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From YouTube: 6-3-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
Description
Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, June 3, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
board
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
at.
A
Share
materials
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
designgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
are
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
of
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
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Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
will
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing.
Please
use
the
raise
hand
function
on
zoom
webinar
via
your
internet
or
dial
star
9
on
your
phone.
Once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
star
6
on
your
phone.
You
will
be
required
to
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
A
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
your
phones
on
mute
unless
you
have
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair.
Applicant
is
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
if
any
opponents
spoke.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
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A
This
item
will
remain
on
consent.
Agenda
tonight,
number
two
request
from
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity,
represented
by
tammy
crikes
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
site
plan
hearing
for
the
following
type:
2
design,
alternatives
for
property
located
at
4110
southwest
5th
street
to
allow
construction
of
a
house
d
building
type
in
an
n5
neighborhood
district.
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A
Number
three
will
stay
on
the
consent
agenda
number
four
city
initiated
requests
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
located
at
2014
and
2016
east
ovitt
avenue,
the
subject:
property
owned
is
owned
by
cm
real
estate,
llc
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
the
planned
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
rezoned
property
from
p1,
public,
civic
and
institutional
district
to
one
to
our
i1
industrial
district.
To
allow
the
existing
buildings
to
be
brought
into
compliance
with
their
existing
professional
office
and
warehouse
uses.
A
This
will
remain
on
consent.
Agenda
number
five
requests
from
legacy
park,
llc
represented
by
russ
frazier
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
located
at
1315-1325,
9th
street
and
1322-13328
street
determination.
As
to
whether
the
requested
zoning
is
in
conformance
with
the
planned
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
freeze
owned
property
from
n5
neighborhood
district
to
n52
neighborhood
district,
to
allow
a
two
household
dwelling
to
be
rebuilt
after
destruction
by
fire
and
allow
other
two
other
exist
or
other
existing
two
household
living
uses
on
the
subject
property
to
be
brought
into
compliance.
A
All
right,
we
will
keep
that
on
the
consent.
Agenda
number
six
requests
from
fomarfeld
eagle
point
llc
represented
by
mike
plummerfeldt
for
the
following
property
regarding
property,
located
at
1985
east
army
post
road
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
and
large-scale
development
plan
is,
in
conformance
with
the
planned
dsm
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan.
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Amendment
to
the
plan
dsm
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
classification
from
medium
density,
residential
to
business
park,
for
a
portion
of
the
property
to
the
north
review
and
approval
a
large-scale
development
plan
for
the
site,
redevelopment
of
18.5
acres
for
mobile
home
park
expansion,
rezoned
property
from
x,
mixed
use
to
nm
neighborhood
district
to
allow
use
of
the
property
for
expansion
of
the
mobile
home
park.
Currently
under
construction.
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A
requests
from
mid-american
energy
represented
by
pam
mcnaughton
for
the
following
property
located
at
2400
east
county
line,
road
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
to
the
plan
dsm
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
to
revise
future
land
use
classification
review
and
approval
a
large-scale
development
plan
and
re-zone
property
from
into
b
to
i2.
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B
E
A
Thank
you,
tyler.
We
will
now
move
on
to
the
public
hearing.
As
requested
item
number
two
was
pulled
from
consent
and
we
will
hear
that
that
item
first
I'll.
Just
briefly
recap:
it's
a
request
from
the
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity,
represented
by
tammy
craigs
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
site
plan
for
the
following
type
2
design
alternatives.
D
D
Habitat
for
humanity
is
proposing
a
house.
New
construction
and
part
of
the
relief
is
the
setback
from
leech
avenue,
the
proposing
12.25
setback
from
their
south
property
line.
You
can
see
kind
of
how
that
relates
to
the
sidewalk.
That's
about
their
property
lines
about
probably
about
a
foot
behind
the
walk,
and
then
this
curb
line
from
southwest
fifth
they'd
have
a
45
foot
step
back,
which
is
pretty
comparable
to
the
house
to
the
north.
D
Just
some
information
from
the
applicant
on
their
analysis
of
the
garage
proposal
staff
report,
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
request.
I'm
not
gonna
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
on
the
shed
versus
garage.
You
know.
We've
we've
discussed
that
as
part
of
the
code
amendments.
We
think
this
fits
the
criteria
of
what
we're
expecting
you
look
around
in
the
neighborhood.
D
It's
a
neighborhood
that
has
other
properties
in
it
that
do
not
have
a
garage.
So
we
don't
we
it's.
It
fits
the
character,
we
believe
the
staff
and
then
with
the
setback.
That's
the
other
part.
I
think
that
what
they're
proposing
is
reasonable,
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
space
a
lot
they
have.
The
lot
is
a
buildable
lot.
There's
a
legal
right
to
be
able
to
build
on
it.
It's
not
a
terribly
large
house.
We
don't
believe
a
staff
that
they're
trying
to
overbuild
the
house.
D
It
would
set
back
from
the
corner
with
that
45
foot
set
back
from
the
west
property
line.
Excuse
me
the
east
property
line,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval.
This
is
the
response
map
we
didn't.
Have
anybody
submit
anything
in
with
a
written
signature
that
would
allow
us
to
put
put
that
on
the
response
map,
but
we
did
get
an
email
from
a
neighbor
who
requested
that
he'd
be
pulled
tonight.
D
J
Good
evening,
thank
you,
members
of
the
commission,
lance
henning
with
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity,
2200
east
euclid
in
des
moines,
and
that
I
think
the
the
main
pieces
were
covered
in
the
presentation
there
that
we
are
asking
the
the
lot
of
record
on
there
kind
of
follows.
The
original
plot
in
the
neighborhood
and
so
being
able
to
have
the
the
setback
on
the
corner
allows
us
to
be
able
to
fit
the
house
there.
J
It
matches
the
neighborhood
and
the
characteristic
the
house
plan
itself
that
it'll
end
up.
There
will
be
five
bedrooms
overall,
it's
the
up
upstairs
floor
on.
There
is
about
1158
square
feet,
and
we
expect
that
this
will
praise
out
at
about
190
000,
the
average
immediately
around
the
neighborhood.
There
was
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
as
far
as
the
valuation
of
the
home,
so
we
do
believe
we're
adding
value
to
the
neighborhood
with
the
existing
or
the
sidewalk
and
the
way
that
lay
out.
J
We
do
believe
that'll
keep
traffic
separated
from
the
yard
and
the
aspects
going
on
there
and
then
for
an
exemption
on
the
garage.
We,
as
was
noted,
we
are
adding
the
storage
shed
both
with
a
full
basement
and
the
storage
shed.
We
believe
there's
more
than
adequate
room
for
storage
and
aspect
on
there
believe
that
we
are
fitting
the
characteristic
of
the
neighborhood
and
adding
value
to
that.
So
I
think
keep
the
comments
to
there
appreciate
your
guys
consideration
and
all
that's
helping
to
move
this
forward.
K
Hi
there
thank
you,
I'm
the
neighbor
that
had
sent
in
the
email,
so
I
think
our
primary
concern
we've
been
here
since
the
prior
house
was
on
that
location.
The
prior
house
was
actually
a
lot
smaller
and
it
was
still
kind
of
intrusive
being
so
close
to
the
street.
In
the
view,
I
I
guess
I
have
one.
I
got
primary
question
the
way
that
when
we
read
the
original
sheet,
we
read
that
as
12.25
feet
away
from
the
street
side.
K
D
K
That
does
help
we
have.
I
have
no
concern
about
not
having
a
garage
there.
I
think
our
our
main
concern
is
it
being
too
close
to
the
street.
Like
I
said
it,
it
it
actually
used
to
be
a
very,
very
hectic
intersection.
There
were
quite
a
few
accidents
there.
People
come
down
from
southwest
night,
quite
fast,
so
we're
just
you
know
we
have.
K
We
live
right
across
the
street
from
there
we
have
kids
that
are
out
playing,
and
you
know
our
biggest
concern
is
having
it
too
close
to
the
street
and
having
a
car
drive
in
the
side
of
it
or
having.
You
know
more
accidents,
it's
not
a
four-way,
stop
at
that
intersection,
so
people
are
not
slowing
down.
So
you
know
we
just
we
worry
about
the
house
being
too
close.
A
A
B
H
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Tyler
we're
gonna
move
on
to
public
hearing
item
number
eight,
a
public
hearing
regarding
proposed
amendments
for
the
zoning
ordinance
and
planning
and
design
ordinance
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
zoning,
ordinance
and
planning
and
design
ordinance
are,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
an
adoption
of
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
and
planning
and
design
ordinance,
and
it's
my
understanding
that
mike
ludwig
is
here
to
discuss
these
items.
M
Those
difficulties
resulted
in
some
manual
page
numbering
and
photocopying
of
previously
printed
copies
of
the
code,
which
really
distorted
some
of
the
images
that
were
in
the
document.
It
also
prevented
us
from
removing
say
draft
stamps,
on
the
documents
and
from
correcting
typos
and
things
that
have
been
in
the
code.
M
So
we
had
to
remove
all
the
references
to
previous
references
to
community
development
director
in
the
code.
So
those
were
like
the
minor
revisions
to
both
of
those
chapters.
We
also
proposed
some
major
revisions.
We
presented
those
to
you
at
the
work
session
at
your
last
meeting
and
you
know
in
chapter
134,
a
majority
of
the
things
were
like
addressing
legacy
provisions
for
planned
unit
developments
that
carried
into
the
new
code.
M
M
We
also
have
some
changes
to
our
code
regarding
signage,
primarily,
what
we're
proposing
in
that
is
making
all
signage
relief
or
square
footage
or
number
of
signs
be
a
type
1
exception
from
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
or
from
the
board
of
adjustment
instead
of
a
variance
that
would
not
apply
to
billboards
or
prohibited
signs
such
as
electronic
signs.
So
it's
mainly
just
static
signs
that
you
know
routinely
have
gone
to
the
board
of
adjustment
for
relief
to
the
size
or
the
number.
M
M
It
follows
really
how
we
implemented
those
those
provisions
under
the
old
code,
but
we
are
clarifying
that
in
this
document
again
we
have
eliminated
some
of
the
required
ground
floor
commercial
space
on
some
of
the
more
auto
dominant
corridors
and
zoning
districts
and
building
types,
basically
allowing
horizontal
mix
use
on
a
site
rather
than
necessarily
mandating
mixed
use
with
commercial
on
a
ground
floor
about
of
a
you
know,
vertical
mixed
use.
In
the
same
building,
we
have
proposed
to
amend
some
of
the
window
facade
requirements
on
single-family
residential
homes
on
the
non-primary
street
frontage.
M
Typically,
those
have
had
to
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment
for
a
variance
in
the
past,
and
now
they
would
just
be
a
accessory
structure
under
chapter
135.
Now,
since
the
the
messaging
on
those
is
intended
for
the
for
the
attendees
of
the
events,
it's
not
intended
to
be
advertising
to
passing
motorists.
M
We
are
making
a
modification
to
the
facade
material
requirements
right
now.
The
code
technically
requires
masonry
to
return
20
feet
around
the
corner
of
a
building
that
he
also
applies
on
a
residential
property.
If
it's
there,
we've
not
been
applying
it
in
that
manner.
We've
we've
been
only
requiring
it
to
go
two
feet
on
a
residential
house,
so
this
code
clarifies
that
provision
of
the
code,
and
then
we
have
clarified
some
of
our
landscape
calculations.
M
One
issue
that
has
been
a
major
item-
that's
been
on
several
plan
and
zoning.
Commission
agendas
has
been
sidewalk
installation
requirements
and
you
obviously
have
had
numerous
requests
for
waivers
of
sidewalk
installation
on
streets
where
there's
no
existing
sidewalk
today,
it
would
be
the
only
lot
on
the
block
for
several
blocks.
M
That
would
have
a
sidewalk,
and
so
we
did
do
some
review
of
that
with
this,
with
a
council
workshop
and
with
the
city
manager's
office,
and
basically,
what
is
proposed
in
this
ordinance
would
be
that
a
type
one
design
alternative,
which
would
be
an
administrative
decision,
could
be
granted
to
waive
sidewalks
on
priority
two
and
priority
three
corridors
that
are
identified
in
the
move.
Dsm
transportation
plan
on
priority
one
sidewalk
routes
staff
could
allow
a
deferral
of
the
installation
subject
to
provision
of
a
escrow
agreement
for
that
installation.
M
Those
priority
one
sidewalks
or
corridors
are
where
the
city
is
planning,
sidewalk
installations
in
the
near
future,
and
so
those
escrow
funds.
If
we
deferred
the
construction
to
allow
it
to
time
with
the
city
project,
we
would
put
those
escrow
funds
into
the
budget
for
that
sidewalk
construction.
But
we
do
believe
there.
There
is
a
reasonable
time
frame
for
those
escrow
agreements.
We
would
have
to
continually
extend
them
and
on
priority,
I'm
sorry
on
priority
two
and
three
corridors,
the
those
are
so
far
out
they're,
not
in
our
capital
improvement
budget.
M
It
will
be
more
than
ten
years
before
those
priority
two
and
priority
three
sidewalks
would
ever
be
addressed
by
the
city.
There's
a
strong
likelihood
that
if
we
make
somebody
put
in
a
sidewalk
now
for
a
single
lot
that
it
could
be
many
many
years
before
any
other
sidewalk
is
installed
in
that
area,
it
would
potentially
be
replaced
before
any
sidewalk
would
be
installed
in
that
area,
and
there
may
be
no
sidewalk
ever
in
some
of
those
areas.
M
M
I
will
say
that
if,
if
we
believe
there
is
sidewalk
imminent
or
if
there
is
sidewalk
in
the
vicinity,
we
can
still
make
the
sidewalk
be
installed
and
if
staff
does
not
grant
the
type
one
design
alternative
in
that
instance,
they
would
still
be
able
to
come
to
the
planning
commission
and
seek
relief.
But
we
do
think
that
this
will
reduce
some
of
the
workload
on
the
planning
commission
where
you've
had
to
deal
with
sidewalks
recently
and
it
deals
with
it
in
a
fair
manner.
M
Another
major
change
of
item
that
has
been
for
the
commission-
and
you
know
you
just
had
one
on
the
agenda
tonight-
was
the
garage
requirement
we
are
proposing
that
we
eliminate
the
character
analysis.
Currently
code
requires
us
to
staff
to
do
an
analysis
of
properties
within
250
feet
of
the
subject
property.
M
M
We
are
proposing
to
eliminate
that
character,
calculation,
analysis
and
ultimately
allow
staff
to
grant
a
type
one
design
alternative
to
waive
the
garage
subject
to
provision
of
the
150
square
foot
shed
on
the
property,
and
I
think
that
that
obviously
follows
what
the
commission
is
granted.
You
just
granted
it
on
the
agenda
tonight.
You've
granted
it
multiple
times
throughout
the
past
year,
and
so
we
think
that
we're
just
realistically
eliminating
time
and
process
and
making
that
a
more
user-friendly
provision
in
the
code.
M
You
know
other
than
that,
I
think
most
of
the
items
on
the
major
list
that
I've
tried
to
highlight
those
there
are
others
listed
there.
Those
documents
are
available
for
review
on
the
plan
dsm
website,
both
the
minor
and
major
revisions,
and
you
know
we
do
believe
that
we
are
committed
to
making
this
code
better
making
revisions.
M
M
Again,
there
will
be
an
additional
round
of
discussions
on
revisions
of
the
code
later
this
fall,
and
you
know
those
those
those
revisions
will
continue
on
it's
a
living
document.
So
with
that,
the
staff
is
recommending
that
the
commission
find
these
proposed
amendments
and
versions
pdfs
of
the
code,
in
conformance
with
plan
dsm
on
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan,
and
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
proposed
amendments
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
G
Mike
this
is
will
page
here.
I
do
have
a
question
about
article
eight,
the
sidewalk
installation
requirements.
This
is
very
helpful
to
clarify
what
the
city
wants
and
wishes
for
for
everyone
concerned,
including
the
commissioners,
particularly
the
escrow
agreement,
I
think,
is
a
a
solution
to
a
problem.
That's
been
out
there
for
quite
a
while.
I
assume
that
traffic
and
transportation
has
gone
along
and
approved.
All
of
this,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
but
sort
of.
G
In
conclusion,
I
want
to
thank
you
and
everyone
in
the
city.
That's
done
this,
both
with
article
8
and
all
the
rest
of
them,
but
also
I
suggest
that
since
this
has
been
resolved-
and
I
think
satisfactorily
that
we
should
dissolve
the
ad
hoc
committee,
that
it
was
originally
established
to
find
the
solution
that
the
city
has
found.
Thank
you.
M
M
The
traffic
and
transportation
department
was
a
part
of
these
discussions
and
so
clearly
the
at
the
council
workshop
when
we
discussed
with
the
council,
I
mean
this
is
a
change
from
council's
previous
direction
to
our
engineering
staff
as
well.
So
they've
been
involved
in
the
discussions,
and
you
know
our
thoughts
on
the
escrow
agreement
are
that
we
will
come
up
with
a
a
simple
per
lineal
foot
estimate
for
sidewalk
that
can
be
multiplied
by
the
frontage,
and
then
there
will
be
we've
discussed
having
a
cap
on
the
escrow
agreement.
M
So
I
think
we
found
a
good
compromise
on
it
and
I,
I
appreciated
the
input
of
the
of
the
committee
early
on
in
this
process.
You
you
clearly
raised
this
as
an
issue
and
it
took
us
some
time
to
to
find
a
solution.
We
had
to
really
look
at
a
lot
of
different
things
and
it
it.
It
was
a
challenge,
but
I
hope
that
this
is
a
reasonable
compromise.
Thank.
F
M
F
M
M
A
limited
amount
of
budget
that
can
go
into
the
sidewalks
on
an
annual
basis,
and
so
we
know
it
is
at
least
10
years
or
more
of
work
on
priority.
One
sidewalks,
it's
10
would
be
a
very
minimal
estimate
on
that
timeline,
so
priority
two
and
priority
three
they're
they're
so
far
out
in
our
capital
improvement
budget.
M
That
I
mean
literally,
we
would
be
asking
someone
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
and
it
would
probably
be
crumbled
and
need
replaced
before
we
would
ever
see
the
city
project
coming
in
to
put
in
the
sidewalk
at
that
point.
So
I
don't
have
an
absolute
time
frame
on
when
we'll
be
done
with
all
the
priority
one
sidewalks,
but
it
is
a
substantial
period
of
time
and
it
was
longer
than
we
were
comfortable
holding
escrow
funds
or
tracking
those
escrow
funds
for
those
those
longer
longer
term
projects
that
may
never
have
a
sidewalk.
M
J
Hello,
members
of
the
commission,
lance
henning
with
greater
des
moines
habitat
for
humanity,
2200
east
euclid,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
these
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
that,
from
all
the
conversations
that
we've
had
that
appreciate
how
we're
being
listened
and
that
there,
the
changes
are
happening
here.
That
will
help
around
housing
and
des
moines.
As
part
of
some
of
these
changes
here.
So
thankful
for
those
and
and
supportive
of
these
changes.
H
A
A
A
D
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa
with
the
planning
staff.
Before
I
get
started
with
my
presentation,
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
chairs
reading
of
the
agenda.
The
commission's
task
tonight
is
to
review
the
design
to
look
at
these
two
type,
two
design,
alternative
requests
and
that's
really
the
focus
of
the
presentation.
D
The
last
time,
the
general
concept
of
a
fairway
store
at
this
site
was
before
the
commission.
That
was
a
rezoning
request
to
add
some
land
to
the
site.
That
rezoning
request
was
ultimately
approved
by
the
city
council
with
some
zoning
conditions,
but
tonight
we're
really
looking
at
the
architecture
of
the
building
itself.
D
D
D
D
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
zoom
in
to
the
east
elevation
with
face
beaver
avenue
in
the
staff
recommendation,
we're
generally
supportive.
We
had
a
couple
comments
and
since
they're
all
related
to
the
architecture,
I'm
just
gonna
go
through
over
them
right
now,
since
you
have
the
body
in
front
of
you
and
it'll
make
a
little
more
sense.
D
I
j
just
noting
that
there's
two
types
of
glass,
this
all
looks
like
windows,
but
some
of
it's
a
spandrel,
because
if
there's
back
of
house
type
activities-
and
I
have
the
floor
plan,
we
can
show
you
that
along
beaver
avenue,
it
was
unclear
to
us
if,
if
this
really
their
41
percent
of
transparency,
whether
or
not
that
was
including
this
band
roll
and
whether
or
not
the
spangle
glass
would
comply
with
the
tran.
The
light
transmission
transmission.
D
Excuse
me:
I
can't
talk
tonight
requirements,
so
we
want
to
clarify
that
with
the
applicant
we
recognize
there
are
some
limitations
to
visibility
here.
That's
why
we're
generally
supporting
the
concept,
but
we
did
have
a
condition
addressing
that.
I
think
the
bigger
one
that
we
have
comment
on
is
is
how
this
entrance
is
treated.
We
would
like
to
see
the
architecture
react
to
that
in
a
little
stronger
way.
D
I
believe
this
area
here
is
restrooms
and
then
maybe
this
is
kind
of
a
display
area,
but
I
think
there's
a
way
to
look
at
the
to
manipulate
this
part
of
the
facade
and
give
it
a
little
stronger
of
a
an
entrance
feel
if
you
look
at
the
doorway
that
faces
towards
the
parking
lot.
You
know
that
has
a
more
like
this
is
an
obvious
entrance
to
the
building
feel
to
it
and
that's
what
we're
looking
for
here.
D
D
P
D
So
that
entrance
the
way
the
code
set
up
for
this
type
of
building
of
a
building
type,
this
amount
of
frontage
would
require
two
entrances.
I
think
one
is
fine.
Like
I
said
just
it
needs
to
have
a
little
more
emphasis
to
it,
see
restrooms
along
that
part
of
the
facade,
and
then
we
have
an
employee
area
along
here.
D
D
D
Q
D
D
D
But
generally
you
know
from
a
material
standpoint.
I
think
they've
hit
what
we're
looking
for
and
it's
broken
up.
The
bigger
questions
is
just
really
are:
does
it
feel
like
the
front
of
a
building
or
is
it
more
of
a
secondary
side
or
facade,
and
I
think
if
we
can
get
a
little
more
emphasis
around
that
entrance,
we
can
give
it
a
little
stronger
front
feel
to
it.
Q
D
D
D
D
D
A
L
Yes,
this
is
austin
weidel
with
simonson
associates
architects,
1717
ingersoll
avenue
here
in
des
moines,
and
I
am
speaking
on
the
behalf
of
the
applicant,
which
is
fairway
I'd
like
to
quickly
kind
of
touch.
On
the
background
of
our
design,
intent,
we've
been
in
collaboration
with
fairway
for
the
past
12
months,
trying
to
kind
of
blend
the
beaverdale
characteristics
with
fairway's
meat
market
concept,
specifically
their
aim
store,
which
has
a
little
bit
more
of
a
modern
spin
to
it.
L
You
know
the
red,
brick
and
stuff
that
jason
alluded
to
the
ornament,
ornamental
brick
accessories
and
detailing
ornamental
cornices,
and
trying
to
create
that
nice
blend
with
the
concept
that
they're
trying
to
use
moving
forward,
and
then
I'd
like
to
touch
on
the
the
outside
outstanding
items
for
commissions
for
the
commission's
consideration
regarding
the
primary
entrance
jason.
If
you
can
go
back
to
the
the
floor
plan,
please.
L
L
We
understand
the
reason
for
the
requirement,
the
transparency
requirements
to
engage
the
street
and
the
pedestrian
activity
back
to
the
operational
functionality.
That's
the
back
of
house,
so
we
don't
know
if
we
want
people
seeing
seeing
in
there
a
potential
solution
for
your
consideration
would
potentially
be
some
to
activate
that
sidewalk.
More
with
additional
landscaping,
benches
lighting-
and
maybe
we
look
at
a
mural
on
that
spaniel
glass
and
collaborate
with
the
neighborhood
to
try
to
create
something
special
there.
So
thank
you.
D
S
My
name
is
david
debord.
I
live
at
2741st
place.
The
plenty
of
zoning
commission
made
a
correct
decision
last
last
month
to
deny
the
abusive
site
planned
by
fairway.
Unfortunately,
the
mayor
and
city
council
chose
to
ignore
your
decision
and
they
approved
fairway's
plan
to
tear
down
a
beaverdale
brick
house
to
put
in
a
parking
lot
and
driveway
access
from
41st
place.
An
adjoining
residential
street.
S
Now
fairway
has
returned
to
ask
for
yet
another
variance:
no
pedestrian
access
from
beaver
avenue,
no
no
door
on
the
beaver
avenue
facade
of
their
shiny,
new
store.
Fairway
wants
the
cachet
of
being
in
beaverdale.
They
surely
want
a
beaver
avenue
address
because
that's
good
for
marketing.
However,
they
don't
want
an
access
from
beaver.
S
Beaverdale
is
a
walking
neighborhood
and
the
beaverdale
shopping
area
is
a
walk
to
destination
walkers
pass
by
my
house,
I'm
about
a
block
away.
They
push
new
lawnmowers,
wheelbarrows
and
other
items
from
ace
hardware.
Packages
of
food
clothing,
other
items
from
other
bevidel
shops
typically
move
down
our
sidewalk
day
night
summer.
Winter
individuals
and
entire
families
go
to
beaver
avenue
to
shop
dine
pick
up
to
go
food
and
enjoy
the
ambiance
of
the
area.
S
S
S
A
T
T
That
said,
I
worry
that
the
proposed
site
plan
is
neither
inviting
nor
particularly
accessible
to
pedestrian
patrons
of
our
commercial
corridor.
Despite
the
applicant's
repeated
claims
that
the
walkability
of
the
beaverdale
business
district
is
one
of
the
features
that
most
interested
them
in
the
site,
I
agree.
The
walkability
is
one
of
the
main
assets
of
our
neighborhood's
commercial
area
and
I
believe
it
is
critical
to
our
future
as
well.
T
Indeed,
the
city
of
des
moines,
as
well
as
other
entities,
both
public
and
private,
spend
considerable
resources
a
decade
ago
on
a
skate
project
along
avenue
to
enhance
and
ensure
the
walk
of
the
area
in
perpetuity.
The
shape
of
the
question
and
the
surrounding
traffic
patterns
only
present
some
design
challenges
to
which
I'm
sympathetic.
T
For
instance,
I
understand
the
applicant's
desire
to
have
their
main
entrance
parking
lot,
particularly
after
committing
so
much
capital,
financial
and
otherwise
to
acquiring
the
scale
of
parking
lot.
It
appears
they
will
have,
and
I
don't
doubt
that
this
orientation
means
that
including
pedestrian
access
from
beaver
avenue
presents
challenges
with
regard
to
the
interior
floor
plan
of
the
business.
But
I
also
trust
that
the
applicant
has
many
talented
and
well-compensated
people
capable
of
meeting
just
such
a
challenge.
T
I
trust
that
those
of
you
familiar
with
the
neighborhood
will
agree
so
with
the
risk
of
hyperbole.
I
think
it
will
suffice
to
say
that
such
an
access
is
necessary
for
the
applicant
to
fulfill
its
long-stated
commitment
to
build
to
suit
the
neighborhood
and
also
to
avoid
having
its
literal
back
turned
toward
the
business
community.
It
seeks
to
join
as
regards
the
matter
of
ground
floor
transparency,
while
I'm
certain
that
an
unimpeded
behind-the-scenes
view
of
the
goings-on
of
a
meat
counter
wouldn't
be
a
highlight
of
the
beaverdale
business
district
experience
and
incorporating
enough
translucency.
T
That
passersby
can
at
least
sense
the
activity
and
bustle
inside
the
business.
Would
add
to
the
sense
of
vibrancy
in
the
neighborhood's
commercial
area?
I
am
eager
to
welcome
the
applicant
to
the
neighborhood,
but
I
ask
that
they
amend
their
site
plan
to
reflect
and
enhance
the
aspect
of
our
business
district
that
drew
them
to
it
in
the
first
place
and
which
they
have
promised
to
maintain
walkability.
I
believe
this
can
be
done
in
three
ways.
T
Second,
as
city
staff
has
also
recommended
use
glass
with
a
higher
transmittance
factor
on
the
facades,
along
both
beaver
and
preferably
also
urbandale,
avenues
and
lastly,
as
some
of
the
residents
of
41st
place,
have
requested,
make
the
westernmost
parking
lot
access
exit
only
to
reduce
points
of
conflict
between
vehicles
and
pedestrians.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
L
Yes,
this
is
austin
weidel
simonson
associates.
Again
I
just
like
to
reiterate
kind
of
the
driving
factor
is
fairways
fixture
plan
with
with
not
having
another
entry
point
there
on
the
northeast
corner.
It
helps
with
loss,
prevention
and
stuff,
like
that,
and
I'd
like
to
bring
up
that
ace
hardware
across
the
street
doesn't
have
much
of
the
glazing
as
well.
I
realize
that's
an
old
ordinance,
but
I
would
like
to
bring
that
up
as
well.
Thank
you.
O
O
O
So
I
would
support
staff
in
this
site
plan
and
I
think
it's
an
fairway
has
demonstrated
a
commitment
to
working
with
the
neighbors
in
a
community
of
8
000
people
living
in
beaverdale
you're,
never
going
to
have
unanimous
opinions
on
one
subject
and-
and
I
respect
differing
opinions,
but
the
vast
majority
of
the
people.
I've
spoken
with,
and
I've
been
connected
to
this
community
for
16
years
involved,
with
both
the
membership
and
bna
in
the
fall
festival.
For
seven
years.
A
This
is
emily
webb
and
my
mother
actually
works
at
fairway
in
emmitsburg
iowa,
so
not
here,
but
I
can
attest
to
how
good
they
are
to
her
and
they're
just
a
great
employer
to
that
community
as
well,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
what
you
said
and
agree
that
I
think
fairway
has
done
a
good
job
here
and
they're
good
to
their
employees
and
proven
to
be
good
to
their
community,
the
community
that
they
serve.
So
I
am
also
in
favor
of
that
francis
did.
You
want
to
make
a
motion.
O
H
Q
Q
I
I
did
vote
to
approve
their
site
plan
when
it
came
through,
I'm
sorry,
the
rezoning.
I
think
this
is
absolutely
a
fundamental
thing.
That's
missing
and
I
think
it's
great,
I
have
some
pretty
serious
reservations
with
the
current
site
plan
and
and
architecture,
and
I
just
want
to
share
a
few
of
them
with
with
the
board.
Q
Q
I
think
there
needs
to
be
rethinking,
for
instance,
the
front
entry
should
not
be
on
the
street
a
token
entry.
I
think
it's
it's
very
evident
in
their
architecture
with
that
sort
of
raised
hat
form,
which
I
think
is
over
their
vestibule.
I
can't
quite
tell
on
these
elevations
and
the
large
vestibule
to
the
backside
that
this
store
is
very
dominant
oriented
towards
the
parking
lot.
Q
I
personally
feel
that
they
need
to
someone
brought
up
the
aced
hardware,
which
I
think
was
the
walgreens
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it
had
a
previous
life,
has
an
entry
that
faces
their
parking
lot,
but
it
also
is
at
the
corner
and
addresses
the
street,
and
I
think
that's
the
key
here.
You
know
I
understand.
Theft,
prevention
and
the
idea
of
two
entries
is
not
a
good
idea,
but
it
could
be
one
entry
that
maybe,
instead
of
being
on
beaver,
maybe
it's
on
urbandale
or
it's
at
the
corner.
Q
Q
I
I
G
This
is
will
page
sort
of
echoing
what
I've
just
heard
from
two
other
commissioners
and
the
actually
the
staff
recommendation
addresses
part
of
the
problem.
The
staff
recommendation
wants
a
change
to
the
look
of
what's
supposed
to
be
an
entrance
to
make
it
look
more
like
an
entrance,
but
in
point,
in
fact
it
isn't
an
entrance
and
that's
the
design
issue
as
well.
Q
Q
I
actually
think
that,
unfortunately,
ace
proves
to
me
that
it's
a
bad
idea.
You
know
it's
a
very
dead
elevation
as
you
walk
along.
You
know,
once
you
pass
walking
the
front
entry
and
you're
heading
towards
the
intersection,
it's
so
unfortunate,
that's
just
really
a
dead
zone,
and
when
you
do
that
type
of
glass,
it's
very
fake.
To
be
honest,
I
would
rather
have
no
glass
or
a
lot
more
transparency
and
really
rethinking
the
plan.
Q
I
remember
when
there
was
a
meat
market
years
ago,
when
I
moved
here
at
the
corner
of
beaver,
where
it
kind
of
bends
to
42nd
or
whatever,
where
the
mst
bar
is
now
the
restaurant
and
that
meat
market
had
a
beautiful
front
entry
and
the
meat
counter
was
in
the
back,
and
it
was
just
a
very
awesome.
Neighborhood
meat
market
and-
and
I
know
fairway
can
be
one
as
well,
but
I
think
they
need
to
rethink
this
typical
plant.
M
H
A
I
A
A
So
in
this
event,
the
affirmative
motion
would
be
denial
rather
than
approval
or
a
different
motion
to
approve
with
different
conditions,
for
example,
but
we
do
typically
ask
that
an
affirmative
motion
be
made
so
that
if,
if
an
appeal
to
counsel
is
taken-
or
if
it's
in
a
recommendation,
for
example,
that
would
automatically
go
to
council,
we
have
an
affirmative
motion
going
to
the
council.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
glenna
would
that
be
appropriate
for
what
you
need?
Yes,
so
what
I,
what
I
think
it
would
be
applicable
and,
commissioner
page
can
correct
me
if
needed.
The
motion
is
to
deny,
with
the
directive,
to
fairway
the
applicant
that
they
review
the
design
again
to
see
that
that
whether
the
commissioner's
concerns
can
be
addressed.
I
C
F
H
B
K
A
A
request
from
ipe
1031
rv
rev
353
llc,
represented
by
blake
polyai
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
located
at
505
sheridan
ave
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
zoning
is,
in
conformance
with
planned,
dsm,
free
zone
property
from
i1
to
i2,
to
allow
existing
property
to
be
considered
for
conditional
use
and
jason.
I
believe
you
are
on
up.
D
This
is
an
aerial
identifying
the
subject:
property
on
the
north
side
of
sheridan
avenue
to
the
east
of
sixth
avenue,
existing
building
a
storage
parking
yard
to
the
north
photograph.
Looking
this
is
that
that
building
some
of
this
is
land,
that's
joining
property,
but
looking
towards
the
east
and
slightly
north
towards
the
the
site,
and
then
this
is,
from
the
opposite
end.
Looking
northwest
with
the
site
back
here
in
the
background
a
little
bit
of
other
land
in
the
way,
but
just
to
be
able
to
give
you
a
full
perspective.
D
D
D
D
D
We
also
received
a
very
lengthy
letter
from
a
nearby
property
owner.
I
have
it
in
the
file.
I
I'm
going
to
assume
that
they're
here
tonight
and
can
provide
a
summary
of
this,
but
it
is
here
we
can
come
back
to
at
any
point.
I
think
they
just
they
did
an
in-depth
job
of
documenting
their
concerns
with
how
it's
operated
and
impacts
on
the
area
provided
a
few
photographs.
D
D
D
D
P
A
D
U
Can
you
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
Everybody
chairman
members
of
the
commission.
This
is
eric
cannon,
2727,
southwest
schneider
boulevard
here
in
the
office
tonight
and
associates
representing
the
property
owner,
who
is
also
on
the
call,
as
well
as
the
current
tenant
of
king's
throne,
who
I
believe
is
on
the
call
as
well
and
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anybody
has.
U
We
are
here
tonight
asking
for
rezoning.
We've
had
several
discussions
with
staff.
I
know
this
use
is
a
little
tricky.
It's
not
black
and
white.
As
far
as
the
zoning
goes,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
and
I
think
the
zoning
official
ultimately
felt
that
the
the
rezoning
was
required,
as
well
as
some
conditional
use
from
board
of
adjustments
for
this
for
this
use
to
stay
here.
So
that
is
why
we
are
in
front
of
it
tonight.
U
You
know
the
all
intended
purposes
of
the
tenant
going
in
here
was
that
it
was
an
industrial
use,
an
industrial
zoning
district
and,
after
some
determination
again
by
the
zoning
official,
they
determined
that
it
would
require
this
route.
So
that
was
why
we
are
here
tonight.
I
know
the
use
of
portable
restrooms
can
be
a
tricky
area
as
far
as
some
perception
to
the
use
and
the
operation
at
the
facility.
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
we
are
only
talking
about
the
storage
of
clean
plastic
containers.
U
I
get
the
connotation
that
comes
with
portable
restroom
facilities,
but
there
is
no
human
waste
stored
on
site.
They
are
completely
emptied
and
cleaned
at
the
wastewater
treatment
facility
in
the
city
of
des
moines
before
they
are
brought
onto
this
property.
So
this
is
literally
a
staging
ground
for
clean
plastic
containers
that
are
used
for
obviously
their
contracts
that
they
have
throughout
the
community.
U
So
again,
I
know
this
is
something
there
has
been
a
lot
of
discussion
a
lot
of
rumors,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is.
That
is
the
intended
operation
and
goal
here.
How
many
conditions
that
would
be
required,
we're
willing
to
discuss
and
have
those
conversations
all
fencing.
Any
items
like
that
that
would
be
required
by
code
or
anything
else,
we're
more
than
happy
to
accommodate
those
those
those
things
so
appreciate.
Everybody's
time.
U
On
this,
as
far
as
the
community
outreach
judykovid,
as
you
guys
know,
we
were
not
able
to
hold
a
neighborhood
meeting.
We
did
provide
a
neighborhood
letter
to
the
notification
district,
which
was
consistent
with
the
limits
that
the
city
reached
out
to
for
the
public
hearing.
We
did
receive
one
call
and
two
emails
in
regards
to
the
use
in
the
facility.
U
The
school
district
reached
out
with
concerns
with
screening,
as
far
as
the
fencing
being
required
and
obviously
we're
willing
to
accommodate
any
requirements
for
the
city
to
meet
that
that
item
there
and
there
was
concerns
regarding
the
holding
and
containing
of
human
waste
on
site,
and
we
communicated
that,
as
that
is
not
the
case
at
all,
there's
there's
no
grounds
or
any
permits
that
would
even
meet
that
requirement
for
this
location.
So
again,
you
know
we
are
talking
about
storing
clean
plastic
containers.
U
A
N
Hi
harry
and
tracy.
Actually
hello.
Can
you
hear
us?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
great,
as
you
pointed
out
our
well
as
you
shared
our
opposition's
already
on
record
I'd
I'd
like
to
add
to
that-
or
I
guess
maybe
clarify
three
things.
First,
the
based
on
what
we've
experienced
during
the
past
year.
The
proposed
use
statement
seems
a
bit
disingenuous
outdoor
storage
yard
for
portable
toilets,
doesn't
quite
capture
the
nature
of
what
we've
felt
seen
and
smelled.
N
So
presumably
a
waste
drop
station.
You
know
we
were
thinking,
bring
in
the
chemical,
toilets,
drop
the
waste
store
it
for
a
bit
vacuum
it
into
tankers
and
and
take
it
off
site,
the
probably
over
the
past
year.
I
think
our
building's
been
filled
with
sewage
smell
for
hours
three
times
four
times
that
seems
to
occur
when
a
truck
is
actively
pumping
waste.
N
I
don't
know
if
they're
vacating,
the
tanks
that
were
buried
underground
or
if
they're
moving
from
port-a-potty
to
to
tanker
truck,
but
whatever
is
being
evacuated
from
those
trucks
smells
and
depending
on
the
direction
the
air
is
blowing.
You
know
that
smell
can
hitch
it.
So
that's
that's
affected
us
the
of
course
the
unsightliness
of
the
toilets
out
our
south
southern
windows.
N
You
know
not
thrilled
with
it,
but
you
know
every
everybody
has
to
exist
somewhere,
and
I
realize
this
is
kind
of
an
easy
target.
But
you
know
in
our
opinion,
it's
again
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
dry
storage.
What
we've
witnessed
is
a
waste
processing
and
transportation
depot,
and-
and
I
think
that
has
other
implications
in
terms
of
zoning,
the
the
tanker
truck
traffic
and
things
like
that
item
2.2,
irrespective
of
current
use,
i2
allows
for
the
high
potential
for
external
impacts
of
noise
vibration,
odor
hours
of
operation
and
traffic.
N
N
It
is
a
church
with
a
congregation
of
probably
40
people.
They
they
hold
bible
studies
and
services,
two
to
three
times
a
week
and
on
wednesday
afternoons
they
distribute
food
out
front
of
the
building.
You
know
kind
of
like
a
pantry
type
thing.
I
spoke
to
the
pastor
mark
reitz
because
of
the
fact
that
he
doesn't
have
a
mailbox.
N
He
said
you
know,
I'm
I
didn't
receive
a
postcard.
I
didn't
know
this
was
happening.
I
am
absolutely
opposed.
We
do
not
want
that
type
of
operation
or
anything
with
the
potential
for
disrupting
our
church
occupy
occupying
the
ground
immediately
to
the
south
of
us-
and
I
you
know
I
asked
him,
can
I
quote
you
on
that?
Can
I
can
I
say
that
you're
a
church-
and
he
said
yes
absolutely,
but
he
didn't
seem
very
technologically
adept
or
or
whatever.
So,
if
somebody
could
get
a
postcard
to
him,
then
you
would
have
one
more.
N
I
guess
one
more
opinion
on
the
matter
and
that
would
complete
the
row
of
of
north
facing
neighbors.
So
I
think
that's
that's
pretty
much.
All
we
have
to
say
the
rest
is
is
pretty
well
documented,
with
the
the
social
or
with
the
environmental
justice
implications
and
and
current
zoning
and
and
the
you
know
the
fact
that
other
schools
don't
have
things
like
this
on
their
borders.
N
A
U
V
4300
north
east
14th
street
in
des
moines,
so
those
underground
tanks
they
did
put
them
in
we
have
since
removed
them.
There
will
be
no
human
waste
stored
on
site.
We
did
talk
with
the
tenants.
We
were
kind
of
unaware
at
this
when
they
did
it
and
since
we've
encountered
all
this,
we
have
pulled
them.
They
will
not
be
doing
that
anymore.
They
will
only
store
clean,
portable
restrooms
on
site
going
forward,
and
I
I
hope
that
kind
of
answers
the
claim
there
will
be
no
ways
to
on-site.
Q
D
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
it
feels
similar,
because
it's
there's
an
enforcement
history
here
right
right,
but
from
a
zoning,
just
a
zoning
regulation
standpoint
the
the
use
that
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
has
determine
this.
You
know
where
this
falls
in
the
categories
is
something
that
needs
to
be
under
the
i2
zoning
and
then
yeah,
actually,
anything
that's
and
within
i2
it'd
still
be
a
conditional
use.
D
They
just
allowed
to
go
to
the
board
where
those
particular
conditions
would
be
looked
at
I
mean
it
is
a
little
interesting
or
I
I
do
think,
there's
the
question
of
you
know
if
they're,
just
storing,
if
they're,
truly
just
storing
clean
units
there
you
know.
Is
that
the
same?
You
know
if
the
commission
wanted
us
to
look
into
that.
I'd
suggest
you
continue
it.
I
don't
say
just,
but
just
purely
from
the
question
of
does
i2
zoning
make
sense
here,
regardless
of
the
enforcement
history
or
the
use.
D
D
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
no
it's
a
fine
area
for
light
industrial
warehousing
type
uses,
but
the
kind
of
more
heavy
industrial
use.
I
don't
think,
belongs
here,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
think
you
know.
Regardless
of
what
the
applicant
has
said,
you
know
they're
changing
their
model.
That
just
purely
the
question
of
i2
does
not
make
sense
here.
D
No,
I
what
I'm.
I
don't
know
that
for
a
fact,
what
I'm
getting
at
is,
if
the
commission,
if
the
commission
was
inclined
to
want
to
see
if
there
was
a
way
to
resolve
it
without
either
with
conditions
or
or
having
the
you
know,
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
fully
vet
or
explore
the
what
happens.
If
it's
you
know
how
they
operate,
then
you
know
I
would
suggest
you.
Can
you
continue
the
item
and
we
explore
that
a
little
further.
D
G
Madam
chair,
this
is,
will
page
here.
You
know.
North
high
school
is
right
across
the
street.
From
this
I
can
hardly
imagine
kids
going
to
north
high
school
and
being
taunted
and
maybe
even
bullied
by
people
like
kids
from
other
schools.
You
know
you
go
to
north
high
school,
you
know
what
you're
worth
I
mean.
Really.
Q
I
wouldn't
want
to
preclude
that.
I
would
agree
with
your
emotion
that
I'm
not
in
support
of
rezone,
but
I
wonder
if
we
should,
if
you
would
entertain
giving
them
the
option
or
the
opportunity
for
staff
like
jace,
and
I
were
just
talking
about
to
research
what
they
can
do
within
their
current
zoning
rights.
G
A
B
D
Cameron's
commission
jason
vanessa
planning
staff:
this
is
you
know.
We
really
just
have
one
issue
to
focus
on
with
this
project
the
question
of
undergrounding
of
utilities,
but
to
get
very
familiar
with
it.
It's
just
south
of
west
martin
luther
king
junior
parkway,
along
southwest
8th
street,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
the
viaduct
starting
along
the
building
here
in
this
area.
D
Copy
the
staff
report-
I
was
in
your
packet
with
the
criteria
for
granted
relief.
You
know
the
overhead
utility
line.
Question
is
one
that
the
commission
sees
on.
You
know
somewhat
regular
basis,
it's
not
the
the
so
the
types
of
things
that
we
talk
about.
You
know
when
considering
waiving
the
requirement,
it
should
be
fresh
in
your
mind,
but
just
you
know
typically
we're
looking
at.
You
know
what
a
percentage
of
the
budget.
How
does
it
relate
to
the
overall
scope
of
the
project
as
far
as
magnitude
and
impact?
D
D
D
When
we
followed
up
with
mid,
am
the
individual
that
we
spoke
to
didn't
thought
that
there's
actually
an
opportunity
to
do
it,
but
we
were
hoping
that
that
person
could
circle
back
with
the
one
that
provided
the
initial
comment.
We
have
not
received
an
additional
follow-up
from
them.
We
did
reach
out
to
them
today
we're
hoping
to
get
more
information
from
them.
We
haven't
received
that
yet
I
tend
to
believe
that
there's
an
ability
to
do
it
there.
It
might
take
a
little
more
attention
to
detail.
D
I
might
take
a
little
more
removal
of
concrete
than
what
might
you
know
typically
be
expected.
I
also
wonder
if
the
initial
person
that
looked
at
this
was
only
really
looking
at
the
area,
that's
kind
of,
if
you
take
that.
What's
back,
you
know
curb
here.
This
obviously
there's
no
curb
along
here
where
this
parking
is.
But
if
you
look
at
this
area,
that
is
fairly
narrow,
but
there
could
also
be
an
opportunity
to
do
the
power
lines
in
the
paved
area.
D
D
D
R
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
like
I
said,
I'm
the
developer.
I
have
also
john
clark,
the
architect
on
the
line
and
bob
gibson,
the
civil
engineer
again
we're
requesting
the
type
2
to
design
alternative,
eliminating
the
requirement
to
bury
these
power
lines,
the
reasons
which
were
kind
of
highlighted
there.
R
R
They
can't
give
me
a
definitive
cost
and
in
fact
stated
that
quote:
unquote
it's
packed
with
existing
abilities
and
doubtful,
there's
even
room.
So
it's
actually
new
to
me
that
someone
else
has
said
something
different.
Secondly,
cost
estimate
is
six
percent;
it
could
raise,
it
could
go
up
from
there.
It's
almost
like
an
open
checkbook,
which
you
know
for
my
planning
purpose
with
lenders.
R
Q
I
guess
this
is
greg
guantegan.
I
I
guess
the
question
or
comment
I
have
is
I'm
sort
of
hearing
two
things
here.
You
know
jason,
you
have
in
your
report,
a
dollar
amount
and
a
percentage,
and
then
I'm
hearing
the
applicants
say
that's
new
news
to
them
and
they
believe
it's
borderline
not
possible
or
something-
and
I
think
I
heard
jason
say
if
we
could
get
in
writing
out
of
mid-
am
whatever
it
is,
whether
it's
115,
000
or
not
possible
or
1.2
million
I'd
rather
have
a
few
facts
and
that
are
aligned.
D
If,
if
I
could
provide
just
the
point
of
clarification,
I
I
think
the
dollar
figure
in
the
email
that
was
referenced.
You
know
we
took
the
high
end
of
that
dollar
figure
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
reason
we
asked
the
staff
is
because
the
comment
that
it
was
not
highly
unlikely
that
when
you're
in
this
business,
for
as
long
as
I've
been
doing
this,
you
ask
questions
and
you
don't
just
you
know
that
that
always
seems.
I
want
to
know
why
what
it
what's
highlight,
you
know:
what's
what
is
it?
D
What
where
are
the
obstacles
and
then,
when
we
reached
out
to
midam
the
individual
that
we
were
able
to
make
contact
with,
wasn't
sure
that
that
was
accurate?
So
that's
why
we
continued
to
follow
it?
We
were.
We
really
started
that
that
conversation
looking
to
try
to
bolster
you
know
the
information
or
or
disprove
it.
D
But
that's
you
know
what
our
job
is,
and
unfortunately
we
didn't
have
that
completely.
That
loop
completely
closed.
That's
why
I'm
willing
to
you
know
if
we
can
provide
more,
we
get
more
information,
it's
definitive
of
what's
really
there
and
what
the
obstacles
really
are.
You
know
I'm
willing
to
consider
that
stuff.
A
F
D
Yeah
glenn,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
that.
I
mean,
I
think
that
you
I
mean
you
certainly
have
the
ability
to
do
you
know,
add
all
sorts
of
conditions
or
stipulations
I'd.
You
know
that
might
make
it
a
little.
You
know.
I
suppose
the
applicant
would
probably
maybe
put
a
little
more
emphasis
on
maybe
get
some
of
those
numbers
short
up
early
on
in
the
process,
because
I,
I
suspect,
they're
gonna,
that
uncertainty.
D
F
A
A
A
That
was
mine.
That's
that's
why
I
was
asking
and
I
I
don't
think,
unfortunately,
that
we
can
have
it
both
ways,
so
it's
either
going
to
be
denied
or-
and
perhaps
they
can
come
in
with
additional
information
and
appeal
the
denial
and
show
the
additional
information
to
council,
for
example,
and
maybe
staff
would
have
a
different
take
on
it
at
that
level
or
you
approve
it
and
requires
a
condition
that
they
come
in
and
show
the
cost,
but
there's
really
nothing
to
do
once
it's
approved,
I
mean
once
it's.
Q
D
R
Well,
I
need
to
know
the
ramifications
of
continuing
it
because
I'm
looking
for
a
permit,
I
got
to
get
started.
I
can't
even
get
the
mid-american
out
there
to
start
doing
work
without
the
permit
to
start
the
work
I
need
site
plan
approved.
So
if
that's
going
to
delay
everything,
I
don't
know
what
mid-america
is
going
to
do
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
I
mean
I'd
rather
get
get
started
and
then
have
them
come
back,
say,
look
we
started
boring
and
we
hit
a
a
fire,
a
fire
line.
R
D
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
do
a
couple
of
different
things.
Chris
we
could,
I
mean
they
could
just
deny
the
requests
and
you
can
move
forward
with
your
site
plan
and
if
you
find,
if
you
have
run
into
an
obstacle,
you
could
come
back
with
an
amendment
we'd
process.
It
then
I
think
the
thought
was
is
if
we
continued
at
two
weeks,
maybe
we'd
have
more
definitive
information
from
mid-am
as
to
what
the
obstacles
are,
because
the
challenge
we've
had
as
staff
is,
we
just
don't
really
understand
what
do
they
mean
and
and
what?
D
What
areas?
Where
they
look?
You
know
we
just
need
more
detail
to
feel
comfortable
because-
and
I
know
that
you
know
you're
working
hard
on
your
project,
but
we
apply
this
standard
to
a
lot
of
folks,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
equitable
in
how
we
apply
it.
So
we
need
to
really
make
sure
that
if
we're
going
to
go
down
the
path
of
saying
yeah,
there's
obstacles.
D
R
That's
that's
the
way
to
go
because
having
worked
with
mid-american
thus
far,
I
don't
believe
they're
gonna
do
anything
because
I've
been
trying
to
get
definitive
numbers
for
eight
nine.
Eight
months
now
and
just
get
keep
keep
getting
told.
You
know
it's
almost
like
they
don't
want
to
do
it.
It
can't
be
done
or
the
cost
is
this,
but
it
could
go.
R
Q
H
H
D
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
members
of
commissioner
jason
manas
from
the
planning
staff
I'll
be
just
to
the
point.
Can
I
show
you
the
images
this
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
the
staff
recommendation,
so
this
is
aerial
identifying
the
subject
property
on
the
kind
of
south
side
of
indianola
road
south
of
the
raccoon
river
south,
the
downtown
area,
good
views
of
the
downtown.
D
There
was
a
whole
series
of
relief
needed
that
has
to
do
with
building
placement,
building
orientation
and
really
what's
driving.
That
is
the
unique
and
challenging
grade
of
the
site,
and
that's
why
staff
was
able
to
be
supportive
of
having
units
that
had
a
garage
door
that
faced
the
street
units
that
didn't
all
front
onto
a
public
street
or
private
drive.
D
D
The
logic
there
is
that
the
applicant
doesn't
own
all
the
land
in
the
area
and
the
lines
the
poles
they
feed
the
power
to
the
properties
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
So
it's
not
practical
for
the
applicant
to
underground
it
and,
while
impacting
other
property
owners
electrical
service,
why
we
didn't
recommend
approval
of
it
as
written
is
because
there
was
also
a
request
to
waive
it
along
indiana
road
which
we're
asking
the
applicant
to
do
that
and
he's
agreed
to
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
that
along
indiana
road.
D
Then
we
had
the
other
design
alternatives
that
we
were
being
supportive
of.
We
did
have
some
conditions
here.
We
just
wanted.
We
had
had
some
thoughts
that
maybe
there
should
be
a
little
more
landscaping
as
far
as
some
shrubbery
along
the
fence,
along
in
mill.
Road
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
adequate
sidewalk
connectivity
within
the
development
and
then
some
additional
transparency
on
the
end
units
that
are
facing
monona
and
then
just
standard
administrative
comments.
Compliance
with
that
this
is
the
notice
area.
We
did
not
receive
anything
any
written
comment.
A
X
I
think
you
did
a
pretty
good
overview
of
kind
of
the
constraints
we're
working
around,
like
you
said,
there's
a
pretty
steep
hill
that
we're
building
into
kind
of
limits,
some
of
the
connections
and
those
type
two
design
alternatives,
kind
of
build
off
of
each
other.
We've
given
kind
of
exhibits
to
show
that
we've
done
everything
we
can
to
comply.
D
W
W
W
F
D
So
yeah
johnny
you
would
you
mentioned
some
need
for
maybe
some
additional
buffering
plantings
along
the
alley.
You
know
there
does
look
to
be
some
space
for
maybe
something
that's
narrow
and
growth
pattern.
Were
you
thinking
and
I'm
sorry
I
was.
Unfortunately,
you
know.
Being
technology
challenged
there
trying
to
get
to
the
sheet,
were
you
speaking
more
concerned
for
future
residents
or
for
the
owner
on
the
the
property
on
the
other
side
of
the
alley.
F
I
think
for
both
residents
and
for
the
business
owners
just
avoiding
that
long-term
problem.
I
I
know
that
the
council
has
had
those
conversations
in
downtown,
which
is
fairly
close,
so
potentially
adding
some
evergreens
here
on
the
on
that
side
would
help
us
avoid
that
problem
in
the
in
the
long
run.
X
This
is
dan
again,
so
I'll
address
the
water
question.
First,
there
will
be
detention
provided
on
site
per
typically.
What
is
required
by
the
city
of
des
moines,
we'll
have
intakes
at
the
edges
of
all
the
drives
and
then
one
in
the
center
of
the
northern
drive,
which
is
actually
lower
than
monona,
so
the
water
will
be
flowing
in
and
then
on
the
northern
ones.
We
will
catch
that
water
before
it
gets
to
the
roadways.
So
if
anything,
it
should
help.
X
We
are
increasing
the
impervious
obviously,
but
we
are
providing
detention
that
wasn't
there
before
before
all
that
water
would
have
flown
down
to
indianola.
So
hopefully
it
improves
the
situation
as
far
as
landscaping,
we're
open
to
adding
extra
evergreens
or
any
kind
of
sound
barrier
along
that
alleyway.
A
H
U
A
D
Thank
you
chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa
with
planning
staff,
so
this
is
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
case.
I
don't
recall
the
commission
being
asked
for
something
along
these
lines
where
it's
an
accessory
building
going
in
on
a
parcel
where
there
isn't
a
primary
building.
The
code
set
up
to
say
you
know
accessory
uses
accessory
buildings
really
should
be
following
the
more
of
a
primary
use.
D
So
anyway,
in
a
staff
we've
kind
of
kicked
around
this
one
too.
It's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
struggle
as
we've
gone
back
and
forth,
and
I'll
share
share
some
information
with
you
and
you'll
probably
see
why
east
university
avenue
to
the
south
sampson
to
the
west.
Here
you
can
see
the
parking
lots,
a
freestanding
parking
lot.
The
applicant
has
operated
a
food
truck
there
for
some
time
now
through
and
has
the
you
know
gone
through
the
mobile
vendor
process
and
operated
under
that
just
some
photographs
of
the
site.
D
You
can
see
in
that
picture
the
shed's
fairly
small,
so
the
impact
of
it
is
pretty
limited,
just
a
few
more
the
site
sketch
when
they
submitted
this.
They
it
does
show
the
the
shed.
They
also
added
like
to
do
a
gazebo,
we're
not
100
sure
what
the
design
of
that
is.
We
have
a
footprint
which
we
put
on
the
agenda
planning
staff
did
reach
out
to
the
applicant
late
in
the
afternoon.
Our
understanding
is,
the
concept
is
generally
more
of
a
trellis
type
structure.
D
D
In
the
staff
port,
you
know
we
kicked
around
what
to
do
here.
You
know
the
shed's
fairly
small.
On
one
hand,
that
seems
you
know
fairly,
you
know
the
impact,
that's
pretty
minimal,
wasn't
100
sure
what
the
gazebo
intention
was.
I
think
with
it
being,
if
we
can
confirm
that
it's
more
of
a
trellis
that's
or
it's
a
little
less
impactful
than
an
actual
gazebo,
but
really
as
we
took
a
step
back,
we
started
to
ask
ourselves:
you
know,
is
you
know
the
the
concept
of
the
food
truck?
D
Is
it's
really
a
transitional
or
temporary
use,
and
the
challenge
we
had
is
you
know
where?
Where
does
the
area
is
things
moving
to
more
of
a
permanent
nature,
and
is
that
really
the
intended
to
the
code,
particularly
you
know
in
the
case
of
not
having
accessory
structures
on
their
own?
You
know
it's
really.
You
know
that
concept
of
building
and
building
more
permanence
on
a
property
is
that
there's
a
kind
of
a
primary
use.
D
That's
there
on
a
permanent
nature
and
with
that
we
did
end
up
landing
on
recommending
denial,
the
request,
but
we
you
know
we're
really
looking
for
your
guys's
input
and
feedback.
This
is,
you
know,
kind
of
a
new
case,
a
new
situation
for
us,
and
so
we
welcome
your
guys's
thoughts
on
it
as
well,
but
those
are
kind
of
the
different
things
that
we've
thought
through,
as
we
were
formulating
the
recommendation.
G
D
G
D
It
did
get
into
the
planning
process
through
an
enforcement
action.
I
don't
know
the
history
of
that.
You
know.
I
think
that
you
know
obviously
the
sheds
already
there
so
that
I
know
that
there
was
question
about
the
you
know
just
how
this
all
fit
in
the
site
plan
review
process
that
was
presented
to
planning
staff,
but
I
think
that
all
occurred
after
enforcement.
I
I
couldn't
tell
you
if
there
was
a
complaint
or
if
it
was
just
how
it
was
picked
up.
I
just
don't
know
that
history
well.
D
Y
Y
Y
So,
instead
of
waiting
for
someone
to
get
hurt,
we
would
like
to
place
a
sitting
area
where
you've
already
seen
where,
where
the
tables
would
be,
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
put
this
pergola,
which
we've
looked
it
up
both
at
sam's
club
and
menards.
It's
already
a
built
thing
that
we
were
just
placed
there
and
it
would
be
more
for
beautification
purposes.
I
mean
instead
of
having
a
canopy
or
a
tent,
that
the
wind
breaks
and
then
it
blows
and
hitting
a
vehicle.
We
would
have
something
there.
Y
F
I
guess
I
I
would
have
a
question
for
staff
based
on
their
comments,
that
their
concern
is
that
an
accessory
building,
structure,
type
of
structure
will
become
a
permanent
structure
without
a
principal
structure.
So
how
would
the
knowing
that
it's
going
to
be
a
pergola
instead
of
whatever
they
thought
it
was
going
to
be
before?
F
D
I
I
do
think
that
the
information
the
applicant
has
shared
with
us
is
helpful
and
understanding
a
couple
things
that
were
mentioned.
You
know,
I
think
the
pergola
design
is
definitely
you
know
way
more.
You
know
way
less
impactful
than
a
kind
of
traditional
large
gazebo,
so
I
I
think,
that's
beneficial.
D
The
other
thing
that
kind
of
caught
my
ear
is
that
the
the
shed
really
is
not
intended
to
stay
there
on
a
permanent
basis
that
it's
really
and
maybe
we
could
have
the
applicant
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
You
know,
as
I
think
about.
Maybe
if
the
commission
is
wanting
to
issue
the
type
2
design
alternative.
You
know,
maybe
there's
some
language
in
there
that
kind
of
focuses
it
in
on
the
that
particular
shed
and
the
one
you
know
the
pergola
and
if
they
happen
to
be
removed,
you
know
they.
D
You
know
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
free
pass
to
do
a
larger,
more
permanent
shed
with
a
foundation
or
something
along
those
lines.
You
know
we
might
just
make
sure
that
we
craft
that
in
there,
because
I-
the
way
it's
being
described
at
the
meeting
here
and
the
additional
information
does
make
it
seem
pretty
temporary
in
nature.
H
D
Q
Yeah
jason:
this
is
greg.
I
remember
a
few
years
ago
when
building
department
started,
requiring
footings
underneath
outside
coolers
that
restaurants
or
bars
had
prior
to
that
they
just
sat
on
the
ground
and
but
they
were
requiring
it
because
they
were
concerned
about
tripability.
You
know,
freeze
and
thaw
steps
that
were
once
seven
inches
or
now
ten
inches,
and
so
they
did
have
a
lot
of
those
types
of
concerns.
D
I
do
know
that
you
know
assessor
building
of
120
square
feet
or
more
would
trigger
a
building,
permit
the
gazebo
or
not
gazebo,
but
pergola
would
be
large
in
that,
but
it
doesn't
have
walls.
I'm
not
100
sure
how
that
works.
So
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
learn
more
about
that.
But
even
if
the
commission
approved
it,
they'd
still
have
to
comply
with
building
code,
one
way
or
the.
C
D
F
F
So
I
I
will
probably
support
approving
the
type
2
design
alternative
subject
to
the
staff
review
and
they
can
figure
out
what's
going
on
with
the
with
the
shed,
if
that's
not
going
to
be
there
permanently,
and
if,
if
it
is,
then
I'll
probably
need
a
slab
of
concrete
to
solve
that.
I
don't
think
it's
very
intrusive,
as
shown
in
the
pictures.
G
B
A
E
E
E
At
that
time
there
was
already
a
sidewalk
along
the
east
property
line
along
east
50th
street,
but
the
site
plan
required
the
provision
of
a
sidewalk
along
the
north
property
line,
not
if
on
your
screen
north
is
to
the
right
along
that
frontage
road
along
east
broadway
avenue.
So
what
you're
looking
at
now
is
the
site
plan
that
was
approved
back
in
2019,
so
at
they've
since
constructed
the
building
and
done
all
of
the
site
improvements.
E
However,
they
have
not
yet
constructed
the
sidewalk
along
east
broadway,
so
this
is
take
photos
taken
from
the
intersection
of
east
50th
and
east
broadway.
Looking
due
west,
you
can
see
right
where
the
sidewalk
should
go,
and
in
this
photo
you
can
also
see
the
existing
sidewalk.
That's
along
east
50th
street.
E
This
is
moving
a
little
further
south
down
east
50th
street,
and
then
this
is
looking
back
east
towards
east
50th
street
across
the
site,
so
that
sidewalk,
that's
missing,
should
generally
go
in
this
location
right
here,
as
mike
ludwig
mentioned
earlier
tonight.
The
pending
code,
amendments
that
you
recommended
approval
of
tonight
and
that
council
will
be
considering
later
this
month
would
not
actually
help
this
situation,
because
the
sidewalk
in
this
location
is
considered
a
priority
one
sidewalk,
so
it
is
a
higher
priority
than
most
sidewalks.
E
As
far
as
the
staff
recommendation
goes,
we
have
recommended
denial
of
the
request.
We
do
feel
that
it's
reasonable
to
put
in
the
sidewalk
at
this
time.
What
I
have
on
the
screen
right
now
is
the
owner's
rationale
for
why
they
don't
want
to
put
in
the
sidewalk,
and
we
can
come
back
to
this
later
when
the
applicant
is
presenting-
and
I
also
have
this
aerial
photo
right
here.
That
shows
where
the
other
sidewalks
are
in
the
area.
E
His
point
of
reference
is:
there's
the
existing
sidewalk
here
along
he's
50th,
and
then
there
are
a
few
segments
along
hubble
avenue,
but
as
a
whole,
that
sidewalk
would
go
in
this
location
here
and
it
would
not
connect
to
any
sidewalks
to
the
west.
Yet
so,
like
I
mentioned,
staff
believes
that
the
sidewalk
should
be
put
in
there,
so
we
have
recommended
denial
of
the
type
design
alternative.
So
any
questions
for
me.
E
I
I
know
I
believe
this
is
hubble
avenue
to
the
west.
Obviously
is,
but
I
think
then,
that
bus
route
turns
east
down
broadway
avenue
jason.
If
you
want
to
pull
that
up
on
des
moines
maps,
you
can
confirm,
but
I
believe
that
there
is
a
bus
route
that
would
go
further
east
into
the
altoona
walmart
and
to
into
altoona.