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Description
Human Affairs and Racial Conciliation Commission 4/13/2023
A
Thank
you.
We
have
our
agenda
I'd
like
to
have
some
flexibility,
one
of
our
public
comments
or
has
not
yet
arrived.
So,
let's
move
that
down
and
call
that
a
presentation
rather
than
a
public
comment
and
we'll
keep
it
within
the
balance
of
the
time
that
we
had
originally
scheduled
for
that
any
of
the
Commissioners
know
of
any
recommendation
or
action
motion
for
Action.
That
is
coming
out
of
anything
that
you've
done
in
subcommitting.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know.
A
number
of
folks
may
have
to
leave
early
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
time
to
to
get
that
and
out
of
respect
for
the
hard
work
that
Joe
Edison's
doing
from
the
police
department.
We
try
and
get
her
out
of
here
as
soon
as
possible,
so
she
can
get
home
and
do
what
she's
got
to
do.
B
A
I
have
just
to
summarize
what
it
does
the
communication.
Does
it
summarize
the
discussions
and
presentations
made
at
their
March
20th
action?
We
say
quality
of
my
action
where
they're
s,
members
of
city,
council
and
administration,
to
commit
to
certain
activities
amongst
those
activities
worth
follow-up
on
racial
bias.
Audit
meetings
with
the
community
and
specifically
for
us
there
is
a
question,
would
Park
would
be
interested
in
playing
a
role
in
scheduling
and
facilitating
meetings.
A
With
the
note
with
the
public
around
those
questions
there
they've
suggested
that
they
want
to
hold
us
condominities,
so
they're
asking
for
our
involvement
at
some
at
some
level
and,
in
addition,
and
and
to
also
at
least
monitor
the
discussions
about
the
meetings
that
the
mayor.
Excuse
me,
the
police
chief
committed
to
I
think
every
six
months
meeting
with
Asian
publicly
just
wants
us
to
monitor
that
and
be
aware
of
that,
so
that
that's
the
basic
request
from
from
that
community
that
Public
Communication.
A
He's
he's
he's
been
he's
back
back
up
in
a
bit
had
a
couple
of
meetings
that
he
probably
shouldn't
have
been
in,
but
he's
he's
back
in
the
south.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
you
know
other
comments
from
from
the
public.
Let's
move
on
to
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
March
9th
meeting.
Are
there
any
questions?
Suggestions,
if
not
a
motion
to
adopt
or
accept,
is
in
order
to
move
there's.
A
second
moved
by
Adam
was
moved
by
Stephen
second,
by
Adam,
further
discussion.
D
D
D
G
E
Thank
you.
So
a
couple
of
updates
we
have
our
Equity
Workshop
is
going
to
happen.
April
29th
and
that's
going
to
be
here
in
council
chambers,
from
9
to
10,
30.
I.
Ask
that
you
please
accept
your
invites,
so
that
I
can
know
who
all
will
be
attending.
If
you
haven't
done
it
so
yet,
and
then
we
have
Equity
core
Workshop.
E
So
we
want
to
do
a
climate
check
first
with
the
surveys,
because
we
don't
want
the
employees
to
be
survey
fatigue,
so
we're
going
to
do
a
climate
check
and
then
we're
going
to
establish
the
city-wise
standards
and
guidelines
for
Dei
and
research
other
and
research
other
government
entities
that
have
a
Dei
strategic
plan.
We
know
that
we
also
are
a
member
of
gear,
so
gear
gives
a
lot
of
resources
as
well.
A
E
Yes,
so
a
couple
of
things
that
we
are
working
on
with
the
Dei
plan,
so
a
couple
of
things
we
are
working
on
with
the
Dei
plan
is
we
have
to
we
most
of
the
concerns.
Were
the
police
and
fire
have
a
step
process
in
with
when
it
comes
to
Promotions
and
so
non-sworn
do
not
so
looking
at
a
career
pathway
is
another
that's
incorporated
into
that
plan,
but
Park
will
be
notified
and
hark
will
be
a
part
of
it.
A
B
B
H
E
No,
no
I
didn't
say:
I
wanted
to
do
it.
I
didn't
want
to
do
a
survey
because
it
would
drive
them
crazy.
What
we're
doing
is
doing
a
climate
check,
but
we
don't
want
to
do
our
survey
when
the
city-wide
survey
is
coming
out,
because
that's
what
I
meant
by
survey
fatigue
so
we're
looking
at.
When
does
the
city
provide?
You
know
their
portion
and
when
we
would
provide
our
abortion.
E
A
Again,
I
would
ask
the
folks
who
are
on
the
internal
Review
Committee
to
be
monitoring
that
and
in
their
report
kind
of
make
an
observation
about
what's
happening,
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
or
what
we
might
suggest
the
timing
just
to
amplify
it.
If
the
concerns
raised
by
Adrian
about
survey
fatigue
is
not
Amplified
or
understood,
you
know.
Sometimes
people
in
one
Department,
you
know
are
driving
stuff
and
other
folks
are
not
paying
attention.
I
A
Might
be
an
observation
that
might
be
helpful
right
to
to
make
things
move
more,
more
smoother,
okay,
let's,
if
we
could
before
we
talk
about
the
recommendation
grid
presentation,
because
I
anticipate
that
being
a
lively,
eventually
well
lengthy
conversation.
Can
we
ask
Jillian
now
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
activities
in
the
police
department?
J
J
Hopefully
you
all
have
received
a
copy
of
the
slides
and
also
have
a
link
to
the
YouTube
presentation
and
I
would
certainly
encourage
you
all
to
review
the
slides
with
the
YouTube
presentation,
because
there's
a
lot
of
context,
a
lot
of
discussion,
a
valuable
discussion
that
we
had
with
the
attendees
and
also
my
colleagues
Captain
Bruder
and
chief
Reynolds,
who
were
there
to
present
with
me.
So
basically
what
we.
J
If
you,
you
know,
you
have
insomnia
or
you
know
you
want
to
dive
deep
into
the
literature
I'm
happy
to
provide
those
and
beyond
that
we
talked
about
why
a
lot
of
the
times
it's
challenging
in
this
area,
because
disparity
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
there's
bias
and
the
analysis
that
we
performed
at
this
stage
can't
confirm
or
deny
that
there's
bias
in
practice.
But
it's
something
that
obviously
we
want
to
dig
deeper
into
when
disparity
exists.
We
also
looked
at
three
different
points
or
practices
of
police.
We
looked
at
some
very
high
level.
J
Aggregate
data
on
traffic
stops,
searches
following
traffic
stops
and
then
use
of
force.
We
were
able
to
do
preliminary
benchmarking
on
traffic
stops
and
searches
following
traffic
stops,
and
we
need
to
do
some
more
data
analysis
to
better
understand
the
context
in
which
use
of
force
is
used
because,
as
we
found
there's
a
variety
of
different
contexts
when
offices
are
reporting
use
of
force
and
use
of
force
at
the
Charleston
Police
Department
is
very
comprehensive,
they're
very
rigorous
requirements
for
when
they
have
to
report
use
of
force
documentation
and
beyond
that.
J
We
hope
that
what
just
diving
into
these
data
and
starting
to
talk
to
tell
our
story
about
what
we're
seeing
and
you
know
what
we've,
what
we
think
might
be
happening
and
having
those
discussions
with
outside
parties
to
get
their
insight
and
intelligence
around.
You
know
what
we
could
potentially
do
to
address
them
and
the
responses
to
disparities
that
we
find
might
not
be
relegated
to
the
police.
We
may
have
to
go
broader
and
look
at
Community
level
impacts
on
these
outcomes
that
we
might
be
able
to
affect
from
other
systems.
J
So
this
is
the
start
of
a
conversation.
It's
one
that
we
hope
to
continue
to
have,
and
you
know,
provide
regular
updates
and
we
would
really
like
to
build
out
our
Data
Systems
to
better
examine
these
on
a
regular
automated
basis.
So
we
could
produce
reports
for
the
public.
So
basically
that
was
the
the
summary
of
the
presentation
and
I'll
move
from
the
presentation.
Just
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
external
review
and
assessment,
because
that's
linked
with
some
of
our
next
steps.
J
J
Expert
review,
where
outside
parties
will
also
look
at
the
same
information
and
because
they
have
great
knowledge
about
the
types
of
best
practices
in
all
the
different
areas.
They
can
advise
the
assessors
on
what
the
recommendation
should
be
moving
forward.
The
third
part
is
a
community
engagement
piece
and
that's
one
that
we're
hoping
that
everyone
in
the
community,
including
yourselves,
can
help
us
drum
up
interest
for
that
component.
J
Public
and
there'll
be
opportunities
for
public
engagement
and
just
I'll
just
mention
that
next,
this
Tuesday
at
6
PM
the
citizens
police
advisory
Council,
will
be
hosting
the
era
team.
For
a
conversation
about
the
study.
They'll
talk
through
all
the
different
components,
the
schedule
that's
being
developed
and
then
CPAC
is
really
interested
in
getting
involved
in
helping.
So
that
will
be
publicly
live
streamed.
J
The
information
is
available
and
if
you
need
me
to
provide
that
for
you,
I
can
do
so,
but
that's
another
opportunity
for
you
all
to
become
engaged
and
I
believe
that
the
researchers
are
also
planning
another
Forum
to
talk
about
the
study
with
leaders
from
different
neighbors
neighborhood
associations,
and
that
is
going
to
be
scheduled
in
the
near
future.
So
and
that
concludes
my
update
but
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
J
I
J
That's
a
great
question:
I
mean
that
came
up
in
discussions
around
the
approval
of
the
assessment,
so
the
assessors
provided
basically
a
list
of
people
that
they,
it
was
a
short
list,
but
they
selected
a
couple
subject
matter
experts
at
the
time
to
weigh
in
on
the
topics.
One
of
them
is
Dr,
Kyle,
McLean
from
Clemson
and
then
Jeff
Alpert
is
also
going
to
be
helping
assess
some
of
the
use
of
force
areas
and
he's
considered
an
expert
in
that
field.
J
And
since,
given
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
the
city
council
hearings,
I
know
that
Dr
kale
has
been
hard
at
work.
Onboarding
an
additional
Community
leader
within
Charleston,
diverse
Community
leader
that
has
ties
to
everyone
here
and
knows
the
area
very
well
knows
the
landscape
and
I
know
that
there'll
be
an
announcement
regarding
that
part
of
the
evaluation
soon.
So
there
will
be
some
additional
diversification
in
terms
of
resultation
with
regard
to
the
areas
and
it
will
be
a
diverse
individual.
D
B
F
J
A
H
H
But
with
each
use
of
force
report
that
comes
in
is
there
some
system
of
saying?
Like
you
know,
okay,
this
is
an
acceptable
use
of
force
legally,
but
maybe
CPD
is
not
thrilled
with
that
and
using
that,
as
as
some
sort
of
training
going
forward,
is
there
some
system
of
of
keeping
track
of
those
type
of
situations?
H
That
just
seems
to
me,
like
there's
a
there's,
a
very
gray
area
of
just
use
of
force
that
you
know
maybe
was
preventable
if
we,
if
we,
you
know
with
hindsight,
being
2020
and
not
necessarily
that
the
officer
should
be
punished
for
that
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
but
we
can
just
use
it
as
a
as
a
learning
tactic
to
say
you
know,
maybe
maybe
in
the
future.
This
is
how
you
could
have
de-escalated
that
or
something
like
that.
Yeah.
J
That's
a
great
question
and
my
understanding
is
that
all
uses
of
force
are
reviewed
and
officers
are
expected
to
have
their
body
cams
active
whenever
they
engage
with
the
public
and
beyond
that.
There
is
the
expectation
that
there
are
random
reviews
of
body,
cam,
camera
footage
and
I.
Believe
I
would
have
to
defer
to
the
Professional
Standards
division.
J
But
I
think
that
the
de-escalation
really
does
help.
Because
out
of
the
I
think
in
the
presentation.
We
estimate
that
there's
over
260
000
police
citizen
interactions
in
a
calendar
year
and
there
were
only
404
citizens
that
were
reported
as
being
is
having
Force
used
against
them,
but
you're
right
there
is,
they
do
take
use
of
four
seriously.
There
is
a
procedure
and
process
to
review
every
instance.
J
Absolutely
sure
so
it's
it's
the
we
hella.
We
decided
to
have
a
special
citizens
police
advisory
council
meeting.
Those
meetings
are
currently
virtual,
so
there
is
a
zoom
link
that
we
provide
publicly
that's
announced
by
the
city.
If
you're
interested,
you
know,
you
can
definitely
talk
to
Adrian
and
I
can
provide
that
for
you,
so
you
can
listen
in
and
we
we
encourage
that
because
the
more
people
that
know
about
what
we're
doing
and
why
we're
doing
it
and
be
able
to
provide
feedback
the
better
so
we'll
make
sure
you
get
that.
A
There
isn't
at
least
one
other
item
I
think
that
is
relevant
and
I
want
to
point
out
to
the
members
of
the
the
commission
that
the
follow-up
on
the
Richard
bias
ordered
the
third
party
assessment
was
one
of
the
recommendations,
so
this
is
an
example
of
Action
Moving
Forward,
the
the
question
becomes,
you
know,
so
you
check
the
box
that
the
assessment
is
done.
What
is
their
follow-up
right
and
we
may
want
to
continue
to
be
observant
about
that
situation
and
also
a
question
of
when
I
testified
before
Council.
A
So
if
we
have
that
discussion
later
on
and
if
there's
some
ideas-
and
we
can-
we
can
figure
that
out,
just
as
we
did
today
in
terms,
we
need
to
slightly
amend
the
agenda
to
make
sure
that
the
questions
that
we
want
to
ask
get
asked
appropriately,
because
this
is
an
effort
to
build
a
community
engagement
kind
of
thing,
and
since
we
have
a
concern
about
Community
being
involved,
CPAC
hasn't
a
concern
if
we
can
get
on
the
same
page.
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful.
A
The
other
thing
at
the
city
council
meeting
there
was
an
application
approved
to
the
U.S
Conference
of
Mayors
for
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
resources
to
assist
in
building
capacity
in
this
area
that
analysis
and
specifically
the
product
U.S
Conference
of
Mayors.
It
comes
from
their
racial
policing.
A
So
this
is
something
else.
Should
we
be
successful
in
getting
those
hours?
It's
interesting
to
me,
though,
that
we've
identified
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
work
to
be
done
in
terms
of
material
acquisition,
Consulting
work
and
training
for
the
Department.
In
order
to
perhaps
build
on
the
work,
that's
already
been
done.
A
Identified
the
opportunity-
yes,
maybe
others
in
the
city
in
the
city
family
needs
to
look
at
that,
and
if
we
need
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
build
on
this,
this
capacity,
either
internal
resources,
external
resources
need
to
be
looked
at.
So
again,
that's
something
I
think
we
should
consider
following
through,
but
yeah
thanks.
Thank.
J
Well,
so
the
community
meetings,
the
I'll
presume
you
mean
the
forums
where
people
the
community
will
gather
that
will
be
a
little
bit
later.
I
know
that
the
specifically
Dr
kale
was
interested
in
onboarding,
the
consultant
that
he
is
has
been
seeking,
and
you
know
we'll
we'll
be
speaking
about
publicly
soon
to
be
able
to
weigh
in
on
that.
J
F
J
So
that
was
an
opportunity
that
came
at
us
very
recently
so
we're.
Fortunately,
the
application
is
not
that
arduous.
The
application
deadline
is
the
21st
of
this
month
and
I.
Don't
know
the
timeline
for
their
decisions,
but
given
the
concise
nature
of
the
application,
although
it
is
competitive
and
it's
Nationwide
we're
hoping
we're
hoping
to
hear
soon,
but
that's
another
update
that,
if
I
receive
information
after
we
apply
about
when
a
decision
would
be
likely,
I
can
pass
that
along
but
yeah.
J
A
Yeah
other
questions
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much,
okay
have
a
good
evening,
so
I
right
now
to
turn
to
the
discussion
of
the
presentation
of
recommendations.
Greg
you'll
know
that
our
last
meeting
Jason
indicated
that,
while
we
recommended
to
the
city
council
that
they
take
the
various
subcommittee's
take
up
the
recommendations
from
the
special
Commission
report.
We
did
not
present
them
with
a
document
that
could
be
used,
so
they
could
look
at
what
was
being
developed.
A
So
what
Adrian
has
done
is
develop
a
spreadsheet
and
she
can
walk
us
through
that.
What
what
it
does
identify
as
far
as
I
would
call
it
at
Park
SC
EIC
recommendations.
So
folks
are
clear
that
they
came
from
some
place:
okay
and
then
what
those
strategies
are
the
city
Department
that
would
be
responsible
for
taking
care,
doing
the
work
and
then
there's
a
a
oversight
situation
in
all
these
situations.
A
In
each
recommendation
in
each
of
the
three
areas,
our
responsibility
is
to
send
it
to
a
city
council
standing
committee,
and
if
you
look
at
the
drafts,
all
the
address
don't
have
the
standing
committees
they
may
have
the
mayor
or
some
other
other
group.
We
would
need
to
add
the
appropriate
Sandy
committee
and
for
criminal
justice.
It
is
Public
Safety
for
the
economic,
empowerment
and
the
housing
and
Mobility
it's
a
community
development
committee.
A
So
that's
not
a
heavy
lift
in
terms
of
you
know,
fixing
fixing
that,
but
in
terms
of
you
had
it
I
know
you
received
it.
Probably
today
have
you
had
a
chance
any
comments
about
suggested
changes,
particularly
from
the
members
of
council.
You
know,
since
it's
coming
to
your
colleagues,
you
know:
what
can
we
do
to
make
it
more
user
friendly
for
you
guys.
F
A
All
recommendation
May
in
February
in
these
three
areas
before
all
the
recommendations
to
be
moved
forward
to
the
city
council
standing
committees.
This
is
designed
to
be
the
document
that
we
would
set
forward.
There
may
be
by
virtue,
for
example,
but
the
things
that
Jillian
shared
with
us.
In
the
comments
section
we
may
say,
we
already
know
that
the
contract
is
in
that
etc,
etc.
B
E
E
K
Hi
yeah
I
I
wanted
to
raise
the
issue
because
one
of
the
first
things
I
noticed
when
I
read
over
the
spreadsheet
and
Jerry
just
mentioned
this.
You
know
he
said
these
were
the
commission
recommendations
and
you
know
the
original
document
had
heart
recommendations
or
yeah
heart
at
the
top.
Let's
see
if
you
can
go
back
to
the
the
top
Adrian
so
I,
you
know
for
me,
these
were
the
commission
recommendations
and
that's
how
they
should
be
labeled.
K
Otherwise,
you
know
I
would
think
we
would
want
to
have
discussions
and
say:
okay,
how
would
we
label
the
recommendation?
You
know
so
for
me
again.
The
recommendations
are
the
ones
that
we're
considering,
which
came
from
the
special
commission
and
my
view
is
that's
how
it
should
be
labeled.
That's
the
special
commission
recommendations.
A
Any
of
the
comment
I
I
would
agree
with
that
for
clarification
letter
the
transmittal
memo
would
be
here
are
the
the
pockets
review
and
per
our
report
from
February,
whatever
all
right.
Here's
a
document
that
allows
you
to
track
this
and
we've
updated
it
with
some
some
comments
and
we're
asking
that
the
appropriate
standing
committee
take
up
the
work
I
mean
that
okay.
F
Sure
so,
based
on
what
what
we
all
just
said
right
now,
does
that
mean
that
anything
that
isn't
in
this
document,
going
to
standing
committees
has
been
left
behind
by
hark?
Are
we
are
we
eliminating
some
of
the
things
that
were
part
of
the
special
commission
recommendations,
the
125
recommendations
that,
as
I
recall,.
A
F
We
talked
more
specifically
about
how
to
use
current
events
in
the
city
that
would
take
advantage
of
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
that
were
that
were
put
forward
by
the
special
commission,
and
you
know
what
I'm
thinking
of
is
going
to
be
in
front
of
us
tonight
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
You
know
how
to
how
to
take
advantage
of
Union
peers
Redevelopment
and
put
that
to
the
to
the
test
of
how
it
moves
the
economic
empowerment
of
African-American
businesses
forward.
F
F
F
C
A
Stroke
co-chairman
background,
all
right
was
urging
that
we
get
something
forward
or
something
forward.
If
this
is
if
this,
if
there
needs
to
be
additional
things
done
with
this,
let's
identify
what
what
they
might
be
if
it's
a
question
of
making
notations
in
terms
of
practice
priorities
or
in
others
such
as
Carol,
if
the
Union
Pier,
if
the
low
line
are
things
that
we
think
are
high,
priority,
could
put
those
in
the
notes.
A
Okay,
in
terms
of
reflecting
what
we
think
should
move
more
quickly
and
then
again,
we
can
take
advantage
of
the
fact
that
we've
got
City
members
of
city
council
and
they
may
inform
our
notes
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
like
say
this
right,
or
this
is
what's
happening
again.
You
know
point
out,
for
example,
monitoring
the
city
council
agendas.
There
were
several
items:
okay
on
the
agenda
that
coincide
with
our
our
discussion.
That
can
inform
well
they've
moved
forward.
So
what
do
we
think
is
the
next
set
you
know?
G
G
A
A
One
is
one
of
the
discussions
have
been
for
us
to
identify
those
of
you
who
are
appointed
by
Council
people,
what
committee
they
sit
on
all
right
and
for
you
to
be
the
nudge
follow-up
communication
person
around
around
that
particular
item
to
make
sure
that
your
council
person
is
aware
and
asking
for
the
champion
and
if
there's
an
indication
that
you
need
some
additional
assistance
or
input
from
other
Commissioners
right
to.
Let
us
know
all
right,
and
we
could
do
that,
but
we're
trying
to
we're
still
trying
to
figure
that
out.
A
F
I
think
that
Adam's
on
to
something-
and
it's
occurred
to
me-
there's
nothing
in
you
know
what
happened
on
the
special
commission
side
of
things,
because
there
was
no
heart.
One
of
their
recommendations
was
to
create
a
heart
for
the
city
on
a
permanent
basis.
So
thankfully
that's
happened,
but
we
don't
have
any
recommendations
about
Park,
ongoing
functions.
I
think
it'll
be
very
difficult
to
take
apart
each
one
of
the
topical.
F
F
Maybe
we
should
each
have
the
layers
on
that
we're
assigned
to,
but
there's
some
sort
of
oversight,
not
that
we
can
make
decisions
as
hard,
but
that
we
can
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
decision
makers
on
an
ongoing
way
that
really
in
my
head
would
be
one
of
the
most.
You
know
helpful
and
Premier
functions
that
heart
can
perform
for
the
city
as
as
we
go
forward.
So
I
would
like
to
make
that
one,
a
recommendation
section
that
you
know
doesn't
exist
right
this
minute.
A
So,
are
you
suggesting?
How
would
you
word
that
in
turn,
is
that
a
piece
of
work
that
we
need
to
have
more
conversation
about
right
and
then
communicate?
You
know
have
agreement
amongst
ourselves
all
right
and
then
communicate
that
to
counsel
if
it
is
outside
of
our
existing
Authority
or
just
how
would
you
propose
to
do
that?
Marie.
L
L
Don't
yes,
I
can
say
that
I'm
in
a
unique
position,
because
I
have
been
on
a
city
council,
but
not
really,
because
obviously
all
of
us
have
relationships
with
council
members
or
we
would
not
be
sitting
in
this
room
and
I
don't
care,
even
if
you
don't
have
an
interpersonal
connection
with
a
council
member
they're,
still
your
council
member
and
you
can
reach
out
to
them.
So
if
you
see
something
that
kind
of
piques
your
interest
or
that
you're
curious
about
you
notice
things,
you
have
conversations
I,
don't
think
there
needs
to
be
this.
L
H
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
would
just
say:
let's
get
let's
get
through
this
process.
First
I
mean
let's.
This
is
our
initial
charge
by
no
means
the
the
end
of
the
conversation,
and
then
you
know,
I
generally
view
the
position
of
this
commission
or
really
any
commission
to
sort
of
lead
on
items
as
opposed
to
being
reactive
to
what's
already
on
our
agendas.
H
I
mean,
what's
what's
already
on.
Our
agendas
have
gone
through
staff
and
they're
now
being
vetted
by
the
council
members,
and
if
we
want
to
send
it
to
a
commission,
we'll
we'll
do
that,
but
I
I
would
think
that
I
mean
we
could
still
mine
the
special
commissions
report
or
any
report
that
we
want
to
mine
for
additional
recommendations
to
work
on
on
our
own.
But
we
should
get
through
this
process
and
I
do
think.
Some
prioritization
of
this
would
be
helpful
and
it's
good.
G
Mike
I
I,
agree,
I
think
just
keep
it
simple.
I
mean
the
whole
idea
here
is
come
up
with
a
list
of
priorities,
send
it
on
to
the
standing
committee
it'll
get
through
the
standing
committee.
We
have
a
very
capable
heart
manager,
who
also
holds
other
roles
in
the
city,
who
can
Shepherd
and
keep
an
eye
on
all
that
and
report
back
then,
if,
whatever
the
action
item
is
and
its
level
of
importance
and
interest
to
you,
it'll
come
through
a
committee
and
It
ultimately
end
up
in
front
of
a
city,
council
and
there'll.
G
Be
public
comment
on
it.
So
I
think
there's
plenty
of
things
to
do
without
putting
another
layer
of
review
on
it,
because
you're
just
going
to
put
more
bureaucracy
on
top
of
it,
and
the
idea
is
to
actually
get
some
things
going
and
I
know.
That's
what
you
Mr
co-chair
and
Jason's
ideas.
I.
Think
streamlining
the
process
rather
than
adding
layers
to
the
process
is
the
right
way
to
go
yeah
and
by
the
way.
G
Just
so,
you
all
know
as
a
matter
of
procedure,
we
as
city
council
members,
don't
see
agendas
until
the
Wednesday
night
before
the
Tuesday.
We
don't
get
two
or
three
or
four
weeks
in
advance
notice.
It
is
a
common
refrain
of
agitation
among
council
members,
because
a
lot
of
what
we
do,
a
lot
of
we
see
comes
up
quickly.
You
get
on
a
Wednesday
night,
you
get
a
week
in
between
and
then
you're
in
the
mix,
Monday
in
committee
meetings
and
Tuesdays.
H
If
I
could
just
just
real
quickly
add
the
bottleneck
here
will
be
Adrian's
time
right
because
you
know
what
what
will
happen
is
one
of
these
things
will
come
to
a
committee
and
we'll
say:
Okay
Adrian
go.
You
know
Workshop,
that
with
legal
and
then
you
know
come
come
back
to
us
with
something
you
know
specific
to
consider,
and
you
know
she
just
does
not
have
a
limited
time,
and
nor
do
we
want
her
working
a
gazillion
hours
a
week.
So.
G
One
other
comment:
I'd
make
really
quickly.
Mr
chairman
I've
got
to
go
is
at
our
committees
as
opposed
to
city
council.
We
do
not
take
public
comment,
and
so,
unless
something
specifically
on
an
agenda
it
just
comes
through.
The
committee
process
adds
a
working
session
for
that
committee
and
we
can
put
staff
on
standing
committees
in
advance
for
some
time
in
there.
So
again,
I
think
that's
the
way
to
go,
because
members
of
this
commission
who
are
not
on
city
council.
When
you
come
into
a
committee
meeting,
you
are
now
Citizen.
G
A
Reason
to
question
for
me
in
the
the
role
of
Park
members
and
I,
just
raising
the
same
question:
people
with
CPAP,
for
example,
we
are
appointed
by
Council
under
the
regulations.
Our
meetings
are
done
the
same
way
and
until
very
recently
we
were
not
routinely
invited
admitted
into
Public
Safety
Committee,
and
it's
always
the
chair's
opportunity
to
say
well.
Do
you
have
a
question?
Well,
that's
kind
of
the
it's
informal
so
Peter.
A
If
I
nudge
him
a
little
bit
right,
will
invite
me
to
a
meeting
all
right
and
I
get
to
ask
a
question.
One
of
the
things
that
we
might
suggest
for
both
for
hark
at
least
right
around
some
of
those
questions
is:
is
Adrian
all
right
or
a
member
of
the
commission
right
be
admitted
to
ask
questions
as
as
part
of
a
part
of
the
conversation
because
of
our
appointment
as
to
the
commission,
not
being
just
being
a
citizen.
G
What
I
would
say
to
that
is
this
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
build
into
our
rules,
because
we
don't
do
that
until
the
first
year
anyway,
an
additional
little
comment
period
for
a
specific
committee
or
commission,
but
as
the
chairman
of
the
committee,
as
many
of
us
are,
it
is
under
our
discretion
to
allow
for
public
comment
in
advance
and
put
it
on
an
agenda.
I
will
tell
you
I'm
one
council
member
who
does
not
like
to
do
that,
and
it
has
no
not
because
I
don't
want
to
hear
from
the
public.
G
We
have
very
limited
times
in
our
committees
and
they
get
stacked
up
on
top
of
each
other
and
city
council
is
the
place
for
public
comment,
but
again
with
the
heart
being
its
own
entity
and
as
these
recommendations
come
forward,
some
of
which
are
weightier
than
others,
some
of
which
you
need
more
comment
than
others,
some
of
which
will
be
more
controversial
than
others
and
some
only
more
vetting
than
others.
There
is
the
opportunity,
depending
on
the
committee
and
council
member
shade,
is
probably
more
lenient
than
others
about
why
people
come
and
have
comment.
G
It's
I
think
it's
the
our
manager
and
our
chairpersons
probably
obligation
job
and
Duty
just
to
signal
that
in
advance,
so
you
can
get
on
an
agenda.
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
go
back
and
redo
our
rules
and
I
get
it
and
it's
a
good
try
but
you've
seen
enough
for
city
council.
No
anything
that
adds
time
on
top
of
us
right
now
is
is
going
to
be
met
with
some
results:
fair
enough,
I.
F
Really
appreciate
all
of
the
feedback
that
you
know
and
I
I
would
just
like
to
clarify
what
I
was
intending
and
saying
that
we
don't
have
you
know
we
don't
have
an
overarching
heart
set
of
ongoing
responsibilities
based
on
the
fact
of
what
you
all
were
just
talking
about.
We
all
need
to
be
proactive.
We
all
need
to
be
watching
the
things
that
we're
the
most
interested
in
that
are
coming
to
the
to
the
top
of
the
city's
attention.
F
So
I
I
I
was
not
trying
to
make
another
layer
of
of
you
know,
complication,
confusion,
whatever
my
words
must
have
portrayed.
I
do
think
that
we
should
get
credit
as
hark
to
be
recognized
that
we
haven't.
We,
we
accept
an
ongoing
responsibility
to
be
the
body
that
the
city
council
has
appointed
to
be
looking
for
the
things
that
are
represented
in
each
one
of
our
topical
areas,
Equity
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation,
and
we
don't
have
that.
We
might
have
it
in
our.
A
F
Okay,
I
think
I
need
to
have
a
better
explanation
of
what
you're
asking
me
to
draft,
but-
and
you
know,
I
just
I-
just
think
that
having
some
agreed
to
authorization
that,
if
we're
going
to
be
the
equity
and
inclusion,
racial
conciliation
dog,
nipping
at
the
heels
of
decision
makers
that
they
should
agree
that
they
can
be,
you
know
barked
at
up
front.
That's
all
we
don't
want
to
just
be
that
noisy
gong
group
that
people
aren't
expecting
to
hear
from
that.
That's
all
I
really
meant.
H
Yeah,
just
you
know,
I'll
try
to
be
quick,
I
I,
arguably
shouldn't
say
this
publicly,
but
I
don't
get
a
lot
out
of
the
public
comment
period
at
city,
council,
I,
I,
don't
always
know
what
people
are
talking
about.
Some
some
people
are
very
passionate
about
something.
There
was
a
lady,
unfortunately,
on
Tuesday,
who
was
super
passionate
about
something
and
I
still
don't
know
what
she
was
talking
about.
H
If
she
had
emailed
me
ahead
of
time,
I
would
know
exactly
what
she
was
talking
about
this.
You
know
we
don't
we
don't
live
in
a
world
where
you
have
to
show
up
at
city
council
to
be
heard.
I
check
my
emails
constantly,
they
I
get
I
felt
a
buzz
just
a
second
ago.
If
I
had
to
guess
it's
probably
a
city
council,
email,
and
you
know
if,
if
we
baby,
you
know
every
for
every
meeting
or
something.
H
If
you
know
somebody
wanted
to
volunteer
to
write
on
behalf
of
hark,
you
know
that
would
be.
That
would
be
red
and
that
would
be
heard
loud
and
clear,
and,
and
that
would
be
for
me
the
easiest
way
to
to
digest
that
information
and
decide.
You
know,
based
on
that,
oh
okay,
now
what
questions
do
I
need
to
ask
cagem?
H
Does
that
really
effectively
where
you
know
I
I
get
a
list
of
questions
that
they
would
really
like
me
to
ask,
and
sometimes
I
ask
them
and
sometimes
I
don't,
but
you
know
I'm
under
no.
You
know
it's
very
clear
to
me.
What
they
are
interested
in
and
and
I
can
take
that
and
Factor
it
into
what
I'm
interested
in.
D
F
Thank
you
I
mean
that
that
is
what
I
was
trying
to
communicate
about.
We,
we
can
take
assignments
to
be
Liaisons
to
the
Committees
that
are
going
to
be
reviewing
our
recommendations
and
do
all
of
that
in
advance
of
their
committee
meetings
or
as
they
go
along
and
say
they
need
more
information
or
they're
going
to
defer
a
decision
based
on
x,
y
and
z.
If
we
know
what
they're
up
to
then
we
can
take
the
appropriate,
you
know
support
type
action
to
get
them
to
a
decision
that
I
think
we're.
L
I
have
a
very
uncomfortable
question,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
it:
why
is
this
commission
held
to
a
different
standard
than
every
other
Commission
in
the
City
of
Charleston?
The
women's
commission
does
not
sit
and
have
these
conversations.
The
history
commission
does
not
sit
and
have
these
conversations
of
how
they're
going
to
move
things
forward.
Why
is
this
commission
held
to
a
different
standard?
It
is
palpable,
and
that
to
me
is
there
is
obviously
something
Maybe
unconscious.
L
You
know
a
bias
or
something
that's
happening,
that
there's
all
of
this
regulation
and
it,
and
what
not
going
on
that
I
I
feel
that
I
feel
is
very
you
know,
like
I,
said
very
tangible,
but
I
never
experienced
and
in
another
commission
I
could
be
completely
off
base
and
Adrian.
You
can
totally
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
have
felt
from
the
get-go
from
the
very
very
beginning.
L
This
is
held
to
a
different
standard
and
in
a
lot
of
ways,
a
standard
that
sets
it
up
for
failure,
because
it's
like
there's
all
of
it's
like
there's
a
whole
different
set
of
rules.
Like
I
said,
the
women's
commission
doesn't
go
through
all
of
this:
they
they
have
their
topics
that
you
know.
They
feel
are
important
that
the
city
needs
to
pay
attention
to
and
they
work
to
advance
those
objectives.
L
They
are
not
sitting
around
and
being
so
process
oriented
and
so
I
just
there's
a
lot
of
fear
underlying
all
of
this
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
a
lot
of
fear,
whether
again,
whether
we're
conscious
of
it
or
not,
that
is
that
is
coming
that
is
being
expressed
in
this
way
is
my
is
my
sense
and
again:
I
could
be
totally
off
base
and
I
hope,
I
am
and
I,
and
if
somebody
would
love
to
tell
me
you
know
full
of
it.
Marie.
A
But
that's
my
that's
mine.
Thank
you
for
that
comment
and
I
think
you
can
marinate
about
that
a
little
bit
and
maybe
think
about
oh,
we
or
is
anybody
acting
out
of
a
sense
of
fear?
Certainly
our
existence
is
controversial
and
maybe
that
controversy
all
right
is
is
carrying
over
as
as
part
of
as
part
of
an
umbrella
but
I'm,
not
certain
but
I.
Think
that's
a
lower
conversation,
Carol
Frye.
K
Yes,
thanks,
Jerry
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce
the
some
a
couple
of
points
that
Carol
made
because
I
feel
Carol
Jay
that
I,
because
I
I
feel
the
same
way.
You
know
she
mentioned
the
way
that
we
have
set
ourselves
up.
We
divided
into
small
subgroups
and
you
know
we're
trying
to
move
ahead.
We
think
that's
the
best
way
to
do
this
work,
but
I,
I,
I
think
a
part
of
what
she
was
saying
and
I
certainly
feel.
K
You
know
that
all
of
a
sudden
something
moves
forward,
and
it's
not
even
been
discussed
as
a
full
group
with
the
debate
that
whatever
for
the
topic
is
deserves
to
have
so
I
want
to
reinforce
what
she
said.
I
I
think
that's
what
she
was
saying
and
I
totally
agree
that
you
know
and
and
what
you
know
was
just
said-
I'm,
not
sure
what
to
say
about
that.
K
We've
got
an
expert
in
our
group
in
Bonnie
who
might
could
help
us
work
work
through
some
of
those
issues
about
you
know
any
feelings
of
concern
or
fear
or
whatever,
but
I
did
want
to
reinforce
what
Carol
said
I,
because
I
think
you
know
that's
important,
that
we
understand
how
we
deal
with
these
topics,
how
we
come
to
agreements
and
and
and
then
move
forward
from
there.
So
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
make
that
comment.
C
Thank
you
for
that.
Carol
I
would
just
urge
us
all
to
be
as
concise
as
we
can
and
stay
focused
on
the
things
that
are
important
and
if
it,
if
it
isn't
urgent
or
has
to
be
done
right
now,
we've
got
really
limited
time
and
so
err
on
the
side
of
not
speaking
versus
speaking
and
be
concise.
When
you
speak.
A
And
mommy
just
reminded
me
that
we
have
time
limit.
This
conversation
has
been
fruitful
just
for
the
record
both
for
the
public,
so
you
missed.
Do
not
misunderstand
this
body
in
December
voted
to
send
forward
all
the
recommendations
that
were
in
the
special
commission
to
report
in
the
areas
of
economic
empowerment,
Criminal,
Justice,
Reform
and
housing
and
Mobility.
A
So
nothing
in
in
the
entire
body
did
that,
based
on
the
recommendations
and
work
in
the
subcommittees
that
were
done
short,
quick
and
hairy,
but
there
was
that
statement
was
made
by
these
are
moving
forward
with
the
full
blessing
of
the
entire
commission.
Nothing
in
those
columns.
Okay
from
that
been
vetted.
Any
comments
that
might
be
added
further
out.
A
Okay
could
be
observations
in
how
they
get
in
if
we're
concerned
about
how
we
vet
those
that's
something
else
again,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
your
public
understands
that
the
full
body
of
these
recommendations
in
those
three
areas
have
been
forwarded
to
the
or
to
be
forwarded
to
the
standing
committee's
appropriate
sanding
committees
or
city
council,
based
on
the
action
of
of
this
body.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear
and
with
that,
if
we
could
now
turn
on
to
the
presentation.
A
M
Good
afternoon
to
the
esteemed
commission,
and
thank
you
chairman
Harris,
for
the
invitation,
my
name
is
Bernie
mazik
I'm,
president
and
CEO
of
the
South
Carolina
Association
for
Community
Economic
Development
we're
a
Statewide
trade
Association
of
non-profit
economic
development
organizations
throughout
South
Carolina,
headquartered
in
Charleston,
well,
I'm.
Also
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
group
called
the
Strategic
thinking
group,
which
is
a
group
of
leaders
in
the
local
area
that
seeks
to
look
at
how
economic
Mobility
can
occur
among
the
African-American
community
I
was.
M
M
M
M
Not
only
can
visitors
that
I
believe
will
be
coming
from
throughout
the
world
to
visit
the
international
African-American
Museum,
but
we'll
also
be
able
to
take
that
learning.
Experience
from
the
museum
into
a
real-time
experience
about
African-American
culture,
Gala
culture
and
the
uniqueness
of
Charleston
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
Charleston
is
an
attraction
largely
because
of
its
history,
and
that
history
includes
the
unique
culture
of
the
African-American
African
diaspora
that
that
that
has
its
presence
here
in
in
Charleston.
M
That
gives
the
visitor
the
the
the
true
feeling
and
experience
of
the
African-American
culture
and
having
business
come
from
the
museum
and
then
live
that
experience
in
real
time.
We
think
would
be
a
phenomenal
experience,
would
add
economically
to
Charleston,
as
well
as
educationally
to
Charleston.
M
So
what
we're
proposing
and
we've
had
one
conversation,
brief
conversation
with
City
staff
and
I'm,
not
well
with
Port
staff
and
the
development
group,
that's
working
with
the
port
about
this
concept
and
we're
going
to
be
working
working
on
a
follow-up
meeting
to
that.
But
the
thinking
is
I'll
move
too
quickly.
The
thinking
is
the
visitor
and
not
gonna
waste
your
time
and
pull
it
out.
M
M
The
African-American
population
in
1960
was
51
African-American
in
Charleston
51,
roughly
that
population
in
1960
was
115.
000
residents
do
the
math
and
it's
roughly
58
000
residents.
So
we're
saying
a
minimum
of
we
rounded
up
sixty
thousand
square
feet
minimum
to
be
dedicated
to
the
Renaissance
District.
We're
building
this
off
of
what
we
think
is
a
successful
18th
and
Vine
District
in
Kansas
City
Missouri.
That
is
the
home
of
the
National
Negro
League
Museum
and
the
national
jazz
museum
and
there
in
Kansas
City.
M
They
also
have
a
variety
of
restaurant
shops,
jazz
clubs
and
other
venues
that
create
and
give
the
visitor
there
in
Kansas
City
to
Kansas
City,
a
unique
feeling,
barbecue
and
other
offerings
there
in
Kansas
City,
so
we're
at
present
modeling
this
somewhat
after
18th
and
Vine
historic
district.
Again,
this
unique
opportunity
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity
we
think,
will
be
offered
because
of
the
international
African-American
Museum
and,
of
course,
the
Redevelopment
of
the
Union
peer
development,
and
we
really
think
that
this
would
be
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
Charleston.
M
We
also
want
to
lift
up
quite
an
ironic
scenario,
because
this
area
is
being
redeveloped
about
two,
maybe
three
streets
from
historic
ansonborough
again
in
the
1960s
historic
acinboro
was
a
majority
African-American
neighborhood,
but
because
of
urban
renewal
that
changed
and
I
think
a
few
months
ago
there
was
an
article
in
Post
and
Courier
about
the
last
family
that
sold
their
house.
African-American
family
sold
their
house
in
ansonborough.
M
So
again
we're
looking
at
an
opportunity
to
once
again
return
to
the
peninsula.
Some
history,
a
sense
of
place
that
once
existed
in
a
significant
way
on
the
peninsula
of
Charleston
and
and
at
the
same
time,
create
a
business
card
or
an
opportunity
to
grow
economic
opportunities
on
the
peninsula
now
and
I'm.
M
Just
not
going
to
go
through
this,
but
the
the
Brookings
Institute
a
few
years
ago
produced
a
report
kind
of
saying,
because
we
often
look
at
the
the
disparities
between
African-American
businesses
and
non-african-american
businesses
and
usually
those
Affairs
disparities
are
significant
Brookings
day.
What?
If
what?
If
African-American
businesses
were
on
par
with
non-african-american
businesses?
What
would
that
mean
to
the
overall
economy
in
the
U.S?
And
these
are
some
data
points,
and
it's
in
your
package
that
you
can
read
through
them
as
well?
M
I'm
not
going
to
insult
your
intelligence
by
going
through
them
here.
But
we
consider
these
are
some
goals
that
we
could
also
aspire
to
the
last
one
I'll
just
say:
if
the
number
of
black
businesses
match
the
population
size
and
revenue
of
each
of
well,
black
businesses
create
an
average
of
10
jobs
per
firm
compared
to
23
for
non-black
businesses.
If
the
average
employees
for
black
businesses
increase
to
23
that
would
create
146
jobs,
it's
all
about
the
numbers,
the
economy
in
that
context,
and
I'm
more
in
software
Intelligence.
On
that
now.
M
What
I'd
also
want
to
share
with
you
is
that
the
Charleston
area
currently
have
an
emerging
support
system
for
African-American
businesses.
We
know
the
disparities
exist
there,
but
we
now
have
an
emerging
what
we
call
ecosystem
to
support
minority
businesses
and
specifically
African
American
businesses
in
2021,
SBA
launched
a
community
Navigator
program
Nationwide.
M
M
Just
in
2022
those
businesses
applied
for
or
submitted
a
work
with
area
lending
institutions,
mainly
cdfis
community
development,
financial
institutions
for
all
for
a
little
over
20
million
dollars
in
capital
were
successful
in
securing
18
million
dollars
in
capital.
So
we
see
that
this
is
a
concept
that
is
proving,
if
you're
intentional,
if
you're
intentional,
about
providing
support
and
resources
to
minority
entrepreneurs
you'll
be
able
to
get
a
return
on
that
investment
and
I.
M
Don't
know
how
much
time
I
have
but
I'm
gonna
run
through
this
I
have
two
minutes:
okay,
so
in
addition
to
that
program,
there
are
other
players
as
part
of
what
we
call
an
ecosystem,
an
emerging
ecosystem.
This
is
certain
minority
businesses.
There's
a
group
called
The
Low
Country
minority
Business
Partnership.
That
is
really
leading
the
effort
to
institutionalize
an
ecosystem,
bringing
together
a
variety
of
resources
and
partners
to
help
make
that
happen.
M
If
you
didn't
know,
the
Charleston
Metro
chamber
has
a
business
accelerator
program
underway
the
in
their
second
cohort
of
minority
entrepreneurs
in
that
program.
When
you
talk
about
services
and
programs,
we
have
a
variety
of
groups
in
the
shop
in
the
low
country
in
the
Charleston
area.
Doing
that
work
to
include
climb
fund,
increasing
whole
South,
Carolina,
Community,
Loan,
Fund,
SVA,
score
and
so
forth.
M
A
A
So,
in
essence,
what
we
in
our
sending
forward
to
economic
Mobility
peace,
we
said
this
kind
of
thing
should
be
looked
at.
Here
is
a
concrete
example
of
something
that
will
be
talked
about
could
be
talked
about
as
part
of
a
process
that
will
be
going
on
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
and
it's
it's
exciting
to
hear
that
this
is
one
thing.
People
are
for,
there's
a
vision
and
we
like
to
know
for
example.
What
would
you
ask
us?
What
would
you
ask
a
part
at
this
point.
M
That's
part
of
the
Union
peer
master
plan,
that's
a
plan,
that's
that's
really
a
plan
and
as
I
understand
it
and
as
support
reflected
to
us,
you
know
the
plan
once
approved
by
city
council
then
would
there
would
be
rfps
sent
out
for
different
developers
and
whomever
to
make
different
parts
of
that
plan
a
reality,
but
we
believe,
starting
with
the
plan.
If
something
like
this
is
including
the
plan,
then
it
can
potentially
attract
different
parties
to
come
forward
and
work
to
make
that
plan
a
reality.
M
B
F
Don't
have
any
questions,
Bernie
I'm,
really
glad
to
see
you
come
before
us,
and
this
I
mean
I
I.
Think
at
the
the
very
brainstorming
type
conversations
that
we
had
under
Alvin
Johnson
is
is
currently
the
leader
of
our
working
group
on
economic
empowerment,
in
the
way
that
he
inherited
that
role
during
the
special
commission
so
he's
having
more
fun
than
we
are
right
now
in
Italy.
F
M
Thank
you
and
I.
Don't
think
the
main
meeting
would
be
too
late
because,
of
course
this
will
be
evolving
and
nothing
is
done
until
city
council
votes
on
and
finally,
and
we're
still
going
to
be
meeting
with
the
board
to
try
to
advance
this
concept.
So
whenever,
whenever
you're,
ready
and,
of
course,
we're
available
to
answer
questions
just
keeping
in
mind,
this
is
an
evolving
plan.
Yeah.
F
And
can
I
just
and
I've
been
following
along
with
the
Union
peer
development,
so
I
I
I
think
it's
fine
to
call
what
the
port
is
going
to
ask
the
city
to
approve.
You
know
the
framework
of
a
master
plan,
but
legally
it's
it's
a
planned
unit,
development
that
will
be
a
Zone,
a
special
Zone
and
it's
it's
it's.
It
needs
to
be
tied
down,
as
specifically
as
as
that
that
this
sixty
thousand
you
know,
Renaissance
District
would
be
created
as
part
of
that
PUD.
F
A
master
plan
will
sound
wonderful,
but
it
will
not
be
the
legal
feat
to
the
fire
that
a
potential
buyer
of
the
Union
Pier
property
and
that's
my
understanding
unless
they've
changed
their
way.
That
they've
explained
it
in
terms
of
a
purchase
and
sale.
The
port
is
gonna,
do
their
absolute
best
to
get
this
PUD
approved
by
the
council
and
then
they're
gonna
flip,
the
property
essentially
low,
has
the
right
of
first
refusal.
As
far
as
I
know.
That's
still
the
way
that
they're
mastered.
You
know.
F
Planner
contract
goes,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
a
sale.
Maybe
you
know
I
I
can't
imagine
that
there
wouldn't
be
opportunity
for
a
group
of
landowner
buyers
developers
to
come
together
and
do
this,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
so.
You
know
iterative
as
time
goes
on
once
that
sale
goes
through,
then
it'll
be
up
to
the
owner
of
the
property
on
how
they
want
to
use
their
putt
right.
M
A
B
E
D
A
In
terms
of
any
a
notation,
if
you
will
in
terms
of
progress
being
made,
that
would
be
noted,
and
that
is
something
to
to
monitor.
As
I
recall,
there
is
a
meeting
scheduled
on
Monday
at
2
p.m.
Of
that
Chloe
and
the
folks
in
the
planning
department
are
having
with
the
organizations
that
had
expressed
interest
in
doing
that
work.
It's
kind
of
a
kickoff
meeting
understanding.
A
What's
going
on
and
the
like,
as
I
reviewed,
very
quickly
the
grant
description
it
provides
money
for
advocating
and
supporting
folks
doing
research
in
terms
of
preservation,
all
right
and
at
least
on
the
one
new
marker
right
so
out
of
the
out
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
they'll
probably
try
to
get
some
experts
to
do
some
broad
work,
but
at
least
one
New
Market
would
be
generated
and
that's
very
much
consistent
with
what's
in
the
master
plan,
and
it's
also
talked
about
in
this
special
Commission
report.
E
E
E
Yes,
Saturday,
so
internal
review,
I
was
able
to
four
to
five
I
was
able
to
pull
aside
K
cross
she's,
the
director
of
human
human
Affairs
she's,
a
director
of
the
human
resource
department,
and
we
discussed
quickly
just
a
couple
of
things
that
the
city
has
upcoming,
which
is
our
day.
Our
day
is
a
system
where
it's
a
time
keeping
mechanism
so
right
now
in
the
city
is
working
off
the
timesheets
and
that
system
will
be
electronic,
which
is
something
that
they're
in
the
process
of
looking
into
and
they'll
be
implementing.