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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session : 6/25/19
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The open study session regarding proposed ordinance for smoking lounges taking place Tuesday, June 25th 2019.
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Not
really
first
is
we
need
to
put
the
our
ordinance
and
we
see
what
we're
at.
If
we
need
to
add
more
I
mean
you
know,
if
anybody
else,
you
can
always
come
back
and
change,
it
add
or
delete
right
now
with
currently
what
we
have.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
it's
it's
acceptable
by
the
ordinance.
If
we
need
to
add
more,
we
can
add
more
later.
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So
the
first
thing
is:
is
it
the
kind
of
statement
that
I
want
to
make
is
the
whole
column,
just
because
in
general
are
used
by
people
a
lot
of
people
in
the
Arab
American
community
and
they're
used
instead
of
a
lot
of
times
instead
of
bars,
because
that's
what
they
so
choose
and
that's
fine,
you
know
I
mean
to
each
is
on
whatever
really
enjoyed
that
fine
work,
no
problem
there,
but
that's
the
primary
reason.
A
lot
of
people
go.
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D
F
The
second
thing
is
on
the
cap:
I
just
want
to
get
it
clarified,
because
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
vague
language.
That's
why
make
sure
to
clarify
resale
stores?
Is
there
included
in
in
the
cap
the
number
they
can
be
around
I'm
talking
my
retail
stores,
where
they
you're
not
allowed
to
come
in
and
smoke,
but
you
come
in
and
purchase
a
product
and
walk
away
and
smoke
at
you
own
house
or
wherever
you
choose
those
limited.
F
Because
we're
currently
in
our
city
there's,
obviously
you
know
a
lot
of
people
choose
to
open
up
today.
It's
those
types
of
businesses
and
that's
you
know,
that's
their
prerogative
and
if
they
don't
survive-
and
you
know
that
I
have
a
good
product,
obviously,
but
if
they
survive
good
for
them,
when
obviously
I
was
encouraging
businesses
as
possible
in
cities.
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G
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D
Need
to
see
that
because
we
haven't,
you
know,
I've
called
many
times
talked
to
the
city,
and
there
was
no
mention
of
it.
When
I
put
the
moratorium
in
place
a
few
months
ago,
well,
I
talked
to
a
few
people.
I
want
to
get
into
who
I
talk
to,
but
I
talked
to
the
somebody
in
the
building
department
and
I've
talked
to
somebody.
I've
talked
to
the
city
clerk.
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Which
one
is
the
cigar
and
which
one's
a
lounge
I
don't
know
they
say
they
have
a
license.
They
were
they
sort
of
somebody
with
somebody
can
smoke
one
I'm
not
aware
of
it.
So
I,
let
you
know
where
it's
a
I'm,
not
aware
of
it
personally
there's
a
place
I
think
they
sell
cigars
and
hookahs
process
on
Cherry
Hill.
F
You
know
to
Inkster
in
John,
Daly,
John,
Daly
or
am
I
am
directed
right
by
the
bank,
but
yeah
by
the
seventy
levin
there,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
they
don't
serve
where
you
sit
down
so
Tabitha
my
life,
this
excites
my
they're,
nice,
ok,
I,
don't
know,
I
bought
a
cigar
there
at
one
time
that
I
don't
know
much,
but
the
other
other
comment
I
want
to
make
my
personal
preference.
If
we're
gonna
put
any
type
of
limit.
F
Zip
code
should
be
considered
because
in
the
forty
one
to
seven
areas
where
we
have
currently
again
based
on
my
personal
account,
there's
six
of
them
and
others
approach
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
You
know
it's
somebody
from
the
administration
to
tell
me
otherwise,
there's
none
open.
So
to
me,
if
somebody
wants
to
open
one
hypothetically
I'm
born
on
Telegraph
and
Van
born
on
Carlisle.
Well,
you
know
if
you.
F
You
both
to
a
particular
area,
I,
don't
think
that's
something
that
would
have
an
issue
with
dysentery
affords
into
seven.
So
that's
something
I
wanted
to
address
next
issue
that
I
want
to
address
for
a
lot
of
Muslim
Americans
during
Ramadan
and
a
lot
of
hookah
lounges
during
Ramadan.
This
is
specifically
during
Ramadan
and
I
know
they
had
that
particular
issue
in
Dearborn.
A
lot
of
them
are
allowed
in
which
is
very
common
for
people
to
go
break
their
fast
and
stay
up
until
they
can
pick
it
all
up
to
4
a.m.
or
4:30
a.m.
F
so.
A
lot
of
them
do
open
it.
Late
I
personally,
have
would
like
a
to
see
that
in
there,
as
an
exception
on
the
time
and
B
I
personally
have
no
problem
when
there's
an
establishment
like
lava
or
blue
or
whatever
there
at
3:30,
4:00
a.m.
you
know
inside
the
place
or
just
flower
he's
just
not
causing
any
type
of
commotion.
I
personally
would
not
want
their
excluded
I.
Think
people
should
have
a
right
to
be
able
to
use
that
they
so
choose
during
Ramadan
nights,
and
that's
what
dear
one
did
I
know.
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Also
so
that's
all
I'd
like
to
address
next
issue.
I
wrote
down
a
mine
outside
in
this
ordinance.
It
says
they
at
midnight.
It's
gotta,
shut
down,
I
told
you
respect
residents.
Obviously
you
don't
want
to
have
any
type
of
impact
on.
You
know
a
house
that's
near
there,
but
from
the
six
that
I
counted,
there's
no
place
where
any
residents
are
affected.
If
somebody
sitting
outside
at
1:00
in
the
morning
2:00
in
the
morning,
a
lot
of
them
do
close
to
some
do
open
up
past
2:00
a.m.
maybe
3:00
a.m.
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I,
don't
know
exact
hours,
but
to
me
I,
don't
believe
government
as
a
government.
We
have
a
right
to
say
to
them.
You
know
what
if
somebody
sent
outside,
they
cannot
be
outside
after
midnight,
because
if
you
look
at,
for
example,
some
of
the
bars
where
people
are
now
laughs
smoke
inside
and
one
comes
to
mind,
you
know
I,
don't
want
a
in
a
specific
place
to
be
fair,
but
people
can
go
outside
and
have
a
drink
and
smoke
cigarettes,
which
is
fine
by
me.
I,
have
no
problem.
You.
F
F
1:00
in
the
morning
and
two
in
the
morning
correct
while
the
virus
co-opted
to
let
be
in
the
case,
then
you
should
not
exclude
Luca
lounges
from
being
able,
like
one
that
comes,
that
comes
to
mind.
For
example,
lava
or
blue
moon
have
outside
patio
beautiful
outside
patios,
very
professionally
run
and
people
do
sit
outside
at
1:00
in
the
morning
2:00
in
the
morning,
I'm,
usually
not
out
at
that
time.
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Well,
everyone's
while
I've
been
there
a
little
bit
later,
you
know
when
I'm
always
French,
there's
no
trouble
people
saying
outside
1:00
in
the
morning
2:00
in
the
morning.
If
there's
problems,
I'm
going
to
police
department,
jail,
I'm,
sure
they'd
be
the
first.
The
chief
will
be
first
tell
us.
If
there
had
been
problems,
I
can
has
to
do
it.
So
to
me
the
12
a.m.
rule
should
definitely
be
struck
in
my
opinion,
and
then
I've
got
two
more
concerns.
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Why
shall
kind
of
trust?
This
is
on
item
number
on
page
nine,
eight
76
again
back
to
y2
am
the
2:00
a.m.
rule
applies
to
liquor.
That's
a
state
law.
I
I
don't
dictate
that,
but
if
somebody's
sitting
around
smoking
a
cigarette
hypothetically
at
a
bar
or
wherever
there's
no
liquor
would
presume
and
no
liquor
here
is
somebody
sitting
smoking
a
cigarette
at
any
establishment?
Hypothetically,
a
restaurant-
let's
say
a
restaurant
watts
would
stay
open
till
3:00
in
the
morning
they
could
open
24
hours
so
same
thing
for
colleges.
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They
want
to
open
till
2:00
in
the
morning
3:00
in
the
morning
chances
are,
there
may
be
no
business
then,
but
I
feel
it's
their
choice.
We
as
a
government
should
not
dictate
to
them
that
they
should
close
by
2:00
a.m.
if
they
have
patrons
there
and
they're
doing
business
and
I've
spoken
to
a
couple
different
groups
or
lounges,
and
they
have
business
that
makes
sometimes
especially
on
the
weekends
which
is
very
common
for
people
to
stay
out
that
late.
F
We
shouldn't
shut
them
down
at
12
o'clock
because
we
want
to
encourage
business
here,
not
discourage
business.
So
to
me
that
also
should
be
I'm
in
favor
personally
of
striking
it
down
and
I
mean.
Lastly,
an
item
8
7
8
on
page
9
under
there's
a
condition
which
says
a
smoking
lounge
now
I
want
to
preface
that
with
I'm,
ok
with
smoking,
lounges
anything,
that's
good
for
kids
to
turn.
I
have
anything.
That's
not
good
for
kids
near
a
school
I
get
that
when
it's
very
close.
But
in
this
case
it
says
a
smoking.
F
Lounge
may
not
be
located
within
1,000
feet,
which
is
point
1,
8
miles
from
any
school
Church
or
Park.
In
this
particular
case
and
I,
just
wanna
make
sure
I
clarify
for
one
open
establishment
that
we
currently
have
open,
which
is
a
very
professional
place.
Blue
moon,
Luca,
I,
don't
know,
I
didn't
measure
it.
You
know
with
measuring
tape,
but
I
believe
Star
Academy's
within
or
that
two
half
blocks
from
there,
maybe
100
yards
or
maybe
200
yards
yeah.
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D
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B
B
And
I
agree
with
some
of
the
things
that
councilman
Abdullah
said
about
the
time
limits
as
far
as
you
know,
especially
during
ramadan
ramadan,
I
guess
because
that's
who
usually
basically
is
using
these
these
hookah
bar
I
don't
smoke
but
I
visited
them.
You
know
me,
people
talk,
I,
have
a
soft
drink
or
a
good
cup
of
Arabic
coffee,
which
is
fabulous
or
tea,
but
yeah
and
and
I,
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
them.
F
Are
some
tiny
residential
areas,
but
everything
I
know
I've
never
heard
of
any
trouble?
Look
let
it
make
some
clear
the
current
ones
we
have
in
our
city
and
that
point
have
to
be
made
clear.
The
current
ones
we
have
in
our
city,
I
personally,
have
never
heard
of
any
type
of
troublemaking
I.
There
may
be
an
occasional
one
incident
every
year
or
two
who
knows,
but
there's
definitely
been
and
I
think
chief
about
to
Tony.
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D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
issues
to
the
residents
by
adding
any
more
right
now,
so
we
assess
see
what
we're
at
and,
if
there's,
if
there's
any
addition
that
needs
to
be
added,
then
he
has
to
go
in
front
of
the
council
at
a
later
date,
and-
and
you
know
like
I
said
earlier-
I
have
researched
in
many
cities
and
even
out
of
state
lounges,
we
do
it
with.
We
do
need
an
ordinance
like
I
said
for
the
residents.
You
know
I'm
in
favor
of
businesses,
but
I'm
also.
D
We
need
to
look
out
for
our
residents
and
we
we
do
have
to
have
an
ordinance,
because
the
last
thing
we
need
is
somebody
coming
in
and
there's
issues
and
we've
heard
that
from
the
administration
hey.
This
was
grandfather,
then
we
need
that
ordinance.
You
know
for
this
well,
otherwise
we're
going
to
follow
the
same
suits
as
other
cities
that
we
have
to
instead
of
being
proactive.
Now
we
have
to
go
back
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
fix.
The
issue
chair.
I
B
F
F
I
A
E
This
whole
area
is
governed
by
state
law
and
the
smoking
ban,
and
if
we
give
a
monopoly
to
certain
existing
hookah
lounges
that
can
be
struck
down
and
can
be
spot
zoning
and
showing
favoritism
the
for
them
to
come
before
the
council,
the
council's
taken
out
of
most
laying
use
decisions
and
that's
granted
to
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
CBA
by
law.
The
council
doesn't
make
okay.
This
business
can
be
here.
This
business
can
I
just
I,
don't
see
a
need
for
it
at
all.
B
E
B
H
H
As
far
as
specific
incidents
at
each
place,
whether
it's
hookah,
lounge
or
a
bar
I
would
have
to
do
it
in
research.
Each
call
for
service
to
those
locations
I'm,
not
anticipating
any
huge
problems
from
the
hookah
lounges
or
the
bars
that
we
have
currently
so
I'm,
not
sure
what
kind
of
did
I
answer.
Your
question
well.
F
The
statement
I
was
making.
Is
it
current
who
colognes
that
we
have
in
our
city
in
general?
Not
your
look,
you
know
I
work
in
a
real
estate
office.
You
can
cocktails
fit
office,
everyone
for
a
while.
Well,
there
have
any
closing
they'll
have
a
fight,
so
I
mean
avens
in
any
business.
You've
probably
been
called
to
churches
to
mosques.
F
To
you
know,
synagogues
I
mean
it
could
happen
anywhere,
but
in
general,
over
all
the
current
businesses
we
have
in
our
city
have
been
law-abiding
citizens
have
done
well,
haven't
caused
any
problems
for
everybody
and
they're,
just
wanting
a
business
and
we're
earning
a
tax
based
on
that
and
I'm.
All
for
that,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
penalize
in
any
way
shape
or
form
in
this
ordinance
and
that's
why
me.
F
A
F
Reason
I'm
making
this
point,
because
when
we
sometimes
say
we
want
to
protect
the
residents
and
the
cities
that
have
had
problems,
that
implies
that
for
once,
they
in
pies,
because
I'll
declare
that
could
be
construed.
That
there's
current
problems
in
the
ones
that
we
have
here
and
I'm.
Just
making
a
statement
that
once
we.
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A
C
F
Some
some
other
cities
were
in
America,
familiar
with
the
situation,
because
I've
read
up
a
lot
on
this
in
over
the
years,
just
out
of
just
personal
interest,
not
that
I'm
opening
the
a
type
of
business
enough
evidence.
But
but
you
know
the
problem
started
in
certain
cities
when
those
types
of
businesses
were
unfortunately
not
as
successful
and
they
took
the
route.
You
know
what,
let's
start:
leasing
it
out
to
private
parties
and
that's
where
the
problem
start
coming
in
with
liquor
started
coming
in
and
and
look
if
there's
a
bar
that
serves
liquor.
F
B
Osmond
that
does
this
ordinance
and
I
didn't
see
it
in
there
stop
that
type
of
business
going
on
as
far
as
renting
them
out
and
doing
stuff.
Of
that
nature,
I
mean
it
should
have
some
sort
of
ordinance.
What
kind
of
ordinance
I'm
not
well
I'm,
not
arguing
I
do
know
that
there
was
some
heavy-duty
problems
at
the
hookah
lounge
at
Dearborn.
They
used
to
have
curtains
at
one
time.
They
had.
H
B
D
Again,
if
we
need
to
change
it
later,
I
mean
ordinance
has
always
been.
We
always
change
them
as
there
needs
to
be
an
amendment
we
can
amend
it,
but
for
the
time
being,
we
need
to
put
something
in
place
council
chair,
because
there's
nothing
in
place
as
of
right
now
and
a
lot
of
cities
are
actually
going.
So
we
have
to
be
proactive
and
put
an
ordinance
in
place,
as
most
cities
in
Michigan
are
doing
right
now,
Council.
G
Chair
there,
thank
you.
There
are
various
problems
with
this
ordinance
at
this
point.
What
I
would
recommend
and
I
will
point
out.
Some
of
the
issues
is
that
this
should
end
up
pursuant
to
state
law,
namely
the
zoning
enabling
act
being
referred
over
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
review,
which
is
required,
because
essentially,
this
is
an
ordinance
that
has
zoning
implications
as
a
matter
of
fact,
if
you
look
at
it,
there's
reference
at
page
7
of
10
under
Section
8,
7
1
to
special
land
use
for
this
type
of
application,
which
doesn't
exist.
G
Currently
there
is
a
density
requirement.
You
end
up
finding
at
suction
state64,
which
basically
is
have
3,500
foot
radius.
So
these
are
the
types
of
regulations
that
regulate
location
they
regulate,
land
use
before
they
can
end
up
basically
being
adapted.
They
have
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission.
The
Planning
Commission
ends
up
having
to
give
a
recommendation,
and
then
this
body
has
the
opportunity
to
do
this,
and
I
I
felt
that
there
might
be
this
issue
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
felt
so
comfortable
with
my
general
sense
of
things.
G
Specifically,
he
said
only
after
receiving
the
proposed
amendment
from
the
Planning
Commission,
with
its
recommendation
made
the
City
Council
consider
the
proposal.
A
land
use
ordinance
is
also
subject
to
a
petition.
The
challenge
under
the
procedures
contained
in
the
zoning
enabling
act.
So
essentially,
this
ordinance
should
not
be
adopted.
It
needs
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission,
first
and
foremost
to
start.
Otherwise
that
was
going
to
be
invalid.
I.
A
G
Here's
the
thing
I
usually
only
deal
with
things
that
are
directed
towards
my
attention,
council,
chair
and
as
a
matter
of
fact,
in
this
situation.
If
I
looked
at
the
moratorium
but
asked
to
review
the
moratorium,
I
would
have
told
you
that
the
moratorium
doesn't
contain
any
sort
of
resolution
language.
It
contains
four
wherefore,
whereas
paragraphs
that
really
don't
tell
anyone
that
there
is
a
moratorium.
So
when
I
am
asked
to
look
at
something
or
directed
to
do
so,
I
am
more
than
happy
to
look
at
it.
This
did
not
happen
in
this
situation.
G
G
The
issue
of
whether
or
not
these
should
be
handled
as
criminal
violations
as
opposed
municipal
civil
infractions,
which
we
have
moved
to
municipal
civil
infractions,
because
we
can
actually
it
in
order
to
stop
something.
The
35-foot
location
requirement
is
problematic
and
might
be
considered
to
be
arbitrary
and
is
not
likely
to
end
up
being
upheld.
Given
current
law,
the
cap
at
7
raises
antitrust
issues,
particularly
where
we
only
have
7
right
now.
G
G
Moreover,
there
are
questions
about
even
how
this
is
supposed
to
end
up
applying.
For
example,
I
know
that
we
ended
up
hearing
that
you
know
we're
not
gonna
have
a
problem
with
the
existing
businesses.
But
if
you
look
at
page
5
of
10,
a
section
8
668,
pre-existing
businesses,
all
smoking,
lounge
is
operating
pursuant
to
a
valid
certificate
of
occupancy
for
smoking.
G
Lounge
on
the
effective
date
of
this
article
are
hereby
granted
a
de
facto
temporary
license
to
continue
operating
for
a
period
of
180
days
following
the
effective
date
during
this
period,
all
smoking
lounge
businesses
shall
apply
for
a
license
pursuant
to
this
article
and
by
the
expiration
date
of
180
days
shall
conform
to
all
requirements
for
issuance
of
a
license.
So
there's
a
difficulty
because
really
doesn't
say
what
has
been
said.
G
It
essentially
makes
it
sound
like
anyone
who's
in
there
right
now
could
potentially
end
up
losing
their
license
and
I'd
also
note
in
talking
to
mr.
Roberts,
namely
Mark
Roberts,
as
opposed
to
Greg
Roberts
Mark,
said.
Look.
This
ordinance
looks
remarkably
similar
to
something
that
we
had
done
for
a
Township
line.
G
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
know
this
particular
ordinance
has
been
kind
of
plagiarized
by
any
number
of
different
communities,
and
he
said
the
problem
is
that
it
was
done
as
a
zoning
ordinance
when
it
was
originally
done
in
order
to
make
sure
that
there
wasn't
a
problem
and
that's
why
he
said.
Look,
you
got
a
you
got
to
follow
the
requirements
of
the
zoning
and
abling
Act.
This
needs
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
before
with
recommendation
from
them
and
then
at
that
point
the
the
City
Council
to
take
a
look
at
it.
F
A
F
E
G
It
raises
issues
under
the
zoning
enabling
Act
as
well
all
depending
on
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
density
requirements.
That's
why
I
think
it
should
end
up
going
over
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Those
issues
could
end
up
being
worked
out
and
hopefully
the
appropriate
decision
would
be
made.
For
example,
there
could
be
a
special
land
use
that
ultimately
ends
up
having
to
be
decided
on
by
the
council
as
a
body.