
we're
non-partisan
bodies,
okay,
and
that
was
done
intentionally.
The
second
thing
is
strong,
mere
form
of
government.
What
does
that
mean
foreign?
X
X
We
report
to
the
people
the
mayor
reports
to
us
just
so
that
we
clear
structurally
when
we
talk
strong,
mere
form
of
governments,
because
sometimes
when
I
hear
it
I
think
that
people
are
saying.
That
means
that
we
report
to
him.
X
X
All
power
lies
in
this
body,
this
body
that
represents
all
the
people
collectively.
Thank
you.
Mr
Healy,
okay
of
this
city,
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear,
because
I
think
we
we.
This
is
the
second
time
that
I've
heard
a
misconception,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
with
a
strong,
mere
form
of
government
needs.
X
X
B
All
right,
thank
you,
councilmember
Parker
thank.
P
You
Mr
Mayor
I,
appreciate
you
saying
that
and
I've
had
many
conversations
about
this
too.
As
you
know,
but
our
mayor,
hires
buyers,
you
know,
department,
heads
and,
if
I
need
something
done
from
a
department
that
that
doesn't
always
get
done,
that
might
not
get
done
because
of
a
relationship
here
or
there.
So,
while
there's
a
body-
yes
I
agree
with
you
there,
but
it
is
this.
Past
year,
I've
learned,
you
know
it's
it's
his
City,
he
runs
it.
I
saw
that
with
the
budget
process.
P
So
it's
not
that
I,
don't
disagree
with
you.
I
agree,
but
I
also
see
it
from
a
different.
You
know
perspective
as
well.
X
My
my
experience
with
with
staff
that
the
mayor
hires
it's
a
little
different
from
yours,
okay,
I,
don't
I,
don't
seem
to
get
that
kind
of
problem
with
the
mayor
and
staff.
X
J
C
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Miller.
Thank
all
our
colleagues
for
share
a
new
best
best
thoughts.
Councilmember
Bell
I
agree
with
you,
but
if
you
were
to
take
your
thought
and
go
a
step
further,
when
the
elections
held,
all
the
chairpersons
are
thrown
out,
the
new
chairpersons
get
selected
by
their
colleagues
and
from
that
party,
not
from
the
president,
so
again,
I
think
you're
kind
of
making
my
point
a
little
bit.
It's
the
colleagues
collaboration
among
colleagues
and
Mia
is
also
a
member
of
this
Council
he's
one
of
the
colleagues.
Q
Q
The
only
reason
we're
talking
about
this
tonight
is
because
I
had
the
ability,
as
a
council
member,
to
call
the
clerk
and
add
this
to
the
agenda.
Our
ad
hoc
committee
met
in
July
on
another
issue
that
councilmember
Bob
brought
up
about.
You
know
ornices
that
comes
from
Council.
That
came
here
too
fast
and
we
needed
more
time.
That
was
that's
why
the
ad
hoc
committee
was
pulled
together
and
councilmember
Bob
was
right
and
we've
got
a
recommendation.
That
I
think
makes
sense.
Q
Q
The
ad
hoc
committee
met
last
week.
I
brought
it
up
in
an
effort
to
have
it
come
before.
Council
and
the
process
wouldn't
allow
it
to
come
to
council
from
the
ad
hoc
committee
because
it
wasn't
advertised
on
the
agenda.
In
my
opinion,
I
thought
it
was
old
business.
We
had
discussed
it
in
July,
we
discussed
it
in
September.
We
discussed
it
again
in
December.
Q
The
mayor
had
his
had.
Staff
did
some
research
on
how
other
cities
do
it
and
they
report
it
in
December,
but
when
I
asked
for
it
to
come
well,
when
Ashley
was
councilman
about
had
made
mention
about
bringing
it
forward
to
council
and
then
a
point
of
order
came
and
said
it
wasn't
advertising
an
opinion
of
the
chair
which
it
says
right.
Q
The
chair
said
the
mayor
brought
a
point
of
order
that
it
wasn't
advertised
the
chair
heard
from
me
and
I
said
it
should
be
allowed
on
the
oil
business
in
an
opinion
of
the
chair.
The
ruling
was
since
it
wasn't
advertised,
it,
couldn't
come
forward.
The
council
but
I'd
already
called
Madam
Clerk
and
she
already
had
it
on
the
agenda.
Oh,
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
discussion
today.
So,
in
my
opinion,
politics
had
I
not
called
the
clerk
we
wouldn't
be
talking
about
this
today.
Q
Now
on
the
other
side
of
this
I
actually
think
we'll
be
better
I.
Think
we're
all
going
to
be
better
as
a
result
of
having
that
discussion
on
what
committee
what
talents
can
be
brought
from
a
individual
standpoint
from
diversity.
Making
sure
every
portion
of
the
city
hopefully
is
is
covered.
It's
a
great
Point,
councilmember
Parker
you
brought
out
I,
didn't
even
think
about
that
portion,
so
she
just
made
it
this
now
but
I.
You
know
it's
kind
of
like
the
birthing
process.
Q
You
know
birthing
process
is
a
struggle,
but
when
that
baby
comes
into
the
world,
who
is
not
happy
and
celebrating
that
birth
and
I
think
this
is
what
we
kind
of
going
through
right
now
we're
going
to
be
better
as
a
result
of
the
change
now
one
thing
that
came
up
in
the
ad
hoc
committee
as
well
as
it
has
come
up
on
the
floor.
That
should
we
make
if
we
don't
make
this
change
by
Madam
clerk.
When
is
the
committee
appointments
normally
done
is
the
second
meeting.
Q
First
meeting
the
first
meeting
in
January,
then
we
have
to
wait
until
2024.
I
just
vehemently
disagree
with
that.
A
quorum
of
this
Council,
a
majority
of
the
Quorum
of
this
Council,
can
change
any
ordinance
in
this
city.
So
this
piece
about
it
have
to
wait
until
the
next
12
months
and
the
next
election
cycle.
That's
created,
that's
not
the
reality
of
what
our
rules
allow.
So
that
being
said,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
Mr
Mayor,
that
we
send
this.
Q
These
recommendations
for
this
change
for
our
legal
staff
to
come
back
with
a
an
amended
ordinance,
creating
some
change
and
encourage
legal
to
get
in
contact
with
some
of
some
council
members
sidebars
to
see
to
solicit
some
thoughts,
but
we
can
improve
upon
this.
Thank
you.
We.
B
K
My
mom
always
said:
if
I
had
didn't
have
anything
nice
to
say,
I
shouldn't
say
it
at
all,
and
also
that
I
have
two
ears
in
one
mouth,
for
a
reason
that
didn't
always
come
into
force,
of
course,
but
I
did
want
to
to
mention
to
councilmember
waring's
point
in
the
committee
in
a
deliberative
process.
Things
are
not
always
immediate
things
move
forward.
The
Machinery
of
government
is
designed
to
be
deliberate.
That's
why
it's
the
deliberative
process,
not
the
immediate
process.
K
The
adult
rules
committee
heard
this
very
point
several
weeks
ago
and
made
a
recommendation
that
legal
come
up
with
language.
I
mean
this
was
heard
in
an
ad
hoc
committee
on
which
other
members
of
this
Council
serve
that
this
has
been
part
of
the
process.
K
If
a
member
of
that
committee
has
an
issue
with
the
point
of
order,
the
rules
of
procedure
allow
an
appeal
of
the
opinion
of
the
chair
to
the
members
of
that
committee.
That
is
a
part
of
the
rules
of
procedure.
If
there
was
a
disagreement
with
the
ruling
of
the
chair,
the
rules
of
procedure
would
allow
that
that
was
not
brought
up
at
the
committee
when
the
chair
ruled
on
the
point
of
order.
K
That
being
said,
I
don't
disagree
with
the
fundamental
understanding
of
what
we're
trying
to
do.
I
also
think
customer
wearing
to
your
point.
We
don't
have
to
wait
a
year
to
do
to
do
this.
What
I
worry
about
and
I
hope
that
the
committee
will
be
able
to
deliberate
on
further?
K
We
talked
about
the
status
quo
going
forward
if
Council
decided
not
to
adopt
the
mayor's
recommendations,
but
what
I
I
want
the
committee
to
be
able
to
talk
about
is
to
deliberate
on
what?
What?
If
we
get
to
a
point
where
we're
voting
on
one
committee
chair
moving
one
committee
chair
going
away,
something
happens:
we're
going
to
take
somebody
off
we're
going
to
move
somebody
on
and
we're
going
to
just
start
derailing
agendas
as
we
go
forward
and
we're
going
to
get
get
mired
in
this
type
of
thing.
K
Where
that
you
just
need
seven
members
of
council
to
start
unseating
people
all
of
a
sudden.
There's
a
ad
hoc
Rules
Committee
in
place.
It
is
our
job
to
parse
these
rules,
and
that
is
exactly
what
is
going
on.
So
I
would
ask
that
we
defer
the
motion
that
is
currently
on
the
floor.
Let
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee
deal
with
it.
Let
legal
come
back
with
the
language
that
we
asked
them
to
do
at
the
last
meeting.
K
K
Q
Like
to
address
my
colleague
councilman,
thank
you,
Mr
Lynn
I
said
you
rule
that
the
point
of
order
brought
by
to
me
in
the
opinion
of
the
chair,
I,
disagree
with
it.
I
respectfully
disagree
with
it
because
you,
as
chair
of
the
committee,
had
to
write,
in
your
opinion
to
rule
favorably
or
unfavorably
on
it,
but
as
I
said,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
said
it
in
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
I
also
said
it
earlier
in
my
comments
today.
Q
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
an
issue
that
Council
needs
to
discuss
and
decide
upon.
Not
to
add
our
commitment
and
I
said
so.
In
the
last
you
go
into
YouTube
and
look
at
it.
I
thought
the
ad
hoc
committee
was
frankly
very
inefficient.
It
shouldn't
have
taken
from
July
and
to
December
to
decide
upon
this
issue
all
for
it
to
come
before
Council,
preferably
before
sending
it
to
our
legal
counsel.
Q
That
would
not
happen
in
the
ad
hoc
committee
process.
So
you
and
I
just
have
a
disagreement
on
the
efficiency
of
that
ad
hoc
committee
process.
Q
I
appreciate
the
comments
that
our
council
member
were
allowed
to
do
today
and
I
do
believe,
saying
it
sending
it
to
our
legal
Council
now
that
they
have
heard
all
comments,
All,
who
were
willing
to
comment
and
the
fruitful
comments
both
for
and
against
I
think
the
legal
staff
can
come
up
with
something
that
we
all
can
be
proud
of.
Thank
you.
Mr
Neal.
B
Let's,
let's
return
to
the
motion
on
the
floor,
councilman
Waring
made
a
motion
that
was
seconded
councilmember
Brady
made
a
motion
to
defer.
Did
you
not
did
anyone?
Second,
fearing
none
would
like
to
take
action
on
the
motion.
That's
on
the
floor.
Any
further
discussion,
awesome
I
think
it
was
for
legal
counsel
to
make
a
recommendation
and
bring
bring
it
back
to
this
body.
If.
Q
B
AB
Yes,
I
was
going
to
say:
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything
about
this
I
know
I've
gone
this
Council
a
while
and
before
most
of
you
all
got
on
Council.
AB
This
was
brought
up
a
long
time
ago
and
we
at
that
time.
Even
under
mayor
Riley's
time,
we
sent
two
council
members
to
the
state
to
the
Attorney
General's
office
and
just
to
get
some
ruling
and
some
information
because
of
the
type
form
of
government
that
we
have
and
because
we
had
some
things
going
on,
and
he
stated
at
the
time
in
Colombia
that
you
have
to
Council
near
Council
from
government
that
was
given
to
the
mayor
by
the
previous
Council.
AB
But
when
you're
doing
those
things,
if
you
want
to
change
that,
you
have
to
spell
out
what
change
that
you
want
to
do
to
be
voted
on,
and
it
only
took
the
seven
votes
said.
Council
give
it
Council
can
take
it
away
with
the
seven
votes
that
can't
potential
General's
office.
I
think
it
was
a
councilman
Jimmy
gallon
took
me,
said,
and
I've
got
the
other
individual
that
went
through
in
that
time,
and
he
always
say
it.
He
also
said
I
didn't
tell
you
it's
not
going
to
be
a
fight,
but
this
is.
AB
This
is
the
only
way
you
can
change
up
a
seven
book
without
changing
the
form
of
government.
If
you
make
you
can
change
certain
aspects
of
what
you
want
done
by
seven
votes
on
Council,
because
council
is
the
one
that
give
the
power
to
the
mayor,
and
you
can
do
that,
and
that
was
that
came
back
from
way
back
since
I'm
on
Council
and
I
knew
that
soapage
staff
is
concerned.
AB
AB
AB
They
know
me
like
that.
That's
the
way
I
am,
but
that's
what
I
took
upon
myself
to
do.
This
is
the
way
I
live,
and
my
accident
was
to
do
what
I
do,
but
this
is
what
I
do
so
that's
why
I'm
known
by
all
my
neighborhood
association,
presses
they'll,
tell
you
right
now:
oh,
you
can
always
call
in
councilmates
here
always
there
I'm
there
they
hear
what's
going
on,
they
give
them
information,
but
they
ask
me
to
do
something
or
you
want
to
bring
something
else.
Okay,
you
want
me
to
bring
it
up.
AB
AB
I,
don't
have
a
problem
I'm
going
to
serve
as
we
have
a
capacity
that
I
get
into
the
best
of
my
ability.
If
I
feel
like
I
can't
handle
it
I'll
go
back
and
say:
look
let
me
get
this
up
and
let
someone
else
to
take
it
and
I'll
be
the
assistant.
I'll
be
the
co-chair
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
You
know,
but
I
work
pretty
hard,
don't
know
at
all,
but
I
know
a
lot.
I
might
not
say
a
lot,
but
don't
think
I
don't
know
it.
AB
I
just
didn't
sit
here
almost
20
years,
but
nothing
you
know.
So
it's
it's.
You
know
we
just
have
to
come
together
and
if
we
want
to
make
changes,
let
me
make
changes
together,
but
we
don't
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
blow
it
out
of
proportion
either.
I
just
got
that
problem
with
this
causing
problem.
When
we
can
do
it
differently.
AB
You
know
because
I
can
go
to
the
mayor
right
now
and
say:
yeah
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
work.
I,
don't
think
it's
gonna
happen.
You
know,
I
can't
do
this.
I
can't
support
that
I
can't
do
this
and
I'll
go
to
him
personally
and
tell
him
I.
Tell
them
I'll
tell
them
on
the
console,
for
it
doesn't
bother
me
because,
when
I
feel
that
I'm
doing
what's
right,.
AB
You
could
say
whatever
you
want
to
say,
because
I'm
not
here
to
hurt
anyone
and
if
someone
asks
me
a
question
I'm
going
to
ask
them,
you
sure
you
want
me
to
answer
because
I'm
gonna
give
you
my
answer.
You
might
not
agree
with
it,
but
I'm
gonna
give
you
my
answers.
I
can
explain
to
you
why
I
do
it
and
that's
just
the
way.
I
live
and
I
can't
mess
up
that
way.
People
Council
Mateo
came
and
asked
me
one
time.
AB
I,
do
do
not
ask
me
a
question
if
you
don't
want
me
to
answer
it
and
I.
Did
you
tell
you
I?
Did
you
asked
me
like
Nobody
Knows,
It,
All
I?
Don't
that's
just
me.
It's
just
nothing!
Personal
I!
Don't
get
angry
about
it,
but
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
know
you
know,
but
of
all
that
we
still
can
conversate
it's
nothing
personal,
there's,
no
Personal
Agenda
I,
don't
have
personal
agendas.
AB
You'll
find
I.
Do
not
I'll
sit
here
all
night
long.
Let's
look
at
everyone
when
they're
talking
all
these
things
are
they
going
to
shut
their
mouth
up?
You
know
this.
It
might
be
sitting
right
here,
I'd
be
saying
it
I've
been
on
this
console.
I
said:
I
barely
have
my
probably
a
little
too
long.
But
that's
what
I'd
be
saying
be
talk,
talk,
talk,
talk,
talk,
go
back
around
and
say
the
same
thing.
Somebody
else
said:
I,
don't
believe
you
repeating
what
someone
else
to
say.
AB
You
know
it's
prolonged
information,
see
what
you
have
to
say
me.
What
you
want
to
say
and
just
get
it
done
and
you
move
on.
That's
the
way.
I
learned,
maybe
old
school,
but
that's
the
way
I
learned
so
whatever
they
want
to
do.
We
want
to
make
changes.
We
can
come
together
and
sit
down
and
have
a
meeting
and
talk
about
it.
Talk
to
the
mayor
bud,
but
this
is
the
former
government
we
have
so
we
can
make
the
changes.
AB
AB
And
I'm
not
here
to
look
like
a
clown,
but
no
one.
So
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say,
but
if
the
change
will
be
made,
it
can
be
changed
with
the
seven
votes.
That's
just
the
law
and
that
came
from
maternal
General's
office
a
long
time
ago.
Anything
you
want
to
change.
Mount
Pleasant
did
it
and
I
spoke
with
some
of
the
nutmegons
I
spoke
to
the
council
members
over
there.
One
time
they
took
some
of
their
powers
and
put
it
back
in
Castle
hand.
AB
P
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
quickly,
because
that
felt
like
an
insinuation,
I
work
hard
for
my
community.
That's
not
what
that
meant!
So
don't
don't
take
what
I
said
about
department,
heads
or
anything
like
that
that
was
specific
to
the
mayor
is
in
charge
of
these
department.
Heads
I'm
not
sitting
over
here,
saying
I
have
a
problem
either
and
I
do
work
hard
for
my
community,
so
I
just
want
to
just
make.
AB
That
point,
but
I
was
talking
to
him
personally.
I
was
talking
in
general.
When
you
see
me,
speak
I
speak
in
general
times
and
I
talk
about
it.
Yeah
I'm
talking
about
right,
constant
appeal,
but
when
I
was
speaking
I'm
speaking
about
here,
myself,
I
can't
speak,
but
you
you
you
no
I.
Don't
do
that
I,
don't
think
I'm
speaking
about
myself.
What
I
do
what
you
do
is
what
you
do.
AB
K
C
K
P
B
And
for
the
record,
I
would
like
to
just
explain
my
vote.
I'm
allowed
to
do
that
and-
and
let
me
say
that
I
feel
that
we
all
work
for
our
Citizens
Council
and
the
mayor.
Part
of
my
job
is
to
administer
the
policies
that
and
the
ordinances
that
we
enact.
So
it's
absolutely
right.
Don't
we
pass
something
by
seven
votes:
I'm
gonna
do
my
best
job
to
administer
it.
That's
that's!
That's
my
part
of
my
job
now.
B
Having
said
that,
from
my
vote
of
no
of
two
two
facets,
one
I
believe
the
right
process
would
be.
In
fact
it's
in
the
matter
back
to
the
budget,
I
mean
to
the
rules
ad
hoc
committee
that
we
formed
this
year,
but
I
also
want
to
say
it's
a
real
Balancing
Act
to
to
to
recommend
these
committees
there's
only
so
many
of
them.
B
There's
there's
not
enough
to
go
around
for
us
all
to
be
chair
of
a
committee,
and
so
I
I
have
tried
my
best
I
feel
to
balance
geographically
racially.
We
only
have
one
woman
on
Council,
so
I
I
have
tried
my
best
to
do
that,
and
you
know
it's.
It's
not
a
perfect
system
because
of
the
numbers,
but
but
I
will
say
you
know
you
have
to
take
in
to
account
not
only
those
kinds
of
considerations,
but
also
expertise
and
interests.
B
I
I
do
feel
when
new
members
come
along,
I
I
meet
with
them.
I
query
them
as
to
what
they're
interested
in
doesn't
always
work
out
that
they
that
there's
a
slot
on
the
committee
that
they're
most
interested
in.
B
In
some
cases,
we've
actually
added
changed
the
committee
structure
to
add
extra
slots
when
someone
really
had
an
interest,
and
so
we
can
be
flexible
in
accommodating,
but
I
I
must
say
when
a
when
a
mayor
gets
elected
in
this
form
of
government
and
a
strong
mayor
that
that
there
is
a
touch
of
what
councilmember
Rappel
spoke
of
and
that's
he,
he
does
get
elected
with
an
agenda
that
he
has
brought
to
the
citizens.
B
That's
why
they
voted
for
him
and
so
I
do
feel
the
the
mayor's
ability
to
align
his
administration
to
accomplish.
Those
things
that
he
ran
on
is
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
mayor's
job
and
being
a
strong
mayor,
and
it's
it's
not
personal.
I
I
believe
that
for
this
form
of
government
and
for
future
Mayors,
no
matter
who
might
be
mayor
in
the
future,
we
have
a
long
list
of
them
there.
B
You
know
the
setup
we
have
is
is
a
pretty
good.
If,
if
y'all
vote,
we
got
seven
votes
to
tell
me
different
I'm
going
to
say
yes,
sir
and
yes,
ma'am
and
and
we'll
carry
forward
all
right.
So
next
up
is
our
Council
committee
reports.
First
one
is
Committee
on
Public,
Safety
Council
member
shade.
Thank.
E
You
Mr
Mayor,
the
committee
met
on
December
the
12th
at
two
o'clock.
We
had
a
very
good
report
from
Patsy
Gardner
she's,
the
executive
director
of
Second
Chance
Resource
Center.
E
If
you
haven't
heard
about
her,
she
parallels
a
lot
of
the
work
that
Amy
broch
does
with
turned
90,
but
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
approach
to
Rehabilitation
of
folks
who
have
been
convicted
of
criminal
offenses
on
how
she
worked
with
the
entire
family.
So
it
was
just
I
wanted
to
hear
from
her
reporting
Council
about
her
organization
does
exist
and
they
do
very
good
work
on
trying
to
avoid
recidivism.
E
We
had
items
BCD
and
E4
vote.
All
of
them
were
approved.
B
was
just
to
extend
our
memorandum
of
understanding
and
operations
with
to
go
into
the
Isle
of
Palms,
and
then
I've
asked
Chief
Korea
just
to
briefly
comment
about
CD
and
e,
and
what
not
entailed
Chief
Gloria.
AC
Good
evening
for
those
three
items
that
were
on
the
public
safety
agenda,
they're
all
for
donations
of
self-contained
breathing
apparatus
that
the
fire
department
uses
by
way
of
explanation.
Those
are
the
cylinders,
the
harnesses
and
the
masks
that
you
often
see
firefighters
wearing.
So
they
can
have
fresh
air
as
they
go
into
atmospheres
that
are
immediately
dangerous
to
life
and
health.
AC
AC
AC
So
if
we
can
donate
this
equipment
to
them
and
allows
the
students
to
have
a
much
more
realistic
learning
experience,
Charleston
fire
department
will
partner
with
the
school
district
to
make
this
happen
to
provide
instructors
and,
most
importantly,
it
sets
the
stage
for
us
to
hire
local
talent.
If
we
can
hire
local
talent,
the
theory
is
they'll.
Stay
local
they'll
stay
home
will
be
able
to
better
diversify
the
department
from
people
that
we
hire
within
Charleston
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
AC
E
I
just
thought
it
was
important
for
the
whole
Council
to
hear
that
part
of
the
report,
because
I
know
we've
been
having
discussions
about
hiring
Reach
Out
Community,
Reach
Out,
which
is
a
wonderful
tool
if
we
can
hire
locally
and
keep
some
of
these
young
people
to
get
them
interested
in
working
with
the
fire
department.
Thank
you,
Chief.
So
I
moved
for
approval
of
the
any.
B
K
Am
I
out
of
order?
No
I
was
moving
for
approval
and
noting
that
item
B
was
deferred
on
the
agenda
to
to
adopt
the
report.
AA
Well,
there
was
a
joint
meeting
of
the
special
facilities
in
committee
on
Recreation
yesterday
at
two
o'clock,
Matt
Frolic
introduced
Romaine
Howard,
who
Hayward
I'm
sorry
Romaine
Hayward,
who
has
been
working
for
the
city
for
several
years,
but
it's
now
been
promoted
to
special
facilities
director
and,
as
you
mentioned,
we
deferred
voting
on
an
ordinance
to
move
the
municipal
golf
course
from
the
recreation
department
to
special
facilities,
division
of
Budget
Finance
and
revenue
Collections,
and
we're
planning
on
having
another
meeting,
probably
in
January,
to
discuss
that
ordinance
once
again,
but
also
Boeing
has
made
a
significant
donation
to
the
South
Carolina
Aquarium
for
their
learning.
AA
Labs
they've
donated
two
million
dollars,
and
both
committees
unanimously
agreed
to
include
the
words
the
South
Carolina
Aquarium
learning
Labs,
sponsored
by
Boeing
in
the
naming
and
signage
for
those
programs.
I
think
most
of
you
know
that
the
aquarium
has
a
program
for
kindergarten
through
12th
grade
they
take
in
about
6
500
students
a
year.
Currently,
however,
they
turn
away
many
more
than
they
bring
in
because
they
don't
have
the
facilities.
AA
And
now,
with
this
generous
donation
from
Boeing
they're,
going
to
be
able
to
extend
those
classrooms,
they'll
be
able
to
bring
in
about
13
000
students
currently
now
that
the
Charleston
Maritime
Center
will
still
be
the
Charleston
Maritime
Center,
it's
just
those
learning.
Labs
that'll
have
that
name
change
in
the
in
the
signage.
So
we
also
had
Patrick
Moore
of
the
open
space.
Institute,
give
us
a
presentation
of
the
Bradham
Road
property
on
James
Island,
those
of
us
that
saw
that
know
it's
a
beautiful
piece
of
property
over
off
of
Riverland
Drive.
AA
It
sits
between
James,
Island,
County,
Park
and
and
the
bridge,
and
and
also
Fort
Pemberton
right
in
that
same
area.
It's
got
tidal.
Creek
access
overlooks
the
stone
over
the
gorgeous
view
over
there
and
I
believe
that'll
be
brought
now
over
to
our
real
estate
committee
for
the
next
committee
meeting
and
we're
looking
at
asking
for
Greenbelt
funds
on
that
as
well.
So
we
also
had
Bart
Altman
who's.
AA
The
president
of
Charleston
Disc,
Golf
Community,
present
to
us
a
presentation
and
some
pictures
on
the
dot
on
the
disc
golf
park
over
at
West
Ashley
Park,
and
we
also
thank
Mr
Altman
because
he's
put
in
hundreds
of
volunteer
hours,
helping
us
keep
that
Golf
Course
up
and
and
maintain
it.
So,
and
that
is
the
end
of
my
report.
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
if
we
need
a
approval
for
the
signage
or
or
if
it's
just
for
information.
I'm,
not.
AA
I
think
it
will
come
back
a
we
will
have
to
have
another
joint
committee
meeting,
I
believe
between
special
facilities
and
Recreation
to
discuss
that
ordinance
once
again.
Okay,.
AA
P
E
My
conversations
with
councilman
rasheely
about
it
was
to
try
to
put
together
a
meeting
council
member
Parker
and
you
and
I
will
serve
on
the
golf
commission.
So
it
may
be
appropriate
for
you
and
me
and
councilman
shealy
in
some
members,
from
the
friends
of
the
muni
and
Marshall
and
Laurie
to
be
to
go
over
that
to
find
out
where
this
is
sort
of
heading
and
I'll
I'll
reach
out
to
the
two
of
y'all
and
see
what
we
can
get
that
set
up
before
the
next
January
meeting.
Very.
B
B
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
move
adoption,
the
recording
from
all
actionable
items
and
just
want
to
highlight
two
things.
That's
been
Brady
item
c,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
broadberry,
Woods
I
know
something
you've
been
working
on,
and
collaboration
between
the
town
of
James
Island
and
the
City
of
Charleston
on
the
Camp
Road
trainings
Basin,
roughly
64
36.
Let's
call
it,
but
the
important
thing
is
collaboration
between
the
town
of
James,
Island
and
the
city
on
the
drainage
project,
but
that
I
moved
the
adoption.
B
AB
B
AB
Q
One
item:
that's
what
I'm
wearing
on
the
music
piece
I
want
to
thank
the
colleagues
and
certainly
staff
for
coming
up
with
additional
revenues
of
emoji
that
basically
came
from
the
floor
at
the
last
meeting.
So
I
wanted
to
thank
Nan
staff
as
well
as
colleagues
for
supporting
that
and
I
would
hope
that
in
this
process
we
can
get
with
Mr
Watson
and
you
and
others,
and
try
to
reinvape
figurate
the
board
of
motion
to
get
some
new
energy
on
that
and
expand.
Hopefully,
some
of
the
offerings
when
the
festival
does
come
in
23.
P
You
Mr
Mayor
quickly,
I
apologize,
I,
didn't
ask
this
at
Ways
and
Means
Can
someone
quickly,
just
our
budget
set
the
stormwater
utility
fee
at
11.
What
was
the
previous
fee?
Okay!
Thank
you.
A
Was
going
to
point
that
out,
you
are
increasing
the
stormwater
fee
just
so
you
know
that
I'm
not
opposed
to
any
fees
or
tax
increases.
This
is
a
great
fee
to
increase.
In
fact,
we
should
be
increasing
it
every
single
year.
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
I'm
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
increasing
our
storm
RP
on
a
regular
basis
index
to
inflation,
or
something
like
that
because,
as
we
all
know,
our
stormwater
projects
are
getting
much
more
expensive.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
B
There
was
an
increase
in
that
as
well.
This
Fountain
can
be
specific
I
think
it
went
from
a
million
to
a
million
four,
if
I
remember
correctly,
but
I
might
not
remember
correct.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
the,
so
the
storm
water
operations
account,
which
is
where
the
utility
fee
funds,
the
increase
of
a
dollar
from
ten
dollars
to
eleven
dollars,
is
basically
accounting
for
the
impacts
of
inflation.
Since
the
last
time
we
adjusted
the
fee
in
early
2019
it's
about
four
years
ago,
so
the
10
increase
is
actually
significantly
less
than
the
amount
of
inflation
we've
had
over
that
four-year
period.
We
are
proposing
to
retain
the
one
million
dollar
small
project
allocation
in
that
budget.
O
So
basically
the
fee
increase
allows
us
to
continue
to
have
that
one
million
dollar
fee
all
right.
One
million
dollar
small
allocation
project
budget.
C
B
Well,
well
again,
that
would
be
at
the
pleasure
of
council
but
I
I
would
say
we
had
this
discussion
because
of
the
anticipated
changes
that
we
will
have
in
our
Billing
System.
We
wanted
to
see
how
much
income
we
would
Garner
from
from
that
next
year,
before
we
raise
the
rate
any
more.
That
was
the
thinking
at
least,
but
again,
seven
votes
will
get
we'll
get
you
there.
I.
Q
Out
on
similar
lines,
we
all
know
be
behind
the
eight
ball
when
it
comes
to
revenues
and
you're
right,
councilman
Greg
on
needing
monies
for
stormwater
I
mean
we
just.
We
just
need
more
funds,
we
do,
but
anyway,
I
I
would,
if
it
made
them
to
the
floor,
I
would
vote
to
go
to
12,
but
anyway,
all
right.
B
All
right
any
any
further
questions
comments.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
your
Posey
on
seven
next
up
is
Bill
for
third
take
one
and
two
together
we
got
one
and
two
together.
We've
got
a
second
on
that
all
right,
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposes
I
want
to
take
a
roll
call.
Just
so
we're
clear
on
are.
D
B
B
I
thought
the
motion
was
to
approve
both
together,
but
just
to
make
double
sure
we
can
vote
again
to
actually
approve
bills,
L
one
and
two
so.
B
D
B
K
B
With
us
take
one
second,
four,
together,
all
in
favor
of
taking
them
together,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Now.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
one
through
four.
Q
Can
we
get
it's
called
where
it
come
to
the
microphone?
My
understanding
that
the
money's
for
to
help
improve
some
of
the
gateways
and
beautification
in
West
Ashley
was
in
his
budget.
Well,
where
is
well,
let
me
get
his
Wharton
account
for
it.
I
just
want
to
know
whether
it's
the
amount
it'll
be
coming
forward,
try
and
help
improve
the
gateways
into
West
Ashley,
some
of
them.
AD
I,
don't
because
we're
getting
information
together
for
scope
and
all
of
that
for
the
amount
okay
and
then
we
will
bring
it
to
you
to
discuss
so.
Q
That's
good,
but
let
me
let
me
tell
you
why
that's
so
important,
we
voted
unanimous
to
fix
the
the
low
battery
wall
even
to
the
tune
of
issuing
a
bond,
and
this
budget
is
it
I,
said
Meeting
Street
last
meeting,
but
it
was
actually
Market
Street
as
an
improved
Street
skates
in
Market
Street
in
this
budget,
in
excess
of
three
million
dollars
when
it
comes
to
improving
and
revitalizing
West
Ashley
when
it
comes
to
Spring
fish
burn
September
clock,
that's
a
200
million
dollar
in
this
case
drainage
project.
Q
But
when
it
comes
to
improving
areas
west
of
the
peninsula,
we
have
the
representation
of
where's
the
beef
where's,
the
money.
Okay-
and
that's
not
our
constituents
fault,
that's
our
fault.
Okay,
so
I
would
hope
when
the
adjustments
are
made.
Q
Mr
Mayor
I
know
you
agree
with
this
I
do
we
have
worked
on
a
lot
of
things,
but
if
I
were
to
say
how
much
money
do
we
have
to
improve
the
look
coming
into
West
Ashley
improving
some
of
those
key
intersections
with
proper
Landscaping
coming
in
from
17
up
by
bees,
Ferry
Road
and
all
of
that
stuff?
Coming
in
from
Old
National
River
Bridge,
the
North
Bridge?
All
of
that
again
key
intersections.
We
really
need
some
serious
dollars
to
do
that.
Q
I
mean
token
money,
ain't
getting
it
so
I
look
forward
to
I
know
we
have
to
look
on
the
Rock
sometimes,
but
we
got
experience
doing
that
right.
That's.
B
AA
You
Mr
Mayor,
you
know
the
ways
and
means
committee
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago:
I
was
kind
of
quiet
and
I
was
but
I
was
listening
to
councilman
seekings
very
closely
and
his
ideas
around
the
revenue
side
of
our
of
our
budget,
and
you
know
just
like
others.
I
was
wishing
I
had
heard
that
maybe
a
little
earlier,
but
I've
had
two
weeks
to
think
about
it.
I
I
think
he's
absolutely
right
it.
AA
The
millage
increase
affects
everyone
first
of
all,
and
that
you
know
with
eight
million
tourists,
150
000
constituents.
AA
There
may
be
a
better
way
to
balance
the
revenue
side
of
this
budget
rather
than
the
millage
increase,
and
he
suggested
raising
the
transit
fees
or
parking
garage
fees
from
18
a
day
to
twenty
seven
dollars
a
day
or
an
average
ticket
price.
Eight
dollars
to
a
little
over
twelve
dollars,
I
think
would
raise
I
think
he
said
additional
4.9
million
dollars
in
doing
that.
AA
He
talked
about
the
hotel
parking
fees
increasing
from
twenty
dollars
to
thirty
dollars,
giving
us
an
additional
million
and
a
half,
and
in
doing
that,
those
two
things
I
think
it
brought
an
equivalent
of
3.86,
mils
and
and
I
feel
like.
We
need
to
do
this.
AA
He
only
made
it
as
a
suggestion
of
the
parking
violation,
fines
of
14
but
I-
think
that
that's
a
great
idea
as
well
on
here.
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
ever
received
a
parking
citation
from
another
municipality,
but
I've
got
a
child.
That's
16
years
old,
with
a
car
registered
in
my
name
and
I
will
assure
you
that
the
beach
communities
do
not
charge
14
for
a
parking
violation.
AA
AA
Just
don't
think
we
should
be
making
a
call
on
having
a
millage
increase
when
we've
got
another
option
to
raise
the
revenue
funds,
so
I'm
I'm
kind
of
supporting
his
idea
in
this.
So
thank
you
all
right.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
well,
councilman
Sheely
said
a
lot
of
what
I
said
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
cut
my
notes
short
here.
You
know
it
is
great
to
be
the
number
one
city
in
the
world
or
whatever
support
relative
we're
enjoying
right
now
on
on
tourist
magazines,
councilman
Sheila,
you
mentioned
eight
million
people
per
year
come
to
visit
the
peninsula.
A
I
would
I
haven't
talked
to
either
Chief
Courier
or
chief
Reynolds
about
this,
but
I
would
suppose
that
that
causes
an
increased
burden
on
our
Public
Safety
professionals,
which
means
we
have
to
hire
more
police
and
more
fire
to
protect
all
those
people
that
are
visiting
our
Peninsula,
and
so
my
question
to
this
body
would
be
at
what
point
do
we
start
asking
those
folks
that
are
visiting
to
help
pay
the
burden
to
protect
them,
while
they're
here
and
councilman,
seeking
has
brought
up
a
great
way
to
do
that?
A
The
last
thing
I'd
say
is:
you
know
at
some
point
we're
going
to
have
to
wrap
our
heads
around
how
we're
going
to
generate
significant
amount,
more
Revenue,
some
of
the
infrastructure
projects
that
we're
talking
about
in
this
city
are
in
the
billions
of
dollars
with
a
B.
There's
no
property
tax
increase
possible
for
us
to
fund
that
so,
whether
it's
Hotel
fees
or
parking
fees,
there's
going
to
be
have
to
be
some
significant
increases
in
Revenue
to
pay
for
this
stuff
and
I.
A
Don't
think
that
our
federal
or
state
governments
are
going
to
drop
the
billions
of
dollars
on
us
to
fund
these
projects.
You
were
talking
about
West
Ashley
I
mean
the
folks
I
talked
to
in
my
district
want
to
know
why
we're
spending
so
much
money
on
the
peninsula.
I
would
imagine
the
folks
from
West.
Ashley
asked
the
same
thing,
and
so
this
peninsula
is
a
wonderful
piece
of
History.
It's
a
wonderful
place
to
visit
eight
million
people
a
year.
A
Think
so
and
I
think
it's
time
to
ask
the
people
that
are
visiting
here
to
help
fund
the
things
that
we're
going
to
need
to
protect
this.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much
Mr.
Thank
you.
AB
Yes,
I'm
not
going
to
be
a
devil
advocate
on
this
one,
but
I
I
understand
my
colleagues
and
you
know
be
a
good
friends,
but
when
they
they'll
always
be
talking
about
West,
Ashley
I,
understand
Wesley
I
see
the
needs
of
West
Ashley,
but
in
school.
What
I
learned,
if
you
don't
get
the
nucleus
right,
everything
else
is
feminine
primary
nucleus
is
not
going
to
get
fixed.
AB
This.
The
peninsula
is
not
straight
yet.
When
we
talk
about
flooding
and
everything
else,
it
was
doing
that
ever
since
I
knew
myself
even
my
parents,
but
it's
still
not
straight
so
Shelby
have
to
do
a
lot
of
things
in
West
Ash,
but
we
still
we're
still
not
having.
We
still
have
not
had
the
peninsula
where,
where
it
started
from
fiction.
AB
So
if
you've
got
a
nucleus,
when
you
say
the
nucleus,
if
a
nucleus
is
not
right,
new
is
manipulous
is
not
correct.
Outside
of
is
not
going
to
be
correct,
it's
not
going
to
get
fixed,
you
know
I,
maybe
maybe
I've
been
to
the
wrong
school
or
something.
But
you
know
this
is
the
way
I
look
at
things,
and
you
know
traveling
around
here.
I
grew
up
here.
This
is
my
home
I
left
here.
AB
I
went
to
New
York
and
came
back
and
all
those
kind
of
things,
but
we
were
flooding
ever
since
I
knew
myself
going
to
school
in
the
blood
and
still
doing
the
same
thing.
My
kids
went
to
school
in
the
blood
because
they
couldn't
stay
home,
but
the
stove
plotting
as
we
talking
about
now.
We
still
need
money
to
be
get
this
peninsula
squared
away,
so
we
were
still
working
in
West
Ashley,
we're
not
saying
we're
not
giving
up
in
the
West
Ashley,
but
we
are
talking
about.
AB
Oh
that's
nasty,
always
best
asking
the
step
child.
No,
it's
not
West
Africa
is
still
going
to
get
some
of
the
things
that
they
need,
but
we
still
have
to
get
necessarily
right,
because
if
we
don't
have
it
right
here,
it's
not
going
to
be
right
over
there.
The
same
way
when
you're
talking
about
different
crime,
you
say:
okay,
we
got
a
good
crime
straight
in
the
peninsula.
AB
If
you
don't
get
a
screen
here.
What's
going
to
spill
over
into
James
Island
spell
over
into
John's
arms
spill
over
into
the
West
Ashley,
so
you
have
to
get
your
you
have
to
get
your
nucleus
squared
away
halfway,
decent,
it's
not
going
to
fix,
be
fixed.
That
is
not
going
to
happen,
have
any
problems
at
all,
but
you
got
to
get
it
straight
away
and
everything
else
going
to
fall
in
place.
AB
You
know
and
see
this
is
where
this,
and
this
is
the
way,
I
look
at
things,
and
this
is
the
way
I
see
it.
You
know
people
might
say.
Oh
God
Mitch
is
spinning
his
head
talking
crazy,
but
this
you
have
to
get
your
nucleus
right,
even
in
your
home
too.
If
you
don't
get
your
home
right
there,
how
are
you
gonna
text,
somebody
else
and
tell
them
how
to
fix
theirs,
so
the
nucleus
had
to
get
fixed
and
we
know
the
West
Ashley
they'll
need
a
problem,
but
before
West
Ashley
was
there.
AB
Where
was
it?
Where
was
the
nucleus
was
right
here,
because
that
was
Charleston
County
before
we
Annex
into
all
these
different
areas,
so
we
have
spread
ourselves
so
far.
We
did
it
nxnx
nxb,
did
it
and
tell
people
we
fixed
it.
We
had
the
problems
right
here
so
now
what
now
it's
coming
back
to
bite
us
and
I'll?
You
know
this
is
what's
happening.
AB
AB
I
just
said
it
last
time
you
need
to
look
at
it
and
if
they
can,
he
can
put
it
in
place.
Maybe
I'll
beat
some
more
money
in
the
hopper,
but
if
you
put
that
there
in
place
just
to
pass
your
budget
and
if
something
happened,
as
the
corporate
right
now
is
escalating
again
and
something
happened
then,
what's
what's
going
to
happen
to
your
budget,
because
that's
not
something
that's
permanent
in
place!
That's
going
to
solve
your
problem!
AB
I!
Don't
want
to
raise
taxes
on
me.
I
pay
enough
taxes.
It
is
now
on
King
Street,
but
this
is
what
I'm
looking
at
I'm
looking
at
something
you
put
something
in
a
place.
That's
going
to
be
stabilized
will
be
permanent
and
if
that's
with
constant
sickness
proposing,
if
we
could
look
at
that
and
that
can
help
us,
we
can
kind
of
eliminate
and
don't
raise
your
taxes
as
much
as
you
have
to
be.
Oh,
you
can
wipe
it
out,
but
you
have
to
pass
a
budget
that
you
know
that's
going
to
withstand.
AB
What's
going
to
come
before
us,
that's
just
the
way.
I
look
at
even
passing,
even
the
federal
budget.
That's
the
way
it's
a
dude
and
federal
budget
the
same,
but
you
couldn't
have
a
stabilized
I.
Don't
want
to
put
something
in
place
that
tomorrow,
but
a
disaster
comes
disaster
comes
tomorrow,
then
boom
it's
all
out
and
you
don't
have
a
budget
anymore.
Then
you
have
to
run
back
to
the
table
say
what
are
we
going
to
do?
AB
That's
all
I'm
saying,
but
I
would
look
at
what
he's
proposing
we'll
ask
the
staff
and
look
at
it
and
see
the
place.
Maybe
if
you
put
that
in
place
and
that
you're
working
out
something-
and
we
get
some
money
from
that,
we
can
probably
eliminate
it
or
even
draw
back
from
it.
The
military
you're
planning
on
raising
that's
all.
K
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
Mayor
and
councilmember
Mitchell's
point.
If
this
was
the
Federal
Government,
we
just
start
running
deficits
and
really
not
care
about
it,
but
state
law
requires
that
this
budget
be
balanced
and
and
as
part
of
that
and
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
what
councilmember,
Sheely
and
councilmember
Greg
also
mentioned.
K
But
you
know
I
I
thought
when
we
talked
about
it
at
Ways
and
Means
that
there
was
a
consensus
around
the
the
table
that
we
would
adopt
some
of
council
member
seekings
is
recommendations,
especially
councilmember
sheely's
Point.
K
You
know
the
transient
parking,
the
hotel
upping
that
fee
and
then
we
would
look
in
June
and
see
where
we
were
and
what,
if
there
needed
to
be
a
millage
increase
at
that
point
to
close
the
gap,
because
our
millage
isn't
due
until
September
and
I
am
also
like
councilmember
Waring
I
do
not
like
to
pick
fights
with
people
who
buy
ink
by
the
barrel.
K
But
you
know
the
the
headline
I
thought
last
week
was
somewhat
misleading.
Given
the
discussion
that
went
around
the
table
about
this
very
topic
that
we
we
would
look
at
the
fee
increases
adopt
those
and
then
look
six
months
down
the
road
and
see
if
there
needed
to
be
a
millage
increase
going
forward
before
we
have
to
report
it.
So
you
know
I,
I
I
would
say
that
you
know
we.
K
We
move
on
adopting
the
fee
increases
as
an
amendment
to
this,
so
that
we
can
get
an
actual
Revenue
projection
in
June
and
see
where
we
are
and
what
we
have
to
actually
report
to
the
county.
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
B
Thank
you
and
I'll
I'll
remind
everyone
just
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
we
had
a
somewhat
similar
situation
and
we've
made
a
commitment
that
if
we
were
to
receive
some
federal
Opera
funding,
we
would
unwind
a
few
Mills
that
were
approved
that
year
and
that's
exactly
what
we
did.
That's
exactly
what
we
did.
So
that
is
possible
councilmember.
Wherein
did
you
want
to
be
her?
Oh
yeah,
council,
member
seeking
yeah,
so
yes,
sir
council,
member
seeking
thank
you,
I
did
recognize
I'd,
be.
N
Quiet
here
tonight,
so
just
in
reflection,
thank
you,
councilmember
schulie,
for
your
comments
and
thinking
about
this.
Just
so
we're
all
clear,
and
it's
not
a
sky
falling
deal
that
if
we
adjust
some
of
these
line
items
on
the
revenue
side
of
the
budget,
we're
not
going
to
blow
up
the
entire
budget.
Nor
are
we
going
to
put
ourselves
in
great
Peril
now.
That
being
said,
if
one
of
the
questions
I've
got
just
for
clarification
and
for
procedural
purposes
and
I
guess,
Ms
Wharton
be
able
to
answer
this,
for
us
is
I.
N
AD
N
F
N
Ever
passed
right
by
a
long
shot
when
the
old
guys
in
the
row
here
first
got
elected
the
budget
of
the
City
of
Charleston.
Remember
I
asked
you,
you
remember
what
it
was
15
10
years
ago,
135
million
we've
doubled,
it
we've
doubled
it.
So
this
is
the
biggest
budget
we've
ever
debated
and,
and
it
is
built
on
a
number
of
things
and
there's
elasticity.
That
was
the
word
that
was
used
last
week
in
the
budget.
N
Ninety
dollars,
120
150.
Just
so
you
know
that
represents
about
six
percent
of
the
properties
in
the
city.
Charles,
the
rest
are
taxed
at
a
higher
rate,
because
they're
worth
more
or
because
they're
on
the
six
percent
exposed
everybody
who
rents
in
the
city
somehow
is
paying
six
percent
tax
increase.
N
N
Again,
it's
not
a
huge
deal
that
we
change
that
and
it's
pretty
solid,
pretty
solid
and
we've
already
built
a
budget
15
on
parking
rep.
So
the
difference
you
know
for
all
that,
for
the
two
out
of
the
three
that
council
member
shealy
mentioned
that
I
mentioned
last
week,
the
transient
parking
that
is
4.8
million
dollars.
That's
almost
that's
almost
the
entire
three
Mills.
By
the
way,
then
you
do
the
hotels
out
of
the
1.5
that
gets
you
to
6.3
Mills.
N
We
can
then
make
some
adjustments
for
five
seven
parking,
which
we
do
for
the
hospitality
industry,
the
5.7
charges.
We
can
probably
give
some
local
discounts
and
we
still
have
got
a
million
point,
1.2
million
dollars
to
work
with
in
there
as
we
go
forward.
So
as
a
matter
of
policy
and
setting
a
budget
going
forward
and
making
sure
that
we
meet
our
obligations
of
the
city,
which
we
need
to
do.
That's
what
we're
here
to
do
all
of
us
Collective
and
no
one's
more
supportive
of
that.
N
But
we
can
do
it
in
a
way
that
doesn't
go
back
to
that
well
and
hit
people
with
property
taxes.
When
we
have
some
Alternatives
that
we
can
monitor
and
watch
as
we
go
forward
and
set
a
budget,
why
wouldn't
we
do
that?
And
the
council?
Member
Greg's
point,
and
it's
one
that
I
agree
with
we're,
going
to
have
to
look
at
alternate
forms
of
revenues
going
forward
because
of
our
capital
budget
needs,
and
it
can't
always
be
a
property
tax
increase.
N
It's
one
of
the
tools
in
the
Arsenal,
but
it
can't
be
the
only
one
and
in
this
instance,
I
do
think
this
time.
It's
not
something
we
absolutely
have
to
do.
If
we
absolutely
had
to
do
it,
it
was
the
only
way
out.
It
was
the
only
way
to
deliver
on
Our
obligation,
I'd
vote
for
it,
but
I,
don't
believe
that
it
is
so
as
I
outlined,
and
it
sounds
to
me
like
there
may
be.
Support
for
this.
N
N
For
the
last
last
week,
we
sat
in
on
the
selection
committee
for
the
new
meter
heads
in
the
city
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
really
revealing
was
the
groups
that
presented
to
us
all
three
explained
very
clearly
how
much
money
we're
leaving
on
the
ground
that
there
are
lots
of
ways
to
enhance
through
technology,
our
revenues
on
the
parking
side
without
doing
a
darn
thing,
just
being
more
efficient
and
using
technology
and
letting
it
work
for
us
which
we
should
be
doing,
and
we
will
be
doing
because
that
committee
is
going
to
bring
forward
a
recommendation.
N
I
think
to
this
Council
in
January.
So
parking
is
an
asset
that
we've
got
that
we
should
manage
just
like
anything
else
and
if
we're
not
managing
it
to
the
best
benefit
of
our
citizens.
We
ought
to
do
that
and
I
think
these
two
somewhat
humble
suggestions
are
good
ways
to
build
this
budget
and
I
am
glad
and
heartened
to
hear
the
debate
around
here
and
you
know
so.
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
a
motion
made
but
I
think
on
the
revenue
side.
I'd
love
to
see
us
give
it
a
try.
B
X
Councilman
seeking
you
know,
I
as
I
think
I
said
at
the
ways
and
means
meeting
the
last
time.
I
think
that
everybody
around
this
table
have
an
opportunity
to
come
up
with
ideas
to
increase
Revenue.
You
don't
have
to
be
a
part
of
an
ad
hoc
committee
or
any
committee.
Okay,
I
think,
just
as
you
made
your
recommendation
on
the
floor
at
the
last
council
meeting,
I
still
say:
that's
something
that
could
have
been
done
a
couple
of
months
ago.
X
X
We
don't
have
to
wait
until
it
comes
up
for
a
vote
and
Mike
I
agree
with
you
that
there
there
are
ways
that
we
may
be
able
to
increase
fees
that
would
offset
some
of
our
costs,
but
in
doing
a
budget
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
speculative
okay,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
pretty
definite,
and
you
know
we
could
see
what
happens
between
now
and
June
and
I.
X
If,
as
we
move
toward
24
and
and
we
follow
up
on
the
recommendations
from
council
member
seekings-
and
we
can,
we
can
start
doing
that
now
really
okay
and
do
that
now
and
as
we
move
toward
24
I,
think
we'd
have
a
much
better
sense
of
whether
or
not
the
dollars
are
there
right
now,
I
think
we're
facing
as
a
country
we're
we're
getting
ready
to
face
some
pretty
tough
times
with
this
virus
going
on,
we
really
are
and
and
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
to
accommodation,
tax,
Hospitality,
tax
parking,
I,
don't
know
just
based
upon
the
current
affairs
of
this
country
and
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
pass
a
a
a
a
a
balanced
budget
of
which
we're
mandated
to
do
I
I
think
that
we
should
look
into
ways
of
increasing
Revenue,
Councilman,
Greg
and
I.
X
X
I,
just
I,
just
don't
like
speculative
budgeting
I
like
to
know
where
the
resources
are
coming
from
and
I
clearly
understand
that
parking
Revenue
has
been
pretty
consistent,
but
it
would
be
great
to
see
how
parking
Revenue
was
during
the
pandemic
and
whether
or
not
it
remained
consistent,
so
I'm
just
throwing
it
on
the
table.
X
You
know
I
agree
with
councilman
seeking
there
is
Anne
Greg
and
I
missed
Sealy,
but
I
I
I
do
think
that
it's
it's
speculative
and
and
another
thing
in
terms
of
of
West
Ashley.
Yes,
we've
got
to
pay
more
attention
to
West
Ashley.
X
We
have
to
pay
attention
to
all
parts
of
the
city
why
the
peninsula,
because
it's
the
crown
jewel
but
for
the
peninsula
nothing
would
exist
in
terms
of
the
kind
of
Tourism.
That's
attracted
Etc,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
going
back
to
council
member
the
nucleus,
and
this
is
where
people
come.
X
This
is
where
they
spend
their
dollars
and
and
that's
not
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
be
expanding.
The
large
majority
of
our
population
is
West
Ashley
and
trust
me
as
Daniel
Island
grow
in
the
next
10
or
15
years,
they're
going
to
be
bigger
than
West,
Ashley,
I
think
I.
Think
so.
I
I'm
saying
office
says
you
know,
I
I,
just
think
that
we
need
to
vote
on
the
budget.
X
X
B
E
You
Mr
Mayor
and
but
what
I'm
about
to
say
may
sound
repetitive
to
what
I've
heard
much
of
y'all
already
talked
about.
Our
obligation,
of
course,
is
to
pass
a
balanced
budget.
We've
got
to
do
that
without
some
level
of
speculation,
I
I
love.
What
councilman
seekinges
has
brought
to
the
table
about
this
and
I
think
what
we
should
do
is
pass
the
rate
increase
or
parking
period.
Let's
do
it
tonight.
E
Property
values
are
constant:
they
don't
go
downward
in
the
fiscal
year.
So
we
know
that
once
we
add
this
millage
to
that
value
of
that
property,
we're
going
to
get
a
set
number,
we
know
what
that
number
is.
So
there's
a
hard
there's,
a
hard
number.
It
doesn't
go
down,
but
we
know
this
because
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time.
E
100
almost
100
of
our
property
taxes
take
care
of
our
Public
Safety
needs
so
just
taking
care
of
the
basic
Services
I'm,
including
storm
water,
not
including
Public,
Utilities
property
taxes,
take
care
of
our
Public
Safety
component,
our
Public
Safety
expenditures
about
all
about
almost
95
percent.
Almost
95
of
our
Public
Safety
is
for
salaries.
E
We
waited
at
least
about
five
percent
for
other
things,
such
as
more
handcuffs
or
more
guns
or
more
apparatus.
The
fire
department
may
need
so.
These
are
really
hard
numbers
and
we
just
approved-
and
we
just
agreed
on
in
increasing
our
sworn
and
non-sworn
personnel,
with
a
14
16
increase
in
in
their
salary.
We
made
a
commitment
to
that
and
we've
got
to
live
out
to
that
commitment.
So
I
think
the
prudent
thing
to
do
tonight
is
to
pass
this
budget
with
the
post.
E
Three
Mill
increase
has
the
rate
increase
that
councilman
musikis
has
brought
to
our
attention
and
then
at
the
appropriate
time.
If
we
can
pull
those
things
back,
we
did
it.
I
think
I
think
it
was
two
years
ago
when
federal
government
money
showed
up.
We
were
able
to
pull
back
and
recall
that
Village
increase
and
did
not
have
a
military
increase
that
year
we
can
do
it
again,
I
hate,
maybe
you
just
word
strongly:
I
hate
problem,
taxes,
I
hate
property
taxes,
because
it
is
a
burden
on
the
person
who
owns
property.
E
Councilman
he's
brought
up
the
point
that
the
small
minority
of
folks
who
get
to
four
percent
benefit
by
residing
here.
It
does
not
include
commercial
property
and
it
does
include
people
who
live
in
Charleston
on
a
part-time
basis
who
can't
claim
their
residents
as
their
primary
resident.
So
it
is
a
burden.
It
really
is
a
burden
if
I
could
have
a
magic
wand
and
eliminate
property
taxes.
I'll.
Do
it
right
now,
if
we
could
do
that,
but
we
can't.
E
Limited
opportunities
also
the
way
that
state
government
is
structured
city
government
as
to
what
our
sources
of
revenue
are
and
councilman
music
is
what
a
good
point
with
this
opportunity:
let's
seize
it,
let's
take
advantage
of
it
and
come
back
and
see
where
we
are
in
a
couple
of
months.
Thank
you.
Mr.
Y
Appel,
thank
you
Mr,
Mayor
and
Amy.
Do
you
mind
if
I
ask
you
a
question
real
quick,
see
guys
you.
F
Y
Call
them
up
first,
and
then
you
ask
the
question,
so
you
don't
have
to
put
directly
on
the
spot.
I
think!
That's
that's
one
way
to
do
it.
You
mentioned
a
minute
ago,
fiscal
policy.
If
we
were
to
pass
a
budget
today
that
relies
entirely
on
the
parking
increases
in
lieu
of
a
millage
increase.
Would
that
have
any
implications
on
our
credit
rating.
AD
I,
don't
know
to
answer
that
I
think
more.
What
Credit
Agencies
are
going
to
be
looking
at.
Is
this
kind
of
wiffy
sort
of
thing
where,
like
oh,
let's
see
we'll
just
put
this
in
here
and
then
look
at
it
later
that
that's
more
that's,
not
a
good,
solid
budget.
You
don't
have
a
a
true
budget
when
you're
doing
that
so
either
like
I
said
the
last
time
either
do
the
Mills
or
do
the
parking.
AD
Y
I
know
you
can't
speak
definitively
for
a
credit
agency
because
you're
not
a
credit
agency,
but
is
it
your
concern
as
the
CFO
for
the
City
of
Charleston
that
passing
a
budget
on
the
backs
of
this
parking
Revenue
increase
in
lieu
of
millage
today
could
be
a
concern
that
the
Credit
Agencies
may
look
at
and
deem
to
be
waffling
I.
Think,
as
you
put
it,
I.
AD
Wouldn't
say
that
I
have
that
concern
right
now.
I
have
other
concerns,
because
you
know
some
of
you
haven't
been
here
when
we
were
before
the
pandemic.
We
were
talking
about
parking
revenues
and
how
the
Surplus
in
parking
was
shrinking
and
our
general
fund
Gap
was
getting
bigger
and
that
the
parking
fund
can't
always
absorb
general
fund.
We
were
very
cognizant
of
that
at
the
time
and
then
the
pandemic
hit,
so
we
haven't
really
looked
at
it.
So
there's
other
issues.
You
know
that
we
have.
AD
We
have
a
lot
of
things
that
we
need
to
do
in
the
city.
We
have
fire
stations,
we
have
to
build
in
cane
Hoy
on
John's
Island.
We
have
100
million
dollar
facility.
We
need
to
build
for
our
Municipal
operations
center
within
three
years.
We
have
to
move
off
of
Milford
there's
a
lot
that
we
need
to
do
and
we
can't
rely
on
parking
to
do
all
of
that.
So,
okay,
thank.
Y
Y
Take
my
my
10
minutes,
although
we
might,
we
might
be
pushing
it.
I
think
Mike
brought
up
fantastic
ideas
about
the
parking
revenue
and
I
think
we
ought
to
and
act
them
the
certainly
the
one
on
Hotel
overnight
fees
is
a
no-brainer
I
think
our
property
taxes
are
I'm.
Sorry,
our
our
our
parking
ticket
fees
are
way
too
low.
I
know
all
about
the
city
of
Folly
Beach
parking
tickets
they've
got
a
very
devious
system
over
there.
Y
Those
are
all
no-brainers
I'm,
a
little
concerned
about
the
impacts,
the
food
and
beverage
workers
overnight.
You
know
issues
things
of
that
nature,
but
I
think
there's
a
way
to
work
through
that
with
some
of
the
things
you
mentioned
so
I'm,
fully
supportive
of
of
boosting
the
revenue
through
parking
fee
adjustments,
but
but
I
also
think
the
prudent
thing
for
us
to
do
is
to
move
forward
with
the
budget
as
presented
this
evening
for
the
reasons
that
I
think
Amy
was
indicating
and
alluding
to.
Y
We
really
want
to
start
from
a
position
from
a
found
from
a
very
strong
foundation
and
if
it
turns
out
that
comes
summertime,
we're
able
to
pull
some
millage
back
like
we
did
a
couple
years
ago
with
the
arpa
funding,
then
then,
by
all
means
we
can
do
that
and
it
would
be
a
great
summertime
benefit
for
for
our
taxpayers.
So
I
think
this
is
not
a
question
of
one
or
the
other.
It's
it's
we
can
do.
We
can
do
both.
Y
Y
Y
We
were
shown
a
slide
during
one
of
our
budget,
ad
hoc
meetings,
of
where
the
City
of
Charleston
currently
ranks
with
respect
to
our
various
departments
with
our
competitors,
and
they
are
our
competitors,
other
governmental
entities,
both
in
the
region
and
around
the
state.
Y
Thank
goodness
we're
already
doing
great
with
our
police
and
fire
we're
already
the
number
one
ranked
City
in
the
in
the
state
when
it
comes
to
police
pay,
we're
number
two
with
fire.
That's
still
still
pretty
good,
but
where
the
real
problem
is,
is
our
non-sworn
positions?
Y
Okay,
we
currently
rank
the
City
of
Charleston
number
one
city
in
the
world
largest
cities
in
the
state
best
city
in
the
state,
we're
12
in
the
state
and
here's
who's
in
front
of
us
when
it
comes
to
non-sworn
when
I
say
non-sworn,
it's
public
service,
sanitation,
it's
people,
picking
up
yard
debris,
it's
people
picking
up
our
trash.
It's
all
those
kind
of
things
and
everything
other
than
police
and
fire
CWS
is
ahead
of
us.
St
Andrews
PSD
is
ahead
of
us.
Town
of
Mount.
Pleasant
is
ahead
of
us
city
in
North.
Y
Charleston
is
ahead
of
us.
The
school
district
is
ahead
of
us.
The
Housing
Authority,
our
own
Housing
Authority,
is
ahead
of
us.
That's
why
we're
not
delivering
the
level
of
service
that
our
constituents
demand
and
are
entitled
to
in
places
like
James
Island
in
places
like
Daniel,
Island
and
elsewhere.
We
need
to
hire
more
folks
in
our
public
service
department.
We
need
to
hire
more
folks
in
our
stormwater
department
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on
so
that's
why
we're
coming
forward
with
a
budget
that's
larger
than
it
was
last
year.
Y
We
need
to
pay
our
people,
so
we
can
maintain
our
first
class
First
Responders
and
our
in
our
non-sworn
positions.
The
pay
increases
that
we're
talking
about
in
this
budget
bring
the
city
of
Charleston's
non-sworn
rank
up
to.
Third
in
the
state.
Okay,
that's
12
to
3.,
that's
a
pretty
good
move
for
the
for
for
a
single
year!
So
that's
why
we're
doing
this?
We're
raising
pay
for
we're
funding
police,
we're,
not
defunding
police,
we're
funding,
police,
we're
funding
fire,
we're
funding
our
public
service
departments,
so
we
can
provide
service
to
to
our
constituents.
Y
Y
2009.
So
this
idea
that
people
in
City
of
Charleston
have
just
been
pummeled
with
property
taxes.
It's
just
not
true.
It's
just
not
true,
and
then
this
argument
about
property
tax
increases.
Being
this
terrible
thing
for
business
and
things
of
that
nature,
the
city
of
North
Charleston,
fantastic
place
to
do
business.
I
know
I'm
doing
some
free
advertising
for
them
right
now,
but
let's
get
let's
call,
let's
give
them
credit
where
credit
is
due.
Y
It's
74.25
for
North
Charleston
60
point
eight
60.8
for
the
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
so
it's
a
14..
They
got
14
more
Mills
on
their
taxpayers
than
we
do
so.
Y
This
idea
that
three
mil
a
three
mil
increase
is
going
to
just
crush,
and
just
you
know
it's
it's
not
good
I'm,
not
here
with
Pom-Pom
celebrating
a
three
mil
increase,
but
let's
put
it
in
perspective
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
and
again
I
hope
that
under
the
seeking's
parking
plan
we
can
roll
back
all
three
of
those
Mills
I.
Think
it's
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
Y
Moving
forward!
I
I,
cannot
stress
enough
and
I
agree
with
everybody.
That's
made
this
comment.
The
City
of
Charleston
is
going
to
need
to
get
creative
and
dare
I,
say
aggressive.
When
it
comes
to
new
Revenue
sources,
the
legislature
passed
what
I
believe
to
be
the
most
significant
expansion
of
local
home
rule,
Authority
and
fiscal
matters.
This
summer
it's
called
Act
236.
Y
Y
But
what
we're
talking
about
right
now,
I'll
give
everyone
a
sneak.
Peek
is
a
way
to
shift
substantial
revenue
for
the
city
onto
the
tourism
industry
and
a
magnitude
that
would
transform
the
city's
budget
and
it's
available
and
authorized
under
act
236.
In
my
opinion,
it's
it's
on
the
legal
Frontier
we're
going
to
need
to
talk
long
and
hard
about
it,
but
this
could
be
a
total
Game
Changer.
It
ain't
something
we're
doing
on
the
floor
right
now.
Y
This
could
be
potentially
done
next
budget
cycle
and
I
look
forward
to
having
those
conversations
with
everybody
in
due
time.
But
let's
pass
the
budget
as
presented.
Let's
raise
the
parking
revenue
and,
let's
see
where
we
are
in
the
summer,
thanks
councilman.
B
Q
Believe
Mr,
Mill,
I'm
gonna,
say
ditto
to
councilmember
Bell.
Let's
pass
the
budget
as
presented
and
then
let's
approve
the
the
parking
revenue
and
let's
move
forward.
F
Q
You
said
it
earlier:
we
did
we
learned
out
of
out
of
covet
with
the
Opera
money
we
passed
it
with
the
millage
increase
and
two
dollar
word
unanimously.
We
and
we
were
able
to
eliminate
the
millage
increase.
We
can
do
the
same
thing
tonight.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Great
great
words.
P
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
keep
hearing
all
about
Revenue.
One
thing
we
have
I've
yet
to
hear
is
spending
I.
Think
spending
is
an
issue
and
that's
why
I
can't
support
this
budget
this
budget
process.
This
was
a
first
for
me.
Seeing
the
way
the
city
you
know
dealt
with
it.
We
were
basically
at
a
Workshop
given
five
mil
increase
three
Mill
increase,
and
that
was
it.
P
So
one
thing
I
just
want
to
continue
on.
We
hear
a
revenue
solution,
but
we
haven't
really
heard
a
whole
lot
of
spending
Solutions
Mr
Mayor.
You
told
me
once
that
we
can,
you
know,
rub
our
head
and
Pat
our
stomach
or
vice
versa.
At
the
same
time,
I
mean
well
that's
sort
of
the
the
indication
you
know
when
we're
balancing
a
budget.
We
have
to
look
at
those
those
issues
and
decide
where
we
want
to
spend
our
city
taxpayer
dollars.
So.
B
B
Okay,
so
councilmember
Gregory
I
think
made
the
motion.
Would
you
like
to
accept
the
amendment
or
we
can
vote
on
it
separately?.
X
K
You
I
had
I
had
originally
offered
the
amendment
that
we
adopt
the
parking
fee
Revenue
as
proposed
by
council
member
seekings.
Oh
you
did
I
did
when
I
was
talking
today
is
ignore
me
day,
which
is
fine,
but
no
I
I
had
made
that.
B
B
Did
we
get
a
second
to
your
amendment?
I,
don't
remember
I.
B
D
C
D
B
We
got
a
second
on
that
and
I'd
like
to
take
a
vote
on
that
Amendment
separately
and
see
if
it
passes
or
fails
to
go
to
the
back
to
the
original
motion.
N
Just
very
briefly,
a
couple
of
comments:
after
everything's
been
around
I,
don't
think
the
sky
is
falling
for
business
and
Charleston
I
didn't
say
that
I
do
think.
There's
some
opportunities.
We
have
here
to
spread
the
pain
across
the
revenue
side
in
a
different
way.
That's
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
the
message.
I've
tried
to
put
out
there.
This
isn't
the
seeking
sparking
fund.
This
has
come.
Do
a
lot
of
hard
work
from
bfrc
who
keep
us
up
to
date,
know!
N
That's
that's
the
suggestion
that
I've
got
I,
think
that's
what
this
amendment
does
and
it'll
work,
I'm,
very
confident,
very
kind,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
doesn't
think
that
we
that
I
think
the
world
is
going
to
come
to
an
end
over
all
this
I.
Don't
I
don't
think
business
is
moving
to
North
Charleston
by
the
way
property
values
in
North.
Charleston
are
about
a
third
of
what
they
are
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
so
that.
J
N
The
revenue
side,
I
think,
if
you
look
at
their
gross
revenues
from
their
property
taxes,
I,
don't
I
doubt
they
are
the
equivalent
of
ours,
but.
N
Issue
so
I
I
believe
that
there's
a
way
in
this
budget
cycle
that
we
have
at
our
hands
to
back
off
the
property
tax
increase
balance
our
budget
not
put
anything
at
risk,
our
employees,
our
AAA
credit
rating,
our
competitiveness,
all
of
those
things,
and
we
ought
to
do
it.
That's
not
the
will
of
this
Council,
that's
fine,
but
that
I
just
want
to
just
make
sure
we
keep
it
on
even
Keel
and
that's
true
to
maximum.
AD
AD
But
with
that
being
said,
if
we
did
that,
we
really
probably
it
takes
three
weeks
to
do
this
in
a
garage
in
terms
of
getting
everything
programmed.
So
that's
probably
about
six
hundred
thousand,
so
we're,
but
we're
still
over
so
I
would
suggest
just
the
the
take
of
the
millage
away
with
parking
to
the
5.169
million
and
not
6.37,
so
it
balances.
C
X
Yeah
mine's
a
question
with
respect
to
parking
during
the
pandemic.
Okay,
how
much
did
our
parking
go
down.
AD
X
B
A
You
Mr
Mayor,
thank
you.
Councilman
Gregory,
we're
already
depending
a
huge
amount
of
our
budget
on
parking.
It's
already
baked
in
the
budget.
15
of
the
revenue
coming
into
the
city
is
from
parking
so
increasing
that
another
three
percent
is
what
we're
talking
about
doing
it
in
our
house.
If
we
have
less
money
coming
in,
we
have
to
spend
less
money
and.
C
A
If
there
is
another
pandemic
or
emergency
or
disaster
in
this
city
that
befalls
us,
we
are
going
to
have
to
tighten
the
purse
string
some
way,
whether
it
be
through
parking,
whether
it
be
through
we're
gonna,
have
to
spend
less
money.
That's
what
we
ask
that's
what
every
every
family
in
America
has
to
do.
If
less
money
comes
in,
we
would
have
to
do
the
same
thing.
J
A
B
Me
all
right,
thank
you.
Very
much.
I
have
not
made
a
comment
at
all.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
council
member
Pell
said
that
the
primary
reason
for
this
whole
budget
discussion
this
year
was
about
compensation
for
our
employees
and
providing
those
services
and
I
just
feel
strongly
that
we
need
to
be
sure
it's
there
to
make
that
happen.
We
can't
cut
back
on
what
we're
proposing
to
pay
our
employees
that's
important.
We
did
come
up
with
Alternatives
in
our
long
discussions
to
to
fund
this
budget
or
to
balance
this
budget.
B
This
year
we
had
a
long
discussion
about
the
local
option,
sales
tax
and
by
the
way
when
tourists
come
to
town
and
they
spend
money
and
they
pay
sales
tax.
They
do
contribute
that
way
as
well.
It's
another
way
they
contribute
and
council
member
Greg.
You
made
an
excellent
point
when
we
gave
first
reading
that
there
is
an
equity
issue
here
between
the
two
counties
that
we
need
to
address
and
frankly,
if
we
use
the
ls
Los
T,
that
would
help
to
reduce
that
disparity.
That's
a
discussion
for
next
year.
I
understand
it.
B
I
understand
that
for
next
year,
but
what
we
propose
is
a
reliable
budget
that
accomplishes
the
primary
reason
that
we've
had
this
extended
discussion
all
year,
long
about
compensating
our
employees.
It's
that
important
and
I'm
all
for
adjusting
our
parking
fees
reasonably
and
putting
as
much
on
it
as
visitors
as
we
can
don't
forget,
though,
that
local
Jews
are
parking
garages
and
our
meters
as
well.
Our
local
citizens
and
employees
use
those
parking
garages
too.
B
So
we
we
have
to
be
careful
and
the
the
other
side
of
the
parking
revenue
is
that
you
know
there
are
different
ways
to
tweak
getting
some
extra
Revenue
out
of
parking.
B
You
know
we
we've
just
come
out
of
a
recovery
from
covid
for
a
lot
of
businesses
downtown,
which
is
where
most
of
our
parking
revenues
are
generated.
We
don't
have
parking
meters,
West
Ashley,
on
Daniel
Islands.
It's
all
all
the
meters
are
downtown.
Isn't
that
correct,
so
there
might
be
a
few
somewhere
else,
but
all
of
them
on
the
peninsula
and
council
member
seekings
mentioned
we're
about
to
come
forward
with
to
approve
a
contract
to
replace
our
meters
with
all
due
respect.
I
think
that's
the
appropriate
time
to
change.
B
The
rapes
is
when
we
put
the
new
meters
in
you,
know
and
add
the
technology,
but
I
will
tell
you.
Council,
member
seekings
I
was
at
a
Hospitality
meeting
of
a
restaurant
and
hotel
owners.
I
asked
that
specific
question.
How
many
would
like
to
see
us
start
in
14
after
six
o'clock
again,
and
you
know
how
many
people
raise
their
hands,
they
were
about
50
in
the
room.
C
D
AB
C
C
D
B
B
K
A
point
of
clarification
because
we
haven't
formally
adopted
the
parking
increases
in
this
budget
that
we
would
be
approving
I
would
ask
to
offer
the
amendment
that
I
originally
had,
which
is
that
we
incorporate
the
fee,
increases
that
councilman
were
seekings
had
proposed
into
the
budget.
Understanding
that
we
are
adopting
the
millage
increase
as
part
of
adopting
the
budget
can.
N
N
N
K
So
then
may
I
offer
that
in
January,
when
the
new
fiscal
year
comes
into
effect,
that
we
direct
staff
to
come
to
us
with
a
parking
fee
increase
that
we
can
adopt
during
the
fiscal
year
as
we
had
talked
about,
so
that
we
can
potentially
roll
back.
The
millage
should
that
occur.
T
B
B
Traffic
and
the
parking
ticket
fees
as
well,
and-
and
we
if
we
approve
those
in
January,
we
can
make
efforts
to
go
ahead
and
adjust
our
parking
rates
next
year.
Can
we
not.
AD
Yes,
we
we
had
talked
about
doing
that.
All
along
is
looking
at
all
of
our
fees,
starting
in
January,
so
we've
been
having
this
conversation
for
at
least
six
months
now
about
that,
but
again
rolling
back
and
deciding
we're
just
back
to
what
I
just
said
before
about
fiscal
policy
but
I'll
stop
there.
B
I'll
stop
there.
Would
you.
B
B
Else,
remember:
Brady.
Do
you
want
to
withdrawal
the
motion,
so
the
motion
now
on
the
floor
is
items
one
through
four
to
approve
the
budget
and
submitted
all
in
favor.
Please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,.
D
Councilmember
Sacrament
is
absent:
council
member
Mitchell,
councilmember,
Mitchell
votes,
I
councilmember,
Brady,
Bates
eye
councilmember
Gregory
councilmember
Gregory,
bezai,
councilmember,
Waring,
councilmember,
Waring
votes,
aye,
council
member
seeking
they.
M
B
B
AB
B
Approval
five
for
seven
five:
through
seven,
we
got
the
the
lease
and
a
couple
annexations
any
discussion
on
those
three
hearing.
None
all
in
favor,
say
aye
any
opposey
eyes
have
it
now
for
third
reading
and
ratification
of
five
six
and
seven.
We
had
a
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
I
will,
and
next
we
have
a
bill
up
from
first
reading
and
I'm,
going
to
start
signing
some
things.
B
Someone
from
legal
maybe
want
to
explain,
builds
up
for
first
reading.
K
I
we
we
can
discuss
that.
We
would
love
to
have
legal
talk
about
this
one
when
it
is
up
for
second
reading
here
in
January.
That
sounds
like
a
great
thing
for
legal
to
do
when
that
happens
and
I
hope.
Everyone
has
a
happy
holidays,
a
merry
Christmas
happy
Hanukkah,
Happy,
Kwanzaa
everything
that
everybody
celebrates,
and
hopefully
we
will
see
each
other
in
the
new
year.
K
And
as
long
as
mayor,
Chapman,
eventually
finished,
assigning
I
would
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
okay.
F
B
Any
more
discussion
about
Bill
N1
hearing,
none
all
in
favorably,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Our
next
regular
meeting
will
be
in
2023
on
January
10th,
with
a
workshop
playing
later
in
the
month.
I
wish
everyone
again
a
happy
happy
holiday.
God
bless
you
all.
Thanks.