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From YouTube: 2-6-23 City Council budget discussion
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Des Moines City Council morning budget discussion on Monday, February 6, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
Good
morning
everybody
Welcome
to
our
Monday
February
6th
Council
budget
discussion.
We've
got
a
number
of
issues
coming
today,
including
some
parking
sanitary
sewer,
Solid
Waste,
storm
water,
housing
in
self-supported,
Municipal,
Improvement
districts,
Mr
manager.
Let's
quickly
turn
it
over
to
you
make
a
couple
of
comments.
Let's
get
going
all.
B
Right
sounds
good
mayor,
so,
yes,
this
is
our
annual
Workshop
starting
with
our
budget.
This
is
obviously
my
recommendation
and
an
opportunity
to
go
through
the
entire
documents.
Ask
any
questions
see
what
changes
you'd
like
to
make
and
obviously
let
the
public
know
what
this
recommendation
looks
like
as
well.
So
we've
broken
this
up
into
two
pieces.
B
C
Thank
you,
Mr
manager,
honorable
mayor
and
council
members,
Nick
Shaw
Finance,
director
I,
get
to
stand
before
you
today,
thankfully
standing
because
last
year,
I
was
in
a
wheelchair,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
stand
here
and
talk
to
you
about
budget.
Today
we
wouldn't
be
here
without
the
hard
work
on
the
finance
department,
especially
our
research
and
budget
staff,
one
at
which
is
going
to
be
assisting
me
today.
So
I
can
get
a
little
bit
of
a
break
from
standing
and
you
don't
have
to
hear
my
voice
the
whole
morning.
C
So
in
a
bit,
we'll
have
Joe
come
up
and
start
talking
about
parking,
but
like
man,
the
Scott
had
stated.
You
know
this
is
the
city
managers
recommended
budget
we've
worked
through
on
doing
these
different
topics
and
go
ahead
and
stop
us
along
the
way.
If
you
have
any
questions
and
we'll
try
and
address
that
and
get
that
through
for
this
half
day
and
again,
we
have
that
CIP
and
what's
called
our
operations,
which
is
our
general
fund,
Road
use
and
local
option
that
will
actually
be
on
Friday
as
well.
D
D
We
did
have
a
another
garage,
the
8th
and
mulberry
garage
which
we
sold
in
fiscal
year
2020.
So
this
is
the
current
inventory
we
have
of
garages
as
far
as
individual
spots,
it's
in
the
garage
within
the
garages.
We
have
5422
garage
spots
and
3258
on-street
parking
spots
for
a
total
of
8
680
total
parking
spots
within
our
system.
D
The
describe
this
slide
shows
our
average
occupancy
by
garage
of
note
on
this
slide.
You
can
really
see
the
effects
of
covid-19
beginning
in
fiscal
year,
20,
where
we
see
a
that's
the
gray
bar.
We
see
a
significant
drop
in
our
occupancy
rates.
We
do
see
some
recovery
coming
out
of
covid
of
node.
On
this
slide,
you
can
see
our
East
Grant
garage
has
maintained
pretty
consistent
rates
through
the
pandemic,
and
also
you
see
off
to
the
right,
Fifth
and
walnut.
That
came
online
for
the
first
and
second
quarter
of
23.
D
D
This
slide
is
again
showing
some
of
the
the
effects
of
covid-19
and
how
we
are
recovering
slowly
from
that.
The
blue
line
is
our
total
non-park
and
ride
when
the
green
line
is
our
park
and
ride
some
of
those
those
little
dips
and
raises
you
see,
are
often
related
to
event
parking
and
and
since
we're
doing
it
by
month,
you
do
see
a
little
bit
of
a
wave
there,
but
we
again
we
see
a
slow
but
study
rise
coming
out
of
the
of
April
2020
time
frame.
D
Some
general
information
about
parking.
Our
garage
rates
are
a
dollar
an
hour.
Our
meters
are
Monday,
I'm,
sorry
Monday
through
Saturday,
nine
to
nine
rates
for
on-street
parking
and
parking
ramps
are
set
to
encourage
our
long-term
Parkers
to
use
the
ramps
as
opposed
to
street
parking
and
use
those
for
daily
users
using
our
businesses
daily
rates
for
on-street
parking
range
anywhere
from
a
quarter
on
the
the
fringes
of
downtown
to
a
dollar
25
and
the
core.
D
E
D
Something
we
are
we're,
definitely
keeping
an
eye
on
and
especially
as
we
do
see,
more
more
hybrid
work
from
home
options.
I
think
there
is
a
correlation
between
parking
garage
usage
and
and
that
the
decline
related
to
that.
So
it
is
something
that
we're
monitoring
I.
We
don't
necessarily
have
a
business.
A
did
this
therefore
parking
garages
did
that
we.
D
D
F
To
follow
up
on
a
question-
and
this
is
more
towards
Scott,
what
what
is
our
plan
to
get
more
people
back
in
seats
and
back
in
the
offices
down
there,
because
what
what
I
just
had
I
haven't
seen
any
type
of
vision
or
anything
that
that
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
city
to
encourage
folks
to
come
back
downtown
to
do
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
to
to
help
with
some
of
the
the
issues
I
mean
parking's,
just
one
of
them.
Obviously,
but
there's
there's
going
there's.
B
Yeah
so
we
have
a
weekly
meeting,
Matt
Anderson,
deputy
and
a
city
manager,
myself
have
meetings
weekly
with
the
Des
Moines
partnership
and
obviously
we
have
conversations
with
business
owners
about
the
importance
to
get
more
employees
back
into
the
offices.
But
then
we
also
have
Place
making
opportunities,
you'll
notice,
pop-up
events
and
things
of
that
nature.
There
are
the
food
truck
launches
and
things
of
that
nature
that
that
try
and
entice
more
people
to
to
see
the
activities
going
on
downtown.
What.
B
And
so
of
the
of
the
2000
employees
that
the
the
city
hires
roughly
there's
about
10
percent
of
the
workforce
that
our
office
in
nature
work,
as
you
might
imagine,
were
different
than
an
insurance
or
finance
company,
and
that
we
have
police
fire,
our
Public,
Works
and
parks
that
that
need
to
be
on
site.
And
that
is
the
majority
of
our
Council.
B
Or
excuse
me,
the
majority
of
our
our
staff,
but
for
that
10
percent
that
are
office
related
and
have
an
opportunity
to
to
work
on
projects
that
allow
them
to
work
from
home.
And
that
analysis
is
done
by
HR
and
the
department
directors.
They
have
an
opportunity
to
do
an
alternative
work,
Arrangement
AWA.
G
E
Will
say
as
well
that,
like
I'm
not
opposed
to
hybrid
work
situations,
I
think
that
they
offer
a
lot
of
flexibility.
It's
just
a
situation
of
being
realistic
about
what
assets
we
have
in
parking
and
how
is
that
affected
by
the
new
style
of
work,
which
is
probably
going
to
be
with
us
for
the
rest
of
our
lifetimes?.
H
That
would
create
a
need
for
more
parking,
so
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
it
in
a
different
way,
based
on
the
numbers
I
sell,
especially
that
Park
and
Ride
I,
don't
know
if
the
number
is
recovered
or
have
been
that
strong
for
as
big
as
this
so
I
think
that's
overall
discussion.
We
should
have
on
parking.
F
Unfortunately,
we
had
an
unfortunate
situation
a
few
years
ago
that
most
of
you,
I
think
were
up
here
that
we
had
to.
We
had
to
buy
another
parking
garage
instead
of
having
the
Private
Industry.
Have
it
so
that
that's
that's
an
issue
that
but
yeah
no
I
agree
100.
We
should
be
out
of
the
parking
business
we
should
be
out
of
the
garage
business.
We've
said
it
for
eight
years
and
we
had
buy
another
one.
So
I
mean
that
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
make
these
numbers
look
any
better.
By
doing
that,.
B
I
D
As
I
mentioned
earlier
too,
that
this
is
the
map
of
Downtown
parking
I
apologize
if
this
is
kind
of
difficult
to
see,
but
the
the
gridded
area
you
see
is
where
we
have
the
additional
rate
after
5
PM.
The
blue
is
the
the
regular
dollar
25
an
hour,
and
then
you
have
some
additional
lower
cost
parking
in
the
origin
and
the
purple
as
well.
D
This
slide
is
showing
the
breakdown
between
garage
parking
and
on-street
revenue.
The
the
Blue
Line
you
see
is
the
garages
the
blue
bar,
the
Orange
is
our
on-street
parking
and
that
gray
bar
you
see
there
the
gray
line.
That's
the
percentage
of
on-street
parking
Revenue,
as
a
total
percent
of
that.
So
you
can
see
about
40
percent
of
our
revenue,
for
the
parking
system
is
coming
from
on-street
parking,
John
Davis
is
here
and
he'll.
D
We
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
Park
DSM
later,
but
we're
pretty
conservative
on
our
estimates
for
24
and
25
purposely.
Hopefully
we
do
see
that
that
percentage
increase
with
the
on-street
parking
with
the
complete
rollout
of
that
this
year,
but
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we're
conservative
and
not
too
aggressive
on
our
Revenue
component
related
to
the
parking
system.
D
This
this
chart
is
showing
again
the
last
chart
said
our
own
street
parking
revenue
is
about
40.
You
can
see
that
there
reflected
in
the
red,
and
then
this
is
the
breakdown
of
Revenue
by
garage
between
second
and
Grand.
Third
in
court,
fourth
and
Grand,
and
Ninth
and
Locust.
Those
are
all
within
a
percentage
of
each
other.
The
other
slides
talk
about
occupancy
rate.
This
is
talking
specifically
about
Revenue
per
garage.
So
that's
how
much
each
barrage
is
bringing
in
comparative
to
the
parking
system
as
a
whole.
F
D
D
These
are
the
expenditures
related
to
Park
and
Ride.
What
we're
attempting
to
show
on
this
slide
is
the
direct
operating
parking
fund.
Thank
you
same
parking
ride
too
much.
This
is
parking
fund.
The
the
blue
is
our
direct
operating
expenses.
The
red
other
is
our
Personnel
Commodities.
Those
sort
of
items
the
green
you
see
is
our
transfer
to
CIP
I
will
call
out
fiscal
year
22..
We
do
have
a
large
transfer
to
the
CIP.
J
D
This
is
a
breakdown
of
our
our
our
system
code
and
total
councilman
mandelbaum.
If
you
look
about
Midway
through
you
see
indirect
cost,
allocation
pilot
and
Roi
those
are
listed
there,
a
pilot
is
our
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
related
to
parking
and
all
our
Enterprises.
We
run
it
through
a
formula,
so
our
our
assets
that
are
not
taxable,
we
do
have
a
methodology
to
basically
reimburse
the
general
fund
for
some
of
those
costs.
D
Then
we
have
return
on
investment,
which
is
also
acknowledging
some
of
the
initial
general
fund
costs
related
to
our
parking
system
as
well.
Then
we
have
indirect
cost
allocation,
which
is
another
thing
that
we
use
it's
a
formula
based
calculation
that
allows
us
to
recoup
some
of
the
operating
costs
that
the
city
is
incurring
through
the
general
fund,
which
parking
is
using
some
of
our
our
general
fund
and
operational
dollars
to
cover
their
system,
so
those
are
all
calculated
there.
Other.
K
D
Of
note
on
this
slide,
you
can
see
fiscal
year
22
we
did
receive
3.5
million
dollars
of
arpa
funding
as
one
of
the
themes
of
this.
This
presentation
is
covid
really
hit
parking
hard
and
that
3.5
million
allows
us
to.
If
you
look
at
the
net
line
there
in
22
have
a
a
not
end
in
the
deficit.
You
can
see
the
beginning
fund
balance
and
ending
fund
balance
at
the
very
bottom.
D
There
of
note
you
can
see
in
2023
amended,
we
are
running
a
slight
deficit
of
about
850
000,
but
the
way
we've
budgeted
in
24
and
25
going
forward
again
very
conservatively
we're
anticipating,
basically
the
break,
even
in
24
and
starting
to
see
an
increase
in
our
revenues
and
or
our
net
operating
revenues
in
25
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
information
on
this
slide,
but
if
you
have
any
specific
questions,
please
let
me
know.
A
D
A
D
As
everyone's
aware,
we
have
moved
towards
a
new
parking
system
with
Park
DSM.
It's
replaces
our
existing
metered
parking
with
an
on-street
multi-space
multi-pay
stations
and
pay
over
pay
over
the
phone
that
started
in
2021
with
routine
maintenance.
We're
anticipating
this
to
be
completed
in
April
20th
three,
and
we
also
have
on
have
additional
electronic
charging
stations
that
were
installed
at
the
fourth
and
Grand
location
in
ninth
and
Locust
garage.
D
The
old
meters
again
have
been
replaced
through
the
multi-space
parking
kiosks
of
note.
We
do
have
a
really
high
rate
of
payments
through
the
app
at
about
60
percent.
28
is
credit
cards
at
the
kiosk,
and
the
remaining
12
is
coinage
at
the
kiosk.
So
there
are
multiple
ways
to
pay
and
I
think
we'll
see
increased
compliance
with
this
program
as
we
get
it
rolled
out
in
all
of
the
remainder
of
this
fiscal
year
and
into
next.
F
D
Improvements
and
Improvement
and
maintenance
we
do
use
our
Capital
fund
for
periodic
facility
condition
review.
Our
ongoing
maintenance
expenses
will
continue
to
rise
at
some
of
our
facilities
any
age.
We
have
moved
to
complete
automation
of
our
parking
ramps,
which
hopefully,
we
see
in
24
25
a
drop
in
some
of
our
overall
operating
costs,
as
we've
invested
in
automatic
Gates
and
no
longer
have
to
have
attendance
at
each
garage.
B
B
D
Of
note
on
on
this
slide
is
transfer
of
excess
fund
balance.
You
can
see.
317
000
in
2021
was
transferred
to
Dart
Des
Moines
Area
Rapid
Transit
for
basically
as
part
of
the
agreement
in
the
additional
fund.
Balance
of
2.5
million
gets
transferred
to
Dart
for
their
operations,
so
that
last
happened
in
2021
as
part
of
the
new
agreement.
Anything
above
the
95
Cent
Levy
rate
is
transferred
to
Dart
in
2023.
You
see
790
000
transferred
to
Dart
and
1.2
million
in
2024,
based
off
the
current
fund
balance.
D
B
Actually
I
can
take
a
stab
at
Nick
and
jump
in
as
well.
So
three
years
ago
there
was
a
new
funding
formula
established
by
Dart
that
would
require
the
city
of
Des
Moines
to
contribute
more
than
just
the
95
Cent
tax
rate
that
was
in
place,
and
that
was
around
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
the
first
year,
the
790
that
you
see
in
the
second
year,
which
is
the
Year
we're
in
now
and
then
the
third
and
final
year
in
commitment
of
1.2
million.
That's
coming
up
next
next
fall.
Okay,.
E
B
E
C
Yeah,
that
was
a
three-year
agreement.
The
above
the
95.
prior
to
that
we
had
I
want
to
say
three
years
where
the
agreement
that
we
had
with
with
dart
was
anything
over
the
total
dollar
amount
across
operations.
Ncip
was
over
2.5.
We
would
have
to
designate
that
that's
where,
in
the
past,
we
contributed
to
some
of
the
electric
buses
on
their
20
match,
as
well
as
some
additional
bus
stops
and
different
things
like
that.
B
F
J
J
The
question
is
going
to
be
how
we
value
Transit
as
as
a
body,
because
there
is
still
a
balance
in
the
park
and
ride
and
a
balance
that
has
to
be
used
towards
Transit.
So
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
discussion,
but
there's
gonna
need
to
be
a
discussion
about
what
happens
in
the
broader
sense,
with
funding
and
what
happens
with
Service.
J
At
the
commission's
budget
Workshop
there
was
there
were
a
couple
scenarios
service,
related
scenarios
that
were
presented
to
the
Commission
in
terms
of
what
that
looks
like
from
a
from
a
service
service
cut.
If
we
do
not
fill
the
budget
Gap
at
Dart
all
right
and
that
conversation
will
continue.
You
know
if
the
the
fiscal
year
that
we're
looking
at
is
not
the
year
that
that
that
all
hits
home
at
it's
next
year
in
the
following
year.
F
So
annually
we
give
Dart
right
now
through
property
tax
through
the
Des
Moines
residents,
eight
million
dollars
and
we're
giving
them
an
additional
halfway
into
to
almost
a
million
each
year.
So
we're
at
nine
nine
million.
Now
over
the
last
almost
three
years
that
we've
given
to
Dart
to
help
them
figure
out
their
service
and
funding.
I.
F
Just
want
to
clarify
so
the
residents
that
are
watching
at
home
how
much
money
Dart
has
been
giving
in
in
how
much
the
directors
came
here
for
the
last
eight
years,
and
we've
asked
her
how
we're
going
to?
How
are
we
going
to
fix
the
dart
issue
and
we've
got
nothing
other
than
they
changed
the
funding
issue
to
where,
when
it
first
started,
we
were
at
95
cents
when
we
got
there
and
then
all
of
all
the
other
communities
were
supposed
to
go
to
95
cents,
but
they
didn't
like
that.
F
Once
we
got
to
95
so
now,
they've
threatened
to
pull
out
of
it
and
they've
threatened
to
to
charge
us
more
or
do
other
things,
and
we
need
to
think
out
of
the
box
nine
million
dollars
for
our
residents.
We
should
be
able
to
provide
services
from
from
your
home
to
wherever
you
need
to
go
for
nine
million
dollars.
That's
a
lot
of
money
for
the
amount
of
ridership.
We
have.
F
So
we'll
we'll
continue,
I
know
that
that
doesn't
have
much
to
do,
but
when
I
see
Dart
in
there,
people
need
to
know
what
part
of
your
property
taxes
are
being
paid
is
Dart
and,
and
that
is
on
your
property
tax
roll
that
has
been
maxed
out
and
we've,
given
them
extra
money.
So
everyone
needs
to
know
that
very
clearly.
E
Do
I
want
to
apologize
for
interrupting
you,
because,
because
I
agree
with
what
you
said
that
it
should
be
Dart
should
be
able
to
take
you
from
where
you
are
to
where
you
need
to
go
like
that's
important
for
a
transit
system
and
I
I.
Do
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
as
well,
though,
that
the
95
Cent
Levy,
the
8
million,
that
Scott
was
talking
about
that's
the
property
tax,
but
then
additional
is
from
the
Enterprise
plot
and
crack.
So
it's
it's
not
taxed
it's
it's
the
part.
F
runs
a
day
and
they
have
the
capacity
to
do.
10
000
runs
a
day
and
so
to
pick
people
up
from
their
house
and
take
them
to
where
they
need
to
go
I'm.
Thinking
that
we
need
to
think
a
little
bit
more
out
of
the
box
than
having
people
walk
in
the
snow
and
do
what
they
need
to
do.
We
need
to
be
able
to
provide
them
a
good
service,
but
part
of
that
service.
We
need
to
think
out
of
the
box
because
giving
more
money
to
buses
that
aren't
always
I
would
say
full.
F
You
know,
maybe
just
run
them
in
the
peak
hours.
I,
don't
know
how
it
works.
I'm,
going
to
leave
that
up
to
our
Dart
representative,
that's
been
there
for
three
years
to
try
to
figure
this
out,
but
to
keep
giving
them
more
money
into
and
to
have
our
Levy
rate
increased
and
the
people
up
at
the
hill.
Talking
about
property
taxes.
That's
an
issue,
and
everyone
needs
to
know
that
that
is
part
of
the
issue
of
where
our
property
taxes
are
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
J
J
J
F
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
at
all
I'm
suggesting
when
you
better
look
out
of
the
box,
because
nine
million
dollars
of
my
constituents
money
going
to
not
not
a
whole
lot
of
percentage
or
riding
that
bus.
We
better
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
and
and
that's
not
taxing
or
charging
more
for
Dart
yeah
through
the
property
tax
levy.
J
J
L
A
I
L
L
I
Pay
correct:
we
have
transaction
fees
that
are
credit
card
fees
for
the
mobile
pay,
app,
there's
a
convenience
fee
of
25
cents
to
start
the
initial
session.
If
you
extend
that
there
is
no
additional
charge,
the
convenience
fee
or
the
transaction
fee
is
roughly
I
think
around
three
percent.
It
varies
we
had.
It
varies
for
each
credit
card,
but
roughly
it's
it's
three
percent.
H
I
C
C
C
C
When
we
look
at
the
total
budget
for
fiscal
year
2024,
you
can
see
that
the
majority
of
our
costs
within
the
sanitary
fund
is
WRA
costs
almost
at
50
of
our
budget.
Then
our
operational
on
our
operation
side
is
about
that
25
and
then
between
the
debt
transfer
to
CIP
for
our
projects,
as
well
as
pilot
and
Roi
make
up
the
other
50.
C
C
From
here
you
kind
of
get
a
history
of
some
of
the
expenses
going
back
from
19
through
our
recommended
24..
Some
of
the
things
to
note
is
the
debt.
There
is
a
very
large
number
in
that
fiscal
year,
2020,
as
well
as
a
slightly
bigger
in
2022.
Those
were
from
redeeming
debt
early
so
from
in
20,
so
we
had
paid
off
the
2012
Series
in
2020
and
then
the
2024
in
fiscal
year
22.
So
this
past
fiscal
year
that
we
were
I
had
just
completed.
C
C
If
you
look
at
our
operations
once
you
exclude
the
the
WRA
part,
it
kind
of
gives
you
a
a
true
depiction
on
our
operation
side
of
the
house
on
the
city
of
Des
Moines
itself
from
here
again.
56
is
on
employee
costs
and
then
kind
of
breaking
that
out
on
some
of
the
other
costs
of
the
billing
agency
fee,
which
those
are
the
costs
from
Des
Moines,
Water,
Works
being
included
in
the
water
bill,
and
then
our
equipment
maintenance,
repair
payment
to
contractors.
C
C
Going
into
our
CIP
funding,
so
this
kind
of
shows
the
different
components
of
funds
that
go
into
the
CIP
program
that
we
have.
As
you
can
see,
the
the
ongoing
investment
that
we
have
for
sanitary
is
the
sanitary
fund
operating
fund
itself.
We
also
have
five
million
of
arpa
that
got
allocated
to
the
sanitary
sewer
as
well
as
you
can
see
the
large
number
of
that
state
revolving
loan,
that
is,
for
those
separation
projects
that
should
be
being
completed
here
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
The.
C
C
C
This
actually
breaks
out
the
expenses
on
the
capital
project
side,
so
you
kind
of
see
what
those
funds
actually
go
towards.
From
from
this,
you
can
see
that
the
the
sewer
lining
and
the
the
trunks
who
are
those
ongoing
Investments
that
we
have
allocated
for
every
year
and
then
the
start
of
in
fiscal
year
27.
We
do
have
a
a
bumping
up
on
that
lining
costs
in
that
project.
N
C
C
G
A
C
As
as
we
kind
of
get
into
the
next
kind
of
slides,
the
the
ones
that
we're
going
to
be
separated
will
be
separated.
We
will
have
some
portions
of
the
city
that
will
continue
to
be
in
combined
sanitarian
and
storm,
but
ones
that
we
we
intended
to
separate
are
going
to
be
separated
with
these
projects.
It.
A
A
K
I'm
very
members
of
council
Jonathan,
Gayle
Public
Works
director.
The
answer
to
your
question
is:
is
yes
and
no?
We
were
required
to
do
enough
separations
to
eliminate
overflows.
So
there
is
not
a
problem
with
having
a
combined
sewer,
except
at
the
point
where
it
gets
full
when
it
rains
and
discharges
untreated
sewage
into
the
rivers.
So
the
separation
projects
were
designed
to
alleviate
pressure
inside
the
system
when
it
rains.
K
The
the
point
of
Federal
Regulation
is
to
eliminate
the
Overflow,
not
the
combined
sewers,
so
we
have
designed
the
storm
the
storm
sewers
to
eliminate
the
overflows.
So
we
have
presently
two
overflows
left
in
the
system
that
are
in
the
process
of
being
getting
enough
separation
and
storage
built
in
the
system
to
eliminate
those
overflows,
and
once
we're
done
we'll
be
completely
done
with
overflows
discharging
untreated
sewage
into
the
river.
A
Just
just
for
the
education
everybody
here
is
we
look
upstream
and
we
look
at
other
areas
of
the
state,
it's
my
understanding
and
was
in
the
past
that
usually
only
when
there
was
high
flows
and
what
they
used
to
look
at.
It
is
the
solution
to
pollution's
dilution,
and
so
it
was
so
low
because
of
the
high
flows
because
of
storm
events
or
melting
events
or
whatever
Upstream.
There
are
places
that
I
was
told.
You
know
they
discharged
directly
into
it.
A
Let's
say
from
some
plant
of
some
sort
which
will
go
unnamed,
but
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
them,
and
they
discharge
into
some
of
our
water
source
and
I
asked.
How
were
they
able
to
do
that
and
I
was
told
by
some
people
electeds
up
from
those
areas?
Well,
the
solution
to
pollution
is
dilution
with
it
really.
A
K
C
E
A
C
C
There's
a
very
large
component,
like
I,
said
when
we
were
first
starting
with
the
WRA.
This
is
the
wa
board
approved
CIP
projects
that
that
are
currently
moving
going
forward.
This
is
for
their
23
24
CIP,
with
that
you're,
seeing
the
conveyance,
as
well
as
the
treatment
projects
that
they
have,
the
total
of
which
you've
got
the
170
on
the
conveyance
and
then
the
365.
C
C
E
C
C
C
E
M
C
Excited
so
we'll
go
into
Solid
Waste,
they
provide
the
trash
yard,
waste
and
recyclable
collection
for
approximately
66
000
homes
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
They
also
operate
the
scrub
events
across
the
city.
They
are
also
some
dumpster
services
that
we
do
for
the
city
parks,
municipal
buildings,
WRA
and
fourplex
locations.
C
The
Staffing
is
49
full-time
positions,
there's
23
side,
loaders
and
12
front
loaders
within
the
fleet
that
they
have
for
solid
waste
foreign.
As
we
look
at
the
2024
budget
from
the
sources
of
funds.
Obviously,
the
84
is
the
solid
week
selections
of
what
we
build
then
there's
also
specifically
on
the
solid
wage
which
is
the
trash
and
then
the
yard
waste
is
13.
Those
are
the
two
larger
percentages
on
the
revenue
side
and
then,
from
the
use
of
fund
side.
We
do
have
35
on
the
employees.
C
F
Yeah
and
Nick-
and
you
probably
can't
answer
this,
but
with
the
yard
waste
can
we
just
have
some
clarity
and
maybe
Jonathan
can
help
there's
so
many
different
bags
that
are
sold
at
different
stores
that
you
don't
know
if
that
bag
you
need
a
sticker
or
if
this
bag,
you
don't
need
a
sticker.
How
can
we?
How
can
we
simplify
that
whole
process.
K
Foreign
I
don't
have
a
good
answer
for
it.
Unfortunately,
there
is
one
bag
that
is,
any
bag
can
be
used.
Any
paper
compostable
bag
can
be
used
to
dispose
of
yard
waste.
The
Metro
Waste
Authority
has
their
composted
branded
bags
that
take
the
place
of
the
bag
and
sticker.
So
if
you
use
a
generic
bag,
you
then
have
to
have
a
green
sticker
on
it.
F
K
K
The
the
our
yard
waste
cart
service
is
is
a
is
a
tremendous
value,
and
it's
it's
clear
that
that
you
can.
You
know
if
it
fits
and
ships,
but
the
the
the
stickers
and
the
bags
the
composted
bags
are,
are
available
for
sale
at
most
most
vendors
and
it
it
is
a
when
someone
elects
to
use
a
non-branded
bag.
It
usually
takes
just
one
Mist
to
pick
up
and
a
phone
call
to
our
to
our
customer
service
line
to
educate
that
resume.
What.
K
That
all
those
bags-
oh,
those,
are
I-
want
to
call
them.
The
the
waste
management
brand
is
Bagster
and
those
are
an
additional
bulk
collection
service
that
is
available
for
you.
If
you
buy
the
bag,
and
then
you
pay
a
you
know
so
25
or
35
dollars
for
the
bag,
and
then
you
pay
an
additional
tonnage
fee
for
whatever
gets
put
in
there
when
it
finally
gets.
K
F
J
C
Well,
we
have
for
our
fiscal
year.
23
rates
is
listed
in
this
table
right
now.
We
do
not
have
a
recommendation
for
an
increase
for
2024..
We
don't
anticipate
needing
one
at
this
time.
There's
a
couple
different
variables.
We
want
to
make
sure
and
we
think
we're
sitting
okay
currently
with
that,
some
of
the
different
things
that
we
are
looking
at
before
we
discuss
rates
is
I'll
get
on
on
the
summary
slide
on
that.
C
C
So,
from
total
revenue
side
on
on
the
solid
waste
you
can
see,
there
is
an
outlier
for
for
22,
fiscally
or
21,
which
is
Bomb
proceeds
which
were
used
towards
msc2
and
then
so
that
kind
of
threw
off
kind
of
a
uniqueness
in
that
particular.
The
rest
of
the
years
are
pretty
consistent
for
the
regular
boss
or
Revenue.
Sorry,
as
we
look
at
the
expenditure
side,
we
do
have
that
corresponding
transfer
of
bonds
into
the
CIP,
the
msc2
project
itself,
which
kind
of
threw
that
off.
C
C
After
that
fiscal
year,
2020
showing
the
DraStic
change
from
19
to
20..
We
are
approaching
the
vehicle
replacement
a
little
bit
differently,
and
this
is
on
that
slide.
You
can
kind
of
see
from
fiscal
year
15
on
it
was
kind
of
very
sporadic
on
when
we
were
purchasing
vehicles
and
how
we
were
accounting
for
it.
G
L
L
K
The
the
heavy
duty
vehicle
Market
is
has
always
worked
on
a
back
order
basis.
A
lot
of
the
they
won't
make
the
vehicle
until
you
order
it
and
lead
times
got
longer.
As
the
the
pandemic
kicked
off
and
they've
shortened
back
up
a
bit
by,
by
way
of
example,
the
the
electric
vehicle,
the
electric
garbage
truck,
will
be
here.
I
I
would
have
put
24
months
on
it,
but
we're
now
expecting
it
in
about
the
12
to
14,
month
time
rate
from
when
we
place
the
order.
K
K
Yeah
in
in
the
the
easiest
illustration
for
for
the
the
for,
for
the
benefit
of
of
putting
what's
been
seven
different
buildings
worth
of
people
into
one
space
is
that
for
the
first
time
in
probably
decades
the
public
works
department
is
housed
in
in
one
space,
except
for
the
the
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
staff
they're
still
housed
at
the
point
and
will
remain
there
by
necessity.
But
we
have
we
took
seven
different
buildings
and
put
them
into
one
place,
so
we
have
co-workers
that
have
never
actually
seen
each
other.
K
You
know
passing
in
the
break,
room
or
or
or
back
and
forth
in
the
mornings
that
have
never
never
coexisted
in
the
same
space.
So
having
a
chance
to
build
a
common
culture
in
inside
one
one.
One
underneath
one
roof
is
nice
operational
efficiencies.
The
easiest
illustration
is
is
actually
in
snow
plowing,
because
we
have
the
the
17
snow
plows
that
service
the
the
snow
routes
for
for
that
first
wave
of
snow
removal
yeah.
K
So
if
it
was
zero
degrees
outside
the
salt
was
zero
degrees,
salt
pools,
moisture
out
of
the
air,
and
you
can
get
that
salt
try
to
turn
back
into
solid
chunks.
It
will
freeze
and
that
would
require
someone
standing
on
the
back
pounding
it.
So
what
it's
got
us
is
is
room
temperature
salt
ready
to
go
so
the
truck
is
ready
to
go.
K
The
driver
does
their
inspection
and
they're
out
the
door
in
five
minutes
as
opposed
to
what
could
have
been
a
much
longer
pre-trip
and
Equipment
readying
process,
so
they're
they're
able
to
respond
to
to
the
winter
weather
events
with
salt
spreading
almost
immediately
after
after
activation,
they
come
in
check
in
get
their
assignment
head
out
to
the
truck.
Do
their
walk
around
and
they're
out
the
door
in
minutes
as
opposed
to
what
could
have
been
a
substantially
longer
period
of
time.
K
It
will
it
will
cool
off
pretty
quickly
once
you
put
it
down
and
the
the
kind
of
the
the
governing
temperature
is
the
Ambient
Air
Temperature
and
the
road
temperature.
Okay,
it
will
start
melting
faster
because
it
it
will
leave
the
building
at
room
temperature,
but
I.
Imagine
it
pretty
quickly
cools
off
to
whatever
the
outside
air
is
once
it
gets
going,
but
importantly,
it
stays
in
that
granular
state.
So
it
can
be
spread
almost
immediately
and
doesn't
require
manual
labor
to
break
it
up.
N
C
C
C
So
we
do
have
compliance
also
on
the
stormwater
side,
for
federal
and
state
laws,
and
on
that
flood
preventions.
We
do
have
mitigation
and
water
pollution
prevention,
as
well
as
the
planning,
design
and
construction
projects
and
then
also
the
public
education
piece
that
we
we
have
within
the
storm
water
utility.
C
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
we
do
have
the
storm
water
maintenance.
The
street
cleaning
is
another
22,
pop-up
stations
is
seven,
and
so
we
did
have
a
couple
couple
items
that
were
within
this
this
this
budget.
In
addition,
for
that,
generator
was
a
half
year
and
a
half
on
the
sewer
side,
and
then
an
additional
truck
on
this
side
was
added
as
well.
C
I
think
the
the
the
the
Assumption
there.
Obviously
that
was
before
my
time
here.
The
thought
that
I
extracted
out
of
the
information
I
could
find
would
be
the
street
cleaning
of
prevents
it
from
going
through
the
storm
water
system
that
we
have
the
storm
sewers
and
everything
like
that.
So
from
that
guys,
you're
you're
having
it
prevent
the
possible
damage
or
maintenance
that
would
have
to
relate
to
that.
G
C
As
we
look
at
the
recommended
budget
as
a
breakout
of
where
it
is
for
cost,
the
largest
percentage,
obviously
is
the
operation
costs,
but
then
the
the
next
one
would
be
debt.
We
do
have
Revenue
debt
on
the
stormwater
side,
for
for
some
of
the
projects
that
we
have
taken
on
and
and
then
anticipate
in
this
next
fiscal
year
as
well
for
issuance
and
then
the
next
biggest
component
is
the
transfer
to
CIP.
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
cash
going
into
the
cips
as
well.
C
As
we
look
at
the
cost
over
the
19
through
24,
some
of
the
things
to
note
as
a
larger
dollar
amount
is
the
other
charges.
The
the
fiscal
year
2019
was
right
after
the
flood,
and
so
there
was
that
the
council
had
had
discussed
that
9.5
transfer
for
for
purchasing
of
properties
back
then
from
the
2018
flood.
C
C
We
also
have
some
storm
stormwater
Revenue
debt
for
large
components
within
the
current
fiscal
year
that
we
already
issued
as
well
as
anticipate
another
issuance
in
2024..
The
storm
water
fund
is
the
transfer
from
operations
into
CIP.
The
transfer
end
is
coming
in
from
other
projects
that
the
project
costs
are
actually
in
kind
of
from
other
projects
going
into
the
storm
water
side,
so
you're
actually
seeing
it
from
some
of
the
other
cips
coming
into
this
project.
Nick.
C
N
N
N
N
K
C
H
C
H
A
K
E
K
E
A
Jonathan
the
flood
mitigation.
You
have
said
that
Levy
improvements
do
these
improvements
meet
both
FEMA
and
core
standards.
By
that
I
mean
FEMA
will
say:
oh
you're,
95
percent,
you
know
protected
so
you're
not
protected
because
you
missed
five.
The
corals
say:
oh
on
our
cost
benefit
analysis,
that's
only
at
five
percent,
so
you
don't
meet
standard
to
do
it,
which
has
been
one
of
the
huge
things
that
we've
had
to
battle
with
those
two
entities.
As
we
wanna
make
sure
we
meet
the
FEMA
standard
so
that
everybody
can
get
insured.
K
K
F
K
N
K
K
E
K
L
K
K
K
M
C
Okay,
I'll
get
into
the
summary,
then
so.
The
requirements
for
flood
protection
and
long-term
control
plan
separation
projects
our
system
for
your
drivers.
On
the
rate.
We
also
have
that
master
plan
that
that
should
be
completing
soon
and
from
what
we're
looking
at
operationally
and
what
we're
seeing
with
that.
The
anticipated
master
plan,
CMO
and
finance
are
proposing
only
a
one-year
increase
for
the
fiscal
year
2024.
C
That's
per
eru,
so
the
equivalent
yeah,
depending
on
yeah,
depending
on
how
much
impervious
surface
that
they
have
on
their
on
their
property,
and
this
also
gets
us
back
to
the
the
July.
So
we
have
both
the
sanitary
and
storm
being
rate
increase.
At
the
same
time,
we
switched
to
the
January,
which
kind
of
gets
I
think
it
gets
burdensome
on
the
administrative
side
on
our
side
as
well
as
Des
Moines.
E
C
E
C
It's
it's
the
existing
costs,
the
operating
cost,
as
well
as
the
anticipated.
What
we
might
have
to
do
for
additional.
If
we
do
decide
what
we
know
from
different
Investments,
we
will
have
to
have
a
corresponding.
If
we
do
any
more
additional
Revenue
debt,
we
will
have
to
have
a
corresponding
ratio
of
our
how
much
our
Revenue
generates
versus
our
expenses.
So
it's
anticipation
for
that.
Master
Plan.
Only.
N
D
All
right,
we
have
two
more
left,
so
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
excellent
questions.
I'll
be
covering
the
Housing
Services
program
budget
Housing
Services
consist
of
two
major
segments:
Section
8
and
public
housing.
Section
8
provides
the
Housing
Voucher
Program.
It
provides
rental
assistance
to
about
2,
800
individuals
and
families,
and
our
average
payment
per
per
family
is
about
505
dollars
per
month.
That's
all
determined
by
the
feds.
O
H
O
On
the
waiting
list,
I'd
have
to
look,
but
just
for
reference.
Portability
is
another
thing,
so
you
could
have
someone
living
on
Section
8
assistance
anywhere
in
the
country,
and
we
get
maybe
10
a
month
that
Port
into
Des
Moines.
We
also
get
some
that
Port
out
going
the
same
way.
I'm,
not
sure
that
number
but
I
know
the
point.
Probably
around
10..
That's.
H
E
D
This
is
what
the
budget
looks
like
for.
Housing
is
about,
24
I,
believe
24.2
million.
The
vast
majority
of
those
payments
are
housing,
assistance,
payments
to
to
Residents
or
users
of
the
Section
8
program,
other
costs
in
central
office,
public
housing
and
Section
8
are
Personnel
Commodities
those
sort
of
costs.
D
Well,
this
slide
shows
again
the
the
two
major
pillars
of
the
program:
public
housing.
In
section
eight,
you
can
see
revenues
on
the
right
in
green
and
expenses
on
the
left
in
multi-color
public
housing.
We
did
have
a
short
we're,
anticipating
a
shortfall
of
Thirteen
thousand
dollars
in
2024
in
Prior
years.
It
has
been
more
than
that
and
then
any
shortfall
is
is
backed
by
the
general
fund.
D
So
in
our
budget,
you'll
see
a
transfer
of
about
thirteen
thousand
dollars
from
our
our
general
fund
to
to
help
with
the
public
housing
operation,
so
I
think
in
a
later
slide,
we'll
see
how
high
that
number
had
been
in
recent
years.
So
it's
good
to
see
it.
Only
at
thirteen
thousand
I
mean
then
also
good
news
with
Section
8
is.
We
are
not
anticipating
a
shortfall.
We
did
have
an
agreement
with
some
of
the
Suburban
communities
to
help
us
should
we
have
a
shortfall
since
we
are
administering
the
program
County
positively.
D
D
Overall,
it's
like
20
I,
want
to
say:
24
million
I
have
to
pull
the
budget
document,
but
I
wouldn't
say
24-2.
That
number
stands
out,
24.2,
yep
and
70
of
that
would
be
the
the
housing
assistance
payments.
So
this
this
would
be
the
remainder.
There
might
be
a
little
bit
in
in
central
office.
That'd
be
administrative
staff,
but
but
we
talk
about
the
programs
themselves.
This
is
just
the
slides
isolating
those
two
specific
programs.
D
D
D
for
2023
at
the
adopted
budget.
When
we
presented
this
last
year,
we
were
anticipating
a
short
call
about
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars
through
the
budget
process.
We've
tweaked
that
number
just
slightly
for
a
anticipated
transfer
from
the
general
fund
to
to
Housing
Services
of
a
hundred
and
six
thousand
dollars,
and
then
there's
that
thirteen
thousand
dollars
in
the
24
recommended
budget
of
the
shortfall
going
to
house.
D
This
slide
covers
more
of
the
information
in
detail
again
we're
splitting
out
public
housing
and
Section
8.
Here
as
well
of
note
at
the
very
bottom,
you
can
see
Section
8
local
government
other
support.
We
have
not
had
to
use
that
in
in
the
past
few
years
and
also
again
the
bottom.
You
see
our
deficit
numbers
reflected
there.
So
we
did.
We
did
have
a
slight
Surplus
in
2022
and
we're
anticipating,
like
I
mentioned
earlier
deficit,
slight
deficit
in
24.
D
D
This
next
slide
shows
the
proration
of
of
Hud
revenues.
This
has
been
an
ongoing
challenge
for
for
Chris
and
his
staff.
Just
the
the
way
that
the
federal
programs
are
structured
is
they
are
not
100
fully
funded.
We
have
seen
a
little
increase
in
public
housing
where
we're
getting
close
to
that
100,
but
it's
been
an
ongoing
challenge
when
the
federal
government's
not
providing
the
resources
needed
to
properly
administer
the
program.
So
we're
still
seeing
that
that
84
proration.
D
D
Our
staffing
has
been
pretty
consistent
throughout
the
past
few
years
and
we're
not
anticipating
a
change
in
24,
37
or
35
ftes
of
central
offices,
your
admin
staff
and
then
caseworkers
a
whole
bunch
of
different
specific
duties
related
to
Section
8
public
housing
in
those
areas,
public
housing
does
have
staff
related
to
the
repair
and
maintenance
of
the
manners
as
well
challenges
and
opportunities.
I
can
defer
to
Chris
on
specifics
of
this,
but
Federal
funding
remains
an
unknown
changes
with
royal
royal
View
Manor
and
the
demonstration
program
going
on
there.
D
We
continue
to
work
through
our
disposition
program
and
selling
our
scattered
sites,
we're
also
implementing
the
mainstream
and
emergency
housing,
voucher
programs
and
then
the
Section
8
component.
The
agreement
that
we
have
with
the
Suburban
communities
is
expiring
or
has
expired,
so
we'll
we'll
want
to
go
forward
and
see.
If
we
want
to
renew
that
again,
it
has,
we
haven't
had
to
utilize
it
other
than
maybe
I
think
the
first
year
of
the
three-year
agreement,
but
current.
If
we
do
want
to
do
that,
that
provides
us
some
support.
O
For
the
mainstream
and
emergency
housing,
voucher
programs,
both
of
those
were
Grant
applications
that
we
had
request
so
for
mainstream.
We
did
receive
50,
58
vouchers
initially
and
then,
within
about
six
months,
they
sent
us
another
20.,
so
we
did
receive
78
total
there.
Emergency
housing
vouchers
was
another
green
application
that
we
did
that
we
did
apply
for
and
we
received
120.
O
Specifically
for
for
homeless
individuals,
each
of
these,
the
the
one
area
they
are
unique,
is
that
it
is
tied
to
the
Continuum
of
Care.
So
we
are
required
to
accept
the
applications
are
received
through
centralized
intake
the
folk
County
Consumer
Care,
so
the
Primary
Health
Care
receives
the
applications
once
the
applications
are
received
and
they
do
send
them
to
our
staff.
We
work
with
them
specifically
on
the
housing
assistance.
Okay,.
E
L
O
O
O
O
O
So
13
out
of
the
34,
we
should
be
getting
an
answer
from
HUD
the
next
next
60
days,
hopefully
with
a
sale
for
Habitat,
so
that
will
come
right
back
in
front
of
the
governing
board.
An
additional
14
units
are
going
through
a
home
ownership
program.
So
that's
where
the
housing
agency
will
will
work
with
the
current
public
housing
resident
to
acquire
the
public
housing
resident
from
the
housing
agency.
So
out
of
those
14
units,
there's
five
or
six
of
our
current
residents
are
ready
to
go.
O
The
additional
residents
were
working
through
homebuyer
education
classes,
some
credit
counseling,
so
those
those
remaining
families
are
a
little
bit
long,
a
little
bit
longer
term
to
sell
those.
That
is
a
plan
that
HUD
has
to
approve.
So
hopefully
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
That
plan
will
be
coming
forward
to
the
governing
board
for
approval.
Then
that
gets
submitted
to
Hyde
and
then
HUD
eventually
will
approve
that
plan.
O
We
could
start
so
that
remains
I
think
there
will
be
seven
remaining
single
family
units
that
we
are
currently
working
with
the
residents
on
and
that's
kind
of
more.
We
want
when
we
first
started
this.
We
did
not
want
to.
We
wanted
to
work
with
the
families
if
some
were
willing
to
take
Section
8
and
go
on
to
that
program.
We've
been
able
to
do
that
if
they're
looking
for
Home
Ownership,
we've
been
able
to
do
that.
O
Will
I
be
able
to
identify
a
partner
to
work
with
to
redevelop
a
royal
View
Manor
Royalview
Manor
will
become
a
project-based
Section,
8
property,
so,
instead
of
being
public
housing,
we'll
have
200
units
of
project-based
Section
8
assistance
in
the
in
the
property,
and
it
will
be
owned
and
managed
by
another
entity.
The
housing
agency
will
retain
a
a
land
lease,
so
we
will
ultimately
have
control
over
the
property,
and
this
is
in
perpetuity.
O
E
O
One
thing
to
note
that
I
should
say
that
this
isn't
going
to
answer
your
question
or
satisfy
it,
but
but
I
know,
but
each
of
the
public
housing
units
that
we
do
sell.
We
do
get
a
Section
8
voucher,
so
the
total
number
of
families
that
we
do
able
to
provide
assistance
to
in
our
community
remains
constant.
E
C
Last
topic:
Smith's
self-supporting,
Municipal,
Improvement
districts,
that's
kind
of
an
overview
to
try
to
discuss
kind
of
what
Smiths
are.
It
is
an
area
subject
to
additional
tax
that
the
property
owners
have
agreed
to
want
to
do
that
for
additional
services
or
maintenance
in
that
area.
This
man
must
be
prized
of
only
properties
that
are
zoned
for
commercial
industrial,
the
only
Residential
Properties
that
can
be
do
that
or
are
those
hysterical,
historical
districts
that
would
be
on
the
Residential
Properties
within
the
Smiths
and
the
co.
E
M
C
C
F
Districts
and
just
typically
and
I
I've
got
to
say
it
because
you
know
I
was
part
of
getting
the
Smith
implemented
on
the
Southwest
ninth
corridor.
There's
been
zero
changes
on
Southwest
9th
there's
been
no
money
from
City
money
invested
in
Southwest.
Ninth,
we
have
more
boarded
up
buildings
now
than
we
had
in
2016
when
we
was
trying
to
do
a
revitalization,
so
we
have
property
owner
owners
paying
additional
Revenue
on
the
Southwest
night
Corridor
for
nothing
that
goes
into
our
general
fund.
F
C
The
Southwest,
ninth
and
we'll
get
into
the
way
that
they're,
because
some
of
them
are
internally
managed,
and
some
of
them
are
externally
managed.
There's
four
to
three
split
on
that.
We'll
get
into
that
explanation.
But
I
can't
remember
off
top
my
head,
which
one
Southwest
ninth
is
I,
want
to
say:
I,
think
they
are
one
where
they're
passed
through
so
it
comes
in
and
we.
C
F
But
as
I
look
at
all
these
other
Smiths
there's
been
City
investment
in
infrastructure,
on
those
corridors
and
in
those
areas
every
single
one
of
them
you
can.
You
can
look
at
them.
You
can
see
over
the
years.
You
know
this
thing's
going
to
run
out
in
2027
and
we
haven't
even
invested
one
single
that
that
road
is
has
probably
the
worst
potholes
that
you
can
see
throughout
the
entire
city
and
we
have
zero
in
the
budget
for
any
type
of
improvement
other
than
a
study
from
Dart
way
to
McKinley.
F
So
those
are
topics
that
Scott
and
I,
but
others
need
to
be
aware
of,
and
and
my
council
member
to
to
my
right,
we
share
of
Southwest,
ninth,
Corridor
and
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
we
can
work
out
something
to
where
there
there
needs
to
be
I
mean
we've
had
multiple
people
die
on
that
road
there
there
needs
to
be
some
improvements
to
the
road
that
there
needs
to
be
infrastructure,
improvements
from
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
and
so
I'll
I'll
end
it
that
I'll.
Let
you
continue.
F
No
I
know
okay
and
I,
but
I've
been
saying
it
and
there's
nothing,
there's
very
few
dollars,
but
we
do
have
you
know
eight
million
dollars
in
there
to
change
Grand
and
Locust
over
the
next
four
years.
That
I
don't
think
any
of
the
businesses
want.
But
we
do
have
eight
million
dollars
in
there
to
do
that
over
the
next
three
to
four
years
to
make
it
two-way
that
I,
don't
think
any
of
the
businesses
want
that
down
there.
H
F
But
we
have
no
really
increase
in
value
on
Southwest.
9Th
is
my
point
to
where
the
Smith
hasn't
grown
any
so
there
hasn't
been
many
improvements.
Part
of
that
is
because
we
haven't
put
any
infrastructure
improvements
in
there
also
to
tie
to
tie
up,
because
this
is
going
to
run
out
in
2027.
and
if
I
had
a
business
on
Southwest
9th
I'd
be
like
I'm
not
signing
back
up
for
this.
You
did
nothing.
F
F
Then
we've
had
ever
in
my
memory
and
nobody
seems
to
want
to
do
anything
about
it
other
than
let
them
sit
there
and
be
boarded
up,
and
we
have
a
vacant
registry
now,
but
I
can't
get
any
answers.
I
can't
get
anybody
to
to
react.
We've
got
a
we've
got
a
commercial
building,
that's
probably
been
empty
for
six
years
down
there,
an
old
McDonald's
that
every
window
is
busted
out
and
there's
it's
all
boarded
up
probably
longer.
C
As
we
go
through
the
budgeting
process
for
Smith's,
the
the
four
that
we
have
internally
are
that
Beaverdale
Highland
Roosevelt
and
German
Hill,
where
there's
not
an
audit
requirement
needed
because
they
submit
documentation
for
items
to
get
paid
for
them
to
get
paid
back
from
from
our
account.
The
other
three
which
is
downtown
Ingersoll
and
Southwest
9th
are
ones
where
it
is
more
of
a
pass-through.
So
we
actually
send
money
to
them
and
then
there's
an
audit
requirement
done
because
they
facilitate
their
paying
the
expenditures
on
their
side.
N
Sorry
when
they
have
when
the
Schmid
folks,
when
the
Schmid
board
says
we're
going
to
have
our
board
meeting,
how
are
the
Schmid
participants
notified?
Does
that
from
the
city
or
is
it
up
to
the
Schmidt
board
to
have
all
of
that
conversation
with
their
fellow
people,
because
I've
heard
some
people
say,
I
didn't
even
know.
I
was
in
a
Schmidt
and
so
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
C
That's
usually
within
kind
of
their
staff's
review
on
the
assistance
that
they
have
from
our
side.
Jay
Carlson
is
the
one
that
works
on
the
financial
side
to
look
at
what
we're
sitting
with
on
the
ins
and
outs
and
what
we
anticipate
for
growth
and
stuff
like
that,
so
we
will
always
have
somebody
assigned
to
it,
because
it's
just
a
part
of
our
our
budget.
C
C
These
are
the
activities
through
what
we
anticipate
for
fiscal
year
2024,
as
you
can
kind
of
see
the
items
that
are
kind
of
a
concern
with
kind
of
some
of
the
negatives
that
we're
seeing
with
Beaverdale,
so
we're
kind
of
communicating
with
them
that
their
their
expenses
have
outpaced
their
revenues
and
kind
of
trying
to
figure
out
where
they're
going
to
go
from
that
standpoint
and
then
also
Sherman
Hill.
They
have
a
large
amount
of
fund
balance
and
their
anticipation
is
to.
C
As
we
go
into
the
three
that
are
Opera
kind
of
operated
out
separately,
whereas
we're
more
of
a
pass
through
is
what
comes
in
and
then
we
end
up
sending
the
information
out
they
process
their
own
payment,
their
accounts
payable
accounts,
receivable
their
type
of
activity.
That's
the
downtown
Ingersoll
Southwest
night.
C
We
do
have
a
balance
in
with,
like
the
Ingersoll
grand
for
an
agreement
that
we
have
with
them,
that
we
have
a
certain
percentage
of
their
maintenance
costs
that
we
maintain
if
they
have
to
step
away.
We
would
have
that.
That's
part
of
the
agreement
that
we
have
at
this
mid.
The
rest
of
it
then
goes
out
through
the
process
of
kind
of
application
of
abatement
and
some
some
different
of
the
payments.
C
C
F
F
M
C
C
As
we
look
at
Ingersoll
Grand,
this
particular
area
is
showing
a
net
loss.
That's
current
say,
like
I,
said
part
of
that
was
the
some
of
the
valuation
not
being
abated
application
being
corrected
and
also
kind
of
what
they
have
on
the
expensive
side.
So
there
is
some
of
the
discussion
that
they
are
going
to
have
exploring
the
their
administrative
costs
going
being
shared
between
the
501c3
that
they
have
versus
the
Smith,
and
so
that
you
might
see
this
in
future
years,
changing
on
on
their
cost
structure,
going
forward.