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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, Oct. 15, 2020.
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B
Now,
maybe
you
can
hear
me
now,
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
Yeah
kimberly
comment.
Comment
was
a
good
one
and
kind
of
how
the
board
I
just
reiterate
a
little
bit.
We
are
obviously
very
early
in
the
process
and,
as
eric
said
in
his
presentation,
it's
you
know
a
concept
at
this
point.
B
We
do
want
to
make
sure
and
and
collect
as
many
as
much
feedback
as
we
can
on
on
what
people
hope
to
see
and
incorporate
as
much
as
we
can,
depending
on
you
know
the
city
of
des
moines
requirements
once
we
get
further
along
in
the
pro
the
process
etc.
B
But
my
point
is
just
we
appreciate
the
comments
that
we
have
got
regarding
aesthetics
traffic
flow
and
all
these
things
will
be
considered
just
you
know
at
the
appropriate
time
down
the
road,
so
they
are
being
noted
and
are
being
thought
about
and
will
be
considered,
and
we
appreciate
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
have
a
number.
C
C
C
Well,
no,
I'm
just
really
concerned
about
the
entrance.
It's
gonna
take
out
four
three
or
four
spaces
right
on
the
street
that
we
fought
so
strong
to
keep
not
that
long
ago
and
not
only
affects
me,
but
it
affects
the
other
businesses
along
that
strip
that
rely
on
that
street
parking.
C
It's
also
going
to
basically
has
the
entrance.
You
know
coming
right
in
front
of
my
store,
so
I'm
concerned
about
the
in
and
out
it's
a
narrow
street
of
traffic
going
the
other
way
and
whether
that's
the
best
place
for
the
entrance.
If
this
is
a
walking,
neighborhood
and
you're
going
to
have
people
walking
right
past
the
store
not
seeing
cars
coming
and
going,
especially
with
the
drive
through
going
and
crossing
a
lane
to
get
out
and
another
lane
coming
in.
A
Okay,
thank
you
appreciate
that,
mr
pritchard.
Do
you
want
to
address
those.
A
B
Uh-Huh,
thank
you
never
know
if
it's
getting
unmuted
yeah
dave
and
I
spoke,
and
our
those
comments
have
been
you
know
talked
about
internally
tim,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
jump
in
here
too,
I
feel
more
than
welcome
and
I
think
we're
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
how
we
can
get
a
couple
of
these
spaces
back
and
we're
open
ideas
on
how
to
do
that.
Because
I
mean
you
look
at
beaver
drive
and
where
the
access
sits.
B
Now
with
the
u.s
bank
building
up
to
where
compared
to
what
we,
where
we
want
it
I
mean,
maybe
there's
maybe
there's
some
way
we
can
get
some
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
entrance.
I
know
that
doesn't
alleviate
it
fully,
but
maybe
that
gets
us
back
one
or
one
or
two
stalls
depending
on
the
proximity
to
the
intersection
and
we're
just
trying
to
think
out
loud
on
this
and
any
other
feedback
or
tim.
What
you,
what
you
think
would
be
appreciated
thanks.
D
Yeah,
this
is
tim
west
again
with
snyder
and
associates.
Can
you
hear
me
uh-huh?
We
were
asked
by
kobe
and
fairway
to
take
a
closer
look
at
the
amount
of
stalls
that
we're
impacting
along
beaver.
D
We
are
extending
a
driveway
return
towards
the
south,
which
would
be
close
to
the
property
line.
When
we
look
at
that
from
from
a
signage
standpoint,
what
the
existing
condition
is
right
there
looks
like
there
may
be
one
stall
that
gets
removed
to
the
south
in
front
of
the
music
store.
D
There
is
an
existing
driveway
in
that
loc
in
that
area
and
we
we
are
intending
to
widen
it
but
again
to
kobe's
point.
We
will
be
working
on
addressing
all
of
these
comments
from
the
local
residents
and
and
the
adjacent
business
owner
here.
Our
main
concern
is
to
maintain
the
mural
that's
along
on
that
along
that
building
and
to
provide
access
with
vehicles
and
try
to
balance
that
out.
D
A
Okay
time
to
close
the
public
hearing,
discussion
from
the
commission.
F
This
is
francis
bogga
speaking
as
a
resident
of
beaver.
Dela
applaud
fairway
coming
into
the
neighborhood
with
this
unique
meat
market
concept,
and
I
think
it's
exciting
and
I
think
fairway
has
demonstrated
the
hearing
that
they're
open
to
having
input
from
the
neighbors,
including
the
adjacent
property
owner.
F
So
I
think
this
is
a
tremendous
asset
and
I
think
we
should
adopt
this
zoning
change
to
take
the
first
step.
G
Madam
chair,
this
is
greg,
I'm
also
in
support
of
this
project.
In
support
of
this
rezoning.
G
I
also
have
some
similar
concerns
of
some
others
that
we
can
address
when
the
site
plan
comes
back
through
the
need
and
whether
or
not
there's
justifies
having
a
drive-through
and
then
the
associated
issues
with
the
potentially
with
the
drive-through,
the
architecture
and
some
other
things.
But
overall-
and
you
know
they're
here
for
rezoning
and
I'm
in
support
of
that.
I
I
I
H
I
A
Item
number
eight
drake
university,
represented
by
michelle
huggins
vicinity
of
2421
forest
avenue
to
review
and
approve
the
following.
J
Sure,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines
before
you
tonight,
is
a
series
of
five
requests
that
all
really
work
to
the
same
goal
and
that
is
to
create
a
4.3
acre
parcel
that
is
owned,
p2
district,
which
would
allow
for
drake
and
the
des
moines
public
schools
to
potentially
build
a
soccer
stadium.
When
I
say
potentially
that
means
that
this
rezoning
is
just
the
first
step
of
a
multi-step
process,
the
p2
requires
a
conditional
use
for
any
soccer
or
any
like
assembly
or
entertainment
use.
J
So
if
the
rezoning
is
approved,
their
next
step
would
be
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment
to
get
that
conditional
use,
and
then
it's
also
highly
likely
that
the
site
plan
for
the
stadium
will
need
some
type
2
design
alternatives.
So
the
site
plan
might
be
backed
before
you
for
final
approval.
Before
all
is
said
and
done
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
these
five
parts.
J
The
first
is
for
vacation
of
25th
street
between
clark
street
and
forest
avenue
and
then
also
vacation
of
the
north
south
alley
within
that
block
immediately
to
the
east
event,
and
then
part
b
is
to
determine
whether
the
rezoning's,
in
conformance
with
the
comprehensive
land
use
plan.
Part
c,
is
to
amend
portions
of
the
land
use
plan
so
that
the
rezoning
can
be
found
compatible
and
part
d
is
to
rezone
about
so
that
it's
no
longer
within
the
drake
university
recreation.
Pud,
then
part
e
is
to
rezone
those
4.3
acres
to
p2.
J
And
then
this
is
just
showing
where
the
city's
comprehensive
land
use
plan
needs
to
be
amended
right
now
the
northern
portion
here
is
designated
as
residential,
so
it's
a
cleanup
to
designate
it
as
a
public,
private
use
and
then
down
here
along
forest
avenue.
That's
just
changing
it
from
a
commercial
corridor,
designation
to
a
semi-public
semi-public
use.
J
Then
here
are
the
areas
that
are
being
rezoned,
and
I
know
it
looks
busy,
but
generally
this
area
here
is
the
existing
drake
university,
recreation,
pud
and
they're.
Removing
this
area
right
here
from
that
pud
and
then
they're
rezoning
that
portion
as
well
as
this
strip
of
parcels
along
24th
street
to
the
p2
district.
J
And
I'm
not
going
to
focus
too
much
on
this
site
plan,
since,
as
I
mentioned,
the
site
plan
will
be
subject
to
future
review
and
approval.
It's
not
up
for
review
tonight,
but
you
can
see
the
general
layout
would
be.
It
would
be
immediately
to
the
east
of
the
shivers
basketball
practice
facility.
J
J
And
as
part
of
that
traffic
study,
they
had
to
take
a
look
at
the.
They
did
a
parking
analysis,
so
you
can
see
here
they
did
an
analysis
of
all
the
off
street
parking
that
is
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
This
dashed
line
here
is
the
quarter
mile
radius,
but
you
can
see
that
within
about
750
feet,
there
are
several
large
off-street
parking
areas,
and
so
the
traffic
study
found
that
the
off-street
parking
I
should
be
able
to
accommodate
the
proposed
use.
J
And
then
the
traffic
study
also
looked
at
whether
or
not
the
existing
street
network
could
accommodate
the
loss
of
that
segment
of
25th
street,
and
it
was
the
finding
of
the
or
the
conclusion
of
that
traffic
study
that
we
go
to
that
page.
J
That
conclusion
number
two
or
I'm
sorry
conclusion
number
three
is
that
the
vacation
of
the
north
south
segment
of
25th
street
would
have
minimal
adverse
impacts
on
the
network
operations
in
that
area.
J
All
right.
So
now,
moving
on
to
the
staff
report,
we
did
feel
that
the
rezoning
is
appropriate.
We
feel
that
this
area
on
the
surrounding
street
network
can
accommodate
the
traffic
for
the
stadium
being
on
the
fringe
of
a
major
college
campus.
We
feel
that
this
is
an
appropriate
location
for
the
soccer
stadium.
J
As
you
all
know,
the
knapp
center
basketball
facility
and
the
drake
stadium
football
and
track
stadium
right
there
all
would
operate
at
different
times
of
the
year,
like
football
would
mostly
be
in
the
fall
basketball
in
the
winter
and
then
soccer
in
the
spring.
J
J
J
J
J
Clark,
another
angle-
and
this
is
looking
straight
north
from
clark-
I
just
point
out
that
this
a
new
stadium
would
displace
a
125
stall
parking
lot,
all
right,
and
so
now
I'll
I'll
slowly
go
through
these
comment
cards.
I'll
leave
these
up
here.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
for
me,
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
ask.
J
Sure
sure,
and
and
as
I
flip
through
these
I'll
be
I'll
point
out-
that
a
lot
of
the
concerns
with
especially
within
the
letters
and
emails
have
to
do
with
the
the
des
moines
public
schools
choice
to
spend
the
money
on
this
project
and
that
really
isn't
up
for
consideration.
Today,
that's
more
of
an
issue
for
the
des
moines
public
school
board.
A
That's
a
good
point
for
that.
We're
we're
not
going
to
discuss
whether
or
not
there
should
be
a
stadium,
we're
talking
about
we're
going
to
stick
to
these
items.
J
Yeah,
so
here's
the
com
for
the
consent,
map
of
the
cards
that
we
received
and
then
now
I'm
going
to
flip
through
about
17
pages
of
emails
and
letters
that
we've
received
so
get
the
bear
with
me
and
again.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
now's
a
good
time
to.
J
J
J
J
J
J
K
This
is
matt
cohen,
with
rdg
planning
and
design
301
grand
avenue
in
des
moines,
we're
the
architect
on
the
project
and
there's
a
number
of
other
representati
representatives
of
the
project
on
the
call
tonight
as
well.
Those
include
jason
bloom,
who
is
responsible
for
the
site
from
a
design
standpoint
with
rdg
planning
and
design
as
well.
We
have
michelle
huggins
with
the
university
architect
at
drake
university
and
bill
good
with
des
moines.
Public
schools
is
on
the
call
as
well.
There
might
be
others.
K
I
can't
see
the
participant
list
so
we're
available
for
questions.
I
think
bert
did
a
really
nice
job
of
providing
the
overview
of
the
project.
K
It
is
a
4
000
seat
stadium
in
the
long
run,
but
as
he
mentioned,
this
is
really
just
step,
one
to
talk
to
speak
to
rezoning,
as
well
as
the
vacation
of
both
25th
street
and
the
alley,
so
so
just
to
stay
focused
on
those
those
areas
would
be
our
request.
K
We
are
available
for
questions
along
the
way
would
like
to
to
thank
the
the
members
of
the
commission
for
taking
up
this
item
this
evening
and
and
the
staff
for
for
working
hard
over
the
last
month
or
so
reviewing
the
item
with
us.
A
L
L
L
L
To
reiterate,
closing
25th
street
takes
away
frequent
travel
route
by
bike
and
car
and
to
limited
access
that
27th
street
already
has
between
forest
and
hickman
road.
A
M
It's
showing
that
his
microphone
is
not
functioning
so
there
it
is
now
he
would
have
to
unmute
by
star
six.
If
he's
on
a
phone.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
dan
pardock.
I
live
at
4118,
lower,
beaver
road.
N
O
N
Okay,
I'll
do
my
best.
Is
that
any
better.
N
Okay,
I
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulties.
I
do
want
to
just
touch
on
a
couple
things.
I
understand,
and
I
appreciate
your
clarification-
that
this
meeting
is
focused
on
the
on
the
actual
part
of
land
itself,
not
can't.
P
N
Okay,
I
understand
that
you
want
to
stay
away
from
the
financial
aspect
of
the
stadium
and
that's
the
what
the
majority
of
my
letters.
N
Pertain
to,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
just
a
couple
things
then,
as
far
as
the
use
of
the
stadium
itself,
I
understand
that
gentlemen
previously
talked
about
football
in
the
fall
soccer
in
the
spring.
N
N
With
their
fans,
along
with
their
marching
band,
their
support
staff,
I
feel
that
the
ability
for
the
parking
lots
and
the
streets
currently
aren't
able
to
handle
that
type
of
traffic.
Also,
the
drake
soccer
team
will
be
using
this
stadium
in
the
fall
for
their
games,
so
we've
got
more
activity
then,
and.
L
N
Moving
into
the
spring
you're
dealing
with
not
only
high
school
soccer,
but
also
middle
school
soccer,
as
well
with
that
stadium
being
used
practically
every
night
and
weekends
as
well
for
practices.
I
don't
feel
that
the
people
living
in
that
neighborhood
around
those
streets
would
appreciate
that
extra
traffic
and.
R
N
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
des
moines
public
schools
is
currently
under
litigation
regarding
not
calling
for
a
public
vote
on
this
stadium,
so
there
is
a
very
real
possibility
that
you
could
end
up
with
a
either
an
empty
plot
of
land
without
a
plan
to
build
a
stadium
on
it,
or
you
could
end
up
with
a
half
built
facility
that
is
then
voted
down
by
the
public
to
be
able
to
use
save
funds,
to
finish
up
the
construction
of
that
stadium
and
I'd
hate
to
see
drake
or
the
city
of
des
moines
or
dmds
be
faced
with
that
situation.
A
Okay,
I
thank
you.
I
I
I'm
having
trouble
hearing.
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
questions
for
dan
from
the
commission.
A
S
Hi,
sorry,
it's
actually
it
is
karen
harmon
corrin,
okay
corrine
address
please
1543
27th
street,
so
I'm
pretty
much
across
from
the
practice
field.
Okay,
I
also
have
the
traffic
concerns.
As
far
as-
and
I
noted
that
in
my
email,
but
during
the
larger
events,
I
people
pretty
much
park
wherever
they
please
and
there
is
a
lot
of
traffic
just
on
27th
in
general,
and
there
are
portions
that
get
blocked
off
during
these
larger
events
like
the
end
of
27th
straight
up
forest.
S
So
I
guess
that
would
be
primarily
what
I'd
be
concerned
about
just
with
all
these
roads
being
closed
around
like
it
had
been
noted
before
on
26
or
just
past.
Sorry,
the
the
one
that's
on
the
other
side
of
the
the
stadium
that
have
been
closed
off
already.
It
just
seems
like
this
is
kind
of
a
continuous
thing.
A
M
Chair,
madam
chair,
I
think
we
should
allow
the
yes
straight
group
to
have
a
rebuttal
if
they.
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
This.
This
is
matt
nguyen
again
and
thank
you
for
the
comments
that
we
we
heard
this
evening
we'll
take
those
under
advisement,
particularly
the
temporary
closures,
came
to
mind
on
the
on
27th
street.
That
is
something
we'll
have
to
look
into
for
the
future.
K
Drake
university
will
be
the
operator
of
this
facility
in
the
long
run
and
has
already
begun
the
strategizing
about
not
overloading
this
series
of
venues,
both
seasonally
and
on
a
night
by
night
basis.
So
it's
it's
highly
unlikely
that
we
would
see
that
type
of
scenario
where
you'd
have
a
full,
a
full
drake
stadium
and
a
full
soccer
stadium
on
the
same
night.
K
But
those
are
all
operational
issues
that
are
being
considered
concurrently
to
the
design
considerations,
so
very
good
feedback
from
the
group
there
in
terms
of
parking
demands
and
just
the
general
closure.
I
just
would
refer
back
to
the
traffic
study
and
analysis
that
was
completed
for
the
stadium,
that
that
resulted
in
recommendations
as
well.
That
was
on
page
39,
bert.
K
If
you
wanted
to
refer
back
to
that
on
on
whether
that
would
have
an
adverse
impact
in
the
long
run
and
then
as
well
as
the
the
parking
study,
the
number
of
cars
generated
by
this
facility
is
not
four
thousand
thousand.
It's
a
it's
about.
1200.
If
I
remember
correctly
from
this
report,
it's
in
the
details
of
the
report
as
well.
K
Most
of
those
cars
can
be
accommodated
within
a
quarter
mile
of
the
facility
and
we're
over
parked
when
you
take
that
half
mile
radius
from
the
facility
as
well.
So
those
are
those
are
some
outcomes
that,
where
we
are
at
this
early
stage
and
of
course,
we'll
continue
to
address
those
concerns,
as
the
design
continues
to
develop.
G
Well,
matt,
have
you
had
any
kind
of
public
engagement
sessions
with
the
immediate
neighborhood,
or
do
you
plan
in
the
future
to
do
that
and
then
the
second
question
is:
have
you
met
with
the
drake
neighborhood
board
or
I'm
sorry,
the
direct
neighborhood
association,
and
where
are
you
in
that
process.
K
Sure
so,
thanks
greg
good
question.
We
met
with
the
neighborhood
association
board
on
september.
9Th,
I
believe,
was
the
evening
and
presented
the
project.
K
Ryan
arnold
represents
drake
university
as
well
as
john
smith,
and
has
provided
regular
updates
on
this
project
on
a
month
by
month
basis,
but
our
formal
meeting
occurred
on
september
9th
then
in
terms
of
the
communication
with
immediate
neighbors.
That
would
be
a
question
that
I'd
have
to
defer
to
michelle
if
she's
available
or
ryan
arnold.
If
he
happens
to
be
on
the
call.
T
Michelle
huggins
1535
germania
drive
in
des
moines
the
correspondence
as
the
map
that
bert
showed
on
the
screen
of
letters
that
were
sent
out
to
neighbors.
In
addition
to
the
drake
neighborhood
association,
review
of
the
full
project
have
been
completed
today.
G
Hello
michelle,
this
is
greg
again.
I
drake
has
historically
done
a
fantastic
job
in
my
opinion
of
trying
to
integrate
into
neighborhoods
on
the
north,
south,
east
and
west.
So
I
expect
that
will
continue.
I
would
highly
encourage
you
to
actually
have
engagement
sessions
with
them.
Not
just
show
up
to
board
meetings
and
present
things.
You
know,
matt's
done
these,
I'm
sure
you
have
as
well,
but
actual
engagement
sessions
and
charettes
and
conversations.
G
I
love
going
deer
athletic
events.
I
don't
live
too
far
down
the
road
and
I
also
know
that,
no
matter
what
traffic
studies
say,
people
park
where
people
want
to
park,
so
I
understand
the
issues
and
I
also
understand
when
you
buy
a
home
near
a
stadium,
that
kind
of
comes
with
it
in
an
inner
urban
neighborhood.
But
my
point
is:
I
would
encourage
you
to
actually
have
charette
sessions
and
engagement
sessions
with
the
neighborhood.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
tyler.
I
G
I
I
I
I
M
Madam
chair,
this
is
eric
lendy
senior
city,
planner,
item
item.
Nine
is
a
request
from
first
baptist
church
of
urbandale
iowa.
I
believe,
pastor
mccoy
is
here
this
evening,
along
with
their
design,
professional,
roger
silver
who
who's
been
leading
the
review
on
the
site
plan
process,
administrative
site
plan
process.
This
was
reviewed
administratively,
based
on
that
administrative
review.
There
was
two
type,
two
design
alternatives
that
came
out
of
that
based
on
chapter
135.
M
This
property
is
zoned,
p2
same
same
as
the
zoning
you
were
just
considering,
which
is
primarily
what
you
would
see:
churches
throughout
the
city
zoned
and
they
own
additional
property,
and
as
soon
as
I
show
you,
the
map
you'll
see,
that's
that's
p2
that
they
want
to
develop
accessory
building
with
which
would
provide
in-house
offices
and
also
a
shop
for
their
buses
as
well.
So
they
have
a
number
of
buses
and
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that
their
operation,
but
the
main
design
alternatives.
M
They're
seeking
is
the
allowance
to
expand
their
on-site
parking
into
the
front
yard
along
east
38th
street,
which
would
not
be
in
the
rear
side
yard,
and
then
they
also
want
to
waive
the
requirement
for
the
primary
entrance
of
the
building
that
they're
proposing
to
be
not
on
the
primary
facade
of
whole
avenue.
So
they're
proposing
an
east
facing
entrance
to
a
driveway
that
would
connect
to
whole
avenue
from
the
site.
M
This
is
the
the
area
up
on
the
northeast
side,
whole
avid
hull
avenue
and
east
38th
street.
M
You
can
see
the
they
actually
own
additional
property-
that's
residents
over
here
on
east
37th
street,
but
the
site
is
limited
to
this
area
that
I'm
sort
of
tracing
here
with
the
main
church
and
then
previously
they
had
extended
parking
south
towards
hull.
This
is
the
area
they're
now
wanting
to
build
the
new
structure.
M
So
this
is
looking
west
from
east
38th
street
along
the
north
side
of
the
existing
church.
You
can
see,
there's
a
drive
entrance
there
to
the
right
and
it's
I
believe
they
pretty
much
operate
with
a
one-way
circulation
at
this
time,
but
that
that
will
be
changed
with
this
proposal.
M
M
This
is
the
reverse
perspective
of
the
same
area.
You
can
again
see
the
red
car,
but
looking
from
whole
avenue
north
at
the
church.
Building
and
you
do,
you
can
see
a
little
playground
equipment
to
the
right.
That's
actually
part
of
a
daycare
facility,
that's
at
the
corner
of
east
38th
and
hull,
and
there
you
see
a
little
bit
more
of
the
playground
for
that.
M
The
proposed
building
is
a
they're
using
the
workshop
warehouse
type,
which
is
a
permitted
building
type
in
the
p2
district.
I
think
that
they
chose
this
because
it
suits
the
functionality
of
what
they're
looking
to
accomplish
again.
M
M
Part
of
this,
I
believe,
is
due
to
the
grades
that
are
of
the
property
and
getting
an
accessible
access
to
their
building.
If
you
look
at
the
south
elevation
right
here,
you
can
see
that
the
floor
level
is,
is
much
higher
and
and
wouldn't
allow
an
accessible
entrance
without
building
up
the
site
fairly
extensively.
So
I
think
the
train
of
the
property
is
is
dictating
their
placement
of
their
entrance
to
some
extent
I'm
going
to
have
to
switch
over
to
the
site
plan.
M
M
So
if
you
can,
and
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
a
little
bit
and
and
roger,
can
hopefully
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
more,
but
this
is
the
building.
It's
a
gonna
set
right,
long
haul,
with
a
reasonable
setback.
M
The
parking
is
going.
They're
gonna
displace
some
parking
in
this
area.
You
can
see
the
overhead
doors
what
access
from
the
north,
I
believe
their
striping
parking
for
use
during
church
services
when
they
wouldn't
be
accessing
the
the
building
they're
proposing
a
drive.
Access
to
whole
avenue
would
allow
two-way
circulation,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
a
small
amount
of
landscaped
area
that
would
also
be
east
of
the
building
that
the
entrance
access
is
right
here
and
one
of
staff's
concerns
is:
if
we're
not
addressing
the
street
the
the.
M
Then
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
good
pedestrian
connectivity,
they
are
building
a
sidewalk
along
their
frontage.
At
this
point
it
doesn't
really
go
a
whole
lot
to
the
west.
So
if
we
went
back
to
the
aerial
photo-
and
I
can
show
you
that
they
would
you
know
it-
the
connectivity
is
really
only
to
the
east
by
the
daycare
at
this
point
in
time.
But
ultimately
the
idea
is
that
we
would
get
sidewalks
on
all
these
public
streets,
but
we
we
want
to
make
sure
they're,
showing
a
little
walk.
M
That
goes
out
to
the
drive,
it's
our
preference
as
staff
that
they
provide
this
a
connection
to
the
street
sidewalk
from
this.
Now
that
may
not
be
accessible
given
that
the
conditions,
but
it
would
be
an
option
and
then
they
would
still
have
be
able
to
run
their
accessible
entrance
to
the
north
to
get
to
their
parking
area.
But
it
would.
It
would
provide
some
more
pedestrian
connectivity
from
the
building
to
the
public
street,
which
is
really
the
intent
of
having
the
primary
entrance
to
the
to
the
public
street.
M
In
the
first
place,
I'm
going
to
sort
of
scroll
over
here
and
and
show
you
the
parking.
The
new
spaces
are
the
ones
that
are
in
in
the
dark
lined
area.
So
there
is
parking
that
that
goes
to
this
extent
right
now
on
their
south
driveway
heading
north
in
towards
the
building.
M
But
this
area
you
had
seen
in
the
photos
that
this
driveway
exists
probably
has
more
of
an
in
versus
an
out
and
then
they're
looking
to
to
show
a
one-way
circulation
that
would
leave
and
head
the
parking
in
towards
the
south
at
an
angle.
M
But
this
area
extends
and
then
they
would
add
some
perpendicular
spaces
to
the
drop
the
existing
driveway.
So
they
there's
about
five
or
six
spaces
that
really
get
in
front
of
the
front
of
the
building,
which
is
right
here.
M
So
staff
is
concerned
that
this
doesn't
really
meet
the
intent
of
the
code
and
these
aren't
absolutely
necessary
to
meet
their
minimum
parking
requirement.
So
staff
is
recommending
not
approving
the
design
alternative
which
would
allow
them
to
extend
this
parking
towards
east
38th
street.
M
M
Proposing
denial
of
the
type
2
to
allow
on-site
parking
within
the
front
yard
area
along
east
38th.
However,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
requested
type
design
alternative
and
that
should
say
type
2.
I
apologize
in
part
b
to
allow
the
primary
entrance
of
the
workshop
warehouse
building
to
be
located
on
the
east
non-street-facing
facade,
subject
to
provision
of
a
pedestrian
walk
connection
from
this
entrance
to
both
whole
avenue
public
sidewalk
and
to
the
on-site
parking
lot
to
the
north.
M
M
Is
there
anything,
let
me
know
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
see
anything
if
I
need
to
toggle
back
between
the
site
plan.
A
There,
okay,
please
state
your
name
and
your
address.
Please.
U
A
U
Ahead,
okay,
roger
silver
with
nillas
associates
at
1250,
southwest
state
street
in
ankeny
here
on
behalf
of
first
baptist
church
and
pastor
dan
mccoy,
I
believe,
is
listening
in
as
well.
U
We
appreciate
all
the
work
that
the
city
staff
has
done
with
us
on
this
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
it
quick.
The
we
the
east
entrance
on
the
new
building
is
really
intended
to
be
a
working
space
for
the
church
staff
for
conferences
to
work
on
buses,
and
so
that's
why
it's
also
important
that
that
the
entrance
is
the
proximity
is
to
the
existing
church.
U
So
we
we
believe
it's
also
appropriate
not
just
from
the
grade
standpoint,
but
also
from
a
proximity
to
the
existing
church,
and
we
are
certainly
willing
to
provide
a
sidewalk
to
the
south.
So
we
hope
that
we're
in
agreement
on
that
with
the
parking
dan
pastor
dan-
and
I
had
a
discussion
about
that.
We
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor
and
we
want
to
continue
to
work
with
the
city
on
this.
We
we
thought
we
needed
those
stalls
in
order
to
meet
our
requirements.
U
U
U
They
they
park
close
to
east
38th,
and
so,
whereas
we
realize,
on
the
north
side
of
the
site,
we're
up
against
residential
property.
So
if
we
need
to
pull
those
back,
we're
certainly
willing
to
comply
with
what
staff's
recommendations
are.
But
woodruff
did
want
to
at
least
point
out
that
those
stalls
are
important
to
the
church
because
they
also
are
in
proximity
to
the
main
entrance
and
so
provide
some
of
the
elderly
patrons
less
distance
to
walk
to
get
to
church.
And
so
we're
certainly
at
your
mercy
on
this.
U
And
if
you
say
no,
that's
we'll
proceed
and
understand
that.
But
we
we
would
at
least
like
to
see
if
there's
a
possibility
of
keeping
the
stalls
that
are
on
the
south
side
of
that
drive,
as
opposed
to
the
ones
in
the
front
of
the
the
north
side.
Because
again
it's
you've
already
got
cars
that
head
in
park
on
the
daycare,
so
it's
you've
already
got
vehicles
that
close
to
38th
directly
south
of
us.
So
with
that,
I
will
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
site
or
anything
for
you.
Thank
you.
M
V
Eric
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
okay,
roger,
I
think
I
think
you
and
I
sorry.
V
Oh
yes,
pastor
dan
mccoy
and
we're
the
owner
of
the
first
baptist
church,
30,
20,
east
38th
street.
V
V
I
was
looking
more
towards
trying
to
preserve
the
parking
on
the
north
side
of
the
church,
as
opposed
to
the
three
on
the
east
and-
and
the
reason
is,
is
because
we
we
would
like
to
get
our
members
from
having
to
park
on
east
37th
street
and
on
whole
coal
avenue
during
our
services,
and
most
of
the
parking
would
be
on
sunday
only
as
roger
stated,
grandview
daycare
has
parking
facing
very
close
to
east
38th,
and
I
what
I'm
looking
for
is
as
many
as
I
can
get
on
the
north
side,
not
not
necessarily
the
angled
ones.
M
So
you
want
to
retain
these
up
in
this
area,
these
three
that
would
extend
past
the
front,
but
not
these
aren't
as
critical
as
what
you're
saying
that's
correct,.
V
V
There
another
reason
is
because
we
have
a
sidewalk
on
that
north
side,
that
has
an
an
an
entrance
and
an
exit
and
and
that
we
we
would
like
to
park
the
staff
there
during
the
morning
services,
where
the
staff
parking
on
the
north
side
of
the
new
proposed
building
is,
and
so
we
like
to
park
the
staff
cars
there.
W
I
just
have
a
question:
I
want
to
clarify
that
the
parking
spaces
that
exist
right
now,
just
south
of
the
building
towards
east
38th
street,
that
those
are
not
going
to
exist
anymore,
yeah
sort
of
in
this
picture
where
it
looks
like
maybe
the
buses
are
parked
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
W
W
U
Yeah
this
is
roger
silver
again
and
that
those
stalls
do
exist
and
they
they
are
intended
to
stay
and
why
they
are
not
showing
up
as
striped
on
this.
Drawing
is
certainly
my
fault
and
apologize
for
that,
but
no,
they
are
intended
to
still
exist.
A
U
I
I
I
I
I
I
A
Item
number
10.,
quick
trip
corporation,
represented
by
jessica
glava.
The
subject:
property
is
owned
by
humphreys
fund
location,
1421,
ingersoll
avenue,
jason.
X
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
van
nessen
with
the
city's
planning
staff-
hopefully
you
can
see
my
screen
displayed
we're
reading
the
heading
there
so
just
take
that
step.
Further
part
b
is
a
determination
whether
or
not
the
rezoning
is
conformance
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
Then
part
b
is
the
request
to
rezone
the
subject
property
from
mx2
to
mx3,
to
allow
the
existing
fuel
station
to
have
the
ability
to
seek
a
conditional
use
permit
for
alcoholic
liquor
sales.
X
Let's
go
on
to
page
two.
Just
give
me
a
second
here,
ariel
identifying
the
subject:
property,
it's
on
the
north
side
of
ingersoll
avenue,
frontage
on
high
street
15th
street
and
14th
street,
so
kind
of
a
road
locked
property,
see
the
building
sits
on
the
western
part
of
the
site,
with
the
gas
canopy
to
the
east
kind
of
the
middle
of
the
property.
X
X
In
your
packet,
you
received
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
in
it
we
did
our.
You
know
typical
analysis.
Looked
at
the
zoning
in
the
area
evaluated
the
proposal
against
the
future
land
use
map,
just
a
couple
things
to
highlight.
In
the
second
section
of
the
report,
we
were
we
dialed
in
on
looking
at
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
do
believe
that
the
rezoning
can
be
found,
in
conformance
with
the
future
land
use
map
designation
of
downtown
mixed
use.
X
We
did
point
out
a
couple
things
that
led
us
to
offering
some
conditions
as
part
of
that
it
should
be
noted
that
mx3
district
has
some
industrial
uses
and
vehicle
cells
and
service
uses
they're
allowed
by
wright
that
are
either
prohibited
or
are
conditional
uses
in
the
mx2
and
dx
districts,
and
we
feel
that
you
know
any
consideration
of
this
rezoning
needs
to
account
for
that,
and
so,
as
I
get
into
the
staff
recommendation,
I'll
come
back
to
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
I
had
the
body
to
report
up.
X
We
also
included
information
on
the
conditional
use
review
process
in
the
report
noted
the
the
separation
requirement
and
the
need
for
a
variance
of
that
should
the
property
be
rezoned
and
should
the
applicant
move
forward
with
requesting
the
conditional
use
also
in
part
three
there.
You
can
see
kind
of
a
long
stretch
of
text,
but
this
is
the
criteria
that
the
board
of
adjustment
looks
at,
and
staff
looks
at
when
we
evaluate
an
application.
X
I
won't
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
on
it,
but
I
wanted
to
point
that
out,
because
tonight
we're
focusing
on
does
the
zoning
make
sense
from
a
broad
planning
perspective
is
in
conformance
with
the
future
land
use
map
the
question
on
whether
or
not
they
would
be
able
to
obtain
a
variance
and
a
conditional
use
approval?
X
Staff
is
recommending
approval,
but
we
are
offering
up
very
limited,
limiting
conditions
or
very
specific
conditions,
very
similar
to
other
requests
that
we
talked
about
tonight,
where
it
would
be
limited
to
the
use
of
the
ability
to
get
a
conditional
use
approval
from
the
board
for
liquor
sales,
with
the
balance
of
the
rest
of
the
uses
being
limited
to
those
that
are
allowed
in
the
mx2
district
and
and
as
regulated
by
the
mx2
district,
also
condition
2.
X
There
speaks
to
accessory
structures
and,
as
noted
for
the
fairway
project,
that's
where
we
regulate
drive-throughs
and
condition
number
two
would
actually
prohibit
the
ability
to
do
a
drive-through
on
the
property.
Should
it
be
redeveloped
in
the
future.
X
A
response
map
we
notify
everybody
within
250
feet
of
the
property
you
can
see.
The
inner
circle
is
the
200
foot
zone,
and
that
is
the
kind
of
the
radius
that
based
off
a
state
code,
dictates
the
super
majority
requirement
the
city
council,
which,
where
you
have
20
percent
of
more
opposition
within
that
notice
area
based
off
the
land
area.
X
If
it
exceeds
that
20
percent,
it
does
require
super
majority.
You
see
in
the
calculation
here
that
we
are
at
a
little
over
40
percent
represented
on
the
map.
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
properties
along
to
the
south
and
to
the
west
we
did
receive
correspondence
from
the
property
owner
of
those
properties.
The
the
letter
wasn't
signed
and
per
our
policy.
X
We
don't
reference
that
on
this
map
until
we
have
a
signature
pass
that
on
to
them
and
I'm
anticipating
getting
something
that
will
clear
that
up
for
them
prior
to
the
city
council
hearing,
so
we'll
have
that
updated.
For
that.
X
There
are
a
lot
of
responses.
I
will
do
I'll
try
to
flip
through
these
and
give
you
enough
time
to
see
them.
We
can
certainly
come
back
to
them,
but
I
want
to
try
balance,
respect
everybody's
time,
they're
available
to
be
revisited
so
any
point
that
you'd
like
me
to
circle
back.
Just
let
me
know
the
first
few
I
focused
on
adjoining
property
owner,
so
you
have
the
response
cards.
You
have
unity,
point
which
owns
property
to
the
north,
well
mark.
X
A
Okay,
so
because
this
is
fast
jason,
all
of
these-
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
All
of
these
are
in
opposition.
X
Q
A
Okay,
thank
you
is
the
applicant
here
online.
A
Okay,
I
see
a
hand
ben
bruner,
please
state
your
address.
A
R
Okay,
ben
brunner,
I'm
with
the
dickinson
law,
firm
699
walnut
street
here
in
des
moines
good
evening,
commissioners,
and
thanks
as
always
for
your
time
and
attention
thanks
to
city
staff
for
their
time
and
efforts
and
energy
on
this
application
as
well.
R
I'm
here
on
behalf
quick
trip,
as
is
jessica
glavis,
I
believe
she's
on
and
to
the
extent
you
need
any
specific
operational
answers
or
if
you
have
any
specific
questions,
she's,
probably
more
apt
and
better
better
able
to
handle
those
types
of
questions,
but
again
we're
here
for
the
store
located
at
1421,
ingersoll,
again
in
which
we
are
seeking
a
rezoning
from
mx2
to
mx3
classification,
which
will
allow
for
one
the
subsequent
ability
to
request
the
sale
of
liquor
from
the
store
and
two
the
flexibility
to
remodel
and
upgrade
the
current
store
as
well.
R
R
So
qt
is
currently
evaluating
internally
the
options
for
remodel
and
upgrade
of
this
site
to
a
new,
modern
aesthetic
and
we
hope
to
be
able
to
share
those
plans
in
the
near
future.
This
is
a
difficult
site
just
based
on
the
size
and
configuration.
R
So
again,
the
options
are
fairly
limited
in
that
respect,
but
we're
hopeful
that
we
can
get
something
in
place
that
everybody's
truly
excited
about
the
remodel
would
bring
with
it
like
all
the
new
remodeled
stores
throughout
the
metro,
expanded
fresh
food
options
again
an
updated
high
class,
modern
building
design
and
then
enhance
security
and
operational
functions
as
well,
and
this
would
be
another
huge
investment
and
commitment
by
qut
to
the
city
of
des
moines.
Just
like
the
rest
of
its
recently
redeveloped
stores
throughout
the
city.
R
I
bring
this
up
as
the
decision
to
invest
millions
of
dollars
in
a
store
upgrade
certainly
requires
some
internal
financial
review
of
the
store's
operations
and
a
minimum
current
and
future
anticipated
profitability
level.
In
order
to
justify
such
a
large
investment
and
in
light
of
the
kobe
19
pandemic
and
in
an
effort
to
adjust
and
ensure
profitability
for
particular
store
operations,
convenience
stores
need
to
explore
every
additional
income
generating
opportunity
during
these
challenging
times
in
which
there
has
been
a
decrease
in
retail
sales
and
fuel
sales
throughout
the
city
and
and
around
the
country.
R
The
current
economic
climate
and
the
maturation
of
the
development
in
this
area
is
very
different
than
2012.
When
qt
initially
entertained.
This
request-
and
I
think
both
factors-
they
are
the
change
in
the
environment
and
the
economic
climate
certainly
should
factor
in
here
weighing
heavily
in
granting
this
proposal
here
in
2020.
R
R
There's,
there's
gonna,
be
city
council
meetings
and
approvals
necessary
for
the
rezoning.
R
So
this
is
merely
the
first
step
in
a
in
a
long
process
that
would
last
two
to
three
months.
At
least
I
imagine
we
did
not
receive
any
written
or
oral
objections
to
this
request
from
any
neighbors
directly.
R
I
did
request
in
the
last
couple
days
any
responses
to
the
city
and
did
receive
a
number
of
the
objections
that
had
come
in,
so
we
have
had
an
opportunity
to
truly
discuss
this
with
neighbors,
just
based
on
the
fact
we
didn't
receive
any
correspondence
directly
outside
of
a
few
questions
from
the
neighborhood
groups,
which
we
answered
expeditiously
so
again,
with
this
kind
of
first
step
of
many
steps.
R
Here
we
invite
and
encourage
all
neighborhood
associations
neighbors
surrounding
businesses
to
reach
out
to
us,
so
we
can
have
a
truly
productive
conversation
and
address
any
concerns.
We're
an
open
book
here,
we're
reasonable
folk.
We
we're
a
corporate
citizen
in
this
neighborhood,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
obviously
we're
doing
the
right
thing
for
for
the
neighborhood,
the
employees
and
our
customer
base.
Certainly
so
again,
we
fully
embrace
that
as
the
process
moves
along
here,
hopefully
touching
quickly
on
kind
of
safety
mechanisms
and
operations.
R
They
incorporate
industry-leading
safety
procedures,
equipment
and
services
to
again
ensure
the
safest
and
most
responsible
operations
of
its
stores
and
again
the
neighborhoods.
They
serve
their
reputation
and
track
record
with
regards
to
the
sale
of
liquor
and
its
other
des
moines
stores
should
serve
as
further
evidence
of
the
company's
commitment
to
safe
and
responsible
operations
and
liquor
sales.
R
Allowing
the
sale
of
liquor
at
this
store
location
will
ensure
consistency
of
operations
and
offerings
throughout
the
stores
which
is
vital
for
any
business
again,
especially
during
these
these
challenging
times
and
then.
Finally,
I
do
just
want
to
note-
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
noted-
that
certain
other
convenience
store
competitors
of
qut
have
recently
sought
and
obtained
the
right
to
sell
liquor
most
notably
come
and
go.
R
So
I
thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
consideration.
I
think
city
staff
again
for
their
time
and
consideration.
I
think
the
neighbors
and
surrounding
businesses
for
their
their
comments
and
and
interest,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
with
all
parties
to
again
address
any
concerns
as
we
move
forward.
A
Okay,
sorry,
sorry,
I
just
saw
your
hand
up
okay,
anyone
else
who
wants
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
proposal.
A
Okay,
anyone
who
wants
to
speak
in
opposition
or
express
concerns,
and
I'm
looking
at
ryan
howell,
will
start
there
and
then
followed
by
scott.
Y
Thank
you,
madam
chair
ryan,
howell
831
16th
street.
Also
the
current
president
of
sherman
hill
association,
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
You
saw
the
long
list
of
letters
that
jason
scrolled
through
quickly.
I
hope
the
members
of
the
commission
have
a
chance
to
read
those
they're
thought
out
and
they're
very
thoughtful
and
also
heartfelt
of
people
who
live
and
work
in
this
area.
I
want
to
first
respond
to
a
couple
comments
like
qt
and
make
sure
that
everybody
understands.
Y
That's
clearly
this
conflicts
with
everything
you've
seen
in
all
these
letters,
and
I
think
you're,
seeing
a
fraction
of
the
letters
or
represent
a
fraction
of
the
people
that
I
spoke
to
that
are
very
angry
and
upset.
That
qt
would
even
think
to
make
this
request
to
try
to
make
this
move
with
respect
to
the
idea
that
this
is
part
of
a
larger
upgrade
plan.
Y
This
request,
frankly,
is
just
going
to
do
nothing
more
than
prey
on
the
most
vulnerable
members
of
our
community,
and
I
would
just
bring
up
the
adage
the
real
estate
adage.
This
is
location,
location,
location.
This
isn't
like
a
store
on
university
avenue
or
anywhere
else
in
town.
This
location
is
in
close
proximity
to
our
homeless,
shelters
and
our
homeless
camps,
long-term
homeless
camps
on
the
south
side
of
downtown,
and
those
are
customers
who
frequent
this
location
and
will
continue
to
frequent
this
location.
Y
There's
a
number
of
letters
that
have
been
submitted
to
you
that
speak
to
the
addiction
issues
and
this
community
and
how
this
will
be
impacted
by
having
accessible
alcohol
as
well
as
unity.
Point
speaking
about
how
they
will
imp
impact,
their
patients
and
their
treatment
center,
and
it's
also
in
close
proximity
to
our
neighborhood,
a
residential
neighborhood
that
sees
the
overflow
from
current
wine
and
beer
sales
and
it's
in
very
close
proximity
to
the
sculpture
park,
which
you
had
a
letter
from
the
director
of
the
arts
center
of
des
moines.
Y
You
know
a
crown
jewel
of
our
community,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
this
commission
consider
all
the
letters
in
the
input
here
regarding
this
request.
Being
you
know,
inconsistent
with
the
surrounding
area,
and
even
if
this
zoning
would
create
an
island
that
is
inconsistent
with
anything
around
it,
either
the
downtown
business
district
or
the
residential
neighborhood
immediately
to
the
north,
and
so
I
I
would
encourage
qt
to
consider
withdrawing
this
request
and
talking
to
its
neighbors,
because
people
were
very,
very
angry.
Y
Y
Neither
of
them
sell
liquor
and
there's
a
reason
for
that,
because
they
respect
the
area
and
the
nature
of
this
community
and
understand
that
that
would
be
a
very
negative
negative
change
and
affect
us
all
in
a
very
negative
way.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
and
considering
all
the
time
and
effort
that
the
neighbors
and
business
owners
put
into
contacting
this
commission
to
ask
you
to
turn
this
down.
Thank
you.
A
Sorry,
yes,
great
okay,
we
have
scott
and
then
jim
wine
and
then
jack
porter,
try
to
as
you
as
you
address
the
issues
try
to
point
out
a
different
perspective.
If
possible.
P
Thank
you.
My
name
is
scott
selicks
and,
and
I,
along
with
my
wife
owen,
lua
brewing
we're
located
at
1525
high
street,
which
is
essentially
caddy
corner
from
the
quick
trip
location
at
issue
here
and
and
we're
certainly
within
the
250
feet,
radius.
We
are
opposed
to
this
measure,
my
wife
and
I
opened
louis
brewing.
Last
november,
we
invested
our
life.
Q
P
Into
bringing
a
brewery
into
sherman
hill-
and
we
love
this
neighborhood
and
we
specifically
chose
sherman
hill
because
of
how
wonderful
the
community
is-
and
I
can
say
in
our
first
year
in
business,
we
faced
numerous
challenges
we
didn't
expect,
but
at
the
top
of
that
list
of
challenges
that
we
faced
has
been
having
to
walk
our
bartenders
out
to
their
car
every
night,
particularly
our
female
bartenders,
because
they're
asked
for
money
drugs
or
are
worse.
P
It's
coming
into
work,
we're
leaving
work
and
seeing
intoxicated
people
passed
out
on
our
porch
in
our
dumpster
corral
behind
our
building
or
seeing
human
feces
in
those
areas
as
well.
P
P
This
is
this
measure
we
believe
would
throw
flame
on.
What
is
a
problem
in
our
community?
That's
been
addressed
over
the
last
20
years
and
it's
getting
better.
I
think,
if
you
think
back
on
sherman
hill
20
to
30
years
ago
and
where
it
is
today,
it's
really
unbelievable.
P
The
growth
of
this
neighborhood
and
part
of
of
where
that
growth
has
come
from
is
is
increased
access
to
mental
health
services,
increased
resources
for
the
homeless
and
and
the
the
other
part
of
that,
though,
has
been
the
incredible
effort
of
people
to
invest
into
this
community
it.
The
growth
of
sherman
hill,
didn't
happen
by
accident.
It
happened
because
people
chose
to
move
back
to
sherman
hill
and
actively
work
to
eliminate
crime
and
delinquency.
P
P
It
took
a
lot
of
effort
to
get
the
neighborhood
to
this
point
and
I
think
approving
a
measure
like
this
would
throw
gas
on
on
a
flame
that
we've
been
trying
to
put
out
for
a
while.
If
you
look
at
the
feedback
of
the
neighborhood,
it
is
overwhelmingly
and
actually
unanimously
opposed
to
this
measure.
Every
single
piece
of
feedback
was
in
opposition
to
this
measure.
We
believe
this
is
in
no
one's
best
interest,
including
quick
trip.
I
that's
short-sighted.
P
I
see
that
they,
they
see
it
as
a
boost
to
their
bottom
line,
but
I
think
the
externality
that
the
results
of
this
will
be
will
be
tough
on
the
neighborhood.
In
response
to
a
couple
of
the
comments
from
mr
bruner,
they
met,
he
mentioned
to
go
cocktails
at
surrounding
bars.
P
Those
cocktails
number
one
are
expensive
and
they're,
not
conveniently
a
single
serve
bottles
that
that
people
can
go
in
and
pick
up,
and
it's
not
that
everyone
serves
those
that
little
brewing.
We
actually
choose
not
to
serve
liquor.
We
serve
only
wine
and
beer
because
we
recognize
that
serving
liquor
in
this
neighborhood
has
is
something
that
can
can
be
a
problem
and
more,
I
think,
a
bigger
point
to
address
is
something
he
said.
P
P
Every
single
person
in
the
neighborhood
was
behind
us.
We
had
nobody
that
opposed
our
motion
and
mr
bruner
easily
could
have
done
the
same
thing
he
could
have
come
to
us.
I
don't
think
it
would
have
been
hard
to
walk
across
the
street
to
hear
little
brewing.
I
spent
100
hours
a
week
here,
so
I'm
here
all
the
time
and
said:
hey.
Let's
talk
about
this
and
figure
out
how
we
can
do
this.
That
didn't
happen.
P
So
I
think,
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
we're
opposed
to
this,
and
I
know
I've
spoken
for
a
while.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Z
Can
you
hear
me,
jan
yes,
commission?
Members
of
the
commission?
My
name
is
jim
wine,
I'm
at
the
nightmaster
good
law,
firm,
700,
walnut
street.
I
represent
unity,
point
which
operates
iowa
methodist
medical
center,
which
is
directly
across
the
street
from
this
quick
trip.
Z
Unity
point
is
very
pleased
to
be
part
of
the
western
gateway
neighborhood,
which
has
seen
such
tremendous
growth
and
improvement
over
the
years
and
we're
very
pleased
to
be
part
of
it.
We
are.
Z
Z
Z
Z
They
deal
with
it
pretty
much
on
a
daily
basis.
You
have
a
letter
from
david
stark,
the
ceo
of
iowa
method
of
unity,
point
indicating
that
in
2019
they
had
158
documented
cases
where
the
security
of
the
hospital
had
to
respond
to
situations
in
its
south
parking
lot,
with
issues
of
vagrancy
generally,
people
that
were
drunk
passed
out,
occasionally,
drug
use
and.
Z
We
believe
a
sick,
obviously
not
all,
are
due
to
quick
trip,
but
we
believe
that
a
significant
number
of
them
are
due
to
the
traffic
that
comes
up
to
quick
trip.
Currently,
this
is
not
a
good
thing
for
a
visitor
parking
lot
where
people
are
coming
in
to
see
someone
for
an
operation
at
all
times
of
the
day,
and
so
it's
a
concern
to
the
hospital.
In
that
sense,
we
recognize
that
there's
an
issue
now,
but
we
have
no
interest
in
making
this
an
even
more
significant
issue.
Z
I
guess
we'd
also
point
out,
like
others,
have,
that
there
is
a
unique
coalition
of
people
against
this.
We
have
the
sherman
hill
residents
that
are
against
it.
The
hospital
is
firmly
against
it.
The
businesses
that
have
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
beautiful
headquarters
buildings
are
against
it
and
we
have
central.
We
have
the
homeless
this.
The
the
social
services
that
serve
the
homeless
community
are
against
it,
because
this
is
really
they
believe,
going
to
be
a
terrible
thing
for
the
communities
that
they
serve.
Z
Z
So
in
some
we
think
this
is
good
for
no
one
except
possibly
quick
trip,
and
we
urge
you
to
reject
this
rezoning
request.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
jim
wine
questions
from
mr
wine
from
the
commission.
A
AA
Well,
the
the
directions
were
covering
up
the
unmute
button,
jack
porter,
8
15
18th
street
martha,
and
I
have
been
residents
of
the
sherman
hill
neighborhood
for
over
40
years.
AA
I
object
to
the
request,
but
I
also
want
to
stand
in
support
of
of
what
our
president
ryan
howell
mentioned
and
and
mr
wines
comments,
but
I
had
three
one.
This
is
not
just
merely
a
zoning
change.
This
is
a
significant
social
potential,
negative
social
impact
on
our
neighborhood.
AA
AA
You
know,
if
you
don't
know
who
to
contact,
and
so
I
think
that
was
an
unfortunate
development
by
quick
trip.
Is
we
there's
no
way
we
could
contact
them
as
residents
of
the
neighborhood?
AA
And
finally,
the
comment
by
mr
bruner
said:
they're,
a
good
corporate
citizen.
I
have
no
doubt
they
are,
but
as
far
as
I
know-
and
of
course
I
don't
know
everything
but
they've
never
done
one
thing
for
sherman
hill
neighborhood
they've,
never
sponsored
anything.
AA
They've
never
expressed
any
support
for
the
association
that
I'm
aware
of.
Therefore,
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
decision,
we're
hoping
and
we're
asking
that
the
plan
and
zoning
commissioners
reject
this
request
and
and
move
on.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
porter.
Any
questions
for
mr
porter
from
the
commission.
A
Okay,
I
see
one
more
hand
up.
I
would.
A
O
Hi
thanks
carol,
maher
yeah.
I
I
had
sent
in
a
request
to
speak.
I'm
sorry,
you
didn't
get
it,
but
my
address
is
1510
center
street
and
the
point
of
view
I
have
is:
is
it
perhaps
something
quick
trip
would
be
interested
in
maybe
providing
funds
for
a
social
worker
or
outreach,
perhaps
to
help
with
the
issue.
That's
been
brought
up
several
times
tonight.
O
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
from
a
corporate
outreach
perspective,
would
be
something
you'd
be
interested
in
as
a
way
to
engage
the
neighborhood
and
and
work
together
on
the
issue.
That
seems
to
be
problematic,
and
I
was
surprised
frankly
to
hear
that
this
was
that
you
needed
a
zoning
request
for
remodeling
because,
as
jason
mentioned,
there's
not
going
to
be
drive
through
available.
So
I
wouldn't
know
what
I
was
confused
as
to
what
remodeling
was
required
was
going
to
require
a
zoning
change.
So
that's
just
my
point
of
view.
A
Okay,
not
seen
any
mr
bruner,
you
have
a
chance
to
address
these
concerns.
Q
Q
A
A
R
Not
hear
me
right
now:
yes,
yes,
okay,
sorry
about
that.
Just
touching
on
on
that
last
speaker,
just
because
it's
most
recent
I
mean
obviously
we'd
be
willing
to
to
have
discussions
as
to
what
you
know.
Quick
trip
can
do.
I
think
you
mentioned,
maybe
some
some
funds
to
sponsor
some
outreach
or
social
work.
I
mean
we're.
We
saying
we
want
to
have
a
conversation.
It's
not
lip
service.
R
We
gave
out
the
notice
to
the
listing,
as
provided
by
the
city,
which
hits
on
all
the
main
stakeholders
in
the
neighborhood,
including
the
neighborhood
associations,
and
we
provided
our
contact
information
and
for
whatever
reason,
the
correspondence
was
not
directed
to
me
or
quick
trip
directly
directed
to
the
city.
So
again
we're
genuine-
and
we
want
to
hear
these.
These
comments
digest
these
comments
and
have
a
conversation
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
address
them.
That's
again,
not
lip
service
and
stuff.
R
We
intend
to
do
as
to
the
zoning
and
jason
or
somebody
else
with
city
staff
can
certainly
correct
me,
but
to
the
extent
there
is
a
remodel
or
upgrade,
and
it
may
depend
on
the
scope
of
the
upgrade,
but
I
believe
being
that
it's
mx2
zoning,
currently
it
may
need
a
rezoning
or
conditional
use
to
ultimately
allow
for
fuel
sales
and
that
rezoning
to
mx3
would
avoid
any
conditional
use
requirement
in
that
respect
again,
because
fuel
sales
would
be
allowed.
R
So
on
that
topic,
or
in
that
vein,
I
would
request
the
city
had
certain
limitations
that
they
recommended
as
to
the
zoning.
The
only
item
we
would
request
not
be
limited
would
be
fuel
sales,
all
other
industrial
and
heavy
industrial
uses.
We
don't
take
issue
with,
certainly,
but
I
I
do
want
to
get
that
on
record
and
make
note
of
that
again
for
any
planned,
upgrade
and
remodeling
to
the
site
going
forward
and
thank
you
again
for
the
commentary,
and
we
look
forward
to
talking
to
you.
Hopefully.
A
Okay
time
to
close
the
public
hearing
discussion
from
the
commission,
I
guess
I
would
offer
one.
I
would
say
one
thing
out
I
for
several
years
I
rented
an
office
right
across
from
a
quick
trip,
and
you
know
what
what
we
heard
tonight
is
definitely
true.
In
fact,
that
one
one
time
I
did
have
to
end
up
calling
the
police
because
of
an
intoxicated
homeless
person.
So
I
have
personal
experience
with
this,
but
a
discussion
from
the
commission.
F
This
is
francis
vargas.
I
think
we
should
reject
staff
recommendation
in
this
matter.
A
I
think
it's
thanks
frances.
I
think
it's
important
to
listen
to
the
neighborhood
and
listen
to
the
you
know
the
stakeholders
nearby,
but
other
discussion
from
the
commission,
or
does
someone
want
to
make
a
motion.
G
Sorry,
I
just
had
a
question
I'm
trying
to
further
understand
from
staff's
perspective,
and
maybe
they
can
jump
in
the
purpose
of
the
rezoning.
Is
it
about
fuel
sales
or
alcohol
sales
or
something
else
on
the
site.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand,
because
the
way
I
understand
alcohol
sales
is,
it
has
to
go
through
the
board
of
adjustment
and
there's
a
different
process
for
that.
G
X
Sure,
jason
vanessa,
with
the
planning
staff,
so
just
a
couple
couple,
different
things
that
you
know
just
to
look
at
it
from
where
the
property
sits.
Today,
it's
zoned
mx2.
X
So
with
that
in
that
zoning
district
fuel
cells
is
a
conditional
use,
so
should
they
clear
the
site,
redevelop
it
or
invest
more
than
50
of
the
value
of
the
property
and
remodel
they'd
have
to
first
get
a
conditional
use
approval
from
the
zoning
bar
of
adjustment.
X
X
G
Yeah,
I
think
so
I
appreciate
it.
I
would
offer
just
a
couple
comments
to
the
board
and
sorry
francis
I
jumped
in
so
I'll.
Let
you
make
a
motion,
but
my
comments
are:
I'm
actually
in
support
of
small
gas
station
convenience
stores
and
neighborhoods.
We
have
many
successful
ones
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
You
know
not
the
12
pumps,
20
pumps,
30
pumps.
G
You
know
two
four,
six,
eight
pumps,
many
many
examples:
beaverdale
windsor
heights
other
places
so
now
whether
they
would
need
to
whether
we
should
currently
my
understanding
is
they
would
have
to
go,
get
a
according
to
jason,
a
conditional
use
permit
if
they
change
the
sites
substantially.
G
Yes,
there's
no
doubt
we've
heard
significant
amount
of
information
from
folks
that
liquor
sales
is
problematic,
and
probably
more
disturbing
for
me
is
that
there
doesn't
seem
to
have
been
good
engagement.
You've
heard
me
say
that
a
couple
times
tonight
with
the
neighborhood,
it's
it's
fine
to
have
disagreements
and
different
points
of
view,
but
there
should
be
a
form
and
an
opportunity
to
share
those.
So
I
have
a
bigger
concern
with
that.
So
with
that
said,
those
are
my
thoughts
and
francis
I'll
get
out
of
your
way.
A
Okay,
thanks
thanks
greg
francis:
do
you
want
to
stick
with.
E
Yourself,
jan,
this
is
rocky.
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
after
listening
to
it,
you
know,
I
think
you
know
the
neighbors
and
the
business
owners
you
know
raise
some
good
concerns
about.
You
know
problems
we
have
in
our
in
our
community
with
homelessness
and
alcoholism
and
drug
addiction.
That
comes
along
with
that,
and
I
I
kind
of
piggyback
off
what
greg
said
when
it
comes
to
quick
trip,
having
a
conversation
with
them.
E
I
don't
think
the
precedent
is
is
that
businesses
have
to
hire
social
workers,
though
I
think
you
know
there
could
be
some
middle
ground
here.
Quick
trip
is
not
the
reason
for
the
problems
we
have
in
our
community.
They
just
want
to
do
business
in
our
community.
Those
people
that
want
to
buy
liquor
are
going
to
find
another
place
to
buy
liquor,
but
I
think
security
should
be
very
important
in
that
area.
E
From
what
you
said
gm,
and
that
is
that,
if
they're
gonna
push
to
sell
liquor,
we
need
to
have
security
in
that
area.
So
unity
point
doesn't
have
to
come
over
with
their
security
to
solve
their
problems.
That's
all
I
have.
A
H
I
I
W
I
I
I
I
AB
Madam
chair,
if
I
could
just
just
just
follow
up
so
the
recommendation
of
the
planning
commission
on
any
rezoning
will
be
forwarded
to
the
city
council.
We
would
anticipate
the
council
will
receive
and
file
the
recommendation
on
november
9th
and
would
set
the
date
of
hearing
on
the
rezoning
for
november
23rd.
Those
are
all
tentative.
AB
People
would
want
to
double
check
with
the
clerk's
office
to
confirm
the
dates
of
those
items
to
confirm.
You
know
the
day
of
the
meeting
whether
those
items
are
on
there
and
because
of
the
commission's
recommendation
for
denial,
it
would
require
a
6
7
vote
of
the
city
council
to
approve
the
rezoning
over
those
objections.
A
You
mike
so
we've
closed
the
public
hearing.
We
need
to
approve
the
2021
meeting
calendar.
A
A
I
I
I
I
H
Looks
like
emily
might
have
left
us,
so
we'll
do
motion
carries
11-0.
A
Thanks
tyler
mike
director's
report.
AB
One
quick
thing:
the
meeting
that
we
want
to
set
up
on
sidewalks
I'll,
be
sending
out
an
invite
tomorrow
for
that-
and
I
don't
have
the
date
yet,
but
I
will
be
sending
that
out
and
or
at
least
I'll,
send
an
email
asking
your
availability
for
that.
But
I
finally
got
an
email
back
from
our
engineering
department
of
their
representatives,
so
I
can
start
schedule
that
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yeah.