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From YouTube: 11-18-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Nov. 18, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Generally,
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council,
the
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
flats.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
A
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
now
I'll
go
through
the
consent,
public
hearing
items,
I'll
read
each
one
individually
and
then
I'll
ask
if
there's
anyone
who
wants
to
have
it
pulled
from
the
agenda
and
discussed
here
this
evening.
If
we
don't
pull
it
and
the
commissioners
agree,
it's
just
automatically
approved
and
we
move
on
to
the
next
item.
A
C
A
Anyone
on
the
commission,
okay,
that
item
will
remain
on
consent
and
item
number
four
is
a
request
from
ard
properties
for
review
and
approval
of
a
major
preliminary
plat
bauer
heights
platform
for
property
in
the
vicinity
of
5591
northeast
36th
court
in
delaware,
township
within
the
two
mile
distance
for
extra
territorial
review
of
subdivision
plats
by
the
city
of
des
moines,
to
allow
subdivision
of
the
existing
property
to
create
two
residential
lots
and
one
outlet
is
there.
Anyone
here
who
wishes
to
have
this
item
pulled
from
consent
and
heard.
A
A
C
And
if
I
could
chair
and
commissioners
before,
I
turn
it
over
for
the
presentation,
I
I
think
that
we'll
probably
be
pretty
brief
on
these
on
items
one
and
two,
and
that
way
we
can
get
to
that
the
audience
members
questions
there's
been
a
lot
of
work.
A
lot
of
folks
here,
they're
here
for
these
two
items
so
we'll
just
be
on
point:
okay,.
D
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
sryoshi
chakravarthi
planning
staff
with
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
item
before
you
is
a
city
initiated
so
rezoning
for
an
area
generally
located
along
east
21st
street
and
tichenor
street
between
guthrie
avenue
to
the
north
and
interstate
235
to
the
south.
D
The
subject
area
is
currently
zoned
I-1
industrial
district,
which
does
not
allow
for
new
residential
uses.
The
area
primarily
contains
one
household
residential
uses
that
are
considered
to
be
legal
non-confirming
use
within
the
i1
district.
The
city
is
proposing
to
rezone
this
area,
to
n3
neighborhood
district,
to
better
accommodate
the
existing
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
here's
a
map
showing
the
adjacent
land
use
and
zoning.
D
As
you
can
see
to
the
north.
It's
the
users
include
commercial
and
industrial
businesses
to
the
south.
It's
b1
and
includes
cemetery
and
interstate
235
right
away
to
the
east
is
p2.
I1
n3a
users
include
public
industrial
and
one
household
residential
uses,
east
of
interstate
235
and
to
the
west.
It's
i1
users
include
industrial
businesses
along
delaware
avenue.
D
So
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
request
to
rezone
the
property
from
i1
industrial
district
to
n3a
neighborhood
district
to
better
accommodate
the
existing
residential
character
of
of
the
of
the
area
and
staff
conducted
neighborhood
outreach
with
this
proposal
as
well,
which
was
well
attended.
We've
received
several
common
cards
that
you
can
see
up
here.
Most
of
them
about
15.
Most
of
them
were
in,
I
believe,
there's
a
couple
that
were
not
in
support,
but
most
of
the
responses
that
we
got
were
in
favor
of
this
with
that.
D
As
you
can
see
right
here,
the
the
point
that
they're
making
here
is
that
this
area
is
largely
industrial
in
nature,
and
that
was
kind
of
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
land
use
plan
determined
that
this
area
should
largely
be
residential.
The
surrounding
users
are,
and
so
they're
saying
that
it
should
be
kept
industrial,
because
the
the
land
use
is.
C
And
I
think,
if
you
go
to
the
response
map,
that's
probably
slide,
maybe
16
or
15.
yeah
there
we
go
15.
yep.
I
think
this
is
probably
pretty
you
know
telling
of
the
responses,
so
those
that
were
in
in
the
area
to
be
resilient
were
favorable
and
the
one
that
we
did
get
concerned
from
was
up
there
in
that
corner,
which
is
a
and
you
know
not
subject
to
rezoning,
but
it's
an
industrial
commercial
property
that
abuts
the
residential.
C
E
C
That's
correct:
there's
this
area,
the
the
area
within
that
orange
boundary
is
all
single
family
houses
with
with
some
vacant
lots
scattered
in
there.
We've
had
how
this
started.
We
actually,
the
commission
saw
a
rezoning
request
several
months
ago
for
up
there
at
the
north
end
where
somebody
wanted
to
build
a
garage
after
storm
damage,
and
so
that
kind
of
was
a
starting
point
of
reevaluating.
This
whole
area
we're
not
I'm
not
aware
of
any.
C
C
E
So
if
some,
if
someone
was
running
like
a
home
brew
operation
that
we
don't
know
about-
and
they
came
to
us
later
and
said-
oh
man
I
was
in
here-
I
was
operating
correctly
and
I
got
rezoned
differently.
How
would
we
treat
that?
Would
we
allow
that
use
to
exist?
I'm
not
saying
it's
there,
I'm
just
curious
what
the
procedure
would
be
yeah
if
we
got
it
wrong.
We
didn't
see
something
was
that.
C
No
that's
a
great
question:
if,
if
by
chance,
there
happened
to
be
a
commercial
use
somewhere
in
there
and
we
determined
down
the
road
that
they've
been
established
legally,
they
would
have
legal
non-conforming
rights
to
continue
to
operate.
If
they
wanted
to
expand,
you
know
or
make
improvements,
they
would
need
to
seek
a
rezoning
to
be
able
to
expand
that
non-conforming
use.
C
A
H
H
H
H
H
H
I'm
asking
it
tonight
to
please
vote
to
get
this
back
to
the
residential,
so
these,
so
these
families
can
enjoy
life
again,
I
mean
ever
since
we
found
out
about
this.
I
I
have
a
lot
of
calls.
I
try
to
calm
them
down,
you
know
things
are
gonna.
Things
are
gonna
work
out,
I
I'm
pretty
sure
and-
and
one
other
thing
is
when
I
came
in
here,
I
was
talking
to
jason
and
so
forth.
Not
all
the
residents
got
a
card
we
were
out.
H
Well,
I
should
say
some
of
the
residents
were
out
handing
out
flyers,
telling
people
about
this
meeting,
sending
the
cards
and
so
forth,
and
a
lot
of
them
said
we
don't.
We
didn't
receive
a
card
and
asked
if
we
had
a
card
that
we
could
give
them
to
send
in
so
you
know
it
might
have
been
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
than
15,
for
so
the
people
I've
talked
to
there.
Wasn't
anybody
opposed
to
to
re?
Excuse
me
the
rezoning
of
that
of
that
property.
H
I
I
I
have
lived
there
for
30
years
and
I
have
watched
our
street
improve
over
this
time.
It
was
very
upsetting
to
hear
that
we
had
been
changed
to
industrial,
which
would
not
allow
us
to
improve
our
homes,
rebuild
anything
on
that
property
or
even
build
new
items
like
garages
or
anything
that
we
needed
to
do
also
hearing
that
banks
would
not
loan
money
for
anyone
that
wanted
to
sell
their
homes
as
well.
I
A
A
C
The
commission
not
too
long
ago,
saw
a
rezoning
request
on
buchanan,
and
so
we
supported
that
to
allow
a
new
house
to
be
built,
so
this
proposal
would
rezone
this
area
to,
I
believe,
was
nx1
with
that.
I
I
would
if
the
commission
has
questions
for
staff,
we're
happy
to
answer
them.
Otherwise
we
could
open
it
to
public
comment.
J
K
C
There
we
are
just
proposing
to
change
the
zoning
to
a
district
that
allows
residential
uses
to
to
be
developed
or
expanded
by
right
without
having
to
re-zone.
So
there's
no
there's
no
property
acquisition.
There's
no
any
plans
for
redevelopment
it
really
it's
right.
Now
their
houses
and
uses
are
what
we
call
legal
non-conforming
means
they
can
exist,
but
they
can't
really
there's
limitations
on
how
they
can
expand.
This
rezoning
would
allow
them
would
get
rid
of
those
limitations
that
would
be
an
elite,
an
allowed
right
or
used
by
right.
K
C
You
know
there
if
you
see
along,
you
can
see
that
we
left
the
more
commercial
type
zoning
along
university,
but
so
that
area
within
the
focused
area.
If
somebody
wanted
to
do
a
business
there,
they
would
have
to
seek
a
rezoning.
They
could
do
a
home
occupation
where
it's
secondary
to
your
house
and
there's
a
conditional
use
process
that
exists
for
certain
types
of
uses
in
a
residential
district,
but
certainly
just.
K
C
A
property
owner
I
mean
that's,
I'm
thinking
more,
like
a
traditional
commercial
development
and
uses.
I
mean
you,
there's
certain.
You
know
a
lot
of
things
you
can
do
as
a
home
occupation.
There's
a
lot
of
gardening
that
you
can
do
in
community
gardens
that
you
can
do
ex
the
current
zoning
district.
That's
there
today
doesn't
isn't
granting
any
more
rights
that
are
specific
to
those
types
of
uses
than
the
neighborhood
use.
K
C
Well,
there's
uses
they're
allowed
as
home
occupations
that
you
can
do
in
a
residential
setting
you
still,
the
the
the
property
still
has
to
be
primarily
used
as
somebody's
personal
residence,
but
you
know
you
can
do
you
know
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
great
exam.
You
know
like
it's,
you
know.
Traditionally,
maybe
you
know
if
you
have
like
a
home
office,
if
you're
you
know
an
accountant
or
something
on
those
lines
or
other
kind
of
small
scale,
maybe
hair
barber
shop
kind
of
you
know
thing
where
it's
really
still
a
house.
C
C
C
K
C
E
Do
want
to
raise
one
thing,
since
this
is
one
thing
that
I
guess
I
I've
talked
to
staff
about
a
little
bit.
I
think
there
is
the
issue
of
distributed
farming
and
neighborhood
farming.
I
this
this
does
raise
an
interesting
point
here
which
isn't
exactly
you
know
on
this,
but
I'm
hoping
we
can
discuss
the
ability
to
do
urban
farming
in
distributed
manner
like,
for
example,
134
372
does
not
provide
the
type
of
commercial
urban
distributed
agriculture
that
could
be
useful,
especially
in
these
types
of
neighborhoods
or
others
throughout
our
entire
city.
E
I
don't
know,
I
know
it
isn't
a
part
of
this,
but
I'm
hoping
we
can
either
put
on
a
discussion
or
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
get
started
on,
because
obviously
134
371
now
that
we've
actually
had
the
food
security
task
force
is
over
and
the
recommendations
have
come
back.
Obviously,
there's
been
some
recommended
changes.
134
371
373
seems
to
be
not
touched,
but
372
has
a
major
major
gap
in
our
opportunity
to
actually
do
the
type
of
verb
of
farming.
That
would
be
useful
here
and
in
other
neighborhoods
are
similar.
C
The
yeah
the
task
force
report
just
came
out.
It
does
have
some
things
in
it.
We
haven't.
You
know
we're
gonna,
that's
an
item.
That's
on
our
list
of
things
that
we're
working
on.
As
far
as
code
amendments,
I
don't
have
a
timeline.
Yet
I
want
to
sit
down
with
jeremy,
the
staff
person
that
led
that
and
try
to
understand
kind
of
his
thoughts
on
it
and
how
we
might
structure
stuff.
But
it's
certainly
something
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
C
Yes,
I
mean
it
certainly
could
be
discussed
that
that
way,
but
it
may
also
be
something
where
we
our
first
lack
at
it
is
a
council
workshop
to
get
some
general
guidance
from
them
and
direct.
You
know
some
general
direction
and
then
we
might
come
with
some
thoughts
for
you
guys.
I
don't
know
I
mean
the
report
just
came
out,
so
I
haven't
fully
laid
out
a
process
yet
for
it.
E
A
B
A
D
It's
okay
sriracha
chocolate
with
the
city
of
des
moines.
So
the
item
before
you
is
a
review
and
approval
of
a
preliminary
plat
to
allow
subdivision
of
an
existing
property
to
create
two
residential
lots
and
an
outlaw
the
property
is
actually
in
delaware,
township
in
unincorporated,
polk
county.
The
reason
the
city
is
reviewing
this
is
because
it
is
within
the
two
mile,
a
radius
for
extra
territorial
review
of
subdivision
plats.
D
The
the
developer
is
seeking
to
subdivide
the
property
into
two
parcels
for
residential
development
and
two
outlet
in
the
in
the
unincorporated
polk
county
area.
So
the
subject
property
here
contains
a
mix
of
open
space,
forested
areas,
water
features
a
pond
and
a
wetland
area.
A
portion
of
the
property
is
also
designated
as
part
of
a
of
the
100-year
flood
plain.
The
site
is
about
13.4
acres
and
generally,
the
adjacent
land
use
and
zoning
is
low
density
and
medium
density,
residential.
D
D
Plot
maps
here
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
any
of
this,
unless
you
have
any
any
specific
questions
but
I'll
just
go
through
the
the
recommendations,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
requested
preliminary
plat
subject
to
a
few
conditions.
The
first
condition
is
compliance
with
all
comments
of
the
administrative
review
by
the
permit
and
development
center
provision
of
a
note
on
the
plat
document
that
all
future
development
is
subject
to
article
7,
which
includes
topics
such
as
natural
resource
protection,
flood
plains,
woodlands
and
wetlands
of
the
polk
county
zoning
code.
D
D
So
with
that,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
will
be
happy
to
take
them
at
this
time.
We
did
receive
some
concerns.
We
got
an
email
in
opposition
to
this
this
particular
proposal.
We
also
received
a
couple
phone
calls
from
adjacent
neighbors
that
expressed
some
concerns
with
drainage
and
floodplain
issues.
D
D
Mostly
the
concern
here
is,
as
you
know,
the
they're.
A
portion
of
the
the
property
is
within
the
hundred
year,
flood
plain,
and
so
if
there
is
any
construction,
then
if
that
could
create
grading
issues,
the
adjacent
property
owners
might
be
impacted,
so
they
were
concerned
about
that,
and
that
was
mostly
what
they
they
were.
They
were
concerned
about,
which
is
why
we
had
our
engineering
staff.
Take
a
deeper
look
at
it
to
make
sure
that
that
was.
That
was
all
okay.
C
Yeah,
I
I
believe
so,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
to
just
remind
everybody
is
that
this
is
this.
Plat
is
really
under
the
purview
of
polk
county
and
there
are
their
zoning
that
by
state
code
we
do
have
the
opportunity,
as
the
nearest
their
closest
city,
to
look
at
it
to
make
sure
that
from
a
layout
standpoint
and
planning
perspective,
it's
not
doing
anything
that
would
impede
us
from
future
growth.
We
don't
believe
that
that's
true,
so
you
know
we're
supportive
of
the
request
so
long
as
they
meet
polk
county's
requirements.
A
M
Good
evening,
commission
jason
ledin
with
snyder
associates
our
business
address
is
2727
southwest
snyder
boulevard
in
ankeny
here,
on
behalf
of
russ
downing,
the
developer
of
the
property
to
help
address
those
concerns.
The
reasons
for
the
out
lots
on
this
parcel
is
to
outlaw
the
100-year
floodplain
so
that
no
development
can
happen
within
that
floodplain
also
as
part
of
polk
county's
ordinance.
We
are
required
to
show
that
there
is
no
fill
going
in
that
hundred-year
flood
plain,
so
we
have
complied
with
that
with
polk
county
as
well.
A
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
that
motion.
It
passes
we're
now
ready
for
item
number
five,
which
is
a
request
from
cfd
properties
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
at
2300
east
14th
street,
and
includes
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan,
dsm
and
b,
to
amend
plan
dsm
to
revise
the
future
land
use
designation
from
neighborhood
mixed
use
and
low
medium
density,
residential
to
industrial
and
c
rezone.
The
property
from
mx1
use,
mixed-use
district
to
I-1
industrial
district
to
allow
a
use
that
includes
outdoor
storage
and
frank's
presenting.
O
O
What
you'll
find
to
the
north
of
the
property
is
residential.
Along
with
residential
to
the
east
directly
to
the
south,
you
will
find
a
mx1
zone
property
that
is
a
car
lot
and
then
that
is
to
the
south
and
sorry
previously,
I
said
to
the
east
for
the
residential,
actually
that's
to
the
west
and
into
the
east.
It's
a
clinic
currently
today
what
we
have
I'll
I'll
show
a
few
photos,
here's
the
site
as
it
exists
today.
O
Their
intention
is
to
maintain
the
laundry
bubbles
that
exists
within
a
majority
of
the
building,
and
their
hope
is
that
by
rezoning
that
they
could
repurpose
this
exterior
area
where
they
would
have
as
an
outdoor
storage
area
in
this
tenant
bay.
Here
they
look
to
to
put
an
office
which
is
a
use
that
could
be
palatable
today.
O
O
The
rezoning
would
would
go
from
mx1
to
i1
i1
as
a
zoning
district.
That
typically
would
allow
outdoor
storage
and
it's
typical
for
general
industrial
uses,
warehousing
transportation
terminals
and
the
like
staff
believes
that
the
industrial
development
should
be
focused
in
areas
of
the
city
that
are
already
designated
for
such
uses.
O
A
P
Thank
you
to
the
commission
for
the
opportunity
to
make
this
request.
Just
to
echo
some
of
frank's
comments
is
the
spirit
of
the
usage
is
quite
minimal,
where
the
property
itself
is
just
shy
of
an
acre.
The
the
area
that
we
would
intend
to
use
would
is
roughly
about
a
thousand
square
feet.
We
would
like
to
install
a
privacy
fence
around
the
commercial
equipment
that
would
be
parked
there
from
a
neighborhood
watch
perspective.
There
were
some
folks
that
did
participate.
P
I
requested
some
feedback.
The
feedback
was
that
they
would
like
a
business
to
go
in
there.
That
would
improve
the
area.
My
response
to
that
was
well
we're
a
home
improvement
company.
What
better
to
put
a
home
improvement
company
just
in
the
center
of
this,
this
part
of
the
area,
so
we
can
bring
up
the
value
of
all
the
properties.
P
Nonetheless,
I
think
I
just
like
to
to
echo
the
minimal
usage
of
the
space
and
the
amount
of
visibility
will
be
quite
minimal
due
to
the
setback.
It
would
be
the
farthest
west
portion
of
the
parking
lot
and,
during
the
the
day,
all
of
the
equipment
will
not
be
there.
They'll
be
out
in
the
field
doing
their
jobs,
so
this
would
be
essentially
overnight
parking.
P
P
P
E
C
Yeah,
so
the
use
as
described
by
the
you
know
by
the
ordinance
as
you
as
you
take
about
the
the
vans,
the
trailers.
This
is
a
contractor
storage
yard
use
and
that
type
of
use
isn't
allowed
until
you
get
to
the
i1
district,
and
so
this
was
the
the
best.
You
know
that
was
the
first
opportunity
you
know
like
for
a
zoning
request
or
zone.
It
changes
zoning.
C
R
P
P
But
I
wanted
to
convey
to
the
commission
that
the
intent
is,
I
think,
much
smaller
and
the
spirit
is
quite
minimal.
First,
from
a
storage
perspective,
there's
actually
storage
that
we
would
use
inside
the
building,
so
it
has
its
own
storage
closet.
If
you
will
so
no
building
materials,
if
you
will
or
any
any
equipment
materials,
they
will
not
be
visible,
they
will
be
stored
away
and
locked
away.
E
C
The
the
contractor
I'd
have
to
do
a
little
search,
but
the
the
outdoor
storage
component
clearly
is
i1
at
the
trailers.
If
it
was
all
contained,
I
mean
he
could
have
an
office
function
here.
Clearly,
I'd
need
to
dig
on
that
to
just
confirm
whether
or
not
if
he
had
a
building
if
it
was
within
the
building.
C
If
that
would
matter,
I'd
need
to
double
check,
but
the
the
the
the
primary
issue
here
is
the
outdoor
storage
of
of
the
you
know
the
trailers
and
equipment
and
that
not
so
much
the
trucks,
but
you
know
any
equipment,
the
trailers
and
stuff,
and
the
code
clearly
defines
that
as
something
that
needs
to
be
in
the
i1
district.
I
mean,
I
think,
in
frank's
presentation
you
heard
him
reference
the
opportunity
for
a
conditional
or
excuse
me
use
variance.
C
Minor,
you
know
when
you
think
of
it
as
like.
Well,
you
know
the
use
going
on
the
property,
but
at
the
at
the
zoning
stage,
we're
asking
ourselves.
The
question
does:
does
this
zoning
make
sense
here,
and
we
also
have
to
find
that
zoning
and
conformance
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan-
and
I
can-
I
can
tell
you
I
flat
out
that
industrial
designation
on
the
future
land
use
map
in
this
area
makes
no
sense.
C
So
if
you
answer
that
question
first
then
it's
you
can't
support
the
rezoning,
even
if
the
use
seems
fairly
minor
and
that's
where
that's
why
staff
is
saying
hey.
You
know
he
might
be
able
to
seek
a
use,
variance
they're
going
to
have
to
show
that
there's
no
other
financial
viability
for
that
space
that
you
know
the
property
is
not
profitable
without
it
and
I
shouldn't
say
profitable,
but
has
you
know
it's
not
a
margin
of
profit
but
there's
no
other
use
for
it,
but
that
that
would
be
the
other
path.
P
C
S
I
want
somewhat
sympathetic
toward
the
having
a
new
business
coming
in
here
and
expanding
with,
but
I'm
also
more
sympathetic
to
that.
This
is
a
residential
neighborhood
and
changing
the
zoning.
I
think
it's
not
appropriate,
and
I
think
this-
the
better
course
that
the
property
owner
should
be
going
seeking
a
variance
with
the
board
of
adjustment
is
the
proper
right.
That's
that's
my
opinion
on
this.
B
Yeah
for
a
little
different
reason,
I
have
similar
sentiments.
You
know
I
heard
a
lot
about
intent
and
spirit,
but
I
think
I
also
heard
that
the
neighborhood
is
in
opposition.
Neighbors
are
in
opposition
and
that
should
have
been
figured
out,
and
so,
for
those
reasons
and
what
I
just
heard,
I
would
not
be
supportive.
B
E
E
You
know,
equipment,
that's
operating
business,
that's
providing
jobs
and
revenue
behind
a
fence
seems
like
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Is
there
anything
that
we
would
need
to
do
here
to
to
enable
that,
or
is
that
a
different
application
is
a
reason
that
that
or
is
that
not
in
here?
So
if
we,
if
we
move
staff
on
saying
this,
isn't
going
to
get
rezoned,
we
are
supportive
of
that
business
business
if
it
is
fenced,
in
conformance
with
the
other
ordinances,
and
it's
not
outside
the
spirit
so
to
speak.
E
C
C
A
B
A
So
thank
you.
We're
ready
for
item
number
six
now,
which
is
a
request
from
abu
bakr,
mohammed
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
1121
21st
street
and
for
further
consideration
of
a
denied
type
1
design
alternative
to
allow
a
total
impervious
area
on
the
property.
That
is
approximately
86.3
percent
of
the
total
lot
area,
which
exceeds
the
maximum
50
percent
allowed
for
a
house
d,
building
type
and
anu
will
be
presenting.
F
F
As
a
marine
chair
mentioned.
This
item
is
in
front
of
you
to
request
for
a
retention
of
existing
paving
at
the
property
addressed
1121
21st
street.
It
is
86.3
percent
of
the
lot
where
50
is
maximum
allowed
a
little
context
of
the
site.
It's
located
at
sort
of
that
t
of
drake
park
avenue
and
21st
street.
It's
on
the
east
side
of
21st,
located
in
drake
neighborhood
and
within
250
feet
of
good
park.
F
K
F
F
To
give
you
a
quick
context
on
the
property
itself,
it
used
to
be
a
10
unit,
building
built
in
the
1900s
over
time.
It
was
and
take
it
back.
It
was
built
as
a
single-family
house
back
in
1900
over
time
it
was
converted
to
10
units
in
the
building,
which
you
would
see
probably
the
case
for
multiple
houses
around
in
this
area.
F
In
2019,
the
current
property
owner
bought
this
property
and
has
applied
since
for
density
reduction
for
the
property
to
bring
it
back
to
single
family
house,
the
last
it
the
property
did
stay
vacant
for
several
years.
The
last
rental
property
certificate
that
I
saw
on
the
property
was
for
2009.,
so
sometime
between
2009
and
2019,
the
property
stayed
vacant
for
several
years
and
it
was
offered
on
a
tax
sale,
which
is
how
this
property,
through
multiple
changes,
came
in
possession
of
the
current
property
owner.
F
A
further
inspection
on
the
side
revealed
that
paving
was
poured
on
the
side,
along
with
framing
on
the
garage
that
has
happened.
If
you
see
the
pictometry,
this
is
from
march
2021,
and
this
is
the
subject
site.
This
is
the
house
and
the
entire
rear
yard.
Pretty
much
has
been
paved
there's
a
driveway.
That's
been
poured
along
as
well
on
the
side
in
march
2021.
F
There
is
no
garage,
but,
as
you
see
further
down,
these
are
pictures
from
monday
this
week
and
you
can
see
the
garage
that's
now
built
semi
built
not
completely
constructed,
which
basically
brought
this
to
the
attention
of
city
staff.
Again,
a
few
quick
pictures
here,
there's
a
driveway,
that's
been
poured
on
the
north
side
of
the
property,
a
view
of
the
rear
yard
looking
towards
the
alley.
F
F
F
The
applicant
has
provided
a
narrative,
I'm
sorry.
This
is
kind
of
hard
to
read,
but
basically
the
applicant
has
mentioned
that
the
family
stays
on
a
different
property
in
the
city
right
now,
but
he
intends
for
his
family
to
move
to
the
site,
so
the
additional
paving
in
the
backyard
would
basically
be
just
for
personal
use
parking
for
vehicles,
as
well
as
to
provide
some
recreation
and
outdoor
space
for
the
family
itself.
F
Based
on
you,
you've
probably
gone
through
the
staff
report.
It's
a
total.
The
lux
size
of
the
lot
is
nine
thousand
square
feet.
A
maximum
50
of
paving
impervious
area
is
allowed,
which
includes
your
building
footprint,
as
well
as
paving
on
the
site
that
would
come
to
4
500
square
feet
based
on
the
applicant's
submitted,
drawing
as
well
as
using
some
of
the
city's
mapping.
F
We
calculated
the
existing
paving
on
site
to
actually
be
6559
square
feet
that
goes
to
86.3
of
the
lot.
The
reason
this
is
in
front
of
you
is,
if
it
was
30
of
the
maximum
allowed.
Staff
could
have
reviewed
this
internally
and
provided
some
feedback,
but
because
this
is
over
that
30
threshold,
it's
come
to
you
to
request
for
a
type
2
design
waiver
to
allow
for
that
additional
paving.
F
Staff
believes
that
86.3
is
too
much
on
the
side
one.
It
would
definitely
raise
questions
on
water,
drainage,
on
the
surrounding
properties
and
around
and
also
sort
of
not
getting
too
much
deep
into
it,
but
sort
of
contributing
to
the
heat,
island,
sort
of
effect
and
other
environmental
impacts
of
having
too
much
paving
so
staff
is
basically
recommending
denial
of
the
requested
type
2..
What
staff
would
probably
be
supportive
of
is
to
allow
up
to
a
type
1
allowance
of
pervious
on
it.
F
So
if
you
were
to
actually
go
with
the
staff
recommendation,
this
applicant
could
still
come
back
and
request
for
a
type
1
which
would
allow
them
30
over
the
maximum
impervious.
They
would
still
need
to
take
some
impervious
out.
If
you
go
that
route,
that's
all
I
have
in
presentation,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
F
C
F
F
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
abubakar
mohammed.
I
am
the
owner
of
1121
21st
street.
As
she
was
saying,
the
property
we
did
do
the
concrete,
but
when
we
spoke
to
russ
when
we
were
doing
the
footings
he
came
in,
he
looked
at
the
whole
area
when
he
came
by.
He
looked
at
the
whole
area
and
he
saw
that
I
mean
the
only
way
to
get
into
the
garage
would
be.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
the
picture.
Q
We
have
all
the
permits
for
the
for
the
building
and
we
made
sure
to
get
the
garage
footage
as
well
the
garage
permit
and
when
russ
came
in,
he
did
look
at
it
and
he
okayed
the
footings,
and
we
told
him
that
the
garage
door
was
going
to
be
in
this
area
and
then
also
for
the
decks
he
came
in
for
the
decks
as
well.
So
we
did
add
support
for
the
decks.
That's
where
all
the
concrete
support
is.
I
mean
there's
support
here
as
well
for
the
steps.
Q
T
22Nd
street
this
is
my
neighbor
and
I've
oversee
this
remodel.
For
the
past
two
years,
I've
been
watching
as
they've
been
working
towards
it,
they've
gone
from.
Basically,
this
this
whole
place
was
basically
looked
terrible.
It
was
an
eyesore
and
they
came
in
and
they
put
in
a
lot
of
work
into
it
made
the
neighborhood
look
a
lot
better
there,
and
as
far
as
this
garage
placement
there,
that
is
literally
the
only
way
you
can
get
in
from
it
is
from
the
front
or
the
back
and
based
off
everything
that
he
told
me.
T
They
never
had
a
area
where
they
could
have
their
kids
play
and
stuff
and
they
never
owned
a
garage
before
too.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
had
so
much
concrete
and
a
lot
of
area
around
it.
So
just
hearing
their
story
was
pretty
compelling,
which
is
why
I
came
in
since
support
of
it
and
they
kind
of
put
their
whole
life
savings
life
savings
into
this
basically
and
to
have
them
kind
of
like
tear
parts
of
it.
Apart
is
pretty
unfair,
I
think
so.
U
Hi,
my
name
is
always
habib.
I
live
with
the
neighbor
over
there,
but
I
was
like
last
year's
two
years
ago
was
like
so
messy
that
area
was
in
the
back,
so
it
was
so
many
junk
all
at
that
area.
So
I'm
glad
they
did
like
that,
because
there
was
like
a
lot
of
cleaners
but
and
before
now
it
was
right
now
so
before
it
was
a
lot
of
trash,
all
the
the
back
where
the
garage
is
right.
U
C
F
I'll
try
to
answer
that,
but
I
also
have
a
quick
clarification
on
the
applicant
talked
about
city
staff
going
in
and
being
okay
and
knowing
about
this.
But
that's
really
not
the
case.
The
initial
permit
that
was
applied
for
last
year
was
for
slab
only
for
the
garage
in
october
2020.,
sometime
in
august
of
this
year,
city
staff.
F
It
came
to
city
staff
attention
that
a
garage
was
built
on
the
site,
so
a
notice
was
sent
to
them
to
ask
them
to
come
in
for
a
garage
permit,
because
they
cannot
build
one
without
the
permit.
It
was
so
they
so
the
applicant
came
in
and
applied
for
the
garage
permit.
At
this
point
there
is
a
garage
puppet
outstanding.
F
The
reason
it
has
not
been
city
staff
went
in
to
do
a
framing
inspection
is
when
they
realized
that
pretty
much
most
of
the
backyard
is
now
paved.
At
this
point
we
have
the
garage
permit
outstanding.
There
are
separate
permits
for
the
building
remodel,
which
is
what
the
electrical
plumbing
mechanical
that
were
mentioned.
That's
for
the
house
and
that's
separate
and
that's
waiting
to
be
closed
as
well,
based
on
final.
F
And
I
think
the
reason
as
you
asked
why
it
has
come
this
far
without
coming
to
attention
there
at
this
point,
there
is
no
requirement
for
a
paving
permit
if
you
are
paving
portions
of
your
yard.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
areas
that
we've
identified
might
be
something
we
wanted
to
keep
an
eye
on,
but
the
paving
was
put
in
place
before
any
of
the
building
permits
were
pulled
for
the
garage,
which
is
why
it
sort
of
slipped.
F
If
you
go
with
staff
recommendation
to
deny,
the
applicant
would
still
have
the
opportunity
to
come
back
and
request
a
type
1
design
alternative,
which
is
what
I
was
talking
about
at
30
percent
of
what
is
allowed,
what
the
maximum
that's
allowed.
So
that
would
be
which
would
still
if
they
meet.
If
based
on
the
review
and
approval
of
that
type
one,
they
would
still
need
to
remove
709
square
foot.
So
there
would
be
some
paving
that
they
would
need
to
remove
to
meet
that
threshold.
C
F
C
C
I
and
I
apologize
that
we
took
everybody
through
the
math
exercise.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
we
were
being
clear
with
the
so
the
applicant
understood
and
again
as
staff.
You
know
we
were
trying
to
find.
We
are
sympathetic
to
the
applicant's
situation.
We
think
additional
pavement
makes
sense,
but
we're
also
trying
to
balance
this
with
water
runoff
impacts
on
the
surrounding
area
and
so
we're
supportive
of
some
level
relief.
We
just
thought
the
30
threshold
made
sense,
but
anyway.
F
The
other
thing
that
I
would
add
to
that.
If
the
commission
today
decides
to
go
with
staff
recommendation
and
the
applicant
then
applies
for
a
type
one,
we
would
probably
have
them
additional
conditions
under
that
type,
one,
for
example,
having
curb
around
the
paving
so
that
it
doesn't
drain
into
neighbors
properties
and
stuff,
like
that.
So
there
would
be
a
little
more
review
in
some
conditions
to
that
type
on
approval.
E
How
much
how
much
water
needs
to
be
accounted
for
to
ensure
the
equivalent
stormwater
attention
abatement
that
would
be
equivalent
to
cutting
out
this
amount
of
area
like
for
cutting
out
another
709
feet
above
what
we
have
here?
How
much
storm
water
retention
benefit?
Does
that
provide?
Is
there
an
economically
viable
alternative
for
something
to
be
like
a
cistern
or
something,
and
has
that
been
run
as
an
option.
C
No,
I
I
don't
think
that
we
can
get
into
specifics,
but
I
do
think
that
the
commission,
if
you're,
going
down
the
path
of
maybe
trying
to
find
thread,
the
needle
that,
certainly
if
you
wanted
to,
if
you're
inclined
to
have
the
pavement
left
as
is
but
wanted
to
minimize
impact,
you
know,
maybe
you
can
request.
You
know
stormwater.
You
know
rain
barrels,
you
know
for
their
gutter
system
or
require
their
gutters
to
be
aimed
towards
the
paved
part
of
their
yard.
C
C
C
C
C
L
C
I
gotta,
I
don't
know
if
the
chair
is
agreeable,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
could
bring
the
applicant
back
up.
I'm
not
seeing
gutters
on
here.
It
would
be
good
to
know
what
his
plan
is
for
that
and
which
direction.
He
feels
that
the
gutters
might
have
to
be
aimed
towards,
because
I
think,
if,
if
we
could
get
most
of
the
water
moving
at
least
off
of
the
house
towards
the
side
yard,
that
would
be
a
benefit.
C
Q
I
mean
the
the
house
has
been
vacant
for
almost
two
years
and
we
put
new
sightings,
we
put
new
concrete.
I
mean
we
put
thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
into
this
house,
so
I
mean
we
just
recently
spoke
to
somebody
that
was
going
to
put
the
gutters
in
and
they
were
going
to
put
a
couple
around
the
houses
and
around
the
garage.
Q
C
Q
Q
We
made
sure
it
was
six
feet,
six
to
eight
feet,
away
from
both
property
lines,
and
I
mean
the
footings
and
everything.
That's
that's
what
russell
cape
for
the
garage
slab.
So
it
is
six
to
eight
feet
away.
It's
a
pretty
big
gap
and
that's
we
went
with
the
concrete
that
way.
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
lot.
That's
the
most
logical
way.
C
Russ
is
a
building
inspector
and
I
mean
I
I
don't
want
to
get
into
tick
for
town
on
I
mean
I
yeah,
I
mean
I
think,
there's
I
mean
russ.
Isn't
there
to
look
at
this
type
of
stuff,
he's
just
there
to
do
building
inspections
and
he
might
have
a
conversation
with
you
and
that
you
might
interpret
as
him
having,
but
he
he's
not
he's,
not
an
expert
in
site
plan
and
stormwater
and
those
kinds
of
standards.
Q
I
mean
I
wouldn't
say
that
he
okayed
it.
He,
I
don't
think
he
okayed
anything.
He
just
okayed
the
garage
slot,
okay
and
then
the
most.
The
logical
thing
would
be
where
we
would
put
the
concrete
and
if
he
told
us,
if
he
even
asked
us,
where
do
you
plan
on
putting
the
concrete,
we
would
have
told
him
that
it's
going
to
be
this.
The
setup
would
be
this.
Q
E
C
They
they
wouldn't
actually
be
able
to
dump
it
into
the
the
sewer
directly.
I
think
maybe
they
talked
about
possibly
like
trench
drains
on
the
site.
You
know
like
on
the
site
to
move
the
water
that
we
might
get
assumption
news.
That
can
you
elaborate
on
what
your
discussion
was
on
the
drains?
It
wasn't
to
connect
to
the
city's
stormwater
system
directly.
I
don't
believe
they'd
be
allowed
to.
F
E
C
E
I
was
just
hoping
that
our
basis
for
what
the
mitigation
would
be
would
be
based
on
709
square
feet
of
pavement.
Has
this
amount
of
problem
for
what
you
know,
water
dispersion
sure
that
we're
basing
it
off
of
that
threshold,
as
opposed
to
saying
oh,
we'll
have
like
28
rainbows,
for
we
don't
know
why
yeah.
J
E
C
G
Beyond
the
the
rainwater
one
runoff
for
stormwater
concerns,
I'm
also
concerned
about
how
much
drainage
is
going
to
be
on
the
on
the
neighboring
properties
and
and
what
that
is
going
to
look
like
so
doing.
The
guttering
into
the
yard
is
great
rain.
Barrels
are
really
only
good
if
you're
going
to
use
that
water
for
something,
otherwise
they
just
overfill.
G
A
Now
we're
ready
for
item
number
seven,
which
is
request
from
duane
hill
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
the
property
located
at
710
maxwelton
drive
and
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
waiver
of
required
public
sidewalk
installation
along
max
welton
drive
and
our
news.
Presenting
this
one.
F
This
item
is
in
front
of
you
asking
for
a
waiver
of
the
required
public
sidewalk
installation
because
it
is
on
it
is
classified
as
a
priority
one
sidewalk
gap
in
the
city's
transportation
plan.
Earlier
in
summer,
the
city
council
approved
some
ordinance
changes
where
it
allowed
the
city
staff
to
review
these
sorts
of
requests.
If
it
was
a
request
for
wavers
on
priority
two
or
three
sidewalk
gaps,
because
this
is
priority
one.
This
is
why
it's
come
back
to
you
for
a
review.
F
The
subject
property
is
located
in
waters
heights
neighborhood.
It
is
an
n3a
zoning
district
and
the
house
was
reviewed
under
house
type
b.
What
the
applicant
is
doing
here
is
basically
having
to
ex
or
wanting
to
expand
his
existing
footprint
on
the
house
that
has
kicked
the
the
size
of
the
expansion,
as
well
as
the
estimated
cost
of
construction
for
permit
purposes
on
the
expansion
is
what
has
triggered
full
site
compliance
for
this
property,
thereby
requiring
them
to
put
in
a
five-foot
sidewalk
along
the
property.
F
F
F
The
applicant's
contractor
basically
has
submitted
this
application
and
narrative
on
his
behalf
and
which
basically
lists
the
reasons
for
requiring
this
waiver
is
that
there
are
the
applicant
states
that
there
are
no
existing
sidewalks
on
either
side
of
the
joi
of
the
property
or
on
either
side
of
the
street.
For
that
entire
block
and
more
on
the
east
at
least,
and
also
the
cost
has
been
mentioned.
As
one
of
the
hindrances
or
challenges
for
the
applicant.
F
Basically,
I
think
if
the
staff
feels
that
the
location
of
this
site,
which
is
about
barely
a
half
a
block
from
southwest
ninth,
that's
one
of
the
criteria
that
sort
of
plays
into
this,
and
also
the
fact
that
it
is
classified
as
a
priority.
One
sidewalk
is
why
the
city
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
this
request
and
wanting
the
applicant
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
on
the
street.
F
That's
mostly
it
that's
mostly
what
I
have
unless
you
have
questions
in
the
code.
If
you
see
what
was
approved
by
city
council
earlier
this
year,
if
it
was
a
priority,
two
or
three,
then
staff
could
have
reviewed
and
approved
this
with
whatever
conditions
at
that
time
would
have
been
applicable
or
would
have
been
intended
or
required
for
a
type
one
city
staff.
At
this
point
for
priority,
one
sidewalk
gaps
can
also
look
for
an
ask.
F
F
I
did
get
a
phone
call
from
the
neighbor
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
directly
vest
adjoining,
and
while
he
has
not
submitted
a
card
or
an
email
or
has
come
down
in
person
to
look
at
this,
he
was
in
favor
of
the
applicant's
request
to
wave
the
sidewalk
just
because
there
are
no
existing
sidewalks
and
both
him
as
well
as
the
applicant
have
also
stated
that
this,
if
they
do
put
the
sidewalk
in
that,
could
create
more
safety
issues.
Walking
and
trying
to
walk
in
that
tiny
segment
than
anything
else.
F
E
I
only
have
I
have
two
questions
with
respect
to
how
the
code
works.
My
understanding
from
ms
frank
said
the
other
day
that
cost
actually
isn't
a
consideration
that
could
be
taken
into
this,
because
it's
a
priority.
One
is
that
right,
so
we
can't
really
wave
this
on
behalf
of
the
fact
that
cost
too
much
like
utilities.
This
is
like,
because
the
priority
one
the
cost
is
irrelevant
is
that
correct.
E
And
this
one
doesn't
have
that
correct.
That's
right,
reasonably
practical
cost
is
irrelevant,
the
cost
is
irrelevant
right
right
and
the
second
one
is
the
the
aggregation
or
I'm
sorry
the
percentage
difference
in
the
house.
Is
it
aggregate
change
over
all
of
time?
Is
it
just
this
one
if
they
said
okay
we're
going
to
change
it,
so
it's
49
of
the
footprint.
Does
that
mean
that
that
does
not
trigger
the
sidewalk.
F
E
C
R
My
name
is
dwayne
hill.
I
live
at
710,
maxwelton
drive
des
moines,
iowa
50315,
madame
chairman
planning,
the
zoning
commission
and
members
of
the
city,
I'm
not
sure
what
y'all
do
for
the
city.
It's
my
first
time
ever
being
at
something
like
this.
As
you
can
see,
I
have
probably
the
largest
lot
on
maxwelton
drive.
R
R
Then
we
ran
into
some
snags
that
made
us
start
thinking.
Maybe
we
shouldn't
even
do
anything
to
the
house.
One
of
the
issues
I'm
up
against
right
now
is
we've.
Given
the
remodeling
company,
they
went
ahead
and
bought
materials
and
getting
ready.
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
and
they
bought
a
lot
of
materials
because
they
wanted
when
they
started
building
the
house.
R
The
rules
changed
as
we
were
going
into
the
pandemic.
We
didn't
know
anything
about
it
and
it
seems
like
that.
The
the
remodeling
company
didn't
know
anything
about
it.
So
as
these
remodeling
companies
are
getting
to
do
these
projects
when
they
get
a
large
project,
they
kind
of
run
into
these
snags
and
we're
like.
Well,
that's
not
our
fault,
we
didn't
know
about
it.
You
know
we.
We
really
thought
we
had
something
special.
It
is
something
special.
R
It's
going
to
really
beautify
the
neighborhood,
make
it
look
better,
but
we're
against
putting
in
the
sidewalk
there's
no
sidewalks
on
the
street
and
this
evening
coming
home.
I
just
happened
to
look
up
coming
toward
southwest
9th
and
I
looked
on
the
right.
There's
a
a
signage,
that's
posted
that
says
no
sidewalks.
That's
that's
been
put
up
by
this
by
the
city.
R
Well,
who
I
don't
know,
I'm
gonna,
say
the
city
put
it
up
there,
because
it's
on
the
lipo,
so
I'm
assuming
it
was
illegal
to
put
it
up
there,
I'm
not
saying
a
homeowner
put
it
up
there.
So
that's
kind
of
the
problem.
Now
I
was
told
that
there
was
cards
sent
around.
I
got
the
the
map
thing
telling
me
where
to
come,
but
I
didn't
have
a
card,
my
neighbors,
that
I've
talked
to
didn't
get
a
card,
so
I'm
like
the
neighbors.
R
I've
talked
to,
they
don't
want
the
sidewalk
and
my
my
wife
and
I
were
against
putting
in
the
sidewalk
at
this
point.
The
contractors
are
on
hold
they're,
telling
me
that
we'll
probably
lose
all
our
money
because
we
paid
for
the
project,
but
we're
not
going
to
put
in
the
sidewalk.
I
am
not.
We
don't
want
to
put
in
the
sidewalk
and
we
we're
together
on
that.
We
don't
want
to
be
the
only
one
on
the
street
with
the
sidewalk.
R
R
R
I
just
don't
feel
like
I'm
so
close
to
southwest
night,
that
it
justifies
me
being
the
only
one
on
that
street
that
has
to
put
in
the
sidewalk
and
I'm
just
against
it.
I'm
hoping
the
committee
will
allow
me
and
my
family.
I
mean
to
go
ahead
and
do
the
remodel
that
we've
been
dreaming
about
and
without
putting
in
the
sidewalk.
If
not,
then
that's
just
a
part
of
the
southwest
knife
that
we
might
have
to
just
look
at
other
options
because
we
yeah
that's
all.
I
have.
R
R
No,
nothing
like
that.
I
said
well,
what's
going
on,
why
am
I
the
only
one
that
would
have
to
just
because
of
the
remodel
my
furnace
went
out
that
cost
me
18
000,
you
know,
but
they
said
the
furnace
doesn't
count
toward
this.
So
it
takes
a
lot
to
maintain
a
house
and
then
for
me
to
see
my
dream
for
me
to
lose
my
dream
of
building
my
hospital,
a
nice
piece
of
property
it
just.
I
just
don't
think
it's
fair.
R
C
W
W
I'm
duane
hill's
wife.
Three
years
ago,
amanda
wayne
got
married.
He
had
this
cute
little
house.
I
had
two
children.
We
ended
up
getting
six
other
children
because
my
daughter
died.
The
two-bedroom
house
that
he
had
would
not
be
sufficient
for
us
he's
been
in
this
house
for
years.
I
had
my
own
home,
I
moved
into
his
and
he
accepted
me
and
my
children
and
I
think
it's
just
unfair
and
I
worked
for
the
city
for
33
years.
W
I
think
it's
unfair
that
on
the
next
street
over
our
street,
the
street
behind
us,
nobody
has
sidewalks
and
he
did
this
for
his
family.
He
accepted
me
and
my
eight
children
that
I
have
and
expand
that
house.
I'm
not
asked.
I
don't
want
him
to
move
and
I
don't
want
him
to
have
to
make
big
changes
because
of
a
sidewalk.
W
A
X
F
I
G
I
guess
my
only
question
here
is
the
city
went
through
this
process.
I
don't
know,
was
it
a
year
ago
or
two
years
ago,
I've
sort
of
lost
track
of
time
of
making
it
so
that
we
don't
have
to
wave
as
many
sidewalks,
and
this
was
what
they
came
up
with-
was
the
priority
one
sidewalks
of
creating
an
escrow
option,
and
I
do
have
a
fear
that
by
waving
it
we're
again
sort
of
shaking
your
head
down.
G
C
I
I
would
ask-
and
I'm
sorry
to
interject,
but
if
somebody
does
make
a
motion
on
this,
that
is
to
wave
it.
I
do
think
you
need
to
put
some
stuff
in
the
record
that
talks
to
what's
unique
about
the
circumstance,
because
I
I
think
you're
correct
with.
If
it's
not,
if
there's
not
uniqueness,
then
where
do
you
stop.
G
Well,
I
guess
I
come
back
to
trying
to
understand
why
it's
a
priority.
One
sidewalk
like
what
is
it
because
it's
it's
proximity
to
southwest
ninth?
Is
it
because
of
how
far
it
is
from
south
union
elementary,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
classified.
How
is
it
classified
as
a
priority
one
sidewalk
by
the
city.
F
G
C
The
what
we've
discussed
with
an
escrow
agreement
is
about
a
10-year
window.
We
did
check
right
now
that
this
area
isn't
in
a
isn't
programmed
for
the
next
couple
years.
We
I
we
don't
know
beyond
that,
if
it'll
be
programmed
some
of
the
concept
that
we
had
in
discussing
this
in
developing
this
plan,
though,
was
that
if
we
had
a
block
that
had
multiple
escrows
sitting
there,
that
that
might
direct
us
to
go
to
a
particular
place
sooner
than
than
other
elsewhere,
I
don't
know
if
that
does
that
help
answer
the
question.
E
E
Obviously,
the
other
driver
in
windsor
heights
gets
to
take
care
of
sidewalks
all
day,
but
the
in
this
one.
Here,
though,
I
guess
I
I
do
echo
the
question
of
how
is
this
a
priority
one
or
why
it's
a
priority
one,
and
if
it
does
get
programmed
fine,
I
mean.
Would
it
would
it
be
something
if
we
defer
it
for
five
years?
We'll
know
whether
or
not
it's
programmed
or,
and
then
at
that
point
this
would
then
come
back
up
or
how
does
that
work.
Z
F
I
do
not
have
the
criteria
that
they
use,
but
I'm
pretty
certain
the
proximity
to
southeast
9th
place
into
it,
as
well
as
the
school
out
there,
but
based
on
my
discussion
with
traffic
and
transportation,
they
did
not
have
this
in
their
plan
for
sidewalk
construction
in
the
next
few
years,
whether
it
comes
up
in
the
next
10
years.
It's
hard
to
say
at
this
point.
V
C
AA
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
motion
passes.
Thank
you.
Okay,
eight
three,
so
item
number
eight
is
a
request
from
corey
wilson
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
4000
east
38th
street
and
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
construction
of
a
three
hundred
four
square
foot.
Twenty
two
foot
tall
metal,
clad
accessory
building
within
the
rear
yard.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chairs,
chakraborty
with
the
planning
department.
The
item
before
you
is
a
review
and
approval
of
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
a
property
on
located
on
4000
east
38th
street.
The
applicant
is
seeking
to
construct
a
2
304
square
foot,
22
foot
tall
metal,
clad
accessory
building
within
the
rear,
rear
yard
of
the
property.
D
D
E
J
D
So
I'll
I'll
just
I'll
start
again,
this
is
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
a
property
on
4000,
east
38th
street
and
the
applicant
is
seeking
to
construct
a
2
304
square
foot,
22
feet,
foot
tall
metal,
clad
accessory
building
within
the
within
the
rear
yard.
And
this
time
we
have
the
correct
map
here.
So
the
the
adjacent
land
use
and
zoning
is
low
density,
residential
on
the
on
the
north,
the
east
and
the
south
side.
There's
a
floodway
on
on
the
west
side.
D
D
D
There's,
let's
see
another
plan,
you
can
see
better
here.
The
north
property
line
the
south,
so
the
property
is
fairly
deep
and
and
the
the
accessory
structure
will
be
set
back,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
drop
and
as
well.
So
it's
not
very
visible
from
from
the
street
and
I'll
show
you
here
in
the
pictures:
here's
the
property
in
question
the
from
a
view
from
the
front,
there's
a
there's,
a
privacy
fence
as
well,
and
here's
a
street
view
just
showing
generally
the
character
of
the
of
the
neighborhood.
D
D
You
can
kind
of
see
what
it
looks
like
here
so
for
section,
135-2.22.1,
d7
of
the
city
code,
materials
of
accessory
structures
shall
match
those
of
the
principal
structure
when
the
accessory
structure
is
greater
than
300
square
feet,
which
in
this
case
it
is
staff
believe
that
believes
that,
since
the
property
is
also
located
in
a
residential
area
that
the
garage
should
have
a
residential
scale
and
that
the
character
matches
the
house.
Therefore,
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
requested
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
the
detached
garage
with
metal,
siding
and
metal
roofing
material.
D
D
Yes,
we,
the
applicants,
share
with
with
us
some
emails
of
support
from
the
adjacent
property
owners,
and
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
and
he's
going
to
go
a
little
bit
more
into
detail
regarding
the
feedback
from
the
adjacent
neighbors.
But
they
were
all
in
support
of
the
project
and
they
thought
that
this
would
not
disrupt
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
In
any
sense,.
A
J
Y
AA
Y
Y
AA
It's
it's
vehicles
that
I
already
own
and
just
trying
to
house
them
all
in
one
location.
So
I
selected
the
the
material
because
of
the
the
size
and
the
scale
of
the
building.
I
feel
it's
going
to
give
a
more
aesthetic
appeal.
It
also
matches
other
buildings
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
metal,
clad
with
metal,
siding
metal,
roof.
Y
AA
Y
Y
Y
So
if
we
look
council
at
I'm
going
to
call
it,
the
4000
to
the
4100
block
so
right
around
here
is
the
north
end
down
here
is
the
south
end,
or
would
you
generally
say
that
that's
your
neighborhood,
yes,
okay,
and
so,
if
we
count
the
parcel,
your
parcel
again
is
4
000.
Yes,
so
if
we
exclude
your
parcel
and
we
count
the
rest
of
these-
are
there
14
parcels
in
that
neighborhood,
correct
and
seven
of
those
parcels
already
have
a
metal
structure?
Yes,
okay,
do
you
think
that
your
structure
would
be
in
line
with?
AA
I
do
I
purchased
the
property
in
2017
with
the
intent
of
building.
You
know
such
a
building.
It
wasn't
until
2019,
roughly
that
I
reached
out
to
the
building.
Inspectors,
had
had
the
funds
to
to
move
forward
the
project
and
found
out
about
the
the
new
plan,
dsm
ordinance
that
that
they
said
prohibited
the
the
exterior
metal
siding.
AA
So
at
that
point
I
started
to
reevaluate
the
project,
look
at
some
alternative
methods
and
then,
as
we
all
know,
the
the
cobit
hit
and
the
building
material
supply
line
was
was
practically
shut
down.
I
was
a
construction
engineer
by
trade
at
that
time
and
so
just
put
the
project
on
hold
and
let
let
prices
settle
and
calm
down
a
little
bit
and
and
now
I'm
here
ready
to
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
Y
AA
Structure,
yep
and-
and
so
I
thought
it
would
fit.
You
know
the
the
characteristic
of
the
property
I'm
going
to
build.
You
know
similar
the
same
exterior
material,
the
same
roofing
material
I
will
match.
You
know
the
color
to
to
that
in
my
house,
but
overall
it's
I'll
be
rebuilding
the
the
same
characteristic.
Building.
Y
AA
I
had
linda
westergard
on
my
property
to
review
this.
This
proposed
area
and
she
did
come
and
take
a
look.
Yes,
she
was
on
site
and
you
know
her
email.
I
guess
will
speak
for
itself,
but
we
had
a
very
good
chat.
She
felt
that
it
fit
the
neighborhood
again
the
neighborhood's
very
unique
to
des
moines.
Because
of
the
acreage
is
it's.
You
know.
The
the
setback
that
I'll
have
for
this
building
is
is
greater
than
a
lot
of
property,
to
mention
lot
dimensions
within
des
moines,
so
so.
Y
AA
AA
AA
Rick
ramsey,
he
owns
the
the
duplex,
it's
a
multi-family
duplex
to
the
south
of
me
he's
also.
You
know
he.
He
spoke
to
the
to
the
improvements
I
made
to
the
building
or
to
the
property.
Excuse
me
since
I
purchased
it
because
it
it
was.
There
were
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
improvements
that
I've
made
to
the
exterior
since,
since
I've
moved
in
so.
Y
Y
Y
AA
E
You
mentioned
that
this
is
to
house
an
extensive
classic
car
collection.
What
is
the
cost
differential
that
would
re
for
complying
with
the
correct,
siding,
correct
type
relative
to
the
cost
of?
What's
being
housed,
I
mean,
what's
the
order
of
magnitude
of
cost,
because
I
mean
this
is
a
pole,
barn
right.
That's.
AA
E
AA
The
cost
differential
to
what's
in
the
building
you
know
estimated
values
would
be
so
I'd,
be
looking
at
just
on
materials
alone,
about
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
up
charge
to
sheet
and
vinyl
side,
because
the
the
steel
provides
the
structural
support
for
the
building,
so
I
wouldn't
have
to
sheet
the
sidewalls
on
the
roof
for
asphalt,
shingles
and
vinyl
siding.
So
twenty
thousand
dollar
difference
the.
AA
E
AA
Just
in
materials
alone,
so
I
have
spoken
with
city
building
inspectors
and
because
of
the
door
size
vice
the
the
wall
size
I
will
have
to.
If
I
did
a
frame
built,
I
would
have
to
go
some
to
some
added
bracing
for
a
narrow
wall,
bracing
that
that
would
drive
some
of
the
cost
up
and
then
plus
the
labor
to
install
the
additional
material
so
realistically
had
to
put
an
estimate
on
it.
Maybe
thirty
thousand
dollars
in
in
overage
compared
to
the
the
proposed
construction
methods.
A
AC
Sorry
it's
about
five
minutes
up.
Okay,
my
name
is
dan
brady
and
I
live
at
39-27
38th
street,
which
I'm
right
across
the
street
from
corey.
We
do
have
some
unique
properties
on
on
that
east
38th
street.
I
do
have
on
my
property
that
you
have
a
acre
and
a
quarter,
and
I
bought
the
house
which,
what's
the
address
to
dad's
house
395.1
395.1,
which
is
right
across
the
street
from
corey's
place
about
the
my
house
run
following
all
here,
probably
four
months
ago.
AC
AC
V
S
Well,
I
think
council's
done
a
very
good
job
of
presenting
the
cost
benefits
of
the
the
waivers
being
requested.
Now,
with
the
support
allowing
for
the
waiver.
In
this
instance,
I
think
it's
a
improvement
in
the
neighborhood
and
also,
but
so
many
of
the
existing
homeowners
have
the
same
standards.
So
I
think
it's
be
consistent.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chairs,
foreign
staff.
The
item
before
you
is
a
very
similar
item
to
the
one
that
we
just
discussed
before
this
subject.
Property
is
on
333,
east
mckinley
avenue
and
again
the
request
is
to
allow
construction
of
a
1200
square
foot,
15.08
foot
tall
metal,
clad
accessory
building
within
the
rear
yard
of
the
of
the
property.
D
So
with
that,
let's
take
a
look
at
the
property
here,
so
the
it's
it's
predominantly
the
property
is
in
a
low
density.
Residential
neighborhood,
existing
zoning
is
nx1
neighborhood
district
and
the
adjacent
land
uses
are
all
predominantly
low
density,
residential
as
well.
The
the
property
here
is
proposing
to
add
an
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
yard.
There's
currently,
as
you
can
see
in
the
aerial
here,
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
there
are
some
existing
accessor
accessories
structures.
D
D
So
again,
staff
has
determined
that
the
the
type
2
design
alternative
request
to
allow
the
construction
of
this
detached
garage
with
metal,
siding
and
metal
roof
does
not
match.
The
existing
exterior
materials
of
the
principal
building
and
staff
believes
that,
this
again,
since
this
property
is
located
in
a
residential
area
that
the
garage
should
have
a
residential
scale
and
character
that
matches
that
of
the
house.
D
C
Z
D
E
C
E
J
E
Z
Z
Z
J
A
C
C
We
did
have
a
long
discussion
on
actually
both
of
these
items
that
are
similar
the
one
before
this
and
this
one,
and
in
this
one
in
particular
about
you
know,
it's
a
there's,
one
that
exists
there
today
and
that
this
is
going
behind
it
does
that
mitigate
that
and,
ultimately,
we
landed
on
recommending
denial
because
it's
it's:
where
do
you?
Where
do
you
stop
and
start
was
what
what
our
struggle
was
with
st
as
staff?
C
And
do
you
continue?
Do
you
reinforce
that?
You
know
the
chara.
You
know
the
the
the
not
being
in
keeping
with
the
character
that
we're
looking
for
or
does
it
not
matter
so
we
landed
on.
You
know,
let's
not
expand
it
so
to
speak,
let's
not
add
to
it,
but
certainly
it
was
not
a.
You
know
something
that
we
went
back
and
forth
as
staff
on.
D
I
would
also
like
to
add
that
when
we
were
reviewing
this,
the
the
primary
criteria
that
we
were
using
was
the
the
the
material
and
the
the
look
of
the
of
the
structure
in
in
comparison
to
the
primary
dwelling
on
on
the
property
as
well.
That
was
the
the
real
quantifying
criteria
that
we
used
to
to
determine
that
it
didn't
meet
the
code.
C
Yeah,
I
think
that
those
materials
would
be
just
the
piggyback.
I
think
that
was
an
excellent
point
that
part
of
where
we
went
to
staff
with
direction
is
that
the
code
is
telling
us
you.
The
criteria
is
based
off
the
dwelling
and
not
other
accessory
structures,
but
to
clarify,
I
I
do
believe
they.
The
two
would
generally
match
the
two,
the
new
one
and
the
pro
or
the
existing
one,
and
the
proposed
one.
X
C
A
K
E
O
O
O
Want
to
move
to
the
next
site
sketch
and
to
kind
of
give
some
of
some
lengths
of
what's
adjoining
the
property
adjacent
to
the
north.
Is
a
convenience
store?
You
can't
see
it
in
the
image,
but
there
is
a
convenience
store
to
the
north
and
that
property
is
zoned.
Mx1
to
the
west
is
a
mobile
home
sales
office
and
vacant
land
to
the
south,
and
southeast
is
property
that
would
be
zoned
n1a
with
residential
on
it
and
then
adjacent
to
the
property.
To
the
east
is
a
p1
zone
property
with
the
cemetery.
O
As
stated,
the
applicant
is
proposing
an
on-site
surface
parking
lot
in
the
front
front
yard
of
the
site.
The
planning
design
ordinance
requires
on-site
surface
parking
lots
to
be
located
in
the
rear
yard
or
interior
side
yard,
of
of
a
civic
building
in
properties
that
are
zoned
p2,
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
next
slide.
O
O
Staff
is
recommending
that
we
would
approve
the
parking
on
the
indianola
avenue
street
site,
as
it
sets
back
approximately
260
feet
from
from
the
the
property
line,
whereas
along
the
north
staff
is
recommending
denial.
And
the
reason
for
that
is
this
area
is
a
community
mix
node
it's
it's
intended
for
a
mix
of
densities
and
some
pedestrian
activity
that
would
take
place
really.
O
O
C
C
So
that's
why
his
staff,
we
were
comfortable
with
waving
the
the
parking
requirement
on
that
side,
but
it's
the
same.
You
know
frank
laid
out
mark
case
for
not
supporting
on
the
north,
and
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
suggesting
you
know
we
would
work
with
the
applicant
on
best
place
to
put
the
building.
If
you
didn't
have
the
parking
there.
I
don't
know
it's
just
a
matter
of
leaving
the
driveway.
C
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
So
2013
they
came
forward
with
a
plan.
This
is
an
eight
acre
parcel
or
with
a
plan
for
a
large
building
and
and
project
here
and,
as
you
can
see,
they
at
that
time
anticipated
having
two
rows
of
two
bays
and
double
rows
of
parking
near
the
north
part
of
the
project
near
iron
coast,
road
with
an
entrancing
off.
AD
AD
AD
AD
They
had
to
come
before
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
for
two
things:
one
to
allow
a
25-foot
height,
variance
on
the
height
of
the
church
steeple
and,
secondly,
to
request
that
you'll
be
allowed
to
put
the
parking
within
15
feet
of
the
30-foot
parking,
normally
otherwise,
30-foot
parking
setback
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
So.
AD
This
flight
plan
was
approved
and
construction
began
and
the
grading
of
the
site
was
done.
The
detention
pond
was
built,
but
that's
as
far
as
the
church
at
that
time
had
funds
in
order
to
do
and
pastor
bill
will
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
timing
and
the
unique
nature
of
fundraising
and
constructing
a
project
of
this
size
and
magnitude
over
time.
Well,
since
that
time,
since
2013
in
2019,
the
zoning
regulations
changed
and
also
since
they
did
not
complete
the
project,
the
site
plan
approval.
AD
AD
Z
AD
If
you
want
to
fully
comply
with
the
landscaping,
that's
required
along
the
buffer,
provide
the
fence
buffer
along
the
north
side
of
the
property
and,
in
fact,
they've
taken
out
two
rows
of
their
parking
and
reduced
it
down
to
just
one
lane.
One
lane
with
two
rope,
double
double
parked:
that's
the
most
economical
way
to
build
parking,
you're
building
the
driveway.
You
might
as
well
put
parking
on
that
driveway.
AD
AD
Single
driveway,
with
no
parking
on
there
is
not
very
economical
and
also
with
this
plan,
they've
stepped
away
from
having
the
15
foot
setback
of
parking
to
the
lot
line.
They
can
pull
back
to
30
feet,
and
so
that
required
for
that
variance.
That
was
granted
to
board
of
adjustment
they're
no
longer
needing
to
use
that
to
actually
feel.
J
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
Pedestrian
friendly
type
feel
to
it
just
because
of
the
existing
conditions,
as
well
as
the
topography
of
the
area
we
have.
In
addition
to,
the
cases
which
is
already
well
established
across
the
street
is
the
only
old
cemetery,
so
there's
unlikely
to
be
any
development
of
any
pedestrian
use
in
that
area.
AD
We
have
our
detection
basin
in
the
southwest
water
and
in
the
northeast
quadrant.
The
only
area
left
to
build
is
zoned
mx1
for
zoning.
However,
there's
a
large
drainage
area,
that's
with
a
large
box
cover
that
leaves
a
property
over
here
that
that's
very,
very
difficult
for
that
area.
To
really
fully
develop
is
what
a
true
neighborhood
known,
I
think,
is
a
division,
so
we
feel
that
the
likelihood
of
anything
more
developing
here
other
than
if
our
one
building
was
up
to
the
street
front.
AD
So
I
think
that's
that's
really
kind
of
too
many
points.
One
is
that
we've
been
here
before
we've
modified
our
plans
down
to
try
to
help
with
the
spirit
of
the
intent
of
the
ordinance,
which
is
this-
the
screen
department
we're
providing
the
street
trees.
This
the
landscape
trees,
we're
even
providing
the
metal
fence-
that's
really
quite
removed
from
from
the
street
view,
but
they
so
they'd
go
ahead
and
provide
that
little.
R
AD
V
V
AD
AE
Thank
you
for
giving
us
a
chance
to
share,
and-
and
we
want
we
we're
currently
at
314
east
army
post
road
and
we
purchased
this
property.
It
was
just
kind
of
a
god
thing.
He
sold
it
to
us
for
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
financed
it,
and
so
we
were
moving
ahead
and
then
finances
and
different
things
happen
and
as
a
pastor,
my
goal
is
that
we
not
be
did
I
not
leave
them
so
in
debt?
They
can't
afford
to
go
to
burger
king.
AE
AE
We
want
to
present
a
a
just,
a
sharp
beautiful
front
to
the
community
as
their
that
whole
section,
that
as
they
go
by
they're
like
there's
a
there's,
a
sharp
building,
there's
a
beautiful
place,
and
so
there's
that
the
second
thing
is:
we
have
a
lot
of
seniors
in
our
church
and
so
for
them
to
have
to
park
clear
around
the
back.
Maybe
he
would
drop
his
wife
off,
but
then
you
got
older
gentlemen
having
to
walk
in
the
winter
and
the
stuff
and
to
be
able
to
have
them
as
close
as
possible.
AE
We
have
adapted
smaller
because
we
want
to
be
in
tune
with
you
guys
and
and
to
to
work
within
the
scope
of
what
you
have
there.
The
other
issue
is
it
and
you
can't
see
the
the
building
plan,
but
the
sanctuary
runs
this
away
and
the
expansion
would
be
to
the
west.
So
if
you
have
parking
back
there,
you
have
to
redo
stuff
or
you
have
to
put
your
parking
so
far
away.
The
other
part
on
the
south
end
is
the
educational
and
the
expansion
would
come
to
the
south.
AE
In
that
connection,
that's
to
be
able
to
have
that
to
do
that,
we
we're
gonna,
do
our
best
to
make
it
a
sharp
place
on
the
south
side
that
will
help
to
lift
you
know
we
want
to.
We
want
to
do
it
well
and
right,
there's
a
church
if
you
just
go
up
the
street
on
the
left-hand
side
of
white
church
up
there
by
the
fire
department.
AE
R
AE
If
somebody
would
like
to
buy
a
church
on
314
east
army
post,
a
half
a
block
we'd
make
you
a
great
deal
and
we're
trying
to
shorten
the
window
from
the
sale
of
our
property,
the
building
process.
So
what
we
want
to
come
in
and
put
the
drives
in,
and
we
want
to
put
a
a
pavilion
area
where
we
can
keep
the
mowers
and
stuff
and
get
some
of
that
stuff
done.
AE
We're
trying
to
get
as
much
done
so
that
when
somebody
comes
along
to
buy
our
building,
we
can
have
that
short
window
of
in
there.
But
to
have
the
back
where
there
could
be
youth
events
and
different
things.
A
kid's
soccer
area,
because
that
is
a
big
area
for
a
whole
lot
of
mobile
home
courts
in
that
neighborhood.
AE
And
that's
what
the
boys
tell
me
they're
like
we
like
to
play
at
yours.
It's
one
of
those
adjustable
nice
goal.
Setters
and
you've
got
a
net,
and
so
we
want
to
be
an
asset
to
the
city.
We
want
to
bless
the
city,
and
so
I
just
appreciate
you
guys
time
and
consideration
of
what
we'd
like
to
do
here.
So
thank
you.
Any
questions.
E
E
Q
AE
Our
old
place,
but
and
it's
interesting
because
we
we
got
the
goal
setter
hoop,
so
we
can
take
it,
but
the
the
cement
work
we'd
like
to
do
is
the
drives
the
approaches
from
army
post
and
indianola
and
then
also
to
put
a
pavilion
type
building
there
and
we'd
really
love
to
get
the
water
run
in
we're
trying
to
get
everything
we
can
done.
You
know
just
keep
doing
things
along
the
way
and
paying
for
this
right
process.
AE
AE
E
Currently,
nothing
has
been
done
that
would
prevent
a
change
to
this
plan.
Is
that
right,
you
aren't?
Having
if
plan
changed,
I
mean
I.
I
agree
very
strongly
with
frank
that,
especially
with
the
church
that
presence
and
location
is
important
right
if
you're
going
to
be
a
community
item
right-
and
this
is
not
a
suburb
right.
So
if
we're
in
the
city-
and
we
have
a
strong
presence
and
location,
it
seems
like
I'm
probably
more
more
in
favor
than
staff
of
not
even
the
parking
on
indianola
road
either.
E
AE
No
okay,
no
mister
draper,
but
we're
trying
to
look
down
the
road.
So
if
you
put
the
parking
on
the
back
side,
when
you
expand,
you
got
to
tear
it
all
out
again
and
then
also
you're
making.
So
if
you
have
your
front
there
facing
the
corner,
you
got
older
people
having
to
walk
from
the
back
and
then
you
also
create
so
the
entrances
are
going
to
be
from
the
front
and
from
the
east
side
there.
AE
So
now
you
have
people
coming
from
the
back
and
you
have
a
greater
security
issues
because
people
are
coming
in
doors
that
are
not
where
you
want
to
come
in.
You
wanna
you
wanna
in
today's
society.
You
want
contained
entrance.
Now
all
the
doors
are
open.
You
know
you
push
the
panic
bars
and
they
open,
but
you
just
have
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on,
and
so
that's
you
know
and.
AD
Saying
with
the
elderly
right
folks
that
everybody
right
yes
we're
in
the
city,
but
this
is
really
still
a
suburban
feel
where
people
are
still
going
to
expect
to
park
next
close
to
the
door
and
we're
not
asking
for
a
ton
of
parking
in
front.
Most
of
the
parking
expansion,
as
it
expands,
will
continue
south
along
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
then
wrap
around.
So
really
we're
only
talking
about
these
two
rows
of
parking
on
the
north
side
of
building,
which
we
would
have
a
driveway
there
anyways
to
get
to
the
front
door.
AD
AD
To
allow
there
to
be
parking
on
both
sides
of
that
driveway,
which
economically
makes
sense
that
you
load
your
driveways
with
parking
on
both
sides
and
it
does
provide
some
and
it
provides
parking
close
to
the
door,
which
is
what
the
congregation
really
wants.
Everybody
wants
that
parking
spot
closest
closest
to
the
door.
Well,.
E
AE
AE
Those
issues
that
that
that
you
now
incorporate
so
it
just
we
I
mean
we
spent
a
lot
of
time.
We
looked
at
basements.
We
looked
at
a
lot
of
things.
We
went
through
a
lot
of
parameters
to
get
this
kind
of
idea
of
how
we
could
most
effectively,
minister
to
our
people
and
our
congregation
with
their
age
with
the
different
stuff,
and
so,
but
thank
you
any.
A
AF
So
I
think
what
pastor
was
trying
to
get
at
is
that
that
that
drop-off
and
steeple
feature
they
want
to.
They
want
that
to
face
the
community
face
the
intersection
and
they
feel
like
if,
if
that's
flip-flopped
and
every
in
the
parking
and
the
main
entrance
is
put
in
the
back,
it's
downhill
it's
below
the
level
of
the
street
and
not
as
visible,
and
they
feel
like
they're.
Turning
their
back
on
the
neighborhood.
Doing
that
that's
that's
sort
of
the
the
design
feature
that
you
were
speaking
toward
against,
but.
AF
The
other
thing
that
wasn't
mentioned
is
that,
just
from
a
visibility
standpoint
from
each
army
post
to
the
level
where
this
parking
is
elevated,
so
I
just
don't-
I
just
don't
think
you're
gonna
be
able
to
see
much
of
that
parking
anyway
with
the
landscaping
and
the
elevation
change.
So
that's
all.
I
wanted
to
add.
A
AB
AB
AB
A
B
B
E
There's
nothing
that
there's
nothing
that
would
prevent
a
drop
off
if
there's
park.
If
there's
not
parking
there,
it's
not
like
all
of
a
sudden.
You
have
to
move
the
steeple
number
one
number
two:
it
isn't
that
there's
only
one
door
allowed
in
a
building,
it's
at
the
front
primary
door
must
be
facing
the
the
main
street
and
to
frank's
point
it
should
be
present
and
invisible,
because
it's
a
church,
this
isn't
a
big
box
store
if
it's
best
buy.
E
A
Okay,
the
motion
take
three
motion,
passes
eight,
three:
okay,
so
we're
done
with
the
items
on
the
agenda.
We
did
have
one
item
to
talk
about.
That's
the
nominations.
Committee
we'd
asked
for
three
volunteers
for
this
committee,
and
that
gives
time
to
speak
to
people
to
be
chair
first,
chair
and
and
the
vote
on
that
will
be
at
the
first
meeting
in
january,
which
will
be
january
20th
of
2022..
V
C
Well,
some
of
it
is
because,
because
the
cove
we
were
a
little
bit
behind,
I
think,
last
year
you
started
in
january,
and
maybe
we
voted
in
february
yeah,
and
so
we,
the
bylaws,
do
you
know
we
are
supposed
to
vote
at
the
first
meeting
in
january,
so
we're
trying
to
get
you
know,
do
it
properly
and
and
and
speaking
with
dory,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you,
the
group,
has
adequate
time.
So
this
would
give
you
a
couple
months
really
to
to
talk
to
folks
and
to
meet.