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City of Charleston Committee on Community Development 5/27/21
A
B
Sure
I
will
say
just
a
few
words,
then
we'll
take
a
moment
of
silence
I'll.
Do
it
double.
I
just
wanted
to
say,
dear
lord
or
dear
god,
thanks
for
for
being
with
us
during
these
trying
times,
particularly
the
past
year
and
most
noticeably
the
past
month
here
in
charleston,
just
want
to
give
us
the
leadership
and
the
wisdom
to
do
the
best
job
we
can
for
the
public
and
with
that
amen.
C
A
A
Okay,
so
everyone
is
not
from
the
public,
is
on
the
agenda,
so
we
can
move
right
along
to
the
minutes.
Approval
of
the
minutes.
We
have
okay
november
12,
2020
january
28th,
2021
and
february
25th
2021
will
be
deferred.
We
have
some
other
things
that
they're
trying
to
get
together
and
getting
that
squared
away.
So
I
would
ask
for
approval
for
the
november
12th
and
january
28th
minutes.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Second,
he
was
moving.
Second,
all
the
people
booked
by
saying
aye,
aye
moses,
more
poses
so
we'll
move
right
along
okay,
we
have
we're
going
to
the
new
business.
First
is
update
and
presentation
for
the
rental
assistant
demonstration
program,
charleston
housing
authority,
mr
don
cameron,
you're
up
first.
F
Mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
last
time
I
did
was
august
27th
and
at
the
time
we
agreed
to
do
this
twice
a
year
rather
than
once
a
year
and
then
in
september
I
got
covet
and
that
took
care
of
twice
a
year.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
nine
month
update
instead
of
a
six
month
update
on
the
old
projects
that
we
talked
about
last
august.
F
But
that
should
happen.
The
second
would
be
1031
king
street.
It
is
a
small
property
behind
the
john
dock
library
by
food
lion.
There's
22
apartments,
that's
a
little
bit
different,
we're
going
to
transfer
it
and
the
financial
support
for
it
and
we're.
We
have
all
the
capital
money
already
in
hand
to
do
the
rehabilitation
that
will
be
escrowed
and
will
be
actually
spent
post-closing,
and
that
should
occur
november
or
december
of
this
year,
and
all
the
construction
work
would
occur
in
the
first
six
to
nine
months
of
2022.
F
F
F
F
B
Thank
you
chair,
just
just
some
quick
questions
don
I
appreciate
you
coming
and
you
know
we
met
about
a
month
ago.
I
believe-
and
you
reviewed
some
of
these.
I
try
to
send
out
an
update
to
some
of
my
constituents
on
a
monthly
basis
and
I
have
had
questions
about
kiowa.
So
can
you
just
kind
of
like
articulate
like
one
sentence,
the
the
the
type
of
renovation?
That's
going
to
happen
at
kiowa,
a
lot
of
rumors
float.
You
know
floating
around.
F
Right
koa,
if
you're
up
on
upper
meeting
street
at
the
roadways
cab
company,
you
looked
over,
you
say
that's
a
pretty
little
property,
which
fits
in
contextually
to
wagner
terrace
the
craftsman-style
bungalows.
But
if
you
walk
through
the
door,
you
go
back
about
30
years,
so
the
renovation
of
those
will
be
a
gut
rehab,
roughly
150
000
per
unit.
They
will
go
back
to
the
studs
on
all
of
those,
and
some
of
them
also
require
floor.
Replacements.
G
F
They
they
were
not
hud
has,
and
it's
kind
of
like
it's
a
dance
except
we've
got
three
or
four
suitors
we're
trying
to
dance
to.
One
is
fha,
one
is
the
south
carolina
department
of
housing,
housing
development
authority
and
the
other
is
hud
along
with
a
lot
of
other
people
who
have
their
fingers
in
the
pot.
F
But
one
of
the
requirements
was
that
we
had
to
show
activity
in
2021
and
because
kiowa
looked
like
it
was
going
to
slide
into
2022,
and
the
275
would
not
be
ready
until
2022
we
kind
of
threw
in
1031,
which
was
a
scattered
site
that
we
had
intended
to
preserve
anyway,
and
what
it
is
it's
about.
400,
000
worth
of
renovation
that
will
occur
to
those
22
apartments
as
a
for
instance.
All
the
roofs
need
to
be
replaced.
F
Some
kitchen
monetization
and
some
other
work
needs
to
be
done.
We
have
the
money
to
do
that
and
what
hud
is
going
to
allow
us
to
do
is
to
close
on
the
transaction
escrow
all
the
funds
that
we
would
use
from
our
capital
account
and
then
do
all
of
the
renovations
post-closing
out
of
that.
A
special
reserve
account.
A
G
Don,
I
know
we've
talked
about
trying
to
increase
density
and
for
this
question
I
focus
on
the
meeting
street
manor
properties,
and
I
think
I
know
you're
aware
that
our
commission
on
racial
conciliation
and
their
housing
subcommittee
is,
is
recommending
a
that.
The
city
changes
zoning
basically
and
increase
the
density
for
for
the
general
area
between
huge
e
meeting,
morrison
drive
and
maybe
down
to
lee
street
or
so
so.
G
F
F
So
it's
kind
of
like
we've
looked
at
some
of
those
studies
and
the
proposals
by
the
planning
department
and
humanities
foundation.
It's
kind
of
like
we've.
We've
come
up
with
a
halfway
meeting
of
the
monument
that
it
would
not
apply
to
many
street
manor,
which
is
the
first
public
housing
built
in
south
carolina
back
in
37
and
38
by
the
worst
progress
administration.
H
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
the
camera
and
I
appreciate
we
trying
to
get
together,
but
I
know
we
will
in
person.
I
guess
my
questions
along
the
lines
similar
to
the
mirrors
and
I
think
that's
where
the
mirror
was
headed
higher
density
yeah.
You
know,
I
think
it
may
have
been
six
or
seven
years
ago.
H
H
What
would
be
the
number
of
units
we
would
go
back
on
on
top
of
those
units
and
particularly
what
would
the
private
sector
do?
I
think
what
you're
doing
is
this
great,
but
you
know
there's
always
that
proverbial.
But
how
can
we
get
more
units
and
what
does
it
take?
What
kind
of
collaboration
did
it
does
it
take?
I
know
you're
out
there
yourself.
I
don't
know
what
the
city
can
do
from
a
standpoint
of
helping
to
get
more
units.
H
I
know
you
have
your
limitations,
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do
as
a
city,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
I'm
certainly
willing
to
think
out
of
the
box
see
what
we
can
do
in
particular
with
you
know.
Obviously,
the
administration
that
we
have-
I
don't
know
how
long
they're
going
to
be
there,
but
try
to
maximize
our
abilities
to
get
funding
to
create
affordable
housing.
Mixed-Use
housing,
commercial,
mixed
in
with
you,
know,
mu
type
uses.
H
So
you
know
if
we
were
to
when
you
look
at
the
number
of
units
that
would
be
increased,
I
mean.
Are
we
getting
trading
one
affordable
unit
to
get
two
affordable
units
or
trading
one
affordable
unit
to
get
three
affordable
units?
On
average,
I
mean
with
the
ones
that
you're
contemplating
doing
now.
What
is
the
increase
in
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units
if
it
goes
through
the
way
you
hopefully
anticipate.
F
There's
really
two
pieces
to
the
answer
and
and
the
the
first
is
when
our
board
authorized
us
to
go
forward
with
the
rad
program
and
our
application
to
hud
to
re-engineer
our
public
housing
portfolio
of
1407
units
is
the
line
in
the
sand
that
the
board
approved
was
number
one.
When
we
were
all
said
and
done
all
finished
there'd
still
be
1407
families
fully
supported
by
hud,
except
under
these
long-term
contracts
in
the
city
of
charleston,
in
actual
shelters,
not
vouchers
that
that
come
and
go
and
are
affected
by
market
forces.
F
Second,
we
wouldn't
contribute
to
gentrification
which,
which
again,
if
we
gave
people
a
voucher
today,
that'd
be
really
swell
except
they
couldn't
live
in
the
city
of
charleston
have
to
go,
live
someplace
else,
because
the
vouchers
don't
pay
enough.
So,
looking
at
that,
the
first
commitment
that
the
board
made
was
to
kiawah
main
street
matter,
and
robert
mills
as
preservation
deals
with
substantial
rehab.
F
We're
going
to
go
from
12
units
for
very
low
income,
people
to
85
units
for
low
and
moderate
income.
People
incorporating
in
that
85
is
12
for
very
low
income
people.
The
other
73
will
be
be
for
people
at
50,
ami
60
ami,
and
then,
if
you
will
a
sub
market,
moderate
income
people,
because
the
housing
authority
under
law
in
the
state
and
will
be
a
partner
in
that
deal,
can
only
deal
with
the
population
up
to
150
of
ami.
A
F
Now
the
question
that
comes
in
there
is:
should
those
216
families
number
go
back
into
that
mix
on
the
three
blocks
and,
for
instance,
sociologically
just
taking
the
block
south
of
sanders
cloud,
it's
got
87
families
in
it,
maybe
redesigned
repositioned
with
a
private
partner.
Maybe
it
should
be
250
units,
I'm
just
picking
numbers
out
of
the
half.
F
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
put
87
extremely
low
income
people
back
in
that
same
block.
Maybe
it
should
be.
40
is
a
good
mix
sociologically,
but
we've
got
to
then
find
land
or
existing
structures
for
the
other
47
here
on
the
peninsula,
and
that
goes
to
your
question
about
how
can
the
city
help?
I
think
the
city
could
help
either
through
land
or
acquisition,
with
substantial
rehab
of
small
apartment
complexes
or
helping
to
finance?
F
F
F
F
H
F
Right
I
mean
that
would
greatly
facilitate
us
moving
forward.
I
mean
we've
we're
already
committed
that
we're
not
going
to
finish
one
deal
and
one
renovation
before
we
start
number
two
and
number
three
number
four:
that
a
lot
of
these
will
go
parallel,
but
it
it
when
we
get
down
to
cooperative
reports
and
then
the
the
assets
we
own
after
that.
F
We're
really
going
to
be
in
a
crunch
with
this
relocation
issue
and
again
giving
somebody
a
voucher
which
is
an
option
that
hud
has
isn't
feasible
here
in
the
city
of
charleston,
because
there's
no
place
for
them
to
go
in
the
city
on
the
private
economy.
That
will
take
section
8
at
the
texan,
8
rentals
and
for
people
to
have
to
leave
their
city
is
not
an
acceptable
solution.
F
You
did
rad,
so
the
amount
of
rent
that
they
will
pay
to
support
those
families
like
at
ug
street
is
the
amount
of
operating
subsidy
we
get
annually
and
the
amount
of
capital
funds
we
get
annually
per
family,
so
the
rental
for
those
12
low
income,
very
low
income.
Families
in
that
85
would
be
on
extremely
low
area.
Low
realm
and
again,
as
mr
gregory
pointed
out,
you
still
got
to
make
it
work
at
the
end
of
the
day
financially
for
your
partners
and
that's
another
reason
for
the
mix.
I
What
and
our
zoning
our
height
for
zoning
changes
so
that
we
can
get
more
units?
How
many?
How
many?
I
know
we
still
have
to
do,
one
for
one
replacement
of
public
housing
units,
but
how
many
other
not
just
affordable
housing,
but
also
market
rate
housing
that
we
could
get
in
there
in
order
to
subsidize
the
affordable
rents
that
would
be
needed
to
to
protect
certain
folks,
that
is
at
an
income.
Let's
say:
100,
even
150,
okay,
income
level
can
can
we
and
I'm
just
trying
to
think
outside
the
box.
I
I
F
F
We
take
a
different
structure,
but
I
think
it's
all
doable.
I
think
the
questions
that
arise
on
it
are.
It
would
be
really
good
to
put
264
low
income
people
back
in
there
sociologically
to
get
that
mix
up
so
that
then
you'd
have
to
drive
the
numbers
up
and
get,
as
you
said,
mr
gregory,
a
thousand
or
two
thousand
units,
and
would
it
be
a
good
living
environment?
F
The
other
part
is
that
the
people
we
house,
if,
if
they're
with
us
for
five
years,
then
they're
with
us
for
15.,
that's
not
a
typical
apartment,
renter
or
typical
apartment
person
is
they're
living
there.
They,
like
it
they're
it's
convenient
to
work
schools
whatever,
but
as
soon
as
their
income
gets
better
job
opportunities,
whatever
they
move,
the
the
people
we
serve
do
not
move
so
the
issue
of
livability
and
the
quality
of
life
is
just
a
paramount
importance
to
us.
I
I
I
F
I
Yes,
well
I
mean
that.
Well,
that's
the
kind
of
a
bold
vision
that
I
see
that
we
should
be
considering
to
really
try
to
beef
up
our
affordability
inventory
at
the
same
time
creating
wealth
creation
opportunities
and
especially,
if
we're
talking
gadsden
green
community
they'll
be
right
in
the
heart
of
a
knowledge-based
industry.
I
I'm
just
saying
that
there's
just
so
many
opportunities
if
we
can
sort
of
meld
that
development
and
totally
redeveloping
the
gadsden
green
community
at
the
same
time
and
create
literally,
I
mean
literally
thousands
of
units
back
there
right
now.
I
know
that
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
when,
when,
when
you
selected
the
projects
for
rad,
you
did
not
select
the
worst
of
these
right.
F
Our
application
to
hud
and
hud's
acceptance
is
the
entire
portfolio.
No,
no
public
housing
property
is
excluded.
Priority
wise
before
we
tackle
the
elephant
in
the
room,
gaston
green
on
the
west
side.
It's
our
belief.
We
have
to
have
a
track
record.
It's
our
belief.
We've
got
to
have
community
support
and
we've
got
to
be
able
to
show
and
prove
to
the
community
that
we
do
it
sensitively
that
relocation
is
handled
humanely.
F
F
The
one
we
picked
in
the
design
that
was
in
the
newspaper
that
eddie
bellow
came
up
with
is
the
only
of
one
of
the
four
that
wasn't
a
box
to
warehouse
people
in
that
isn't
the
charleston
housing
authority,
it
isn't
the
city
of
charleston
and
I
think,
that's
shown
by
our
scattered
sites
by
williams
terrace
by
the
grace
homes
that
you
know,
quality
of
life
today
tomorrow
in
in
all
the
tomorrows
after.
That
is
an
important
value
that
we
look
at.
So
everything
is
on
the
table.
A
A
C
C
We
understand
that
you
know
your
tier,
your
your
tier
one
properties
are
are,
basically,
you
know,
leaving
the
station,
mr
cameron,
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
want
to
miss
out
on
the
highest
and
best
for
all
of
your
goals,
values
and
criteria
that
you've
reminded
us
of
today,
but
at
the
same
time
we
know
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
driving
forces
from
our
work
with
the
housing
and
mobility
committee
on
the
commission
for
equity
we've
got,
I
mean
just
looking
at
the
zoom
screen
right
now.
We
have.
C
We
have
people
on
this
meeting.
You
know
that
should
be
part
of
a
of
a
of
a
wider,
more
cohesive.
You
know
think
tank
about
this,
because
we
will
need
private
partners.
Of
course
you
need
private
partners
and
we
do
need
city
resources,
and
you
know
I
want
to
throw
out.
Why
can't
the
city
like
create
some
sort
of
you
know
fund
that
would
help
subsidize
vouchers
if
that
becomes
one
of
the
relocation
strategies.
There's
just
so
many
things.
C
I
If,
mr
chairman,
if
I
might
suggest
for
councilmember
jackson's
recommendation,
I
really
think
that
perhaps
expanding
the
the
subcommittee
on
housing
and
mobility
would
be
the
place
for
us
to
to
do
that.
Instead
of
creating
another
committee,
and
even
have
mr
cameron
visit
that
that
committee
again
and
as
chairmans
you
myself
and
keith,
you
know
we
can
also
anyone
help
be
a
part
of
that
that
discussion
in
that
committee.
I
just
think
I
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
C
A
Okay,
what
we'll
do
we'll
get
all
that
together
and
then
we'll
have
the
committee
check
with
the
committee
and
check
with
mr
cameron
and
try
to
have
all
that
taken
care
of,
and
so
we
can
meet
and
we
can
try
to
iron
this
out
and
try
to
get
some
creative
plan
in
place
before
time's
gone,
because
time
is
moving
on
so
far
as
that
is
concerned,
because
they
have
to
get
some
things
done
too.
So
we're
gonna
have
to
expedite
this.
If
you
may
so
we'll
work
on
that
very
seriously.
A
A
A
A
A
J
You
up
yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
are
you
able
to
hear
me?
Yes,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
development
committee,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
with
you
on
behalf
of
eli
polikoff,
the
chairman
of
the
charleston
redevelopment
corporation
and
our
entire
board.
We
certainly
welcome
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
and
give
you
a
short
briefing.
J
Certainly
we
have
several
of
our
board
members
here
on
the
line
with
us,
council,
woman
jackson,
mr
singleton,
this
miss
john
shaw
johnson
as
well
representing
the
organization
I
really
would
like
to
I'm
not
sure
if
the
administrator
has
the
ability
or
has
given
me
the
ability
to
share
a
brief
powerpoint.
As
I
talk,
I
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
do
that.
If
I
could.
J
Thank
you
all
right,
thank
you,
and
so
I
would
just
share
this
briefly
with
you
and
walk
through
it.
But
I
I
would
just
remind
the
committee
that
the
and
I'll
just
say
crc,
but
the
crc
has
fiscal
responsibility
or
administrative
agency
for
two
contracts
with
the
city,
one
of
which
provides
that
we
will
annually
report
on
the
status
of
those
funds
and
then
the
crc
does
an
annual
briefing
and
meeting,
and
so
I
can
use
that
as
the
context
for
walking
through
that.
J
So
I
want
to
spend
our
time
really
discussing
some
of
the
activities
and
projects
we
have
started
with
a
number
of
scattered
site
initiatives:
2321
bernie
garrett,
which
we
are
actually
preparing
for
a
closing
the
first
of
june
with
a
home
buyer,
and
we
have
a
lot
next
door
at
23.19,
which
is
also
moving
forward
under
construction.
I'm
certainly
happy
with
that
and
what's
happening
over
at
battery
fifth
avenue
from
a
scattered
site
perspective.
J
I
haven't
committed
approximately
4.4
million
we're
getting
ready
to
close
on
1.3
million
to
go
out
to
support
30
units
of
affordable
housing,
but
certainly
wanted
to
report
that,
on
average
we're
leaving
about
36
thousand
dollars
a
unit
in
in
either
loan
subsidy
or
participation.
As
a
part
of
that,
our
charge
that
the
board
has
adopted
was
of
that
9
million
to
split,
spend
or
try
and
target
a
third
of
that
as
subsidy
to
support
affordable
housing
projects.
J
A
third
of
that
to
lend
to
other
developers,
proponents
of
affordable
housing
and
then
a
third
of
that
to
use
to
build
the
crc's
portfolio.
And
so
the
activities
so
far
reflect
somewhat
of
that
balance
and
mix
of
everything
from
the
sea.
Island
apartments,
which
we
purchased
at
the
end
of
2019,
we're
currently
negotiating
for
another
apartment,
complex,
potentially
to
acquire,
but
then
we
have
also
serving
as
a
lender,
to
non-profits
like
homes
of
hope,
as
well
as
for-profits
that
are
carrying
out
affordable
housing.
J
I
will
just
respectfully
remind
the
board
that
the
committee
that,
when
the
that
contract,
went
through
ways
and
means
the
administrative
portion
of
that
the
400
000
was
reduced
to
133
000.
So
at
some
point
I
think
the
crc
might
want
to
come
back
and
re-engage
in
a
more
formal
way
about
the
balance
of
the
administrative
fund.
J
So
I
just
want
to
just
plant
that
seat
for
future
conversations
and
then
the
8.3
million
that
we
were
able
to
put
on
the
street
and
support
of
affordable
housing
funds
in
support
of
city
bond-funded
projects
that
those
are
going
well.
We
have,
and
just
to
use
round
numbers
three
that
that
moving
forward
three
that
continue
through
pre-development
and
certainly
if
you
have
specific
questions
on
any
one
of
those,
we
can
certainly
get
into
the
more
details
on
that,
but
just
wanted
to.
J
I
will
just
point
out
briefly
that,
in
terms
of
being
creative,
we
are
working
with
historic
charleston
to
look
at
leveraging
some
of
their
dollars,
as
well
as
committing
on
matching
money
of
100
000
of
the
crc
dollars
and
securing
grant
funds
to
do
some
creative
loan
repair
funds.
So
as
we're
looking
at,
how
do
we
leverage
those
resources
that
we
were
provided?
So
that's
another
component
that
may
not
have
come
to
your
attention,
the
rest
of
that.
J
G
C
Thanks
yeah,
I
just
want
to
follow
the
mayor,
and-
and
you
know
I
I
do-
have
a
crc
board
of
directors
seat.
So
when
it
comes
to
spending
money
on
their
behalf,
I
do
have
a
conflict
of
interest,
but
in
terms
of
being
a
cheerleader,
I
think
I
can
go
both
ways
and
I
I
I
do
want
to
agree
with
the
mayor
that
you
know
crc.
C
Yes,
it
greatly
helps
to
have
money,
there's
no
question
about
it,
but
it
also
helps
to
have
the
kind
of
competent
leadership
that
we
now
have
that
allows
us
to
provide
underwriting
services
for
the
city
on
your
bond
funds
and
a
variety
of
other.
You
know
construction
management
and
expertise
that
you'd
have
to
pay
for.
C
If
you
wanted
to
do
the
kind
of
affordable
housing
that
we're
doing
with
you
know
permanent
land
trust
ownership,
and
things
like
that,
so
my
grandmother
loved
to
say
the
proof
of
the
pudding
is
in
the
eating,
and
I
think
that
we
are
eating
the
pudding
that
that
the
crc
has
been
cooking
for
us.
So
I
I
do
feel
like
we
need
to
revisit.
C
You
know
making
good
on
the
original
budget
that
was
on
on
the
council's
desk
when
crc
was
essentially
sponsored
and
created.
We
we
were
to
be
a
if
we
had
the.
If
we
had
the
udag
funds,
which
we
do
now,
the
city
was
supposed
to
be
contributing
the
first
round
of
operating
money,
so
that
crc
would
be
able
to
hit
the
ground
running,
and
that
didn't
happen.
So
we
hit
that
ground
running
anyway
and
I
do
feel
like.
Maybe
we
deserve
a
second
chance
at
that.
Thanks.
H
It's
more
of
a
thank
you,
mr
jim.
I
think
it's
more
of
a
observation,
a
great
job
on
everybody's
behalf.
I
agree
with
the
course,
but
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
things
in
getting
the
501c3
active
again
because
it
went
dormant
some
years
ago
was.
I
don't
think
we
have
taken
advantage
of
the
full
abilities
if
you
will
of
a
501
c3.
Maybe
we
need
to
get
with
a
tax
attorney
and
get
some
consulting
on
the
different
ways.
H
People
can
contribute
to
a
501c3,
for
example,
most
foundations,
and
particularly
colleges
and
universities
when
they
and
then
we
don't
have
a
development
officer,
but
when
a
development
officer
calls
on
a
grateful,
alumnus
or
a
grateful
patient
in
the
case
of
medical
university,
they've
probably
got
15
to
18
different
ways
that
grateful
patient
or
that
alumnus
can
give
to.
In
this
case,
health,
science
foundation
or
case
of
carolina
university
of
south
carolina.
K
B
H
If
I
wanted,
if
I
had
a
dormant
piece
of
land
that
I
didn't
do
anything
with
and
I'd
like
that
to
be
contributed
to
the
501c3
to
be
used
for
affordable
housing,
I
don't
think
we
have
the
documentation
to
do
that
right
now.
I
think
there
should
be
a
a
form
or
a
booklet
that
I
would
that
people
can
say
you
got
a
piece
of
land
that
you
want
to
contribute.
H
Here's
the
form,
fill
this
out
and
we're
gonna,
give
you
a
chat,
get
it
appraised,
give
you
a
charitable
deduction
for
it
and
then
obviously
we
would
mitigate
it.
Our
land
comes
if
somebody
has
a
an
annuity
and
they
don't
have
a
beneficiary,
because
all
the
people,
you
know
they're
not
married,
they
don't
have
any
kids
and
all
the
people
have
died
off.
Maybe
they
want
to
name
the
this,
this
501
c
3
as
a
beneficiary.
H
H
K
H
We
should,
and
even
if
we
have
to
pay
the
attorney
to
do
it,
it
will
come
back
and
I
think
tenfold
in
different
ways
because
see
people
as
a
ruler
not
going
to
contribute
to
government,
because
government
has
a
reputation
without
spending
money
efficiently,
but
they'll
give
money
to
a
foundation.
They'll
give
money
to
501
c
3.
So
I
don't
know
that
they're
going
to
contribute
a
piece
of
land
to
the
city
of
charleston,
but
they
may
do
it
to
this
501
c3.
A
D
Good
afternoon,
members
of
the
committee-
in
fact
this
this
presentation
is
almost
coming
too
late,
but
it's
never
too
late,
because
we
are
not
far
enough
along.
We
wanted
to
present
this
to
you
prior
to
presenting
the
land
acquisition
opportunity,
but
we
certainly
thank
you
for
your
support
of
that.
It
was
presented
to
real
estate
and
council
to
acquire
cunnington
avenue.
So
now
we
have
that
under
contract,
three
five,
seven
and
nine
huntington
avenue
would
in
fact
be
the
location
of
the
future
homeless
to
hope
center.
D
We
also
the
mayor's
commission
is
also
engaged
with
the
winkler
group
to
help
raise
matching
funds
or
additional
capital
along
with
that.
But,
of
course,
we
all
know
that
the
acquisition
and
the
construction
of
affordable
housing
is
quite
costly
and
part
of
what
we
put
in
your
packet
this
afternoon
is
what
we
are
referring
to
is
a
cooperation
agreement.
D
It
is
in
draft
form,
but
it
is
a
conversation
that
came
out
of
my
conversations
with
partners
in
the
community
advising
them
one
that
the
city
was
looking
for
land
and
two
that
the
city
wanted
to
build,
not
only
a
center
to
house
the
now
navigation
center,
but
to
also
complement
that
with
additional,
affordable
rental
housing
on
that
same
property.
One
of
the
key
reasons
we
have
to
make
sure
we
have
permanent,
affordable
housing
is
that
the
funding
we
use
to
acquire
that
land
requires
us
to
do
that.
D
So
that's
one
reason
and
certainly
there's
a
need
in
our
community
for
affordable
rental
housing,
as
well
as
for
sale,
housing,
and
so
I
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
those
efforts,
and
I
wanted
to
also
give
castel
singleton
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
cooperation
agreement
that
he
presented
a
little
while
ago,
so
that
you
could
have
a
sense
of
some
of
what's
out
there.
Of
course,
this
is
draft
and
anything
we
do
would
come
back
to
you
in
the
form
of
appropriate
approvals.
D
D
D
L
D
L
L
So
so
we
would.
We
would
need
to,
of
course,
put
together
cooperation
agreement
and
at
this
point,
what
we're
proposing
is
that
the
city
would
control
51
percent
they'd
be
a
51
partner
and
the
other
players
would
be
at
49
partners
and,
of
course,
we
would
have
to
find
additional
subsidies
through
tax
credits
and
the
like,
and
so
we'll
have
to
structure
the
transaction
later
to
once.
L
And,
of
course,
we
plan
to
have
40
minority
owned
participation
in
the
project,
and
so
in
conclusion
this
just
the
goal
is
just
to
create
some
additional,
affordable
housing
on
the
city,
which
is
in
the
city,
which
is,
you
know,
really
needed
for
persons
transitioning
out
of
homelessness,
and
so
that
will
help
to
alleviate
some
of
the
problems
that
we
have
in
the
city
and
we'll
be
able
to
provide
some
support,
supportive
type
services.
That
also
helps-
and
this
will
be
a
public-private
partnership.
L
We
know
that
there
will
be
questions
as
we
move
forward,
but
some
of
it
we
won't
know
it
is
until
we
get
the
opportunity
to
move
forward,
and
so
we're
just
excited
about
being
able
to
present
before
you
today
and
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I'll
answer.
Any
questions.
If
there's
anything
I
can
answer
at
this
point.
H
G
E
G
G
A
180
place
is
great
they're
terrific,
I
love
them,
but
they
kind
of
focus
on
a
certain
clientele
and
a
certain
population
out
there
and
and
the
city
needs
to
maintain
its
flexibility
long-term
and
being
able
to
help
our
citizens
in
need
and
and
to
add
housing.
On
top
of
that
to
boot.
I
don't
know,
I
I
think
it
makes
all
in
the
sense
of
in
the
world.
So
I
I
applaud
y'all
for
bringing
this
forward.
E
C
I'm
following
along
with
the
mayor
again,
I
I
I
just
agree:
I
I'm
really
praying
that
this
land,
you
know,
is
developable.
I
know
we've
got
some
hurdles
to
figure
out
during
due
diligence
about
some
things,
but
my
first
entree
into
nonprofit
housing
was
through
helping
my
community
set
up
what
was
called
then
a
hypo.
I
don't
even
think
it
was
called
the
hypothermal
therm
thermia
shelters.
C
Yet
it
was
a
temporary
shelter
that
our
community
only
allowed
to
operate
in
the
in
the
winter
months
and
we
had
to
literally
bus
residents
in
and
out
so
that
they
wouldn't
be
noticed
by
people
in
my
community.
I'm
not
very
proud
of
that,
but
over
the
15
years
that
I
was
part
of
that
group,
we
went
from
the
winter
shelter
only
to
transitional
to
to
housing
first
models.
H
D
A
D
And
the
next
test
is
the
geotech,
but
the
phase
one
came
back
yesterday
and
so
there
are
no
recognized
environmental
conditions
of
any
sort,
one
of
the
more
difficult
aspects
of
it,
but
we're
looking
at
remedies
now
that
I've
been
talking
to
matt,
fallon
and
his
team
about
or
is
making
sure
the
storm
water
is
there
and
then
we
know
we
have
low
water
pressure
on
the
site
that
charleston
water
systems
is
aware
of
and
will
work
with
us
and
is
working
with
us
through
that
issue.
All
right.
G
D
D
I
would
step
back
for
a
moment
because
I'm
trying
to
go
fast,
because
I
know
we're
short
on
time-
the
the
money
that
would
be
provided
to
the
developers
for
these
units
or
for
this
12
million
dollars
would
be
in
the
form
of
a
loan
they
have
indicated-
and
I
think
I
also
included
what
they
have
submitted
to
me.
Initially
is
an
opportunity
to
repay
the
funds
that
are
then
lent
for
the
purposes
that
we
are
discussing
here.
D
We
want
to
find
a
way,
certainly
to
support
this
because
of
the
need
for
affordable
and
workforce
housing
in
our
community,
and
so
I
wanted
to
make
certain
and
I've
talked
to
the
mayor
about
it,
of
course,
an
internal
staff
to
find
a
way
to
support
this.
But
more
importantly,
it's
always
encouraging
for
us
when
we
can
get
money
coming
back
and
recycled
back
to
our
affordable
housing
coffers
and,
as
we
think
through
and
think
about
the
amount
of
subsidy
and
the
amount
of
investment
we
make
in
housing.
D
Now
oftentimes
we
are
investing
more
than
sixty
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
so
I
believe
that
it
could
be
a
good
investment.
All
of
the
options
that
I
have
presented
to
the
city
committee
of
city
council,
in
some
cases
have
to
be
explored
a
little
bit
further.
In
many
cases,
they
are
funding
sources
that
we
have
on
hand
right
now.
D
It
would
be
a
matter
of
making
sure
that
we
submit
that
separate
approval
to
you
all
to
sure
that
we're
following
the
appropriate
compliance,
but
that
is
the
challenge
that
is
before
us
to
assist
with
finding
funding
to
help
develop
that
develop
those
housing
units
at
the
laurel
island
development.
I
wanted
to
present
this
so
that
if
cd
committee
of
city
council
had
any
other
ideas
or
thoughts
additional
feedback,
then
we
were
considering
all
of
our
options
as
we
move
forward.
G
I
just
think
that
the
fact
that
this
request
is
just
for
loan
that
would
end
up
revolving
back
to
us,
as
opposed
to
I'm
not
saying
any
of
the
grants
that
we
did
for
have
been
doing
for
some
of
these
affordable
developments
were
not
good
decisions,
they
were
good
decisions,
but
it
makes
this
one
look
even
better
because
you
get
the
money
back.
You
know
it's
like
the
ones
we've
done
for
archer
school
and
all
are
not
revolving
loan
fund
loans.
G
D
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir
they've
communicated
robert
and
his
team
have
communicated
that
the
funds
would
not
be
needed
until
towards
the
end
of
2022.
We're
asking
for
some
more
data
on.
You
know
how
the
funding
will
revolve
back
to
us
and
those
sorts
of
things,
and
so
once
we
have
more
information,
we
will
naturally
bring
that
to
ways
and
means
and
city
council
for
your
approval.
E
D
A
M
Yes,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
on
you
all
right
I'll
give
an
update
on
the
staff
has
been
working
on
this,
as
has
the
developer.
For
a
few
months
now
everybody
pretty
much
every
department
head
and
several
division
heads
have
touched
upon
it:
gianna
just
sort
of
went
over
the
workforce,
housing
component
for
a
portion
of
the
workforce,
housing
component,
jeremy
cook
who's
on
the
line
and
I'll.
M
You
know
essentially
right
now.
I
think
the
city
has
it
split
up
into
three:
what
we
call
buckets
of
of
the
morrison
drive
tiff,
the
thorough
island
portion,
the
increment
from
laurel
island,
the
anchor
increment
from
morrison
yard
and
then
the
sort
of
third
catch-all
bucket
and
we're
working
on
agreements
with
both
the
morrison
yard
owners
and
the
laurel
island
developer.
M
Dealing
with
their
requested
uses
to
funds
which
will
also
in
part
address.
Are
you
our
our
own
use
of
tiff
funds?
That'll
be
a
big
component
of
it,
which
again
is
why
we
have
everybody
involved
in
it.
Just
to
give
you
a
reminder
for
laurel
island,
the
current
pud
allows
up
to
77
7
750,
calling
units,
there's
required,
minimums
of
both
office
space
and
retail
space
within
the
development.
There's
required
open
space
and
they
go
above
the
minimum
requirements
for
open
space.
M
The
development
agreement,
unlike
the
pud,
is
more
of
a
vested
rights
ordinance
in
addition
to
the
aspect
that
controls
spending
of
of
tif
funds
called
the
public
infrastructure
agreement.
People
refer
to
that
as
a
pi
agreement,
public
infrastructure
improvements,
eii
agreement,
but
the
development
agreement.
The
main
intent
of
a
development
agreement
is
to
lock
in
the
zoning
applicable
to
the
property.
The
law
is
applicable
to
the
property
so
that
they
can't
change
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
M
M
M
M
M
The
current
iteration
of
the
agreement
would
use
morris
island,
which,
incidentally,
was
donated
to
a
land,
trust
and
eventually
given
to
the
city,
but
the
the
donation,
land
trust,
was
by
an
entity
related
to
the
entity.
That's
developing
rho
island,
so
that's
sort
of
the
tie-in
there.
There
will
be
no
development
on
morris
island
under
the
development
agreement.
M
The
other
property
that
would
be
utilized
is
the
green
is
the
bikeway
which
is
somewhere
around
38
acres
in
order
to
sort
of
tie
and
create
a
nexus
between
that
development
and
or
that
bikeway
and
the
laurel
island
development.
The
developer
is
going
to
agree
to
contribute
a
sum
of
money
to
the
to
be
utilized.
I
think
for
the
turtle
and
duck
pond,
I'm
not.
It's
been
a
few
years
since
I've
lived
in
west
parallel
lived
on
west
of
the
ashley.
M
I'll
put
it
like
that,
but
so
I'm
not
quite
familiar
with
that
portion
of
the
of
the
bike
path.
But
the
developer
has
agreed
to
include
that
in
the
development
agreement,
we've
sort
of
we've
tied
up
a
number
of
issues
or
we're
in
the
process
of
it.
One
is
that
the
fire
department
had
another
number
of
concerns,
including
the
location
of
a
new
fire
station
which
is
going
to
be
needed
in
that
area.
M
The
fire
station
4
we're
working
out
the
donation
of
a
either
the
land
or
space
kind
of
underneath
an
existing
building
for
use
of
the
as
a
fire
station
that
would
be
provided
to
the
city.
Under
the
development
agreement
parks.
The
parks
department
had
expressed
concerns
about
the
ability
to
utilize
open
space
for
recreational
programs,
we're
working
on
the
timing
aspect
of
that,
but
the
developer
has
at
least
agreed
in
principle
that
the
city
could
control
the
use
of
those
open
space
areas,
including
the
ball
fields
that
would
be
developed
on
the
property.
M
I
say
center
interpretive
trail
and
park,
as
well
as
the
ball
fields
that
you
may
be
familiar
with
from
when
we
discussed
last
time.
The
proposed
sort
of
phasing
of
the
of
the
development.
If
I
can
share
my
screen
real
quick,
I'm
going
to
just
pull
up
a
gis
map
of
the
property
is
really
sort
of
dictated
by
access,
so
the
initial
phase
would
would
increase
access
across
romney
street
to
the
island.
M
So
most
of
phase
one
would
be
developed
in
this
area
that
once
you
reach
a
certain
trigger
and
that's
touched
on
in
the
mud,
the
access
from
cool
boat
blow
street
would
need
to
be
built.
So
most
of
the
development
will
come
from
the
south
of
the
island
northwards
and
then
the
third
access
point
would
be
up
to.
I
believe
it's
for
brigade
street
and
back
this
way,
and
I
think
the
major
ask
on
the
tif
monies
is
for
transportation
improvements.
M
That
is
something
that
we're
still
working
out
with
keith
benjamin
and
the
developer,
and
that's
understandable,
because
it's
going
to
create
you're
going
to
need
a
lot
of
transportation
investment
in
order
to
get
anything
built
on
the
island,
private
or
public.
But
when
you
consider
the
amount
of
workforce
housing,
they
promise
10
permanent
workforce
housing.
So
at
any
given
time
in
the
next
five
years
in
the
next
hundred
years,
ten
percent
of
all
housing
dwelling
units
on
the
island
will
be
affordable
dwelling
units.
M
In
addition,
from
the
time
you
pull
a
co
on
any
given
dwelling
unit
or
a
group
of
dwelling
units,
10
of
those
would
be
affordable
for
a
period
of
10
years,
so
transportation,
that's
not
going
to
happen
without
transportation
improvements.
I
think
that's
a
that's
really.
The
lion's
share
of
the
the
ask
for
the
use
of
tiff
funds.
M
The
arc
aspect
again,
I
think,
we're
just
working
on
timing,
workforce
housing.
We've
got
the
mou
that
we're
discussing
and
the
public
infrastruc
infrastructure
agreement,
I
think,
is
a
matter
of
traffic
and
transportation
and
also
addressing
the
three
buckets
I
spoke
about,
especially
with
respect
from
the
morrison
yard
project.
That's
already.
A
M
M
A
M
M
Within
the
next
week,
but
I
think
it'll
it'll
be
done.
A
lot
just
depends
on
the
negotiation,
but
I
think
everything
everybody
everyone
on
staff
is
pretty
comfortable
with
it.
Everyone
just
has
sort
of
one
or
two
details
that
they
really
need
worked
out.
Mostly
with
respect
to
the
timing,
my
I've
tried
to
explain
to
people
both
internally
and
externally
that
when
you're,
looking
at
a
development
like
this
sort
of
like
magnolia.
M
Even
though
it's
public
monies,
the
number
one
priority
to
generate
tif
funds
is
to
make
sure
the
development
gets
off
the
ground
and
it's
solid,
and
you
know
I
I
do
want
people's
expectations
to
be
that
if
the
city's
going
to
get
behind
this
you're,
we're
really
going
to
have
to
focus
on
making
sure
the
development
gets
going
and
there
will
be
a
lot
of
public
benefits.
But
I
don't
expect
this
to
be
an
immediate.
You
know
within
two
year
impact
expected
to
be
an
impact.
A
G
G
The
the
revenue
won't
be
here
for
a
while.
You
you
see
the
map
there,
there's
nothing
there
right
now.
It's
just
the
old
landfill
there's,
no
development
whatsoever.
So
the
the
only
revenue
that's
going
to
support
these
public
infrastructure
improvements
are
the
revenue
that
will
come
from
from
this
very
development.
So
the
developer
is
going
to
have
to
put
a
lot
of
cash
up
front
just
to
pay
for
the
public
infrastructure
improvements
in
the
hopes
that
the
development
will
end
up,
providing
enough
income
to
pay
a
portion
of
it
back.
G
G
G
D
Councilmember
mitchell
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
read
this
report
to
you.
I
submitted
this
to
you
for
your
information
and
certainly
when
we
are
meeting
back
in
person
again,
I
saw
that
councilmember
mitchell.
I
will
probably
dive
a
little
bit
more
deeply
into
this
report,
but
oftentimes
and
councilmember
shaheed
asked
me
this
week.
D
Stuart
coleman,
who
works
with
robert
clement,
reached
out
to
me
about
a
property
on
harriet
street.
In
fact,
it
is
the
entry
to
what
is
what
will
be
the
future
magnolia
they
want
to
give
to
the
city
for
the
development
of
affordable
housing,
an
additional
1.1
acres
that
will
be
coming
to
you,
or
at
least
we're
trying
to
get
that
to
real
estate,
council
and
ways
and
means
in
june,
but
we're
really
excited
it's
1.1
acres.
D
There
are
two
houses
on
a
portion
of
that
land
on
harriet
street
right
now
that
initially
we
thought
we
would
try
to
relocate.
We
may
end
up
having
to
demolish
those,
but
this
is
free
land.
So,
anytime
we
can
get
free
land
when
we're
thinking
about
developing,
affordable
housing.
That
is
an
amazing
plus
for
us,
and
I've
had
some
initial
massing
studies
done
or
just
some
preliminary
kind
of
look
seeds
and
we're
thinking.
D
We
can
do
about
24
to
26
attached
town
homes
on
the
site,
which
we
believe
would
fit
nicely
in
that
area
to
make
it
commiserate
with
the
type
of
housing
that
exists
there
now,
just
in
an
improved
sense,
so
wanted
you
all
to
be
aware
of
that,
as
well
as
part
of
my
report,
such
that
when
you
hear
it
again
in
real
estate
in
ways
and
means
you'll
know
where
it
came
from
when
it
started.
So
we're
going
to
begin
our
due
diligence
on
that
very
soon
as
well.
Thank
you.
G
G
G
And
the
doorways-
and
it's
not
it's
unfortunate,
it's
not
that
old,
a
construction,
but
that's
what
I
remember.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
the
quality
of
the
materials
that
used
or
what,
but
all
all
the
windows
would
need
to
be
replaced
and,
and
who
knows
the
condition
of
the
rest
of
it.
But
anyway,
if
we
can
save
them,
it'd
be
great,
but
I
I
know
it
would
come
at
some
expense.
G
C
Just
wanted
to
put
a
bow
on
ms
shaw
johnson's
report
to
us.
Thank
you
for
your
intentions
to
be.
You
know,
giving
us
more
fulsome
reporting.
I
I
personally
am
happy
to
mostly
operate
on
the
love
and
trust
model,
so
I
do
feel
like
as
long
as
you're
working
and
and
producing
you
know,
I
I
do
feel
like
we
need
to
be
much
more
intentional
about
our
black
and
women-owned
business,
hiring
and
maybe
diversify
the
contractors
that
we
go
back
to
architects
and
contractors.
C
I
know
it's
a
very
easy
path
when
you
have
people
that
have
performed,
and
you
can
pick
up
the
phone
and
they'll
they'll,
you
know
be
right
there,
but
I
do
feel
like
we've
got
those
you
know
goals
and-
and
so
that
would
be
my
only
thought,
john.
If
we
can
just
sort
of
try
to
stretch
ourselves
to
some
other
levels
of
using
contractors
that
you
don't
you
don't.
You
know
have
that
kind
of
familiarity
with
until
you
get
started,
but
thank
you
so
much.
G
One
final
comment,
mr
chairman,
when
I
saw
this
agenda
for
this
evening's
meeting
and
it's
all
been
all
great
stuff,
but
I
I
thought
that
we
might
be
here
a
good
part
of
this
evening,
so
I
I'm
next
time
we
have
a
little
drag
and
city
council
meeting.
I
may
have
to
call
upon
you
to
get
us
on
out.
You
you've
done
an
excellent
job.
Thank.