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A
Just
josh
linker
we're
watching
a
couple
of
showers
around
the
area.
Right
now,
I
do
expect
to
see
some
more
as
we
go
through
the
day,
but
we're
looking
at
clystron
iron
we've
got
a
little
cluster
of
showers
in
polk
county
heading
now
into
eastern
hillsborough
county.
Everything
is
moving
along
from
east
to
west
at
a
fairly
good
clip,
and
that
means,
if
you
get
under
one
of
those
showers,
it's
not
going
to
last
all
that
long.
Temperatures
outside
in
the
mid
80s
pretty
much
everywhere
across
the
area.
A
D
B
Good
afternoon
we
will
call
the
work
session
to
order
we
left
off
after
two
weeks
ago,
when
we
finished
items
one
through
seven,
we're
going
to
start
out
with
item
eight,
which
is
how
do
you
want
to
interact
with
scientology
mark?
We
didn't
know
if
you
were
gonna
make
it.
You
know
it
was
looking
looking
slim.
We
were
going
to
get
that
over
with
in
about
two
minutes,
but
one
of
the
questions
is:
can
we
cooperate
or
do
we
move
forward
alone
or
legally?
Do
we
need
to
be
cautious
about
our
speech?
B
Pam
can
address
that.
But
certainly
this
is
always
one
of
the
elephants
in
the
room
when
campaign
season
comes
around
and
we
talk
about
downtown,
so
I
think
it's
legitimate
that
we
have
a
real
conversation
about
it.
So
who
wants
to
start
off?
Should
pam.
C
So,
in
your
legislative
capacity,
you
guys
have
immunity,
so
you
can
make
whatever
comments
you
would
like
to
make.
However,
what
I
would
like
for
you
to
recall
is
when
you
start
taking
action,
those
comments
that
you
make
may
come
back
to
haunt
you.
For
example,
you
pass
an
ordinance
which
you
say
is
neutral
from
a
religious
standpoint.
Now
this
is
an
actual
scenario.
C
E
E
Well,
can
we
cooperate
or
do
we
move
forward
alone?
E
Well,
the
first
thing
that
scientology
did
was
stab
us
in
the
back
and
is
get
in
the
way
of
the
aquarium
moving
downtown,
which
you
said
in
the
last
meeting
was
the
single
biggest
thing
that
could
have
made
a
difference
downtown,
so
scientology's
goals
are
different
than
ours.
E
I
think
there's
a
way
for
us
to
interact
when
we
need
to
if
there's
a
land
swap,
for
instance,
that
makes
sense,
but
I
see
no
reason
not
to
go
ahead
with
that,
but
my
own
personal
feeling
is
that
you
know
they've
been
here
since
75.
If
they've
wanted
to
make
this
a
prosperous
downtown,
they
haven't
taken
any
actions
to
do
that.
E
E
You
know
I,
when
I'm
talking
about
scientology,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
religious
beliefs
or
the
scientologists
who
are
members
of
the
organization,
I'm
personally
talking
about
the
the
organization
itself,
which
was
created
as
a
mirror
image
of
l
ron,
hubbard's
paranoia
and
vindictiveness,
and
those
policies
that
he
put
into
effect
are
still
in
effect,
and
I
do
think
that
we,
we
have
a
duty
to
let
people
know
of
some
of
their
practices
like
their
drug
rehab
program,
which
continues
to
exploit
people
in
this
area
and
across
the
country.
E
I
don't
know
how
we
can
do
that
as
a
city,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
they
prey
upon
grieving
parents
who
are
suddenly
forced
with
the
option
that
okay,
you
you
give
us
20
some
thousand
dollars
or
your
son's
going
to
die,
and
then
they
arrived
there
to
find
out
that
everything
they
were
told
about.
You
know
trained
professional
staff
and
what
they
were
going
to
encounter
wasn't
actually
the
case
and
they're
they're
out
20
some
thousand
dollars
because
their
their
child
has
been
booted
to
the
street.
E
E
E
D
Member
the
way
it's
written
on
the
agenda,
you
know,
how
do
you
want
to
interact
with
psychology?
Can
we
cooperate
or
do
we
move
forward
alone?
I
think
the
answer
to
both
questions
is
yes.
Can
we
cooperate
absolutely?
Are
we
willing
to
cooperate?
Absolutely
we
have
to.
D
D
They
have
their
own.
They
have
their
own
reasons
for
not
responding
and
they're
the
ones
that
have
to
give
those
reasons.
I
can't
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
speculate,
but
on
projects
that
we
don't
need
their
approval
or
they
just
flat
say
no,
we're
not
interested
at
this
time
and
we
feel
it's
about
a
valid
project
or
something
we
want
to
do.
D
So
I
recognize
that
parishioners
of
scientology
and
the
organization
itself
own
a
lot
of
properties,
but
if
they're
not
going
to
be
transparent
and
cooperative
with
us
and
open
with
us
to
communicate
and
and
tell
us
what
their
what
their
plans
are
in
that
I'm
not
going
to
sit
and
twiddle
my
thumbs
waiting
for
it.
So
I
I
mean
that's
always
been
my
my
approach
with
them
and
I
think
one
of
the
other
problems
with
scientology
is
you
never
know
who
you're
talking?
D
D
D
There's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
in
our
community
about
scientology
and
whether
or
not
they
pay
taxes
which
they
absolutely
do.
Only
a
very
small
portion
of
their
overall
holdings
are
tax
exempt.
However,
you
know
owning
a
property
and
paying
tax
on.
It
is
one
thing,
but
when
it's
an
empty
empty
building
and
there's
nothing
going
on
and
nothing
that
benefits
the
community,
an
empty
building
does
not
benefit
our
community,
even
though,
even
though
it
pays
taxes,
the
empty
building
does
not
benefit
our
community,
so
you
know
if
they're,
really
interested
in
our
community.
B
And
don't
let's
not
be
limited
to
just
these
two
questions?
I
think
we
ought
to
go
beyond
that.
I
mean
you
know
when
I
did
my
survey
during
the
campaign
and
I've
told
you
we
got
about
3
200
responses
back.
This
was
where
people
spent
the
most
time
on
the
surveys.
They
checked
off,
that
they
were
happy
with
police,
happy
with
solid
waste
and
happy
with
parks
and
rec.
B
B
B
B
And
yet
the
2000
referendum,
some
of
it,
was
structural,
but
it
went
down
in
flames
because
people
felt
like
that's
some
of
our
most
valuable
land.
Now.
This
is
something
that
could
have
changed
the
dynamic,
potentially
and
yet
unwilling
to
do
so,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
to
think
about
with
the
harborview
site
and
the
city
hall
site.
When
we
come
up
on
those
you
know
we
have
some
people
that
will
come
to
the
capitol
theater.
B
We
did
a
lot
of
surveying
and
there
are
certain
age
groups
that
are
more
apt
to
come.
The
younger
you
are
the
more
rapture
to
come
to
downtown.
That's
really
how
it
came
out,
so
the
older
acts
tended
to
struggle
a
little
bit
more
because
that
demographic
of
clientele
was
not
as
interested
in
coming
to
downtown.
B
B
F
I
well,
I
have
one
question
because
council
member
hamilton
brought
it
up,
so
I
wanted
some
just
a
general
clarification
or
ideas.
How
often
have
we
reached
out
and
why
and
when
have
we
been
ignored?
I
mean
I
don't
have
a
historical
perspective
of
that.
Does
anybody
have
an
idea
of.
D
A
running
scoreboard
but-
and
I
think
the
city
manager
and
the
city
attorney
probably
have
a
veteran.
I
mean.
G
Pam
can
correct
me,
but
I
I
think
we
had
conversation
prior
to
the
the
the
cma
property
sale
and
then,
when
that
occurred,
things
kind
of
went
went
dark
for
a
while,
and
then
it
started
up
again.
F
So
do
we
do
the
initiating
most
generally
I
mean:
if
we're
do
we
do
the
first
reaching
out,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
frequently
we've
tried
to
engage,
to
get
things
going
and
and
to
find
out
what
their
desires
are
and
goals
are,
you
know
with
downtown
and
and
how
frequently
have
we
done
it
like?
When
was
the
last
time
and
and
how
frequently
are
we
ignored,
I
mean,
are
we
just
keep
knocking
on
the
door
and
and
they're
not
so
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
sense
of
that.
C
I
cannot
say
that
we
have
ever
been
ignored.
We
have
now
bill
you
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
we
have
made
very
few
demands
of
each
other,
particularly
since
the
aquarium
property
issue.
We
haven't
really
asked
each
other
for
anything.
C
We
had
a
land
swap
a
number
of
years
ago,
not
that
many
four
or
five,
and
that
worked
out
the
way
we
ultimately
wanted
it
to
it
was
not
hitchless,
but
the
hitches
were,
I
think,
more
on
our
side
than
on
the
church's
side.
C
C
C
G
B
C
My
understanding
and
I
have
not
independently
researched
that,
but
a
part
of
it
had
to
do
with
their
not-for-profit
status
and
uniforms
and
if
they
were
to
put
their
folks,
their
sea
org
people
in
street
clothes
that
were
not
uniforms,
that
that
would
have
tax
consequences
to
that
individual.
Much
like
what
we
face.
When
we
buy
uniforms
for
staff,
it
can
be
taxable
if
they're
street
clothes,
for
example.
C
F
Well,
that's
that's
good,
some
context,
and
just
for
the
record,
I
don't
I
don't
like
commenting
on
people's
clothing
or
attire,
or
I
know
that
there
are.
There
are
presents
down
there
with
with
uniforms,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
gonna.
You
know
make
that
a
deal
at
all
one
of
the
things
I
don't
like
to
do
you
all
probably
don't
either
is
to
waste
your
time,
and
so,
if
we're
engaging
with
people
with
one
of
the
biggest
property
owners
downtown,
I
don't
want
to
have
to
go
through
the
whole
story.
F
Five
different
times
to
work
our
way
up,
and
so
is
where
council
member
hamilton
said
you
never
know
who
you're
talking
to
or
what
kind
of
a
response
or
follow-through.
I
think
we
should,
you
know
speak
with
mr
mcscabbage
or
the
head
of
the
church
or
whoever
has
some
decision-making
authority
that
that
will
have
follow-through.
F
I
just
I
just
think
that
that's
efficient
a
couple
of
comments
about
mayor
hibbert
about
the
responses
from
your
survey.
You
know
I
I
didn't
do
a
survey,
but
I
did
door
knocking
and
had
very
similar
kinds
of
responses.
Younger
people
seem
to
be
a
lot
more
open
to
that.
Wasn't
their
first
priority.
What
downtown
and
and
the
church
of
scientology.
However,
most
door
knocks
included.
It's
interesting.
F
F
What
are
you
going
to
do
about
scientology
as
in
an
action,
and
so
it's
interesting,
so
they
some
people
want
you
to
do
something,
but
then
there
another
part
of
could
be
that
same
conversation
with
that
person.
Is
you
just
need
to
move
downtown
further
east
or
something
you
need
to
find
some
other
location
for
downtown?
So
you
know
it's,
you
can't
have
both,
but
I
I
don't
you
know.
I
don't
think
I
think
at
the
heart
of
it.
F
People
are
not
ready
to
give
up
on
downtown,
they
don't
want
a
seed
downtown,
and
I
think
that
when
great
things
are
going
on,
downtown
people
come
downtown
or
down
to
the
beachfront.
So
certainly,
I
think
the
relationship
should
be
open.
We
should
continue
to
pursue
it
and
knock
on
the
door
and
hopefully
expect
a
response
and
just
move
forward
in
a
real,
matter-of-fact
way,
and
I
and
and
again,
like
you,
know,
council
member
hamilton,
we're
going
to
move
forward
and
we're
not
going
to
stop
and
wait
right.
I'm
not
waiting
for
anybody.
F
If
you're
not
going
to
get
on
board
here
and
move
forward,
we're
going
without
you,
you
can
jump
on
later,
but
it's
yeah,
that's
kind
of
my
my
feel
about
it.
H
Well,
you
know
I've
been
thinking
about
this
for
probably
two
decades,
at
least
because
I've
been
involved
with
downtown
and
on
one
board
or
another,
and
even
before
I
came
on
council
and
just
being
down
here
with
scientology
near
us,
I've
always
had,
and
I
don't
know
whether
I'm
just
an
eternal
optimist.
H
I
am
an
optimist,
but
I
think
I've
always
had
this
feeling
that
scientology
does
want
to
have
a
vibrant
downtown.
That's
the
end
result
they'd
like
to
have
because
not
really
for
our
benefit,
but
for
their.
H
Benefit
is
if
they
can
get
more
people
worldwide
to
come
here
to
their.
You
know,
to
clearwater
a
lot
of
people
come
in
with
money
and
if
they
can
say
well,
we
have
the
number
one
beach
and
we've
got
a
vibrant
downtown.
It's
going
to
be
able
to
be
a
better
sales
pitch.
You
know,
besides
coming
to
take
courses
at
the
at
their
building,
so
I've
always
thought
that
they
really
do
want
a
vibrant
downtown.
H
I
was
invited
to
the
fort
harrison
when
I
wasn't
on
council,
I
just
they
invited
a
lot
of
stakeholders
of
people
downtown
that
were
involved
with
downtown
and
I
got
invited
when
miscavige
was
there
and
he
put
on
a
show
for
the
stakeholders
before
they
they
were
trying
to
pitch
buying
the
cma
property.
Before
you
guys
made
a
decision
to
sell
it,
you
know
to
buy
it
into
the
city
and
they
had
all
the
you
know
their
john
travolta.
You
know
all
their
big
hollywood
people
there
and
and
that
you
know
I
looked.
H
H
So
the
make
a
long
story
short.
He
went
through
the
the
whole
thing
about
here's,
what
I'm
going
to
do
for
your
downtown
and
he
showed
pictures
flyovers,
and
I
mean
these
were
hollywood
produced
stuff.
So
I
know
he
spent
millions
on
that
to
show
here's
what
the
downtown
looks
like
now
and
here's
what
I'm
gonna
do
and
if
you
let
us,
buy
the
property,
we're
gonna
make
it
look
like
this
and
boom.
It
was
like
a
hollywood
set
man.
H
However,
I
walked
out
of
there
very
disappointed
because
he
wanted
to
do
it
himself
with
the
snap
of
a
finger
and
that
I
knew
would
not.
That
would
not
be
a
good
thing
for
downtown.
He
says:
hey
I'll,
bring
in
any
kind
of
steakhouse
I'll
bring
in
all
anything.
You
want
downtown
if
it
doesn't
happen
organically.
H
H
If
he's
david
miscavige
is
listening,
I've
always
been
open
to
working
with
the
church
for
shared
goals,
getting
a
vibrant
downtown,
but
it
needs
to
happen
organically
and
it
needs
to
happen
as
a
partnership
and
let
it
happen
organically,
there's
a
big
difference
between
government,
private
enterprise,
private
sector
private
sector
can
make
decisions
on
the
fly
and
make
a
snap
of
a
finger,
and
I'm
sure
he's
used
to
doing
that
worldwide
can't
do
it
here.
I
mean
it
needs
to
happen
organically.
H
It
doesn't
do
any
good
to
talk
to
anybody
here
because
they
don't
they
aren't
going
to
relay
the
right
information.
They
can't
make
any
decisions.
It's
got
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
top.
So
I
I'm
making
a
plea
to
the
church
to
open
up
communications
with
their
city.
It's
their
city
as
well
as
our
city
and
they've,
been
here
a
long
time.
It's
not
like
they
moved
in
yesterday,
they've
been
here
almost
50
years,
work
with
the
city.
H
You
want
to
get
something
done,
work
with
the
city
open
your
eyes,
work
with
us,
we'll
get
something
done,
but
to
have
no
talk,
buy
up
all
his
property.
You
know
I
used
to
think
well
he's
buying
it
up.
It's
a
chess
game
to
him
he's
buying
it
up,
so
he
really
wants
to
trade.
Maybe
he'll
trade,
a
bunch
of
properties
that
you
know
he's
bought
up
for
the
cma
property.
I
don't
think
that's
true.
H
I
think
now
that
he
is
buying
it
all
up,
because
if
we
fail
like
we
have
for
30
years
here,
he's
going
to
do
it
he's
just
going
to
do
it,
he
doesn't
need
our
permission,
he's
just
going
to
have
his
people
develop,
it
he'll
bring
in
things
and-
and
I
think
that's
very
sad.
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
it
organically.
We
need
to
do
it
together,
we
can
get
it
done
and,
and
it
would
help
keep
people
from
having
this
mystique
of
this
church
of
scientology.
H
If
they
knew
that
he
was
working
with
the
city,
they
do
it
in
other
cities.
I
mean
you
know
religious
people.
Do
it
out.
I
can't
think
of
the
name
of
the
city
now
that
the
mormons
are
in,
but.
H
There's
nothing
we
can
do
to
make
things
illegal.
I
mean
we're
a
governmental
body
here
we
can't
outlaw
scientology,
that's
illegal.
We
can't
we
can
only
do
things
within
the
law.
So
first
things.
First,
I
think
we
need
to
open
it
up,
get
a
good
dot.
You
know
dialogue
going
and
hopefully
we
can
get
somewhere
with
it.
So.
H
Absolutely
this
is
my
town
and
I'm
not
giving
it
to
you,
I'm
not
wrapping
it
up
like
I've
had
some
people
say
just
give,
give
it
to
him
and
move
on.
No.
This
is
where
I
grew
up.
This
is
where
my
grandkids,
my
kids
and
grandkids,
are
going
to
live,
and
I'm
dedicated
to
downtown,
and
I
want
it
to
be
for
everybody
in
our
community.
I
D
D
If,
if
they
told
me,
they've
got
a
stack,
this
tall
of
you
know
for
all
these
different
properties
in
permitting
because
they
want
to
do
something
with
these
properties
I'll
I'll
sing,
hallelujah
but
they're,
not
there
they're
not
doing
it.
So
again,
I
want
to
believe
they
want
a
vibrant
downtown.
I
want
a
vibrant
downtown
without
question
and
I
think
all
of
us
up
here
want
a
vibrant,
downtown
without
question,
but
actions
speak
louder
than
words
when
you
own
a
piece
of
property,
great,
congratulations!
D
D
I'm
trying
to
remember
now:
okay,
you
have
certain
things
that
you're
allowed
to
do
with
that
property,
but
you
also
have
responsibility
when
you
own
property
and
when
you
own
downtown
property
in
any
city
in
the
united
states,
you
can't,
when
you
own
property
in
downtown
you're,
trying
to
do
something
with
commercial
property.
You
don't
buy
commercial
property
unless
you
know
what
you're
going
to
do
with
it
and
they're
just
you
know:
they're
buying
up
property
with
no
plan
at
least
none,
that's
being
again,
they're,
not
communicating
with
us.
D
E
E
We
saw
that
most
recently
when
he
started
to
get
some
personal,
bad
press
at
the
start
of
kovic
19.,
when
we
saw
all
the
scientologists
york
members
packed
into
the
buses
with
no
distancing
no
masks,
he
went
on
to
say
it's
a
global,
a
global
bull
bait,
essentially
a
hoax
at
one
of
the
scientology
events
and
the
press
came
down
so
hard
on
him
that
he
snapped
his
fingers
and
said:
okay,
we're
gonna,
be
the
saviors
here
and
we're
going
to
print
out.
E
E
He
started
to
put
uniform
scientologists
out
there
with
their
hazmat
suits
and
offered
to
go
in
and
sanitize
police
stations
and
places
like
that,
so
they
can
have
pictures
taken
to
put
it
in
the
press
and
eventually,
at
the
end
of
it
all
the
sea,
org
members
got
together
and
posed
for
a
lovely
picture
outside
saying
mission
accomplished.
E
E
They
have
to
be
shamed
into
doing
something,
and
you
also
mentioned
you
know
at
that
presentation
at
the
fort
harrison
it
was
like
a
big
hollywood
glitzy
presentation
well
like
in
hollywood.
If
you've
ever
taken
the
universal
studio
tour,
you
drive
around
the
back
lot.
You'll
see
the
fronts
of
these
buildings,
whether
it's
the
munsters
home
or
or
the
cycle
house.
E
Usually
those
are
facades
with
a
pretty
front
and
then
there's
nothing
behind
them
or
it's
an
empty
building
like
with
all
the
scientology
buildings
that
they've
been
purchasing
around
the
world.
They
they
buy
a
historic
building
because
they
have
to
do
something
with
the
billions
they
have
in
their
account.
They
can't
just
let
it
sit
there,
so
they
invest
in
properties
to
tell
the
scientologists
at
these
annual
events
every
year.
E
E
They
need
to,
I,
I
believe,
we're
seeing
a
phase
where
they're
trying
to
coalesce
here
in
the
city,
I've
heard
from
people
who
said.
Oh,
my
my
friend
is
dating
a
scientologist
and
and
they've
been
told
that
you
know
everybody
should
move
here
now
when
the
the
prices
are
low,
I
think
to
gain
a
little
more
control
in
the
city.
E
Voting
lies,
so
something
like
this
having
a
suppressive
person
who
understands
how
scientology
operates
does
not
get
voted
on
on
to
the
onto
the
council.
Again,
the.
E
The
other
thing
is
yeah
miscavige
can
snap
his
finger
and
get
something
done,
but
it
took
what
how
many
years
13
or
so,
to
to
open
the
flag
building
to
finish
that
project
and
when
they
dawdled
on
it
and
left
it
unfinished
and
opened
the
city,
fined
them
and
find
them,
and
then
they,
of
course,
just
fought
that
fine
and
and
paid
far
less
than
they
should
have.
E
And
you
know
how
long
is
it
going
to
take
them
to
open
up
the
l
ron,
hubbard
music
hall,
just
another
gigantic,
pretty
scientology
project
here
that
few
of,
if
not
scientologists,
will
go
to
so
if
they
wanted
to.
If
he
really
wanted
a
vibrant
downtown,
he
could
do
that.
He
could
still
say:
hey
morton's.
You
want
to
open
up
a
state
steakhouse
here,
he's
not
doing
that
he's
not.
E
E
You
can't
say
a
negative
word
about
scientology
or
oh
they'll
they'll
threaten
to
sue
you,
but
they
literally
are
trying
to
wipe
out
the
entire
field
of
psychiatry,
because
when
dianetics,
the
modern
science
of
mental
health
was
published
in
1950
a
few
sci,
a
few
psychologists
and
psychiatrists,
read
it
and
said:
well,
this
is
crap,
and
so
they
became
the
enemy,
and
this
organization
needs
an
enemy.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
be
an
enemy.
E
I
think
we
need
just
need
to
be
honest
and
show
the
city
that
we're
not
we're
not
under
their
control,
and
I
think
that
would
give
confidence
for
people
to
come
downtown.
E
E
I
think
once
we
have
the
park
up
and
running
I'd
love
to
see
a
statue
to
former
mayor
gabe
casares
there
with
a
plaque
saying
sparkling,
clear
water
is
not
for
sale
and
I
would
like
to
see
an
exhibit
at
the
historical
society
about
scientology's
entrance
into
the
city
and
and
the
process
that
they
took
to
destroy,
lives
and
and
take
over
at
that
point,
so
you
know,
do
I
trust
them?
E
I
trust
miscavige
to
do
what
miscavige
wants
to
do,
which
is
whatever
is
in
miscarriages
interest,
not
in
the
city's
interest.
If
he
wants
to
develop
these
buildings,
he
owns
them.
Go
ahead
or
his
scientologist
followers
do,
but
he
owns
at
least
a
couple
blocks,
and
you
know
if
you
want
to
do
something
well,
he
could
open
up
that
movie
theater,
even
though
this
is
not
a
great
time
for
movies,
but
he
could
do
something.
E
I
doubt
we'll
see
that.
Nor
will
we
see
him
in
public
pitching
his
proposal,
as
he
did
in
secret
to
individual
board
members
back
in
2017,
because
he's
too
afraid
to
show
up
in
public
because
he
know
he's
he
risks
being
handed
a
subpoena
for
one
of
these
countless
lawsuits
that
name
him
as
the
ultimate
leader
of
the
abuses
that
that
happen
within
scientology
again,
this
is
not
about
religious
beliefs.
E
It's
about
the
organization's
actions
and
again,
if
there's
some
deal,
we
can
make
where
it
makes
sense
to
swap
some
property.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
If
miss
cabbage
wants
to
sit
down
with
me,
I'm
ready
I'll
be
happy
to
talk
with
you,
but
it
it's
kind
of
foolhardy
to
think
that
we
can
become
partners.
B
Well,
I
think
words
are
powerful.
We
need
to
be
careful
with
the
words
we
use,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
downtown
that
have
invested
a
lot
of
money
and
are
trying
to
make
a
go
of
it
and
you
know
so.
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
careful
with
that.
I
do
not
agree
that
downtown
has
completely
failed.
B
Clearly
that
isn't
the
case
anymore,
but
they
always
called
it
the
20-year
overnight
miracle-
and
you
know,
between
the
cleveland
streetscape
improvements,
the
marina,
the
capital
theater,
the
apex,
the
nolan.
B
B
B
C
I
kind
of
have
a
question
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
clarification
on
what
your
thoughts
are
about,
what
you
mean
by
an
organic
process,
do
you?
What
would
that
look
like?
Do
you
want
public
participation?
Do
you
want?
Do
we
all
sit
down
with
planners?
What
is
an
organic
process
going
to
look
like
if
we
go
and
say
we
want
this
to
be
organic?
H
H
Yeah,
what
I
think
about
organic
is
what's
happening
downtown
now
you
got
property
owners
and
you've
got
businesses
that
move
in
they're,
not
moving
in,
because
somebody
says
move
in
the
city
does
offer
some
incentives,
which
is
fine,
because
it
is
a
depressed
time
in
downtown.
It's
been
like
that
for
a
while,
but
the
people
who
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is
have
come
down.
I
think
I
think
it's
turning.
I
really
do
I
mean
to
add
to
what
the
mayor
is
saying.
H
With
this
district,
we
were
there
friday
night
and
the
entire
400
block
was
packed.
I
mean
lots
of
tables
on
the
street.
They
had
music
on
the
500
block,
lots
of
tables
on
the
street
people
playing
games,
music
playing
so
we're
starting
to
get
our
we're
starting
to
find
a
personality
down
there.
That
everybody
loves.
That's
what
I
mean
by
organic.
H
What
I
don't
mean
is
somebody
that
buys
the
downtown
and
then
builds
it
like
in
the
villages.
You
know
hey.
This
would
be
a
good
spot
for
downtown
and
they
just
build
one.
You
know
and
contrived
yeah
and
contrived
downtown
and
having
what
miscavige
said
to
me.
That
was
so
disappointing
is
that
he
was
going
to
do
that.
Basically,
he
wanted
to
come
in
and
using
church
money
remodel
everything
make
it
into
beautiful.
B
B
It
occurs
in
different
ways
in
different
towns
based
upon
the
personality
of
that
downtown
and
the
state
that
it's
in
and
everything
else
I
mean
if
you
go
to
new
orleans
or
portland
or
savannah,
which
I
was
in
this
weekend,
I
mean
savannah
was
goodness
gracious,
it
was
packed,
you
know,
and
a
little
frightening
actually
at
times,
but
people
were
being
very
good
about
mass
and
the
restaurants
were
being
good
about
distancing
and
everything
else,
but
I
think
it
can
occur.
B
There's
a
basically
a
step
for
wives,
town
that
was,
you
know,
built
and
it's
it's
contrived.
It's
doesn't
feel
authentic.
Mr
dell
could
probably
delve
into
that
or
miss
clayton
and
give
us
you
know,
which
I
think
we've
always
strived
for.
Does
that
answer
your
question
mistaken
or
do
you
need
more
clarify.
C
I'd
like
a
little
more
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
little
more
push.
So
if
someone,
if
the
church,
did
a
survey
and
said
we
believe
there
is
a
market
for
x,
would
you
consider
that
not
to
be
organic
because
in
many
years
passed
they
did
that
they
did
a
survey
and
said
we
think
there's
a
market,
for
I
think
it
was
a
sushi
place
and
we
were
like
no
thank
you.
C
What
steps
would
they
take
to
work
with
us
in
an
organic
way
and
then
I'll
stop,
because
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
I
tell
somebody
what
I
want
them
to
do
when
I
say
this
has
to
be
organic?
What
am
I
asking
them
to
do
to
market
to.
B
A
missing
piece:
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
I
mean
any
intelligent
business
person
is
going
to
try
to
find
out
what
demand
there
is
for
whatever
their
service
they're
going
to
provide.
If
there
isn't
enough
demand,
they're
not
going
to
do
it.
For
instance,
checkers
is
famous
and
the
founder
of
checkers
lives
here
in
town.
B
B
B
B
B
B
J
I'm
not
sure
that
their
wisdom,
but
I
was
reminded
denise
anderson
director
of
economic
development
housing
that
we
have
done
two
retail
recruitment
strategies
in
the
last
several
years,
so
one
was
driven
by
our
cra.
This
is
prior
to
my
arrival
in
2012,
so
probably
around
the
2010
time
frame.
There
was
do
we
do
we
recruit
retail,
first
and
then
office
will
come,
etc
and
then,
more
recently,
in
partnership
with
the
church
of
scientology
and
clearwater
downtown
partnership,
there
was
a
retail
recruitment
strategy.
E
Council
member,
I
just
wanted
to
throw
in
one
other
thing
that
that
I
just
remembered
in
the
podcast
I
did
recently
with
leah
remini.
She
was
talking
about
his
vice
mayor,
had
mentioned
that
you
know.
Scientology
wants
a
vibrant
downtown
for
their
parishioners.
E
E
You
know
you
spend
your
money
here
and
I
think
that's
the
general
feeling.
G
Well,
I
well,
I
would
say,
while
that
might
have
been
something
that
was
done
years
ago,
I
think
you
should
go
to
the
restaurants
downtown
now
and
especially
when
clear
sky
opened.
That
was
one
of
the
things
highlighted
to
me
that
they
had
significant
patronage.
You
know
from
residents
of
water's
edge
and
other
members
of
the
church
who
patronize
claire's
guy.
So
I
I
don't
know
whether
that
that
historical
thing
really
implies
right
now
it
seems
like
the
downtown's
getting
a
lot
of
attention.
G
G
We
have
not
had
any
difficulty
working
with
the
church
in
getting
them
to
fulfill
their
private,
their
per
private
property
ownership
roles,
as
it
relates
to
municipal
issues
and
and
we've
gotten
same
kind
of
cooperation.
We
would
expect
from
them
as
we
would
expect
them
from
others.
I
I
do
want
to
correct
for
the
record
that
the
the
fine
that
the
city
charged
them
they
ended
up
paying
400
and
at
least
435
thousand
dollars
in
fines.
That's
fine
went
through
our
normal
process.
G
The
municipal
co-enforcement
board
listened
to
the
argument
the
church
made
as
to
why
it
took
12
years
to
complete
and
and
they
evaluated
it
decided
there
was
no
basis
to
reduce
it
and
and
that's
what
they
paid
and
they
paid
it
without
complaint.
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
record
reflected
that
I
I
understood,
what's
correct,
yeah
and,
and
so
lastly,
the
significance
of
this
conversation
for
me
and
for
our
staff
is
that
one
of
the
things
that
I've
learned
over
time
is
that
our
staff
wants
to
know
that
it's
doing
the
right
thing
wants
to
know
that
it's
that
they
are
not
having
interactions
with
the
church
institution
that
is
not
appropriate.
G
So
hearing
your
sentiments
on
moving
forward
and
and
the
various
sundry
comments
that
you've
made,
I
think,
makes
it
clear
to
us
that
that
the
path
we've
been
on
and
municipal
delivery
and
our
relationships
and
the
conversations
the
few
that
I've
had
and
pam,
I
think,
have
been
consistent
with
with
your
at
least
the
majority.
I
B
All
right:
well,
let's
move
on
to
thoughts
on
a
strategic
plan.
When
do
we
want
to
update
the
plan?
Citizen's
input
is
critical.
How
do
we
engage
during
covet
19,
or
do
we
wait?
What
should
be
priorities
in
the
street
strategic
plan,
job
creation,
workforce
housing,
transportation,
environmental
issues,
planning,
zoning,
encouraging
re,
develop
reinvestment
and
housing
stock
equity
issues?
B
How
do
we
serve
the
entire
city
that
looks
like?
I
don't
know
where
the
10
is.
Oh
there
it
is.
How
do
we
serve
the
entire
city
with
projects
and
money?
Do
we
spend
money
where
it
is
generated,
or
do
we
subsidize
less
affluent
areas?
What,
from
our
previous
plans,
do
you
like
or
dislike?
B
F
F
One
striking
difference
between
our
strategic
plan
and
the
counties
is
the
county
has
an
equal
emphasis
on
practicing
superior
environmental
stewardship
that
that
that
our
strategic
plan
doesn't
you
know,
doesn't
mention
the
environment
anywhere
on
the
page
actually,
and-
and
I
got
a
question
because
I
want
to
you-
know
print
this
out
in
color
again
and
I'm
wondering
if
it's
even
on
our
city
website-
I
I
could
not
find
it,
it
wasn't
intuitive
the
the
one
page
kind
of
a
chart
which
says
city
of
clearwater,
vision
and
then
mission.
F
So
obviously-
and
it's
not
a
surprise
to
you
all-
that
I
would
like
the
environment
to
be
on
level
ground
with
economic
development
and
safety
and
public
health
and
safety.
So
you
know
that's
one
thing
I
don't
think
we
should
wait
until
covet
is
over
or
we
have
a
vaccine.
It's
just
that's
just
too
much
unknown,
and
this
is
too
important.
F
F
But
you
know
I
have
confidence,
we
can
figure
something
out,
but
I
you
know,
we've
got
business
and
development
in
multiple
areas
and
the
environment
and
quality
of
life
needs
a
little
larger
emphasis
and-
and
I
just
I
don't
want
to
you
know-
I
don't
think
we
should
wait.
F
You
know,
goals
that
that
have
numbers
attached
to
the
metrics.
F
F
F
B
Well,
I
do
know
who
did
the
strategic
planning
with
the
county,
because
it's
the
same
person
that
we
hired
for
with
hall's
strategic
plan
and
one
of
his
goals
is
to
always
have
a
one
pager.
I
B
The
end
of
the
process
now
there's
a
lot
of
other
supporting
documents
that
can
be
referenced
in
that
one-page
strategic
plan.
But
it's
something
that
and
was
important
to
me
was
to
have
a
document
that
you
could
have
with
you
at
all
times
that
you
could
reference
back
to,
whereas
when
it
the
whole
document
is
volumous,
it
tends
to
get
lost,
whereas
this
really
set
priorities.
B
But
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
talk
about
is
you
know
we
can
start
to
create
the
bones
for
the
strategic
plan
and
go
out
then
to
the
citizens
and
see
what
they
agree
with,
or
you
start
with
going
out
to
the
citizens
and
seeing
what
their
greatest
priorities
are.
And
then
you
come
back
and
you
know
synthesize
their
ideas
into
the
strategic
plan.
It's
two
different
ways
of
going
about
it
back
when
we
did
it
in
04
we
had
public
meetings
at
every
single
library
and
rec
center.
B
F
F
B
You
know
and
it's
very
difficult
to
do
things
the
way
we
normally
do
them
with
covet
19,
it's
just
it's
impossible
to
do
it
the
way
we
normally
do
things,
because
if
we
were
doing
it
today,
we'd
pack,
this
room
we'd,
do
an
initial
presentation
and
then
we'd
have
vignettes
and
people
would
go
around
and
kind
of
give
their
input
directly
with
what
they
think
are
their
priorities.
B
B
H
Versa,
what,
if
I
mean
one
thing
that
kovas
that
covet
has
taught
us,
is
that
online
meetings.
H
Work,
I
think
the
whole
country
is
really
looking
at
things
we
probably
wouldn't
have
looked
at
before
and
said.
You
know
the
normal
business
meeting
before
was
a
flight
somewhere
gathering
in
a
central
location,
hotels.
Now
you
can
do
it
with
zoom.
I
mean,
and
I've
been
I've
had
meetings
where
I
just
was
on
one
last
week,
where
I'm
not
even
sure
how
many
people
were
on
it.
But
a
lot
of
people
were
on
that.
H
We
had
some
people
that
spoke
and
maybe
there's
a
way
that
we
could
do
it
and
that
and
break
it
up
in
parts
of
the
city.
Maybe
have
a
north
clearwater
zoom
meeting
that
we
could
do.
Typically.
What
we
used
to
do
here
is
charrettes
and
we'd
use
like
a
room
like
this
and
you'd
have
somebody
that
would
run
it
and
then
we'd
get
everybody
would
sit
at
tables
and
we'd
get
ideas,
and
then
people
would
sit
down
and
kind
of
work.
H
H
Maybe
you
know
the
morningside
area
and
then
one
on
the
beach
communities
we
could
advertise
that
this
date
would
be
one
this
day
would
be
another
one
and
try
to
do
it
that
way
where
we
can
get
in
people
that
would
have
families
and
kids
feel
like
they
could
get
on
their
computer
easier
than
coming
somewhere
and
participate.
F
D
We're
clearly
in
in
we're
sailing
different,
a
different
sea
than
we're
used
to
with
all
this,
and-
and
I
I
think
you
know
trying
to
create
something-
love
to
throw
stuff
on
joelle's
plate
to
create
and
she's
wearing
that
mask.
So
I
can't
see
exactly
the
face
she's
giving
me
the
scowl.
D
But
you
know,
I
think
we
should
try
to
create
something
you
know
zoom
on
the
zoom
profile,
possibly
where
we
could
do.
I
like
the
idea.
You
know
you
do
separate,
because
different
areas
have
different
priorities
and
different
ideas,
and-
and
you
know
we
can
gather
that
information,
because
this
this
isn't
something
there's
not
to
my
understanding
and
my
belief.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
deadline
as
to
when
we
have
to
have
this
done.
I
D
We
gather
a
certain
amount
of
information
and
as
we're
doing
that,
hopefully
this
pandemic
starts
to
subside
and
we
get
on
top
of
it
and
we
get
come
up
with
a
vaccine.
And
but
let's
face
it
even
when
we
get
to
the
other
side
of
this
and
there's
a
vaccine,
there's
still
going
to
be
some
people
that
just
are
still
not
going
to
be
comfortable
going
out.
D
D
You
know
then
take
it
out
and
and
have
you
know
three
or
four
meetings
around
the
city
after
we've
gathered
the
other
information
and
been
able
to
digest
it
down
and
meld
it
together
and
take
it
out
to
the
public,
for
you
know,
round
two
and
then
but
then
eventually
at
some
point,
it
comes
down
to
the
five
people
sitting
here.
They're
gonna
have
to
say
this
is
this
is
the
final
product,
but
but
I
like
the
idea
of
starting
starting
it
that
way.
E
Yeah,
I
I
definitely
agree
with
the
the
zoom
method.
I've
been
in
plenty
of
zoom
calls
that
have
people
from
all
over
the
the
country
participating.
E
E
E
I
would
like
to
point
out
one
other
thing:
councilmember
beckman.
I
appreciate
the
links
you
sent.
I
did
look
over
both
of
those
strategic
plans.
The
county
didn't
set
goals
specifically,
but
also
on
their
their
website,
with
that
they
did
impress
me
by
the
number
of
stats
they.
They
proceeded
to
point
out
just
everything
that
they've
done,
including
okay,
three
days
to
fill
a
pothole.
E
B
Well,
I
mean
there
can
be
priorities
that
are
set,
which
really
is
what
you
want
out
of
a
strategic
plan.
You
want
priorities,
you
want
some
guiding
principles
that
you
know
if
you're
deviating
significantly
from
the
priorities
and
guiding
principles,
you
know
you're
getting
out
of
bounds
or
there's
got
to
be
a
real
reason
that
you're
departing
from
what
you've
decided
that
their
council
and
the
citizens
of
clearwater
believe
are
the
priorities
there
may
be
occasions
when
you
want
to
do
that,
but
they
shouldn't
be
common.
G
Well,
since
I
believe
that
my
role
is
to
support
the
council,
I
would
come
in
with
the
idea
that
the
council
has
at
least
up
to
that
point,
laid
out
a
strategic
plan
and
its
priorities.
My
job
is
to
implement.
G
I
can
kind
of
get
up
to
speed
with
where
everything
is
where
the
council
thinks
it
wants
to
go
and
then
make
adjustments,
but
I
mean
that's
how
I
would
how.
G
Don't
okay,
I
don't
depends
on
who
you
recruit
in
as
your
manager,
because
you
may,
you
may
bring
some
managers
in
who
who
may
be
quite
different
than
me
and
have
a
different
approach.
B
So
when
we
ask
the
question
of
when
we
want
to
update
the
plan,
it
sounds
like
sooner
than
later,
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
wait
that
we
can
get
through
the
process
of
getting
citizen
engagement
and
that
we
want
to
drive
some
of
the
overarching
priorities,
but
not
necessarily
prioritize
them.
That
would
be
something
that
would
be
driven
by
citizens.
B
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
to
come
out
of
this
this
one
of
the
reasons
I
don't
believe
in
districts
is
having
served
on
this
council
on
and
off
now
for
almost
11
years
is.
I
think
that
over
the
many
different
councils
that
have
been
here,
we've
always
done
a
very
good
job
of
seeing
where
the
need
is
within
the
community
and
trying
to
fill
it.
B
And
you
know
one
time
we
had
the
beach
island
estates
and
sand
key
that
we're
talking
about
seceding
yeah
because
they
felt
like
they
were
funding
a
lot
of
things
on
the
mainland,
and
then
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
say
from
the
mainland.
Our
focus
is
always
the
beach
and
you
know
it's.
It's
this
balancing
act
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
never
liked
districts
is.
I
didn't
want
people
to
say:
okay,
I'll
support,
your
thing.
B
B
Now
chicago
is
a
good
example
of
a
bad
example.
So
I
don't
think
I
want
to
follow
any
of
their
any
of
their
direction,
but
oftentimes
you
learn
more
from
a
bad
example
than
a
good
example,
but.
F
Anyway,
well,
can
I
so
I
don't
you
know,
I
know
we
made
suggestions
about
what
should
be
on
our
philosophical
discussion
list,
but
you
know
this
one
d
at
the
top
of
my
my
list,
so
I
think
we're
on
attendee
or
whatever
yeah,
how
we
serve
the
entire
city
with
projects
and
money.
Do
we
spend
money
where
it
is
generated,
or
do
we
subsidize
less
affluent
areas?
I
mean
there's
no
way.
I
would
ever
think
that
money
stays
in
the
area
that
it's
generated
only,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
with
that.
F
The
money
that's
generated
in
our
tax
base
is
for
the
entire
city
and
for
the
quality
of
life
for
all
of
our
residents
and
you're
right.
I
knocked
on
doors
at
island
estates,
not
too
many
at
sand
key,
because
there
aren't
very
many,
you
know
accessible
doors
but
yeah
a
number
of
people
in
the
most
expensive
homes
in
clearwater
said
you
know,
I
I
pay
big
taxes.
F
Why
don't
I
have
this
or
that
and
they've
got
everything
on
island
estates,
and
so
you
know,
and
literally
people
some
people,
and
it's
just
you
know
a
handful
or
whatever,
but
would
point
you
know
why.
Why
is
my
money
going
all
over
there?
Well,
you
know
that's
where
people
live,
that's
where
the
people
who
do
your
nails
or
mow
your
yard
or
cook
your
food
or
whatever
people
live
there
and
we
take
care
of
each
other,
and
so
you
know
I
I
that
one
just
struck
me
as
like
wow.
F
I
D
I
think
not
to
interrupt,
but
I
think
it's
there's
also
a
balance
there.
D
You
know,
let's
face
it:
the
beach
generates
a
ton
of
money
for
the
entire
city,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
beach
remains
in
the
best
condition
it
can
possibly
be
so
that
it
continues
to
generate
that
revenue
that
we
can
use
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
so
yeah
we
do
spend
some
money
out
on
the
beach,
but
it
pays
a
great
dividend
back
to
us
that
gives
us
the
money
to
invest
in
a
in
some
things
that
don't
really
give
us
a
return,
but
do
maintain
the
quality
of
life
that
people
in
clearwater
generally
have
the
opportunity
to
enjoy.
D
You
know
I
need
the
pothole
in
front
of
my
house
fixed,
and
I
need
my
sidewalk
and
in
my
neighborhood
fixed,
and
we
have
limited
resources
to
do
all
those
we
can't
do
it
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
do
all
those,
but
you
know
it
frustrates
me
on
some
of
those
things,
because
you
know
you
want.
D
You
want
your
even
in
my
own
neighborhood
and
I'm
going
to
get
in
trouble
when
I
go
home
tonight
for
this,
but
you
know
people
say
you
know
we
need
to
fix
the
sidewalks
in
my
neighborhood,
it's
like.
Why
am
I
going
to
worry
about
fixing
the
sidewalks
in
my
neighborhood
when
everybody
that
walks
my
neighborhood
walks
in
the
street
and
they'll
walk
on
the
net?
They
don't
walk
on
the
sidewalk,
they
walk
on
the
street.
So
it's
like.
Why
do
I
need
to
fix
it?
Why
do
I
need
to
fix
a
sidewalk?
D
So
it's
you
know,
but
you're
never
going
to
satisfy
everybody,
but
I
think
we
do
a
very
good
job
of
staying
focused
on
the
things
that
absolutely
need
attention,
and
I
think
you
don't.
I
don't
think
you
change
change.
What
you're
doing,
I
think
you
continue
to
you
know,
stay
the
course
all
right.
H
Mayor
yeah
and
I
have
to
agree
with
councilman
beckman
on
this.
You
know
we
are
a
city.
This
is
our
city
and
you
know
we
have
areas
that
that
make
more
money
than
other
areas,
but
everything
should
be
spent
to
make
the
city.
We
should
not
have
any
depressed
areas
that
need
constant
work
that
we
never
give
money
to.
H
So
my
philosophy
is
the
same
and
I
agree
with
councilman
hamilton
too.
You
know
some
of
these
things.
You've
got
to
keep
up
in
order
to
keep
the
money
coming
in,
but
you
know
I.
I
think
that
money
should
be
spent
that
goes
into
these
clearwaters
coffer
on
clear
water
and
wherever
it's
needed,
that's
where
we
need
to
be
spending
it.
I
E
I
hope
it's
not
a
surprise
to
anyone
that
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
council
member
beckman
and
with
the
vice
mayor
that
we
are
one
city
and
we
should
be
lifting
up
everyone
and
making
sure
that
you
know,
if
we're
worse,
giving
developers
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
give
their
building
curb
appeal,
where
there
are
whole
neighborhoods
that
need
some
curb
appeal
help,
and
we
can't
just
say:
oh,
that
money
was
made
at
the
beach
so
you're
out
of
luck.
B
Well,
just
for
the
record,
we've
always
done
that.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
this
isn't
just
for
us
to
hear
it's
also
for
people
that
watch
and
listen
that
they
understand
that
there
are
different
pockets
of
money
and
buckets
and
it
does
get
spread
around
and
what
I
get
concerned
about
is
I
mean
I
come
from
a
family
of
six,
so
there
was
always
sometimes
well.
She
got
more
than
I
did
and
he
got
more
than
I
did.
B
B
How
far
is
too
far
to
go
for
a
recreation
center,
a
library
I
mean
island
estates
does
not
have
a
library
and
it
doesn't
have
a
rec
center,
so
it
doesn't
have
everything
the
beach
has
most
everything,
but
they
don't
have
a
rec
center
like
morningside
or
countryside.
Has
why
the
land's
so
stinking
expensive.
Even
if
we
wanted
to
build
one,
we
couldn't
you
know,
and
so
they
have
to
drive
into
town
if
they
want
a
more
significant
rec
center.
They've
got
one
of
the
great
rec
centers
of
all.
B
It's
called
the
beach,
but
it's
different.
You
know
there's
nowhere
else
that
can
have
a
sailing
center
except
that
on
the
water.
So
we
we
kind
of
pick
and
choose
where
we're
going
to
do
different
things
that
benefits
the
whole
city.
B
And
then
there
are
some
neighborhoods,
my
neighborhood
doesn't
have
a
park,
it
doesn't
have
a
rec
center
and
that's
okay
and
we
pay
a
fair
amount
of
taxes.
We
just
have
to
drive
a
few
miles
to
get
to
some
of
those
things.
All
right.
10,
I
think,
is
really
important
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
answer
these
questions
today
by
the
way,
but
I
think
it
certainly
has
been.
B
B
B
B
B
B
You
know
the
fact
that
we
had
14
acres
per
thousand
people
and
now
there's
been
arguments
about
what
what
does
parks
and
rec
look
like?
Do
we
count
soccer
fields?
Then
I've
also
heard
people
say
cooper's
point
doesn't
matter
because
it's
not
accessible,
but
it
is
green
space
that
or
or
wildlife
preservation.
B
So
I
think
we
need
to
define
these
things
better
than
we
have
so
that
when
we
say
we
have
enough
of
something
we
have
enough
or
maybe
we
don't
have
enough
of
something
and
that's
one
of
the
goals
we
want
to
work
towards.
So
I'd
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
that
subject:
councilmember
hamilton.
D
I
think
you
know
some
of
these,
such
as
police
and
fire,
I'm
not
qualified
to
say
what
the
proper
level
is,
but
the
all
right
and
chief
that
you
don't
have
to
you
don't
have
to
come
up.
But
if
I'm,
if
I
remem
remember
correctly,
when
you
took
over,
I
think
we
had
270
officers
or
something
and
we're
or
we're
down
about
30
officers
from
when
you
took
over
come.
K
Than
I
do
good
afternoon,
dan
slaughter
chief
of
police-
so
I
think
when
councilmember
hamilton's
going
to
when
I
took
over,
we
were
probably
around
228
at
one
point
in
the
heyday,
when
grants
were
very
very
prevalent,
the
city
was
probably
near
270
268,
somewhere
around
there
we're
currently
at
245..
K
K
You
want
your
zone
officers
to
have
some
time
to
basically
police
to
respond
to
what
the
community
needs
are
to
what
the
problems
are
and
to
do
preventative
measures
and
not
just
be
completely
reactionary.
So
we
want
them
to
have
this
component
of
proactive
work,
and
so
so
that's
that's
probably,
I
think,
a
better
focal
point.
We
haven't
done
a
deep
dive
study
on
that
quite
honestly,
and
it
would
probably
require
a
consultant
to
really
get
that
deep
to
go
that
far.
K
But
you
know
dc
gandy's
here
as
well.
He
runs
our
operations
for
the
department
side.
He
can
certainly
speak
to
what
his
pulse
is
on
on
his
feeling
as
well,
but
I
think
we're
pretty
unified
in
believing
that
we
do
have
we.
We
have
kind
of
shrunk
into
that
discretionary
time,
but
the
caveat
to
that
is
a
lot
of
it's
being
spent
on
quality
of
life
issues
that
I
think
are
probably
appropriate
and
a
very
big
concern
from
our
citizens,
and
I
believe
the
council
as
well.
D
And
that's
a
great
example
of
he
knows
a
lot
more
about
it
than
I
am,
and
so
you
know
that
being
said,
you
know
in
libraries.
I
think
we've
all
heard
it
said
before
that
our
county
has
one
of
the
best
library
systems
anywhere.
We've
got
a
great
library
system.
We
have
well
just
since
you
and
I
have
been
on
here,
we've
built
what
four
new
libraries
I
mean:
it's
it's
yeah,
so
we're
you
know.
I
think
our
level
of
service
here
is
is
great.
You
know,
as
you
say,
parks
trails.
D
H
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
would
say
here
is
that
everything
has
a
cost
and,
and
the
people
have
to
know
that
you
know,
since
I've
been
on
council.
I've
been
amazed
that,
if
the
the
facilities
that
we
have
are
top-notch
in
every
department-
and
I
said
this
at
our
last
meeting-
you
know
just
take
the
water
department,
for
instance,
and
the
what
we
go
through
to
give
our
customers
and
the
citizens
clean
water
and
clear
water,
safe,
clean
water.
H
And
you
know
waste
products
too.
I
mean
I
mean
we
have
facilities
all
throughout
clearwater
that
take
care
of
that
and
those
are
things
people
don't
think
about.
They
just
think.
Well,
it's
just
one
of
those
things
that
should
happen.
Naturally
it
doesn't.
I
mean
it's
a
big
cost
and
a
big
system
to
take
care
of.
H
I
can
tell
you
already,
I
you
know
as
far
as
police
and
fire
public
safety
is
always
and
has
always
been
and
will
always
be
to
me
now
number
one
is
giving
our
citizens
the
best
police
and
fire
service
that
we
can.
So
that's
going
to
be
always
be
important.
In
my
book,
I
I
mean
I
couldn't
tell
you
either,
as
mr
hamilton
said,
what
we
need
for
our
community,
but
I
know
talking
to
the
chief,
the
fire
chief.
H
I
know
they
look
at
before
they
just
build
a
fire
station
where's
the
best
place
to
have
that,
and
is
it
if
it's
out
on
the
the
border
of
our
city,
can
we
share
with
another
city
that
to
come
in
and
do
the
same
with
them
so
we're
just
not
building
them
everywhere
I
mean.
There's
a
lot
of
logic
and
thought
that
go
into
this
to
give
us
the
best
service,
and
so
to
me
this.
This
is
a.
H
We
could
probably
talk
hours
on
this
one
subject:
what's
what's
the
appropriate
level
of
service,
we
want
our
citizens
to
have
everything
and
we're
pretty
lucky,
even
the
parks.
Somebody
was
mentioning
to
me
like
how
great
the
park
was
in
largo.
Well,
they
do
have
a
great
park.
I
remember
they
used
to
be
with
the
county
fair
there.
H
At
one
time
I
used
to
go
over
there
and
see
that
now
it's
a
beautiful
park,
it's
lit
and
I
say
well,
you
know
we
have
hundreds
of
parks
in
clearwater
they're,
not
as
big
as
that,
but
we've
got
some
parks
that
are
as
big
as
that,
and
you
know
we
just
don't
have
one
park.
We've
got
hundreds
of
them
because
we
spread
them
out.
People
enjoy
that.
H
That's
one
of
the
the
things
that
makes
our
computer
our
com
community
stand
out.
Above
all
of
the
communities
around
us.
Clearwater
is
very
special
to
me
and
its
citizens.
I
mean
we
do
give
a
lot
of
services
for
just
for
living
here,
safety
one.
Then
we
have
you
know
the
statement
best
place
to
live
work
and
play.
We
got
it
all.
E
For
most
people,
I
think
when
they
think
of
the
city,
they'll
think
of
the
things
that
they
actually
interact
with
most
like
a
library
or
park.
E
So
as
far
as
what
gets
you
know,
the
priority,
well
they're,
they're,
all
important,
certainly
police
and
fire
are-
are,
I
think,
the
most
important
to
keep
everybody
safe.
E
G
We
had
a
beautification
division
that
you
know,
did
all
your
landscaping,
maintenance
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
And
then
we
got
to
a
point
where
we
hit
the
recession
and
we
really
had
to
make
some
reductions
and
we
learned
that
when
we
take
care
of
things
ourselves,
it
truly
does
reflect
a
higher
level
of
service.
It's
absolutely
beautiful.
I
mean
you
couldn't
find
a
place
that
had
landscaping
that
wasn't
really
well
maintained.
G
Well,
when,
when
we
had
to
reduce
our
budgets
to
recognize
our
budget
limitations,
then
we
had
to
find
alternative
ways
of
addressing
that
need.
So
we
start
outsourcing
some
of
the
landscape
maintenance
in
areas
where
it
didn't
need
to
be
as
pristine
as
other
areas,
and
you
could
actually
see
the
difference,
and
so
what
happens?
Sometimes
is
the
citizens
want
that
higher
level
of
service,
but
we're
really
not
staff
to
provide
it.
G
We
didn't
close
one
library,
we
didn't
close
one
rec
center
and
I
had
the
discussion
with
the
council.
The
mayor
remembers
this.
We
I
mean
because
I
wanted
to
know
you
know
how
what
do
we
want?
You
know
what
do
you
want
to
do?
Where
do
you
think
you're
going
to
take
some
real
hits
from
the
from
the
community
on
reductions,
and
it
was
pretty
obvious
that
that
certain
quality
of
life
issues
as
we
experienced
this
recession,
we're
still
important
to
the
community.
G
So
clearly,
I
think
reinforcing
the
prominence
of
public
safety
and
and
that's
not
taking
anything
away
from
public
utilities,
because
water
sewer
has
funding
that
that
keeps
us
in
good
shape
there
and
keeps
the
staffing
where
it
needs
to
be
parks
and
recreation
did
take
some
cuts
and
and
they're
still
suffering
from
some
of
those
cuts.
Right
now
and-
and
so
the
question
really
is
you
know
kind
of
you
know?
How
do
we
address
some
of
those
areas?
Libraries,
I
think
we're
fine.
G
When
it
comes
to
libraries
and
so
mayor
to
your
question,
I
think
part
of
it
deals
with
what
you
get
back
from
the
public
as
we
move
in
this
strategic
planning
segment.
What
are
you
hearing
you
know?
Where
have
we
now
missed
the
mark
in
some
areas
where
the
public
feels
like
it
needs
to
get
higher
levels
of
service?
I
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
really
have
a
good
feel
for
that.
G
Until
you
get
some
feedback
from
the
public,
you
know
the
staff
is
going
to
fund
you
know
to
as
best
we
can
we're
going
to
budget
what
we've
got,
but
I
have
not
really
focused
on
going
out
and
adding
more
cost
to
our
government
to
pursue
some
increased
level
of
service
and
and
won't-
and
I
wouldn't
do
that
without
you
all
being
a
part
of
that
conversation.
B
I
only
know
that,
because
it
was
built
a
couple
years
after
ours,
ours
was
90,
000
square
feet,
there's
90
300,
and
if
you
don't
think
that
was
on
purpose,
I
think
they've
got
two
rec
centers,
you
know,
whereas
we
have
the
beach,
we
have
the
sailing
center.
We
have
north
greenwood
ross,
norton
long
center,
morningside
countryside.
B
We've.
We've
decided
that
we're
going
to
have
a
much
higher
level
of
service
that
people
are
not
going
to
have
to
drive.
As
far
and
going
back
to
the
recession
that
mr
horn
was
talking
about,
we
didn't
decide
to
eliminate
anything.
We
just
spread
the
peanut
butter,
a
lot
thinner,
so
you
know
we
didn't
close
the
library
we
just
may
not
have
every
library
open
at
every
hour
correct,
so
it
rotated
around
same
thing
with
the
rec
centers.
B
B
F
I
would
agree
with
you
too,
but
I
think
we
need
to
maintain
what
we
have.
We
have
very
nice
facilities,
libraries,
rec,
centers
and,
and
I'm
all
about
maintaining
them.
I
don't
have
any
indication
from
residents
that
there's
this
big
push
for
adding
libraries
or
rec
centers.
F
I
haven't
heard
anything
I
I
wanted,
because
you
started
out
the
conversation
about
money
and
priorities
and-
and
you
mentioned
that
you
weren't
in
favor
of
defunding
the
police,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
statement
in
my
understanding
of
what
defunding
the
police
means,
and
I
hate
that
phrase.
I've
hated
it
from
the
very
first
time
I
heard
it,
but
my
understanding
is
it
means
taking
some
of
the
resources
and
reallocating
them
to
social
work
or
counseling
or
interventions
that
way,
so
it
doesn't
mean
taking
money
away
from
the
police.
F
F
I
believe
those
are,
I
think
I
think
it
depends
on
each
different
police
force.
What
their
needs
are
if
they
see
that
they
need
more.
You
know
street
outreach
or
social
workers.
Then
then,
if
a
police
chief
were
to
tell
me,
I
need
some
resources
for
social
worker
street
outreach.
I
trust
that
police
chief.
F
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
yeah
a
valid
thing,
and
then
we
talked
about
clarification
about
defining
better
when
we
have
enough
of
something-
and
you
use
the
word-
we're
having
kind
of
arguments
about
that
ratio
of
park,
land
per
resident
and
or
green
space-
and
I
think
in
you
know,
in
the
vein
of
being
real
transparent,
we
do
need
to
clarify
what
that
acreage
is.
Is
it
accessible
by
residents?
Is
it
parkland?
Is
it
protected
wetland?
F
What
is
it
are
these
fields
that
here's
another
thing
you
know
are
these
fields,
these
recreational
fields
that
we
have
that
are
locked
up
and
gated
and
taken
care
of
by
our
city
workers.
So
their
you
know,
field
lines
are
are
painted
and
the
and
the
fields
are
kept
at
a
certain
level
for
you
know
play,
but
if
they're
locked
up,
then
that
you
know
that
ball
field
down
down
the
street
in
my
neighborhood
my
cat,
kid
can't
go
there
and
kick
a
soccer
ball
or
practice.
F
You
know
field
goal
attempts
or
whatever,
because
it's
locked
up,
that's
you
know,
that's
not
a
usable,
green
space
or
park
for
our
residents
necessarily.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
real
transparent
about
that
too.
I
mean
I
grew
up
where
I
grew
up.
We
had
our
elementary
school
was
right
through
my
backyard.
F
No
fence
we
just
walked
through
the
backyard,
went
to
elementary
school
came
home
for
lunch
all
that
stuff
and
we
had
a
park
right
behind
it.
Where
the
you
know,
the
public
school
park
was
open
to
everybody
to
go,
play
tennis
or
play
football
or
basketball,
and
now
you
know
with
school,
shootings
and
everything,
everything's
fenced
up
and
kids.
You
know
don't
have
places
to
go.
My
heart
is
broken
about
that.
F
You
know
when
you
mention
again:
parks
also
aren't
free.
One
thing
that
I
would
come
back
and
say
is
that
it's
been
shown
that
parks
and
open
spaces
increase
property
value
when
when
they're
around
them,
you
know
unless
you're
in
downtown.
You
know
chicago
across
from
maggie
daley
parker,
so
well,
of
course,
maggie
dally
parks
right
there,
but
anyway,
you
know
there
is
value
added
with
green
space
and
then
finally,
I
guess
you
know
we're
talking
about
what
level
of
service
is
appropriate
for,
like
police
or
fire.
F
I
mean
I
have
no
means
to
comment
on
that.
I
mean
I
would
say
if
our
insurance
carrier
is
saying
this
is
you
know
we're
at
the
highest
level
of
of
service
with
you
know
the
number
of
ladder,
trucks
and
and
the
time
that
we
have
to
get
to
a
call
all
that
is
beyond
what
I
know
to
comment
on,
but
I,
if
we're
looking
at
a
hierarchy-
and
you
mentioned
a
hierarchy-
you
know,
meslow's
hierarchy
of
needs
starts
with
physiological
needs
and
that's
you
know
we
need
to
breathe.
F
E
Well,
council,
member
back
benders
is
right
that
defund,
the
police
is
a
horrible
horrible
statement,
but
the
I
I
think
the
the
chief
has
talked
about
the
fact
that
you
know
officers
are
required
to
do
so.
Many
things
beyond
policing
and
you
know
they
have
to
be
marriage
counselors,
they
gotta,
you
know
be
mental
health
professionals
essentially,
and
I
believe
there
are
cities
that
work
with
the
police
department
and
other
agencies
to
get
the
right
people
to.
E
Is
needed
at
the
911
that
doesn't
mean
oh
boy:
let's
not
give
the
police
money,
it
just
means,
maybe
there's
some
smarter
ways
to
handle
some.
Some
of
the
calls
that
come
in.
I
remember
the
little
inconsequential
thing
that
I
forgot
before
from
the
vice
mayor's
comments:
the
largo
park.
I
just
remember
at
christmas
time
driving
past
that
and
it
was
so
beautifully
lit
that
that
gave
me
a
an
impression
about
the
city
of
largo
and
and
their
their
library
being
right
by
that.
E
That's
our
library
too,
because
our
library
systems
are
intertwined,
and
I
love
the
fact
that
we
can
go
there
and
check
out
something
whether
it's
a
book,
a
cd,
a
dvd
or
or
a
puzzle,
and
then
return
it
at
our
local
library
when
we
have
a
chance
and
it
gets
to
the
right
spot
so
that
that's
a
way
that
that
I
love
the
the
way
our
system
is
set
up
to
help
people
in
in
all
the
local
communities.
B
B
B
B
Fortunately,
it's
not
in
our
city,
but
dunedin's
gonna
go
through
a
very
interesting
debate
over
the
44
acres
that
miss
hackworth
left
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
that
want
to
see
that
turned
into
green
space.
Yet
at
the
same
time
there's
an
error.
I
was
just
curious.
What
everybody's
you
know!
B
Opinions
were
about
that
because
it
drives
things
it
drives
what
we
can
do
with
land
and
development
and
everything
else,
and
I
what
I
want
is
also
citizens
to
hear
some
of
this,
because
I
think
it
puts
reality
injects
reality
into
the
conversation,
because
a
lot
of
times
we'll
have-
and
I
do
think
we've
got
some
problems.
I've
talked
to
gina
about
this.
B
You
know
where
different
zonings
collide
and
and
that's
a
really
tough
situation
where
you
have
residential
meeting
commercial
or
residential
meeting
industrial,
but
both
zonings
have
a
right
to
do
something
with
their
property.
Vice.
H
You
know
the
residential
on
the
north
end
of
the
beach,
but
that
wasn't
as
abrupt
as
some
of
the
ones
that
have
come
up
before
us,
where
you
have
something
that
comes
right
up
abruptly
to
you
know
where
there's
no
transition
area-
and
I
don't
really
know
how
we
would
do
that
unless
we,
you
know
you
had
a
transition
area
that
would
go
down
from.
Let's
say
if,
let's
say,
if
you
had
an
area
that
was
had
a
limit
of
10
stories,
and
then
you
had
residential.
H
H
But,
as
you
know,
I'm
a
I'm,
a
big
property
rights
guy.
I
think
that
you
know
if
you
have
a
stake
in
a
in
property,
and
you
can
do
anything
that
lawfully
you're
able
to
do
with
that
property
and
it's
kind
of
up
to
the
city
for
us
to
think
about
how
we're
buffering
those
areas,
because
we
do
have
there's
some
areas
of
the
company
have
just
open
zoning
and
I've.
H
Seen
that
where
you
I
mean
they
don't
care,
what
you
put
you
could
put
a
commercial
development
in
the
residential
development
and
that
hasn't
worked.
Well,
I
think
ours
works
better
than
most,
but
you
know
we
do
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
areas
of
the
city
and
we're
completely
built
out,
so
we're
a
redevelopment
community,
I
mean
we
have
everything's
already
been
built
if
something
new
is
going
to
be
built,
something's
going
to
come
down
for
it
to
be
built.
H
So
I
think
that
you
know
in
those
in
that
vein
that
that's
a
little
bit
easier
to
try
to
figure
if
it's
already
a
residential
property.
You
know
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
build
a
commercial
piece
on
that
property.
So
but
I
don't
believe
that
some
of
the
objections
we've
heard
from
people
when
somebody's
already
bought
up
property
that
they
can't
legally
build
what
they
you
know.
They
bought
the
property
for
so.
H
I'm
gonna
stick
mostly
with
the
with
the
property
owner
on
that
one.
C
If
someone
believes
that
we
have
done
that,
and
that
is
a
statutory
process
that
tells
us
how
to
address
that
that
objection
to
our
restriction,
but
it
does
not
necessarily
apply
to
current
restrictions
it.
It
applies
to
changes
that
we
make
currently.
So
if
we
were
to
down
zone
a
property,
that
would
be
a
concern.
C
There's
a
possibly
that
is
one
of
the
possibilities.
C
E
Mark
explain
to
me
how
a
building
can
be
up
to
code,
but
it's
not
inhabitable.
You
can't
put
anything
in
it
like
if
we
wanted
to
put
up
a
pop-up
store
in
one
of
the
empty
buildings
downtown.
Well,
no,
you
can't
do
that
or
I've
mentioned
you
know
letting
an
artist
turn
it
into
a
studio.
Well,
it's
not
not
able
to
do
that,
because
it's
not
safe
to
enter.
C
E
C
Well,
I
wouldn't
say
you
can't
do
that.
We
we
have
done
that
under
certain
circumstances,
but
we
can't
allow
them
to
move
in.
The
landlord
would
have
to
allow
that
and
it
does
have
to
comply
with
the
building
code
for
the
use
proposed
and
with
the
zoning
code.
So
an
artist
studio
may
be
fine
it.
It
really
depends
on
what
you're
talking
about
and
where
so
yeah
I
mean
there
are
things
that
are
permittable,
but
you
do
have
to
meet
code
requirements
to
get.
E
Sure
we
have
cool
requirements,
but
if
you
want
to
do
something
you
need,
you
know
a
higher
code
requirement.
B
C
B
B
B
Know,
chief,
I'm
just
talking,
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
us-19.
It
was
we'll
put
it
that
way.
Well
now,
the
one
up
by
the
fort
is
out
in
the
county.
I
believe,
and
the
one
at
the
corner
of
19
and
gulf
to
bay
is
the
only
one
or
almost,
but
we
used
to
have
them
all
over
the
place
we
used
to
have
them
downtown
at
the
ritz
theater
right.
Well,
that
was
a
triple
x
theater
anyway,.
B
D
D
You
also
have
responsibilities,
and
I
made
that
comment
earlier,
but
you
know
normally,
when
you
buy
a
piece
of
property,
especially
when
it's
in
a
commercial
other
than
residential,
if
it's
other
than
residential.
You
know
the
city.
A
D
Certain
zoning
and
and
whatnot
that
you
know
puts
certain
restrictions
on
that
property
and
those
you
know
if
you
don't
know
what
those
restrictions
are
when
you
buy
it,
shame
on
you,
but
and
if
you
want
to
do
something,
that's
not
within
that
allowance.
D
You
have
the
opportunity
to
come
to
the
city
to
ask
to
have
it
changed,
and
you
know
if
you
can
make
your
case,
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
it,
but
but
I
think
to
me
as
long
as
it's
within
what
the
what
the
code
allows
and
the
zoning
is
appropriate
and
you're
not
doing
something
that
the
zoning
doesn't
allow.
D
D
It
goes
back
to
you
and
I
were
on
the
council
when
the
bell
harbor
condominiums
were
being
built
on
clearwater
beach,
and
we
had
people
from
island
estates
coming
to
complain
in
front
of
us
saying
if
you
let
them
build
this,
it's
going
to
block
my
view
of
the
sunset
and
it's
like
where
in
the
world
do
you
think
you're
entitled
to
see
unobstructed
across
somebody
else's
property?
It's
just
nowhere
in
this
country.
Do
you
have
that?
Have
that
ability?
D
And
but
there
are
some
people
who
just
but
I
will
always.
I
will
always
support
property
owners
rights
to
do
what
is
allowable
with
their
property
if
they
want
to
do
something.
That's
not
necessarily
allowable
they've
got
a
case
to
make
and
I'll
listen
to
it,
but
I
won't
necessarily.
I
won't
guarantee
you
I'll
agree
to
it.
That's
for
sure.
F
Yeah,
I
I
would
just
say
one
thing
about
that.
I
I
certainly
you
know,
support
private
property
owners
rights.
F
I
think
I
looked
at
this
a
little
different
angle,
but
I
think
from
what
you're
discussing
you
know,
we
do
have
zoning
and
and
restrictions,
but
from
my
understanding
of
the
community
development
board,
there
is
some
nuance
in
the
language
as
in
must
conform
to
the
aesthetics
of
the
surrounding
area,
for
some
of
those
developments,
edgewater
and
perhaps
the
one
at
clearwater
point,
and
so
that's
up
for
interpretation
about
what
does
that
really
mean
to
conform
to
the
aesthetics
of
the
surrounding?
F
You
know,
architecture
or
whatever,
and
so
that's
where
it's
not
always
black
and
white-
that
I
think
sometimes
you
know
residents
don't
feel
like
this
big.
You
know
gaudy
monstrosity
from
oceans,
11
is
is
going
to
be
built,
but
anyway,
the
the
way
I
I
kind
of
looked
at
this
was
I
wanted
development
on
the
private
property
that
we
have
here
so
where
people
have
vacant
storefronts
or
some
of
these
industrial
looking
sites
that
I
see
around
missouri
or
cleveland
or
hercules
or
keene
or
whatever,
is
that
I
see
these?
F
I
call
them
like
underutilized
to
me.
It
looks
like
nobody's
there
and
some
of
these
paved
over
places.
What
can
we
do
to
get
people
to
get
entrepreneurs
in
those
buildings?
Get
businesses
in
those
buildings,
and
I
know
it's
a
patchwork
and
I
think,
with
the
landings
referendum,
I
think
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
that
why
do
I
drive
by
x,
y
or
z,
all
the
time
and
and
there's
nothing
there?
F
First,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about
our
hierarchy
of
needs
and
where
to
put
our
resources,
perhaps
we
need
to
have
more
people
in
you
know.
We
need
to
give
more
money
to
the
economic
development
department
or
planning
so
that
we
can
work
to
incentivize
people
to
to
come
to
our
city
and
and
open
up
a
business
there.
Maybe
it's
mentoring,
maybe
it's
you
know
reducing
fees
to
first-time
entrepreneurs
that
come
into
a
storefront
on
something.
F
But
but
you
know,
if
that's
what
residents
are
telling
us
that
that's
important
and
mr
horn
said
you
know
some
of
those
priorities
shift
based
on
citizen
demand
or
engagement
for
those
things.
Maybe
that's
what
we're
hearing
from
residents.
We
say
time
and
time
again
and
you
know
we're
completely
built
out
documents.
Official
documents
say
the
city
of
clearwater
is
completely
built
out,
there's
no
more
room,
then
we've
got
to
put
our
money
and
energy
into
how
to
develop
the
vacant
patchwork
of
of
land
that
we
have
not
vacant.
F
I
don't
want
to
take
any
vacant
land,
but
you
know
things
that
have
blacktopic
concrete
and
empty
buildings,
and
and
and
let's
get
life
and
energy
in
there.
You
know
I'm
okay
with
private
property
rights,
but
man
when
you
buy
a
building
and
you
just
sit
on
it
and
it's
empty.
You
know
that's
awful.
It's
just
awful
for
all
of
us.
F
B
So
I
can't
explain
the
behavior.
They
must
have
a
lot
of
you
know
extra
money
laying
around
that
they
want
to
get
rid
of,
but
as
as
warren
buffett
used
to
say,
if
you
want
to
build
a
small
fortune,
invest
a
large
fortune
in
airlines.
B
It
seems
like
these
people
have
fortunes,
that
they
just
want
to
throw
away.
But
I.
I
B
B
We
do
have
limited
tools
in
our
tool
chest
and
one
of
the
things
we've
done
in
certain
times
is
giving
additional
development
rights.
That
has
been
a
way
to
move
properties
from
weak
hands
to
strong
hands,
denise
or
gina.
I
don't
know
if
you
either
one
of
you
want
to
take
a
bite
of
that
and
then
we
need
to
take
a
break
and
hopefully
finish
off.
L
Gina
clayton
planning
and
development.
Sorry,
I'm
tangled
up
here
yeah.
We
have
been
really
focused
on
creating
redevelopment
areas
where
we
can
build
transit,
supportive
pedestrian,
supported
areas
and
also
that
enables
us
to
preserve
our
residential,
more
suburban
area,
so
downtown
clearwater
beach
us-19.
L
So
we
will
probably
at
some
point,
bring
more
forward
to
you
for
consideration
of
intensifying
certain
areas,
while
protecting
others
and
we'll
probably
clearly
define
that
as
we
move
through
the
comp
plan
update,
I
think
we've
been
very
successful
on
clearwater
beach.
That's
our
most
successful
redevelopment
area.
Downtown,
as
you
all
know,
is
still
not
attracting
the
development,
even
though
we
have
the
higher
development
potential
in
place
and
have
had
it
for
years
and
years.
L
Us
19
has
a
lot
of
development
potential,
but
the
market
is
just
not
there.
We
are
seeing
a
lot
of
new
residential
development,
but
it's
a
low
density,
maybe
15
units
per
acre.
We
have
higher
density
on
clearwater
beach
being
built,
so
there's
a
little
lag.
Denise
can
probably
talk
about
that
part
of
the
redevelopment
equation,
but
from
a
planning
standpoint,
that's
what
we've
been
focused
on,
creating
areas
where
investment
can
occur
and
should
occur
so
that
we
can
maintain
other
parts
of
the
community
as
the
status
quo.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
C
C
C
G
Very
impressive
and
then
she's
a
career.
They.
B
We
will
reconvene
the
work
session.
We
are
on
item
13..
What
are
your
feelings
about
supporting
major
league
baseball
history
of
relationship,
economic
impact
to
baseball?
If
we
don't
support
what
will
cost
beef
of
dismantling
spectrum
or
operating
without
a
team
who
wants
to?
We
don't
have
any
here
here
specifically
for
history,
do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about?
I
know
hoyt
could
talk
about
or
myself,
but.
G
Well,
I
think
we
are
in
what
year
75
74
75
coming
up
of
our
relationship,
and
we
have.
It
is
the
I
think,
it's
the
second
longest
in
one
year
about
one
year
in
baseball
and
and
we
have
enjoyed
a
great
relationship
with
the
philadelphia
phillies
organization
and
and
and
it's
my
opinion
that
that
relationship
is
really
responsible
for
their
tenure
here
and
how
our
community
has
enjoyed.
G
I
think
quite
a
bit
of
of
relationship
with
with
the
philadelphia,
delaware
valley,
people
who
have
come
here.
Tourism
has
clearly
been
enhanced
as
a
result
of
that
long-term
relationship
and
and
and
we've
invested,
the
the
clue
our
elected
official
over
over
my
tenure
has
invested
in
that
relationship.
G
I
nurtured
that
relationship
the
same
thing
with
the
philadelphia
phillies.
Their
leadership
has
invested
in
that
relationship
and-
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
how
we
have
evolved
and-
and
I
also
I'll
be
candid
and
say,
I
think
that
there
is
a
desire
that
that
we
reach
that
hundred
year
mark
with
this
next
agreement.
That
has
to
be
an
issue
that
has
to
be
negotiated
and,
and
I'm
optimistic
that
it
that
we'll
that
will
get
there.
G
I
can't
give
you
specifics
right
now,
but
but
but
that
relationship
has
been
very
beneficial.
G
The
the
florida
florida
operations
organization
has
invested
in
our
community
and
in
areas
other
than
baseball,
and
we're
approaching
we're
not
going
to
have
it
this
year,
but
but
bubash,
which
has
turned
out
to
be
one
of
the
most
popular
halloween
celebrations
we
have
in
the
community
is
done
at
the
ballpark.
G
We're
not
going
to
have
this
year
because
of
coding
and
and
just
the
the
history
of
of
a
foot
of
baseball
players
that
william
live
here
and
and
and
have
come
to
be
a
vibrant
part
of
our
community.
I'll
just
leave
it
there.
Unless
you
have
something
else
to
say.
D
Why
are
you
looking
at
me?
I
mean
I'll
I'll,
go
first,
there's
no
doubt
about
it.
Obviously
other
than
you
know,
lakeland
lakeland
has
had
the
tigers
one
year
longer
than
we've
had
the
phillies
and
other
than
that.
You
know.
I
think
third
is
way
down
the
list,
it's
nowhere
near
where
we
are.
D
But
I
think
this
is
the
perfect
example
of
you've
got
to
spend
money
to
make
money,
and
you
know
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
people
that
have
bought
homes
and
condos
here
and
from
the
delaware
valley,
because
they
came
down
here
with
their
family
as
children
or
or
brought
their
children
down
here
during
spring
training,
and
you
know,
as
they've
retired
and
stuff
they've
they've
bought
property
down
here.
D
It's
it's
great
exposure,
the
you
know
the
byline,
the
press
byline
when
the
phillies
are
here
for
spring
training,
and
it
says
clear
water
on
that
byline
in
in
every
newspaper,
in
this
in
the
country
and
and
everything.
That's
that's
advertising
and
marketing
that
you
can't
buy
that.
Just
you
know
there
there's
you
really
can't,
and
it's
just
you
know
using
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
full
thing,
but
I
I
mean
using
the
county's
numbers,
the
counties
the
county
says.
D
The
economic
impact
of
the
of
the
phillies
on
clearwater
is
60
million
dollars
a
year.
We
believe
it's
higher
than
that
because
we
use
the
multiplier
effect.
The
the
philly
fan,
that's
in
town
spending
money
in
the
hotels
everything
else
goes
out
has
dinner
in
a
restaurant
leaves
a
tip
for
the
server.
The
server
then
takes
that
money
and
goes
out
and
and
spends
it
somewhere
else.
So
it
has
a
multiplying
effect
without
that
money
without
the
money
from
them
it
wouldn't
happen
and
we've
got
not.
D
Not
only
do
we
have
the
phillies,
we
are
the
home
of
the
phillies,
but
clearwater
is
a
great
parking
spot
for
blue
jay
fans
and
yankee
fans.
Because
do
you
want
to
stay
over
here
on
the
beach
and
go
to
a
tampa
yankee
game?
Or
do
you
want
to
stay
in
downtown
tampa
and
go
to
a
yankee
game?
You
know
it
so
you
know
major
league
baseball
and
and
is
huge
for
our
whole
area
and
we're
so
fortunate
to
have
the
phillies
here
so
yeah
yeah
we're
trying
to
come
up
with.
D
You
know
the
the
funding
mechanism
to
maintain
and
upgrade.
We
call
it
spectrum,
but
as
of
11
days,
it
won't
be
spectrum
anymore,
because
I
think
that
that
contract
with
spectrum
on
the
naming
rights
of
the
stadium
expires
the
end
of
october.
But
you
know,
as
with
any
other,
we
were.
You
were
talking
earlier
of
any
structure,
maintenance
and
and
upgrades,
and
what
not
have
to
be
done?
And,
yes,
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
economics
of
baseball.
D
Yes,
you
have
billionaire
owners
and
millionaire
players
cut
through
all
that.
If
they're
not
here,
we
don't
have
the
family
from
delaware
valley
coming
down
here
at
springtime,
we
don't
have
the
we
don't
have
the
phillies
organization
here,
you
know
they're
florida
operations,
they're
a
full-time
year-round
operation
and
a
great
community
partner
for
us
it.
You
know.
D
D
H
Without
being
real
long-winded
here,
I
agree
everything
that
council
member
hamilton
said:
we've
got
a
great
relationship
with
the
phillies.
I
can
tell
you
from
my
experience
when
spring
rolls
around
my
rentals
on
the
beach
are
full
and
you
know
they're
not
full
of
spring
breakers,
like
college
kids,
they're
full
of
families
that
are
down
here
to
go,
see,
baseball
and
you
know
they
leave
for
the
day
they
come
back,
maybe
at
night
they
might
walk
down
to
the
beach.
I
know
they
go
down.
H
They
spend
their
money
in
restaurants,
they
don't
they
don't
cook
there.
They
go
out
to
dinner
and
spend
their
money,
but
that's
the
kind
of
that's
exactly
what
kind
of
people
we're
looking
for,
because
clearwater
is
a
family
beach,
and
I
can
tell
you
just
like
hoyt
said
that
a
lot
of
these
people
that
come
down
over
the
years
they
come
back.
I
mean
the
kids
grow
up
and
they
come
back
and
they
buy
something
here,
because
they've
seen
how
beautiful
clearwater
is.
H
E
Well,
how
long
is
this
new
deal
supposed
to
last
that
we're
working
out
right
now,
20
years,
20.,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
get
us
up
to
that
100
year.
Mark.
E
E
This
is
extreme,
I
know,
but
I
I
noticed
that
the
phillies
are
willing
to
pay
to
change
the
light
bulbs.
I
know
god
bless
them,
but
there's
there's
you
know,
and
I
was
in
san
diego
when
the
chargers
you
know
where
we're
talking
about
moving-
and
I
saw
the
years
that
that
san
diego
was
losing
money
there
now
that
they,
the
charges
have
moved
on.
I
I
believe
san
diego
is
still
a
wonderful
place
to
live.
I
haven't
heard
any
complaints.
F
I
just
I
don't
have
as
an
emotional
connection
to
the
phillies
as
some
people
who
grew
up
here.
I
think
it
needs
to
make
financial
sense.
I
think
we
need
to
be
fully
transparent.
I
feel
confident
that
our
city
manager
has
hired.
You
know
a
consulting
firm
to
do
the
negotiation
with
the
phillies
and
then
come
back
to
us
with
recommendation.
F
But
if
we're
you
know-
and
I
there
are
a
few
things
number
one-
I
would
hope
the
phillies
put
a
significant
chunk
of
skin
in
the
game
and
some
money
in
as
well,
so
they
feel
invested.
But
I
think
you
know
if
we're
asked
to
to
pitch
in
14
to
16
million
or
whatever
it
was.
You
know
during
the
camp.
You
know
months
ago,
residents,
you
know
that's
money
that
could
go
somewhere
else,
and
so
we
just
have
to
be
clear
that
this
is
what
the
city,
it's
a
it's
the
tax.
F
It's
it's
our
coffers,
it's
our
money
that
that
we
tax
and
residents
that's
residents,
money
and
if,
if
we
feel
we
want
to
give
it
to
the
phillies
and
that
field
upkeep
and
maintenance,
that's
fine!
But
let's
have
a
list,
you
know
again,
let's
have
a
list
of
all
the
value
we
get
from
that
and
and
if
they
you
know,
they
do
a
lot
of
giving
back
in
our
community
and
they
sponsor
boo,
knight
or
whatever
it
is
boo,
boo,
bash
and
all
that
is
there
a
value
in
the
past.
F
That's
associated
with
that
put
that
number
down
on
a
piece
of
paper,
but
I
would
say
when
people
I,
I
feel
that
and
again
this
is
just
a
feeling.
Just
like
some
of
the
statements
that
have
been
made
up
here
are
feelings.
F
I
have
a
feeling
of
many
many
many
of
our
hotels
would
be
filled
during
that
you
know
six
to
seven
week
spring
training
period,
whether
the
phillies
were
really
here
or
not.
I
mean
we
have
the
water,
we
have,
you
know
boating
and
fishing
and
all
the
things
that
go
a
lot.
We
have
the
temperature
coming
from
northern
illinois.
People
come
down
here,
and
so
I
think
that
those
hotels
would
be
filled.
I
think
residents
around
here
would
be
using
restaurants
and
spending
in
our
community
as
well.
F
Is
there
value
with
a
tradition?
Absolutely
would
I
want
them
to
be
there
here?
Absolutely
but
again
with
transparency?
What
are
they
asking
for?
What
is
the
cost
to
our
coffers?
What
is
the
value
they
bring
because
the
research
that
I've
done
many
many
economists
say
that
a
major
league
franchise
in
a
city
does
not
bring
in
as
much
as
what
that
city
is
offering
in
subsidies.
B
Well,
I
want
to
keep
the
relationship
with
the
phillies,
but
not
at
any
cost.
So
there's
a
deal,
there's
a
deal
structure
that
can
be
made.
We
haven't
gotten
there
yet.
I
think
the
consultant
is
a
good
idea.
If
you
go
back
to
when
bright
house,
I
still
call
it
bright
house
was
built,
it
was
six
and
a
half
million
from
the
city.
G
B
And
a
half
million
for
the
entire
facility
back
in
the
day-
and
you
know
the
the
seven
and
a
half
from
the
county
in
the
state
were
paid
over
years.
We
used
penny
for
pinellas,
which
I
would
point
out
is
not
necessarily
just
clearwater
taxpayers.
A
lot
of
that
comes
from
our
tourists.
B
An
awful
lot
of
petty
for
pinellas
does
because
they
come
in
and
spend
it,
and
then
money
also
came
from
the
bed
tax.
That's
how
the
county
participated.
You
know
right
now.
We
also
have
the
threshers
you
have
about
165.
B
B
I
think
you
know
if
there's
a
dealt
on
that
of
some
number
we
have
to
analyze
and
see
whether
that's
worth
it.
My
argument
would
be
it's
probably
not
because
I
don't.
First
of
all,
I
don't
think
the
dollars
are
going
to
be
that
much
less,
but
you
have
will
have
flushed
basically
down
the
toilet,
75
years
of
relationships.
B
B
B
B
D
I
think
the
other,
the
only
other
thing
is-
and
you
know
a
large
portion
of
the
money
that
we're
trying
to
obtain
in
this
through
this
arrangement
is
the
bed
tax,
which
is
paid
by
the
tourists
and
clearwater,
is
the
largest
contra
single
contributor
to
the
bed
tax
fund
in
this
county,
and
we,
you
know
our
bed
tax
money
that
we've
generated
has
gone
to
a
lot
of
great
projects
that
aren't
here.
The
dolly
museum
in
saint
pete.
D
Probably
can't
feel
the
new
pier
and
saint
pete
bmx
up
in
oldsmar
yeah,
I
mean
there's
there
a
lot
of
them
and
I
have
no
problem
saying
you
know
we're
great
community
partners
we're
great
helping
the
entire
community,
but
you
know
what
it's
our
turn.
This
is
our
turn
asking
for
our
the
money
that
we've
generated.
D
B
Well,
the
phillies
understand
we're
we're
slowing
this
process
down.
They
have
to
slow
it
down.
I
think
our
consultants
are
slowing
it
down
somewhat
because
it's
such
an
uncertain
time
and,
as
councilmember
hamilton
said,
a
large
portion
of
what
is
going
to
fund
this
is
going
to
come
from
the
tdc
and
the
visibility
on
tdc
dollars
is
very
difficult
right
now,
as
your
representative,
because
the
bed
tax
has
just
really
dried
up,
the
only
thing
that's
really
doing
well
right
now
is
the
vacation.
Rentals.
B
The
vacation
rentals
are
killing
it
they're
actually
seeing
year
over
year,
the
vacation
rentals
are
doing
better
than
previous
years,
because
people
want
to
be
in
a
house
or
a
condo
where
they're
not
coming
in
contact
with
restaurant
personnel
and
cleaning
people
and
everything
else
they
move
in.
It's
you
know
their
dirt.
I
guess
so
that's
doing
well,
but
right
now
the
tdc,
I
don't
think,
has
enough
clarity
to
make
a
20-year
commitment,
which
is
what
this
would
be.
G
F
G
B
I
B
Thank
you,
okay
number
14..
Once
we
get
back
to
normal,
how
do
we
want
to
better
engage
citizens?
We
once
did
monthly
breakfasts
those
were
successful
for
a
while
and
then
they
tailed
off
pretty
significantly.
I
know
we
could
do
rotating
meetings
with
council
members
of
libraries
or
multiple
council
members,
but
then
we've
got
to
notice
that
miss
call
might
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
process
or
mistaken.
B
B
Letters
to
citizens
randomly
and
inviting
them
to
a
restaurant
with
a
city
council
member
and
we
would
have.
Unfortunately,
in
the
beginning,
we
had
pretty
full
meetings.
We
kept
it
to
about
12
to
14
people
toward
the
end.
We
weren't
getting
anybody
to
come
out,
but
we
would
have
an
hour
and
a
half
breakfast
we'd
buy
and.
B
And
we
rotated
it
around
to
the
different
restaurants
that
whatever
council
member
was
hosting
liked
and
also
geographically,
we
moved
it
around.
I
know:
we've
had
council
members
do
meetings
at
libraries
individually
or
they
kind
of
posted
that
they
were
going
to
meet
if
we
have
more
than
one
council
member.
You
all
know
that.
Then
it's
got
to
be
a
noticed
meeting
and
if
more
than
one's
going
to
talk,
we
have
to
have
somebody
there
taking
minutes
and
notice
it
and
everything
else.
B
I
also
always
had
it
at
lenny's,
which
a
good
draw
too.
It's
probably
lenny's
and
not
me,
but
we
have
had
them
at
other.
You
know
libraries
and
rec
centers
and
then
the
only
other
question
I
had
this
is
my
frequent
flyer
question
see.
B
I
really
want
to
ask
this
question
at
what
point
I
mean.
First
of
all,
you
know
I
answer
emails
pretty
quickly
and
try
to
be
complete.
I
don't
always
have
the
answers,
so
I
do
have
to
go
to
staff
on
some
of
them,
but
then
there
are
some
people
that
we
get
literally
five
and
six
emails
a
day,
not
only
for
us
but
for
our
staff,
and
I
and
I've
told
some
of
them
at
some
point.
B
B
B
You
know
the
way
they
live
either
at
development
or
the
hours
of
the
rec
center
or
their
library
have
been
cut
or
their
park
doesn't
have
new
playground
equipment,
or
I
mean
those
are
kind
of
some
of
the
things
that
you
see.
People
come
out
of
the
woodwork
and
then
once
they
get
resolved,
then
they
kind
of
fade
back
into
I've.
Got
my
life
to
live.
I've
got
to
go
to
work.
I've
got
to
feed
my
kids.
B
D
Well,
I
I
think,
as
you
spoke
in
your
actually
closing
comments
in
our
last
meeting.
D
D
It's
almost
like
somebody
sends
in
a
question
and
they
expect
an
answer
immediately,
no
matter
what
else
we're
working
on
or
need
to
be
doing,
we
got
to
drop
it
to
answer
that
question
for
them
and
it's
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
a
sense
of
entitlement,
but
you
know
social
media
and
today's
technology
has
created
this
level
of
expectation
that
I'm
not
sure
is,
is
reasonable
in
all
situations
and-
and
your
question
is-
is
very
timely
to
say
you
know
how
much
is
you
know
when
is
enough
enough?
D
I
mean
it
just
it's
just
totally
different
people,
apparently
people
get
really
brave
on
a
keyboard
and
and
that
just
you
know
it's
a
sad
state
of
our
of
our
society
is
what
it
is.
D
Absolutely
so
yeah!
Well
that
starts
it.
You
know
it's
kind
of
started
in
washington
dc
and
it's
funneled
its
way
all
the
way
down.
It's
you
know
there
used
to
be
they
always
they
still
talk
about
reaching
across
the
aisle
in
washington,
but
I
think,
there's
a
there's,
an
electrified
fence
in
the
middle
of
the
aisle
and
they're
not
allowed
to
reach
across
it
anymore.
I
mean
last
week
last
week
during
the.
F
D
D
So
you
know,
and
because
of
that
and
the
vitriol
that
flies
back
and
forth
at
that
level.
People
think
it's
okay
to
do
it
all
the
way
down
to
our
level
and
I'm
sorry,
we're
all
neighbors
here.
You
know
we're
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road
at
this
level,
and
you
know
it's
it's
sad
and
like
I've
said
before
you
know,
I've
done
this
for
12
years.
I
got
two
more
to
go.
You
know
the
first
11
years
were
a
lot
of
fun.
B
E
I
do
feel
we
do
need
to
to
answer
people's
questions.
What
I
see
on
a
lot
of
these
chains,
though,
is
we'll
give
an
answer,
and
then
they'll
continue
to
be
an
argument
over
it.
No,
that
answer
is
not
right.
Well,
that's
the
answer
we're
providing
due
to
input
from
other
people
here
in
the
city,
like
the
attorney-
and
you
know
this
is
this-
is
what
we
consider
the
answer,
and
it
can
be
infuriating
when
those
cycles
keep
going
on
and
on
and
on.
B
B
You
know
for
citizens
to
be
heard
at
a
council
meeting
and
getting
their
three
minutes.
Having
more
of
an
open
forum,
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
go
to
a
library
and
sit
with
citizens
and
talk
for
90
minutes
about
anything.
That's
on
their
mind.
The
question
is
that
something
you
all
would
like
to
participate
in.
It
is
going
to
cause.
You
know
you
would
have
to
have
at
least
one
staff
member
there
probably
to
help.
B
H
I'm
trying
to
think
of
ways
that
I
can
engage
the
public
too
in
these
changing
times,
and
you
know
I've
talked
to
people
in
on
island
states
because
they
have
a
website,
and
I
thought
maybe
I
could
maybe
I
could
just
post
some
things
where
we're
at
with
the
city
for
people
who
want
to
take
the
time
to
look
at
a
council
meeting.
You
know
but
just
say
hey.
H
This
is
what
we're
talking
about
now
and
if
there's
any
input
you
can.
You
know
email
me
and
I'll
try
to
get
an
answer
for
you
on
it
one
way
or
another.
If
there
are
any
concerns,
if
there's
anything,
but
I
think
that
most
people
out
in
the
community
most
people,
don't
really
think
I
think
you
nailed
it
they.
H
They
don't
really
think
about
changes
in
the
government
unless
it's
something
that
affects
them
directly
and
then
then
they
want
to
have
an
answer
to
it
and
they
could
always
come
to
council
they're
in
a
meeting
and
and
ask
us
why
you
know,
but
I
think
there
are
a
certain
level
of
people
that
feel
that
are
active
activists
in
the
community
that
represent
they
feel
they
represent
the
community
and
have
to
come
to
us,
because
you
know
and
give
us
what
they
think
that
the
community
is
is
talking
about,
even
though
the
whole
community's
not
really
talking
about
it.
H
There's
a
small
group
of
people
talking
about
it
and
those
are
the
ones
we
get
the
five
and
the
ten
emails
a
day
on
that.
You
know
they
go
on
and
on
about
it,
and
I
don't
know,
I
don't
really
have
any
answer.
I
would
be
loved
to
be
available
to
do
something
if
it
was
in
a
library
or
I
even
talked
to
bill
one
time
about
maybe
going
out
to
the
rec
centers.
H
You
know
on
an
evening
and
having
an
hour
out
where,
if
anybody
in
the
neighborhood
wanted
to
come
out
and
talk
to
me
or
any
of
that
part
of
the
city-
and
maybe
we
could
have
points
within
the
city-
maybe
our
rec
centers
in
our
libraries
that
we
could
go
to,
but
I
think
one
council
member
could
take
one
one
council
member
could
take
another.
So
we
don't
have
to
have
a
you
know
a
advertised
meeting
and
we
do
the
best
we
can
with.
H
L
H
H
It
might
be
good
for
us
because
it
would
feel
like
we're
going
out
to
people
and
saying
hey.
How
can
we
help?
What
are
what
are
the
things
that
you
know
really
are
concerning
and
just
showing
up
and
having
people?
You
know
we
can't
do
it
anymore,
shaking
hands
with
people,
but
you
know
giving
the
fist
bump
saying:
hey
we're
here,
we're
listening.
F
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
turnout
we
get
if
we
were
one
at
a
rec
center
library.
I
know
that
dr
condiff
did
that
occasionally-
and
I
I
had
you
know
a
few
people
say
that
the
turnout
wasn't
all
that
great.
We
could
reach
out
to
him
and
find
out
what
his
turnout
really
was.
I
have
no
idea
how
he
promoted
it.
Pardon.
F
So
great
yeah
yeah,
you
know,
in
my
experience,
in
reaching
out
to
people
to
solicit
information.
You
know
offering
food
is
a
good
incentive.
If
you
have
pizza
with
a
council
member
or
whatever
I
don't,
you
know
it's
not
my
kind
of
thing,
but
it
it
can
work.
It
helps.
I
you
mentioned
the
island
of
states
and
their
website
and
having
some
kind
of
link
to
communicate
with
you.
F
I
would
I
have
a
web
page
that
I
developed
once
I
was
elected
and
you
know
it
asked
for
citizen
engagement
and
I
spent
a
bit
of
time
on
it.
Initially,
when
I
was
elected
and
covert
was
new
and
then
I
just
you
know,
I've
been
swamped,
so
I've
been
remiss
in
keeping
it
up,
but
I'm
gonna
tell
you.
As
a
teacher,
I
kept
my
website
up
every
single
day
and
and
after
november.
I
will
keep
my
website
up,
but
I
don't
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
visits.
F
You
know
and
I
have
all
sorts
of
documents
linked
and
and
resources
and
all
that
stuff.
So
you
know
I
I
need
to
do
a
better
job
with
that
along
those
lines.
Perhaps
we
could
have
the
cnc
link
to
our
emails
or
something
that
if
they
want
to
communicate
with
us
as
a
batch,
you
know
it
could
be
linked
on
the
cnc
page.
F
Maybe
I
had.
I
am
a
huge
proponent
of
allowing
people
to
call
into
our
meetings,
and
I
would
push
for
this
even
after
covet.
Whenever
that's
going
to
be
and
to
me,
I
think
it's
like
way
at
the
end
of
next
year,
because
if
we're
going
to
be
honest,
if
we
really
look
listen
to
the
news
and-
and
the
idea
seems
to
be
that
it's
a
vaccine
that
may
be
administered
in
two
different
doses-
and
we
have
people
that
are
not
going
to
you
know-
are
going
to
question
the
vaccine.
F
And
all
that
stuff
is,
is
I
don't?
You
know?
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
back
to
normal
with
real
safety
for
a
year,
but
anyway
allowing
call-ins
regardless
of
covid.
We
could
consider
setting
a
later
meeting
date
around
time
rather
than
6
p.m,
and
I
know-
and
I
I
feel-
for
the
staff
who
who
works
a
full
day
and
we
had
that
1am
meeting
almost
or
whatever
it
was
12
30..
F
Perhaps
we
can
invite
neighborhood
representatives
to
come
to
the
meeting
and
describe
their
community.
So
maybe
we
have
a
sky
crest.
Somebody
who
lives
in
sky
crest
and
says
we
give
them
10
minutes
on
a
work
session
or
probably
a
council
meeting,
because
a
work
session
is
when
people
work.
But
it's
like
come
just.
You
know,
describe
your
community
for
us.
What
are
your
big
concerns
there
in
sky,
crest
or
lake
bellevue
or
countryside,
you
know,
or
north
beach,
and
and
and
do
that?
F
The
other
thing
that
I
thought
would
be
interesting
is:
if
we,
you
know,
go
on
a
tour
of
that
neighborhood,
the
five
of
us.
We
could
go
and
meet
them
on
a
wednesday
night
or
something
they
could
walk
us
around
some
different
areas.
You
know
this
is
what
I
like.
This
is
a
problem
area
whatever.
I
think
we
need
to
go
to
people
and
communities
so
kind
of
like
a
walk.
The
talk
before
each
meeting
we
allow
an
hour
to
walk
around
a
community.
Take
a
brief
walk
talk
with
residents,
learn
what
they
care
about.
F
We
can
welcome
more
creative
citizen
engagement
again
when
I
knocked
on
doors
every
once
in
a
while.
I
come
upon
a
house
that
had
a
cool
little
brass
or
bronze
plaque.
That
said,
you
know
house
of
the
quarter
and
it's
like
wow.
You
know,
what's
this
all
about,
and
you
know
you
talk
to
the
resident
and
you
know
maybe
we
could
bring
back
something
like
that.
F
Maybe
we
could
have
a
non-profit
of
the
quarter,
so
these
are
people
that
live
in
our
community
and
do
a
lot
of
important
work,
and
maybe
we
could
recognize
them
once
a
quarter
at
our
meetings,
clearwater's
finest
we
can
honor
a
city
worker
that
we
celebrate.
I
think
it'd
be
great.
To
start
a
non-profit
coalition
and
have
a
small
group
that
interacts
with
our
city
council.
So
again,
this
is
a
different
type
of
resident
engagement.
I'm
thinking
that
these
are
the
people
that
live
here.
F
F
You
know
we
care
we
work
collaboratively
and
then,
as
far
as
the
your
comments
about
citizen
engagement
and
people
emailing
us
again
and
again,
I'm
right
there
with
you,
you
know
it's
it's
unbelievable,
but
you
know,
as
a
parent
or
a
teacher,
I
don't
like
to
punish
the
whole
class
for
the
bad
behavior
of
a
couple,
and
so
I
think
we're
really
talking
about
probably
five
or
fewer
chronic
emailers
right.
B
I
mean
you
know
you,
you
all
see
all
of
the
emails
that
I
get
and
respond
to
and
some
of
the
people
you
go
around
and
around
and
around
and
around
and
around
and
around,
and
I'm
not
exaggerating
for
anybody
who
might
be
watching
this
boring
meeting.
But
I
mean
literally
it
can
go
it.
It
can
be
20,
30
emails
in
a
week
yeah
and
to
me
that
gets
excessive
and
I
think
mr
bunker's
point
of
somebody
not
liking
the
answer,
and
you
know
how
your
kids
used
to
be
they'd.
B
Ask
the
question
in
a
different
manner,
hoping
to
get
a
different
answer
or
go.
Ask
a
different
parent
hoping
to
get
a
different
answer,
and
you
know
at
some
point.
I
think
we
have
to
say
and
a
couple
of
the
people
I
have
said
you
know
I
understand
we're
going
to
have
to
agree
to
disagree.
B
B
E
That's
what
I
thought
and
I'm
happy
to
to
meet
anyone
anytime
anywhere
at
one
of
the
meetings
I
said
hey.
If
you
want
to
come
down,
we
can
have
a
meal
downtown
at
one
of
the
restaurants
and
talk
about
what
he
ever
want
to
talk
about.
I've
got
a
couple.
People
who
have
taken
me
up
on
that.
One
needs
a
little
more
time
to
prepare
and
I'm
looking
at
you
sandra,
but
we
can
also
hop
on
to
a
neighborhood
the
neighborhood
happen
and
say
hi.
E
B
B
I
mean
I
would
recommend
that
it's
the
best
way
to
get
to
know
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighbors
within
the
neighborhood
and
oftentimes.
They
will
ask
for
somebody
to
come
out.
There
are
also
times
when
we've
had
council
members
that
showed
up
to
every
meeting,
and
I
had
some
of
the
presidents
of
those
associations
saying
you
know
we'd
like
to
have
a
private
conversation
every
once
in
a
while
without
a
city
representative
there,
because
we
want
to
talk
openly.
I
B
B
That's
something
that
I
think
is
important.
It
was
a
great
thing
that
we
had
with
the
neighborhoods.
It
was
a
way
to
leverage
money
and
my
house
was
neighborhood
of
the
quarter
once
but.
M
Yeah
gina
can
speak
to
the
neighborhood's
portion,
I'm
joelle
costelli
public
communications
director.
We
do
have
the
neighborhoods
coordinator
back
on
staff,
so
that
person
has
started.
We
we
just
recently
did
a
facebook
live
chat
with
the
chiefs.
So
we
we
have
two
of
those
that
we've
done
and
those
are
kind
of
targeted
in
that
you're
only
really
hitting
people
who
are
on
facebook,
but
it
is
a
way
that
we
could
do
those
chats
and
start
those
off
and
see.
M
If
there's
anybody
who
wants
to
come
in
and
ask
questions
to
the
chat,
we
can
moderate
the
chat
and
have
some
type
of
decorum
to
them.
So
we
can
send
you
those
links,
and
you
can
see
that
there's.
I
I
personally
think
at
the
very
beginning,
when
we
did
the
breakfast,
they
were
very
successful
and
we
had
a
lot
of
people
who
were
different
than
the
normal
people.
Who
would
come
out.
M
We
sent
out
invitations
to
registered
voters,
so
we
did
not
just
say
who
wants
to
ask
questions
come
to
a
breakfast,
so
we
personally
invited
registered
voters
and
then
took
the
people
who
called
from
that
and
at
the
beginning
we
were
having
to
make
people
go
to
a
wait
list
because
we
were
over
the
limit
for
that
month's
breakfast.
So
that's
just
what
I
wanted
to
add,
but
the
the
chiefs
can
also
tell
you
about
how
their
experience
with
the
live.
Chats
went.
K
I'll
really
briefly,
I
suppose
I
felt
it
was
a
really
good,
innovative
idea
that
joelle's
team
came
up
with.
I
know
that
when
I
did
the
community
groups,
I
felt
that
there's
a
segment
that
we
just
aren't
reaching
through
the
traditional
means
it
does
have
the
advantage
of
being
moderated
and
not
and
giving
you
time
to
basically
speak.
K
We,
I
think,
connected
with
a
group
of
residents
that
weren't
the
ones
that
traditionally
would
reach
out
through
some
of
the
other
methods
that
you
talked
about.
The
downfall,
of
course,
is
that
you're
on
facebook,
so
it
could
be
somebody
in
illinois,
you
know
or
no
offense
someone,
I'm
sorry
nebraska.
So
but
another
state
you
know,
so
it
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
staying
concise
to
your
constituent
group,
but
it
it
seems
like
a
in
today's
day
and
age
a
given
that
you
need
to
probably
utilize
some
of
those
tools.
N
Skydivers
fire
chief
clearwood
fire
rescue-
I
I
thought
same
thing
with
chief
slaughter.
I
think
it
was
a
great
idea,
it's
very
fun
to
do.
I
will
tell
you
that
be
ready
for
the
tough
questions
and,
if
you
watch
it,
my
daughter
actually
sent
the
question
and
to
find
out
who
was
the
best
kid
that
I
liked
out
of
all
of
them.
N
I
think
it
was
really
well.
I
think
it
really
did.
I
think,
from
a
learning
aspect
from
me,
because
we
have
a
image
to
portray,
I
think
and
same
with,
if
it's
more
relaxed,
that
we
had
talked
with
ali
and
a
couple
others
I
think
it
was
a
more
relaxed
setting.
It
provides
a
little
bit
more
interaction
for
the
public,
as
opposed
to
a
rigid,
rigid
look,
and
I
know
that's
what
I
need
to
work
on
next
time,
but
very
good,
very
good
thing.
I
think
it
was
so.
F
F
They
want
to
collaborate,
they
are
working
hard
and
so
it's
some
some
are
bad,
but
not
all-
and
I
think
not
most-
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
point-
and
I
think
in
our
country
too,
it's
it's
a
tough
time,
but
there
are
more
good
people
who
are
operating
with
civility
and
and
with
good
in
their
hearts.
B
B
B
Who
was
our
old
patty
and
who
was
the
most
protective
mother
bear
that
you
would
ever
come
across,
so
all
right,
number
15.
I
don't
think
anyone
knows
how
this
came
about
it
was
put
under
your
name.
Did
you
do
that
mistaken.
I
G
G
G
C
Well,
the
reason
I'm
giving
you
that
eyeball
is
because
I
think
the
discussion
was
about
council's
budget
and
because,
in
years
past
we
actually
talked
about
how
that
would
be
managed
and
each
council
member
had
an
allocation
if
you
will
that
they
had
to
work
within,
and
I
don't
think
we're
really
doing
that
right
now
I
have
an
allocation.
C
Included
yeah.
C
B
B
My
replacement
didn't
care
for
it
and
there's
things
about
it.
I
don't
frankly
care
for,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
enough
good
that
came
out
of
it,
that
I
had
the
ability
to
bring
back.
No,
he
didn't
want
it
personally,
I,
like
stealing
other
people's
good
ideas
or
learning
from
their
mistakes,
and
that's
what
I
got
out
of
the
us
conference
of
mayors.
But
it
is
a
budgetary
item
because
there's
travel
twice
a
year
and
there
is
a
membership
fee.
Yeah.
I
F
Yeah
one
thing
I
I
thought
I
you
know
that
I
could
mention
it's
not
going
to
be
popular
and
it
was
was
sort
of
brought
up
at
the
charter
review
meetings,
but
you
know
I'm
a
huge
proponent
for
more
diversity
on
the
council
and
throughout
a
whole
bunch
of
different
departments.
But
you
know
we're
paid.
I
don't
know
if
it's
like
27
or
28
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
if,
if
would
you
get
a
raise?
I
is
that
what
it
is.
F
Well,
I
I
think
I
get
like
3
30
a
week
or
whatever
it
is
and,
and
you
know,
in
order
to
serve
you,
you
need
to
have
this
can't
be
your
job,
your
only
job
and
for
me
it
takes
a
lot
of
hours
to
prepare
and
to
engage
with
residents
and
and
different
organizations
that
are
within
the
community,
and
you
know
I
just
thought.
Well,
you
know
for
another,
thirty
thousand
dollars
per
person,
you
could
have
a
salary
of
you
know
close
to
60,
and
maybe
somebody
could
afford
to
do
that.
F
D
It
goes,
it
goes
back,
it
goes
back
a
while
because
I
can
tell
you
in
my
first
campaign.
First
time
I
ran,
and
I
I
didn't
mean
it
as
a
slight
to
anybody
and
I
I
still
don't,
but
we
went
through
in
the
90s.
The
city
clearwater,
you
know
was
a
booming
time
for
a
lot
of
things
and
clearwater
missed
the
boat
on
it
in
a
lot
of
ways,
because
we
had
at
that
time
the
council
was
only
getting
paid.
D
I
think
12
grand
a
year
not
even
and
and
as
I
said,
you
know
it's-
I
was
very
fortunate
to
be
able
to
run.
I
had
the
family
support,
we
had
our
family
business.
I
had
the
support
of
my
family
to
run,
but
in
most
cases
for
a
long
time
through
the
80s
and
90s.
The
primary
makeup
of
our
council
was
people
who
had
nothing
but
time
on
our
hands,
which
was
housewives
and
retirees
and
and
that's
what
it
was.
D
Or
independently
wealthy
people-
and
you
know,
if
you
want
people
who
can
afford
you
know
to
do
the
job
yeah
we
tried,
we
made
the
comment
you
raise
the
raise
the
even
back.
Then
people
at
the
charter,
review
and
and
and
the
chamber
of
commerce
was
saying
you
need
to
raise
the
the
salary
of
a
city
council
person
up
to
60
000
a
year,
you'll
get
a
much
better.
You
wouldn't
have
got
me.
D
You'd
have
gotten
a
better
candidate
and
it's
it's
a
it's
something
that
has
been
discussed
and
people
have
said
it
for
years,
but
we
just
we've
just
never
gone
there
and
for
whatever
reason.
I
B
B
That
21
21
21.,
you
get
the
big
bucks.
I
do.
I
get
the
big
bucks
and
they're
well
worth
it,
but
truly
I
mean
it
is
hard
to
yeah
people
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
have
flexibility
in
their
schedule
prior
to
2001.
B
F
B
C
D
C
D
E
Right
if
we
wanted
to
engage
with
citizens,
though
I'm
sure
there'll
be
plenty
of
them
coming
in.
If
we
say
hey,
let's
give
ourselves
a
raise,
but
there's
so
many
people
who
are
struggling
in-
and
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
kathleen,
but
it
it's
rough.
We
we
do
this
because
we
wanted.
F
G
I
G
Like
to
make
one
comment
on
the
conversation,
though,
is
that
I
think,
if
you
do
it's
hard
enough
to
determine
if
this
is
a
full-time
or
part-time
job,
you
add
more
money
to
the
equation,
you're
going
to
have
to
sort
that
out
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
that
many
of
the
citizens
aren't
asking
you
for
policy
decisions,
they're
asking
you
to
change
what
they
don't
like.
That's
already
established.
G
So
just
just
imagine
with
me
okay,
so
now
you,
someone
is
elected
and
their
salary
can
support
their
being
full-time
counsel.
What
happens
when
they
discover
that?
Maybe
there
really
isn't
that
much
policy
work
to
be
done,
but
they're
getting
a
whole
lot
of
feedback
from
citizens
who
want
to
change
things
that
they
don't
like
yeah
and
then
what
you're
going
to
end
up
finding
is
that
you're
going
to
get
more
involved
in
in
a
lot
of
the
administrative
areas,
where
the
only
way
you're
gonna
sort?
G
G
I
mean
some
of
it
happens,
the
rules
just
get
out
of
sync
and
they
really
aren't
as
applicable,
and
then
you
know,
someone
approaches
you
and
you
look
at
it
and
you
say
okay
well,
maybe
we
ought
to
talk
about
it
and
then
change
it,
but
I
do
think
that
that
is
going
to
be
a
manifestation
of
what
happens
when
you
now
have
more
time
to
either
respond
or
figure
out.
Well,
let's
try
to
do
this.
C
The
other
thing
I
believe
that
happens
is
when
you
have
council
members
that
are
full-time.
They
also
need
more
staff,
they'll
need
legislative.
If
you
look
at
strong
mayor
systems,
for
example,
a
lot
of
the
council
members
have
full-time
staff,
the
secretarial
staff,
they
may
even
have
a
legislative
aid,
sometimes
in
addition
to
that.
So
when
you,
if,
if
this
goes
from
an
expectation
that
your
job
is
part
time,
then
you
will
likely
need
need
more
support
than
you're
getting
now
and
then
it
just
kind
of
snowballs.
B
Okay,
we're
gonna
do
the
advisory
boards
at
a
separate
meeting
natural
gas.
The
only
other
thing
was
to
talk
about
measurable
goals
and
priorities
for
the
city
manager.
B
Do
you
want
to
do
it
in
relation
to
the
salary
discussion
that
we're
gonna
have
or
within
the
vision
and
strategic
planning.
F
Well,
are
we
gonna
have
a
discussion
about
you
know
interviewing
or
when
we
are
starting
a
process
for
a
new
city
manager?
Would
it
be
them
as
well.
B
B
B
B
B
G
No,
I
think
it
has
been
beneficial.
I
do.
I
would
like
to
have
kind
of
a
separate
conversation
about
advisory
boards,
so
we
can
agenda
that
right
and,
like
you
said,
we're
going
to
also
agenda
the
conversation
around
how
you
want
to
approach
replacing
me
as
the
manager.
So
that's
a
that's
another
separate.
I
wouldn't
put
it.
G
Safety
manager
and
oh-
and
I
do
think,
I'm
not
sure
how
to
frame
this.
But
you
didn't
talk
about
the
gas
system
and
I
do
think
that
there
is
some
difference
of
opinion
about
that,
and
I
think
there
should
be
an
opportunity
for
you
all
to
kind
of
kind
of
work
through
it.
B
B
I
think
the
advisory
boards
we
can
just
hash
out.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
prior
to
the
presentation
on
gas
to
actually
discuss
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
hear
about.
I
agree,
okay,
so
if
we
could
have
checked
that
all
right,
hey,
I
thank
everybody
for
all
the
work
they
put
into
this
and
the
open
discussion,
and
I
think
it
was
very
beneficial.
Thank.