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From YouTube: 10-7-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Oct. 7, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Sorry
welcome.
I
did
that
last
time
to
the
october
7th
meeting
of
the
city
plan
and
zoning
commission
I'll
read
through
our
commission
rules
and
procedures,
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats.
A
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
Applicants
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request.
Proponents
and
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
A
A
A
Unless
an
individual
president
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
that
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
can
it
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
the
city
of
des
moines
whoops,
don't
need
to
read
that
part?
I
guess
so
we
have
a
quorum
and
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting.
A
Seven
items
on
the
consent
agenda
I'll
read
through
each
one,
and
if
it's
something
that
you
wish
to
have
pulled
off
and
heard
and
discussed
and
voted
on
tonight,
then
you
will
ask
for
that
to
be
removed
from
consent
item.
One
is
a
request
from
david
griffith
for
property
located
at
1626
buchanan
street,
to
determine
if
the
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
planned
dsm
to
amend
the
plan
dsm
to
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
from
business
park,
use
to
low
density,
residential
and
c
to
rezone
property
from
ex
mixed
use.
A
A
Okay,
this
item
remains
on
consent.
Number
two
is
a
request
from
jm
wolf
properties
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
hartford
avenue,
storage
for
property
at
1929,
southeast
14th
court
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
waiver
of
the
requirement
for
placement
of
all
electrical
telephone
and
cable
transmission
systems
underground.
A
And
commissioners,
okay
item
two
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number:
three
is
a
request
from
drake
university
for
vacation
of
an
east-west
alley,
right-of-way
within
the
block
bounded
by
university
avenue
on
the
north
29th
street
on
the
east
and
brattleboro
avenue
on
the
south
to
allow
the
right-of-way
to
be
assembled
with
the
parcels
adjacent
to
the
north
and
south.
A
A
is
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
zoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
dsm
b,
to
amend
the
plan
dsm
to
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
from
park,
open
space
to
part
semi-public
from
public
semi-public
c.
We
zone
the
property
from
p1,
public,
civic
and
institutional
district
to
p2,
public,
civic
and
institutional
district
to
allow
site
modifications.
C
A
Four
remains
item
number
five
request
from
gustavo
carrillo
carrillo
for
property
that
is
located
in
the
vicinity
of
one
zero.
Four
zero
east
county
line;
road,
a
determination
as
to
whether
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
planned
dsm,
which
designates
the
property
as
medium
density,
residential
and
b
rezone;
the
property
from
n
m
neighborhood
district
to
nx2
neighborhood
mix
district
to
allow
construction
of
a
one
household
dwelling.
A
Commission
that
will
remain
item
number.
Seven
is
a
request
from
climate
controlled
self-storage
for
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
des
moines,
climate-controlled
self-storage
for
property
located
at
503
southeast
12th
street
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
a
to
allow
waiver
of
the
requirement
for
replacement
of
all
electrical
telephone
and
cable
transmission
systems
underground
along
scott
avenue
b,
to
allow
an
increase
in
primary,
build
to
zone
from
the
required
zero
to
five
feet
to
thirty
feet
on
the
northern
building.
A
A
A
Okay,
now
we'll
go
to
the
public
hearing
and
start
with
item
number
eight,
which
is
request
from
best
food
mart
inc
for
approval,
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
a
mark
convenience
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
and
denied
type
1
design.
Alternatives
on
property
located
at
4028
east
14th
street,
to
allow
expansion
of
a
commercial
cottage
building
type
for
retail
sales,
limited
use
and
fueling
station
to
allow
a
primary
frontage
built
to
zone
of
approximately
72
feet,
which
is
approximately
52
feet
beyond
the
maximum
built-in
zone.
A
E
F
G
D
So
they
the
property
zone
mx3-b,
and
it
is
an
existing
fuel
station.
Today
they
are
proposing
an
expansion
of
that
fuel
station
there.
As
you
can
see
in
the
site
plan
the
there
is
an
existing
fuel
canopy,
it
might
might
be
a
little
difficult
to
see,
but
we
will
see
it
in
some
photos
in
a
moment.
Existing
fuel
canopy
in
the
front
that
was
mentioned
and
that
is
being
requested
to
be
maintained
in
the
front
as
well
as
some
parking
that
would
be
out
in
front.
D
G
D
D
And
part
of
the
part
of
the
application,
the
staff,
the
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
existing
canopy
out
in
front,
as
well
as
the
setback
with
within
the
zoning
district.
It
requires
that
there
there
be
a
maximum
setback
of
20
feet,
however,
thus
being
an
existing
facility,
and
there
are
proposing
modifications.
D
Staff
has
determined
that
it
would
be
acceptable
to
leave
that
as
it
remains
for
the
existing
improvements
that
they
are
proposing
with
entire
site
compliance
being
triggered.
They
are
proposing
quite
a
bit
of
landscaping
to
meet
code.
They
the
requirement
for
entire
site
compliance,
would
also
require
that
they
underground
the
utilities
as
part
of
the
improvements
associated,
and
this
is
one
of
the
utilities
that
is
in
front
of
the
existing
building.
D
D
D
Staff
recommends
denial
of
the
type
2
design
alternative
for
the
request
to
waive
undergrounding.
The
existing
overhead
utility
line
since
the
total
cost
of
reflo.
Locating
the
utilities
underground
and
replacing
the
existing
wood
pools
would
be
approximately
seven
percent
of
the
total
cost
of
the
project.
F
If
I
could
piggyback
on
frank's
presentation,
you
know
so
essentially
what
the?
What
kept
us
off
of
the
consent
agenda
was
the
utility
question
and
you
know,
we've
kind
of
used
the
rule
of
thumb
of
about
10.
You
know
10
percent.
If
it's
under
that
we've
been,
you
know,
pushing
for
utilities
on
the
ground,
you
know
certainly
also
character
of
an
area
is
important.
I
D
F
J
D
So
it's
easier
to
to
see
what
what's
important
to
remember
about
this
corridor.
Is
it's
d.o.t
controlled?
So,
as
you
consider
looking
at
landscaping,
some
of
the
landscaping
that
we
might
see
you
know
out
in
the
streetscape
is
not
achievable
due
to
the
nature
of
the
corridor
and
the
the
clearances
needed
by
d.o.t
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
provide
they,
because
this
is
an
existing
facility
and
they're
leaving
the
existing
canopy
and
fuel
islands
where
they
are.
D
D
D
G
D
D
K
D
L
I'm
hoping
that
this
works,
I
just
wanted
to
to
say
briefly
glenna
frank,
legal
department.
I
this
comes
up.
This
question
comes
up
routinely,
so
I
thought
I
would
just
quote
from
the
code
for
you
all.
So
it's
section,
135,
9.2,
0.1,
subsection
d
and
or
e
excuse
me
and
the
code
requirement
is
all
electrical.
Telephone
and
cable
telephone
transmission
systems
shall
be
placed
underground
whenever
reasonably
practicable.
L
M
M
I
am
here
representing
the
owner
and
just
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
certainly
commend
staff
they've
been
tremendous
to
work
with
on
this
project.
It's
a
sensitive
area,
there's
new
design
standards
being
being
invoked
in
this
area
and
they've
been
very
good
to
work
with
very
responsive
and
have
helped
us
navigate
this
process,
and
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
on
behalf
of
the
advocate
here
is
to,
in
fact
request
respectfully
request
that
the
commission
allow
us
to
weigh
that
requirement
to
bury
the
utilities
more
along
the
lines
of
the
significant
cost.
M
I
understand
this
10
test
that
they
apply.
However,
seven
percent
or
a
little
under
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
is,
is
significant
to
this
owner.
It's
not
a
huge
project.
They've
they've
decided
to
commit
significant
resources
of
their
own
resources
to
improve
their
facility.
Here
they've
been
in
business
for
many
years
serving
this
community,
they
are
of
small
business.
M
M
A
N
N
It's
really
important
that
it's
a
little
less
hazardous
than
the
situation.
It
is
now
and
then
it
was
mentioned
that
a
fence
is
going
to
go
somehow
between
that
skinny
space
between
the
little
skinny
parkway,
the
sidewalk
that's
falling
apart
and
then,
where
the
gas
tanks
are
or
pumps,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
all
that's
going
to
fit
there,
as
well
as
support
people
using
the
sidewalk.
So
that's
my
observation
on
that,
so
it
it
just
seems
like
there.
I
don't
know
where
the
350
000
is
going.
N
A
M
A
I
Okay,
so
I'll
answer
the
rest
of
that,
I
think
I
have.
I
have
a
challenge
with
I.
I
love
the
fact
that
we
now,
theoretically
have
a
number
that
says
all
right.
Ten
percent
below
awesome,
you
guys
cause.
I
standard
the
same
time,
we're
talking
about
one
and
a
half
ftes
of
actual
employees
that
would
be
working
here.
So,
I
think
to
say:
that's
not
significant.
Currently
is
I'm
not
entirely
sure
that
is
fair?
At
the
same
time,
though,
I
am
a
big
fan
of
undergrounding.
I
am
a
personally
big
fan
of
underground.
I
This
is
a
poll
that's
right
on
this
road.
I
agree
with
the
with
the
comment.
With
respect
to
biking.
I
mean
this
is
a
tight
area
and
you're
putting
a
pole
in
there.
I
think
that's
a
challenge.
This
is
a
busy
road
right.
You
have
a
good
chance
of
smacking
that
thing
at
the
same
time,
I
guess
I
it
seems
like
it
should
open
the
door
to
something
that
was
raised
a
few
weeks
ago
is,
it
seems,
like
the
cost
of
doing
this
should
be
less
if
we
do
it
with
more
people.
I
I
wonder
if
we
are
able
to
actually
agree
that
yes,
we'll
put
a
part
aside
of
this,
an
escrow
or
something
like
that.
If
we
could
get
both
these
the
things
done,
which
is
not
spending
1.5
ftes
of
persons
that
could
be
working
and
earning
a
living
in
this
project
getting
cut
and
still
get
down
the
road
when
the
whole
block
goes
actually
getting
the
whole
block
underground,
which
I
think
does
improve
safety,
doesn't
prove
a
lot
of
different
positive
things.
I
I
I
don't
know
how
I
guess
I
I
don't
want
to
say
we
prevent
undergrounding
now,
I'm
curious.
Do
we
have
an
alternative
solution
for
being
able
to
say
we'll
put
something
in
escrow
now
we'll
figure
out
some
ways
we
get
enough
people
together
in
a
block
that
we
can
get
this
underground
done
without
being
an
unreasonable
cost.
I
F
L
The
trick
or
or
concern
would
be
until
when,
and
so
what
is
a
reasonable
time
for
the
escrow.
In
this
case,
I
don't
know
that
the
development
services
staff
has
had
that
discussion
with
our
traffic
and
transportation
department,
for
example.
When
do
we
think
that
a
block
wide
or
streetwide
undergrounding
would
occur,
and
east
14th,
I
think,
is
controlled
by
the
iowa
dot?
L
So
I
don't
know
that
the
city
even
has
control
over
over
that.
So,
if
that's
something
that
you
would
be
looking
into,
yes,
we
could
do
that
for
a
deferral
requirement,
but
I
would
caution
against
approving
it
without
a
continuance
to
at
least
have
that
conversation
with
traffic
and
transportation
division.
L
F
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
the
the
unesco
program
kind
of
concept.
You
know,
I
think,
about
how
much
time
we
spent
with
the
sidewalk
getting
to
where
we
are
today
with
the
sidewalk
program
and
the
analysis
that
we
did
to
that
we
would.
We
would
need
some
time
and
just
for
reference
there.
F
The
escrow
program
for
sidewalks
is
limited
to
priority
route,
1
sidewalks,
just
because
of
the
timing
as
glenna
noted
there's
these
escrow
agreements
have
a
clock
on
them,
so
they're
going
to
run
out,
so
you
have
to
be
in
a
position
where
you
feel
like
you're,
going
to
act
on
it
and
be
able
to
utilize
the
escrow.
Otherwise,
you
just
have
escrow
sitting
until
it
expires,
and
then
it
a
little
bit
of
a
waste.
O
I
Wait
a
second
we're
talking
about
24
grand
if
this
project
is
done
alone,
if
the
project
is
done
with
the
remainder
of
the
block,
the
hypothesis
is
that
it
will
not
cost
as
much
for
each
so
for
saying,
hey
within
10
years.
The
whole
block
could
go.
Do
it
we're
talking
about?
Well,
it
could
be
five
grand
for
each
instead
of
actually
being
25
grand
for
each.
I
This
cost
in
this
case
we're
either
not
going
to
have
the
overhead,
and
we
know
we
can't
do
anything
about
it
in
the
future,
or
we
at
least
can
if
we
actually
do
this
again
or
if
this
is
something
where
we
get
enough
people
on
the
block,
we
lease
them
all
overhead
at
a
lower
cost.
I'm
sorry!
If
I'm
not
clear
on
that
one,
I
guess
is
that
logic
tracking
room
and
am
I
missing
the
boat.
F
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
I
think
that
that
you
know
in
theory,
if,
if
we
were
setting
up
an
escrow
program
and
people
were
paying
into
it,
there
should
be
benefits
of
savings,
and
that's
all
we
should
be
asking
for.
The
hard
thing
is
just
doing
all
the
analysis
to
figure
out
what
what
that
number
should
be.
You
know
I,
the
utility
question
is
something
that's
on
the
list
of
things
to
keep
working
on
for
staff.
F
I
mean
this
is
the
list
is
always
long,
and
this
is
on
that
list,
but
I
think
that
the
idea
of
an
escrow
program
or
some
sort
of
program
makes
sense,
and
you
know,
as
I
think
we
can
look
at
that-
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
hard
for
us.
Even
if
you
continue
this,
you
know
two
weeks
to
come
back
and
say
well.
This
is
this
is
how
the
esco
program
works.
I
With
every
one
of
these
we
we
keep
getting
the
ordinance
if
we
keep
waiving
it
right.
If
the
ordinance
is
we
need
underground.
We
just
keep
saying
not
that's
too
much.
That's
too
much
nice
too
much.
We
don't
have
a
plan
to
reduce
that
cost
and
the
city
isn't
going
to
jump
in
and
do
it.
It
seems
like
we're.
We
keep
gutting
the
effect
of
that
rule.
Don't
we
because
we're
removing
enforcement.
I
K
So
if
we're
trying
to
focus
on
the
macro,
instead
of
the
the
site
plan
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
we
have
to
let
staff
go
back
as
jason
mentioned,
and
think
about
a
potential
solution
for
us
to
apply
moving
forward.
But
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
now
is
this
specific
site.
So
this
specific
requirement
that
applies
to
this
site,
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from.
K
I
I
I
fully
agree,
which
is
why
I
think,
I'm
in
support
of
I
think
where
carolyn
is
going,
which
is
that
I
think
we
should
deny
staff
recommendation
in
this
situation
of
of
the
undergroundings.
So
we
don't
approve
that
one,
but
I
don't
want
to
keep.
That
would
mean
we're
kicking
the
can
and
we
asked
eight
weeks
ago,
so
I
asked
eight
weeks
ago:
how
do
we
start
a
process
of
analyzing
that
it
sounds
like
we
haven't
started,
so
I'm
just
curious.
F
F
I
mean
that's
what
we
have
capacity
to
do.
If
you
know
the
you
know,
the
commission
can
ask
that
we
make
it
a
priority
to
look
at
this.
To
me.
This
is
one
one
of
the
top
priorities
that
I'm
trying
to
resolve.
I
have
some
others,
I'm
technically
looking
at
maybe
a
council
workshop
presentation
in
december,
so
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
until
you
know
the
first
year
or
so,
but
just
give
me
a
little.
F
We
recognize
this
challenge
here
and
that's
why
I
started
tonight
following
up
the
presentation
by
saying
kind
of
point
out
the
two
things
that
we
saw
here:
staff
that
we
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
for
dialogue
and
that's
you
know
the
value,
but
also
the
character
of
the
area,
because
we
know
it's
a
tricky
situation
and
that's
why
I
always
frame
this
up
as
I'm
trying.
We
want
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
commission
of
the
applicant.
It's
not
a
we're,
not
in
court.
You
know
it's
not
an
adversarial.
F
C
C
C
J
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
kyle
larson
city
planning
staff,
I'm
going
to
start
the
presentation
by
giving
you
some
site
contacts
on
the
subject
property,
it's
located
at
the
southwest
corner
of
easton
boulevard
and
east
38th
street.
It's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
four
four
mile
community
center
here.
J
The
requested
rezoning
to
mx3
mixed-use
district
would
allow
the
vacant
fuel
station
convenience
store
to
resume
use.
Has
a
fuel
station
and
convenience
store,
as
well
as
to
be
eligible
to
request
a
conditional
use
from
the
board
of
adjustment,
for
variance
of
the
separation
distance
from
four
mile
community
center
and
for
sale
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine,
beer
and
or
tobacco
products
as
a
fuel
station,
no
more
than
40
percent
of
gross
receipts
from
sales
could
be
derived
from
sales
of
alcoholic
liquor.
J
This
district
accommodates
a
higher
intensity
commercial
use
at
a
smaller
scale,
plan
dsm
defines
neighborhood
mixed
use,
small-scale
mixed-use
development,
typically
located
at
the
intersections
of
collector
and
or
interior
arterial
streets
and
along
transportation
corridors.
Non-Residential
development
is
designed
to
serve
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
include
small
retail
office.
J
In
order
for
the
proposed
rezoning
to
mx3
to
be
in
performance
with
playing
dsm,
the
future
landy's
designation
must
be
revised
to
community
mixed
use.
That
designation
is
defined
as
a
small
to
medium
scale,
mixed-use
development
located
on
the
high
capacity
transit
corridor
and
or
at
the
intersection
of
transportation
corridors.
J
Community
mixed
use
areas
include
both
a
mix
of
medium
density,
residential
and
a
mix
of
retail
and
service
establishments
designed
to
attract
customers
from
a
larger
service
area
encompassing
multiple
neighborhoods
and
may
include
specialty
retail
that
attracts
reach.
Regional
customers.
Staff
does
not
believe
that
the
community
mixed
use
designation
would
be
appropriate
for
the
site.
J
J
Should
the
property
be
rezoned
to
mx3
mixie's
district.
The
fuel
station
use
would
be
eligible
to
seek
a
conditional
use
through
board
of
addressment.
That
would
allow
a
variance
of
separation
distance
for
that
four
mile,
creek
community
four
mile
community
center
and
the
sale
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine,
beer
and
or
tobacco
products
as
a
fuel
station,
no
more
than
40
of
the
grocery
streets
from
sales
could
be
derived
from
sale
of
those
alcoholic
liquor.
J
J
Future
land
use
designation
from
mixed
use,
a
neighborhood
mixed
use
to
community
mixed
use,
since
the
community
makes
use
designation
is
intended
to
be
located
on
higher
volume
corridors
and,
finally,
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
rezoning
of
the
property
to
mx3
from
max
one
mixed-use
district
is
not
in
conformance
with
the
existing
planned
use
plan.
Dsm.
Land
use,
designation
of
neighborhood
mixed
use.
J
J
J
E
P
P
A
lot
of
times,
people
talk
to
these
type
of
businesses
as
c-stores
or
gas
stations.
Well,
you
know
things
are
starting
to
adapt
into
more
energy
and
sustainability
and
trying
to
offset
your
carbon
footprint.
So
this
is
more
about
just
a
convenience
store
it's
more
of
a
destination.
So
to
start
this
is
who
we
are
a
little
bit
of
information
about
us
and
working
with
us.
P
So,
as
I
was
saying,
we
saw
energy
challenges
in
over
200
countries,
just
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
about
us.
We
have
over
65
000
customers
in
200
countries,
so
we
move
quite
a
bit
energy
products,
but
we're
basically
going
to
be
delivering
energy
to
the
site
on
behalf
of
philip
66,
which
is
also
conoco,
and
that
will
be
off
of
easton
boulevard.
P
P
So
the
image
this
company,
that's
the
logo
on
easton
boulevard,
it'd
be
kc
and
it'd,
be
a
phillips
66.
So
just
a
few
examples
of
what
our
customer
has
done
at
a
lot
of
his
other
stores
in
minnesota
and
in
iowa
and
in
the
surrounding
states,
it's
a
complete
flip
and
a
remodel.
So
inside
you
see
a
lot
of
of
new
activities.
A
lot
of
you
know
wide
open,
fresh
air
experience.
P
P
Kind
of
frame
it
up
a
little
bit
more
you
mentioned
earlier
about.
You-
know
commercial
fuel
network,
one
thing
about
world
fuels.
We
have
2850
stores
in
the
united
states
from
california
to
florida
to
new
york
and
we
have
one
big
commercial
fueling
network,
so
your
larger
fleets.
So
to
speak.
You
know,
like
your
ameren
or
you
know
any
other
large
company
with
the
city
of
des
moines,
for
example.
They
would
be
part
of
a
cfn
network
for
a
fleet
corps,
so
they
would
then
go
to
this
store.
P
P
So
it's
a
really
good
stop
for
a
vacant
property
collecting
dust.
Currently
one
thing:
that's
unique
about
world
is
we're
very
particular
about.
What's
going
on
underground
from
an
environmental
standpoint,
from
your
underground
storage
tanks
to
your
automatic
tank
gauges
to
your,
whether
or
not
the
site
needs
remediation
or
whatnot,
but
we
we're
on
top
of
that
on
this
site,
so
we
definitely
want
to
improve
upon.
What's
there.
P
So
our
commitment
to
our
customer
here
is
to
provide
a
really
strong
brand
presence,
which
is
philip
66.
This
marketing
information
is
amaco
bp,
but
it's
very
similar
for
the
community.
It
gives
them
a
chance
to
save
25,
to
30
cents
off
a
gallon,
and
in
this
rising
market
of
quantitative
easing
and
hyperinflation,
we
see
the
need
for
more
and
more
marketing
support,
so
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
for
this
specific
neighborhood
market
to
capitalize
on
this
marketing
support
with
philip
66.
P
P
P
And
then
local,
we
do
like
to
keep
it
local,
so
we
do
have
the
opportunity
from
time
to
time
to
support
the
local
community.
So
we'll
do
that
at
this
site
and
hopefully,
hopefully
we'll
get
the
we
get
the
buy-in
from
the
council
as
well
as
the
community
fox
lake
illinois,
mobile
exxon
mobil.
We
also
have
a
strong
presence
with
shell,
and
these
are
typical
just
what
a
typical
shell
looks
like
so.
P
O
P
So
the
architectural,
I
guess,
would
be
the
civil
engineer.
This
is
the
drawing
basically
what
we
have
on
paper.
We
do
have
a
canopy
out
here,
because
when,
when
people
do
fill
up,
you
know
they
they
want
to
be
under
canopy,
they
don't
want
to
be
wet,
they
want
to
be
in
a
well-lit
area
and
right
now,
there's
not
a
canopy
there.
So
we
would
like
to
have
a
canopy
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
customers
and
then
also
you
see
the
front
four
court
where
cars
would
come
in
and
park
pretty
tight
lot.
B
P
Yes,
so
basically
it
has
two
dispensers
and
we
really
don't
want
to
disrupt
the
environmental
underneath
the
ground.
So
the
idea
would
be
to
keep
the
two
dispensers,
which
is
for
actually
four
fueling
positions,
so
by
keeping
the
two
dispensers
we're
not
encroaching
upon
any
curb
cuts
or
any
easements,
specifically
the
one
in
the
middle
there.
P
Q
I
have
a
question
since
we're
not
evaluating
a
site
plan
tonight.
It's
it's
about
the
zoning
and
the
question
raised
by
the
staff
or
the
objection
raised
by
the
staff
is
that
it's
not
an
appropriate
use
for
the
area
that
it's
in
it
does
seem
to
be
in
a
in
a
largely
residential
neighborhood
and
I'm
unfamiliar
with
previous
gas
stations
that
have
been
there
and
if
they
were
not
economically
feasible.
But
can
you
answer
to
why
this
site?
Why
this
location?
And
why
not
a
more
I
don't
know
more
commercial
corridor.
P
Well,
this
site
is,
you
know,
referred
to
as
a
flip.
It's
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
c
site
that
we're
going
to
upgrade
into
a
b,
maybe
an
a
minus
site.
So
you
know
it
doesn't
have
a
canopy,
so
that's
obviously
a
negative
draw
to
it
and
I
hope
I'm
answering
your
question
or
at
least
going
down
the
right
path.
So.
P
The
location
is
specific
to
the
other
store,
which
is
right
down
the
street,
so
the
two
stores
can
kind
of
team
up
act
as
a
team.
You
know
two
stores
same
brand,
so
they
can
kind
of
share
that
loyalty
from
different
customers.
So
it's
going
to
be
the
same
company
and
two
different
stores,
so
the
proximity
is
just
more
opportunistic
in
terms
of
where
it's
at
in
the
location
of
town,
it's
right
by
the
other
eastern
location.
P
F
Yeah,
if
I
could-
and
I
don't
I'm
sorry-
I
don't
have
a
question
for
you.
I
just
have
you're
welcome
to
stay,
but
the
I
did
the
other
site
actually
was
before
the
commission
back
in
may.
For
a
similar
rezoning
request
staff
made
the
same
recommendation.
The
commission
forwarded
the
same.
You
adopted
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
rezoning
was
denied
in
that
case.
F
That
property
is
zoned
mx1,
I
don't
think
they've
been
vacant,
so
they
could
continue
on
with
their
gas
station
use,
but
they
were
looking
for
the
mx3
because
it
allows
you
to
have
liquor
sales
in
this
site.
Another
option
might
be
for
the
if
the
commission,
if
you're
appropriate,
with
or
feel
comfortable
that
the
land
use
designation
is
appropriate
here,
but
you're
not
comfortable
with
mx3
zoning.
F
You
could
look
at
mx2
zoning,
which
would
allow
fuel
cells
as
a
conditional
use,
and
it
would
not
allow
liquor
sales
if
they
would
have
the
ability
to
seek
beer
and
wine.
However,
they
would
still
have
the
same
separation
requirements
that
they're
going
to
have
to
overcome
at
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
of
that
other.
You
know
the
case
that
we
just
saw
a
few
months
ago.
That's
just
a
little
bit
down
the
road.
C
C
I
P
Well,
the
driver
is
energy
and
just
being
an
energy
source
for
the
neighborhood.
Having
that
quick,
stop
to
be
able
to
get
up
and
go
and
go
to
your
work,
go
to
your
business,
take
the
kids
to
school.
So
the
model
is
we're
really
trying
to
create
a
destination
for
just
safe
well-lit
area,
bathrooms,
obviously
cleanliness
and
just
being
that
ease
of
fuel
in
and
out
so
a
little
bit
of
both
to
answer
your
question
a
little
bit
of
convenience
and
energy
being
able
to
stop.
P
F
F
A
R
R
It's
going
to
be
more
like
a
family
convenience
store
with
a
nice
like
a
scoop
ice
cream.
You
know
it's
pretty
good
neighborhood
around
there
and
we
were
also
putting
a
nice.
You
know
chicken
program
so
we're
trying
to
make
like
more
convenient
like
a
gas
station,
and
then
you
know
the
food
and
then
you
know
the
grocery
in
there
and
the
tobacco
license
we're
not
looking
for
the
hard
liquor
the
applications
just
only
like
the
beer
license.
You
know.
I
R
K
It
sounds
like
there
might
be
a
different
zoning
district
that
will
allow
your
operation
so,
instead
of
being
as
intensive
as
the
mx3,
which
is
seen
in
larger
corridors,
perhaps
an
mx2
would
apply
instead,
would
you
have
any
oppositions
to
that?
You
still
have
to
go
to
the
conditional
use
permit,
as
you
would
if
it
was
the
mx3.
I
believe
so.
F
F
K
F
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
an
excellent
point-
johnny
the
mx2,
because
fuel
I
mean
fuel
cells
and
and
the
traffic
patterns
are
driven
by
that
you
know.
That's.
You
know,
that's
why
in
mx2,
that
is
a
conditional
use,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
sensitive
to
to
the
area
around
it.
So
I
think
that
if
the
commission's
interested
in
in
moving
forward
with
some
sort
of
ability
for
the
applicant
to
have
fuel
cells
at
this
location,
then
re-zoning
to
mx2
would
would
make
sense
if
fuel
sales
is
not
on.
F
The
you
know
was
not
part
of
the
proposal.
They'd
be
able
to
do
the
limited
retail
here.
You
know
they
discussed,
and
actually
I
misspoke.
If
it,
you
could
actually
get
a
go
to
the
zoning
board
adjustment
for
a
conditional
use
for
beer
and
wine.
If
this
was
just
retail
with
no
fuel
cells,
I
know
it
gets
a
little
convoluted,
but
hopefully
I
didn't
confuse
everybody.
I
So
can
I
clarify
what
you
were
saying
so
you're
saying?
Basically,
if
gas
is
not
mandatory
and
beer
and
wine
are
necessary
in
the
business
model,
they
could
have
a
convenience
store
without
a
zone
change.
It
would
still
require
them
to
ask
for
permission
for
beer
and
wine,
but
they
wouldn't
need
to
change
zoning.
That
is
correct
if
they
aren't
going
for
hard
liquor
and
they
still
want
gas,
they
would
have
to
go
to
mx2
at
a
minimum,
which
would
require
to
come
back
here
anyway.
I
Then
the
last
one-
I
guess
I'm
wondering
so
if
we're
saying
that
the
you
know
the
issue
is
the
the
traffic.
Is
there
something
significantly
different
about
the
traffic
here
versus
just
down
the
road
the
get
and
go
like?
Is
there
something
different
about
that
just
down
the
street,
because
this
sort
of
part
of
town
does
seem
to
have
these
nice
little
pockets
of
here's
a
little
shop?
You
could
walk
to
it's
it's
on
mean.
Easton
is
always.
F
A
busy
street-
and
you
know
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
know
that
you
could
look
at.
As
you
know,
the
fuel
cells
is
a
conditional
use,
and
so
the
conditional
use
criteria
includes
you
know,
impact
on
the
network.
You
know
street
network
traffic
congestion
in
the
area,
and
so
you
know
as
part
of
that
review,
we
would
look
at
that.
I
mean.
F
You
know
it
certainly
is
a
street
that
collects
traffic
in
the
area.
So
I
understand
you
know
that
traditionally
there
has
been
a
few
of
these
nodes,
but
I
I
don't
know
we
haven't
done
any
sort
of
analysis
I
mean
what's
in
front
of
us
tonight,
is
really
does
the
zoning
make
sense
here
and
does
it
make
sense
to
man
the
land
use
plan?
So
you
know
we
haven't
delved
into
any
sort
of
site,
specific.
F
I
I
guess
I
have
one
I'm
sorry
for
making
everyone's
night
long,
but
I
guess
there
it
seemed
like
there
was
a
comment
in
there
that
the
the
traffic
on
this
road
was
not
of
the
level
that
would
be
appropriate
for
this
type
of
zoning.
Unless
I
misunderstood,
what
is
the
traffic
here
relative
to
what
would
then
be
suitable
for
this
type
of
zoning
change,
like
I
think
it
was
saying:
hey
this?
Isn't
a
natural
corridor
for
this
traffic
isn't
high
enough?
What
is
the
metric
we're
using
to
assess
that
yeah.
F
I
would
just
go
back
to
the
the
different
the
intended
differences
between
mx3
and
mx1
and
2,
both
with
building
type
regulations,
but
also
the
uses
allowed
mx3
is
the
most
auto
oriented
of
the
three.
It
allows
a
little
higher
amount
of
intense
intensity
and
development
and
use
types
it's
more
auto
focused,
so
it
allows
like
drive-throughs,
and
you
know
gas
stations
by
right
and
liquor
store.
You
know.
F
I
think
the
the
value
of
the
mx2
is
that
we'll
have
the
conditional
use
criteria,
and
so,
if
it
becomes
a
nuisance,
the
conditional
use
can
actually
be
revoked
so
that
that
is
a
little
different
layer
and
that's
the
intent
of
it.
You
know
they're
going
to
have
to
kind
of
prove
it
so
to
speak
and
then
operate
in
a
manner.
That's
compliant.
K
K
J
B
A
Okay,
the
motion
passes:
okay,
we're
ready
for
item
number
10,
which
is
a
request
for
menard,
incorporated
for
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan;
menard's
expansion
for
property
in
the
vicinity
of
6000
southeast
14th
street
for
type
2
design;
alternatives
to
allow
expansion
of
an
outbuilding
within
a
cx
mixed-use
district
while
retaining
an
off-street
parking
lot
that
does
not
meet
the
minimum
interior
parking
lot.
Landscape
standards.
D
A
D
D
D
D
D
There
is
a
guard
shack,
that's
been
relocated
that
is
towards
the
front
of
the
building
just
south
that
is
here.
There
is
an
interior
elongated
planter
that
they're
creating
and
they're
adding
trees
to
that
elongated
planter.
That
is
intended
to
separate
the
access
to
the
storage
yard,
the
retail
storage
yard
and
separate
that
from
the
parking
for
folks
who
are
coming
in
in
and
out
the
front
door
as
opposed
to
going
into
the
yard
itself
to
pick
up
materials.
D
D
G
D
D
D
D
D
D
P
D
D
We
we
do
look
for
the
canopies
to
be
preserved,
mature
trees
to
be
maintained
and
then
any
mitigation
for
removal
and
then
considering
smart
principles
set
forth
in
chapter
iowa
code.
Chapter
18b,
part
of
the
consideration
today
of
the
type
2
design
alternative
for
a
public
hearing
site
plan
to
be
considered
by
the
planning
zoning
commission
is
intended
to
provide
you
with
the
authority
to
grant
relief
when
strict
compliance
with
certain
regulations
as
part
of
the
site,
plan
or
site
plan
are
desired
when
specific
site
features
or
characteristics
of
the
property.
D
They
are
proposing
approximately
1200
square
foot
buffer,
as
I
noted
between
the
parking
and
the
storage
yard
drive
through
lane
with
approximately
seven
trees.
This
is
a
divider
between
that
parking
area
and
that
storage
yard
access
drive
that
that
constitutes
a
majority
of
the
interior
island
improvements
that
are
taking
place.
F
F
If
you
go
back
to
the
last
page
of
the
staff
report,
we
are
recommending
denials
and
requests
to
type
two.
We
are
we're
still
willing
to.
We
don't
think
the
normal
standards
make
sense
here,
but
we
think
there's
a
price
in
the
middle
ground
we
were
shooting,
for
maybe
every
we
genetically
you
know
are
recommending
one
landscaping
island,
every
11
stalls,
which
kind
of
fits
into
that
pattern
that
I
described
you
know
when
you
put
together
numbers.
F
D
D
Let's
try
to
make
those
actual
full
islands
per
the
code.
Some
of
those
existing
trees
are
are
restrained
by
the
soil
area
that
that
is
in
each
and
then
for
some
of
those
shorter
rows.
Let's
look
at
what
does
it
look
like
if
every
11th
stall
was
that
from
eight
to
or
from
nine
to
eleven
having
that
interior
island,
possibly
that
would
result
in
adding
one
in
the
cross
section
of
probably
the
the
southernmost.
D
To
look
at
these
rows
and
getting
the
end
islands
as
required
and
look
at
doing
an
island
here
in
here
for
these
shorter
rows
and
then
maybe
some
of
these
longer
rows.
There
would
be
work
with
them
to
get
two
islands
but
making
sure
that
each
of
the
end
caps
have
the
appropriate
soil
area
for
existing
trees
and
has
the
appropriate
tree
and
canopy
that's
desirable
to
help
mitigate
that
heat
island
effect.
H
F
You
know
that'd
be
a
question
for
them
to
to
to
let
us
know
they
haven't
indicated,
or
you
know
made
that
I
guess
we
might
call
the
threat.
It's
just
been
a
dot.
We've
we've
been
having
a
back
and
forth
dialogue.
I
think
they
have
concerns
about
operations.
You
know
because
they're
still
open,
we
think
it
can
be
phased
in.
A
D
F
At
the
zoning
stage
we
had
mentioned
that
it
was
discussed
that
landscaping
would
probably
be
something
to
be
talked
about,
and
there
was
one
zoning
condition
that
left
it
basically
was
to
put
the
applicant.
I
noticed
that
you
know
we'd
be
looking
for
landscaping
in
the
parking
lot,
but
the
details
of
it
would
be
sorted
out
at
the
site
plan
stage.
S
S
It's
been
a
very,
very
difficult
project,
with
all
the
different
movements
we've
had
with
the
houses
and
going
back
and
rezoning
those
because
we
got
to
save
a
few
of
them
all
the
storm,
water
and
all
the
landscaping
we've
done,
and
I
do
appreciate
staff
working
with
us
and
a
lot
on
this
project,
and
I
do
appreciate
their
willingness
to
help
us
through
the
interior
landscape
islands.
This
has
been
a
concern
for
menards
since
the
beginning.
It's
why
I
brought
it
up
in
the
last
rezoning
hearing.
S
There's
a
couple
things
out
there.
Why
we're
so
adamant
to
try
to
avoid
the
middle
islands?
We
will
do
them
on
the
end.
Caps
we'll
agree
to
that,
but
we
do
whatever
we
can
to
try
to
keep
these
remodels
away
from
the
vast
majority
of
our
customers.
It's
an
operational
thing.
It's
a
safety
thing,
it's
a
confusion
thing
and
these
islands
are
not
just
taking
out
the
middle
islands.
We
gotta
run
irrigation
to
them.
So
now
we're
saw
cutting
the
middle
of
our
drive,
aisles
and
running
irrigation
to
all
these.
S
The
parking
lot
is
concrete.
If
it
was
asphalt,
it
would
have
been
a
little
bit
easier.
It's
a
little
bit
easier
of
a
patch
with
concrete
and
all
of
a
sudden
we're
patching
with
concrete
with
the
winters
and
the
springs
and
the
falls.
You
start
to
see
some
shifting
on
those.
So
we
have
some
concerns
with
that
as
well.
S
We
feel
that
if
we
can
limit
them
to
the
end
islands,
we
can
eliminate
that
a
little
bit,
but
also
another
issue
we
have
is
just
the
parking.
I
think
the
city
is
glad
to
hear
that
this
is
a
busy
store.
It
distorted
us
pretty.
Well
it's
why
we're
here
trying
to
invest
in
this
store
and
in
this
community.
S
But
overall,
we
have
put
a
lot
of
landscape
in
during
this
project,
we're
adding
50
new
trees
as
part
of
other
landscaping
requirements
and
number
of
shrubs,
and
that's
already,
on
top
of
the
200
plus
trees
we've
planted
since
we've
opened
the
store
so
from
a
site
perspective.
There's
a
lot
of
landscaping
out
there.
It's
not
an
anti-landscaping
thing
or
costing
by
any
means,
it's
just
the
inconvenience
aspect
of
doing
these
internal
islands,
and
then,
with
that
you
know
we're.
You
know.
We
hope
that
you
guys
can
see
our
side
of
it.
S
You
know
we're
not
trying
to
get
around
anything
we're
just
truly
concerned
with
what
this
is
going
to
do
to
our
operations.
We
are
staying
open.
We
hope
that
you
know
you
can
see
what
we've
done
so
far.
You
can
see
what
we've
invested
in
the
store
in
the
past
and
what
we're
proposing
to
invest
again
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer.
Any
questions
is
just
to
also
show
why
this
is
important
or
that
it
is
important
just
because
we're
going
through
this
process.
S
We
were
hoping
to
break
ground
on
this
project
this
year.
Now
it's
most
likely
going
to
be
next
year,
so
it
was
a
decision
we
had
to
make
internally
whether
we
wanted
to
proceed
with
this
process
to
try
and
limit
this
which
resulted
in
this
remodel
getting
pushed
another
year.
So
I
just
want
to
also
just
make
that
clear
that
this
was
not
an
easy
decision
to
make
from
menard's
perspective,
to
go
through
this
route,
but
we
felt
it
was
necessary
just
because
of
our
operations.
Q
S
Correct
and
the
thing
about
that
there's
only
about
five
of
them,
so
we're
limiting
them
quite
a
bit
plus
they're,
just
an
island
right
across
there
and
a
little
bit
easier
connection.
But
when
we're
going
in
the
middle
and
doing
all
those
we're
running
perpendicular
we're
running
parallel,
it's
just
a
lot
more
digging
up
so
in
terms
of
irrigation,
is
it
inconvenient?
S
I
If
the
issue
is
the
number
of
trees
and
we're
saying
that
irrigation
is
the
driver,
that's
the
problem
and
you're
saying
the
current
layout
of
getting
end.
Points
for
irrigation
is
fine.
With
these
end
caps,
if
we
made
the
end
caps
bigger.
Is
that
something
that
is
within
the
realm
of
possibility
to
make
sure
we
hit
the
number
of
trees,
because
we're
cutting
out
a
ton
of
trees
in
the
back,
we're
not
gaining
any
anywhere
yeah
I
mean
is,
is
a
larger
end
cap,
something
that
makes
sense.
S
F
F
I
think
we
mentioned
that
in
our
you
know
that
that's
brought
forward
to
help
explain
to
people
that
trees
and
parking
areas
aren't
just
for
aesthetics,
there's,
aesthetic
value
to
them,
but
there's
also
the
value
of
the
heat
item
effect,
which
you
know.
If
you
get
a
tree
with
a
you
know,
decent
canopy,
which
also
needs
a
good
sized
bed.
You
know
that's
and
that's
why
our
bed
standards
have
gotten
bigger,
so
it's
it's
all
of
it
together.
S
I
F
The
scale
of
the
drawing
I
mean,
I
I
think,
there's
space
there
I
mean
you
can
see
along
the
back
side
of
where
it
says
papa
murphy's
that
you
have
trees
shown
there
that's
a
little
bit
wider,
but
then
you
also
have
green
space
on
the
the
white
box
side
too,
that
they
can
grow
into.
So
I
I
think,
would
be
okay,
oh.
F
A
F
F
D
P
D
P
K
D
F
I
know
from
another
project
that
the
kohl's
at
merle
hay-
I
mean
yeah,
merle,
hay
mall,
that's
under
development.
We
worked
with
them
and
ended
up
giving
them
a
little
bit
of
relief
and
they
kind
of
they
they're
at
a
one
per
11
average.
I
think
they
have
some
they're
they're
closer
to
one
for
every
nine,
but
that
seemed
to
work
with
them
and
it
was
a
similar
kind
of
auto.
You
know
lots
of
parking
out
front
situation.
C
D
C
A
A
T
T
T
T
T
So
here's
the
site
plan
submittal
that
the
applicant
submitted.
This
is
really
the
same
site
plan
that
was
submitted
back
in
2017.
Really.
The
only
difference
like
I
said
before
is
the
amendment
to
waive
that
sidewalk.
So
if
I
go
to
the
second
page
here,
you'll
see
the
proposed
improvements
to
add
a
couple
of
trees
and
really
increase
the
greenery
of
the
site.
It's
really
a
minor
site
plan.
There's
really
not
a
ton
of
work
to
be
done.
The
only
change
they're
requesting
is
to
not
install
that
sidewalk.
T
One
of
the
conditions
of
approval
from
the
site
plan
in
2017
was
sidewalk
was
not
required
to
be
installed
along
main
street
because,
as
it
exists
right
now,
it's
still
a
really
unimproved
road
and
sidewalk
wouldn't
really
make
sense.
There
I'm
going
to
scroll
down
and
show
you
what
the
site
looks
like
today,
so
this
is
a
view
of
the
site
looking
from
the
southwest.
This
is
at
the
corner
of
indiana
avenue
and
main
street.
T
T
Additionally,
commissioner
page
brought
it
up
earlier,
move
dsm.
It's
the
city's
transportation
plan.
It
indicated
that
both
indiana
avenue
and
ohio
street
are
what
we
call
priority.
Two
sidewalks
so
move
dsm.
They
have
different
designations
for
sidewalk
gaps
that
exist
within
the
city
and
I
think
a
lot
of
you
are
probably
pretty
familiar.
So
we're
the
priority
one
priority
two
and
priority
three
priority:
one
being
the
highest
priority:
two
and
three
are
eligible
for
administrative
waiver.
T
However,
through
the
view
of
the
site
plan
consultation
with
the
city's
traffic
and
transportation
division,
staff
did
not
believe
it
was
appropriate
to
grant
this
waiver,
I
mean
there
are
really
three
main
criteria.
Three
main
reasons
for
that
and
I'll
show
some
of
the
site
context.
That
will
illustrate
my
points,
but
the
first
one
is
that
sidewalks
already
exist
along
indiana
avenue.
So
I
was
talking
about
the
site
characteristics
a
little
bit
earlier.
T
The
site
is
about
a
block
east
of
2nd
avenue,
which
is
a
pretty
major
commercial
corridor
within
our
city,
especially
going
through
the
north
side.
The
site's
only
a
block
off
of
that,
and
there
are
sidewalks
that
run
along
indiana
avenue
on
both
sides,
the
north
and
south
side,
from
second
to
the
site
they
stop
at
the
site.
T
So
again,
here's
how
the
site
looks
today.
This
is
the
east
side
of
the
building.
This
is
looking
from
the
southwest
and
then
here
is
a
picture
of
the
site
kind
of
southwest
or
that
caddy
corner
that
I
was
talking
about
with
those
recent
site
improvements.
It's
the
loft,
it's
an
event
space.
I
don't
know
if
people
are
familiar,
but
this
is
looking
along
the
indiana
avenue
frontage.
T
You
can
see
the
recent
sidewalk
improvements
that
were
made,
and
then
this
is
looking
towards
the
south
towards
university
avenue
and
you
can
see
that
the
sidewalk
wrapped
around
the
building
and
continued
south
along
main
street
towards
university
and
then
this
last
image
here
is
a
view
on
indiana
avenue
looking
west
towards.
Second,
you
can
see
the
the
sidewalk
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen
on
the
south
side
of
the
street,
and
it's
it's
continuous
all
the
way
to
second
avenue.
On
the
north
side
there
is
sidewalk
that
exists.
T
You
know,
unfortunately,
right
now
that
that
one
lot
is
really
overgrown.
You
can't
really
see
the
sidewalk
and
admittedly
the
sidewalk
that
does
exist
is
in
really
poor
shape.
It's
not
really
passable,
but
sidewalk
does
exist
there
and
so
staff
believes
would
be
important
to
try
to
connect
with
that
existing
sidewalk.
O
C
Would
you
go
back
to
the
property
that
is
to
the
southwest
of
the
applicant
property
today,
it's
the
one
with
the
new
sidewalk
correct
yeah.
Thank
you.
It's
interesting
that
the
sidewalk
here
is
punctuated
by
the
utility
poles,
and
so
my
question
is
that
must
be
allowed
by
city
code.
Talk
to
me
about
that
for
a
minute
or
two.
Would
you
I
think,
that's
an
interesting
solution,
not
to
prejudice
what
you're
going
to
say.
T
So
the
site
plan
that
your
the
site
improvements
that
you're
looking
at
were
part
of
a
2018
site
plan.
Submittal.
We
evaluated
that
under
a
little
bit
different
design
standards
than
we
do
now.
You
know
if
that
site
plan
was
submitted
today.
I
don't
know
if
that
type
of
design
solution
would
have
been
considered
or
if
it
would
have
been
treated.
F
Unfortunately,
we
can't
zoom
in
terribly
well,
but
there
are
just
some
sometimes
situations
where
there's
just
no
opportunity
to
to
not
work
around
a
utility
pole
and
that
sort
of
stuff-
I
don't
was
your-
did
you
have
another
photograph
in
there?
I
apologize
I'm
taking
you
on
a
little
bit
of
a
tangent
here.
I
thought
that.
F
C
C
F
You
know
I.
I
don't
know
how
much
width
we
have
in
the
right
of
way
where
exactly
that
fence
is
on
you
know,
circuit.
You
know
creating
a
path
around
it
and
the
obstacle,
the
nick.
Do
you
by
chance?
No
from
looking
at
the
old
site
plan
how
the
layout
was
you
know
if,
if
frank,
if
you
can
just
go
poke
the
buttons
over,
there
have
frank
do
it.
T
F
I'm
assuming
that
yeah,
the
old
site
plan
showed
how
it
was
going
to
handle
the
utilities,
but
it's
hard
to
know
without
surveyed
information,
exactly
how
close
that
fence.
You
know
what
is
that
actual
gap
between
the
pole
and
the
curb
and
the
pole
and
the
fence,
and
so
I
mean
there
are
obstacles
you
have
to
overcome
sometimes,
but
to.
F
U
Okay-
madam
speaker,
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
brianne
barnum
with
97
indiana
holdings,
so
there
might
be
a
question
as
to
why
it's
taken
us
so
long
to
get
the
site
plan
amended
filed.
I
received
direction
several
months
ago
from
councilman
gray,
that
there
were
some
discussions
around
sidewalks
and
he
told
me
to
just
kind
of
hold
tight
and
file
the
amended
site
plan.
U
U
Do
want
to
start
by
saying
that
aaron
and
I
are
very
committed
to
walkability.
We've
been
active
members
of
our
neighborhood
association
for
going
on
almost
two
decades.
We
worked
very
heavily
on
the
sixth
avenue
corridor
project,
bringing
back
the
multi-use
path
and
increasing
walkability
and
bike
ability
in
our
neighborhood.
We
most
recently
advocated
for
sidewalks
on
this
site,
which
was
very
close
to
our
home.
U
U
So
the
property
directly
to
the
north
is
whites.
I'm
sure
we
all
know
white's
construction
they've
been
in
business
for
a
million
billion
years.
I
think
it's
actually
just
like
150
and
they'll
be
in
business
for
many
years
to
come.
I
don't
think
that
sidewalk.
I
don't
think
that
property
is
going
to
change
use
and
so
that
sidewalks,
I'm
probably
not
going
to
see
a
connection
in
my
lifetime,
maybe
not
even
my
children's
lifetime.
U
If
you
do
just
a
quick
180,
the
property
just
to
the
north
of
this
is
story
kenworthy,
and
they
came
in
front
of
this
commission
about
a
year
ago,
so
like
pre-pandemic
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
they
actually
offered
to
put
a
sidewalk
on
ohio.
And
I
was
like
oh
good
now
we
might
have
some
connectivity
on
the
one
that
we're
required
to
put
in,
but
that
never
happened.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
happened.
So
we
lost
that
connection
on
story.
U
U
That
property
is
that
vacant
for
over
a
year,
and
so
I
thought
that
this
new
company
who's,
a
fire
protection
company,
great
neighbor
by
the
way,
would
have
to
go
through
a
similar
site
plan
review
as
us,
and
then
therefore
we
would
have
a
southeast
connection
for
our
sidewalks,
but,
as
you
can
see,
there
isn't
one.
So
we
kind
of
lose
that
if
we
move
over
to
indiana,
you
can't
see
it.
But
again
the
building
directly
to
the
south
of
us
is
dr
salloway.
U
He
purchased
the
property
very
recently,
but
before
sidewalks
were
required,
so
we
lose
that
connectivity
connectivity
to
the
south,
dr
salloway,
is
an
acquaintance
of
ours.
He
said
he's
holding
on
that
to
that
building
for
a
very
long
time.
It's
part
of
his
retirement
plan,
so
not
in
my
lifetime.
Am
I
going
to
see
a
connection,
stewart
actually
alexander,
a
great
event
space.
It's
beautiful
did
put
in
those
improvements
that
nick
showed
a
big
piece
of.
U
It
is,
though,
that
he's
a
a
wedding,
an
event
space
which
a
beautiful
space-
that's
very
pricey,
so
it
was
really
financially
beneficial
to
him
to
make
those
improvements
to
make
sure
his
clients
feel
like
they
want
to
come
back
and
visit
that
space
and
again,
if
you
look
it's
a
level
b
road
right
there.
So
no
like
real
connection
and,
like
nick
pointed
out
and
I'll
give
a
little
closer
view.
U
Our
second
avenue
connection
is
that
so
we
would
put
it
along
indiana
across
a
level
b-
road-
that's
not
maintained
at
all
into
this
grassy
area
that
there
is
broken
sidewalk,
I
would
say
just
broken
concrete.
I
wouldn't
even
call
it
a
sidewalk,
so
there's
no
real
connectivity
there.
So
I'm
talking
a
lot
about
that
because
I
just
I
feel
like
connectivity
is
important
and
connectivity
in
the
near
term
is
important
instead
of
connectivity,
maybe
50
years
from
now,
when
my
kids
have
to
replace
those
sidewalks
and
connect.
U
Something
else
councilman
gray
reached
out
to
me
about
is
there's
been
similar
businesses
in
front
of
this
commission
that
did
receive
waivers
that
he
think
strengthens
our
request
for
a
full
waiver.
I
think,
a
few
months
after
us,
a
similar
business
received
a
full
waiver
and
they
were
in
a
similar
business
park.
U
It
was
the
food
bank
of
iowa
and
their
connectivity
actually
went
straight
to
east
14th,
which
would
have
been
great
several
months
after
that
franklin
junior
high,
which
is
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
received
a
waiver
because
their
plantings,
as
he
said,
would
make
it
too
difficult
to
remove
in
their
residential
neighborhoods.
So
that
would
have
been
kind
of
important.
U
So
a
couple
things
on
that,
while
we
don't
have
the
breadth
of
impact
that
the
food
bank
of
iowa
does
have,
we
do
bring
very
important
arts
and
culture
center
to
the
north
side
of
des
moines.
That
was
very
much
lacking,
and
then
I
would
say
just
as
well
pointed
out
moving
bushes
is
a
small
feat
compared
to
moving
or
relocating
or
trying
to
pour
around
electrical
poles.
And
you
see
we
are
surrounded
by
those.
U
I
know
I've
thrown
a
lot
at
you,
but
I
really
think
that
it
does
come
down
to
this.
The
sidewalk
requirement
has
been
a
little
bit
haphazardly,
applied
and
inconsistently
applied.
It's
been
ever
changing
and
I
think
that
significantly
impacts
the
ability
to
provide
a
true
connected
sidewalk
in
the
near
midterm.
Walkability
in
central
place.
Could
become
important
in
the
future,
but
I
think
this
piecemeal
approach
is
not
the
responsible
way
to
achieve
it.
U
For
now,
we'd
like
to
take
what
little
capital
we
have
left
after
barely
surviving
the
pandemic
and
make
continued
improvements
in
the
exterior
of
our
building
that
are
meaningful.
As
you
can
see
see,
we've
started
the
historic
preservation
of
the
second
floor
windows,
we'd
like
to
move
on
to
the
third.
We've
made
significant
improvements
beyond
what
was
required
in
landscaping
and
additional
exterior
improvements.
U
I'll
conclude
by
saying
that,
throughout
the
sidewalk
discussion
at
central
place,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
well.
We
got
to
start
somewhere
and
I
totally
agree
to
reach
a
goal.
You
do
have
to
start
somewhere,
but
you
have
to
start
at
the
right
place
and
I
think
this
misses
the
mark.
It's
doing
a
little
bit
more
harm
than
the
perceived
good.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
U
So
we
have
horizon
line
coffee
roast
their
beans
and
trace
trains,
their
baristas
down
there.
We
have
a
couple
painters,
two
kids,
that
just
graduated
from
central
campus
and
opened
their
own
screen
printing
studio,
so
we're
just
providing
affordable
spaces
to
the
creative
community
to
contribute
to
the
creative
economy.
K
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicants
five
years
ago,
when
you
were
in
front
of
this
body,
you
had
a
pro.
You
have
conditions
that
were
worse
than
they
are
currently
now
with.
Obviously,
there
has
been
some
upgrades
to
the
sidewalk
around
your
property,
so
what's
changed
from
your
original
compromise
to
to
put
that
in
two
years
after
that
original
approval
back
then
sure.
U
U
The
connectivity
discussion
just
hasn't
been
talked
about
about
long-term
properties
around
that
area
and
will,
when
will
those
sidewalks
connect?
And,
lastly,
we
were
brand
new
business
owners.
We
had
no
idea
what
we
were
getting
ourselves
into
and
we
wanted
to
work
with
staff
and-
and
we
do
continue
to
want
to
work
with
staff.
U
I
I
U
A
I
F
Though,
well,
I
would
start
with
our
neighbor.
You
know
getting
an
enforcement
complaint
to
our
neighborhood
inspection
division,
there's
also
a
polk
county
weed.
Commissioner,
I
don't
know
if
this
would
fall
under
that,
but
somebody
needs
to
file
a
complaint
if
there's
an
existing
sidewalk
there.
I
believe
our
sidewalk
inspector
could
also
follow
up
on
the
complaint
on
that
and
have
repairs
made
to
it
through
the
their
enforcement
actions.
Q
I
have
a
question
we
were
talking
about
undergrounding
utilities
before
and
I
realized
the
sidewalk
issue
goes
back
further
than
that,
but
with
the
underground
utilities,
you
looked
at
a
percentage
of
the
total
site,
improvement,
budget
and
sort
of
set
a
threshold,
for
that
is,
is
that
ever
present
with
a
sidewalk
consideration
as
well?
Looking
at
the
budget.
F
I
F
F
L
I
don't
but
looking
at
the
city
code
on
sidewalks,
it's
135
8.5.2,
you
know
we
discussed
earlier
utilities
and
there's
the
reasonably
practicable
standard,
so
staff
has
used
things
like.
Are
you
located
on
a
corridor?
What
is
the
percentage
of
your
project
cost?
What
is
the
overall
value
things
like
that
to
try
to
determine
that
reasonable
practicability?
L
There
is
no
similar
language
and
sidewalk
site.
The
the
section
says:
sidewalks
are
required
as
identified
in
the
city's
transportation
master
plan
and
then
allowing
a
type
one
design
alternative
for
certain
priority
level,
two
and
three
sidewalks,
and
then
deferral
through
a
written
deferral,
deferral
agreement
for
priority
level
one.
But
my
point
is
the
value
consideration
came
in
with
the
reasonable
practical
practicability
standard
and
that
similar
language
isn't.
In
this
code,
section.
L
K
B
K
F
K
I
Is
motioning
for
a
deferral
possible?
I
mean,
I
think,
if,
if
all
of
a
sudden,
this
is
as
successful
as
I
hope
this
area
of
the
city
is,
and
we
do
get
it
away
from
not
looking
like
a
suburb
anymore,
can
we
propose
a
deferral
here
because
I
think
waiving
it
seems
like
we
don't
want
to
just
waive
it,
but
I
don't
think
that
seems
reasonable
cost.
Now.
L
Yes
again,
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
or
council
could
propose
something
different
than
the
code.
The
code
just
indicates
that
administratively
staff
could
approve
a
weight,
a
waiver.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned,
or
deferral,
as
I
mentioned,
depending
upon
priority
level,
the
plan
and
zoning
commission
or
council
could
could
act
beyond
that.
F
F
I
I
believe
it's
a
it's
a
site
plan
requirement
which
runs
with
the
property.
Okay
so
and
I'm
getting
the
nod
that
I'm
right.
So
thank
you.
So,
yes,
a
future
owner
would
be
obligated
to
keep
the
site
and
to
con
to
operate
the
site
and
conformance
with
their
approved
site
plan,
regardless
of
the
owner.
At
the
time
the
cycle
has
proved.
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Okay,
okay,
so
just
make
sure
when
you
that
comes
to
you
next
for
the
next
month,
you
take
a
look
at
it,
we'll
like
to
vote
on
that,
if
possible
and
then,
like.
I
said
that
we
have
that
5
30
session,
anticipating
that
they'll
take
action,
you
guys
will
have
to
vote
on
the
tax
abatement
program.
The
next
meeting,
so
thank
you-
will.