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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Feb. 20, 2020 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
I
really
appreciate
the
neighbors
efforts
to
have
you
know:
we've
asked
questions,
we've
tried
to
get
answers
and
I
do
I
really
appreciate
the
feedback
from
our
neighbors
living
within
water
berry
as
well,
but
I
also
asked
to
please
consider
those
of
us
who
have
signed
the
petition
and
who
are
going
to
be
directly
affected,
but
not
only
for
us
but
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
Thank
you.
B
B
Guess
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
I
realize
that
emotions
and
stuff
get
get
high,
and
this
really
isn't
personal.
It's
not
and
I
feel
terrible,
just
being
opposed
to
an
entrepreneur,
but
if
I'm,
just
speaking
practically
from
an
Iowan
point
of
view,
the
math
on
the
parking-
yes
I,
get
that
it.
It
goes
to
code,
but
the
math
doesn't
work
out.
B
If
you're
looking
at
250
people
going
into
this
place,
we
know
where
Iowans,
how
many
of
us
have
drove
all
by
ourselves
in
one
car
tonight
or
two
we're
not
great
at
carpooling
and
what's
gonna
happen
is
there's
a
shuttle.
That's
gonna
go
across
the
street,
our
Iowans
more
likely
to
drive
down
Grand
get
into
that
parking
lot
get
out
of
their
car.
Wait
for
a
shuttle
then
sit
in
the
shuttle.
Have
a
shuttle
drive
them
across
a
block
to
get
out
to
go
to
this
beautiful
location.
B
Iowans
are
good,
they
go
picking
a
jaywalker
cross,
Grand,
that's
what's
gonna
happen
or
more
likely,
probably
they're
going
to
take
a
right
or
a
left
on
61st
Street.
If
the
parking
lot
is
full
they're
gonna
park
on
61st
Street,
if
it's
not
there,
they're
gonna
park
on
Walnut
Hill,
which
again
no
sidewalks,
is
mark
reference,
another
thing
or
swing
around
on
60th
Street
and
fill
up
that
spot.
B
What
Iowans
are
gonna
do
and
it's
what
I
would
do,
and
that
is
I
think
the
biggest
point
of
view
now,
just
as
I
close
just
imagine
11
o'clock
at
night
now
people
are
at
an
awesome
party
and
now
they're
going
to
filter
back
out.
If
they
did
take
the
shuttle
option,
maybe
they
take
the
shuttle
back
over,
but
more
likely
they
J
walk
across
Grant
Avenue
or
they
filter
into
our
neighborhood
to
get
into
their
car
and
Taylor,
says
she's.
B
Looking
for
the
perfect
location,
I
can
appreciate
that,
but
from
all
the
gymnastics
required
to
make
this
location
work
and
make
it
the
dream.
It
tells
me
it's
not
the
perfect
location.
This
feels
like
a
square
peg,
getting
into
a
round
hole
and
we
can
press
and
press
and
press,
but
I
just
don't
think
it
works
here.
B
C
So
I
know
right,
so
my
name
is
Anthony.
Carroll
I
live
right
here
on
five,
two
five
sixty
three
and
you
already
know
I'm
a
fool
because
I'm
gonna
try
to
follow
Scott,
which
is
probably
the
not
the
smartest
thing
to
do,
but
I
I
did
speak
before
you
I
want
to
thank
your
time.
I
won't
be
redundant.
What
I
talked
about
last
time,
I
wanna.
Thank
you
for
listening
last
time.
C
This
vicinity
are
not
happy
about
that's
a
brave
thing.
So
I
applaud
her
for
doing
that.
That's
a
very
hard
thing
to
do,
but
that's
really
the
point.
It's
not
about
the
applicant!
It's
your
question.
As
you
know,
it's
not
even
about
whether
to
build
this
event
center.
Since
the
last
meeting
I
attended
a
group,
a
meeting
at
a
couple
blocks
north
of
here,
and
it
became
very
clear
who
said
this
is
going
to
happen
along
terms
of
building
that
was
repeated,
my
wife
who's.
Not
here
you
have
the
B
Squad
again
tonight.
C
My
wife
is
home
with
our
sick,
five-year-old
after
working
all
day
trying
to
get
her
to
sleep
home
you're
stuck
with
me,
so
it
was
unplanned
person
to
come
today.
What
I
would
say
is
I
live
here
and
it's
not
a
question
of
whether
to
build
this
event
center.
That's
not
your
question.
Right
and
again
it's
been
told
this
is
going
to
happen.
The
question
is
whether
to
rezone
this,
whether
to
change
what
is
currently
a
buffer
of
commercial
mix,
a
residential
mix
to
commercial
mix.
C
That
is
your
question
and
the
transformation
I'm
not
going
to
be
redundant
about
parking,
but
the
thing
that
was
really
glossed
over
on.
It
is
the
very
heart
of
the
question
for
view
weather
to
transform
the
neighborhood
and
allow
the
sell
of
booze
to
upwards
of
250,
hopefully
for
her
sake
every
weekend.
That
is
the
question
you
have
so
I
want
her
to
succeed.
I
do
I,
doesn't
matter
what
I
want
there's,
no
doubt
she
will
she's
her
stars,
bright,
I
cheer
for
him.
C
I
truly
do
what
I
would
love
to
know
is
we
are
all
day
burs
right,
you're,
my
neighbor
I
work
in
East,
Village
I'm,
a
neighbor
were
all
neighbors,
but
who
lives
in
that
certain.
This
circle
wants
this,
not
one.
If
I'm
wrong,
please
approach
me:
I
will
cheer
for
you
I
kept
waiting
to
hear
one
person
who
lives
in
the
circle
who
wants
us
to
be
transformed,
because
that
is
the
point
you're
asking
us
to
become
the
buffer.
That
is
really
what
you're
doing
become
the
buffer
to
not
just
parking
but
drunk
people.
C
That
is
what
happens
as
foreseeable.
It's
inevitable.
It's
designed!
That's
the
question
you
have
so
I
opposed
it,
not
because
I
opposed
this
person's
willpower
and
very
plate.
She'll
say
she
can't
even
say
she's
talked
to
my
wife.
She's
talked
to
me.
She
listened
to
a
lot
of
people,
but
listening
and
making
a
better
case
for
your
business
is
not
the
same
thing
of
whether
we
should
support
250
people
moving
in
they
burned.
The
closest
there
was
a
discussion
of
the
booze
tonight
was
Viva.
C
Did
you
hear
that
Viva
is
out
by
the
way
I've
walked
there
with
my
my
family
Viva?
Did
you
hear
that
Viva
is
just
fine?
Viva
is
over
here?
It's
not
even
here.
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
flower
shop,
the
flower
shops,
not
where
the
business
ghost
that's
parking,
the
flower
shop
is
or
excuse
me,
the
event
center
is
here
and
again
I
guess
I
would
ask
you
to
pose
it.
It's
a
simple
question:
if
you
don't
oppose
it,
please
ask
for
good
neighbor
agreements.
That
is
the
only
thing.
C
The
only
thing
that
could
possibly
try
to
bring
some
certainty,
rather
than
just
proclaim
yourself
to
be
a
good
neighbor
as
a
business.
So
I
heard
from
businesses,
but
the
people
have
to
sleep
there.
Every
night
are
the
people
that
you'll
have
to
deal
and
I'm
trying
to
avoid
the
problems
that
comes
with
that
with
that
transformation.
So
I've
respectfully
asked
for
you
to
pose
this.
C
This
motion
to
rezone
not
a
motion
of
whether
the
applicants
amazing
person
I'm
for
it
I,
wanted
to
sign
up
for
the
applicant,
not
opposing
whether
to
put
a
bet
center.
That's
happening.
It's
been
told
repeatedly
that
it's
happening.
The
question
is:
do
you
transfer
our
neighborhood
into
the
buffer
zone
to
the
rest
of
Waterbury
and
I
really
hope
you
consider
that
decision
not
lightly
before
you
move
forward
and
I?
Thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
appreciate
your
time.
You
have
a
tough
job
again.
C
C
E
Members
of
commission
I'm,
Tony
Carlos,
you
know
801
grand
avenue,
suite
3700,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
it
and
gretchen
johnson
who
owned
property,
Walnut,
Hill
Drive
and
their
daughter
son-in-law,
sarin
Erik
Flores,
who
also
live
on
Walnut,
Hill,
Drive
and
they're
against
this
and
I.
Don't
want
to
say
anything
that
might
talk
you
into
approving
this,
but
it
just
seems
like
what
the
center
fielder
discussions
and
and
Taylor
gave
a
very
cogent
presentation
on
what
she's
going
to
do
here.
But
you
noticed
you
go
back
through
her
presentation.
E
She
never
mentioned
anything
about
ours
and
that's
one
of
the
big
concerns
you
know.
Turning
people
loose
have
been
liquored
up
late
at
night,
who
will
cause
problems
narrow
streets.
So
in
our
view
there
ought
to
be
what
we've
been
calling
a
good
neighbor
agreement.
The
daughter
addressed
certain
things,
such
as
the
number
of
guests
limited
to
a
maximum
of
250
persons.
If
that's
what
they
say,
they're
gonna
have.
The
premises
would
be
used
for
celebratory
events,
which
is
what
they've
said
and
hours
would
be
weekdays
Sundays
and
weekdays
close
up.
E
Ten
o'clock,
Saturday
and
Friday
and
Saturday
closed
up
at
eleven
o'clock,
which
is
what
I
think
maybe
it
was
was
a
Rachel
one
of
her
people.
That
spoke
for
her
indicated
that
that
would
be
the
end
of
the
hour
parking
plan
would
allow
for
ninety
five
spots
on
site.
We
would
hope
that
there'd
be
a
backup
parking
plan
by
an
agreement
enforceable
agreement.
Presumably
across
the
street
at
the
old
I
am
P
site.
E
You
know,
guests
would
not
be
allowed
to
park
in
the
streets.
Off-Duty
police
coverage
would
be
required
to
maintain
order
and
to
enforce
some
of
these.
The
you
know,
conditions
no
outside
activities
would
be
permitted
at
least
not
permitted
in
the
evening
when
the
noise
might
carry
through
building
will
be
constructed
in
a
manner
to
contain
the
noise.
We've
heard
that
that
can
be
done
so
we're
just
saying:
let's
put
something:
that's
going
to
bind
people
to
do
this.
E
Maybe
Taylor's
got
all
the
good
intentions
of
the
war
in
the
world,
but
she
decided
to
go
out
of
this
business.
Somebody
else
comes
in
there
and,
as
you
know,
the
zoning
continues
on
and
if
there
are
any
conditions
here,
then
the
next
person-
you
know
it's
just
as
good
as
their
promise.
You
know
what
they
have
to
do.
Landscaping
would
be
important.
You
know
around
the
site.
E
We
would
think
there's
only
one
tree,
that's
a
dead
tree
there
that
would
be
allowed
to
be
cut
down
and
then
landscaping
around.
Would
you
know
buffer
landscaping
that
the
no
Zoning
Board?
Does
this
all
the
time
on
properties
that
sue
provide
both
the
buffer?
And
you
know,
noise-
would
assist
with
the
noise
lighting
would
be
designed
to
minimize
annoyance
to
the
residential
areas,
and
the
agreement
would
be
term
to
run
with
the
land
so
being
for
it
could
be
enforced
against
any
subsequent
purchasers
or
operators
of
the
business.
E
F
H
Good
evening
again,
my
name
is
Jenna
Newell
and
I
live
at
535.
Waterbury
circle
I
feel
the
need
to
speak
this
evening,
because
I
feel
like
I,
owe
my
neighbors
I
owe
them
an
explanation.
I
came
last
weekend
when
we
are
last
week
when
we
just
found
out
about
this
whole
situation
and
express
my
concerns
and
I
decided.
You
know
what
I
need
to
go
back.
No
one
in
our
area
knows
what's
going
on.
They
don't
really
understand
the
details
and
again
we
applaud
Taylor
she's.
H
Obviously,
a
lovely
young
lady
I
know
a
lot
of
people
that
know
her
I
hear
that
over
and
over
I
plot
her
for
what
she's
doing,
but
we
also
excuse
a
second
from
canvassing,
my
neighbors
and
talking
with
them.
I
also
know
that
there
is
a
huge
concern
about
protecting
the
integrity
of
our
neighborhood,
which
means
small
confined.
We
know
each
other.
We
help
each
other.
We
you
know
we
go
over
and
above
and
this
what
the
consensus
and
I
went.
H
H
There
are
some
concerns,
so
I
think
from
my
just
my
personal
canvassing
of
of
the
neighborhood
and
I
did
I
walked
to
more
than
forty
houses.
Granted
not
everybody
was
home,
but
I
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
and
I
think
the
sense
is
even
if
Taylor
was
building
something
that
house,
maybe
parties
or
events
up
to
a
hundred
people
that
would
feel
more
reasonable
to
us
like
okay,
you
can
handle
the
parking
right
there.
H
Maybe
it's
not
going
to
be
congesting
traffic,
so
bad,
because
we
also
envision
that
during
the
day,
there's
going
to
be
vans
and
caterers
and
DJs
setting
up
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
which
will
add-
and
maybe
if
it's
raining
people
are
going
to
want
to
just
drop
these
lovely.
Ladies
in
their
high
heels
off
at
the
front
door
and
they're
gonna
wander
up
and
try
and
find
a
place
to
park
this
clothes
I,
don't
know
in
a
big
concern.
H
H
Had
we
had
it
been
something
I
think
the
size
of
it
is
what
really
concerns
us
being
that
large
that
many
people
coming
and
going
throughout
the
day
every
single
weekend?
It
just
changes
the
dynamics
of
our
beautiful
quiet,
lovely
little
neighborhood
in
McDonald's
and
Viva
Mia
they're
busy.
But
it's
not
a
canoe.
You
know
people
just
swinging,
McDonald's,
drive-through
and
off
they
go
that's
you
know
in
vive,
they've
managed
to
find
parking
in
the
bank
and
on
the
side
streets
and
that
deals
pretty
well.
H
This
will
throw
a
loop
in
that
I'm
sure
I,
hope,
I,
don't
know
what
it'll
do
to
Vives
business,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
the
neighbors.
Thank
you
for
coming,
because
I
really
encourage
them
to
get
involved,
get
informed,
trying
to
find
out
what's
going
here
and
I
just
want
to
say
to
Taylor
I
think
that's
really
our
biggest
biggest
concern.
H
H
G
G
Neighborliness,
but
that's
not
the
case
we
are.
We
are
dealing
with
with
big
big
folks
and
people
who
don't
really
care
what
kind
I'm
not
talking
Taylor
here
but
I'm
talking
about
others
who
have
not
really
cared
about
what
impact
they
are
having
on
a
quiet,
tranquil,
neighbourhood,
and
if
you
can't
have
peace
and
quiet
in
your
home.
Where
can
you
have
it
these
days?
G
F
I
Whether
you're
willing
to
I,
don't
I,
mean
I,
think
we've
had
neighbor
agreements
on
other
matters,
I'm
not
familiar
with
them
as
part
of
rezoning.
Certainly,
the
Commission
has
the
ability
to
recommend
conditions
as
part
of
rezoning.
The
owner
would
be
obligated
under
the
state
code
to
accept
those
conditions
in
order
for
them
to
take
take
effect.
If
the
council
believes
they're
not
willing
to
accept
conditions,
the
council
recommends,
then
they
would.
I
You
know
certainly
could
also
deny
the
rezoning,
but
if
they
do
agree
to
conditions
those
conditions
then
would
get
recorded
with
their
rezoning
and
carry
with
the
land.
As
mr.
policy
no
had
indicated,
we've
sort
of
shifted
in
our
new
code,
we've
somewhat
shifted
away
from
getting
too
many
conditions.
We've
put
a
lot
more
design
elements
in
the
in
the
review
code
for
design
review.
To
avoid
having
specific
landscaping.
I
I
The
Board
of
Adjustment
would
consider
both
any
assembly
use
under
either
this
current
zoning
rx1
or
under
mx1,
and
that
conditional
use
would
then
be
able
to
have
a
clause
in
it
where,
if
there
was
a
pattern
of
exhibiting
a
violation
of
conditions
that
the
Board
of
Adjustment
would
impose
with
that
conditional
use,
it
could
be
brought
back,
whereas
if
this
was
Rees
owned
with
certain
conditions
and
they
violated
that
there
really
isn't
the
automatic
ability
to
bring
it
back
for
reconsideration.
I
think
the
council
would
have
to
initiate
that
directly.
I
So
we
would
have
to
enforce
on
it
through
more
through
the
court
system
to
deal
with
violations
with
this
conditional
use
again
and
also
would
be
for
the
liquor
consideration.
If
that
were
the
case,
then
those
conditional
uses,
I
think
from
our
zoning
enforcement
perspective
are
easier
for
us
to
enforce
when
we
get
into
the
court
system
on
anything.
I
So
again,
the
Commission
certainly
can
recommend
things
that
kind
of
tie
the
hands
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment.
Some
of
the
stuff
that
staff
has
recommended
would
already
do
that.
We're
already
saying
that
any
conditional
use
that
we
would
recommend
that
any
conditional
use
for
the
sale
of
alcohol
would
consider
hours
of
operation
parking
arrangements
and.
I
The
business
itself
the
sales
activities,
so
we
believe
that
staff
believes
that's
going
to.
You
know
give
the
Board
of
Adjustment
direction
as
to
ensuring
that
they
at
least
take
those
matters
they're
able
to
take
other
matters
that
would
be
brought
to
their
attention
in
those
consideration
of
uses
again.
I
Who's
selling
that
liquor,
whereas
if
it
was
one
operator
there
would
be
more
consistency
in
that.
So
that's
another
kind
of
element
to
this,
but
so
I
don't
want
to
I'm
a
little
worried
that
people,
if
it
gets
denied
tonight
that
people
will
get
the
impression
that
it's
kind
of
an
over
its
over,
but
they
will
still
have
the
ability
to
go
to
the
board.
Ask
for
the
conditional
uses
for
the
parking
in
the
flood
zone
and
the
assembly.
I
I
Again
with
the
good
neighbor
agreement
is
something
that
again,
we
haven't
tied
into
the
zoning
I'm,
not
saying
that
it's
not
a
doable
thing.
It's
just
not
it's
another
thing
that
we'll
be
expending
our
resources
in
our
ability
to
enforce,
but
I
don't
want
to
discourage
them
from
engaging
the
neighborhood
in
a
private
agreement,
because
that
may
be
another
tool
that
would
be
effective
for
the
neighbors,
but
I
haven't
seen
that.
I
I
A
neighbor
so
there's
been
there's
been
neighbor
agreements
on
things
involved
where
the
city's
in
partnership
with
the
neighborhood
associations
on
projects
or
maintenance
of
areas
throughout
the
city,
we've
had
a
good
neighbor
task
force.
That's
reviewed
development
in
our
Agri
merchant
industrial
park
over
on
Vandalia,
so
we've
had
that
that
concepts
been
out
there,
but
I've
never
seen
it.
In
the
25
years,
I've
been
here
associated
directly
with
the
zoning
zoning
condition
and
I'm,
not
saying
it
can't
be
done.
It
just
hasn't
happen,
so
it's
kind
of
new
territory
there.
H
K
K
Billy
Kirby,
you
know
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
uptick
of
traffic.
You
know
a
restaurant
can
go
in
the
space
and
imagine
how
many
more
vehicles
and
cars
there
would
be
if
it
was
a
restaurant
and
I'll
tell
you.
Restaurant
owners
I
mean
I,
know
a
lot
of
them
that
are
amazing,
but
there's
also
some
that
are
really
not
gonna
have
a
say
or
care.
What
the
neighbors
think
so
I
think.
That's
something
really
that
you
guys
need
to
consider
and
think
about
before.
K
You
know
completely
throwing
my
idea
out
the
out
the
door
again
just
one
to
two
times
a
week,
opposed
to
seven
days
out
of
the
week
and
until
2
a.m.
I.
You
know
it's
another
option
that
can
go
that's
already
and
it's
already
zoned
correctly
and
they
can't
have
alcohol,
because
they're
gonna
be
serving
over
50%
of
food.
So
again,
that's
just
something
to
think
about
Meghan
I'm,
a
mom
as
well
I
would
much
rather
have
a
small
Event
Center
in
my
neighborhood
than
a
restaurant,
especially
again
with
a
restaurant.
K
There's
gonna
be
a
huge
uptick
of
traffic.
For
that
you
know,
Airbnb.
That
was
something
that
was
brought
up
really
I
mean
it's
not
one
of
my
issues.
I
actually
did
know
a
lot
of
people
around
surrounding
neighborhoods
that
around
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
that
like
to
live
there
I
mean
Glen.
Oaks
is
a
prime
example.
They
are
outside
until
midnight
blare,
the
noise
from
the
branda
and
people
pay
a
lot
of
money
to
live
in
that
space.
You
know.
K
Another
thing
is:
the
hotel
is
within
1.3
miles
of
the
property,
which
is
actually
closer
than
some
of
the
neighborhood
neighbors
that
are
here
so
I
don't
again
see
that
being
much
of
an
issue
for
hotels,
a
couple
of
other
things
I
just
wanted
to
address
was
you
know,
I
keep
addressing
the
parking
issue
over
and
over
again.
If
there's
something
that
we
need
to
write
up
that
if
we're
over
a
certain
capacity,
we
need
to
provide
valet
services.
K
K
You
know
reiterate
multiple
times
that
this
isn't
my
first
rodeo
I
do
events
multiple
times,
I
mean
hundreds
of
times
out
of
the
year
and
the
number
one
a
question
I
do
get
from
my
clients
is
parking
when
it's
downtown
and
when
it's
at
the
Tea
Room
when
it's
at
MC
Club,
you
know
downtown
and
I
always
find
ways
to
make
sure
that
there
is
parking
for
the
guests,
because
I
do
want
everybody
to
be
happy.
A
couple
of
other
things
and
I
know
I'm.
K
You
know
a
couple
things
on
the
number
of
hours.
I'm.
Sorry
I
didn't
mention
that
in
my
previous
speech,
but
again
at
the
at
the
neighborhood
meeting,
I
reiterated
it
multiple
times
that
10
p.m.
cut
off
on
weeknights
and
then
11
p.m.
and
weekends,
with
last
call
at
10:30,
I
think
that's
being
more
than
accommodating
for
being
in
a
commercial
area
where
viva
mexico,
restaurants,
open
every
single
day,
I
believe
10:30,
maybe
11
o'clock
during
the
summertime
and
then
McDonald's
just
right
down
the
road
open
till
1:00
a.m.
K
so
again
just
kind
of
wanted
to
mention
a
little
bit
about
that
again.
A
couple
of
other
things.
You
know
you
guys
talked
a
lot
about
the
integrity
of
your
neighborhood
I
would
much
rather
have
a
space
like
what
we're
presenting
go
there
instead
of
a
Red
Lobster
Cracker,
Barrel,
I
I
mean
I,
came
and
tell
you
the
different
restaurants
that
could
be
in
that
in
that
location.
K
But
you
know
the
you
talk
to
them
about
the
water
Waterbury
Association
I
did
try
to
join
and
I
was
told,
I
was
not
able
to,
and
we
did
a
full
presentation
back
in
September
where
we
provided
the
square
footage.
We
provided
booklets
with
all
the
information
and
in
it
for
all
the
members
that
were
in
attendance.
K
You
know
and
a
couple
of
other
things
that
are
mentioned.
You
talked
about,
maybe
not
knowing
about
the
side
patio.
We
did
talk
about
that
a
lot
on
Monday,
but
they
do
movies
and
the
credit
union
lot.
That
just
is
right,
can't
really
see
it
much,
but
is
right
over
there.
So
there's
movies
on
the
lawn
there
they
host
their
Oktoberfest
there
there's
a
lot
of
events
that
they
do
really
kind
of
surrounding
right
from
right.
K
One
other
thing
to
note
before
I
wrap
everything
up
is
the
building.
Currently,
that
is
on
6011
is
spectra
and
they
are
currently
five
thousand
one
hundred
eighty-five
square
feet.
Our
proposed
building
is
seven
thousand,
so
it's
really
not
a
huge.
It's
really
not
a
huge
event.
Space
valor,
ballrooms,
40,000
square
feet,
I
mean
they're
completely
two
different
things,
but
again
to
end
or
to
close,
you
know
the
surrounding
properties
around
there.
K
They
knew
that
their
commercial
buildings
over
here
they
bought
the
properties
knowing
that,
knowing
that,
maybe
something
could
go
in
there,
but
I
do
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
So
if
there's
something
that
we
need
to
look
and
review
that
I
haven't
seen
yet
from
the
neighbors
I'm
more
than
willing
to
do
so.
Thank
you.
L
M
So,
there's
only
a
couple
things
that
got
missed
their
landscaping
is
set
by
the
zoning
code.
Nothing
we
can
do
about
that.
The
buffer
is
set
by
the
zoning
code,
so
we've
already
exceeded
that
with
the
existing
trees,
which
the
only
thing
that
comes
out
of
the
existing
landscaping
are
the
understory
that
are
doing
damage
to
the
overstory.
So
we
will
need
we
don't
have
a
choice.
M
We
have
to
meet
the
landscaping
buffer
and
the
noise
is
set
by
the
zoning
code
and
the
hours
are
set
by
design
your
code
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
add
to
this
other
than
they
have
to
meet
it
or
they're
in
violation.
But
the
buffer
was
one
thing
that
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
addressed
it's
set
by
the
zoning
code.
We
have
to
meet
it.
Thanks.
N
Let
me
weigh
in
on
this.
As
the
audience
members
have
said,
this
is
nothing
personal
and
we're
here
to
do
the
best
interest
of
City
of
Des,
Moines
I
think
the
applicant
has
done
an
excellent
job
in
presentation
of
improving
a
wasted
asset
which
is
taking
place
currently
for
five
years.
I
think
this
is
a
vast
improvement.
This
is
consistent
with
the
commercial
district
and
grand
and
as
a
resident
Beaverdale.
We
live
consistently
with
mixed
use
of
commercial
residences
together
and
I
vote
to
adopt
staff
recommendation.
N
D
N
J
D
I
We
have
an
exact
building
with
the
areas
defined
and
but
the
the
cup,
the
calculation.
Currently
in
the
code,
which
is
chapter
135,
which
is
now
moved
over
to
the
design
it
used
to
be
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
would
it
consider
any
deficiencies
in
parking?
It's
now
part
of
the
site
plan
review
procedure,
and
if
they
want
to
appeal
requirements
under
a
design
alternative,
they
would
end
up
coming
to
the
back
to
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission,
but
the.
But
the
calculation
is
one
per
four
hundred
square
feet
for
any
of
their
office
space.
I
Essentially
if
they
have
like
catering
kitchen
or
something
that
gets
an
occupant
load
for
the
building,
but
doesn't
generate
any
parking
necessarily.
But
the
assembly
area
then,
is
calculated
at
one
per
six
pick
seats
now
the
fixed
seats.
When
you
have
an
open
seating
or
a
flexible
seating
situation,
we
kind
of
treat
that
worst-case
scenario
as
if
you've
cleared
the
room
and
made
it
standing
room
only
under
the
building
code.
The
occupant
load
figures
that
at
one
per
15
square
feet.
I
I
If
it
was
like
this,
you
know
in
a
in
the
with
somebody
brought
up
the
valet
or
you
know
when
you're
standing
there
in
the
open
pit
kind
of
situation,
the
building
code
doesn't
distinguish,
whether
it's
for
weddings
or
for
whatever,
but
that's
how
it
would
be
looked
at
in
turn,
and
so
that
would
generate
the
parking
calculation.
What
staff
is
suggesting
and
the
staff
reports
is
that
they
not
get
the
benefit
of
the
reduction.
That's
allowed
for
the
mx1
district.
I
Again
that
the
plan,
DSM
and
I
know
somebody
spoke
to
this-
maybe
to
the
contrary
that
it
is
the
city's
intention
under
plan
DSM
to
minimize
parking
and
and
take
advantage
of
parking
in
neighborhoods
and
inject
businesses
into
neighborhoods.
So
the
MX
is
one
of
those
zonings
that
takes
that
into
account
and
tries
to
take
advantage
of
shared
parking
arrangements
and
reductions
in
parking,
so
we're
not
creating
impervious
surface
that
we
have
to
drain
and
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
deal
with
it
from
an
infrastructure
standpoint.
I
So,
but
in
this
case,
because
of
the
proximity
to
the
neighborhood,
we
think
that
it
probably
is
appropriate
to
hold
them
to
the
hundred
percent
standard
as
a
zoning
condition.
Then
the
Board
of
Adjustment
understands
that.
That's
a
that's
a
minimum
point
to
start
with,
just
under
the
zoning
condition.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
L
J
I
I
Hundred
percent
of
that
minimum
calculation
that
I
was
kind
of
laying
out
there,
not
the
sixty
percent
that
him
and
that,
but
we're
basically
pulling
that
flexibility
of
that
sixty
percent
that
they
can
have
in
that.
If
they
go
to
an
m1,
our
x1
doesn't
have
that.
So
if
it
doesn't
get
Zone
two
M
x1,
they
will
have
to
demonstrate
a
hundred
percent
of
the
requirement,
and
so.
J
J
Most
of
my
can
I
mean
my
only
concern
about
this
property.
Is
the
parking
and
I
agree
that
the
city
is
going
towards
multi-use
part
like
sharing
parking,
which
is
a
great
idea,
I'm,
not
sure
that
this
area
of
grande
is
at
that
point
yet,
even
though
it
does,
when
you
consider
properties
that
are
across
the
street,
it
does
have
a
lot
of
parking
that
isn't
used
all
the
time.
J
I
I
That's
that's
brought
up
that's
regulated
differently,
I!
Think.
If
there's
desire
to
change
how
on
street
parking
is
handled
on
those
side
streets
that
really
needs
to
come
through
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee,
and
then
it
comes
as
an
ordinance
in
front
of
the
City
Council
so
like
if
they
want
to
flip
the
side
of
the
street.
That
parking
is
allowed
on,
for
example,
so
that
the
flow
of
traffic
is
leaving
the
area
as
they
leave
with
their
Park
car.
I
You
know
they
can
look
at
that
as
an
example
or
if
they
just
believe
no
parking
needs
to.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
more
now,
no
parking
that
would
be
by
ordinance
through
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee
I.
Don't
think
that
the
zoning,
while
the
Zoning
Commission
or
the
plan
and
Zoning
Commission,
can
you
know
sort
of
ask
that
they
take
a
look
at
that
or
that
the
neighborhood
work
with
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee
to
take
a
look
at
that
I?
I
Don't
believe
you
can
compel
the
applicant
here
to
do
something
if,
if
that
gets
turned
down
yeah
but
yeah,
it's
it's
something
that
can
be
looked
at
and
they
they
may.
You
know,
begin
courage
to
work
independently
with
the
neighborhood
to
get
that
a
parking
street
parking
solution.
You
know
that's
a
good
neighbor,
they
might
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
neighborhood
group
to
look
for
better
solutions
on
that
regard.
If
everybody
moves
around.
F
Alright
I'll
read
the
staff
recommendation.
The
staff
recommends
commission
finding
the
proposed
rezoning,
not
conformance
with
des
moines
plan,
dsm
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
future
land
use
designations
of
park
and
open
space,
development
control
and
low-density
residential
on
portions
of
the
subject.
F
Property
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
request
to
amend
the
future
land
use
designation
to
community
mixed-use
for
portions
of
the
property,
not
within
the
100-year
floodplain
designation
on
the
federal
insurance
rate
maps
issued
by
FEMA
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
requested
rezoning
to
mx1
mixed
use,
district
proportions
of
the
property,
not
zoned
at
flood
district
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
Any
entertainment
assembly
use
permitted
shall
provide
parking
at
100%
of
the
calculated
requirement
in
chapter
135
of
the
city
code
for
such
use.
F
Within
the
approved
site
plan,
any
business
holding
a
liquor
license,
and/or
beer
or
wine
permit
shall
be
prohibited,
which
is
not
operated
as
either
an
eating
&
drinking
place.
Restaurant
use
at
least
half
of
whose
gross
income
is
derived
from
the
sale
of
prepared
food
and
food
related
services,
or
an
assembly
and
entertainment.
Small
use
that
occupies
no
more
than
7,000
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area
for
assembly
that
is
operated
in
compliance
with
an
approved
conditional
use,
including,
but
not
limited
to
hours
of
operation,
sales
requirements
and
parking
arrangements.
I
So
it
it
passes
seven
to
one
and
that
also
passes
the
land
views
amendment
at
the
same
time,
because
that
requires
minimum
of
six
votes.
I
did
want
to
mention
so
at
the
last
meeting
they
went
over
the
calendar
that
was
potentially
for
the
other
item
and
they
found
that
the
council
set
the
hearing
for
the
23rd,
which
was
they
pushed
it
out.
So
I
do
want
to
advise
everybody
to
sort
of
watch
closely.
I
The
council
would
be
expected
to
receive
this
on
March
9th
and
typically
it
would
get
set
for
the
March
23rd,
but
they
they
already
set
the
the
shelter
prodding
request
for
the
23rd,
so
they
might
strip.
You
know,
push
it
out
further.
I
don't
want
to
make
any
promises,
but
the
typical
schedule
would
put
it
on
the
23rd,
but
but
keep
a
watch
out
and
see
where
they
actually
set
the
hearing.
D
D
F
We're
ready
for
item
agenda
number
six
request
from
Iowa
homeless,
youth
shelters,
applicant
representatives,
I
Cho
vo
varies
for
the
following
on
property
located
at
2705
East
Euclid
Avenue.
The
subject.
Property
is
owned
by
the
Michael
J
Rovner
trust,
Cynthia,
L,
Rovner
trust,
Michael,
J,
Rovner
and
Cynthia
L
rope
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
zoning
is
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm,
creating
or
tomorrow
amend,
plan
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow's
future
land
designation
from
low
density
residential
to
community
mixed-use,
rezone
property
from
nn3,
a
residential
district
to
our
x1
mixed
use.
I
I
So
this
does
butt
up
against
the
same
zoning,
essentially
that
they
are
actually
the
zoning
next
to
them
is
the
mx1
that
you're,
the
MX
district,
which
is
different,
is
more
intensive,
so
they're
sort
of
transitioning
with
this
rx1
that
allows
their
use
the
you
well
they're
called
the
Iowa
homeless,
youth
centers.
The
function
here
is
not
for
the
residential
component
of
that
I
believe
they're,
looking
for
a
place
to
provide
training
opportunities
for
their
residents
and
clients
and
I'll.
I
Let
them
speak
more
to
that,
but
the
idea
here
is
they
would
want
a
small
building
that
integrates
into
the
neighborhood
for
this
function
of
theirs
and
that
rx1
was
the
zoning
that
most
approximated
what
they
were
proposing
to
do.
So
that's
the
zoning
that
they
have
chosen
staff
looked
at
this
overall
for
the
impacts
that
would
create
I
know.
I
Some
concern
has
been
raised
about
abutting
single-family
residences
directly,
so
they
you
know
they
would
have
to
follow
the
design
requirements
under
the
site
plan
regulations
to
make
sure
that
they're
properly
separating
things
like
parking
areas
and
building
setbacks
to
meet
that.
The
new
ordinance,
of
course,
as
you
know,
encourages
most
of
the
buildings
to
be
brought
as
close
to
the
commercial
street
as
possible
in
this
case
Euclid's
another
very
busy
street,
like
Grand
Avenue,
and
it's
unusual
actually
to
have
single-family.
I
So
staff
is
making
a
recommendation
that
the
Commission
not
find
the
rezoning
in
conformance
the
property
is
shown
as
low-density
residential
in
the
plan.
Dsm
future
Land
Use
Plan.
So
that
would
need
to
be
amended
for
them
and
they
have
requested
that,
and
so
they
would
request
that
the
future
land
use
designation
be
amended
from
low
density
residential
to
the
community
mixed-use,
which
directly
abuts
them
to
the
west.
I
We
think
that
the
rx100
nning
is
narrow
enough
from
a
use
perspective
in
this
context
to
support
and
protect
the
surrounding
residences
and
commercial
properties
as
well,
and
we
think
that
the
site
plan
standards
applicable
are
also
sensitive
to
those
contexts.
The
rx1
is
a
zoning
district.
That
again
is
meant
to
be
against
other
residential
property,
so
we
think
the
condition
the
regulations
of
the
development
are
going
to
be
sufficient
under
the
way
that
the
planning
and
design
ordinance
is
already
established.
So
we're
just
recommending
approval.
I
Are
there
any
questions?
I
will
show
you
the
consent
map.
We
had
some
opposition
I.
Think
I
had
one
conversation
with
the
leader
from
the
fairmark
Park
neighborhood,
which
is
the
south
side
of
Euclid.
Oddly
enough,
the
Douglass
acres
to
the
north
claims
both
sides
of
the
street.
So
there's
some
overlap
here.
I
won't
get
into
that.
I
did
want
to
make
that
clear.
So
both
neighborhoods
were
part
of
the
notification
list.
I
The
contacts
from
both
neighborhoods
we
did
hear
from
the
Fairmount
Park
and
there
is
some
concern
about
from
neighbors
to
the
south
because
of
this,
maybe
the
scale
in
the
building
that
they
might
be
it
end
up
being
an
invasion
of
their
privacy.
So
I
guess
that's
one
issue
that
has
been
brought
up.
J
I
I
O
What
we're
really
looking
to
do
is
we
have
over
a
hundred
youth
that
we
serve
that
have
aged
out
of
the
foster
care
system,
so
they're
18,
19
20.
We
provide
three
years
of
additional
support
for
those
youth
that
age
out.
They
don't
have
a
lot
of
stable
adults
in
their
lives
to
help
teach
them
the
soft
skills
for
how
to
get
a
job,
and
that's
really
what's
missing
with
this
population
of
youth.
O
So
what
this
project
would
be
is
called
the
rooftop
gardens,
and
so
it's
a
social
entrepreneurial
business
which
would
be
to
hydroponic
farms,
which
would
be
made
out
of
refurbished
shipping
containers
on
the
roof
of
this
project
and
we've
partnered
with
hi
V
who's
agreed
to
purchase.
All
the
produce
that
we
grow
at
a
set
price,
so
we
will
keep
it
very
small,
so
they
would
like
it
said:
there's
no
residential
housing.
With
this.
It's
a
business,
that's
going
to
be
operated
from
Monday
to
Friday
traditional
business
hours,
so
9:00
to
5:00.
O
No
weekend's
no
evenings
just
a
standard
business
on
this
kind
of
commercial
district
along
Euclid,
and
so
what
we're
gonna
have
is
roughly
three
to
four
employees.
That
will
help
with
like
soft
skills,
training
and
workforce
training,
with
the
youth
that
we
work
with
and
then
we'll
have
for
youth
that
are
in
this
program
at
any
one
time.
So
the
most
the
number
of
people
that
we'll
have
in
that
building
on
average
is
roughly
eight
and
the
most
participants
of
our
programs.
That'll
be
on-site,
are
four.
It's
ideal
for
us
from
a
location.
O
Standpoint
is
right
along
the
bus
line
on
Euclid,
it's
right
connected
with
high
V
directly
across
the
street,
and
it's
perfect
for
the
use
that
we
have.
We
had
looked
at
some
other
sites
and
other
locations,
the
load
factor
of
the
shipping
containers.
The
shipping
containers
come
from
a
group
out
of
Boston
called
freight
farms,
so
they're
fully
retrofitted
hydroponic
farms
that
will
grow
over
a
thousand
plants
a
week
that
will
harvest
fresh
basil
and
thyme
in
one
container
and
romaine
heads
a
lettuce
in
the
other.
O
There
is
no
way
to
use
existing
structures
from
a
load
standpoint.
You
really
need
to
build
ground-up
construction
to
be
able
to
ascertain
and
be
able
to
have
this
on
the
roof.
We
had
originally
looked
at
our
downtown
facility
for
this
project
and
it
was
cost
prohibitive,
and
so
we've
raised
1.8
million
dollars
for
this
project,
which
will
would
be
going
in
and
looking
at
the
rezoning
and
then
looking
at
the
construction
later
this
year
with
the
youth
that
we
serve.
O
It's
really
soft
skills
training,
so
a
lot
of
class
time,
where
you're
learning
how
to
manage
your
yourself
and
in
a
workplace
setting
how
to
function
with
your
supervisor
communication
skills
and
really
it
isn't
for
you
to
be
able
to
get
into
kind
of
that.
The
agriculture
component,
even
though
this
is
Iowa-
and
we
are
agriculture-
this
is
using
agriculture
as
a
vehicle
for
workforce
training.
The
building
and
the
program
is
self-sufficient.
So
once
it's
up
and
running
it'll
generate
a
positive
cash
flow
for
our
agency.
We
won't
need
any
other
additional
funds
to
operate.
O
The
plants
that
we
sell
to
hyvee
will
generate
the
cash
flow
to
support
the
youth
in
the
program
and
the
staffing
as
well
and,
like
we
had
said
it
was
zoned
commercial
a
couple
months
ago,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
concept
cause.
It's
allowed
us
to
connect
with
some
of
the
neighborhoods,
so
we
did
have
a
public
meeting
folks
from
Douglas
Acres
as
well
as
Franklin
Park.
Our
Fairmont
Park
also
came
to
that
meeting.
O
We
do
have
some
individuals
that
were
a
little
concerned
about
visibility,
I
think
our
projects,
two-story,
and
so
the
house
directly
behind
us
was
worried
that
maybe
someone
could
see
into
that
space.
We
tried
to
address
that
by
reiterating
that
it's
only
during
work
hours,
Monday
to
Friday,
nine-to-five
and
also
it's
seasonal,
so
for
the
rooftop
element
you
won't
be
outside
when
it's
wintertime,
the
shipping
containers,
you
will
access,
you
can
kind
of
see
from
the
picture
you
will
access
from
the
second-floor
mezzanine
on
the
inside.
O
So
when
there's
snow
outside
you
won't
be
going
outside
on
the
roof
and
looking
down,
and
so
it's
just
something
that
we're
trying
to
build
something
to
be
part
of
the
neighborhood
I'm
part
of
the
north,
again
neighborhood
I'm
part
of
that
Neighborhood
Association.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
put
a
project
in
here
that
the
neighbors,
don't
alike,
so
we're
trying
to
alleviate
some
of
those
concerns
and
it's
an
ongoing
process.
O
I
think
we
have
to
prove
ourselves
to
the
neighborhood
and
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
we're
trying
to
build
just
a
business
component
in
a
commercial
area,
but
also
it's
a
reason
why
we
went
for
that
transition.
Zoning.
Knowing
we
didn't,
want
the
high-density
commercial
aspect.
We
wanted
that
transition
because,
knowing
that
there's
residential
that
abuts
right
up
next
to
it,
the
questions.
F
P
Have
to
wait:
okay,
good
well,
I
was
just
kind
of
wondering
if
everybody's
awake,
you
know,
I
didn't
realize
it
when
I
got
here
a
little
after
6:00
that
that
it
goes
that
long
good
evening,
my
name
is
Jeff.
Whitty
I
live
at
2501
Morton
Avenue
here
in
Des,
Moines
I
am
president
Fairmont,
Park,
Neighborhood,
Association
Toby
came
and
talked
at
our
meeting.
It
was
Tuesday
the
February
11th
and
he
did
a
very
eloquent
job
talking
and
so
forth
and
after
he
had
got
done
with
his
with
his
speech
and
so
forth.
P
We
had
some
people
that
wanted
to
discuss
this
and
most
of
the
problems
there's
three
things
that
they
needed
to
be
concerned
about.
First
one
is
the
privacy
I,
don't
think,
there's
anybody
here
that
would
well
matter
of
fact.
I
want
you
to.
Let's,
let's
show
you
this
this
this
this
residents
here
they've
got
a
for
sale,
sign
in
front
of
their
house
right
now,
so
anybody
that
would
love
to
move
in
next
to
this
please
come
and
put
a
bid
in
for
this.
P
P
If
they
are,
they
got
thicker
skin
than
I
got
I
can
tell
you
and
the
residents
they
just
don't
like
feeling
eyes
coming
down
on
I
know
it's
only
9:00
to
5:00,
but
that
that's
when
people
are
out
when
it
when
they,
when
they're,
not
working
they're
out
during
the
day
on
Monday
through
Fridays,
with
their
kids
in
their
backyards,
they
all
have
privacy
fences
up.
They
put
privacy
fences
around
there,
so
you
know
they
want
privacy,
but
this
is
going
to
just
disrupt
that
privacy.
For
the
second
thing
is
the
expansion
I.
G
P
Is
that
Shawn
this
this
area
right
here
is
for
future
expansion?
Well,
don't
know
what
the
future
expansion
future
expansion
is.
Don't
know.
These
are
questions
that
these
residents
have.
Could
it
be
that
they're
going
to
I,
don't
build
something
else?
There
want
to
build
something
else,
and
if
you
look
at
the
parking
here,
the
parking
space
is
but
right
up
against
right
up
against
their
property.
P
So
this
is.
This
is
stuff
that
that
residents
on
each
side
look
at
now.
This
is
their
homes.
This
is
where
they
spend
all
their
money
all
their
time.
And
the
third
thing
is:
these:
are
men
they're,
not
youth,
youth
are
in
anyone
under
17
is
considered
a
youth
18
to
24.
These
are
men
and
I'm
telling
you
something
you
got
young
kids
and
you
got
you
got
men
running
around.
It
could
be
a
possibility.
P
Things
could
happen,
especially
if
they
can
look
over
the
fence
at
you,
I'm
not
saying
that's
gonna
be
done,
but
that's
concerns
of
the
residents.
I
spent
Sunday
walking
around
Wedgwood
Drive
and
that's
what
this
is
called
Wedgwood
drive
down
here
talking
with
the
people
that
were
where
at
home
and
their
concerns
were
the
same
concerns.
P
Okay,
they're
going
to
have
a
three
month-
rotation
of
students
in
here
all
right,
so
every
three
months
there's
going
to
be
new
students,
new
men
coming
in
and
it
and
to
teach
him,
but
there's
it's
always
going
to
be
a
revolving
thing.
Well,
we
know
we
don't
we
don't
know
what
the
background
of
these
students
are.
I
have
no
idea.
If
the
residents
don't
have
any
idea,
it's
going
to
be
a
very
tough
sell
to
the
residents.
P
P
Nobody
wanted
it
if
you,
if
you
go
residential
and
let
the
and
let
maybe
I,
don't
know,
there's
all
kinds
of
Builders
out
there
I
think
it's
183
feet
across
I
think
you
have
to
have
60
feet
in
order
to
that's
three
plots
of
land
there
that
could
be
on
the
tax
could
stay
on
the
tax.
This
is
a
non-profit.
If
this
gets
on
guess
what
taxes
are
gone,
you
know
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines
every
time,
I,
listen
to
the
mayor
and
all
the
City
Council.
What
do
they
say?
P
We
only
have
fifty
percent
of
the
property
that
we
can
pay
to
do
what
we
bring
in
taxes.
So
this
is
another
thing
that
would
happen
also
on
the
east
side,
if
you
look
at
on
Euclid,
we
have
an
empty
building.
It
was
the
old
QuikTrip
which
is
down
just
west
of
the
freeway
on
Delaware.
We
have
empty
buildings,
we
have
a
Bauer
built,
moved
out.
There's
a
heating
and
cooling
building
that
moved
out.
These
are
all
buildings
that
they
that's
already
zoned.
It
just
makes
sense
to
to
do
these
buildings
they're
there.
P
You
don't
have
to
do
anything
one
more
minute,
okay,
comments!
Well,
I!
Guess
I
can't
get
it
all
done
in
one
minute,
but
the
only
thing
that
I
can
I
can
say
is.
These
are
the
reasons
Fairmount
Park
Neighborhood
Association
opposes
this
I
think
if
it
was
something
somewhere
else.
If
it
was
a
in
a
commercial
area
where
it's
already
there,
we
would
love
to
have
it
in
our
in
our
things.
So
I
guess
I'm
asking
you
tonight.
Please
turn
this
down.
P
Don't
have
these
residents,
you
know
these
residents
paid
between
250
$250
to
$300
a
month
on
property
tax.
Okay,
that's
a
lot
of
money
and
what
now
you're
gonna
move
this
in,
where
they're
gonna
have
ice
coming
over
them,
not
knowing
the
people
who's
going
to
be
there
and
not
knowing
about
the
expansion
I'm
asking
you
tonight
to
turn
this
down.
P
Take
it
back
to
the
drawing
board
because
it's
it
isn't
gonna
work
the
way
it
is
right
now
so
and
one
other
thing
is
I
appreciate
all
your
time.
You
guys
you
are
you
guys
taking
nodoz
tonight
or
something
because
I'll
tell
you
what
you
call
look
pretty
much
awake.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
for
hearing
me.
Q
Q
The
questions
I
have
on
this
property
is
I,
don't
see
anything
I,
just
I
understand
it's
preliminary,
but
with
the
neighbors
living
right,
but
against
this
I'm
sure
you're
gonna
have
lighting
in
the
parking
lot.
They're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
water.
Runoff
I
know
is
another
concern.
As
far
as
once
you
start
paving
things
water's
gonna,
run.
Different
places
of
the
expansion
area.
Q
I
know
was
a
real
concern
and
personally
I
would
like
to
see
some
kind
of
buffer
as
far
as
trees
or
something
put
on
the
south
side
of
the
property
and
on
the
east
side
of
it
property.
If,
in
fact,
you
do
approve
this,
we
had
a
cell
tower
there
at
the
water
tower
in
our
neighborhood
they're,
taking
the
tower
off
of
the
water
tower
itself
and
they're
wanting
to
put
a
new
one
in
and
the
requirements
for
that
was
they
had
to
have
shrubbery
up
around
us.
He
couldn't
have
that
eyesore.
Q
I
would
say
that
would
be
a
requirement
and
a
two-story
building
in
that
area
is
kind
of
how
to
place
it's
true.
There's
residents
on
Euclid
like
that.
It
is
somewhat
unusual,
but
if
you
go
on
over
from
second
Avenue
on
West,
you
have
a
residence
right
there
on
Euclid
there
too,
so
it's
not
there's
a
little
bit
of
mix
there,
but
I'm
not
real
sure.
This
is
the
thing
we
want
in
that
area
and,
like
Jeff
had
said,
there's
a
lot
of
empty
buildings
and
properties
around
our
neighborhood.
Q
O
It's
interesting
because
the
the
public
meeting
that
we
have
and
with
the
two
neighborhood
associations
that
kind
of
straddle
this
parcel,
Douglas
acres
on
one
hand,
is
fully
supportive,
so
they're
signed
the
card
that
they're
supportive,
their
vice
chair,
said.
I
wish.
You
would
put
this
next
to
my
house,
because
we
have
these
apartments
that
are
next
door,
so
I
have
one
neighborhood
fully
supportive
of
this.
Then
I
have
one
neighbor
of
the
hood
that
that
isn't,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a,
but
we
still
want
to
make
sure
we
address
that
neighborhood
as
well.
O
What
I'm
trying
to
address
two
neighborhoods?
It
makes
it
even
a
little
bit
more
more
complicated
and
have
had
good
meetings
with
Linda
Westergaard.
It's
in
her
district
she's
extremely
supportive
of
this
project
and
sees
the
vision
for
what
this
could
be
in
this
space,
but
I
think
we
can
address
privacy.
We
can
address
the
parking
encroachment
a
little
bit
and
see
if
we
can
work
on
some
of
those
solutions.
So
Alan's
going
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
that.
R
Thank
You,
Alan,
being
ending
with
Simonson
in
associates
just
to
touch
on
a
couple
of
the
items
that
were
brought
up.
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
on
the
privacy
issue
a
couple
different
things.
Actually,
the
the
contours
that
you
see
on
this
site
plan
are
two-foot
interval,
contours
and
the
site
Falls
to
the
north
and
to
the
east.
So
this
being
the
low
point
of
the
site,
our
proposed
building
elevation
is
likely
to
be
associated
with
this
contour
right
here.
R
So
when
you
count
the
contours
back
to
these
homes
back
here,
they
are
about
ten
feet
higher
than
the
elevation
of
our
building.
So
if
you
consider
a
floor
to
floor
height
of
fourteen
feet,
that
upper
patio
might
be
fourteen
feet
above
Euclid,
but
that's
essentially
only
going
to
be
about
four
feet
above
these
homes
that
are
to
the
south,
so
that
works
in
our
favor.
The
second
thing
that
works
in
our
favor
is
the
unusual
depth
of
these
residential
homes.
R
R
We've
done
what
we
can
with
the
site
to
acknowledge
the
neighborhood
by
pulling
the
intensity
of
our
use
is
both
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
toward
the
parking
comment.
We
acknowledge
that
we
have
a
few
extra
spaces
than
what's
required
by
code.
I.
Think
I
think
we
would
be
willing
to
reduce
our
parking
number
to
the
code
requirement
or
down
to
20
spaces
that
would
that
would
effectively
eliminate,
perhaps
those
six
spaces
which
would
pull
us
away
from
that
South
property
line,
another
27
feet
and.
R
Terms
of
landscaping,
obviously
we're
going
to
follow
the
code
requirements
and
we
can
certainly
concentrate
some
of
that
landscaping
along
that
south
border
and
the
East
border
to
help
mitigate
some
of
that
with
our
trees
and
shrubs
and
evergreens
lighting.
Similarly,
we
would
be
following
the
code
with
cut
off
fixtures
that
wouldn't
spill
over
the
property
lines.
No
I
think
there's
definitely
some
design
things
that
we
can
do
to
address.
Some
of
these
concerns
I
think.
O
Also
with
the
population
that
we
serve
so
roughly
60%
of
the
youth
that
age
out
of
foster
care
that
we
work
with
are
young
women,
so
this
isn't
just
men
that
we're
working
with
and
your
brain
isn't
fully
developed
until
you're
25.
So
these
are
young
kids
that
are
18
19
20
that
just
need
a
hand
up
in
life
and
we
want
them
to
be
self-sufficient.
O
We
want
them
contributing
back
into
our
community
they're,
not
violent
they're,
not
criminals,
they're,
just
youth
that
lost
the
lottery
of
life
of
being
born
with
a
family,
that's
unstable,
so
we're
trying
to
help
them
get
back
on
their
feet
and
help
them
be
self-sufficient,
and
it
is
a
population.
That's
that
needs
assistance,
but
they're,
not
violent
and
they're,
not
dangerous,
and
about
sixty
percent
are
women
that
we
work
with.