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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission on Thursday, August 15, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
Good
evening
welcome
to
the
City
of
Des
Moines
planning,
Zoning
Commission
meeting
tonight's
August
15th,
and
these
are
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
planet
Zoning
Commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats
and
less
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
Community
Development
Department
staff
for
details
for
council
hearings
and
applicant
will
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request.
A
Proponents
and
an
opponents
from
the
public
isn't
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
being
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
Applicants
will
then
be
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
the
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
generally
be
will
not
individually
be
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
requests
of
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation.
City
government,
assisted
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
room
to
better
serve
you
and
possible.
A
Please
notify
the
City
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
shoes
special
accommodations
be
required.
Planet
Zoning,
Commission
meetings
are
back
the
media,
cable,
channel,
7.1
or
7.2
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des.
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
6:20
Terry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
A
Prior
to
the
meeting,
please
be
sure
to
mention
any
requests
that
you
require
transportation,
where
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
the
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans,
with
Disabilities
Act,
so
form
has
been
established
and
at
this
time
is
their
motion
for
the
approval
of
our
minutes
of
our
eigenstates.
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
and
now
on
the
consent
agenda.
Tonight
there
are
two
items.
The
first
item
is
a
request
from
HRC
represent
for
vacation
of
the
following
segments
for
right
away:
joining
property
at
eleven
seventy
and
twelve
ten
title
Street
to
provide
for
encroachments
of
balconies
and
sub
service
footings
for
the
fusion
east
and
fusion
west
multifamily
dwellings.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
is
the
applicant
here
tonight
for
a
concern,
or
can
you
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation?
Thank
you,
and
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
A
A
A
C
B
A
D
They
also
modified
their
application
they're
requesting
a
amendment
of
the
plan
DSM
from
the
low
density
residential
to
medium
density,
residential
and
in
instead
of
the
community
mixed-use,
so
they're
not
proposing
any
commercial
use
or
a
zoning
with
a
commercial
use,
and
then
they
will
modify
what
their
proposal
is
to.
They
still
are
asking
for
an
NPC
zoning
district,
but
they
will
be
requesting
up
to
seven
row
units
as
which
would
bring
it
up
to
the
medium
density
allowance.
D
A
A
So
that
brings
us
to
item
number
four.
This
is
the
request
from
swears
properties
for
review,
an
approval
of
a
site
plan,
luxurious
limousine
and
coach
bus
under
designing
guidelines
for
vehicle
display
lots
for
property
located
at
1601
East
Army
Post
Road,
to
allow
for
development
of
a
twenty
thousand
eight
hundred
square
foot
building
and
a
twenty
seven
thousand
square
foot
building
to
be
used
for
garage.
D
I'm
chair
members
of
the
Commission
subject:
property
is
on
East
Army,
Post
Road,
a
ways
east
of
the
East
14th
intersection
on
the
south
side
of
the
road,
a
large,
fairly
large
property,
there's
a
natural
drainage
way
on
the
eastern
edge.
So
they're.
Looking.
If
you
look
at
the
site
plan
that
was
in
your
packet,
there
DEP
proposing
to
develop
the
Western
two-thirds,
approximately,
not
really
looking
to
disturb
the
eastern
portion
due
to
the
sensitive
slopes
there.
D
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
layout,
there
I
believe
that
the
they're
only
improved,
proposing
100
doings
in
the
immediate
but
are
looking
to
be
able
to
develop
two
buildings
as
they
either
expand
or
consolidate
more
of
their
business
at
this
location,
Astoria,
motor
coaches
and
limousines
on
the
site.
So
these
are
just
generally
storage
buildings
for
the
most
part
I'll.
Let
them
kind
of
speak
to
their
operation
a
little
bit
they're
able
to
bring
to
the
natural
drainage
way,
but
they
will
have
to
provide
the
stormwater
management
requirements.
D
They
do
up
substantial
amount
of
landscaping
already
on
the
site,
but
they're
proposing
to
meet
all
of
the
perimeter
lot
and
interior
lot
landscaping.
Requirements.
I.
Think,
there's
one
comment
that
they
in
their
administrative
review
comments
that
they
would
have
to
do
some
things
to
identify
some
of
the
trees
in
the
existing
proposal.
They
have.
They
have
resubmitted
something
very
recently
we
haven't
reviewed
it
since
this
staff
report
went
out
so
there's
a
good
chance
when
it
comes
to
the
administrative
review
comments.
D
They've
addressed
a
number
of
those
I'm
gonna
just
go
down
the
list
here
in
the
staff
recommendation.
I
should
know
one
of
the
requirements
that
they
haven't
demonstrated.
That
I'm,
aware
of
is
that
we
are
requiring
a
sidewalk
that
comes
from
Complete
Streets
policy.
This
is
a
priority-one
level.
The
wall
street
army,
post,
East,
Army,
Post
Road,
is
considered
priority
one.
So
we
don't
even
consider
waiving
that
at
the
staff
level,
but
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that.
D
D
So
that'll
be
up
up
to
the
Commission
to
kind
of
determine.
If
that's
going
to
be
acceptable
or
not,
they
may
have
other
things
that
come
into
play
if
they
want
to
get
into
tax
abatement
requirements
that
wouldn't
necessarily
fall
into
your
review
so
down
the
road.
Even
if
you
approve
something
tonight
that
you
know
that's
different,
they
still
modify
their
proposal
to
meet
tax
abatement.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
there's
a
note
on
here
that
there's
no
elevated
display
I,
don't
think
they're
proposing,
but
we
want
that
note
there
for
enforcement
in
the
future,
because
technically
they
could
leave
to
you
know
in
two
years
a
vehicle
display
lock
could
come
in
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
those
things
in
place
to
prevent
the
some
of
the
other
things
under
the
design
guidelines.
Provision
of
a
note
that
states
employee
in
customer
parking
areas
shall
be
clearly
delineated.
D
A
note
that
states
all
portions
of
the
property
used
for
outside
parking
display
and
and/or
storage
of
motor
vehicles
for
sale,
rental
or
higher
she'll
be
identified
and
that
the
perimeter
shall
be
striped
or
otherwise
conspicuously
marked
on
the
paving
that
way.
When
our
enforcement
people
are
out
there,
they
know
the
areas
that
have
to
be
kept
unimpaired
and
the.
D
Is
that
display
occurs
outside
of
those
compliance
with
our
city,
landscape
standards,
open
space,
plantings
provided
throughout
the
site?
So
we
want
some
distribution
of
the
plant
material
as
well.
Even
if
they're
meeting
the
accounts
there's
some
desire
to
have
that
distributed
throughout
the
Satan
provision
of
a
minimum
fight,
foot
sidewalk
on
East,
Army,
Post
Road
and
a
pedestrian
connection
from
the
building
entrance
to
get
to
the
public
sidewalk.
F
D
D
A
D
G
Good
afternoon,
commission
members,
my
name,
is
Scott
Spears
I'll
be
representing
1601
East
Army,
Post,
Road
I
started
this
transportation
company
about
ten
years
ago,
and
we've
slowly
grown
and
rented
a
number
of
facilities.
Well,
we're
currently
just
shy
of
30
vehicles
and
want
to
continue
to
grow
and
to
grow.
We
have
to
have
a
facility
that
works
and
works
into
our
future
growth
and
the
amount
of
storage
space
that
we
currently
are.
You
are
utilizing
or
needing
into
the
future,
is
just
getting
too
costly
from
a
rental
perspective.
G
H
Well,
madam
chair
members,
the
board,
my
name
is
Alan
May
I
used
to
do
this
20
years
ago.
I
was
the
plan
administrator
back
when
we
did
like
801
grand
and
principal
Park
and
the
sculpture
park
and
all
those
fun
things
so
Scott
asked
me
about
trying
to
help
him
go
through
the
site
plan
process
and
I
think
there's
actually
some
technical
definition,
issues
that
are
more
confusing
than
what
it
is
because
he
doesn't
have
a
vehicle
displaying
storage
lot.
H
I
know
in
working
with
Erik
the
ideas
to
concern
the
stop
of
the
local
storage
lot
that
could
occur.
Who
knows
20
years
around
things,
change
things
family,
but
I?
Think
just
in
first
taking
a
look
at
the
staff
report
and
the
recommendation
and
everything
that
are
there,
we
can
comply
with
items
1
through
6,
no
problems,
a
question
we
have
on
item
7
question
on
item
8
item
9
doesn't
see
prepared
to
be
a
problem
nor
10,
specifically
taking
a
look
at
the
five-foot
sidewalk.
H
If
any
of
you
have
bent
down
Army
Post,
there's
no
sidewalks
down
there
I
understand
a
class,
a
designation
for
that
purpose.
But
that's
a
future
planning
and
sometimes
those
are
decades
out.
So
we
don't
see
first
of
all
that
this
operation
would
have
any
walk-in
customers
that
usually
doesn't
occur.
H
You've
got
other
structures
here
that
have
other
designs
other
than
that
use,
and
we
think
we
have
the
architect
who's
going
to
explain
some
of
those
things
that
we
think
will
be
beneficial.
I
just
take
a
look
at
it
from
a
design
standpoint:
I
guess
we
have
a
couple
metal
buildings
downtown
like
the
two
round
buildings.
We've
got
the
one
designed
with
the
Catholic
Charities
that
I
am
paid
designed,
that's
a
actually
when
I
was
on
the
group.
H
We
designed
that
or
designated
that,
as
a
landmark,
so
I
think
there's,
there's
reason
for
the
architecture
identify
the
considerations
for
that
as
well,
so
other
than
that
I
think
the
real
aspect
is
clearly
from
a
definitional
standpoint.
His
use
as
a
limo
operation
is
not
a
vehicle,
storage
thing
and
I
know.
The
ordinance
is
kind
of
odd
in
the
wording
of
that,
but
we
think
we
can
comply
with
everything
except
the
sidewalk
provision
and
the
design
I
have
Dave
the
Arctic
come
forward
to
explain
about
the
design.
Thank
you
very.
H
I
E
I
E
E
Color
and
then
there's
a
lighter
aluminum
color
around
the
bottom
to
run
a
masonry.
Four-Foot
wainscot
following
around
the
building
I
think,
is
an
interesting
concept
in
this
particular
area.
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
waste
of
money
economics
don't
play
into
it.
I
understand.
We
can
certainly
provide
a
panelized
system
that
gives
you
the
impression
that
it's
a
different
material.
Then
your
typical
pull
barn
metal
building
panel,
which
is
not
what
I'm
proposing
so.
J
B
E
E
Finish
but
I
can
propose
a
textured
finish
for
the
wainscot,
because
it
does
it
won't.
It
looks
better
than
just
a
flat
finish.
It's
a
insulated
panel
makes
the
building
more
efficient,
low
maintenance.
The
masonry
next
to
the
doors
can
be
the
doorways
and
structure
could
be
protected
with
bollards
rather
than
masonry.
We
could
certainly
take
a
look
at
that.
I
know
it's
not
on
the
plan.
E
We
can
amend
that
because
it's
a
light,
color
a
dark,
color
and
a
medium
color
to
give
it
some
texture,
there's
a
number
of
different
buildings
around
town
that
are
using
this
kind
of
a
system
there
used
to
be
a
older
system
called
Luca
bond.
Cordy
has
a
space
in
between
the
panels
to
give
it
a
little
more
texture
and
that's
what
we're
proposing
helpful
anymore.
A
E
C
G
I
guess
I,
don't
know
how
familiar
you
guys
all
are
with
this
panel
system,
but
there's
down
on
Hull
and
Guthrie,
there
was
a
large
building
built
where
Bower
built
used
to
be
across
the
street.
So
that's
the
very
similar
paneling
system.
So,
in
my
opinion,
masonry
is
fantastic.
Cement
is
fantastic,
designing
and
cement
is
fantastic,
but
it's
old.
This
is
modern.
This
is
a
modern
design.
This
is
a
sexy
design
and
that's
what
we
want
to
go
for.
I
have
no
problem
with
masonry.
I
just
think
this
is
a
better
option
for
the
future.
A
L
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission
Jim
bollard
4007
southeast
26th
Street,
with
Easter
Lake
Neighborhood
Association
first
concern
was
the
the
developer,
did
not
have
any
meeting
with
the
neighbors
that
also
and
I
I
called
and
talked
with
I
remember,
which
Erica
bird
before
this
was
to
be
on
the
last
one,
and
at
that
time
a
lot
of
information
was
not
knowing
yet
and
I
did
not
get
a
chance
to
talk
to
any
of
them
before
tonight's
meeting,
but
it
looks
like
still.
A
fair
amount
is
still
unknown.
L
G
L
It
would
be
on
all
three
sides
of
the
building,
then
okay,
so
so
I
don't
know
much
about
this
and
I'm
hearing
it
for
the
first
time
so
I
don't
know
whether
to
think
it's
a
good
idea
or
a
bad
idea
didn't
have
a
chance
to
go.
Look
at
one
of
the
other
buildings
that
they're
describing
that
it
currently
is
on
in
terms
of
the
sidewalk
I
understand.
This
is
the
issue
that
comes
up
every
time.
L
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
had
this
vehicle
display
a
lot
thing
and
understand
they
don't
want
it
to
be
a
vehicle
display,
a
lot
and
having
a
chance
to
review
everything,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
definitely
not
a
vehicle.
This
a
lot,
and
it
sounds
like
all
those
things
are
covered
in
this
particular
one.
So
thank
you.
You
say.
D
Close
to
East
14th
I,
don't
have
a
aerial
to
zoom
out,
but
we're
getting
pieces
on
site
plans
and
yeah.
It's
like
around
the
mall.
Okay.
So,
but
we're
in
an
I'll.
Give
you
an
example
like
Casey's
to
the
east,
they're
kind
of
floating
out
there
at
Indianola
and
East
Army
Post.
They
have
sidewalk
on
their
front
inches
video.
D
B
M
A
G
G
K
G
G
G
D
K
Well,
I
think
we
should
have
a
discussion
about
the
sidewalk
rule.
What
we
think
about
the
sidewalk.
You
know
we've
been
doing
this
long
enough.
That
I
do
think
it's
true
what
mr.
Ballard
said
that
you
know
at
times
it
seems
like
it's
the
sidewalk
to
nowhere,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
connect,
and
so,
while
it
may
not
be
walkable
now
it
would
be
in
the
future.
I
think
so
and
I'm
just
throwing
that
out.
What
are
the
rest
of
you
think
about
the
sidewalk.
F
K
C
I
think
I
think
I,
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
put
masonry
around
the
building
I'm
most
interested
in
the
base
detail
to
start
the
durability
of
how
the
metal
holds
up
in
the
salt
and
the
snow
and
stuff
and
all
that
stuff.
So
if,
if
and
when
people
are
interested,
I
got
a
motion,
I
can
float
out
there
but
go.
A
C
I
think
the
motion
I'd
put
out
is
I
recommend
approval
items,
one
through
seven
Apollo
staff
recommendation,
the
SiteLock
stays
in
item.
Eight
I
would
propose
to
change
item
eight,
to
read
as
follows:
the
front
and
side
facade
shall
have
a
durable
base.
Detail,
as
approved
by
the
planning
director
I.
Think
it's
possible.
The
photo
that
that
you
showed
I
think
could
be
a
good
base
detail.
There
needs
to
be
some
I'm
out
of
concrete
or
something
at
the
bottom.
I
think
the
system
has
something
whether
it's
eight
inches
I.
C
Do
not
think
it
needs
to
be
four
feet,
whether
it's
eight
inches
or
two
feet
or
one
feet.
I
think
they
can
work
through
that
detail
and
I.
Think
you
need
to
show
that
and
draw
that
and
get
to
that
level.
So
I
think
there
is
a
solution
there
I
think
the
metal
is
fine.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
and
that
I
would
also
keep
items
9
and
10.
A
C
A
D
So
it
give
you
a
little
bit
of
orientation
here.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission.
This
is
the
the
gold
outline.
The
area
is
the
second
phase
or
phase
two
PUD.
It's
actually
a
separate
PUD
from
the
original
three
legs
of
State's
beauty,
which
originally
was
kind
of
a
Street,
and
then,
when
this
got
Rees
owned,
it
incorporated
this
edge
here,
which
allowed
it
to
do
a
kind
of
finish
off.
The
development
I
believe
there
was
about
in
the
late
2000s
you
some
of
you
might
have
been
on
this
Commission.
D
When
a
proposal
came
forward
to
make
it
kind
of
a
Tuscan
town
home.
Look
it
never
actually
got
approved.
It
was
called
the
palms,
so
we're
actually
still
on
the
original
2001
conceptual
plan
and
the
preliminary
plat
that
all
of
that.
So
some
construction
is
actually
going
on
out
here
on
townhomes
in
this
large
parcel
down
here
in
this
area
and
there's
some
lots
that
would
feed
off
of
a
public
street
connection
right
through
here.
D
So
that's
actually
going
on
based
on
the
currently
approved
preliminary
plat,
that
got
public
improvement
plans
and
things
that
have
gone
through
council.
So
now
it's
being
proposed
essentially
as
everything
else
built
with
a
slightly
different
configuration.
They
want
to
reroute
the
street
system
a
little
bit,
so
there
wouldn't
be
a
second
connection.
I
think
I'm,
going
to
show
you
the
kind
of
the
proposed
PD
that
CEC
colored
up
to
kind
of
lets.
You
kind
of
understand
kind
of
the
different
sections
of
what
they're
proposing
to
do.
So
it's
easier
to
visualize
that.
D
H
D
The
the
by
attached,
yeah
so
originally
I
think
it
was
a
hundred
twenty
units
of
townhomes
and
they
they
actually
crossed
over
into
this
area
as
well.
So
so
it's
now
60,
okay,
so
this
area
would
be
the
sick
well
in
our
ordinance.
Currently,
it's
called
single-family
semi-detached,
but
their
owner
occupied
with
the
common
wall.
Some
people
come
twin
homes.
Some
people
call
them
by
attached
for
purposes
of
our
zoning
change,
we're
going
to
want
to
make
sure
they're
defined
as
semi
single-family
semi-detached.
D
B
D
Kind
of
and
they're
doing
that
away
with
the
larger
lot
separating
from
the
existing
development
to
provide
that
transition.
The
other
thing
that's
different
from
the
currently
approved
PUD
is
that
this
this
is
a
defined
open
space
area,
whereas
in
the
in
the
current
PUD,
it's
actually
part
of
people's
backyards.
Of
that
Lots
would
lion
go
right
to
the
middle
of
this.
There
was
just
a
preservation,
he's
Minh
and
then.
D
They
still
have
this
on
the
South
right
here
and
they
have
another
Street
connection
to
the
south
and
then
actually
to
going
east,
so
that
when
an
area
to
the
east
opens
up
for
development,
I
think
that
it
may
be
relying
on
some
more
sewer
coming
from
South
East,
rather
than
the
North
West,
which
most
of
this
I
think
it
serviced
off
of
sanitary
sewer
trunks
that
runs
along
the
lake
system.
Where
you
see
the
trail,
that
area.
D
They're
proposing
these
narrow
lights,
but
they've
only
defined
a
bare
minimum
of
1,200,
regardless
of
what
parcel
it's
on
and
when
staff
looked
at
this,
we
thought
that
we
really
need
some
proportionality.
Here
we
actually
kind
of
took
cues
from
a
recently
approved
rezoning
with
the
same
developer
on
the
northeast
side,
by
brook
run
that
you
saw
and
where
you
had
a
North
Area
that
had
the
smaller
Lots
and
then
the
southern
area
that
you
wanted
to
see.
D
The
larger
homes
I
think
we're
trying
to
follow
those
same
cues
and
have
a
mix
of
the
housing
here
with
the
the
by
attached,
your
single-family
semi-detached
homes,
the
larger
single-family
Lots,
with
some
larger
house
size,
minimums
and
then
the
smaller
house
size
the
babies
for
the
narrower
Lots
at
the
southeast,
and
so
you
have
kind
of
a
range
of
affordability.
I
know,
you've
heard
a
lot
about
affordability
of
late.
So
that's
something
that
was
taken
into
consideration,
so
I'm
going
to
go
down
here
through
the
list
of
comments.
D
We
have
five
but
then
there's
a
lot
of
sub
parts
to
the
portion
with
revisions
in
regards
to
the
single
family.
First
of
all,
we
we
want
to
make
sure
we
leave
ourselves
the
ability
to
get
the
compliance
with
the
mylar
submittal
requirements
and
make
sure
everything's
finalized
before
we
actually
sign
up
final
miler.
Second,
we
do
want
an
addition
of
the
note
on
the
plan
that
the
property
comply
with
tree
removal
and
mitigation.
The
last
time
this
was
approved.
D
That
wasn't
a
thing,
so
they
need
to
bring
some
of
these
things
have
to
be
kind
of
rolled
in
that
have
happened
since
the
development
kind
of
went.
It's
stalled
for
a
while
there,
so
three
revision
to
require
all
public
sidewalks
to
be
five
feet
in
width.
That's
just
a
change
in
the
standards
again
since
this
was
originally
approved.
D
Revision
of
the
fence
allowance
note
to
also
allow
solid
wood
fences
in
rear
yards
I.
Think
what
we
found
throughout
all
of
our
single-family
PU
DS
is
that
people
want
fences,
they're,
gonna,
put
up
fences,
even
if
you
don't
get
a
permit,
I
think
it's
better
to
have
a
standard
established
for
a
uniform
type
of
privacy
fence
and
then
we're
still
okay,
with
the
chain-link
being
required
to
be
black-clad.
That
actually
is
consistent
with
developments
in
this
area.
D
To
the
plan
to
include
the
following
requirements
for
single-family
and
single-family,
semi-detached
dwellings,
no
same
single
family
or
single-family
semi-detached
house
for
any
elevations
shall
be
built
on
adjacent
Lots,
and
what
I
should
point
out?
I
believe
that
the
types
they're
looking
at
are
the
same
types
that
were
approved
for
beaver
coat
upon
leave,
lower
beaver,
so
there's
a
they
have
two
different
by
attached
housing
types,
so
they
can
alternate
those
or
change
those
up
a
little
bit
so
that
they're,
not
the
identical
on
adjoining
Lots.
D
We
want
the
front
facade
of
any
single
family
or
single
family.
Semi-Detached
house
constructed
to
contain
either
a
front
porch
of
not
less
than
60
square
feet
or
stone
or
brick
masonry.
That's
an
or
stone
or
brick
masonry
siting
covering
at
least
a
third
of
the
facade,
see
all
windows
and
doors
of
any
single
family
or
single-family
semi-detached
house
you'll
have
trim
that
is
no
less
than
four
nominal
inches
in
width.
D
1E
one
sing
on
single-family
lot:
size
is
less
less
than
sixty
five
feet
in
width.
The
following
minimum
house
sizes
shall
be
constructed.
Basically,
the
one-story
would
have
a
twelve
fifty
minimum,
which
is
only
fifty
square
feet
more
than
they
were
proposing
again.
This
is
right
out
of
what
they
just
had
approved
on
the
north
east
side.
D
One
and
a
half
should
be
1350
and
two-story
shall
be
constructed
with
a
minimum.
1400
square
feet
of
above
grade
finished
floor
area
on
single
family
lots.
Eyes
is
65
feet
in
width
or
greater.
The
following
minimum
house
sizes
shall
be
constructed
on
one-story
1400
one
and
a
half
1600
two-story
1800.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
exterior
materials
are
limited
to
masonry,
either
brick
or
stone
vinyl
of
no
less
than
42
Millis,
cedar,
masonite
or
cement
fiber
board
I
believe
we've
interpreted
that
engineered
wood
product
would
fall
within
those
categories
for
any
single-family,
semi-detached
dwellings
of
brick
or
stone
waves
cut
should
extend
it
along
the
full
side
of
the
facade
on
those
units.
They
have
site
facades
on
a
public
street.
You
know
wait
so
these
units
on
these
street
ends
that
are
on
corner
Lots.
D
D
D
D
D
The
construction
Road
in
you
can
barely
see
it
over
there
over
the
berm
there
along
south
along
Hugh
spine
and
then
as
you're
on
East
Army
Post
again,
the
terrain
rises
up
from
Army
Post
and
then
back
down
into
the
development,
so
that's
actually
showing
where
the
trail
Jim
bollard
mentioned.
Units
last
and
the
last
item
is
now
coming
across
over
here
on
the
Harley
post.
D
C
D
Silent,
but
so
they
have
to
believe
it
says
it's
only
chain-link,
four-foot,
chain-link
fence
and
so
I
just
wanted
them
to
have
another
option
for
a
privacy
fence
because
I
the
tendency
is
they
will
get
built
and
if,
if
they
it's
a
much
better,
if
there's
a
standard
to
provide,
if
they
were
completely
silent,
there's
a
provision
in
the
current
ordinance
for
PUD.
That's
for
single-family
dwellings
would
basically
adhere
to
the
same
fencing
requirements
as
they
would
in
a
standard.
Single-Family
would.
C
You
be
open,
you
know,
there's
many
neighborhoods
when
I
live
in
and
others
where
there's
no
fences
and
kids
roam
between
homes
and
it's
kind
of
cool
and
they're
doing
their
thing
and
then
there's
some
where
there
are
low
fences
and
high
fences
and
it's
in
some
ways
I
almost
like
promoting.
Unless
you
got
a
super
attack,
guard
dog,
less
fencing
or
lower
fencing.
But
it's
designed
nicely,
you
know
it's
not
junk.
Is
there?
B
D
D
N
C
D
I
kind
of
was
I
think
we
were
taking
our
cues
more
actually
from
the
previous
proposal
from
this
developer.
So,
and
this
is
a
PUD
versus
you
know,
some
of
where
we
are
looking
to
have
things
by
right.
So
this
started
out
with
a
standard
for
homes
to
the
West
that
are
already
there.
It's
an
established
neighborhood,
so
I
think
we
have
some
argument
to
be
able
to
have
those
sizes
to
keep
the
compatibility
with
the
existing
neighborhood
to
the
west.
M
Just
to
add
to
that
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
exact
square
footages
that
are
stated
here,
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
work
with
staff
on
that.
But
having
worked
with
you
for
a
number
of
years
and
seeing
your
work
for
many
years
before
that
you
have
approved
square
footages
on
pew
tees,
I
think
for
at
least
a
decade,
if
not
two.
So
it
is
not
out
of
your
practice
to
have
minimum
square
footages
of
some
number
included
for
single-family
residential
pew
tees
and.
A
M
That's
that's
accurate
I
think
there
won't
be
beauties
going
forward,
so
in
the
new
code
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
rezoning,
for
example,
as
a
rezoning
condition.
I
wouldn't
say
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
recommendation
from
the
city
to
have
minimum
square
footages
in
that
event
as
well,
but
we
are
we're
nowhere
near
that
at
this
point,
but
but
you're
right,
the
new
code
isn't
in
place
yet,
and
so
this
is
not
in
our
current
code.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
M
D
Again,
we
we
sort
of
matched
actually
what
they
had
agreed
to
on
the
another
development
that
I
believe
you'll,
hear
theirs
using
the
same
housing,
products
and
things.
So
hopefully
that
won't
be
an
issue
for
them,
and
I
haven't
heard
from
a
little
heard
from
them
that
it
is
but
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
it.
Alright,.
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
a
tarp
I'm
with
civil
engineering
consultants
representing
Jay
Larson
homes
and
John
Larson
is
also
here
tonight.
Eric,
of
course,
has
done
a
very
nice
job
of
presenting
I'll
show
you
what
we
had
shown
at
the
neighborhood
meeting,
which
was
a
very
good
meeting.
I.
Think
Jim
would
concur
with
me
that
we
had
a
lot
of
good
discussion
and
I
came
away
all
happy
and
friends.
So.
J
B
J
J
At
this
look
at
that,
you
can
see
that
density
has
dropped
down.
We
are
now
with
V
attached
up
here
and
then
the
smaller
Lots,
the
45
to
55
foot
wide
Lots
here.
This
was
a
mix
of
single-family
throughout
we've
left
that
in
the
middle
of
the
project,
so
our
actual
unit
count
has
gone
down
about
20
units
over
the
whole
PUD
when
I
showed
this
at
the
public
or
at
the
neighborhood
meeting.
J
I
think
have
brought
a
lot
of
relief
to
the
neighbors
because
they
realized
we
weren't,
adding
more
townhouses
or
trying
to
do
apartments
or
anything
like
that.
It's
really
a
continuation
of
what
they
already
have,
but
it's
also
also
meeting
some
market
demand.
As
we
as
our
it's
just
mentioned,
we
do
have
to
provide
some
more
affordable
housing,
and
that
is
a
way
of
doing
it.
Now
is
happening
in
all
the
cities
in
the
metro
area.
So
John's
very
good
at
this
he's
very
good
with
the
building
types
that
go
on
these.
J
As
mentioned,
we're
already
doing
these
projects
in
other
parts
of
Des
Moines.
So
in
general
that
that
made
the
neighborhood
meeting
a
lot.
A
lot
smoother
with
that
I
don't
have
a
lot
more
to
add.
Eric
did
a
great
job,
I'll
say
on
the
fences
we
kind
of
like
to
just
let
those
be
kind
of
what
this,
what
the
ordinance
allows.
We,
like
flexibility,
I,
had
wiener
dogs
and
we
had
to
have
a
really
good
fences.
B
J
B
J
E
A
L
B
L
Members
of
council
Jim
ball
at
4007,
sought
these
26th
Street.
As
was
mentioned,
we
did
have
a
meeting
last
Wednesday
night.
It
was
well
attended
a
lot
of
good
conversation
but
I.
Think
in
general,
everybody
is
much
happier
with
the
the
changes
from
the
previous
PUD
and
but
I
do
understand
for
each
guy
think
that's
the
one
thing
that
probably
makes
everybody
most
comfortable
because
generally
we
probably
would
not
be
that
comfortable
with
the
size
of
some
of
the
lots
in
the
southeast
portion
of
this
development
without
some
of
those
square
footage
requirements
and.
L
Passed
it
out
of
here,
but
September
night,
that's
gonna,
be
at
the
council
and
I'm
sure
that
don't
have
a
lovely
crowd
that
evening
to
talk
about
the
way
the
ordinance
reads
or
the
way
the
laws
read
at
that
point
in
time.
So
and
we
worked
with
mr.
Larson,
he
did
the
development
at
the
east
end
of
the
lake
and
we're
happy
with
what's
been
done.
There
I
just
want
to
say,
though,
on
the
record
that
this
part
of
the
city
will
support
a
bigger
house.
L
I
know
it
will
I
mean
that
that's
just
the
bottom
line,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
sell
ourselves
short.
That's
why
I'm
glad
we
have
the
minimum
square
footage
in
here.
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sorry
to
say,
I
live
in
a
like
a
24
to
2,500
square
foot
house
in
this
part
of
town,
so
you
can
build
them,
you
can
sell
them,
that's
just
the
way
it
is.
Thank
you
thank.
A
A
A
D
Currently,
the
the
parking
garage
is
being
constructed
on
this
portion
of
the
block
and
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to.
They
are
going
to
do
some
things
to
modify
this
building
for
its
repurposing
in
relation
to
what's
in
front
of
you
tonight.
For
this
piece
of
property,
I
should
also
point
out
that
on
your
next
agenda
there
will
be
an
item
for
vacation
for
balconies
and
subsurface
footings
that
didn't
accompany
this
submittals,
so
your
pot
that'll
probably
be
based
on
whatever
happens
tonight.
D
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
mixed
mixed
use.
Project
I,
should
point
out
I
believe
I
was
told,
as
I
was
walking
out
the
door
that
they
have
resubmitted
again,
we
haven't
had
a
full
review
of
those
things
that
have
been
resubmitted
and
I.
My
understanding
is,
there
is
a
modification
to
their
proposal
that
they
may
want
to
discuss
about
some
interior
block
landscaping.
D
Up
against
the
existing
building
Manor,
they
have
this
service
area
going
back
to
I,
believe
they're
transformers
and
their
enclosures
for
trash.
I
also
think
this
is
where
their
fat,
oil
and
grease
interceptors
are
going
to
be
located
off
away
from
the
street
level.
They
were
showing
planters
along
here
to
sort
of
provide
an
edge
between
that
and
the
existing
building.
My
understanding
is
they
still
plan
to
keep
an
entrance
here,
so
this
will
kind
of
serve
as
a
kind
of
an
entrance
Plaza
to
get
back
here.
D
The
other
thing
is
I
believe
they
not
part
of
this
project,
but
when
they
do
this
building
they're
looking
to
have
an
entrance
to
East
grand
off
of
this
building
as
well.
So
this
won't
be
the
sole
entrance
to
the
building
at
ground
level,
but
it's
still
going
to
be
an
important
one.
So
staff
you
know
was
supportive
of
having
these
planters
here
as
a
part
of
the
walkway
but
I'll.
D
Let
them
speak
to
that
because
then
they
may
have
come
up
with
some
challenges
to
that
they're
not
required
by
our
typical
landscaping
policies
in
the
downtown
area,
but
in
the
overlay
there
is
the
desire
to
have
some
soft
green
spaces
within
the
private
side
of
the
property.
So
from
that
standpoint,
if
we
can
preserve
them,
staff
would
definitely
support
trying
to
preserve
that,
as
it's
been
proposed.
D
Overall
staff
is
in
support.
Some
of
this
will
be
subject
to
final
urban
design
review
on
the
final
design
of
the
building,
but
they've
resubmitted
a
design.
So
in
your
elevations
use
you
can
see
that
the
main
base
floor
is
all
a
masonry
type
product.
Then
they're
moving
up
with
other
materials
as
you
go
up,
the
building.
G
D
D
Actually,
this
will
be
under
you.
Don't
really
see
it
on
this
as
you
look
at
this
elevation,
but
it'll
be
under
that
it
might
easier
to
see
here
this
little.
This
would
be
the
southwest
corner.
Looking
east
lots
of
glass,
a
good
variety
of
materials,
I'm,
not
sure
if
Burt
stacked
it
up
against
any
future
proposed
standards
we
haven't
coming
up,
but
I
I
would
have
imagined
it
would
come
fairly
close.
D
D
I
think
if
you
match
it
up
to
the
landscaping
standards
by
themselves,
it
does
that,
in
addition-
and
this
has
the
downtown
overlay
design
guidelines
which
speak
to
those
soft
green
spaces,
so
so
I
think
we
were
looking
at
that
as
being
met
somewhat
by
the
proposed
landscaping
in
the
in
the
plaza
there,
bike
racks
provided
on
East,
Grand
and
East
4th
Street
and
then
want
to
make
sure
the
rooftop
mechanical
equipment
is
screened.
They're
shown
a
parapet,
design.
D
N
B
H
N
I'm
Alexander
with
Nelson
construction
and
development
as
a
pretext
to
this,
like
our
overall
block
plan,
this
is
really
the
last
step
in
us
completing
this
entire
square
block.
We
are
currently
under
construction
with
a
parking
garage
that
is
on
the
north
side
of
the
site
and
actually
430
East
Grand.
The
building
on
the
south
east
of
the
site
was
one
of
the
first
buildings
that
Mike
Nelson
did
in
downtown
Des,
Moines,
so
kind
of
a
coming
back
home
to
where
it
all
started
and
completing
out
the
block.
N
The
deletion
of
the
landscaping
was
not
done
because
we
don't
like
soft
green.
You
know
landscaping,
that's
not
it
at
all.
I
think.
If
you
look
at
all
of
our
properties
across
downtown
and
the
700
units
we
own
now
and
are
climbing
to
a
thousand
and
all
the
landscaping
we
have
I
think
we
are
known
for
doing
good
urban
design
projects
within
budget
constraints.
What
this
is
really
speaking
to
is
the
four
thirty
east
grand
entrance.
Our
partners
always
have
to
be
amenable
to
our
investment
partners.
N
We
are
very
concerned
that
the
entrance
the
front
entrance-
the
430
east
grant,
is
shielded
and
will
inhibit
the
actual
use
of
that
building.
That
was
one
of
the
first
buildings
in
the
East
Village
to
get
redone
and
get
additions
added
and
at
scale.
So
we're
very
concerned
about
that.
Eric
brought
up
the
shifting
of
an
entrance
to
East
Grand.
That
is
just
something
that
we're
studying.
N
That's,
not
something
that
you
know
we're
likely
to
do
and
until
we
get
full
costing
back,
I
have
no
idea,
and
even
if
we
do
do
that,
based
on
how
the
building
lays
out
we're
gonna
have
to
keep
that
a
very
important
entrance
to
have
flow
of
pedestrian.
So
we
wanted
to
not
have
the
planters
and
the
trees
in
those
locations,
especially
because
city
staff
required
trees.
If
we
were
gonna
put
the
planter
beds
there.
N
So
we
said:
if
that's
not
a
city
requirement
necessarily,
then
let's
take
it
out
of
the
plan
right
now
and
when
we
get
commercial
tenants
on
the
ground
floor,
let's
work
with
them
to
decide
kind
of
landscaping
so
that
it
integrates
with
their
operations
and
integrates
with
their
retail
space,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
mixed-use
spaces
in
a
city
of
Des
Moines,
both
in
the
core,
the
East
Village.
We
only
300
with
zombie
burger
and
there's
been
numerous
times
where
we've
tried
to
guess
the
landscaping.
N
There's
a
beautiful
pocket
park
at
the
des
moines
building,
actually
beautiful,
beautiful
amazing,
but
it's
not
activated
because
there's
no
tenant
and
every
tenant
that
we
talked
to
wants
modifications.
That
would
cost
a
lot
of
money.
And
so
we
thought
this
time.
Let's
do
it
right
and
let's
get
those
tenants
on
board
and
then
integrate
with
the
operations
and
with
what
they're
doing,
because
that's
really
how
you
have
a
live-work-play
environment
where
it
all
flows
together.
So
it's
not
that
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
It's
just.
N
We
want
to
do
it
in
conjunction
with
the
tenants,
as
we
bring
them
on
board
and
not
make
it
so
expensive
later
prohibitively
there's
a
lot
of
empty
shell
retail
in
downtown
Des
Moines,
and
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
encourage
that
and
keep
that
going.
So
that's
why
we
deleted
the
landscaping.
It's
not
that
we
don't
want
to
ever
put
anything
there.
N
N
To
the
north
side,
yeah
this
pedestrian
space
as
well,
there
was
landscaping
we
deleted
that
because
we're
talking
to
a
tenant.
Currently
that
has
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
want
to
say
too
much
but
like
a
speakeasy
type,
backdoor
concept,
and
they
don't
want
it
so
shielded,
though
from
the
landscaping
and
so
again,
we
don't
want
to
prohibit
leasing
activity
that
creates
these
whole
projects.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
as
well
is
that
the
parking
garage
which
the
whole
first
floor
is
public
parking.
N
B
A
N
I
N
B
D
I
N
A
B
O
The
end
of
the
alley
you
can
kind
of
see
towards
the
east
end
of
the
north
side
of
the
building.
There
is
still
some
landscape
provided
there,
and
the
garage
is
also
putting
in
curved
planter
planters
with
trees
and
there's
about
seven
feet
of
great
change
from
the
upper
alley
to
the
lower
alley
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
There's
a
concrete
wall
at
the
back
of
that
space
and
the
planting
plan,
as
shown
on
this,
drawing
currently
provides
space
for
climbing
vines
on
the
bottom
and
top
side
of
that
wall.
O
So,
as
you
look
down
at
the
end
of
this
alley,
you
will
see
a
green
wall
seven-foot
tall,
which
will
also
help
provide
you
know
visual
softening
at
the
end
of
the
alley.
It's
not
just
all
concrete
and
where
possible,
would
you
know
we
are
still
keeping
plantings
in
the
project
to
sort
of
soften
the
back
residential
entry
and
mechanical
spaces
and
providing
bike?
N
And
softening,
where
possible,
meaning
like
things
we
can
control
and
know
without
that
commercial
tenant.
So
that's
why,
on
the
north
side,
we
know
are
the
back
entrance
for
the
building
is
for
tenants,
so
we'll
plan
landscaping
accordingly,
and
we
did.
The
other
thing
is
all
those
trees
you
see
on
the
north
plot
plaza.
If
you
will
are
we're
part
of
we're
part
of
the
parking
ramp
project
they're
going
in
so
it's
like
kind
of
our
overall
plan
is
still
creating
that,
even
if
it's
not
with
the
site
plan.
N
The
only
last
comment
probably
talk
too
much,
but
the
only
last
comment
is
the
pedestrian
alley,
as
well
as
a
curb
cut
there,
because
we
need
trash
trucks
to
be
able
to
get
back
there
in
service
like
pull
out
dumpsters
that
we've
put
in
the
building.
So
that's
the
other
functional
thing:
if
we
start
crowding
it
too
much
becomes
again
a
functional
problem,
so.
N
D
D
Something
that
you
deliberate
on
between
you
and
the
applicant,
because
you,
you
literally
got
a
jump
ball
here
at
the
hearing
tonight,
so
yeah
yeah.
If
you
wanted
us
to
review
it
again,
I've
kind
of
made
some
comments
here.
But
if
you
wanted
a
full
review
and
we
would
have
to
continue
it
probably
to
get
the
full
staff
review
and
staff
recommendation
to
change
that
I.