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From YouTube: City Council Sub Committee of 5-23-22
Description
City of Chelsea, https://www.chelseama.gov/city-council/events/127761
A
C
B
A
This
meeting
was
a
call
as
a
result
of
a
communication
that
was
received
by
the
city
council
council
of
tamale
video
moved
this
and
I'm
going
to
read
the
email
so
that
we
have
some
background
here.
An
email
is
from
a
jennifer
griffin,
hello.
My
name
is
jennifer
griffin.
I
live
at
70
prescott,
ave
in
chelsea
mass.
A
I
was
at
city
council
meeting
last
night
that
was
january
10th,
but
arrived
a
few
minutes
late
and
could
not
read
the
following
during
the
public
speaking
I'm
sending
a
request
to
change
an
ordinance
for
chapter
25,
section
24-54
reason
for
requesting
this
change
is
because
I
began
to
look
into
police
pay
and
details
over
time.
It
turned
out.
When
I
requested
the
records.
A
A
A
A
The
reason
for
this
email
is
the
change
in
orders
put
into
place
by
the
city
that
an
officer
has
to
be
at
details
when
this
one
by
this
law.
It's
not
required
a
24-minute
video
in
fast
motion
for
obvious
reason,
was
sent
to
city
council
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
takes
place
when
an
officer
is
out
of
detail
and
why
it
is
not
necessary.
A
This
would
explain
why
the
city
is
potentially
in
the
top
25
most
dangerous
city,
who
could
possibly
be
productive.
Working
89
hours
per
week
signed
jennifer
griffin,
so
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
the
maker
of
the
motion.
The
molly
vidal,
who
sent
this
to
subcommittee
on
conference.
E
Yeah,
so
I
guess
I
have
a
few
comments
and
in
terms
of
the
response
to
the
the
communication
kind
of,
I
guess,
a
lot
of
what
was
put
in
that
that
email
was
is
in
terms
of
police
details
as
kind
of
apples
and
oranges.
I
think
there
was
some
some
reference
to
to
crime
statistics,
comparing
chelsea,
revere
and
other
communities.
E
I
mean
honestly,
I
don't
have
no
idea
what
that
has
to
do
with
police
details
unless
the
purpose
of
the
communication
was
specifying
some
type
of
penalty
towards
chelsea
police
officers,
which
I
don't
think
it
was,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
kind
of
understand
the
the
reasoning
there.
That
being
said,
just
to
just
a
quick
note
that
you
know
chelsea
being
quote
unquote,
you
know
any
any
list
of
the
most
dangerous
city
is
not
accurate.
There
was
a
time
some
years
ago,
going
back
to
2011
2012
2013.
E
As
we
all
know,
it's
well
documented.
We
had
some
problems
with
with
violent
crime
and
property
crime
and,
as
a
result,
total
crime.
Thankfully,
we've
been
able
to
drive
those
numbers
down
significantly
as
it
stands.
Right
now,
chelsea
is
is
not
even
in
the,
which
is
a
great
news
for
us.
There
was
a
time
I
think
we
were
number
three
or
four
per
capita
in
the
country
now
we're
not
in
the
top
100,
which
is
which
is
great.
E
We
talked
at
the
city
council
meeting
just
a
few
nights
ago,
how
the
number
of
arrests
that
we
were
making
well
in
response
to
the
criminal
activity
was
on
average
about
3500
a
year,
and
now
that
number
is
around
600
a
year,
so
things
have
definitely
changed
for
the
better.
Certainly
the
in
terms
of
police
details,
just
one
one
quick
comment.
E
police
details
were
around
long
before
I
ever
became
a
police
officer,
not
just
in
chelsea
but
across
the
state.
I
know
that
for
many
years
in
the
80s
and
into
the
90s
we
could
never
fill
police
details.
We
actually
know,
if
you
guys
remember,
but
you
kind
of
think
back
in
time
we
used
to
have
the
suffolk
county
sheriff's
office,
like
on
the
street,
doing
details
the
chelsea
offices.
It
just
wasn't
attractive
for
them
to
work
details
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
E
E
I
know
the
the
number
of
details
and
I
know
in
terms
of
the
the
amount
the
dollar
amount
was
a
time
I
I
guess
thinking
back.
It
was
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
then
over
the
years,
half
a
million,
then
certainly
a
million
and
then
like
everything
else,
the
the
the
construction
work
and
the
road
work
in
the
city
pretty
much
this
there's
something
happening
every
day.
There
are
chelsea
officers
that
work
them.
E
There
are
revere
offices
and
winthrop
offices
and
everett
officers
that
also
work
them
in
chelsea
via
our
mutual
aid
agreement.
We
rely
on
them
to
help
us
out
and
we
can't
fill
details
over
time.
I
know
there
was
a
brief
reference
to
overtime
over
time
to
some
might
be
considered
a
benefit,
and
perhaps
myself
coming
up
through
the
ranks.
When
I
think
back,
I
I
looked
at
it
like,
I
would
never
say
no
to
any
overtime
shift.
E
You
know,
unfortunately,
to
the
detriment
of
my
family,
but
I
would
just
work
whenever
there
was
shifts
available,
that
that
mindset
is
more
or
less
changed.
I
in
this
day
and
age,
kind
of
going
back
for
the
last
10
years
or
so.
The
overtime
that
we
do
hire
is
all
pretty
much
forced
overtime.
It's
very
rare
that
someone
volunteers
to
work
in
overtime
shift.
We
have
mandatory
minimums
for
staffing
and
we
have
to.
Unfortunately
when
we
need
shifts
to
be
filled.
E
Flaggers
would
do
the
same
job
as
a
cop
for
half
the
money,
half
the
rate
and
on
its
face.
That
seemed
to
make
sense
until
the
you
know
we
kind
of
dug
down
and-
and
we
got
all
the
all
the
did.
Our
research
and
got
all
the
numbers
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
something
known
as
prevailing
wage
to
something
known
as
who's
ever
going
to
be
in
terms
of
a
company.
That's
going
to
employ
these
folks,
they're,
obviously
in
business,
to
make
money.
E
So
the
savings
was
one
thousand
percent
move
and
then
the
idea
of
having
officers
who
are
off
duty
who
are
basically
on
the
day
off
or
on
their
time
off
in
uniform
with
a
you
know,
obviously,
with
the
radio
you
know
in
full,
uniform
with
with
the
weapon
gun
badge
the
whole
nine
being
able
to
respond
in
the
event
of
a
large-scale
event,
and
it's
not
just
quote
unquote
just
in
case
there's,
there's
been
many
many
many
I
said
in
chelsea.
There's
definitely
been
hundreds.
God
knows
across
the
state.
E
Thousands
of
incidents
where
officers
have
responded
to
a
high-profile
incident
that
took
place
within
their
immediate
proximity
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that,
rather
than
having
five
or
six
offices
on
the
street,
you
might
have
25
with
these
different.
You
know
offices
on
details
all
around
the
area
and
again
for
the
most
part
that
are
not
being
paid
by
the
city
but
but
outside
contractors.
E
So,
for
the
life
of
me,
you
know
again
2008
2009.
We
talked
about
this
and
I
it's
come
up
every
now
and
again
hasn't
come
up
in
a
while
and
again
you
know
all
respect
to
anyone
that
you
know,
and
certainly
the
council,
you
know
like
she
to
molly
just
said
she
wants
to
kind
of
get
the
facts
and
ask
questions,
and
I
respect
that
100
percent.
But
you
know
just
in
in
terms
of
the
issue
being
raised
to
me:
it's
it's
very,
very
straightforward.
E
These
offices,
that
you
know
we-
I
don't
know
you
know
in
terms
of
how
much
money
they
make,
how
many
hours
they
put
in.
That's
all
on
them.
What
they
decide
in
terms
of
their
40
hours
beyond
their
40
hours
is
all
a
decision
they
make
to
supplement
their
income
if
they
can
manage
that.
But
I
just
think
and
again
just
be
reiterating
the
last
point
I
mean
we
all
can
agree.
You
know,
police
visibility
is
important.
E
We
all
can
agree
that
visibility
of
officers
uniform
officers
on
the
street
certainly
is
a
deterrent
to
crime,
there's
no
way
of
measuring
how
many
crimes
we
prevented
by
having
offices
in
a
given
location
at
a
given
time,
but
certainly
you
know
common
sense.
I
would
think
kind
of
prevails
on
on
that
one
issue,
but
those
are
just
my
my
general
comments
to
the
communication,
but
I'll
certainly
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
as
well.
D
D
E
It's
a
quote,
unquote
off
regular
duty,
so
we
say
off-duty
they
it's
you
know.
Regular
duty
is,
is
officers
that
are
sworn
to
work,
a
given
shift
and
then
quote
unquote
they
have
their
their
assigned
days
off
or
they
might
be
working
at
midnight
tonight
and
they're,
not
obviously
working
till
midnight.
E
D
E
D
F
G
Yes,
so
there
are
there,
there
are
regulations
where
the
state
would
allow
for
a
civilian
flagger
on
certain
municipal
roads
with
the
I-
and
I
don't
have
the
regulation
in
front
of
me,
but
my
memory
is
if
the
speed
of
if
the
speed
limit
is
less
than
45
miles
an
hour,
you're
allowed
to
have
a
flagger
on
a
municipal
road
and
there's
some
other
restrictions.
So
in
chelsea
we
have
two
impediments
to
if
this
council
ever
wanted
to
use
civilian
flaggers
as
opposed
to
police,
and
it's
not
anything
I
would
recommend.
G
I
think
it
is
in
the
city's
best
interest
to
have
sworn
police
officers
doing
details
as
opposed
to
civilian
flaggers,
even
if
there
were
a
marginal
difference
between
the
pay
of
the
detail
rate
and
the
prevailing
wage
pay
for
a
flag
which
is
not
insignificant.
It's
quite
high.
There
may
be
a
small
differential
between
that
and
the
detailed
pay
for
an
officer,
but
regardless
of
that,
my
recommendation
would
be.
G
We
are
much
better
served
with
sworn
officers,
but
if
this
council
ever
wanted
to
proceed
to
consider,
you've
got
two
local
impediments,
one
this
ordinance,
which
specifically
requires
police
details,
you'd
have
to
change
this
ordinance.
The
second
impediment
is
the
collective
bargaining
agreements
with
the
police
unions,
which
allow
for
details.
The
practice
is
to
have
police
details.
G
So
those
two
impediments
currently
exist.
First
is
the
ordinance
which
you
can
take
care
of
pretty
expeditiously.
If
you
wished,
I
wouldn't
advise
it,
but
you
could.
The
second
one
is
a
much
more
time-consuming
effort,
because
it
would
require
collective
bargaining
and
the
next
time
these
two
contracts
are
up
is
in
july
of
2024.
D
D
How
about
my
other
question
is
how
about
I
understand
for
private
entities?
They
pay
or
they
request
a
public
police
detail,
but
when
the
city
itself
is
doing
road
work,
why
is
it
mandatory
to
have
details
who
pays
for
that
who's,
paying
the
detail
for
the
police
officer
to
be
there
for
for
city
work,
and
why
are
we.
G
D
I'm
thinking
about
just
the
need
in
the
community
and
just
the
hit
that
we've
had
in
the
past
couple
of
years,
and
I
understand
that
there
are
certain
rules
or
certain
details
that
would
require
a
public
safety
official.
I
get
that,
but
I
and
I
get
the
mutual
aid
agreement,
but
it's
kind
of
like
why
are
we
paying
police
officers
outside
of
our
city
when
we
can
potentially
hire
flaggers
to
fill
those
positions?
Those
details
instead.
G
D
Are
there
any
details
that
no
you
already
answered
that
question?
Okay,
so
I'm
I'm
going
to
just
make
one
last
comment
and
then
open
it
up
for
other
counselors
see
if
they
have
any
questions,
and
it's
that
I
the
only
thing
I
disagree
with
what
chief
said
is
that
any
police
officer
working
above
their
40
hours
is
kind
of
is
at
their
discretion,
and
I
understand
police
officers
needing
to
take
details
to
supplement
their
income
when
we're
requiring
to
live
in
a
city.
E
To
just
respond
because
yeah
it's
an
anomaly,
there
may
be
one
off.
First
of
all,
we
have
a
rule
on
on
how
many
hours
an
officer
can
work
in
one
given
day.
They
cannot
work
more
than
16
hours
in
a
given
day.
We've
had
that
rule
forever.
If
there
is
one
or
two
offices
that
work
a
lot,
that's
one
or
two,
the
vast
majority
of
the
police
department
does
not
work
a
lot.
E
There
was
a
time
when
I
was
coming
up
and
I
would
work
myself
personally,
probably
40,
plus
40
hours
a
week
and
in
many
offices
that
were
my
age
would
do
the
same.
Those
days
are
gone
for
the
most
part.
Now
an
officer
works
there
40
hours
in
maybe
eight
hours
in
the
eight
hours
they
work,
usually
they're,
held
over.
If
it's
overtime,
they're
held
over,
they
may
decide
to
voluntarily
work
a
shift
on
it
on
a
detail,
but
that
that's
all
that
all
depends.
It's
all
totally
a
personal
decision.
E
But
to
think
that
you
know,
I
know
you
kind
of
went
on
with
that,
but
to
think
that
most
officers
are
working,
40
hours
plus
40.,
not
true,
absolutely
not
true,
and-
and
I
your
your
comment
about
officers
having
to
rely
on
working
extra
duty
pay
like
police
teachers
yeah.
I
couldn't
agree
more.
I
think
the
I
have
the
union
presidents
behind
me
and
I
know
they
advocated
very
strongly
for
certain
pay
raises.
E
D
G
E
E
C
H
E
E
C
E
And
well,
to
other
points
I
mean
just
to
kind
of,
I
think
you
were
kind
of
hit
towards
it,
but
number
one.
You
know
officers
have
legal
authority
to
stop
a
motor
vehicle,
meaning
they
put
their
hand
up
to
stop
and
if
someone
refuses
and
decides
I'm
late
for
work,
I'm
going
around
that
office,
I'm
taking
off
officers
can
legally
stop
the
motor
vehicle
and
not
that
we
encourage
this,
but
they
can
actually
make
an
arrest
via
chapter
90.
Section
25.
E
civilian
flag
is
obviously
don't
have
that
authority.
We
we
run
into
those
problems
even
with
the
school
crossing
guards
in
the
morning
where
people
you
know,
they'll,
stop
cars
and
people
just
decide.
I'm
late,
I'm
going
right
by
everybody
and
in
terms
of
having
offices,
especially
in
chelsea,
arguably
the
most
densely
populated
city
in
the
state.
E
E
E
C
E
In
theory
I
mean
I,
we
thought
you
know
this.
These
mutual
aid
agreements
have
been
in
effect
for
25
years
and
honestly,
you
know
the
officers
behind
me
could
comment.
It
happens.
It
doesn't
happen
that
often,
for
the
most
part,
it's
very
very.
If
there's
a
hundred
details,
two
of
them,
maybe
one
of
them,
was
outside
the
city.
Okay,
all
right.
C
E
Goes
just
reminding
me:
we
also
have
what
we
what's
known
as
special
police
officers.
These
are
retired
chelsea
police
officers
that
have
to
maintain
their
40
hours
of
in-service
training,
go
to
the
firearms
range,
their
medical
and
cpr,
and
have
a
medical
visit
once
a
year
that
we
allow
them
to,
if
they're,
in
good
standing
to
be
sworn
as
a
special
police
officer
they're
on
our
pecking
order.
E
In
that
we
have
our
full-time
officers,
we'll
have
the
first
priority
at
certain
jobs
by
the
way,
the
whether
whoever
the
supervisor
is
doesn't
just
kind
of
pick
and
choose
who's
going
to
work.
We
have
a
very
strict
policy,
very
comprehensive
policy.
It's
basically
based
on
contractual
language,
which
says
that
details
shall
be
assigned
on
a
fair
and
equitable
basis,
and
it
is
essentially
very
fair
and
equitable.
But
after
the
full-time
officers,
the
retirees
can
sign
that
they're
available
for
given
shifts
and
work
those
details
as
well.
I
A
J
So
it
was
attached
to
the
email
I
sent
a
24-minute
video
along
with
pitches
of
officers
and
what
they
do
throughout
the
day
like
when
I
go
to
get
my
coffee
and
I'm
told
that
there's
four
full-time
offices
sometimes
on
at
a
time
and
there's
three
of
them
sitting
at
starbucks
having
this
big
pow
wow.
So
I
sent
pictures
of
that.
I
sent
pictures.
It
wasn't
just
one
detail.
I
have
several
and
where
I
sat
for
you
know
an
hour
two
hours.
I
just
sent
you
a
clip
of
24
minutes
of
what
takes
place.
J
So
you
know
in
terms
of
like
you
know,
it's
better,
it's
safer.
When
I
tell
you
they
were
so
distracted
talking
to
each
other
and
looking
at
their
phones,
that
it
wouldn't
have
made
a
difference
whether
it
was
a
flag,
man
or
an
officer.
You
can
clearly
see
it
in
the
video.
So
if
you
don't
have
it
I'd
be
happy
to
resend,
for
you
guys
to
look
at
it.
D
E
You
know
just
to
comment
on
that,
and
so
you
know-
and
I'm
not
going
to
say
in
terms
of
what
the
video
showed
I
didn't
see
it,
but
you
know
have
there
been
times
when
officers
are
not
if
they're
looking
at
their
phone
or
not
paying
attention,
I'm
sure
there
are
is.
Does
that
make
me
happy?
It
does
not,
and
the
union
presidents
behind
me
know
that
we
have
supervisors.
We
have
strict,
strict
supervision.
E
There's
been
many
offices
that
have
been
disciplined
over
the
years
for
for
inattention
to
duty
or
neglect
of
duty,
whether
it
be
on
regular
duty
or
details
and
so
forth,
and
in
certainly
the
residents
the
public
in
general
folks
are
out
there
folks
have
their
eyes
folks
have
their
their
phones,
they
can
record
things,
they
can
see
things.
It
looks
terrible,
hopefully
it's
more
of
an
anomaly
and
not
certainly
not
not
routine.
I
just
know
that
you
know
I'm
out
there
as
well.
E
I
have
an
unmarked
vehicle
people,
don't
necessarily
see
me
coming
and
if
I
see
something,
that's
unacceptable,
I'm
the
first
one
and
again
the
gentleman
behind
you
behind
me
will
will
back
me
up
on
this
to
get
out
of
the
motor
vehicle
and
and
set
them
straight
on
the
spot.
They're
there
to
work
they're
there
to
perform
a
duty
they're
there
to
keep
people
safe
and
to
the
extent
that
I
get
a
video
sent
to
me
or
I
get
a
picture
sent
to
me.
A
C
D
I
E
No,
we
have
a
rule
16
hour,
no
more
than
16
hours
a
day
and
it's
monitored
and
is
there's
no
exceptions
and
actually,
let
me
think
about
this.
Well,
ordinarily,
the
rule
is
16
hours
a
day.
We
did
have
a
bit
of
an
adjustment
of
what's
called
18.5.
We
do
have
one
particular
shift.
It's
a
impact
shift,
it's
a
ten
and
a
half
hour
shift
and
those
offices
do
have
the
ability
to
work
a
a
detailer
in
overtime,
so
that's
kind
of
the
exception.
E
But
for
the
most
part
it's
16
hours
a
day
is
the
is
the
limit,
and
that
being
said,
it's
you
know,
there's
no
one
that
works
16
hours,
seven
days
a
week,
because
the
opportunity's
not
there,
that's
number
one
and
number.
Two
again.
I
have
a
couple
of
offices
that
come
to
mind
that
do
work
a
lot.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
answering
questions
but
a
couple
of
offices
that
do
come
to
mind
that
do
work
a
lot,
but
that's
more
of
the
certainly
the
exception
than
the
rule.
F
And
counselors
remember
just
because
they
were
paid,
the
four
hours
doesn't
mean
they
had
to
work
the
four
hours
remember
if
we
call
them
in
so
some
of
these
numbers
are
not
specific
as
to
how
many
hours
they
actually
worked
at
that
time.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
So
once
you
call
them
in
they
get
paid
for
four
hours.
E
She's
right
I
mean
contractually.
There
is
a
contractually.
There
is
a
four
hour
minimum.
So
if
officers
are
there
a
short
time,
it's
a
minimum
four
that
doesn't
happen.
That
often,
but
there
is
on
the
other
side
of
that
there
is
a
another
contractual
provision.
If
an
officer
works
more
than
four
hours
five
hours
six
hours,
they
get
a
minimum
of
eight.
So
there
are
times
when
officers
could
work
six
and
a
half
seven
hours
and
they're
getting
paid
for
rate
again
that's
standard
in
collective
bargaining
agreements
for
police
across
the
state.
I
I
E
I
E
Like
I
say
hundreds
and
I
I
have
one
that
you
know-
certainly
we
you
think
of
violent
crime,
you
think
of
god,
forbid.
Someone
took
out
a
weapon
hurt
somebody
shot,
somebody
stabbed
somebody
killed,
somebody
robberies,
but
I
I
have
one
that
does
come
to
mind
and
great
story
but
heartbreaking.
At
the
same
time-
and
this
was
the
late
john
bruniti
who
john
was
working
at
detail
in
park
square,
there
was
a
woman
who
saw
him
because
he
was
out
there
in
terms
of
in
uniform,
directing
traffic
she
pulled
over.
E
She
was
with
her
husband.
Her
baby
was
choking,
her
baby
had
swallowed
a
penny
and
she
got
out
of
the
car
and
and
very
upset,
obviously
and
john
went
to
her
aid
and
baby's
name
was
brianna,
was
about
a
year
old
and
took
the
child
and,
through
his
training,
was
able
to
give
back
blows
and
chest
thrust
and
have
the
the
penny
removed
and
the
little
baby
survived.
And
you
know
when
john
passed
and
we
had
the
the
funeral
over
at
st
rose
and
little
brianna.
E
You
know
some
years
now
she
was
getting
older.
She
was
about
four
years
old
and
the
parents
came
to
the
funeral
and
you
know
truly
heartbreaking,
but
a
situation
like
that
when
you
say
that
the
officer
is
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time,
right
time
to
make
an
arrest,
a
timely
arrest
and
catch
somebody
that
committed
a
crime-
that's
one
thing,
but
to
be
at
the
right
place
at
the
right
time
to
save
someone's
life.
That's
that's
quite
another,
so
yeah
there's
been
many.
E
D
E
D
And
why
I
kind
of
have
an
issue
with
us
needing
police
detail
for
our
own
for
our
own
work
that
we're
doing
here?
I
I
get
it
if
other
people
feel
more
comfortable
with
having
a
police
detail,
but
if,
if
our
own
city
workers
are
cutting
a
tree
or
what
whatever
is
there,
is
there
a
way
of
changing
this
ordinance
so
that
we
don't
necessarily
need
a
police?
The.
E
Officers
and
tom
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
or
the
officers
in
the
back,
I
it's
very
rare
if
ever
that
the
chelsea
officers
are
working
with
dpw
other
than
snow
removal,
but
for
the
most
part
the
but
tom
was
mentioning
city
paying
contractors
outside
contractors
to
do
work
on
the
roadways.
That's
when
the
contractors
request
officers
to
be
there
for
their
safety
and
the
safety
of
others,
but
as
far
as
someone
dpw
workers
cutting
trees
or
doing
patching
some
quick
patches
in
the
road.
A
F
F
D
H
E
E
E
You
know
when
they're
inside
quarters,
but
again
it's
been
probably
at
least
20
years,
maybe
longer
that
we
scaled
it
back
to
no
more
than
16
hours
and
again
there
was
a
time-
and
I
admittedly
was
mentioning
that
I
was
one
of
them
that
was
in
the
mix
that
was
working.
My
shift
and
another
shift
on
top
of
that
to
make
ends
meet
to
use
tamales
words,
because
that
was
the
truth.
E
This
generation,
35
years
of
age
in
in
under,
does
not
work
16
hours
a
week,
even
though
the
opportunity
potentially
could
be
there
from
time
to
time,
especially
in
the
summer
and
again,
it's
not
just
chelsea,
it's
the
same
everywhere
they
might
work
40
hours,
which
is
not
a
bad
thing.
The
work-life
balance
is
not
a
bad
thing,
but
they
might
work
40
hours
and
they
might
work
if,
if
at
all,
another
eight
hours
on
top
of
that.
E
But
if
there's
someone
that's
working
again,
we
have
a
couple
offices
that
do
work
a
lot
and
I
don't
know
the
the
number,
but
it's
not
89
hours
a
week.
You
know
I
mean
it's
because
again
the
the
opportunity
to
work
details
is
there
monday
through
friday,
primarily
which
is
40
hours
and
and
their
their
other
40
hours.
It
might
be
an
80-hour
week
every
now
and
again,
but
it's
it's
something
where
you
know
the
person
has
their
their
weekends
off
and
they
get
their
eight
hours
sleep
and
they're,
in
conformance
with
our
rules.
H
I
just
want
to
share
an
incident
that
happened
a
couple
years
back,
maybe
a
year
and
a
half
I
was
in
bellingham
square.
It
was
a
saturday
morning
there
was
an
officer
supposedly
working
at
bellingham
square
and
all
of
a
sudden
there
was
two
guys
fighting
there
of
a
drug
of
money,
whatever
it
was,
and
the
officer
was
there
in
the
cruiser
looking
down
on
his
phone,
and
I
was
you
know,
a
few
steps
away.
H
I
went
and
knocked
on
his
window
and
I
said
you
see
that
the
fighting
over
there,
the
officer,
didn't
even
see
the
fight,
the
other
guy
knocked
him
down
to
the
other
guy
and
ran
toward
compare,
and
I
told
him
that's
the
guy
who
hit
the
other
guy
and
he
wasn't
even
aware
he
was
an
important
attention.
So.
E
E
A
A
The
same
thought
I'd
love
to
allow
the
individual
who
wrote
this
say
what
she
has
to
say
about
this
subject
matter
and
if
there's
any
questions,
the
final
counselors
would
like
to
follow
up
because
again,
this
is
the.
This
is
the
reason
why
we're
here
so
just
like
to
ask
if
you'd
like
to
have
a
few
comments
and
then
so
forth,
okay,
go
ahead.
J
Okay,
so
when
it
came
to
the
49
hours
that
I
provided
to
you
guys,
I
did
not
make
up
those
numbers.
I
came
to
the
city
hall.
I
requested
records
of
overtime,
which
I
still
have
in
my
house
and
I'd
be
glad
to
forward
that
specific
number
that
I
gave
you
with
the
officer's
name.
I
have
a
list
of
what
they
got
paid
for
their
regular
payroll
for
the
year
and
I
have
a
list
of
details.
J
I
have
a
list
of
the
amount
that
they
made.
I
was
told
by
pm.
Johnson,
when
I
asked
do
we
have
a
way
to
you
know,
show
that
this
person
made
say
a
million
dollars.
Do
we
have
something
to
show
that
this
person
worked
a
detail
and
we
have
record
of
it.
I
was
told,
and
when
it
says
in
that
email,
there's
no
document,
I
was
told
there
is
no
system
that
tracks
the
overtime
I
responded.
J
E
A
J
The
city
hall
does
not
so
when
pm
johnson
stated-
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
this
again
when
you
are
telling
somebody
from
the
city,
I'm
asking
you
a
question,
I'm
asking
you
to
verify
something.
If
you
don't
know
the
answer,
you
don't
respond
with.
We
don't
have
a
system
that
tracks
it.
You
say
you
know
what
let
me
check
with
the
chief
and
I'll
get
back
to
you,
because,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there's
no
reason
for
me
not
to
trust
what
she's
telling
us.
J
A
I
would
have
to
say
that
if
the
city
is
going
to
charge
their
10
percent,
you
can
bet
that
the
city
has
a
way
to
track,
because,
again
the
city
is
charging
each
contractor
10
of
the
whatever
detail.
There
is
so
there's
a
definitely
an
invoice
manner
that
whether
you
are
a
carnival
whether
you
are
a
contractor
or
such
you
get
a
bill
from
the
city.
You
actually
don't
get
it
from
the
city,
the
police
department,
you
get
a
bill
from
the
city
and
they
reimburse
or
it
could
be,
a
fire
detail.
So
what.
A
E
E
J
And
I
think
when,
when
we
talk
about
like
the
crimes
being
you
know
they're
not
as
bad
as
they
used
to
be,
I
beg
to
differ.
I
live
in
chelsea
and
I
can
tell
you
within
the
past
month
between
you
know
the
stabbing
and
killing
near
home
depot
the
innocent
lady
being
shot.
I
mean
if
there
really
was
truly
enough
police
presence,
I
feel
like
it
wouldn't
be
happening,
and
thankfully
I've
been
able
to
work
from
home
and
I
can
tell
you-
I
drive
around
the
city
all
day,
long
and
you're
lucky.
J
I
think,
there's
there's
not
enough
crops
out
there
and
I'm
not
sure-
and
I
don't
want
to
say
it
for
sure.
But
you
know
I've
been
told
that
there's
only
four
like
four
full-time
officers
on
at
a
time,
and
if
that
truly
is
the
truth,
okay,
but
I
mean
there's
not
enough
people
patrolling
you
can
see.
I
can
drive
by
just
I'll
give
an
example.
Central
ave,
three
officers
hanging
out
talking
at
a
detail
over
by
dpw
another
three
officers
hanging
out
doing
a
detail.
J
I
had
didn't
see
not
one
officer
that
day,
not
one
not
sitting
in
the
square,
not
driving
around,
not
one
officer
at
all
that
whole
day,
but
you
do
see
them
over
there.
So
I
just
think
there
does.
There
needs
to
be
more
patrolling,
and
if
there
was
enough
there
wouldn't
be
as
many
you
know,
shootings
fights
there
wouldn't
be
the
stuff
that's
happening
and
going
on
right
now
there
would
be
less
of
it.
A
A
J
Think
I
also
just
want
to
say
in
regards
to
the
cops
at
the
school.
I
don't
think
that's
helpful.
I
dropped
my
child
off
to
school.
Every
day
they
sit
in
their
car
they're,
not
out
engaging
they're,
not
helping
cross
kids
they're,
not
helping
in
any
type
of
way
they're
sitting
there
parked
on
the
crosswalk
on
their
phone
in
their
car
and
they
do
not
get
out.
So
I
think
we
need
to
consider
it.
We
keep
saying
that
the
flagman
is
going
to
cost
the
same,
but
do
we
have
numbers?
J
J
I
I
mean
I
guess
it
would
be
up
to
me.
I
would
say
the
people
and,
if
you
ask
around,
I
would
think
a
lot
would
agree
that
there
needs
to
be
more
patrolling
and
I
think,
in
regards
to
normal
lease.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
my
understanding
was:
you
were
married
to
a
cop
or
a
divorce
and
have
a
kid.
So
I
would
think
too
yeah.
No
okay,
if
that's
not
true,
but
they
were
saying
that
there
there
is
a
possibility.
E
So,
just
I
I
know
I
got
one
minute
and
just
just
just
a
quick
response.
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
common
misconception
that
into
jennifer's
point
that
when,
when
an
individual
rides
around
the
city-
and
they
see
officer
a
officer
b
officer
c
on
a
detail-
and
they
they
see-
maybe
one
or
two
officers
quote
unquote
on
patrol
that.
The
point
is
that
these
officers,
the
five
in
my
example,
would
be
better
served
to
be
all
on
patrol.
E
We
have,
on
average
in
like
on
one
of
the
ships
12
officers
assigned
to
patrol
at
one
time
and
the
officers
on
details.
If
the
details
was
were
to
stop
today,
these
offices
are
on
their
time
off.
So
any
officer
that
you
see
officer
a
officer
b,
officer
c.
It
isn't
that
they're
now
available
for
patrol
they're
always
available
for
patrol
on
their
regular
assigned
shift.
E
If
officers
on
details
and
again,
if
you
count
them
any
one
of
the
counselors
or
members
of
the
public
or
someone
at
home
on
a
given
day
when
you
ride
around,
if
they
are
gone
tomorrow,
they're
gone
tomorrow,
it
isn't
that
the
patrol
offices
or
the
individuals
available
to
patrol
the
streets
are
going
to
increase
those
numbers.
Stay
the
same.
That's
the
point!
Okay,
thank
you.