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From YouTube: 11-7-22 City Council
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Des Moines City Council regular meeting on Monday, November 7, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
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A
A
B
Thanks
Josh
hi
everyone,
I'm
Ken
setzborne,
with
Mid-American
Energy
and
the
city
had
a
great
project.
The
municipal
Services
Center
2
project,
and
we
went
through.
We
used
our
design
team
of
OPM
Architects
and
I
Meg
group
Corporation,
actually
helping
to
make
the
the
building
as
energy
efficient
as
they
could
and
still
make
it
functional,
as
it
turned
out
you're
able
to
make
the
building
actually
use
about
half
what
a
building
code
built.
Building
would
actually
look
like.
C
B
A
partnership
attack
kind
of
looking
at
here,
partnering,
together
and
I'll
point
this
around
for
the
camera,
just
a
minute:
partnering,
together,
Mid-American
Energy
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
and
actually
the
check
itself
which
physically
delivered
on
434
907
and
through
our
commercial
new
construction,
Energy
Efficiency
program
and
the
other
critical
link
to
this
is
that
the
ongoing
following
annual
savings
is
estimated
to
be
145
000..
So
that's
kind
of
neat.
You
know
you
had
to
do
it
for
have
more
energy
efficiency,
but
by
the
same
boat
one
well.
So
we
appreciate
that
part.
D
E
E
C
C
A
G
A
A
H
I
F
A
A
All
right,
I'm,
Gonna,
Get
Us
started
a
little
early
and
I
wanted
to
just
offer
an
explanation.
I
you've
got
me
here
tonight
running
the
meeting
that
the
mayor
is
participating
and
representing
the
city
in
our
country
over
a
cop
in
incredibly
important
climate
discussions,
and
so
we're
grateful
that
our
mayor
is
able
to
participate
and
represent
us
for
those
of
you
who
didn't
join
in
at
4
45.
We
had
a
presentation
that
that
ties
in
nicely
to
to
our
climate
efforts,
which
is
with
our
Municipal
service
center.
A
We
took
advantage
of
mid-americans
Energy
Efficiency
programs
and
are
going
to
be
saving
our
city
residents
145
000
a
year
in
energy
costs,
with
the
work
that
we
did
to
make
that
building
energy
efficient
and
that
ties
in
to
the
work
that
we
do.
That
is
something
that
is
replicable
across
our
city
and
we've
been
working
to
do
that
in
our
city
buildings.
A
G
A
G
A
Item
three
is
approving
the
consent
agenda,
which
tonight
are
items
three
through
Thirty
Four
on
item
number,
28
council
member
Shoemaker
votes;
no,
and
as
a
reminder,
these
are
routine
items
that
will
be
enacted
by
one
roll
call
vote
without
separate
discussion
and
less
pursuant
to
council
rules.
Council
request
an
item
to
be
removed
to
be
considered
separate,
move
approval
second,
has
been
moved
and
seconded.
A
And
with
that
we'll
turn
to
our
hearings
as
a
reminder
for
those
items
where
public
comment
is
not
taken
or
to
convey
information
generally
to
the
council
or
the
city
manager,
Des
Moines
residents
are
encouraged
to
submit
letters
or
emails
texts
or
phone
calls,
with
additional
comments
or
information
to
ensure
they
are
sharing
information.
They
would
like
to
be
shared.
A
item
36
on
vacation
of
Ali
right-of-way,
located
at
601,
East,
University
Avenue
within
Burke,
Park
and
dedication
of
the
property
as
Parkland
a
is
the
first
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
B
is
final.
Consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
waiver
is
requested
by
Ben
Page,
Parks
and
Recreation
director
and
requires
sick
votes.
J
A
G
A
Item
38
on
vacation
of
East
Jefferson
Avenue
right
of
way
adjoining
1626
Dixon,
Street,
1730,
East,
Washington
Avenue
in
1637,
East,
17th
Street
in
conveyance
of
a
portion
of
said,
vacated,
Street
right-of-way
to
Liberty
Holdings
Inc
13
725
continued
from
the
October
3rd
2022
council
meeting
item
a
is
the
first
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
B
is
final
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
waiver
requested
by
Liberty
Holdings
Inc
and
requires
six
votes
with
that.
I'll
open
it
to
members
of
the
public.
A
Item
40
on
the
proposed
Third
Amendment
to
the
urban
renewal
plan
for
the
38th
and
Grand
urban
renewal
area,
Council
Communication
number
22-517
a
is
the
first
consideration
of
ordinance,
38th
and
Grand
Tiff
District
number
three
C
or
B,
we'll
correct
that
to
be
final
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
waiver
requested
by
Mike
Ludwig
interim
development
services.
Director
requires
six
votes.
A
G
F
K
Let's
jump
off
stranger
2725
Merle,
Hay
Road,
my
role
with
the
church
is
I
serve
as
executive
pastor
at
the
church,
and
our
church
has
been
on
Raleigh
Road
since
the
60s,
and
we
haven't
done
any
real
updating
since
the
80s
and
so
we're
planning
some
Renovations
on
the
project.
You've
read
the
package,
but
the
project
is
a
approximately
a
10
million
dollar
project.
Some
extensive
renovation
to
the
interior,
we're
happy
that
we're
adding
some
fire
suppression
and
elevator.
Some
of
those
things
to
make
our
buildings
safer.
K
Come
we're
doing
a
significant
amount
of
scope
of
work
to
the
exterior
painting
and
wood
treatment
to
modernize
the
the
appearance
and
enhance
the
curb
appeal.
Our
project
did
require
a
site
survey.
As
you
know,
we
don't
do
these
things
often.
So
that
was
a
bit
of
a
surprise
to
us.
We
learned
that
we
need
to
do
some
landscaping
and
some
trash
enclosures
and
meetings,
those
kinds
of
things
minimally.
It
was
an
extra
250
to
500
000
added
to
the
project
with
with
the
site
survey
requirements.
K
Sound
level
change
when
you're
outside
our
building
and
those
units
come
on
and
off.
We
did
that.
We
have
an
engineer
engineer
here
tonight
that
can
speak
to
that
more
intelligibly
than
me
and
Visually
impact.
The
visual
impact
we've
I've
been
working
with
City
staff
and
we're
happy
to
paint
the
units,
the
color
of
the
sky,
the
color
of
the
building,
whatever
would
camouflage
it
if
you
will
and
help
it
to
blend
into
the
environment.
We
currently
have
12
rooftop
units,
we're
adding
an
additional
four
to
the
building
in
the
project.
There'll
be
offset.
G
K
I
K
I
L
E
Mayor
Pro
tem
members
of
council,
Michael,
Ludwig,
deputy
director
of
development
services
for
the
city.
Yes,
they
went
to
the
Planning
Commission
appealed
the
administrative
option
that
was
provided
to
them
by
staff
appealed
that
to
the
Planning
Commission
Planning
Commission
upheld
the
planning
staff's
recommendation.
E
Or
three
sites
there's
12
pieces
of
equipment
on
the
roof
right
now,
they're
adding
four
more
so
to
say
there
wouldn't
be
any
on
the
back
side.
There
are
some
that
face
the
residential
neighborhood
to
the
East,
and
so
there
were
photos
in
the
packet
that
showed
different
views
from
the
East
property
line,
as
well
as
I
believe
on
Merle
Hay.
So
again,
we'd
offered
the
option
of
only
screening
the
equipment
that
was
visible
from
those
locations
and
they
chose
to
go
ahead
and
appeal
to
the
plan
and
Zoning
commission.
All
of
the
screening.
L
E
I
don't
know
when
all
of
the
units
have
been
added
on
the
roof
at
various
times,
but
there's
12
up
there
today
and
they're,
adding
four
more
sure,
and
then
we
would
look
at
the
ones
that
are
either
present
today
or
the
new
ones
and
look
at
where
they're
located
on
the
roof
plan
and
then
look
at
the
visibility
from
the
adjoining
residential
and
from
the
commercial
or
Merle
Hay,
and
then
ask
for
appropriate
screening
at
that
time.
That
was
the
option
that
was
presented.
I
E
E
E
I
L
A
L
E
Not
submitted
any
documentation,
anything
that
that's
a
problem
in
this
instance,
so,
okay
and
on
the
jethros,
for
example,
I
think
that
was
actually
a
parapet
that
was
extending
up
on
the
side
of
the
wall
and
then
it
was
load-bearing
question.
So
it's
no
load
on
this
there's
been
nothing
submitted.
That
I'm
aware
of
that's.
That's
indicated
it's
not
structurally
capable
of
accommodating
it.
C
G
K
K
Haven't
been
directly
involved,
the
architect
is
here,
and
we
do
have
one
of
our
other
Engineers
here.
I
did
just
want
to
answer
the
question
about
noise.
The
neighbor
I
know
her
we're
good
friends.
It
was
a
youth
event
that
we've
had
a
city
permit
for
that
went
until
eight
o'clock
at
night.
She
gets
up
at
three
to
work
and
it
was
a
little
loud
for
her
and
I
think
she
said
that
in
her
she.
I
O
Like
I'd
like
to
respond
on
the
noise,
my
name
is
Jim
Cooper
I
am
a
registered
mechanical
engineer
at
the
state,
have
been
doing
work
in
the
Des
Moines
area
for
40
years
and
I
also
served
on
the
State
Plumbing
mechanical
board.
I
have
an
octave
band.
Analyzer
and
I
went
around
and
turned
the
units
to
Mechanical
Cooling
and
took
sound
readings
at
the
property
lines,
and
there
was
one
unit
that
registered
about
45
DBA.
O
G
O
G
N
G
P
I
can't
answer
what
the
Alternatives
were,
but
I
can
tell
you
why
we
don't
know
what
they
are:
Skyler
Phelps
with
mantel
Teeter
Architects
out
of
Kansas
City
Missouri.
The
reason
why
we're
before
you
today
is
the
church
wanted
to
get
a
determination
from
this
governing
body
as
to
whether
what
we
were
proposing
to
paint
the
units
would
be
acceptable
or
not
before
we
had
detailed
conversation
with
staff
about
some
middle
of
the
road
solution.
That
would
be
acceptable
if
you
ask
us
to
go
back
and
do
that,
we'd
certainly
be
willing
to
do
so.
P
Staff's
been
very
Cooperative.
Throughout
this
whole
process.
We've
enjoyed
working
with
them
I'm
here
today
to
communicate
what
we
believe
to
be
a
situation,
a
special
situation
related
to
this
project,
where
we
believe
there's
no
real
appreciable
benefit
of
the
church
spending
an
initial
150
000
to
screen
units,
particularly
from
the
Merle
Hay
side
of
road
that,
if
you've
driven
by
there
and
you
look
back
at
the
church
a
lot.
Many
of
those
units
sit
so
far
back
into
the
middle
of
the
building.
O
The
the
number
of
units
we're
adding
are
relatively
small
and
the
rebates
from
Mid-American
Energy
have
been
reduced
drastically
in
the
last
number
of
years.
Really
the
only
rebate
that
we
would
possibly
go
for
is
the
fact
that
we're
getting
rid
of
a
control
air
compressor
and
they
do
give
a
rebate
for
that,
but
other
than
that.
That
is
that.
Is
it
we're
using
high
efficiency
equipment,
but
they've
reduced
their
program
drastically
over
the
last
number
of
years.
A
C
I
G
And
I
and
I
appreciate
and
I
know:
you're
the
ward,
councilman
and
I
I
typically
would
go
along
with
that,
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
matter
how
I
vote
on
this,
but
I'll
just
tell
you.
These
units
have
been
on
this
roof
since
1960
and
the
neighbors
have
been
been
around
these
things.
Putting
screening
around
it,
they're
absolutely
right.
G
When
you
drive
down
the
road
you're
going
to
look
over
and
see
boxes
above
there
where
you
would
know
that
there's
units,
but
now
we're
going
to
build
boxes
above
it
I
think
the
screening
is
the
wrong
thing
to
do,
especially
when
you
consider
a
building
like
this.
It
sits
way
back
from
the
road
I
I,
just
I,
I,
I'm
sure
that
I'm
sure
it'll
pass
but
I'm,
not
gonna
I'm,
not
gonna,
support
and
and
furthermore,
I
I.
I
I
I
Seeing
no
comment,
I
would
like
to
just
discuss
a
couple
things
that
are
in
this
plan,
primarily
the
roughly
1.7
million
that
we
are
allocating
to
Neighborhood
code
enforcement
listed
under
affordable
housing
as
there
is
not
specifically
a
category
for
it.
I
believe
we
are
overspending
in
this
category.
We
have
less
allocated
to
actual
affordable
housing.
I
Rehab
building,
new
construction
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
reconsider
this
specifically
a
lot
of
the
what
is
listed
as
the
proposed
activities
for
this
code
enforcement
funding
is
in
junk
and
debris
cleanup,
not
in
actual
like
code
enforcement
on
the
condition
of
Housing,
and
my
concern
is
that
it's
not
actually
meeting
our
goal
of
increasing,
affordable
housing
or
maintaining
our
current,
affordable
housing.
If
it's
not
focused
on
those
specifically
I,
would
reconsider
and
look
at
this
specifically
in
our
lack
of
funding
for
non-congregate
family
shelter.
I
We
heard
this
morning
from
Homeward
that
we've
got
76
families
on
the
waitlist
for
emergency
shelter
right
now,
and
a
reallocation
of
this
money
into
emergency
family
shelter
could
solve
part
of
that
problem
if
we
wanted
to
reallocate
it
into
a
rehab
or
building
affordable
housing.
Right
now,
we've
got
42
households
that
we've
out
like
money
allocated
to
help
42
households
with
either
rehab
payment
assistance
or
building
new
units.
We
could
double
that
number
with
this
funding.
J
That's
just
really
a
functional
thing.
When
we
submit
our
plan
to
HUD,
there's
only
five
categories
and
so
affordable
housing
covers
a
really
large
span
of
activities.
The
other
categories
or
goals
include
Public,
Services,
Public
infrastructure,
Economic,
Development
and
homelessness.
So
that's
why
code
enforcement?
There
is
a
there's,
a
logic
behind
it,
but
there's
no
explanation.
I
Really
I:
it's
just
that.
I
think
that
I
would
prefer,
if
we're
going,
to
keep
the
funding
in
Code
Enforcement
that
we
are
focusing
specifically
on
rental
ion
and
excuse
me
and
vacant
property
so
that
we
are
spending
that
money
actually
maintaining
the
housing
stock.
Well
right
now
the
listed
goals
are
primarily
junk
and
debris,
and
a
Vehicle,
Impound
I
believe.
N
H
G
J
For
ION
yeah,
for
example,
ion
we
do
we've
allocated
250
000
of
cdbg
to
ion,
but
then
the
city's
General
budget
I
believe,
has
a
million
allocated
to
that,
and
just
you
know
our
our
department,
we
work
with
ion
we're
different
divisions,
but
we're
the
same
department.
So
we
kind
of
have
a
loose
agreement.
We
just
go
back
and
forth
where
they
keep
telling
us,
they
need
more
money,
so
we're
gonna,
say:
okay,
well,
we'll
talk
about
it.
J
So
I
don't
think
from
an
allocation
standpoint
with
ion
that's
going
to
be
an
issue
if
they
need
more
money,
we'll
definitely
consider
it.
I
think
the
issue
at
hand,
that's
the
bigger
picture,
is
reallocating
anything
from
code
enforcement,
otherwise
that
I
would
say
is
going
to
take
a
larger
conversation.
It's
not
something
we
can
just
do
today
because
I
know
there's
other
general
fund
implications,
but
also
this
has
been
a
stable
program
for
so
long.
You
know
we've
gotten
public
input
on
the
Consolidated
plan,
so
the
idea
was
back
in
2019.
J
We
did
a
large
public
input
session
with
our
non-profit
providers,
the
public,
all
sorts
of
things
that
we
have
to
go
through
for
HUD
and
it's
a
very
extensive
process,
and
so
we
kind
of
set
up
at
that
time
what
our
Five-Year
Plan
is
going
to
be,
including
this
code
enforcement
activity.
So
we
would
probably
have
to
do
a
substantial
Amendment
which,
from
from
our
end,
we
can
do
it
it's
fine,
but
it
does.
It
does
change
the
timeline.
N
I
N
I
M
I
could
just
add.
We
already
have
pretty
strong
rules
in
place
for
rentals.
We
have
more
control
over
rentals
than
we
do
on
owner
occupied
calls.
I
get
are
for
junk
and
debris
in
owner-occupied
houses.
I
would
I'm
not
going
to
be
in
favor
of
changing.
Anything
I
like
I
will
make
a
motion
at
some
point
just
to
improve.
A
Well,
I've
got
a
more
broader
process
question
just
in
terms
of
you
know
where,
where
are
we
at?
In
the
current
strategic
plan?
Sure
and
and
I
think
you
know,
this
is
maybe
an
example
council
member
Shoemaker
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
because
this
is
the
plan
that
was
in
progress,
but
maybe
thinking
about
addressing
these
issues
going
forward
through
whatever
the
process
is
for
the
next
strategic
plan.
J
I
And
I
I
do
appreciate
that
and
recognize.
You
know
that
there
was
a
long
process
to
sort
of
put
the
plan
in
place.
As
mayor
Pro
tem
pointed
out.
This
is
the
first
time
that
this
is
in
front
of
me
and
so
I
you
know,
have
to
put
my
input
in
and
say
that
I
would
prefer
that
we
were
allocating
a
different
way.
If
there
is
any
agreement
on
the
council
for
that,
then
we
can
have
that
discussion,
but
otherwise
it
is
what
it
is.
I
know.
Connie
had
I.
H
Just
think
with
the
ions
program,
as
you
brought
up
I
think
there's
avenues
that
we
can
get
to
doing
more
repair
and
re
getting
people
into
housing
and
things
like
that
and
I
think
there's,
maybe
other
programs.
We
could
look
at
to
really
intensify
some
of
that
so
and
that's
I
do
know
that
this
is
Code
Enforcement
as
the
junk
memory
and
I'm
sure.
Other
aspects
of
housing
is
involved,
probably
a
little
bit
in
that
million
six.
Or
is
this
all.
H
We
have
to
have
that
in
place
to
be
able
to
make
things
better
for
people
so
step
one
and
then
it
gets.
We
need
to
look
at
what
is
our
total
expenditure?
Is
there
something
else
that
we
can
do?
Are
there
other
programs
out
there
that
we
can
and
I
think
the
ion
program
which
they
were
already
testing
I?
Think
we'll
have
a
huge
impact,
a
much
bigger
impact
than
I
think
the
dollars
we
probably
have
initially
allocated
for
it,
so
that
we
can
do
some
of
the
things
you're
talking
about
for
housing,
I.
I
Think
my
last
thought
on
this
is
just
that.
Specifically,
this
funding
is
going
towards
nbsd
code
enforcement,
which
means
it
specifically
targeting
quote
unquote,
distressed
neighborhoods
and
allocating
that
money
specifically
to
rental
code
enforcement
or
increasing,
affordable
housing.
I
think
would
just
be
a
better
use
of
those
funds
as
compared
to
code
enforcement
in
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
think
that
would
improve
those
areas
that
we're
specifically
targeting,
but
without
any
agreement
on
the
council,
it
is
what
it
is
and
we'll
talk
about
it
next
year.
A
A
Did
so
it
has
been
moved
and
seconded
I'll
just
say.
Thank
you
to
council
member
Shoemaker
I
think
it's
important
to
continue
paying
attention
to
how
we
do
these
allocations
and
particularly
a
bringing
up
and
tying
back
into
some
of
what
we're
seeing
from
a
data
perspective
in
terms
of
the
needs
particularly
I.
I
know
this
wasn't
all
on
the
shelter
piece,
but
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
having
continued
conversations
about
family
shelters
and
some
of
the
other
gaps
that
we
are
seeing
and
I
know.
A
G
H
L
A
L
A
Which
takes
us
to
item
44
request
to
speak
and
for
those
persons
wishing
to
speak
this
evening
under
this
public
speaking
item
on
the
agenda,
we'll
only
be
calling
on
those
who
have
registered
to
speak.
All
speakers
must
comply
with
the
rules
regarding
their
names
and
addresses,
or
they
will
not
be
recognized
to
speak.
Q
Hello,
my
name
is
Adam
tallahan,
you
see
him.
Pronouns
I
live
in
Ward
3.
I
would
first
like
to
talk
about
accessible
meetings.
We
need
to
have
hybrid
meetings,
virtual
participation,
this
far
into
the
pandemic.
We
know
there's
still
a
lot
of
people
that
are
not
comfortable
or
safe
or
just
can't
attend
these
meetings
in
person
and
opening
up
these
meetings
to
allow
some
sort
of
hybrid
option,
as
other
cities
and
Counties
have
done
across
Iowa,
would
allow
a
lot
more
people
to
participate.
Q
Counselor
timely
ignores
or
lies
about
negative
comments
that
they
receive,
rather
than
just
acknowledging
them
and
saying
we're
going
to
do
what
the
city
is
going
to
do
anyway,
for
instance,
today,
in
the
church
item
where
somebody
had
directly
commented
asking
for
screening
around
mechanical
noise
and
the
city
seemed
to
act
like
that
comment,
hadn't
been
received,
even
it
was
in
the
agenda.
Also
Council
has
been
getting
incredibly
heated
when
a
single
member
disagrees
or
brings
up
something
they
don't
want
to
talk
about.
Everybody
up
here
has
been
elected
by
the
people.
Q
R
Howdy,
how
are
you
I'm,
Sam,
Davis
and
I'm
in
ward
3
on
Southwest
Second
everything
you
said
today,
I
think
we
need
to
get
to
the
core
of
everything.
Why
do
people
not
care
about
their
homes?
Why
should
we
care
when
the
city
doesn't
care
about
us?
The
noises
are
insane.
The
Iowa
Department
of
Transportation
doesn't
allow
modified
Mufflers
on
their
highways.
Why
the
heck?
Do
we
we're
woken
up
all
the
time
the
noise
ordinance
is
not
enforceable.
Cops
have
to
go
around
with
a
decibel
meter.
Like
was
explained
earlier.
R
R
One
of
the
other
things
I
have
to
say
is
the
businesses
aren't
taking
care
of
their
spaces
like
214
Jackson
did
soil
samples
found
that
it
was
a
brown
field
and
failed
to
tell
the
DNR,
and
so
we've
had
all
this
Levy
work
done
by
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
and
all
this
crap
is
flying
through
the
air
still
haven't
seen
the
soil
samples
all
they
did
with
the
city.
Is
they
just
slapped
down?
Some
grassy
called
her
today,
so
I
just
think
that
residents
make
a
city
and
you're
our
city,
council
and
I.