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From YouTube: 3-4-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, March 4, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Okay,
welcome
to
the
march
4th
plan
and
zoning
commission
meeting
I'll
now
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plats.
A
A
If
applicants
wish
to
share
materials
not
already
submitted
with
the
application,
please
email
them
to
planning
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
will
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
A
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing.
Please
use
the
raise
hand,
function
on
zoom,
webinar
via
internet
or
dial
star
9
on
your
phone.
Once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial
star
6
on
your
phone.
You
will
be
required
to
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
A
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
any
opponent
spoke.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
The
city
of
des
moines
is
pleased
to
provide
accommodations
to
individuals
or
groups
with
disabilities
and
encourages
participation
in
city
government.
Please
know
that
typical
accommodations
may
be
limited
by
emergency
requirements,
as
issued
by
the
state
of
iowa
and
the
city
of
des
moines.
Now
we're
ready
for
roll
call.
C
B
Here,
dory
browse
present
jan
freed
here,
caleb
bergson
here,
steve
wallace.
Oh
sorry,
he
said
he's
not
going
to
be
with
us
tonight.
Carolyn
jennison
here
francis
bogus
here
greg
jones
here,
all
right
and
lisa
said
she's
going
to
be
a
little
late
and
emily
steve
and
gray
watie
are
not
going
to
be
with
us
tonight.
So
we
do
have
quorum.
C
C
A
Thank
you
tyler.
Now
we're
ready
for
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
item
number
one
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
hilltop
urban
renewal
plan
is,
in
conformance
with
the
planned
dsm,
creating
our
tomorrow
plan
for
property
located
in
the
3500
to
3600
block
of
the
north
side
of
hubble
avenue
at
the
intersection
of
east
douglas
avenue
and
kennedy
drive.
A
Okay,
then
item
number
one
will
stay
on
the
consent.
Agenda
item
number
two
as
a
request
from
urban
campus
apartments,
llp
represented
by
jack
hatch
for
vacation
of
the
air
and
subservice
rights
within
the
west
three
feet
of
sixth
avenue
adjoining
the
property
located
at
one
two:
three:
zero
sixth
avenue
to
allow
for
encroachment
of
building
footings
and
building
overhangs
there.
Anyone
present
who
would
like
to
have
this
pulled
and
discussed
in
the
public
hearing.
B
A
Thank
you,
tyler.
We're
now
ready
for
the
public
hearing
item
number
three
request
from
mundo:
nito
llc,
represented
by
guadalupe
castillo
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
mundo,
pequeno,
child
care
for
the
property
located
at
1922
southwest
first
street,
and
I
believe
bert,
is
presenting
tonight.
E
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
the
site
planned
before
you
is
requesting
four
type,
two
design
alternatives.
The
first
two
are
for
a
parking
lot
and
a
trash
enclosure
within
the
front
yard
area.
The
third
is
for
a
waiver
of
public
sidewalk
along
columbus
avenue,
and
the
fourth
is
for
the
waiver
of
the
requirement
for
underground
utilities.
E
The
subject
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
indianola
road
at
the
intersection
of
southwest
first
street.
So
right
across
the
street
from
saint
anthony's,
the
site
looks
familiar
it's
because
they
re-zoned
it
recently
from
nx2
to
rx1,
and
then
they
also
vacated
a
strip
of
right
away
along
southwest
1st
street,
so
they
had
more
room
for
their
offspring
parking
lot.
E
So
here
is
the
site
plan.
That's
being
proposed.
North
would
be
to
your
right
over
here.
So
again,
the
four
type
two
design
alternatives
that
are
requested
are
one
to
have
the
parking
within
the
front
yard
area
and
given
the
placement
of
the
existing
building,
it's
kind
of
a
no-brainer.
There
really
aren't
any
other
places
on
the
property
that
aren't
between
the
building
and
the
front
property
line,
so
staff
has
recommended
approval.
E
The
second
would
be
to
allow
a
trash
enclosure
in
this
location.
Right
here
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
parking
lot
again
same
deal,
there
really
isn't
any
location
on
the
property
to
put
a
trash
in
closure.
So
while
it's
not
an
ideal
location,
we
really
do
feel
that
there's
a,
I
guess,
a
practical
difficulty
or
a
hardship
in
locating
it
anywhere
else.
E
E
Let's
just
take
another
step
north
and
this
is
looking
to
the
west
from
southwest
first
street,
so
this
is
columbus
avenue
where
they're
asking
for
waiver
of
the
sidewalk
requirement.
There's
also
overhead
utilities
here,
but
I
have
a
letter
from
mid-american
that
I'll
show
you
as
well.
That
says:
there's
really
no
way
that
they
could
ever
that
they
could
bury
that
overhead
line,
and
then
this
is
looking
what
I'm
sorry.
This
is
looking
east
now
down
columbus
avenue
towards
the
site,
so
the
blue
building
here
is
the
subject
property.
E
And
again,
here's
the
sketch
that
mid-american
proposed
or
provided
so
bearing
the
build
or
burying
this
lion
here
across
southwest
first
street
and
then
across
the
parking
lot.
That
was
the
21
thousand
dollar
cost
and,
as
they
mentioned
here,
that
there's
no
good
options
to
convert
that
line
along
the
north
property
line
to
an
underground
location.
Given
the
transformer
and
a
few
other
reasons
so
in
this
is
just
confirmation
for
mid-americans
saying
that
the
estimate
does
not
include
bearing
lines
along
columbus
avenue.
E
So
we
asked
the
applicant
for
their
total
project
budget
and
they
came
back
saying
that
the
project
is
going
to
cost
forty
thousand
five
hundred
sixty
plus
another
ten
thousand
dollars
for
the
sidewalk
along
southwest
first
street,
so
their
overall
investment
is
over
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
so
we'll
get
to
in
the
staff
rationale.
We
felt
that,
given
the
cost
of
bearing
that
service
line
of
twenty
one
thousand
plus
another,
seventy
five
hundred
dollars
estimate
that
it
would
cost
to
make
the
modifications
inside
the
building
by
the
electrician.
E
So
they
were
looking
at
over
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
for
bearing
the
utilities
that
we
felt
that
they
did
meet
the
criteria
for
waiving
the
undergrounding
requirement.
We
didn't
think
it
was
reasonably
practicable
in
this
situation,
so
in
our
staff
recommendation
again,
I
talked
about
the
costs
and
how
the
twenty
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
forty
one
dollar
expense
for
underground.
That
would
represent
a
fifty
seven
percent
of
the
project's
fifty
thousand
dollar
budget.
E
E
E
E
G
E
H
You
have
covered
things
very
well,
so
I
apologize
if
I
repeat
some
things,
but
there
are
a
couple
points
that
I'd
like
to
emphasize
for
the
commission.
We
are
in
agreement
with
staff's
report,
obviously
with
it,
with
the
exception
of
the
part
c
recommendation
for
the
columbus
street
sidewalk,
so
I'll
try
to
focus
on
that.
H
I
think
the
question
for
the
commission
tonight
is
really:
when
is
the
burden
of
the
code
too
much
to
impose
upon
a
small
business
owner
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
just
a
little
bit
of
background
on
the
property
this
this?
This
has
been
a
daycare
for
years
and
years.
I
don't
have
an
exact
date,
but
I
believe
it's
in
excess
of
20
years.
H
H
She
wanted
to
move
the
front
door
to
create
a
little
bit
nicer
entrance
into
the
facility,
improve
the
facade,
basically
new,
siding
and
then
replace
the
existing
pavement
in
front
of
the
building,
which
was
in
poorer
condition,
so
that
obviously
kind
of
kicked
off
this.
This
kind
of
domino
effect
of
of
processes
that
have
needed
to
happen
since
that
time,
as
bert
mentioned,
we
had
a
pre-app
and
found
out
that
we
were
a
non-conforming
use
in
the
zoning
district.
So
we
were
requested
to
go
ahead
and
re-zone
the
property
which
we,
which
we
did.
H
That
was
time
and
time
and
some
money
for
it
for
the
owner
and
then,
as
we
kind
of
dug
into
the
site
plan,
we
realized
that
to
create
any
kind
of
a
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
building
to
replace.
What's
there,
we
just
didn't:
have
the
the
dimension
in
front
of
the
building
between
the
street
right
away,
so
it
was
recommended
that
southwest
first
street
had
a
little
bit
of
extra
right
away.
H
So
again
that
was
more
time
and
money,
obviously
for
the
owner
to
purchase
that
right
away.
Then,
obviously,
we
dug
into
the
site
plan.
We
recognized
that
you
know
much
of
the
landscaping
the
trash
enclosure.
A
lot
of
that
is
kind
of
standard
standard
site
planning
stuff
agreed
to
do
those
improvements,
even
though
they
really
weren't
part
of
what
the
owner
originally
sought
to
do
to
improve
her
business.
H
But
we're
going
ahead
and
doing
that
and
then
obviously
the
two
issues
that
bert
spent
the
most
time
on
there,
the
sidewalk
and
the
bearing
of
the
power
were
bigger
surprises
to
the
owner
of
the
property.
We
appreciate
staff's
agreement
that
bearing
the
power
is
not
not
practical
and
and
unreasonable
for
this
property
owner.
So
we
appreciate
that
recommendation
for
the
sidewalk.
H
H
We
believe
that
we
have
exceeded
what
is
reasonable
for
a
small
business,
with
the
with
the
scope
of
the
improvements
that
were
originally
proposed,
relatively
relatively
small
project
and
for
for
a
small
business
owner.
It's
significant
investment
and
all
these
other
things
that
get
tacked
on
and
the
processes
it
becomes
overwhelming
for
for
a
small
business
owner.
So
we
request
your
consideration
this
evening
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
additional
questions.
Thank
you.
I
J
J
E
I
I
K
Yeah
this
is
abby
chunga.
I
have
a
question
about
the
plans
that
we
were
given
that
show
the
north
section
of
the
property
where
a
sidewalk
would
go.
There
are
trees,
and
I
guess
my
there
are
trees
indicate
that
they
will
be
planted
along
that
side
of
the
property
next
to
columbus
avenue,
and
my
question
is
whether
or
not
there
would
then
remain
space
to
put
a
sidewalk
either
now
or
in
the
future,
or
if
the
trees
would
then
obstruct
that.
H
This
is
alan
simonsen's.
Those
are
street
trees
that
are
required
as
of
the
site
planning
process,
we'll
be
putting
them
in.
Obviously,
the
location
is
slightly
flexible,
depending
on
what
needs
to
happen
there.
There
is
overhead
power,
so
I
think
they
need
to
be
understory
trees,
and
I
think
the
plan
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
plant
those
between
where
the
sidewalk
would
be
located.
In
the
back
of
curbs
such
that,
if,
in
the
future
the
sidewalk
was
required,
it
would,
it
would
go
in
behind
the
trees.
E
E
L
Thank
you,
everybody
for
hear
that
project.
Thank
you,
alan
for
the
presentation,
thank
you
for
the
commission
to
hear
that.
So
I'm
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
here
and
I
hear
everything
so
and
well-
I'm
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
this
is
the
third
year
in
this
building.
I've
been
working
my
home
for
14
years,
and
this
is
all
the
stuff
is
new
for
me
and
I'm
just
designing
help
from
you
guys,
because
I
need
the
neighbor.
L
A
F
C
B
B
A
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
The
refuse
and
recycling
would
be
clear
at
the
north
end,
they're,
proposing
shrubs
around
the
west
and
the
north
and
there's
one
overstory
tree
planting
required
with
that.
In
order
to
preserve
a
parking
space
on
this
side,
they
are
not
proposing
any
landscaping
on
that
and
it's
so.
The
requirement
is
to
be
surrounded
on
the
three
sides
by
the
landscaping,
so
it's
essentially
waiver
of
a
of
a
overstory
tree
and
shrubs
well.
N
Preservation
of
as
many
spaces
as
they
can
get
because
they're
introducing
more
employees
to
this
building
and
their
concern
is
that
they
won't
have
enough
for
visitors
and
employees
at
peak
times
of
the
workday.
So
that's
their
that's!
How
they've
expressed
in
their
narrative
that
they
submitted
with
their
application
and
I'm
sure
they'll
they'll,
get
into
that
more
when
they
make
their.
N
There
was
no
communications
received
and
I
should
remind
the
commission
that
on
site
plans
and
plots,
we
don't
send
out
response
cards
until
they.
Somebody
would
call
contact
us
and
request
to
see
the
documents
and
then
we
would
provide
them
with
a
card
if
they
wanted
to
or
or
just
invite
them
to
make
a
written
communication.
So
there's
a
lot
of
times
when
site
plans
would
not
have
cards,
and
I
just
realized
that
I
must
have
either
I
skipped
the
photos
or
I
didn't
they
didn't
get
inserted
properly.
N
A
N
N
N
N
N
O
O
I
won't
speak
too
much
about
the
building
renovations.
Well.
First
of
all,
let
me
say
that
eric
did
a
fine
job
running
through
and
explaining
the
project.
We
are
appreciate
the
staff's
approval
of
our
recommendation
of
a
and
b
items
c
and
d.
I
think
simply
boil
down
to
weighing
the
need
of
a
parking
space
versus
a
landscape
island,
and
we
can
get
into
that
more
of
that
discussion
later.
O
O
You
would
have
to
practically
face
to
the
east.
However,
it
would
have
to
then
be
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
and
the
whole
dock
operation
would
move
much
closer
to
the
street
and
the
trucks
would
be
along
the
street
and
we
and
staff
both
thought
that
that
was
a
worse
scenario
than
leaving
the
dock,
where
it's
at,
as
you
saw
in
the
elevations
that
will
be
enclosed
and
it'll
just
have
a
dock.
You
know
overhead
door
there,
so
it'll
be
really
cleaned
up
from
what
it
is
today
as
well.
O
The
second
item
is
concerning
the
fence
buffer.
Along
the
south
side.
We
thought
that
it
made
more
sense
to
add
the
sidewalk
in
there
to
get
the
sidewalk
was
more
important
than
the
complete
fence
buffer,
which
would
have
disturbed
the
trees
and
we're
tight
on
space
there.
So
we
appreciate
that
staff
acknowledged
that
we
kind
of
tried
to
do
the
best
that
we
could
there.
O
The
other
two
items
come
down
to.
As
I
said,
it's
parking
this
facility
right
now
employs
250
people.
They're.
Looking
part
of
the
project
is
to
take
over
warehouse
space
inside
the
building
and
convert
it
to
office
space
they're,
hoping
to
add
upwards
of
50,
more
employees
they're
looking
to
make
this,
you
know
more
more
site
amenities,
if
you
will,
where
the
docks
are
on
the
east
side
of
the
building.
O
So
I
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
this
first
drawing
here
I'm
trying
to
show
that
where
the
parking
lot
is
located
is
really
tucked
away
and
hidden
from
a
lot
of
the
public
view
already,
there's
warehouse
buildings
to
the
south,
their
own
building
to
the
east,
particularly
to
the
west,
to
the
east
there's
a
large.
I
think
that
was
the
oro
dolly
or
the
printing
building
to
the
east,
with
trucks
and
truck
docks
there
250
250
some
feet
away
that
also
drops
down
vertically
18
feet.
O
As
you
go
to
the
east
and
then
to
the
north.
There
are
some
heavy
heavy
trees
area.
There's
an
old
you
can
kind
of
see
the
faint
remnants
of
an
old
railroad,
switching
yard
there.
That's
that
drops
down,
but
then
it
comes
back
up
behind
the
apartments
and
the
the
the
rear
parking
area.
Those
apartments
is
roughly
six
feet
lower
than
the
parking
lot
of
the
its
shazam
site.
O
If
you
could
even
see
it
through
the
trees,
so
kind
of
wanted
to
give
an
overall
view
here
that
this
parking
lot
really
isn't
front
and
center
to
to
the
traveling
public,
it's
it's
very
isolated
and
very
and
very
hidden
away
and
where
we
propose
to
put
the
trash
enclosures
about
as
far
away
from
the
public
view
as
we
can
get
it
already.
So
we
were
cognizant
of
of
needing
it
to
be
hidden,
and
so
we
try
to
locate
it
in
about
as
far
away
a
place
as
we
could.
O
So
this
is
the
current
condition
today
and
with
the
number
of
of
islands
that
they
have.
As
you
can
see,
there's
some
long
rows
of
parking.
You
know
the
old
city
requirement
was
20,
I
think
20
stalls
in
a
row
and
they
have
some
areas
where
it's
approaching
15
or
I
think,
on
the
very
east
side
and
there's
maybe
a
row-
that's
maybe
a
hair
over
that,
like
a
22
or
so
stalls
without
an
island.
But
this
is
our
configuration
today.
O
O
We
think
this
is
a
reasonable
compromise
to
add
islands.
That
would
appear
approve
improve
the
appearance
of
the
parking
lot,
but
yet
still
balance
the
needs
that
the
owner
has
for
increasing
parking
right
now
that
old,
the
picture
you
saw
before
showed,
I
think,
was
208
parking
stalls
they're
trying
they
have
250
employees.
O
This
configure
rates
configuration,
gets
them
to
231
stalls
and
we're
still
adding
about
30.
Or
what
are
we
adding
we're?
Adding
about
18
additional
landscape
islands
and
we're
trying
to
put
them
where
they
need
to
be?
They
need
to
be
at
the
end
rows
so
that
every
end
cap
has
islands
and
also
the
break
up
the
long
rows
in
the
middle
of
the
lot
and
also
catch
the
well.
That's
it
yeah
catch
the
encamp
and
the
long
mid
mid
island
rows.
O
So
we
think
this
is
a
reasonable
compromise.
It
gets
some
rows
have,
instead
of
having
eight
they
get
upwards
of
having
10
or
maybe
12
cars
in
a
row
before
there's
an
island.
But
again
we
think
this
is
a
reasonable
compromise
kind
of
halfway
between
what
we
had
before
and
what
the
full
requirement
would
be
and
eric.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
that
shows
what
the
full
build
out
would
be
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
gets
fairly
busy
with
a
lot
of
islands.
O
But
that's
what
the
way
the
existing
parking
lot
is
laid
out
too.
It's
not
in
easy
increments
of
eight
stalls.
Island
eight
stalls
island
there's
some
roads
that,
as
you
can
see,
there's
some
islands
that
are
only
maybe
two
stalls
apart,
but
we're
retrofitting
the
number
of
stalls
we
had
and
trying
to
make
it
into
these
units
of
eight
stalls
and
an
island
eight
stalls
on
an
island,
and
it
gets
a
little
there's
a
lot
of
roads
that
are
definitely
less
than
eight.
O
Again,
the
reason
we
don't
wanna
and
fully
landscape
that
trash
enclosure,
because
we're
trying
to
save
parking
stalls
that
seemed
like
a
parking
stall
that
or
it
was
easy
to
ask
for
in
the
sense
that
that
trash
enclosure
is
going
to
be
landscaped
on
the
west
side,
the
north
side.
Already
it's
already
tucked
back
in
the
back
of
the
building,
the
only
visible
side,
it's
going
to
have
a
masonry
block
wall
on
it.
The
only
thing
that's
not
going
to
happen.
O
Is
there
not
going
to
be
shrubs
against
the
block
for
that
trash
enclosure
and
the
only
people
that
are
going
to
see
that
are
the
people
that
are
parking
in
that
row
of
stalls
there?
The
there
are
no
public
views
from
the
from
the
east.
As
you
can
see,
it
goes
off
to
the
other
warehouse
and
truck
parking
lot,
that's
off
to
the
east,
so
we
we
think
we've
done
what
was
as
much
as
we
could
do.
O
We
I
mean
we
could
have
asked
for
even
maybe
even
less
landscaping
there,
but
we
we're
trying
to
be
reasonable,
put
in
as
much
landscaping
as
we
think
makes
sense.
But
again,
this
is
a
the
owners
desperately
want
to
have
as
much
parking
as
they
can
to
provide
for
their
employees
to
attract
employees
and
retain
their
employees,
and
so
I
guess
I'll
end
my
presentation
with
that
and
take
any
questions
you
may
have
of
me
right
now.
I
know
others
from
its
shazam
may
like
to
speak
as.
I
A
P
Q
Q
J
R
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
proceed.
It
sounds
like
you
can't
hear
me.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
the
commission
and
to
the
madam
chairwoman
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
dan
kramer.
I
work
for
shazam
its
inc.
My
address
is
2149
northwest
135th
street
in
clive
iowa.
I
wanted
to
just
provide
some
perspective
tonight
on
the
reasons
why
we're
asking
for
the
change,
and
hopefully
you'll,
find
them
germane
to
the
discussion.
R
R
R
R
R
So
if
you
actually
kind
of
come
back
down,
willemere
drive
to
the
location
that
we're
at
you'll
actually
see
a
whole
host
of
kind
of
security
measures
to
prevent
unauthorized
access
into
our
building.
Those
loading
docks,
for
example.
Yes,
they
are
typically
used
for
things
that
you
would
normally
use
a
loading
dock
for
in
a
building
like
ours,
but
we
also
use
those
loading,
docks
to
load
and
unload
atms
and
the
reason
we
do.
R
R
But
in
addition
to
that,
we're
also
providing
services
to
credit
unions
and
banks.
That
includes
the
monitoring
of
fraud.
The
reason
that
that's
important
to
this
conversation
is
that
there
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
folks,
bad
actors
that
seek
to
gain
access
to
to
the
information
that
we
have
there's
a
reason
that
we
selected
the
site
in
the
facility
that
we
did
the
e
here
at
the
willem
area
location.
R
R
We're
asking
that
you
folks
take
that
into
consideration
when
you're.
Looking
at
the
things
in
front
of
you-
and
we
hope
that
you
will
find
some-
you
know
some
some
benefit
in
the
fact
that
we
are
certainly
willing
to
compromise
on
it.
But
we
really
are
trying
to
do
this
for
maybe
different
reasons
than
than
most.
A
I
N
C
P
A
J
As
chair
members
of
the
commission,
jason
vanessa,
with
the
city's
planning
staff,
this
item,
we
do
have
two
type.
Two
requests
I'll
show
the
map
and
drawings
to
get
you
familiar
with
the
site,
but
part
a
is
pertaining
to
on-site
or
on
surface
parking
on
sites.
The
downtown
our
downtown
building
types
only
allow
parking
within
buildings,
so
this
is
an
existing
site
where
a
building
is
being
remodeled
and
there's
a
parking
lot.
J
J
Site
plan
sheets,
these
were
included
in
the
packet.
You
received,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
us
to
the
landscaping
sheet,
and
you
can
see
that
they
are
providing
landscaping
around
the
perimeter.
We
do
have
some
street
trees.
We've
worked
with
them.
There
is
a
future
city
project
on
east
4th
street
and
they're
accomplishing
what
they
can
accomplish
at
this
time
and
that
project
will
come
in
a
later
date.
J
10
stalls
against
the
building
staff
is
supportive
or
has
approved
waiving
that
our
standards
are
eight
stalls
in
a
row
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
we
have
14
stalls
in
a
row.
That's
where
we
didn't
feel
like.
We
saw
enough
evidence
to
support
requesting
waiver.
You
know
I
want
to
emphasize
you
know
base
you
know
not
not
just
for
this
project,
but
for
the
past
one
and
other
items
that
you'll
see.
You
know
a
lot
of
times
when
it
it's.
J
You
know
when
we're
reviewing
these,
you
know
we
may
not
see.
We
may
feel
that
there
really
needs
to
be
more
discussion
and
and
and
that's
where
we
believe
that
pnc
has
a
role
to
play,
and
so
you
know
I
don't
you
know
needing
type
2
relief.
Isn't
that's
not
a
bad
thing?
That's
just
that's
just
a
process,
and
you
know
we
sometimes
we
want
to
loot
you
guys
in
and
also
often
it
provides
the
applicant
with
additional
time
to
provide
more
information
and
what
we've
seen
to
date
on
this
one.
J
J
Got
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
I
just
flipped
through
the
elevations
we've
already
approved
those
from
a
standpoint
that
nothing
needs
any
further
relief.
The
staff
reports
always
include
the
criteria
that
we
use
to
review
these
design.
Alternative
requests,
we've
already
gone
into
kind
of
our
rationale,
for
what
our
recommendations
are:
we're
supporting
part
a
and
based
off
the
information
we
have
to
date.
We
are
recommending
denial
of
part
b.
J
The
the
site
is
accessed
off
the
alley,
so
I
think
it
might
be
a
little
tight
to
have
it
down
this
way.
Certainly
we
could
do
that.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
strong
opinion
one
way
or
the
other.
You
know
we're
always
flexible
to
work
with
applicant.
I
think
there's
also.
Maybe
this
is
a
little
more
of
a
pinch
point
with
their
patio
space.
So
my
my
gut
reaction
was
more
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
but
you
know
certainly
open
to
suggestions
on
that.
S
S
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
thank
you
so
much
chairwoman,
members
of
the
board
tim
ritmah
jr
partners
office,
is
located
at
5
12
and
a
half
east
grand
avenue
des
moines
iowa
with
me.
We
have
rachel
harris
with
lt
leon.
She
is
a
landscape
architect,
working
on
this
project
with
us,
as
well
as
jeff
shaffer
with
bnim
architecture.
S
S
The
front
half
will
be
power,
life
yoga
in
the
middle,
there
will
be
a
27,
700
square
foot,
office
user
and
then
the
far
end
or
the
south
will
be
a
3,
000
square,
foot,
restaurant
and
bar
what
we
are
proposing
and
go
ahead
and
flip
if
you
want
to
to
the
site
next
slide.
So
again,
here's
kind
of
the
existing
condition
a
couple
facts
that
I'd
like
to
point
out.
We
feel
we're
meeting
requirements
just
in
kind
of
a
different
way.
So,
currently
a
couple
facts.
S
Currently
there
is
zero
green
space
on
this
site.
We
are
adding
over
2100
square
feet
of
green
space
to
the
site.
When
we
are
done,
the
proposed
opening
site
would
be
increased
by
10
percent,
meaning
the
city's
requirement
as
well
the
setbacks
that
we
are
presenting,
we're
proposing
on
court
avenue
as
seven
and
a
half
feet
and
then
nine
feet
four
inches
along
east.
Fourth,
this
exceeds
the
city's
requirement
of
seven
feet,
so
we
are
adding
a
lot
of
green
space
in
other
spots.
S
Currently
parking
lot,
mature,
canopy
covering
will
increase
from
zero
to
87,
which
exceeds
the
city's
requirement
by
30
percent
trees
on
the
site
will
increase
from
one
tree
to
11.,
seven
of
which
of
these
are
bordering
along
this
east
fourth
street.
So
again,
we
are
kind
of
proposing
we
meet
this
green
space
requirement
in
an
alternative
way.
If
you'd
like
to
flip
to
the
next
slide.
S
S
Would
you
like
to
flip
to
the
next
site?
Slight,
please
so
here's
kind
of
what
we
are
proposing.
So
you
can
see
we
are
adding
extensive
amount
of
green
space.
There
are
only
24
parking
spots
in
this
lot,
so
what
we're
really
trying
to
accomplish
is
not
congesting
the
street.
I
know
we're
talking
one
parking
spot,
but
with
a
a
office
you're,
a
excuse
me,
a
fitness
user
that
has
am
and
pm
classes,
along
with
lunch,
along
with
a
restaurant
that
has
lunch
and
dinner
along
with
an
office
user
and
everything
else.
S
S
So
we
are
requesting
for
your
consideration
to
approve
our
part
b
and
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
additional
questions
you
might
have.
I
think
there
might
be
one
more
slide
as
well:
yeah,
again
we're
trying
to
mirror
image
what
our
neighbors
did
to
the
west.
This
is
kind
of
an
example
we're
working
off
of
and
then
again
here
are
some
facts
that
I
read
off
to
you
earlier
just
so
you
can
see
them
for.
A
M
G
G
S
Alright
great
question
tim
retma
here
with
jr
partners.
Part
of
this
area
is,
is
kind
of
evolving
out
of
the
market
district.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there
will
be
a
future
bike
lane
along
east
court
avenue
east
4th
is
slated
to
be
redeveloped
by
the
city
of
des
moines
by
2025,
so
we're
a
little
limited
on
what
we
can
do
at
this
time.
We
are
working
closely
with
the
market
district
developers,
along
with
the
city
of
des
moines,
but
this
entire
street
along
east
4th
from
east
mlking.
C
A
Thank
you,
tyler.
We're
now
ready
for
item
number
six.
It's
a
request
from
justin
raymond,
the
owner
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
4215,
south
east
17th
street,
to
allow
installation
and
construction
of
a
manufactured
home
and
jason's
presenting
this
item.
J
J
J
J
J
That's
a
b
has
to
do
with
transparency.
There
is
no
windows
proposed
on
the
facade
facing
the
street.
The
principal
entrance
would
face
sideways,
that's
what
c
is
about
d?
Is
waiver
of
a
torch
or
stoop
requirement
for
your
front
entrance
e
is
the
garage
requirement
f
is
to
allow
100
vinyl
as
a
major
material
on
the
front
facade.
You
know
this
has
come
up
before.
J
Vinyl
is
an
okay
material.
The
standards
do
on
require
for
a
house
in
the
front,
the
only
65
percent
of
it
be
covered.
There
are
other
ways
to
get
around
that
which
includes
providing
a
porch
of
a
certain
size.
Another
architectural
detail,
in
this
case
we
weren't
able
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
find
an
alternative
means.
The
proposal
they
left.
The
proposal,
as
as
submitted
g
is
waiver
of
the
street
tree
requirement.
So
no
street
trees
are
proposed.
Two
would
typically
be
required
and
then
h
is
that
sidewalk
requirement.
J
J
J
J
J
J
When
we
evaluate
the
the
garage
requirement,
you
know
we
we
do
look
at
it
to
see
whether
or
not
it
fits
into
the
criteria
of
something
that
we
could
approve
with
a
type
1
design
alternative,
and
just
for
everybody's,
just
refresh
everybody's
memory
that
kicks
in
that
50
threshold.
You
know,
are
we
50
or
more
of
the
properties
in
the
surrounding
250
feet
area?
J
Do
you
know,
do
they
have
a
garage
and
in
this
case
69
do
and
so
that
that's
represented
by
the
green
triangles,
with
the
brad
triangles
being
the
properties
without
a
garage?
So
we
could
not
approve
it
as
a
type
one
just
to
do
a
shed
and
we're
not
going
to
support
waving
it
if
we
can't
do
it
as
a
type
one,
because
we
feel
that
that
criteria
is
there
for
a
reason.
J
J
J
J
U
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
hi?
My
name
is
justin
raymond.
I
live
at
4235,
southeast
17th
street
and
thank
you
for
having
me
so
I'm
requesting
to
type
one
design
for
the
first
three
items
in
the
sixth
item
as
the
best
placement
for
the
house
on
the
irregularly
shaped
lot,
as
others
have
done
in
the
neighborhood
to
put
the
house
with
the
56-foot
side
facing
the
street.
There
would
be
not
enough
room
for
the
requirements
for
both
sides
of
property
line,
the
house,
a
porch
off
the
side
of
the
side
door,
a
sidewalk
with
driveway.
U
This
being
the
case
is
the
reason
I
am
applying
to
put
the
house
with
the
30-foot
side
facing
the
street,
as
others
in
the
neighborhood
have.
The
fourth
alternative
is
to
put
a
put
in
a
put
in
a
walk-in
porch,
as
many
in
the
neighborhood
have.
The
fifth
is
to
waive
the
garage
requirement
for
now.
There
is
in
the
future
where
we
could
put
a
garage
in
the
statement
hold
on.
U
In
the
statement
from
planning
zoning
staff,
the
house
to
the
west
and
the
houses
directly
across
the
street
have
a
garage
meeting
or
exceeding
the
minimum
or
code
requirement
as
the
west
is
across
the
street.
I
am
not
sure
what
is
being
referred,
but
the
house
to
the
left,
if
facing
the
street,
is
situated
on
the
property
in
the
same
manner
as
the
request.
U
The
primary
door
faces
the
south
and
there
is
no
door
on
the
street
facing
side.
There
is
no
garage.
There
is
a
structure
considered
as
a
storage
area
or
shed.
It
cannot
fit
a
car.
The
house
on
the
other
side
of
the
of
that
has
two
garages
one
in
front
of
the
other
and
directly
on
the
other
side
are
two
sets
of
four
residential
family
duplexes.
U
U
The
last
required
requirement
is
regarding
the
sidewalk
the
statement
from
the
planning
and
zoning
staff
report.
The
grade
contours
along
wage
street
would
allow
for
a
sidewalk
to
be
constructed
in
this
area.
There
is
no
wage
street
in
this
area.
Southeast
17th
street
runs
north
south,
which
is
a
part
of
the
circle
neighborhood.
It
runs
from
leech
east
to
west
to
emma
east
to
west
or
yeah
east
to
west.
The
street
does
not
lead
directly
to
indiana
avenue.
U
A
turn
has
to
be
made
off
of
leech
onto
southeast
16th
court
or
turn
onto
emma
turn
again
on
southeast
17th
court
to
get
to
southeast
17th
street
to
indianola
there
are
no
curves
or
gutters
on
any
of
the
streets
in
the
circle
of
neighborhood.
There
is
not
one
property
with
a
sidewalk
in
the
matter
of
whether
this
is
negatively
affect
the
neighborhood,
as
it
is
an
improvement
from
the
existing.
I
would
say
exactly
opposite.
U
J
V
V
W
Yes,
my
name
is
susan
neil,
I
do
live
at
41.75,
southeast
17th
street.
My
whole
concern
is
I
I
I'm
supporting
this
100.
I
have
lived
in
this
area.
My
whole
life
I
was
born
in
this
area.
It
has
become
an
old
neighborhood.
Lately
it
is
beginning
to
be
rejuvenated.
We're
getting
young
people
like
the
applicant
they're,
going
to
have
families
they're
going
to
support
our
school
they're,
going
to
taxes
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
out
here,
almost
every
very,
very,
very
regularly
we
have
culverts,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
sidewalks.
W
Sidewalks
are
just
not
a
viable
option
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
fact
that
we
need
to
support
young
people
in
homeownership
and
make
it
affordable,
especially
when
they're
only
trying
to
make
the
neighborhood
better
it's.
This
neighborhood
has
improved
vastly
and
the
requirements
that
you're
making
haven't
been
on
the
new
houses
that
have
been
built
within
the
last
10
years.
It's
all
of
a
sudden,
now
you're
wanting
more
and
more
and
more
and
you're
just
out
pricing.
The
neighborhood
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
new
applicants.
A
A
A
F
F
F
F
I
U
U
X
This
is
kayla
bergson,
I
wonder
if
there
I
don't
know,
if
there's
any
opportunity
to
negotiate
with
the
modular
home
supplier
on
adding
an
additional
window
to
the
bedroom
that
faces
the
street
and
maybe
a
window
to
the
utility
washer
dryer
room,
I
think,
is
what
I'm
seeing
there.
That
would
at
least
start
to
kind
of
get
you
closer
to
meeting
some
of
those
transparency
requirements.
Do
you
know
if
there's
any
flexibility
yeah
on
the
windows.
U
A
G
Or
thoughts
well,
I'm
sure
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
This
is
you
know,
thinking
about
alternatives.
If
this
currently
were
to
flip,
where
the
56
56
feet
are
facing
the
street,
would
that
meet
setbacks
and
some
of
the
requirements
or
is
that
is
that
even
an
option
that
the
applicant
has
considered.
J
Yeah
a
great
question
johnny,
it
would
be
tight.
I
might
have
to
just
double
check
really
quick.
I
do
believe
we'd
have
some
space
left
over
for
a
driveway.
I
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head.
If
we
would,
I
have
to
offer
any
sort
of
relief
to
setbacks.
I
want
to
double
check
that
before
committee
in
one
way
or
the
other
was
there
another
part
anything
else
to
your
question.
G
J
J
N
J
I
Madam
chair,
this
is
will
page
sorry
for
interrupting
the
discussion,
but
there
seem
to
be
quite
a
few
different
issues
involved
in
this
and
perhaps
they
can
be
resolved
and
perhaps
they
cannot
be
resolved.
But
at
this
point
of
time
does
it
make
sense
to
continue
this
item
to
another
meeting
when
we
could
have
something
worked
out
between
the
applicant
and
the
staff?
That's
a
little
bit
firmer
than
what
we're
seeing
right
now.
U
Can
I
think,
real
quick,
yes,
go
ahead,
we've
been
going
through
this
process
for
a
very
long
time
just
to
get
on
this
meeting,
so
I
would
really
not
like
to
postpone
it
to
another.
I
got
financing.
I
just
finished
my
loan.
I
gotta
get
my
process
started
somehow
and
just
putting
it
back
another
week
is
just
gonna
blame
you
for
getting
it
done.
J
If
I
could
chair
this
is
jason
van
staff,
just
quick
math,
that's
75
feet
of
width
across
and
then
56
feet
for
the
building,
so
that
that
leaves
you
19
feet,
divide
that
on
the
two
you
know
you
could
do
five
feet
on
one
side
with
the
type
one
at
least
14
on
the
other
side,
for
you
know
a
driveway
and
steps,
and
that
could
get
a
little
tight.
We
could
adjust
that
a
little
bit
maybe
do
four
and
whatnot
I.
J
I
will
say
that
you
know
we
have
I've
consulted
with
staff
that
has
worked
with
justin.
I
I've
become
involved
more
at
the
the
talent
here
and
I
do
believe.
We've
we've
tried
to
offer
some
suggestions
and
and
ultimately
justin
wanted
to
move
forward
with
his
proposal
and
bring
that
to
your
to
to
you.
So
I
want
the
commission
to
know
the
staff
is
willing
to
continue
to
work
with
him
we're
happy
to
if
you
can
give
us
a
little
direction
on
what
you're
thinking
we
can
do
that.
I
also
respect
that.
A
J
Sure
you
could,
depending
on
I
don't
have
the
exact
dimensions,
but
street
trees
would
generally
be
in
the
right
of
way.
So
one
or
two
you
know
we,
you
know
it
could
be.
If,
if
we'd
been
able
to
continue
discussions
with
the
applicant,
you
know
we
might
have
been
able
to
find
you
know
room
to
approve
the
lowering
it
down
to
one
tree.
J
I
do
see
perhaps
an
obstacle
here,
but
at
this
point
we've
been
advised
that
he'd,
like
both
of
them
waived,
and
so
there
really
hasn't,
been
an
opportunity
to
fine-tune
anything.
But
I
do
think
there's
probably
space
you.
Maybe
one
of
the
trees
is
closer
to
the
property
line
and
one's
closer
to
the,
whether
it's
this
property
line
or
that
property
line,
and
then
one
perhaps
in
this
area.
U
A
U
U
J
J
F
Dory
this
is
greg
jones.
I
don't
know
if
we're
at
an
impasse,
but
in
the
middle
of
the
meeting
it
seems
like
it's
difficult
to
negotiate
all
this
stuff.
I
don't
know
if
he
wants
a
motion,
because
if
I
make
a
motion,
it's
going
to
be
for
denial
of
most
of
the
things
so
jason.
If
that's
the
case,
then
what
happens
to
justin's
request.
J
D
J
Well,
I
would
I,
I
think,
from
actually
finding
the
solution.
I
would
recommend
you
continue
it,
but
I
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
applicant.
If
that's,
if
that
time,
you
need,
if
it's
more
important,
if
the
timing
is
more
important
than
ensuring
approval,
that's
you
know
his
his
choice.
I
can't
make
that
for
him.
U
J
But
my
expectation
to
be
that
the
commission,
you
know
if
we,
if
they're,
going
to
continue
it
if
they
continue
it's
to
a
specific
meeting,
so
the
next
meeting
would
be
on
the
18th
it
it's
probably
challenging
to
meet
next.
You
know
we'd
have
to
meet
early
in
the
in
the
week
monday
or
tuesday
to
be
able
to
have
some
changes.
I
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
we
wouldn't,
even
if
we
all,
were
100
on
the
same
page.
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
have.
F
F
I'm
expecting
that
the
building
be
oriented
to
the
front,
and
so
my
motion
would
be
to
allow
the
denial
of
a
but
b
c
d
e
f
would
be
denial
still,
and
then
we
could
allow
one
tree
for
g
and
and
wave
the
sidewalk.
That's
what
I'd
be
expecting,
but
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
tell
him
that
unless
we
have
some
kind
of
vote.
D
D
F
C
A
Y
Y
Y
The
property
is
located
at
5719
hardwood
drive
in
the
waterbury
neighborhood.
It
is
located
along
the
north
side
of
harbour
drive.
You
have
56th
street
to
the
east
and
highway
235
to
the
north.
To
give
you
a
little
more
context
of
the
site,
it's
not
very
visible
in
this
particular
location,
but
we
as
we
go
down
through
the
presentation
you'll
be
able
to
see
there's
a
existing
public
sidewalk
along
the
south
side
of
harvard
drive,
but
there
is
no
sidewalk
along
the
north.
Y
Y
Y
This
is
another
image
of
hardwood
drive
looking
west.
The
subject
site
is,
if
it's
visible,
there's
a
car
parked
right
here.
The
subject
site
is
right
on
the
right
hand,
side
again,
there's
a
sidewalk
all
along
the
south
side
of
harvard
this
final
image
is
just
a
close
up
of
the
site
with
the
existing
building
and
gives
an
idea
of
where
the
proposed
sidewalk
or
the
required
sidewalk
would
need
to
go.
Y
Y
This
is
an
applicant's,
the
applicant's
letter
making
a
case
for
their
request,
which,
basically
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
it,
but
it's
a
two-page
letter.
It
basically
states
the
justification
for
requ
for
asking
for
the
relief
and
the
applicant
is
on
the
meeting,
so
I'm
sure
they'll
make
the
case
for
it.
But
to
give
you
briefly,
they
mentioned
the
absence
of
a
sidewalk
along
hardwood
drive
and
that
it
would
not
create
an
interconnected
system
even
if
they
did
provide
a
portion
along
the
subject
site.
Y
Y
We
did
receive
a
few.
The
applicant
forwarded
a
few
emails
from
neighbors.
They
came
in
a
little
late
in
the
day,
so
they
don't
show
up
on
the
consent
map
that
will
follow,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick
wish.
Well,
we've
received
three
emails
from
neighbors.
All
three.
All
three
neighbors
are
in
support
of
the
applicant's
request
for
the
weber.
Y
You've
had
the
chance
to
look
at
the
staff
report,
staff
analyzed
the
proposed
edition
and
the
requested
relief
against
the
requirements
of
the
zoning
code
and
how
it
fits
in
with
the
type
2
design
alternative
requirements,
as
has
been
discussed
in
some
of
the
past
cases.
Similar
cases,
one
of
the
main
driving
factors
for
the
city
for
the
staff's
analysis
and
recommendation,
is
that
sidewalk
closing
sidewalk
gaps
and
creating
the
interconnected
pedestrian
system
is
a
priority
for
the
city's
transportation
plan.
Y
Y
Z
J
AA
Sorry,
it's
still
coming
up
on
my
screen
saying
to
a
mute.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
time
this
evening.
When
I
first
bought
this
house
in
2013,
it
was
me
myself
since
then.
I
have
adopted
two
children
through
the
state
of
iowa
and
they
are.
They
are
with
me
forever.
So
I
functionally
have
a
two-bedroom
home
and
I
would
like
to
stay
in
my
home
here
in
des
moines.
AA
I
also
own
a
small
business
that
is
just
on
the
north
side
of
the
interstate
from
here
and
own,
a
building
there
as
well,
and
so
I'd
like
to
stay
local
to
that
as
a
single
mom
as
well.
So
I
know
I've
got
some
neighbors
on
as
well
that
can
kind
of
attest
to.
We
have
no
sidewalks
on
our
side,
there's
also,
if
you
go
north
one
street
to
pleasant,
there's
newer
construction
as
well,
there
that
also
doesn't
have
sidewalks.
If
you
go
down
to
ronwood
ronwood
has
no
sidewalks.
AA
If
you
go
to
56th
street
the
east
side
of
it
between
the
interstate
and
woodlawn
or
harwood,
going,
the
other
direction
has
no
sidewalks,
and
so
it
again
also
in
that
letter
we
talk
about
the
cost,
because
I
have
a
long
road
area
as
well.
It
would
be
a
huge
sidewalk
that
goes
nowhere,
so
we
would
love
sorry,
we
would
love
it.
AA
A
AB
AB
It
would
look
really
funky
on
such
a
beautiful
street
in
such
a
wonderful
neighborhood
to
have
you
know,
75
to
100
feet
of
sidewalk
that
won't
be
used
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
I'd
be
willing
to
wager
a
bet
that
you'll
replace
that
sidewalk
before
we
ever
have
a
functioning
sidewalk
on
the
on
the
north
side.
So
I
would
really
hope
that
you
folks
could
see
things
the
way
that
they
are
and
that
we're
doing
just
fine
here
on
hardwood
drive
with
the
sidewalk
that
we
have.
AB
AC
AD
AC
Their
recommendations,
but
I
would
oppose
their
recommendation
at
this
point
just
to
give
you
a
bit
of
a
perspective
hardwood
drive
at
this
point
from
the
56th
street
west
to
the
bottom
of
the
street,
where
it's
cummings
parkway.
There
are
13
homes,
there's
approximately
1
123
linear
feet,
and
that
represents
almost
a
quarter
mile
on
that
on
that
north
side
of
the
street,
there
is
not
a
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
the
street.
AC
Laura
maintains
an
extremely
nice
home.
It's
a
cape
cod.
She
would
agree.
I
think
most
of
us
would
agree
that
she
needed
to
replace
her
garage,
and
I
am
extremely
glad
that
she
has
chosen
to
do
that.
I'm
very
glad
that
as
a
single
mother
and
having
adopted
two
children
that
she
is
also
looking
to
expand
her
house,
that's
going
to
help
our
entire
neighborhood.
AC
Laura
maintains
the
house
very
nicely
and
we're
very
pleased
that
she's
improving
the
neighborhood
and
improving
her
house
and
it's
going
to
add
value
to
all
of
us
and
if
you
will
to
be
very
practical,
add
additional
property
tax
revenue
to
the
city
of
des
moines.
I
certainly
understand
the
sidewalk
gap
ordinance
that
the
city
has
passed
and
if
we
had
12
houses
that
had
sidewalks
in
front
of
them
and
one
house
that
did
not,
I
would
be
all
in
favor
of
forcing
that
property
owner
to
put
a
sidewalk
in.
AC
But
in
this
case
we
have
13
houses,
1100
feet
that
have
no
sidewalks,
and
I
I
think
it
just
seems
a
little
ridiculous
that
we
would
ask
laura
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
front
of
her
house.
So
I'm
asking
that
you
as
commissioners
apply
the
same
logic
and
basically
approve
the
waiver
that
she's
requesting
and
I
hate
to
say,
go
against
the
staff
recommendation,
but
I
do
have
to
think
that
this
would
be
a
a
good
vote
in
your
favor
and
as
a
as
a
property
owner
and
living
on
this
street
for
41
years.
AC
AC
AE
AE
I've
been
doing
this
as
18,
I'm
35,
so
17
years,
this
process
has
been
pretty
tough
with
the
new
building
code
and
you
know
the
amount
of
things
we
had
to
do,
but
it
is
a
big
project
and
I
can
respect
and
appreciate
that
we
had
to
make
sure
we
got
it
right
and
I
really
feel
like
we
did.
This
is
kind
of
the
last
piece
we
are
making
substantial
improvement
to
the
property
and
it
will
raise
the
property
values
around
it,
as
he
mentioned.
AE
However,
adding
a
sidewalk
when
no
others
exist
on
the
north
side
of
hardwood
is
very
perplexing.
To
me,
also,
a
vast
majority
of
properties
in
the
surrounding
area
have
no
sidewalks
on
either
side
of
the
road.
Moreover,
there
are
multiple
new
construction
houses
straight
north
on
pleasant
street
that
have
no
sidewalks
as
well.
AE
AE
Z
Z
I
do
want
to
also
compliments
the
the
laura
and
and
her
contractor.
I
appreciated
the
fact
that
the
the
new
garage
followed
the
characters
of
the
other
neighbors
houses
by
not
not
protruding
beyond
the
main
house
and
looks
like
from
the
drawing
is
set
back
and,
and
that's
not
a
you
know,
a
typical
way
of
how
how
houses
are
built
nowadays,
and
so
I
I
really
appreciated
that
point.
So.
AF
Hi
hi:
this
is
kimberly
kacho.
Can
you
hear
me
yes
perfect?
So
I
am.
I
live
across
the
street
from
laura
and
I
also
support
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk.
I
just
think
aesthetically.
It
would
not
look
appealing
and
I
think
all
of
my
fabulous
neighbors
have
done
a
great
job
and
articulating
why
that
is
so.
Another
support,
laura.
AG
Go
okay,
that's
done.
My
name
is
marilyn
carroll
and
I
live
right
next
door
to
laura
at
57
25,
and
I
would
like
to
join
the
list
of
my
neighbors
who
are
in
support
of
the
waiver
for
this
sidewalk
it
would.
It
would
really
look
pretty
ridiculous
just
to
have
the
one
stretch
of
sidewalk
and
the
whole
rest
of
the
north
side
of
the
street
having
none
so
again,
I'm
in
support
with
the
rest
of
the
neighbors
of
granting
the
variance.
Thank
you
thank.
A
J
J
Z
Go
ahead,
this
is
chung
chan
with
at
5825
hardwood.
I
don't
know
the
exact
regional
date,
but
I
was
part
of
the
waterbury
neighborhood
revitalization
committee
back
in
2006
2007,
and
I
do
know
that
the
the
one
part
of
the
funding
went
to
replacement
of
sidewalk
that
that
went
into
some
of
it.
I
think
benefited
my
neighbors
along
the
street.
D
B
AH
AH
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
kyle
larson
member
of
city
planning
staff
I'll
be
presenting
the
last
time
on
the
this
evening's
agenda,
comes
from
madden
construction,
they're
seeking
two
type,
two
design
alternatives
as
they
prepare
to
construct
a
single
family
dwelling
at
11
20.
A
weed
item
a
is
to
waive
the
garage
requirement
that
comes
with
the
type
c
house.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
As
with
all
the
items,
you're
provided
staff
report
and
recommendation
that
provides
some
background
and
staff
rationale
on
our
staff
recommendation
cites
the
appropriate
code
sections
in
closing
here.
Our
staff
recommendation
in
part
a
is
to
recommend
denial
of
waiver
of
the
garage
requirement
and
part
c
to
recommend
denial
of
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk
requirement.
AI
AI
This
was
kind
of
unique,
with
the
shed
being
on
the
property.
Already
we
figured,
we
would
leave
that
and
redo
the
sighting
make
sure
it's
structurally
sound,
put
a
new
service
door
on
there.
Just
spruce
it
up.
It
is
larger
than
the
required
size
of
shed.
If
you
were
to
waive
the
garage
requirement.
AI
AI
Functionally
you'd
have
to,
unfortunately,
build
a
retaining
wall
which,
with
a
five
foot
sidewalk
spanning
55
or
65
feet
and
a
retaining
wall,
you're
gonna
stack
another
three
thousand
dollars
on
top
of
the
already
high
price
of
this
house
from
the
neighborhood,
so
we
felt
like
it
was
adequate
to
to
request
the
waiver
of
that.
So
I
guess,
if
there
are
any
questions,
I'm
hoping
to
hear
that.
AD
This
is
francis
bogger
speaking.
I
think
that
I
would
grant
the
wave
from
both
conditions
one
because
of
the
lack
of
sidewalks
in
the
general
neighborhood.
So
there's
no
point
in
putting
in
one
when
having
dozens
of
not
having
sidewalks
and
with
the
basement.
I
would
grant
the
waiver
regarding
the
garage,
since
I
think
fat
and
the
would
alleviate
the
need
for
a
garage.
It
keeps
the
cost
down
and
have
affordable
housing.
So
my
motion,
except
to
the
waiver
on
both
a
and
b.