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City of Charleston Commission on Equity, Inclusion, and Racial Conciliation 12/22/20
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A
A
A
We
went
out
to
asheville
maryville
last
week
was
me
councilman,
shaheed
and
waring
and
in
dudley.
You
would
probably
know
this
there's
a
park
that
we're
developing
out.
That
way,
that's
been
in
the
works,
but
they're
gonna
break
ground
very
soon
and
then
there's
a
fraternity,
a
black
fraternity.
That's
you
know,
obviously
very
popular
across
the
us,
but
has
a
membership
here
in
charleston
and
they
want
to
put
a
memorial
or
plaque
out
at
the
park.
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B
B
C
A
C
C
I
don't
know,
can
we
need
a
second
a
second
second?
Okay.
We
got
a
second
from
alvin,
because
you
can't
do
both
moved
and
properly
seconded
that
we
accept
the
minutes
as
information
as
submitted
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
aye,
aye,
aye,
okay,
oppose
okay,
the
eyes
have
it,
I'm,
assuming
that
we
still
have
our
seven
on
the
phone.
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C
C
C
It's
been
a
number
of
years,
since
the
apology
for
slavery
and
jim
crow
and
the
city
continues
its
quest
for
equal
humanity.
The
the
city
has
relocated.
The
calvin
statue
provides
funding.
Substantial
funding
to
the
international
african-american
museum
is
doing
the
same
for
the
mother
emanuel
memorial,
I'm.
C
But
even
further
and
more
recently,
council
member
robert
mitchell
will
be
introducing
a
resolution
denouncing
hate
groups
in
the
city
of
charleston.
So
we'll
be
going
a
bit
beyond
the
hate
crime
resolution
and
recommendations
to
putting
out
an
additional
revolution
resolution,
reaffirming
the
city's
commitment
to
hate
crimes
and
and
hate
groups.
C
And
it's
very
important
for
me
to
talk
about
our
mission.
As
a
commission-
and
I
said
all
those
things
before,
just
to
give
sort
of
some
background
our
backdrop
to
what
we're
doing
after
maybe
right
after
the
the
apology
for
slavery,
the
city
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
that
apology
was
something
that
was
living
and
breathing.
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C
One
of
the
other
issues
is
90
days
is
not
enough
time.
Okay
to
get
anything
accomplished
after
discussions
with
the
mayor,
he
agrees,
but
at
the
end
of
that
90-day
period,
which
I
think
is
sometime
around
the
end
of
january,
he
would
like
an
interim
report
not
a
status
report,
but
an
interim
report
from
each
one
of
the
subcommittees
so
that
he
can
have
an
opportunity
to
review
them
and
an
opportunity
to
comment
and
make
suggestions
accordingly.
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Distractions
distractions
cannot
be
tolerated
by
this
commission
and
when
I
say
distractions,
I'm
simply
talking
about
outside
activities
that
may
have
a
negative
impact
or
impression
on
the
work
that
we
do.
We
cannot
allow
that
to
happen
by
any
of
our
members
or
any
of
our
subcommittee
members
as
well,
because
we
have
too
much
work
to
do
and
I'd
like
to
take
the
opportunity.
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Lastly,
and
to
thank
everyone
who
has
been
working
on
this
commission,
I'd
like
to
take
a
special
shout
out
to
amber
who
is
managing
at
this
point,
seven
subcommittees,
as
well
as
the
commission
and
a
whole
host
of
other
things.
She
is
the
glue
that
is
keeping
this
together
and,
as
you
look
at
the
membership
of
the
commission,
you
will
find
that
our
membership
represents
every
segment
of
our
operation,
and
that
was
purposeful.
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D
Well,
I
I
did
hear
a
good
bit
of
that.
Thank
you,
councilmember
gregory
for
reciting,
all
that
and
the
meaning
of
why
we're
all
here
and-
and
so
I
also
want
to
hear
at
the
end
of
the
year,
wish
my
thanks
to
everyone
and
holiday
happy
holiday
season
coming
up
regarding
the
date.
But
could
I
propose
maybe
an
appropriate
date
to
have
an
interim
report
in
it
can
be
as
close
to
final
as
as
possible.
That's
fine!
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A
D
Being
able
to
to
give
us
the
opportunity
to
look
through
the
recommendations
that
you'll
have
and
I'll
I'll
go
further
and
suggest
that
you
know
if
we
could
shoot
by
the
end.
I
don't
want
to
stretch
this
thing
out
a
long
time,
councilmember
gregory
indicated
a
little
more
time
was
was
appropriate
if,
if
we
could
shoot
to
get
a
final
report
by
the
end
of
february,
I
certainly
think
I
hope
that
would
be
enough
time.
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So
I
wasn't
really
prepared
for
statements
such
as
councilmember
gregory,
just
made
or
or
at
length
at
such
length,
but
it
just.
I
must
share
with
you
it.
It
reminded
me
of
a
moment
in
my
own
quest
of
enlightenment.
If
you
were,
if
you
will,
I
mean
I've
always
considered
myself
a
pretty
socially
conscious
and
and
tried
to
be
enlightened
and
tolerant,
open-minded
individual.
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E
A
A
I
wasn't
on
last
week's
call
I
was
I
was
having
a
medical
procedure,
so
I
missed
it,
but
I
do
want
to
say
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
on
the
commission
for
your
continued
work
in
focused
work
and
staying
focused
on
on
the
task
at
hand,
and
the
two
things
I
do
want
to
mention
are
you
know
the
previous
two
weeks
in
terms
of
messaging
in
terms
of
what
what
occurred
you
know.
Hopefully
you
all
understand
where
I'm
coming
from
I've
been
very
clear
to
the
public.
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A
So
I
don't
want
us
to
be
distracted
by
the
the
the
folks
that
are
going
to
distract
us
and
try
to
distract
us,
and
I
think
what
dudley
was
alluding
to
is
and
we'll
get
to
that
part
of
the
agenda
is
within
our
own
commission.
I
feel
we
have
voices
that
will
derail
our
efforts
and
we
cannot
buy
into
that.
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A
I
think
this
work
will
continue
and
that's
that's
all
I
wanted
to
mention.
I
just
want
to
echo
councilman
gregory
as
as
well
about
where
we
are
the
hard
work
that
amber's
put
in.
I
have
to
say,
you
know
amber
you
you've,
it's
always
been
there.
You
know
that
that
leadership
has
always
been
there,
but
I
really
feel
like
the
past
three
weeks
or
four
weeks.
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F
F
So
I
thought
it
was
important
for
us
to
set
some
expectations
for
each
other
moving
forward
and
talk
about
some
norms
and
agreements
for
the
group,
and
so
I'd
like
for
us
to
go
through
them
and
then
suggest
any
revisions
or
additions
and
discuss.
If
this
is
something
that
we
can
agree
upon
as
a
group
as
something
that
we
would
like
to
adopt.
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Okay,
so
our
first
agreement
would
be
to
stay
engaged.
We
agreed
to
listen
to
each
other
without
distraction.
We
are
committed
to
remaining
emotionally,
intellectually
and
socially
involved
in
the
dialogue.
Second,
one
is
speak,
your
truth.
Knowing
it's
only
part
of
the
truth,
we
agree
to
speak
our
truth
and
to
be
willing
to
take
risk.
We
will
be
honest
with
our
thoughts,
feelings
and
opinions.
We
will
not
say
merely
what
we
perceive
others
want
to
hear
experience
discomfort.
F
We
agree
to
experience
some
discomfort
because
we
understand
that,
in
order
to
engage
in
meaningful
conversations
about
race
and
inequity,
there
will
be
times
when
we
are
uncomfortable
notice,
power
dynamics
in
the
room.
We
agreed
to
be
aware
of
how
we
use
our
privilege,
for
example,
our
titles
and
our
positions
be
conscious
and
conscience.
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Conscientious
speakers,
we
agree
to
be
conscious
and
conscientious,
conscientious
of
our
use
of
time
when
we
are
speaking
and
will
strive
to
maintain
a
balance
between
speaking
listening
and
reflecting
focus
on
changing
systems.
We
agree
to
acknowledge
the
systemic
nature
of
racism
and
collectively
work
to
dismantle
institutional
and
systemic
racism
be
kind
and
brave.
We
agree
to
be
specific
with
our
language
and
ask
others
for
clarifications
when
they
use
vague
terms,
we
will
use
our
language
in
ways
that
build
bridges
invitation
for
laughter.
We
agreed
to
laugh
and
have
fun
together.
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G
Hey
amber
this
is
crystal.
I
think
these
are
really
good
and
it
it
also
speaks
to
a
lot
of
what
has
already
been
said
and
shared
if
you
could
scroll
back
up
just
a
little
bit
where
be
conscious.
Okay,
ups
a
little
bit
more
yeah
right
there,
so
the
speaking
your
truth
part
and
the
experiencing
discomfort.
I
think
those
are
ones
and
I'll
speak
for
myself,
that
that
needs
to
sit
with
me
and
also
you
know
us
all
on
the
commission,
because
you
know
we.
G
We
all
know
the
last
two
weeks
have
been
uncomfortable
but,
like
I've
been
saying
to
folks,
I've
been
uncomfortable
for
38
years.
So
when
we
talk
about
racism
and
what
I
say
or
what
amber
says
or
what
jason
sachar
may
say,
may
not
sound
or
feel
nice.
But
if
that's
me
speaking
my
truth,
then
you
know.
G
If,
if
it's
something
that
requires
a
sidebar
conversation,
then
we
have
to
be
comfortable
enough
to
acknowledge
that
and
say
that,
because
oftentimes,
my
truth
may
not
be
amber's
truth
or
velvet's
truth,
but
our
words
may
make
each
other
feel
uncomfortable.
But
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
speak.
That
and
then
work
on
that
together
so
that
we
can
better
understand
each
other.
So
so,
but
I
appreciate
you
putting
those
within
the
norms.
H
Yeah
crystal
real,
quick
and
just
piggybacking
off
of
what
you
said.
I
always
try
to
tell
people
that
you
know.
Speaking
of
truth
like
whenever
somebody
speaks
their
truth,
don't
take
it
personal
right
whenever
somebody
takes
it
personal,
that's
when
the
conversation
tends
to
go
in
every
direction
outside
of
the
actual
subject
matter
that
we're
trying
to
you
know
solve
so,
whatever
somebody's
speaking
like
just
don't
take
it
personal,
just
take
it
for
whatever
it
is
and
just
continue
to
engage.
So
just
just
don't
take
it
personal.
G
Right
and
we
can't
do
this
work
without
building
relationships,
so
you
know
for
and
and
I'll
just
be
transparent,
like
I've
spoken
to
jason
on
several
occasions,
and
we
have
you
know
what
I
said-
I'm
just
I'm
just
saying
off
the
cuff.
This
is
what's
on
my
mind,
and
this
is
what
I'm
thinking
and
you
know
he
he
takes
it
for
what
it
says,
but
if
he
needs
clarity
he
asks,
but
that's
about
about
the
process
right
about.
This
is
the
systemic
racism
and
understanding
the
powers
that
are
in
the
room.
G
I
know
I've
spoken
to
councilman,
dudley
and
other
individuals
about
different
conversations
that
I've
had
with
different
folks
in
the
who
may
not
feel
comfortable
coming
well,
you
know
I'm
here
my
my
contact
information
is
available
online.
They
may
not
feel
comfortable
just
coming
to
you,
so
sometimes
we
have
to
come
to
them
and
hear
their
truth,
which
may
not
be
what
we
see
or
feel
and
and
that's
part
of
the
systemic
work.
E
That's
okay,
crystal
I'm
vice
chair
of
the
criminal
justice
reform
senate
and
for
michael,
so
I
am
not
technically
a
council
member
but
I'll
speak.
My
truth
from
the
perspective
of
these
suggested
agreements
are
important,
but
you've
got
to
we've
got
to
drive
it
down
to
all
the
members
of
the
council.
E
E
I
I
Yeah
not
a
problem
at
all,
so
just
from
hearing
what
crystal
and
alvin
just
had
to
share,
I
actually
made
notes
of
two
I
would
like
for
the
commission
to
consider,
so
one
is
to
think
higher
of
one
another.
I
think.
Sometimes,
when
we
talk
about
race,
racism,
discrimination,
we
immediately
believe
that
your
thoughts
are
your
truth
is
coming
from
an
illinois
place
when
we
wouldn't
be
on
this
commission.
I
If
we
weren't
committed
to
that
vision
right
and
so
if
someone
says
something
that
you
don't
agree
with,
or
you
found
malicious
think
higher
of
that
person
and
know
that
that
was
not
their
intent.
Instead,
they
just
wanted
to
give
some
feedback.
That
may
not
agree
with
what
you
said
or
what
you
think.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
place
to
be
in
relationship
with
anyone
and
then
the
second
I
had
was
listen
with
validation.
I
I
think
so
often,
if
we
don't
share
the
experience
of
the
speaker,
then
we're
already
thinking
of
a
rebuttal
or
an
appeal
to
what
they
just
said.
So
listen
with
validation,
whatever
you
say
is
your
truth
is
indeed
true
to
you
and
so
a
part
of
that.
I
need
to
respect
as
your
experience
and
layer
that,
with
my
own
experience
without
so
that
you
don't
feel
disregarded
in
this
often
murky
conversation.
B
G
B
F
D
F
B
H
B
C
F
F
So
I
would
appreciate,
if
you
guys,
can
continue
to
do
that.
We
have
until
december
30th,
to
make
to
post
on
the
discussion
boards
any
questions
for
dr
owens
and
with
that
we've.
I've
also
discussed
with
the
co-chair
looking
for
some
additional
training
for
the
group,
so
we're
still
looking
into
that
and
looking
for
opportunities
for
learning
going
forward.
F
C
C
You
know,
as
I've
been
talking
to
amber
about
it,
I
mean
I
think
the
training
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
at
least
be
talking
the
same
language
so
that
when
we
say
the
word
equity,
we
all
know
what.
That
means.
When
we
say
the
word
intentional
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
where
we
all
know
what
that
means,
as
it
relates
to
what
we're
doing.
So,
I
think
the
trainings
training
is
very,
very
important
at
this
point.
G
F
C
G
G
I
think
it
was
something
that
needed
to
happen
and
be
put
on
display
and
discussed,
because
that's
that's
that's
a
concern
I
mean.
If
we're.
If
the
commission
is
in
place
to
work
on
and
eliminate
systemic
racism,
then
we
have
to
be
willing
to
have
those
uncomfortable
conversations
which
was
not
necessarily
a
distraction.
It
was
just
something
that
needed
to
be
discussed
and
addressed,
and
I,
I
think,
also
I'm
kind
of,
and
initially
when
we
started.
G
I
know
prior
to
our
initial
meeting,
we
had
talked
about
okay,
all
of
us
going
through.
You
know,
training
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
so
that
we
all
know
you
know
what
levels
of
anti-racism
work
or
training
that
we've
all
been
involved
in
right
and
as
far
as
the
norms.
I'm
glad
we're
you
know
implementing
them.
G
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
intentional
spaces
where
we're
either
in
caucuses.
Having
conversations
in
dialogue
or
whether
we're
collectively
having
conversations
a
lot,
there's
one
thing
to
type
it
out
and
share
what
you're
thinking,
but
not
everybody
is
a
visual
learner
like
I,
I
have
to
engage
so
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
intentional
with
those
types
of
things
as
we
move
forward.
B
G
Is
you
have
spaces
where
you
have
the
collective
body
right,
but
then
you
break
off
into
caucuses,
whether
it's
by
age,
whether
it's
by
race
or
ethnicity,
to
actually
have
smaller
conversations
to
go
a
little
bit
deeper,
because
we
know
that
when
we're
in
rooms
or
spaces
with
people
that
we're
comfortable
with,
we
may
say
a
little
bit
more
and
share
a
little
bit
more,
which
would
empower
us
to
speak
a
lot
more
when
we're
in
the
larger
group
per
se.
So
what
usually
happens?
G
Is
you
have
the
collective
group
in
an
overall
training
space?
Then
you
would
break
off
into
caucuses
and
have
different
discussions.
Talk
about
different.
You
know,
focus,
questions
or
whatnot,
and
then
you
would
come
back
and
have
a
larger
discussion
on
top.
So
it's
like
a
building.
You
know
like
an
intentional
building
space
right,
because
conversations
around
race
and
equity
are
not
easy.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not.
C
A
G
C
A
Thank
you
crystal
and
everyone
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
that
you
know
the
the
the
recognition
that
councilman
gregory
and
myself
and
amber
have
had
about
not
doing
some
of
the
training
in
the
front
end.
We
we.
We
acknowledge
that
and
that's
something
that
you
know
as
we
monday
morning,
quarterback
this
and
think
through
it.
You
know
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
re-engage
in
it,
and
I
think
that
speaks
to
to
the
trainings
that
amber
wants
to
do
so.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
of
that
that
we
acknowledged
you
know
that
was
an
improvement
for
us.
I
think
the
other
piece
that
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
and
I've
shared
this
with
the
mayor
is
you
know.
Zoom
has
been
wonderful
in
terms
of
efficiency,
but
it
is
not
a
a
substitute
for
real
engagement
in
in
person
and
it's
in
its
and
I'll
just
say.
A
As
a
council
new
council
member,
it's
been
very
difficult
as
a
new
council
member
to
to
build
alliances
and
build
trust
with
fellow
council
members
when
we've
been
in
this
zoom
era.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
we
have
to.
We
should
acknowledge
that
that
that's
been
a
challenge
for
the
commission
as
well.
F
B
Would
breakout
rooms
present
an
issue
for
foia
simply
because
you
cannot
broadcast
what
goes
on
in
a
breakout
room
on
zoom,
because
I
you
know,
I
do
zoom
for
work
with
my
students
and
when
you
go
into
the
breakout
rooms,
whatever
is
being
recorded,
only
the
group
settings
being
recorded,
nothing
in
the
breakout
rooms
is
and
that
it's
just
a
question
I
have
I
I
totally
agree.
Breakout
rooms
are
necessary.
B
F
That
was
part
of
the
issue
with
the
the
very
first
training
that
that
was
done
by
dr
owens
was
she
wanted
to
do
breakout
sessions,
but
we
didn't
have
the
there's
no
capability
to
record
in
those
those
rooms.
So
it's
something
that
we're
definitely
been
talking
about
and
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
break
this
group
into
smaller
groups
so
that
we
can
meet
and
have
those
kinds
of
conversations
as
far
as
training.
So
we
can
have
those
deeper
conversations.
A
C
The
other
obstacle
that
we
have
is
making
sure
that
we
don't
have
a
quorum
of
city
council
members
in
a
session
or
a
quorum
of
commissioners
in
a
session.
So
there
are
a
number
of
issues,
dr
knight,
that
we're
going
to
have
to
address
as
we
move
forward
and
and
attempt
to
accommodate
what
I
think
is
extremely
necessary
in
terms
of
caucusing
in
the
smaller
groups
that
commissioner,
crystal
has
been
talking
about.
I
think
that's
important,
but
we
have
a
few
little
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with
before.
E
I
think
some
of
the
organizations,
some
of
the
sub
units
and
some
of
the
community
groups
will
be
at
a
different
point
on
that
continuum,
and
I
would
like
an
urge
perhaps
at
a
future
conversation
at
the
the
commission.
Take
a
look
at
that
continuum
perhaps
admit.
Excuse
me,
it
may
not
be
precisely
the
right
continuum,
but
I
think
it
does
provide
a
a
framework
for
looking
at
where
any
of
the
we
are
in
any
of
the
youth
of
the
subcommittee
and
also
allows
over
time
when
we
make
recommendations.
E
The
consideration
of
where
are
we
are
we
simply
being
compliance,
because
we,
you
know,
we
can
check
the
box
with.
We
did
the
training
and
we
recruited
folks
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
the
philosophy
is
not
one
of
real
inclusion
and
the
most
difficult
thing,
I
think,
is
a
question
of
racial
reconciliation.
F
B
My
first
question
is:
what
should
the
format
of
that
report
be?
Is
there
a
specific
outline
that
we
should
follow?
Should
it
be
in
the
form
of
a
resolution
or
a
set
of
resolutions?
Should
it
be?
Is
there
a
an
example
of
similar
sorry
about
the
noise
similar
reports
that
other
commissions
have
put
forward
that
we
could
utilize
that's
bath
time
for
all
everybody
out
there
in
the
universe.
B
C
The
one
that
really
stuck
out
in
my
mind,
however,
was
the
one
that
was
submitted
by
the
criminal
justice
subcommittee,
and
what
made
that
went
a
little
different
to
me
was
that
they
made
it
fairly,
simple.
Okay,
they
identified
what
they
felt
were
the
the
systemic
discriminatory
issue
and
from
that
they
went
to
a
specific
either
provision
or
ordinance
of
which
they
thought
was
promoting
systemic
discriminatory
patterns
and,
as
a
result,
they
made
recommendations
with
regard
to
what
we
should
do
with
that
particular
ordinance.
C
Okay,
so
I
thought
that
their
format
was
just
very
simple,
very
clear.
Okay,
this
is
the
systemic
problem
we
identified.
Okay,
this
is
the
the
tool
of
the
mechanism
that
is
causing
it,
and
these
are
recommendations
to
get
rid
of
it.
A
little
different
with
yours,
though
felice,
okay
and
it'll,
be
different
with
many,
many
others,
okay,
because
it's
not
that
clean
cut
that
you
that
you
can
do
that.
C
As
for
resolutions,
I
don't
think
that
the
the
your
final
report
should
be
in
the
form
of
a
resolution.
However,
your
final
report
may
make
recommendations
for
resolutions
on
a
specific
resolution
for
a
specific
idea
or
action.
Okay,
so
the
whole
report
should
not
be
in
the
form
of
a
resolution,
so
with
what
we
will
commit
to
you.
Okay,
is
to
send
out
to
the
commission
and
the
subcommittee-
and
you
know
this
is
my
co-chair.
C
C
So
we've
we've
heard
you
I
mean
this
is
something
that
councilman
saccharin
our
commit
court.
Sacrament
has
been
talking
about
now
for
a
number
of
weeks.
Okay,
so
it's
just
time
for
us
to
get
that
out
to
you,
but
it
was
good
to
just
get
a
sense
from
each
group
who
submitted
their
status
report
on
the
direction
that
they
were
going.
B
J
C
C
C
K
I
I'm
just
thank
you.
I
appreciate
listening
to
y'all's
good
questions
and
I
guess
I
I'm
more
of
an
art
than
a
science
person.
So
I
in
listening
to
you
I
I
would
not
hope
that
a
format
will
stifle
the
creativity
that
you
know.
I
think
we
are
knowing
in
our
hearts
is
going
to
come
through
the
subcommittees,
especially
if
we're
going
to
then
have
some
iterative
process
that
begins
on
january
20th
and
goes
back
and
forth
into
february.
K
You
know
helping
to
strengthen
the
recommendations
or
provide
feedback
or
whatever
it
is
that
councilmember
gregory
is
suggesting,
you
know,
will
be
the
contribution
of
the
overall
commission,
commission
writing
team
or,
however,
that's
going
to
play
out.
So
I
I
personally
if
I
were,
if
I
were
doing
this,
I
would
say
air
on
the
side
of
being
as
original
and
heartfelt
as
you
possibly
can.
A
C
G
C
B
C
L
F
C
C
All
right
so
we'll
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
I
agree
with
you.
There
needs
to
be.
This
is
getting
back
to
commissioner
jackson's
issue.
There
is
a
need
to
be
some
and,
and
commissioner
knight,
there
needs
to
be
some
open
dialogue
among
these
chairmans
with
regard
to
not
just
their
but
each
other's
report.
L
Well,
yeah
yeah.
I
was
just
waiting
to
be
recognized.
That's
all.
Actually,
I
think
dr
knight,
mr
chairman,
asked
a
question
about
operating
procedures
in
the
committee.
One
was
when
you
were
explaining
about
once
a
person's
spoke.
You
recognize
somebody
else.
First,
I
don't
think
you
answered
that
question,
but
dr
knight,
that's
the
way
we
do
it
on
council
and
I
would
agree
with
you.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
been
the
rule
on
this
committee,
but.
E
C
C
Okay,
as
a
chairman,
because
you
hadn't
been
heard,
I
would
give
you
that
opportunity,
even
if
that
person's
hand
was
up
before
yours,
it's
just
it's
just
a
way
on
council,
okay,
that
we
allow
everyone
to
have
an
opportunity
to
say
something
and
that
that
that
that
that's,
the
only
intent
that
that
was
there
for
it's,
not
shutting
anyone
down
at
all.
It's
just
giving
everyone
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
a
specific
topic.
B
B
G
C
C
A
C
B
C
L
You
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
is
we're
talking
about
subcommittees
funneling
up
their
reports,
obviously
to
the
commission
and
I'm
wondering
how
does
a
subcommittee
grasp
what
may
be
systemic
discrimination
in
the
city
process
if
they're
not
really
familiar
with
the
city
process,
and
let
me
give
an
example
to
many
commission
members.
L
South
carolina
in
general
is
a
state.
That's
run
by
boards
and
commission
you'd
be
shocked
at
how
powerful
these
boards
and
commissions
are,
in
some
cases
over
above
the
elected
person.
It's
the
same
thing
with
the
city
of
charleston.
The
city
of
charleston
has
a
number
of
boards
and
commissions
and
once
appointed
to
those
boards
and
commissions,
those
people
make
decisions
that
can
affect
lifestyles
and
certainly
economics.
I
would
say
economics
first
and
then
sometimes
lifestyles,
next
and
a
lot
of
our
boards
and
commissions
even
to
the
day,
still
have
token
representation.
L
In
other
words,
token
african-american
representation,
part
of
that
in
the
mayor's
problem
or
all
the
council
problems
you'd,
be
surprised,
sometimes
how
hard
it
is
to
get
people
to
volunteer
on
these
boards
and
commissions,
because
somewhat
like
this
one
that
those
bills
and
commissions,
it's
actually
a
lot
of
work
involved,
there's
no
compensation,
but
I
think
we
need
the
help
of
this
commission
to
try
to
have
more
inclusion
on
those
committees.
I
I
I
happen
to
be
the
planning
commission.
L
I
can't
tell
you
how
powerful
that
board
or
the
board
of
of
zoning
appeals
the
border
zoning
appeals
or
the
bar.
Those
boards
can
determine,
in
some
cases,
wealth
whether
wealth
occurs
or
not,
and
I
don't
see
how
and
I'm
hopeful
through
this
process,
these
boards
and
commissions
can
be
scrutinized
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
this
not
only
are
those
boards
and
commissions
powerful,
but
and
oftentimes
they're,
backed
up
by
a
community
organization
which
has
influenced
them
their
own
self.
L
We
have
some
laws
on
the
books,
the
south,
the
city
charleston
goes
back
to
jim
crow
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
hard
it
is
to
defeat
those
laws.
Okay
and
again,
most
of
those
laws,
empower
the
those
committees
and
empower
those
committees
beyond
your
elected
officials.
I'll
give
an
example:
let's
say,
mr
johnson,
who
has
an
engineering
business
and
he
wants
to
build
an
office
building
on
a
piece
of
property
that
he
owns.
That's
not
zoned
what
he
wants
to
do.
L
L
L
L
That's
achievable,
but
I
have
been
doing
business
in
the
city
of
charleston
since
1982
as
a
small
business
version.
I
have
yet
to
see
a
woman
owned
african
american
latino
owned
business,
lose
at
that
bza
border
zoning
appeals
and
been
able
to
appeal
to
circuit
court
and
defeat
the
city
of
charleston.
I've
seen
majority
businesses
do
that.
I
have
not
seen
now.
Why
can't
that
appeal?
Instead
of
going
directly
to
court,
come
to
your
elected
body
at
least
have
another
hearing
in
front
of
the
people?
L
You
have
a
right
to
keep
in
office
or
get
out
of
office,
but
that's
the
structure
that's
in
place.
I
don't
particularly
think
that's
right,
but
that's
just
one
person's
opinion.
I
would
like
to
have
the
opinion
of
the
subcommittees
that
would
look
at
that
or
this
whole
commission.
That
would
look
at
that.
Planning
and
zoning
creates
wealth
in
america.
L
L
It
had
to
get
re-zoned
to
limited
business
to
do
what
we
wanted
done,
but
for
that
rezoning,
the
offices
of
dr
mahali,
dr
ferguson,
the
law
office
of
arthur
mcfarland,
antonio
neal,
the
cardiologist
with
dr
masondet
and
obviously
our
financial
advisory
firm,
would
not
be
him.
We
may
be
someplace
else,
but
we
won't
be
here
because
we
couldn't
would
have
had
the
right
to
do
it.
L
L
I
won't
the
phrase
I'm
gonna
use
is
walking
around
that,
but
then
I
don't
mean
to
be
insulting
with
that.
We
don't
even
you
all,
don't
even
know
that.
That's
a
problem,
I
don't
think
you
know
that's
a
problem,
and
some
of
that
is
because
I
think
it
should
have
been
more
of
an
orientation
between
those
on
council
and
and
committee
members
to
say
what
are
some
of
the
problem
areas.
As
you
see
it.
L
C
We
do
have
a
subcommittee
that
will
be
doing
the
the
internal
looks.
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
whether
or
not
boards
and
commissions
are
included,
but
I
think
after
this
discussion
that
you
just
raised
it's
something
that
the
appropriate
commissioner
needs
to
take
into
account,
but
then
one
of
the
operating
principles
that
the
subcommittees
are
under
is
they
know
that
the
problems
out
here
are
huge
and
large
and
bigger
than
them,
and
instead
of
trying
to
get
to
all
of
them,
they've
been
trying
to
focus
on
on
a
few.
C
So
I
I'm
with
you
on
that
and
when,
when
appel
starts,
we
know
his
focus
is
going
to
be
on
zoning.
We
know
that
okay
and
so
again,
I
think
that
that
we
bring
we
meaning
some
of
the
the
I
hate
to
say
older
folks,
but
some
of
these
people
of
our
generation,
okay,
as
a
better
term,
can
bring
that
kind
of
information
to
the
various
subcommittees
for
working
on,
and
I
think
that's
just
a
part
of
our
responsibility
as
a
commissioner.
L
I
follow
one
thing
and
I
won't
dominate
too
much
time
on
this
follow-up.
For
example,
mr
johnson
has
been
in
a
small
business
in
this
area
and
have
tried
to
do,
for
example,
business
with
the
county,
the
various
cities
around
I'm
sure
he
has
an
experience
to
bring
to
say
when
I
tried
to
do
this,
you
know.
Maybe
this
was
the
door
wasn't
open
to
the
left
or
the
right.
Some
of
these
other,
the
combination
of
the
as
you
refer
the
younger
folk
and
the
older
folk.
L
I
think
it's
powerful,
but
you're
right
that
exchange
of
information.
I
I
don't
see
that
happening.
I
have
to
take
place,
so
we
could
drill
down
on
the
specifics
to
come
back
and,
for
example,
our
procurement
system
with
the
city.
If
you
were
outside
trying
to
come
in,
I
bet
you
have
a
different
opinion
of
it
than
then
we.
L
C
L
C
C
It
happens
during
the
subcommittee
meetings
and
the
subcommittees
have
been
meeting
like
almost
weekly
I've
tied
in
too
many
commissioner
jackson
has
been
tying
in
to
some
of
them
and
I
know
you've
been
having
discussions
with
some
of
the
chairmans
as
well,
and
I
just
think
that
we
just
need
to
do
more.
Of
that.
C
C
K
C
J
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
reply
to
councilman
wearing
to.
Basically
we
do
want
to
bring
you
into
our
subcommittee
meeting.
We
did
have
councilman
appel
come
on
at
one
point
to
talk
about
zoning,
and
we
definitely
want
to
bring
you
in
to
talk
more
about
your
perspective
on
your
basically
bringing
in
that
intergenerational
knowledge
that
you
have
to
move
us
forward,
so
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
you
and
gonna
get
you
on
our
schedule
as
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
C
Okay,
I
think
so
too,
because
crystal
has
been
talking
about
that
as
well.
I
mean
crystal
brought
forward
the
the
opportunity
for
the
kellogg
grant
well
two
three
weeks
ago.
I
think
we
talked
about
it
and
had
some
ideas,
so
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we,
if
folks,
who
want
to
work
on
the
grant
a
little
more
directly,
please
let
amber
know
that's
as
simple
as
I
can
put
that
okay
alvin
did
you
have
something.
H
Not
no,
I
didn't.
I
was
actually
about
to
ask
the
same
question
that
crystal
did
a
while
ago,
but
jason
actually
threw
something
out
there
not
too
long
ago,
when
I
asked
about
the
like
90
days.
I
just
want
to
have
that
conversation
at
like
some
point
in
time
and
see
what
it
looks
like
past
90
days
and
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
some
of
us,
that's
involved
to
be
part
of
some
type
of
mechanism
or
process
or
accountability
arm.
C
A
And
alvin
and
the
rest
of
the
chairs.
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
all
to
make
that
part
of
your
my
recommendations
that
this
work
must
continue
and
it
should
look
like
x,
y
and
z,
and
I
think
that
that's
going
to
go
a
long
way.
But
I
think
you've
got
my
commitment
and
I
think
you've
got
dudley's
commitment
to
to
get
this
work.
To
continue
with
this
work
and
that's
the
most
important
piece.
So.
C
C
L
C
C
Yeah
initially
we
we
did
some
administrative
and
we
did
say
that
there
is.
There
are
funds
in
the
220,
the
2021
budget,
specifically
for
the
mission
and
its
work,
and
we
also
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
ongoing
commitment
from
the
city
with
respect
to
staffing.
This
effort,
you
know
which
is
funding
as
as
as
well
and,
of
course,
you
know
the
backbone
of
all
this,
all
the
volunteers,
okay,
who
are
making
up
making
up
these
subcommittees
and
cheering
and
sharing
it.
L
J
Yeah
quick
question:
I
I
know
at
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
the
kellogg
grant
and
whatnot,
but
after
further
reading
it
it
definitely
said
it
could
not
go
towards
a
municipal,
a
municipal
government.
So
have
we
looked
at
who
that
would
possibly
go
through
if
we
start
looking
at
what
organizations
that
that
grant
could
go
through,
so
we
can
actually
apply
for
it
forward.
F
C
Okay,
because
when
I
read
it,
I
didn't-
I
didn't
see
that
exclusion
either,
but
there
was
something
that
we
can't
use
it
for,
for
I
forgot
what
it
is,
but
there
there
is.
There
is
a
criteria
and
I
think
that
that
that
we
can
fit
under
it,
but
that's
still
not
to
say
that
we're
not
going
to
have
to
partner.
A
A
So
I
know
that
the
three
of
us
amber
myself
and
dudley
want
to
keep
those
conversations
going
so
we'll
keep
you
you
guys
updated
on
on
those
and
if
you
have
any
connections
with
any
of
the
local
foundations
here,
you
know
certainly
funnel
those
through
amber.
So
we
can
get
those
meetings
scheduled
well.
C
J
B
Sorry
I
actually
made
my
screen
small
too,
so
it
threw
me
off
for
a
minute.
I
was
just
wondering.
Can
I
get
some
clarity
on
when
our
work
as
current
subcommittee
chairs
will
conclude,
because
what
I'm
thinking
of
is
in
previous
meetings,
dudley
and
jason?
I've
heard
you
say
that
and
well
said
that
you
want
the
work
to
continue,
but
does
that
mean
with
the
current
commissioners
or
in
what
form?
J
Quick
question
to
that,
because
I
I've
had
one
subcommittee
member
who
had
to
fall
off
recently.
So
would
I
have
to
come
to
amber
and
also
to
counsel,
to
replace
that
person.
Or
can
we
go
forward
with
just
trying
to
look
for
someone
else
to
actually
be
able
to
replace
the
person
feel
like
my
subcommittee.