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From YouTube: 6-17-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, June 17, 2021.
View the packet and agenda at https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
A
lot
more
work
in
oak
park
on
the
commercial
side
of
things,
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
assets
in
this
neighborhood
is
the
business
district
at
euclid
and
sixth
avenue
it's
a
more
historic
feeling,
business
district.
It
is
on
the
historic
registry,
and
so
we've
worked
with
a
number
of
commercial
property
owners,
and
we've
had
several
partnerships
with
the
neighborhood
development
corporation,
which
is
a
non-profit
commercial
developer,
to
kind
of
upgrade
the
buildings
in
that
area.
A
A
Building
we
had
some
funding
assistance
to
help
them
put
in
the
grease
interceptor
the
restrooms
and
upgrade
do
some
of
the
plumbing
and
electrical
upgrades
that
they
needed
to
do
in
order
to
make
that
space
compliant
and
then
we're
also
looking
at
things
like
exterior
site
improvements
and
parking,
we
had
an
apartment,
building
on
euclid
avenue,
a
10
unit
apartment
building.
It
had
lost
its
grandfather
rights
because
it
had
been
vacant
for
a
number
of
years.
A
So
then,
columbus
park
is
the
last
of
our
four
neighborhoods
and
I'll
be
done
after
this.
This
is
the
neighborhood
that
is
probably
if
we
were
ranking
them
from
healthiest
to
least
healthy.
This
neighborhood
is
probably
towards
the
least
healthy
end
of
our
our
little
four
spectrum.
Just
existing
housing
conditions
are
fairly
run
down.
A
lot
of
the
housing
stock
was
built
a
hundred
years
ago,
80
to
100
years
ago,
and
it
wasn't
terribly
well
built
to
begin
with.
A
A
A
Certainly,
some
of
the
single
family
that
exists
today
will
stay,
but
as
opportunities
come
up,
we're
also
looking
for
lots
that
we
can
redevelop
either
into
new
single
family
or
into
more
of
the
missing
middle
type,
housing
row,
houses,
townhouses,
small
scale,
multi-family
and
then
the
orange
area,
looking
at
more
of
a
mixed
use,
commercial
development
again
that
kind
of
missing
middle
style,
housing
live
work
spaces,
maybe
some
some
small
retail
spaces
that's
more
affordable
to
startups.
So
this
is
this.
Is
this
area
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
other?
A
A
You
know
looking
for
design,
that's
complementary
to
what's
in
the
neighborhood
already,
there
isn't
really
a
predominant
architecture
style
in
the
columbus
park
neighborhood,
but
there
are
kind
of
consistent
roof
lines.
So
we're
trying
to
you
know,
stick
to
that
and
at
least
be
complimentary
to
that
existing
neighborhood
character,
but
still
bringing
in
some
of
those
more
modern,
layouts
and
amenities.
A
A
A
B
B
C
Jan,
I
was
just
gonna
say
yeah
amber
congratulations,
because
I
think
I
remember
you
being
a
person
to
watch
in
the
register.
I
was
thank
you
now.
Congratulations
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
just
listening
to
your
presentation.
I'm
not
surprised
that
and
I
really
appreciate
everything
you're
doing
for
all
of
us
in
des
moines.
So
thank
you
thanks
very
much.
A
All
right:
well,
thanks:
everybody
jason
knows
how
to
get
a
hold
of
me.
So
if
you
think
of
anything
later,
just
just
reach
out-
and
let
me
know
I
should
also
mention-
you
actually
have
a
project
that
we're
a
partner
in
later
on
your
agenda,
the
benchmark
real
estate
group
on
6th
avenue.
We
have,
we
have
some
funding
in
that.
D
B
E
B
F
E
B
D
You
I
now
have
6
p.m.
So
welcome
to
the
june
17th
meeting
of
the
plan
and
zoning
commission,
I'm
dory
briles
the
chair
of
the
commission.
I'll
now
read
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
D
D
For
details
on
council
hearings
applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
at
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
D
Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
will
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing.
Please
use
the
raise
hand,
function
on
zoom
webinar
via
the
internet
or
dial
star
9
on
your
phone.
Once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
star
6
on
your
phone.
You
will
be
required
to
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
D
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair.
Applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal
if
any
opponent
spoke.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
H
G
E
H
G
G
G
J
G
D
K
H
D
Thank
you
tyler
before
we
begin
our
consent
agenda
this
evening.
I
wish
to
have
you
join
me
in
recognizing
greg
jones.
Tonight
is
greg's
last
meeting
as
a
commissioner
for
nearly
20
years.
Greg
has
shared
his
expertise,
his
experience
and
his
many
creative
solutions
to
benefit
the
commission
and
our
community
greg.
You
will
be
missed.
B
L
D
Well,
we'll
start
with
the
consent
public
hearing
this
evening,
I'll
read
through
each
one,
and
if
there
is
somebody
who
wishes
to
have
the
item
pulled,
we
will
do
so.
The
first
item
is
a
request
from
35246
avenue,
represented
by
joseph
cordaro
for
vacation
of
a
5.50
foot
by
50.61
foot
segment
of
air
rights
along
the
west
side
of
6th
avenue
adjoining
property
located
at
3524
6th
avenue
to
allow
continued
encroachment
of
existing
second
and
third
floor
bay
window
projections
with
the
renovation
of
the
building.
D
Okay,
commissioners,
any
of
you
wish
to
have
this
item
heard:
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
five,
which
is
a
request
from
tom
todd,
albrecht
and
susan.
Sarah
fiskus
albrecht
for
review
and
approval
of
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
located
at
1506
45th
street,
to
allow
construction
of
a
20-foot
by
20-foot,
detached
garage
within
the
front
yard
or
any
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
have
this
item
pulled
from
consent
and
heard
this
evening.
B
D
K
G
H
D
Thank
you
tyler.
Now,
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
this
evening.
Item
number
eight
is
a
request
from
zachary
miller
and
mason
turink
williger
for
review
and
approval
of
public
hearing
site
plan
for
type
2
design.
Alternatives
for
property
located
at
846,
east
broad
street
and
jason
will
be
presenting
this
item.
B
The
I'll
show
an
area
identifying
the
subject
property
on
the
north
side
of
broad
street
at
the
intersection
with
southeast
9th.
Towards
the
front
of
the
lot
you
can
see
the
house,
I
actually
have
a
more
of
a
close-up
here.
Zoomed
in
this
is
ariel
of
the
subject.
Property
would
have
been
taken
spring
of
2020
house
at
the
southern
part,
existing
concrete
driveway
and
I'd
also
point
out
that
in
the
aerial
you
can
see
that
there's
just
one
outbuilding
in
the
rear
yard.
B
This
was
a
sketch
provided
by
the
applicant,
showing
generally
what
they
were
looking
to
do.
When
we
put
this
on
the
agenda
and
did
notices,
we
received
some
complaints
that
there
was
a
illegal
business
occurring.
So
we
did
a
site
visit
around
the
time
that
this
would
have
been
on
the
agenda
back
in
may.
B
I
found
that
in
fact,
there
was
a
few
items
that
needed
to
be
dealt
with
from
a
zoning
enforcement,
and
so
it
did
get
continued
to
allow
the
applicant
to
sort
through
that.
Let
staff
look
at
the
site
and
as
part
of
this
inspection
that
occurred
on
the
19th,
we
found
that
a
second
accessory
building
had
been
constructed
in
the
rear
yard,
without
a
building
permit
and
so
putting
that,
together
with
the
illegal
business
that's
operating
at
the
place.
B
B
And
a
second
job
trailer,
this
is
the
into
the
site,
and
this
is
the
new
garage
that
was
constructed
without
a
building
permit
has
a
metal
siding,
metal,
roof
chapter
135
indicates
that
garages
have
matched
the
primary
structure
and
how
we've
I've
been
enforcing.
That
in
a
residential
area
is
that
if
the
house
has
lopsiding,
for
instance,
and
asphalt
shingles,
you
know
that
would
be
the
kind
of
the
standard.
B
B
B
The
staff
report
already
been
written
and
sent
out,
so
we
weren't
able
to
comment,
but
it
appears
from
our
inspection
on
friday
that
the
applicant
is
still
operating
their
business
illegally
at
the
property.
Our
zoning
enforcement
staff
has
asked
for
a
lease
evidence
of
the
lease.
The
applicants
indicated
that
they've
secured
a
commercial
site
for
their
business,
but
it
we
have
not
at
least
hasn't
often
provided.
B
B
In
your
packet,
you
received
the
staff
report.
We
laid
out
the
type
2
review
criteria
for
you
just
to
kind
of
circle
back
to
what's
actually
on
the
agenda.
What
is
the
commission
considering
it's
the
the
request
to
have
a
second
driveway
just
from
the
perspective
of
grade
and
there's
a
tree
there.
There
is
a
challenge
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
access
to
the
very
yard,
there
is
some
physical
challenges
of
coming
off
the
existing
driveway.
B
We
did
summarize
and
report
the
zoning
enforcement
action.
That's
not
you
know,
that's
we're
reviewing
the
type
twos
and
the
site
plan
we
did.
As
I've
mentioned,
there
is
some
physical
challenge
to
having
a
driveway
back
there.
When
we
originally
were
looking
at
this,
and
we
thought
there
was
one
garage
and
we
weren't
aware
of
an
illegal
business,
it
did
seem
reasonable
to
have
a
paved
vehicle
access
back
there
and
and
that
it
probably
needed
to
come
from
a
second
driveway.
B
B
And
that
the
all
vehicular
maneuvering
areas
be
paved
in
accordance
with
the
site
sketch
approved
by
staff
and
the
pavement
be
kept
to
the
minimum
amount
necessary
on
part
b.
We
are
recommending
denial
of
the
request,
as
proposed.
We
are
supportive
of
issuing
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
the
metal
roofing.
B
B
M
M
That
shed,
that
was
constructed
in
the
back
is
not
seen
from
the
street,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
affects
anything.
There's
like
three
neighbors.
I
believe
that
can
see
it
and
I'm
not
sure
if
they've
received
the
letters
or
anything
about
it
and
then
I
did
send
in
that
lease
commercial
lease
that
they
requested,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
didn't.
I
replied
to
the
person
that
requested
it,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
either
didn't
receive
it
or
I'm
not
sure
what
let's
say
is
going
on
there,
but.
M
M
D
D
H
F
F
The
first
three
deal
with
placement
of
the
building
and
then
the
fourth
deals
with
the
proposal
to
have
two
access
drives
from
31st
street.
The
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
parts
a
b
and
c
regarding
placement
of
the
building
and
a
denial
of
the
fourth.
So
I
believe
tonight's
discussion
will
mostly
focus
on
whether
or
not
they
should
have
two
drive
approaches
from
31st
street,
so
you're
probably
familiar
with
the
site.
F
F
The
site
plan,
as
I
mentioned,
would
allow
for
construction
of
a
two-story
office.
Building,
looking
at
the
site
plan
here
on
your
screen,
north
would
be
to
the
right
so
ingersoll
avenue
is
here
along
the
left,
so
the
first
type
to
design
alternative
deals
with
the
setback
along
ingersoll
they're
only
allowed
to
have
a
five
foot
setback
which
they
do
provide
at
the
northwest
corner.
F
I'm
sorry
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building,
but
given
the
dimensions
of
the
property
line
it
tapers
out,
so
it
has
about
a
13
foot
setback
here
at
the
south
east
corner.
The
second
design
alternative
is
to
allow
a
two-story
building
where
a
three-story
building
is
required
along
ingersoll.
It
is
two-story,
but
given
the
change
in
grade,
it
actually
appears
to
be
three
stories
on
the
north,
facade
and
I'll.
F
Show
you
the
elevations
here
shortly
and
then
the
third
design
alternative
that
staff
is
supporting
is
waiver
of
the
requirement
that
the
entrance
be
recessed
into
the
building.
We
don't
feel
it's
necessary,
given
the
placement
of
the
building
more
than
five
feet
from
that
property
line,
and
they
also
have
some
decorative
architectural
features
around
the
entry.
F
So
really,
the
fourth
and
final
alternative
that
they
need
is
they
want
to
have
one
or
I'm
sorry.
They
want
to
have
two
drive
approaches
from
31st
street,
where
only
one
is
allowed
and
staff
does
believe
that
there's
the
ability
to
close
off
this
southern
one
and
still
maintain
the
same
number
of
parking
spaces.
F
F
You'll
see
these
trees
here
along
ingersoll
avenue.
These
are
owned
by
the
city
they're
in
the
city
right
of
way,
and
the
city
arborist
or
the
city's
forestry
department
has
requested
that
they
remain
again
since
they're
the
city's
trees
and
they're,
not
on
the
private
property.
It's
not
really
under
the
commission's
purview
tonight,
here's
a
photo
along
31st
street.
You
can
see
the
existing
parking
lot
has
two
driveways,
but
staff
is
wanting
to
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
get
one
of
the
driveways
eliminated.
F
F
L
F
L
L
D
N
N
N
K
F
N
We
can
start
with
this
one,
so
this
is
a
garbage
truck
turning
into
the
development.
This
shows
if
we
were
to
utilize
just
the
northern
access
point.
That's
currently
proposed
to
accommodate
for
a
garbage
truck
to
turn
into
the
site,
access
the
dumpster
and
then
turn
around
within
the
site
and
then
exit
through
that
driveway.
N
So
here
you
can
see,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
provide
any
internal
landscaping
to
the
parking
lot.
We
would
lose
the
eastern
or
the
sorry,
the
northern
parking
stalls
that
are
crosshatched
and
thus
creating
some
challenges
with
getting
a
truck
into
in
and
out
of
the
site.
If
you
go
to
the
next
one,
we
can
see
what
the
ambulance
would
look
like.
N
So
on
this
exhibit
you
can
see
that
an
ambulance
would
be
able
to
come
in
and
turn
around
within
the
site.
So
there
isn't
an
issue
with
ambulance
access.
It
does
still
create
just
challenges
with
kind
of
three-point
turns
for
customers
and
in
close
proximity
to
the
customer
vehicles
and
the
ambulance
coming
in
and
out.
If
we
go
to
the
next
one,
we
can
see
what
a
fire
truck
would
look
like.
N
So,
as
you'd
expect,
a
truck
turning
in
and
out
of
the
site
with
one
access
is
nearly
impossible.
I
I
wouldn't
expect
say
the
fire
department
to
women.
They
choose
to
come
into
the
development,
but
if
there
was
the
need
for
emergency
access
and
then
a
period
of
I
guess,
high
stress,
turning
in
and
and
fighting
a
fire
or
what
have
you
there's,
there's
very
limiting
ability
to
get
into
the
site
if
there's
vehicles
parked
here
as
well
as
getting
out
of
the
site
and
then
if
we
go
to
the
next.
N
So
in
our
I
guess,
engineering
opinion,
we
believe
that
two
access
points
for
this
property
are
very
beneficial
from
a
service
perspective,
as
well
as
emergency
vehicular
access
and
just
customer
and
public
vehicular
access
as
well,
and
the
safety
within
the
site
and
being
able
to
navigate
it
without
needing
to
make
three-point
turns
or,
and
and
just
minimizing,
some
of
the
complex
internal.
The
property
and,
like
I
mentioned
this
property
is
very
unique.
I
Hi
thanks,
my
name
is
carol
maher.
I
live
at
701
pulp
boulevard
des
moines
50312.,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that,
rather
than
one
bike
rack
you're
providing
parking
for
three
bikes,
it
appears
that
they
are
right
near
the
front
entrance.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
would
not
be
as
a
bicyclist.
I
am
not
in
favor
of
any
more
curb
cuts
that
are
necessary
and
I
would
support
the
staff
report
on
having
just
one
curb
cut
from
a
safety
point
of
view
for
all
users
of
the
road,
including
bicyclists
and
pedestrians.
I
I
also
am
disappointed
that
while
it
may
look
like
a
three-story
building
from
the
back
the
reason,
I
believe
that
you
would
want
a
three-story
building
and
encourage
three-story
buildings
on
ingersoll,
isn't
that
they
look
like
three-story,
rather
that
they
encourage
density,
and
I
think
this
is
prime
real
estate
and
giving
away
an
opportunity
for
more
density
is
unfortunate.
Frankly,
and
I
would
well,
I
can't
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
I
D
D
N
N
There's
there's
very
little
ability
to
lose
parking
on
site,
and
one
of
I
guess
I
could
see
a
garbage
man,
either
working
internally
site
and
and
not
able
to
maneuver
or
choosing
to
back
up
onto
the
public
road
and
crossing
a
public
sidewalks
on
a
site
of
of
this
this
size.
So
I
guess
keeping
the
truck
movements.
Internal
sight
was
a
big
emphasis
for
us
and
being
able
to
keep
the
trucks
internal
sight
and
operate
it
safely,
while
having
enough
parking
to
support
a
project
of
this
density
does
require
two
access
points.
D
D
O
This
is
francis
bagasa.
I
think
the
arguments
for
the
applicant
have
been
persuasive
for
allowing
service
and
safety
vehicles
access,
although
I
prefer
to
have
one
driveway,
I
think
they
need
for
their
emergency
precautions
to
be
taken.
So,
therefore,
I
would
grant
allow
the
accept
staffer,
b
c
and
a
and
just
also
allow
to
drive
away
for
d's.
L
J
This
is
greg
jones.
I
I'm
in
a
quandary
on
this
one
because
I
I
think
it
makes
a
certain
amount
of
sense,
but
somebody
needs
to
defend
the
pedestrians
at
some
point
and
we're
not
defending
him.
We're
we're
we're
designing
for
a
fire
truck
that
will
never
go
in
there
I
mean
there's
a
street
out
there.
The
fire
truck
will
fight
it
from
the
street.
So
that's
a
bogus
argument.
In
my
view,
the
dump
the
dump
truck
or
the
trash
truck
is
an
issue.
P
Kayla,
I
just
wonder
if
relocating
the
dumpster
to
maybe
the
north
north
kind
of
row
of
parking
would
would
help
at
all
with
the
trash
truck.
I
wonder
if
the
applicant
has
kind
of
examined
that
I
don't
know
what
that
means
for
the
rest
of
the
stalls,
if
that
makes
it
easier
or
not,
but
I
wonder
if
I
wonder
if
there's
a
middle
ground
that
could
be.
P
Q
D
C
G
Q
Q
J
H
H
H
G
G
C
Q
This
is
your
legal
counsel,
again
judy
parks,
crews,
commissioners,
when
we
have
in
the
past,
had
a
motion
that
has
failed.
Then
we
have
requested
in
the
event
of
that,
to
have
an
affirmative
motion
made
in
this
case.
Probably
that
would
be
the
contra
of
the
one
that
failed
so
that
we
have
an
affirmative
vote
or
an
approval
for
a
motion
going
to
council.
Q
B
B
B
K
G
H
D
D
C
J
D
Thank
you,
tyler,
we're
now
ready
for
the
final
item.
I
item
number
10,
which
is
a
request
from
blumerfelt
eagle
point
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
located
at
7002
indianola
avenue
to
allow
development
of
the
previously
approved
site
plan
for
mobile
home
park,
with
the
waiver
of
the
requirement
for
street
trees
and
bert
will
be
presenting
this.
F
Item
I'm
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
subject
property
is
located
at
7002,
indianola
avenue.
It
contains
a
mobile
home,
a
park
that
is
currently
under
construction.
They
recently
had
a
site
plan
approved
that
met
all
of
our
requirements.
However,
they
are
now
wanting
to
amend
that
approved
site
plan
in
order
to
waive
the
requirement
that
each
lot
in
the
mobile
home
park
have
a
street
tree.
F
F
F
F
So,
as
I
mentioned,
they
had
submitted
this
letter
here
to
make
their
case.
They
point
out
that
our
ordinance
requires
that
the
all
lots
should
have
at
least
15
of
it
covered
with
a
tree
canopy
when
the
trees
are
mature
and
they're,
pointing
out
that
if
the
street
trees
were
provided,
they
would
have
a
40
canopy
coverage,
but
even
without
the
trees,
they
would
still
have
a
26
tree
canopy
covered.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
let
them
make
the
case
for
that
later.
F
However,
staff
is
not
supportive
of
the
design
alternative.
We
feel
that
they
should
be
providing
these
street
trees.
I'll
just
mention
that
during
the
review
process,
staff
had
told
them
that
we'd
be
willing
to
grant
a
type
1
design
alternative.
That
would
allow
them
to
have
a
straight
tree
on
every
other
lot,
but
they
are
not.
F
F
F
D
H
H
So,
in
order
to
allow
you
know,
garage
placement
that
really
hinders
where
we
can
place
trees,
the
only
really
time
that
an
owner
would
not
be
allowed
to
have
a
garage
as
if
they
chose
the
58
foot
wide
lot
and
wanted
to
place
a
a
wide
home
on
that
lot,
and
then
there
just
wouldn't
be
room
for
a
garage,
but
otherwise
they
all
have
options
for
garages
and
with
the
tree
canopy
and
that's
such
a
limited
space.
We
already
have
trees
in
the
towards
the
rear
of
the
yards.
H
We
can't
have
them
all
the
way
to
the
back,
because
we
have
a
10
foot,
easement
back
there
for
gas
and
electric.
Then
we
have
on
the
like
in
the
exhibit
that
you're
looking
at
now
on
the
right
side
of
the
homes
which
are
the
bold
outlined
boxes,
that's
where
their
utility
services
run.
So
that
really
leaves
us
a
small
about
11
foot
space
to
plant
a
tree
that
would
overhang
a
home
and
a
garage.
H
As
you
know,
tree
limbs,
overhanging
homes
is
very
undesirable.
So
we
really
just
don't
feel
like
this.
This
really
applies
in
your
typical
residential
development.
From
the
back
of
the
street
to
the
front
of
a
home,
you
have
about
48
feet
to
plant
a
tree
with
us
planting
trees
in
the
rear
of
these
yards.
We're
really
only
looking
about
12
more
additional
feet
for
60
feet
for
the
for
the
rear
trees
without
kind
of
pushing
in
a
tree
more
towards
the
front.
H
D
Q
R
Okay,
yes,
I'd
just
like
to
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
tonight.
I
want
to
apologize
that
mike
plummerfeld
himself
couldn't
be
present.
He
had
to
deal
with
some
family
situations,
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
I've
worked
for
this
company
for
20
years
and
I'm
actually
the
general
manager
and
a
community
manager
for
several
communities
and
also
at
this.