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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 8/30/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Council Rules of Order taking place Tuesday, August 30th 2022 in the Dearborn Heights Council Chambers and via Zoom.
A
All
right
welcome,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
Today
is
august
30th.
It
is
right
now
5
31
pm,
and
we
have
a
special
meeting
of
the
city
council
going
over
just
general
city
council
rules
and
rules
of
order,
robert's,
rules
of
order
and
just
different
things,
basically
cleaning
up
shop
for
our
council
meetings.
Madame
clear,
can
you
take
roll
call
please
here,
I'm
passing
them
here.
A
A
C
A
So
the
purpose
of
this
particular
meeting
we
found,
sometimes
the
meetings,
would
take
a
little
bit
longer
that
maybe
we're
comfortable
with,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
go
over
some
of
the
rules
of
order
that
we're
going
to
be
that
we
have
been
following
and
we'll
continue
to
follow
and
then
also
like.
I
said,
cleaning
up
shop
a
little
bit
just
like
we
do
with
our
house.
Just
like
we
do
in
our
business.
A
A
Basically,
we're
just
going
to
be
discussing
it
and
everybody
will
be
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to,
of
course
speak.
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
just
a
couple
of
items
that
have
been
of
concern.
I
did.
We
did
put
together
a
meeting
with
the
help
of
our
chair,
not
sure
I'm
sorry
of
our
chief
of
staff,
mariana
hernandez
and
through
mml
with
coco's,
her
name
and
she
came
and
did
a
class
for
us.
I
think
about
three
three
and.
B
A
First
of
all
on
each
motion,
each
council,
member
in
in
council
members
you're
welcome,
of
course,
to
open
this
up
to
discussion
if
you'd
like,
but
each
council
member
should
only
speak
no
more
than
two
times
promotion.
So
in
other
words,
if
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor,
councilman
muscat
makes
a
motion.
You
know
I
motion
that
we
are
going
to
build
a
park
or
whatever
any
other
council
member
may
comment
on
that,
but
no
more
than
twice
there
really.
A
D
We'll
go
ahead
and
talk
about
each
one,
one
by
one
and
piggybacking
on
that.
If
you
ever
turn
the
tv
on
watch
c-span
where
they
have
the
legislative
bodies
of
the
senate
of
either
state
or
senate
they're
allotted
x
amount
of
time
to
speak
right,
we
should
also
implement
something
like
that,
because
if
there's
something
that
you
need
to
say
about
a
particular
agenda
item,
you
should
have
already
have
done
this
by
reading
the
package.
Okay
and
have
your
thoughts
already
jotted
down.
D
I
agree
and
it
shouldn't
take
more
than
30
seconds
to
speak
your
opinion
and
then
wait
a
second
turn.
If
somebody
has
something
you
can
jot
down
a
note
and
say
it
on
your
second
term,
all
right,
so
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
come
to
a
conclusion
amongst
the
seven
of
us
of
how
much
time
that
is
being
30
seconds
or
one
minute.
I
don't
think
it
should
take
longer
than
a
minute.
I.
A
100
agree:
okay
and
when
I
first
came
on
council,
probably
about
seven
eight
years
ago,
when
I
first
seen
the
rule
of
two
minutes
in
my
brain
at
the
time,
I
thought:
how
could
you
put
a
thought
together
for
two
minutes
almost
impossible,
but
I've
come
to
find
out
that?
Yes,
absolutely
it
is
possible.
Yes
I'll
implement
that.
So,
yes,
absolutely
agree.
H
B
A
We
follow
our
own
council
procedures,
which
are
put
together
by
the
council
members
through
the
years
and
then
putting
together
the
different
council
rules
of
order
which
we
have
already
and
was
emailed
to
all
of
us
by
our
clerk,
but
at
the
same
time,
so
the
even
even
the
roberts
rules
of
order.
We
don't
have
to
follow
them.
You
know,
specifically,
we
follow
whatever
rules
we
have
put
together
so
technically
and
it's
a
discretion
of
the
council
chair
too.
A
Technically
I
could
have
you
councilman
ahmad
or
anybody
speak
for
not
thank
you.
I
have
already
speak
for
nine
and
a
half
hours
on
one
particular
subject,
but
that
would
not
be
fair
to
the
residents
or
for
the
council
members
or
for
the
people
in
in
here,
so
try
to
limit
that
as
much
as
you
can
to
two
minutes
councilman.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any.
A
I
believe
to
me
the
way
I
would
look
at
it,
I'm
just
giving
my
personal
opinion.
I
think,
for
the
council
members
not
necessarily
a
time
clock,
because
if
there's
something
important
when
you
go
a
little
bit
over
two
minutes,
that's
okay!
But
let's
try
to
be
conscious
of
that
two-minute
factor
and
at
any
time
we
could
look
at
the
clock
right
above
the
clerk
right
there
and
be
able
to.
D
Tell
how
much,
but
are
we
gonna
set
a
time,
so
we
can
be
conscious
of
the
fact
that
hey,
I
got
two
minutes
to
say
what
I
gotta
say
or
a
minute
to.
We
should
come
up
with
with
a
time
limit
and,
like
I
said
once
we
speak
once
we
wait
for
everybody
else
to
speak,
and
then
you
get
your
second
chance
and
you
should
be
able
to
be
able
to
rebut
whatever
somebody
said
if.
A
J
I
I
B
A
D
I
finally
found
it,
but
it
says
10
minutes.
I
think
10
minutes
is
way
too
much,
because
we
have
a
tendency
in
all
of
us
and
I'm
including
myself
in
it.
When
I
say
we
me
included,
we
have
a
tendency
to
speak
about
every
almost
just
about
every
single
agenda
item
and-
and
I'm
gonna
go
further
on
this,
and
a
lot
of
these
questions
should
have
been
ants
asked
via
email
or
a
phone
call
to
a
director.
So
we
could
cut
this
stuff
short
now.
D
You
may
not
like
what
you
get
from
them
and
you
can
bring
it
up
at
a
council
meeting
but
again
the
time
that
we're
we're
spending
on
some
of
these
agenda
items
is
way
overboard.
I
agree:
okay,
okay
and
it's
a
repetition
from
one
once
one
meeting
to
another
meeting
and
back
to
another
meeting.
So
I
I
don't
like
the
ten
minute
I
like
personally
that
me
it
was
only
a
minute,
but
if
two
minutes
is
satisfactory
to
the
rest
of
the
council
meetings,
that
would
be
great,
I'm
comfortable
with
too
much
that's
counseling.
D
D
A
D
K
A
Okay,
so
during
certain
council
meetings-
let's-
let's
not
forget
whatever
it
sounds
like,
for
example,
on
the
warren
valley.
Golf
course
was
a
pretty
controversial
situation.
Anything
like
that
is
no
matter
how
you
slice
it
up.
It's
always
going
to
be
a
little
bit
longer,
but
your
standard
stuff
on
typical
general.
I
don't
know
it-
should
not
take
that
long.
So.
A
A
K
A
A
A
So
if
you
decide
to
run
for
office-
and
you
take
this
thing
seriously
as
we
should-
please
be
here-
ideally
at
the
worst
case,
10
minutes
early
because
you
should
be
in
sit
down
settled,
your
back
is
in
front
of
you
you're
ready
to
roll.
I
commit
to
come
and
er
come
in
early,
I'm
not
gonna
name,
the
other
ones
that
come
in
early
or
the
ones
that
come
late.
But
let's
take
this
thing
seriously
and
show
up
on
time,
because
walton
at
the
last
second
is
not
gonna.
Make
you
an
effective
council
members.
A
This
one
shouldn't
be
said,
but
I'm
just
gonna
straight
up,
say
it
okay!
Next
one,
this
one
is
for
the
rules
of
order.
It
is
not
my
rule,
it
is
not
a
dictatorship
situation
or
anything
along
the
lines
of
that
and
I
get
it
sometimes
there's.
You
know
someone
needs
to
take
a
restroom
break
if
you
need
to
take
a
restroom
break
and
I've
addressed
it
with
all
you
guys
individually,
but
I'll,
just
state
it
again
or
for
whatever
crazy
reason
you
have
to
leave,
for
you
know
a
minute
or
whatever
it
is.
A
A
The
primary
purpose
of
that
is,
there
could
be
an
important
vote
coming
up.
There
could
be
something
let's
say
I
as
a
council
chair,
I'm
going
to
be
bringing
up
and
when
I
bring
it
up
or
it
comes
up
and
council
person,
you
know
x,
y
and
z,
decides
to
go
to
the
restroom
they're
going
to
miss
out
on
that
particular
vote
or
an
important
vote.
So
please
go
through
the
council
chair
and
then
at
that
point
yeah,
I'm
not
gonna
say
no.
Unless
I
think
it's
something
very,
very
important.
That's
coming
up.
A
B
M
G
A
Your
text,
my
back
teeth,
are
floating
yeah
all
right,
so
these
items
I
want
to
go
over.
We
talked
about
the
four-minute
rule
that
coco
gave
us
during
the
study
session
she
mentioned.
No
council
members
should
speak
for
no
more
than
four
minutes
total.
So
if
there's
a
motion,
you'll
have
the
first
two
minutes
and
then
you'll
have
maybe
an
additional
two
minutes.
A
If
you're
going
to
come
back
with
something
else,
so
let's
say
a
motion
is
made
by
councilman
bay
dune
and
his
motion
is
all
right:
we're
going
to
open
up
a
new
park,
okay
and
he
mentions
whatever
he
wants
to
mention
after
the
motion
and
then
councilman
wenzel
says
something
else
about
it
and
then
council
vermont
says
something
else,
but
then
that
councilman
we
do
want
to
speak
again
on
that
subject
again,
we're
going
through
on
the
honor
system.
Try
to
keep
that
under
two
minutes.
A
Yeah
that
we've
adopted
throughout
the
years
through
resolutions
and
what
have
you
but
it's
ten
minutes-
is
too
long.
I
would
quit
for
I'll.
Have
every
council
member
speak
ten
minutes
on
every
item?
So
it's
way
too
long.
I
think
you'd
agree
it's
too
long.
I
absolutely
okay,
so
I
think
four
minutes
per
council
number
and
look
if
it's
some,
it's
extremely
important.
Maybe
a
council
member
needs
a
few
more
seconds.
You
know
it's
we're
not
getting
that
technical,
but
just
be
conscious
of
that.
Please
counsel.
Okay,.
D
Anybody
else
having
I
have
other
things
but
go
ahead
and,
and
you
know,
and
I'm
just
bringing
up
things
that
were
brought
up
in
that
meeting
by
our
parliamentarian,
okay
and
when
the
public
addresses
us
and
talks
to
us.
We
try
to
limit
as
much
as
we
limit
ourselves
from
speaking
back
to
them.
She
says
you
know
the
robert
rules
of
orders
to
say
thank
you
for
your
comment
and,
let's
not
you
know,
get
it
because,
once
we
start
speaking
to
him,
that's
when
people
start
getting
heated
up.
Okay,
that
was.
D
A
B
A
I
and
I'm
taking
this
personally.
I
was
totally
against
it,
including
right
now,
because
to
me
when
a
resident
comes
up
takes
the
time
to
drive
to
the
council
meeting
stands
in
front
of
us.
Seven
people
that
are
supposed
to
represent
that
particular
resident
and
says:
hey,
I
wanna
you
guys
are
gonna,
be
spending
25
000
on
carpeting,
or
you
want
to
update
city
hall
or
whatever
it
is,
and
I
feel
like
this
is
absolutely
ridiculous,
because
x,
y
and
z,
and
all
we
do
is
just
stare
at
them
and
just
say.
A
D
But
the
thing
is
but
but
not
go
into
a
debate
about
it.
But
again,
but
again
when
you
have
someone
ask
you
a
question
like
this,
and
it's
almost
like
asking
you
what
you're
going
to
vote
on
before
we
even
bring
a
motion.
Emotion,
we
should
not
be
saying
I'm
against
it,
I'm
going
to
vote.
No,
I'm
going
to
you
can't
you
should
never
tell
your
vote
before
the
actual
vote
starts.
Okay,
we've
done
that.
All
of
us
have
done
that
at
one
point,
I'm
going
to
vote
no
on
this.
D
Well,
you
shouldn't
say
that,
because
you're
you're
voting
before
the
motion
is
either
being
made
at
that
particular
time
now,
if
you,
if
you're
debating
on
something
on,
we
make
a
motion
to
accept
something
a
council
person
say
well
in
my,
I
don't
like
it
because
this-
and
this
is
why
I'm
gonna
vote.
No,
that's!
Okay,
because
emotions
already
made,
but
during
the
people
coming
up,
you
should
never
tell
them
what
you're
gonna
vote
on
so.
D
D
K
Yeah-
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
many
times
when
somebody
came
up
here
and
said
something
when
not
many
of
us
really
bickered
back
so
far
has
been
short.
It's
been
very
simple,
very
short,
I
don't
think
we've
really
had
you
know
many
other
than
the
golf
course.
I
don't
think.
We've
seen
anything
where
anybody
has
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
some.
I
think.
A
M
A
Know
what
I'll
do
because
that's
the
direction
we
want
to
go.
I
think
what
I'm
noticing
here.
It's
got
to
be
like
a
kind
of
a
compromise
between
the
two,
not
not
answer
them
at
all,
but
not
going
to
a
full-blown
debate,
so
the
compromise
is
maybe
I'll
answer
them.
As
a
council,
chair
short
to
the
point
and
I'll
say
we're
not
going
to
go
into
a
full
discussion
on
this,
we'll
be
going
over
to
a
full
discussion
on
this
under
7a
I
mean
I.
A
Know
they
came,
you
know,
but
the
point
he's
making
is
like.
Let's
say
what
the
point
that
councilman
ray
musk
is
making.
Let's
say
a
resident
comes
up
and
says
you
know,
I
want
to
know
how
you
guys
feel
about.
You
know
issa
brothers
taking
over
the
golf
course.
Let's
say
hypothetically
right.
What
he's
referencing
is
we
shouldn't
go
into
a
debate
where
each
and
every
council
member
gives
their
opinion
on?
I
agree
with
him
because.
K
A
M
K
L
Okay,
that
counselor
oh
quickly,
yeah.
I
remember
the
evolution
of
the
rule
and
councilwoman
horvath
said
well
yeah.
They
can
talk,
but
we
can't
answer
it,
and
that
was
ridiculous.
Now
and
once
or
twice
people
have
got
up
and
said.
I
want
to
complain
about
my
neighbor
they're,
not
cutting
their
grass.
You
say
it's
at
the
end
of
the
day.
D
A
D
Quick
to
the
point
and
like
I
said,
if
a
certain
council
person-
and
I
I
just
brought
up
just
a
scenario
between
mo
and
myself
or
councilman
baidu
excuse
me
and-
and
I
know
he
has
the
correct
answer:
okay,
because
we've
even
talked
about
it.
Let
that
person
give
that
correct
answer.
He
could
say.
Council
chair,
I
believe
I
have
the
correct
answer
for
that
yeah
and
it's
a
quick
20-second
thing
and
be
done
and
then
just
say,
we'll
go.
E
Council
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
read
page
slide.
13
of
the
training
that
you
all
went
through.
It
says
if
a
question
from
a
public
may
be
answered
simply
go
ahead.
Counsel
is
under
no
obligation
to
respond
to
questions
during
public
comment.
Resist
debate
during
public
comment,
proceeding
officer
may
state
your
comments
are
noted.
You
could
also
answer
those
questions
when
you
go
into
debate
rather
than
right.
At
the
point
of
the
question.
D
A
D
You
know
if
we
ask
these
questions
beforehand.
We
can
get
through
the
city
business
quite
relatively
quickly,
okay
and
then
that
and
and
I'm
the
point
I'm
trying
to
get
to
and
at
the
end
when
it
comes
time
to
for
public.
You
know
when
city
council
members
are
allowed
to
speak
after
before
the
public
is
is
done
for
public
announcements.
You
can
let
the
people
know
that
hey
look
at
I've
called
directors,
I've
sent
emails.
I
got
answers.
D
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
proper
answers
to
the
directors
who
I
called
and
do
it
then
not
during
a
meeting
after
almost
every
every
time
we
mention
a
have
a
motion.
Hey.
I
want
to
thank
this
person.
I
want
to
thank
that
person
and
you
asked
a
question.
The
question
should
have
already
been
asked
and
answered
before
the
meeting.
That's
the
proper
way
of
a
council
person
to
conduct
business
right
and
you've
got
to
con.
This
is
city
business.
D
A
And
I
want
to
add
some
today
so
a
part
of
the
timeline.
Is
you
get
your
packets
on
thursday
late
afternoon
or
thursday
evening
or
whatever?
Let's
say
you
go
over,
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
go
over.
It's
very
minimal.
You
start
going
over
on
friday
saturday,
whatever
works
for
you,
okay
you're,
going
to
have
discussions,
possibly
calling
the
council
chair
to
ask
a
question,
possibly
calling.
Maybe
another
council
member
to
ask
a
question
or
whatever
questions
you
have
at
least
this
technique.
A
You
call
them
and
if
you
think
it's
something
after
they
give
you
the
answer,
you
know
what
I
asked
them
about.
You
know
I
don't
know
how
do
they
move
cars?
They
have
been
abandoned
for
five
days.
I
called
the
police
chief
and
he
told
me
this
is
something
that's
on
our
agenda.
Hypothetically
then
say
you
know.
I
spoke
with
the
police
chief
on
monday,
and
this
is
what
he
told
me,
and
I
just
thought
that
I
should
say
this.
So
all
the
different
council
members
can
know
this
this
way.
L
And
then
all
of
this,
it's
it.
Let's
have
our
meetings
where
we're
conducting
the
business
and
not
in
the
past.
Some
people
have
like
they'll,
take
one
current
claim
and
they'll
they'll
use
it
to
make
an
attack
that
that
needs
to
be
legitimate
debate.
But
to
you
to
try
to
you,
know,
there's
in
every
city,
there's
the
a
group
in
the
b
group
to
try
to
you
know,
make
it
into
an
attack
or
a
surprise.
That's
that,
let's
stress
all
to
just
conduct
the
business
of
you
know
the
the
council
yep.
A
No,
no,
okay,
no
okay!
So
a
couple
other
items,
just
little
laundry
items,
direct
all
comments
and
questions
through
the
council
chair.
The
reason
that
rules
in
place
for
robert's
rules
of
order
is
not
so
that
the
person
that's
chairing
any
meeting
for
that
matter
throughout
the
united
states.
It's
not
because
that
person
becomes
a
dictator,
and
I
definitely
for
one
don't
want
to
be
that
type
of
a
person.
Obviously
the
purpose
of
going
through
the
council
chair.
So
you
can
keep
some
sort
of
order.
A
A
A
The
reason
for
that
is
so
that
they
can
put
the
packet
together.
They
go
over
it.
They
give
it
to
myself.
This
is
how
the
order
goes.
They
send
it
to
me
as
a
council
chair
by
wednesday
morning
typically,
and
they
say
council
share,
can
you
prove
that
particular
agenda?
We
add
or
subtract
if
we
had
to,
but
then
we're
done
now.
They
go
through
a
lot
of
paperwork,
a
lot
of
time,
a
lot
of
blood,
sweat
and
tears,
putting
the
packet
together,
okay
and
then
they
send
it
over
to
all
of
us.
A
But
then
a
director
or
somebody
from
administration
or
a
council,
member
or
dave
abdallah
or
anybody
decides
to
add
one
more
item
on
the
agenda.
Well,
some
council
members
that
say
councilman
wenzel's
already
gone
through
his
pack
and
done
everything
he
needs
to
get,
and
then
we
have
something
that's
being
added.
On
tuesday
we
have
our
meeting
at
6
p.m
and
on
tuesday
at
5
15
I'm
sending
because
it
was
an
emergency.
You
know
a
30
page
packet
to
all
of
us.
That's
not
fair!
A
No
because
one
of
the
council
members
may
be
on
their
way
to
here.
They
may
be
grabbing
a
quick
dinner
before
the
meeting.
So
please
please,
please,
for
everybody
is
hearing
this
no
last
minute
items
unless
it's
an
absolute
emergency-
and
this
is
where
I
take
my
given
powers
and
I
look
at
and
see,
and
they
have
to
prove
to
me
that
it
is
absolutely
an
emergency
and
time
sensitive.
A
L
A
Absolutely
and
because
nobody
gets
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
read
it
sometimes
you
know
you
know
we
all
have,
of
course
jobs.
We
all
have
other
commitments
in
our
lives,
so
get
something
at
five
o'clock
or
3
30,
for
that
matter,
on
tuesday
is
absolutely
just
not
acceptable.
Chief
of
staff.
You
stole
this
from
me.
I
had
it
circled
right
here,
rules
of
public
comment.
A
A
This
one
is
important
because
I
think
ourselves,
sometimes
residents-
and
sometimes
people
on
zoom
et
cetera
et
cetera,
is
is,
is
getting
away
from
that
and,
as
I've
said
many
many
times
in
past
meetings,
I
will
let
anybody
speak
as
long
as
they
stay.
Respectful,
there's
no
need
to
yell,
no
need
to
scream
no
need
to
name
calls,
no
need
to
say
private
information
about
either
council
members
or
vice
versa,
about
residents
the
decorums
got
to
stay
there.
You
got
to
preserve
order.
A
A
L
L
That
regard,
if
we
can
go
over
quickly
or
know
your
thoughts
on
so
in
in
a
question,
comes
up
in
involving
the
mayor
asking
the
mayor,
the
mayor
and
or
corporation
council,
but
mainly
the
mayor.
So
you
know
somebody
says,
gets
up
and
says
you
know:
there's
been
there's
a
terrible
crime
such
and
such
at
such
and
such
time,
and
you
know
what
what
are
your
thoughts
on
just
having
the
mayor
speak
or
not,
speak
at
all.
In
the
past
people
have
said
it's
our
meeting.
The
mayor
doesn't
even
need
to
be
there.
A
On
this,
if
the
mayor's
got
something
to
say
I'll,
tell
you
my
my
opinion
on
this
so
per
the
charter
and
further
rules
of
order.
It
is
our
meeting.
That's
a
fact
that
basically
means
that
us,
as
a
council
body,
we
run
the
meeting,
but
just
because
we
run
the
meeting
doesn't
mean
we
want
to
hear
the
angle
of
one
of
the
three
bodies.
Now,
obviously,
the
judicial.
B
A
I
A
Some
particular
item-
or
maybe
another
councilman-
wants
to
hear,
because
this
is
the
person
that's
in
charge
ahead
of
the
operation
and
dealing
with
city
hall
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
So
the
thought
process
in
the
past
was
no.
I
don't
want
to
hear
from
the
mayor.
This
is
our
meeting.
I
think
it's
absolutely
ridiculous
and
almost
childlike
to
be
honest
with
you.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
the
mayor
is
going
to
run
the
meeting.
A
No,
the
meeting
is
run
by
the
council,
but
we
should
have
a
a
right
to
and
b
I'm
totally
okay
with
asking
the
mayor
of
how
he
feels
about
something.
Now
there
are
certain
cases
where,
for
example,
one
of
the
residents
came
and
was
asking
actually
it's
not
a
resident,
but
without
getting
into
the
details
or
was
asking
a
question
in
regards
to
an
investigation.
A
As
far
as
what
is
the
status
on
that
right
and
on
that,
no,
I
right
away
recognize
that
that's
not
to
be
spoken
of,
and
then
our
corporation
council
will
typically
point
it
out
to
us,
and
I
said
at
the
time
if
the
chief
would
like
to
speak
on
that
and
that's
up
to
him
and
the
corporation
council.
But
we're
not
going
to
comment
on
that
and
I
stopped
all
of
us
from
commenting
on
it
now.
Obviously,
some
of
us
knew
something
about
it,
but
it's
not
for
us
to.
A
Does
but
I
can
tell
you
this
in
my
experience
with
both
of
the
you
know,
last
two
or
three
mayors
for
that
matter.
In
general,
it's
not
been
a
problem
at
one
point,
there
was
an
attempt
to
stop
a
mayor
from
speaking
at
a
council
meeting,
and
I
am
totally
against
that
right.
One
thing
I'm
big
on
is
freedom
of
speech.
Council,
chair.
D
D
Yeah
because
it's
it's
still
our
meeting,
okay
so
and
unfortunately,
we
have
one
or
two
people
that
do
that.
All
the
time
that
want
to
constantly
and
and
a
lot
of
it
is
not
even
their
department
right,
it's
not
even
their
department,
they're
speaking,
okay,
so
that
much
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
write
that
down
as
a
bulletin
point.
A
A
I
I
don't
mind
you
guys
also
giving
us
your
input.
I
I
value
your
opinion.
No,
no,
I'm
talking
like
right
now,
if
there's
something
that
you
think
can
be
done
to
make
our
meetings
better,
more
efficient,
better
decorum,
please
comment:
this
is
this.
This
meeting
is
free
for
all.
All
of
us
are
going
to
comment
whatever
we
feel.
I.
J
I
In
and
I
know
we
want
to
give
the
chance
for
everybody
to
to
have
to
for
to
be
heard
correct.
I
agree
with
council
pro
tem
that
it's
up
to
you,
if
you
call
on
a
department
head
to
answer
that
question,
so
we'll
just
ignore
them
if
they
and
that's
what
I
think
we
if
they
have
their
hands
up,
it's
up
to
you
to
call
them.
I
The
other
part
thank
you
for
addressing
about
the
late
late
submissions.
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor's
office.
They
do
they
are
getting
the
most
of
it.
It's
just
those
light
submissions,
they're
they're
they're,
on
top
of
it
at
12
o'clock
on
tuesdays,
we
haven't
had
any
problems
with
that.
It's
just
those
last
minute
changes
or
whatever.
So
I
think
it
has
to
be
thoroughly
thought
about
what
they
are
presented.
H
I
N
I
I
B
E
E
E
However,
when
it
is
off
topic
and
not
on
the
agenda
item,
I
do
not
think
it's
appropriate
to
call
on
the
directors,
so
you
could
just
take
a
note.
Call
them
the
next
morning
give
the
phone
number
to
the
resident.
That's
asking
that
question
and
move
on
oftentimes.
They
don't
have
their
notes
or
programs
in
front
of
them
to
know
how
to
answer
that
question
in
the
first
place.
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
and.
A
Keep
in
mind
I'd
like
to
add
something
on
that
mariana,
I'm
sure
you'd
agree
with
me.
We
don't,
as
council
members
set
policy
for
the
directors,
keep
in
mind
that
they're
at
the
discretion
of
the
mayor.
So
you
cannot
call
the
director
and
we've
addressed
that
in
the
past,
I'm
not
going
to
say
specific
names,
but
where
council
members
will
call
directors
and
say
from
now
on.
I
want
things
done
this
way.
You
know
in
this
department
right
or
from
now
on.
Don't
do
that
anymore
in
this
department.
They
are
not
at
our
discretion.
E
I
D
K
D
K
D
D
Okay,
we've
had
that
before,
where,
where
people
have
put
and
I'm
going
to
just
come
out
and
say
it,
we
had
a
gentleman
that
that's
continuously
quieting
the
city
and
accusing
the
city
of
doing
things,
and
then
he
does
it
to
antagonize
us.
He
had
my
picture
up
there
also
and
doing
things
of
that
nature,
or
somebody
else's
picture
on
there
just
to
antagonize
that
person
and
try
to
get
a
reaction
from
them.
D
K
You
know
that
would
go
to
funerals,
no,
no,
they
would
they
should
show
up
to
court
and
they
would
say
things
about.
You
know,
because
you
know
once
you
become
an
elected
official
you're
open
to
you,
you're
not
hidden,
and
you
know,
there's
no
such
thing
as
slander
anymore.
It's
your
you've
ran
you've
opened
that
and-
and
I
think
it's
just
more
of
comments
I
think
is
or
like
we
just
said,
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
I
just
remember
seeing
something
on
youtube
in
this
account.
E
There
are
other
cities
that
have
it
so
again.
We
could
certainly
get
legal
counsel
on
it,
but
it's
a
simple
signs.
Placards
banners
or
similar
items
will
not
be
allowed,
we're
not
infringing
on
their
speaking
rights.
It's
just
a
matter
of
respect
and
what
they're
displaying
all
right.
Sorry,
I
got
distracted.
E
I
do
want
to
bring
up
one
item
that
we
discussed
during
the
training
that
I
think
it's
very
important
for
all
of
us
to
try
to
utilize,
which
is
the
voting
to
go
in
a
closed
session
prior
to
a
midi
meeting
or
after
a
meeting
on
a
specific
date,
rather
than
having
to
always
try
to
coordinate
it
afterwards,
because
sometimes
we
might
forget.
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
that
that
is
an
option.
So,
in
a
meeting
you
can
say
at
the
end
of
it,
I
vote
that
on
the
following
tuesday.
A
Yeah,
I
do
so
what
coco
mentioned
there
just
to
give
you
guys
the
layman's
term.
So
you
know
how
like
we
have
to
do
a
special
meeting,
so
we
have
to
do
the
pledge
allegiance.
We
can
follow
all
the
different
rules
of
a
meeting
first
before
we
go
into
a
closed
session.
Well,
meanwhile,
while
we're
in
a
closed
session,
the
clerk's
office
is
just
waiting
for
us,
whether
it's
half
an
hour
or
an
hour,
to
finish
our
closed
session.
So
what
she
referenced
is.
A
It
is
allowed
for
robert's
rules
of
order
to
say,
like
let's
say
today,
was
a
regular
council
me,
let's
let's
say
today:
well,
no,
today
we
couldn't
do
it.
It
had
to
be
a
regular
council
meeting.
We'd
say
like,
for
example,
let's
say
14
days
later
on
xyz
day
we're
going
to
go
to
a
closed
session
in
regards
to
labor
relations.
Hypothetically
right
and
now,
we've
made
an
announcement,
it's
official,
so
that
we
can
start
the
meeting
instead
of
the
six
o'clock
regular
meeting.
E
E
That's
very
confusing
for
new
people
that
are
coming
in
and
they
don't
know
which
policy
is
the
current
one,
because
there
are
multiple
ones
in
the
city
so
definitely
putting
those
out.
There
will
be
very
helpful
for
the
residents
as
well
as
us
once
it
does
get
approved,
hopefully
reviewed
by
the
council
members,
the
lawyer.
I
would
also
advise
that
you
make
the
item
searchable,
so
you
can
turn
all
pdfs
into
searchable
items
so
that
it
can
ease
our
efforts
in
searching
for
things.
L
L
L
So
that's
probably
not
going
to
be
an
issue
because
but
and
then
of
course,
no
politics,
no
political
announcements
and
then,
as
as
much
as
we
can,
I
say
this
in
my
office
all
the
time
everything
digital.
No,
I
got.
I
got
so
much
paper
everywhere
that
everything
you
know
in
in
receiving
it.
Everything
in
digital
form.
K
So
one
of
the
can
we
put
maybe
like
a
gold
like
I
know,
there's
you
know
a
lot
of
you
know.
Professionals
will
do
goals
like
hey
today's
goal.
Is
we're
only
going
to
spend
an
hour
and
a
half
to
this
entire
meeting?
Maybe
you
can
set
that
goal
amongst
all
of
us
guys,
let's
knock
this
out
by
an
hour,
it
would
be.
K
A
A
A
I
would
like
to
watch
a
lot.
I
feel
I
feel
like
honestly-
and
I
spoke
with
the
chief
of
staff
about
this.
I
feel
personally,
current
claims-
I
I
don't
think
are
absolutely
the
only
ones
that
should
be
put
on.
There
are
the
ones
that
are
absolutely
needed,
otherwise,
I've
never
felt
honestly.
They
should
be
on
that.
D
K
D
If
you
don't
get
that
clear-cut,
decisive
answer,
then
you
bring
it
up.
This
will
shorten
our
council
meetings
by
an
hour
and
a
half
the
questions
that
we
ask
are
sometimes
so
redundant.
It's
unbelievable,
okay
and
we
have
to
say
well.
Why
is
this?
And
why
is
that
wise?
Those
are
questions
that
should
have
been
already
cleared
up.
You
know
I
look
at
chief
brogan's
thing:
okay,
it's
the
fire
department.
Well,
he
definitely
can't
work
without
medical
supplies.
D
Okay,
they
can't
work
without
a
fire
engine.
Okay,
dpw
can't
go
out
and
cut
a
tree
down
without
a
chainsaw
okay,
so
I
you
know
these
are
things
that
you
look
at
okay
and
and
nine
times
out
of
ten.
We
all
vote
yes
on
on
accepting
those
six
through
24
6
through
90,
whatever
we
all
vote,
yes
on
them,
okay,
but
there
might
be
that
one
that
you
don't
like
that
shouldn't
be
paid
for
okay
and
that's
okay,
that's
okay!
D
That
should
be
always
be
done
because
that's
what
you're
being
fiscally
responsible
for.
So
I
think
they
should
still
stay
on
six
one,
the
current
claims,
but
we
don't
have
to
go
to
go
crazy
on
those
we
do.
I
like
to
send
my
emails
on
sunday
monday
afternoon.
I'm
getting
answers
back
from
everybody,
and
sometimes
I
get
phone
calls
from
the
dpw
director,
I'm
getting
it
from
the
city
engineer
I'm
getting
the
answers
from
mr
hart
and
and
mr
brogan
are
you
know,
so
I'm
already
getting
those
answers.
D
A
N
D
B
D
It's
unless
it's
part
of
the
charter,
unless
he
has
something
to
do
like,
say
he's
involved
in
a
business
that
we're
voting
on
and
he's
got
interest
in
conflict
of
interest.
That's
when
he
could
say
I
I
need
to
back
off.
I
think
there's
a
few
of
us
that
have
done
that
in
the
past
and
the
council
chair
still
has
to
vote
and
anyone
who
does
not
say
yes
or
no.
D
Actually
the
vote
would
be
yes.
The
way
it
goes
down
is
a
yes
vote.
If
you
don't
say
something:
okay
and
I
believe
that
you
know
myself
and
I
think
other
people
would
want
to
know
exactly
how
his
feelings
are
for
every
item.
Yes,
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
Okay,
because
he
could
you
know
if
that
that's
the
case,
we
could
all
sit
back.
So
I
don't
want
to
offend
nobody.
So
I'm
not
going
to
vote.
No,
you
got
to
have
you
got
to
vote
so
yes
vince,
he
does
have
to
vote.
J
A
A
For
example,
I
printed
a
lot
of
I
do
it
like
almost
on
a
regular
basis,
but
you
know
robert's
rules
of
order,
cheat
sheets,
you
print
them
online,
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff,
because
barbara's
rules
of
order
just
goes
into
deep,
deep,
deep
stuff.
That
maybe
is
on
a
congressional
level.
I
don't
think
necessarily.
We
need
here
at
a
council
member
level,
but
do
read
that
so
we
make
sure
and
and
for
a
lot
of
council
members,
we
all
got
to
be
careful
of
not
speaking
to
speak.
A
A
You
know
if
it's
something
you
want
to
just
get
to
the
audience,
maybe
put
on
facebook
or
put
it
whatever
one
of
the
social
medias.
We
don't
need
to
make
a
lot
of
announcements
and
if
you
do
feel
you
want
to
make
announcements,
that's
fine
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
let's
keep
those
to
the
minimal
and
as
quick
as
possible,
because
sometimes
what's
happening.
If
every
council
member
is
making
three
to
four
to
five
minutes
of
announcements
that
right
there
times
seven.
Let
me
talk
about.
A
D
D
So
if
there's
something
in
emotion
that
you
don't
like
something
on
the
agenda
that
you
don't
like,
don't
make
the
motion,
let
somebody
else
make
the
motion.
Okay
and
you
still
can
make
the
motion,
but
not
talk
negatively
toward
it
and
still
be
able
to
vote
no
okay.
So
let's
remember
that.
So
if
there's
something
that
you
want
to
speak
negatively
of,
don't
make
promotion
and
let
somebody
else
make
it
okay.
D
D
Yeah,
but
I'm
just
saying
now
on,
if
we,
if
they,
they
know
what
they're
coming
up
the
administration
that
we
got
to
have
something
we
can
do
it
on
a
day
like
today
and
that's
what
I've
been
doing.
Okay,
so
I
mean
we
were
steered
the
wrong
way,
because
I
remember
throughout
the
years
I
would
show
up
here
at
city
hall,
so
I
know
it's
we're
at
a
close
meeting
today.
I
couldn't
come
in
so
I
just
turned
around
and
went
home.
D
And
we
wish
they
shouldn't,
but
we
were
still
doing
it.
I
mean
we
were
having
council,
we
would
start
here
at
six
o'clock,
then
we'd
get
up
we'd
go
into
the
room
there
right.
We
already
knew
that
was
going
to
be
a
closed
session
coming
up.
We
should
have
had
it
the
week
before
the
week
or
the
night,
the
following:
that's
what
I've
been.
G
Okay,
a
few
months
ago
there
there
was
a
situation.
I
thought
that
was
very
important
to
me
and
the
safety
of
myself
and
fellow
council
members,
and
I
brought
it
up
to
the
police
chief.
I
visited
with
him
and
I
asked
that
if
we
could
have
police
presence
at
the
city
council
meetings-
and
he
told
me-
I'd
have
to
get
approved
for
the
mayor
or
the
council
chair,
and
so
I
emailed
the
mayor
council
chair,
I
believe,
the
rest
of
the
council
and
the
council
chair
responded.
G
He
said
you
didn't
feel
that
there
was
a
just
cause
or
not
enough
of
your
threat
to
warrant
police
protection.
Now
someone
else
was
determining
if
I
was
threatened
enough
or
not
on
that
situation
and
no
plea
and
I
threatened
it.
I
wouldn't
attend
a
meeting
without
it,
but
I
came
anyway
and
a
few
meetings
back.
G
J
D
G
And
20
on
502
23
maintenance
of
order
number
four.
It
says
unauthorized
remarks
from
the
audience:
stamping
the
feet
whistling
yelling
or
similar
demonstrations
shall
not
be
permitted
by
the
council,
chairman
or
chairwoman
that
that
person
shall
direct
the
sergeant-at-arms
to
remove
such
offenders
from
the
room
right
there.
So
we
need
we
need
a
sergeant-at-arms.
We've
always
had
a
police
officer
up
until
last
year
or
two
where
they
stopped
coming
for
some
reason:
yeah.
D
Yeah
we
should
have
a
police
officer,
be
a
police
officer
should
be
a
sergeant-at-a-bar
because,
let's
face
it,
you
know
we
could
be
some
training
here
that
somebody
knows
how
to
handle
themselves
real
well
or
somebody
has
a
weapon,
but
that's
a
police
policeman's
job.
It's
not
our
job
to
be
a
like
a
vigilante
or
something-
and
god
knows
I
know
all
about
that
stuff.
Yeah.
G
K
K
D
A
K
I'll
I'll
give
you
let's
go
ahead:
councilman
councilman,
that's!
Okay
with
you,
I'm
going
to
agree
with
him
on
that,
but
I'm
also
going
to
agree
that
god
forbid
somebody
does
walk
in
here
because
they're
mad
at
the
city,
because
their
taxes
are
high
and
they
just
start
shooting.
What
am
I
gonna?
Do
I'm
gonna
hide
under
here?
If
there's
nobody
here,
that's
not.
A
Right
if
the
council
chair
decides
to
do
that
now,
one
of
the
things
that
have
factored
in
is-
and
I
can't
get
into
the
specific
conversation
but
there's
also,
let's
keep
in
mind
a
cost
to
that.
So,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
police
officer
here,
we're
already
short
staffed
with
police
officers,
so
more
than
likely
it
would
be
an
overtime
type
of
situation.
You'll
have
a
police
officer
here,
paying
overtime
for
every
council
meeting
for
two
three
four
or
five
whatever
it
is
hours.
A
In
my
in
the
last
just
seven
years
that
I've
been
on
the
council,
there's
not
been
one
situation
where
I've
felt
so
threatened
physically,
not
me
or
anybody
else
physically
has
some
residence
every
once
in
a
while
gotten
a
little
bit
out
of
order.
Yes,
but
whoever
is
the
council
chair
is
to
typically
put
them
right
back
in
line,
keep
in
mind
whether
it's
here
or
at
my
house
or
anywhere
else.
A
D
D
D
Somebody
wanted
to
call
their
husband
to
come
up
and
and
do
bodily
harm
to
people,
and
I
also
feel
for
council
councilman
wenzel,
because
that
did
happen
and
a
couple
of
minutes
is
better
of
life
and
death.
So
if
we
do
have
a
sergeant-at-arms
and
we
could
have
a
police
officer
here,
you
know
I'm.
You
know
I'm
adamant
on
having
a
police
officer
here
personally
and
because
at
one
time
dave
excuse
me,
council
chair,
we
even
wanted
these
back
doors
closed,
because
we
couldn't
see
anybody
coming
in
that
way.
D
A
A
D
A
A
So
if
you
guys
feel
and
say
you're
again,
I'm
not
taking
a
dictatorship
in
this
thing,
but
if
you
guys,
as
a
body,
feel
you
want
to
bring
a
police
officer
and
have
them
here
for
two
three
four
hours
and
pay
them
overtime,
while
they're
here
for
the
next
four
and
a
half
years,
because
in
2016
something
happened,
that's
up
to
you
guys.
I
feel
I
I
don't
feel
it's
needed.
K
I
respect
that,
but
look
at
the
end
of
the
day.
We
have
to
make
sure
as
a
body
that
we
take
the
right
measures
right
now.
Nothing
may
have
happened
and
god
willingly,
thank
god
nothing
has
happened,
but
if
this
one
time
something
does
happen,
yeah
then
then
we're
all
that
far
and
if
somebody
one
day
does
put
your
life
on
harm
or
in
danger
or
anyone
else's
look.
The
councilman
was
afraid
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
know,
if
he's
afraid,
that's
that's
how
he
feels.
I
can't
control
it.
K
A
K
Look
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
know
that's,
not
our
jobs
and
and
to
be
you
know
certain
protected
by
our
police
officers.
There's
nothing
wrong
with
it,
and
you
know
what
one
of
the
reasons
for
this
meeting
is.
So
we
don't
have
four
five
six
seven
hour
meetings
anymore,
conduct
business.
Potentially
we
can
put
a
goal
up
and
say
an
hour
and
a
half
we're
going
to
conduct
our
business
that
people
speak.
D
Two
hours
and
council
chair,
we
recently
had
a
problem
when
we
were
doing
the
meetings
at
riverside
library,
where
two
people
in
the
audience
came
in
and
police
had
to
separate
them.
We
had
that
problem
and
that's-
and
we
haven't
heard
the
end
of
that
yet
so
there's
there's
incidents
that
have
happened
here
in
the
very.
K
A
L
L
L
L
O
A
There's
a
couple
council
members
that
have
a
concern
about
that
and
we're
having
a
discussion
about
that,
and
this
is
where
you
come
in,
but
there
was
also
a
point
that
was
made
about
whether
a
resident
can
come
in
with
an
open
carry
into
a
council
meeting,
and
I
brought
up
the
point
of
what
happened
in
lansing
a
couple
years
back.
If
you
recall
it's.
H
O
Well,
we're
having
a
lot
of
significant
horrific
events.
You
know
that
are
occurring
in
places
over
the
weekend,
grocery
stores
right.
So
I
can
tell
you
one
of
my
previous
communities.
It
has
been
a
long-standing
tradition
to
have
at
least
one
uniformed
police
officer-
that's
been
assigned
to
the
council
meeting.
They
have
roles
that
take
place
prior
to
the
meeting
and
where
they're
supposed
to
be
where
council
is
setting
up,
leaving
their
items
preparing
for
the
meeting,
it's
something
that
we
should
probably
sit
down
and
and
have
further
discussion
on.
O
There
are
many
rules
and
kind
of
like
some
little
niches
that
are
carved
out
for
open,
carry
in
certain
areas,
so
we
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
violating
anyone's
rights.
But
it's
kind
of
the
lawyer
answer
tonight,
but
I
think
what
we
need
to
have
is
a
little
bit
more
discussion
on
it
and
find
out
exactly
what
the
intent
is.
D
To
chief
hart,
my
big
thing
is
is
if
someone
in
the
audience
does
get
unruly,
who
removes
them?
I
mean
we're
not
trained
for
none
of
this
stuff,
a
police
officer
at
least
has
has
the
ability
and
the
training
to
be
able
to
handle
that
situation
or
or
def
and
they're
trained
to
defuse
things
of
that
nature.
Okay
and
I
believe,
that's
their
their
job.
We've
had
that
in
the
past
we
had
again
I'm
going
to
mention
2016
with
with
a
councilwoman
and
myself
with
someone
from
the
audience.
D
Another
incident
just
happened
here
at
riverside,
not
in
the
past
year,
okay,
where
two
two
people
in
the
audience
got
into
it
and
again
with
councilman,
wenzel
feeling
threatened
and
rightfully
so
so
I
I
again,
the
council
chair,
doesn't
believe
we
need
it.
I
believe
we
need
it
and
I
think,
as
a
as
a
rule,
we
should
ask
ourselves
right
now:
do
we
want
that
police
person
here
or
not,
and
I
from
my
understanding
I
think
the
chief
of
police
is
ready
and
and
able
to
have
that
happening.
O
O
O
This
is
just
somebody
that
is
expressing
themselves
and
they're
very
emotional,
and
you
may
not
feel
the
same
way
from
your
seat
within
the
council
meeting.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
sit
down
and
establish
those
rules,
train
our
police
officers
on
what
their
role
is
if
they
were
called
upon
to
be
at
a
council
meeting
and
then
make
sure
that
we're
we're
living
up
to
that
policy
and
perspective.
But
in
the
meantime,.
D
But
in
the
meantime,
I
believe
council
right
now
should
have
their
consensus
of
we
want
a
police
officer
or
not,
and
if
we
do,
we
go
ahead
into
that
meeting
with
with
the
police
chief
with
the
council
chair
and
established
rules
on
how
that's
going
to
happen,
but
we
should
already
be
letting
everyone
know
we
want
it
or
we
don't
want
it.
I
think
it
should
be
done
here
today.
I
don't
think
it
should
be
held
up
any
longer
and
that's
how
I
feel
about
it.
D
L
L
So
you
can't
say
you:
if
there's
a
threat
or
something,
then
somebody
can
be
arrested
and
number
three
yeah.
We
traditionally
we
used
to
always
have
two
police
officers
at
the
meeting.
Now
this
was
a
bigger
space,
but
it's
you
know
as
far
as
overtime
there.
There
are
some
there's
a
big
trend
that
people
were
saying.
Look
don't
have
your
city
attorney
at
the
meeting.
It's
an
extra
expense.
You
don't
need
it.
Then
a
bunch
of
cummings
mcclory
did
that
the
the
founders
of
the
mmrma
they
said,
but
it's
stupid.
K
K
K
G
Okay,
councilman
wenzel.
Thank
you.
Nearly
a
year
ago,
at
oxford,
high
school,
there
was
signs
of
problems
with
a
student
that
several
events
took
place
prior
to
a
tragedy
and
they
were
basically
ignored
and
and
then
a
terrible
thing
happened.
So
we
don't
want
to
be
closing
the
barn
door
after
the
horses
get
out.
A
I
You
said
possibly
meeting
with
with
the
chief
okay,
so
if
you
do
that
there
are
several
things
where
it
says:
maintenance
or
our
maintenance
of
order
on
how
to
handle
situations
that
may
arise.
Okay,
so
keep
in
mind
that
bring
that
with
you,
so
that
we
can
update
those
policies.
If
you
choose
to
do
that,
also
when
it
says
in
our
maintenance
of
order,
a
lot
of
them
say
shall
shall
maintain.
I
I
M
I
do
feel
the
same
way.
I
don't
feel
threatened
right
now,
but
I
I
mean
I
feel
with
councilman
wins,
so
I
might
be
trying
in
the
future.
So
I
think
a
uniformed
officer
can
probably
you
know,
put
people
in
check
like
you
know,
you
know
saying
something
or
or
maybe
thinking
about
threatening
somebody
they
can
pop
people
and
check.
So
I
I
would
say
why
not
having.
D
That's
not
what
we're
saying
what
we're
saying
is
in
case
something
does
happen.
We
do
have
someone
that's
trained
to
be
able
to
handle
the
situation,
I'm
not
saying
go
ahead
and
remove
the
person
but
be
trained
to
be
able
to
either
defuse
a
situation
or
to
to
protect
you.
If
somebody
physically
wants
to
attack
you
and
that's
happened.
Okay.
F
L
Of
course
you
need
a
police
officer
number
two
we're
talking
about.
Nobody,
there's
a
very
rare
occurrence
where
you
can
physically
throw
somebody
out
of
the
meeting
correct
you.
So
we
don't
it's
not
council
chair,
I'm
I'm
sick
of
so
and
so
saying
you
know
there.
I
we
had
an
issue
regarding
that
when
denise
maxwell
was
chair
and
who
was
too
enforced
but
yeah
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
we
should
have
a
officer
here
just
as
part
of
the
in
every
courtroom
downtown.
L
L
A
D
D
Is
but
we
still
have
a
sergeant
on
the
farm
right,
that's
what
we
want
a
sergeant
of
arms
and
that
sergeant
of
arms,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
should
be
a
police
officer,
because
we
say
employee
of
the
city.
Well
is
is
engineer
deep
deb
going
to
do
something
or
is
mariana
she's
she's,
an
employee
of
the
city.
Have
her.
Do
it
sergeant
r,
that's
ridiculous!
Triple
blackberry
are
going
to
respect
the
badge,
and
I
think
our
our
chief
has
something
to
say
chief,
oh,
I
think
he
froze.
O
O
The
second
would
be
if
things
start
to
get
heated
up,
to
use
the
tools
in
our
training
for
de-escalation
right,
because
I'm
with
all
of
you,
the
absolute
worst
thing
we
can
do
is
have
to
remove
someone
from
one
of
our
council
meetings
right
and
then
finally
would
be
to
have
a
trained
police
officer
there.
Armed
that
would
be
able
to
respond
to
a
critical
incident
of
someone
that
decides
to
try
to
harm
city
council
or
someone
within
the
within
the
council
chambers.
A
Absolutely
and
chief
is,
it
seems,
like
the
you
know,
I'm
in
disagreement.
You
know,
as
you
know,
I'm
very
plump
with
my
feelings,
I'm
a
disagreement.
I
don't
think
we
need
that
type
of
a
cause
for
a
full
meeting
on
a
regular
basis,
but
I
also
respect
the
consensus
of
the
council
of
the
body
and
I
like
to
vote
or
go
in
the
direction
of
what
most
of
us
feel
so
most
of
us,
or
most
of
them,
feel
they'd
like
to
have
a
police
officer
present.
G
A
A
L
The
issue
at
the
capitol
was,
if
that
you
can't
ban
in
a
public,
place
certain
kind
of
guns,
and
then
there
were
all
these
shootings
and
there's
these
gun
extremists.
Let's
call
them
up
in
the
gallery
with
these
big
automatic
weapons,
but
it's
that's
a
whole
different
different
scenario.
The
current
attorney
general
wanted
to
ban
those
those
show
these.
You
know
automatic
weapons
and
stuff
in
the
capitol
building
and
the
there's
a
body
in
the
legislature.
That
makes
the
rules
and
they
eventually
pass
that
did
okay.
A
G
A
That,
based
on
the
based
on
the
council
rules
and
I've,
read
that
particular
one-
a
council
member,
does
have
a
right
to
go
through
those
types
of
documents,
provided
obviously
that
they're
not
looking
at
personal
information,
of
course,
because
they
won't
have
access
to
that.
But
generally
yes,
they
can.
G
A
A
Okay,
any
other
we're
gonna
go
to
public
comments
next,
so
in
general,
on
public
comments.
Just
to
give
you
guys
a
little
bit
of
a
update
as
far
as
how
the
general
counsel
rules
are,
residents
can
come
up
up
to
three
minutes.
They
can
have
up
to
three
minutes
on
public
comments
and
speak
to
anything
pertaining
the
city,
but
technically
they
can
come
up
and
talk
about
anything
they
want,
ideally
we'd
like
for
them
to
come
in
and
speak
about
city
matters.
A
There
are
cases
where
somebody
comes
up,
and
this
is
the
first
time
they've
ever
come
up
and
they've
not
approached
any
department
had
like.
Let's
just
say
they
have,
I
don't
know
bad
dog
two
doors
down
that
keeps
barking
24
7.
and
I'm
using
that
as
an
example
and
they've
come
to
the
council
meetings
and
during
public
comments,
they
want
to
comment
on
public
comments
and
talk
to
three
minutes
about
that
dog.
That's
barking.
A
Did
you
say
that
we
have
a
alarm
with
a
dog
bark
going
off
so
yeah?
We
we're
getting
full
3d
effect
here.
So
we
have
a
dog
parking.
Okay,
usually
we
tell
that
resident.
Although
they
have
a
right
to
speak
during
the
public
comment,
we
let
them
know
it's
best
to
start
with
the
ordinance
and
only
if
you've
gone
nowhere
with
ordinance.
Maybe
come
back
and
speak
to
the
council
members,
but
technically
they
do
have
a
right
to
speak
about
anything
they
want
during
the
public
comments
section
now
I
do
know.
A
D
A
E
Hi,
so
with
regards
to
the
item:
seven
sorry
501
23
7
that
councilman
wenzel
was
talking
about
where
it
says
that
the
city
council
shall
have
collectively
or
individually
the
authority
to
inspect
at
any
reasonable
hour
any
and
all
records
books,
documents
and
papers.
Yes,
absolutely,
but
there
is
a
difference
between
inspecting
what
is
in
existence
and
requesting
documents
and
reports
that
do
not
exist.
E
That
puts
a
new
task
on
some
of
our
police
officers,
which
is
an
administrative
request
that
would
have
to
be
appointed
by
the
mayor.
If
such
task
is
going
to
require
a
lot
of
time.
That
is
the
same
reason
why
we
charge
for
foias,
for
example,
because
pulling
those
documents
does
require
time
from
our
staff.
So
that
would
be
one
of
my
answers
and
the
second
one
would
be
in
certain
cases.
E
There
are,
of
course,
legal
matters
that
could
be
potential
lawsuits
or
are
current
potential
lawsuits.
So
it
is
a
courtesy
to
let
the
mayor
know
what
you're
looking
for
that
way,
we
can
assign
the
appropriate
person
who
is
tracking
that
information
or
who
has
the
information
you're.
Looking
for
good
point.
N
A
C
A
A
C
C
Over
the
city,
operation,
meaning
interference
with
administrative
policies
and
procedure,
can
be
handled
through
legislatively
oversight
financial
side.
This
is
one
number
two.
Every
every
document
goes
on
the
city
council
agenda.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
the
city
council,
as
a
city
council,
to
be
available
for
for
the
public.
C
C
A
C
From
previous
lecture
at
the
college,
this
is
part
of
my
way
of
explaining
as
much
as
using
the
r
and
r
and
r.
So
again,
the
you
know
in
regard
to
the
you
know,
current
claims,
all
the
all
the
current
claims
that
have
been
approved
by
the
mail
according
to
the
charter
using
the
mail
privilege
to
approve
it
as
necessary
to
be
paid
between
city
council
meetings,
it
doesn't
have
to
come
to
the
city
council.
C
It
doesn't
because
you
will
receive
it
later
on
during
the
monthly
report
or
you
can
receive
it.
You
know
from
the
treasury,
which
is
required
by
the
charter
for
the
czech
register.
So
maybe
maybe
you
know,
three
quarters
of
the
current
claim
can
be
reduced
not
being
brought
to
you.
You
know
for
counsel
approval.
D
D
So
I
understand
and
if
there's
problems
that
we're
doing,
and
I'm
the
first
one
to
admit
that
if
we,
if
we're
making
mistakes
that
could
be
conveyed
to
us
via
an
email
saying,
I
think
you
made
a
mistake
in
the
way
you
did
you,
procedurally
that
you
did,
but
we
can't
have
this
at
every
meeting.
I'm
sorry.
D
And
that's
fine,
I
I
I
stand
to
be
corrected.
So
if
it's
c-e-e-d,
let's
keep
it
to
that
because
there's
been
times-
and
I
have
to
tell
you
you
get
off
subject
and
then
you
try
to
take
everybody
to
school,
we're
not
in
the
classroom
here
we're
trying
to
do
the
business
of
the
city
and
get
it
done
and
that's
all
thank.
C
You
I
hope,
I
hope
that
everybody-
and
I
do
I
agree
with
you
sometime,
but
I
will
stop
when
it's
necessary
to
be
stopped.
So
this
is
this
has
been.
This
has
been,
I
mean
you're,
discussing
now
to
to
reduce
the
timing,
and
I
am
proposing
that
a
lot
of
those
you
know.
Currency
claims
should
not
be
presented
to
you,
because
it's
been
approved
by
the
mayor
or
previously
approved
by
a
motion
by
you
to
be
paid.
D
A
A
N
N
A
D
I
don't
think
you
can
consolidate
those
events,
because
each
one
is
an
individual
item
that
they
purchased.
Okay,
all
right,
so
you
know
they
could
go.
You
know
a
lot
of
times,
even
when
I
was
working,
our
departments
would
try
to
put
everything
all
in
one,
so
nobody
would
look
at
it,
okay
or
actually
try
to
break
it
up
to
be
less
than
the
amount
of
money
that
can
be
approved
so
yeah.
I
think
I
think
the
way
that
we're
doing
it
now
is
proper.
A
Is
aware
of
it
and
they
are,
they
are
working
on
it
from
what
they've
found
so
far,
they're
finding
it
it's
more
of
a
zoom
issue
and
so
much
an
internet
issue.
But
that's
that's
not
my
field
of
expertise.
That's
what
they're
looking
into
okay
anything
else
from
any
council
members.
Thank
you.
Vince.
Thank.
N
D
F
N
D
K
I
just
have
one
last
thing:
I'm
sorry
and
I'll
be
brief.
I
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
say
things
like
you
know
and
I'm
I'm
definitely
a
part
of
this
and
I
need
to
catch
myself.
I'll
say
you
know
hey
you
know.
Can
director
deeb
give
us
a
quick
three
minutes
on
this
and
it
goes
on
to
like
ken
yeah.
We
do
that
a
lot
you
know
or
I'll
say
hey.
You
know
you
know.
K
Can
chief
brogan
explain
to
me
why
it
is
or
what
this
is
for
I
know
this
is
good
for
the
residents,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
here
to
conduct
business,
and
so
I'm
I've
been
catching
myself
actually
believe
it
or
not
a
resident
actually
emailed
me.
I
think,
like
six
months
ago,
and
I
told
myself,
you
know
what
maybe
I'm
not
noticing
it,
and
so
I
no
longer
did
that
because
they
said
hey,
listen,
you
know
it's
great.
K
I
A
K
I
Of
productive
meeting
can
I
summarize
real,
quick,
absolutely
okay.
The
only
thing
that
I
took
out
of
changing
right
now,
currently
on
the
on
the
policies
that
you
have
in
place
are
that
each
member
should
not
speak
more
than
twice
for
four
minutes:
total
change
that
to
10
I
mean
it
was
10
we're
going
to
change
it
to
four
correct.
I
So
really
the
only
thing,
and
then
I
believe
mariana
was
going
to
check
on
the
use
of
signs
or
her
concern
was
the
signs,
the
different
backgrounds
that
are
being
used
on
zoom,
correct,
okay
or
here
or
wherever.
Okay,
the
you
were
going
to
the
police
chief
or
we
were
going
to
meet
about
the
sergeant.
L
I
The
policy
we'll
get
with
mariana
and
stuff.
Yes,
I
did
notice
about
when
I
dropped
my
whole
policy
manual
and
that
they're
not
numbered
this
is,
I
don't
know
the
last
time
this
policy
book
has
been
looked
at,
though
it's
very
outdated.
I
know
that
and
yeah
so
and
then-
and
I
think
council
pro
tem
said
to
make
a
motion
and
then
talk
negatively
about
that.
We
don't
want
to
do
that.
I
I
A
Primarily,
what
we're
doing
through
this
thing
is
we're
just
implementing
a
lot
of
the
stuff
in
the
procedures.
They've
already
been
in
place,
because
if
you
keep
in
mind
not
you
I'm
talking
about
generally,
you
know
a
lot
of
these
policies
were
put
together
and
tweaked
and
adjusted
and
tweaked
and
adjusted
since
1963..