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A
Bruce
Huff
district
3,
Evelyn
Turner
pew
mayor
pro-tem
and
district
4
Charmaine
Crabb
district
5,
Gary
Allen
district
6,
Mimi,
Woodson
district
7
walker,
garrett,
district
8,
judy
thomas
post,
9,
at-large,
counselor
john
house
post
10,
at-large,
councillor
Sandra,
Davis,
Clerk
of
Council
and
City
Attorney,
Clifton
faith,
Columbus
Georgia.
This
is
your
City
Council.
B
Thank
you
for
being
here
welcome
to
the
July
30th
council
work
session
any
month
that
has
five
Tuesday's
in
it.
We
reserve
the
last
for
a
work
session
so
that
council
can
dive
a
little
deeper
into
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
on
a
regular
basis.
We
do
typically
run
a
consent
agenda.
We'll
wait
till
we
get
a
quorum
here
to
bring
that
up,
but
we
will
start
like
we
always
do,
and
that
is
by
asking
God's
blessing
on
our
proceedings.
C
You
mayor
join
me
in
prayer
god
we
thank
you
for
all
the
blessings
you
bestow
upon
us.
We
come
to
you
now
asking
your
guidance
as
we
deliberate
the
business
of
the
city
or
the
citizens
of
Columbus
Georgia.
We
ask
you
to
bless
all
those
who
are
present
and
their
families
continue
to
watch
over
us
as
we
do
the
work
of
the
city.
Thank
you
again
for
all
you
do
for
us
in
Jesus
name,
Amen.
Thank.
B
D
Great,
my
name
is
Wario
Walker
and
I'm
going
to
the
fourth
grade.
My
name
is
Alana
Williams
and
I
go
and
I'm
going
to
a
3rd
grade.
My
name
is
Noah
and
I
won
the
second
grade.
My
name
is
Connie
and
I'm
going
to
first
grade.
My
name
is
Maura
and
roundest
third
grade.
My
name
is
I
am
going
to
so
great.
My
name
is
Riley
I'm
going
to
the
deck.
B
B
B
H
H
I
J
K
You
follow
up
yes,
mayor,
I,
dunno,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
with
some
conversation
last
week
or
not,
but
I
personally
have
some
concerns
about
the
matter:
I'm,
not
anti
scoot
or
anything
like
that.
But
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
implement
a
period
well,
this
is
I.
Guess
we're
calling
a
moratorium,
but
it's
more
like
a
trial
period.
If
we're
going
to
do
that,
my
question
would
be:
do
we
have
some
minimal
regulations
that
can
help
during
this
period
or
we're
just
going
to
turn
everybody
loose
and
it's
a
free-for-all.
K
Can
anybody
ride
the
scooters
or
they
right
on
the
sidewalks
on
the
road
on
the
crosswalks?
We
just
had
some
serious
incidents
in
the
Uptown
area.
Dealing
with
crosswalks
or
you
know,
cleanup
matters
and
all
who's
going
to
be
responsible
for
those
kind
of
things
and
and
helmets
for
safety
purposes
at
all,
I
mean
we're
we're
reading
in
the
headlines
every
day
about
matters
happening
dealing
with
these
scooter.
So
I'm
just
asking:
are
there
any
minimal
regulations
during
this
period,
or
is
it
just?
Let's
see
how
this
works
and,
let's
see
what
happens.
J
Councillor
Davis
way,
the
way
the
MOU
is
being
structured.
Now
it
does
address
things
like
you
cannot
write
on
the
sidewalks.
You
have
to
be
a
certain
age
to
act.
You
tried
to
have
have
the
operation
capability
for
that
that
scooter
lime
has
that
there's
no
real
requirement
for
helmets.
That
line
is
working
toward
an
educational
component.
That's
oh
they've
told
me
anyway
that
they
will
encourage
any.
Maybe
you
provide
helmets
to
riders
in
the
area
itself,
as
we
discussed
I.
J
Think
last
time
also
was
the
fact
that
we
were
going
to
limit
about
where
these
scooters
could
actually
ride,
we're
in
the
midst
now
of
putting
that
map
together
and
finalizing
it
and
making
sure
that
lime
understands
that
these
are
certain
areas
they
can
ride.
Only
these
certain
areas
and
then
again
it's
videos
for
before
at
night,
a
period
test
period
really
to
see
how
this
actually
works
it.
Does
it
really
make
them
make
sense
to
do
this?
Is
it
not?
What
kind
of
problems
we're
gonna
have
I?
J
Think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
with
it
with
the
trial
period
rather
than
just
saying
just
blanket
prohibited
mile
all
over
I
think
we
need
at
least
at
least
give
it
some
kind
of
option
here
in
terms
of
seeing
what
it
could
do
or
couldn't
do
for
the
community
and
line
understands
as
well.
Well,.
K
Just
so
everybody
know,
I
think
I
stated
earlier
I'm
still
a
little
uncomfortable
with
this
I
think
all
this
stuff
needs
to
be
worked
out
on
the
front
end.
When
I
hear
you
say
it
makes
me
uncomfortable
that
it's
a
work
in
progress.
Meanwhile,
the
scooters
are
out
there
in
operation
and
no
telling
what
could
happen
so
I
think
those
are
things
that
need
to
be
worked
on.
K
We're
learning
from
other
cities
what's
taking
place
what's
happening
again,
I
said
I'm,
not
against
scooters.
All
I
think
it
could
be
a
great
thing,
but
I
think
you
need
to
spell
it
out
real
clear
and
how
we're
going
to
do
this.
We
don't
have
the
extra
services
to
handle
a
lot
of
cleanup
or
incidents,
or
things
like
that.
That
might
happen.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
know
who's
gonna
be
in
charge
of
all
this
stuff.
When,
when
that
happens,
is
uptown
gonna
take
the
responsibility.
K
J
C
Thank
You
mayor
I
had
similar
questions
to
councillor
Davis
I.
Guess
if
you
could,
when
you
come
back
talk
about
the
policing
of
the
MOU
who
would
be
charged
with
that,
I
would
hope
it
would
be
uptown
with,
but
they're
there
folks
and
then
also
limit
the
number
of
scooters
being
used.
I
would
like
to
see
I,
don't
want
300
downtown
running
around
it
it
anyway.
That's
just
me,
I'm
sure,
you'll
educate
us
on
that
aspect
of
it.
When
you
come
back
Thank,
You
mayor,
yes,
sir
councillor.
L
Okay,
and
it's
it's
my
understanding
when
I
spoke
with
Clifton
about
this
moratorium,
that
the
reason
why
we're
having
the
moratorium
is
so
that
it
doesn't
get
out
of
hand
so
that
we're
just
working
with
one
one
company
and
creating
the
MOU
and
or
not
allowing
other
companies
so
I
feel
like
this
ordinance
is
kind
of
preventing
some
of
the
things
that
were
afraid
of,
or
at
least
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
work
within
some
boundaries
so
that
it
doesn't
get
out
of
hand.
So
I
I
think
this
is
kind
of
a
responsible
ordinance.
Well.
B
You're
right,
I
think
that
what
this
moratorium
does
it
keeps
people
from
just
coming
in
from
another
company
and
dumping
scooters
downtown
and
let
them
go
which
they
have
done
in
other
other
other
communities.
This
way,
we
basically
deny
access
to
any
scooter
companies,
except
for
the
one.
If
we
decide
to
go
forward
with
a
test
period,
councillor
Thomas
I.
I
Example,
I
think
we
need
to
make
a
distinction
and
a
councillor
Allen.
You
spoke
about
this
300
bikes.
If
you
tell
a
company,
they
can
have
300
bikes.
Does
that
mean
a
total
of
300
bikes,
or
does
that
mean
300
bikes
on
the
street
and
in
order
to
have
300
bikes
on
the
street,
we
need
400
bikes.
You
know
that
sort
of
thing
so
I'm,
assuming
that
we
need
to
get
that
to
you
fairly
quickly.
If
there
are
issues
that
we
are
as
council
is
concerned
about,
yes,.
I
B
K
B
J
M
And
that
is
the
concern
that
we
have
the
immediate
concern,
mr.
mayor
and
if
other
councillors
come
in,
they
may
be
supportive
of
the
ordinance
and
bring
it
back
later
and
do
understand.
Councillor
Davis
is
concerned,
but
what,
without
this
ordinance,
if
they
decide
to
come
and
dump
one
thousand
two
more,
you
can't
stop
and
that's
you're
responsible
in
my
opinion,
I
think.
B
K
Doing
and
lack
of
conversation
in
detail
conversation
on
this
matter.
What
I'm
understands
more
time
to
do
business
with
one
company
so
the
way
I
understand?
Is
they
grow
even
in
the
door
to
do
business
with
the
one
company?
It's
a
moratorium
on
everyone
else
or
am
I
reading
that
wrong.
It's
a
moratorium
on
the
hunter
you're,
not
doing
any
business
480
180
days
or
in
order
to
get
these
regulations
worked
out.
What
are
we
doing
here?
Just.
H
What
this
180
day
moratorium
would
maintaining
the
status
quo
with
nobody
been
able
to
come
in
and
get
a
business
license
for
any
number
of
scooters
on
the
streets
and
allow
this
council
to
look
at
in
this
case,
one
trial
period
with
one
company,
with
a
certain
number
of
scooters
in
a
certain
area
and
decide
whether
you
want
to
allow
these
things
in
the
future.
In
a
certain
area
of
Columbus
or
as
some
cities
have
done,
ban
them
all
together.
B
K
I
Would
seem
that
perhaps
if
we
accept
the
180
day
moratorium
today,
mr.
C
manager,
I
don't
know,
maybe
we
need
to
slow
down
the
test
period
instead
of
doing
that
and
have
some
conversation
about
some
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
would
want
to
see
in
the
test
period
itself,
mm-hmm
go
ahead
and
approve
the
more.
This
ordinance
would
allow
us
to
approve
the
moratorium,
and
it
says
that,
except
for
test
programs
authorized
by
council,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
a
test
program.
August
13th,.
M
O
M
I
M
I
don't
want
him
in
Columbus,
but
when
they
did
a
demonstration
I
felt
like
we
need
to
have
some
rules
and
make
sure
they
all
cannot
just
descend
on
us
like
they've
done
out
the
cities
and
I
felt
like
because
of
Millennials
and
what
they
like.
We
ought
to
at
least
test
it
in
and
give
it
a
try,
but
I
think
he
said,
and
they
know
that
scooters
was
not
and
still
it's
not
I'm,
not
convinced
it's
something
I
want
to
do,
but
it
deserves.
M
I
B
H
B
I'm
sorry
thank
you
motion
and,
second,
to
approve
the
minutes.
Any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
all
right
and
as
we
go
before
we
get
into
the
work
session.
I
wanted
to
make
a
very
quick
announcement
to
counsel
and
to
the
public
counsel,
wisely
and
courageously
left
money
in
the
budget
to
make
a
significant
move
forward
on
removing
dilapidated
housing
and
some
of
the
biggest
targets
that
we
had
noticed
where
some
of
these
burned
out
trailer
parks.
I
B
4325
hold
caseta
road
and
you
should
have
received
a
copy
double
pressing
them
yeah.
So
if
so
check
your
check,
your
email,
if
you
didn't,
will
resend
it
today.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
counsel.
If
they're
able
can
attend
we'll
have
some
of
the
neighbors
out
there
I
know
one
of
the
churches
that's
been
active
in.
That
area
will
be
there
as
well.
So
we're.
M
Manager,
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
good
morning
got
seven
items
on
the
agenda.
Some
of
them
are
should
be
very
a
brief
mayor.
We
know
knew
that
you
had
another
engagement,
so
we
tried
to
put
some
light
stuff
on
first.
Give
you
a
chance
to
make
it
back,
but
engineering,
director,
Dunn
and
Newman
is
going
to
give
an
update
on
levy
road
closure
and
then
she's
going
to
do
a
short
update
on
13th
Street,
and
so
we
have
our
engineering
director,
Donna
Newman
with
us
this
morning.
Thank.
P
Short
update
on
levy
Road,
as
some
of
you
councillors
may
remember,
I
know
we
have
some
new
ones.
In
2017
we
began
discussions
and
working
with
the
owner
of
Gus's
drive-in.
They
were
looking
toward
the
closure
of
the
business
and
had
an
interesting
party
at
their
for
their
particular
location.
At
that
time.
During
that
discussion,
it
was
discovered
that
a
portion
of
levy
Road
was
actually
on
their
property,
not
owned
by
the
city.
So
this
discussions
began
about
potential
closure
of
that
portion
of
levy
Road
in
2018
January.
P
We
had
a
public
meeting,
we
owned
in
attendance,
but
it
was
pretty
much
decided.
It
would
be
minimal
impact
that
portion
of
levy
Road
serves
primarily
the
businesses
along
that
road.
There
there
is
some
minimal
cut
through
traffic.
Currently,
a
resolution
was
brought
to
Council
in
March
of
2018,
given
us
the
authority
to
close
the
road,
but
it
included
a
requirement
that
we
construct
a
cul-de-sac.
P
So
in
2019
we
were
contacted
again
by
a
potential
purchaser
of
the
property
and
the
adjoining
property
for
another
type
business,
and
so
we
began
working
together
to
see
if
we
could
come
up
with
a
design
of
a
cul-de-sac
that
would
work
with
the
design
of
their
particular
business.
If
you'll
note
on
this
particular
drawing
the
hatched
out
area
is
the
OT
right-of-way
that
belongs
to
the
state
and
federal
government.
P
Well,
if
you'll
notice,
with
the
hatched
out
area
that
portion
to
the
north
is
own
state
right-of-way,
so
we
sent
it
to
the
state
to
get
their
input
and
they
have
expressed
concern
and
request
that
we
get
it
off
the
right-of-way.
So
going
back
to
the
potential
purchaser
of
the
property,
we
looked
at
it
again
and
there's
just
no
way
to
get
a
full-color
sight
in
there
without
impact
to
the
business
or
development
of
that
light.
So
I'm
here
today
to
request
the
closure
of
the
road
without
a
coal
decide
again
most
of
the
road.
P
B
N
P
P
P
L
B
B
I
M
C
B
O
P
Update
on
13th
Street,
just
as
a
reminder
for
those
that
may
not
have
been
on
council
at
the
time
in
May
of
2017,
the
city
and
partnership
with
Midtown
did
a
test
of
the
closure
of
lanes
along
13th
Street,
and
we
determined
at
that
time
through
measuring
travel
times
and
traffic
that
it
was
minimal
impact.
So
the
the
plan
at
that
time
was
when
do
T.
P
They
had
a
project
to
resurface
that
portion
of
13th
Street
all
the
way
out
to
Macon
Road
in
the
Reese
Road
area,
and
we
were
going
to
come
back
and
restrike
that
for
removing
a
lane
and
then
add
parking
back
to
the
businesses
that
the
concern
was
with
the
amount
of
traffic
and
the
speed
of
the
traffic
coming
through
that
area.
There
was
an
impact
to
those
buildings
and
they
couldn't
retain
business
in
those
buildings.
At
the
time.
So
Council
passed
a
resolution
in
February
of
2018
agreeing.
P
There
was
discussions
at
the
time
with
the
d-o-t
contractor,
because,
typically
in
a
resurfacing
contract,
there
is
a
method
to
raise
the
infrastructure
or
the
manholes
and
valve
covers,
and
that
sort
of
thing
of
the
utilities.
Well,
it
was
not
included
in
the
in
the
contract,
so
they
delayed
the
contract
to
start
negotiations
to
either
work
with
the
contractor,
to
put
it
back
in
his
bed
or
working
with
the
individual
utilities.
Well,
we
were
notified
within
the
last
month
actually
that
this
project
has
been
delayed
again
because
of
the
cost,
the
added
cost.
P
P
M
B
M
M
I
believe
for
30
years
or
so,
and
he
is
the
boots
on
the
ground
and
project
manager
for
construction
projects
for
the
state
of
Georgia
and
those
projects
may
be
all
over
the
state
and
he
provided
an
update
on
what
they're
doing
with
the
supreme
appellate
court.
How
they're
doing
it
the
method
that
they're
using
and
initially
he
said
it,
wasn't
going
to
give
recommendations,
and
he
said
I
am
going
to
give
you
recommendations.
If
you
recall,
and
so
I
asked
CC
gtv
to
pull
a
three
or
four
minute
snapshot
of
what
mr.
Q
This
may
be
the
most
important
slide
that
that
I
share
you.
We
utilize
three
different
project,
delivery
methods
and
I'll
start
at
the
bottom,
the
one
the
bottoms
called
design-bid-build.
That's
where
it's.
What
most
of
this
country
was
built
with?
You
hire
a
design
team.
They
develop
a
first
set
of
plans
and
specs.
You
put
those
plans
and
specs
out
to
bid.
You
receive
a
bid
from
the
contractor.
The
low
bid
gets
the
project
as
long
as
they're
qualified.
Q
Q
The
screen
all
right,
thank
you.
We
also
did
a
physical
mock-up
of
one
of
the
courtrooms
in
the
Georgia
World
Congress
Center,
during
a
where
they
want
bizzy's.
The
design
I
would
I
would
make
sure
your
design
professional
has
the
capabilities
of
doing
that.
The
advantage
is,
is
you
can
identify
clash,
detection
xin
the
design
during
that
process,
and
they
can
also
do
some
animation,
like
some
key
spaces
or
some
virtual
reality,
so
that
you
can
experience
the
building
before
it
gets
it
gets
built.
Q
So
I
want
to
show
you
an
example
of
that,
so
this
is
our
atrium,
so
the
atrium
is
nowhere
close
to
being
completed
like
this,
but
you
can
see
through
this
animation.
You
can
get
a
good
feel
for
what
the
atrium
and
what
the
interior
of
that
building
is
going
to
look
like
this
is
the
appellate
court
room.
Q
Q
Q
Q
M
G
Morning,
mayor
in
council-
and
we
have
a
couple
presentations
related
to
the
government
center
first
one
to
talk
about
the
planning
process
and
the
update
for
that
we've
really
kind
of
talked
about
how
we
move
forward
and
plan
for
the
government
center,
reviewing
the
options
being
able
to
provide
cost
associated
with
those
options.
So
what
we're
proposing
to
move
forward
with
is
to
utilize
the
same
design
team,
a
construction
manager
and
project
manager
throughout
the
process.
G
G
So
our
proposal
is
to
issue
an
RFQ
immediately
for
design
services
to
include
the
utilization
of
a
judicial
consultant,
and
this
would
be
a
two-phase
contract,
first
phase,
being
the
planning
pre-construction
portion
and
then,
if
a
successful
splice
vote
would
move
on
to
provide
the
design
services
for
the
project
itself
again
to
issue
an
RFQ
to
get
a
construction
manager
on
board
for
both
phases
of
that
process.
Both
the
pre-construction
planning
to
have
input
into
that
process,
as
well
as
to
provide
the
construction
services
moving
forward.
If
a
SPLOST
vote
is
successful,
councillor.
C
G
C
G
C
Mayor
and
city
manager
and
council
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
ask
questions
so
that
the
public,
oh
yeah,
absolutely
really
understands
the
direction
we're
headed
in
and
why
we're
taking
the
steps
where
we
are,
and
so
that's
I'm
not
trying
to
be
adversarial
I'm.
Just
trying
to
you
know,
have
everything
transparent.
Absolutely
ask
all
the
questions
that
somebody
at
home
may
be
thinking
that,
of
course,
some
of
the
questions
I
ask.
They
may
not
be
finished.
C
B
Just
gonna
say
that
I
think
that
I
think
that
this
is
gonna
be
a
very
deliberate
process
and
the
input
of
counsel
and
in
the
comments
and
the
questions
are
critical
to
making
sure
that
we
we
follow
a
path
that
is
an
expedient
path.
At
the
same
time,
it's
kind
of
like
moving
moving
slowly
with
haste,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
touching
all
the
bases,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
asking
the
questions.
My
personal
thoughts
on
that
were
that
it
only.
B
We
only
have
one
individual
to
hold
accountable,
because
we're
gonna
hold
that
design
team
accountable
for
how
they
manage
to
judicial
consultant
and
to
me
that
just
seemed
easier
and
cleaner
than
us,
giving
instructions
or
getting
feedback
from
one
group
and
then
us
running
to
the
other
group.
This
way
we
have
done
the
due
diligence
on
the
front
end.
They
have
to
be
sharp
with
their
pencil
because
they're
competing
for
the
business
and
then
it's
up
to
them
to
make
sure
that
that
judicial
consultant
works
so
but
either
way,
I
think
I.
L
M
L
G
Architect
would
be
the
the
lead
in
the
design
team
and
they
would
bring
on
multiple
subs
they're
going
to
have
to
have
we're
recommending
to
include
the
judicial
consultant,
but
they'll
have
mechanical
and
structural
and
and
information
technology
and
security
subs
to
help
with
that
process.
So
they'll
have
multiple
subs,
but
we'll
have
one
vendor.
That's
accountable
to
us.
Okay,.
O
I
I
G
M
O
I
M
M
Recognized
judicial,
consulting
firms
out
there
and
because
one
question
I
asked
the
judge
when
we
met
with
him
y'all,
because
I
wanted
to
know
if
the
judge
had
a
preference
of
one
judicial
consulting
firm
over
another
and
so
but
I
didn't.
Your
question
turned
the
light
on
for
me
that
we
need
to
be
careful
to
make
sure
we're
very
clear
about
that
and
I.
I
Think
that,
with
what
we've
been
talking
about
for
the
facility
itself,
a
large
portion
of
that,
however,
we
do
that
that
one
building
those
two
buildings
are.
However,
we
do
that
is
going
to
be
judicial
in
nature.
It's
going
to
be
courtrooms
and
conference
rooms
and
judges,
offices,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I
think
that
it's,
we
can't
think
of
the
judicial
consultant
as
an
afterthought.
I
They
are
probably
I
think
we
probably
could
do
without
a
consultant
on
the
administrative
part
of
the
building
much
much
easier
than
we
could
only
not
have
one
on
the
judicial
part.
I
do
think
too
that
we
that
all
of
these
folks
need
to
work
together,
I've
seen
instances
where
you
have
someone
design
it
and
somebody
else
who
has
no
connection
at
all,
build
it
and
the
Builder
the
designer
designed
something
that
is
magnificent
and
either
not
costly
or
very
costly
and
the
Builder
comes
in
to
build
it
and
there's
the.
I
G
And,
and
that's
one
of
the
things,
as
you
heard
mr.
Woodward
state,
that
the
judicial
consultant
is
extremely
important
for
that
particular
reason:
the
planning
of
those
office
spaces,
the
courtroom,
spaces
and
the
projection
into
the
future.
It's
extremely
important,
as
well
as
the
CM
at
risk,
which
is
a
more
collaborative
effort
between
the
design
team
and
the
construction
manager
as
they're
moving
towards
that
end
product
and.
I
And
I
know
that
I
would
assume
that
one
of
the
things
that
this
consultant
does
is
to
talk
with
the
judges
and
the
people
who
are
doing
are
in
the
business
about
what
they
want.
On
the
other
hand,
if
this
judicial
consultant
is
worth
their
salt
they're
going
to
know
new
techniques,
new
technology,
you
know
those
kinds
of
things
that
the
judges
may
not
be
aware
of
to
to
put
into
the
building
to
make
sure
that
you
know.
I
We
talked
the
other
day
about
the
lawyers
offices,
all
damn
close
to
the
courthouse
right
now,
and
the
ability
for
attorneys
to
file
paperwork
and
whatever
electronically,
and
that
sort
of
thing
the
judicial
consultant
will
have
all
of
that
knowledge
in
background.
If
we're
going
to
hire
them.
Thank
you
and.
B
Just
and
you
mentioned
something
that
before
I
go
to
counsel
Davis,
just
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
we're
still
going
to
engage
with
the
both
the
judges
and
the
attorneys.
In
fact,
we'll
be
inviting
counsel.
We've
got
a
I
think
we've
got
a
meeting
set
up
to
go
to
the
local
bar
association
and
and
hear
their
concerns
and
talk
to
them
about
about
this
very
fluid
ongoing
process
and
we'll
be
will
be
including
counsel
in
that
as
well.
Well,.
K
Davis
yeah
Thank
You
mayor
I
just
want
to
want
to
share
some
thoughts
on
this
and
one
I'm,
just
gonna
say
I'm,
not
you
know
being
in
development
myself,
I
mean
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
consultants,
but
I
will
admit
that
they
serve
a
purpose.
Okay,
and
sometimes
you
know,
things
can
get
costly.
When
you
go
that
route
and
they
can
get
out
of
hand,
it
can
get
big
and
that's.
The
key
here
is
controlling
all
that.
So
we
use
the
term
before
sometimes
too
many
cooks
in
the
kitchen
and
I
can't
happen.
K
You
talk
too
many
people,
everybody's
got
a
perspective
and
idea,
and
things
get
big
and
out
of
hand,
but
I
do
think
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
good
people
on
staff
that
know
what
we
need
were
not
in
Atlanta
we're,
not
a
big
city
of
where
we're
Columbus,
and
we
somewhat
have
a
footprint
already
of
the
services
that
we
provide.
You
may
have
need
to
add
a
little
here
there,
but
we
already
kind
of
know
that,
and
we've
got
some
people
that
are
already
on
board.
They
have
a
good
understanding
of
this
matter.
K
Of
fact,
I've
seen
plans
and
prints
and
layouts
and
already
of
all
this
so
I
would
probably
concede
to
the
fact
that
if,
if
we
go
with
a
judicial
planning
consultant-
and
although
the
everybody
knows
they're
several
out
there,
you
can
get
a
complete
firm
that
provides
a
multi-facet
level
of
services
from
contracting
to
architectural,
sir,
all
the
way
through
to
the
planning
or
you
can
go
with
just
the
planner
and
then
go
a
different
route.
There's
different
routes
that
you
can
take
here.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
thought
process
in
this.
K
If
we're
gonna
look
at
all
of
it,
I
know
councillor
Allen
kind
of
touched
on
it
about
a
bid,
but
the
clock
is
ticking.
I
mean
we
got
to.
We
got
to
move
on
this,
but
anybody
and
let
me
go
back
with
the
Judicial
Service
I-
think
that
could
get
a
little
complicated
okay
and
we
may
want
to
look
into
the
future
and
you
know,
and
I
would
yield
to
probably
trying
to
understand
exactly
the
square
footage
and
what
the
needs
are.
I.
K
Think
if
you
go
online,
you'll
understand
that
these
things
are
already
laid
out.
They're
somewhat
cookie
cutters
already
laid
out
I
mean
we
don't
need
what
the
Supreme
Court
of
Georgia
has,
but
you
know
we
can
get
by
with
facilities
here
and
a
lot
of
its
going
to
access
around
how
you
finish
these
things,
that's
why
your
cost
is
is
in
your
FF&E
and
your
finishing
it
all
I
mean
this.
If
you
take,
for
example,
this
would
be
a
beautiful
courtroom.
Okay,
so
you've
somewhat
got
pieces
of
the
puzzle
here
in
how
you
do
things.
K
You
know
it's.
This
is
not
very
costly.
Some
of
that
stuff
we
saw
on
the
screen
is
tremendously
costly,
but
you
still
can
get
by
and
make
it
happen,
and
everybody
can
be
be
happy.
Those
are
things
that
I
hope
that
we
take
in
consideration,
along
with
the
information,
the
feedback.
That's
given
to
the
the
consultant.
K
Once
we
established
that
and
I
don't
look
at
it
as
being
too
much
beyond
the
square
footage
and
what
we
already
have
you
may
want
to
clean
it
up.
Some
of
the
courts
can
get
smaller
some
of
them.
You
know:
we've
got
some
pretty
big
courts
over
there
at
the
at
the
government
center,
so
I'll
kind
of
yield
to
that.
K
But
it's
key,
the
footprint
is
gonna,
be
you
can't
really
engage
me
by
until
you
really
understand
the
footprint
and
all
this,
in
other
words,
we're
okay
and
that's
gonna,
tell
you
what
you
can
work
with
and
how
they
can
weigh
it
out.
You
may
want
I,
don't
I'm,
not
a
fan
of
one
building
or
two
buildings.
I!
Think
that
this
thing
we
really
need
to
discuss
three
four
five
builders.
K
The
annex
other
things
that
need
to
be
looked
at
too.
It's
not
just
a
government
synergy
we'll
build,
and
you
know
and
saying
that
and
trying
to
keep
it
short
here.
I
think
let
me
just
pose
this
idea
out
there
I
think
we've
got
a
chance
here.
This
city
has
a
chance
to
change
the
whole
character
of
our
community.
K
Okay,
if
it's
done
right,
I,
don't
think
ever
before
in
in
our
city
that
we
ever
had
the
chance
to
deploy
you're
talking,
you
know,
depending
on
what
we
do
close
to
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
capital,
I'll
call
a
counselor,
but
that
kind
of
resources
you
have
a
chance
to
deploy
that.
Can
you
imagine
mixing
that
with
all
the
other
development?
That's
in
the
pipeline
in
the
private
sector?
Can
you
imagine
just
marrying
all
that
up
and
making
it
work?
We
got
a
chance
to
do
something
really
really
fantastic
in
our
community.
K
They've
got
a
chance
to
to
do
things
in
in
areas
and
districts
that
need
a
jumpstart.
This
could
be
the
catalyst
to
make
that
happen.
This
could
be
the
catalyst
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
private
sector.
There's
gonna
be
parking
and
things
that
that
can
be
jointly
shared
and
making
new
development
to
come
in
that
we've
got
an
opportunity
to
do
you
know
if
it's
placed
right,
you
got
an
opportunity
to
to
really
jumpstart
development
in
our
community.
That's
a
win
versus!
K
K
Maybe
we
ought
to
start
looking
this
as
a
redevelopment
spark
plug
that's
going
to
energize
our
city
and
really
change
the
face
and
character
of
our
city.
You
got
an
opportunity
to
do
some
fantastic
things
here,
not
only
with
traffic
patterns
and
new
buildings
mix
them.
They
love
the
old
buildings
that
you
can
jump-start
get
some
regional,
the
building's
going
people
gonna
wanna,
invest
when
they
see
that
kind
of
capital
going
on
the
ground.
They're
gonna
want
to
get
Bob
part
of
it.
You
know
that's
what
to
get
excited
about.
K
So
you
know
where
is
the
big
key
and
I
think
any
consultant
is
going?
They
just
can't
start
drawing
in
square
footage
or
whatever,
until
they
figure
out
what
they
have
when
you've
one
building
two
buildings,
three
buildings,
you
know:
what
do
we
have
to
work
with?
I
mean
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
answer.
I'm
gonna
tell
you
I
think,
though,
just
the
I
think
we've
already
most
of
us
are
leaning
in
direction
of
the
new
site
and
new
buildings,
honestly,
the
more
and
more
I
dissect.
K
This
thing,
that's
really
the
only
option
you
have
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
that
this
you
know
now,
but
if
anybody
would
like
talk
about
share
my
thoughts
with
you
on
that,
there's
just
several
several
factors
that
you're
not
gonna
be
able
to
overcome.
So
it
does
make
sense
to
spread
this
out
and
I'll.
Tell
you
another
thing:
we've
got
an
opportunity
as
a
city,
okay,
to
really
look
at
our
operational
cost,
maybe
even
change
our
budget.
Our
operating
budget,
you
know
reduce
it.
We
can
maybe
reduce
our
budget
by
several
million.
K
If
we
do
it
the
right
way,
so
I,
like
those
kind
of
things
that
takes
the
burden
off
the
future
generations,
you
know
I
have
to
take
out
debt
on
this
thing
going
with
the
spots
you
don't
have
to
take
out
debt
and
pass
that
on
to
other
people.
It
could
be
paid
for
and
we
can
learn
from
things
in
the
past
challenges
in
the
past,
about
maintenance
and
capital
improvements
and
things
like
that.
Everything
deteriorates
everything
depreciates
we're
seeing
that
right
now
at
a
rapid
pace
in
our
community.
It's
just
gonna
happen.
K
Maybe
we
can
do
like
you
know,
I'll
call
it
a
reserve
for
lack
of
better
purposes
that
can
better
terms
that
can
take
care
of
some
of
these
future
calls
that
we're
dealing
with
now
and
they're
not
going
away
they're
gonna
get
bigger,
so
these
challenges
have
to
now
the
longer
we
wait,
the
more
it's
going
to
cost
the
more
we're
going
to
deal
with
this
so
and
that's
another
key
thing:
the
timing
on
all
this
being
done
right.
You
got
to
get
it
going.
K
If
you
don't
it's
going
to
take
in
the
work
right
now,
I
mean
you
can't
even
find
subcontractors
in
Atlanta
I
mean
it
is
hard
to
find
it's
just
a
rocking
and
rolling
economy.
Right
now-
and
it's
just
hard
to
find
these
people,
so
you
got
a
plan.
It's
going
to
take
time
to
get
this
stuff
done
and
the
sooner
the
better,
so
I
would
go
back
to
what
I
first
said,
a
judicial
consultant.
K
Maybe
getting
that
piece
of
the
puzzle,
saw
I,
think
the
other
ones,
architects,
and
you
know
we
can
figure
that
out
and
let
the
architects
take
it
from
there.
But
you
gotta
know
where,
and
you
got
to
have
a
footprint
and
and
that's
going
to
be
key
I've
always
said
I
like
the
idea
of
a
campus
Park
type
setting
that
would
create
efficiencies
and
and
synergies
that
we
don't
have
right
now
we're
going
in
all
different
directions.
K
Maybe
we
can
do
that
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
can
save,
call
save
a
lot,
create
energy,
new
energy,
efficient,
cost-effective
buildings
that
we
save
more
money
in
the
operating
budgets
in
the
future,
which
that
just
frees
up
more
money
to
do
good
things
with
or
to
give
it
back
to
the
citizens,
and
we
look
at
reducing
our
millage.
So
that's
my
10
cents,
mayor
no.
B
Good
comments
and
in
fact,
I
think
you'll
see
as
we
go
forward.
We're
gonna
try
to
do
a
lot
of
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
I.
Think
I
think
you're
right
on
point
as
we
get
through
this.
There
will
be
a
there'll,
be
enough
of
a
lag
in
trying
to
get
these
people
on
board
that
we
will
and
in
it's
going
to
be
important,
I.
B
Think
the
council
to
understand
from
the
administration
standpoint
and
I
can't
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
city
manager,
but
our
objective
is
to
try
to
keep
it
moving,
like
you
said,
to
give
you
some
to
give
council
some
ideas
and
let
you
edit
race
or
just
scrub
it
and
say
don't
want
to
go
this
direction,
so
our
job
is
just
to
can't
keep
things
in
place
so
that
y'all
feel
comfortable
getting
adequate
information.
So
I
I
think
you
promised
a
very
timely
appreciate.
O
G
The
evaluation
committee
would
include
representatives
from
the
city,
manager's
office,
engineering
and
inspection
and
codes
planning,
the
courts,
Sheriff's
Office,
ite
finance
and
Public
Works.
So
there's
a
lot
of
individuals
they'll
be
voting
members
or
advisory
members
to
make
sure
that
the
selection
process
includes
everything
and
meets
the
requirements
of
all
those
areas.
G
We'll
follow
closely
after
that,
with
the
RFQ
on
the
construction
manager.
Really
just
one
month
later,
mid-september
issuing
that
RFQ.
It's
important
to
get
that
construction
manager
on
board
to
coordinate
with
the
architect,
I
think.
As
councillor
Thomas
said,
we
don't
want
to
then
working
on
a
building
that
the
materials
cost
us
five
times
as
much
as
what
we
wanted
to
spend
so
important
to
get
that
construction
manager
on
board
and
again
that
would
be
a
two-phase
contract.
They
would
provide
pre-construction
services
and
we
would
negotiate
that
with
them,
as
well
as
the
construction
manager.
G
If
a
successful
SPLOST
and
the
project
moves
forward,
those
proposals
will
be
due
back
mid-october
evaluations
through
January
and
bringing
that
back
to
Council
for
an
award
in
the
January
time
period
and
also
with
RFP
on
project
management.
We
think
it's
really
important
to
have
a
project
manager,
in
addition
to
city
staff,
on
this
project,
issuing
that
RFP
and
Minnow
member
evaluations
to
take
place
January
and
February
and
again
bring
that
back
in
a
close
time.
Proximity
to
the
construction
manager
project
manager
would
sorry.
L
G
There's
the
design
team
that
will
oversee
the
design,
the
judicial,
the
planning
process,
a
can
project
manager
will
be
brought
on
board
mostly
for
the
construction,
but
obviously
we
want
to
have
them
on
board,
as
the
planning
process
is
taking
place
so
that
they're
familiar
with
all
the
discussion.
That's
going
on,
but
they'll
oversee,
mostly
the
construction
project,
making
sure
timelines
are
met,
quality
control
inspections,
but
they'll
come
on
board
and
assist
as
needed,
but
mostly
will
be
utilized
during
the
construction
phase.
Okay,.
C
R
G
N
Helps
my
question:
it
really
ties
in
closely
with
what
counselor
crap
asked
who's
in
charge
went
and
it
sounds
like
we
start
off
with
the
design
team,
because
they're
gonna
work
through
the
design
of
the
building
when
the
construction
manager
comes
on
board.
If
there
is
a
issue
between
the
two
of
them,
the
the
referee.
Is
that
going
to
be
you
or
somebody
in
this
city
staff
that.
N
K
You
know
your
cost
per
square
footage
I,
see
the
architect
getting
involved
sooner
or
later,
just
to
start
growing
this
stuff
out
we're
a
GC
can
come
in
and
start
looking
at
it.
But
I
don't
know
if
you
just
want
to
pick
one
person
to
go
through
a
exploratory
phase
before
you
get
to
that.
What
do
we
think
the
cost
is
or
what
the
budget
is?
You
know
that
may
be
determined
by
each
contractor.
K
If
somebody
thinks
that
they've
got
the
project
a
certainly
you
know
you're
not
going
to
get
them,
you
know
gonna
get
them.
You
know
you
know,
gonna
get
the
best
best
cost
when
it
when
it
comes
to
this,
and
knowing
that
costs
down
is
important.
I
know
the
mayor
and
I,
and
some
others
on
council
have
had
some
talks
about
this
I
think
he's
got
some
ideas
too.
Maybe
two
to
maybe
chart
the
course
and
in
some
of
those
some
of
those
areas,
I
think
that'll
work.
K
We
talked
about
putting
the
group
of
maybe
developers
or
stakeholders
or
council
members
whatever,
but
maybe
looking
at
some
of
this
further
down
the
way
and
how
to
how
to
chart
that
out.
I
do
think,
though,
whatever
you
know
I
think
we
ought
to
nail
these
costs
down
and
get
firm
cost
I,
don't
like
pre
cost
and
then
adding
into
the
project.
Cost
is
just
maybe
looking
at
one
calls
for
a
complete
package.
K
If
that's
the
direction,
we're
going
I,
don't
like
the
deep
thing
where
you
just
you
know:
I'll
take
this
as
a
minimum
and
then
I'll
charge
about
an
hour
and
so
forth.
I
mean
the
the
clock
ticks
on
that
stuff
and
and
it
can
keep
getting
keep
getting
costly,
but
I
think
we
already
bear
phone
understandings
of
how
we're
going
to
work
on
these
things,
whether
before
all
the
project
takes
place
or
after
or
to
be
included,
all
together
would
caution
the
city
and
being
careful
from
that
perspective.
G
O
G
And
just
a
reminder,
the
timeline
for
the
2020
SPLOST.
So
you
can
see
how
this
fits
in
and-
and
it
is
a
substantial
amount
of
time
that
will
take
to
develop
the
cost
for
those
options.
And
so
we're
wanting
to
move
forward
with
the
process
that
we've
outlined
so
that
it
coincides
with
the
SPLOST
timeline
that
we're
working
towards
and
so
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
those
RFPs
and
RFQs
to
get
those
out
on
the
street.
I
Miss
Hodge
babe
this
may
be
a
chicken
and
egg
question
which
comes
first
as
I
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
the
the
RF
cues
that
are
going
out
will
be
to
hire
somebody
to
go
to
the
meetings
of
the
of
the
citizens
to
see
I
mean
I,
guess
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused
here
about.
We
won't
know
until
August
I
mean
until
November
of
2020,
whether
or
not
we
have
the
money
from
a
splice
to
fund
all
of
this
other
stuff.
How?
How
does
that.
G
G
So
remember,
when
counsel
issued
the
bonds
last
year,
there's
about
a
million
dollars
that
was
for
the
planning
of
evaluating
the
options
of
the
Government
Center.
So
this
phased
approach
that
we're
talking
about
with
the
design
team
and
the
construction
manager
at
risk.
That
million
dollars
will
be
utilized
to
evaluate
the
options
and
provide
costs
associated
with
the
options
that
are
selected
by
counsel
in
order
to
get
a
cost.
Because
you
need
a
budget
forward.
The
government
Center
project
to
be
included
on
the
SPLOST
ballot
to.
G
I
I
do
think
that
it's
important
for
the
design
team
and
and
the
people
who
are
doing
the
planning
to
be
a
part
of
these
meetings
that
we
are
talking
about
going
out
to
the
public
to
see
what
needs
to
be
done.
Meetings
with
the
judicial
contingent
with
the
administrative
folks,
all
of
those
kinds
of
things,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that.
M
I
M
So
mr.
mayor,
the
deputy
city
manager
mentioned
the
million
dollars
to
evaluate
the
options
that
we
put
before
the
team,
and
so
when
we
get
into
the
next
presentation
we're
going
to
be
sharing
that
we've
shared
before
then
we
share
them
at
the
last
meeting,
the
four
options-
and
it's
going
to
be
our
goal:
to
start
to
narrow
those
options
down
that
we
don't
take
that
million
dollars
and
try
and
evaluate
four
different
options.
But
we
want
to
evaluate
one
or
two
or
a
hybrid
of
the
two
options.
M
G
So
a
lot
of
this
is
information
that
you've
heard
before
wanted
to
go
through
it
again.
Also
for
the
the
viewing
public
is
to
look
at
the
four
options
that
we've
been
discussing
option
one
is
to
demolish
the
wings
and
the
garage
build
a
new
Judicial
Center
and
to
renovate
the
tower
for
city
administrative
purposes:
option
two
again
on
the
existing
site
would
be
complete
demolition
of
the
facilities,
the
tower
the
wings
and
the
garage
and
have
new
facilities
on
the
existing
site.
G
Option
three
is
combined
of
existing
and
a
new
site.
It
would
be
a
complete
demolition
of
the
facilities
on
the
existing
site
to
provide
a
new
judicial
center
on
that
same
site
and
to
move
the
administrative
function
and
that
building
to
a
new
site,
and
then
the
fourth
option
would
be
to
provide
new
facilities
on
an
cite
both
the
judicial
center
and
the
administrative
offices.
G
G
L
I've
been
looking
this
over
for
many
months
now,
as
everybody
has
and
I
just
see
that
taking
any
option
that
involves
demolition
off
off
the
table,
because
I
believe
we
have
an
opportunity
to
resell
the
government
Center
and
the
wings
in
that
area
and
put
some
more
money
in
towards
these
constructions.
I
also
feel
we
could
resell
the
annex,
building
and
help
fund.
L
This
I
think
the
government
Center
can
be
repurposed
into
mixed-use
and
then
we'd
save
on
the
demolition
expense
and
then
the
logistics
of
moving
all
the
employees
and
the
courts
out
of
that
location
into
temporary
locations,
the
cost
of
that
and
then
just
the
logistics
of
it.
Those
are
my
points
that
that
kind
of
support,
my
thinking
of
just
taking
all
of
those
options
that
include
demolition
off
the
table.
G
So
the
discussion
really
is
one
building
versus
two
buildings.
If
you
look
at
one
building,
it
could
be
a
new
building
somewhere
else
or
on
the
existing
site,
as
opposed
to
renovating
or
expanding
that
existing
building.
You
look
at
two
buildings.
You
have
a
judicial
and
an
admin
building
I'm
looking
at
through
judicial
building.
It
could
be
a
new
building
versus
renovation
of
that
existing
building
and
a
new
site
or
an
existing
site
and
I've
labeled.
These
one
two
three
and
four.
This
is
how
the
options
correlate
to
those
either
existing
buildings.
G
So
for
the
Judicial
Center,
all
four
options
is
a
new
building.
Three
of
those
options
include
the
existing
site.
One
option,
which
is
option
four,
which
was
the
one
most
selected
by
the
public
meetings,
is
a
new
site
same
for
the
admin
building
option.
One
was
the
renovation
option.
Two
was
a
new
building
on
the
existing
site
option.
G
We've
also
discussed
moving
the
judicial
center
close
to
the
jail
which
would
allow
for
better
security
on
the
transporting
of
inmates.
A
new
site
offers
an
opportunity
to
sell
on
the
Government
Center
site
economic
impact
in
the
area
that's
receiving
that
invest.
My
pro
of
two
buildings
is
to
separate
judicial
and
administrative
functions
and
also
provide
better
security
setup
for
those
two
facilities.
A
pro
anicon
is
changed.
Obviously,
change
could
be
looked
at
either
way.
G
Con
of
a
judicial
facility
on
an
East
Side
is
having
those
judicial
functions,
move
from
a
historic
site
where
it's
always
been,
and
also
you
have
attorney's
offices
that
are
within
close
proximity
of
the
government
center.
So
that's
also
something
to
consider
conovan
bandonion
the
existing
building.
You
have
a
potential
opportunity
for
prolonged
bacon,
C
and
also
to
demolish
that
building.
There
would
be
a
cost
to
demolish
it
and
it
would
completely
change
the
skyline
of
Columbus
renovation
of
the
existing
building.
G
Obviously,
the
cost
of
a
relocation
associated
with
that
and
the
creation
of
temporary
court
room
space
will
be
definitely
something
to
consider
con
of
the
existing
building.
There's
obviously
limitations
with
that
existing
footprint,
and
it
would
require
extensive
renovation
to
meet
current
operations,
and
we
would
continue
to
have
the
challenge
with
security
and
the
segregation
of
court
parties
during
those
hearings,
and
also
the
parking
for
employees
and
citizens
would
still
be
a
concern
with
the
existing
building
con
of
the
existing
site.
G
If
you
you'll
have
the
noise
of
construction,
if
you
demolish
part
and
rebuild
while
the
employees
remain
in
the
tower
you'll
have
that
noise
of
construction
during
that
time,
and
also
that
will
impact
the
Sprenger,
the
River
Center
and
those
surrounding
businesses
about
having
that
on
that
location,
kind
of
a
new
site
would
be
you're
moving
all
those
city
services
out
of
Uptown.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
consider
evaluating
each
one
of
the
different
options.
Counselor.
B
Have
and
we're
gonna
we've
we've
arranged
a
couple
of
opportunities
to
meet
with
them
again
and
hear
from
them
kind
of
in
mass
okay,
there's
been
concerns
expressed
by
the
judges
and
also
by
some
business,
specifically
the
trial
lawyers.
Most
of
the
research
can
be
done
online,
but
you
know
if
that's
where
the
judges
courtroom
is
and
then
they've
got
interview,
issues
right
and
they've
got
some
some
proximity
issues,
but
but
we're
going
to
make
sure
we
hear
from
them
so
so
they'll
be
part
of
this
process.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
So
for
the
recommendation
just
to
narrow
those
options
administration's
a
recommendation
is
to
narrow
those
to
option
two
and
option
four.
That
would
be
two
buildings
on
the
existing
site
or
two
buildings
on
a
new
site.
Those
are
the
recommendations
that
we're
making
to
try
to
narrow
those
options
and
I've
listed
pros
and
cons
to
each
one
of
those
options
for
council
to
consider,
and
as
councilor
house
just
mentioned.
G
Additional
consideration
is
that
judges
and
legal
community
input,
as
well
as
evaluation
of
those
potential
sites,
whether
they're,
currently
owned
by
the
city,
are
those
sites
that
we
would
have
to
purchase
for
those
two
buildings
will
obviously
look
at
that.
If
there's
any
particular
site,
you
want
us
to
research
or
include
in
that
evaluation.
Please
let
us
know,
but
we'll
begin,
which
we
already
have
looking
at
those
existing
sites
already
owned
by
the
city.
K
Councilor
Davis
thanks
mayor
I'd
like
to
say
I
I,
wouldn't
you
know
I
wouldn't
be
just
attached
to
or
married
up
to
two
buildings
I'd
like
to
encourage
the
city
may
be
looking
at
three
buildings,
possibly
before
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
the
you
know,
there's
I,
think,
there's
ways
to
save
and
cost
construction
cost
I
think
there's
ways
to
save
in
efficiencies
the
you
know,
I
mentioned
earlier
about
campus
Park
kind
of
setting
and
the
cost
in
there
and
in
the
synergies.
I.
Don't
think
everybody
has
to
be
in
one
building.
K
What
you're
talking
about
when
I
see
two
buildings
in
here
I'm
thinking,
that's
massive
I!
Don't
think
that
that's
the
route
to
go
and
that's
going
to
be
extremely
cost
to
you
start
costly
start
doing
that.
But
if
you
break
it
down
into
smaller
footprints,
I
think
it's
more
manageable
and
you're
going
to
save
both
on
operating
cost
and
long
and
construction
cost.
And
all
this
you
don't
have
to
do
some
of
the
things
you
start
getting
used
to
buildings.
K
I
think
of
you've
got
to
go
up
and
you've
got
to
go
out
and
that's
going
to
be
a
whole
different
foundation
on
base
for
the
construction
that
the
GC
is
going
to
have
to
apply.
But
if
you
keep
a
smaller
footprint
and
smaller
buildings
and
space
it
out
a
little
bit
and
still
create
the
coefficients
ease
of
where
it
all
works,
I
think
you're
going
to
benefit
the
city's
going
to
benefit
from
from
doing
that.
K
So
I'd
like
to
encourage
that
not
just
maybe
not
just
two
buildings
but
potentially
three
of
more
and
I
think
you've
got
to
really
look
at
where
quarters
poured.
I
mean
you.
When
you
look
at
state
municipal,
they
function
different
Superior,
Court
functions,
different
you've
got
different
entities.
So
when
you
do
that,
you
could
look
at
cutting
these
buildings
up
a
little
bit
better
and
probably
in
the
long
run
you
you
can
do
more
for
less
is
what
I'm
saying
so
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
as
well.
K
I,
wouldn't
just
give
the
the
go-ahead
to
anybody
just
on
one
building,
because
it's
gonna
I
think
at
the
end
the
day
everybody's
gonna
say:
oh
wow
didn't
know
it.
It
was
gonna
be
like
that
or
it
got
that
big.
How
did
this
get
out
of
hand
now,
as
far
as
the
the
government
Center
up,
you
know
the
more
and
more
I
think
about
this
I?
K
You
know
if
you're
go
in
and
renovate
the
building
and
bring
it
up
to
date
know
it's
gonna
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
do
that.
But
the
challenge
is:
there's
no,
how
you
gonna
move
all
those
people
I
mean
really
how
you
going
to
do
with
that
to
deal
with
that.
We
talked
about
that
earlier.
There's
just
no
way
to
do
that
with
how
this
government
functions,
whether
from
a
communication
or
just
you
know,
you've
got
to
move
them
out,
move
them
back
in
I
mean
there
is
a
lot.
K
A
lot
of
cost
and
then
they'll
only
find
out
in
another
10-15
years,
you're
dealing
with
the
same
issues
that
you're
dealing
with
today,
you're
gonna
have
to
do
it
all
over
again.
It's
an
old
building.
You
you,
you
really
got
to
understand
that.
Look
at
that
and
if
you
talk
about
some
of
the
history,
go
back
and
talk
some
of
the
people
that
were
involved.
There
was
a
lot
of
challenges
that
initially
that
started
with
that
building,
but
I
don't
see
any
other
way.
You
don't
do
anything
with
that.
K
Building
in
the
beginning,
I
mean
or
that
whole
site
I
mean
you
could
figure.
We
can
figure
that
out
later
I
think
the
key
thing
is
getting
buildings
up
and
running,
and
then
you
can
move
people
to
those
buildings
and
you're
gonna
find
out
it's
going
to
be
the
most
cost
effective
way
and
I
go
back
to
what
I
said
earlier
about
the
opportunity
to
really
look
at
cost
savings
in
your
budget.
Operational
cost
savings
in
your
budget,
I
really
believe
they're
going
to
be
here.
K
If
you
go
back
into
the
same
building,
you
gonna
either
have
the
same
or
even
more
operational
costs
to
deal
with,
and
how
we're
going
to
absorb
that.
So
we've
got
to
look
at
that
complete
picture
and
I
just
don't
see
any
other
other
way
to
do
it
without
I
mean
you
got
an
opportunity
here
to
do
something.
That's
gonna
take
us
out
35
40
50
years
versus
10,
15
you're
back
at
it
again.
K
You
just
pass
it
on
kick
the
can
down
the
road,
but
you're
gonna
deal
with
the
same
issues
all
over
again
and
there's
a
lot
of
challenges.
There
I
think
you
know.
Mr.
new
Darren
touched
on
some
of
those
initially
when
we
started
talking
about
all
this
of
what
it
would
take,
I
mean
it's
gonna,
be
the
most
least
cost
to
do
that.
Okay,
I
mean
that's,
that's
an
absolute
but
you're
going
to
be
continuing
to
put
more
money
back
into
this
thing
on
a
constant
basis,
and
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
K
It
just
doesn't
make
sense
when
you
have
an
opportunity
to
fully
fund
finance,
pay
it
off
and
reduce
your
operational
cost.
To
me,
that's
a
no-brainer
I
think
that's
a
win-win
for
the
community.
If
it's
done
right,
if
it's
master
plan
I
go
back
to
being
a
master
plan,
a
master
planning,
this
we've
got
an
opportunity
to
do
it.
K
You
got
one
chance
to
do
it,
you
gotta,
do
it
right,
or
else
you'll
be
dealing
with
the
same
issues,
another
10
15
years,
we're
just
passing
on
to
the
next
generation
and
that's
why
I'm
such
a
proponent
I
feel
like
the
option.
Four
is
the
best
way
to
go,
and
not
just
looking
at
two
buildings,
but
maybe
three
plus
and
spacing
it
out.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
C
You
mayor
I
wanted
to
ask:
are
we
thinking
about
all
the
courts
in
this
facility?
If
we
go
with
two
and
four,
would
it
be
four
quarters
court
all
the
way
through
sprint,
Superior
Court,
or
would
it
and
of
course
that
would
encompass?
You
have
to
have
the
the
jury
pool
of
Sheriff,
and
you
know
how
that
all
ripples
out
so
is
that
what
we're
thinking
no.
M
Recorders,
court
connected
to
the
jail
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
better
option
for
recorders
cooler
than
to
be
connected
to
the
jail
people.
Get
arrested
and
they've
got
to
have
first
appearance
within
so
many
hours,
and
you
know
they
can
bring
them
right
out
of
the
jail
into
the
courtroom
right
there.
If
you've
ever
been
there
record
is
cool
and
they
can
take
them
right
back
in
and
so
I.
M
You
know
to
put
to
move
record
us
court
to
a
different
location,
detached
from
the
jail
I
think
will
create
a
nightmare,
so
recorders
court
is
not
include
because
then
we
have
to
then
get
into
right
now.
There
is
no
transportation
involved
in
recorders
court
right
all
right
yeah.
So
if
we
detached
it,
you'd
have
to
get
into
transport
and
that's
a
whole
new,
expensive
ballgame.
So
that
is
not
included.
Well.
C
I
guess
my
thought,
and
what
what
I
had
been
talking
with
several
folks
about
is
my
preference
would
be
to
move
the
judicial
building
over
next
to
the
jail
and
then
have
some
type
of
walk
over
from
the
jail
to
the
to
the
facility
like
we
do,
and
the
quarters
court
yes
and
providing
an
upgrade
or
some
type
of
new
facility,
similar
to
what
they
have
now.
But
much
more
enhanced
for
recorders
court
would
be
what
I
was
thinking.
C
But
if
we're
going
to
the
importance
you
as
you
mentioned
of
them
being
connected
to
the
jail
is
valid.
That's
it's
got.
It's
got
to
happen
that
yes,
but
I
was
just
concerned
concerned
it
if
we
were
including
them
in
the
new
judicial
building
or
we
were
gonna
lead
them
where
they
were
so
I.
You
advantage
of
that
question.
So
thank
you.
Yes
for
house.
N
We
talked
about
this
some
last
week,
this
question
released
for
the
city
attorney
or
are
we
gonna?
How
do
we
resolve
whether
there's
an
issue
or
not
all
the
terms
of
site
versus
scene?
If
we
go
to
a
new
location
versus
currently
where
we
are
so
we
don't
get
tripped
up
halfway
through
this
process
and
suddenly
find
out.
There
is
an
actual
concern.
How
do
we
kind.
H
Of
know
for
sure,
like
I
said
last
time,
we're
getting
some
more
research
done,
we'll
have
a
definitive
answer
on
the
preliminary.
It
looks
like
the
old
statute
that
provides
for
a
probate
judge.
Order
at
a
referendum
will
not
apply
to
us,
but
there
may
be
a
real
estate
restrictions
on
back
to
1828.
That
does
apply
that
we'll
have
to
ask
the
General
Assembly
for
help
on
as
far
as
the
sale
of
that
site
in
the
future.
H
H
K
Davis
yeah
mr.
city
manager,
to
to
your
comments
early
in
council
elements,
question
I
think
you
know
having
the
opportunity
to
do
a
surplus.
If
you
have
a
squats,
you
could
generate
a
lot
of
revenue
to
be
able
to
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
of
the
city.
I
think
where
we've
already
just
went
through
and
we're
going
to
be
requested,
probably
soon
to
do
some
more
stuff
with
recorders
court,
and
you
may
find
out
that
the
judicial
consultants
come
back
and
say
that
you
need
to.
You
know,
make
some
changes
there
as
well.
K
That's
enough
housing
set
bill
that
builds
a
whole
is
really
old.
We
just
pumped
how
much
money
into
it
and
we're
gonna
have
to
pump
more
so
I'd
like
to
encourage
us
to
think
to
put
that
on
the
list
and
to
be
one
of
the
buildings.
You
can
look.
That's
why
I
said
the
footprint,
waiter,
footprint
and
a
master
plan,
you
can
move
that
building
and
still
do
exactly
what
you're
talking
about,
and
you
know
and
I'll
go
a
step
further.
K
We
may
want
to
look
at
meeting
some
of
the
needs
that
we
know
that's
happening
right
now
at
the
jail.
You
know
it
seems
to
be
the
trend
now,
instead
of
just
building
more
jail
cells,
that
the
trend
now
is
trying
to
deal
with
areas
of
maybe
less
security,
less
security
levels,
but
dealing
more
with
mental
health
and
drug
addictions
and
homelessness.
K
You
know
you
don't
have
to
put
them
in
a
full
jail
facility.
Maybe
you
have
a
less
secure
you
can
you?
Can
you
know
from
from
that
standpoint?
That
seems
to
be
a
trend
now?
Maybe
we
need
to
consider
a
wing
and
kind
of
add
all
this
together
and
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
a
master
plan,
because
you
got
an
opportunity
to
do
it
and
I
say
again:
you
know
if
you're
gonna
do
it,
you
got
one
chance
to
do
it.
You
need
to
do
it
right,
so
I
would
encourage
to
include
that
facility.
K
Even
the
annex,
the
annex
is
gonna,
cost
some
money
here
soon.
So
if
you
have
the
financial
capital
to
pay
these
buildings
off,
and
then
it
becomes
operational
cost
in
your
budget,
I
mean,
if
you
put
the
plan
together
and
the
citizens
see
that
that
you
have
that
opportunity
to
make
a
difference.
30,
35,
40,
50
years
out
for
the
next
generation
I
think
we're
doing
a
service
to
our
community
in
the
next
generation
to
look
at
those
things.
K
So
there
are
just
two
components
of
it
because
you're
going
to
be
right
back
dealing
with
it
and
we
have
a
chance
to
put
it
on
the
list
all
together
and
solve
it
all
now
it
may
be
phased
in,
but
you
can
still
do
that
and
I'd
like
to
encourage
the
city
to
do
that.
Instead
of
having
to
just
keep
go
back
in
to
our
operating
cost
in
the
future
or
having
to
deal
with
a
matter
of
raising
new
taxes
or
what
I
want
to
do.
Don't
talk
about
that.
M
Mr.
mayor,
with
with
that
said,
we
can,
we
can
certainly
have
the
judicial
planners
consultants,
look
at
recorders
court
as
they
look
at
the
superior
and
all
the
of
the
other
courts
and
we'll
at
least
have
that
information
and
and
and
to
counsel
Allan's
point.
If
the
Judicial
Center
was
built
down
and
connected
to
the
jail
it
makes,
it
would
make
sense
to
have
record
as
court
in
that
Judicial
Center,
because
you
know
for
safety
and
we
could
eliminate
the
transportation
cost.
M
You
know,
especially
when
they're
the
high-profile
cases
I
mean
it's
a
nightmare
and
and
and
just
think
if
you,
if
the
Judicial
Center
was
connected
to
the
jail,
the
public
would
never
see
that
it'd
be
seamless,
and
it
would
make
sense
that
recorders
court
would
be
a
part
of
that
in
facility,
and
you
could
use
that
portion
of
the
building
to
create
a
mental
health
wing
or
do
whatever
you
want
to
do
because
it's
already
connected.
So
we
will
include
in
the
scope
for
the
judicial
consultant
to
look
at
recorders
court
in
the
process
and.
K
That
we're
very
wise
and
you,
you
know
that
you
know
you
can
connect
it.
I
mean
you
can
connect
it,
maybe
and
still
stay
low
to
the
ground,
and
there
was
some
of
your
cost
factors
or
you
can
do
a
separate
bill
neither
way,
but
I
think
that
it
can
be
laid
out
in
such
a
way
to
do
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
coordinating
and
working
in
synergy
as
I
as
I
said
earlier
and
I.
Think
that
you
may
you
know
again:
I
go
housing.
Everything
under
one
roof,
that's
massive!
K
K
You
know
I'm,
not
saying
that
our
our
local
GCS
and
some
contractors
are
not
qualified,
but
the
bigger
and
the
higher
up
you
go.
You
start
getting
into
another
level
that
you're
gonna
have
to
go
outside
to
other
areas
to
find
that
kind
of
expertise
to
come
in
and
then
they're
gonna
bring
specialized,
labor
and
all
and
then,
if
you
can
even
get
that
in
Columbus
Georgia,
you
know
it's
gonna
add
to
the
to
the
construction
schedules
in
the
time
being
of
all
this
stuff.
So
you
know,
keep
it
low
or
smaller.
I
Know
that
it
will
not
come
as
a
surprise
to
you
that
one
of
my
issues
and
all
of
these
things
is
making
sure
that
we
get
input
from
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
affected
by
this
I.
Do
think
that
the
judicial
consultant
needs
to
be
consulted
on
all
of
the
judicial
issues,
including
recorders
court.
What
do
we
do
with
recorders
court,
but
I
would
also
like
for
us
to
make
sure
that
we
are
talking
to
the
other
people
who
use
our
facilities.
I
It
may
be
that
we
could
contact
some
of
the
various
organizations
in
about
making
a
presentation
at
their
their
meeting.
I,
don't
know
if
the
Bar
Association
would
let
us
come
to
a
meeting
of
the
Bar
Association
and
have
input
the
Realtors
group.
Let
them
have
input
I
do
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
the
employees
of
the
city,
both
those
who
are
currently
housed
at
the
annex
and
the
ones
that
are
housed,
uptown
talks
about
what
they
think
and
what
they
need.
I
The
thing
that
that
came
to
my
mind
was
I,
don't
know
if
some
of
you
may
recall
that
when
we
as
we
were
building
this
building,
the
councillors
were
invited
to
come
out
here
to
take
a
look
at
this
room
before
it
was
completed,
and
at
that
point
there
was
not
a
step
over
here.
This
was
blocked
was,
was
blocked
off
and
we
said,
wait,
wait.
We
need
to
be
able
to
come
down
and
up
on
both
sides.
We
were
able
to
do
that
because
the
room
was
not
finished.
I
I
This
is
not
as
a
pitch
for
burning
forth
the
splice,
but
it
is
an
input
session
and
I
also
would
like
for
us
to
have
some
kind
of
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
would
do
this,
but
some
some
way
of
responding
to
citizens
who
have
suggestions
about
what
we
need
to
do.
For
example,
I
hear
all
the
time:
why
don't
you
move
this
into
the
Kmart
building
or
the
Sears
building?
I
I
M
M
What
we
would
like
to
do,
because
we
got
to
continue
this
discussion,
we
got
to
come
back
and
and
talk
about
options
again,
but
we
want
to
come
back
having
moved
options,
one
and
three
off
the
list
and
talk
about
option
two
option:
four
and
then
any
mix,
sure
of
hybrid,
of
the
two
I
heard
adding
the
third
built
in
but
we'd
be
talking
about
these
two
plus.
Whatever
else
you
want
to
do,
and
it
could
be
again
a.
M
Mix
of
the
two
or
something
different,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
may
at
some
point,
have
a
hybrid
of
option:
two
option
for
and
something
new,
and
we
may
have
one
option.
We
may
have
option
two
and
the
hybrid
and
take
option
for
off
and
have
two
options,
but
we'd
like
to
come
back
and
we're
going
to
have
to
keep
bringing
this
back
as
an
update
and
discussion
at
every
meeting.
Until
we
can
agree
on
one
or
two,
we
have
a
million
dollars
to
start
looking
at
options,
and
so
we
got
to.
M
We
got
to
come
to
some
agreement
at
some
point
that
this
is
the
one
or
these
are
the
two
that
we're
going
to
look
at
and
it
could
the
option
2
or
4
as
a
as
we
recommend
them
today
or
that
mix
that
one
of
these
to
come
off
and
you
have
one
of
the
two
and
whatever
option
you
come
up
with.
So
if
there's
no
objection,
if
there's
no
objection,
we're
going
to
move
options,
1
&,
3
off
the
list
and
so
we're
now
discussing
2,
and
then
you
can
create
anything.
B
M
B
I
think
what
we
need
to
do,
though,
going
forward,
even
though
we
don't
have
a
majority,
we
don't.
This
is
not
official
votes.
I
think
that
it's
not
only
perfectly
okay,
but
it's
it's
good.
Like
you,
councillor,
Davis
comes
up
with
an
idea.
You
know,
I
have
as
a
developer,
I
know
some
efficiencies
that
might
be
gained
through
doing
three
or
four
buildings.
You
know
I
think
early
on.
We
just
vote
on
them.
We
try
to
keep
it
at
2
and
vote
on
them.
B
One
will
be
dropped
off
and
then
because
the
issue
we're
gonna
run
into
eventually,
once
we
get
the
design
team
on
board,
is
they
have
to
start
doing
the
work?
To
give
you
a
cost
for
the
options
we
have
and
we
can
do
multiple
options.
We
can
do
three
or
four
more,
but
there
is
a
cost
that
will
be
associated
with
expanding
the
number
of
options.
We're
looking
at
so
I
think
this
is
too
big
of
an
issue
to
do
by
consensus.
M
B
And
then,
if
another,
if
a
councilor
says
well
I've
been
thinking
about
this
I've
been
talking
to
people
I'd
like
this,
under
the
consideration
as
well
under
consideration,
we
can
put
that
up
as
as
a
vote
as
well.
We
really
need
to
narrow
it
is
when
we
get
that
design
team
on
board.
Okay,
we've
got
a
number
of
people
want
to
speak,
I
guess:
I
lit
a
fire
wall,
councillor
Davis
yeah,.
K
If
we're
gonna
have
further
this
guy
know,
we
only
got
well.
We
got
five
members
here,
so
there's
no
vote
gonna
be
taken
today,
but
I
think
forge
your
best
option
and-
and
let
me
encourage
you
to
maybe
Council,
to
really
think
about
to
hear.
Okay,
I,
don't
even
look
at
that
as
an
option.
The
more
and
more
I
thought
about
that
over
time.
It's
not.
K
Just
go
back
to
what
I
said
earlier:
can
you
imagine
moving
a
massive
amount
of
people
with
the
technology
and
communications
attached
with
all
the
different
departments
that
work
together?
You
tell
me
we're
in
Columbus
Georgia,
you
don't
put
these
people,
you
tell
me
we're
in
Uptown
you're
gonna
put
them.
K
Are
you
gonna,
build
a
new
facility
and
erect
it
and
then
set
it
up
where
you
have
courts
operating
and
all
the
other
stuff
that
we
just
went
through
I
mean
we
saw
the
challenge
that
we
just
dealt
with
having
to
deal
with
the
pipes
breaking
in
the
courts
now
to
go
out
and
do
that
and
then
tear
everything
down
and
then
try
to
fit
a
you
know
which
is
going
to
bill.
I
go
back
to
a
building
getting
massive
on
that
site.
K
M
This
councilor
don't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
but
and
an
option
for
I
I
hear
you
option
to
remain
stayed
on
the
table
allows
us
the
opportunity.
We
said
additional
consideration.
Judicial
legal
community
in
and
and
the
mayor
has
indicated
that
we
are
we've
already
scheduled
some
time.
We've
already
talked
to
the
sinner
judge,
but
we've
scheduled,
or
the
chief
judge,
I
should
say,
but
we've
already
scheduled
to
meet
with
the
bar
and
I.
M
Don't
this
allows
them
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
which
all
that
we
get
from
them
with
you,
because
I
mean
we've,
we
get
feedback
saying
they
are
partial
to
of
the
existing
site,
and
so
by
with
these
two,
you
still
got
the
options,
but
at
least
we
get
to
hear
them
out
before
you
make
your
final
selection
of
site.
So
we
are
the
mayor.
It's
scheduled
a
meeting
with
the
executive
committee
with
the
full
bar
and
we're
going
to
have
that
conversation
at
least
hear
from
them.
Well,
I
think.
K
That
and
that's
good
I
mean
you:
can
you
talk
to
look
people?
You
have
to
adapt
to
change
sometimes,
and
you
know
if
it's
in
the
vicinity
and
you
create
something
that
has
synergy
and
it's
coefficient
that
works
with
everybody
yeah,
it
may
be
a
you
might
have
to
walk
a
couple
blocks.
You
met
to
wear
out
a
scooter.
M
K
Know
if
it's
master-planned
again
I
go
back
to
the
footprint
and
where,
if
it's
masterplan
done
right,
you're,
not
you're,
not
talking
about
a
major,
it's
uptown,
all
of
its
uptown.
But
you
know
you
you're
somewhat.
You
know
you're
still
somewhat
in
that
Cinna
tea,
but
the
costs,
the
the
magnitude
of
the
cost
in
the
challenge
to
go
back
the
option
to
I
think
if
you
really
break
that
down
you're
going
to
find
out
that's
going
to
be
an
extremely
costly
and
challenging
them
time-consuming,
etc.
But
I
will
say
this
too.
K
M
Want
to
get
to
one
object,
there's
a
final.
Whatever
it's
going
to
be,
I
want
to
move
from
four
to
two
right
now
and
then
the
goal
is
to
go
from
two
to
one,
and
it
may
be
that
you
start
mixing
and
and
and
you
ultimately
end
up
with
one
but
and
we're
going
to
have
I,
don't
really
like
the
idea
of
spending
money
on
two
options
to
study
them,
and
so
we
got
we
need
to
come
to
one
but
to
go
from
four
to
two.
K
B
S
I've
already,
since
I
am
a
lawyer,
I've
already
heard
a
lot
from
the
lawyers
I'll
go
and
throw
this
out
there.
I
may
understand
the
concerns
about
optional
one,
but
just
for
our
discussions
at
the
next
meeting,
the
hybrid
that
has
been
expressed
to
me
has
been
to
launch
the
wings.
So
all
the
judges
can
stay
in
the
tower,
build
something
there
and
they
don't
care
what
we
do
with
the
tower,
so
I
mean
I'm
kind
of
inclined
to
have
to
a
hybrid
of
that
and
what
counselor
Crabb
had
suggested.
B
I
think
that's
part
of
the
process
is
Goliath
feedback
and
you
having
able
to
kind
of
kind
of
see
where
them.
Sometimes
when
you
get
suggestions
you,
you
really
have
to
dig
deeper
to
get
to
the
real
reason
for
those
suggestions
so
appreciate.
You
appreciate
your
carrying
that
that
water
for
the
for
the
attorneys,
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
sorry,
I,.
M
Was
just
going
to
say
and
based
on
what
councillor
Garrett
just
said,
see
that
it
may
be
that
instead
of
two
four,
we
end
up
with
that
as
the
single
option.
So
but
at
least
move
from
four
to
two
and
then
those
two
and
then
a
mix.
And
then
you
come
up
with
an
option
and
that
that
could
be
the
option.
L
Just
gonna
I
was
looking
at
this
recommendation
and
on
option
two
really
the
only
pro,
because
you
can
maintain
the
historic
site
even
with
option,
for
the
only
pro
would
be
the
attorney's
offices
within
close
proximity,
and
you
know
I
I
respect
what
the
attorneys
are
saying
about
the
demolition
and
everything.
But
is
it
really
that
far
if,
if
we're
moving
the
site
to
what
is
it
four
blocks
away,
six
blocks
away
to
where
the
jail
location
is?
L
B
B
If
you're
doing
trial
law,
if
you're
a
trial,
lawyer
you're
going
across
Veterans
Parkway
on
foot,
here's
a
concern,
so
we've
talked
about
different
ways
to
mitigate
that,
but
there'll
be
a
lot
of
I.
Think
it's
gonna
be
good
to
let
them
express
those
thoughts
and
then
we
can
kind
of
look
for
ways
to
mitigate
it.
If
we
can,
maybe
the
option
stays
on
if
we
can't
and
it's
up
to
y'all
whether
or
not
we
look
at
another
alternative.
I
Of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
see,
we
have
sort
of
generically
said:
put
it
down
by
the
jail.
There
are
a
lot
of
places
down
by
the
jail
and
I
would
be
interested
to
see
where
we're
we're
talking
about
down
by
the
jail
specifically
I
know
that
we
own
property
down
and
around
that
area.
I
also
know
that
we
don't
own
a
lot
of
that
property
down
there
and
so,
and
I
would
have
to
you
know,
submit
to
somebody
who
is
better
has
more
knowledge
than
I
do
about
the
size
of
the
footprint.
I
How
large
is
it?
What
does
that
mean
if
you're
talking
about
a
224,000,
square-foot
building,
you
know
what
what
does
that
mean?
I
also
would
say
that
mr.
city
manager,
I'm,
not
sure
who
came
up
with
four
items.
I
would
assume
it
was
somebody
on
the
staff,
and
so
those
were
not
four
options.
That
council
came
up
with
unapproved
and
so
I
would
think
that
it
would
be
appropriate
if
you
will
for
staff
and
the
administration
to
come
back
to
us
and
say
we've
looked
at
all
of
this.
I
We
are
now
ready
to
go
to
the
to
up
to
two
options,
one
and
it
may
be
that
the
option
at
this
point.
The
two
options
at
this
point
is
something
on
the
site
where
it
is
now
and
something
at
another
site,
and
this
is
the
site
we're
talking
about
this
other
site,
so
that
we
can
make
some
of
those
kinds
of
decisions
we
don't
have
to
today
decide
if
they're
going
to
be
two
buildings
on
whatever
site.
We
do
something
determined
or
four
buildings
or
whatever.
That's
not
that's.
I
M
M
I
Tell
us
what
we
ought
to
do:
let's
listen
to
the
experts
before
we
make
a
final
decision.
I
think
it
is
appropriate
for
you
to
come
back
to
us
and
say:
we've
taken
a
look
at
what's
here
so
far,
and
this
is
what
we're
recommending
that
we
narrow
it
down
a
little
bit
with
the
understanding
and
counsel
willing
to
have
this
understanding
that
when
we
hire
these
professionals,
if
they
tell
us,
you
cannot
do
this
on
that
site.
Sure
whatever
reasons
yes.
M
M
M
And
we
can
certainly
someone
like
the
smart
lawyers
will
have
to
you
know
properly,
but
but
but
I.
Just
the
point
that
I
want
to
get
to
is
is
removing
the
and
kind
of
narrower
and
now
focus
so
that
we
can
continue
to
move
towards
either
a
single
size.
Just.
I
B
O
B
K
K
Given
those
directions
they're
just
going
to
deal
with
into
the
space
interior
space,
the
architects
and
everything
else,
deal
with
exteriors
looks
design
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
it
goes
back
to
you
still
have
to
find
you
got
to
find
a
footprint.
You
got
to
find
where
to
do
all
this
and
I
keep
filling
that
master
plan
out
there
and
mayor
I
want
to
go
back
to
I.
K
Know
that
we're
talking
about
all
these
people
being
involved,
but
just
because
you
got
a
trade
that
does
business
so
to
speak
in
an
area
doesn't
mean
that
you
cater
to
that
one
group
I
mean
this.
This
is
a
little
more
beyond
all
that,
because
if
it's
not
done
right,
you're
just
going
to
continue
to
push
a
burden
onto
the
taxpayers,
we
don't
need
to
do
that.
K
K
You
need
to
some
of
these
key
leaders,
they're,
investing
big
in
our
community
okay
and
find
out
what
they're
doing
it
needs
to
might
be
master
plan
with
what
they're
doing,
because
you
got
an
opportunity
to
do
something:
awesome
and
changing
the
character
of
your
community.
That,
to
me,
is
more
valuable
than
just
building
back
as
usual
and
business
as
usual.
Nothing
changes!
K
So
these
are
things
you
got
to
really
think
about
when,
when
you're
looking
at
these
options
and
then
I'm
just
telling
you
you're
gonna
find
out
that
you
know
building
the
building
and
that
one
site's
gonna
be
very,
very
costly
and
and
look
when
it's
all
finished,
we
can
figure
out
what
to
do
with
that
government.
Center
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
suggestions,
not
going
anywhere
I.
Look
at
that
being
on
down
the
line,
but
let
me
tell
you
something:
outside
the
city:
CSU
total
systems.
Athlet
tell
me
who
has
the
capital?
K
Tell
me
who
has
the
money
to
put
in
that
building
and
fix
it
up
like
what
we're
talking
about
you've
got
to
consider
that
I.
Just
don't
think
that
anybody
is
going
to
come
along
and
just
go
into
a
building.
That's
not
is
a
city
gonna
be
responsible
for
upgrading
and
leasing.
It
are
you
just
gonna
sell
it
like
it
is.
What
are
they
going?
What's
the
next
person
gonna
do
with
them,
there's
a
lot
of
money
that
somebody's
got
to
come
up
with
I,
don't
think
just
anybody
can
put
that
money
in
it.
K
There's
no
developer
and
you're
gonna
have
to
have
some
big,
publicly
traded
corporation.
That's
gotten
money
that
they
can
use
and
I.
Don't
know
if
they're
interested
in
it
right
so
I
mean
these
are
things
it's
a
little
beyond
just
building
a
building,
but
when
you
add
all
that
up,
I
think
it
goes
to
option
4
in
creating
a
revitalization
catalast
catalyst
that
needs
to
be
master
planned
in
our
community
may
I
hope
you
talked
to
some
of
these
developers
and
people
who
are
actively
involved
in
looking
at
that.
K
B
I
think
certainly
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion.
I
know,
John
Redmond
has
spoken
very
passionately
at
most
eating's
about
the
idea
of
using
can
I
have
actually
advocated
all
things
being
equal
that
I'd
love
to
see
at
least
one
of
the
buildings
put
in
an
area
to
try
to
stimulate
some
economic
development.
My
thoughts
have
always
been
that
that
helps
to
shift
an
expense
to
an
investment
because
you're
going
to
get
some
kind
of
return.
Do
you
know
how
much
depends
on
where
and
and
what
the
building?
L
L
From
looking
all
of
this
over,
instead
of
option
to
an
option
for
I'd
like
to
recommend,
we
get
rid
of
option
two
and
three
and
we
consider
option
one
and
option
four
I
think
I
made
it
pretty
obvious
that
I
that
my
vote
would
go
for
option
4,
but
having
option
1
left
on
the
table
also
keeps
in
motion.
If
we
find
out
from
the
legislature
that
we
cannot
move
the
site
like
what
we
want
to
do,
then
we
have
that
option
of
remaining
in
that
location
with
the
judicial.
B
I'd
say
probably
the
most
effective
way
to
get
this,
because
we're
all
going
to
have
our
favorites
and
I
think
the
best
way
to
move
this
forward
is,
let
us
bring
you
the
recommendations
and
then
our
your
votes
around
this
table
will
tell
us
which
ones
we
get
rid
of
which
ones
we
keep
and
that's
not
the
final
story.
We're
going
to
continue
to
do
this
because
I
like
what
councillor
Davis
is
saying
he's
got
some
additions
that
he's
thinking
about
with
regards
and
for
there's
been
some
concern
about
renovating
the
existing
building.
B
Where
do
we
put
the
individuals,
a
valley,
concern,
there's
been
questions
about?
You
can't
use
that
site
and
tear
down
the
tower
in
logistically.
You
can
it's
messy,
but
you
can
keep
people
in
the
tower
till
the
new
building.
If
you
stayed
on
that
site
on
the
original
site
was
constructed
and
then
tear
down
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
deviations
from
just
this
black
and
white,
or
this
orange
and
blue,
which
I'm
not
a
fan
of
of,
but.
R
B
Go
dogs
make
I,
say
no
I'm
just
kidding,
but
but
I
think.
What
my
point
is
is
that
let
us
bring
you
our
the
recommendations
that
we
have
heard
the
most
throughout
the
community
and
then
it's
up
to
this
body
to
begin
to
help
us
to
funnel
that
down
to
where
we've
got
a
workable,
workable
plan
and
and
it
will
be
as
councillor
Thomas
pointed
out
once
the
experts
are
on
board
once
the
design
teams
on
board
and
once
the
contractor
gets
on
board.
B
They'll
begin
to
flesh
out
the
actual
expenses
that
are
going
to
be
going
along
with
each
of
these
different
options
also
gives
us
a
chance
to
try
to
look
at
some
other
properties
and
Oh.
Councillor.
Davis
has
mentioned
other
properties
that
we
may
not
currently
own,
but
it
might
lend
themselves
to
a
more
of
a
campus
style,
as
he
has
talked
about.
This
gives
us
chance
to
kind
of
flesh
those
those
out
as
well.
M
M
Kind
of
as
an
education
piece,
not
so
much
just
for
City
Council,
but
for
those
in
the
audience
and
watching
by
television
just
so
that
we
know
that
they
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
sales
tax
that
we
currently
have
in
Columbus,
where
it
goes,
what
it's
used
for,
and
the
various
types
of
funding
mechanisms
and
what
restrictions
we
have
on
them.
So
devastating
manager
will
share
that
with
you
and
with
the
public.
Those
watching
by
television.
G
So,
just
to
start
off,
Muscogee
County
sales,
tax
rate
in
the
first
column
are
the
different
types
of
sales
taxes
that
exist,
and
the
next
column
shows
that
current
rate.
So
we
currently
have
4%
state.
We
have
a
local
option:
sales
tax,
which
we
call
the
lost.
We
have
a
1%
other
local
option,
sales
tax,
which
is
referred
to
as
an
OLE
Aust.
G
The
school
district
has
an
East
loss,
which
is
education,
special
purpose,
local
option,
sales
tax
and
that's
1%,
and
we
currently
have
a
t
sports,
which
is
a
transportation
special
purpose,
local
option,
sales
tax,
so
current
rate
is
8%,
beginning
January
1.
It
will
go
to
7%
the
school
districts.
East
loss
ends
on
June
30th,
so
the
sales
tax
will
actually
drop
July
1st
to
7%.
If
there's
a.
I
G
Ma'am
July
1
2020.
Thank
you.
If
the
flossed
is
successful
on
November
3rd,
that
SPLOST
will
go
into
effect,
April
1st
of
2021,
which
we
would
then
at
that
point,
go
back
to
an
8%
sales
tax
in
December
31
of
2022.
The
tea
sauce
will
expire,
and
at
that
time
the
sales
tax
would
go
back
to
7%
and
that
would
be
effective
one
one
of
2023,
just
a
little
history
of
the
sales
tax,
the
O
lost
and
the
loss
when
they
were
effective.
G
The
Local
Option
Sales
Tax
was
effective
in
1976,
it's
a
permanent
1%
sales
tax
and
it
can
be
utilized
really
for
any
operational
cost
personnel
operating
or
capital,
and
it
is
considered
to
be
part
of
the
general
fund
of
the
city,
the
other
local
option.
Sales
tax
was
effective
in
2009.
It
is
again
a
permanent
1%
sales
tax
that
can
be
used,
personnel
operating
or
capital,
and
at
that
time
that
it
was
approved,
it
was
committed.
70
percent
to
public
safety
and
30
percent
to
infrastructure.
G
It
is
a
part
of
the
general
fund,
but
it's
kept
segregated
for
reporting
purposes
that
was
reported
to
council
on
a
monthly
basis.
A
special
purpose,
Local
Option,
Sales
Tax,
is
up
to
1%
of
a
sales
tax.
It
can
be
used
for
capital
outlay
projects,
only
that's
roads,
bridges,
sidewalks
trails,
stormwater
facilities,
vehicles,
major
equipment,
those
types
of
projects:
it
cannot
be
used
for
operating
expenses
or
maintenance.
There's
a
lot
of
questions
about
SPLOST.
Why
don't
you
use
it
for
personnel
type
things?
G
It
cannot
be
used
for
those
types
of
purposes,
its
imposed
for
a
maximum
of
five
years,
except
if
it's
imposed
by
consolidating
government
when
a
general
obligation
debt
is
issued
in
conjunction
with
the
SPLOST.
In
that
case,
the
collection
ends
when
the
amount
of
revenue
is
generated.
So
there
are
different
provisions
for
a
consolidated
government.
When
a
geo
bond
is
issued,
the
education
splice
is
up.
G
G
G
75%
of
the
funds
are
allocated
to
projects.
They're
pay-as-you-go
there's,
no
advance
funding
those
projects,
as
we
talked
about
with
the
splice.
There
were
projects
that
were
in
bands,
so
they
were
funded
throughout
the
10-year
period.
25%
of
the
funds
is
used,
it's
what's
called
local
discretionary,
which
we
talked
about
during
the
budget
process
each
year.
This
is
just
so
you'll
have
the
information
how
those
votes
were
allocated
to
the
different
counties,
yes
and
no
votes
and
those
counties
or
they
approve
the
tea
sauce
and
those
that
did
not
approve.
G
Obviously,
the
discussion
that
we
had
previous
to
this
was
looking
at
us
floss,
as
opposed
to
a
tea
sauce
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
city
at
this
time,
but
because
15
of
those
16
counties
in
the
river
valley
have
approved
resolution
to
continue
the
sauce,
there
will
be
a
roundtable
I'm
set
up
as
they
move
forward.
With
that
discussion,
it's
scheduled
for
September
the
4th,
so
it's
coming
up
in
about
five
weeks.
B
L
B
That
multiple
answers
to
that
I
think
certainly
we
could
ask
for
one
half
of
a
percent
through
our
SPLOST.
The
challenge
there
is
the
amount
of
money
with
raise
would
probably
be
just
enough
to
cover
the
government
Center
and,
as
we
have
heard-
and
you
have
heard
from
constituents
that
there
are
a
lot
of
infrastructure
issues
within
our
County
that
we
desperately
need
to
address
and
and
frankly,
I
mean
I
haven't
gotten
out
in
front
of
this
thing.
B
But
my
intention
would
be
to
go
to
the
public
with
with
items
that
are
basic,
not
build
any
more
stuff.
We
got
enough
stuff,
look
at
either
replacing
things
that
we
have
been
falling
down
around
our
ears
or
shore
them
up
to
make
them
usable
for
the
citizens,
as
community
I.
Think
the
challenge
in
doing
that
would
be
that
it
would
not
generate
even.
O
B
It
would
give
us
the
flexibility
to
listen
to
the
public
and
craft
that
list
and
then
go
back
out
to
them
again,
make
sure
we've
heard
right
and
I
think
the
I
won't
presume
to
speak
for
the
school
board.
I
would
imagine
their
concerns
would
be
similar,
and
that
is
that
it
would
not
truly
meet
some
of
the
things
on
their
radar
screen.
Right
now,.
G
G
The
other
thing
that
I
have
passed
out
to
you,
it's
just
a
one-page
summary
of
all
the
sales
tax
rates
throughout
the
state
of
Georgia.
There
are
86
counties
within
Georgia
that
have
8%
67
that
have
7%,
and
there
are
some
Fulton
actually
has
two
counties,
whether
you're
in
Atlanta
versus
not
in
Atlanta.
The
cab
is
the
same
way.
They're
up
at
eight
point:
nine
percent.
In
Atlanta
we
did
check
with
Phoenix
city
within
the
city
limits
they're
at
nine
point.
Five
percent
outside
the
city
limits
at
eight
point.
Seven
five
percent
so
are
seven.
G
Eight
percent,
where
we're
currently
at
is
within
the
range
of
the
other
counties
throughout
the
state
of
Georgia,
and
there
are
some
that
are
up
to
nine
percent.
There
is
one
at
nine
percent
throughout
the
state,
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
information
to
you
as
far
as
sales
tax
throughout
the
state,
as
well
as
in
Muskogee
County
and.
B
M
The
earth
there
are
no
additional
questions
related
to
sales
tax
that
will
conclude
the
presentations
on
government,
Center
planning,
the
government,
center
options
and
sales
tax
funding
options
and
I
hope
that
the
sales
tax
piece
was
helpful.
I
thought
it
might
be
helpful
for
mayor
and
council
and
for
the
public
if
we
could,
if
we
pulse
this
because
it
you
know,
we
get
asked
the
questions
all
the
time.
Why
can't
you
a
police
officers
with
the
tea
sauce?
You
know
well,
there's
a
reason,
so
we
want
to
just
kind
of
educate
people
on
this.
B
I
M
Certainly
get
that
done
thank
God
today
and
so
I've
got
the
HR
director
president
we're
going
to
talk
about
health
and
wellness
center,
and
we've
got
some
guests
you're.
Actually
with
us
Wendy
white
director
of
planning
clinical
services,
er,
ATC
and
I
was
thinking
our
HR
director
was
around
here
somewhere,
but
I
don't
see
your
so.
T
Thank
You
mr.
city
manager,
mayor
and
council,
we
wanted
to
have
our
health
and
wellness
center
vendor
care.
Atc
common,
just
speak
with
you
briefly,
and
provide
a
update
on
the
health
and
wellness
center.
We
met
with
the
health
care
task
force.
The
council
health
care
task
force
earlier
this
year
in
February,
knows
April
timeframe
and
provided
a
detailed
update
on
the
health
and
wellness
center.
Specifically,
they
provided
a
deep
dive,
a
lot
of
the
outcomes
of
the
health
and
wellness
center
and
a
lot
of
the
work
that
has
been
down
there.
T
But
I
do
want
you
all
in
for
everybody
watching
to
get
a
good
analysis
of
what
is
actually
going
on
at
the
health
and
wellness
center,
and
it's
something
that
we
can
look
at
with
pride
in
terms
of
the
investments
that
we've
made
at
the
health
and
wellness
center.
The
news
is
positive
and
it
continues
to
be
positive
and
I'm
real
excited
about
what
is
happening
at
the
health
and
wellness
center.
I
continue
to
receive
very
positive
feedback
from
patients
from
those
participating
in
the
health
and
wellness
center.
T
The
mousse
is
very,
very
good
and
I
think
we
have
a
good
partnership
with
Kari
TC,
in
that,
when
things
do
arise
that
the
health
and
wellness
center,
they
really
work
with
us
from
a
partnership
standpoint
in
resolving
those
issues.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
feel
real
real
good
about
it.
But
I
do
we
have
Wendy
white
representative
with
carry
TC,
she's
kind
of
taught
with
you
in
more
detail
about
some
of
the
good
things
that
are
happening
at
the
health
and
wellness
center
and
she's,
provided
a
handout
for
you
today.
T
U
Thank
You
ether,
Ezra
Thor,
said
I
did
present
the
full
report
in
April
of
2019
at
the
health
care
task
force
meeting.
So
in
the
interest
of
time
today,
I
wanted
to
provide
you
the
full
report
for
anyone
who
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
reviewing
it
previously,
but
I've
flagged
just
eight
pages
within
the
report
to
save
a
little
bit
of
time
today
and
I
think
that
it
provides
the
greatest
highlight
of
the
overall
program
that
Kari
TC
is
administering
on
behalf
of
Columbus
consolidated
government.
U
In
addition,
we
recently
participated
with
the
city's
program
to
create
a
video
promoting
the
services
of
the
health
and
wellness
center,
and
so
we're
excited
to
see
the
many
ways
that
we
do
our
outreach
to
the
patients
and
that
we're
able
to
accomplish
a
positive
message
out
there
regarding
the
benefits
that
are
available
to
the
patients.
Just
by
way
of
history
care,
ATC
became
a
part
of
the
health
and
wellness
center
program
in
June
of
2016,
so
our
first
full
year
of
services
was
in
2017.
U
This
is
the
full
year
2018
report
of
services,
and
so
there
is
one
particular
slide
in
here
that
that
maybe
appears
like
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
utilization
and
activity
in
2016,
but
it's
only
a
partial
year.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
There
were
major
plan
design
changes
in
2018,
as
as
many
of
you
are
aware
that
resulted
in
a
larger
population
being
eligible
to
use
the
health
and
wellness
center.
U
So
if
you'll
turn
in
your
presentation
to
the
first
tab,
it
is
actually
the
clinic
utilization
summary
you're
able
to
see
that
you
had
a
total
number
of
visits
in
2018
at
the
health
and
wellness
center
of
8,000
177,
those
our
healthcare
provider
visits.
Those
do
not
count
the
individual
lab
appointments
or
patients
coming
in
just
for
their
medication
refilled
pickups.
This
is
actual
health
care
provider
visit.
That
is
a
thousand
seventy-three
more
visits
than
the
prior
year.
So
there
was
definitely
an
increase.
U
Another
area
that
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
is
the
overall
no-show
rate
of
five
percent
is
significant
in
that
it
was
a
decrease
of
58
percent
over
2017,
where
we
worked
with
readers
team
to
develop
a
no-show
policy
and
get
that
communicated
to
the
masses
and
really
send
the
message
of
the
the
courtesy
of
cancelling
your
appointment
to
make
that
appointment
time
available
to
other
patients.
So
we
saw
a
great
success
with
that.
U
46
percent
of
the
visits
in
2018
were
acute
services,
things
that
popped
up
overnight
or
needed
to
be
seen
within
a
day
or
two,
and
the
remainder
of
the
visits
are
related
to
chronic
condition
and
preventive
care.
So
the
next
slide
that
we
have
here
is
the
member
engagement
just
wanted
to
highlight.
If
you
look
down
in
the
in
the
bottom
right
corner
here,
you
see
it
looks
like
three
little
pills:
lines
of
pills,
patient
utilization,
so
23%
of
the
patients
who
visited
the
health
and
wellness
center
in
2018
had
only
one
visit.
U
18%
had
two
and
59%
of
the
patients
had
three
or
more
visits.
The
reason
that
this
is
impactful
is
it
means
that
the
people
who
are
using
the
health
and
wellness
center
are
engaged
enough
to
come
back.
There
they're
engaging
in
care
they're,
engaging
in
their
health
care
and
later
in
the
program
I'll
be
able
to
show
you
some
of
the
outcomes
related
to
those
patients
who
have
that
continuous
engagement
with
care
et
Cie.
The
next
tab,
actually
I'll
have
to
jump
ahead
here
in
the
slideshow.
U
That's
on
the
screen
is
the
Net
Promoter
Score,
so
Kay
ITC
has
worked
together
with
John
Redmond,
the
city
auditor,
to
to
come
up
with
multiple
methods
of
patient
feedback
opportunities.
Patients
are
currently
offered
a
upon
exit
of
their
visit
to
just
answer
a
few
questions
regarding
their
experience
and
we're
capturing
that
information.
In
addition,
we
send
the
patients
an
email
asking
them
a
simple
question:
how
likely
are
you
to
recommend,
carry
TC
to
a
family,
member
or
a
co-worker,
and
then
they
rate
rate
their
experience
on
the
scale
of
one
to
ten?
U
We
had
888
total
responses
in
2018
745
patients
scored,
carry
TC
and
nine
or
a
10
out
of
10.
So
I
think
that
that's
that's
a
very
significant,
the
next
page
or
the
next
tabbed
page
relates
to
the
health
screenings
that
we
do
on
an
annual
basis
and,
as
you
are
aware,
with
the
health
plan
changes
in
2018,
it
incentivized
the
patients
to
go
through
the
health
screening
process,
whether
or
not
they
were
utilizing
the
services
of
the
health
and
wellness
center,
and
that
was
tied
directly
to
their
cost
of
premium.
U
With
that
plan
design
change,
there
was
a
263
percent
increase
in
utilization
of
the
health
screenings
in
2018.
We
fully
expect
that
number
to
remain
very
high
and
to
increase
this
year
as
well.
We've
been
working
diligently
with
readers
team
to
plan
out
those
events
in
the
fall
and
to
make
it
as
convenient
and
accessible
to
the
employees
and
the
spouses
as
possible.
U
The
next
slide
that
I
have
is
the
is
three
circles
here
and
it's
related
to
carry
TC
risk
stratification.
So
it's
the
pie,
charts
page
this
pie,
chart
page
really
is
when
you
just
look
at
it
at
a
glance,
and
you
see
red,
yellow
and
green.
It
doesn't
necessarily
show
a
significant
impact.
Risk.
Stratification
comes
along
after
the
health
screening
takes
place.
U
We
then
look
at
the
overall
risk
of
the
population
de-identified,
of
course,
but
we're
able
to
narrow
down
men
what
conditions
need
the
most
attention
in
the
health
and
wellness
center
in
the
services
that
we're
recommending,
through
Shaw,
hankins
and
and
through
readers
team.
In
addition
to
that
how
we
administer
the
individual
health
coaching
program,
so
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
graph,
that's
for
2016
and
then
the
graph
that
is
for
2018.
U
If
you
look
in
2016
when
we
initially
assumed
and
had
been
a
very
small
population
participating
in
the
health
screenings,
that
the
high
risk
of
that
population
was
8.33%
Meyer
at
risk,
sixty
point,
six
eight
and
low
risk
was
thirty
point
nine.
Eight.
By
the
time
we
did
the
risk
stratification
for
the
results
of
last
year's
health
screenings.
U
It
resulted
in
an
overall
reduction.
Your
high
risk
is
now
at
five
point
four:
two
percent,
your
low
risk
increased
by
almost
10%
ten
percent
of
the
population
that
continued
to
do
these
health
screenings
had
a
decrease
in
to
the
green
meaning
that
they
were
no
longer
at
risk
for
their
disease
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
very
impactful
statement.
U
So
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
which
for
in
a
way
I
think
is,
is
for
me
if
you
had
to
throw
one
slide
on
the
screen
and
present
it
to
Council.
I
think
this
is
probably
the
one
that
we
would
want
to
use
the
year
of
the
year.
Coaching
score
improvement
details
at
the
top
of
the
page.
It's
the
one
with
the
arrows
at
the
top
of
the
page.
Here
we
had
the
health
coaching
program
went
into
effect
in
2017
we
had
individual
or
one-to-one
health
coaching
options
for
patients.
U
They
do
come
into
the
health
and
wellness
center
for
their
care.
They
also
have
the
option
of
doing
video
based
services
if
they're,
if
they're
at
a
greater
distance-
or
perhaps
someone
is
unable
to
take
the
time
to
come
into
the
health
and
wellness
center
we
had
of
those
returning
participants
who
did
the
year-over-year
coaching
services.
Both
years,
we
saw
a
forty
seven
percent
improvement.
U
Bmi
weight
is
the
hardest
area
to
have
overall
improvement
and
47%
of
those
participants
had
a
decrease
in
their
BMI,
their
diabetes
results.
58
percent
of
the
participants
improve
their
a1c
blood
pressure,
54
%,
HDL
cholesterol,
which
is
actually
the
good
cholesterol,
38%,
still
improved
their
results.
59%,
though,
on
the
bad
cholesterol,
I
think
this
is
really
an
impactful
slide
to
show
such
a
significant
improvement
you're,
not
just
talking
about
one
or
two
individuals,
you're
talking
about
a
group
of
people,
who's
found
value
in
the
services
and
continue
to
engage
in
those
services.
U
U
The
next
slide,
I
have
talks
a
little
bit
about
productivity
and
really
it's
a
hard
thing
to
measure.
It's
the
purple
slide
here.
It's
a
little
bit
harder
thing
to
measure,
but
we
estimate
across
our
book
of
business,
that
with
the
convenience
and
the
location
of
the
health
and
wellness
center,
approximately
one
hour
of
work
is
lost
by
employees,
I'm,
so
sorry
to
advance
the
slide.
Approximately
one
hour
is
lost
in
in
their
work
day
by
coming
over
to
the
health
and
wellness
center
for
their
care.
U
If
they
have
to
have
that
same
care
on
Main
Street,
they
sometimes
have
to
take
half
day
if
they
have
to
travel
outside
of
the
area,
even
a
full
day
of
work
off
off
of
work
in
order
to
obtain
those
services.
So
we
estimated
that,
as
an
average
of
four
hours
away
from
work
for
any
Main
Street
care,
that
is
on
the
traditional
health
plan
that
results
using
the
average
hourly
wage
of
the
employees
at
Columbus.
Consolidated
government
results
in
an
estimated
savings
of
four
hundred
forty
two
thousand
dollars
just
in
lost
productivity.
U
According
to
these
statistics
at
12
to
13
point
reduction
in
systolic
blood
pressure
can
reduce
heart
attack
risk
by
21
percent.
In
addition
to
the
individual
and
family
devastation,
heart
attack
costs
78228
to
21.
In
the
first
90
days
of
care,
you
had
87
patients
who
had
a
decline
in
their
point
reduction
of
12
to
13
percent,
which
resulted
in
an
overall
cost
savings
of
1.4
million
dollars.
U
So
it's
difficult
to
measure
these
types
of
savings,
because
the
claims
are
no
longer
occurring,
but
I
think
that
it's
very
impactful
to
remember
that
the
prevention,
the
approach
to
care
increasing
the
health
screenings
so
that
we
now
can
identify
the
risks
of
the
population
and
we
can
begin
to
target
those
conditions
are
always
that
lead
to
that.
Overall
savings
in
the
end.
U
So
I
really
commend
Columbus
consolidated
government
for
your
efforts
to
to
make
improvements
to
the
program,
to
add
services
and
and
to
follow
the
guidance
of
not
only
Carey
TC
but
Shaw
Hankins
in
making
decisions
regarding
the
benefits.
So
that
concludes
my
summary
of
the
services.
We
do
have
the
full
report
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
related
to
the
health
and
wellness
center.
B
Doesn't
appear
to
be,
and
even
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
This
is
great
news.
I
mean
it's
great,
obviously
from
the
cost-containment
standpoint,
but
even
more
than
that.
It's
great
news,
because
we're
through
y'all
are
innovating
in
ways
to
keep
our
employees
healthy
and
prolong
their
time
with
their
families.
Let
them
leave
better
lives
and
the
fact
that
they're
accepting
of
this
and
taking
advantage
this
is
just
outstanding.
So
thank
you
for
your
efforts.
Rita
thank
you
and
what
your
team
has
done
today.
Thank.
M
So,
thank
you
as
well
and
mayor
and
council.
We
want
to
continue
to
provide
updates
to
you
regarding
the
health
and
wellness
center.
It's
the
mayor
had
said
it's
great
for
our
employees
and
for
this
government,
and
we
see
over
the
years
that
we've
operated
the
health,
the
health
and
wellness
center,
the
savings
to
the
government
and
taxpayers
as
a
result.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
Thank.
M
The
final
update
mayor
and
council
is
the
Muscogee
County
Jail
maintenance.
You
keep
hearing.
We
had
lower
water
pressure
this
weekend,
Columbus
Water
Works.
They
were
doing
some
work
and
we've
had
shower
issues
and
floor
issues
and
just
generator
issues
and
different
things
with
the
jail,
and
we
kind
of
just
kind
of
wanted
to
update
you
on.
What's
going
on
at
the
jail
and
director
Pat
Biegler
is
here
to
do
that.
M
B
V
Just
to
give
you
some
background,
of
course
the
gel
is
built
in
two
stages,
one
part
of
the
building
in
84
and
the
other
part
in
2002
altogether
we're
looking
at
about
a
hundred
and
seventy-two
thousand
square
foot.
We,
as
you
know,
I
came
in
it
a
a
report
card
we've
done
innocent
we've
done
an
assessment
of
buildings
and
the
jail
building
has
ss
at
addy
for
the
entire
building,
and
that
means
it's
got.
Some
system
failures.
More
than
one
system.
Failure
going
on.
We've
now
started
evaluating
each
of
the
different
systems
within
the
building.
V
This
is
a
sample
because
the
jail
is
one
of
the
first.
We
did.
The
AC
system
actually
has
27
units
total
in
that
building
and
two
chillers
and
I
would
because
of
the
r22
issues.
I
would
rate
that
definitely
as
an
F
they're
all
older,
they
all
have
problems.
The
roof
is
about
a
B
we've,
keeping
a
close
eye
on
that.
We
haven't
been
having
any
major
issues:
the
generator
brand-new
it
was
completed
last
month
and
is
fully
functioning
and
doing
well
the
facade
of
the
building.
V
We
have
some
bricks
that
are
failing
and
we've
had
that
engineering
has
done
an
evaluation
of
that
and
it's
in
an
area
where
the
public
is
not
threatened,
but
we're
keeping
an
eye
on
that
two
plumbing
and
piping
is
starting
to
show
some
issues.
That's
an
F
electrical,
not
bad.
The
systems
are
starting
to
get
overloaded
because,
as
you
know,
we
keep
adding
all
kinds
of
things
that
need
to
be
electric
you
we
need
electric
for
and
we
give
that
a/c
at
this
time
the
interior
finishes.
The
inmates
are
pretty
rough
on
the
building.
V
Those
constantly
need
to
be
worked
on
and
we
do
that,
but
I
would
give
that
an
F
to
the
heating
is
all
electric
and,
at
some
point
we're
not
having
major
problems.
But,
as
you
know,
it's
expensive
and
it's
tricky
and
at
some
point
we
need
to
look
at
replacing
that
we've
done
some
work
on
the
hot
water
tanks
for
the
jail,
but
we
have
two
very
large
stainless
steel
tanks
for
the
for
the
inmate
showers,
etc.
Hot
water
and
those
are
so
both
starting
to
show
some
minor
leaks.
V
So
we're
going
to
have
to
look
closely
at
that
and
the
elevators
are
functioning
well
they're
ugly,
but
they
are
finished
functioning
well.
So
I
would
give
that
a
see
just
to
put
things
in
focus
facilities.
Management
has
about
24
people
who
act
turn
wrenches
for
all
the
six
to
seven
hundred
occupied
buildings.
V
Mcp
only
has
one
permanent
person
and
after
we
finish
looking
at
the
jail,
we
need
to
start
looking
at
mCP,
because
it's
starting
to
age
and
show
some
of
its
some
wear
and
tear
and,
as
you
know,
we've
got
four
people
in
the
government
center
and
not
a
plumber.
Unfortunately,
but
we
do
keep
four
people
over
there
full-time
recent
issues.
We
have
had
a
number
of
them.
The
low
water
pressure
was
actually
a
waterworks
water
main
break
issue.
They
were
still
working
on
it.
V
Yesterday,
the
air
conditioner
we've
been
very
concerned
about
the
main
part
of
the
building.
There
are
four
very
large
units
and
it
reaches
that
has
reached
the
point
now,
where
the
compressor
is
one
or
two
go
down
every
summer.
We've
had
one
down
this
summer,
and
luckily
we
were
able
to
rebuild
and
replace
one
of
on
one
of
the
four
units.
The
compressor
they've
been
rebuilt,
twelve
to
fourteen
fifteen
times
and
we're
running
out
of
luck.
Let's
just
say
that
we're
running
out
of
luck
with
those
the
as
I
briefed
you
prior.
V
We
have
our
twenty
two
and
most
of
the
AC
units,
many
of
them
in
the
city,
281,
I,
think
included
in
that
were
all
of
the
the
air
conditioners
at
the
jail.
They
all
have
our
22,
and
that
is
a
chunk
of
money,
we'll
be
using
some
of
our
interest
facilities,
infrastructure
money
to
take
care
of
some
of
those
and
we've
already
replaced
three
or
four
around
the
city.
We
we've
had
issues
with
hot
water
in
the
laundry
those
issues
have
been
taken.
V
Care
of
we've
had
issues
with
the
kitchen
floor
and
that
has
been
replaced.
We
have
had
major.
They
have
had
major
issues
with
the
showers
leaking
and
not
being
properly
sealed.
That
project
is
going
on
right
now
and
has
been
funded,
and
we
had
a
couple
of
electrical
issues
that
generally
had
to
do
with
the
work
we
were
doing
on
the
generator
replacement
and
those
were
playing
shutdowns,
but
they
still
disrupt
life.
V
If
you
don't
have
as
much
electric
as
you
generally
need
current
projects,
the
showers
funded
through
the
CIP
engineering
is
working
this
project,
the
generator
replacement,
just
went
in
last
month.
You
approve
that
in
the
budget
a
year
or
two
ago,
in
our
facilities
infrastructure
funding.
For
this
year,
we
identified
four
smaller
air
conditioning
units
that
were
leaking
sufficiently,
that
we
needed
to
go
ahead
and
will
be
with
replacement
and
we'll
be
starting.
V
Those
in
early
September
that's
going
to
be
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
freh
structure
funds,
and
then
the
four
large
units
are
the
ones
that
are
most
concerned.
We've
got
a
design
underway
using
facility
infrastructure
funding.
We
will
be
getting
a
design
back
in
early
to
mid-august.
This
will
require
that
we
shut
down
the
air
conditioner
through
the
winter
months
and
for
that
reason,
timing
is
getting
to
be
very
critical
as
estimated
cost
as
a
million
dollars
and
Finance
is
looking
at
funding
right
now
so
well,
we'll
keep
moving
forward
with
that
excuse.
I
V
V
M
When
something
breaks,
it
is
it's
a
real
I'm
trying
to
find
the
right
word.
It's
a
challenge
because
we've
got
to
do
a
search
all
over
the
world
found
a
port
and
it's
you
know
they
don't
make
the
part,
and
you
got
to
find
someone
to
design
it
and
create
it,
and
when
I
hear
the
stories
I'm
I'm
baffled,
but
but
they
don't
you
just
can't
call
them
up
and
order
it,
and
so
that's
part
of
what
what
we
they
go
through
in.
M
M
And
if
we're
going
down,
we
would
have
been
shut
down
because
I
was
trying
to
figure.
How
do
you
pay
60,000
for
them
to
build
this
new
one,
but
they'll
reach
you
a
temporary
one
for
30
days
for
30,000,
and
so
it's
that
kind
of
stuff
going
on
that?
Some
of
it.
You
don't
know
about
that,
drives
staff,
maintenance
and
people
crazy,
but
I
just
want
you
two
to
know
that
they
don't
make
like
the
thing
that
broke.
O
V
V
If,
if
we
had
followed
the
traditional
path,
we
would
have
had
to
have
one
hand
made
piece
by
piece
and
then
we
would
have
had
to
actually
get
a
crane
that
goes
up.
Take
part
of
the
roof
off.
There
isn't
even
room
to
remove
the
fan
out
of
that
unit
without
taking
the
roof
off
and
craning
it
out,
so
our
guys
got
in
there
and
it
took
them
quite
a
bit
of
time,
but
they
were
able
to
reconstruct
inside
the
machinery.
The
fan
that
that
blew
up
so.
M
You'll
get
to
hear
stories
because
I
don't
come
and
tell
you
about
every
story
like
that.
But
it's
you
know
some
people
ask
what
keeps
you
up
at
night.
The
building
will
keep
you
up
at
night.
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
so
but
anyway,
when
you
ask
that
question
is
just
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
there's
some
nightmare
situations
in
the
jail
is
the
same
way
to
just
don't
manufacture
the
part
anymore.
K
The
jail
would
be
ran
by
the
Sheriff's
Office
right
correct,
so
all
that
would
be
in
there,
but
what?
What
kind
of
in
their
budget?
How
much
do
they
do?
They
line
item
for
these
kind
of
items?
I
know
some
of
these.
You
can't
see
I
mean
if
it
happens,
it's
just
what
its
emergency,
but
how
much
do
they
keep
on
an
annual
it's
an
angular.
M
Basis,
it's
actually
a
facility
maintenance
budget
because
they've
ain't,
a
all
these
buildings,
we
have
more
buildings
and
when
you
say,
however,
many
buildings
we
have
you're
talking
about
every
restroom
and
apart
standalone
rest
just
buildings.
But
but
the
answer
is
question:
would
you
respond
to
that
about
how
you
maintain
all
of
these
abilities?
It's
all
in
your
budget.
It's.
V
V
V
K
M
K
R
Morning,
yes,
also
within
Public
Works
budget
in
the
general
file
for
other
repairs
and
maintenance,
it's
about
1.1,
almost
1.2
million.
That's
in
that
repair
and
maintenance
budget
that
Public
Works
utilizes
for
parks
and
recreation
facilities,
government
buildings
and
public
safety
facilities
and
I
do
believe,
and
director
Bueller
can
attest
to
this
about
more
than
half
that
money
is
utilized
on
public
safety
facilities.
V
M
Tells
you
the
rails
are
broken
at
this
location
on
the
route.
Well,
you
know
we
don't
have
a
budget
and
maintain
this
budget
for
Riverwalk.
It
comes
out
of
that
pot
of
money,
so
you
know
we
got
to
go
down
and
repair
rails
and
so
they're
stretched
with
personnel
and
their
stretch
with
maintenance
monies
to
keep
these
things
so.
V
M
Things
it's
a
challenge,
and
you
know,
and
so
I
just
really
want
to
highlight.
You
know
some
things
you
never
you
know,
I
don't
come
tell
you
that
they
don't
make
that
big
fan.
That's
as
large
as
that
the
ramp
has
the
sill.
It
is
round
and
you
can't
just
go
and
buy
it
off
the
shelf
and
even
if
you
could
buy
it,
you
can't
get
it
out
of
the
building
because
it
it's
the
way
the
building
is
constructed.
M
V
V
We
have
looked
closely
at
the
jail.
We
still
have
18
other
AC
units
with
our
22
coolant
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
replaced
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
I'd
say
if
that
were
at
all
possible.
The
plumbing
is
just
beginning
to
experience.
Small
leaks,
pinhole
leaks
and
we're
starting
to
have
little
leaks
pop
up
I
had
one
in
the
lobby
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
it's
you
know
we
need
to
now
we're
seeing
those
signs.
V
We
need
to
evaluate
what
it's
going
to
take
to
fix
that
and
put
a
cost
estimate
on
it.
Rather
than
waiting
to
the
point
where
we
have
major
flooding
going
on.
We
have
two
very
large
hot
water
tanks,
they're
stainless
steel
they're
starting
to
leak
and
that's
going
to
be
about
$100,000
and
the
electric
heating
needs
to
be
looked
at
very
closely,
and
we
need
to
do
an
estimate
for
that.
V
So
we're
going
to
get
the
cost
so
we're
going
to
evaluate
what
needs
to
be
done,
we're
going
to
try
to
prioritize
those
and
keep
coming
back
and
talking
about
what
money
we
need,
because
it's
some
of
those
just
cannot
come
out
of
that
750.
We
only
started
in
Public
Works
receiving
facilities
infrastructure
money
about
four
years
ago
and
prior
to
that,
we
didn't
even
have
other
than
just
the
right
routine
maintenance
money.
V
We
did
not
have
anything
for
projects,
so
this
is
allowing
us
to
start
taking
care
of
a
few
things
here
and
there,
and
it
also
allows
us
not
to
scramble
madly
for
emergency
funds.
If
an
air
conditioning
goes
down,
we
just
took
care
of
the
emergency,
the
air
conditioning
at
Parks
and
Rec
office.
It
failed.
You
know
the
in
the
middle
of
April
May,
hotter
than
all
blazes.
V
We
were
able
to
replace
that
almost
hey,
good
Jim
we're
getting
ready
to
replace
the
air
conditioner,
so
we're
using
utilizing
those
funds
and
we
have
two
or
three
projects
with
cooling,
towers,
etc
in
the
government.
Center
we're
spending
that
money
on
those
things
so
we're
going
to
keep
analyzing,
keep
putting
together
lists
and
keep
talking
about
costs
so
that
you
have
a
better
idea
of
what
we're
up
against
and
you
can
start
looking
for.
Well,
we
need
to
do
next
to
start
dealing
with
some
of
this
any
questions.
Councillor.
B
K
You
know,
didn't
the
city
manager
we.
What
are
we
doing
if
we
know
these
things
and
whether
they
happen
in
a
year
or
two
three,
you
know
they
could
go
out
at
any
time,
but
are
we
if
we
know
that
today,
we
squirrely
and
for
lack
of
a
better
term
squirreling
money
away
and
something
that
would
be
there
and
to
deal
with
this
issue
instead
of
budgeting
it
every
year
and
it's
gone,
then
we
have
to
go
into
the
fund
balance.
Are
we
doing
anything
like
that?
Well,.
M
M
Fund
reserve
without
a
loss,
and
so
we
we
got
a
you
know
it
used
to
be
no
old
loss
and
we
had
90
days.
What
have
you
and
then
old
loss
came
in
and
the
old
lost
it's
more
than
the
old
that
the
reserve
and
and
we
got
to
move
it
back,
the
opposite
direction
and
and
that's
our
goal.
Well,
we've
we've
talked
about
it
and
we
focused
on
that
and
and.
K
You
know-
maybe
that's
something
L
can
discuss
about
putting
a
little
bit
aside.
So
when
budget
time
comes,
that
money
is
aside,
you're,
not
budgeting,
that
money
are
using
it
or
it's
not
gonna,
be
used
by
decisions
during
the
budget
process
that
get
us
back
to
sixty
day.
The
challenge
has
always
been
we're
always
been
up
against
that
60-day
mark
and
there's
really,
you
know
you
shun
the
thought
of
having
an
emergency.
Where
is
that
gonna
come
from?
B
And
I
can
tell
you
that,
is
it
say
how
much
will
move
the
needle
with
the
focus.
One
big
focuses
of
mine
and
I'm,
going
to
be
presented
to
council
through
the
different
budgets
that
we
drop
in
front
of
you
is
to
correct
that
balance.
In
my
opinion,
start
getting
a
greater
percentage
of
the
fund
balance
being
reflected
in
the
general
fund
fund
balance.
Then
in
the
and.
B
And
we
are
gonna
start,
you
know,
I,
welcome
any
calls
or
suggestions
from
counsel,
we're
gonna
start
sort
of
preliminary,
like
Purnima
preliminarily
doing
our
budget
in
August,
and
that's
that
represents
about
a
four
or
five
month
head
start
on
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
and
the
specific
objective
is
to
do
more
strategizing.
Taking
a
look
at
some
of
these
challenges
that
the
department
heads
to
tell
us
about
every
year,
I
heard
about
him
when
I
was
on
council,
we
just
didn't.
B
K
H
K
B
B
Representative
Richard
Smith
had
earlier
tried
to
require
that
to
be
a
certain
percentage
of
SPLOST,
monies
earned
be
set
aside
for
maintenance,
which
does
take
legislative
approval,
because
that
would-
and
that
would
be
under
the
current
current
law
that
that's
not
allowed.
But
we're
gonna
ask
him
to
revisit
that
and
allow
us
to
proactively
set
some
of
this.
If
we,
if
we
rewarded
as
flaws,
set
some
of
the
money
aside
for
maintenance
of
of
the
things
we're
revitalized
right.
K
I,
don't
I
think
that's
great
to
put
a
little
edge'
slative
wish
list
or
whatever,
but
I
mean
that's.
Look!
That's
how
it's
done
in
private
sector.
Three:
four
percent
on
average
for
reserve
a
capital
replacement.
So
then
banks
somewhat
require
that
if
not
they
do
require.
That
I'd
be
great.
If
we
could
do
that,
I
think
some
of
the
concerns
in
the
past
was
a
splotch
was
that
you
didn't
have
enough
money
to
maintain
the
stuff
that
gets
old
and
right.
I
say
that
I
said
it
earlier
stuff
to
tear
eh.
K
M
Mayor
the
finance
director
just
pointed
out
I
think
director
Bigler
pointed
out
that
the
air-condition
at
the
jail
has
to
be
replaced
and
they're
going
to
be
doing
that
fairly
soon.
But
we
are
going
to
be
coming
back
to
you
all
in
the
agenda
to
use
two
days
of
reserve.
I
think
it's
about
a
million
dollars
because
there
is
no
funding
source
to
take
care
of,
they
see
the
jail
and
it
has
to
be
done
so
there
again.
It's.
H
Was
just
gonna
follow
up?
It
took
me
a
minute
to
pull
it
up,
but
the
first
part
of
the
capital
outlay
project
definition,
talks
about
land
and
structures
such
as
would
be
properly
chargeable
to
a
capital
asset
account
and
as
distinguished
from
current
expenditures
and
ordinary
maintenance.
So
you
can't
use
it
for
that
and
then
like
to
find
courthouses
and
different
buildings
that
you
have
to
use
it
for.