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A
A
B
Good
morning
to
you,
according
to
mayor
dan
slaughter,
I
would
like
the
honor
of
being
able
to
introduce
you
to
your
five
new
police
officers.
First,
as
from
working
from
my
left
to
right
is
jared
musa
who's,
a
graduate
from
saint
petersburg
college.
He
is
returning
to
clearwater
police
department.
He
worked
for
us
from
2011
to
2017,
we've
been
relocated
to
the
union
family
at
the
colorado,
springs
police
department
and
also
with
the
monument
police
department,
and
also
worked
with
pasco
county
as
an
arms
trooper.
B
B
B
Our
next
is
adam
marston,
who
is
a
decorated
united
states
army
veteran,
who
has
served
as
national
infantry
2013-2017,
attended
saint
petersburg
police
academy
in
2020
and
earned
his
associate's
degree
in
criminal
justice
from
the
grantham
university
of
kentucky.
He
has
been
employed
nuclear
weapons
department
as
one
of
our
telecommunicators
since
2017
from
the
development
of
the
smith
police
officer.
Last
is
david
grace,
who
has
also
decorated
the
united
states
military
from
the
coast
guard
and
served
from
2000
to
2020.
C
D
C
F
E
Fund
reserve
to
be
set
aside
as
a
commitment
for
the
minimum
local
government
areas
of
opportunity,
funding
that
is
required
for
blue
years
llc,
as
successor
in
interest
for
blue
sky
communities.
Llc
blue
sky
to
receive
a
basis
point
boost
in
the
state
of
florida's
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
program
for.
G
G
blue
skies
proposal
for
the
property
was
selected
through
request
for
proposals.
15-19
their
proposal
is
to
building
an
81
unit.
Low-Income
housing,
tax
credit
project,
blue
sky,
submitted
an
application
for
tax
credit
financing
under
the
florida
housing
finance
corporation's
most
competitive
application
cycle.
Last
year's
application
was
unsuccessful.
G
G
A
pledge
of
local
government
support
is
required
for
a
developer
to
complete
its
application
with
the
state,
as
was
the
case
last
year,
staff
is
proposing
to
fund
the
project
at
the
local
government
area
of
opportunity
funding
level.
This
is
a
higher
amount
than
the
minimum
required
contribution
and
gives
the
applicant
the
maximum
basis
boost
giving
their
application
a
higher
chance
of
success.
G
This
funding
level
amount
was
747
000.
Last
year
it's
been
reduced
to
610
000
this
year.
The
contribution
will
be
shared:
50
50
between
housing,
the
housing
division
using
home
investment,
partnership
program
funds
and
the
cra.
Our
contribution
will
be
in
the
form
of
interest.
Bearing
amendment
is
actually
the
blue
pierce
llc
because
of
a
cra
approved
assignment
of
the
agreement
with
blue
sky
by
blue
sky.
The
amendment
is
necessary
to
clarify
and
incorporate
the
minor
changes
in
the
state's
application
criteria,
most
notably
the
reduction
in
the
funding
level.
G
H
H
This,
like
a
are
we
entering
into
a
contract
on
it
with
a
contingency,
it's
like
selling
my
house
to
someone
who,
with
a
contingency,
that
they're
able
to
sell
their
house
if
somebody
comes
along
with
a
cash
offer
for
my
house,
am
I
unable
to
take
it?
So
you
know
with
this.
If
we
approve
it
now
or
we
were
unable
to
look
at
or
entertain
any
other
options
on
this
property,
while
the
process
is
going
through
with,
as
chuck
said,
no
guarantee
that
this
is
going
to
win.
J
Yes,
you
are
correct
this.
Your
original
contract
from
over
a
year
ago
was
did
allow
for
and
didn't
provide
for
this
extension.
So
this
is
an
obligation.
This
amendment
is
to
change
your
grant.
Your
matching
amount,
your
grant
amount.
So,
yes,
this
is
an
obligation
that
you
currently
have
and
you're
making
some
changes
to
that
amendment.
D
H
Because
I
I
mean
you
know
we
well
that
I
wasn't.
Okay,
I'm
not
comfortable,
I'm
not
comfortable
with
this
position,
but
if
legally
we're
bound
to
it,
I'm
not
sure
what
we
can
do.
I'm
not
if
I
don't
have
any
other
option.
J
Not
to
extend
but
this
this
was
a
two-year
commitment,
so
you
would
not
have
to
extend
beyond
this.
A
K
G
C
A
C
K
L
I
was
just
wondering
why
the
project
failed.
M
G
It
is
there's
a
lot
of
money.
That's
raised
yet
through
the
sale
of
of
tax
credits.
Last
year
there
were
two
applications
funded
with
the
local
government
area
of
opportunity,
funding
level.
What
that
does
is
it
brings
both
applications
to
the
top,
and
it
was
essentially
a
50
50
pick
last
last
year,
like
you're
picking
out
of
a
hat
this
year,
we
expect
to
see
anywhere
from
one
additional
to
three
additional
projects
to
compete
with.
N
Yeah,
I
also
looked
up
the
corporation
there's
actually
three:
there's
blue
pierce,
blue
player,
sam
and
then
blue
skies.
N
But
it
was,
I
know
there
could
be
other
people
involved.
I
came
up
with
three
people
on
this,
but
I
know
last
year
when
we
did
this,
that
it
was
going
to
be
very
chancy,
because
I
was
involved
with
some
tax
credit
on
a
piece
of
property
a
few
years
ago,
very
competitive,
and
it
it's
almost
like
it's
very
hard
to
get
that
kind
of
money.
So
if
they
were
coming
to
me
for
an
extension,
I
think
I
would
not
be
in
favor
for
it.
N
But
if
we're
obligated,
I
don't
know
where
we
can
go
on
this.
I
think
now
we
have
some
better
opportunities
for
downtown.
I
don't
think
a
affordable
housing
development,
I'm
all
for
that.
I
like
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
I
like
it
right
in
my
core
downtown
I'd
like
to
see
it
somewhere
else.
But
if
I'm
hearing
what
the
city
attorney
says,
we
we're
obligated
for
two
years
that
correct
at
this
point.
N
H
Yeah
and
chuck,
you
said
you
know,
there's
probably
even
more
competition
this
year
than
there
was
last
year.
So
we're
not
sure
of
this.
You
know
the
chances
of
success,
but
do
we
know
when
the
decision
will
be
made
as
to
who
is
the
the
winner.
H
K
G
No,
it
does
not.
What
comes
out
of
this
if
approved,
is,
is
the
mayor
will
be
asked
to
sign
a
certification
for
the
contribution.
C
So
pam,
let
me
just
clarify
one
last
time.
It
says
that
there
is
an
option
to
exercise
an
additional
year.
Is
that
to
push
it
to
a
three-year
term
from
two
or
are
we?
Are
they
taking
the
opportunity
to
an
extended
one
an
additional
year
and
it
was
their
option
exclusively.
J
That
option,
let
me
just
open
the
agreement
real
quickly.
That
option
was
already
exercised.
J
C
J
I
mean
it
as
amanda's
still
in
the
room
it
it.
It
occurred.
Actually,
I
believe,
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
I'm
trying
to
open
the
agreement.
Mr
fuino,
who
was
our
assistant
city
attorney,
is
apparently
not
in
the
room
either
I'll.
F
The
the
option
was
extended
in
may
of
this
year
because
at
that
time
the
the
cra
we
had,
the
the
I
had
the
authority
to
extend
it.
I
consulted
with
legal
consulted
with
the
city
manager,
but.
C
Well,
I'm
not
real
happy
about
that.
I
would
not
have
voted
to
extend
this.
I
didn't
like
the
project
when
it
was
brought
to
the
council
in
2019.
Frankly,
I
think
it's
the
wrong
place,
plus
we
have
an
opportunity
for
two
other
workforce
housing
projects
a
little
bit
further
east.
C
So
I
don't
know
why
we
would
have
given
authority
to
the
staff
to
renew
that
extra
year.
F
Sure
just
two
pieces
of
background
information:
we
did
have
a
letter
of
interest
out
on
this
site
for
over
six
months
and
the
only
response
we
received
was
to
create
a
non-profit
cultural
center
and
even
though
we
reached
out
looking
for
you,
know
breweries.
Other
commercial
uses
other
types
of
uses.
We
did
not
get
any
responses
for
that.
This
is
the
you
know,
60
to
80
percent
ami.
F
So
I
do
hear
your
concerns
and
understand
that,
but
part
of
what
drove
the
interest
in
this
project
was
that
it
was
a
chance
to
get
housing
and
the
only
interest
we
were
having
from
any
type
of
private
development
and
the
architectural
quality
and
design
meets
with
our
downtown
design
standards.
So
it
is
a
lottery.
F
J
This
required
no
further
cra
action.
Once
the
agreement
was
approved,
the
director
of
cra
was
authorized
to
exercise
that
extension,
so
no
further
action
was
required.
C
Okay,
well
going
forward
at
least
my
philosophy
would
be,
if
there's
an
extension,
I
want
to
come
back
to
the
council,
so
in
future
contracts.
If
we
have
something
similar
to
this,
that
would
be
my
desire.
I
don't
know
the
rest
of
the
council's
desire,
but
I'm
happy
to
look
at
something
again
for
an
extension,
because,
as
john
maynard
keynes,
the
wonderful
economist
said
as
the
facts
change.
I
retain
the
right
to
change
my
mind
and
under
these
circumstances
I
would
do
so.
C
E
E
Want
to
follow
up
on
what
you
just
said.
I
really
would
like
to
hear
the
council
reaffirm
your
expectation
as
a
as
as
trustees
so
we're
clear.
So
staff
is
clear
on
what
we're
expected
to
do.
A
N
Vice
mayor
yeah,
you
got
my
vote
on
that
because
thanks,
I
agree
things
change
yearly
and
you
know
when
this
first
came
to
us.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
interest
on
that
property.
I
think
we're
closer
to
having
things
make
a
major
change
in
our
downtown,
and
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
review
something
if
an
extension
is
involved.
H
I
I
think
what
the
city
manager
is
looking
at
us
for
is
you
know
we.
We
approve
a
lot
of
things
that
have
an
automatic
extension
for
you
know.
You
know
it's
a
one-year
deal
with
three
one-year
extensions
for
solid
waste
to
be
buying
something
or
a
contract
on
something
with
solid
waste.
I
don't
think
we're
asking
those
to
come
back
to
us.
E
D
E
K
You
know
I
I'd
say
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
I
would
also
say
I'm
not.
You
know,
I'm
not
fully
educated
on
the
nuance
of
affordable
housing
and
the
competitiveness
of
this
bid
process
through
the
state
for
these
limited
monies
and
if
a
developer,
like
blue
sky,
has
to
put
in
an
extensive
amount
of
time
to
apply
to
the
state
and
go
through
that.
You
know.
K
Perhaps
that
developer
wants
some
kind
of
an
insurance
that
all
that
work
and
effort
isn't
going
to
be
just
discarded
after
a
year,
because
you
know
it's
my
understanding
that
the
state,
only
you
know,
allocates
these
grants
or
whatever
for
about
one
project.
It's
it's.
They
don't
have
enough
funds
and-
and-
and
so
you
know,
I
can
see
where
things
change
and
we
don't
want
to
be
bound
by.
You
know
extended
contracts,
but
you
know,
I
think
that
there
are
probably
some
nuances
that
I'm
I'm
not.
K
You
know
aware
of
that
that
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
about
a
full
blanket
statement
today.
I'd
have
to
do
some
research,
but
you.
J
C
Does
give
the
trustees
the
responsibility
of
doing
the
extension
rather
than
staff
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I'm
happy
to
revisit
an
item
if
it
looks
probable
that
the
project
will
get
funding
or
that
it's
a
project
that
we're
in
full
support
of,
then
it
probably
will
get
re-upped,
but
I
at
least
want
to
have
it
come
across
my
desk
and
I
don't
think
that's
unreasonable
mistaken.
You
were
indicating
you
had
something
to
add.
J
Not
related
directly
to
this
agreement,
but
to
the
comment
that
mr
hearn
had
made,
we
do
have
an
additional
in
addition
to
purchasing
type
things.
We
also
have
lease
agreements
that
are
often
extended
or
have
an
additional
extension
in
the
agreement
that
do
not
come
back
to
you.
So
do
you,
we
can
ask
you
at
the
time
we
bring
those
forward
if
you
want
to
have
that
ultimate
authority,
but
it's
very
common
to
have
extensions
at
the
discretion
of
the
the
person
we
are
doing.
The
business
with.
A
C
C
J
C
C
E
I
Good
morning
brian
langell
assistant
director
for
clearwater
gas
system,
this
is
a
gas
utility
easement
for
us
to
serve
a
customer
in
largo
along
waltzingham
boulevard.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
E
Approve
an
easement
termination
and
release
with
tarpon
springs
housing
authority,
a
public
body,
corporate
and
politic
established
pursuant
of
chapter
421
of
the
florida
statutes
whose
principal
address
is
500.
South
walton
avenue
department
springs
florida.
Three,
four,
six,
eight
nine
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
saying
mr
langille
again.
I
It
was
a
61
unit,
townhome,
affordable
housing
project
back
in
the
80s,
and
the
new
project
is
not
going
gas,
so
we
have
already
cut
and
capped
our
gas
lines
that
go
into
that
area,
that
parcel
of
land
and
so
we're
requesting.
Now
that
you
terminate
this
agreement
because
the
developer
did
not
want
to
put
gas
in
the
new
development,
unfortunately,.
K
Yeah
I
just
I
was
wondering
what
is
your
understanding
of
why
this
development
didn't
want
to
have
gas
piped
into
the
new
construction.
I
My
understanding
it
is
you
know
the
upfront
cost,
even
with
rebates
that
we
provide
the
for
appliances.
They
were
just
not
interested
in
in
going
gas
and
on
this
one
project.
Sometimes
these
multi-family
projects
are
a
little
more
complex
and
and
where
you
put
the
meter
sets
and
the
piping.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
complicated
than
like
a
single
family
home,
so
the
planning
and
that,
unfortunately,
the
developer
just
was
not
wanting
to
put
gas
in
there.
Typically,
we
get
90
percent
of
new
developments.
I
We
have
most
of
our
subdivisions
that
we
have
up
in
pasco.
County
are
all
gas
communities.
We
have
approximately
four
or
five
communities
right
now
that
we're
adding
lines
in
so
yeah.
We
get
most
of
our
communities
on
on
gas.
D
D
Q
Good
morning,
sir,
and
good
morning
to
the
mayor
and
council,
as
was
read,
this
is
the
authorization
to
award
the
bid
to
zone
five
for
landscaping,
services
for
parks
and
recreation.
Mr
horne
has
asked
me
to
give
you
a
little
background
information
as
to
how
that
bid
process
works,
especially
as
a
as
it
involves
a
low
bid.
Q
Q
Q
These
are
the
things
that
we
do
to
ensure
that
the
contractor
is
actually
able
to
do
the
work
that
they're
applying
to
do,
for
example,
reference
checks
and
past
performance.
Do
they
have
ample
staff
to
handle
the
requested
contract
proximity
to
the
area
which
is
going
to
be
maintained,
experience
and
required
equipment?
Q
The
last
thing
that's
actually
considered
in
any
bid
process
is
the
price.
Is
the
price,
fair
and
reasonable?
While
bids
are
price
driven?
We
do
our
best
to
ensure
that
there's
not
any
outlier
pricing
and
that
pricing
is
in
line
with
department
estimate
and
market
standards
that
do
you
have
any
questions.
C
I
have
a
couple
quick
ones:
brian,
what
are
the
boundaries
for
zone
five.
Q
That
would
be
the
north.
Just
the
north
west
section
of
the
maitland.
Q
C
Q
Well,
that
would
depend
sir
really.
The
reality
of
the
situation
is.
It
depends
on
the
cut
schedule.
It
depends
on
the
areas
you
know.
For
example,
if
you
remember,
the
old
city
hall
was
a
contracted
site,
so
the
old
city
hall
building
had
a
much
higher
cut
schedule
than
say
a
just
a
green
park
entity
out,
if
you
will
so
depending
on
the
cut
schedule,
it's
going
to
change.
Q
So
we
try
to
balance
the
zones
both
geographically
and
also
by
the
level
of
service,
the
number
of
actual
areas
that
have
to
be
cut
to
try
to
keep
it
as
equal
if
you
will
as
possible.
So
in
other
words,
theoretically,
you
could
have
a
zone
that
might
might
have
only
50
sites,
but
the
level
of
maintenance
ends
up
becoming
comparable
to
another
area
that
might
have
150,
because
the
schedule
and
the
service
level
would
vary.
Q
Well,
the
95
000
is
specific
to
this
particular
zone,
so
that
cost
factor-
and
I
can
pull
it
up
here
for
you
here
in
just
one
second-
it
actually
varies
from
zone
to
zone
and
again.
The
reason
for
that
depends
upon
the
areas
that
are
being
being
covered,
so
there
is
going
to
be
some
variance
in
the
cost,
because
it's
it's
they're,
not
all
the
same.
Q
I
guess
for
the
lack
of
a
better
word,
they're
going
to
be
different
because
of
the
service
level
that
goes
into
doing
it
and
then
the
fi
the
actual
bid
process.
All
of
those
sites
are
laid
out
for
the
individual
contractors
that
are
going
to
bid
to
look
at
so
they
go
out.
We've
got
aerials,
we've
got
the
level
of
expectation
for
remains
for
maintenance,
and
then
those
contractors
review
that
they
actually
go
out
into
the
field.
They
look
at
the
sites
and
that's
how
they
they
basically
provide
their
bid.
C
Q
C
I'd
love
to
have
a
number
on
what
all
of
those
contracted
sites
cost,
just
a
total
number:
okay,
absolutely!
Okay,
any
other
questions,
consent.
E
C
We've
gone
through
over
the
years,
you
know
bringing
things
inside,
because
the
quality
and
the
consistency
wasn't
there,
but
then
there's
additional
cost.
And
then
you
know
we
get
a
little
bit
tight.
We
start
to
outsource
again,
and
so
it
goes
through
cycles,
but
I'm
just
curious
what
the
number
is,
because
I
think
folks
don't
understand
the
magnitude
of
what
we
spend
to
maintain
public
lands.
Vice
mayor.
N
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
comment
exactly
that
that
nothing's,
free
everything,
has
a
cost
and
we
have
many
many
beautiful
parks
in
clearwater,
but
there's
a
cost
associated
to
each
one
of
them,
and
I
know
that
parks
and
direct
take
care
of
the
causeway
a
lot
of
the
all
over.
We.
We
have
a
beautiful
city
in
it,
but
it
costs
money
to
maintain
it.
So
to
your
point,
most
people
don't
understand
that.
There's
a
cost.
B
This
financial
assistance
agreement
between
fdle
and
the
city
of
clearwater
will
facilitate
the
reimbursement
of
certain
expenses,
those
being
overtime,
expenses,
training
expenses
and
even
some
ancillary
expenses
like
fuel
vehicle
fuel,
etc.
B
B
E
R
Good
morning
robert
burzak
real
estate
services
coordinator,
the
property
owner,
requested
the
city
vacated
a
10-foot
platted
utility
event
to
allow
construction
of
a
loading
dock
on
their
property.
New
utilities
are
located
within
the
easement
city
staff,
have
reviewed
the
vacation
request
and
have
no
objections.
Questions.
C
E
R
C
Any
questions
I
just
want
to
point
something
out
at
this
site.
I
was
out
there
this
past
friday
to
talk
to
one
of
the
vendors
and
pelican
walk
and
this
property.
Specifically,
I
parked
near
it
and
it
is
a
mess.
The
amount
of
trash
that's
out.
C
There
is
unacceptable,
and
I
really
expect
the
you
know
the
property
owner
to
at
least
get
out
there
and
look
at
some
of
this,
and
you
know
I
talked
to
one
of
the
other
tenants
close
to
them
and
they
said
there's
people
here
every
day,
so
there's
no
reason
why
they
can't
keep
their
portion
of
the
sidewalk
and
other
things
clean.
But
as
we
talk
to
these
folks,
I
just
would
like
to
point
that
one
out.
E
Award
a
construction
contract
to
steve's
excavating
and
paving
into
florida
for
the
2021
under
drain
project,
via
an
invitation
to
bid
20.0028
in
the
annual
amount
of
300
000
for
an
initial
term,
with
an
option
to
renew
for
three
additional
one-year
renewal
terms
on
a
unit
price
basis
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute.
Say.
Mr
johnson.
S
Good
morning,
marion
council,
roger
johnson
engineering
manager
at
the
august
31st
work
session,
I
gave
a
brief
overview
of
the
city's
stormwater
group
presented
two
of
our
maintenance
contracts
under
the
same
narrative
today
I'll
be
presenting
on
two
additional
maintenance
contracts,
the
first
of
which
is
our
under
drain.
Contract
under
drains
are
installed
in
many
locations
throughout
the
city.
To
draw
down
the
water
table
adjacent
to
our
roadways.
S
K
We
have
just
really
a
comment
about
this
one
if
we
click
on
the
bid
tab.
I
think
that
this
is
fantastic.
K
One
of
the
things
I
brought
up
at
at
a
previous
meeting
is
some
consistency
in
when
we
look
at
bids
to
award
contracts
throughout
all
departments,
and
this
one
is
really
nice,
because
we
have
the
name
of
the
business
as
well
as
I'm
assuming
the
ceo
or
the
owner
and
then
the
address,
and
I
I
think
this
is
fantastic.
K
You
know
it's
not
a
secret
that
I'd
like
to
push
for
a
little
more
diversity
in
multiple
ways
throughout
city
operations
and
representation,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
could
have
this
type
of
documentation
for
bids
and
also
would
there
be
a
possibility
to
have
a
little
box
that
we
could
check
if
this
was
a
female
or
minority
owned
business.
Just
for
transparency,
I
know
we're
not.
K
You
know
waiting
it
at
all
right
now,
but
I
just
I
like
that,
but
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
I
think
is
from
engineering
as
well-
we
don't
have
all
that,
so
I
just
I
thought
this
was
a
fantastic
example
of
what
we
could
look
at
as
far
as
contracts.
E
Well,
my
response
to
that
is
I'll
talk
to
the
city
attorney
to
make
sure
that
our
documentation
is
appropriate
and
doesn't
get
us
into
any
trouble
by
by
doing
that
and
we'll
get
back
to
you.
E
H
I
I
understand
what
councilman
beckman
is
asking
and
saying,
however,
as
I'm
looking
at
this
bid
tab,
there's
no
delineation
on
the
name.
That's
associated!
Is
that
the
ceo
or
is
it
just
the
point
of
contact?
There's?
No,
it
doesn't
say
ceo
is
this
person
or
owner
that's
just
the
person
that
could
be
just
the
contact
person
of
the
of
the
the
company.
So
you
know
that's
yeah.
K
Yeah,
I
agree
and
I
don't
and
and
to
be
honest
in
previous.
You
know:
council
sessions,
I've
gone
through
all
the
contracts
and
looked
up
ceos
and
done
that
and
it's
pretty
tedious
and
time
consuming
for
me.
So
it
would
be
nice
if,
if
we
knew
that
that
name
that
was
listed,
there
was
not
a
contact,
but
was
you
know
the
the
ceo
because
it
doesn't
matter
to
me
who
the
contact
is
necessarily.
C
What
do
you
plan
to
do
with
that
information,
council,
member
beckman.
K
I
I
just
I
want
to
see
more
minority
and
female-owned
businesses
have
an
opportunity
to
compete,
and
if
there
are
ways
we
can
make
it
easier
for
them
to
compete,
as
in
you
know,
if
it's
a
communication
problem
or
whatever,
I
think
we
need
a
baseline
of
what
we're
dealing
with
right
now,
I'm
just
assuming
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
minority
or
female
owned
businesses
that
do
contracts
with
us.
I
don't
have
any
data
on
that,
so
this
is
a
way
just
to
get
a
snapshot
picture
of
it.
C
K
E
Sorry,
all
right,
because.
K
D
G
K
N
I
mean
everybody
whether
whether
they
are
female
owners
and
we
used
to
have
a
female
owner
council
member
of
a
business,
and
but
if
you
start
putting
those
things
in-
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
it
seems
like
it's
a
simple
idea,
but
then
is
that
going
to?
Is
that
going
to
show
that
it's
a
weighted
process
that
we're
giving
more
priority
even
with
cost?
I
mean
it's
open
now
to
everybody
and
that's
the
way
it
should
be.
N
C
C
First
of
all,
we
make
it
a
level
playing
field
for
anybody
who
wants
to
bid
on
a
project.
That
is,
I
mean
talking
about
transparency.
That
is
the
process.
We
make
it
a
level
playing
field
and
whoever
wins
on
that
playing
field
gets
the
contract.
C
The
question
is,
I
mean,
let's
just
get
down
to
brass
tacks.
The
question
is,
do
you
want
to
add
points
so
then,
in
a
thai
situation,
it
goes
to
a
minority
or
a
female.
D
J
Two
points:
I
believe
that
we
do
collect
that
information
or
that
purchasing
collects
that
information.
It's
just
not
put
on
a
tally
sheet
because
it
really
isn't
relevant
to
the
waiting
or
to
the
award.
But
I
believe
my
understanding
is
that
we
do
collect
that
information
or
have
it
on
the
application.
L
I
was
wondering
if
we
had
any
type
of
ballpark
guess
on
on
the
percentage
of
minority
and
female
lead
companies,
since
we've
collected
that
info.
A
K
Beckman
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
a
statement
about
using
the
phrase
we
have
a
level
playing
field.
It
might
be,
you
know,
considered
a
level
playing
field
today,
but
it
certainly
hasn't
been
for
decades,
and
so
you
know,
caucasian
people
have
a
ginormous
head
start
as
far
as
competing,
and
so
the
idea
that
there
is
a
level
playing
field
with
everyone,
not
you
know,
based
on
the
color
of
their
skin.
I
think
is
not
correct.
H
H
It
really
comes
down
to
two
things:
number
one
cost
and
number
two:
does
the
company
truly
have
the
experience
and
the
ability
to
deliver
the
product?
That's
the
only
two
things
that
matter:
it
doesn't
matter
it.
It
makes
no
difference
to
me
if
it's
a
minority-owned
business,
a
woman-owned
business
or
owned
by
a
white
caucasian
male.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it's
about
what
it's
costing
our
taxpayers
and
what
how
we're
spending
the
taxpayers
money
and
is
that
company
capable
of
delivering
the
the
final
product
as
we
expect
it
to
be
delivered
period?
E
Well,
I
mean
we
are
following
our
rules
and
our
rules
place,
cost
and
performance.
Those
are
the
two
most
important
criteria
and
that's
what
we
have
consistently
used
since
I've
been
here.
We
have
not
gotten
into
a
social
evaluation
of
other
factors
that
might
influence.
You
know,
ultimately
the
decision
that
we
make.
So
that's
why
I
think,
as
pam
said
and
mayor,
you
said
there
is
time
for
the
council
to
discuss
how
you
all
want
to
address
those
kinds
of
matters
as
it
relates
to
the
the
the
issue
of
leveling,
the
playing
field.
O
C
E
E
Group
inca
riviera
beach
florida
for
the
2021
stormwater
pipelining
annual
maintenance,
via
invitation
to
bid
in
the
yearly
amount
of
1
million
for
an
initial
one-year
term,
with
an
option
to
renew
for
three
additional
one-year
renewal
terms
on
a
unit
price
basis
and
authorize
the
appropriate
issues.
To
execute
same
mr
johnson
again,.
S
Roger
johnson
engineering
manager
as
part
of
our
stormwater
maintenance
procedures,
pipes
in
need
of
repair
and
replacement
are
identified.
Many
of
these
pipes
are
located
near
structures,
buildings,
roads,
trees
or
other
things
that
make
it
difficult
to
get
in
there
and
do
some
repairs
or
replacement.
S
Pipelining
is
frequently
a
better
option
due
to
its
non-invasive
nature
and
it's
very
cost
effective.
Typically,
a
pipe
can
be
lined
in
about
a
week
with
minimal
impacts
to
the
shrouding
neighborhood.
The
item
presented
today
provides
annual
construction
phase
services
for
lining
of
stormwater
pipes
throughout
the
city.
Happy
answering
your
questions.
S
Oh
well,
it
depends
on
the
size
of
the
pipe.
We
go
anywhere
from
15
inch
pipes,
all
the
way
to
60
inch
pipes.
So
it's
it's
really
dependent
on
what's
identified.
As
far
as
the
need.
Okay,.
N
Well,
I'm
just
going
to
come
out
and
ask
you:
island
estates
has
a
real
pothole
problem
on
island
way
and
for
years,
and
it's
been
attributed
to
storm
water
pipes.
The
joints
leaking
is
this:
would
that
be
an
appropriate
thing
for
that
job
to
line
those
pipes,
instead
of
digging
them
up.
S
D
E
Has
been
there
a
long
time
and
so
that
infrastructure
is
old
and,
and
so
I
think
it
does
bear
us
why
you
know
evaluating
how
do
we
keep
that
infrastructure
healthy?
This
may
be
one
of
the
ways
we
can
do
it.
D
O
S
D
S
A
D
C
Yes,
authorize.
E
A
purchase
order
to
american
lighting
and
signalization
for
streetlight
maintenance
and
repairs
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
100
000
for
the
period
october,
1
2020
through
august,
2nd
2021
pursuant
to
clearwater
code
of
ordinances,
section
2.5641b,
other
government
entities
contracts
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
site.
Mr
burkheld.
P
Overtells
traffic
operations
manager,
this
purchase
order
is
to
help
us
maintain
the
state-owned
street
lighting,
primarily
on
u.s
19,
where
there
are
many
logistical
problems
to
deal
with,
that
we
don't
have
the
equipment
and
so
forth.
We
have
about
425
lights
on
that
stretch,
the
expressway,
particularly
so,
if
you
have
any
questions.
H
Yeah
paul
the
two
questions,
one,
the
august
second
cut:
the
contract
is
for
like
10
months,
not
for
12.
and
yeah
august.
2Nd
2021
is
kind
of
an
odd
ending
date
for
the
contract.
I'm
wondering
what
that
is
and
question
number
two
is:
when
is
osceola
and
drew
gonna
become
a
four-way
stop.
H
P
H
P
And
as
far
as
the
other
subject,
good
question,
I'm
looking
at
it.
K
My
question
was
similar
to
council
member
hamilton's.
Is
that
if
we're
piggybacking,
is
this
an
annual
expense?
And
if
so,
why
are
we
late
in
piggybacking.
P
Well,
this
contract
expires
every
year
and
we
look
at
contracts
every
year
to
try
to
find
an
organization
that
we
can
piggyback.
On
the
last
time
it
was
hillsborough
county
this
time
it's
d.o.t,
it
just
depends
on
who
has
contracts
to
do.
This
kind
of
work
is
very
specialized
work
because
you've
got
the
tower
lights
on
us
19,
which
are
about
150
200
feet
tall
that
we
don't
have
any
way
of
dealing
with
and
that's
what
they
help
us
with.
K
D
T
O
A
U
Thank
you
good
morning,
council.
We
have
already
gone
through
the
general
scope
of
the
library
in
a
special
presentation
I
gave
about
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
just
to
recap:
we're
relocating
the
main
entry
building,
a
new
grand
staircase
installing
a
new
art
gallery
system,
completely
updating
the
entire
first
floor
circulation
area,
including
the
desk
shelving
furniture,
installing
small,
medium
and
large
working
spaces.
U
I
mean
like
group
working
spaces
and,
of
course,
updating,
council
chambers,
council
chambers
will
remain
open
for
all
already
scheduled
meetings
through
the
working
period,
in
addition
to
remaining
open
to
the
public
for
the
november
3rd
presidential
election.
Otherwise
it
will
be
closed
to
the
public
and
we
closed
the
library
to
the
public.
Generally,
this
past
friday,
after
business
hours,
closed
demolition
is
expected
to
begin
at
the
end
of
october,
pending
all
permitting
processes.
U
If
that
goes
smoothly,
the
library
staff
and
building
and
maintenance
staff
have
been
very
helpful
in
preparing
to
get
everything
ready
for
skanska's
arrivals.
I'd
like
to
thank
them
and
the
reopening
date
to
the
public
is
not
yet
known,
as
the
adjacent
parking
areas
may
be
critical
to
supporting
the
work.
Taking
place
in
the
park
site,
so
we
are
working
on
coordinating
that
with
skanska
and
as
soon
as
we
know,
an
exact
date
that
we
can
promise
to
the
public.
We'll
provide
that
to
you
outside
of
that.
N
N
U
So
the
the
last
estimate
that
we
provided
you,
I
believe
it
was
in
april,
and
that
was
showed-
that
you
could
save
five
million
dollars
by
eliminating
the
fifth
floor
event
space
that
was
wildly
more
expensive
than
we
had
expected
it
to
be
due
to
the
nature
of
the
existing
conditions,
not
fully
being
well
understood
when
we
undertook
this
endeavor
after
we
removed
that
the
pricing
has
remained
consistent
to
the
estimate
that
we
received
and
that
estimate
was
direct
cost
only
so
in
april
we
showed
that
if
you
get
rid
of
the
fifth
floor
event,
space,
the
direct
cost
of
work
came
to
about
4.4
million,
and
if
you
look
at
the
breakout
on
this
estimate
or
I'm
sorry,
this
guaranteed
maximum
price-
that's
very,
very
close
to
what
we
actually
came
up
with,
so
that
price
didn't
include
things
like
insurance,
bonding
general
conditions,
that
kind
of
kind
of
thing
so
yeah.
U
We
are
we're
very
happy
with
how
this
estimate
came
out
and
when
we
presented
last
time.
Unfortunately,
those
things
couldn't
be
known,
but
the
direct
cost
of
work
has
remained
consistent.
K
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
about
cost
as
well
sort
of
similar
to
council
and
because
this
particular
project
was
not
included
in
the
55
million
dollar
project.
So
we'd
have
to
find
some
source
of
internal
financing
to
fund
those
renovations
over
4
million
dollars.
So
we
eliminated
the
rooftop
renovations
and
the
external
elevator
to
the
rooftop.
But
it
doesn't
to
me
you
know
it
doesn't
seem
that
those
savings
are
reflected
in
the
6.4
million
number
presented
today
and
in
a
september
10th
article.
K
So
just
earlier
this
month
of
this
year,
the
reporter
stated
that
in
june,
the
city
council
shaved
five
million
dollars
off
the
top
of
the
project
by
eliminating
the
extensive
rooftop
renovations
and
in
that
article
of
september
10th
he
says
now
the
estimated
guaranteed
maximum
price
to
do
the
work
stands
at
5.9
million.
But
today,
if
so,
if
we
shaved
5
million
off
the
top
of
the
project
by
eliminating
that
rooftop,
what
was
the
you
know?
K
Potential
cost
over
11
million
dollars
because
I
never
heard
11
million
dollars
for
the
library
renovation,
and
so
now
we've
gone
from
the
september
10th
reporting
of
5.9
million
to
6.54
million
at
the
end
of
the
month,
and-
and
I
know
you
know-
you
just
explained
that
it
includes
you-
know
all
that
pre-work-
that
you
have
to
do
the
pulling
of
permits
and
all
that
business
and
and
the
inside
interior
all
of
the
furnishings
and
things
is
that
correct.
U
That's
correct:
I'm
going
to
try
to
address
all
the
things
you
you
brought
up.
So
if
I
missed
one
I'd
be
happy
to
circle
back.
I
fully
understand
that
it
appears
that
you
know
eight
minus
six
equals
six.
What
we
had
presented
in
april,
which
is
our
our
best
estimate
up
until
this
point,
showed
that
our
total
cost.
I
have
the
the
sheet
here.
Our
total
direct
cost
of
work,
including
that
five
million
dollar
fifth
floor
event.
Space
came
to
8.8
million,
and
I
want
to
clarify
that's
total
direct
cost
of
work.
U
That's
not
any
of
the
insurances,
the
profit
overhead,
anything
like
that
included
with
it.
So
when
we
took
the
the
five
million
dollars
off
of
that
that
left
remaining
4.4
million
dollars
worth
of
direct
cost
in
the
library.
So
what
ended
up
happening
was
that
we
we
and
our
architect
did
not
have
a
good
idea
of
what
that
fifth
floor
event.
Space
would
actually
cost.
We
didn't
know
that
until
skanska
came
in
in
december,
so
the
first
number
that
you
cited,
I
believe,
was
from
june
of
last
year-
is
that
correct?
U
That
was
six
months
prior
to
us,
having
access
to
their
incredible
wealth
of
knowledge
and
all
the
tools
that
they've
provided
us
to
show
us
what
it
would
actually
take.
The
as
built
drawings
for
the
existing
library
are
completely
inaccurate
in
terms
of
what
it
would
have
taken
to
put
that
fl
that
event
space
up
there
and
the
elevator
to
it.
So
that's
why
we
decided,
with
your
you
know,
approval
to
remove
that
space,
so
the
direct
cost
of
all
the
remaining
work
remains
accurate.
It's
unfortunate!
U
We
couldn't
include
that
in
our
budget.
As
for
any
comments
from
finance,
I
believe
that
we've
been
told
for
quite
some
time
that
this
work
was
coming
out
of
the
overall
imagine
clearwater
budget.
So
I
can't
speak
for
that.
I
know
that
we
are
accounting
for
that
in
the
overall
cost
of
the
the
total
imagine
clear
water
bubble
have
have.
I
missed
anything.
K
No,
I
think
we're
we're
good,
which,
which
entity
what
you
said
there
were
drawings
that
were
completely
inaccurate.
U
U
The
accuracy
is
kind
of
you
know
a
running
joke
in
the
industry,
and
this
was
one
of
the
most
egregious
cases
that
I
have
seen
where
the
as
built
drawings
absolutely
did
not
reflect
what
had
been
installed,
in
particular
where
we
had
wanted
to
install
the
elevator
shaft
on
the
east
side
of
the
library
going
up
to
the
fifth
floor
event:
space,
the
drawings
showed
nothing
but
clear
space
between
the
seal,
the
drop
ceiling
and
the
next
floor
and
on
all
the
way
up,
four
levels
to
get
where
we
needed
to
go.
U
U
All
these
kinds
of
things
in
that
exact
space,
where
our
as
built
drawings,
showed
that
there
was
nothing,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
can
happen
like
I
said
this
is
the
most
egregious
case
that
I
have
seen
where
you
know
something
went
completely
different
in
construction
and
now
we're
nearly
20
years
later,
and
you
don't
get
to
go,
you
know,
do
anything
about
it.
You
just
have
to
accept
it
as
it
is.
The
estimates
early
on
had
no
idea
that
this
was
the
case
and,
of
course,
the
cost
of
re-repeating.
C
C
C
I
know
there's
some
connections
from
the
library
to
the
park,
but
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
misrepresentation.
I
think
it
ought
to
be
standalone
and
I'm
not
real.
I'm
on
the
cusp.
C
I
just
think
it's
a
lot
of
money
to
spend
in
redoing
the
library,
but
it's
something
that
was
started
well
before
getting
on.
C
H
I
mean
I
I'm
okay
with
consent,
but
you're
right,
it's
been
a
the
the
the
number
has
been
a
moving
target
and
I
guess
this
is
the
one
time
this
is
the
first
time
we're
locking
it
in,
but
you
know
it's
a
little
higher
than
I
expected
it
to
be
in
the
in
the
final
watch.
That's
for
sure.
N
I'd
like
to
take
this
off
consent,
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
it
again
at
the
council
meeting.
It's
I
mean
I
think
everybody
that's
looking
at
the
numbers
need
they.
You
know
we
need
to
have
explanation
and
you're
doing
a
we've
had
a
very
good
job
of
explaining
it
today.
I
think
we
need
the
public
to
hear
that
as
well
on
thursday.
H
I
will
not
be
at
the
meeting
thursday
night,
but
I
have
complete
faith
that
the
four
remain
the
u4
remaining
at.
That
meeting
will
definitely
make
the
right
decision.
H
I
my
vote
would
be
to
move
forward
because
this
project
that
needs
to
get
done,
but
hopefully
in
the
discussion
thursday
night,
we
may
be
able
to
find
a
you
all
may
find
a
way
to
bring
that
number
down
a
little
bit.
C
Well,
I
think,
if
there's
a
desire
to
bring
the
number
down,
that's
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
now
what
we
would
even
look
at
so
that
you
have
continuity
in
the
project,
but
you
know
it's
question
of
what
you
would
eliminate
to
bring
the
number
down
and
how
much
you
want
to
bring
the
number.
What
is
the
number
you
know
that
everyone's
willing
to
expend
I
mean
this
is
close
to
a
number
that
we
would
it's
not
quite
that
high,
but
a
new
library
could
be
built
for
what
we're
what
we're
spending
here.
D
N
You
know
I
was
impressed
with
skanska
on
the
magic
clearwater
site.
They
came
in
and
said
that
you
know
that
they
thought
they
could
bring
something
a
project
in
less
because
of
their
knowledge,
and
so
I
I
imagine
they've
already
looked
at
the
library.
This
is.
This
is
pretty
much
a
not
to
exceed
number,
but
I
mean
was
there
was
their
estimate?
U
U
She's
been
on
maternity
leave
until
last
week,
and
so
she
was
not
able
to
complete
her
work
with
us,
we'll
be
picking
that
up.
We've
already
had
another
meeting
with
her
since
she's
returned,
but
skanska
came
to
me
and
they
said
this.
This
furniture
number
is
very
high
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
talk
to
her
about
alternatives
to
anything.
That's
already
been
at
a
high
level
specified.
U
They
believe
that
that
number,
which
I
believe
is
in
the
neighborhood
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
is
well
padded
and
so
that
number
certainly
they're
very
confident
they
have
given
me
some
examples
of
other
projects,
they've
completed
that
had
interior
work
and
full
redo
of
all
the
furnishings
they've.
U
Given
me
examples
of
similar
size
like
office
buildings
and
things
like
that,
and
they
believe
that
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
savings
and
now
that
we
have
that
team
member
back
on
board
in
the
office
full
time,
they're,
confident
that
that's
a
number
that
we
will
not
be
spending
that
full
amount-
and
I
don't
want
to
make
any
promises
about
what
percentage
will
be
reducing
that.
But
I'm
expecting
a
good
amount
of
savings
on
that.
And,
of
course
you
know
what
is
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
six
and
a
half
million.
U
However,
that's
that's
one
area
that
I
believe
that
we
will
be
able
to
do
much
better
on
than
is
reflected
here
I
gave
them.
The
instruction
include
the
maximum
possible
that
we
would
need.
You
know
if
we
made
no
changes,
because
you
know
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
guaranteed
maximum,
so
that
is
the
guaranteed
maximum
and
we'll
be
working
to
reduce
that.
C
Well,
this
also
does
not
include
the
appliances
in
the
kitchen,
so
that's
going
to
be,
in
addition
to
that's
not
included
in
the
ffme.
Is
it.
U
L
D
L
Commit
to
see
what
yeah,
what
savings
we
can
find.
E
Mayor
can
I
comment
you,
may
I
you
all
are
making
me
very
nervous
about
this.
You
know,
skanska
has
a
reputation
and
skansa
has
shared
their
perspective.
On
being
able
to,
you
know
improve,
you
know
the
cost
of
this
project,
so
I
I
don't
want
anyone
to
get
the
impression
that
somehow
askanska
are
magicians,
but
they
really
know
what
they're
doing,
and
we
believe
that
what
has
been
explained
this
morning
really
reflects
you
know.
E
It
sounds
like
we're
going
back
to
the
well
again,
if
you
all
decide
not
to
go
forward
so
then,
now
as
mayor
as
you
indicated,
so
now
we're
so
where
do
we
go
from
there,
and
I
I
just
I'm
worried.
R
Thank
you,
robert
burzak,
real
estate
services
coordinator,
the
proposed
easement
will
provide
duke
energy
with
the
property
rights
to
construct
and
maintain
its
electric
equipment
within
the
easement
to
serve
the
new
rough
streams
at
the
seminole
boat
ramp.
The
city
engineering
department
recommends
acceptance
of
the
easement.
K
V
M
T
Morning,
mr
mayor
council,
javon
graham
division
chief
emergency
management,
as
we
share
with
council
during
meetings.
The
continuity
of
operations
plan
is
designed
to
ensure
that
an
organization
can
continue
performance
of
essential
functions
under
a
broad
range
of
either
natural
made
occurrences.
A
coup
plan
goes
hand
in
hand
with
our
city's
emergency
operation
plans
to
solidify
our
infrastructure
and
ensure
that
we
are
faced
with
an
event.
We
will
have
limited
downtime
and
quicker
recovery.
T
The
agenda
item
before
you
today
allows
city
manager
to
facilitate
and
enter
an
agreement
with
iem
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
allows
iem
to
develop
an
updated
and
functional
coup
plan
for
the
city
of
clearwater.
This
process
is
divided
into
two
phases
and
will
take
approximately
a
year
and
a
half
to
complete.
T
First
phase
is
the
development
phase
and
we
could
be
completed
by
october
21.
The
second
phase
will
be
completed
by
january
2022
and
it's
the
training
phase,
which
incorporates
tabletop
exercise
and
allows
us
to
practice
and
drill
on
the
completed
plan
and
test
our
system
to
its
fullest.
With
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
N
Oh
yeah,
john.
What,
when
was
the
last
time
we
had
a
coup,
was
that
2008
2006.
N
X
Thank
you,
mr
horn.
Good
morning,
mayor
council,
I'm
linda
rosty,
an
assistant
library
director,
due
to
the
renovation,
the
clearwater
public
library
system
is
reducing
its
physical
collection
here
at
the
main
library
and
we
seek
permission
to
donate
these
materials
to
a
selection
of
local
charities.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
Some
first
off
pam
because
some
of
these
materials
are
potentially
going
to
the
salvation
army.
Do
I
need
to
recuse
myself
because
my
wife
is
an
employee.
There.
C
Okay,
so
we'll
take
it
off
consent.
Yes,
other
questions.
C
Mr
austin,
you
know
you
say
we're
donating
these
to
charities
because
of
the
renovation
of
the
library.
Will
we
be
replacing
any
of
them
repurchasing
them
once
the
library
reopens
or
have?
Has
it
been
determined?
We
don't
need
these
books.
X
Correct,
we
don't
need
we're,
reducing
the
collection
that
we
hold
here
by
about
20
percent
and
that's
due
mostly
to
the
new
configuration
of
the
shelves
on
the
first
floor
and
the
grand
staircase
on
the
second
and
third
floor.
So
we
will
not
have
room
for
those
materials
and
we
will
not
be
replaced.
However,
the
monies
that
normally
would
go
to
those
materials
will
be
going
to
electronic
materials,
which
has
seen
a
surge
since
the
lockdown
in
march
and
our
patrons
are
using
our
electronic
materials
a
lot
more
now.
A
X
A
C
A
X
No,
we
will
be
reducing
the
materials
that
we
keep
here
at
the
library
at
the
main
library,
by
about
20
percent.
C
N
Vice
mayor
yeah,
my
question
was:
are
any
other
things?
Besides
books,
I
mean
we
have
all
kinds
of
assorted
things
that
we,
you
know
we
let
people
borrow
tools
and,
in
the
fourth
floor,
with
all
the
machines
for
putting
digital
media
on
it's
just
gonna
be
books.
X
It's
primarily
books,
but
we're
also
reducing
our
collection
of
dvds,
music,
cds
and
audiobooks
on
the
first
floor.
But
we
will
not
be
decreasing
our
collection
of
tools,
objects
and,
during
the
renovation
we'll
be
moving
part
of
our
collection
from
the
fourth
floor
to
our
countryside,
library,
so
that
patients
will
continue
to
have
access
to
those
machines.
N
A
O
V
Good
morning,
this
item
is
the
first
amendment
to
an
existing
hotel
density
reserve
development
agreement
to
provide
a
one-year
extension
to
the
deadline
by
which
they
must
obtain
site
plan
approval.
V
C
H
E
An
increase
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
purchase
order,
nine
zero,
zero,
seven,
zero,
nine
to
gsa,
security
for
the
purchase,
installation,
maintenance
and
repairs
of
security
cameras
for
a
revised
total
of
one
million
dollars
with
a
three-year
term
expiring.
On
june
24
2022
pursuant
to
clear
article
to
ordinances,
section
2.5641
e
exceptions
forbid
other
government
into
these
bid
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
site.
Mr
mayor.
Y
Mayor
council
members,
dan
mayer,
I.t
director,
this
has
been
a
fast-paced
area
of
work
for
us.
We
have
used
gsa,
they're
certified
in
our
console
system
and
have
performed
very
good
work.
Over
the
last
two
years,
we've
had
a
number
of
projects
come
up
that
were
not
anticipated
when
we
originally
approved
this
contract
last
year,
and
the
pace
of
installation
for
some
of
these
new
projects
is,
is
a
little
bit
quicker,
so
we're
asking
for
this
increase
for
the
next
two
years.
C
Y
Okay,
they
range
from
well.
We
started
adding
cameras
about
10
years
ago
and
they
were
predominantly
on
some
of
our
public
utility
sites.
Y
We
turned
the
corner
with
the
technology
and
we
used
them
when
we
had
property
issues
at
the
airpark.
We
had
them
at
gas
when
they
became
more
ip
and
more
viable,
and
we
rolled
out
our
own
fibers.
So
we
could
carry
the
bandwidth
required.
They
became
a
very
effective
way
of
monitoring
everything
from
parking
lots.
Y
Y
Y
We
have
the
real-time
crime
center
and
this
will
add
a
significant
number
of
cameras
over
the
next
two
years.
This
is
probably
our
largest
anticipated
expansion.
In
addition
to
new
facilities,
the
transfer
station
came
online.
We
added
over
10
cameras
there,
the
new
eoc
and
training
facility
out
at
station
48
the
air
park
had
to
be
upgraded
because
those
cameras
were
now
10
years
old
and
needed
new
new
installations.
Y
We've
added
new
cameras
down
in
the
beach
technically
as
part
of
the
real-time
crime
center,
but
is
also
part
of
our
just
enhanced
observation
of
activities
down
there.
It's
a
very
activity,
intensive
location,
obviously
so
those
are,
those
are
the
big
ones
station
square,
we
added
more
cameras
and
in
the
future
you
know
imagine
we'll
probably
result
in
somewhere
between
40
and
50
cameras
for
that
facility.
Y
Y
Y
It's
a
non-confrontational
way
of
monitoring
and,
in
some
cases
supporting
evidence
for
for
for
issues.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
police
chief,
he's
very
conversant
and
was
very
logical
and
measured
in
his
proposal
for
the
real-time
crime
center
and
what
that
will
bring,
but
there's
a
large
number
of
analytics
that
are
also
used
for
our
response
and
public
safety.
So
that's
in.
N
Mayor
yeah
dan,
are
these
high-resolution
hd
cameras
I
mean:
are
they
able
to
do
like
facial
recognition.
Y
They
can
we
do
not
use
that
analytic
at
this
point,
but
we
do
use
a
criteria
for
the
quality
of
the
picture
that
would
be
sufficient
for
court
there's
easily
the
number
of
frames
that
it
creates.
The
number
of
individual
pictures
in
a
in
a
second
has
a
certain
rate
for
us
to
use
in
court
as
evidence.
So
we
we
hit
all
those
minimums
in
terms
of
revolution,
resolution
and
frame
rate.
So
that's
that's
part
of
it.
Yeah
we're
not
we're
not
buying
consumer
grade
cameras
in
many
instances.
N
N
Center
is
using
a
lot
of
the
cameras
to
monitor
traffic
and
maybe
read
license
plates.
That
kind
of
thing
you
know
after
a
crime
was
made,
they
can
go
back
and
that'll
help
probably
solve
a
lot
of
crimes
around.
So
we
also,
we
have
some
that
are
going
in
on
the
beach
for
safety
reasons
as
well.
Y
Yes,
we
were
we
when
we
built
a
beach
walk.
We
had
added
conduit
and
and
fiber
in
anticipation
of
adding
some
some
form
of
security.
We
we
visited
the
project
a
number
of
years
ago.
Actually,
for
the
first
time
in
my
tenure
when
sid
klein
was
here-
and
that
was
the
question
of
you
know-
is
this
oppressive?
Is
it
big
brother
public
perception?
Y
The
analytics
didn't
exist,
then
that
exists
now
and-
and
you
don't
need
as
many
personnel
monitoring.
You
can
do
a
lot
of
that
monitoring
with
software,
but
it
has
huge
benefit
from
from
an
evidentiary
standpoint
post
event.
If
we're
looking
for
a
particular
perpetrator
or
circumstances
of
an
event
and
given
the
international
nature
of
the
beach,
I
think
that's
why
they're
making
a
bigger
investment
down
there,
it's
our
most
active
area
for
tourism
and
and
brings
in
the
most
diverse
population
of
people
from
outside
our
local
community.
Y
E
Vice
mayor,
I
attended
the
I
toured
the
real
time
crime
center
last
week.
There's
one
piece
of
equipment
that
is
yet
to
be
installed
chief
and
I
talked
about
as
soon
as
that
piece
of
equipment
is
installed,
he's
going
to
extend
an
invitation
for
all
of
you
to
come
and
see
that
center
and
the
camera
network
that's
been
established
of
which
is
being
monitored
and
the
training
that
goes
involved.
E
E
K
Yeah
I
had
a
couple
of
questions:
is
there
a
cost
to
store
the
do
you
are
these
still
shots
that
are
taken
or
is
it
video
and
is
there
a
cost
to
store
these
images
and
how
long
do
you
store
them?
If
so,
if
you
do
store
them,.
Y
Yes,
it
is
a
video
feed,
so
we
store
all
the
video.
It
is
a
90-day
store
unless
it's
particularly
associated
with
a
case
or
an
incident
that
we
would
pull
it.
So
if
we
have
whether
it
be
a
cash
handling
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
if
it's
identified
as
a
case,
we'll
hold
that
and
then
add
it
to
a
file.
Otherwise,
it's
deleted
after
90
days
and
the
cost
of
storage.
That's
it's
in
the
configuration!
You
know
this
is
an
enterprise
console
system,
so
we
use
milestone
as
our
console
software
management.
Y
So
you
can
pull
up
any
of
these
cameras.
You
can
pull
them
up
at
a
central
location.
You
can
even
pull
them
up
on
your
phone.
These
are
for
managers
who
maybe
keep
an
eye
on
facilities
through
the
weekend
or
during.
If
they're
24-hour
operation
they
can
check
in
on
off
hours,
maybe
when
they're
not
in
the
office.
Y
So
this
is
fairly
powerful
tool.
The
local
storage
can
be
at
a
local
server
many
times
we
bring
it
back
to
our
main
data
center,
but
that's
kind
of
a
recycled
storage
so
we'll
hold
it
for
90
days
and
then
we
release
it.
So,
as
we
add
more
cameras,
there's
there's
some,
but
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
huge
amount
of
storage.
We
have
not
we'll
probably
will
never
put
this
in
the
cloud
with
a
third
party
as
the
cost
of
storage.
There
are
significantly
higher,
but.
R
Y
K
Okay
and
then,
and
then
do
you
have
signs
that
are
posted,
where
these
cameras
are
like
this
property
or
this
this
is
under
surveillance
of
the
city
of
clearwater.
Is
that
required
or
do
we
do
that.
Y
To
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
we
have
not,
for
the
most
part,
these
are
all
on
city
property.
We
we
haven't
really
put
them
in
right
of
way.
The
closest
one
would
be
the
ones
in
the
beach,
and
I
think,
we're
visiting
that
issue
of
whether
or
not
to
put
signage
up.
That
was
the
first
installation
other
than
that.
Almost
all
of
them
are
all
the
ones
I
listed
are
exclusively
city
facilities,
monitoring,
city
access
to
those
properties
or
those
facilities
and
use
of
those
facilities.
Y
So
that
issue
will
be
an
expanding
one.
I
know
miss
aiken
has
done
research
on
it.
We've
talked
at
length
about
it.
I
think
that's
a
discretionary
decision
between
the
attorney
and
the
council,
so.
D
Y
We
certainly
can
it's
been
used
in
mixed.
Some.
Some
communities
put
a
big
signage
up,
they
wanted
to
know
others
do
not.
I
know,
matt
has
done
research
as
well.
The
the
the
attorney
and
the
police
department.
K
Okay
and
then
it
seems
to
me
from
from
your
discussion
here,
because
you
talked
about
how
we've
got
some
at
the
gas
company
and
utility
centers
and
the
new
transfer
waste
transfer
station
that
it's
not
about
monitoring
something
for
a
malfunction.
It's
about
monitoring
people
and
and
bad
behavior,
primarily
right.
Y
Well,
it
can
be.
There
are
the
homeland
security
act
required,
a
certain
level
of
security
monitoring
for
mission,
critical
infrastructure
in
particular,
your
your
water
system
and
your
gas
system
have
some
exposure
from
a
from
a
terrorist
perspective.
At
least
that
was
the
thought
at
the
time
and
and
they
had
to
increase
the
their
level
of
security
in
those
facilities
and
dave,
porter
and
chuck
warrington
can
be
more
specifically
to
the
measures
they
took,
but
everything
from
securing
gates
to
to
adding
cameras
was
part
of
that
investment.
Y
You
know
with
facilities
like
the
cash
handling
was
part
of
an
audit.
The
additional
cameras
in
the
police
facility
or
the
fire
facilities
was
behavioral
issue
and
securing
those
facilities
that
are
open.
24,
7
and
you
know
kind
of
occasionally
attract
people
who
don't
work
for
the
city
and
then
obviously
we
had
an
audit
with
cash
handling,
so
we've
had
cameras
put
in
for
those
purposes
some
of
it's
just
safety,
so
so
the
transfer
station
is
a
huge
and
very
powerful
piece
of
equipment.
It's
also
very
dangerous.
Y
K
Okay
and
one
last
question
is
any
of
this
digital:
the
images
that
are
stored,
the
the
videos
does,
does
the
public
have
access
to
that?
Can
they
request
to
see
those.
Y
They
can
typically
not
not
all
of
it
is.
There
are
some
exemptions
and
it
depends
on
the
facility
and
and
the
nature
of
the
request,
but
I
defer
to
the
attorneys
on
that.
We
always
consult
when
those
are
made,
but
we
have
provided
that
as
a
public,
a
response
to
public
information.
C
M
M
E
Y
Thank
you
crown
castle
is
one
of
our
three
internet
service
providers.
We're
adding
this
additional
bandwidth
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
Y
Really
three
one
is:
we've
had
increased
use
of
bandwidth
with
code
response
and
people's
use
of
teams
and
zoom
as
a
standard
way
of
communication,
and
we
anticipate
some
of
that
to
continue
postcovid,
but
certainly
for
the
next
year
or
two,
the
the
the
addition
of
body
cameras,
depending
on
their
configuration,
some
of
those
body
cameras
that
they,
the
police,
will
be
moving
forward
with
across
modems
in
their
vehicles.
Others
will
come
back
to
a
facility,
be
docked
and
they'll
upload
over
our
network.
Y
Y
K
Y
No
that
that's
how
much
it
will
be.
We
had
an
existing
contract
for
the
existing
connection.
We
had
we're
adding
another
connection
and
we're
bringing
it
in
because
it's
an
eoc
and
it
does
have
a
data
center
and
we
we
bring
the
isps
into
the
building
from
two
different
avenues
and
preferably
off
of
two
different
polls.
So
if
one
were
to
be
say,
a
poll
was
knocked
down
to
a
car
accident.
We'd
still
have
internet
access
at
this
facility.
Y
C
E
Y
Last,
this
is
our
our
annual
agreement.
We
bring
this
forward
each
year.
This
allows
us
to
purchase
plain
old
telephone
lines
from
the
state,
and
this
gives
us
approximately
a
50
discount
on
what
it
would
cost
us
if
we
were
just
to
call
frontier
or
one
of
the
local
providers
and
ask
for
a
line.
Y
It's
approximately
500
lines
that
we
support
this
way
and
at
times
we've
even
had
phone
lines
used
for
intersection
control,
but
I
think
those
have
all
gone
away,
some
of
the
infrastructure
for
public
utilities
and
then
some
of
the
other
small
locations
where
we've
done
some
monitoring
for
oh
coachman
park.
For
for
some
of
the
cash
handling
down
there.
C
M
The
designated
units
are
due
for
replacement
in
fiscal
year
21
whichever
and
these
units
have
all
reached
their
end
of
their
useful
economic
life,
and
we
determine
that
what
the
useful
and
economic
life
is
but
to
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
age,
life
to
date,
mileage
and
hours
of
operations,
historical
maintenance
costs
as
compared
to
like
vehicles
and
operating
costs
per
mile
an
hour
and
mile
and
four
hour
anticipated
an
ongoing
repairs
and
physical
condition.
K
V
K
Well,
I
apologize,
I
must
have
oh
you
know,
I
guess
it's.
K
M
K
M
Those
public
utilities,
gas
every
department
in
the
city
has
we
have
replacements
for
vehicles
and
equipment.
C
D
Z
14.1,
the
pre-appointments
of
kathleen
agnew
and
john
durant's
clearwater
housing
authority
board
with
terms
to
expire
september,
30,
2024,
council
members
per
cha
bylaws.
The
appointments
are
made
by
the
mayor
but
approved
by
council,
and
the
mayor
has
recommended
to
reappoint
miss
agnew
and
mr
duran.
C
C
A
Z
I
would
like
to
note
that
miss
joseph
is
currently
appointed
on
an
advisory
on
one
of
our
city
advisory
boards,
and
I
did
confirm
with
legal
that
there
are
no
issues
she
can
also
serve
on
this
appointment
as
well.
H
H
Both
of
them
have
aviation
experience
at
st
p,
clearwater
airport,
and
I
mean
not
that
it's
a
you
know
really
a
swing
to
swing,
a
vote
or
anything.
I
know
mr
hembree.
H
H
The
the
aviation
experience
mr
hembree
and
mr
ski
are
those
either
one
of
them
would
be
a,
I
think,
would
do
great.
The
other
three
would
be
fine
as
well,
but
I
kind
of
lean
towards
the
aviation
experience
in
my
my
ranking
of
it.
C
N
Mayor
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
everybody
who
applied
for
this.
N
We
got
a
lot
of
good
people
in
clearwater
that
want
to
be
active
in
the
boards
and
just
to
apply
is
is
great.
I
just
want
to
thank
all
the
the
people
that
did
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
councilman
hamilton,
greg
hembry.
L
D
L
In
the
area,
I
don't
know,
that's
just
an
open
question.
The
other
thing
last
time
that
we
had
an
appointment
to
make.
It
was
stressed
to
me
that
we'd
like
to
have
a
mixture
of
zip
codes,
and
I
believe,
vice
mayor
sent
out
an
email
to
somebody
about
that
as
well.
Yesterday,
I
don't
know
the
the
zip
codes
we
have
them
for
all
these
candidates
here
in
their
applications,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
zones
that
were
lacking
for
this
board
or
that
would
be
preferred.
C
L
C
Okay,
I
mean,
I
understand
your
point
council
member
bunker,
that
somebody
who
is
an
actual
pilot
may
have
greater
sympathy,
but
I
also
think
that
they
have
a
heightened
understanding
of
airports
and
noise
and
other
things.
I.
M
X
C
Towards
mr
hembree,
because
of
his
experience,
I
do
wish
that
he
had
viewed
some
city
council
meetings
or
other
board
meetings,
but
it
is
not
enough
for
me
to
preclude
him
from
being
on.
At
least
he
answered
it
honestly.
E
The
east
side
of
the
city
and
in
the
flight
pattern
of
pie,
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
have
someone
who
actually
lives
in
the
flight
pattern
area
and
and
given
the
history
of
this
task
force
and
why
it
was
created.
E
We
have
a
just
a
variety
of
citizens
who
live
in
the
fight
pattern
and,
and
they
all
share
a
not
surprisingly
different
viewpoints
on
the
amount
of
disruption
that
flight
patterns
may
cause
their
personal
lives.
It
is
noticeable.
The
flight
pattern
is
noticeable
at
all
hours
if
you're
in
your
home-
and
it
seems
to
me
having
someone
who
can,
I
think,
be
objective
across
the
board-
is
really
what
what
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
us.
H
I
would
I
would
like
to
see
mr
henry
be
our
the
city's
representative
on
this
board.
W
L
A
L
Is
he
the
only
one
of
the
candidates
who
does
live
in
one
of
those
affected
zones.
C
He's
probably
the
most
directly
affected,
miss
joseph
lives
on,
I
believe,
drew
street
yeah.
D
H
And-
and
I
can
tell
you
I-
I
lived
in
the
country
park
subdivision
back
in
from
2002
to
two
thousand
and
six,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
airplanes
come
over
frequently
it
is,
is
definitely
a
an
at
a
part
of
your
life
when
you
live
up
there,
so
that
that's
why
mr
hembree
kind
of
comes
to
the
top
on
this
one.
For
me,.
K
Can
we
put
it
off
until
thursday?
I
you
know
I'd
like
to
give
a.
I
can
give
a
couple
of
them
a
call,
but.
H
So
y'all,
you
all
know
where
I
am
on
that
one.
I
I
I
think
hembree
and
schiar
are
the
two
that
are,
you
know,
have
the
experience
and
qualifications
for
this
specific
noise,
abort
abatement
board
at
pie.
So
those
would
be
my
top
two
choices.
C
All
right,
we'll
discuss
it
thursday,
we're
two
hours
in
so
let's
take
a
ten
minute
recess.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
E
C
Z
Approve
the
2021
city
council
meeting
schedule
council
members
in
your
agenda
pack,
I
provided
a
proposed
schedule.
I
would
like
to
make
note
of
some
exceptions
for
next
year's
meeting
schedule
so
generally
our
meet
the
meetings
are
held
on
the
first
and
third
thursday
of
each
month.
Unless
the
accompanying
work
session
precedes
a
holiday,
then
it's
typical.
The
work
session
is
held
on
the
tuesday,
so
the
january
18
work
session
has
been
moved
to
tuesday
january
19
at
9
00
a.m.
Z
And
that's
due
to
the
martin
luther
king
jr
holiday,
the
february
15
work
session
is
moved
to
tuesday
february
16
due
to
president's
day
and
the
march
31st
work
session
has
been
moved
to
tuesday
june
1st
and
that's
due
to
memorial
day
a
couple
of
other
exceptions.
Their
schedule
has
not
been
modified
to
address
any
conflicts
at
the
floor
league
of
cities,
annual
conference
or
legislative
conference,
as
those
events
have
not
been
scheduled.
Z
Yet
if
there
are
any
conflicts-
and
I
will
come
back
to
council
and
ask
for
the
schedule
to
be
adjusted
accordingly-
the
other
exception
or
the
the
thing
that
the
staff
is
needing
some
some
council
feedback
is
passed
over
for
next
year.
C
Muted,
thank
you.
Questions.
K
So
if
we
move
the
the
set
the
march
27th
the
passover
week,
then
that
means
we'd
have
two
work
sessions
and
city
council
sessions
in
a
row
back-to-back
weeks.
Is
that
correct?
Have
we
done
that
before.
C
H
Do
we
want
to
make
make
because
right
now
we're
scheduled
for
one
meeting
in
july
and
one
meeting
in
december,
which
is
what
we've
normally
done?
H
Do
we
want
to
add
a
second
meeting
to
either
to
say
the
month
of
july.
C
H
I
don't
disagree
with
that,
but
I
mean
if
you're,
okay,
having
just
one
meeting
in
march,
we
can.
We
can
load
up.
That's
not
a
problem.
K
I
would
suggest
that
we
make
it
a
larger
meeting
in
march
rather
than
two
back-to-backs.
It
just
seems
like
we
might
not,
they
might
be.
You
know,
I
don't
know
not
a
whole
bunch
would
differ
between
weeks.
I
think.
C
N
Z
Correct
during
the
spring,
particularly
march,
it's
not
that
big.
We
usually
things
start
picking
up
during
the
summer
and
then
july
is
typically
because
you
have.
The
one
meeting
is
a
little
bit
larger,
but
we
can
accommodate,
as
items
are
being
scheduled,
to
make
sure
that
they're
being
processed,
timely.
N
Z
Z
H
L
I'm
ready
to
come
anytime
anywhere,
so
whatever
you
folks
decide
is
fine
with
me.
A
J
Fairly
normal
emergency
proclamation
and
resolution,
we
will
be
talking
to
chief
graham
to
make
sure
to
discuss
with
him
proclamations
of
emergency
going
forward
right
now.
You
are
confirming
this,
the
last
one
that
occurred
last
week,
so
we
will
have
more
information
for
you,
thursday
night,
about
going
forward.
Proclamations.
E
E
Michael
maxwell
and
staff
have
been
working
internally
to
prepare
for
this
discussion.
They've
also
met
with
representatives
from
the
downtown
the
water
merchants
association.
In
my
opinion,
it's
been
a
very
good
engagement
and
it's
my
understanding
that
we
put
this
off
to
allow
the
dcma
reps
to
be
present
because
they
wanted
to
be
present.
They
asked
us
to
push
it
off
until
thursday
night,
so
they
wouldn't
have
a
chance
to
comment.
So
with
that
said,
mr
mike,
mr
maxwell.
W
Mr
michael
maxwell
assistant
city
manager,
in
june,
as
you
know,
the
city
received
a
request
from
the
downtown
clearwater
association
to
consider
a
permanent
closure
for
the
400
and
500
blocks
of
cleveland
street
irrigate
a
number
of
factors
which
we've
included
in
your
backup
materials.
W
We
do
have
a
code
section
which
we've
also
attached
that
speaks
to
3909.
I'm
sorry.
3-909
is
also
attached
to
your
to
your
your
backup
materials
that
allows
for
businesses
to
use
the
sidewalk
portion
of
the
right-of-way
on
cleveland
or
for
sidewalk
cafes
under
certain
parameters,
but
not
within
the
roadway
that
has
been
extended
to
the
roadway
during
the
pandemic,
based
on
the
state,
emergency
declarations.
W
Of
course,
friday's
announcement
of
our
move
to
phase
three
may
have
an
impact
on
that.
We
have
not
had
any
time
to
review
that
to
see
if
there
is
certainly
something
we
will
be
looking
into,
but
I
do
just
want
to
run
through
a
couple
of
the
different
considerations
that
we've
talked
to
and
clearly
you'd
have
the
backup
materials
as
well,
but
but
one
of
them
was
of
course
public
safety.
That's
a
that's
a
big
one
and
there
were
sort
of
three
areas
that
we
focused
on.
W
W
The
ability
to
respond
to
emergency
calls
in
an
appropriate
time
frame
and,
of
course,
the
placement
of
structures
along
those
roadways
may
have
impact
to
our
ability
to
do
that,
and
also
the
fire
code.
The
ability
to
to
get
close
enough
to
a
building
to
properly
you
know,
protect
it
or
for
there
to
be
infrastructure
that
you
know
that
the
buildings
have
to
be
able
to
allow
them
to
be
appropriately
protected.
W
Review
of
the
service
level
infrastructure
to
determine
you
know
some
of
the
improvements
that
may
be
needed
to
deal
with
ada
issues
or
the
with
the
stormwater
conveyance
system.
That's
that's
another
important
consideration,
financial
impact
to
buildings,
private
or
public,
and
to
the
businesses
themselves,
either
the
building
owners
or
the
businesses.
You
know
that
we
have
not
experienced
this.
This
closure
during
a
non-coveted
period.
W
You
know
just
during
this
covet
period,
and
so
so
we're
not
sure
how
exactly
it
will
impact
those
buildings
and
businesses
in
in
normal
times,
the
impact
of
traffic
patterns,
whether
it's
imagine
clearwater
or
just
the
effect
on
for
harrison
another.
You
know
important
consideration
to
to
take
into
account
and
the
impact
to
parking.
W
Services
along
that
area,
it
reduces
by
about
25
parking
spaces
they're
on
street,
and
then,
as
far
as
the
ballet
is
concerned,
there
are
a
couple
restaurants,
I
know-
there's
been
400
block
has
used
it
before
they
don't
always
use
it,
but
the
closing
the
street
does
remove
the
ability
to
have
that
along
cleveland
street
capital.
Theater
has
also
used
it
on
cleveland
and
while
they
have
an
access
on
on
osceola
as
well,
that
is
where
they
park
their
their
artists
support
vehicles.
W
That's
what
these
over
there.
That
said,
staff
believes
that,
prior
to
you
know
considering
a
permanent
closure.
We
need
to
take
take
into
account.
Some
of
these
things
take
a
little
closer
look,
a
little
more
detailed
look
at
what
these
impacts
are,
and
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
enter
into
a
pilot
program
to
do
some.
W
Some
some
preliminary
review
council's
interested
in
in
us
moving
forward
with
this
we've
outlined
sort
of
a
recommended
path,
which
includes
an
engagement
process
with
stakeholders,
development
of
the
pilot
program
and
then
the
council's
consideration
of
those
of
the
program
itself
and
whatever
code
amendments.
It
requires
and
then
going
ahead
with
the
implementation
of
the
program
and
doing
some
some
concept,
value,
validation
on
on
the
actual
implementation.
W
The
dcma,
as
mr
horn
expressed,
has
been
working
with
us
on
this
as
well.
They
expressed
support
for
the
pilot
program
approach
and-
and
we
plan
to
carry
this
over
to
the
thursday
meeting,
to
allow
them
to
provide
some
feedback
as
well
that
I'll
take
any
questions
again.
There's
backup
material
that
is
much
more
detailed
than
what
I've
just
what
I've
just
expressed.
H
Well,
since
I
won't
be
here
thursday
night,
the
word
permanent
kind
of
I
I'm
not,
I
don't
know
that
I'm
ready
to
go
to
the
word
permanent.
Yet
you
know
the
closure
has
been
beneficial
during
covid
and
and
I
have
no
problem
with
it.
H
I
have
no
pr
and
I
have
no
problem
with
the
commitment
we've
made
through
you
know,
through
till
january
or
or
whatever
our
commitment
is
or
maybe
the
end
of
january
or
something
now
I
don't
know
I
I'm
okay
with
those,
but
once
we
get
through
the
covid
and
we
get
back
to
everybody
back
to
normal
life
and
normal
activities,
is
it
something
we
want
to
have?
I
don't
know
that
I'm
ready
to
say
absolutely
on.
You
know,
like
I
said.
The
word
permanent
scares
me
right
now.
H
It's
you
know,
as
far
as
like
clear
sky
is
as
michael
was
referring
to
clear
sky.
Can't
I
guarantee
you
clear
sky
has
no
problem
trading
off
some
valet
parking
for
about
eight
or
nine
more
tables
out
on
the
street
that
they
can
serve
and
generate
revenue
from
so
yeah.
That's
not
like
it's
a
sacrifice,
but
it's
I'm
good
with
what
we've
done
now.
H
If
we
want
to
extend
it
a
little
beyond
that
from
where
it
is
now,
I'm
comfortable
doing
that,
but,
based
on
you
know,
kova
and
getting
back
to
real
life,
I
I
think
we
need
to
evaluate
some
more
things
once
we
get
to
that
point,
rather
than
just
automatically
saying
we're
going
to
make
a
permanent
closure
of
these
of
these
two
blocks.
N
I've
been
floating
this
idea
since
I
was
on
the
ddb
and-
and
you
know,
we've
had
a
chance
now
with
kova
to
actually
see
this
implemented.
We've
we've
kind
of
had
our
little
test
market
on
it,
and
it's
just
received
a
plus
from
everybody.
Now
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
the
merchants
there.
My
concern
originally
was
well.
Maybe
we
ought
to
see
how
the
serviceability
of
the
of
the
different
businesses
and
how
that
affects
it,
but
to
the
t,
everyone
that
I've
talked
to
says:
that's,
not
a
problem.
N
If
we
have
to
get
you
know
we'll
bring
it
in
and
if
we
can
have
the
extra
seating
in
the
street.
It's
been
well
received
by
the
community
as
well,
and
I
can
tell
you
once
covid's
over.
You
know
you're
going
to
still
have
people
that
want
to
open
air
seating
rather
than
going
inside.
I
can
tell
you
now:
that's
not
going
to
just
all
of
a
sudden
stop
with
the
you
know,
governor's
order.
I
mean.
D
N
Still
going
to
be
people
that
say
hey,
I
really
don't
want
to
go
in
I'll
I'll
sit
outside,
though,
and
certainly
we've
seen
that
that's
true,
I
think
it's
going
to
last
a
while,
so
I
I'm,
I
think
we
ought
to
really
seriously
consider
doing
this.
We've
given
it's
it's
like
the
downtown's
been
reborn.
It
really
has.
It's
got.
N
The
merchants
are
psyched.
Everybody's
is
very
positive
on
this,
so
you
know
I
I
I'm
with
going
in
and
doing
the
if
you
need
to
have
a
period
to
try
it
to
see
if
there
are
any
little
things
that
come
up,
but
let's,
let's,
let's
keep
that
going
because
it's
really
one
of
the
more
positive
things
I've
seen
in
the
downtown
in
a
long
time.
H
H
When
we
get
now
that
we're
getting
back,
you
know
and
when,
when
the
capital
theater
gets
back
to
being
able
to
have
three
or
four
performances
a
week
and
things
of
that
nature,
that's
why
I
say
we
might
need
to
take
a
you
know,
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
it
with
the
capital
with
the
capital
theater
operating
it's
you
know,
don't
get
me
wrong.
It's
been
phenomenal
during
covet
and
what
we've
done.
H
It's
been
phenomenal,
but
the
capital
theater
has
not
been
part
of
that
equation
during
this
process
and-
and
I
think
it
may
have-
it
may
have
some
effect,
and
I
that's
why
I
say:
I'm
I'm
fine
with
what
we've
done
to
this
point
and
I'm
not
saying
I'm
not
willing
to
take
it
to
extend
it
even
further.
N
And
I'm
fine
with
a
program
just
to
go
ahead
and
vet
that
out,
but
I
can
tell
you
they
could
still
do
the
valet
service
on
osceola
for
the
capitol
theater,
and
I
I
know
if
I
know
they
would
welcome
the
street
closure
to
have
even
some
pre-events
like
they
do
at
ruth
eckerd.
You
know,
while
you're
waiting
to
go
in,
have
something
out
right
in
the
street,
so
I
just
see
it
as
a
positive
thing
for
everybody.
K
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
fully
agree
with
council
member
albritton
and
where
council
member
hamilton
has
some
concerns,
they're
certainly
valid,
and
this
is
a
pilot
program
that
the
staff
is
proposing.
So
certainly
you
know
I
I
fully
support
it.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
it's
not
a
permanent
decision,
we're
making.
Now
it's
just
for
this
pilot,
that's
that
they're,
proposing.
L
First
time
I
saw
the
street
closed,
I
thought
that's
fantastic.
We
should
make
this
permanent
and
then
talking
to
the
fire
chief
and
the
concerns
about
getting
trucks
in
there
for
emergencies.
L
So
I
I
think,
as
we
bring
life
back
to
downtown
I'd
like
to
be
like
this
to
be
permanent
and
as
more
blocks
come
to
life,
I'd
like
to
make
it
like
the
third
street
promenade
in
santa
monica,
where
it
was
a
true
destination,
but
the
pilot
program,
I
think,
is
necessary
for
us
to
really
consider
all
of
those
other
issues
that
we're
not
thinking
about
when
we
only
think
about
all
the
restaurants
have
more
seating
and
more
people
are
sitting
outside,
that's
nice,
but
there
are
other
issues
that
we
need
to
take
into
consideration.
C
I
meet
people
that
I
know
who
live
in
waters
edge.
One
of
my
first
questions
is
hey.
What
do
you
think
of
the
street
closure
and
b?
Have
you
learned
to
maneuver
around
not
using
cleveland
anymore,
and
the
response
has
been
unanimous
to
the
people
that
I've
talked
to?
Certainly
not
everyone
that
lives
there,
but
they've
just
changed
their
patterns
and
it
hasn't
created
any
inconvenience
and
they
like
the
fact
that
you
know
the
street
is
closed
down
and
they
could
dine
outside,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
is
exclusively
because
of
cobit.
C
I
think
it
is
enhanced
because
people
do
feel
safer
and
it
has
given
more
space
both
in
and
out
because
we're
doing
it
I
mean
I
want
to
get
into
some
of
the
details,
because
that
is
where
we
can
go
awry.
C
I
mean
we
still
need
to
talk
about
watterson
and
how
we
want
to
deal
with
that
street.
I
can
tell
you,
you
know,
we
all
know
our
building
looks
out
on
it
and
I
am
here
pretty
much
every
day,
all
day
nobody's
using
it
as
a
one-way
street.
It's
currently
being
used
as
a
two-way
street
and
people
make
several
point
turns
to
turn
back
around
because
they
can't
get
onto
cleveland.
C
The
other
question
I
had
mr
max
well
was-
and
I
have
to
tell
you
I
thought
this
was
a
little
bizarre
crossing
between
the
400
block
and
the
500
block
potential
for
pedestrians
or
vehicle
occupants
to
throw
objects
as
vehicles
pass
by.
C
W
Could
I
think
it
would?
I
mean
I
think
it
was
more
for
the
other
way
around
the
the
pedestrians
or
those
within
the
restaurant
areas,
and
it's
sort
of
related
back
to
do
you
allow
them
to
have
glass
or
cans
of
alcohol
and
the
ability
to
throw
them
at
the
vehicles.
If
somebody
gets
too
intoxicated
those
sorts
of
things,
it's
just
something
that
we've
talked
about
internally.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
out
there
and
it's
certainly
not
something
we
can't
work
through.
It
may
not
be.
C
Well,
I've
always
said
we
can't
regulate
stupidity.
You
know
people
that
do
stupid.
Things
are
still
going
to
do
stupid
things,
regardless
of
what
we
what
we
put
into
our
code.
I
just
think
working
out
capital,
theater
kinks.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
valor.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
handicap
parking
close
to
the
front
of
capital.
C
That's
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
I
really
think
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
still
do
valet
without
you
know
completely
clogging
up
osceola
and
cleveland
right
there,
but
I
know
we
do
have
a
lot
of
older
patrons
that
can't
walk
far
and
at
least
they
can
avail
themselves
of
the
valet.
So
I
think
that's
important.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
safety
issues
here
that
we
have
to
work
through
and
I
think
the
other
issue
is.
We
have
to
put
numbers
to
all
this.
C
So
I
think
we
have
to
find
solutions
for
all
this
and
have
some
at
least
fairly
solid
projections
for
what
this
is
not
only
going
to
cost
to
initiate
for
the
longer
term,
but
also
what
it
will
cost
to
maintain.
H
There's
a
big
there's,
a
difference
between
pilot
program
and
permanent
in
my
book
you
know
pilot
program,
we
can
work
on
things
and
if
it
works
great,
if
it
doesn't
work
but
to
say
it's
permanent,
I'm
not
there
yet
but
pilot
program,
I'm
I'm
not
adverse
to
that.
You
know
we
can
try
anything.
C
So
do
we
consider
the
fact
that
we've
done
this
now
for
many
months,
the
pilot
or
we're
going
to
be
doing
more
to
actually
measure
how
we
would
move
forward.
W
We
would
not
consider
what
we've
done
to
this
point
to
be
a
pilot.
We
didn't
you
know
having
the
capital
reopen,
was
a
big
consideration
for
us
as
well.
We
feel
like
it's
important,
to
see
what
that
does
to
things
and
we
anticipate
having
some
some
of
those
cost
numbers
after
we
kind
of
get
through
the
pilot
be
able
to
develop
some
of
some
of
those
numbers
between
now
and
the
end
of
it.
C
So
everybody
content
to
move
forward
with
the
pilot.
Yes,
I'm
seeing
nodding
heads.
E
Retrofitting
an
area
in
order
to
fit
our
to
fit
the
desire
to
have
a
street
closure,
so
we
are
retrofitting
what's
there,
which
was
there
for
a
different
purpose.
E
We
we
are
talking
about
making
it
compatible
with
closing,
at
least
initially
closing,
cleveland
and
osceola
in
that
intersection,
and
then
closing
that
400
block
500
block.
There
are
still
considerable
amount
of
infrastructure
there.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with,
and
and
so
we
we
have
a
good
understanding
as
to
what
we
need
to
do
at
this
point.
C
Okay,
well,
there
are
the
marching
orders.
Do
you
have
anything
else,
mr
horn.
K
Yeah
I
wanted
to
to
think
about
how
we
get
applications
for
our
advisory
boards
and
what
the
real
function
of
our
advisory
boards
is
or-
and
I
know
we
have
different
functions
for
the
different
in
advisory
boards
that
we
have.
But
essentially
you
know
the
way
I
understand
it
is,
and
this
is
from
something
from
our
city
clerk.
The
purpose
of
an
advisory
board
which,
in
some
cities
is
known
as
a
commission,
is
to
advise
the
city
council
on
various
issues
that
affect
the
community.
K
The
board
members
provide
community
input
and
make
sure
that
the
city
adheres
to
established
guidelines.
Advisory
boards
range
in
size,
but
average
between
five
and
ten
members
has
different
cri.
Each
board
can
have
different
criteria
that
must
be
met
by
its
members,
and
I
just
I
I
don't
get
a
sense
that
I
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
have
our
advisory
boards
be
a
little
more
collaborative
with
us
as
in
can
we
provide
them
a
little
direction
or
some
tasks?
K
I
know
that
there's
a
city
liaison
between
advisory
boards,
so
my
experiences
with
the
you
know
the
environmental
advisory
board,
the
library
advisory
board,
the
neighborhood,
affordable
housing
advisory
board
and
the
what
is
it
the
development
code,
cdb
yeah
that
one
I
sat
in
on
and
and
it's
just
I
just
don't
and
and
when
I
first
was
elected,
I
sent
out
emails
to,
I
think
every
board,
member
or
nearly
everyone
asking
hey.
K
Can
you
give
me
some
feedback
on
your
on
your
position
and
what
you
like
about
your
your
position
and
and
and
a
number
of
responses
came
back
in
that.
Well,
I
don't
feel
like
I
do
enough
or
I
want
to
do
more
or
you
know,
and
and
again
it
was
at
the
beginning
of
covent
as
well,
but
I'm
you
know,
let's
just
take,
for
example,
the
parks
and
rec
or
the
environmental
advisory
board.
K
You
know
what
do
they
do
and
what
feedback
are
they
giving
us
the
the
one
of
the
most
recent
parks
and
rec
boards
I
went
to?
I
was
the
only
person
in
in
the
library,
and
there
was
a
discussion
about
renaming
coachman
park
to
coachman
commons,
and
you
know
there
wasn't
an
opportunity
that
I
viewed
that
those
board
members
went
out
and
got
feedback
from
the
community
or
or
whatever,
and
I
just
so
I'm
concerned
about
their
function
and
how
we
interact
with
them.
K
And
then
I'm
also
the
other
big
concern
or
suggestion
I
have
is
how
we
choose
them.
And
you
know,
looking
at
a
question
like
have
you
ever
observed
or
been
in
attendance
with
a
board
meeting
is
like
wow.
K
You
know
that's
something,
especially
if
you
haven't
and
then
we
look
at
zip
codes
and-
and
you
know
you
know,
I'm
I'm
a
proponent
for
diversity,
but
I
think
it's
important
too
to
really
hear
their
voice
and
I
would
like
or
suggest
we
could
think
about
having
them
come
during
a
work
session
on
the
week
that
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
them
on
that
thursday
and
just
introduce
themselves
and
make
a
statement
and
have
you
know,
let's
hear
their
voice
and
have
a
little
question
and
answer
and
and
I
get
that
we've
got,
you
know
their
phone
numbers
and
we
can
call
and-
and
I
I
plan
to
follow
up
with
the
the
noise
abatement
one,
but
I
just
I
just
think
we
can
do
a
little
better
with
what
they're
there
for
and
how
we
work
with
them
and
how
we
choose
them
any
any.
K
N
Well,
I'm
not,
I
think
you
bring
up
some
valid
points.
You
know
I
watched
a
parks
and
rec
board
about
a
year
ago
and
the
people
were
frustrated.
They
said
you
know
gee.
We
came
up
with
some
ideas
and
but
nobody
really
wanted
to
hear
what
we
wanted
to
say,
and
I
thought
boy,
that's
really
not
good,
I
mean,
and
they
were
all
thinking
well.
Why
are
we
here?
You
know
I
I
haven't
heard
any.
N
How
we
go
about
that,
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
when
we
get
back
to
a
normal
situation
where
we're
on
the
dyess
and
we
can
have
people
come
in,
I'm
I'm
for
that.
If
they
really
would
like
to
be
on
the
board,
I
I
think
face
to
face
is
always
a
good
idea.
You
know
to
get
to
know
somebody
and
if
they
really
want
the
job
or
they
don't
you're,
going
to
figure
that
out
better
in
person
than
with
a
you
know
with
a
form
you
know.
K
What
can
we
do
with
coachman
park
as
far
as
our
park
development
or
for
the
environmental
advisory
board,
for
you
know,
for
what
can
we
do
environmentally
down
there
or
the
landings
or
the
library
advisory
board
with
you
know,
do
we
see
any
kind
of
connection
and
development
between
the
library
and
the
park
and
imagine
clearwater,
and
so
I
I
would,
I
don't
have
a
firm
understanding
of
how
they
get
their
walking
papers
like
what?
What
is
your
task?
K
What
what
is
your
task
for
this
quarter,
because
they
only
need
each
quarter
and,
and
is
it
like?
Hey,
please
help
us,
you
know,
develop
some
suggestions
for
x,
y
or
z,
or
please
do
some
research
on
what
other
florida
cities
are
doing
on
this
or
that
and
come
to
the
table
with
some
ideas,
along
with
your
knowledge
of
the
community
and
what
can
work
here
and-
and
I
just
I
would
hope
that
it
could
operate.
Something
like
that.
C
Well,
we
have
given
specific
tasks
to
different
advisory
boards.
In
the
past
there
would
be
a
project
or
some
issue
that
arose,
maybe
in
parks
and
rec
or
an
environmental
issue,
and
they
would
actually
be
given
the
task
of
looking
deeper
into
a
specific
issue
and
then
coming
back
with
a
recommendation.
C
C
E
Yes,
mayor,
thank
you.
You
recall
when
you
all
were
formed.
As
the
new
council,
one
of
my
discussion
items
was
to
have
a
council
discussion
related
to
advisory
boards,
because
I
felt
that
we
have
evolved
to
a
point
where
I
think
we
need
to
do
what
you're
doing
now
and
and
that
staff
role
in
advisory
board.
E
Support
has
been
defined
for
many
years,
based
on
the
council
view
that,
while
advisory
boards
are,
can
be
helpful
and
provide
input,
and
at
one
point
you
know
30
years
ago
or
25
years
ago,
they
really
did
play
a
role
in
addressing
issues.
But
council
reminded
me.
E
Advisory
boards
are
really
not
designed
to
do
council
members,
jobs
and
responsibilities,
and
so
we
had
to
make
sure
that
advisor
board
members
were
their
role,
was
framed
appropriately
and
expectations
were
appropriately
established.
Based
on
that
feedback
that
we've
gotten
from
council
members,
I
can't
tell
you
how,
in
the
first
five
or
six
years
of
my
tenure
as.
D
E
Manager,
you
know,
council
members
were
pretty
clear
about.
You
know
where
that
boundary
is
between
advisory
boards
and
council
members.
We
have
progressed
to
a
point
now
where
I
think
we
should
as
you're
doing
having
this
conversation,
I
would
argue
that
we
should
have
less
of
it,
but
that's
just
the
manager's
perspective
mayor.
I
thought
maybe
you
might
want
to
make
this
part
of
your
discussion
topics.
E
This
would
certainly
lend
itself,
but
but
the
the
issue
of
getting
more
work
out
of
advisory
boards
will
speak
to
how
much
staff
support
you're
expecting
us
to
provide
them
and-
and
that
is
of
concern
to
me,
council
members
typically
go
out
and
recruit
advisory
board
members
and
set
those
expectations
and
I'm
not
sure,
we've
defined.
D
E
All
want
that
to
occur,
but
I
am
concerned
with
how
much
staff
gets
involved
in
supporting
advisory
boards
and
when
and
when
advisory
board.
Members
do
express
certain
perspective
that
are
not
within
the
framework
of
what's
in
the
code
and
what
their
role
is.
It
is
appropriate
for
staff
to
advise
them
that
that's
probably
something
that
we
can't
do.
That
could
lead
to
a
criticism
of
no
one's
listening
to
me
so
anyway,
mary
that's.
Z
Council
members,
I
did
want
to
add
in
terms
of
receiving
the
applications,
in
addition
to
council
members
efforts
in
recruiting
individuals
when
we
see
applicants
or
we
have
a
vacancy
and
we
do
not
have
respective
applicants
on
file.
I
do
work
with
public
communications
to
make
sure
that
that
information
is
available
on
our
social
media
sites
and
if
I
know
of
anyone
in
particular,
who
has
expressed
an
interest,
I
provide
them
as
well.
Z
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
that
you'll
notice
with
time
that
some
boards
are
exciting
and
more
interesting
to
certain
individuals.
For
instance,
community
development
board
code
board.
Those
are
boards
that
are
usually
easily
filled.
If
it's
not
the
only
exceptions
that
you
have
are
the
professional
guidelines
that
we
try
to
follow
with
certain
vacancies,
but
for
the
most
part
you
know
we
do
provide
you
a
monthly
memo
regarding
upcoming
vacancies.
D
H
There's
also
no,
no,
no
that's
great,
but
there
you
know.
There's
also.
You
know
you
there's
the
individuals
that
are
on
these
advisory
boards.
You
know
some
of
them
are
meet
quarterly
and
you
know
if
you
say
well,
you
know
what
we
want
to
change
it
and
y'all
are
going
to
meet
monthly
they're
going
to
I
don't
have
you
know
I
can't
I
can't
make
it
to
monthly
meetings
or
or
vice
versa.
Some
you
know
some
members
are
going
to
say
they
can't
be
meet
as
often
as
you
know.
H
More
often-
and
you
know
some
I'd
like
to
meet
less
often
whatever,
but
it's
you
know,
I
guess
we
need
to
set
the
boundaries
on
exactly
what
is
it?
You
know
what
is
it?
We
want
the
advisory
boards
to
have
on
their
plates,
because
you
know
if
we
want
everything
that
comes
in
front
of
us
from
regarding
parks
and
rec,
to
go
in
front
of
the
parks
and
rec
board.
H
C
Well,
we
can
discuss
it
further
when
we
have
the
meeting
or
we
can
continue
on
council
member
bunker.
L
I
do
like
council
member
beckman's
suggestion
that
we
have
a
chance
to
talk
to
the
applicants.
I
find
it
frustrating
when
we're
given
the
the
application
forms
of
like
today.
It
was
five
people
and
we
have
very
limited
idea
of
of
who
they
are
now.
A
L
One
person
on
here
that
I
know
personally
who's
very
dedicated
to
the
community
and
and
I
would
lean
toward
possibly
voting
for
him,
but
I
I
think
to
myself
is
that
fair?
Just
because
I
know
somebody,
I
I
think
maybe
that
should
count
against
them,
because
I
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
be
playing
favorites,
but
if
they
could
come
collectively
to
a
meeting
and
and
introduce
themselves
and
answer
a
few
questions.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
in
making
a
decision.
C
Well,
the
issue
with
that
on
work
sessions
is,
you
know
we
normally
have
those
on
a
monday,
obviously
like
we
are
today.
You
know
in
the
morning
during
the
work
week,
and
so
are
you
going
to
give
somebody
a
strike
if
they
can't
get
off
of
work
and
come
here
to
talk
to
us
at
a
work
session?
I
wouldn't
support
that.
I
think
that's
a
problem.
C
C
C
Be
reappointed
or
why
they
wanted
to
be
appointed
in
the
first
place.
But
you
know
again
most
of
the
candidates
that
get
on
our
advisory
boards.
C
They
tend
to
come
from
either
people
that
all
of
us
know
and
we
encourage
them
to
apply
to
a
board
that
you
know
really
meets
their
skill
set
or
because
they
go
through
citizens,
academy
and
they're
enthusiastic
about
the
city,
and
then
they
want
to
get
more
engaged
and
then
probably
there's
a
third
category
of
people
that
someday
might
want
to
run
and
they
want
to
get
some
experience
with
the
city
board.
K
I
would
say
you
know
if
you're,
if
you're
suggesting
that
it
would
be
a
difficult
for
for
applicants
to
these
boards
to
come
to
our
work
session
at
9
00
a.m.
On
a
monday.
Well,
a
number
of
these
boards
meet
at
really
inopportune
times.
You
know
at
three
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
for
the
environmental
advisory
board
or
at
9
00
a.m
or
10
a.m,
for
the
library,
advisory
board
or
the
affordable
housing
advisory
board,
and
that's
part
of
the
problem
with
getting.
K
I
think,
a
wider
variety
of
people-
or
you
know
maybe
working
parents
or
whatever
to
sit
on
these
boards,
clearly
limiting
it
to
work
day
hours
or
when
we
have
those
board
meetings,
causes
us
to
restrict
that
field.
Now
I
do
understand
that
we
pay
for
staff
to
be
there.
We
have
the
buildings
open
their
scheduling,
so
there's
a
balance,
but
you
know
if
they're
going
to
be
serving
on
a
board
that
might
be
meeting
at
9
10
in
the
morning
or
three
in
the
afternoon
quarterly.
I
think
that
they
can.
K
Z
Council
members,
when
it
comes
to
the
prospective
applicants,
they
know
they
know
the
meeting
times
of
the
boards
that
they're
interested
in.
So
I
think
that
it
makes
it
easier
for
them
to
schedule,
as
opposed
to
going
to
a
work
session
and
waiting
for
them
to
be
called.
As
we
know,
there's
really
no
way
of
us
dictating
what
time
we're
going
to
hold
the
discussion,
and
I
think
that
was
a
concern
in
terms
of
having
them
attend
a
work
session.
The
applications
are
always
provided.
Z
Z
C
K
Yeah,
but
I
think
you
know
asking
them
more
personal
questions
or
whatever
at
a
city
council
meeting,
might
might
be
a
little
different,
but
but
if
we
had
them
on
the
work
session,
if
we
had
them
right
at
9am
at
the
beginning,
we
could
you
know
kind
of
guarantee
them
a
time
closer
time
frame,
but.
H
I
don't
wanna,
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
it's
not
important,
because
the
advisory
boards
are
important.
Now
we
don't
always,
you
know
rubber
stamp.
What
the
advisory
board
say.
That's
our
job
and
that's
our
prerogative
but,
like
I
said,
I've
been
doing
this
job
for
12
years
and
I'm
kind
of
of
the.
If
it
ain't
broke,
what
are
we
fixing?
H
N
You
know
I
I
appreciated
the
emails
that
I
got
from
people
that
want
to
be
on
an
advisory
board.
Maybe
we
should
have
them
do
that
as
well.
If
you
don't
can't
do
it
in
person
and
then,
with
the
contact
information
that
we
can,
we
can
call.
We
can
do
that
on
our
own
time
in
our
own
time.
I
don't
know
if
having
them
come
to
a
council
meeting.
N
You
know
right
then
make
a
decision.
You
know
who
loses
and
who,
who
wins
and
who
loses,
is
a
good
idea,
but
I
do
like
the
idea
of
of
hearing
from
them
if
they
really
want
to
be
on
a
board
and
do
public
service,
it's
nice
to
learn.
Why
and
that
can
happen
in
an
email
to
me
and
then,
if
I
want
to
respond,
you
know
a
way
that
I
can
send
it
back
as
a
response
or
give
them
a
call.
L
L
M
M
E
Council,
how
much
time
would
you
all
want
us
to
give
you
in
order
to
contact
the
the
applicants?
You
know
if
you.
E
Do
it
if
you're
getting
at
a
work
session,
and
you
can
contact
them
by
thursday,
but
if
you're,
given
a
number
higher
than
that,
do
you
feel
like
you
need
more
time
and
rose,
and
I
can
work
out
a
schedule
to
give
you
more
time
to
make
those
personal
contacts.
H
I'm
fine
with
a
week
too,
but
I
mean
you
know
up
until
now.
You
know
it's
kind
of
like
again
from
an
experience
standpoint
there's
never
been
anything
to
preclude
anybody
who
wants
to
be
on
an
advisory
board
from
contacting
us.
I
mean
the
email
we
all
received
an
email
from
sean
schroeder
regarding
the
abatement
airport
abatement
assignment,
there's
nothing
to
preclude
any
of
these
applicants
from
reaching
out
to
us
personally
either.
So
you
know,
yeah
sean
is
an
exception
to
the
rule.
Basically,
because
very
few
people
have
done
that.
H
But
but
again
you
know
it's
a
two-way
street.
Are
we
the
ones
that
supposed
to
reach
out,
or
you
know,
if
they're
truly
interested
in
being
on
it?
You
know
they
have
every
opportunity
to
tell
us
how
interested
they
are.
C
K
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
point
they
have
every
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
us
and
I
just
find
that
application
really
cursory
and
the
the
you
know.
I
think
I
think
the
applicants
can
do
far
better.
As
for,
why
do
you
want
to
serve
or
what
do
you
bring
to
it
or
whatever?
I
just
I,
and
I
was
thinking
that
if
we
saw
them
in
person,
we
could
have
a
little
different
judgment.
You
know
and
engage
them
in
a
conversation
about
what
they
understand
or
what
they'd
like
to
do.
K
Or
you
know
what
what
creative
ideas
are
you
going
to
bring
to
this
board?
I
mean
there's,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
responses
are
I
I
have
time
now
to
give
back
to
my
community
and
I'd
like
to
do
that.
Well,
like
blah.
What
is
that?
What
does
that
even
mean?
I
feel
like
an
english
teacher.
Where
are
your
details
supporting
details?
Examples
I
mean
you
know,
I
don't
know
I
just
I
I
just
I
you
know
and
then
to
go.
K
You
know
I
certainly
I
I
can
and
have
not
picked
up
the
phone
and
called
applicants
in
the
past
to
have
a
conversation
or
sit
down
with
them
in
person.
Sometime
kovid,
you
can't
do
that,
but
I
just
thought
it'd
be
easier
and
more
efficient
to
have
them
come
before
a
work
session.
Give
them
two
minutes
we
get
to.
You
know
what
it's
it's
in
the
whole
scheme
of
things.
It's
not
you
know
a
huge
issue
or
or
but
it's,
but
it's
a
place.
K
I
think
that
we
can
do
better
and
be
better
served
and-
and
you
know,
get
more
done.
C
Mean
I
think,
probably
what
we
need
is
people's
phone
numbers
so
that
the
council
members
can
do
their
own
due
diligence
and
reach
out
to
people
as
your
process.
I
mean
I
talk
to
people
when
they're
applying
for
boards
and
find
out
why
and
hopefully
in
most
cases
we
know
who
they
are,
but
we
can
continue
this
at
our
other
council
work
session
when
we
get
together,
but
I'm
not
hearing
any
I'm
not
really
hearing
any
direction
from
anybody
on
this.
That's
unanimous,
well,
one
other
voicemail.
N
One
other
footnote,
you
know
when
I
applied
for
the
cdb.
I
had
to
do
it
very
quickly,
so
I
wrote
out
my
form
and
I
remember
getting
when
they
were
talking
about
council.
N
N
I
try
not
to
have
a
you
know
predetermined,
try
to
when
I'm
reading
theirs,
but
I
mean
the
application
is
really
good.
They
they
have
the
board
preferences.
You
know
education,
what
their
occupation
is,
and
then
they
got
the
questionnaire
where
they
plenty
of
kind
of
an
insight
into
what
they're
do
you
know
what
they
really
think
that
they
bring
to
the
board
and
they
do
have
a
phone
number.
A
N
A
Z
Z
The
county
does
not
have
the
same
application
in
this
case
they
weren't
requiring
applications,
but
we
felt
it
would
be
best
in
the
best
interest
of
council
members
to
review
applications
to
determine
who
best.
So
he
what
I
did
receive
his
application
on
sunday,
I
included
originally
his
email
expressing
interest,
which
I
don't
think
his
had
much
in
it,
but
I
replaced
it
with
the
application.
Once
I
received
it.
Okay.
L
I'm
okay!
If
we
want
to
say
that
it's
our
responsibility
as
council
members
to
within
a
week
give
them
a
call
if
we
want
and
and
find
out
a
little
bit
more
about
them,
so
we're
better
informed
if
we
can't
bring
them
to
a
meeting
on
one
thursday
night
and
then
vote
two
weeks
later
on
it.
I'm
okay
with
us
having
a
little
time
to
do
our
homework.
A
K
Yeah,
so
I'm
super
excited
about
this.
Oh,
I
am
the
city,
I'm
the
representative
city
liaison
one
of
them
with
this
organization,
and
it's
paint
your
heart
out.
It's
a
volunteer
organization
comprised
of
the
city
of
clearwater
local
businesses,
community
groups
and
concerned
citizens.
We
had
our
first
meeting
on
friday
or
I
think
it
was
thursday
or
maybe
it
was
even
well.
It
was
last
week
it
was
wednesday.
That's
right.
I
got
at
my
notes,
they've
been
around
since
1991,
and
one
day
a
year.
K
K
All
the
work
sites
are
within
clearwater
and
the
reason
I'm
mentioning
at
today's
work
session
is
because
I've
been
asked
to
formally
invite
each
member
of
the
city
council
to
participate
in
this,
and,
in
particular,
our
council
member
hamilton
and
all
britain
and
bunker
are
invited
to
to
go
to
a
site
and
help
paint
a
house
and
promote
it,
and
then
mayor
hibbard
they're,
asking
if
you
can
and
you're
probably
used
to
this,
because
you
because
you've
been
there
before
but
they're,
asking
you
to
travel
and
visit
the
sites
during
that
morning
hours.
K
So
you
won't
really
be
working,
but
you'll
be
going
out
and
meeting
the
volunteers
and
taking
a
picture
and
supporting
their
efforts.
So
I
told
the
group
on
wednesday.
I
would
bring
it
up
during
our
work
session
to
invite
you
and
if
people
want
to
volunteer
in
the
community
they
can
email.
K
It's
pyhoc
that
stands
for
paint
your
heart
out
clearwater
and
it's
pyhoc,
paintmyhousegmail.com
and
I'll,
be
there
I'll
be
at
one
of
the
sites
with
a
paintbrush,
and
I
guess
I
understand
that
in
the
past
they've
had
a
big
pizza
party
or
food
celebration.
K
After
and
they
are
not
going
to
do
that
this
year
because
of
cobid,
but
there
will
be
these
goodie
bag
grab
bags
for
volunteers
to
take
after
their
finished
painting,
and
the
group
is
really
going
to
limit
the
number
of
volunteers
like
three
per
side
of
a
house
so
that
people
can
be
spaced
out
and
have
masks
on
and
be
safe.
K
So
it's
november
14th
saturday,
9
30
to
11
a.m
and
you're
all
invited.
C
A
C
D
C
K
K
Yeah,
so
this
one's
a
little
just
a
little
more
complex.
So
after
I
became
elected,
I'm
a
member
of
the
homeless
leadership
alliance,
which
is
under
this
umbrella
organization,
now
called
it's.
Countywide
called
the
continuum
of
care,
and
this
is
the
sole
county-wide
applicant.
K
The
federal
housing
hud
agency
currently
has
policies
that
have
been
in
place
since
2012
that
protect
transgender
people's
access
to
gender-specific
facilities,
and
so
this
is
a
federal,
equal
access
rule
of
2012
ensured
that
hud's
community
development
and
planning
programs,
which
that's
where
we
get
those
funds
under
that
continuum
of
care,
are
open
to
all
eligible
individuals
and
families,
regardless
of
their
sexual
orientation,
their
gender
identity
or
their
marital
status.
So
that
was
in
2012
and
then
in
2016.
K
The
federal
equal
access
rule
was
further
clarified
that
these
protections
were
granted
to
an
individual
based
on
their,
and
this
is
key
on
their
self-expressed
gender
identity.
So
these
are
transgender
people
who
may
present
as
female,
but
genetic
biologically
they
may
be
male.
So
that's
what
was
affirmed
in
2016.
K
right
now.
The
federal
government
is
reviewing
a
rule
change
to
allow
those
agencies
that
supply
that
get
federal
funds
to
discriminate
against
people
based
on
their
stated,
gender,
their
self-expressed
gender
identity
and
this
homeless
leadership
alliance
and
the
continuum
of
care
board
unanimously
feels
that
that's
not
appropriate
that
we
should
not
be
discriminating
against
people
based
on
what
they
self-identify
as
their
gender,
for
example.
This
would
be
under
emergency
shelter
situations
or
where
we
have
different
shelters.
K
You
know
different
rooms
for
males
or
females
gender
identity
identified,
and
if
someone
walks
in
and
says,
I'm
a
female
and
the
person
doing
some
intake
looks
them
over
and
says
yeah.
I
don't
think
so.
Are
you
really
and
asks
kind
of
invasive
or
humiliating
or
embarrassing
questions
that
that's
not
allowed?
And
so
I
wrote
a
letter
in
august
late
august
to
the
the
housing
and
urban
development
legal
department
to
encourage
them
not
to
make
this
rule
modification
and
other
people
within.
K
You
know
this
in
that
homeless,
leadership
alliance
and
the
continuum
of
care
wrote
letters
as
well,
and
then
at
my
last
meeting
with
my
continuum
of
care
group,
I
learned
that
the
city
of
saint
pete
drafted
a
resolution
to
say
that
they
are
in
support
of
the
existing
protections
and
they
do
not
support
a
rollback
of
those
projections
for
transgender
people.
And
so
I
was.
I
have
that
language
from
the
city
of
saint
pete
their
resolution.
K
I
shared
that
with
our
city
attorney,
and
I
was
just
hoping
that
we
as
a
city
could
make
a
similar
resolution
statement
that
we
are
fully
in
support
of
equal
rights
and
protections
for
transgender
individuals
in
our
community.
K
C
D
C
A
J
J
K
Well,
I
was
I
I
do
understand
that,
and
I
and
I
you
know
I
will
state
you
know
openly
that
I
am
still
in
my
long
learning
curve
as
a
council
member,
where
I
wrote
my
letter
and
got
it
in
within
time.
I
understand
that
I
didn't
realize
that
saint
pete
was
doing
that
resolution,
so
that
was
new,
but
the
comment
period
I
know,
is
closed
on
september
22nd,
but
can't
we
make
a
city
resolution
that
just
they
haven't
made
their
decision.
K
J
K
J
J
N
N
J
I
have
obtained
the
hud
backup
information,
which
is
basically
the
rule
statement
and
a
summary,
and
if
you'd
like
us
to
send
that
to
you,
we
can.
That
explains
the
purpose
of
the
rule
and
why
hud
feels
that
it's
appropriate.
This
is
this
is
the
hud
side.
This
is
not
a
balanced
analysis
if
you
will,
but
this
is
the
rule
statement,
so
I
can
send
that
to
you.
C
Okay,
I'd
like
to
read
that,
and
we
could
take
this
back
up
on
thursday
councilmember
hamilton.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add,
seeing
as
you
won't
be
there.
H
K
Can
I
share
information
with
our
city
attorney
that
came
to
me
statistical
data
through
the
continuum
of
care
that
supports
an
opposition
of
this,
so
that
we've
got
some
balanced
information
there
and
then
she
can
distribute
it.
L
I
I
have
a
couple
of
friends
who
are
transgender
one
of
them
recently
passed
away.
Well,
it's
been
a
year
or
two,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
anyone
who
has
faced
this
has
done
it
to
be
able
to
get
in
with
the
girls.
L
I
think
there's
much
deeper,
more
emotional
reasonings
for
for
this,
so
I
do
fully
support
gay
and
trans
issues.
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
pass
a
resolution
or
not
about
it,
but
having
spent
most
of
my
life
as
an
actor,
I
certainly
have
had
my
share
of
gay
friends
and
I
consider
myself
I'm
not
gay
myself,
but
I'm
gay
adjacent.
L
So
I
I
love
musicals,
but
I
just
love
ladies
too,
but
I
I
would
like
to
show.
C
Okay,
we'll
miss
aiken
if
you
could
distribute
the
information
to
the
rest
of
the
council,
we'll
take
this
up
at
the
end
of
the
thursday
meeting.