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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 4/26/2021
B
B
Peter
did
you
watch
the
spring
game,
the
spring
game.
C
B
I
did,
I
would
recommend
watching
the
2012
spring
game
that
might
be
a
little.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
do
this:
let's
help
him
out
with
his
schedule
as
well.
Let's
call
a
meeting
to
order
and
I'm
gonna
ask
councilman
griffin
to
bring
a
few
words
if
you
will.
E
Sure,
thank
you,
dear
heavenly
father.
We
thank
you
for
this
day.
We
thank
you
for
all
the
many
buses
that
you
bestowed
upon
us.
We
ask
that
you
keep
us
ever
mindful
of
the
needs
of
others.
We
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
lead
the
city
and
we
ask
that
you
help
guide
us
in
all
of
our
decision
making
and
look
out
for
every
single
person
in
this
great
city.
We
do
all
these
things
in
your
name,
amen,
amen,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chief
anatolian
obtained
a
motion
on
the
approval
of
the
march
22nd
minutes
in
the
move
properly
moved
in
second.
Second,
without
there
any
discussion
on
those
minutes,
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
hi
hi
any
of
you.
Thank
you,
mr
o'brien,
on
the
temporary
encroachments.
Are
there
anything
that
stand
out
that
needs
calling
to
commission.
A
A
Oh
I'd
go
ahead,
councilman,
where
okay
good!
Thank
you,
mr
giroux.
Let's
get
going
on
the
tree
ordinance
discussion
who's
going
to
lead
that
I'm
sorry,
the
discussion
and
consideration
of
amendments.
G
G
Chairman,
thank
you,
so
julia
and
rodney
porter
have
have
really
toted
the
water
on
this
one
and-
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
tell
everybody
this
is.
This-
is
a
document
that
we
use
as
our
street
tree
bible.
If
you
will,
it
places
the
value
on
trees,
it
tells
us
how
to
plant
trees.
It
tells
us
where
to
plant
trees
that
tells
developers
how
they
have
to
plant
trees
and
what
the
rules
are
that
they
have
to
follow,
and
it
also
helps
us
with
the
value
of
mitigation.
G
So
with
that
said,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
and
just
let
everybody
know
I
just
got
off
of
the
stakeholder
meeting
for
the
angel
oak
preserve-
and
I
presented
everybody
with
this
background
here
of
white
point.
So
right
now
in
the
parks
department
and
before
you
it's
all
about
the
trees,
so
julia
and
rodney.
Thank
you
for
all
your
help.
H
All
right,
thank
you,
jason
and
good
evening,
chairman
in
committee.
I
came
in
late
on
this.
This
is
all
rodney
and
david
and
clark.
So
I'm
happy
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
I'll
just
start
off
by
saying
I'm
going
to
do
a
brief
overview
of
the
the
changes
that
happened
in
the
manual.
There
was
a
memo
attached
to
your
package,
along
with
a
copy
of
the
manual
and
just
a
brief
overview.
We
updated
the
layout
font
imagery,
we
updated
the
mitigation
rates
and
the
processes
which
rodney
will
cover.
H
They've
added
a
few
oak
variations
to
the
list
of
options
for
street
trees
and
there's
additional
details
that
have
been
improved
and
updated
as
far
as
how
to
plant
and
maintain
the
street
trees
along
the
streetways
that
are
dedicated
to
the
city
and
there's
also
an
update
to
the
street,
treat
banking
and
bonding
requirements,
and
the
processes,
including
a
lovely
flow
chart
that
rodney
put
together
for
us,
which
accurately
details
what
they
need
to
do.
And
it
also
includes
all
the
forms
that
they
need
to
fill
out
and
submit
to
the
city
for
approval.
I
Thanks
everybody,
so
the
the
original
street
tree
manual
was
from
what
I
can
recollect
was
adopted
in
2011.
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
an
update
to
it
since
2011
and
it's
pretty
dated
so
certainly
this.
This
new
manual
brings
it
into
the
2020s,
but
the
current
mitigation
rate.
We
have
a
simple
mitigation
rate
for
street
trees
is
295
dollars
for
two
and
a
half
inch
tree.
So
that's
a
hundred
and
eighteen
dollars
per
caliber
inch.
I
Our
new
manual
changes
that
rate
from
118
dollars
per
caliper
inch
to
275
dollars
per
caliber
inch,
and
that
seems
like
quite
a
bit
of
of
a
big
jump,
but
one
thing
that
we've
done
is
this:
275
dollar
rate
takes
into
account
deductions
based
on
tree
location,
species
structure
and
health,
and
that
means
that
we're
not
looking
at
trees
of
all
the
the
same
type
there's
a
bit
more
scrutiny
in
return
for
nice
trees
and
a
bit
more
lenience
for
trees
that
maybe
aren't
so
desired
in
the
right-of-way.
I
So
with
that,
you
know
if
we
look
at
a
a
two-inch
tree
being
removed,
it's
not
the
same
as
a
42-inch
tree
in
value.
Trees
are
replaceable
and,
and
we
we
all
know
that
you
know
they
they're
easy
to
cut
down,
but
you
know
it
it.
What
we
want
to
sort
of
get
away
from
is
developers
looking
at
removing
a
tree
as
the
quote-unquote
cost
of
doing
business
and
and
we'd
like
to
actually
give
the
trees
a
little
bit
better
chance
of
surviving
some
development.
I
So
really
what
it
you
know.
It
takes
also
into
account
sort
of
how
it's
done
over
in
the
planning
department.
Trees
are
graded,
with
an
a
b
c
d
grade,
and
then
a
money
or
a
financial
contribution
is
established
for
that
particular
tree.
So
what
we
have
done
is
looked
at
these
changes
or
looked
at
trees,
and
are
they
located
under
power
lines?
Are
they
do?
They
have
structural
defects?
I
Do
they
have
health
issues,
and
with
this
there
can
be
a
percentage
deduction
of
the
275
dollars
per
caliber
inch,
and
we
have
looked
at
other
municipalities
in
the
area
and,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
here
so
charleston
county,
their
rates
are
based
on
just
a
a
current
market
value.
North
charleston,
their
mitigation
rates,
are
217
dollars
per
inch.
I
I
In
this
manual
we
have
introduced
a
couple
of
these
scenarios.
A
couple
examples
which
can
you
know,
educate
folks
on
on
the
process
we're
going
through
david
grant
has
has
gone
through
and-
and
you
know,
applied
this
to
a
number
of
different
tree
scenarios,
and
we
feel
that
the
return
is
justifiable
and
I
guess
the
the
last
thing
is:
trees
are
now
judged
or
graded
by
an
arborist,
and
that
arborist
is
selected
by
a
developer.
I
So
the
the
scrutiny
of
trees
is
very
fair
and
how
they're
graded
is?
You
know
it's
not
up
to
questioning
by
both
developer
or
by
folks
city,
so
that's
sort
of
it
in
a
nutshell,
I
don't
know
if
y'all
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer.
A
Let
me
ask
questions
mr
porter,
I
just
friday
I
had
a
constituent
call.
Apparently
she
had
a
tree
in
her
yard.
That
was
her
opinion
damaged,
tried
to
get
it
the
right
to
cut
it
down.
The
city
told
her
no
leave
it
out
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago
some
wind
came
along
little
tree
over
on
her
house
now.
She's
complaining
that
you
know
city
calls
it.
A
What
do
we
do
for
something
like
that?
I
mean
when
we,
oh,
mr
cronsberg,
anybody
who
can
jump
in
here
is
copeland.
A
person
tries
to
get
a
damaged
tree
cut
down,
we
tell
them
no
and
then
mother
nature
comes
along
and
in
this
case,
blows
it
on
their
house.
G
That's
a
great
question:
I
would
have
to
know
the
whole
story.
I'd
have
to
know
if
there
was
an
arborist
consulted
if
the
tree
had
been
analyzed
from
a
tree
risk
assessment,
point
of
view,
which
is
a
way
to
to
measure
the
the
risk
of
a
tree,
so
there's
lots
of
things
involved
there.
We
would
also
also
need
to
get
eric
schultz
to
kind
of
give
us
input
on
that,
because
he
is
the
person
that
inspects
the
private
trees.
A
Let
me
do
this,
let
me
circle
back
on
that
not
drag.
You
know,
drag
out
the
meeting
with
the
details
of
that
one.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
the
lady
on
her
now
called
her
central
number
explained
the
situation
and
they
told
her
to
call
it
her
councilman.
So
that's
how
I
got
it.
G
A
All
right
second
thing,
either
to
you
or
mr
porter,
or
whoever
wants
to
take
it
for
some
feeling,
I'm
getting
a
feeling
there's
some
transition
being
lost
between
whatever
the
cutting
policy
is,
for
you
know,
dominion,
energy.
I
understand
why
we
support
them.
A
Why
we
want
to
keep
our
you
know,
lines
up
and
running
with
electricity,
but
when
they
come
through
and
cut,
as
I
suggested
a
couple
weeks
ago,
over
there
by
charlestown
landon
and
whatever
our
policy
is
and
what-
and
I
I'm
a
firm
believer
that
dominion
tries
to
stay
within
that,
but
when
dominion
communicates
it
to
the
actual
guys
out
there
doing
the
cutting.
If
there's
some
transition,
that's
lost
and
we
end
up
with
more
cutting
than
the
policy
requires.
A
You
know
how
does
it?
How
does
this
change
affect?
For
example,
what
was
done
on
old
town
road
as
you
approach
south
atlanta,
the.
G
A
How
I
was
I
followed
the
explanation,
so
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
explain
so
now,
if
I'm
a
developer,
I've
got
a
42
inch
oak
tree
and
where
I
want
to
put
the
road-
and
I
said:
well-
hey
I'll
just
build
those
down
and
pay
the
cost
of
planting
a
new
one.
This
is
going
to
make
that
a
little
bit
more
painful
of
that,
because
I
understand.
A
G
But
yeah
so
unfortunately,
this
doesn't
take
into
consideration
the
the
the
other
agreement
with
dominion
on
how
they.
A
Well
then,
if
I
were
to
digress
and
say
what
agreement
do
we
have
with
dominion,
I
mean:
how
do
we
check?
I
don't
know
if
they're
supposed
to
keep,
I
don't
know
10
feet
off
of
the
line
off
of
the
power
line.
Okay
and
they
cut
15
feet
off
of
the
power
line.
The
minion
tells
the
tree.
Color
stay
10
feet
off.
Somehow
it
kind
of
cuts
15
feet
away.
It.
G
Does
happen
and
what
they
do
is
when
they,
when
they
come
in,
to
start
their
pruning
for
for
power
line
pruning
now
transmission
lines.
G
Our
agreement
does
not
take
that
into
consideration,
so
the
lines
over
there
next
to
charlestown
landing
in
old
town,
the
the
future
old
town
park,
that's
a
transmission
line
and
our
street
tree
pruning
agreement
does
not
control
any
of
that
and
that's
why
it's
a
little
more
aggressive
if
you
will
and
then
they
go
into
the
federal
mandates
and
what
they're
required
by
the
feds
to
keep
their
grid.
Energized.
G
Okay,
but
just
a
quick
note
on
that
that
that
reference
project
they
have
they've
done
a
little
bit
more
work
out
there
than
they
ever
have
done
before.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
they're
replacing
some
poles,
so
they
were
creating
some
access
areas
for
themselves
and
they've.
They
have
an
arborist
report
and
I
suspect,
they're
gonna
recommend-
and
this
is
the
dominion
and
old
and
ccprc
are
going
to
recommend
that
they
take
all
of
those
trees
down
to
to
remove
that
scenario.
A
All
right,
I
kind
of
digressed.
I
can't
see
everybody
so
if
anybody
else
has
any
questions,
no.
F
Clark,
that
might
be.
I
I
I
I
will
say
a
council
member
that
this
new
street
tree
sort
of
guidelines
and
pricing
for
mitigation
takes
into
account
trees
that
are
currently
underneath
power
lines
that
are
all
crooked
and
just
completely.
You
know
I
don't
want
to
say
worthless,
but
just
not
good,
looking
trees.
So
if
they
have
to
come
out,
a
developer
might
not
be
liable
for
the
full
cost
of
a
of
a
tree.
That
looks
like
it's
been
pruned
for
ages
by
dominion.
You
know
it
sort.
A
Well,
I
don't
have
any
so
what's
the
next
step
on
this.
Is
this
a
we
need
a
motion
on
this
new
policy?
I
suspect
amendments
to
the
policy.
C
I
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
some
of
the
discussion
that
that
we've
been
having
on
this
thing
and
you
know
about
damaged,
trees
and
and
power
lines
cutting
and
things
of
that
nature,
because-
and
you
pointed
this
out
at
one
of
our-
I
don't
know
if
it
was
a
committee
meeting
or
city
council
meeting
about
the
work
done
on
old
town
world
right
in
front
of
charlestown
landing,
and
it
looks
like
what
dominion
has
done.
C
Is
that
they've
added
more
pulls
power
line
poles
behind
this
initial
canopy
of
trees
that
were
on
old
town,
road
and
then
behind?
That
was
another
canopy
of
trees,
and
I
don't
know
what
what
came
first
or
the
age
of
these
trees.
But
you
know
those
things
are
were
just
butchered.
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
awesome
yeah.
C
Were
just
butchered
and
so
you've
got
trees
that
had
that
strung
up
and
spread
out
this
way.
Now
that
the
butcher
is
all
you
have
is
just
an
overhang
onto
the
street,
it
looks
you
got
a
power
pole
right
here,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
pay
attention
to,
and
I
read
all
the
stuff
over
the
weekend
how
any
of
that
is
going
to
have
an
impact
on
on
us
in
the
future.
C
As
far
as
I
just
don't
think
it
does.
I
mean
I'm
sort
of
answering
my
own
question
with
this
and
it
would
almost
be
better
and
I
don't
want
to
be
shot
for
saying
this,
but
it
almost
would
be
better
to
get
rid
of
that
first
level
of
canopy
of
trees
that
look
deformed
down
and
you've
got
the
power
lines
and
the
trees
behind
the
power
line.
I
mean
that's
and
I'm
not
sure
how
this
new
ordinance
is
going
to
impact
any
of
that
of
those
kind
of
decisions
with
that.
C
E
C
A
very
sensitive
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
and
people
are
very
concerned
about
this
I
mean
we,
I
think
we
all
got
some
kind
of
feedback
from
our
constituents
as
they
saw
the
dominion
trimming
on
these
power
lines.
C
G
Yes
and
yes,
this
this
street
tree
manual
will
prohibit
trees
from
the
wrong
tree
from
me,
planting
under
a
power
line
in
the
future
right.
So
that's
something
that
we
in
the
parks
department
have
have
kind
of
turned
around
the
past
couple
years.
We
will
not
plant
the
wrong
tree
underneath
we
will
plant
a
right
tree
under
the
power
line
to
minimize
the
future
pruning
that
has
to
happen
in
the
case
of
these
transmission
lines.
Again,
that's
a
probably
a
chicken
in
the
egg
thing
those
trees.
G
G
The
charleston
county
parks
and
recreation,
commission
and
dominion
have
had
a
tree
assessment
done
on
all
those
remaining
trees
and,
if
you
haven't
heard
from
them
yet
I
think
their
recommendation
is
going
to
be
to
remove
a
more
majority
of
those
trees
and
then
cultivate
that
secondary
row
of
trees
behind
the
existing
power
lines
on
their
park
site
to
create
that
part
barrier.
If
you
will
yeah.
C
I
guess
I
kind
of
figured
that's
the
direction
that
we're
heading.
I've
heard
the
rumblies
about
that
and
some
other
communication
about
that
in
fact
taking
place.
So
if
this,
if
this
new,
these
new
amendments
are,
were
in
a
place
right
now,
would
they
be
able
to
do
what
they're
proclaimed
that
they're
proposing
to
do.
G
As
far
as
the
additional
work
that
they
need
like
to
remove
the
trees-
yes,
sir,
I
think
yes,
I
think,
what,
since
they
have
a
certified
arborist
report,
that
and
they've
run
through
a
tree
risk
assessment,
which
is
a
professional
process
that
identifies
the
risk
of
a
tree
and
they've.
Given
all
of
those
remaining
trees
grades,
I
think
it's
their
recommendation
to
remove
most
of
them,
but
I'd
have
to
defer
to
dominion
and
the
ccprc
on
on
what
their
plans
are.
C
But
so
jason-
and
I
I
appreciate
those
comments,
I
think
that's
very
helpful
and
I
and
I
think
that
the
the
idea
that
we're
not
going
to
put
a
quote-unquote
wrong
tree
under
a
power
line
reduces
the
need
for
the
trimming
and
then
would
reduce
the
reaction
from
the
community,
and
it
is
a
it's
a
huge
step
forward
on
all
of
us.
That's
vitally
important.
G
Right,
in
addition
to
that
is
the
new
undergrounding
ordinance
that
you
have
all
passed
recently
will
help
us
kind
of
take
micro
projects.
If
you
will
on
areas
that
might
have
grand
live
oaks,
that
we
need
to
get
underground
more
sooner,.
A
Okay,
well
I'm
glad
to
hear
about
the
changes
22
years
ago,
the
office
park
that
I'm
in
they
required
us
to
put
oak
trees
around
the
perimeter
and
22
years
later.
Those
oak
trees
are
right
about
at
the
power
line
now
and
they're
going
to
start
getting
whacked
and
we
actually
didn't
want
to
put
old
trees
because
of
that
scene.
A
It
took
22
years
to
get
this
amendment
coming
through
I'm
in
sole
support
of
this
one
when
it
comes
back
to
the
charlestown
land
and
I'll
call
for
a
motion
after
this,
but
when
it
comes
to
charlestown
land
and
what
the
solution
is
going
to
be
on
old
town
road
is
that
some
dominion
is
who's
working
with
them.
On
that,
I
think
it
should
be
more.
I
think
west
ashley
revitalization
committee
should
be
involved
with
that
as
well.
Now,
what
goes
back
shouldn't
be
done
in
a
vacuum
right.
C
That's
accurate,
mr
chairman.
We
did
hear
from
them
on
how
they
want
to
redo,
but
I
don't
think
they
got
into
the
specifics
of
tree
removal.
At
that
point,
I
think
that
was
sort
of
implied
what
they
were
hitting,
but
I
did
talk
to
matt
about
that.
So
I
knew
a
little
bit
of
a
heads
up
what
was
going
on.
A
I
definitely
think
our
whack,
mr
chairman,
should
be
involved
with
that.
Certainly,
whatever
plans
should
come
in
from
of
public
works
too.
I
don't
want
to
find
out
what's
going
on
over
there.
After
the
fact,
I
think
we
should
be
on
the
forefront
and
even
come
up
with
suggestions,
if
necessary,
any.
D
Other
really
quick,
councilmember
wearing
rick
is
the
709
cell
phone
number.
The
mayor.
A
Oh
yeah,
I
agree
we're
talking
about
the
new
amendment
to
the
tree
audience.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
Any
input
on
your
path,
your
behalf,
mr
man,
before
we
vote
on
this
amendment,.
J
J
You
know,
and
I
fully
support
the
changes
that
are
being
proposed
here
and
I
I
think
it
shows
an
a
a
value
for
our
our
trees
that
we've
not
been
getting
for
mitigation
purposes,
and
so
I
you
know
I
I
think
this
is
the
right
direction.
I
could
comment
on
on
dominion
for
some
time,
but
I'm
going
to
leave
that
show
another
time.
A
All
right,
mr
me,
I'm
with
you
on
that
one
one
last
question:
when
this
somebody
runs
into
and
have
to
mitigate
I'll
get
you
councilman
ross,
does
the
money
go
to
the
general
fund
or
does
it
go
back
to
our
committee
or
where
does
that
money
go.
G
The
we
have
a
mitigation
fund,
we
have
a
mitigation
spreadsheet,
so
all
of
the
money
that
gets
paid
back
to
the
city
for
tree
removal
is
in
a
special
allocation
that
we
use
for
tree
planting
some
tree
maintenance
and
those
types
of.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
waring
and
jason
rodney
julia
great
job
on
this.
I
think
this
is
a
great
improvement
to
our
street
tree
regulations
and
mitigation
requirements,
but
to
the
to
the
issue
that
we've
seems
to
have
captured
all
of
our
attention
that
we're
not
really
supposed
to
be
talking
about
today,
but
I
think,
remains
a
very
important
issue.
B
B
So
we
have
this
new
framework,
that's
about
two
years
old
now,
and
I
think
that
chairman
waring,
if
you're
interested
we
should,
we
should
put
this
on
the
agenda
for
an
upcoming
public
works
and
utilities
committee
meeting,
just
to
kind
of
have
a
two-year
review.
You
know
this
agreement's
been
in
effect
for
a
couple
years.
You
know
dominion
has
been
operating
under
it
both
on
the
peninsula
west,
ashley
elsewhere.
What
works?
What
isn't
working
you
know?
B
Are
we
communicating
properly
together?
Are
there
checks
and
balances
proper
property?
I
just
think
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
have
that
conversation,
especially
as
we
head
in
towards,
I
believe,
a
franchise
agreement
renegotiation
in
the
coming
years,
because
you
know
dominion
has
a
important
job
to
do.
B
They've
got
to
maintain
clear,
safe
lines,
but
you
know
we
also
have
to
recognize,
especially
on
the
peninsula
and
some
of
our
older
neighborhoods
in
james
island
west
ashley,
that
these
are
very
unique
places
and-
and
what's
in
the
you
know,
engineer's
book,
you
know,
isn't
necessarily
the
right
balance
at
all
times,
and
you
know
the
the
new
non-standard
service
agreement
ordinance
that
we
passed
the
other
day
is
going
to
be
great
we're
going
to
get
some
more
projects
into
the
ground.
B
But
you
know
that's
not
all
that's
not
going
to
solve
all
of
our
problems
in
in
my
lifetime.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
So
in
the
meantime,
we
got
to
continually
be
working
to
make
sure
that
our
frameworks
and
our
agreements
with
dominion
make
sense
and
are
reasonable
and
that
we're
striking
that
appropriate
balance.
So
I
so
I'd
like
to
see
you
know
maybe
the
second
half
of
this
year
or
something
we
get
that
on
an
agenda.
B
So
we
can
all
have
a
look
and
really
get
all
the
information
and
facts
out
on
the
table.
A
That's
why
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea-
and
I
know
mr
fountain
is
listening
and
mr
o'brien,
if
we
can
put
that
on
the,
if
not
the
next
agenda.
Certainly
a
gen
agenda
in
may
give
some
people
some
time.
So
let's
do
it.
The
second
meeting
in
may.
F
A
Suggestion
all
right:
oh,
let's
get
a
motion
on
the
amendment.
We
don't
have
a
motion
on
the
floor,
so
move
properly
move.
Second,
second,
any
more
discussion
hearing,
then
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,.
J
A
Any
opposed,
thank
you,
mr
fountain.
I
believe
you're
up,
stormwater
manual
task
force,
update
yeah.
K
K
I
would
say
the
the
general
consensus
from
the
the
task
force
was
that
they
seemed
to
feel
the
the
new
manual.
The
major
updates
have
been
relatively
successful.
I
think
it's
it's
been
a
clear
and
consistent
update,
even
though
it
is
obviously
stricter
from
a
stormwater
requirement
threshold.
The
development
community,
especially
in
the
kind
of
technical
engineering
consulting
community,
both
expressed
you
know,
general
support
for
the
way
it's
been
it's
been
implemented,
which
is
a
big
shift
even
from
when
we
first
implemented
it
last
year.
K
Certainly
still,
you
know
concerned
that
they
don't
want
it
necessary
to
be
stricter,
but
there
did
seem
to
be
general
support
that
they
they
are
able
to
understand
the
requirements
more
clearly
and
they're,
more
consistently
applied
and
there's
less
uncertainty,
which
I
think
was
a
big
push
from
the
public
works
utilities
committee,
mr
chairman,
from
when
we
first
talked
about
the
manual
trying
to
remove
some
of
the
discretion
trying
to
remove
some
of
the
areas
that
are
left
up
more
for
like
professional
opinion
and
having
kind
of
clear,
consistent
standards,
and
that
seems
to
be
going
well.
K
We
did
talk
about.
We've
had
about
just
about
75
new
development
projects
submitted
under
that
manual
in
the
first
nine
months.
The
manual
has
been
effective,
so
there
has
been
quite
a
bit
of
work
done,
so
there
at
least,
is
an
informed
opinion
on
that
on
that
topic.
However,
as
we
talked
about
kind
of
expanding
out
the
conversation
into
other
project
discussions,
that's
where
there
was
some
some
hesitancy
in
the
manual
or
in
the
task
force
for
making
a
definitive
statement
about
options
to
say,
and
specifically
we're
talking
about,
fill
here.
K
K
So
we
we
did
get
quite
a
bit
of
consensus
on
small
sites
that
I
think
there
was
an
agreement
that
those
need
regulation,
because
a
lot
of
the
the
community
see
that
those
are
kind
of
still
giving
a
bad
name
to
development
occurring
in
the
city,
because
they're
so
lightly
regulated.
K
There
were
a
few
technical
folks
who
you
know
kind
of
cautioned
us
to
not
over
regulate
the
very
small
commercial
developments
and
make
them
hard
to
build.
But
there
there
was
a
the
discussion.
Point
basically
evolved
to
this
push
of
showing
pre-development
flow
paths.
Basically,
where
is
water
going
before
you
build
the
site
and
then
post
development
flow
paths
to
say
all
right
after
development,
any
water
being
generated
on
the
site
has
to
make
its
way
to
a
public
storm
water
system
like
that
that
was
well
supported.
K
It's
a
relatively
low
lift
from
an
engineering
and
calculation
standpoint
and
one
that
does
provide
a
lot
of
benefit
so
that
that
went
well
and
then
we
did
of
course,
spend
more
time
on
the
fill
provision.
Again
like
we
we
talked
about.
There
was
some
concern
about
from
the
development
community
about
the
amount
of
time
the
manual
been
in
place,
and
we
had
a
similar,
similar
input
from
kind
of
the
surrounding
regulatory
and
more
scientific
based
communities
as
well,
maybe
not
to
that
strength
as
the
developers.
K
But
there
was
some
concern.
However,
all
the
groups
did
seem
to
be
comfortable
with
the
idea
of
potentially
doing
a
fill
or
a
a
restriction
on
slab
on
grade
construction
as
a
way
to
reduce
the
incentive
for
phil.
I
think
again
certainly
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
development
community,
but
there
is
generally
a
idea
that,
yes,
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
drives
sites
toward
phil
is
the
availability
of
that
building
product
for
builders
who
who
basically
buy
these
tracks
and
build
on
them.
K
I
do
want
to
to
note
that
you
know
we
don't
have
a
strong
presence
in
the
building
community
on
that
task
force,
but
it's
not
it's
not
one
of
the
areas
that
we
had
focused
on
on
the
like
the
track
builders
or
the
single
family
home
builders.
So
I
think
that
still
bears
some
reach
now.
I
know
patrick
arnold's
been
happy
to
be
a
point
person
for
that
group
in
the
chamber.
K
Certainly,
I
think,
would
be
worth
talking
to
on
that
front,
but
from
at
least
the
manual
task
force,
which
is
a
pretty
wide
range
of
developers,
scientific
groups,
regulatory
groups
that
that
I
think
garnered
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
floodplain
is
a
good
potential
for
ways
to
reduce
incentivizing
fill
most
of
the
developers
said.
You
know
it's
just
as
easy
for
them
to
build
to
any
foundation
type.
They
really
don't
see
it
causing
any
problems.
K
So
that
was
that's
my
relatively
quick,
quick
and
somewhat
abrupt
update,
but
we
I'm
happy
to
discuss
any
of
those
points
in
more
detail.
If
someone
would
like
to
hear
more
about
any
of
the
the
specific
topics.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Matt.
Do
you
anticipate
some
of
the
communication
improvements
between
the
development
community
and
the
staff
regarding
our
stormwater
manual
will
help
speed
up
some
of
the
permit
review
time
and
some
of
the
back
and
forth
of
the
trc
that
I'm
sure
we're
all
familiar
with
you
know,
hearing
from
various
elements
of
our
community
over
the
years.
K
Yeah,
absolutely
so,
that's
a
that's
a
big
focus
of
what
we
tried
to
do
with
the
manual
to
provide
clarity.
We
did
all
these
and
you
can
still
see
them
on
our
website
the
technical
procedure,
documents
and
tapings
of
training
sessions
on
how
the
new
manual
be
implemented.
I
think
that
helped
a
lot.
We
were
actually
getting
very
close
to
being
fully
on
time
with
our
submittals.
Unfortunately,
we
did
have.
K
We
have
lost
two
of
our
three
staff
reviewers
in
the
last
month,
so
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
resurgence
and
delays,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
hire
those
positions
back
in
and
we
do
expect
to
get
back
to
where
we
were
a
couple
of
months
ago,
which
is
with
more
like
a
nine.
You
know,
80
to
90
percent
type
on
time,
review
and
and
working
through
our
backlog.
So
it's
it
is
getting
better.
It's
just.
We
need
to
keep
the
staff
up
to
be
able
to
get
through
those
reviews.
A
You
know
I've
been
a
little
remissed.
Councilwoman
jackson
was
on
the
call
that
I
wanted
to
certainly
acknowledge
her
willingness
to
listen
in
on
our
meeting.
You
have
any
input,
ms
jackson.
L
No,
I
I
was
able
to
sit.
I
mean
I've
served
on
the
manual
committee
on
behalf
of
the
council,
and
so
I
was
able
to
go
to
the
review
session
and
I
think
matt's
done
a
good
job
of
summarizing.
It.
L
I
I
personally
am
one
that
would
be
very
favorably
inclined
to
take
a
new
look
at
the
small
subdivisions
or
the
single
newly
developed
properties,
because
I
do
feel
like
especially
in
you
know
my
district
in
the
aging
suburbs,
where
the
lots
are
fairly
large.
They're,
very
tempting
people
to
you,
know,
sell
and
a
new
builder
comes
in
and
either
doesn't
tear
down,
or
you
know,
grows
a
huge
footprint
where
there
used
to
be
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
property
built
out.
J
So
so,
following
up
on
both
councilmember
jackson's
remark
about
single
properties
and
mr
fountain's
prior
remarks
about
building
on
grade,
and
he
may
reasonably
need
to
to
to
check
in
with
a
few
other
folks
for
input.
J
But
but
I
I
is
it
appropriate
to
ask
that
staff
prepare
the
amendments
to
this
manual
and
bring
back
to
us
for
consideration.
That
would
would
would
put
those
and
any
other
notable
policy
changes
that
that
came
out
of
that
meeting.
In
those
discussions.
K
Absolutely,
mr
chairman,
we
can,
we
can
certainly
start
putting
together.
A
Like
to
have
it
included
is
keep
a
watchful
eye
on
affordable
housing
that
would
be
created
as
infill,
because
we
don't
want
to
unintend
the
consequence
to
be
pretty
expensive
for
another
hurdle
in
the
way
of
creating
affordable
housing,
in
particular
on
an
infill
site
in
the
old
area
that
some.
A
Areas
that
exist
with
westerly
ashley
and
james
allen,
lester
except
john
john,
any
any
more
input
from
the
committee.
Thank
you
everybody.
Now
we
have
a
executive
session.
F
That
the
staff
of
the
staff
members
on
that
would
need
to
be
myself,
mr
somerville
and
mr
benjamin
from
tnt,
obviously
tracy
and
rick,
and
the
mayor
and
the
committee
and
then
also
the
legal
staff
led
by
mr
mcqueen,
would
be
the
best
for
bethany's
really
information.
So
she
knows
julia
move
into
that.