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From YouTube: 11-7-19 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan and Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Nov. 7, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
Seven
city
planners
on
commission
reading
these
are
rules
and
procedures.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats
and
less
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed.
A
Please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
community
development
staff
for
details
and
council
hearings.
Applicants
will
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
their
requests.
Proponents
and
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
being
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
The
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
in
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
for
the
recommendation
of
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda,
the
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government.
Assistive
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
room
and
to
better
serve
you
when
possible.
A
Please
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
should
special
accommodations
be
required.
Planet
zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
Mediacom,
cable
channel
seven
point
one
or
a
seven
point
two
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
to
City
of
Des
Moines
meeting
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
dark
Central
Station
at
6:20
Terry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
to
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
A
Prior
to
the
meeting.
Please
be
sure
to
mention
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
all
right,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
quorum
and
is
there
any
action
on
the
meeting
minutes
from
October
17th?
A
A
So
at
this
time
we
currently
have
three
items
on
our
consent
agenda.
The
first
is
a
I
think
I'll
read
the
I
didn't
know
yeah
we're
going
to
concentrate.
The
first
item
is
a
city
initiated
public
hearing
requiring
proposed
amendments
to
the
approved
zoning
code
to
the
approve
zoning
ordinance
plan,
assigning
ordinance
and
citywide
zoning
map.
A
Seeing
none
is
there
anyone
on
the
Commission
that
was
just
here
this
item
all
right
thing
on
this
item:
Oh
remaining
consent
item
number:
two
is
a
request
from
the
Iowa
laborers
education
training,
transplant
for
review
and
approval
of
the
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
4560
Hubbell
Avenue.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
which
is
asked
to
pull
this
item
from
consent,
sing.
A
Man
that
I
deny
consent.
The
third
and
final
item
free
consent
tonight
is
request
from
the
village
at
Gray's
lake
for
review
and
approval
of
a
quick
preliminary
plat,
the
village
at
Gray's
lake
and
property
located
at
2,500
for
drive.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
us
to
pull
this
item
from
the
consent
agenda?
A
A
Thank
you
now
for
a
public
hearing
items
tonight.
It's
my
understanding
that
item
number
Five's.
Thank
you
for
coming
item
number.
Five
is
really
yes,
I,
don't
know
if
I
the
request
from
Hubbell
Realty
for
review
and
approval
of
the
preliminary
plat
grover
woods
in
the
vicinity
of
4500
Hubbell
Avenue
to
allow
subdivision
of
the
property
in
the
84
single-family
development
flats,
the.
A
D
A
Thank
you
so
much
all
those
in
favor
of
continuing
item
number
five
to
our
1121
reading,
all
right.
What's
their
names,
I
think
everybody
but
I,
guess
that
I
don't
want
be
continued
and
then
it's
my
understanding
item
number
six.
The
request
from
we
can
build
it
for
review
and
approval
of
the
PUD
development
plan.
Franklin
junior
high
for
property
located
at
4801
Franklin,
to
allow
the
mixed-use
redevelopment
of
this
site
also,
which
is
to
continue
this
item-
is
that
correct
to.
A
C
C
Bear
with
us
to
turn
around
and
look
at
the
monitor
behind
you,
because
at
least
that
is
pretty
much
so
sorry
about
that.
We'll
see
what
we
can
do
here.
So
this
map
identifies
the
subject:
property
city
block
the
downtown
area
of
MLK
Parkway
to
the
north,
south
west
11th,
Street,
Tuttle,
Southwest.
9Th.
The
focus
of
our
discussion
tonight
is
the
northern
part
of
the
PUD
there's
a
hotel.
E
C
Just
quickly
the
office
building
is
proposed
at
the
north
edge
along
MLK.
This
is
what
is
on
the
books.
This
has
previously
been
approved,
so
it
was
kind
of
centered
in
the
block
had
structured
parking.
You
can
see
arrangement
of
parking,
Drive
access
to
the
interior
building
and
then
pad
site
for
future
development
at
the
corner.
11Th.
C
Closer
to
Southwest,
ninth
viaduct
and
then
the
the
proposal
also
eliminates
the
structured
parking
within
the
building.
There's
also
an
area.
That's
dedicated
a
restaurant
space
in
addition
to
the
office
use
warming
elevations
that
were
included
in
your
packet
very
similar
to
what
proposed
previously.
F
C
C
C
Provision
of
a
note
that
States
upon
build
out
that
the
Northwest
portion
of
the
PUD,
the
building
shall
occupy
at
least
70
percent
of
the
street
frontage
is
long,
both
West
Martin,
Luther,
King,
jr.,
Parkway
and
South
West
11th
Street.
Furthermore,
the
layout
of
the
parking
lot
on
the
PUD
conceptual
plan
shall
be
revised
in
order
to
demonstrate
that
this
condition
can
and
will
be
satisfied
and
what
to
kind
of
simplify
that.
C
What
we're
looking
for
is
staff
is,
when
this
peds
completely
built
out
we're
asking
for
70%
of
the
frontages
along
MLK
and
Southwest
11th,
to
be
fronted
by
a
building
and
where
this
standard
comes
from
is
the
downtown
overlay
district
standard
that
is
applied
throughout
the
downtown,
because
this
is
a
PUD.
It
pushes
that
to
the
side.
So
we
don't
have
that
as
as
a
as
a
regulation.
However,
when
we
review
PUD
x'
in
the
downtown,
we
reference
that
as
as
something
that
we
should
keep
in
mind
as
we
review
these
peds.
So
the
proposal.
C
This
is
a
future
development.
This
will
require
future
amendment
to
the
conceptual
plans.
So
this
is
going
to
come
back
to
you
and
we
understand
that
a
staff,
the
the
key
for
us
at
this
point
in
time
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
amount
of
parking
that's
developed
in
this
area
isn't
great,
so
great
that
it
prohibits
the
ability
of
a
building
to
be
built
here.
That's
large
enough
of
a
footprint
to
establish
that
70%
frontage
along
both
streets,
I
think
I'll.
C
C
Let
them
explain
those
to
you
without
a
future
project
without
the
design
of
knowing
what's
going
to
go
on
this
corner
as
staff,
we
feel
it's
a
little
premature
to
say:
okay,
let's
back
away
from
that
70%,
we
feel
that
that's
a
discussion
that
should
take
place
down
the
road,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
why
we're
having
that
discussion,
we
haven't
done
anything
now
that
prohibits
us
from
achieving
that
which
constructing
parking
beyond
you
know
into
this.
What
would
be
the
building
footprint?
What
would
create
an
obstacle
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
so?
C
D
C
You
know
I'll,
let
the
applicant
identify
their
signage,
they
have
an
overall
sign
science
plan
for
this
whole
PUD,
and
this
is
an
amendment
so
what's
in
this
also
covers
the
whole.
The
whole
peds
able
addressing
specifically
where,
where
the
signs
are
going
to
go
where
they're
not,
but
the
overall
sign
program
is
already
that's
not
being
amended,
that's
something
that
was
a
three
of
the
previous
approvals.
G
C
If
you
look
at
the
two
variations
of
the
proposal
and
I,
don't
know
they
like
exact
number
of
change,
you
know
stalls
they're
now
on
the
site
or
surface
parking,
but
there
is.
The
amendment
does
have
more
parking
in
this
general
area
and
then
over
here,
just
by
a
visual,
you
think
embarrass
a
little
that
makeup
again
yeah
this
does
that
help
at
all.
C
D
E
Commissioners,
thanks
for
having
us
tonight,
my
name
is
Will
Anderson
I'm,
a
senior
developer
with
Sherman
associates,
appreciate
staffs
presentation.
We
are,
you
know,
generally
in
agreement
with
all
the
recommendations
that
staff
is
making
and
absolutely
agree
that
we're
not
here
today
seeking
any
variance
from
the
70%
requirement
on
that
future,
amended
PUD
site
on
the
northwest
corner.
What
we,
what
we
are
seeking
wanted
to
discuss
was
the
ability
to
implement
this
parking
here
that
that
would
be.
E
That
would
be
impacted
by
the
the
70%
requirement
implement
that
with
this
development,
so
we
can
realize
kind
of
the
parking
counts
that
are
really
required,
our
lender
and
required
by
the
market.
For
this
approximately
70,000
square
foot
office,
video.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
implement
these.
Really,
it's
the
it's.
These
seven
stalls
right
here
that
would
be
within
the
the
70%
build
area.
E
The
the
requirement
for
this
building,
or
you
know
the
the
bill.
The
the
building
that
is
ultimately
implemented
on
the
northwest
corner
would
be
approximately
a
hundred
and
eighty
six
feet
that
would
that
would
bring
the
the
edge
of
that
building
or
structure
or
screening
to
approximately.
Here,
where
you
see
this
walkway,
we
would
like
to
to
implement
this
parking
now
associated
with
this
development
and
at
the
time
that
we
do
have
a
user
and
a
proposed
plan
for
the
northwest
corner.
E
Come
back
to
this
team
and
to
come
back
to
this
commission
and
present
a
plan
that
you
know
that
we
think
really
meets
the
intent
either
through.
You
know,
taking
up
that
parking
and
you
know
building
a
structure
on
top
of
that
or
potentially
should
we
come
up
with
a
design
that
is
agreeable
to
the
commission
using
some
sort
of
architectural
screening
along
MLK
to
screen
that
parking
and
meet
the
the
70%
requirement.
That's
really
the
the
the
piece
that
we
wanted
to
bring
to
the
the
group
today
to
discuss.
H
A
E
So
it's
it's
really
market
driven
right,
so
we're
at
we're
at
three
point:
approximately
three
point:
two
five
stalls
per
thousand
square
feet
within
the
office
building.
Here,
that's
that's
under
market
our
brokers
tell
us
they
want
four
stalls
per
thousand
to
really
be
able
to
effectively
leased
this.
This
building
now
we'd
Sherman
associates
own
the
two
hotels
adjacent
to
this,
and
we
see
really
complimentary.
You
know,
usage
of
those
parking
stalls
are
our
hotels,
fill
up
at
night
and
they're
all
gone
in
the
morning.
E
Our
office
users
are
all
coming
during
the
day,
of
course,
so
we
we
will
seek
to
enter
into
you
know
shared
use
agreements
of
those
parking
stalls
for
the
the
holiday
and
Express,
and
they
Hilton
true,
which
recently
came
in
front
of
you,
but
but
the
the
parking
stalls
really
are
market
driven
is
what
we
need
to
see
that.
What
is
why
we
need
to
see
those
seven
stalls
continue
to
be
implemented
in
this
plan.
I
Hello,
well
so,
if
I'm
understanding
this
right,
I
tried
to
make
it
dark
enough.
I
don't
think
this,
and
this
would
ever
equal
seventy
percent
just
eyeballing
it.
You
know,
there's
some
Sun
and
I.
Think
you
sort
of
tipped
your
hand
there
a
second
ago,
and
you
said,
and
might
need
to
come
back
with
a
screen
or
I-
think
you're
kind
of
tipping
your
hand.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
I,
don't
know
how
you
would
ever
beat
the
70%
unless
you
tore
out
the
parking
you're
getting
ready
to
build.
Here's.
E
Here's
Will
Anderson
amateur
architect
with
my
you
know,
approximate
scale
at
the
bottom.
This
is
this
is
approximately.
Where
set
if
the
the
building
is
186
feet
on
MLK,
this
is
approximately
where
that
would
come
up.
So
yes,
really
really.
What
we're
looking
for
from
this?
This
group
is
an
approval
and
ability
to
build
this
parking
now,
with
the
understanding
that
when
we
come
back
here,
you
know
should
should
should
the
economics
for
a
larger
building
to
be
here
work
and
we
can
get
the
parking
counts
and
everything
to
work.
E
We
would
absolutely
seek
to
seek
to
implement
that
that
larger
structure
should
that.
Should
that
not
come
to
fruition,
we
would
you
know,
work
with
work
with
staff
and
and
come
in
front
of
this
board
to
see
if
there
was
a
some
sort
of
an
architectural
screening
that
would
allow
us
to.
You
know
meet
the
intent
of
that.
That's
70
percent
of
building
frontage.
Well!
Well,
it's
still
maintaining
that
parking.
That's
it!
That's
it!
That's
right!.
D
E
Yeah
and
I
I'm
sorry
I
need
to
I
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
our
master
signage
plan.
I.
Don't
have
that
with
me
that
again,
that's
a
that's
a
document
that
was
approved
three
viously
by
this
board
and
others
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
that
20
foot
sign
is
going
at
this
point,
I
believe
it's
at
the
I
believe
it.
What
is
what
is
shown
in
the
plan
is
at
this
intersection
here.
D
C
J
C
D
B
E
Percent
requirement
would
require
a
building
of
approximately
205
feet
on
Southwest
11th.
Similarly,
on
Southwest
11,
you
know
we
don't
have
a,
we
don't
have
a
planned
user,
we
don't
have
a
attendant.
We
don't
have
a
project
for
the
northwest
corner.
Yet
we
are,
you
know
urban
developers
really
seeking
to
implement
urban
form
on
this
block.
We
want
to
screen
the
parking
on
the
interior,
but
we
also
need
to
bring
a
project
to
market
that
has
parking
and
that
we
can
finance
so
well.
E
E
Would
you
know
just
ask
this
commission
to
you
know,
allow
us
to
kind
of
litigate
that
and
consider
that
with
the
next
beauty,
which
will
come
back
in
front
of
this
board,
that
you
will
have
the
opportunity
to
approve
what
happens
on
that
corner
again?
Why
I'm
up
here
talking
about
it
now
is
just
because
it's
specifically
on
MLK
is
that
that
area
would
be
within
this
area
that
that
we're
currently
seeking
to
build
parking
on.
F
E
I
C
E
E
That's
exactly
right
so
with
this
with
this,
with
this
project,
we're
seeking
to
build
these
seven
stalls
right
here,
as
you
can
note,
you
know
somewhere
in
here
again.
This
is
this-
is
my
you
know
a
mature
scale
somewhere
in
here,
the
the
186
foot
building
would
impact
these
seven
stalls.
What
the
staff
recommendation
was
was
that
the
the
with
with
this
project,
the
the
site
plan,
the
parking
lot
should
be
amended
to
remove
those
so
in
the
future,
that
structure
could
be
built.
E
What
we're
asking
for
today
is
just
to
allow
this
to
remain
in
place,
and
then
you
know
once
we
once
we
come
back
to
this
body
for
a
approval
on
the
northwest
corner,
we
would
seek
to
either
you
know
meet
that
186
woopsy
fireman.
We
would
remove
these
stalls
or
we
would
seek
to
meet
the
intent
of
that
70%
requirement
and,
put
some
sort
of
you
know:
screening
along
MLK,
here
to
to
meet
that
to
meet
that
requirement.
E
G
E
Yeah,
so
I
mean
at
that
point
at
that
point
would
be
potentially
building
up
more
stalls
down
here
right
so
again,
because
because
we
own-
because
we
own
all
of
this,
we
have
the
opportunity
first
for
some
shared
use
of
the
other
of
the
parking
stalls
in
the
future
right
again
right
now,
we're
not
building
on
any
of
these
stalls
that
are
that
are
that
are
great
out
here
and
again
this
this
this
structure,
that's
shown
here.
Obviously,
that's
not
that's
not
what
we're
going
to
that's,
not
what
we're
going
to
implement.
I
E
Maybe
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
you.
Maybe
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process
that
we
went
through
for
the
the
parking
layout
and
how
we
did
arrive
at
it.
I
know
that
some
of
the
some
of
the
the
changes
were
driven
by
obviously
comments
on
the
the
the
hotel,
true
PUD,
and
we
did
you
know,
widen
some
islands.
We
added
substantially
more
landscaping
on
the
interior
of
the
block
and
that
caused
some
some
parking
stalls
to
move
around.
K
Good
evening
Tim
West
with
Snyder
&
Associates,
we
we
really
were
trying
to
modify
the
site
to
accommodate
those
underground
parking
stalls
and
make
sure
that
we
had
the
yield
that
we
were
at
least
trying
to
make
it
even
to
what
we
had
before.
I
would
agree
that
the
single
sided
or
single
loaded
drive
aisle
is
something
that
we
would
normally
avoid,
but
we
had
to
hit
a
certain
number
of
stalls
there
so
that
we
could
have
the
overall
needs
for
the
office
and
restaurant
defined
in
the
North,
half
or
so
of
the
property.
K
K
H
H
Lenders
as
you
leave
and
okay,
so
you
need
240
for
the
office
building
and
45
for
the
restaurants.
What
I'm
hearing
there
a
proximal?
Okay
so
now
drop
down
to
the
holiday
end.
It
says
97
parking
spaces
on
the
roof
of
that
building.
You
see
that
yep
okay,
so
that
must
mean
they
needed
97,
that's
correct!
So
now
we're
gonna
go
over
to
what
is
that?
Is
it
the
true
building.
A
H
K
G
F
Jackie
yep,
so
my
initial
reaction
to
this
project
was:
it
looks
like
we're
building
a
big
parking
lot.
So
are:
how
are
we
addressing
we
do
this
in
other
parts
of
the
city?
How
are
you
addressing
like
permeable
concrete
or
how
are
you
being
good
to
our
environment?
Because
it's
a
lot
of
concrete
here
there.
K
Is
we
one
of
it
is
that
we've
reduced
that
footprint
as
far
as
we
can
four
just
to
accommodate
the
the
uses
associated
with
this?
Would
the
the
four
or
five
buildings,
four
buildings
that
could
possibly
be
here
what's
not
shown
here?
Is
we
have
an
underground
stormwater
system
which
would
filter
the
stormwater
as
its
collected
on-site
and
it
would
be
filtered
through
Rock
chambers
and
through
a
filtering
row
with
the
storm
tech
system
that.
K
K
K
Also
two
large
islands,
along
of
the
holiday
in
that
north
south
island,
see
it
right
here,
there's
another
large
island
here
at
another
large
island
here
those
are
have
depressions
to
them
that
that
lead
to
intakes
also
that
also
feed
into
an
underground
detention,
basin
or
underground
detention
cells.
So
there's
a
number
of
those
items
being
implemented.
K
Some
of
the
patios
that
are
associated
with
this
property.
We've
talked
about
permeable
pavers,
there's
one
located
outside
of
the
restaurant,
there's
two
located
on
the
south
side
of
the
new
hotel
or
proposed
hotel.
So
where
we
do
have
areas
we
are
trying
to
implement
stormwater
best
management
practices.
C
C
Good
catch
they're
not
opposed
the
condition
number
six,
the
way
that's
written,
the
same
percent,
changing
the
drawing
they're,
not
opposed
to
that.
That's
that
could
as
far
as
they're
concerned,
they
are
okay
with
that
condition
for
Southwest
11th,
but
MLK
is
really
the
focus
of
where
we're
at
a
pass.
Thank
you.
A
C
Number
six
to
the
party
and
I
would
if
we
were
to
rewrite
this
to
reflect
their
position,
we
would
just
strike
the
references
to
MLK
if
you
had
any
other
references
that
you
wanted
about
a
future
building
or
something
like
that,
we
could
create
new
ones.
Exactly
so
does
that
answer
your
question.
Yeah.
J
C
You
know,
70
percent
frontage
should
be
worked
towards.
You
know
I'm
you.
If
you
give
me
a
few
minutes,
I
can
come
up
with
some
better
language
than
this,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
you
know
like
just
something
along
those
lines
that
when
it
comes
back,
that's
the
goal
and
the
reflection
of
understanding
the
parking
may
be
allowed.
I
would.
B
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
it
and
I,
think
it's
very
important
that
especially
on
m.l.king,
if
we
have
a
seventy
percent
requirement,
but
it's
not
just
for
screening
of
a
parking
lot,
which
is
nothing
it
needs
to
have
the
bulk
of
a
building
there,
a
three
or
four
story
building.
So
it
looks
like
something
when
you
drive
by
rather
than
I
mean
the
object,
isn't
to
screen
the
park
and
even
though
that's
part
of
it,
it's
just
not
to
have
parking
there
at
all,
it's
to
have
a
building
there.
B
So
my
thought
is:
we
need
to
leave
staffs
recommendation
alone
and
because,
if
if
they
build
parking
here,
they're
gonna
come
back
in
and
they're
gonna
say
well,
we
don't
want
to
do
it.
We
don't
want
to
take
out
the
pardon.
We're
gonna
put
this
tiny
little
building
on
the
corner,
and
please
please
please
could
you
allow
us
to
put
some
ticky
tacky
little
screening
in
front
of
our
parking
and
not
meet
the
requirement?
That's
what
they're
going
to
do
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
solve
it
now.
B
A
J
D
A
All
right,
so
the
motion
on
the
table
is
to
support
the
staff
recommendation
of
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
PUD
conceptual
plan,
subject
to
conditions
1
2
3
I'm,
not
reading
them
because
they
were
1,
2,
3,
4,
5
6
remains
as
written,
7,
8,
9
and
10.
All
of
those
in
favor
of
that
motion
please
signify
by
raising
your
hand.