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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, Sept. 17, 2020.
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J
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I'll
now
read
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
number
one
request
from
plymouth
church
of
des
moines,
represented
by
emily
tripp
for
a
fourth
amendment
to
the
plymouth
congregational
church.
Pud
conceptual
plan
for
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
4126
ingersoll
avenue
to
allow
roof
mounted
solar
panels
on
the
church
building.
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A
A
A
Requests
from
adam
hawks
b
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
the
following
type:
2
design,
alternative
in
accordance
with
chapter
135,
sections,
135-9.2.4b
and
135-9.3.1b
for
property
located
at
2939
east
douglas
avenue.
In
order
to
allow
expansion
of
an
attached
garage
on
a
house
type,
a
in
an
n1b
neighborhood
district,
where
the
west
interior
side
yard
width
of
six
feet
eight
inches.
This
would
be
three
feet:
4
inches
less
than
the
minimum
required
10
feet;
side
yard
on
one
side
required
per
section.
A
A
135-9.3.1.B
for
property
located
at
1,
1
1
5
35th
street,
in
order
to
allow
construction
to
be
completed
of
a
16
foot
by
22
foot
detached
garage
within
the
rear
yard
area
for
a
house
type
d
in
an
n5
neighborhood
district,
where
the
garage
would
be
within
three
feet
of
both
the
south
and
each
property
lines.
This
would
be
two
feet:
forty
percent,
less
than
the
minimum
required
five
feet
of
setback
from
side
and
rear
property
lines
per
section.
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A
I'll
read:
item
number
10
requests
from
carl
bolser
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
the
following
type:
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
chapter
135
sections,
135-9.2
and
135-9.3.1b
for
property
located
at
1417
44th
street.
In
order
to
allow
construction
of
a
21.5
foot
by
21.5
foot
detached
garage
within
the
rear
yard
area
for
a
house
type
d
in
an
n5
neighborhood
district,
where
the
garage
would
be
within
one
foot
of
the
north
side,
lot
line
and
within
2.75
feet
of
the
east
rear
property
line.
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E
This
is,
will
page.
May
I
interrupt
you
just
for
a
minute.
Please,
on
the
staff
report
for
item
number
7a
through
7d
of
the
staff
recommendation,
was
that
the
commission
continued
the
public
hearing
on
consideration
of
the
proposed
items
until
their
october
15th
2020,
meaning
a
complete
staff
report
and
recommendation
will
be
provided
with
the
commission
packet
for
that
meeting.
Has
that
been
voided.
K
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D
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A
M
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C
M
A
Oh
okay,
all
right!
Well
we're
in
the
public
hearing
items
and
now
we're
on
item
number.
Eight
requests
from
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity,
represented
by
tammy
cryks
for
a
public
hearing
site
plan
to
allow
appeal
of
the
administrative
denial
of
a
type
one
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
chapter
135,
section
135-9,
dot,
2.4.b
and
135-9.3.1.b
for
property,
located
at
1911
franklin
avenue
to
allow
a
one
household
house,
type
d
dwelling
in
an
n5
neighborhood
district
to
be
constructed
on
the
property
without
the
required
garage
per
section,
135-2,
dot,
16.3.e.5
catherine.
D
D
Habitat
has
been
working
on
a
number
of
properties
in
this
area
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
located
on
franklin
and
they
are
actually
building
on
the
property
adjacent
as
well,
and
then
a
couple
of
others
in
the
immediate
vicinity
a
little
context
here.
This
is
the
house
to
the
west
and
then
moving
through
the
photos.
You
can
see
the
along
the
street
here
where
they
are
constructing
at
this
time.
D
The
analysis
that
we
did
regarding
the
garages
within
the
250
foot
area
per
the
code
requirement
found
that
there
are
an
equal
amount
of
properties
with
and
without
garages
which
our
threshold
is
a
50
threshold,
and
so
in
this
case
it
triggers
the
need
for
a
garage
on
this
property.
We
will
note
that
the
property
adjacent
where
they
are
building
habitat
is
installing
a
garage
in
this.
D
Analysis
we
did
find
that
of
the
properties.
Half
that
are
residentially
zoned
do
have
garages,
the
one
that
is
not
residentially,
zoned
is
a
belongs
to
a
church.
Here
are
a
couple
excuse
me
here
are
a
couple
of
the
excuse
me
here
are
the
type
1
design
alternatives
that
have
already
been
approved
by
staff.
D
D
But
they
have
the
depth
behind
the
proposed
house
to
fit
this
garage,
and
we
have
found
through
past
analysis
that
garages,
especially
in
houses,
that
don't
have
full
basements,
provide
the
adequate
storage
that
a
family
requires,
as
well
as
a
place
to
put
things
like
bicycles
and
trash
bins
and
and
toys
to
help
both
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
a
pride
of
ownership
for
the
property
owners.
As
such.
Based
on
our
analysis,
staff
is
recommending
a
denial
of
the
request
to
build
without
the
garage.
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F
Great
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission.
Lance
henning
serve
as
executive
director
of
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity.
We're
located
at
2200,
east
euclid
avenue
we're
here
with
good
faith
and
with
good
intentions
with
habitat,
for
humanity
is
working
to
do
what's
best
for
the
hard-working
citizens
of
this
city
and
we're
thankful
to
bring
this
item
forward
for
your
consideration
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
The
house
proposed
is
a
three
bedroom.
A
little
over
eleven
hundred
square
feet
finished.
It
does
have
600
square
feet
of
unfinished
space
in
the
basement.
It
is
as
noted
earlier
there
on
a
40
foot
wide
lot.
That
does
create
additional
challenges
of
trying
to
fit
onto
the
lot
and
we
would
provide
a
12
12x10
shed,
so
we
do
believe,
there's
adequate
room
for
bikes,
mowers
and
all
kinds
of
things
for
the
unfinished
basement
as
well.
F
F
F
So
immediately
on
it,
the
house
under
construction
on
the
right
there
1901
franklin's
the
house
under
construction.
So
that's
the
house
being
built
there
and,
as
noted
earlier
on
there,
we
are
building
a
garage
as
a
part
of
that
there's
an
alley
that
runs
right
alongside
the
house
actually
running
parallel
to
the
side
of
the
house
and
the
garage
will
come
off
come
off
of
that
alley.
F
I'm
also
a
note
on
there,
so
next
to
1913,
franklin's
1915
franklin
that
we're
planning
to
build
a
house
there,
the
building
permits
been
issued
on
there.
It
would
be
the
same
plan
as
the
1901
franklin
that
you
see
pictured
on
there
and
that
that
house
at
1915
franklin,
did
meet
the
below
50
threshold
and
was
granted
a
type
1
exemption.
F
There
is
much
more
to
a
garage
than
a
shed.
It
includes
increased
concrete
to
extend
the
driveway
increased
concrete
for
a
thickened
slab
or
a
trench.
Footer
required
electrical
running
the
service
out
for
the
house,
lights
outlets
after
the
purchase
and
install
a
garage
door
and
then
also
there's
another
exterior
door.
That
goes
as
part
of
that
as
well.
All
those
do
add
significant
costs
next
slide.
F
F
The
formula
on
there
and
it
looks
like
it
had
changed
slightly
from
what
we
had
before
it
was.
It
was
originally
25
or
49,
so
it
looked
like
it
was
24
or
48.
Now
so
it's
50.
I
think
it
still
relies
on
six
vacant
properties
to
get
there.
So
we
do
want
to
note
that
actual
properties
with
garages
are
significantly
lower
than
50
percent
and
that
vacant
properties
play
the
factor
in
getting
to
that.
F
50
number
next
slide
and
I'm
not
sure
the
the
house
with
1915
franklin
where
that
was
counted
in
the
first
county
and
it
was
counted
as
a
property
that
would
have
a
garage
so
that
might
have
been
the
part
of
the
switch
on
the
properties
on
there.
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
there
are
some
lots
that
are
effectively
used
as
side:
lots
that
that
these
lots
are
vacant.
They
are
owned
by
the
neighboring
house.
F
F
All
it
was
one
in
the
last
property
transaction,
so
there's
a
low
probability
that
those
would
be
used
as
a
separate
development
anytime
in
in
the
foreseeable
future
for
quite
a
time
down
the
road,
the
calculation
on
there.
If
you
took
those
two
lots
that
are
used
as
side
yards,
then
you
would
be
down
below
49
percent
in
the
in
the
garage
count
as
part
of
the
next
slide.
F
F
So
looking
at
that,
then
the
proposed
property
with
no
garage
is
2.3
times
greater
in
value
than
the
average
value
in
the
neighborhood.
I
think
this
is
significant
when
you
think
about
that.
This
is
a
piece
that,
if
you
compare
it
to
a
neighborhood
where
the
housing
value
average
was
225,
000
it'd
be
the
equivalent
of
adding
a
house
worth
over
500
000.
F
F
We
believe
we
are
following
the
intention
of
what's
trying
to
go
on
with
the
zoning
code
and
following
this
to
ask
for
design
relief
for
the
garage
in
the
neighborhood
in
a
neighborhood
without
majority
garages
and
then
requiring
additional
amenities
in
a
house
already
2.3
times.
The
value
of
the
surrounding
area
has
significantly
greater
impact
on
the
project's
affordability
than
additional
uplifting
effect
on
the
neighborhood.
F
So
we
would
like
to
say
thank
you
for
your
consideration
to
grant
grant
relief
on
the
garage
requirement
and
a
year
of
strong
headwinds
with
some
skyrocketing
lumber
and
material
supply
challenges
and
low
numbers
of
volunteers.
Your
help
to
consider
housing,
affordability,
matters,
thank
you,
and
I
would
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
from
the
question.
A
A
C
This
is
emily
webb
yeah,
emily
I'd
like
to
say
thanks
to
lance
and
habitat,
because
I
think
they
do
a
great
service
for
the
des
moines
community
by
providing
affordable
housing
and
making
the
neighborhoods
they
put
them
in
of
higher
value,
and
I
think
he
laid
out
a
really
good
argument
for
why
a
garage
is
not
necessary
in
this
case.
So
I
would
be
inclined
to
move
that.
We
waive
the
requirement,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
other.
J
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I
B
H
B
A
Okay
review
an
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
the
following
type:
two
design
alternatives
and
denied
type
1
design
alternatives
in
accordance
with
chapter
135
sections,
135,
9.2.4.b
and
135-9.3.1.b
for
property
located
at
1527
southeast
40th
street.
In
order
in
order
to
allow
expansion
of
a
house
type
d
in
an
a
agricultural
district,
jason.
N
Yeah
members
of
the
commission-
this
is
jason
van
ness
and
with
the
city's
planning
staff,
hopefully
you're,
seeing
my
screen
with
the
I'm
trying
to
get
there
here.
We
go
all
right,
get
the
ariel
up
in
front
of
you.
A
map
identifying
the
subject:
property
on
the
east
side
of
southeast
40th
street.
It's
in
the
southeast
part
of
the
city.
N
N
N
And
our
recommending
denial,
the
request
for
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk
along
the
street
new
developments
expected
to
install
sidewalks.
You
know
the
commission
is
well
aware
of
the
discussions
that
have
been
had
over
the
last
few
years
about
the
importance
of
filling
in
gaps
as
they
occur,
so
as
staff.
We
can't
support
that
request.
We
are
supporting
the
request
to
keep
the
building
or
the
front
of
the
building
front
door
or
in
towards
the
south
they're,
not
as
part
of
the
project.
A
A
H
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
We've
seem
to
go
through
this
every
time.
There's
a
sidewalk
that
there's
not
a
sidewalk
near.
Is
there
any
way
he's
mr
circus
has
said
he's
willing
to
put
it
in
when
it's
closer?
Is
there
a
way
to
come
to
that
agreement,
or
we
just
have
to
hope
for
the
best
or
is
there
any
way
to
make
that
work.
N
This
is
jason
with
staff.
I'm
trying
to
think
back
what
we
did.
The
discussion
we
had
for
the
gentleman
that's
was
to
the
west
the
floor
mike
ludwig.
Do
you
do
you
recall?
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
what
the
options
were.
I
think
it
ended
up
just
being
granted.
We
didn't
think
there
was
a
good
mechanism.
Might
you
chime
in
on
that.
N
N
A
This
is
jan,
I
had
a
similar
question
because
it
seems
like
you
know
you
have
to
start
somewhere,
but
and
especially
when
the
applicant's
willing
to
do
it
at
some
time.
I'm
wondering
if
there's
another,
a
solution
that
we
could
come
up
with,
because
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
cases
like
this.
That
appears.
N
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
as
staff
we
can
continue
to
look
at
that
and
try
to
find
a
solution.
I
agree
that
it's
probably
something
that's
going
to
continue
to
happen
at
this
point.
Unfortunately,
tonight
I
don't
have
a
quick
solution
for
it,
but
it's
certainly
an
item
for
us
to
keep
looking
at
and
thinking
through.
A
O
Sure,
if
I
could
speak
very
quickly,
yes,
this
is
mike
ludwig
yeah.
The
issue
with
like
an
escrow
is
that
it's
basically
putting
the
funds
into
a
basically
a
bank
account
for
the
construction,
and
it
would
be
just
as
easy
to
to
just
construct
it
if
you're
gonna
escrow
for
it.
In
this
instance,
you
know
the
only
thing
that
I
would
say
about
the
agreement
is
that
if
the
property
is
transferred,
you
know,
I
don't
know
unless
there's
a
deed
restriction,
or
you
know
something
recorded
on
the
deed.
O
That
says
that's
a
future
obligation
of
the
owner.
Maybe
our
legal
staff
judy
could
speak
to
that,
but
I
otherwise
you
know
if
they
sell
the
house
and
it's
10
years
down
the
road
or
something
and
they
sell
the
house
that
new
owner
would
have
no
idea
of
the
obligation
to
build
the
sidewalk
and
so
we'd
lose
that
so
short
of
having
something
in
it
as
a
deed
restriction
recorded.
I
Right-
and
this
is
judy
parks,
cruz,
legal
counsel,
the
the
the
information
you've
been
given
up
to
this
point
is
all
true
and
correct,
and
I
don't
know
that
we,
I
have
seen
any
kind
of
a
consistent
approach.
That's
been
suggested
for
these
kinds
of
things,
or
this
particular
situation,
rather
than
come
up
with
one
ad
hoc
and
impose
it
on
this
owner,
including
a
deed
restriction.
I
E
E
I
say
that
with
respect
to
staff,
because
I
know
staff
is
overwhelmed
with
everything
they
have
to
do,
and
I
think
maybe,
if
there's
a
subcommittee,
that's
actually
looking
into
this.
We
might
get
some
different
ideas
and
we
might
get
some
more
action
quicker
than
if
we
just
rely
on.
You
know
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past
because
we're
getting
no
place
quickly
and-
and
I
think
that's
a
that's-
you
know
unfortunate.
A
E
I
move
the
staff
to
approve
and
allow
the
principal
entrance.
I
just
moved
the
staff
recommendation,
except
for
the
denial
and
to
approve
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk,
with
the
understanding
that
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
will
appoint
a
committee
to
look
into
design
alternatives
and
ways
to
address
this
problem
in
the
future.
A
O
We
have
another
thing.
One
thing
I
might
suggest
on
that
is
it's
fine
for
the
planning
commission
to
have
their
subcommittee.
We
might
also
want
to
involve
the
transportation
safety
committee,
because
this
requirement
is
actually
coming
out
of
move
dsm,
which
is
out
of
out
of
that
groups.
You
know
they.
They
helped
create
that
plan
and
would
probably
want
to
have
some
info
input
as
well.
So
we
may
have
to
have
a
kind
of
a
joint
subcommittee
of
the
two
groups
to
discuss
the
issue.
I
M
A
O
Yeah
staff
will
reach
out
and
ask
for
the
chair
to
at
least
nominate
a
few
commission
members
to
look
into
the
issue
or,
and
we
can
set
up
a
zoom
meeting
to
to
bring
information
and
and
discuss
and
hopefully
get
a
recommendation
again.
I'd
like
to
also
involve
representation
from
the
traffic
safety
committee
that
worked
on
the
move,
dsm
plan
yeah,
that's
perfect,.
K
Can
everybody
see
the
screen
yeah
there
we
go
okay,
yeah!
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission
item
11
is
located
at
1211
east
army
post
road
there's
five
design
alternatives,
they're
seeking
one
of
them
is
a
denied
type
one
for
the
interior
parking
lot
landscaping,
which
does
not
meet
minimum
landscape
islands
for
every
night
space
and
we'll
get
into
that
further.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Is
that
to
get
a
pedestrian
connectivity
here
within
the
mall
road
system
to
meet
that
intent
of
the
code
to
have
a
pedestrian
link
from
the
building
into
the
mall
road
system?
We've
done
that.
We've
had
that
with
some
other
developments
within
the
mall
as
well,
and
that
you
know
asked
for
those
pedestrian
linkages
that
would
probably
cause
the
removal
of
this
line
of
trees
that
exists
between
the
mall
road
and
the
in
the
parking
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
K
K
Non-Pervious
they're
very
close,
they're
doing
much
better
than
what's
existing.
We
believe
that
adding
the
interior
islands
will
get
even
closer
to
this
achieving
this,
but
we
we
think
that
waving
that
to
the
level
of
where
it
would
still
be
deficient
with
the
interior
islands
is,
is
acceptable.
Given
the
effort
and
the
investment
being
made.
K
The
design
alternatives-
and
I
think
somehow
somehow
this
got
interjected
into
the
I'll
go
back
to
that.
The
we
laid
out
the
different
proposed
design
alternatives
that
they're
as
they're
lettered
again
newly
constructed
primary
entry
is
not
recessed.
Staff
concurs
with
the
design
rational
they
provided
for
deviating
from
that
requirement
to
be
more,
in
conformance
with
the
style
of
architecture
they're
proposing
this
isn't
a
building
built
up
to
a
street
with
a
pedestrian
area.
K
K
Again,
they're
coming
awfully
darn
close
they're,
getting
it
down
to
87
percent.
We
think
that,
if
the
way
with
the
waiver
of
the
interior
landscaping,
that's
you
know
that
something
could
be
done
better.
We
could
get
closer
to
that
80
if
we
have
the
interior
landscaping
islands
as
as
required,
but
we
do
concur
that
getting
down
perhaps
getting
down
to
that
80
is
do
it.
K
The
way
the
site
is
currently
is
prior
to
our
landscaping
requirements
that
began
in
2004,
and
then
we
now
require
even
more
interior
landscaping
under
the
new
code
d.
Allow
the
light
a
lot
lighting
poles
with
fixtures
which
exceed
the
maximum
20
foot
height
requirement
per
section,
135
821e
again-
and
I
pointed
those
out
in
the
in
the
sight-
shots
there's
a
there's,
a
very
extensive
network
of
those
throughout
the
mall
complex.
K
K
K
Again,
the
biggest
impact
is
actually
being
covered
under
this
provision,
but
there's
a
scattering
of
smaller
units
that
are
not
proposed
to
be
architecturally,
screened
and
staff
concurs
with
the
argument
of
the
applicant
that
these
units
really
would
actually
stand
out
more
if
they
were
screened
with
architectural
screening
than
they
would
with
their
coloration
and
how
they
would
blend
into
the
the
roof
system.
That's
going
to
be
added,
so
staff
concurs
with
e,
so
getting
to
the
staff
recommendation.
K
So
staff
is
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
requested
appeal
of
the
administrative
denial
of
part
c,
which
is
the
waiver
asking
for
waiver
of
interior
lot
landscaping.
The
requirement
is
that
they
provide
one
per
every
nine
on-site
parking
spaces,
they're,
not
proposing
to
add
any
to
the
interior.
A
P
We
go
through
this
long
process
of
responding
to
the
proposal
and
then
it
takes
them
about
a
year
to
actually
award
the
project.
So
we
started
this
in
2018,
I'm
sorry
early
2019.
So
almost
two
years
ago
now
so
when
we
started
this
project,
we
were
told
by
the
mall
owner
that
we
needed
to
provide
208
parking
spaces
and
we
believe
that
was
based
on
the
zoning
code
at
the
time,
which
would
have
required
four
parking
spaces
per
thousand
square
feet.
P
So
when
we
did
this
layout
that
we
did
everything
we
could
to
fit
208
parking
spaces
on
here.
That
includes
four
motorcycle
spaces
and
then
204
regular
and
accessible
spaces.
So
when
we
actually
got
awarded
the
project
and
started
working
on
this,
that
that
was
the
number
we
moved
forward
with
and
because
that
was
the
number
that
the
mall
owner
had
told
us
and
they
were
requiring
us
to
meet
that.
P
So
we
had
a
call
with
the
planning
department
about
two
weeks
ago
and
after
the
call,
a
number
of
us
stayed
on
the
phone
and
discussed
it.
And
while
we
were
discussing
it
discussing
it,
it
dawned
upon
us
that
that
perhaps
that
that
number,
the
208
from
the
mall
owner
was
wrong.
So
we
went
back
and
we
looked
at
it
and
did
a
little
investigation,
went
back
to
the
mall
owner
and
talk
to
them
about
this
number
and
they
were
willing
to
reduce
it
to
199
spaces.
P
P
Internal
landscape
islands
to
the
parking
lot,
so
we
did
go
ahead
and
send
a
revised
plan
to
staff
on
tuesday,
and
I
realized
that
was
probably
too
late
to
get
it
into
the
agenda
today.
But
we
do
have
two
landscape
islands
in
the
west
parking
lot,
one
in
the
north
parking
lot
and
then
five
in
the
east
parking
lot
and
so
we're
now
meeting
the
the
landscape
island
per
every
nine
parking
spaces.
K
E
P
Yeah
we've
added
so
each
each
landscape
island,
basically
where
we
have
basically
we've
added
a
tree
for
every
space,
so
we're
a
landscape
island,
replace
one
space,
there's
one
tree
that
that's
on
the
the
west
side
in
the
north
side
of
the
building,
where
there
are
two
spaces,
there's
two
trees.
So
there
that's
that's
the
latest
plan
that
we
sent
we've
added.
We've
added
the
landscape
islands,
as
you
can
see
on
the
west
side,
there's
the
two.
P
We've
added
there's,
it
doesn't
show
up
there,
but
there's
one
on
the
north
and
then
there's
the
five
on
the
on
the
east.
The
other
thing
that
that
plan
shows
is,
we
did
go
ahead
and
add
the
sidewalk
to
the
to
the
west
and
the
south
of
the
building
and
eric
showed
the
kind
of
the
preliminary
sketch
that
we
did
with
the
the
markup
the
red
lines
on
the
pdf,
but
now
we've
hard
lined
it
on
our
site
plan.
P
So
we're
we're
we're
trying
to
add
the
pedestrian
connectivity
as
well
as
the
all
the
landscaping
that's
required.
You
know
it's
a
it's
an
existing
site
that
was
never
intended
for
this
kind
of
use,
never
envisioned
pedestrian
connectivity
in
the
mall
and
we've
we've
done
absolutely
everything.
I
think
that's
reasonable.
Really,
I
think
we've
we've
pretty
much
met
the
letter
of
the
code.
Now.
E
K
A
L
Hi,
it's
derrick
weaver,
I'm
with
jd
des
moines
of
the
iowa
property
and
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
and
thank
you
all
and
also
talk
a
little
bit
about
just
how
unique
an
opportunity.
This
is
not
only
to
serve
the
veterans
of
greater
des
moines,
which
this
clinic
will
do
in
spades,
but
also
to
be
part
of
a
revitalization
at
south
ridge.
A
A
G
A
P
I
I
guess
I
I
know
I
know
jeff's
concerns.
We've
been
working
together
on
the
va
clinic
and
I
we
we
can
discuss
this
more.
I
think
that
that
they're
they're
valid,
but
you
know
we're
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
city
and
balance
all
the
the
different
requirements
here,
and
I
think
one
thing
that
that
jeff
talked
about
was
the
reducing
the
the
the
number
of
parking
spaces
below
the
va's
minimum
requirement.
P
We
won't
do
that
we'll
we'll
still
still
maintain
the
va's
minimum
requirement,
but
we're
trying
to
they
said
work
with
the
city
here
and
make
everything
jive
meet
all
the
requirements,
kind
of
balance,
everything
that
we
need
to
in
this
project.
So
I
understand
where
he's
coming
from.
I
understand
where
the
city's
coming
from
too
and
if,
if
the
the
council
is
willing
to
consider
leaving
those
out
for
just
jeff's
concerns,
I'm
okay
with
that.
K
Eric
or
stephen,
madame
chair,
this
is
eric
lendy.
Certainly
I
understand
they're,
as
you
know,
as
the
occupant
to
this
building.
You
know
they.
They
can
certainly
express
those
concerns,
we're
looking
at
it
from
a
more
holistic
approach
to
the
how
this
fits
into
the
context
and
how
it
mitigates
heat
effect.
It's
actually
going
to
help
the
life
of
the
parking
surface.
K
We
believe
that
the
the
connections
that
they're
accommodating
the
pedestrian
system
for
people
walking
to
the
site,
perhaps
within
within
the
confines
of
the
mall
complexes,
it's
improved.
The
visual
effect
of
that
along
the
mall
road
is
preserved
by
replacing
the
trees
that
get
taken
out
by
that
walkway
yeah.
Everybody
that
that
does
a
site
plan
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
you
know
is
going
to
face
operational
modification
to
snow
removal
things
things
of
that
nature.
K
I
I
don't
think
I
think
it
also
improves
people
speeding
through
the
parking
lot,
which
can
actually
be
to
the
detriment
of
people
walking
from
their
parking
space
into
the
building.
So
so,
I'm
not
sure
that's
going
to
be
an
obstruction
to
people
getting
to
the
building
as
much
as
it
might
be
thought
that
it
would.
I
think
it
actually
will
help
control
speeds
within
the
parking
lot,
despite
it
by
that
visual.
K
A
E
N
J
J
A
I
I
A
O
Yes,
ma'am
chair
this
week,
the
mayor
and
city
manager
did
issue
a
extension
of
the
closure
on
city
buildings
to
at
least
december
1st,
so
we
will
continue
to
meet
virtually
through
the
month
of
november
october
and
november
and
again
just
thank
everybody
for
their
continued
patience,
hope,
everybody's
staying,
safe
and
healthy
and
we'll
keep
moving
forward.
Thank
you.