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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, July 18, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
City
of
Des
Moines
planning
zoning
Commission
meeting.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight.
Everyone
delightful
to
have
you
use
our
condition
instead
of
yours.
These
are
the
rules
and
procedures
of
our
planet.
Aleen
Commission
the
planet,
Zoning
Commission,
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats
and
less
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city
clerk,
and/or,
Community,
Development,
Department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicants
tonight
will
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
their
proposal,
and
then
proponents
and
opponents
from
the
public
are
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
being
allowed
a
maximum
five
minutes.
I
might
like
to
interject
here
that
our
public
hearing
a
number
item
number
six,
which
has
to
do
with
the
new
city
code.
A
The
hearing
then
will
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
decide
and
discuss
some
vote
on
the
issue
and
again
a
public
or
an
item.
Number
six
tonight
is
just
a
public
hearing
and
there
will
not
be
action
by
the
Planning
Commission
until
our
August
meeting
the
hearing
has
been
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
should
be
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed,
and/or
unless,
of
course,
a
member,
an
individual
member
of
the
public
or
a
member
of
the
Commission
requests
that
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
The
City
of
Des
Moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
with
city
government
assisted
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
the
this
room
to
better
serve
you
when
possible.
A
Please
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
should
special
accommodations
be
required
planning
zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media
cable
channel
seven
point
one
or
seven
point
two
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
6:20
Terry
Street,
the
reserved
your
route
place
called
art
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
tips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
A
Prior
to
the
meeting,
please
be
sure
to
mention
in
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act.
All
right.
We
do
have
a
quorum
established
tonight
and
is
there
action
for
the
minutes
of
our
June
24th?
A
A
B
A
A
A
Right,
thank
you.
Now.
It
would
have
consumers
item
number
one
on
our
consent:
agendas
request
from
Des
Moines
public
schools
for
vacation
of
Fremont
Street
from
East
14th
to
East
15th
and
for
vacation
of
East
15th
Street
from
Fremont
to
East
universities
to
allow
it
to
be
assembled
with
the
adjoining
property.
A
A
Okay?
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
that
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight
thing
man
we'll
keep
that
on
eight
consent.
Item
number
two
is
a
request
from
Coutu
foes
Auto
Services
for
review
and
approval
of
site
plan
under
design
guidelines
for
vehicle
display
lots
for
property
located
at
1640
court
Avenue
to
allow
for
expansion
of
the
existing
auto
business
with
additional
area
for
vehicle
display
lat
is
that
is
the
applicant
present
tonight.
A
A
A
A
Applicant,
the
question
is,
you
are
agreeable
with
all
of
the
staff
recommendations
you
can
decide,
if
that's
the
fact
Amma's.
Yes.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Item
number
four
is
a
request
from
Des
Moines
Griffin,
building
at
319,
seventh
Street
for
vacation
of
a
four
foot
by
four
foot
segment
of
air
rights
within
the
adjoining
east-west
alley
to
allow
for
ventilation
ducts
attached
to
the
upper
portion
of
the
Ville
of
the
building
that
would
encroach
over
the
alley
is
the
applicant
here
tonight
for
this
item.
A
You're
here,
okay,
is
there
anyone
and
you
agree
to
this
item
remaining
I
consent.
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
so
which
is
us
to
pull
this
item
thing
man?
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
all
right,
settle
remaining
consent,
I'm
verified
is
a
request
for
review
and
approval
of
a
preliminary
plan.
Mckinley
acres,
a
property
located
at
3,400
3,400,
three:
four:
zero
one
black
of
McKinley
Avenue
to
allow
for
reap
flatting
of
2.16
acres
of
property
into
four
Lots
for
single-family
residential
development.
A
C
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
we
are
now
ready
for
a
public
hearing.
Once
again,
I
wanted
to
reiterate
that
item
number
six,
which
is
the
proposed
zoning,
ordinance,
planning
and
design
or
again
some
citywide
zoning
map.
Amendment
is
not
going
to
have
action
tonight.
This
is
public
hearing
and
action
on
this
item
by
the
Commission
will
be
scheduled
for
our
August
first
meeting.
If
you
are
interested
in
speaking,
we
do
have
a
sign-up
sheet
and
we
will
try
to
you
know,
accommodate
least
because
it's
possible.
A
E
To
introduce
that
madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission
Michael
electric
planning
administrator
tonight,
it's
a
pretty
monumental
evening
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
This
is
the
first
public
hearing
on
a
comprehensive
rewrite
of
the
zoning
ordinance
in
54
years
of
the
city
1965.
Actually
July
of
1965
was
the
last
time
the
city
adopted
a
comprehensive
rewrite
of
the
zoning
ordinance
so
almost
54
years,
obviously
to
the
date
just
a
quick
overview
plan.
Dsm
was
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
that
was
adopted
in
2016.
E
These
are
the
plan
elements
that
are
contained
in
our
comprehensive
plan:
land
use,
transportation,
housing,
public
infrastructure,
Parks
and
Recreation
economic
development,
community
facilities,
community
character,
social
equity
and
implement
an
implementation
chapter.
So
this
was
a
very
broad,
comprehensive
plan.
E
It
followed
the
principles
of
the
smart
or
I'm
sorry,
smart
planning,
legislation
at
the
state
level
at
chapter
18,
B
of
the
Iowa
Code,
and
there
were
recommended
elements
obviously
to
be
in
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
we
followed
that
with
this
plan
so
again,
I
think
probably
one
of
the
items
that's
on
this
list
that
was
not
on.
There
was
social
equity
chapter,
which
was
a
very
important
chapter
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
and
that
was
a
result
of
the
substantial
outreach
that
we
did
as
part
of
that
planning
effort.
E
Several
directions
came
from
that
plan
that
directed
growth,
redevelopment
mix
of
uses
and
housing,
types
nodes
and
corridors
designated
on
the
map
that
are
all
linked
by
transit.
So
our
land-use
map
is
linked
to
our
transit
urban
solutions
to
urban
issues
and
return
on
investment
on
public
infrastructure.
This
is
where
we
are
today.
Obviously,
plan
DSM
is
at
the
top
of
this
chart.
That
was
the
citizens
plan
for
the
for
the
future
of
Des
Moines.
E
The
council's
guide,
DSM
document
is
a
strategic
plan
that
actually
provided
funding
for
other
planning
initiatives
at
the
city,
including
the
zoning
ordinance
you'll,
also
see
on
their
move,
DSM,
which
is
our
transportation
plan,
Lib
DSM,
which
is
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan.
We
have
our
CIP
and
programming,
that's
also
within
that,
and
then
our
nodes
and
corridors
and
neighborhood
plans
start
revitalization.
Strategy
would
be
that
middle
box.
E
So,
as
you
can
see,
they're
all
they've
all
been
funded
and
they're
all
plans
that
are
under
the
umbrella
of
plan
DSM
they've
been
developed
with
according
to
the
principles
of
plan
DSM,
as
I
said
last
comprehensive
rewrite
was
1965.
1926
was
actually
our
first
zoning
ordinance
adopted
in
the
city
and
there's
a
copy
of
it.
E
So
why
a
new
code
since
1965,
we
amended
the
current
code
about
over
300
times,
it's
not
very
user
friendly,
there's
conflicts
in
the
document
and
very
minimal
design
regulations,
certain
uses
that
are
necessary
for
sustainable
neighborhoods
or
are
not
included
in
this
in
this
ordinance.
Today,
the
allowed
density
intensity
isn't
in
alignment
with
our
comprehensive
plan,
and
many
properties
are
not
appreciating
in
value
in
Des
Moines.
E
So
as
part
of
this
zoning
ordinance
project,
we
started
out
with
a
series
of
about
11
stakeholder
meetings.
Our
consultant
did
I
listed
who
participated
in
those
stakeholder
meetings.
There
was
a
project
Direction
report
that
was
prepared
in
October
of
2016
that
provided
direction
where
we
are
tonight.
These
were
just
the
items
that
were
were
directed
in
that,
and
so
the
ordinance
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
is
is
the
result.
E
There
are
two
ordinances
under
consideration
and
a
zoning
map
there
constitute
essentially
our
development
codes
or
development
regulations.
Chapter
1
34
is
zoning
and
you'll
see
the
items
that
are
now
proposed
to
be
included
in
our
zoning
ordinance.
Obviously,
zoning
districts,
authorization
for
our
zoning
map
use,
uses
of
property
are
listed
in
the
in
the
zoning
chapter.
Wireless
telecommunications
signs
and
then
procedures
and
non-conforming
uses
are
all
in
that
chapter
134.
E
Everything
else
is
being
proposed
to
be
moving
into
a
design
chapter
which
is
chapter
135,
and
so
things
that
traditionally
have
been
probably
thought
of,
as
zoning
have
been
moved
into
a
design
chapter.
This
isn't
new
for
des
moines.
We've
had
design
regulations
in
Chapter,
82
of
our
site
plan
regulations
for
specific
uses
for
specific
zoning
districts
as
well
since
at
least
1998.
So
we
have
nearly
well.
We
have
21
years
of
experience
in
administering
design
regulations
outside
of
the
zoning
ordinance
in
des
moines.
E
This
is
the
draft
zoning
map
that
we
have
for
the
city
again.
This
is
much
more
detailed
than
our
existing
zoning
code
or
zoning
map
allows
under
our
existing
zoning
code.
That
really
only
difference
between
any
kind
of
residential
zoning
in
des
moines
is
the
lot
width.
That's
all
that
defines
the
character
of
neighborhoods
is
lot
with.
E
This
code
starts
to
look
at
architectural
styles
and
breaks
and
those
styles
as
you
go
through
individual
neighborhoods,
so
on
this
map
there
are
neighborhoods
that
have
traditionally
been
zoned
all
one
district,
including
parks
and
and
community
facilities,
and
everything
else
schools
under
one
zoning
district
for
large
expanses
under
this
map,
it's
a
much
more
refined
delineation
of
where
breaks
occur
in
architecture
and
errors
of
homes
years
homes
were
built.
Things
like
that
again.
E
The
easiest
way
to
use
this
code
is
by
following
the
ten
step
guide:
I'm
not
going
to
run
everybody
through
that
I
hope
people
have
seen
this
on
our
website
and
I've
used
that
as
an
opportunity
to
review
the
code
and
familiar
with
it.
We
still
have
a
zoning
map.
As
I
said,
we
have
an
app
on
the
plan
dsm
website
that
lets
you
search
by
address,
and
you
can
toggle
back
and
forth
between
current
zoning
map
and
proposed
zoning
map.
E
So
you
can
see
the
differences
in
what
your
designation
will
be,
and
then
you
can
find
what
those
regulations
are
in
the
code.
We
have
a
series
of
zoning
districts
just
like
we
have
in
our
current
code,
but
there
is
a
strong
emphasis
in
this
code
on
mixed
use.
Zoning
that
is
very
different
from
our
existing
existing
ordinance.
E
This
is
a
listing
of
just
at
the
top,
and
the
yellow.
The
residential
districts
are,
in
this
code,
a
much
greater
I
guess
differentiation
in
those
districts
than
just
lot
width,
and
then
we
also
have
new
things
in
this
code,
such
as
a
parks
in
p1
district,
which
is
for
parks
and
open
space
and
a
p2
district
that
would
be
like
for
schools
and
institutional
uses.
Those
have
traditionally
just
been
zoned,
whatever
the
residential
around
them
is
zoned,
and
so
that's
limited.
E
Once
you
know
what
zoning
you're
in
you
go
to
our
use,
charts
right
now
in
our
code,
everything's
just
listed
out
narratively
in
the
code,
it's
very
hard
to
to
compare
districts.
The
new
tables
make
it
very
easy
to
compare,
compare
differences
among
districts,
and
if
you're
zoning
doesn't
allow
the
use
that
you
want
or
have
them,
you
can
quickly
find
out
what
zoning
you
need
by
using
these
tables.
E
There
are
frontage
requirements
where
we
have
requirements
for
occupied
space,
such
as
retail
or
office
or
other
uses.
Those
are
delineated
on
the
lines
or
the
primary
streets
map.
That
map
includes
an
inset
of
downtown,
for
example.
We
do
not
expect
every
ground-floor
to
be
occupied
with
retail
along
these
corridors.
We
know
there's
not
a
market
for
that.
Much
retail.
We
have
opened
up
the
zoning
district
to
allow
other
uses
to
be
on
that,
but
we
do
want
an
active
streetscape
along
those
corridors
for
certain
building
types
all
have
a
four-page
spread
in
the
chapter.
E
135
the
beginning
is
photo
examples.
Most
of
those
are
from
Des
Moines.
There
are
some
that
are
not
Des
Moines
in
in
the
code,
and
then
you
get
into
the
tables
that
actually
talked
about
building
placement
height
relation
to
lot
lines,
even
some
use
regulations
or
in
those
tables.
This
is
where
you
will
find
as
I'll
get
to
in
a
few
minutes
the
regulations
about
minimum
house
size,
basements
garages
for
the
house
types
a
b,
c
and
b.
E
There
are
in
this
code
and
building
types
design
requirements
after
you
know
what
building
type
you're
in
and
that
you're
complying
with
setbacks.
There
are
design
requirements
for
architecture
on
the
buildings
in
this
code,
which
are
an
enhancement
from
our
existing
regulations
and
again
I.
Think
we've
done
quite
a
bit
of
review
on
this
between
when
the
public
review
draft
was
released
in
August
of
2017,
we
received
300
over
300
public
comments
and
over
350
staff
comments.
E
We
then
also
conducted
some
stress
tests
if
you
want
to
call
that
of
the
standards
against
existing
projects,
and
we
made
revisions
to
the
design
requirements
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
The
parking
regulations
in
this
in
the
chapter
135
are
again
overall
about
a
30%
reduction
in
required
parking
from
what
our
current
code
requires.
This
is
not
a
no
parking
required
ordinance.
I
know,
there's
been
some
discussion
and
desire
to
have
that,
but
this
is
not.
E
E
That
is
to
achieve
a
lot
of
our
sustainability
goals
in
the
comp
plan
about
stormwater
runoff
trying
to
contain
water
on
sites,
and
we
know
that
the
more
green
area
that
we
can
have
on
a
site,
the
more
that
water
infiltrates
at
the
point
it
falls
rather
than
running
off
on
onto
our
sewer
system
and
into
the
river
sign
code,
is
sign
regulations
or
in
the
zoning
chapter.
This
is
probably
our
most
confusing
section
of
our
ordinance
today,
it's
it's
not
user
friendly
at
all,
and
so
again
we
put
the
information
in
tables
and
I.
E
Think
we've
created
a
much
more
user
friendly
sign
regulation
for
for
the
City
of
Peoria,
much
easier
to
navigate
and
find
review
and
approval
procedures.
Both
chapters
have
review
and
approval
procedures
in
Chapter
135.
There's
two
processes
available.
One
is
an
administrative
site
plan
review,
so
this
whole
project
was
based
on
the
idea
of
trying
to
get
more
things
into
administrative
reviews.
In
exchange
for
having
more
things
eligible
for
administrative
review,
we
had
to
set
higher
standards
for
development.
That
was
the
trade-off
that
we
made
between
development
desires
and
neighborhood
desires
in
Des
Moines.
E
The
neighborhood's
gave
up
a
lot
of
opportunity
or
are
giving
up
opportunity
for
public
hearings
on
product
on
every
project
in
exchange
for
us
setting
a
minimum
standard
for
development.
If
a
project
does
not
meet
those
standards,
they
can
apply
for
a
type
one
administrative
design
exception
or
a
design
alternative
under
the
code.
If
it's
not
eligible
for
that
level
of
relief,
there
is
a
public
hearing
site
plan
process
that
they
can
go
through.
Combine
these
processes
are
still,
in
my
opinion,
more
efficient
than
our
existing
code.
E
E
Chapter
134
also
has
review
and
approval
procedures,
so
you
still
have
rezoning
as
an
option
under
Chapter
134,
you
can
still
get
variances
to
sign
regulations
under
the
zoning
ordinance.
Those
would
still
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
as
well
as
wireless
telecommunications
and
use
variances.
So
a
lot
of
people
have
asked
and
I've
got
some
documents
to
pass
around
at
this
point.
E
This
is
the
list
of
emails
that
we've
received
in
entirety
to
plan
the
SM,
since
the
public
hearing
draft
was
released,
I
believe
about
six
hundred
and
thirty
of
those
are
a
it's
a
form
letter
from
realtors
in
Des,
Moines,
Metro
and
Iowa
that
so
I
had
provided
the
original
letter
to
you.
All
the
other
letters
have
the
same
information
or
anything
it
changes
is
the
name
of
who
submitted
them.
E
As
of
yesterday
about
1718
percent
of
four
hundred
and
thirty,
that
we'd
received
were
from
Des
Moines
Realtors,
the
rest
for
Des
Moines,
metro
realtors,
and
we
did
have
some
that
were
as
far
as
ways
Mason
City,
Pleasantville
and
Center
they're
in
that
stack.
But
again
the
letter
is
the
same,
but
there's
obviously
six
hundred
and
thirty
of
them
in
there.
So
one
of
the
things
that
was
listed
in
the
Realtors
comment,
saying
that
we've
heard
quite
loud,
is
about
the
impacts
on
affordable
housing.
So
I
just
want
to
touch
briefly
on
some
key
points.
E
I
think
point
out
what
this
code
is
doing
to
address:
affordable
housing,
one
its
eliminating
duplicate
processes.
Time
is
money
the
longer
unit
process,
its
costly,
and
so
we
believe
that
we're
helping
all
development
and
in
turn,
affordable
housing
development
by
having
shorter
processes
and
more
predictable
processes.
E
This
implements
our
land
use
and
transportation
goals
which,
by
increasing
density
along
transit
corridors,
you
can
also
address
household
costs
for
transportation,
which
are
also
a
major
part
of
addressing
affordability
in
the
community.
The
design
standards
ensure
predictability
and
quality
for
native
developers
and
neighborhoods.
If
a
project
is
following
design
standards,
there's
no
need
for
a
public
hearing
that
eliminates
some
discussion,
not
in
my
backyard,
because
it's
meeting
a
minimum
design
standard,
multi
household
residential
is,
is
now
proposed
to
be
administrative
review
under
this
code.
E
E
This
code
reintroduces
missing
middle
housing
since
1995,
our
zoning
ordinance
has
taken
duplex
structures
out
of
most
residential
districts,
and
so
this
is
a
reintroducing,
the
ability
to
put
duplexes
and
for
plexes
back
into
some
districts.
We
would
hope
that
over
time,
as
we
prove
out,
the
design
standards
prove
up
and
the
the
zoning
proves
up,
that
we
could
expand
that
to
additional
districts
and
maybe
expand
that
citywide
at
someday.
E
Dsm,
there's
no
question
about
why
we
have
regulations
for
one
and
two
household
dwelling
units
in
this
code
for
square
footage
and
amenities
like
basements
or
garages.
This
is
just
a
summary.
The
average
square
footage
of
all
homes
in
Des
Moines
is
1,250
three
square
feet:
that's
27
percent,
smaller
than
the
averages
for
the
remainder
of
Polk
County,
the
average
sale
price
of
all
housing
in
Des
Moines
is
a
hundred
and
thirty
three
thousand
dollars.
As
of
today.
I'd
looked
at
some
realty
sites
and
just
for
example,
just
immediately
south
of
downtown.
E
There
were
90
some
homes
that
are
for
sale
under
$175,000
in
Des
Moines
shifted
over
to
another
area
of
the
map.
There
were
another
50,
some
homes
that
were
available.
You
go
to
Johnson,
there's
two
you
go
to
Urbandale,
there's
fewer
you
go
to
other
suburbs,
there's
fewer,
so
we
believe
that
we
do
have
significant,
affordable
housing
stock
in
Des.
E
Moines
part
of
the
challenges
is
that
that
that
housing
stock
is
occupied
and
when
those
households
want
to
move
up
from
the
housing
that
they're
in
right
now,
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
of
housing
stock
being
built.
That's
that's
larger
than
those
averages
that
we
have
today,
and
so
the
choices
for
people
that
are
looking
for
either
to
upsize
or
to
downsize
has
historically
been
to
leave.
Des
Moines
and
go
to
go
to
the
suburbs
and
seek
those
housing
options.
E
Minimum
square
footages,
so
in
our
code
we
are
proposing
that
one
and
two
household
uses
have
minimum
square
footage
required
for
one-story
house.
That's
1,400
square
feet.
2
story
is
1600
s,
iron,
sorry,
one
and
a
half
stories,
1600
square
feet
and
two
stories
1,800
square
feet:
those
are
at
or
less
than
the
average
for
the
metro,
excluding
Des
Moines
for
4
square
footages,
so
there
they're
at
or
less
than
average
housing
for
the
metro.
E
Now
that
said,
this
code
also
has
relief
procedures
in
it
that
address
those
square
footages.
So
as
staff,
we
are
able
to
vary
those
square
footages
by
30%
under
this
ordinance
with
a
type
1
design
alternative
and
what
we've
said
is
infill
development
or
development
that
is
already
served
by
all
necessary
public
infrastructure.
We
would
have
greater
latitude
on
that
square
footage
relief.
E
In
greenfield
development.
We
would
be
asking
developers
to
at
a
minimum
be
showing
that
there's
a
mix
of
housing,
sizes
and
housing
types
and
those
developments
in
exchange
for
relief,
2
square
footages,
so
they
may
have
some
that
are
less.
They
may
have
some
that
are
more.
They
may
also
have
varied
housing
product
types.
E
The
if
greater
than
30%
relief
is
requested
to
those
square
footages.
It
requires
a
plan
on
Zoning
Commission
review,
so
there
are
minimums,
but
there's
relief
procedures
available
and
the
pansies
relief
is
ultimately
unlimited
in
what
you
want
to
do
with
those
square
footages
when
Comfort
basements
again
for
one
and
to
store
one
into
household
units.
The
basement
is
proposed
in
this.
E
We
can
reduce
or
waive
staff
can
reduce
or
waive
that
if
there's
a
water
table
issue
or
if
they're,
if
they
can't
provide
sewer
and
an
elevation
equivalent
to
the
basement
floor
elevation
if
for
any
other
reason,
Planning
Commission
can
waive
that
under
this
code,
we
think
it
provides
economical
space
for
growth
within
that
home.
Right
now,
foundations
are
going
down
42
inches
to
frost,
step
footing
the
additional
four
feet
down
to
provide
a
full
depth
basement.
E
The
slab
on
a
slab
construction
becomes
the
basement
floor
and
you're
talking
about
floor
joists
to
span
the
foundation
walls,
so
incremental
costs.
Yes,
but
we
think
it's
an
economical
expansion,
I
guess
much
more
efficient
than
adding
an
addition
to
the
house
at
a
later
time
with
foundation
and
additional
square
footage.
So
we
think
that
this
gives
opportunity
for
people
to
grow
in
place
within
the
existing
home
and
then
also
provide
storm.
Shelter
code
does
require
garages
for
one
and
two
household
units.
E
That
requirement
can
be
waived
by
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission.
It
cannot
be
waived
by
staff.
The
size
that
we
came
up
with
was
based
on
kind
of
post-world
war,
two
construction
sizes
with
some
additional
area
for
storage.
We
do
know
from
our
analysis
of
property
values,
properties
that
that
don't
have
a
garage
are
not
appreciating
at
the
same
same
rate
as
homes
that
do
have
garages
in
our
neighborhoods,
and
so
the
top
of
that
we
also
have
issues
with
inadequate
storage
on
properties.
E
That's
resulting
in
substantial
public
monies
being
spent
on
property
cleanups,
and
it's
it's
attracting
from
the
appearance
of
neighborhoods.
When
thing
items
were
left
outside
because
there's
not
adequate
storage
on
a
property,
and
we
do
know
that
few
are
being
if
they're
not
built
with
the
original
structure.
A
few
few
are
being
built
later
under
construction,
public
participation,
as
I
said
just
referencing
the
state
or
the
analysis
of
direction
report.
We
have
a
steering
committee,
they've
had
17
meetings,
stakeholder
interviews,
there
were
11,
as
I
said.
E
Did
the
project
Direction
report
had
the
public
review
draft
released
2
years
ago?
Again
we
had
all
those
comments
that
came
in.
We
went
through
each
and
every
comment.
Some
were
opposed
in
the
I
mean
diametrically
opposed,
and
so
we
had
to
make
trade-offs
and
balances
and
what
we
presented
to
you
for
for
a
zoning
code.
There
are
nobody,
got
everything
that
they
wanted
in
this
code,
but
I
think
we've
been
fair
and
how
we've
proposed
I
think
amendments
and
revisions
to
this
ordinance.
E
The
public
hearing
draft
was
relieved
it
released
in
May
of
this
year.
We
had
22
additional
stakeholder
meetings
since
that
was
released
in
May.
Those
are
individual
stakeholders
or
group
stakeholders,
Planning
Commission
of
two
workshops
and
you're
having
two
hearings
or
two
nights
of
hearings.
The
council's
had
about
five
workshops
and
we'll
have
three
readings
of
an
ordinance,
including
a
public
hearing
as
well.
So
I,
don't
I
believe
there's
been
significant.
E
Public
participation
in
this
project
and
stakeholders
have
been
at
the
table
from
the
very
beginning
on
this
project
that
was
required
as
part
of
the
process
and
I.
Think
it's
been.
The
result
is
the
document
you
have
in
front
of
you:
counsel,
just
refresher
who's
been
on
council
in
the
last
five
years.
What
we've
been
working
on
this
project
from
the
comp
plan
on
the
screen
steering
committee
same
thing
same
steering
committee
that
has
been
on
for
the
last
five
years.
E
There
were
a
few
changes
with
changes
in
council
members
and
a
few
members
are
no
longer
on
the
committee.
But,
as
you
can
see,
we
had
a
very
broad-ranging
steering
committee
and
it
says
it's
the
same
steering
committee
as
we
had
for
plan
DSM.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
consistency
and
lot
of
understanding
about
what
the
comp
plan
is
is
proposing
and
what
this
code
is
proposing.
E
F
E
First,
comprehensive
development
code:
in
54
years,
the
development
codes
proposed
urban
solutions
to
sustainability
for
des
moines.
Our
planning
efforts
are
supportive
and
are
in
our
coordinated
among
the
city
departments.
The
development
review
processes
in
this
code
are
efficient
relief
mechanisms.
Args
are
provided
in
the
ordinance
to
address
design
standards.
E
It
had
substantial
public
participation
and
the
development
codes
do
promote
social
equity
in
our
opinion,
so
we
have
more
information
again.
Tonight
is
just
the
first
of
two
nights
of
public
hearings
on
this
item.
All
of
this
information
is
available
on
the
plan.
Dsm
website
and
comments
can
continue
to
be
submitted
to
that
website.
That's
how
we're
able
to
document
every
every
email
that's
coming
in
to
us,
so
we
encourage
people
to
submit
any
additional
comments
to
plan
USM
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions
thanks.
A
Questions
at
this
point
all
right,
so
we
will
begin
the
public
hearing
on
this
item.
All
of
those
who
wish
to
speak.
If
you
could
maybe
would
make
your
way
towards
our
podium
and
then
we
need,
if
everyone
could
sign
our
seats,
could
you
hold
it
up?
Where
is
this
sheet
for
people
to
finance
back
there?
Okay,
thank
you
and,
as
you
come
turn
to
podium,
if
you
could
state
your
name
and
address.
A
H
Madam
chair
council,
Commission
members-
excuse
me
my
name
is
Dan
kenapa
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Home
Builders
Association,
which
has
been
in
the
Greater
Des
Moines
community
for
75
years,
I've
been
in
construction
in
around
Des
Moines
since
1994
and
I'm
here,
because
we
67
51
corporate
drive,
Johnston
Iowa
is
our
corporate
headquarters.
Sorry,
we
feel
that
there
are
several
places
where
this
code
definitely
overreaches
things
that
the
city
ordinance
is
to
promote
the
health,
the
safety
and
welfare
of
its
citizens
and
trying
to
mandate
sizes
of
houses
to
raise
property
values.
H
We
don't
see
where
that's
in
the
citizens,
best
interests
or
their
welfare
or
health
and
safety.
We've
had
a
National
Review
by
this
I'm
here
to
introduce
we've
got
speakers
here
from
our
national
association.
This
is
a
very
regressive
code
in
many
ways.
There's
a
lot
of
good
here,
but
I
think
we're
kind
of
going
through
this
pretty
quickly.
Mike
mentioned
the
the
amount
of
public
input.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
public
meetings,
but
a
lot
of
the
input
that
was
given
by
the
industry
and
by
the
public
isn't
in
the
code.
H
We
have
someone
review
the
code
at
our
national
association
that
made
this
comment
and
I'm
reading
it
to
get
it
right
and
30
years
of
reviewing
codes
like
this
across
the
country,
never
seen
anything
as
prescriptive
and
potentially
exclusionary
as
a
requirements
in
article
4.
These
are
the
types
of
things
that
were
here.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
right.
1965,
it's
been
a
long
time
we're
here
to
assume
that
this
code
is
going
to
be
here
for
a
long
time
going
forward.
We
want
to
make
sure
it's
right.
H
H
We
think
that
they're
losing
that
voice,
the
way
that
this
code
is
written,
we
think
there's
there
have
been
a
lot
of
community
outreach
meetings,
but
we
think
there
are
a
lot
of
citizens
that
don't
know
if
there's
a
more
than
50%
catastrophic
event
that
occurs
to
their
house,
that
they
can't
rebuild
it
the
way
that
it
was
initially
built
without
getting
permission
specific
permission,
that's
that's
that
that
seems
unfair.
So
those
are
the
things
that
we
really
want
to
talk
about.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
either.
H
We
are
definitely
focused
on
on
solutions,
and
the
reason
we're
here
today
or
I'm
here
today
is
specifically
specifically
to
ask
this
commission
to
allow
us
to
do
that.
We
presented
those
to
city
staff.
They
mentioned
that
they
would
be
submitted,
but
we're
not
sure
in
what
capacity
and
how
that
works.
H
So
we'd
really
like
to
work
with
them
and
come
up
with
those
solutions
that
way
that
when
the
code
comes,
it's
something
that
we
we
all
can
put
our
arms
around
they've
talked
a
lot
about,
let's
get
it
in
and
then
let's
fix
the
problems
when
we
find
them
well.
If
we
found
problems,
we've
already,
we've
already
noted
them.
Let's,
let's
work
on
them
now
before
it
gets
sent
to
the
council.
H
A
H
H
I
Lance
Henning
serve
as
president
executive
director
of
Greater
Des
Moines
Habitat
for
Humanity.
We
office
at
2200,
East
Euclid
on
their
habitat,
is
here
because
we
do
care
about
Des
Moines
and
we
care
about
its
neighborhoods.
Now
habitat
cares
about
the
hard-working
Des
Moines
residents
and
those
that
want
to
participate
in
the
American
Dream
and
own
a
home
of
their
own.
I
Some
of
Des
Moines,
hard-working
residents,
we've
partnered
with
include
CNAs
certified
nursing
assistants
that
help
take
care
of
maybe
some
of
your
friends
and
family
that
have
unfortunately
had
to
go
to
the
hospital
concrete
flat
worker
that
maybe
paved
the
roads
that
helped
folks
get
to
the
meeting
this
evening.
Call
center
specialists
that
provides
great
customer
service
for
one
of
our
fantastic
businesses
and
in
Des
Moines,
an
administrative
assistant
that
works
for
the
Community
Development
Department
habitat
cares
about
the
cost
of
home.
I
Habitat
is
here
because
this
zoning
code,
as
proposed,
will
negatively,
in
fact
an
impact
to
Point
des
moines
residents,
ability
to
purchase
a
new
home
and
negatively
impact.
The
cost
of
home
zoning
city
regulations
and
city
processes
are
significant
costs
to
creating
housing,
and
this
zoning
adds
significantly
to
housing
costs
and
adds
to
the
process.
It
does
not.
G
I
It
most
efficient
in
all
aspects.
Quality
housing
should
not
be
defined
by
larger
square
footage
and
mandatory
basements
and
required
garages
in
areas
we
are
most
active.
New
Habitat
homes
regularly
are
valued
twice:
the
average
sale
price
of
the
area,
habitat
developments
such
as
the
Birdland
area,
thanks
to
your
guys's
approval
and
a
great
partnership
with
the
city,
the
assessed
value
per
acre,
it's
50%
greater
than
some
of
the
developments
with
larger
homes,
valued
at
300,000,
the
habitat
homes
without
basements.
I
Without
garages
and
not
meeting
the
square
footage
requirement
are
50%
higher
and
valuation
per
acre
than
some
areas
with
2,000
square
foot,
homes,
three-car
garages
and
basements.
Both
smaller
homes
and
larger
homes
can
be
quality
homes
and
the
City
of
Des
Moines
needs.
Both.
It
needs
more
of
all
types
of
housing.
It
needs
a
code
with
certainty
that
encourages
a
variety
of
housing
mixes.
The
proposed
code
does
not
do
that.
I
G
I
City's
housing,
affordability
strategy
and
it's
way
to
create
variety
of
housing,
be
based
on
granting
discretionary
exemption.
Let's
write
it
into
code,
ways
to
incent,
create
variety
of
housing
sizes
in
more
areas
of
the
community
managing
by
a
type
1
exemption
creates
a
huge
black
hole
of
uncertainty.
Type
1
exemption
is
not
a
policy
that
benefits
the
cost
of
home
or
create
certainty
on
what
is
required
over
the
past
five
years,
Habitat
for
Humanity's
created
a
hundred
and
thirty-five
homeownership
opportunities.
114
of
those
were
new
construction.
I
36%
of
those
came
in
front
of
Planning
and
Zoning,
or
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
That
means
64%
were
on
lots
of
record.
They
are
situations
where
we
pulled
the
permit
and
we
built
the
house
under
the
new
zoning.
None
of
those
114
houses
built
in
the
past
five
years
would
meet
the
proposed
zoning.
None
of
those
114
houses
would
have
met
the
type
1
exemption.
I
If
we
need
to
ask
for
an
exemption
for
every
single
building,
permit,
habitat
would
have
to
hire
another
staff
person
to
be
regularly
requesting
the
exemptions
for
the
so-called
Fastpass.
Under
the
zoning
we
don't
ask
for
the
exemptions.
Zoning
will
raise.
Habitat
house
cost
forty
five
to
fifty
five
percent
on
frog,
depending
on
our
house
plan.
That
means
with
no
exemptions.
The
code
would
add.
Seventy
five
thousand
and
ninety
thousand
dollars
per
house
that
habitat
for
Manny's
building.
I
We
believe
there
should
not
be
a
bulk
ordinance
across
the
entire
city,
allow
variable
sizes
and
housing
variety
across
more
parts
of
the
city.
We
request
no
garage
requirement,
we
request
no
basement
requirement
and
we
request
reducing
the
square
footage
requirement
by
at
least
thirty
five
percent.
Let's
unlock
affordability,
let's
increase
the
certainty.
Let's
write
a
code
that
smart
fur
community
has
more
variety
and
a
smart
for
the
cost
of
home.
Seventy-Five
percent
of
Des
Moines
households
should
not
be
priced
out
of
a
choice
to
buy
a
new
home.
I
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Dave
stone
and
I
am
commenting
on
behalf
of
United
Way
of
central
Iowa.
I
am
also
a
Des
Moines
resident
at
12:23
39th
Street
United,
Way
of
Central
Iowa
fights
for
the
health,
education
and
financial
stability
of
all
central
Iowans.
For
over
100
years,
United
Way
has
brought
together
many
diverse
public-private
partners
to
identify
and
tackle
some
of
our
central
Iowa's
toughest
challenges,
focusing
on
issues
such
as
early
childhood
reading,
poverty,
mental
and
social
health,
high
school
graduation
and
career
training.
J
United
Way
of
Central
Iowa
inspires
central
Iowans
to
join
the
fight
to
improve
lives
in
2018
United
Way's
of
Iowa
released
the
asset,
limited
income
constrained
and
employed
report.
The
Alice
report
found
that
33%
of
all
central
Iowans
are
unable
to
meet
a
basic
needs
budget,
meaning
they
cannot
meet
their
current
household
expenses
and
cannot
save
the
recent
house.
J
A
workforce
housing
study
commissioned
by
Capitol
cross
roads
and
conducted
by
Virginia
Tech,
found
that
over
58,000
households
are
currently
cost
burdened
in
our
community,
meaning
they
are
already
struggling
to
meet
mortgages
and
rents
and
have
no
ability
to
save
asset
building
is
one
of
the
key
strategies
to
alleviate
poverty
in
our
community.
The
inability
of
families
to
save
or
afford
current
rents
or
mortgages
hampers
efforts
to
help
families
thrive
in
this
city.
J
To
address
this
issue
and
to
meet
the
expected
population
growth
in
Polk
County,
we
will
need
an
additional
57,000
170
units
by
2038
of
these
new
units,
more
than
half
will
need
to
be
less
than
175
thousand
dollars.
This
is
because
expected
growth
over
62%
of
expected
growth
will
be
among
families
who
make
less
than
$50,000
per
year
in
household
income.
J
62%
will
make
less
than
$50,000.
Regarding
these
proposed
proposed
zoning
code
changes.
We
appreciate
the
focus
on
encouraging
mixed-use
neighborhoods,
on
increasing
development
of
both
single
and
multi
family
units
along
the
area
of
the
city's
transportation
nodes.
Many
of
the
families
that
we
serve
have
significant
transportation
barriers.
This
new
approach
will
help
families
maintain
and
secure
quality
employment,
utilize
necessary
public
services
because
of
the
public
transportation
options
that
are
more
accessible
to
them.
We.
F
J
United
Way,
however,
do
have
serious
concerns
about
the
specific
restrictions
on
building
designs
for
both
single
and
multi-family
homes.
These
restrictions
will
place
unnecessary
barriers
in
front
of
those
who
need
affordable
housing
options
and
will
make
home
ownership
an
unrealistic
path
out
of
poverty
for
many
in
our
community.
It
is
also
a
disincentive
for
developers
and
home
builders
to
build
affordable
housing
inventory
that
is
desperately
needed
to
meet
current
demands
and
future
demands
in
our
community.
J
If
we
value
the
health
safety
and
welfare
of
our
residents,
then
we
need
to
consider
ways
to
create
a
more
equitable
system.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
with
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission,
as
well
as
other
stakeholders,
as
this
proposed
change
goes
forward
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
my
comments
with
the
committee
in
written
form.
Thank
you
very.
A
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michael
Wilson
and
I'm
president
and
CEO
the
Federal
Home
Loan
Bank
of
Des
Moines,
were
located
at
909
Locust
Street
in
downtown.
We
employ
about
330
people
here
in
Des,
Moines
and
I'm.
Also
a
board
member
of
greater
Des
Moines
Habitat
for
Humanity
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
a
few
brief
comments
under
proposed
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
I
recognize
the
challenges
Des
Moines
faces
and
the
efforts
of
city
staff
to
amend
the
zoning
provisions
and
satisfy
various
constituents.
K
There
are
positive
changes
proposed,
such
as
expanding
approval
or
expediting
approval,
a
multi-family
rental
housing
along
certain
public
transportation
corridors,
so
I
applaud
the
city
staff
for
those
improvements.
On
the
other
hand,
proposals
to
increase
minimum
square
footage
requirements
and
required
garages
and
full
basements
will
have
a
chilling
effect
on
the
construction
of
affordable
workforce
housing
in
Des
Moines.
K
This
has
especially
worrisome
in
light
of
a
recently
concluded,
Capitol
crossroads
housing
study
that
estimates
as
you've
just
heard
that
Central
Iowa
will
need
an
excess
of
fifty
thousand
affordable
housing
units
to
meet
unmet
housing
needs
over
the
next
couple
of
decades.
Housing
affordability
is
already
constrained
in
Des
Moines,
with
many
families
paying
in
excess
of
50
percent
of
their
income
for
housing
and
having
to
avail
themselves
of
local
food
pantries
for
sustenance.
The
proposed
changes
to
the
zoning
ordinances
will
make
a
bad
situation
even
worse.
K
My
suggestion
is
to
ask
for
a
thorough
impact
study
of
the
proposed
zoning
law
changes
on
housing,
affordability
taken
in
consideration
of
Capitol
crossroads
study.
In
addition,
I
recommend
that
written
exceptions
to
the
zoning
provisions
be
included
in
the
code
for
affordable
housing
developers
need
certainty
to
make
business
decisions.
I
recognize
that
people
have
been
working
for
a
long
time
on
these
changes,
but
it
is
important
that
the
changes
that
are
made
are
the
right
ones
for
all
members
of
the
community.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Karl
Eckhart
I'm,
with
the
National
Association
of
Homebuilders
addresses
1201
15th,
Street,
Northwest
Washington
DC.
Now
don't
hold
the
DC
against
me,
I'm
from
Mason
City
Iowa.
So
a
little
bit
of
a
native
I'm
here
with
National
Association
of
Homebuilders,
and
we
have
our
membership,
is
the
home
builder
that
you
may
think
of,
but
also
the
carpenter
and
the
electrician.
L
The
banker,
the
florist,
everything
that
goes
into
a
homers
28
trades
that
go
into
building
a
home,
but
I'm
also
here,
because
I'm
embarrassed,
I'm
I'm
from
Mason,
City,
Iowa
and
I
want
to
tell
you
a
little
story.
I.
This
issue
first
came
to
me
last
year
when
I
got
a
call
from
a
home
builder
in
Springdale
Arkansas
and
he
said:
hey,
my
town
is
trying
to
ban
vinyl
siding
I
said:
why
are
they
trying
to
ban
vinyl
siding?
He
said?
Well,
they
want
to
keep
those
people
from
buying
houses,
Mazzetti.
F
L
F
L
Than
two
good
ideas
out
of
34
pages
now,
I'm
sure
all
of
you
live
in
brick,
homes
with
attached
garages
and
they're
1,800
square
feet
in
size.
So
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
it,
but
there's
lot
of
people
out
here
a
lot
of
people
in
your
town
that
don't
and
they
can't
afford
it
and
not
to
get
into
a
math
debate,
but
the
average
price
per
square
foot
of
an
existing
home
if
I
was
gonna
go
buy
one
in
Des
Moines
was
175
feet,
$175
per
square
foot.
So
that's
a
760
square
foot
home.
L
If
I'm
going
to
pay
one
hundred
and
thirty
three
thousand
dollars,
maybe
we
can
go
back
and
forth
and
all
what
is
affordable
what's
not
affordable,
but
what
you're
doing
will
add
cost
to
the
price
of
a
home.
That's
a
fact!
You
cannot
disagree
with
that.
If
you
add
a
thousand
dollars
to
the
cost
of
a
new
home,
one
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
Americans
decide
not
to
buy
a
new
home.
Two
thousand
Iowans
will
decide
not
to
buy
or
build
a
new
home.
If
you
build
a
new
home,
you
create
one
permanent
new
job.
L
In
your
community
and
while
you're
building
it
you're
employing
people
in
all
28
of
those
trades.
If
you
take
away
a
hundred
Habitat
homes
and
60,
affordable
housing,
homes
and
all
the
other
potential
new
homes,
that's
a
lot
of
jobs
that
are
gonna
leave
and,
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
think
companies
want
to
come
into
a
town
that
doesn't
provide
housing,
affordability,
that's
gonna,
be
something
you're
gonna
have
to
try
and
sell
and
say
well
we'd
love
to
have
you
here,
but
houses
costs
for
a
thousand
dollars
so
well,
what
do
you
do?
Subsidize?
L
Every
new
company
I
mean
you
got
to
think
about
the
future
thing,
your
next
50
years,
because
what
you
lay
down
here
will
now
be
edited
for
50
years
based
on
the
past
track
records.
So
we
just
encourage
you
to
think
about
the
consumers
think
about
the
taxpayers.
Think
about
the
businesses.
Think
about
the
actual
those
who
will
be
damaged
by
these
ideas
and
I
applaud
you
for
doing
this.
I
applaud
you
from
the
public
hearings.
It's
not
easy
to
hear
all
this.
L
N
M
N
It
seems
to
me
it's
been
stretched
beyond
reason:
I
I'm
stood
there
thinking,
what's
not
included,
what's
not
included
in
this
definition
of
Zoning,
and
that
ties
into
this
phrase
that
I
use
when
I
describe
when
I
sit
down
with
legislators
or
lobbyists,
or
anyone
working
on
this
kind
of
issue
I
either
own
the
home
right,
don't
own
the
home,
I,
don't
own
the
home
together
with
the
city,
I,
don't
own
it
with
the
town
with
the
county.
I
pay,
the
bills,
I
fix
it
when
it's
broken.
N
If
the
house
falls
into
disrepair
and
I
can't
pay
the
bills
they
come
and
take
my
house,
the
county
doesn't
step
in
the
city,
doesn't
step
in
to
help
me
cover
those
costs
or
help
me
fix.
The
house
and
I
mean
I,
just
find
it
difficult
to
to
conceptualize
how
we've
gotten
here,
the
American
dream
is
to
own
a
home
and
this
kind
of
regulation.
N
This
kind
of
ordinance
is
going
to
make
it
impossible
for
people
to
purchase
homes,
model
sightings,
a
safe
and
durable
product,
it's
instrumental
to
the
Iowan
economy
and
it's
vital
to
the
growing
housing
needs
of
the
state
of
Iowa.
Economically,
it
represents
over
50
million
dollars
from
stem
to
stern
in
this
state.
That's
not
just
people
that
work
in
the
industry.
That's
people
that
purchase
the
product,
that's
resin
manufacturers.
N
That's
stem
to
stern,
that's
a
huge
economic
impact
in
the
state
unless,
across
the
entire
state,
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
told
leading
up
to
today's
hearing
was
that
one
of
the
concerns
was
the
environmental
impact
of
vinyl
siding.
There's
this
misconception
that,
because
it's
a
plastic,
it's
a
polyurethane
that
it's
bad
for
the
environment
and
that's
just
a
misconception.
According
to
a
study
in
2016
by
the
sustainability
solutions,
corporation
vinyl
siding
was
the
second
most
environmentally
friend
the
cladding
material
on
the
market.
N
That
study
took
into
consideration
a
number
of
factors,
but
some
of
the
most
important
factors
were
global
warming,
fossil
fuel
depletion,
smog,
acidification,
ozone
depletion,
respiratory
effects
and
cumulative
energy
demands.
Vinyl
siding
came
in
only
behind
cedar
siding
and
it
came
in
a
head
of
stucco
Eve's
fiber
cement,
brick
masonry
I
mean
if
we're
gonna
be
objective
about
it.
We
have
to
be
objective
about
it
by
allowing
jurisdictions
to
select
winners
and
losers.
N
The
county
has
imposed
the
city's
imposing
arbitrary
restrictions
and
those
arbitrary
restrictions
are
capricious
in
nature
and
they
are
affecting
people
across
the
economic
spectrum.
We
would
respectfully
request
that
the
count
of
the
city
that
the
board
consider
any
amendments
proposed
by
the
home
builders
and
that,
if
they're
not
willing
to
dispose
of
the
matter
by
rejecting
the
ordinance
as
its
proposed,
they
would
hopefully
consider
the
amendments
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
This
evening.
O
I'm
Ashley
asked
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Hubbell
Realty
company.
We
are
at
6,900
West
Towne
Parkway
in
West,
Des
Moines,
but
we
own
several
properties
around
the
Des
Moines
area
and
I
am
also
a
Des
Moines
resident.
We
understand
and
fully
support
the
need
to
change
this
code.
We
appreciate
the
amount
of
time
and
effort
the
city
staff
has
put
into
this
draft.
O
However,
additional
input
is
necessary
and
additional
changes
are
required,
and
that
is
why
our
primary
ask
is,
to
have
more
time
more
time
to
make
changes
and
encourage
affordable
housing
more
time
to
promote
business,
to
boost
economic
development
and
generate
greater
tax
revenue
for
the
city.
There
is
a
reason
the
code
has
not
been
changed
for
50
years.
It
is
not
an
easy
process.
O
Prematurely
implementing
a
code
that
has
not
been
properly
reviewed
and
tested
could
have
a
drastic
and
negative
consequence
on
the
city.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
the
city
and
the
developers,
engineers,
architects
and
builders,
to
promote
our
city,
generate
interests
and
create
excitement
to
live
work
and
play
here.
So
I
am
asking
for
more
time
to
help
out
with
the
city
code
and
create
a
better
public-private
partnership
and
getting
this
code
drafted
if
we
do
not
have
more
time
and
we're
gonna
slam.
O
This
through
I
have
five
things
that
we
have
to
have
change
from
a
developer
builder
and
a
generator
of
properties
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
First
Planned
Unit
development
needs
to
be
back
in
this
code.
It
is,
it
is
a
mechanism
in
a
form-based
code
to
create
unique
and
diverse
projects
and
buildings.
The
city
of
Des
Moines
has
many
unique
and
diverse
buildings
and
that's
what
the
PUD
process
will
continue
to
allow.
O
The
second
item
is
to
modify
at
the
square
foot
minimum
four
houses.
The
square
foot
minimum
for
residential
homes
needs
to
be
treated
differently
between
greenfield
lots
and
in
nephila
Lots,
the
Greenfield
BOTS.
We
would
like
to
see
1200
square
feet:
minimum
for
ranch-style
and
1,400
square
feet,
minimum
for
two
storeys,
the
infill
Lots.
We
would
like
to
see
the
neighborhood
dictate
what
those
Lots
are.
O
If
we
have
a
neighborhood
full
of
bungalows
that
are
700
square
feet,
the
property,
the
infill
property,
should
match
that
number
3
modify
the
garage
and
basement
requirements
for
homes,
modify
it
to
a
garage
or
basement
requirement
in
the
Greenfield
Lots,
the
infill
Lots.
We
should
take
out
this
requirement.
It
should
match
the
neighborhood
that
it's
going
into.
O
The
fourth
item
is
the
restrictions
on
external
materials.
The
zoning
code
substantially
restricts
the
external
materials
that
can
be
used
on
commercial
buildings
and
on
houses.
We
understand
the
city
wants
to
increase
the
standards
for
the
city
compliance.
It
will
be
vital
to
ensure
that
the
materials
included
and
eliminated
in
this
draft
meet
this
intent,
while
clearly
understanding
the
cost-benefit
relationship
from
the
user's
perspective.
O
O
The
purpose
of
the
type
1
and
type
2
design
alternatives
is
to
speed
up
the
process
by
allowing
people
to
get
through
the
type
1
process.
Every
owner
should
still
have
access
to
that
type
to
approval
process.
Overall,
our
task
is
not
unreasonable
and
with
more
time
the
development
community,
builders,
architects
and
engineers
can
help
make
this
zoning
code
successful.
I.
Think.
P
Good
evening,
and
thanks
for
taking
my
comments,
my
name
is
barb.
Global
and
I
live
at
4003
Lincoln
place
Drive
in
Des,
Moines
and
I
am
a
member
of
Amos,
which
is
a
nonprofit
organization
that
consists
of
many
institutions,
most
of
which
are
churches,
but
we
also
have
community
groups
and
nonprofits,
and
there
are
about
35
institutions
in
the
metropolitan
area
of
Des
Moines,
and
about
a
year
ago
we
conducted
in
Des
Moines.
P
We
conducted
what
we
call
House
meetings,
which
are
small
group
meetings,
six
to
ten
people
with
members
of
our
various
institutions
to
kind
of
take
a
pulse
of
what
what's
on
people's
minds,
what
keeps
them
up
at
night.
What
issues
are
they
facing
that
are
troubling
and
one
that
bubbled
to
the
top
was
affordable,
housing,
both
purchase
and
rent?
So
as
a
result,
we
formed
a
research
group,
a
few
months
back
I'm
part
of
that
group,
a
research
group
on
affordable
housing,
and
so
my
question
had
to
do
with.
P
How
does
the
new
code
address,
affordable,
housing
and
I
know?
There
was
a
slide
called
how
the
code
supports,
affordable
housing.
I
was
in
the
back
I.
Couldn't
really
see
it
and
I
could
not
hear
all
of
Mike's
comments,
so
I
look
at
that.
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
it
is
available
online.
Is
that
true
on
the
plan
dsm-ii
that.
A
Q
Good
evening
I
appreciate
being
able
to
make
comments
to
the
Commission.
My
name
is
Carolyn
Yulin,
hey
Quokka,
excuse
me,
I'm,
sorry,
I
live
at
40,
111,
Ingersoll,
drasil,
Avenue
and
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
the
Des
Moines
citizens,
Task
Force
on
sustainability.
I
am
here
tonight
to
ask
the
question:
is
this
zoning
code
written
with
a
vision
for
the
future?
The
previous
one
lasted
for
over
50
years
here
in
Des
Moines,
all
over
Iowa,
all
over
the
United
States
and
all
over
our
planet?
We
see
continual
worsening
of
heat,
drought,
extreme
storms
and
etc.
Q
I
think
it's
really
important
to
be
visionary
as
a
commission
and
looking
at
the
code
in
the
sense
of,
and
you
are
in
the
sense
of
looking
at
mixed-use,
neighborhoods
and
bikeability
and
walkability
you're
looking
at
affordable
housing
and
really
when
you
get
down
to
it,
the
smaller
the
homes,
the
less
carbon
footprint
also
you're,
looking
at
in
the
code,
installation
of
solar,
it's
much
easier,
you're
looking
at
electric
vehicles
and
how
to
have
charging
stations
all
over
Des
Moines
I
appreciate
all
that.
But
I
would
also
like
to
bring
up
another
issue.
Q
Q
It
is
so
important
to
allow
urban
agriculture
to
be
permitted
in
the
city
limits
and
here
I'm
speaking
of
not
only
community
gardens,
because
we
have
fantastic
community
gardens,
I'm
speaking
about
small
farms
between
one
acre
10
acres,
probably
the
most
20
acres
that
that's
pretty
large,
but
anyway
urban
farms
in
cities
are
springing
up
all
over
our
country.
In
many
cities.
Q
Q
R
Good
evening
I'm
Lance
Hansen
I'm,
the
incoming
president
for
the
Des
Moines
area,
Association
of
Realtors
and
I,
wanted
to
take
a
moment
just
to
go
over
a
couple
of
things.
I
think
maybe
are
being
misunderstood
at
this
point.
One
of
those
is
the
discussion
of
inventory
and
the
availability
that's
out
there.
I
want
to
put
that
in
perspective,
for
you
across
the
whole
metro
suburbs
and
all
the
inventory
that's
available
at
$200,000
are
less
is
less
than
two
months
worth
of
inventory
on
our
market
right
now.
R
So
I
want
you
to
know
the
numbers
of
houses
that
are
available
right
now.
That's
what
it's
fuelie
is
less
than
two
months
of
of
turnover
of
inventory,
so
don't
be
fooled
by
how
many
houses
are
available
at
in
a
certain
area.
The
reality
is
that
there
is
not
even
close
to
enough
housing.
That's
at
that
level.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
that
affordability
is
a
fueled
by
availability,
the
less
you
have,
the
higher
the
prices
go,
the
less
affordable.
That
is,
we
need
to
have
an
awareness
of
that.
R
It
is
going
on
now
across
the
Metro
across
every
area
that
we're
in
one
of
the
things
that
you
should
take
note
of,
is
that
there
are
multiple
developments
that
are
going
on
now
outside
of
the
Des
Moines
area,
that
not
one
single
house
and
those
developments
would
pass
this
new
code,
not
one.
They
would
all
be
disallowed
based
on
the
code
that
we're
talking
about
with
size
requirements,
the
exterior
requirements,
the
basement,
the
garage,
those
things
we
are
saying.
R
We
want
people
to
move
to
the
other
cities
for
affordability,
I,
don't
think
that's
the
intent
here.
The
other
thing
it
did
want
to
bring
up
is
there
was
kind
of
a
dismissal
of
the
number
of
males
received
by
realtors
or
from
realtors,
because
they
were
all
the
same
email.
That
email
was
developed
specifically
to
be
sent
to
you,
and
it
was
done
so
with
a
large
group
of
agents
who
have
concerns
and
who
I
stand
here
representing
tonight.
R
They
know
firsthand
what
affordability
is
about,
because
every
day
they
are
out
on
the
streets
looking
for
homes,
looking
for
affordability,
for
people
who
need
to
live
in
this
community,
it's
important
that
you
understand
that
listen.
The
choices
right
now
that
are
being
made
in
this
proposal
would
eliminate
a
large
number
of
homes,
a
large
amount
of
affordability.
That's
that
can
be
available
in
this
community
and
is
not
at
this
point
and
I
want
to
just
add
one.
One.
R
Little
piece
of
information
is
right
now,
where
you're
talking
about
affordability
at
three
three
and
a
half
and
four
percent
interest
rates,
trust
me
after
being
in
this
business
for
over
thirty
years,
that
is
not
sustainable.
We
will
go
to
for
for
to
have
five,
maybe
even
six
percent
and
affordability
will
drop
like
a
rock
make
sure
you
factor
in
the
future,
because
we're
talking
about
rates
today
and
they
won't
stay
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
S
F
S
Materials
for
the
last
25,
the
this
zoning
ordinance,
far
exceeds
zoning
and
essentially
tries
to
supersede
the
building
code.
If
you
take
the
and
there's
been
several
comments
that
the
ordinance
hasn't
been
reviewed
in
the
last
sixty
five
years.
Well,
that's
not
entirely
true
around
the
2015
Building
Code
edition
we're
on
the
2017
electrical
code
edition
both
of
those
have
been
adopted
by
the
City
Council.
S
Plenty
of
other
people
have
addressed
the
square
footage
requirements
which
I
also
oppose
so
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that.
But
as
far
as
the
there's
roughly
five
pages
in
this
code
that
redefined
wood,
what
building
materials
are
and
how
are
they
are
used?
They're,
poorly
defined,
they're,
headed
towards
litigation.
S
Should
this
move
forward,
who
can
define
what
a
standing
seam
roof
is
and
one
one
three
board
phrase
the
so
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
the
entire
paragraph
allowed
facade
materials
on
allowed
facade
materials,
be
stricken
and
restored
back
to
the
documents
that
do
have
real
code
counsel,
the
UBC,
the
International
residential
code
and
so
forth,
the
the
materials
that
are
banned?
You
know
a
good
example.
Is
the
rib
steel
roof?
It's
an
Energy.
S
S
A
T
T
Was
a
very
long
time
ago,
I
you
a
lot
of
realtors
in
Des,
Moines
and
and
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
what
the
city
has
done.
This
is
a
very
hard
thing
that
they're
trying
to
do
it
needs
to
be
done,
but
the
biggest
problem
that
you've
heard
over
and
over
again
is
affordability.
So
please
keep
that
in
mind
as
you're
going
through
this
process,
I
like
to
give
you
a
couple
of
real-world
examples
that
will
negate
some
of
the
arguments
that
the
city
has
made
for
these
minimum
square
footages.
T
So
there's
a
house.
This
is
a
West
Des
Moines
house.
The
address
is
2301
Park
Drive.
The
square
footage
of
that
house
is
640
square
foot.
It's
a
split-level
house
doesn't
have
a
basement.
I
lived
in
that
house
for
10
years.
That
house
is
assessed
at
two
hundred
and
three
thousand
perfectly
good
house
that
is
well
under
what
these
square
footage
requirements
and
above
what
the
assessment
requirements
are.
There's
a
house
at
five:
zero,
zero,
nine
Tonawanda
Lane
in
West,
Des
Moines.
That
house
is
1,200
square
foot.
It
is
a
2-story.
T
It
has
no
attached
garage.
It
has
a
detached
garage
that
the
homeowners
were
able
to
put
on
at
a
later
time
when
they
could
afford
it.
They
put
it
on
when
they
needed
it.
They
put
it
on
that
house
has
increased
in
assessment
in
value
the
last
three
assessment
periods
by
twenty
four
percent
and
that
house
is
assessed
at
around
a
hundred
ninety
thousand.
T
So
those
are
two
real-world
examples
that
you
can
see
and
those
are
in
West
Des
Moines
that
that
fly
in
the
face
of
the
argument
that
we
need
garages
and
we
need
basements,
those
things
add
tremendous
costs.
So
if
we're
trying
to
keep
cost
down,
you've
got
to
let
the
developer
and
the
buyer
decide
what
they
want
and
I
would
ask
that
you
be
forward-thinking
and
think
about
these
small
houses.
T
The
way
we
solve
affordable
housing
is
by
decrease
in
increasing
density
and
decreasing
the
size
of
the
house,
and
people
are
willing
to
live
in
these
smaller
houses.
It's
more
sustainable.
It's
a
it's
a
different
world
that
we're
living
in
today,
so
I
would
I
would
encourage
you
to
have
no
minimum
square
footage
requirements,
because
I
I
would
guess
that
there
is
not
one
example
that
anyone
could
show
me
of
any
new
house.
That's
been
built
anywhere
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
that
detracted
from
a
neighboring
house.
T
U
Good
evening
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
my
name
is
Joshua
v-bar
I
am
the
director
of
the
Des
Moines
Silla
Human,
Rights,
Commission
and
I
am
just
here
today
to
report
on
a
meeting
that
we
had
in
this
room
on
July
9
at
3:00
p.m.
it
was
a
meeting
about.
It
was
a
dialogue.
Excuse
me
on
the
proposed
zoning
Court
and
questions
on
affordable
housing.
We
had
about
40
persons
and
attendants
I
saw
some
of
those
some
of
those
persons
on
TV
on
YouTube
and
actually
spoke
tonight.
U
Some
of
them
are
also
in
attendance
that
was
comprised
of
city
employees
that
was
comprised
of
home
ink.
That
was
also
Habitat
for
Humanity,
a
Greater
Des
Moines
partnership,
the
city
manager
was
there.
D-Mac
was
also
there
and
it
was
just
a
discussion
on
questions
of
affordable
housing.
I
was
the
facilitator
of
that
dialogue
and
we
all
sat
in
a
circle
right
here
in
this
room.
Pushing
the
tables
to
the
back.
I
am
gonna,
submit
this
to
be
received
and
filed.
U
These
questions
that
were
asked
and
answered
during
the
course
of
the
discussion
and
I
am
NOT.
Gonna
go
through
all
those
I
think
you
all
have
been
bombarded
enough
and
I
know
you
want
to
go
home.
I
am
just
want
to
point
out
a
few
things
that
were
mentioned
during
the
discussion.
Then
I
will
sit
down.
I
think
I
got
enough
copies
for
everybody.
If
there's
not
I
still
have
one
more
right
here.
U
So
the
biggest
thing
was
there
appeared
to
be
some
confusion
amongst
our
respective
affordable
housing
builders,
as
well
as
other
developers
who
were
also
in
attendance
and
effect
of
the
code
on
affordable
housing,
and
then
the
question
then
turned
into
a
question
of
housing,
affordability
versus
affordable
housing
and
how
those
are
a
number
of
different
things
that
can
be
addressed.
So
I
am
just
gonna
point
out
a
few
things
once
again:
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
entire
question.
U
But
one
of
the
very
last
thing
on
the
last
page,
the
last
full
page,
is
a
question.
Jay
and
question
was:
why
is
the
zoning
code
driving
property
evaluation?
I
thought?
That
was
a
very
good
question
and
the
this
is
the
answer
from
the
city
that
came
for
father
said
plan.
Dsm
is
a
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city
in
direct
ty
of
the
code
is
to
increase
tax
base
and
valuation
of
properties.
U
U
Another
myriad
of
ways
to
address
it,
including
the
creating
more
inclusionary
zoning,
which
is
also
in
here
that
was
discussed
in
this
discussion,
the
incentives
we
provide
to
have
inclusionary
zoning
in
a
certain
percentage
of
housing
for
affordable
housing,
the
number
of
housing
stock
that
is
presently
available,
so
it
does.
According
to
the
discussion,
it
was
a
discussion
on.
Does
this
take
away,
affordable
housing?
One
of
the
responses
was
that
it
does
not
because
they're
still
rental
but
there's
also
available
housing
stock,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
there
still
seems
to
be.
U
We
didn't
come
to
a
solution
at
this
discussion.
We
came
just
to
kind
of
have
people
sit
on
a
on
a
on
a
ground
level
build
a
foundation
of
where
the
city's
coming
from
and
where
respective
affordable
housing
advocates
are
coming
from.
Polk
County,
Housing,
Trust
Fund
was
also
present,
so
I
will
leave
this
with
you.
I
will
not
take
up
the
time
to
go
through.
U
This
is
fairly
long,
but
I
do
think
it's
worth
to
read
to
understand
what
are
some
of
the
questions
that
were
asked
from
the
community
submitted
questions
prior
to,
as
well
as
some
things
were
discussed
in
the
midst
of
this
I
would
say
that
there
are
still
some
concerns
from
the
community
we
received
calls
today
from
our
office.
My
role
was
not
never
to
get
involved
in
this.
I've
I've
only
met
some
of
y'all
individual
basis,
but
never
a
whole
board,
but
the
community
reached
out
to
us
and
they
continue
to
call
us.
U
A
M
Brief
because
I'm
sure
you're
anxious,
my
name
is
Carrie
Ramsey
I'm
at
seven
zero,
zero,
eight
Madison
Avenue
in
Urbandale
I
represent
a
building
a
builder
and
a
developer.
I
also
represent
49
employees.
I
also
represent
six
hundred
and
sixteen
subcontractors
and
their
employees
I'm
asking
you
to
think
about
the
people
of
our
community
who
were
hiring
our
electricians,
our
plumbers,
our
nurses,
our
teachers,
those
people
that
we're
providing
housing
for,
and
we
really
appreciate
the
city's
input.
We
appreciate
your
input.
The
council's
we're
excited.
M
A
E
A
A
T
A
Item
number
seven
in
our
public
hearing
tonight
is
a
request
from
Hubbell
Realty
for
property
located
at
4500
Hubbell
Avenue.
The
question
is
the
determination
whether
the
PD
conceptual
amendment
is
conformance
with
the
plan
des
moines
creating
or
tomorrow
the
end.
The
amending
plan
des
moines
to
revise
the
existing
future
land
use
designation
from
Business
Park
to
low-density,
residential
and
C,
to
review
and
approve
of
approval
of
a
seventh
amendment
to
the
Baker
PUD
conceptual
plan
to
allow
development
of
19.9
eight
acres
of
agricultural
land
for
a
single-family
residential
subdivision.
B
B
Identifying
the
subject
property
on
the
kind
of
the
north
side
of
Hubbell
Avenue,
northeast
quadrant,
part
of
the
city
you
see,
the
hashed
area
is
the
entire
boundary
of
the
PUD,
the
applicants
property.
The
part
of
the
amendment
really
is
focused
on
this
undeveloped
part
of
the
Baker
PUD.
The
balance
to
the
northeast
is
apartments
and
then
some
land
that
was
has
been
approved
for
attached,
single-family
housing
or
townhome
type
development,
I
D.
As
a
chair
noted
and
reading
the
description,
this
PUD
was
first
approved
in
the
late
90s.
The
original
thought
was
light.
B
Industrial
kind
of
Business
Park
development
has
been
amended
a
few
times
allowed.
The
northern
the
excuse
me,
the
eastern
half
came
through
this
process
was
amended
and
allowed
to
do
medium
density
residential,
so
that
left
the
part
that
we're
speaking
to
towards
tonight
as
the
business
park
raining
in
place
to
allow
that
to
be
developed.
So
the
applicant
has
come
forward
with
a
proposal
to
amend
that
allow
a
single-family
development.
B
B
So
this
is
the
proposed
conceptual
plan
showing
lot
lay
out
kind
of
an
internal
loop
configuration
for
the
road
with
single
access
to
help
laven
you
public
streets
also
a
secondary
means
of
egress
to
the
apartment,
complex
for
fire
access
that
emergency
type
purposes.
As
I'd
mentioned,
this
is
a
single-family
project.
The
proposal
does
include
these
character.
Elevations
there
isn't.
B
There
is
some
specific
language
to
minimum
sizes
of
the
units,
but
there
beyond
that,
there
isn't
any
architectural
character
standards
that
we've
seen
in
some
other
peds
that
we
often
will
visit
with
you
about
a
staff
we've.
You
know
our
job
is
to
look
at
the
comprehensive
plan
and
make
a
recommendation
to
you.
B
This
is
a
comprehensive
plan
amendment
in
order
for
this
project
to
move
forward,
and
so
not
only
do
we,
you
know,
look
at
the
map,
the
land-use
map,
but
we
also
look
at
the
goals
of
the
comprehensive
plan
they're
written
throughout
the
report
throughout
the
document
and
base
our
recommendations
to
you
on
those.
In
this
case
this
is
a
transit
route,
a
high
traffic
corridor.
B
If
we
were
going
through
a
planning
exercise
with
you,
that
was
independent
of
a
proposal
for
this
area,
we'd
be
looking
at
medium
density,
low,
medium
density,
type,
housing
or
commercial
uses
and
those
types
of
things.
So
this
certainly
is
a
request
that,
from
our
perspective,
is
not
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan,
as
we've
talked
a
lot
tonight
and
other
meetings
to
put
density,
more
intense
uses
on
our
transit
corridors,
promote
walkability,
transit
usage
density,
urban
development,
that's
what
we're
trying
to
promote
and
the
fam
DSM.
W
B
Meet
with
applicant,
we
appreciate
the
time
they
spend
with
us
to
share
ideas,
but
ultimately,
we
weren't
able
to
come
to
any
sort
of
agreement.
There's
some
stuff
in
the
staff
report
where
we
talk
about
the
possibility
of
you
know
doing
row,
homes
on
the
on
the
project,
some
sort
of
mix
of
middle
housing
for
unit
development,
a
unit
compliment
buildings,
but
ultimately
we
weren't
able
to
like
I
said,
come
to
any
conclusion
of
agreement.
So
that's
the
staff
recommendation
happy
answering
questions
Hubbell.
B
A
Y
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Joe
Petros
insky
I
am
senior
vice
president
of
public
realty
company,
located
at
6,900
West
Elm
Parkway
in
West
Des
Moines
with
me
tonight
is
my
colleague
Bonin
camp.
If
many
of
you
maybe
have
met
Eric
during
the
PUD
process
for
gray
station,
he
was
instrumental
in
all
the
background,
work
that
went
into
that
project
and
all
the
nice
things
that
are
happening
there
today.
Y
Also
with
me,
is
the
property
owner
Greg
Baker,
before
we
begin
I
want
to
talk
about
this
project
in
context
of
a
history
for
the
area.
If
you
look
at
the
map
in
front
of
you,
you'll
see
that
the
corridor
is
full
of
multifamily
development
about
ten
years
ago,
eight
to
ten
years
ago,
as
we
were
developing
this
corridor,
we
worked
for
as
a
consultant
for
the
for
animal.
B
Y
On
the
corridor,
we
built
our
own
development
at
Broadway,
Business,
Park,
multifamily
development.
The
area
has
a
lot
of
multifamily
and
we've
developed
in
accordance
with
the
market
for
multifamily,
but
what
we
were
hearing
from
the
Board
of
Supervisors,
mr.
Hawkin,
Smith,
mrs.
Connolly
and
and
others
on
our
representatives
from
the
Board
of
Supervisors,
was
we're
getting
concerned
that,
along
this
whole
corridor,
that
you
don't
have
enough
diverse
housing.
Y
You
don't
have
an
opportunity
for
someone
to
move
out
of
the
rental
housing
into
housing
that
allow
them
to
set
roots
in
Des
Moines
and
stay
here,
something
that
could
support
a
family
well,
a
little
more
square
footage.
Different
options
for
growing
needs,
different
options
for
diverse
people
that
live
in
this
area
and
they
also
came
to
Hubbell
Realty
company
other
leaders
in
the
community.
Y
You
heard
many
of
them
speak
today
and
said
we
want
to
see
a
mix
of
uses
for
the
demographic
and
not
something
that
just
isolates
to
a
certain
income,
demographic
meaning
only
people
who
can
rent
or
for
a
high-density
living
condition.
So
with
that
challenge
in
front
of
us,
we
and
with
the
success
of
our
Summers
field,
development
or
single-family
development
located
just
southeast
of
this
location.
Y
Y
If
you
look
at
the
PUD
and
it's
full
context,
not
just
the
area
under
consideration,
it
provides
for
a
diverse
range
of
housing
to
the
to
the
north
and
east.
It
allows
for
the
apartment
style
living,
there's
more
capacity
to
build
more
housing
in
that
area.
It
allows
for
townhomes
to
the
to
the
north
and
east,
but
what
it
doesn't
have
is
that
that
other
tier
of
housing
single-family
that's
more
in
the
affordable
range
for
workforce
families.
Y
When
we're
looking
at
the
Des
Moines
area,
we're
not
just
looking
we're,
not
just
looking
at
it
as
a
development
solution
for
Hubbell
Realty
company,
we're
looking
at
it
as
a
solution
for
our
buyers
and
who
are
the
buyers
that
are
buying
single-family
housing
in
this
area
of
your
community.
We
know
from
our
experience
of
developing
in
Riverwoods,
we
know
from
developing
in
summers
field
and
from
speaking
with
the
realtor's
in
the
area
that
this
is
a
very
diverse
area,
something
we're
proud
of
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
Y
We
have
a
lot
of
families
in
this
area
that
buy
homes
that
are
Nepalese,
Taiwanese,
Somalian,
Hispanic,
Indian,
African,
American,
Caucasian
and
a
blend
of
different
backgrounds
and
people
that
live
here,
and
it
says
in
our
Des
Moines
housing
goal
said
that
we
should
provide
a
diversity
of
housing
to
accommodate
residents
of
all
ages,
income
levels,
household
sizes
and
cultural
backgrounds.
What's
nice
about
this
proposal,
is
it
continues
on
that
goal?.
Y
When
we
reached
out
to
our
buyers
in
this
area,
we
asked
them
why?
Why
are
you
choosing
new
single-family
in
this
area
over
renovating
existing
housing
stock?
What
drives
you
to
to
want
a
single-family
home
and
in
in
things
that
I've
learned
in
this
process
from
the
realtor
community
is,
is
diverse?
Y
Cultures
have
different
needs,
they're,
looking
for
new
housing
that
addresses
their
effect
as
I
think
it's
called
Feng,
Shui
or
feng
shui,
so
that
the
house
meets
specific
dynamics
for
they're,
either
religious
or
value-system
the
religion,
some
of
the
religions
dictate,
which
way
the
house
must
face
and
and
the
components
that
are
in
that
house.
Special
bathroom
facilities
and
other
facilities
to
accommodate
their
needs.
Y
School
is
very
important
to
the
families
that
live
in
this
area.
They
need
proximity
of
the
school
system
to
either
walk
or
to
quickly
get
would
quickly
get
to
that
school
system,
because
transportation
may
be
limited
in
their
families
which
in
which
they
also
need
access
to
transportation
from
a
single
family
status.
To,
for
example,
we
have
a
doctor
that
lives
in
one
of
our
communities.
He
bought
three
homes
for
his
family.
Y
He's
he's
a
he's,
an
immigrant
to
United
States
and
instead
of
buying
a
big
fancy
home
somewhere
else
in
the
community,
he
wanted
three
homes,
one
for
his
mom
and
dad
to
age
in
place,
one
for
himself
and
and
hit
and
his
family
and
one
for
his
brothers,
family,
community
and
keeping
family
together
for
our
buyers
is
extremely
important
and
they
want
to
to
have
newer
houses
things
available
to
them
that
the
family
doesn't
have
to
worry
about
or
have
to
take
care
of.
So
the
new
condition
is
very
important
to
them.
Y
Y
One
of
the
strongest
voices
for
the
need
for
this
type
of
housing,
especially
on
the
ranch
side
in
an
affordable
level
of
housing
in
this
area,
is
people
who
wish
to
age
in
place
that
live
in
the
area,
but
want
to
stay
in
the
area.
What
we're
finding
is
not
like
my
mom
and
dad
why,
instead
of
the
washer
and
dryer
being
in
the
basement,
they
need
it.
On
the
first
floor
because
they're
having
trouble
navigating
the
stairs,
they
need
kitchens
that
are
more
accessible
to
either
their
walkers
or
wheelchairs.
They
there
look.
Y
Y
Y
You
heard
it
today
in
the
testimony
from
people
in
the
room
that
workforce
and
affordability
is
extremely
important.
The
level
of
homes
that
were
posing
this
development
are
between,
on
average,
to
32
to
275
of
the
highest.
So,
of
course,
people
can
get
more
than
that
in
summers
field,
but
that's
typically
the
range
of
housing.
These
this
type
of
housing
supports
are,
as
you
heard,
our
nurses,
our
doctors
electricians,
the
new
doctor
I
talked
about
who
who
wants
a
cola-cola
of
co-located
family
teachers,
firefighters,
municipal
workers?
We
had
a
a.
Y
We
have
useful
workers
that
live
in
summers
field,
the
service
industry,
a
wide
variety
of
our
workforce
that
needs
this
type
of
housing.
Another
aspect
that
people
don't
think
about
with
workforce
housing
is
that
what
this
offers
is
the
garage
space
not
necessary
for
a
vehicle,
but
for
the
work
trailer
or
for
their
supplies
inside
that
home
older
homes.
Don't
have
that
opportunity
ready
for
them
to
move
into
these
new
houses
with.
Y
Or
you
hear
time,
and
time
again
is
that
once
people
can
provide,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
buy
in
on
a
home
and
once
their
kids
get
into
the
school
systems
they
set
roots
in
that
community,
they
established
their
careers,
they
further
their
culture,
they
further
their
family,
the
established
neighbors
and
friends,
and
they
build
on
not
just
the
taxable
value
of
des
moines
but
the
cultural
cultural
value
of
this
community.
That's
why
we
think
the
diverse
housing
in
this
area
is
so
important.
Y
We
believe
we're
gonna
call.
Grover
woods
is
consistent
with
your
plan
is
consistent
with
the
needs
that
were
expressed
tonight
and
and
are
in
your
comprehensive
plan,
and
we
believe
the
single
family
solution
is
exactly
what
the
Moines
needs
to
build
on
value
of
this
area.
We
respectfully
ask
for
your
support
and
to
move
this
forward
to
City
Council
and,
as
you
heard
from
the
people
who
testify
this
is
the
exact
kind
of
housing.
Y
Y
A
A
G
Z
B
The
only
thing
I
just
had
like
the
apartment,
complex,
Mike
and
I
were
visiting
it.
You
know
that
was
probably
five
plus
years
ago.
That's
probably
the
most
recent
thing
in
that
vicinity.
I
think
some
of
other
stuff
around
there.
What
happened
prior
to
that
so
just
give
you
a
sense
of
this
happen.
The
last
few
years
it's
Mike
going
to
China
yeah,
just.
E
To
clarify
it,
those
were
all
built.
We
had
multi-family
tax
abatement
along
the
corridor
and,
as
Joe
pointed
out
that
there
were
concerns
as
we
headed
into
planned
ESM
about
the
density
on
the
corridor
right
now
because
of
infrastructure
questions
about
the
roadway
and
school
capacity.
Things
like
that.
E
Ultimately,
we
ended
up
retracting
the
citywide
multifamily
tax
abatement
and
started
a
targeted
multi-family
tax
payment
plan.
That
now
is
basically
when
we
call
the
spider
map
its
to
the
downtown
overlay
district
with
transit
corridors
coming
out
of
the
downtown,
where
multifamily
tax
abatement
is
available
by
right.
E
E
There
was
no
alternative
proposed.
We
did
suggest
that
they
do
maybe
the
some
detached
single-family
small
lot
on
the
north
portion
of
the
property
kind
of
along
that
drainage
way.
That's
a
tributary
if
you
want
to
call
it
for
four
Mile
Creek
that
runs
through
the
property.
It's
that
dark
line.
The.
E
E
50/50
mix
as
a
alternative
and
again
that
was
a
compromise
to
try
and
address
recognizing
their
desire
for
some
single-family
and
they're
running
out
of
Lots
and
the
summers
field
development,
but
also
trying
to
meet
at
least
the
objectives
of
our
comp
plan,
which
would
call
for
higher
than
four
units
an
acre
of
detached
single-family
along
a
transit
corridor.
Thank.
C
D
I'll
move
the
staff
proposal,
then
my
feeling
about
that
is
I'm
sympathetic
to
what
Hubble
is
saying.
I
think
it
does
make
sense
that
there
makes
housing
there
at
the
same
time.
Think
that
an
amendment
to
the
Comprehensive
Plan
is
significant.
This
is
transit
corridor
and
putting
low-density
or
lower
density.
Housing
can
certainly
harm
a
transit
corridor
in
a
minister
of
different
way.
So
my
feeling
is
that
that
decision,
if
it's
going
to
be
made,
should
be
made
by
City
Council,
not
by
us.
X
In
favor
aye
make
a
comment:
I'm
not
gonna
support
the
motion.
Oh
my
gosh,
we
just
talked
about
single-family
homes
and
affordability
and
here's
an
opportunity
and
we're
saying
it's
not
good
enough.
But
when
I
live
south
of
Grand
in
a
very
lovely
home,
I
had
a
neighbor
who
took
the
bus
every
day
and
lived
in
a
single-family
home,
that's
not
to
say
that
people
don't
take
public,
transit
and
I
always
think
that
the
use
of
the
ground
is
what
what
the
demand
is.
X
X
W
X
W
Drive
the
corridor
fairly,
regularly
and
instruct
by
over
the
last
10
years,
the
number
of
multifamily
residences
that
have
been
constructed
along
the
corridor.
I
found
the
graphic
that
mr.
Prince
knew
yet
Rosinski
showed,
with
other
multi
residential
properties
along
the
corridor
to
be
rather
persuasive
and
if
we're
talking
about
mix,
perhaps
single-family
dwellings
do
have
a
place
in
all
this.
So
I
tend
to
agree
with
my
colleague
on
the
ride.
A
X
A
AA
D
D
Our
job
is
to
understand
where
we
fall
in
the
process
and
where
democratically-elected
people
fall
in
the
process.
I
just
don't
think
we
have
the
information
to
know
that
that
single
family
is
the
is
the
right
thing
to
put
here
and
I.
Think
that
and
that's
why
again,
I
feel
like
we
should
leave
that
decision
to
City
Council.
A
V
V
The
saiga
Rogers
aside,
all
that
stuff
on
the
site,
so
I
guess
where
I
would
love
for
this
to
go
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
about
continuance,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
about
can
we
approve,
you
know
basically
a
and
B,
but
I
do
I
would
love
to
see
staff
and
Hubble
work
together
on
this
particular
PUD
in
site
plan.
I
personally
am
in
favor
of
single-family
homes.
I,
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
be
5050
with
other
stuff.
B
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
break
it
down
and
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
believe
we
would
be
prudent
to
vote
on
the
first
part
and
then
have
that
kind
of
a
in
limbo
and
then
yeah
I
would
just
continue
the
whole
item.
Let
us
come
back
and
then
you
would
vote
on
it
all
together
at
one
time.
I
think
that's
the
best
way.
V
Right
I
guess
that's
I
would
put
out
there
is
you
know
it's
pretty
easy
to
read
this
stuff
here
or
they're,
talking
about
sizes
and
grow
and
square
footages
and
I.
Think
that's
where
the
conversation
needs
to
lie,
see
if
there's
for
some
some
compromise
or
agreement
there.
Obviously,
based
on
the
preceding
presentation,
we
had
the
future
zoning
ordinance.
V
Potentially
and
staff
has
an
opinion
about
size
and
garages
and
all
those
things
and
I
know
that
you
know
Hubble
has
their
own
ultimately
I,
think
having
more
new
housing,
single-family
housing
stock
and
adding
good
property
value
is
I.
Think
the
intent
I
think
most
people
would
agree
with
that.
So
I
don't
know
I've.
Given
you
a
clearer
play.
B
G
C
There
were
a
number
of
hands
that
went
up
in
opposition
I
think
that
the
sentiment
is,
let's
explore
the
single-family
thing
as
much
as
possible
and
allow
Hubble
to
exploit.
If
you
will
a
single-family
in
the
area
as
much
as
possible.
Within
reason,
you
guys
can
work
something
out.
Okay,
obviously
sure.
A
Y
Y
So
here's
what
I
would
suggest
you,
rather
than
tabeling
cabling
and
waiting
two
weeks,
could
the
direction
of
this
Commission,
which
is
within
reason,
you've
done
it
for
me
in
the
past,
recommend
the
give
me
a
recommendation
to
Council
to
move
forward
and
work
with
staff
with
Council
on
parameters
whatever
that
may
be
for
for
architectural
guidelines
what's
proposed
to
you
today
is
exactly
what
we're
doing
in
summers
field,
so
we're
not
trying
to
recreate
the
wheel.
It's
been
highly
successful
development.
Y
W
X
B
You
know
your
conceptual
plan,
it
doesn't
have
you
know,
grading
and
necessarily
detailed
engineering
stuff,
but
what
we
have
tried
to
do
in
Des,
Moines
with
peds,
is
to
have
like
the
base
parameters
of
design
standards
and
general
lot
development
standards.
Bloq
regulations
figured
out
at
the
conceptual
plan
stage,
so,
while
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
can
be
kind
of
pushed
off
to
the
development
plan
as
far
as
specific
design
things,
it's
good
to
at
the
conceptual
plan,
level
at
least
have
kind
of
your
parameter
set.
B
So
in
specific
to
what
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
right
now,
I
would
say
that
we
would
want
some
language
figured
out
to
be
incorporated
in
the
conceptual
plan.
With
regard
to
you
know,
if
design
standards,
size
standards,
setbacks
that
sort
of
stuff,
you
know
the
things
that
could
wait
for
the
development
plan
are
the
exact
number
of
Lots
the
exact
location
of
the
you
know.
The
streets
could
move
a
little
bit.
Those
sorts
of
things
that
more
of
an
engineering.
Y
That's
in
your
proposal,
so
then
why
are
we
stating?
Then
it's
not
in
there,
because
we,
it
goes
pewdie
with
those
design
concept,
regulations
which
was
submitted
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
and
then,
when
we
get
into
the
pulmonary
plat,
we'll
be
back
in
front
of
you
and
we'll
go
through
those
details.
So
in
this
stage
of
our
of
our
due
process,
I
think
we're
meeting
that
threshold
so
I'm,
confused
and
concerned.
Why
we'd
have
a
delay
when
that
information
is
front
of
you
today.
Please.
A
AA
I
find
this
argument
very
rich,
given
that
we
heard
from
Hubble
earlier
that
they
wanted
to
continue
the
PUD
process
in
the
new
zoning
code.
The
purpose
of
a
PUD
is
different
than
a
regular
rezoning.
The
purpose
is
to
negotiate
with
the
city
on
the
parameters
and
conditions
that
are
associated
with
the
development
there,
as
you've
heard
negotiations
have
failed.
At
this
point,
it
sounds
to
me
from
comments
from
some
of
the
commissioners
that
you
would
like
to
see.
AA
Negotiations
continue,
which
again
is
the
purpose
of
a
PUD,
so
our
staff
is
not
prepared
to
present
those
conditions
to
you
tonight
and
need
time
to
do
that.
If
you
want
to
approve
the
PUD
as
submitted,
you
can,
but
again
there
has
not
been
negotiation,
or
at
least
agreement
as
to
negotiation
on
that
matter.
Thank.
C
X
X
Okay,
with
requirement
that
the
developer
work
with
staff
prior
to
council
to
work
out
details
on
architecture
or
whatever
the
issues
are
I'm
sensing
we're
an
agreement
or
generally
an
agreement
that
we
like
the
single-family.
So
there's
no
longer
debate
about
single-family
versus
a
mix
of
single-family
and
townhomes.
But
there
are
some
particulars
that
might
be
of
concern
to
staff,
maybe
not
so.
At
least
that
requires
dialogue
with
the
developer
prior
to
it
going
to
City
Council.
Okay,.
A
X
A
A
V
It
appears
as
though
and
Joe
might
correct
me,
but
kind
of
the
home
pricing
over
in
the
summers
field
areas
all
of
them
north
of
220
I,
don't
know
if
that's
accurate,
but
that's
kind
of
what
it
looks
like
you're,
some
250,
some
240,
and
if
that's
the
case,
you
know
that
is
a
positive
marker
that
we're
after
at
least
I,
am
we're
not
building
150,000
dollar
homes
here.
So
it's
food
for
thought.
F
C
X
D
W
C
X
C
C
A
C
A
A
A
A
F
A
Number
nine
is
a
request
from
vessel
properties
for
actions
regarding
property
located
at
3908.
Lower
Beaver
road
hey
would
be
determination
where
the
proposed
rezoning
is
in
conformance
or
plan
des
moines
training
or
tomorrow
or
and
be
rezone
property
from
our
161
family
low-density
residential
district
to
r22
family
residential
district
to
allow
for
demolition
of
the
existing
single-family
dwelling
and
redevelopment
with
a
two-family
dwelling.
B
B
B
Think
what
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
aerial,
a
couple
things
to
point
out,
lower,
beaver
or
rode
in
this
area
is
a
bus
route,
so
we
have
transit.
There
are
also
two
duplexes
to
the
south,
so
we
do
have-
and
I
believe,
there's
more,
but
in
our
time
and
property
that
was
the
ones
that
we
were
able
to
confirm.
So
there
are
other
duplexes
in
the
area.
With
that
you
know.
Staff
believes
that
this
is
an
appropriate
rezoning,
we're
supportive
of
the
request.
A
B
C
B
F
B
C
B
G
F
A
Staff
recommendations,
Part
A,
which
find
the
proposed
r22
family
residential
district,
in
conformance
with
our
plan
des
moines,
future
land
use,
designation
of
low
density,
residential
Part
B
approval
of
the
proposed
rezoning
from
our
161
family,
low
density
residential
to
our
two
to
family
residential.
The
following
conditions
are
one
through
nine.
W
E
Thank
you
for
holding
your
public
hearing
tonight.
The
second
one
will
be
in
two
weeks.
We
do
anticipate
on
the
steering
committee
on
July
25th
and
at
that
point,
probably
having
some
discussion
on
any
amendments
that
would
be
possible.
The
code
I
know
it
said
we
presented
to
may
the
decision
was
made
that
we
need
to
talk
to
the
steering
committee
and
then
make
a
recommendation
on
any
changes
at
the
next
meeting.
So
that's
what
we'll
try
and
get
those
out
to
you
as
early
as
we
possibly
can,
but
I
can't
guarantee
it.
So,
yes,.
V
V
These
are
things
that
we
feel
could
be
possibly
discussed.
More
you
know
looked
at.
These
are
things
that
we
feel
strongly
in
opposition
to,
even
though
it
was
a
comment
for
me.
That
would
help
sure,
because
it
just
sort
of
becomes
loud
to
me
after
a
while,
if
you're
willing,
III,
don't
know
what
your
process
is
between
now
in
the
next
one,
but
that
would
be
helpful,
especially
from
a
presentation
point
of
view
of
the
same
folks.
Come
back.
You
know.
E
We
can
bring.
We
will
certainly
outline
recommended
changes
at
the
next
meeting.
Just
recognize.
There
also
may
be
changes
even
after
it
leaves
the
Planning
Commission's
hands.
So
that's
part
of
the
public
hearing
process
and
again
tonight
was
pretty
monumental.
This
isn't
easy
if
it
was
done.
If
it
was
easy,
it
would
have
been
done
before
now
say
that
again
so
I
appreciate
your
patience
and
we'll
look
forward
to
another
hearing
on
August.
First,
so.
C
Mike
on
the
affordability
piece,
there
were
13
speakers,
I
have
pages
of
notes.
I
kept
worrying
that
some
of
the
comments
that
we
were
hearing
or
influenced
by
the
economics
that
directly
affected
the
groups
that
were
there,
let's
just
say
they
benefit
from
the
changes,
not
just
the
buyers,
not
just
the
people
who
had
fill
the
houses
I'm
into
objective
data
and
I
know
you
must
have
considered
a
lot
of
it
in
in
coming
to
your
recommendations
and
conclusions,
we'll
probably
need
to
revisit
that
a
little
bit.