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City of Charleston Committee on Community Development 3/25/2021
A
Afternoon,
good
good,
so
we
can
get
started.
I'd
like
to
call
the
community
development
meeting
to
order.
The
time
is
now.
I
think
it's
four
or
six
four
seven
and
for
real
asks
brother,
where
and
councilman
warren
can
give
us
a
invocation.
Please.
C
C
We
thank
you
for
the
staff
that
frankly
goes
above
and
beyond
well
beyond
40
hours
a
week
in
caring
for
the
job
that
they
do,
for
the
citizens
and,
frankly,
helping
us
to
do
better
than
we
normally
would
do
without
those
efforts
we
pray
for
those
less
fortunate
and
again,
we
pray
for
those
families
who
recently
have
been
struck
in
colorado
and
in
atlanta
with
senseless
mass
killings,
help
us
to
find
answers
and
solutions
to
those
problems.
C
A
Thank
you
for
that
councilman
wearing
and
now
we
move
on
down
to
public
participation.
Do
we
have
anyone
from
the
public
here.
A
A
E
Council
member
chip
mcqueeny
will
cover
that
item
for
us.
F
All
right-
yes,
sir,
mr
chairman
and
julia
copeland,
put
this
one
together,
she's
actually
doing
a
b.a.r
large
session
to,
I
guess,
teach
them
about
being
bear
members.
F
She
must
have
set
up
set
it
up
this
way,
but
the
this
is
the
archer
former
archer
school
site,
the
school
district
sold
it
to
archer
apartments
llc.
They
intend
to
develop
the
site,
which
is
it
currently
has
three
structures
on
it,
but
it's
considered
five
different
units.
F
I
don't
know
if
it's
been
horizontally
subdivided
or
how
that
worked,
but
they're,
proposing
to
use
the
current
structures
and
add
two
new
buildings,
all
of
which
will
be
developed
into
new
residential
apartments
and
they
are
seeking
an
income
tax
credit
under
the
abandoned
buildings.
Revitalization
act:
this
will
not
affect
the
city
fiscally.
This
is
just
a.
They
requested
us
to
certify
that
it
qualifies
as
an
abandoned
building.
We've
got
an
affidavit
from
the
applicant,
but
it's
it's
actually
signed
by
the
school
district,
indicating
that
the
building
has
not
been
operational.
F
Purposes
over
the
last
five
years,
which
satisfies
the
state
law
criteria,
and
we
would
ask
for
your
recommendation
for
approval
of
the
resolution
certifying
the
the
site
is
in
abandoned
buildings.
A
H
A
H
Thanks,
I,
I
don't
have
any
comments.
I
I
think
this
is
the
right
thing
for
us
to
do.
Obviously,
I
just
think
for
the
record
in
case
people
are
watching
this
meeting
for
the
first
time
that,
even
though
they
they
are
owning
the
property
under
a
private
llc
archer
school
llc.
A
Yes,
I
think
they
heard
about
that,
because
we
were
talking
about
this
a
long
time,
because
this
isn't
the
district
I
represent,
and
I
always
informed
my
compute
community
about
this
and
that's
the
people.
I
really
want
to
know
exactly
what's
going
on,
because
the
public
housing
is
there
and
the
people
were
living
wrong
in
that
particular
area.
So
I
try
to
keep
the
community
that
I
represent.
You
know
in
form
of
what's
going
on
with
the
within
with
this
project
and
it's
supposed
to
be
senior
housing.
I
A
E
B
The
chairman,
when
I
became
mayor,
we
started
looking
at
the
possibility
of
buying
this
building
ourselves.
I
went
through
the
building
many
times
it
is
vacant.
A
It
has
been
a
long
time
yeah
I
drive
by
just
about
every
day,
because
I'm
on
that
in
my
community
every
single
day
driving
through
the
community
every
day-
and
I
know
it's
been
taking
a
long
time
and
it
was
being
used
by
the
the
shelf
department
for
a
while
in
the
fire
department
for
a
while
doing
some
training,
but
it
is
abandoned.
It's
abandoned
building.
A
E
Council,
member
mitchell,
I
will
explain
that
okay
item
the
request
that
is
before
the
cd
committee
of
city
council
is
a
request
for
additional
funds
for
the
bulls
creek
development,
which
is
located
in
our
in
the
west
ashley
community
off
of
highway
61..
E
The
property
is
owned
by
classic
development
corporation
and
flat
iron
partners,
and
if
those
names
sound
familiar,
they
are
the
partnership
that
is
also
building
the
james
lewis,
jr
apartments,
the
city
of
charleston
awarded
this
organization
or
these
organizations,
two
million
dollars
in
bond
funds,
and
they
are
requesting
an
additional
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
funds
to
cover
the
cost
that
they've
incurred
since
starting
construction.
E
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
they
are
requesting.
These
additional
dollars
and
the
attached
requests
provide
you
a
full
budget
as
to
what
that
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
represents.
This
is
a
multi-family
development
rental
for
individuals
that
earn
60
and
below
the
area
median
income.
The
developer
is
willing,
if
necessary,
to
extend
the
period
of
affordability
beyond
the
30
years
to
35
years,
if
necessary,
in
support
of
this
development,
and
I
would
ask
the
community
development
committee
support
of
this.
Mr
bernstein
is
on
the
zoom
meeting
today.
Should
you
have
additional
questions?
A
Thank
you
very
much,
ms
johnson,
for
that
anyone
have
any
questions
of
emotion.
H
Thank
you.
I
I
would
like
to
take
up
the
developer
on
their
offer
for
35
years.
I
think
that
is
pretty
standard
from
what
I
understand
now
in
the
tax
credit
acquisition
arena,
I
guess
and
then
I
would
like
to
know,
do
we
have
a
right
of
first
refusal
ownership
after
that
30-year
period
is
over
ms
johnson.
E
J
Yes,
absolutely
so
councilwoman
jackson,
all
we
do
is
affordable
housing.
That's
that's
really.
The
intent
is
to
continue
for
this
project
to
be
affordable
in
perpetuity.
J
There
are
multiple
avenues
that
can
be
taken
to
rehab
the
property
through
the
tax
credit
program,
and
so
that
is
that
is
our
intention
of
all
of
our
communities
and
and
this
one
would
be
no
different.
J
Probably
in
year
you
know
generally
around
the
20
to
25
year
mark
these
properties
start
to
get
into
a
situation
where
they
require
significant
rehabilitation,
and
we
would
go
back
through
the
tax
credit
program
which
would,
at
that
point
in
time,
extend
the
affordability
period
even
further
through
the
tax
credit
program,
restrictive
covenants,
and
so
we
we
certainly
don't
have
any
problem
extending
the
affordability
period
by
five
years
and
don't
have
any
south
carolina.
H
So
my
everything
that
you
said
is
very
encouraging,
sir,
but
might
those
reasons
then
be
a
good
enough
reason
to
amend
our
funding
contract
with
with
you
all
to
to
have
some
documentation
that
that
would
you
know
basically
codify
or
legalize
your
your
intention
to
make
it
permanently
affordable?
H
I
think
you
know
we've
just
learned
a
lot
over
the
last
many
years
that
30
years
goes
by
and
I
I
totally
believe
and
appreciate
your
mission
that
it's
going
to
be
an
affordable
property
indefinitely,
but
you
know
things
happen
and
owners
change,
and
I
do
think
that
would
be
a
big
feather
in
everyone's
cap
to
have
that
kind
of
memorialized
agreement
on
the
deed
on
the
covenant
on
the
loan.
However,
it
could
best,
be
you
know,
least
intrusive
to
you,
but
most
most
clear.
J
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
just
ask
you
know
when
we
say:
keep
it
affordable
forever.
I
mean,
I
would
say,
let's
just
let's
put
a
year
on
it,
just
you
know,
35
years
anything
can
happen
if
we
want
to
make
that
10
additional
years.
You
know
that
that
would
be
something
that
we
could
accommodate.
You
know,
but
who
knows
what
what
the
world's
going
to
look
like
in
50
years
or
100
years,
but
you
know
we
would
be
willing
to
extend
that
affordable
period
by
more
than
five
years.
A
B
Mayor,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
first
of
all
I
want
to
commend
mr
bernstein
and
his
company.
I
first
met
him
when
they
opened
the
affordable
development
that
they
did
over
on
john's
island.
I
believe
jay,
that's
where
we
we
first
met
and
it
very
very
attractive,
and
they
did
a
great
job
and
their
partnership
with
us
on
the
james
lewis.
Homes
has
been
quite
positive
and
and
they've
actually,
I
think,
have
saved
some
costs
on
that
particular
development,
or
we
had
allocated
a
little
more
than
what
they
needed.
B
So
you
know
they
made
sure.
We
knew
that
and
we
can
now
use
some
of
those
funds
for
other
things.
In
addition
to
that,
they've
been
so
hospitable
in
working
with
us
to
provide
the
ground
floor
of
the
building
for
our
proposed
minority
incubator,
so
that
he's
he
and
they
have
been
a
great
partner.
B
I
think
it's
very
gracious
of
him
to
offer
the
10-year
extension
so
to
speak,
of
the
guaranteed
affordability
period,
and
I
would
move
that
we
amend
the
approval
of
this
additional
funding
with
that
10-year
extension,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
very
fair
thing.
I
mean
I,
I
hear
councilmember
jackson,
we
we
like
to
make
everything
permanent.
We
didn't
start
out
that
way
with
this
deal
and-
and
at
this
point
for
this
request
to
get
an
additional
10
years,
I
I
think
it's
very
gracious.
A
Second,
mr
last
question:
you
mentioned
that
for
40
years,
right,
yes,
okay,
correct!
I
second
the
motion.
Okay,
it
was
moving
second,
that
we
amended
the
time
on
the
years
for
the
affordable
housing
to
40
years.
It's
all
in
favor,
but
by
saying
aye.
C
A
E
I
know
that
I
need
to
update
the
total
project
costs
on
bulls
creek,
but
nevertheless
we
have
approximately
1
million
575
000
left
after
your
approval
of
six
hundred
thousand
to
the
bulls,
creek
development,
okay,.
A
D
A
Okay,
let's,
let's.
A
F
Mr
chairman,
again
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
brief
update
on
this
one.
We
had
we're
really
working
on
the
public
infrastructure
improvements.
Agreement,
jeremy
cook
from
haynes
means
where
sinker
boyd
is
reviewing
that
for
us
and
it
was
very
close
to
being
complete
the
beginning
of
this
week.
F
F
On
monday,
for
a
meeting
on
thursday,
I
begged
gianna
to
see
if
we
could
have
a
special
meeting
on
april
8th
to
consider
this,
which
means
we'll
have
all
the
documents
ready
by
april
1st.
If
that's,
okay
with
the
committee,
I
I
don't
think,
there's
going
to
be
any
huge
surprises,
I
will
say
just
to
give
everyone.
This
really
affects
councilmember,
gregory
and
councilmember
jackson,
but
well
it
shouldn't
affect
either
of
them.
But
I
want
to
make
clear
under
state
law
for
a
development
agreement.
F
The
developer
has
looked
at
city
properties
and
would
like
to
use
morris
island,
which
is
in
council
member
jackson's
district
and
I
don't
know
the
name
of
the
park,
but
it's
the
the
city
park
area
off
riverland
drive
near
greenville
road
in
councilmember
gregory's
district
to
get
to
that
250
acres
of
island.
F
The
agreement
will
be
unconditional,
that
there
will
be
no
development
of
either
of
those
properties,
but
sometimes
constituents.
Don't
they
don't
that?
Doesn't
they
don't
hear
that
and
maybe
the
city
council
don't
want
to
do
that
with
the
development
agreement.
But
I
did
want
to
give
everyone
the
heads
up
and
that's
what's
been
the
properties
that
they've
identified,
that
they
would
like
the
city
to
use
to
allow
them
to
trigger
the
10
years
again
I'll
sign
an
affidavit.
If
I
have
to
there
will
be
this
will
not.
F
Development
on
those
parcels
by
the
city
but
and
city
council
again
doesn't
have
to
allow
them
to
use
it,
but
I
think
that's
that's
really
the
biggest
kind
of
surprise,
if
you
will
at
this
point
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
that.
Yes,
sir.
G
Gregory,
you
know,
I
understand
that
the
land
won't
be
used,
but
are
we
going
to
to
let
the
neighborhood
know
and
if
so,.
F
C
I
F
In
the
divorce
but
the,
but
yes
I
will
we'll
make
sure
we
get
the
word
out
on
that,
and
you
know-
and
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
here
to
begin
with,
the
development
agreement
does
also
require
two
public
hearings,
one
before
planning,
commission
and.
G
K
F
C
Thank
you,
listen.
I
support
laurel
island
development,
but
I
mean
going
all
the
way
to
james
island
put
a
piece
of
property
in
the
development
agreement.
I
mean.
I
understand
it's
not
going
to
be
developing
all
of
that,
but
why
is
that
not
a
farce?.
F
I
F
C
I
mean
is
this
something
where
they
can
go,
and
I
don't
know,
go
to
the
mitigation
bank
and
get
credits
on
something
like
that.
I
I
it
seems
like.
C
I
mean
yeah
kind
of
like
that.
You
know
what
I
mean.
How
do
we
explain
this?
If
constituents
really
were
to
ask
about
that,
we
got
a
development
that
literally
miles
and
miles
apart
and
something
about
that
just
doesn't
sound
legitimate.
I
mean
I,
I
know
your
work
is
good.
The
state
law
requires
to
do
that.
F
F
You
know
I
in
I
can't
advocate
this.
Isn't.
I
F
Of
highland
in
an
urban
area
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
a
five-year
vested
right.
It
should
be
10
years,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
city
you
know
has
had
a
lot
of
invested
in
magnolia
and
you
know
I
I've
kind.
I
F
Said
with
long
island
you
know
we
don't
need
to
be
unreasonable,
but
I
think
we
either
need
to
be
in
or
out,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
how
we
would
find
the
additional
acres
without
using
something
in.
F
Areas
because
I
just
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
tracks
anywhere
else
that
have
this
acreage,
I
think
in
west
ashley.
Anything
that
we
could
probably
use
would
be
under
would
be
covered
by
the
long
savannah
development
agreement,
because
I
think
it
was
donated
to
us
under
the
long
savannah
agreement.
A
Mr
councilman
jackson
and
then
I'll
go
down
to
councilman
gregory
afterwards,.
H
Thank
you,
sir.
Thanks
for
the
heads
up,
mr
mcqueen,
I
understand
we're
not
gonna.
Do
anything
more
than
just
listen
to
you
preview,
what
we're
gonna
be
discussing
on
the
8th
of
april.
I
just
have
two
things
to
say
about
morris
island.
They
may
they
they
may
need
to
be
doing
their
their
development
quicker,
because
if
you
listen
to
the
preservationists
conservationists,
allen
is
disappearing.
H
So
they're
gonna
need
to
act
fast,
and
I
I
think
that
for
sure,
there's
an
organized
friends
of
morris
island
lighthouse
that
I
would
think
would
be
very
happy
to
be
discussing
with
the
developers
of
floral
island
how
they
could
make
them
feel
good
about.
You
know
putting
their
property
into
the
mix.
I
think
there's
probably
some
neighbors
around
the
the
park
on
jackson
and
councilmember
gregory's
district,
who
would
feel
the
same.
Maybe
we
can
make
those
broad
hints
that
it
would
be
great
to
see
some
donations.
G
G
G
I
mean
I
mean
it
just
it
just
goes
back
to
what
councilman
waring
said.
It's
it's
not
real.
B
Afar,
it's
just
to
make
make
the
meet
the
state
requirement.
C
Let
me
take
a
second
try
it
this
one.
Take
a
second
try
again,
you
see
you
got,
you
need
70
acres
or
so
I'm
just
telling
you
trying
to
fill
it
part
of
it.
Suppose
we
took
the
greenway,
the
bikeway,
I
mean
we
got
some,
we
call
it
the
duck
pond
and
it's
retention
area
around
ardmore,
I
mean
suppose
areas
like
that
was
included
in
there.
I
think
that
might
help
them
get
to
that
70
acres.
C
F
C
Right
they
do
have
some
tracks
around,
but
anyway
I
just.
C
I'm
trying
to
help
them
out
in
a
different
way
to
get
closer.
At
least
they
doing
you
run
around
the
river,
and
you
pick
up
the
bikeway
and
the
greenway,
because
both
of
those
across
the
rivers
at
one
time
you
know
so
you
certainly
can
you
know
mr
may
remember
how
I
used
to
run
the
rivers
in
the
marsh
to
pick
up
areas
to
make
it
contiguous.
C
Maybe
we
can
help
do
that
on
this
one.
If
they
can
pick
up
morris
island,
then
maybe
you
know
obviously
bikeway
greenway
some
retention
areas.
That's
certainly
not
going
to
be
built
upon.
C
E
F
That
it
could
be
anywhere
in
the
city
right.
C
As
a
matter
of
fact,
back
to
your
point
of
cpw,
you
know
cpw
is
buying.
You
know,
mr
meadows
other
houses
that
they
eventually
want
to
buy
to
take
that
whole
island.
B
A
No
other
questions,
and
that
was
only
for
information
only
because
sure
you'll
be
coming
back
to
us
on,
hopefully,
on
april
8th,
another
meeting.
F
A
A
Oh,
I
didn't
see
him:
okay,
councilman
pal.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
be
back
off
of
councilman
waring's
thoughts
I
mean,
would
there
be
any
potential
upside
for
the
bikeway
in
greenway?
Being
part
of
this
I
mean.
Are
there
some
opportunities
there
I
mean,
I
know
we're
getting
a
little
ahead
of
ourselves.
Perhaps,
but
I
mean
just
10
000
foot
view
I
mean.
Are
there
some
advantages?
K
F
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
the
other
side-
I
mean
there's
really:
no,
you
can't
use
tiff
funds
over
there.
I
mean
it's
not
because
it
doesn't
well.
I
don't
know
it'd
be
interesting,
whether
or
not
you
could
argue
that
it
enhances
the
development
because
of
the
development
agreement,
but
I
think
that
I
think
jeremy
would
tell
me
that
that
would
be
a
tough
sell,
but
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
him
about
it,
and
I.
F
In
the
in
this
area,
meaning
the
laurel
island
area
for
tiff
funds
anyway
versus
you
know,
I
think
the
benefit
of
laurel
island
and
the
area
around
riverland
drive.
Is
they
don't?
I
mean
they're,
not
things
that
they're
things
they
probably
need
to
stay
the
way
they
are.
I'm
not
sure
of
the
plans
of
the
james,
the
property
on
james.
I
F
I
don't
know
if
a
recreational
center
or
what
have
you
as
planned
there,
but
that's
what
I
kind
of
like
about
that
is
it's
it.
You
know
it's
a
property
that
just
won't.
Have
you.
F
K
Is
you
know
when
you
get
off
the
peninsula?
It's
almost
like
you
go
back
in
time
when,
when
the
dollar
was
like
worth
a
whole
lot
more
or
so
like
it,
you
would
be
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
that
big
of
a
deal
on
the
peninsula.
It
would
be
a
game
changer
on
the
greenway
and
on
the
bikeway.
So
I
think
that
an
interesting
it
could
be
really
interesting
as
we
talk
more
about
connectivity
and
and
linking
various
parts
of
the
city
together
in
a
very
positive
synergistic
relationship.
K
This
may
be,
you
know.
Sometimes
you
know
strange
needs,
give
rise
to
wonderful
collaborations.
So
that's
that's
really.
Some
impressive
out-of-the-box
thinking,
council,
I'm
wearing
I'd,
certainly
be
interested
to
hear
more
about
this.
F
I
would
say
anybody
who
wants
to
see
see
that
in
action,
my
wife's
from
greenville-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
tangent.
But
if
you
visit
greenville-
and
you
know
they
acquired
the
railway
up
there.
That
goes
into
a
community.
I
F
F
I
completely
connectivity
is
huge
and
I
mean
it's
amazing
how
much
a
bigger
city
you
know
a
bigger
urban
area
can
help
out.
You
know
what
was
you
know,
not
a
huge
community
you're,
not
a.
It,
was
kind
of
a
struggling
community,
and
now
it's
you
know
this.
Just
fantastic
bike
ride.
F
You
know
out
it
was
kind
of
out
in
the
country,
but
not
really
so
it
does.
You
points
are
well
taken.
That's.
F
You
went
up
there
to
go
camping,
you
kind
of
passed
through
travelers
rests,
and
now
it's
just
as
you
know,
all
the
young
people
are
hanging.
I
you
know
I
sound
a
little
bit
older
than
I
am,
but
all
the
young
people
are
hanging
out
there
riding
their
bikes
out
there
and
eating
at
the
restaurants,
and
you
know
it's
really
where
it's
more
part
of
greenville
now
and
it
I
mean
it
definitely
shows
you,
the
ability
to
convert
railways
and
also
the
greenway
and
the.
I
A
A
If
there's
any
other
questions,
if
not,
I
can
ask
extra
german.