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City of Charleston Human Affairs and Racial Conciliation Commission 2/9/2023
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I
believe
that
we
can
get
a
a
link
circulated
to
you
all
if
you
haven't
received
it.
If
you'd
like
to
register
you
click
on
that
link
and
the
registration
takes
a
couple
seconds.
However,
it
all
also
will
be
recorded
and
available
on
the
city
website
after
the
presentation.
So
I
can
make
sure
that
you
all
receive
information
about
that
if
you're
not
able
to
attend
this
evening,
but
just
to
give
you
a
rundown
of
some
of
the
topics
that
will
be
covered.
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What
information
is
recorded
and
how
the
police
department
uses
that
information,
and
we
will
be
able
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
our
efforts
in
the
future
and
we're
we're
going
to
help
reduce
or
reduce
crime
and
protect
Public
Safety
and
also
make
sure
that
we're
being
as
Fair
as
possible
and
how
we
Implement
motor
vehicle
stops.
Then
we're
going
to
have
a
10-minute
period
or
so
for
anyone
and
that's
attending
to
ask
questions
for
the
panelists
to
answer
so.
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I
am
happy
at
this
time
to
I
will
pass
around
a
notepad
that,
if
you're
interested
in
attending
and
you
haven't,
received
an
invite
with
the
registration
link,
you
can
provide
me.
Your
email
address
and
I'll
make
sure
that
I
get
it
to
you
before
the
webinar
tonight
at
seven,
but
barring
that
I'll
make
sure
that
you
guys
are
all
aware
about
where
the
the
reporting
will
be
located.
So
are
there
any
any
questions
so.
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Welcome
on
board
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
data
are
they
going
to
be
collecting
on
traffic
stops
or
like?
What
are
you
going
to
be
analyzing
I
mean
I,
think
I
know
generally
what
they
keep
I'm
just
I
guess
I'm
wondering
what
they
felt
was
inadequate,
based
on
the
results
of
the
racial
bias
audit
and
then
what
they
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
keeping
better
track
of.
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Sure
so,
from
my
understanding,
there
were
multiple
different
systems:
collecting
data
on
traffic
stops
and
when
the
Auditors
came
in
and
tried
to
make
sense
and
get
a
comprehensive
picture
of
what
information
they
had,
and
so
they
could
do
robust
analyzes.
They
weren't
able
to
link
all
the
data
pieces
together
and
so
in
2021
the
department
started
collecting
more
information
using
Field
contact
cards
to
try
to
get
that
comprehensive
database
that
can
link
all
the
systems
together
and
provide
for
a
robust,
more
robust
analysis
and
so
they've
made
great
strides
in
that
area.
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Great
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
also
welcome
you
I
think
the
majority
of
us
have
been
familiar
with
the
work
of
Wendy
stiver,
who
is
your
predecessor
and
the
first
person
to
hold
this
position
in
the
city
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
you're
able
to
you
know
sort
of
learn
from
the
record
that
she
created
and
and
put
that
to
good
use
and
I
do
think.
I
mean
there's
already
been
a
couple
of
years
of
of
collecting
data
more
uniformly
right.
So
it's
not
starting.
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Great
and
then
the
other
thing
I
just
I,
think
as
a
as
a
commission.
Here
we
should
know
that
Jerry
Harris
is
I,
don't
think
you're
an
original
member
of
CPAC,
but
almost
an
original
member
of
CPAC,
so
I
think
you
should
say
a
little
bit
about
your
role
with
CPAC
and
what
you've
seen
them
do
over
the
last
year
or
so
so.
A
Citizen
Police
advisory
committee
was
established
in
2018
and
there
was
a
new
cohort
added
in
2020.
I
was
one
of
the
members
appointed
appointed
by
the
mayor
as
one
of
his
four
appointments
to
the
to
the
commission
and
I
chaired
the
policy
subcommittee
policy
juice
up
committee
and
and
December
I
was
elected
as
Vice
chair
of
CPAP,
so
I
get
to
run
another
meet.
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Okay,
thank
you.
One
of
the
other
things
I
noted,
I
believe
the
Public
Safety
Committee
on
Mondays
meeting
on
Monday
and
we'll
be
receiving
a
briefing
as
I
understand
from
the
police
department
on
the
status
of
some
of
the
implementation
of
racial
bias,
audit
and
some
other
developments
in
the
department.
So
it'll
be
quite
a
bit
of
information
available.
I'll
come
here
shortly.
Okay,.
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Council,
the
city
council,
that's
correct,
that's
correct!
Thank
you.
Carol
item
number,
six
is
the
heart
managers
update,
as
you
note
may
have
noticed.
Adrian
is
not
here.
Unfortunately,
she
could
have
contracted
covet
and
she's
been
working.
Feverishly
from
from
home,
Jason
and
I
did
have
a
conversation.
You
want
to
jump
in.
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Here
sure
so
I
spoke
with
Adrian.
She
is
feeling
better
than
the
mend,
but
her
update
in
terms
of
the
workshops.
This
Saturday's
Workshop
is
going
to
be
canceled
just
due
to
her
illness
and
some
of
the
logistics
getting
getting
ready
for
Saturday.
But
it's
my
understanding
that
the
311
and
the
415
meetings
will
still
be
happening
and
we
might
just
elongate
both
of
those
meetings
a
little
bit.
So
please
mark
your
calendars:
Marie,
who's,
relatively
new
who's,
mark
your
calendars
for
311
for
and
415
they're.
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Basically,
two
Saturday
workshops,
those
are
going
to
continue
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
vacancies,
Tom
orth
will
be
appointed.
Our
city
council
meeting
on
Tuesday,
which
is
Valentine's
Day
and
also
two
additional
folks,
will
be
being
appointed
I'm.
Sorry,
Marie
del
Chapo
was
also
being
nominated
and
will
likely
be
appointed
at
the
2
28
meeting
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
stand
correct,
if
Jennifer
here,
I
think
I
my
understanding
actually
I
stand,
corrected.
I
believe
Tom
and
Marie
will
officially
be
appointed
at
the
228
meeting.
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Just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
stand
corrected
on
that
and
then
we're
also
doing
on
214
next
Tuesday
night,
a
recognition
of
our
special
commission
members.
Many
of
those
have
opted
to
to
follow
up
and
be
with
us
there's
a
few
that
won't
be,
but
if
anyone's
listening
and
participating
in
the
special
commission,
please
try
to
get
there
on
on
Tuesday
night
for
a
special
recognition
which
will
happen
at
the
front
end
of
the
meeting.
So
you're
not
have
to
wait
two
or
three
hours
to
get
recognized.
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Yeah
I
thought
it
was
amazing
to
hear
some
of
the
progress,
so
the
core,
the
core
group
that
the
city
formed
when
Amber
was
here,
was
basically
almost
like
an
extension
of
our
internal
working
group.
So
there's
a
lot,
each
department
had
had
someone
there
representing
there's,
probably
about
10
11
12
different
departments
represented
today,
and
for
me
it
was
it
was.
J
It
was
nice
to
be
able
to
see
that
some
of
the
work
that
we
have
been
doing
is
is
aligning
to
some
of
the
work
that
they've
been
doing
and
ultimately
both
of
these
groups.
The
commission,
as
well
as
the
core
group,
should
be
working
in
in
you
know,
in
in
conjunction
over
the
next
couple
years
and
I
think
they're
excited
I.
Think
they've
learned
a
lot
one
of
the
things
my
takeaway
was
that
in
terms
of
being
a
cohesive
group,
they
don't
have
to
necessarily
notice
public
meetings.
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So
I
say
that
with
all
due
respect,
meaning
that
that
they're
able
to
have
authentic
conversations
and
not
worry
about
some
of
the
external
forces,
for
example,
but
I
thought
today's
meeting
was-
was
wonderful
and
I
was
glad
to
be
part
of
it.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
Chloe,
stuber
and
I,
can't
remember
the
other
staff
members
that
helped
organize
it.
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Jason
did
a
good
update
on
sort
of
the
work
part,
but
I
think
the
interpersonal
part
was
really
important
and
we
got
to
know
each
other
I.
Think
those
of
us
were
there
a
little
bit
better
and
a
little
bit
about
the
core
team
members
and
I
thought
it
was
really
powerful,
and
so
I
would
like
to
have
more
opportunities
in
that.
You
know
in
a
setting
where
we
can
really
get
to
know
each
other
and
great
discussions.
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And
it
was,
it
was
Bob
and
Bonnie
and
Alvin
and
Jason
and
me
that
were
there,
so
it
was
a
good.
You
know,
majority
of
us,
for
me,
I
was
I,
was
really
very
pleasantly
I,
don't
know
surprised,
but
I
expected
a
smaller
group
and
Jerry
asked
him
the
question
halfway
through
that
they
gave
us
a
very
thorough
little.
You
know
rundown
of
what
they've
been
doing.
The
last
they've
had
15
meetings,
since
they
were
formed
in
2021,
which
I
think
is
pretty
remarkable.
B
Knowing
that
they're
all
you
know
busy,
and
sometimes
they
just
can't
organize
it
and
Amber,
wasn't
there
for
like
four
or
five
months,
maybe
longer
before
they
hired
Adrian,
but
I
think
that
actually
was
a
was
a
strong
opportunity
for
them
to
perform
this
three
leader
co-leader
like
little
executive
team.
That
seems
like
they've,
really
gelled,
and
they
are
really
you
know,
making
a
game
plan
that
I
think
we
should
all
be
proud,
is
actually
happening
in
the
city,
and
so
I
would
hope
that
we
can
make
more
of
an
effort
to
bring
them.
B
You
know
like
into
a
meeting
here
quarterly
or
something
they
can
make
a
more
thorough
report
of
their
own
deliberations
and
and
action
steps
so
that
we
can
learn
from
and
I
I
know
in
reading
the
minutes.
Over
again,
you
know
my
my
comment
about
when
we
were
deciding
about
how
to
do
the
the
next
set
of
recommendations.
Sub
you
know,
subcommittee
studies
or,
however,
we're
calling
it
our
little
work
groups.
I
I
made
the
comment
that
I
do
think
that
we
should
be
going.
B
You
know,
sort
of
behind
what
that
group
had
be
had
been,
has
been
working
on
and
I
appreciate
that
whoever
sort
of
put
me
in
in
my
place
about
that
in
terms
of
putting
it
in
perspective
that
obviously
the
commission
has
its
own,
it's
a
mandate
to
be
making
recommendations
that
the
council
can
act
on.
So
the
two
groups
aren't
interchangeable,
but
I,
but
I
came
away
from
the
meeting
today
feeling
much
more.
You
know
more
confident
than
I
did
before
that.
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I
concur.
One
of
the
things
that
is
included
in
our
report
is
a
recommendation
that
all
departments
have
a
participant
in
in
that
Core,
Group
and
I.
Think
our
experience
today
suggested
that
it
really
would
be
valuable
in
terms
of
moving
forward
and
I.
Think
there
isn't
in
fact,
an
interface
with
some
of
the
recommendations
from
the
internal
review
all
right.
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Out
there
is
that
correct,
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
being
accurate.
We've
decided
to
focus
on
the
next
two,
which
is
history
and
culture,
internal
review
and
really
divide
those
up.
Just
like
we
did
that
first
go
around.
So
my
question,
I
guess
for
discussion,
is
how
do
we
want
to
tackle
this?
We
want
to
break
up
into
two
separate
groups.
Do
we
want
to
do
this,
as,
as
you
know,.
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Yeah,
that's
the
other
option
is
option.
One
is
two
groups.
You
know
we
divide
up
this,
this
team
into
two
groups
and
we
hit
we
hit
history
and
culture.
Another
group
hits
internal
review
or
we
do
this
as
a
discussion.
Maybe
during
this
meeting
even
we
could
do
that
and
hope
and
hit
history
and
culture
and
then
get
that
completed
and
then
pivot
to
internal
review.
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Yeah,
yes,
the
internal.
The
internal
review
subcommittee
focused
on
operational
procedures
within
the
Department's
Human
Resources
kind
of
related
matters,
training
across
across
departments
like
retention
promotion
situations,
I
think
there
was
even
some
commentary
about
budget
yeah
budget
allocation,
so
it's
those
kind
of
both
kind
of
things
departments
working
in
silos
that
perhaps
there
should
be
some
additional
collaboration,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we've
all
experienced
and
that
will
be
important,
as
is
the
it
back
backbone
for
the
you
know.
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J
So
the
first
go
around
we
basically
assigned
whoever
was
in
that
group.
So
let's
just
use
the
example
of
Economic
Opportunity
economic
empowerment
that
that
Alvin
shared
for
the
special
commission
and
that
did
you
take
a
lead
yeah.
So
you
can
chime
in
if
you
want,
but
basically
looking
at
the
recommendations
that
we're
in
the
spark
plug
commission
report
prioritizing,
have
a
discussion
having
a
discussion,
all
those
recommendations
and
prioritizing
them
in
some
sort
of
list
and
then
basically
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
removed
some
took
some
off
no
yeah.
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If
I
try
yeah
the
charge
of
the
subcommittees
was
one
to
review
the
recommendations
of
the
special
commission
subcommittees,
comparing
it
to
the
master
plan
to
identify
whether
or
not
there
was
intersection
right.
The
city
adopted
master
plan,
because
that
was
already
City
policy.
A
second
component.
A
If
there
were
things
that
Council
had
moved
on
already
well,
the
administration
moved
on
to
note
those
right,
so
we
had
a
sense
of
where
we
were
on
any
of
the
recommendations
right
and
then
for
those
recommendations
that
we
thought
should
move
forward
to
identify
which
of
the
standing
committees
of
city
council.
They
should
be
referred
to
for
Action,
okay,.
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B
Know
I
was
asleep
when
you
said
so.
We
have
three
more
to
discuss
to
study
and
get
started
on
that
same
process.
I
mean
I,
think
I'm
on
the
record
that
we're
not
done
with
economic
empowerment.
I
would
think
you
know.
Maybe
the
transportation
and
housing
still
needs
to
have.
You
know
some
more
fleshing
out,
but
but
we
also
have
health
disparities
in
environmental
justice.
We
haven't
put
that
on
our
to-do
list,
so
we're
not.
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A
We
would
do
that
using
the
the
the
rapid,
the
Rapid
Transit
project.
As
an
example
there's
an
an
item
where
there's
specific
activities
related
to
impacting
ideas
that
were
in
the
report
around
Mobility,
the
potential
of
impacting
housing
all
right
and
the
resources
and
their
plans
being
developed
currently
around
that
so
the
degree
to
which
we
monitor
or
get
directly
involved.
The
chairman
of
the
Transportation
group
is
sitting
sitting
with
us
he's
committed
conversations
with
the
staff
who's
responsible
for
outreach
right.
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We
can
kind
of
build
an
action
plan
around
around
that
some
of
the
other
areas.
That
may
not
be
that
kind
of
resource,
and
we
just
just
wind
up
tracking
so
yeah
we're
not
just
sending
this
up
to
city
council,
making
the
recommendations
and
going
on
in
that
continuing
to
monitor.
What's
going,
we
want
to
pass
your
concern.
B
That
isn't
my
concern.
I
I
I
mean
I,
don't
feel
like.
We
have
actually
submitted
anything
that
you
could
say
our
recommendations
to
council.
We
we
made
we've
submitted
our
progress
report
which,
for
the
working
group
that
I
was
part
of
to
focus
on
economic,
empowerment
and
and
a
lot
of
our
conversation
and
that
meeting
sort
of
recognize
that
economic
empowerment,
you
know,
has
to
has
to
deal
with
stuff
and
wherewithal
and
how
you
build.
B
You
know
a
person's
success
in
business
and
having
a
more
stable
home
life
by
you
know
more
stable
housing
prices
whatever,
so
we
we
I
mean
I
think
that
we
dance
around
the
opportunities
that
the
city
has
to
bring
a
lot
of
these
improvements
to
the
disparities
with
the
the
low
line
is,
is
one
great
example.
The
Low
Country
Rapid
Transit
is
another.
We
talked
about
what's
going
to
go
on
between
all
the
housing
authorities,
rad
red
Redevelopment,
especially
around
Gadsden,
green
and
West
Edge.
B
So
we
we
talked
about
how
those
are
real
time
line.
Hopefully,
big
big
undertakings
that
are
going
to
require
the
kinds
of
public
private
Partnerships
that
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
tap
into
in
order
to
improve
the
situations
here
for
on
whatever
topic
we're
talking
about.
But
we
don't
we,
we
have
not
like
taken
the
economic
empowerment
list
apart
and
said.
These
are
three
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
the
council
never
lets.
Go
of.
D
D
B
B
Reason
that
we
picked
the
three
that
we
did
first
is
we
knew
that
there
was
alignment
or
at
least
places
where
we
would
expect
alignment
for
the
topics
that
we
we've
already
begun
to
study.
You
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
about
history
and
culture
in
our
master
plan.
Maybe
I'm
wrong
about
that.
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
lot
about
internal
review.
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
about
Health
and
Welfare
in
terms
of
matching
with
the
recommendations
that
are
that
those
topics
were
given.
B
G
I
was
thinking
there
was
another
which
was
the
youth
in
education,
so
it
would
mean
so
it
looks
kind
of
like
we've
got
two
and
then
we'll
have
another
two
to
do
the
same
process
with,
because
I
think
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
I
would
hope,
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
overlapping
City
plan.
Once
we
get
into
Youth
and
education,
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
but
that
seems
to
be
well
I
I.
Consider
it
important.
So
that's
all
I
was
going
to
say.
D
I
Thank
you,
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
lost
on
The
Genesis
of
this
conversation,
but
I
think
I
get
that
it
was
sort
of
how
we're
going
to
go
through
each
one
of
these
topics
and
get
recommendations
and
then
package
them
back
together
and
bring
them
to
city
council,
which
I
do
think
by
the
way.
Is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
I
heard
the
word
someone
earlier
says:
Silo
I,
don't
like
that
word,
but
the
whole
idea
that
things
we've
compartmentalized.
I
But
it
seems
to
me
I
mean
it's
not
lost
somebody
that
housing
and
Mobility
were
lumped
together
and
for
very
much
intentionally
and
very
much
rightly
so,
particularly
if
we're
focusing
on,
among
other
things,
the
largest
scale
project
we've
ever
seen
in
South
Carolina
Low
Country
Rapid
Transit,
which
enormous
amount
of
the
resources
we're
putting
towards
that.
Have
nothing
to
do
with
mobility
in
and
of
the
itself?
It
has
to
do
with
how
Mobility
interacts
with
the
needs,
wants
and
desires
of
a
community
right
and
and
I
I.
I
I
want
to
use
our
department
of
traffic
and
transportation
and
our
planning
department
are
not
aligned
they're,
not
together
and
physically.
They
are
separated
by
as
much
land
on
the
peninsula
as
exists
to
put
between
two
departments,
and
if
you
think
about
what
we
do
in
the
city,
when
it
comes
to
mobility
and
traffic
and
transportation,
it
is
if
not
a
hundred
percent.
That
might
be
an
exaggeration,
but
it
is
at
least
98.5
percent
a
function
of
planning.
We
don't
pave
roads,
we
don't
build
roads,
but
we
do
a
lot
of
planning
and
strategizing.
I
So
those
two
departments,
naturally
to
me
not
only
should
be
communicating
better,
should
have
some
natural
Alliance
if
not
be
merged.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
I
think
that
we
on
this
commission
can
have
some
influence
over
and
then,
when
you
talk
about
health
disparities
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I've
we
look
at
all
the
time
we
see
the
map
is
the
help
by
ZIP
code.
Again
it
goes
back
to
access,
Mobility
housing
and
how
we
deal
with
all
that.
I
They
will
want
to
hear
it
so
I'm
going
to
keep
a
really
close
eye
on
this
internal
review
subject
when
it
comes
to
some
of
the
recommendations
that
this
commission
is
going
to
bring
to
city
council,
because
we
need
to
have
the
internal
structure
to
be
able
to
deal
with
it.
Does
that
make
any
sense
at
all?
Yes,
okay,.
E
Affordability
in
in
this
city
and
I
think
that
would
be
such
a
such
an
important
Legacy
for
this
for
this
commission
to
to
put
that
stuff
forward
that
it's
it's
good,
that
you
know
that's
sort
of
been
done
now.
It's
going
to
be
before
us
in
the
future,
get
some
more
things
before
us,
and
then
we
can
really
drill
down
on
the
onto
the
huge
topics
that
we
that
we
want
to
tackle,
which
I
think
that's,
probably
one
of
them.
B
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
support
Mike
in
saying
that
I,
don't
think
the
subcommittee
as
I
you
know,
observed
them
during
the
special
Commission
report
process
felt
empowered
to
do
the
kinds
of
you
know.
Moving
things
around
on
the
checkerboard
that
you're
that
you're
suggesting
so
I
think
that's
a
very
positive
way
of
giving
us
an
example.
A
Okay,
so
we
are
at
the
point
of
trying
to
reach
a
conclusion
at
consensus
or
moving
forward
on
the
history
and
culture
and
internal
review,
understanding
that
we're
going
to
take
on
the
other.
It
seemed
what
I
saw
from
nodding
of
heads.
We're
going
to
split
ourselves
into,
and
one
set
of
us
will
work
on
history
and
culture.
J
M
J
Set
that
expectation
for
my
fellow
Commissioners
that
does
require
a
separate
meeting
in
addition
to
this
meeting.
So
what
they
would
do
is
schedule
a
zoom
I'm,
not
sure
how
how
it
worked,
but
that
seemed
to
work
well
just
to
schedule
a
separate
Zoom,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
the
expectation
that
it's
not
going
to
happen
during
this
meeting.
It's
going
to
be
a
separate.
A
We
need
to
in
fact
have
a
set
expectations
for
ourselves
all
right
and
use
this
time
wisely
and
when
we
get
the
reports
that
progress
reports
assessment
back
from
subcommittees,
what
we
need
from
those
of
us
who
were
not
on
that
subcommittee
right
or
some
thoughts
about
you
know,
I've
got
this
question
I
want
you
know.
Why
aren't
we
talking
about
this?
You
know.
Why
is
it
that
there
we
may
not
decide
to
include
that,
but
at
least
those
thoughts
are
can
be
raised.
Financing.
L
H
G
J
D
D
A
D
D
A
A
A
G
A
Know
as
we're
as
we're
growing
and
learning
each
other's
skill
sets
I
mean
it
is
good
to
to
have
different
folks
doing
different
different
pieces.
It's
great
okay,
co-chair
sakron,
requested
that
we
have
a
conversation
about
the
Memphis
experience
and
what
that
might
mean
we
might
replace.
You
want
to
kick
that
off.
J
A
J
That
said,
I
could
not
chose
not
to
watch
the
video.
The
emails
that
I
received
I
think
are
important
to
have
that
discussion
and,
at
least
in
this
body
try
to
have
authentic,
honest
discussion.
One
of
the
emails
I
received
called
called
me
out
for
my
participation
during
the
social
unrest
that
we
had
in
June
of
2020
right
I
protested
in
the
afternoon.
J
You
know
50
year
old
white
man
that
hasn't
experienced
having
the
talk
with
your
child
African-American
child
about
what
happens
when
you
get
pulled
over
I
really
couldn't
answer
that
question.
I
did
have
a
good
conversation
with
Jerry
as
we
let
into
this,
but
I
think
it's
worthy
of
a
discussion
and
and
and
if
nothing
comes
up
tonight,
then
nothing
comes
of
it.
But
I
do
think
that
the
purpose
of
this
commission
is
to
have
some
of
these
honest
discussions
at
least
start
having
these
honest
discussions.
J
J
Where
was
the
outrage?
Is
it
because
they
were
African-American
police
officers
and
then
I've
also
heard
concerns
that
the
timeliness
in
this
this
the
urgency
that
folks
were
arrested
is
also
a
dynamic.
That
I
think
needs
to
be
discussed,
so
anyways
I
I
think
it's
it
was.
This
is
an
opportune
time
to
have
that
conversation
and
if
you
don't
feel
comfortable,
then
you
don't
feel
comfortable,
but
I
feel
like
this
is
the
the
opportunity
and
the
purpose
of
why
we're
here
so.
M
First,
before
I
get
started,
I
just
want
to
make
it
known
that
I'm,
a
black
person
I'm,
not
black
people,
so
I'm
speaking
for
myself.
Whenever
I
make
these
statements,
I
didn't
watch
the
video
either
I
can't
watch
the
video
after
it
gets
to
a
certain
point.
You
have
to
make
a
decision
if
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
protect
my
mental
health
at
that
point.
Going
forward.
M
M
Without
any
explanation,
outside
of
failure
to
change
lanes
situations
like
this,
the
George
Floyd
The
Tyree,
nickel
situation,
it
it
is
a
trigger
that
takes
you
to
a
place
that
you
don't
want
to
go
again.
It's
a
feeling
that
you
don't
want
to
have
to
experience
again
and
then
it
also
just
puts
it
into
a
certain
perspective
that
foreign,
both
of
my
situations,
could
have
ended
differently
right.
So
that
is
the
protection
of
my
mental
health
component
that
I'm
speaking
about
I.
Just
me
personally,
I
don't
want
to
go
to
that
dark
space.
M
M
M
We
we
sit
on
a
human
Affairs
and
racial
faciliation
commission.
That
is
only
two
black
people
in
the
room,
taking
nothing
to
get
away
from
anybody
else
in
the
room.
I'm
glad
that
you
guys
are
here,
but
you
know
it's
just
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
progression
and
like
get
past
some
of
these
issues
like
we,
we
have
to
be
open
and
honest
and
be
willing
to
get
uncomfortable.
M
G
A
So
if
I'm
being
asked
to
give
you
advice
about
what
to
say
back
to
your
constituents,
what
I
would
Echo
very
clearly
what
Alvin
said
in
terms
of
response,
the
collective
response
was
listening
to
the
parents
say:
let's
give
the
system
a
chance
to
work
the
movement,
the
firing,
the
indictments
of
all,
gave
States
right,
the
notion
of
outrage.
How
outrage
is
expressed,
it
can
be
done
in
different
forms,
right
and
perhaps
folks
need
to
understand
people
mourned
in
a
different
way.
A
People
respond
to
trauma
in
a
different
in
different
fashions,
because
you
don't
see
it
does
not
mean
that
there's
not
that
passion
another
way
of
looking
at
it
is
that
that
portion
of
the
African
descendant
community
in
Memphis,
which
has
had
tremendous
racial
trauma
over
time,
chose
to
say
we're
not
going
to
respond.
We're
not
going
to
ask
the
rest
of
the
community
to
respond.
A
A
In
addition
to
the
criminal
activity,
folks
are
saying:
let's
scan
the
system
a
chance
to
live
up
to
what
it
says.
It's
going
to
be
one
more
time
right,
as
opposed
to
responding
in
a
different
different
fashion.
We
think
I
think
folks
think
the
George
Floyd
situation
got
people's
attention
put
in
place,
some
procedural
changes
and
folks,
just
like
School
integration
right
and
all
those
things
that
have
have
occurred,
still
giving
the
system
a
chance
to
move
and
become
live
up
to
the
words.
A
E
E
This
these
incidents
are
the
outlier
most
negative
police
interactions
do
not
end
in
somebody
dying
that
when
they
do
I
think
we
should
take
that
opportunity
to
see
how
we
got
there
right
there
was.
These
officers
were
part
of
a
unit
called
the
Scorpion
unit
or
something
something
stupid.
I
see
this
I
mean
and
I'll
just
be
frank,
because
I
see
this
all
the
time
and
it
infuriates
me.
There
are
departments
in
our
community,
not
the
Charleston
Police
Department,
because
if
I
saw
it
I
would
call
it
out,
but
there
are
Community.
E
E
E
E
E
So
just
you
know
just
just
some
very
clear
things
that
I
see
that
so
need
to
change
and
thank
God.
Somebody
took
another
look
at
what
happened
here
found
other
camera
angles
found.
You
know
if
somebody
videoing
it
and
and
realized
that
a
crime
had
been
committed
here
by
a
lot
of
people.
Nobody
stepped
in
to
stop
it,
and
so
they
allowed
it.
G
B
B
That's
the
Baseline,
but
but
then
because
that
happened
so
quickly.
I
do
think
that
we
should
see
that
we
have
an
opportunity,
then
to
pursue
the
greater.
You
know,
issues
that
you
were
just
speaking
of
Stephen
that
this
this
this
system
is
still
rotten,
based
on
the
way
that
people
take
it
on
for
their
own
egos,
their
own.
You
know,
strokes
and
whatever
societal
upbringing
that
they've
been
led
to
think
that
they
can
have
that
kind
of
power
over
somebody's
life,
so
I
I
mean
I.
Think
again.
B
This
should
be
something
that
we
can
be
asking
of
our
what's
the
jccc
whatever.
That
committee
is
that
you
know
operates
on
all
of
that.
All
of
the
issues
that
around
the
county,
the
region
and
and
maybe
make
a
list
of
things
that
this
is
the
Baseline.
We're
really
glad
that
they
happened
here
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
use
because
that
doesn't
have
to
be
the
Battle
Cry
of
people
who
who
want
Justice.
B
We
can
go
on
to
this
other
segment
of
stuff
that
hardly
ever
makes
the
light
of
day,
because
we're
still
dealing
with
Are
the
officers
going
to
be
punished
and
is
you
know,
light
going
to
shine
in
on
what
really
happened
go
on
to
the
rottenness
and
the
and
the
and
the
just
the
whole
sense
of
empowerment
that
people
have
and
in
in
wrong
aspects
of
their
of
their
power,
their
Authority.
So
I
I
can't
really
express
it
very
well.
L
I
would
like
to
speak
Alvin
to
your
discussion
of
the
racial
makeup
of
the
committee
and
I.
Think
I
would
prefer
there
were
more
black
voices
on
this
commission
as
well.
I
also
think,
there's
an
advantage
to
the
makeup
that
we
have,
and
it
is
what
we
have
and
the
advantages
you
know
in
a
situation
like
Tyree
Nichols
death
and
you
know
all
of
the
ones
that
have
come
before
it.
L
H
Yeah
I
Jason
I
want
to
I
think
reinforce
especially
one
point
that
Jerry
made,
and
that
was
I
think
probably
two
main
factors
and
and
Darren
too
the
Swift
Justice.
That
happened.
You
know
with
the
officers
that
were
involved
that
was
critical,
I,
think
the
the
family,
the
mother
and
the
family
asking
for
everyone
to
give
time.
H
And
for
me
you
know
the
first
question
that
I
you
know
asked
myself
is
how
in
the
world
can
a
human
being
be
this
evil,
even
those
that
came
up
after
you
know,
and
basically
you
know,
I
I,
don't
know
if
they
were
called
or
just
came
upon
him
but
whatever,
but
it
was
terrible
and
for
me,
I
asked
myself,
you
know
how.
How
could
a
human
being
do
this
and
I
think
to
myself?
If
we,
as
human
beings
are
filled
with
good,
there
is
no
room
for
evil.
L
One
of
the
things
I
think
that
people
don't
realize
about
us
as
humans
is
that
we
are
very
much
products
of
our
environment
and
we're
influenced
by
other
people
in
a
way
that
we
don't
realize
that
we're
influenced
by
other
people
and
so
I.
Don't
think
that
those
men
who
beat
Tyree
Nichols
and
kicked
him
to
death
I,
don't
think
that
they
were
evil.
L
M
Yeah
it's
like
kind
of
like
saying
I
mean
if
we're
products
of
our
environment
and
if
there's
an
issue
and
if
we
keep
focusing
on
the
product
the
environment's
still
there,
it's
just
going
to
keep
producing
the
same
product.
So
I
agree
with
you
100
on
that
bonding
yeah.
We
we
need
to
focus
on
the
environment
of
pollution.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
yeah
I.
K
Was
just
going
to
say
it
it
or
how
we
can
think
about
our
own
City
and
our
own
Community?
You
know
we
need
to
be
looking
at
the
racial
bias
audit
of
our
police
department
and
how
far
we've
come
along,
because
whether
the
officers
are
are
black
white
brown
they're
in
the
system
and
they're
they're
being
formed
by
that
system,
and
we
as
a
body
need
to
be
examining
that
critically.
A
A
In
addition,
the
question
as
to
whether
or
not
when
the
Public
Safety
Committee
meets
next
Tuesday,
the
degree
to
which
questions
around
implementation,
the
speed
of
implementation
and
the
measures
that
the
department
is
looking
at
as
it
relates
to
the
spare
disparate
treatment,
which
may
not
be
the
result
of
bias,
but
it
is
aspired
and
how
do
you
deal?
How
are
you
addressing
that
becomes
important
in
terms
of
the
conversation
that
the
Public
Safety
Committee
needs
to
be
having
what
that
should
be?
A
F
J
I,
just
my
last
comment
is
I:
do
want
to
acknowledge
Alvin's
point
about
the
makeup
of
the
commission
and
I
think
not
acknowledging
that
as
chair
co-chair,
that
is
some
of
it.
We
have
I,
have
thought
about
personally
and
I.
Guess:
I
would
just
slightly
disagree
with
you
Bonnie
about
our
role
as,
as
is
some
of
the
white
Commissioners.
Ultimately,
what
I've
seen
through
the
special
commission
and
my
work
is
this
comes
down
to
power
and
our
ability
as
a
community,
to
recognize
that
I'm
willing
to
give
up
some
power.
J
So
as
long
as
this
commission
has
made
up
a
majority
of
white
folks
to
me
that
still
denotes
that
we
are,
we
and
I
say
we
as
a
community
are
unwilling
to
let
go
of
the
power.
I.
Don't
have
an
answer
to
that.
I
don't
know
so.
Part
of
this
is
as
a
challenge
for
us,
as
we
mature
as
a
commission
to
make
sure
that
we
could
increase
the
voices,
not
just
African-American
voices,
but
female
voices
on
the
commission
as
well
I
mean
is.
J
This
is
a
commission
about
diversity
and
inclusion
right,
but
also
one
of
the
things
we
missed
with
our
special
commission:
it's
not
just
racial
diversity
and
and
gender
diversity,
but
sexual
orientation
we've
missed
a
lot
of
this,
so
as
we
as
we
build
up
and
as
we
mature
I
think
this
is
something
to
keep
in
the
back
of
our
mind.
But
I
just
want
to
let,
for
the
record
fully
aware
of
the
makeup.
L
When
we
talk
about
structural
racism,
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
is
that
power
and
what
maintains
power
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
do
with
individual
bias.
It
has
to
do
with
how
a
system
is
structured,
and
so,
when
you
structure
the
commission,
so
that
there
is
somebody
from
each
district
on
the
commission,
it
creates
a
structural
bias
because
neighborhoods
are
segregated
and
when
my
councilman
Ross
Appel
called
me
and
said,
will
you
serve
on
this
commission?
L
I
immediately
said
yes
and
he
was
a
little
taken
aback
because
apparently
they
have
to
beg
a
lot
of
times
and
then
I
said,
wait
hold
on
I
think
this
should
be
a
black
woman.
You
know
in
this
place,
not
me,
and
he
said
our
district
is
97
white
and
so
we've
created
in
the
structure
of
how
Commissioners
are
appointed
to
this
commission,
something
that
creates
a
bias
and
that's
structural.
L
K
K
You
know
that
that
those
two
things
were
were
linked
and
I
think
we
we
do
need
to
be
thinking
about
diversity
and
inclusivity
and
representation
at
every
level,
because
that
is
going
to
also
go
a
long
way
to
creating
the
kind
of
holistic
and
integrated
Charleston
that
we
need
I
think
to
be
a
more
safe
and
healthy
City.
You
know
I
we
it's
not
about
just
like
how
many
police
can
we
put
on
the
streets
right,
which
I
think
is
sometimes
the
knee-jerk
reaction.
That's
not
always
going
to
be
the
right
solution.
A
And
thank
you
for
interesting
conversation.
I
think
we
got
to
know
a
little
bit
about
how
we
observe
and
share
I
would
point
out
that
the
Genesis
of
the
commission
started
out
of
the
apology
for
slavery,
not
an
analysis
of
gender
issues,
not
an
analysis
of
sexual
orientation
issues,
but
the
lack
of
work
being
done
to
address
the
apology
for
slavery.
A
Our
conversation
and
the
even
the
name
of
the
commission
speaks
to
again
the
question
of
power
right
and
that
Century
putting
at
the
center
of
the
work
the
question
of
the
legacy
of
enslavement,
Jim,
Crow
and
the
like,
and
what
can
the
city
do
to
ameliorate,
eliminate,
okay,
those
messages
in
the
interest
of
moving
forward
to
being
the
most
productive,
successful
and
wonderful
place
to
live
that
everybody
in
the
city
wants
and
I?
Think
it's
it's
important.
A
The
conversation
about
the
composition,
you
start
from
where
the
conversation
started
to
where
we
are
now.
Let's
speak
to
you
should
be
seen
as
a
measure
of
progress
or
lack
thereof,
as
we
move
forward.
So
I
think
it's
good
that
we
put
that
on
the
record
and
had
that
conversation
and
trying
to
determine
how
we
can
use
our
power
and
responsibility
to
move
that
forward
to
change
that.